Weekly Shonen Jump [2010] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

[Kaiten]

I would rather an anime for Sket; drama can be good but there can be a lot of over acting too. They are a lot more popular than anime, it would be good for Sket.

[Xadyu]

I would watch either one, although I would like an anime more.

I'm not a fan of Japanese comedy-drama's, because of the over-acting and such.

[saladesu]

If Light Wing is that low even before it's official rankings, then I hope it ends up as the sacrificial lamb for Psyren to survive >< Not particularly looking forward to the next round of cancellations at this rate.

One Piece and Naruto are more or less a given in the top 5, but yay for Bakuman and Beelze \o/ I can't wait to see Enigma's actual rankings in a few weeks time. And color pages from the Usuta couple? That's sweet <3

Depending on who gets cast, Sket's drama could be really popular. Just throw in a couple of Johnny's or other big name actors/actresses and you have more or less the right formula.

EDIT: It's an anime for Sket after all, coming in spring next year. So the TOC posted by kewl0210 is most likely inaccurate.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2u61gsm.jpg (http://i53.tinypic.com/21myhkh.jpg)
Source: 2ch

[Negative Syndicate]

So Sket Dance is getting anime not drama. Then, maybe that ToC possibly wrong.

[Rejuvenation]

Ah I won't complain if its a wrong ToC. I'm excited that it turned out to be an anime after all. Its well deserved and long overdue.

[Kaiten]

I had expected it last year, honestly. Looking back at how precarious a position it was in during it's first year it is nice that Sket is now an award winning manga with an upcoming anime. Well deserved.

[kewl0210]

K, so at least that in regards to that TOC is wrong, so we'll see if ohana puts one up later, that'll be the real one. It's also possible that the Drama/Anime thing was the only mistake.

[ZoddGuts]

Good to see Sket Dance getting an anime. :dancin

They have more than enough for a 2 season, 52 ep series without having to put any fillers. Maybe I'll be a long running series like Gintama.

[kewl0210]

Ok, so this one I know is real because the same guy who posted it also posted this pic from the cover:
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/8541/coverbwf.jpg (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/coverbwf.jpg/)

It's got the picture of the guy from Light Walker, a picture of the next Jump SQ cover, and also clearly that's the Sket Dance guys in the back with a TV remote, so that's at least real.

Was a person called "Himajin the 7th"
七代目暇人 ◆nFjqPyHaQF84


スケット（表紙＋巻頭）
ぬるぽ
わんぴ
とりこ
りぼん
こち亀（C）
べるぜ
えにぐま
Moon　Walker（波動球読みきり）
LIGHT羽
バクマン
いぬまる
金玉
ぬるり
黒子
めだか
保健室（C）
逢魔
サイレン
SWOT

48号　鰤（巻頭C）　りぼん・ポー（うすた京介）（C）

Sket Dance (Cover and Opening Color)
Naruto
One Piece
Toriko
Reborn
Kochikame (Center Color)
Beelzebub
Enigma
Moon Walker LTD (Takeshi Konomi One-Shot, Color)
Light Wing
Bakuman
Inumaru Dashi
Gintama
Nurarihyon no Mago
Kuroko no Basuke
Medaka Box
Hokenshitsu no Shinigami (Center Color)
Oumagadoki Doubutsuen
Psyren
SWOT

BLEACH (Absent)

Issue 48 Opening Color: Bleach
Color Pages: Reborn and Boh (Usuata One-Shot).

So... similar. I'm pretty sure this one is right, anyhow. I guess Light Wing's less dead in this one.

[R4n]

ahahah, so the last ToC is confirmed to be fake then? I am slightly disappointed KHR is not going to have a cover and Sket Dance is not going to get a dorama. But never mind! ^^;;

So, we are going to another color page for KHR next week? i am happy but i wonder why it has tons of CPs lately...

[saladesu]

Ohana posted a slightly different TOC in the Naruto netabare thread. The only actual difference is that Moon Walker one shot is higher, right after Sket, though :/ Everything else is the same.

Oh and the spine was the Bleach arrancars Stark and Lilinette, and a small Shiufon (? maybe s/he meant Soifon) and the okama Yumichika fought.

162 ： ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2010/10/20(水) 16:38:47 ID:32A8CULtP

ジャンプ表紙、巻頭　ＳＫＥＴ　アニメ化決定

ＳＫＥＴ
ＭＯＯＮ　ＷＡＬＫＥＲ
ナルト
ワンピ
トリコ
リボーン
こち亀
べるぜ
エグニマ
ライトニング
バクマン
いぬ
銀魂
ぬらり
めだか
保健室
動物園
サイレン
ＳＷＯＴ

背表紙　ブリーチ　スターク　リリネット
小さいくシウフォン　あと、ユミチカが戦ったオカマの人

[some guy]

Two color chapters right after one another? That doesn't look quite right, nor does the fact that the Super Legends installment is so high.

And dammit, rise Oumagadoki!

[saladesu]

Yeah, I found the successive-series-with-color-pages thing a little suspect, but Ohana is usually accurate so I just posted it for good measure.

Oh and Naruto is on break next week. Looks like the big 3 are taking turns to go on break :/

About OP, just wondering, how does Jump rank a chapter after a series has gone on break? Like this week we have OP 601, but does its TOC rank this week reflect the ranking of 593, 8 chapters ago, or does it take into account the 4 week break and reflect the rank of 597, which was 8 weeks ago?

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Its 8 weeks ago. That's why series that debut before double issues (such as December debuts) will get ranked with less than 8 chapters.

[Drmke]

Now that's more like it. Sket with the cover and Light Wing not an instant bomb? My tears have tried (for now).

[Mr. Prince]

Well, just when I wanted to whine about Oumaga's position I saw the following posting by ruma who is one of the main spoiler providers in the JUMP ToC thread on 2ch:

46 ：69るま ◆KENseIuXK2 ：2010/10/20(水) 16:44:55 ID:8nsPisiV0
再来週カラー
鰤巻頭
りぼんＣ
ポーＣ

動物園と保健が大増23Ｐ
Preview for next issue:
Opening Color for Bleach
Color Pages for Reborn! and Poh
AND(!) page increasement for Oumagadoki Doubutsuen & Hokenshitsu no Shinigami (23 pages) :dancin

[StrangerAtaru]

Honestly it's all a mess to me but...hey, the Sket anime is long overdue. I guess it just had to show off success in the ranks alongside the accolades before the go-ahead was given. I just wonder though which studio will end up doing it...

[SSJWill4]

Yeah, I found the successive-series-with-color-pages thing a little suspect, but Ohana is usually accurate so I just posted it for good measure.

Oh and Naruto is on break next week. Looks like the big 3 are taking turns to go on break :/

About OP, just wondering, how does Jump rank a chapter after a series has gone on break? Like this week we have OP 601, but does its TOC rank this week reflect the ranking of 593, 8 chapters ago, or does it take into account the 4 week break and reflect the rank of 597, which was 8 weeks ago?


Its 8 weeks ago. That's why series that debut before double issues (such as December debuts) will get ranked with less than 8 chapters.

I don't agree with that theory for one main reason, if you go by weeks instead of chapters then there will inevitably be unranked chapters periodically for all series due to the week gaps that are caused by double issues. For a recent example, Neko Wappa! debuted in Issue 50 and Kanata Seven in Issue 51. I also believe ranking is based on inclusive counting instead of exclusive, so 8 chapters for Nekko Wappa! would be Issue 5-6 due to 53 issues in '09 and 3-4 and 5-6 being double issues, and Kanata Seven would be Issue 7. Nekko Wappa! was placed in the bottom 5 starting in Issue 5-6 and Kanata Seven was placed in the bottom 5 starting in Issue 7, which would have been chapter 8 for both series.

[Rejuvenation]

I'm glad that Sket got the cover too. First time in over 3 years which was its debut.

Toriko is still top 3 so thats great. Medaka is lower but not in the worst of positions.

The bottom 2 remain unchanged which is unsurprising.

[Asarii]

....Excuse me as I grab a tissue. *sniff* It's been so long and finally SKET DANCE gets an anime it deserves.

Nurarihyon is just scraping past the bottom 5 so hopefully it'll move back up next week.


So, we are going to another color page for KHR next week? i am happy but i wonder why it has tons of CPs lately...
One of the vice-editors for JUMP (Aita Souichi) was the first editor of KHR. Perhaps it's bias? I'm pretty sure I watched a JUMP Bang episode where it stated that the vice-editor is in charge of ranking. I'm assuming they give out colour pages as well. XD Not that I'm complaining though!

[Kaiten]

....Excuse me as I grab a tissue. *sniff* It's been so long and finally SKET DANCE gets an anime it deserves.

Nurarihyon is just scraping past the bottom 5 so hopefully it'll move back up next week.

The news finally motivated me to catch up with scanlations. First exciting Jump news in a while IMO. Not enthusiastic about low ranked Mago either. Unless the new chapters have been bad. I'm a few volume back on that one too :darn

[skypiea]

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http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz181/skypiea/w_jump0579_h.jpg

http://blog-imgs-42-origin.fc2.com/u/r/i/urisuretokauwasatoka/14xqy7-1-03ca.jpg

[Asarii]

That's an awesome cover. It's fun, colourful and bright like what the series is. :)


The news finally motivated me to catch up with scanlations. First exciting Jump news in a while IMO. Not enthusiastic about low ranked Mago either. Unless the new chapters have been bad. I'm a few volume back on that one too :darn
Go, go, go! I've been following the RAWs so I'm a little bit ahead of the scanlations. The most hilarious arc starts at 132. It'll take a while to get there though. :sweatbunny

I've been behind on Nurarihyon as well, but I'm assuming it's the long battle at the moment?

[Kaiten]

Last Mago chapter I read was 108, I have no idea what's going ^^;

Might be a while before I can read the rest of Sket, there's been two chapters scanlated in two months. I'm looking forward to reading what I can though, I need a change of pace from really intense series. I love this weeks cover, thought I'd mention that while I'm on the subject.

Keeping series like Sket in mind, it really bothers me that there is so little variety in Jump right now. There is so little romance, harem, sports, slice of life, and comedy. It's like most of the core genres of shonen have been purged in favor of action. There's some variety, but so little compared to Sunday and Magazine.

[Kizo]

I agree that Jump could use more variety, but I think Sunday and Magazine face somewhat of the exact opposite problem: Too much variety. Whether or not Jump could stand to have a romantic comedy or another sports series, it has a clear identity; Sunday and Magazine, while both very enjoyable, don't have much of an identity anymore (especially Sunday). When looking at sales of the three magazines, it's easy to say "of course Jump sells more, it has One Piece and Naruto," which is entirely true, but that's not the full advantage Jump has over the rest. The entire Jump lineup is thematically consistent, even including alternative series like Bakuman. The current Magazine and Sunday lineups are all over the place, and while they have some notably successful series (Ippo, Conan, Kekkaishi, Fairy Tail, etc.), those series are obviously not enough to carry their respective magazines in the same way that One Piece and Naruto are praised for doing. Like I said, I agree that Jump could stand to include something a little different, but I can't blame them whatsoever for the way they're running their magazine, because it's obviously working.

I'm incredibly excited about the Sket Dance anime. A drama would have been nice as well, but an anime is more easily accessible for casual fans in America, which will hopefully raise the profile of the series overall.

[Rejuvenation]

Keeping series like Sket in mind, it really bothers me that there is so little variety in Jump right now. There is so little romance, harem, sports, slice of life, and comedy. It's like most of the core genres of shonen have been purged in favor of action. There's some variety, but so little compared to Sunday and Magazine.

At this point, its entirely the Jump readership's fault. I mean, its not like WSJ's editors haven't tried to add in other genres. 2010 is a big example imo because the only "action" manga I can even recall being serialized this year was Metallica which ripped off half a dozen successful Jump manga that came before it.

Yotsuya, Oumagadoki, Shikku, Kanata Seven Change, Enigma etc at least came off as not being dragonball and YYH descendants from what I heard. So from how things appear to be developing Jump has almost a monopoly in the weekly action department while Sunday and Magazine appear more free to explore the other avenues.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Mago's still good, but the current arc's starting to drag a little so I'm guessing that's the issue.

[saladesu]

Agreed on Mago. It's been non-stop battling but the new plot developments as of the latest few chapters will hopefully push it up some ;) Besides this arc looks set to end pretty soon judging from the end of 128.

[Akiyama]

2010 - Summer - NuraMago
2010 - Fall - Bakuman
2011 - Winter(January) - Beelzebub
2011 - Spring - Sket Dance

Jump, please continue to have quarterly releases of current series. The Summer of 2011 needs to have Toriko, the OVAs aren't enough for me. Meanwhile everyone send encouraging PMs to cookie_on_fire for more Sket Dance translations.

[Xadyu]

Well, Toriko's getting a movie in 2011, I don't see an anime coming then too. Bet there'll be one in 2012 tho'. They just have to do it!

They should release the un-animated Reborn stuff as OVA's, specials or smaller anime's too. That'll be great, better quality and stuff.. probably.

