One Piece 569 Discussion / 570 Prediction

[_AceOfSpades_]

Isnt supernovas comming ?

Well, that's what I thought at first, too ... but then I considered the possibility of them moving on to the fishman island, instead of Marineford, that would explain the "Let's go" and "We're setting sail" from Urouge and Law. I doubt that they would gain anything by helping out either side, WB or Marines. Oh well, that would make the possibility fifty-fifty for me. They might come, or they might not. Who knows?

[ajaxsoccerjon]

I guess if you want to put them on the same level as luffy that makes sense. But I agree they wont change the tide of battle too much, i guess just make Sengoku jump in.I mean we know nothing about what he does. THe only thing I know is that he has a goat. WTF?!

[Evec]

something just popped into my head right now reading about sengoku's goat... might be a retarded idea but.. haha

what if, sengoku had a df that lets him somehow "fuse" with the goat? maybe thats what the awakened zoan type is.. instead of just transforming into the animal you somehow combine with it to increase your strength/power even more

[nicodelaiterra]

I am curious why everyone keeps mentioning the super nova rookies making an appearence in this fight. Aren't they all accounted for on Shabondy? There is no way they could make it to the battle before it ends (barring any crazy teleportation DF).

For next chapter I think we will get a flashback that reveals what Kuma told the Dark King before he launched the SHs to their different islands. The reason being, in my opinion, to send everyone to place they could get stronger.

[Poneglyph420]

I am curious why everyone keeps mentioning the super nova rookies making an appearence in this fight. Aren't they all accounted for on Shabondy? There is no way they could make it to the battle before it ends (barring any crazy teleportation DF).

For next chapter I think we will get a flashback that reveals what Kuma told the Dark King before he launched the SHs to their different islands. The reason being, in my opinion, to send everyone to place they could get stronger.


Please go on wikipedia and look at a map of how close Shabondy and MHQ really are, You could almost swim between the two. Also several crews are setting sail as we speak, sure we don't know why..but we can theorize.
I'd assume guys like Law and Kid would want to be there for the event of a lifetime, but maybe not Capone Bege or Bonney who can't stop crying...

I do tend to agree that Kuma was telling Rayleigh his plan to help the SH get to places to improve themselves. The SH only made it in Thriller Bark based on a team effort (and nightmare Luffy)...
They all need to improve or the New World would be their doom IMO.

But if that's the next chapter, I'll send you my copy of Chapter 0...

[_AceOfSpades_]

I am curious why everyone keeps mentioning the super nova rookies making an appearence in this fight. Aren't they all accounted for on Shabondy? There is no way they could make it to the battle before it ends (barring any crazy teleportation DF).

For next chapter I think we will get a flashback that reveals what Kuma told the Dark King before he launched the SHs to their different islands. The reason being, in my opinion, to send everyone to place they could get stronger.

No, not quite true in my opinion > < As it was mentioned - Marinford is close to Shabondy, so the distance wouldn't be a real problem here, but still - I agree that it's not certain yet that the supernovas are heading for Marinford.
The close distance is also the reason why I think that Rayleigh is bound to make an appearance in this fight, or at least he's involved somehow.
I also would like to know the details of what Kuma told Rayleigh -_-
Somehow I wonder whether Garp is behind everything and sent Kuma off to get Luffy out of the way/ in safety because he was being tracked by an admiral and there would be a war soon( Ace's executon, WB etc.). I thought of it, because Garp decided to deal with Rayleigh himself and ordered not to tell Sengoku about it. Even though it's out of character for Garp, I wonder whether he's helping from the shandows O o
And, the next chapter should be out in a few days, Wednesday (probably), first spoilers are expected to come out on the day after tomorrow ( correct me if I got it wrong) even though the early spoilers are usually fake ...

[Poneglyph420]

Interesting idea about Garp having some role in the "Kuma Incident" We are nearing the resolution of the war... so we should see what secrets have been lurking "in the shadows".

http://www.shonenjump.com/e/weeklyshonenjump/next.html
Based on this we should have a new chapter in the next weeks time...
Woot Woot!

[Anusnymous]

Maybe the Supernovae simply act as transporters? All the fighting pirates have to get away from the HQ again and if I remember correctly a few ships were destroyed.

