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Mushashi
December 07, 2009, 06:59 PM
This is a thread where we look at, what started manga, how manga has evolved, what has influenced mangaka's and the main age there mangas were aimed at.

Tezuka's Work The greatest Robot on earth (astro boy) in the US, is considerd the first mangas that influenced millions. it was not the first japanese comic but the first to be recognized and adored around the world. Astro Boy has spawned many adaptions feature length movies made in america. 2 versions of large scale anime's and many manga adaptions. Tezuka is considered the 'God of manga'
http://timmaughanbooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/blackJack2.jpg

This is a new adaption Featuring Astro called Pluto Written by Urawsara
this is a comparison of the pluto drawings with tezuka's original.
http://www.du9.org/IMG/jpg/Pluto-Comparaison.jpg
After Astro Boy not the next but the most recognized, non Tezuka manga Production was Dragon Ball, Toriyama was a big fan of tezuka and said tezuka was the one who got him into manga.
Here is an Eg of Dragonball
http://www.narbonic.com/dragonball.jpg
Dragon Ball Has Been Translated into many different Languages, has a second series called Dragon Ball Z, has also been one of the most popular anime's of all time.

In the early 90s there was a sports manga called Slam Dunk, From Takeshi inoue (now the creator of vagabond and REAL). Takeshi inoue was influenced into manga by toryiama, and has influenced manga others in his time. slam dunk really started off basketball in japan, turned it from an 'off' westernized sport into a passionit college played sport accepted and enjoyed in japanese schools.
Kishimoto the creator of Naruto, was a fan of dragonball when he was 8 years old. he use to save up his weekly allouence and buy a dragonb ball every month. when he was slightly older he started reading slam dunk which inspired him to draw a baseball manga (rejected).
Here is an eg. of 'Slam Dunk'
http://tu.tv/imagenes/videos/s/l/slam-dunk-cap-final-en-manga_imagenGrande.jpg

In 97 One Peice started (the top selling manga in japan today)
and in 99 Naruto started (top selling manga in the US, second in japan)

Oda who wrote one peice was heavily influenced by Toriyama, and his favorite manga was Dr. Slump (toryiama's debut searilized work before dragon ball) Oda's early work in onepeice is quite like dragonball.
http://www.fungabble.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/one-piece-manga-554-5.jpg

Kishimoto's Naruto
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6614/naruto428page002eg9.jpg
I am aware that this post could be much longer, thats what you guys are for, if you have any neat info of how manga has changed through time, and what authors were inspirised off who. then post away.

slippy
December 08, 2009, 01:50 AM
i think this was an interesting post and it's nice to see where mangaka get their inspiration. i love Pluto but never read Astroboy so that comparison picture was pretty shocking seeing how similar characters looked even when drawn by different mangaka.

Mushashi
December 09, 2009, 07:56 PM
thanks i also thought that pic was very interesting, its been years since ive flicked through tezuka's original. but urawsara has definetly done a good job.
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nice work mushashi, you've hit the biggest ones (although I think Kishimoto doesn't really fit....)
well, there are tons of stuff I could add-on, but I think I'll do someone who is not that big of an influence, but I still find him to be one of my favorites, and did contribute a fair amount: Nobuhiro Watsuki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobuhiro_Watsuki).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/Watsuki.jpg
he is most well known (and arguable his only hit) is Rurouni Kenshin (http://www.onemanga.com/Rurouni_Kenshin/).
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000127/logo.jpghttp://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4910/rurounikenshinkanzenbanmv3.jpg
ifs not as big as Dragonball, SLAM DUNK, or One Piece, but it managed to become one of the classic samurai manga, and lived through the dark days of JUMP after Slam Dunk and Dragonball ended. (kind of filled in the gap)

what I want to mention most is about his mentors and his influences to other mangaka.
He worked as an assistant under Takeshi Obata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeshi_Obata) (artist of Hikaru no Go, Death Note, Bakuman) and was inspired by others such as Osamu Tezuka and Fujiko F. Fujio. From looking at some of his character designs, we can obviously see that he is also influenced by Marvel comics.
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000127/00000024/02.jpg
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000127/00000255/08-09.jpg

now his assistants are the big part.
from what I know(based on an assistant map), he managed to have 7 of his assistants get serialized. the most popular ones being Oda Eiichiro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiichiro_Oda) (One Piece), and Hiroyuki Takei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroyuki_Takei) (Shaman King, ULTIMO). so he is pretty good at producing mangakas :D
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000127/00000161/08.jpg
after Rurouni Kenshin, he did Busou Renkin, which managed to get an anime, but wasn't that big of a hit. Now he is serialized in Jump SQ, with his latest manga Embalming.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/df/Buso_Renkin_vol_01.jpg/230px-Buso_Renkin_vol_01.jpg
- Embalming -
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000203/logo.jpg

so thats it about Watsuki. I guess we could do one for Takeshi Obata about his assistants and his influence on modern manga art, or get away from JUMP and talk about the manga(Love Hina, GTO, RAVE, etc) that brought the golden days of Weekly Shounen Magazine when they surpassed WSJ after Dragonball & Slam Dunk ended.

EDIT: oh! i completely forgot about a fun fact.
Naruto's first chapter and RuroKen's last chapter were actually on the same issue of WSJ.
- Watsuki's Congratulation art for Naruto's 10th year anniversary- (Watsuki talks about RuroKen passing on the "spirit/tradition" of JUMP to Naruto)
http://imagefruity.com/images/nfktnyre0kc23jstyjb_thumb.jpg (http://imagefruity.com/viewer.php?file=nfktnyre0kc23jstyjb.jpg)

This was posted by Ruggia on www.onemanga.com otaku forum all credit goes to him it was such a good post in my thread i thought you guys deserved to see it to, Thanks for the effort Ruggia

Ustegius
December 11, 2009, 02:50 PM
Well, there is a significant age difference in the target audiences of Astro Boy and Pluto, so that's what also further marks the difference between artists styles.

The opening post but a lot of weight on the coming of manga to the rest of the world, thus I just need to pick up Katsuhiro Otomo (Akira), and Keiji Nakazawa (Barefoot Gen). Especially the first mentioned had a huge effect on the western comic circles. There was a huge coming of dark toned comics (Watchmen, Dark Knight,) in the late 80's, and Otomo also struck western world in the same wave. Akira was detaildly drawn heavy sci-fi epic, with lots of message to the readers too. Mainly considering drugs, as drug use started to rapidly grow in the 80's.

Nakazawa hit kinda in the opposite camp of comic nerds, as it was extremely pacifistic. In the end most of those dark series were too, but Barefoot Gen didn't use violence itself to convey the message. Or, it kinda did use, but in a very realistic sense. It never really hit the mainstream, but lots of critics all over the world well in love with Nakazawas drama, which so greatly portrayed real human feelings. It really shocked the western audiences, since the very childiss cartoonish look still carried such a heavy-weight story with it. I think it had a big meaning with the developement of comics aimed at older audiences. It proved, that comics can be as 'big' as novels, and that comics are not necessarily only a form of entertainment to little brats.

Mushashi
December 11, 2009, 06:19 PM
Thanks for the post, Akira definetly did have an impact, and i didnt know about some of the stuff you posted (?!?) Thanks again