[kewl0210]

Well Toriko they seem to want to have it replace one of the big 3 once one ends. Probably Naruto first, which Kishimoto said was "headed for the end". It's just a matter of having the last few enemies get killed before they have to fight Madara and he does his super eye-hax.
Toriko's got more popularity or close popularity to series which already have animes, selling over 200,000 copies of each volume. And since it's got OVAs and now a Movie clearly it's something that "can become an anime". They're just promoting it and stuff first. So it might get an anime later on because they know it'll run long.

After what, what do you think? Maybe Psyren will get the Black Cat treatment and they'll speed through the plot even faster than the manga does, making people hate it even more by the end.

Or Kuroko will get an anime, and no one will notice.

Or uh... what else is there... Medaka box? No that's not gonna happen. Maybe Inumaru.
Unless Jump's going for a "let's have an anime for virtually everything running in the magazine".

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Or uh... what else is there... Medaka box? No that's not gonna happen. Maybe Inumaru.
Unless Jump's going for a "let's have an anime for virtually everything running in the magazine".

Not to be rude but your crazy if you think Inumaru is getting an anime before Medaka Box. Why wouldn't Medaka Box get one? It sells really well. Maybe not anytime soon, but I bet it will be announced by the end of 2011 at least.

[Xadyu]

I'd love for Psyren to get an anime, but I guess that they won't do a good job on it. I don't know how the manga is/was doing sales-wise, but ToC-wise it kinda sucked. So I don't think the anime'll be great. 52-eps and everything on a mediocre level would be the deal.

I don't see Medaka getting an anime, sure, it sells, but that's not the reason WSJ is keeping the manga in the magazine.

I'd love a Kuroko-anime, but I don't see that happening either, it's only in the magazine to keep filling that sports-spot. When they finally let another sports stay in the magazine, and it has a great/good ranking in the beginning.. Kuroko's gone. Don't see them spending any money in it, besides the usual colorpages to try and keep the manga in the eyes of the readers.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I'd love a Kuroko-anime, but I don't see that happening either, it's only in the magazine to keep filling that sports-spot. When they finally let another sports stay in the magazine, and it has a great/good ranking in the beginning.. Kuroko's gone. Don't see them spending any money in it, besides the usual colorpages to try and keep the manga in the eyes of the readers.

Kuroko has great sales. It sells better than Beelzebub and is pretty close to Toriko. There's no way it goes away just because another sports series comes along, and I think there's a pretty strong chance that it gets an anime next year.

[Rejuvenation]

Kuroko has solidified its spot in the magazine. It got enough help and now appears to be fine on its own. It sells more than all the other 09 series including Beelzebub and even leap frogged Sket Dance. Another sports series may come, but lets not act like Prince of Tennis and Eyeshield 21 weren't running alongside each other.

Dear lord, almost 2 years ago I never would have saw myself defending this series. :faint


Not to be rude but your crazy if you think Inumaru is getting an anime before Medaka Box. Why wouldn't Medaka Box get one? It sells really well. Maybe not anytime soon, but I bet it will be announced by the end of 2011 at least.

As logical as your post is, expect it to fall on deaf ears. I've been telling people for at least a year now not to be surprised if it happens. The only thing stopping it is living to the usual mark where it becomes more likely. Unless it got a ridiculously early one like Beelzebub. But since they don't promote it anywhere near as much I wouldn't count on it.

Personally, I don't expect one anytime before the 2nd half of 2011.



I don't see Medaka getting an anime, sure, it sells, but that's not the reason WSJ is keeping the manga in the magazine.


And do elaborate for what reason it is being kept in the magazine? If I hear the name "Nishio Ishin" I'm going to face palm. I've destroyed that line of thought enough times I should probably just start keeping my response to it written down in notepad.

As far as a Medaka Box anime in general goes, if this were to ever come I'm going to Edo Tensei Itachi so he can supply the amount of crow thats going to be needed for the occasion. :Haha

[xi0]

I see no reason why Medaka Box wouldn't get an anime at some point. It sells well, has a high-profile writer, and it's ecchi. No one should say it's solely in the magazine because of Nishio Ishin, but his involvement certainly doesn't hurt it at all.

[Westlo]

In regards to a Medaka Box anime.. people in the anime industry were expecting it to be turned into one eventually all the way back in Jan of this year.

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=151787

Medaka Box are more importantly Zaregoto are only a matter of time... and by the the time the Bake novels are all done you could have another 3 seasons worth...

[Negative Syndicate]

According to Shonen Jump website, both Hokenshitsu and Oumagadoki will be getting colour with extended pages.

[Akiyama]

I think it's one of those times where a person adds too much info, human error. They didn't even put the C like the others series even though it does say color. The preview page for issue 48 doesn't say anything about color, just extra pages.http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/esker08/scans/th_48_preview.jpg (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/esker08/scans/48_preview.jpg)
I would love to be wrong but we will find out.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

So, it looks like another Jump series will get an anime next year, and it is one that I don't think anyone could have anticipated. Level E has been announced. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-10-25/yoshihiro-togashi-level-e-manga-gets-anime-in-2011)

Exciting, and probably the most unexpected Jump anime in quite some time.

[Animeace]

I think it's one of those times where a person adds too much info, human error. They didn't even put the C like the others series even though it does say color. The preview page for issue 48 doesn't say anything about color, just extra pages.http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/esker08/scans/th_48_preview.jpg (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/esker08/scans/48_preview.jpg)
I would love to be wrong but we will find out.

There is no error there will be a color says so on the official shonen jump site.> http://www.shonenjump.com/e/weeklyshonenjump/next.html

It's never been rong.

[Samui]

You think the anime adaption of Level E will motivate Togashi to continue his manga?

... lmao, who I am kidding.

[ruggia]

You think the anime adaption of Level E will motivate Togashi to continue his manga?

... lmao, who I am kidding.

probably the opposite....
more money => more games.

[Tsubaki88]

Whoa,whoa a Level E anime?

I Didn't see that coming,but bring it on lol xD

[Akiyama]

@zb19870326 - 2009 cover, it's old


There is no error there will be a color says so on the official shonen jump site.> http://www.shonenjump.com/e/weeklyshonenjump/next.html

It's never been rong.

The link you gave just reiterates my point, all it says is 23 pages.

The japanese next page has been wrong in the past. They didn't list One Piece one time and we all thought it was absent, they listed Reborn having 50 pages, it was leftover data from the new series the week before. I'm not too concerned since we will find out in a few days.

[StrangerAtaru]

Wow that's shocking but interesting. I've heard of Level E but that was more or less a cult series that existed post-YYH and pre-HxH. I sort of wonder why now but...hey, stranger things have happened.

[Animeace]

No it says color page as well

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx29/JDSZ/wjj.jpg

Just wait and see.:eyeroll BA and Ichihime listed color page as well and there never rong.

[some guy]

So, it looks like another Jump series will get an anime next year, and it is one that I don't think anyone could have anticipated. Level E has been announced. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-10-25/yoshihiro-togashi-level-e-manga-gets-anime-in-2011)

Exciting, and probably the most unexpected Jump anime in quite some time.

Not exactly news, though (http://community.livejournal.com/weeklyjump/174075.html). Been known for 3 weeks.

[ruggia]

Is this true???

Toriyama returns with more DragonBall (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/10/toriyama-returns-to-dragon-ball/)

if it is, its a huge news....

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Been known for 3 weeks.

I believe it was just a rumor back then, but it's been confirmed with 100% certainty now.

[v3g374]

Is this true???

Toriyama returns with more DragonBall (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/10/toriyama-returns-to-dragon-ball/)

if it is, its a huge news....

Is there any japanese source? I couldn't find any. It's sounds like a joke. But a good one. ;)

[Akainu]

The link doesn't work for me, actually comicbookresources as a whole, just like every other original source... weird.
Anyway, I could imagine that it stems from the fact though, that Toriyamas oneshot will soon be in wsj. misunderstanding much?

[Jase]

The link doesn't work for me, actually comicbookresources as a whole, just like every other original source... weird.
Anyway, I could imagine that it stems from the fact though, that Toriyamas oneshot will soon be in wsj. misunderstanding much?

The full text from the CBR link - "Rich Johnston reports this morning that manga creator Akira Toriyama is going to write some new chapters of Dragon Ball (also known as Dragon Ball Z in the United States). Dragon Ball originally ran from 1984 to 1995 in Japan, and Viz Media published it in the U.S.

Johnston states the obvious: “Something that will make this event even more spectacular is a simultaneous fully translated worldwide launch of the new book.”

The Viz folks were tweeting last week about a big announcement to come this week, and they have already done a simultaneous release with Rumiko Takahashi’s Rin-ne, so this indeed may be their big news. Stay tuned!"

And from the aforementioned Rich Johnston - "Crank up the Bleeding Cool servers folks. This morning we received word that Shueisha Publishing Company of Tokyo has convinced legendary manga creator Akira Toriyama to come back and restart the Dragon Ball comics franchise.

Dragon Ball (also known as Dragon Ball Z) is one of the most lucrative comic book franchises in the world. Initially serialised from 19984 to 1995 in Shonen Jump, it has spun off successful animated TV series and films. It has sold well over 150 million copies of the collected volumes. But since then, the creator has only returned to the well for comics once, for a one-off crossover with One Piece. His other works have been shorter, more personal pieces, though he has continues to oversee new animations, and his studio are working on a Dragon Ball Online MMORG for release soon.

And it’s in that environment that Akira Toriyama has been persuaed to return to creating new chapters. Partly to help promote the game, partly to earn the boat load of cash he has been promised.

Something that will make this event even more spectacular is a simultaneous fully translated worldwide launch of the new book.

The manga industry needs a boost right now. Can you think or any better way?"

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/10/25/the-return-of-dragon-ball/

Sounds like nothing is really confirmed yet, just highly believe to be the case at this point.

[Akainu]

lol, that article hurts so much to read for everyone who knows to use a minimum of the internet or knows Toriyamas work, it's unbelievable the bigger issues: DBZ was only a name for the animes 2nd part and Toriyama actually did have other manga after DB other than cross epoch, one shots as well as series - pretty ignorant :oh


sorry, old cover ^^'

[Jaymie]

Hopefully they just assumed that Toriyama's new One Shot was more Dragonball. I don't really trust English sources, and that one seemed pretty ignorant about Dragonball in general.

[Kaiten]

How come the tweet comic book resources link to is from Shojo Beat :p

[Negative Syndicate]

If Drabonball does return, then it means WSJ is trying same strategy as JSQ.

[Drmke]

It won't. It just doesn't make sense for them to bring it back. Plus, Toriyama has barely been doing anything with manga for quite some time leading me to believe he has no interest in doing another series (or continuing one). I can ask the simple question, why now?

[some guy]

Well, he has been plotting Dragonball Online. Hell, for all we know, this could just as well be a mistranslated announcement about Dragonball Online's Japanese release, which isn't that far off.

[Kaiten]

This doesn't seem right. Big manga news sites like ANN ignoring it and a tweet from Shojo Beat as evidence. Hopefully no one gets there hopes up.

[[Cross]]

Hopefully no one gets there hopes up.

You mean the internet, because this news has gone viral, I myself don't believe in this news at all. Just waiting on the outcry from the internet. Of course, there's the possibility that ANN is waiting on an official statement to make the announcement, which kinda just feeds into this not being true.

[Kaiten]

It's not just ANN, none of the news sources I trust have broken this. I trust Heiji to get this type of news before the sites linked to here.

Yeah, the interweb is gonna be abuzz. Hopefully everyone at MH will stay realistic.

[Asarii]

Regarding the possible return of Dragonball, let's wait until we get (or don't get) a proper confirmation from Weekly Shonen Jump.

I've alway been wary of rumours such as these from past experience so I'm not sure if this is true. It might be, but I'm still being cautious for now. :)

[Xadyu]

If it was true we didn't have to speculate because this would've been great news and it would be all over the place.

Instead, we get this half-assed article of someone who doesn't even seem to know Dragonball. So yeah, the best thing people can do is to wait for a legitimate confirmation of either Toriyama or Shueisha themselves.

[SSJWill4]

This doesn't seem right. Big manga news sites like ANN ignoring it and a tweet from Shojo Beat as evidence. Hopefully no one gets there hopes up.

Too late. >_< Hopefully this rumor ends up leading to SOME Dragon Ball announcement. Even if it's just a one shot or something simple like that, any additional DB is appreciated by this fan. I will continue to stay hopefully optimistic until we get official word yay or nay.

[Negative Syndicate]

It looks like bottom 5 is released early and people are saying it is real, so I'll upload it just in case.


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Issue 48 Bottom 5:

Nurarihyon
Inumaru
Light Wing
Psyren
SWOT

[kewl0210]

K, so, Light Wing's not ranked till the FOLLOWING week, I think, because it started one week after Enigma. So... that's screwed.

I honestly don't know why Nurarihyon is so low. The recent arc's been good. It's gotten a lot of cool stuff happening, maybe just too much at once. And especially with having an anime and all you'd think it'd get a higher rank. The anime's like 16 episodes in, you'd think it would be upping it.