[Black Lagoon]

No, not quite true in my opinion > < As it was mentioned - Marinford is close to Shabondy, so the distance wouldn't be a real problem here, but still - I agree that it's not certain yet that the supernovas are heading for Marinford.
The close distance is also the reason why I think that Rayleigh is bound to make an appearance in this fight, or at least he's involved somehow.
I also would like to know the details of what Kuma told Rayleigh -_-
Somehow I wonder whether Garp is behind everything and sent Kuma off to get Luffy out of the way/ in safety because he was being tracked by an admiral and there would be a war soon( Ace's executon, WB etc.). I thought of it, because Garp decided to deal with Rayleigh himself and ordered not to tell Sengoku about it. Even though it's out of character for Garp, I wonder whether he's helping from the shandows O o
And, the next chapter should be out in a few days, Wednesday (probably), first spoilers are expected to come out on the day after tomorrow ( correct me if I got it wrong) even though the early spoilers are usually fake ...

I think it's pretty clear that he did it for the Strawhats safety, because Kizaru was about to finish Zoro when Kuma interfered and "paw pawed them away", and even if it's not as it seems, I guess he wanted them to stay a live to have a little talk with them in a right time (I mean, to have a nice calm talk with them in a calming atmosphere ^_^) and I don't care if he'll do it personally or someone will have that "friendly talk", because if he was aware of what will happen to him, then I think ... he wouldn't have done such a thing or at least he would have tried to contact them after "paw pawing them" into one place. This only makes sense to what he said "we will never meet again".

As for Kuma and Rayleigh, if it's not the this joke (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1715405&postcount=787), then I guess it goes beyond what we can imagine :P, because if he really works for Dragon (Or doing a favor to him) then IMO it's pretty obvious, he gave them the Government permission to do whatever they want with his body to steal highly classified information, well the word steal I guess it's not appropriate, I'd rather say lets the the World Government introduce/save those highly classified information in his memory (Because as a complete cyborg they wouldn't doubt him, in fact they'd let him know everything to perform at his maximum level), So he told Rayleigh that he's trying to overthrow the World Government from the inside, and what he's going through, so once his memory is erased and filled with what the WG wanted him to know, he can recover his memory (he told Rayleigh how to do it).

And for the supernovas, now that everything has been said (many theory ... since the day they were shown), I'll throw another theory ^_^, right now the entire attention of the world is on the war, so they can make it without any trouble to the New World, and without mentioning the broadcast ... I mean there's no show :o (:fan)

And to conclude, the spoilers are going to be out on the second week of this month which means next Week, Akainu said it clear in One Piece 570 Spoiler Pics and Summaries Thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56335)

and please let stay on topic, all this stuff can be discussed in the Mega Convo, well some of it :p, let the mods enjoy their vacations and have a little break :p

[k-dom]

No, not quite true in my opinion > < As it was mentioned - Marinford is close to Shabondy, so the distance wouldn't be a real problem here, but still - I agree that it's not certain yet that the supernovas are heading for Marinford.
The close distance is also the reason why I think that Rayleigh is bound to make an appearance in this fight, or at least he's involved somehow.
I also would like to know the details of what Kuma told Rayleigh -_-


it's close but we saw that they departed only when the broadcast was shut down, so that is quite late wrt the current event. I'm more expecting someone who is already here, maybe as a clifhanger of next chapter

[Super Angillis]

About Sengoku's goat... Could it be like Lassoo and Funkfreed? A weapon that was fed a DF? Seems possible to me.

[ajaxsoccerjon]

About Sengoku's goat... Could it be like Lassoo and Funkfreed? A weapon that was fed a DF? Seems possible to me.

If it is i just hope sengoku also has some sort of ability, because a goat cant be too powerful, can it? I mean, Funkfreed wasnt extremely powerful was it? It managed to keep Robin in check simple because she couldnt use her abilities.

[iFrozt]

just wondering, does seastone work on df fruit abilities? lets say...
can an earthquake/tremor strong enough break seastone cuffs?
cause then whitebeard could use his ability on marco's cuffs

[elitefox]

If it is i just hope sengoku also has some sort of ability, because a goat cant be too powerful, can it? I mean, Funkfreed wasnt extremely powerful was it? It managed to keep Robin in check simple because she couldnt use her abilities.

I think it there will be a great difference if Garp used funkfreed than that moron using it.:eyeroll

[gesgift]

just wondering, does seastone work on df fruit abilities? lets say...
can an earthquake/tremor strong enough break seastone cuffs?
cause then whitebeard could use his ability on marco's cuffs

Even if that could happen, Marco would probably also suffer WB's attack, seeing that on the start of the attack he's still wearing the cuffs...