Yeah and uh... SWOT and Psyren are dead. Seems Psyren is having another arc before it ends, though. At this point all characteristics of any person have been lost completely. Except maybe Amagi Miroku.

And Inumaru is a gag manga so it goes up and down. It's not gonna get canceled.

[Negative Syndicate]

I honestly don't know why Nurarihyon is so low. The recent arc's been good.

I agreed that current arc is good, but I have a feeling that the recent chapters are kind of dragging out. Maybe that's why Nurarihyon is in bottom 5.

[some guy]

Oumagadoki seems to be reasonably safe for now, at least.

[saladesu]

Mago ;____; I agree, it's been good but a little draggy with battle after battle non-stop. But the arc reaches its climax starting from 125~126 so here's hoping the rank will rise from there.

And Psyren is still down there. Unsurprising, but still sad D: Really crossing my fingers this doesn't spell cancellation, especially as it looks like a new (and possibly the final) arc is beginning.

Things aren't looking up for Light Wing either. Or SWOT.

[[Cross]]

Hm, so a colour after ranking (or at?) I guess this sorta cements Enigma's place no?

[Galactic Tomahawk]

It'll be after the first ranking, I believe.

Very good sign, glad to see Oumagadoki escaping the bottom again too.

[Negative Syndicate]

I found a full ToC, and it looks like bottom 5 is little bit wrong. So, I'll upload the real one.


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べるぜ
こちかめ
めだか
スケット
りぼん
黒子
ぬらり
いぬまる
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巻頭カラーナルト
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Bleach (Cover, Lead CP)
Bakuman
One Piece
Gintama
Enigma
Toriko
Poo (CP, One Shot)
Beelzebub
Kochikame
Medaka Box
Sket Dance
Reborn (CP)
Kuroko
Nurarihyon
Inumaru
Hokenshitsu
Oumagadoki
Light Wing
Psyren
SWOT

Naruto (Absent)

[[Cross]]

er... so this is Enigma's first ranking? Holy crap that's great, it broke the top 5!

[kewl0210]

Yeah, Enigma's first official ranking is in the top 5, and next week it's getting a color page. The description there says "in commemoration of the great popularity" So definitely looks like it's taking well.

But if I recall, Double Arts even got the cover a second time after its premier and still got canceled, so it's not exactly "100% safe" unless it holds up. I think it will though.

And Toriko is off for a week. Man, do you think Jump is purposely trying to have ONE series absent every week of the Super Legends One-Shot thing? I'm pretty sure it's been like that between OP, Bleach, Naruto, and Toriko. Well, less for me to translate...

[kh2masta]

Bakuman beat One piece? is this even possible? lol

[saladesu]

Bakuman beat One piece? is this even possible? lol

If my memory serves me right, that was the chapter where Saishuu found out if PCP would be canceled. So I guess it's not really that surprising that it beat out One Piece... ;)

And phew, Mago isn't in the bottom 5! \o/ Just scraped it at 7th from the bottom but well, better than being in it.

And congratulations to Enigma! ^^ It deserves this. I hope Sakaki-sensei can keep up the good work. Finally a series in 2010 that seems to be holding its own (at least for now anyway).

[Mr. Prince]

Uh la la, lotsa nice stuff going on.

First, nice covers for the Tankoubon this time around. Beelzebub could be easily mistaken for a Yankee/Sport manga from anybody who doesn't really know it. :tem
One Piece is great as always (though Luffy's mouth looks kinda really off...) and happy family for Naruto will push the sales a little, I guess. Those were some fine chapters.
But darn, JUMP, don't tease me like that. I wanna see a preview for Oumagadoki Vol. 1 already... >: (

Then ToC-wise:
BIG kudos to enigma. It really managed to break 2010's curse... as long as it won't pull DA on us, one can say congrats for now.
A shame Oumaga didn't rise more together with the page increasement, but oh well... at least there's Light Wing, a brand new cushion. :D

[Divinenega]

Just saw the rankings for this week:

1. Bleach
2. Bakuman
3. One Piece
4. Gintama
5. Enigma
6. Toriko
7. Poe (4th story from the series of Jump Legends oneshots; from Usuta Kyousuke)
8. Beelzebub
9. Kochi-kame
10. Medaka Box
11. Sket Dance
12. Katekyo Hitman Reborn
13. Kuroko no Basket
14. Nurarihyon no Mago
15. Inumaru Dashi
16. Hokenshitsu no Shinigami
17. Oumagadoki Doubutsuen
18. Right Wing
19. Psyren
20. SWOT

Bleach and Reborn are excluded since they had color pages this week, and Poe's a one-shot so it's not counted either.

It's nice to see that Enigma's doing great. I was worried it might not do well since it's not a mainstream series...

It's also getting color pages next week.

[Akiyama]

NuraMago is in the bottom 5 since Oumagadoki and Hokenshitsu are both unranked due to the extra pages. This also makes Negative Syndicate's first post also correct, they just omitted the unranked series.

Last volumes of Jaguar and Metallica are shipping in December, Swot debuts, new Colorwalk artbook for One Piece. Full list. (http://www.s-manga.net/newcomic/index201012.html)

[Crude]

That is some great news for Enigma! It's great to see a thriller series doing so well in it's debut. I'm hoping it won't be another Double Arts (which I still don't really understand the reasons behind it's cancellation).

[Negative Syndicate]

NuraMago is in the bottom 5 since Oumagadoki and Hokenshitsu are both unranked due to the extra pages. This also makes Negative Syndicate's first post also correct, they just omitted the unranked series.


Series with extended pages are also unranked? I thought new series and series with colour pages were considered unranked.

[3c]

Wow Enigma is doing awesomely on it's first official ranking! Major kudos for that, it's not undeserved either, the manga's pretty good and has captured my interest in only the first six chapters.

Bakuman actually pwned One Piece, what's the odds for that? Kudos here aswell, even if the Bakuman chapter in question was excellent it's never easy to beat One Piece unless it's Naruto doing it. Speaking of Naruto, the volume cover is seriously beautiful!

[Akiyama]

Series with extended pages are also unranked? I thought new series and series with colour pages were considered unranked.
The best way to confirm this is the ToC page from the magazine. Series with color are always set aside to the left or right. If series with extended pages are also excluded from the normal block format then I would consider them unranked. Similar to the jump website layout if that helps to explain. A series getting special treatment makes sense to be unranked.

[Rejuvenation]

An interesting week.

I'm elated about Medaka jumping out of the bottom 5 and landing in the middle. Bakuman taking the #1 spot is surprising as well.

Enigma has come out strong while Light Wing appears to have tanked. Debuting in the top 5 is impressive. If it manages to sustain itself I may give it a read in a few weeks.

No change in Psyren or SWOT so they are still knocking at death's door.

[Jaymie]

Wow Enigma! Finally, a series broke through the 2010 chain. It looks like the editors gave up on Light Wing, though... before it was even supposed to be ranked.

Bakuman beats One Piece. Naruto actually has a nice-looking cover. What has the world come to?

[Googlez_kun]

I'm glad Enigma is doing well!I hope it won't fall that far next week.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Great to see it debut so high, there's still a chance Jump could just be trying to promote it but there's no point worrying about that unless it actually happens.

I'm just glad we finally have something that isn't dying right out the gate.

[Negative Syndicate]

I'm glad Enigma is doing well!I hope it won't fall that far next week.

Don't worry, Enigma is getting colour next week.

[3c]

By the looks of it, Enigma's getting a lot of positive reactions. I'm up to date and really recommend it to those that haven't read it yet. There's a lot of content in every chapter, the characters are all pretty cool and the art is great. It's not too shabby in terms of originality either.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Yeah Enigma's probably the best thing we've gotten this year, definitely recommend giving it a shot if you haven't yet.

[Jaymie]

Enigma's the best thing we've gotten in a while. To me it has potential to be the next 20th Century Boys or Death Note. I'm just glad that it won't get cut after a couple of weeks, because the story thus far will need half a dozen volumes just to explain, and now that it's proven itself, it will definitely expand past the current arc.

[Drmke]

So uh....yeah Light Wing has failed me....but at least Enigma is there to make this year not a complete waste. I just hope next year is better. Let's see, cancellation for next time will probably be something along the lines of SWOT, Psyren, and Light Wing and then have three new series come in with hopefully some returning authors.

[Negative Syndicate]

I hope OD and Enigma to be saviour for 2010 series.

But now, I started to worry about 2011 series because Jump barely made a room for 2010 series. So, I think there isn't going to be anymore room for upcoming 2011 series, unless some older series to end.

[Drmke]

Well Psyren is ending, Bakuman probably doesn't have a year left, Naruto is going to end in the next year or so, and series like Shinigami, Medaka, and Oumagadoki are all generally lower in the ToC meaning that if a good new series comes out it can push those series down like Enigma is doing. If a good returning author like Naoshi comes back then I think there is a chance those series I mentioned could be in trouble.

[StrangerAtaru]

Nice to see Enigma doing well...I think a 2010 series may survive after all. (but it's still early and a year is a long time) Also nice but weird seeing Bakuman take the top but it has the anime and a lot of interest as of late. Also like Kochi's bounce back from some down times; the old series's still got it anyway.

As for 2011...I wouldn't worry honestly: Psyren's nearly done and Naruto's entering end-game as is the finite nature of Bakuman: space is coming it's just a matter of when.

[Negative Syndicate]

Well Psyren is ending, Bakuman probably doesn't have a year left, Naruto is going to end in the next year or so, and series like Shinigami, Medaka, and Oumagadoki are all generally lower in the ToC meaning that if a good new series comes out it can push those series down like Enigma is doing. If a good returning author like Naoshi comes back then I think there is a chance those series I mentioned could be in trouble.

I agreed Psyren is near the end and Hokeshitsu can end any time, but I'm not sure about others. Naruto is going to its climax, but I think it going to take at least another year or two to reach its ending; Medaka's ranking and selling has been pretty good recently and I think there is still far more left on current arc; and I thing Oumagadoki still has possibilities to increase its ranking because I think its current arc is getting pretty good reception.

[Drmke]

Medaka and Oumagadoki can go either way. I mentioned them because they are generally ranked lower, and in most cases, that's what Jump cares about. Unless either one starts pushing majors numbers sells wise, a string of low ranking can kill them.

[Rejuvenation]

I hope OD and Enigma to be saviour for 2010 series.

But now, I started to worry about 2011 series because Jump barely made a room for 2010 series. So, I think there isn't going to be anymore room for upcoming 2011 series, unless some older series to end.

One or both of them possibly could be. But I'm not willing to believe Enigma is in the green yet. It will be easier to buy if gets past the 3 volume mark and we have a larger body of results to work with.

2011 is worth considering however we can keep in mind there are going to at least be 2-3 sports series serialized next year. And the trend in recent years is unless they get the Kuroko treatment those are automatic throwaways.

If they come the first 2 rounds in the beginning of the year that helps out whatever gets left over from this year and buys time for whatever else is in the bottom 5 brawl.


Well Psyren is ending, Bakuman probably doesn't have a year left, Naruto is going to end in the next year or so, and series like Shinigami, Medaka, and Oumagadoki are all generally lower in the ToC meaning that if a good new series comes out it can push those series down like Enigma is doing. If a good returning author like Naoshi comes back then I think there is a chance those series I mentioned could be in trouble.

@Bold
If he comes back with another Double Arts or something as horrendous as Apple they have nothing to fear.

Been a while since someone brought him or Kano up. I almost want to mark down the amount of time. A record may have been set for the former.

I can see Hokenshitsu managing to get length somewhere between Buso Renkin and Muhyo. No one has ever really believed in this series but it has managed to hang in there and do its own thing.

Medaka will have enough cover the first half of 2011 and that may be enough time for it to be in proper position for the next step.

Both my head and gut tells me Oumagadoki goes before either of the other two. The other two have the generated sales argument for them to stay and unless its a break out hit on volume 1 it will take a bit to reach Hokenshitsu. By then, it may be too late.

Plus Psyren being gone helps the others out since it was a longer running series that became a perennial bottom dweller at the end. Far easier and faster to cancel any of the new 2011 failures than what Psyren had going for it in comparison. They at least gave 10 or so chapters to bring about a conclusion rather than the 2 or 3 some others are given.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Well Psyren is ending, Bakuman probably doesn't have a year left, Naruto is going to end in the next year or so, and series like Shinigami, Medaka, and Oumagadoki are all generally lower in the ToC meaning that if a good new series comes out it can push those series down like Enigma is doing. If a good returning author like Naoshi comes back then I think there is a chance those series I mentioned could be in trouble.

Naruto is in the endgame, but I don't see it ending within a year. There are still three major villains and a number of other subplots to deal with. 2011 is a more realistic target. Bakuman also doesn't really seem close to ending with the way things have been going recently. Medaka's sales are good, so I don't see it getting canceled, either. Those other series definitely could, though.

I think there will be room for 1-2 series in 2010 to survive, but there probably won't be more than that unless some well established author returns.

[Asarii]

Yay, Enigma overcame its first hurdle: the first ranking! Hopefully it'll be consistent and keep up with the momentum. I'm really glad the Japanese readers are enjoying it just as the West are. A colour page must mean that the series is really popular.

Judging from the series I'm reading, Psyren and Naruto are indeed nearing their climax. I predict Psyren to end later this year or early-2011, but Naruto will obviously go on for much longer than that. The finale will probably be prolonged as much as possible.

[StrangerAtaru]

Judging from the series I'm reading, Psyren and Naruto are indeed nearing their climax. I predict Psyren to end later this year or early-2011, but Naruto will obviously go on for much longer than that. The finale will probably be prolonged as much as possible.

I sort of hope Kishi took notes from Kubo for how not to prolongue a finale. (yeah it was pre-timeskip but it was still a disaster) If Naruto goes, he really needs to make it work in whatever time scheme he wants it to instead of prolonging it to squeeze any last juices out of the series that are left.

[Koen]

Enigma doing good, feels great but watch out. Double Arts was another series which started very good. It will need a confirmation to keep the top spot. Well at this moment, the first 7 chapters have been very interested. I wouldn't believe my eyes if it would drop already.

Asarii, I think that you are quite right, psyren will be part of the upcoming axe. Don't forget that WSJ mostly ends three series in a row at the end of its issue year to start with three new series in its first three or four issues?

[3c]

Naruto's going to be running for a long time still, don't expect it to end within two years. I mean seriously, the war arc will be a MAJOR arc, there's simply no way Kishi can burn through all the plots he has created within less than two years without utterly rushing the manga. Kishi wouldn't even have to make an effort to stretch the manga to make it last two more years. So don't count on Naruto's ending helping out newer series for a few years. Psyren on the other hand will be a help.

[Samui]

I didn't know where to ask, so... what is the exact date in which Naruto's pilot was published in Akamaru Jump? I know it was in '97, but I would like to know the month too.

[Akiyama]

Summer issue, August.

[Asarii]

@StrangerAtaru: I really hope Kishi will avoid the direction Kubo is taking as well. (Honestly I've never read Bleach, but I've heard enough to know what the writing is like.) There's a difference between forcibly dragging the plot and taking enough time to sort out loose ends. As 3c said, the finale won't happen in the immediate future so hopefully Kishi will go the latter route: a pacing that won't feel too rushed nor too slow.

@koenosaki: Psyren did have a period where it was doing quite well so perhaps WSJ will let Iwashiro wrap things up before it ends. (Although Shaman King with 300+ chapters had a very abrupt ending from what I've heard.)

You're probably right about WSJ ending three series to start three more in the following year. 15 ~ 20 series is probably the ideal.

[Rejuvenation]

Shaman King still saddens me to this day. Though at least Takei learned from his master Watsuki on how to talk the editors into letting you get a proper ending for your series after its been canceled for a while.

As for the next 3 series(assuming there is 3, we could get two like last year) that will come soon, I'm get the feeling there is a high chance one will be a sports series. And 100% sure that sport series will be a sacrificial lamb if so.


I sort of hope Kishi took notes from Kubo for how not to prolongue a finale. (yeah it was pre-timeskip but it was still a disaster) If Naruto goes, he really needs to make it work in whatever time scheme he wants it to instead of prolonging it to squeeze any last juices out of the series that are left.

I almost wish Kishi would take notes from Togashi on how to accelerate an ending. :p

But in all seriousness, I doubt Kishi is the one that has any interest in stretching the finale out. The editorial department on the other hand, has almost every reason to try and milk this cow for as long as they can. For years now the series has given me Dragonball type vibes but to a lesser extent as far as an ending goes.

[yushikiroenishi]

Shaman King still saddens me to this day. Though at least Takei learned from his master Watsuki on how to talk the editors into letting you get a proper ending for your series after its been canceled for a while.

I assume you're speaking of the Kenshin anime and its filler not the Kenshin manga... because the manga definitely did not get canceled. Busou Renkin was canceled and ended well, but no until after Shaman King....

[Rejuvenation]

I assume you're speaking of the Kenshin anime and its filler not the Kenshin manga... because the manga definitely did not get canceled. Busou Renkin was canceled and ended well, but no until after Shaman King....

Kenshin is no where in my intentions with that post. I'm referring to Busou Renkin.

Both series got their "proper endings" after the serializations were over. In the case of Shaman King, Takei finished it several years after the fact. In the case of Busou Renkin, Watsuki talks about going to the jump staff more than once and persuading them to get extra chapters in an interview which was in one of the last Busou Renkin volumes.

[SSJWill4]

Shaman King still saddens me to this day. Though at least Takei learned from his master Watsuki on how to talk the editors into letting you get a proper ending for your series after its been canceled for a while.

As for the next 3 series(assuming there is 3, we could get two like last year) that will come soon, I'm get the feeling there is a high chance one will be a sports series. And 100% sure that sport series will be a sacrificial lamb if so.


We did get 3 last year:
49 end Akaboshi
50 end Kagijin
51 end Wasshoi!
We got 2 ending the year before that because D. Grey-Man went on hiatus opening up a third spot. The last time we only had 2 end was back at the end of 2007 (even 2006 had 3 end), so things aren't looking too good for a few series...Swat is dead, Psyren is almost definitely dead, and Light Wing isn't looking good at all...

[Newkerzy]

A little offtopic: does anybody feel that right now, the Jump editorial department feel like they've been royally screwed/one-upped by Shonen magazine?? (*ahem* FT, folks)

[saladesu]

A little offtopic: does anybody feel that right now, the Jump editorial department feel like they've been royally screwed/one-upped by Shonen magazine?? (*ahem* FT, folks)

Why should they? If you look at the top 10 currently running manga series in terms of sales, WSJ monopolises 6 of those spots (One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Gintama, Reborn!, Bakuman). Sure Fairy Tail is selling well (better than "big 3" Bleach, lol, though I think both have pretty bad plots), but that's just one series in Shounen Mag. Probably doesn't pose much of a threat at all. There have always been other shounen series in various other magazines selling as well as or better than some of the WSJ series, like FMA.

But hey, total sales of #2-#6 shounen series (Naruto, FT, FMA, Bleach, Gintama) for first half of 2010 = One Piece sales for first half of 2010. And OP's sales are still increasing every volume. What's there to fear? :amuse

[Newkerzy]

Well, with how Mashima delivered this week, there's no doubt that FT will be heavily acknowledged. I have no doubt that FT will definitely become as big as the Big 3 in 1-2 years. And like you said, it beats Bleach in sales. So, there's no doubt it won't be the Big 3 anymore, instead it will be "Big 4". FT may still have a long way to go, but it's definitely getting there.

[BBB Banana]

Nah There's no way FT is gonna beat OP and Naruto on sales. There's a chance that it can beat Naruto but I doubt it. Sales don't increase that much in a short period. By the time FT sells as much as Naruto the later will be already over.

[Foundway]

But there is a huge problem for FT to become one of the Big 3. It is not from Jump.
For the last years this title was always giving to the best sellers of Jump, please correct me if its not the case anymore.

For the canceled series Psyren and Swot are two of them this is for sure. Swot will probable end after the one shots, I guess and Psyren will last before the next douple issue in december, so for Psyren 7/8 chapter to end the series smoothly.

[Koshi_Inaba]

FT only manage to top Bleach total sales for the first half of 2010 because of the anime. Bleach's individual sales are still greater. Bleach 46 sold 690,978 copies, FT 22 sold 432,286 copies

FMA was actually the 3rd biggest shonen selling manga after OP and Naruto. The only reason why Bleach usually tops it in the total yearly sales, it's because Bleach has more volume released per year the FMA. After Brotherhood aired, FMA actually become the 2nd biggest topping Naruto. I don't think the Japanese fandom actually ever called it trinity or big 3 or other bullshit like that

[Negative Syndicate]

I think it is impossible for FT to reach One Piece and Naruto level. Anime has been aired for one year and FT managed to increase its sale to 400,000 range, but it didn't increase ever since. So, I think there isn't going to be any possibility that FT going to increase its tank sales.

[Newkerzy]

Yeah, but if we're looking at it from a different POV, which is the "greatness" of it. I think it deserves to be called on the same level as the Big 3. I don't doubt that FT will take over Naruto's spot when it ends.

[BBB Banana]

That's a pointless discussion. Greatness is up to you. Neither Bleach or Naruto are as big as OP and yet they are labeled as Big3.

Big 3 is just a stupid and vague concept that we use for the 3 most popular manga in the internet. There's actually an huge gap between each of the "Big 3" mangas.

[Rejuvenation]

We did get 3 last year:
49 end Akaboshi
50 end Kagijin
51 end Wasshoi!
We got 2 ending the year before that because D. Grey-Man went on hiatus opening up a third spot. The last time we only had 2 end was back at the end of 2007 (even 2006 had 3 end), so things aren't looking too good for a few series...Swat is dead, Psyren is almost definitely dead, and Light Wing isn't looking good at all...

I wasn't talking about two ending, I was talking about two starting. Hence me saying "come" and not "going" in my post. There was only Neko Wappa and Kanata Seven Change that came after the 3 you listed ended.

Agree on SWOT, Psyren, and Light Wing being in pitiful positions.

Hopefully my next post won't have to clear up a third misunderstanding ha.

[Asarii]

Big 3 is just a stupid and vague concept that we use for the 3 most popular manga in the internet. There's actually an huge gap between each of the "Big 3" mangas.
It's only the Western fandom that calls OP, Naruto and Bleach the "Big 3". I've never heard Japanese fans call those series, the "best ____". They're the most popular but they're not necessarily the best manga in the industry.

[Nightthroat]

I think its even impossible to say that there is one manga that is the best, because its all about taste. There will never be a manga that everyone will like XD

[Xadyu]

Wasn't the Big 3 only used to point out those three manga's as the big WSJ manga's?

When I say it I only mean those 3 as the top WSJ manga's that are running, I never intented to use it to point out the manga in non-WSJ talk. Cause then I just call them the WSJ-3.. :oh

[Drmke]

Wasn't the Big 3 only used to point out those three manga's as the big WSJ manga's?

Yep, exactly. I've never heard it applied to all manga, only Jump. I mean hell, if it was all manga, or even all shonen, Bleach wouldn't even have a shot. And why are we talking about Fairy Tail in the Jump thread anyway -_-;

[Xadyu]

There's no big 3 when we talk about all manga, it's impossible to pick 3 manga out that are just better then the rest.

In magazine-talk it's possible by just choosing the actual biggest manga, in popularity.

[Kaiten]

"Big 3" is good internet short hand, way easier then typing "One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto" every damn time. And they are the best selling Jump series, by a wide margin, actually. Sure Hunter x Hunter sells about as well as Bleach but there's one volume a year, so w/e.

Let's stop all the Fairy Tale talk. It will never, ever, under any circumstances eclipse Naruto or One Piece in sales. Nor will it surpass Reborn or Gintama. It sells about as well as Toriko and Mago. It's not in Jump anyway so it really doesn't factor into the discussion.
[hr]
Please stop discussing Fairy Tail. Thanks.

[Asarii]

If anyone wants to continue the discussion, I created a thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2149657#post2149657) about the Big 3 in general.

I have a feeling a similar question will appear in the future.

[Mr. Prince]

Um, looks like it's confirmed that Psyren will be ending this time around. (Yeah, granted it kinda was in the air but now we have some reliable(?) source confirming it...)

It seems like one of Iwashiro-sensei's assistants (Kuroki Takafumi) wrote on his Twitter account (http://twitter.com/Kuroki_Takafumi) that the manga he's currently working on as an assistant will be ending.

＜@toshi_nakada アシスタント先の漫画が終わっちゃうからね～。
まぁ、色々友達づてにあたってみて、良きところに入れたらいいかな～。
12:32 AM Oct 31st www.movatwi.jp から toshi_nakada宛

[kewl0210]

Well realize that doesn't mean "this issue" or anything, because the manga physically being made comes out a few weeks before the issue goes out.
Course, doesn't mean it just happened either.

[Drmke]

Well at least it's confirmed now. It's probably got 3-5 chapters left. Which makes sense with the way the pacing has been. Wonder if that assistant will be in trouble for posting that lol

[halfcrzy]

Wow bummer, There went a good chunk of my interest in reading Shonen Jump. =/

[Kaiten]

The next round of cancellations will be coming this month, with issue 1 only a month away. Makes sense that this news breaks now. Hopefully Komi Naoshi's next series starts in December. It's been so long I've forgotten how to spell his name :|

[Negative Syndicate]

I found bottom 5 and color information. It is by the same person who upload bottom 5 on last week and it was half correct, so I'll upload it just in case.