[jiminy]

Even if that could happen, Marco would probably also suffer WB's attack, seeing that on the start of the attack he's still wearing the cuffs...

I think WB can focus his power into a specific area, like what he did to the giant wearing a mask that attacked him. So, it could be plausible that he is able to focus it at the seastone cuffs. Though that would mean he may have to be touching the cuffs...

Cant wait for the next chapter. Whitebeard better step it up a notch before his time is up. Seeing how Luffy has made more of an impact than WB has and WB taking verbal abuse from both Akainu and Kizaru, he better be going for the kill to ensure the safety of his children.

[elitefox]

I think WB can focus his power into a specific area, like what he did to the giant wearing a mask that attacked him. So, it could be plausible that he is able to focus it at the seastone cuffs. Though that would mean he may have to be touching the cuffs...

Cant wait for the next chapter. Whitebeard better step it up a notch before his time is up. Seeing how Luffy has made more of an impact than WB has and WB taking verbal abuse from both Akainu and Kizaru, he better be going for the kill to ensure the safety of his children.

trash talking makes you more confident lol even in lan games... :D


well admirals are really powerful, they did find quite a handy DF's
magma light ice smoke rusty jail can't remember anymore :D

[Black Lagoon]

I think WB can focus his power into a specific area, like what he did to the giant wearing a mask that attacked him. So, it could be plausible that he is able to focus it at the seastone cuffs. Though that would mean he may have to be touching the cuffs...

I don't think he's going to get that far, it'd more effective if Marco or someone else just cuts his hand, and the phoenix ability will take care of the rest (Regenerate his hand). As easy as this IMO

[jiminy]

I don't think he's going to get that far, it'd more effective if Marco or someone else just cuts his hand, and the phoenix ability will take care of the rest (Regenerate his hand). As easy as this IMO

I agree that that will be the most effective way of freeing marco from the cuffs. But this may be up to Oda. Can Marco's DF regenerate his hand if it was cut off while his DF is negated?

Another way to look at this can be, hypothetically speaking, if Marco was missing an arm prior to eating the phoenix fruit and after he eats the fruit, will his missing arm be regenerated?

maybe Im looking too far into it haha

[Lord Rayleigh]

dont forget about his death wink and galaxy wink. he stopped one of kizaru's blast with it, and with his galaxy wink, he dealt a serious blow to kuma. invnkov is a beast
About a death wink stopping kizaru's laser-explosion, I've never seen that in the MHQ war. If it is really what I think about, Ivankov used his death wink on Luffy to push him away from the explosion.

[Black Lagoon]

I agree that that will be the most effective way of freeing marco from the cuffs. But this may be up to Oda. Can Marco's DF regenerate his hand if it was cut off while his DF is negated?

Another way to look at this can be, hypothetically speaking, if Marco was missing an arm prior to eating the phoenix fruit and after he eats the fruit, will his missing arm be regenerated?

maybe Im looking too far into it haha

well, it's a good occasion, chance, opportunity or whatever to see the power of a real phoenix and how it works, I think that Oda won't throw away an occasion like this, Marco is Phoenix so let him use his own power. :eyeroll

[Auditore]

What does the 2nd week of Jan. mean?

4 Jan.-10 Jan. or 11 jan.- 17 jan.


It's the later one: 11-17 Jan.

If anyone have question regarding the break, feel free to PM me directly. But no more talking about this here, please.

[elitefox]

What does the 2nd week of Jan. mean?

4 Jan.-10 Jan. or 11 jan.- 17 jan.

I think it is the later...

2nd week means a 2nd full week I think:darn
(hope I am wrong lol)

[Finale]

I dont remember seeing Sengoku's goat in chapter 0 so i dont think it is used in his fighting style. Im going to make a crazy prediction and say that the Goat is actually admiral Kong in his zoan form. Or the goat is one of sengoku's spies and thats how he forms his strategies.

[_AceOfSpades_]

I agree that that will be the most effective way of freeing marco from the cuffs. But this may be up to Oda. Can Marco's DF regenerate his hand if it was cut off while his DF is negated?