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ドべから
SWOT
サイレン
右翼
動物園
保健室

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次週の表紙＆巻頭カラーはﾜﾝﾋﾟ

センターカラーは鳥山明の読み切り

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銀魂もCカラー

Issue 49 Bottom 5:
Hokenshitsu
Oumagadoki
Light Wing
Psyren
SWOT

Issue 50:
Cover, Lead CP: One Piece
CP: One Shot by Toriyama Akira, Gintama

[kewl0210]

K, so... yeah. Light Wing is ranked now, and now it's dead more or less.
Also SWOT. When is the next round of cancellations supposed to start...?

Psyren, we know is gonna end soon.

I'll say that Houkenshitsu and Oumagadoki Doubutsuen survive longer, though. Though they'll probably stay near the bottom.

[Zangetsu01]

Jump #49 TOC, Thanks to Ohana


82 ：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2010/11/02(火) 17:11:53 ID:Td/FvixtP

ジャンプ表紙　ナルト　ビー

ナルト　巻頭
ブリーチ
ワンピース
黒子
リボーン
べるぜ
めだか
銀魂
SUCCEED　読み切り
バクマン
いぬまる
えぐにま
スケット
ぬらり
こち亀
保健室
動物園
ライトニング
サイレン
SWOT

背表紙　愛染　小さくワンダーワイス

[Akiyama]

#49
Naruto (Cover, Lead Color)
Bleach
One Piece
Kuroko no Basket
Reborn
Beelzebub (Color)
Medaka Box
Gintama
Succeed (Oneshot color)
Bakuman
Inumaru Dashi
Enigma (Color)
Sket Dance
Nurarihyon no Mago
Kochikame
Hokenshitsu
Oumagadoki
Light Wing
Psyren
SWOT

[Samui]

One Piece is second place... again?!

[Kubukurin]

Damn, Mago is low again.

[saladesu]

What, Bleach above One Piece? :o

I'm still wondering if OP's rank refers to the chapter 8 weeks ago (of which there was none, hence a purely arbitrary number) or to 8 chapters ago. Last time I asked there were 2 answers of differing opinions...

Mago needs to move up that list :<

Light Wing looks like it's meat. And although I knew Psyren was near it's end, seeing a sort of confirmation like this makes me kinda sad. I wonder if we'll ever know if it got cancelled or if it ended naturally the way Iwashiro intended.

[Koen]

I am not surprised that Psyren is getting cancelled. I already expected that 20-30 chapters ago, maybe even earlier since I have always stated that psyren would have a muhyo to roujie length.

I am also not surprised that Right Wing is doing bad. Two sports manga at the same time can't survive unless there's a difference between different ongoing sports manga; kinda like ES 21 (which was the one piece of the sports manga in WSJ) and PoT (which was the bleach or naruto of the sports manga in WSJ) when those two were running at the same time. I hope that editorial department has finally gotten that message.

So it has been decided: SWOT, Psyren and Right Wing are cans. What worries me is that Mago is doing something similar like psyren. Surviving in the beginning, doing very good afterwards, ending up in bottom later on and surviving on cushions at this moment. Mago needs to watch out even if it has an anime

[Koshi_Inaba]

Mago's sales is now around 220k and the sales keep increasing. As long as that happens, no worries there. Unless both ranking and sales drop like Shaman King

[Koen]

Mago's sales is now around 220k and the sales keep increasing. As long as that happens, no worries there. Unless both ranking and sales drop like Shaman King

Why are people always mixing volume sales with magazine sales? TL-R was a manga that sold very good but suddenly it got awful ratings. If the magazine ratings/positions aren't good anymore then it will be cancelled, even if volume ratings are good.

[R4n]

I cringe when i saw KHR got the 4th spot >___>;;
Assuming chapter 304 is the one that was ranked, i guess the kids the readers just LOVE shiny stuffs and action. :notrust

I was hoping khr will fall to the bottom 5 once or twice, just to send the message what the readers are thinking. I guess Japanese readers' and non Japanese readers' taste is different this time... :darn


btw, poor Iwashiro-sensei. I hope his next series will be a hit... ):

[dumbyugi]

Why are people always mixing volume sales with magazine sales? TL-R was a manga that sold very good but suddenly it got awful ratings. If the magazine ratings/positions aren't good anymore then it will be cancelled, even if volume ratings are good.

TL-R wasn't cancelled though, Yabuki ended it because of issues with his ex-wife. Volume sales are the most important thing because that's where the money comes from. Shonen Jump the magazine doesn't even make a profit. The rankings mean shit if a manga is selling 220k, which is better then top tier manga from other magazines.

[BBB Banana]

OP and Gintama color is just sweet :)

Hokenshitsu is low :( I don't like that very much :\

[hdiuy]

When i first saw that Bleach was first, i was like "what?" but then i look through 417 and i kinda understand why it beat OP .

I cringe when i saw KHR got the 4th spot >___>;;
Assuming chapter 304 is the one that was ranked, i guess the kids the readers just LOVE shiny stuffs and action. :notrust

I was hoping khr will fall to the bottom 5 once or twice, just to send the message what the readers are thinking. I guess Japanese readers and western readers taste is different this time... :darn

Isn't it supposed to be chapter 305?Anyway i'm hoping Amano isn't just going to draw all the others with armors from "grade B futuristc movies".

[Negative Syndicate]

I'm surprised that Bleach beats One Piece, but more suprising is Medaka finally made it into top 5.

[Mr. Prince]

I kinda get the feeling One Piece is semi-fixed up there. When it was second to Naruto I didn't think anything was off at all. When it was beaten by Bakuman last week I was kinda like "Well, the respective chapter from Bakuman had been intense and all..." but now it's the third week in a row and it's behind Bleach?
These weeks probably reflect the One Piece GRAND COUNTDOWN 4-weeks-break-special that's been going on.

Other than that... just like Negative Syndicate said, damn is Medaka high up there. Sick!
And sorry to all Light Wing fans but I'm grinning like a Cheshire cat, since it really proves to be a goner. (Thus saving OD's ass this time around.)

[Rejuvenation]

Wooo Medaka finally broke the top 5! *throws hands up in the sky* Easily makes my Jump week. I'm happy we get some extra pages next issue too. Those are the kinds of things we need to take it up a notch. ^___^

SWOT, Light Wing, and Psyren are all goners. Going to shake up the bottom 5 brawl a bit. Hopefully one of the new series that debuts is another sports manga.

Sket Dance and Bakuman stayed afloat as well. Great week this time.

[Iron21]

IMO, Medaka Box is in its best arc yet, so it feels good that it can crack the top 5 when it's at it best.

[Koshi_Inaba]

Why are people always mixing volume sales with magazine sales? TL-R was a manga that sold very good but suddenly it got awful ratings. If the magazine ratings/positions aren't good anymore then it will be cancelled, even if volume ratings are good.

TLR only sold around 150-160k per volume. If Mago start selling around 300 k and above, then it's safe even if ranking is low.

[saladesu]

Technically, Mago's sold 6.4million total for its 12 volumes, meaning on average >500k per volume...

Is 300k or 500k the safe range? I've read on 2ch that 500k is the safe zone, but I'm not sure.

[Asarii]

It's weird seeing Bleach above OP, but overall I'm pleased with the TOC. It might be me but I'm seeing the same collective series in the bottom half. (Probably just me.)

Wait, where's Toriko? Is it absent this week?

@Akiyama: I like your avatar... in an ironic way of course. :P

[predsfan]

Well since no one else is saying it I'll say it, way to go Kuroko. At least one sports series is hanging in there.

[halfcrzy]

This is sad news, Psyren may never get an anime now. Major boo

[saladesu]

Death Note only got one after the manga ended too, so not all hope is lost :)

[Crude]

It's very unlikely though, unless Iwashiro Toshiaki manages to make his(her?) next series more popular and it gets an anime, in which the odds would definitely go up. But who knows, Psyren might get lucky...

[Drmke]

Lulz at Bleach beating One Piece. Also, it's not really that big of a deal, One Piece is still second :\

Other than that, noting new at all.

[StrangerAtaru]

Death Note only got one after the manga ended too, so not all hope is lost :)

But Death Note was a massive cultural phenomenon in Japan with two LA movies and all sorts of hype. Psyren is a mid-tier series at it's highest and didn't seem to get any notice outside Jump fans.

Though I could see it being the next Busou Renkin...

[[Cross]]

But Death Note was a massive cultural phenomenon in Japan with two LA movies and all sorts of hype. Psyren is a mid-tier series at it's highest and didn't seem to get any notice outside Jump fans.

Though I could see it being the next Busou Renkin...

Well even then, Busou Renkin did have an author who previously worked on some samurai series no one heard about.

Anyway, it hasn't been mentioned yet, but since Viz's big announcement was the online manga portal, I take it this DB sequel rumor is officially debunked?

[Jaymie]

I'm not counting out Psyren yet. As it nears its climax it should rise in the rankings.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Aww yeah Kuroko. Man I wish it was still getting scanlated, it is the best sport series since ES21.

[Negative Syndicate]

Aww yeah Kuroko. Man I wish it was still getting scanlated, it is the best sport series since ES21.

One thing that I don't like about Kuroko is that each competition is too short. 2nd match with Shuutoku only lasted 7 chapters. I hope the author extend the length. Other than that, I agree with you.

[kewl0210]

I've been buying and reading the tankoubons of Kuroko since Shinra Tensei's taking their sweet time scanlating it. It's okay but I've never found it that exciting. It has a real "high school slice of life" feel and it can be kinda hard to keep track of all the characters besides the very main ones. And the pacing is kinda slow. It kinda doesn't feel like much is happening most of the time.

Still it's pretty good.

[BBB Banana]

I think that what makes Kuroko different is that it's a real teamwork based manga. The main character is unusual and nothing special by himself but becomes stronger when playing together with his team.

Unlike every sport series where the main character excels at the sport in question and the team wins almost only trough his efforts.

[sir_arles]

I think that what makes Kuroko different is that it's a real teamwork based manga. The main character is unusual and nothing special by himself but becomes stronger when playing together with his team.

Unlike every sport series where the main character excels at the sport in question and the team wins almost only trough his efforts.

Err... i don't know... that sounds like a 80's early 90's description of the sports genre...

I think Slam Dunk changed that aspect forever, and from that manga on the hero on sports manga was no Tsubasa. One of the reason I never liked Kuroko is because the main character actually plays well. :s

[some guy]

I'm not counting out Psyren yet. As it nears its climax it should rise in the rankings.

Guess you missed the Twitter announcement about it ending, then.

[Estranho]

Guess you missed the Twitter announcement about it ending, then.
LOL, it wasn't an announcement!
Sounds like Jump itself told about that, but it's not true.

[Xadyu]

It was an unofficial announcement by a guy who's actually working on the manga.

It's not official yet, but it's very, very believeable.

[Akainu]

everyone following the manga and knowing a little bit about how jump works could see it miles ahead, i.e. about five or so weeks ago it was already plain obvious :(

[Kaiten]

One of Iwashiro's assistants leaked the news. While not official, it's the next best thing. There's no official announcement since cancellations probably won't start until the third or fourth week of the month.

[Mr. Prince]

One of Iwashiro's assistants leaked the news. While not official, it's the next best thing. There's no official announcement since cancellations probably won't start until the third or fourth week of the month.
Yeah, said assistant even precised the time frame of when his current job will end:

というか、今の仕事が１２月初旬～中旬くらいまでと思ってたから油断してたな～・・・。 11:57 PM Oct 30th via www.movatwi.jp
--> till start or middle of December! [lit. first or second third]
__________________

Speaking of which... what are your guesses of when they'll start with the cuts?
Logically speaking they'd have to get rid of SWOT ASAP in order to make it fit the tankoubon. There had only been Asklepios, Bellmonde Le VisiteuR and Over Time in recent years that got cut at 19 chapters. I can't (or don't want) to see them go any further, like with the 24 chapters for AKABOSHI.
Light Wing I expect to get the Meister treatment, canned at chapter 10.
So, if my take turns out to be right that'd make something like:
- Next issue (#50): SWOT
- The next one (#51): Light Wing
And since JUMP tends to do these things in batches:
- Final issue of the year (#52): Psyren
[Though this doesn't really fit with Kuroki's time frame...]

Other guesses?

[halfcrzy]

Hmm Well i assume they will cut pysren last, since it at least it the best of the losers. But im hoping it will make it to its 3rd year and get 1 more color.

[StrangerAtaru]

;2154778']Well even then, Busou Renkin did have an author who previously worked on some samurai series no one heard about.

There may have been the Kenshin factor, but regardless it took a long time before Busou Renkin got respect. From what I heard, it was always a lower-tier series and it only really caught on near the end and sort of became a cult-level hit. That's sort of why I rather compare that with Psyren (a cult hit series that didn't last as long but did tell it's story) than DN. (which was massive but short due to it's definitive story and time-frame set up by Ohba and Obata)

[SSJWill4]

Yeah, said assistant even precised the time frame of when his current job will end:

--> till start or middle of December! [lit. first or second third]
__________________

Speaking of which... what are your guesses of when they'll start with the cuts?
Logically speaking they'd have to get rid of SWOT ASAP in order to make it fit the tankoubon. There had only been Asklepios, Bellmonde Le VisiteuR and Over Time in recent years that got cut at 19 chapters. I can't (or don't want) to see them go any further, like with the 24 chapters for AKABOSHI.
Light Wing I expect to get the Meister treatment, canned at chapter 10.
So, if my take turns out to be right that'd make something like:
- Next issue (#50): SWOT
- The next one (#51): Light Wing
And since JUMP tends to do these things in batches:
- Final issue of the year (#52): Psyren
[Though this doesn't really fit with Kuroki's time frame...]

Other guesses?

My guess would be that cancellations begin after the One Shots, so SWOT out at ch 19 in Issue 51, Light Wing out at ch 11 in Issue 52, and Psyren out at ch 146 with Issue 1 of 2011. It's not unheard of for cancellations to bleed into the new year and happened last in 2007 when Hands got canceled the same issue as Blue Dragon began. Then Psyren would be officially canceled in December, as Issue 1 I believe goes on sale Monday December 6th.

Edit: Then again, Psyren could get pushed back even further and get canceled in like Issue 2 or 3 depending on how much more time Iwashiro needs to end it properly. Eyeshield 21 ended 2 issues before Hoopmen for example.

[kewl0210]

Well Psyren seems like it's ending naturally. Or, if not, at least the author knew in advance about how long he'd have so he probably set it up so stuff would end. Course, the story has too much happening too fast anyhow, to the point where you stop caring about everything and everyone. That or stuff happens that doesn't affect the plot and people stop caring about it because of that. So it's hard to tell, really.

SWOT and Light Wing will both end. Probably SWOT first because it's at the bottom, rather than LW which is like, 2nd to last or so. Course, there are precendents like Chagecha which got canceled in 9 issues, and the first time it was last on the TOC was the week it got canceled. So who can be sure?

[Estranho]

Does anyone knows what is this about? http://www.shonenjump.com/j/news/detail101108_2.html

[Mr. Prince]

Does anyone knows what is this about? http://www.shonenjump.com/j/news/detail101108_2.html
Yeah, I saw spoilers for that posted a week ago or so... it's a new magazine that combines (popular) series from Shounen JUMP and V JUMP and publishes special stories for them.
[Personally, I couldn't care less about this since the chapters for the series are drawn by different authors/mangaka than the original... well, one could figure as much.]

The target audience are kids.

Edit: Oh, yeah, forgot to add this... the name is Super Strong JUMP (or Saikyou JUMP in Japanese which is literally "Strongest JUMP")

[Negative Syndicate]

If Togashi keep taking hiatuses over and over again, then I think Hunter should move to either Jump SQ or Ultra Jump.
[hr]

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掲載順は
ドべからSWOT
右翼
サイレン
動物園
保健室

Issue 50 Bottom 5:
Hokenshitsu
Oumagadoki
Psyren
Light Wing
SWOT

[Bomber D Rufi]

Beelze Anime drawn by *sigh* Pierrot. VA cast will be same as Jump OVA.

[Kaiten]

lol. As soon as they said Pierrot were animating I knew it would be a disaster. I don't even need to watch it to find out. Shame on Shueisha.

[Bomber D Rufi]

lol. As soon as they said Pierrot were animating I knew it would be a disaster. I don't even need to watch it to find out. Shame on Shueisha.

Sunrise, Madhouse, even DEEN would have made better choices. *sigh* I guess I'll watch to see how bad it gets, and just hope Gintama returns in April.

[Estranho]

#50 :


Is it Issue #50 or #51?
In the last preview, was said that #50 would have One Piece cover.

[Jaymie]

I can't believe Level E is getting an Anime so far down the road. It gives me hope for Psyren though.

And another Enigma color page? I'm loving this. It's proof that Japan is willing to accept a new series... if it's good.

[Negative Syndicate]

852 名前：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E [sage] 投稿日：2010/11/10(水) 16:41:26 ID:88zbp2uaP

表紙　ワンピ　ルフィ
巻頭カラー　ワンピ　麦わら一味

ワンピ
ナルト
バクマン
ブリーチ
エニグマ
トリコ
ＫＩＮＴＯＫＩ　読み切り　鳥山明
黒子
めだか
スケット
銀魂
ベルゼ
こち亀
いぬ
ぬらり
リボーン
保健室
動物園
サイレン
ライトニング
ＳＷＯＴ

Issue 50:
One Piece (Cover, Lead CP)
Naruto
Bakuman
Bleach
Enigma
Toriko
Kintoki (One Shot, CP)
Kuroko
Medaka Box
Sket Dance
Gintama (CP)
Beelzebub
Kochikame
Inumaru
Nurarihyon
Reborn!
Hokenshitsu
Oumagadoki
Psyren
Light Wing
SWOT

[[Cross]]

Hm, so enigma is still ranking in the top 5, and next week's chapter is getting a colour page, woot. The rest of the TOC seems pretty standard.

[Koshi_Inaba]

both Medaka and Mago has 23 pages, so are they still ranked?

[Rejuvenation]

Oh well sucks to be Beelzebub. Though I find the situation to be hilarious. Jump giving two crappy studios to its latest two manga with anime. Hopefully future ones will be spared either Deen or Pierrot.

Looks like another great week. Bakuman and Toriko in the top 5 and Sket is still staying afloat. Medaka gets its extra pages too. Looking forward to the Bakuman cover and color next week.

The bottom 3 are about to hit their expiration date while Reborn is also low too. Nothing for me to complain about here.

[Mr. Prince]

Damn... I was really hoping for Oumaga to pick up a little this week since it's about the point when the Ushimitsudoki Arc started. :/
I mean, they even said on chapter 16's cover the arc enjoys great popularity. Plus, one can really see that users on 2ch started to get a liking to this series... such a shame. I'll pin my hopes on the next few weeks. It just has to get out of there or it'll be fucked by the round of cuts after next.

Whereas enigma really enjoys great popularity, it seems. That's about the victory road titles like Beelzebub and Kuroko had been walking down when they began...

Apart from that nothing really worth commenting going on. Except: Meh... me wants my fix of One Piece!! :scry

[Crude]

I don't see what's the big problem with Studio Pierrot working on the Beelzebub anime. I'm not going to talk about Shippuuden since it's quality is all over the place, but Bleach is a pretty good adaptation except for the "alternate-universe filler arcs". Both Naruto and Bleach (and even Tegami Bachi I guess) looked pretty good and consistent (minus the sometimes bad looking Naruto episode) before the fillers began. It was then that the consistency went wack, with good looking episodes, fantastic looking episodes, but also horrible looking episodes (I'm looking at you Shippuuden). I predict that Beelzebub (if it becomes a long-running anime) will look pretty great at the start, but once fillers arrive it'll suffer the same fate as the other series. Plus the fact that Pierrot will be working on three long-running shounen series at the same time doesn't bode well.

And I'm a pretty big Studio Dean hater, but I have to admit that they're doing a pretty good job with Mago. Sure the episodes might seem a little slow right now, but that's only because they're trying to fill up the Shikoku arc with stuff that the mangaka didn't have time to do (like Kappa's episode) due to the series being at the bottom of the magazine at that time. I do dislike the focus they're giving to the romance though, mostly because they make Tsurara look really petty and annoying.

Anyway, I'm pretty psyched to hear how good Enigma is doing. I'm really liking the series, and I hope it goes a long way.

PS: Now that Psyren is ending, I don't really know which series to root for. Sket's getting an anime, so I don't have to worry about it. Maybe Hokenshitsu? Or maybe I should read Oumagadoki?

[ChocoBar9]

lol. As soon as they said Pierrot were animating I knew it would be a disaster. I don't even need to watch it to find out. Shame on Shueisha.
So what exactly is wrong with Pierrot? They're one of the best animation studios for long running shounen currently in Japan

Sunrise, Madhouse, even DEEN would have made better choices. *sigh* I guess I'll watch to see how bad it gets, and just hope Gintama returns in April.
You complain about Pierrot but yet list two worse studios in the process? :eyeroll

[Bomber D Rufi]

So what exactly is wrong with Pierrot? They're one of the best animation studios for long running shounen currently in Japan

You complain about Pierrot but yet list two worse studios in the process? :eyeroll

I added 'Deen' as a sarcastic quip. Deen is bad, but no where near as bad as Pierrot. And dude, Gintama's adaptation was near legendary, not to mention Kekkaishi was well done too. Sunrise is fine. I doubted they'd do it since Gintama's the first Jump adaptation they've done in years, but still.

And even Naruto fans complain about how bad the animation can get, and Tegami Bachi's animation is so-so at best. Bleach is so all over the place that it's hard to call them 'good', even if they can do like six episodes in a row without screwing up.

Oh well, at least with Pierrot, Beelze's OP and ED animation will look pretty awesome.


I don't see what's the big problem with Studio Pierrot working on the Beelzebub anime. I'm not going to talk about Shippuuden since it's quality is all over the place, but Bleach is a pretty good adaptation except for the "alternate-universe filler arcs". Both Naruto and Bleach (and even Tegami Bachi I guess) looked pretty good and consistent (minus the sometimes bad looking Naruto episode) before the fillers began. It was then that the consistency went wack, with good looking episodes, fantastic looking episodes, but also horrible looking episodes (I'm looking at you Shippuuden). I predict that Beelzebub (if it becomes a long-running anime) will look pretty great at the start, but once fillers arrive it'll suffer the same fate as the other series. Plus the fact that Pierrot will be working on three long-running shounen series at the same time doesn't bode well.

And I'm a pretty big Studio Dean hater, but I have to admit that they're doing a pretty good job with Mago. Sure the episodes might seem a little slow right now, but that's only because they're trying to fill up the Shikoku arc with stuff that the mangaka didn't have time to do (like Kappa's episode) due to the series being at the bottom of the magazine at that time. I do dislike the focus they're giving to the romance though, mostly because they make Tsurara look really petty and annoying.

Anyway, I'm pretty psyched to hear how good Enigma is doing. I'm really liking the series, and I hope it goes a long way.

PS: Now that Psyren is ending, I don't really know which series to root for. Sket's getting an anime, so I don't have to worry about it. Maybe Hokenshitsu? Or maybe I should read Oumagadoki?


Also the advert for Level E claims that Pierrot will be drawing that too. (Along with David Production.) Soooooooo Bleach, Naruto, Letter Bee, Level E and Beelze. Someone's gonna get the shaft, someone. Shall we start taking bets?

Please let someone awesome get Sket. Please Shuiesha.

[ChocoBar9]

I added 'Deen' as a sarcastic quip. Deen is bad, but no where near as bad as Pierrot. And dude, Gintama's adaptation was near legendary, not to mention Kekkaishi was well done too. Sunrise is fine. I doubted they'd do it since Gintama's the first Jump adaptation they've done in years, but still.
Gintama and Kekkashi were among Sunrises' lower budget titles (something that's an added joke in the Gintama anime) and they sure as hell didn't look as good as you're implying. Gintama especially since the show isn't about it's animated fights and more so on it's humor


And even Naruto fans complain about how bad the animation can get, and Tegami Bachi's animation is so-so at best. Bleach is so all over the place that it's hard to call them 'good', even if they can do like six episodes in a row without screwing up.
The majority of the fans don't know shit about animation and those are the same people that believe that episode 167 of Shippuden was badly animated. As it stands Naruto has a slew of talented and long time animators working on it and puts out more well animated episodes than Gintama and Kekkashi has throughout their respective runs. But of course a series that has gone over 400 or so episodes isn't gonna look good throughout every episodes. I'm not saying that Pierrot is THE BEST ANIME STUDIO in Japan just saying that in terms of shounen they do a pretty decent job, I can't say the same for Toei with how One Piece is going currently

[Bomber D Rufi]

Gintama and Kekkashi were among Sunrises' lower budget titles (something that's an added joke in the Gintama anime) and they sure as hell didn't look as good as you're implying. Gintama especially since the show isn't about it's animated fights and more so on it's humor

The majority of the fans don't know shit about animation and those are the same people that believe that episode 167 of Shippuden was badly animated. As it stands Naruto has a slew of talented and long time animators working on it and puts out more well animated episodes than Gintama and Kekkashi has throughout their respective runs. But of course a series that has gone over 400 or so episodes isn't gonna look good throughout every episodes. I'm not saying that Pierrot is THE BEST ANIME STUDIO in Japan just saying that in terms of shounen they do a pretty decent job, I can't say the same for Toei with how One Piece is going currently

Dude, have you watched One piece lately? And by your own logic, One piece is doing fine. I mean, you're the one who says that not every episode should look amazing right? And Kekkaishi's action scenes were just as well done, if not better than some of Naruto. Gintama also had some really well done action scenes, not to mention even the comedy episodes had lush backgrounds and solid animation. When your characters look different every week, how is that good animation?

And whether you know about animation or not, when fans of a franchise are saying that it sucks, that should mean something. Besides, have you forgotten about Pierrot's love of blazing through material and having to rely on huge amounts of filler? Bleach notwithstanding, Naruto's huge amount of filler is due to their lack of knowing how to pace. One piece may not be much better, but I don't see it having to go three years without a cannon episode.