Another way to look at this can be, hypothetically speaking, if Marco was missing an arm prior to eating the phoenix fruit and after he eats the fruit, will his missing arm be regenerated?

maybe Im looking too far into it haha

yeah, I would like to know the effects of Zoan too - -
I looked into wiki and there was a difference between "awakened zoan" (impel down) which are supposed to be able to regenerate really fast, aside from that there is "ancient zoan" and "mythical zoan", "carnivorous zoan" so ~ I wonder whether it's the translation to blame or why the hell are there such particular differences? The "ancient" and "mythical" types seems the same to me. And the "awakened" part means just that it's a human who is using his Zoan DF powers and transformed. For that reason I thought that all Zoan users are able to regenerate once they "awakened"/ transformed. But it seems like I got it all wrong -_- Someone please clarify. Wiki is reliable most of the time, but some things seem just wrong. Wiki's definition of "Will of D" was disproofed quite beautifully by Ace's earnest face in the latest chapter -_-
In case I went off topic again sry and please ignore it.
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Either way, my prediction is: Marco and Joz are going to be saved. Can't be sure about WB though.
I think that Luffy ought to be the one to free Ace, or at least the key he got from Boa is going to be used. Anything else would make it useless. Oda wouldn't go through the trouble of giving Luffy the key, unless ... oh well, he might as well be toying with our expectations.
I don't think that the goat is Kong -_- Kong was the former fleet admiral, was he not? why the hell is he supposed to be an admiral now? I'm gonna make a crazy prediction as well and say that Kong retired or is already dead.

[chess4]

yeah, I would like to know the effects of Zoan too - -
I looked into wiki and there was a difference between "awakened zoan" (impel down) which are supposed to be able to regenerate really fast, aside from that there is "ancient zoan" and "mythical zoan", "carnivorous zoan" so ~ I wonder whether it's the translation to blame or why the hell are there such particular differences? The "ancient" and "mythical" types seems the same to me. And the "awakened" part means just that it's a human who is using his Zoan DF powers and transformed. For that reason I thought that all Zoan users are able to regenerate once they "awakened"/ transformed. But it seems like I got it all wrong -_- Someone please clarify. Wiki is reliable most of the time, but some things seem just wrong. Wiki's definition of "Will of D" was disproofed quite beautifully by Ace's earnest face in the latest chapter -_-
In case I went off topic again sry and please ignore it.
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Either way, my prediction is: Marco and Joz are going to be saved. Can't be sure about WB though.
I think that Luffy ought to be the one to free Ace, or at least the key he got from Boa is going to be used. Anything else would make it useless. Oda wouldn't go through the trouble of giving Luffy the key, unless ... oh well, he might as well be toying with our expectations.
I don't think that the goat is Kong -_- Kong was the former fleet admiral, was he not? why the hell is he supposed to be an admiral now? I'm gonna make a crazy prediction as well and say that Kong retired or is already dead.


the only way marco and jozu survive is if help shows up. WB is struggling trying to even stay on his feet, and luffy's is trying to get to ace, so he will not have time to help them. all the other commanders are protecting WB. invonkov is going to stick by luffy, and lets not forget kizaru and aokiji are guarding them. also akainu is still lurking out there.

the only way i see those 2 surviving without help arriving is if luffy can get to ace and set him free, then garp has a change of heart and helps the WB alliance. if ace can unfreeze jozu and someone can free marco then maybe they have a shot of winning

[shluffy]

luffy and hancock possess the king's haki. but doesn't shanks also possess the king's haki?

[zagorka]

It's not confirmed 100%, but we can logically come up with an assumption that both Shanks and Rayleigh have it. We've seen evidence what it does, so it's pretty certain, but because Haki/Kings Haki hasn't been explained yet, we can't state that they do.

[monkey D luffy]

well actually we havent. boa hencock never K.Oed someone with haki so it is more then possible not unique to king's disposition, the fact that she recognized it and still didnt use that trait might point that although its the same kind of haki it might have different features, but as ive said many times in the past stop posting your opinions like they are 100% true! its annoying!