Anywho, we're getting off topic, so I'll end it here. Pierrot isn't really that great, and it's a shame Beelze is being handled by them, but there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. At least OP and ED animation will be pretty good, (which is something Pierrot DOES do well.) and the well animated episodes will be impressive. A shame that they'll be few and far between.

[Goty]

Both Toei and Sunrise blow crappy Studio Pierrot out of the water, easily. Especially when it comes to planning their series.

Anyway, i'm not expecting Beelzebub to be a long running anime, so there's not much to worry there.

[Jaymie]

Well, Tegami Bachi isn't long-running either, but Pierrot drenched the first season in awful fillers.

I hope they do a straight 26-episode adaption from the manga, with no fillers, and not too much cut. Is that too much to ask?

[ChocoBar9]

Dude, have you watched One piece lately?
Honestly based on this comment you haven't, the anime has been quite terrible lately in terms of pacing and animation. the recent episode was pretty decent


And by your own logic, One piece is doing fine. I mean, you're the one who says that not every episode should look amazing right? And Kekkaishi's action scenes were just as well done, if not better than some of Naruto.
Your talking out of your ass now, for the most part Kekkashi's animation was very static and roughly 1/3 or the episodes were poorly done, the least bit of good animation towards 37 and up don't even look as good as Naruto's B team.


Gintama also had some really well done action scenes, not to mention even the comedy episodes had lush backgrounds and solid animation. When your characters look different every week, how is that good animation?
Yeah you're definitely talking out your ass, come back when you actually know what you're talking about


And whether you know about animation or not, when fans of a franchise are saying that it sucks, that should mean something.
Actually it doesn't since like I said the majority of the fanbase don't know shit about animation and judging from your own comments you don't either. One Piece fans has also been complaining about the current state of the anime for oddsome three years the problem is that you've just been citing Narutards for source


Besides, have you forgotten about Pierrot's love of blazing through material and having to rely on huge amounts of filler? Bleach notwithstanding, Naruto's huge amount of filler is due to their lack of knowing how to pace. One piece may not be much better, but I don't see it having to go three years without a cannon episode.
What the hell doe this have to do with anything? Seriously go and look up these terms before you start spouting crap that isn't true
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Both Toei and Sunrise blow crappy Studio Pierrot out of the water, easily. Especially when it comes to planning their series.


I seriously hope this is a jokes, I'm guessing you haven't seen neither Sunrise's or Toei's catalog to make such a retarded statement
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http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/pages/252.html

Brief overview on the most important anime studios from an animation perspective:

-Toei: very profit focused; they have a limit of 3000 key-frames per episode to keep costs down, but they will up to 3500 key-frames on important episodes. Breaking the key-frame per episode limit is only allowed if the director takes key-frames off subsequent episodes. It has connections to many big name animators and directors.

This is actually less than Pierrot, the bulk of Toei's money for animation goes to Pretty Cure nowadays

-Sunrise: huge production company that is divided in small animation studios. Overview of Sunrise's different animation studios:
Studio 1: Toei-style animation production of long-running manga adaptations, works include Kekkashi and Inu Yasha
Studio 2: Widely considered Sunrise's best animation studio, it has a gritty, weighty animation style. Works include Overman King Gainer and Planetes; the studio is currently working on Gundam Unicorn.
Studio 3: TV Gundam-dedicated studio.
Studio 4: Studio currently lead by Goro Taniguchi
Studio 5: Studio dedicated to Gintama, currently under complete reconstruction.
Studio 6: Keroro-dedicated studio.
Studio 7: Brave-series dedicated studio, currently dismantled.
Studio 8: Formed off the remains of Studio 7, studio dedicated to Sunrise's "sci-fi+moe" series. Works include Mai-Hime, Xenoglossia and SoraKake.
Studio 10: Relatively new small studio dedicated to the Dinosaur King franchise series.
Studio 11: New studio filled with young animators; worked on KuroKami and are currently busy with the Gunpla specials.
And for the idiot claiming that Kekkashi and Gintama has better animation may want to check his sources. Seriously, it's obviously not none of you actually know what you're talking about since Studio Pierrot is revered as one of the better animation studios currently running in Japan and has some of the best talent in the biz working for it, my guess is that the majority of you haven't seen anything pass Naruto from them.

[Akiyama]

November 1st ~ 7th

1. One Piece 60 (2,094,123)
2. Naruto 53 (819,243)
3. One Piece Green: Secret Pieces Databook (452,662)
4. Nurarihyon no Mago 13 (175,934)
9. Beelzebub 8 (85,200)
10. Medaka Box 7 (82,789)

[juUnior]

I'm somewhat happy - if this keeps up, Naruto's volume sale will finally reach 1 million copies <3 :p

[Bomber D Rufi]

Honestly based on this comment you haven't, the anime has been quite terrible lately in terms of pacing and animation. the recent episode was pretty decent

Your talking out of your ass now, for the most part Kekkashi's animation was very static and roughly 1/3 or the episodes were poorly done, the least bit of good animation towards 37 and up don't even look as good as Naruto's B team.

Yeah you're definitely talking out your ass, come back when you actually know what you're talking about

Actually it doesn't since like I said the majority of the fanbase don't know shit about animation and judging from your own comments you don't either. One Piece fans has also been complaining about the current state of the anime for oddsome three years the problem is that you've just been citing Narutards for source

What the hell doe this have to do with anything? Seriously go and look up these terms before you start spouting crap that isn't true
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I seriously hope this is a jokes, I'm guessing you haven't seen neither Sunrise's or Toei's catalog to make such a retarded statement
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http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/pages/252.html

Brief overview on the most important anime studios from an animation perspective:

-Toei: very profit focused; they have a limit of 3000 key-frames per episode to keep costs down, but they will up to 3500 key-frames on important episodes. Breaking the key-frame per episode limit is only allowed if the director takes key-frames off subsequent episodes. It has connections to many big name animators and directors.

This is actually less than Pierrot, the bulk of Toei's money for animation goes to Pretty Cure nowadays

-Sunrise: huge production company that is divided in small animation studios. Overview of Sunrise's different animation studios:
Studio 1: Toei-style animation production of long-running manga adaptations, works include Kekkashi and Inu Yasha
Studio 2: Widely considered Sunrise's best animation studio, it has a gritty, weighty animation style. Works include Overman King Gainer and Planetes; the studio is currently working on Gundam Unicorn.
Studio 3: TV Gundam-dedicated studio.
Studio 4: Studio currently lead by Goro Taniguchi
Studio 5: Studio dedicated to Gintama, currently under complete reconstruction.
Studio 6: Keroro-dedicated studio.
Studio 7: Brave-series dedicated studio, currently dismantled.
Studio 8: Formed off the remains of Studio 7, studio dedicated to Sunrise's "sci-fi+moe" series. Works include Mai-Hime, Xenoglossia and SoraKake.
Studio 10: Relatively new small studio dedicated to the Dinosaur King franchise series.
Studio 11: New studio filled with young animators; worked on KuroKami and are currently busy with the Gunpla specials.
And for the idiot claiming that Kekkashi and Gintama has better animation may want to check his sources. Seriously, it's obviously not none of you actually know what you're talking about since Studio Pierrot is revered as one of the better animation studios currently running in Japan and has some of the best talent in the biz working for it, my guess is that the majority of you haven't seen anything pass Naruto from them.

Yeaaah, I still don't see any proof that Pierrot is doing a better job at drawing anything. You say that fillers don't have any thing to do with animation? It does. Being able to draw is only half of the equation. If you're having to do long periods of filler because you're going through source material too quickly, that is a problem.

Your last comment about Naruto cements the fact that you too know that Pierot's animation isn't that great. If one of your lead shows is lacking, why would we want you to take on another one? Especially one that has a halfway decent manga?

You should probably stop licking Pierrot's ass now. It's unhealthy. All I see is Sunrise doing a great job at animating twice as many shows, and that Toei is giving money to a successful franchise.

If I'm wrong, I'd like concrete proof that Pierrot is anything more than crap. I haven't seen any, just a bunch of bashing of other studios. When are you going to quit talking out of your ass and tell me what's so great about Pierrot?

We should probably move it to PM or something, since this isn't the thread for it though.

[Mr. Prince]

Um, dudes, not trying to butt in or anything... but this is getting ridiculously OT. Maybe you should relocate this to Otaku Theater 'cause the thread here's Mag Talk. /2cents
Edit: What BDR said.

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lol @ One Piece... only the sky is the limit! If this keeps up it will sell more than all other JUMP series combined. :rofl /jk
But 2.1 Million in one week is just insane. (And this volume's content isn't even much to speak of...)

[Asarii]

Remember to be respectful towards others and their opinions. If you want to continue the discussion about the quality of animation studios, make a thread for it in the Otaku Theater section. Let's end the discussion here please.

Come on, REBORN! It's better at stories than fights so meh... I'm glad Enigma is doing well already. Fourth is awesome for a series that's been around for less than a year.

Looks like there's no absentees this week. I was starting to get annoyed for some reason. :p

[Rejuvenation]

One Piece continues to throw its weight around. I can only imagine what kind of numbers it could put up a year or two from now.

Medaka has its strongest 1st week yet. That is great to see and I'll enjoy seeing it climb up the sales ladder.

[R4n]

This week's rank is the lowest position for KHR i have ever seen. I would say it is well-deserved, so i am perfectly happy with that. :D
For people who don't read it, i believe the chapter that got ranked contained a very boring and monotonous fight. To make the matter worse, the participants are unpopular characters. Not to mention the art was slightly worse than usual... >__>

[Jaymie]

I'm more surprised at Enigma's ranking. This is almost too good to be true. And I'm paranoid that the author will make one false move and the series will bomb.

[Drmke]

It's mostly since it started as such a mysterious series. I don't see it bombing, but I do see it leveling out more in the middle as the plot becomes clear.

[hdiuy]

I love the ranking for this week's KHR. It got what it deserved; boring fight deserves low ranking.I'm hoping that Amano will learn this time round.

[Asarii]

Yeah, I saw spoilers for that posted a week ago or so... it's a new magazine that combines (popular) series from Shounen JUMP and V JUMP and publishes special stories for them.
[Personally, I couldn't care less about this since the chapters for the series are drawn by different authors/mangaka than the original... well, one could figure as much.]

The target audience are kids.

Edit: Oh, yeah, forgot to add this... the name is Super Strong JUMP (or Saikyou JUMP in Japanese which is literally "Strongest JUMP")
Is JUMP intending to make this a long-running magazine or will this spin-off be published for a limited time? Personally I don't think it'll work in the long term but good luck to WSJ anyway.

I'm curious to see who the mangakas are. Are they professionals? Amateurs?

[R4n]

I googled Toshinori Takayama (the one who did the KHR spinoff) with no results too. At first i thought they are only oneshots, but apparently they are spin off series? i am not sure.
Anybody know how long the spin offs are planned to last?

For me personally, the main issues with that Ryohei vs Aoba chapter is that the fight is uninteresting. To make the issue worse, the drawing was rather... messy. It is kinda hard to follow what is going on. I am saying this not because i bash the series, btw... It really was what make that particular fight one of the worst in the series.

But arguing this is a waste of time anyway. The (fanatic) fans of the series will simply counter argument it to death no matter what. And from the eyes of the fans, we people who dislike the fight will be (blindly) labeled "haters" no matter what.
Let's just end the conversation here. >__>;;


EDIT: why is the two posts before me got deleted? :notrust

[Kizo]

I find this week's ToC pleasingly acceptable. Seeing Enigma so high is refreshing, some missteps from otherwise good series (Beelzebub, Mago) are being appropriately punished, Reborn is finally moving closer to where it belongs (bottom 3), Psyren is saved the indignity of second-to-last (thanks, sadly, to Light Wing), and seeing SWOT in dead last is always immensely satisfying. Good week.

[Kaiten]

Is JUMP intending to make this a long-running magazine or will this spin-off be published for a limited time? Personally I don't think it'll work in the long term but good luck to WSJ anyway.

I'm curious to see who the mangakas are. Are they professionals? Amateurs?

Looks like it will be pro's and a long term spin off, though I don't know the publication rate. There's an article here (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-11-09/shueisha-to-launch-super-strong-jump-mag-for-kids). There will be some original series in it as well.

[Asarii]

I googled Toshinori Takayama (the one who did the KHR spinoff) with no results too. At first i thought they are only oneshots, but apparently they are spin off series? i am not sure.
Anybody know how long the spin offs are planned to last?
Oddly enough I got results from all of them BUT Toshinori Takayama. They all seem to be people who's aspiring to become a professional (?) mangaka.

The one who's doing the Naruto spin-off is quite young. (He's 23.)


Looks like it will be pro's and a long term spin off, though I don't know the publication rate. There's an article here (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-11-09/shueisha-to-launch-super-strong-jump-mag-for-kids). There will be some original series in it as well.
It seems monthly since the price is 580 yen. (JUMP is usually 229 yen.) I wonder if they're trying to attract young elementary school aged children. Like the demographic who reads Korokoro.