[maxikki]

i think that squad might do somethin gto prevent Ace or WB's death. the chapters might go from bad thinks going to good things. they showed marco and jos being defeated, but they wouldnt be division captains if they were that weak. they will probably find a way to free themselves from their current situation. Coby got overkilled by Luffy, i think that coby should eat a zoan DF, remember what rob lucci said about zoan df. he said that they are the best when it comes to increasing the physical strength of the individual. or he should learn more rokushiki techniques. i wonder if the other strawhats will appear on this arc, because that would be a turning point for this fight. to see the others with a power up would be pretty interesting. a new body for franky, ussop becoming more like his father who appears to have the same attitude like ussop (the lying part). i think that if luffy learns to use haki properly during this fight he mihtbe able to fight properly against the admirals like Dark King Silver did when he fought against kizaru.

[Darkever]

Joz has been frozen and both his arms have been cut from the body. He is so dead. I don't see any way he can recover after that.

Marco can still regenerates if someone removes the seastone handcuffs. Still, I hope he puts up some challenge even without his DF... his performance until now has been quite deluding.

Btw I'm dying to see what Smoker, Aokiji, Akainu and Kizaru could do if they were handcuffed with seastone. ALL logias we saw up until now didn't last long after losing their AlmightyYouCantTouchMe power (Croc? Enel? Ace-kun?). Oh, and they still could use all their other powers. Man, logias are so unfair (But that's one more point for beating them! ^_^)

[monkey D luffy]

i doubt they will go down so easily even if they can be hurt, they are very experienced in fighting and i think that even though they lose an a distinct advantage they can still put up quite a fight.

next chapter i predict that the battle continues. i have no other prediction its hard to predict what'll happen next

[johnnyb7]

why is it that everyone is so positive that ace will live as if it was a given? everyone seems to think that luffy's going to save ace, well i for one disagree.

PREDICTION

1) Luffy will rage, and kick some serious ass
2) It won't be enough and he will eventually be overpowered and get his own ass kicked
3) Ace will die smiling after seeing his little brothers power
4) Whitebeard will die soon after, but will save luffy beforehand, putting his faith in the grand age of pirates into him
5) Luffy will be crushed with the loss of his brother, but will becoming even stronger to protect his crew

This is what i had guessed would happen at the beginning of this arc, I still hold by that I think this or something close to it will happen.

Anyone disagree? Agree?

[Youbba]

why is it that everyone is so positive that ace will live as if it was a given? everyone seems to think that luffy's going to save ace, well i for one disagree.

PREDICTION

1) Luffy will rage, and kick some serious ass
2) It won't be enough and he will eventually be overpowered and get his own ass kicked
3) Ace will die smiling after seeing his little brothers power
4) Whitebeard will die soon after, but will save luffy beforehand, putting his faith in the grand age of pirates into him
5) Luffy will be crushed with the loss of his brother, but will becoming even stronger to protect his crew

This is what i had guessed would happen at the beginning of this arc, I still hold by that I think this or something close to it will happen.

Anyone disagree? Agree?


Well There is no doubts that after this war, a new era will began, Oda said it himself :"Whoever wins, Whoever loses. This era will come to an end"
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/18-19/

A lot of people are saying that the new era will result from the death of WB, Then in the new era, the WG will gain power while the pirates will be losing it.
BUT what if the genius Oda decide to do the opposite. The Marines will be the losers, Luffy has finally used his haki, if Rayleigh or Shanks join the battle the Marines are Done. Ace and WB may survive this war.
The new era will be a pirate's era even greater than this "golden age of piracy". I'm not saying that the WG will be annihilated, but he will lose most of his power in paricular the end of the shichibukai.
The new era will be a race between the pirates for the title of the pirates king, Meanwhile the revolutionnary will have an equal confrontation with the WG.

[Zatono]

PREDICTION

1) Luffy will rage, and kick some serious ass
2) It won't be enough and he will eventually be overpowered and get his own ass kicked
3) Ace will die smiling after seeing his little brothers power
4) Whitebeard will die soon after, but will save luffy beforehand, putting his faith in the grand age of pirates into him
5) Luffy will be crushed with the loss of his brother, but will becoming even stronger to protect his crew

This is what i had guessed would happen at the beginning of this arc, I still hold by that I think this or something close to it will happen.

Anyone disagree? Agree?

If Ace dies, then Luffy would probably end up holding some crazy vendetta against the marines. I know it's ridiculously out of character for him, but I'm sure his brothers life is important enough to him that he'll want to destroy them, like his father.

Also, we still have to wait for the arrival of the supernovas, in addition to the possible appearances of Rayleigh, Dragon, or both.

Rayleigh can keep at least one admiral at bay, we know that, and if Luffy's uncontrolled Haki can take down random marines like that, then wouldn't it be possible for Rayleigh's to take down some of the weaker VA's with his? He could even go and suicide run in to get Ace, and get him back close to the pirates before dying if he really wanted to, maybe.

[johnnyb7]

If Ace dies, then Luffy would probably end up holding some crazy vendetta against the marines. I know it's ridiculously out of character for him, but I'm sure his brothers life is important enough to him that he'll want to destroy them, like his father.

Also, we still have to wait for the arrival of the supernovas, in addition to the possible appearances of Rayleigh, Dragon, or both.

Rayleigh can keep at least one admiral at bay, we know that, and if Luffy's uncontrolled Haki can take down random marines like that, then wouldn't it be possible for Rayleigh's to take down some of the weaker VA's with his? He could even go and suicide run in to get Ace, and get him back close to the pirates before dying if he really wanted to, maybe.

No, no, no. First off, the supernovas won't show up, they JUST showed them at the archipelago, how fast do you expect them to get there? Also what reason would they have for going there? They'll mind their own business. I say Rayleigh may show up, but if he does he's only going to save some people (luffy and buggy i say). Also, Luffy's haki is more powerful than Rayleighs, he just doesn't know how to use it. Dragon won't show up just because I think he'll be seriously introduced later on, and will fight the government when they're weaker.

[Zatono]

No, no, no. First off, the supernovas won't show up, they JUST showed them at the archipelago, how fast do you expect them to get there? Also what reason would they have for going there? They'll mind their own business. I say Rayleigh may show up, but if he does he's only going to save some people (luffy and buggy i say). Also, Luffy's haki is more powerful than Rayleighs, he just doesn't know how to use it. Dragon won't show up just because I think he'll be seriously introduced later on, and will fight the government when they're weaker.


Alright, why would the supernovas be shown in the first place then? Just to take up pages? Secondly, what proof do you have to back up Luffy's haki being more powerful then Rayleigh's? Both Haki's are doing the same thing, meaning they're knocking people out. I don't really know about Dragon, but if there was ever a chance in taking out the WG once and for all, I'd think it'd be now, especially if his co-leader is there too.

[johnnyb7]

Alright, why would the supernovas be shown in the first place then? Just to take up pages? Secondly, what proof do you have to back up Luffy's haki being more powerful then Rayleigh's? Both Haki's are doing the same thing, meaning they're knocking people out. I don't really know about Dragon, but if there was ever a chance in taking out the WG once and for all, I'd think it'd be now, especially if his co-leader is there too.

The supernovas could have been shown for the sake of noting they're still alive, and Luffy will encounter them in the new world.

I say Luffy's haki is stronger because he has a higher ambition, he wants to become the pirate king. None-the-less Rayleigh could still probably kick his and anyone else's ass except the top people (Garp, Sengoku).

I agree this would be a good time to take out the WG once and for all, but he didn't know his co-leader was there, and the WG would have noticed if the revolutionaries had made a move. Also I just don't think Oda wants to introduce him yet. I think Dragon would be a cool character to introduce much later on.

[Vadz]

The supernovas could have been shown for the sake of noting they're still alive, and Luffy will encounter them in the new world.

I say Luffy's haki is stronger because he has a higher ambition, he wants to become the pirate king. None-the-less Rayleigh could still probably kick his and anyone else's ass except the top people (Garp, Sengoku).

I agree this would be a good time to take out the WG once and for all, but he didn't know his co-leader was there, and the WG would have noticed if the revolutionaries had made a move. Also I just don't think Oda wants to introduce him yet. I think Dragon would be a cool character to introduce much later on.

You can't say just by knowing luffy wants to be a pirate king then he possesses a haki = king's haki.
boa who doesn't even want to be the pirate king stll possesses the king's haki.
well what we know now for ones who have king's haki are luffy and boa.

I predict the next chapter will be where Marco and Jose go back in action.
Marco could just cut his hand off, and regenerate with his phoenix's flame.
and for Jose, hmm... I mean like, hes a diamond alright. don't tell me diamond can break apart even after gets frozen. thats damn impossible coz thats the hardest material in the world. he has an indestructible body.
Well for WB, I'd say hes dying now. Stabbed + Hit by Magma + Heart Attack = GG.