[Koshi_Inaba]

Again, can someone actually tells me whether series that has extra pages is ranked or not?

[Kaiten]

Probably not. I personally have no idea if they take a series out of ranking for all specials. Unless one of us secretly works for Shueisha any answer would probably be speculation. Color pages are obvious since they are always in specific parts of the magazine irregardless.

[kewl0210]

Well, I mean, in the actual TOC page they list the stuff with color pages separately on the side, and the "ranked" TOC takes up most of the page. I think that's how people usually define it. But I dunno, I haven't seen one or at least remember regarding that.

[frenzypix]

When Hokenshitsu and oumagadoki had 23 pages they where at the exact same place than they are now, so i guess that they are ranked.

[Drmke]

Yeah I'd just assume anything other than color pages (and maybe cover with no color?) is ranked. I've yet to see a case where a series is normally low but got extra pages and was at the top for just that week.

[Kaiten]

Well, I mean, in the actual TOC page they list the stuff with color pages separately on the side, and the "ranked" TOC takes up most of the page. I think that's how people usually define it. But I dunno, I haven't seen one or at least remember regarding that.

It's been a long time since someone scanned a TOC but I know what your talking about. Anything that's not ranked (be it color pages or w/e) are treated like featured articles and listed separately from the rest of the series. In order to know if the series with 23p. this week are ranked we'd need to see scans of the TOC.

[Mr. Prince]

In order to know if the series with 23p. this week are ranked we'd need to see scans of the TOC.
Well, I have a fair number of issues from this year and when I flipped through the ToC's I saw a few ones where series with increased pages were listed seperately like those with Color Pages.

But nontheless, frenzypix really got a point in what he said. Why put Hokenshitsu and Oumaga in the very same spot they're usually at?

We'll probably never get a definite answer but that argument seems most reasonable to me...

[R4n]

I am not sure if this thread is the right section to ask this... 0__0
Does anyone know where can i get the rest of the scanlated WSJ oneshots? Binktopia only do up till the Sorachi one.

[Newkerzy]

I think they're planning to do Toriyama's too, but I dunno if they have started working on it or have dropped it. If you got a twitter why don't you go ask MS?

[Crude]

I'm not really of Konomi Takeshi's works, but I have to admit that Moonwalker looked pretty interesting and it's something I would like to read. I'm also pretty psyched about reading something Toriyama, regardless of what genre the story might be. I'm a Dragonball fan, but I also like reading his short stories, plus I like his drawing style.

[sir_arles]

I really liked Kintoki, the one shot by Toriyama.

If they serialized it I'd totally read it. Seems like a nice plot which can grow huge given the right time and pace, and we know Akira can have those.

The question is, does he feels like starting another manga? =P

[kewl0210]

I remember hearing a long time ago Toriyama has said that after he finished his one big epic he wasn't planning to do any more series. I guess kind of because of how hard it would be to top Dragonball.

But who knows, maybe he'll change his mind. Or do a short series or something.

[Googlez_kun]

I remember hearing a long time ago Toriyama has said that after he finished his one big epic he wasn't planning to do any more series. I guess kind of because of how hard it would be to top Dragonball.

But who knows, maybe he'll change his mind. Or do a short series or something.

I think he said that he didn't want to do another series,because he disliked the pressure the editors put on him story-wise.In Dragonball for example they begged him to continue after the Freeza-saga and they did not allow him to make Gohan the new main character and put Goku aside.

Kintoki did give me the feeling that it would continue,though.Maybe Toriyama wants to give it another shot?

[v3g374]

I am probably the biggest fan of all the Toriyama fans. Kintoki wasn't the best of Toriyama, I felt he did it only because they asked for it.
I liked it. It could be a very promising series. I hope Toriyama wants to do another series. It was a little too short though.

Guys, guys! Toriyama is best at making everything simple and easy. He's a very lazy man but he's also a genius. I agree the plot was a little too flat, but it was fast had well paced action. And was simply fun! I was dissapointed about the art though. He was reeealy lazy this time.

[Koen]

I am probably the biggest fan of all the Toriyama fans. Kintoki wasn't the best of Toriyama, I felt he did it only because they asked for it.
I liked it. It could be a very promising series. I hope Toriyama wants to do another series. It was a little too short though.

I kinda agree. I didn't like the one shot at all because of several reasons. The length was too short imo. The one shot didn't have a story at all except for the exceptional boy meeting the "exceptional" girl. There was nothing more which I found very disturbing.

[3c]

The oneshot was surprisingly lacking IMO. It had nothing going for it to be honest, it was just boring. It felt like Toriyama made it all within a day and didn't bother putting any effort into it. It's the most basic plot ever. I guess he only made it because he got a lot of requests from Jump, so far I'd rate his oneshot below all the others that I've read from the 'legendary' artists.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

I had mixed thoughts on it. Had some great worldbuilding, but a lot of the plot kinda fell flat.

Though he also had a very limited number of pages do to everything, so it might have been different if there were more.

[CBlitz]

I thought the art was kinda lacking but it was good enough. Hopefully it'll be popular so it can get serialized

[Drmke]

Haven't read his new oneshot yet, but nearly every series he has ever written had a very generic plot. Cowa wasn't that good, Sand Land was alright, and Kajika is in the same boat as Sand Land. Plus, taking a better look at Dragonball will show that it has a very generic, predictable plot as well. I like him as a mangaka most definitely, but he's not really that great.

[Newkerzy]

The oneshot was surprisingly lacking IMO. It had nothing going for it to be honest, it was just boring. It felt like Toriyama made it all within a day and didn't bother putting any effort into it. It's the most basic plot ever. I guess he only made it because he got a lot of requests from Jump, so far I'd rate his oneshot below all the others that I've read from the 'legendary' artists.

I agree that it lacked something, but it still was a good read. I liked it because of its simplicity. Toriyama could've done more, but I guess he doesn't want to get fans' hopes up so that the editorial department doesn't put him through hell again. And besides, if I remember correctly, I hear he's already pushing 50 by now

[some guy]

I remember hearing a long time ago Toriyama has said that after he finished his one big epic he wasn't planning to do any more series. I guess kind of because of how hard it would be to top Dragonball.

But who knows, maybe he'll change his mind. Or do a short series or something.

He's done several short series since Dragonball.

[Rowel]

Moon Walker is the best one shot so far

http://mangastream.com/read/one_shot/71884702/1

Speaking of Kintoki it was nothing special, Bankara was good, Bench is the worst but it is not a surprise

[Newkerzy]

.......What......? A duo of sparkly bishounen with yaoi undertones?? good god, no thanks.....

My ranking for the one-shots:

1. Bankara
2. Kintoki
3. Bench
4. Moon Walker

[ChocoBar9]

Moon Walker is the best one shot so far

http://mangastream.com/read/one_shot/71884702/1

Speaking of Kintoki it was nothing special, Bankara was good, Bench is the worst but it is not a surprise
That's a good joke there. Anyways none of the one-shots were particularly good, if anycase I enjoyed Bankara the best because it was funny for the most part even though it was Sorachi just re-using his trademark style Gintama humor and it wasn't particularly noteworthy. Kintoki was the most disappointing but I expect nothing less from current Toriyama. Moon Walker was terrible if it gets serialized it'll be just another fangirl pandering spectacle like PoT was. Bench was "meh" definitely need some improvement but it's no surprise that the bulk of haters just hate it for the fact that Kishimoto did it. There's still one more to go and I can't say I'm all for it

[cjanez96]

I agree that it lacked something, but it still was a good read. I liked it because of its simplicity. Toriyama could've done more, but I guess he doesn't want to get fans' hopes up so that the editorial department doesn't put him through hell again. And besides, if I remember correctly, I hear he's already pushing 50 by nowhes 55

[Negative Syndicate]

And besides, if I remember correctly, I hear he's already pushing 50 by now

I'm not sure the age really that matters, though. Akimoto is 57 and he's still serializing in weekly magazine, and Mizushima Shinji (author of Dokaben and Abu-san) is 71 (currently oldest mangaka) and he's currently serializing two series (one from weekly and other from monthly).

Furthermore, Hara Tetsuo (illustrator of Hokuto no Ken) still made his serialization, despite of being blind on one eye.

[yushikiroenishi]

That's a good joke there. Anyways none of the one-shots were particularly good, if anycase I enjoyed Bankara the best because it was funny for the most part even though it was Sorachi just re-using his trademark style Gintama humor and it wasn't particularly noteworthy. Kintoki was the most disappointing but I expect nothing less from current Toriyama. Moon Walker was terrible if it gets serialized it'll be just another fangirl pandering spectacle like PoT was. Bench was "meh" definitely need some improvement but it's no surprise that the bulk of haters just hate it for the fact that Kishimoto did it. There's still one more to go and I can't say I'm all for it

There are actually two one shots that have yet to be scanlated Poo by Usuta Kyousuke(Jaguar) and Succeed by Akimoto Osamu (Kochikame). However all six of the stories have been released. Moonwalker and Poo being the two most likely to become series imo, unless Toriyama is really itching to have Kintoki serialized. Three of the six authors have currently long running and successful series. Usuta series has ended and Takeshi only has a monthly series in square atm. Toriyama...well I believe he'll do w/e he feels like, if he wants a series i would guarantee he'll get it.

[ZayCon]

Actually I really liked Kintoki. It has a really simple plot, but that's not really what make Akira's series that good. It's the feeling you get from reading it, which is really good.

1. Kintoki
2. Bench
3. Bankara
4. Moon Walker LTD (Think he's more fit for a sports manga - Bad storytelling, but awesome art)

Still not read: Poh and Succeed

[Negative Syndicate]

If Jump editors planned to do super legends one shots, then I think they should do one shots by: Akimoto; Toriyama; Inoue; Oda; and Kishimoto.

[yushikiroenishi]

If Jump editors planned to do super legends one shots, then I think they should do one shots by: Akimoto; Toriyama; Inoue; Oda; and Kishimoto.

This would be amazing in theory, but the authors have to agree to participate as well.

[ZayCon]

Moonwalker and Poo being the two most likely to become series imo, unless Toriyama is really itching to have Kintoki serialized. Three of the six authors have currently long running and successful series. Usuta series has ended and Takeshi only has a monthly series in square atm. Toriyama...well I believe he'll do w/e he feels like, if he wants a series i would guarantee he'll get it.

True. Even though Naruto is heading for an ending, Kishimoto wouldn't "decide" what to do next already now. And neither Sorachi or Akimoto probably isn't going to do something new.

I don't think Konomi would do something at the same time he's doing Prince of Tennis though. I don't know why it is monthly now, but isn't it because he didn't want the weekly pressure of doing one chapter a week?

Usuta on the other hand would probably do something new soon. Think you are quite right about Toriyama. He could probably do what he want. I would love to see another long weekly running manga by Toriyama!

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Yeah I thought Moon Walker was ungodly terrible, sorry to say.

As things currently stand, I'd probably rank them Bankara > Kintoki > Bench > Moon Walker. Really wanna see AKimoto's and Usuta's though, seems like they kind of got lost in the mix.

[ZayCon]

What is Saikyo Jun bu!! btw? It was listed on the "this week in shonen jump"-list on www.shonenjumo.com, but I havn't heard anyone talk about it on this forum yet.

New serie? One-shot?

[Mr. Prince]

What is Saikyo Jun bu!! btw? It was listed on the "this week in shonen jump"-list on www.shonenjumo.com, but I havn't heard anyone talk about it on this forum yet.
Nothing interesting... big special to promote Strongest JUMP (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2162173#post2162173).

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As for the Super Legends One-shots, is someone planning to do Usuta's? I haven't read it yet but if it turns out good and I'm bored I might consider doing it, seeing how I've caught up with Oumaga on JUMP.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Furthermore, Hara Tetsuo (illustrator of Hokuto no Ken) still made his serialization, despite of being blind on one eye.

...Holy shit so it was a manga of pure manliness being drawn out of pure manliness.

As for the one shots, I liked Moon Walker the best. It had a good story, characters and setting. As for the "yaoi" undertones, so having two male main characters makes your story yaoi?

It's just a pure bromance!

Bench felt awful to me, and Kintoki felt bland. Bankara was amazing though.

[Steffan]

Wow you guys are tough customers.

I agree that Kintoki was kinda boring and nothing new, but the other ones were good imo.
Moonwalker was very long and the story was clever and new. That, and the art was great as usual.
Bench was just fine too, in my opinion. Nothing special, but I honestly don't get the "KISHI FAILS LULULUL" comments... It's a regular sports manga and it has a good set of characters. They all had their background stories and stuff, and the main character had that "Shonen Jump Determination" thing going on.
Haven't read Bankara yet, though, so I can't say anything about that.

Anyway, yeah. You guys? Tough customers.

[cjanez96]

Moon Walker was actually pretty good. I didnt think it was THAT bad
1. Kintoki
2. Bankara
3. Bench
4. Moon Walker

Overall, these were all pretty good. Kintoki gave me a nostalgic feeling. it was like reading Dragon Ball all over again. I really want this to get serialized.