[msg]

You guys do realise that jozu was being freeze when he was in a "human" form right?...not in a "diamond" form.I can't believed many people says he is in a diamond form.He's being distracted by an injured Marco and WB.Look again (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/569/07/).:eyeroll.I've looked at the panel again and just realised both of his arm cracked..Yes both of his left and right arm.He's dead meat if he's a paramecia..lol

[johnnyb7]

You guys do realise that jozu was being freeze when he was in a "human" form right?...not in a "diamond" form.I can't believed many people says he is in a diamond form.He's being distracted by an injured Marco and WB.Look again (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/569/07/).:eyeroll.I've looked at the panel again and just realised both of his arm cracked..Yes both of his left and right arm.He's dead meat if he's a paramecia..lol

Actually I hadn't looked at that picture in that much detail, they're not just cracked, they've broken off. His right arm at least, in the picture is completely severed from his body. Shit. He's actually dead i think. He can't grow a new arm no matter how you look at it.

So Jozu is dead....damn....

[moonster x]

even without arm he can still fight if he was unfrozen... look at shanks. He be a yonkou even without his left arm... i just say jos is not dead yet.. come on guys... there no dead people in one piece... except in the past...maybe not yet...;)

[Poneglyph420]

Jozu does look to have a shattered arm, but not sure if he's dead or not.
I'm assuming he's Paramecia on what we know, so he could be out for the count...
Either way it's going to be messy if anyone's getting to Ace. People do almost never die in OP, but that's been mostly by Luffy and crew. I'd imagine here we should see dying on all sides/levels.

[Alanim]

I assume he's a elemental logia with the same rules at blackbeard, meaning he can still die from such damage, also why didn't the idiot jus stay full diamond? Like seriously, you can't freeze diamond, so why didn't he, it's just gah stupid.

[J M Fangio]

WB was being freeze when he was in a "human" form also buggy too. they are paramecia too. but at the least they can survive. so there is no dead people in OP

[Alanim]

Whitebeard was NOT frozen, he was encased in ice, jozu is 100% frozen else he'd be bleeding to death out of his massive arms, and I also think one of his legs might be gone....

[monkey D luffy]

also note that the arm that was broken off is infact broken twice, after the shoulder piece it breaks off again, so if someone wanted to stitch it up (being in ice and all that) it will not be possible anylonger unless he went picollo on us and regrow limbs (can be another trait of his df without having to be logia)

[Darkever]

I assume he's a elemental logia with the same rules at blackbeard, meaning he can still die from such damage, also why didn't the idiot jus stay full diamond? Like seriously, you can't freeze diamond, so why didn't he, it's just gah stupid.
Of course you can freeze diamond! It's a material like any other when it comes to heat and cold. He MAY still be alive, and he MAY be able to fight again IF somehow he was unfrozen (Shanks lost an arm too and is still a fearsome opponent). Still, HOW do they plan to do it in that mess? Ace can't use his fire, and I don't think Akainu will be so kind to undo all Aokiji's work.

On a side note, I have a PROBABLY STUPID BUT IMPORTANT QUESTION: I know the next spoilers are gonna come out on the 'second week of january', but is this week (4th-10th of january) considered the first or the second one?
EDIT - Ok, I think I got it. Chapter 569 is supposed to come out today (jan 4th) in japan because of holidays, and it will be a double issue, so no WSJ next week. So we'll get the spoilers of c570 on jan 11-17. Is it correct? Or there are chances for the double issue to be leaked a week before, as it happened for c569?

[chitgoks]

wow i never noticed that jozu lost his arm. being distracted is really pathetic. this only means they're not good. they still need practice to be on par with the admirals

[Jadedmariner]

Of course you can freeze diamond! It's a material like any other when it comes to heat and cold. He MAY still be alive, and he MAY be able to fight again IF somehow he was unfrozen (Shanks lost an arm too and is still a fearsome opponent). Still, HOW do they plan to do it in that mess? Ace can't use his fire, and I don't think Akainu will be so kind to undo all Aokiji's work.


You cannot realistically freeze a diamond because it is already the final crystalline structure of carbon. You would simply be removing energy and hardening the diamond further. On the other hand heating a diamond or cutting it with a beam would be effective.

[elitefox]

Damn I can't wait for the next, biting my nails now :D

There are so many possibilities next chapter,

I think there will no more fodder marines firing canon, less trouble for average new world, focus on the strong ones.

mangastream's version is kinda more like bad ass than onemanga's :D


i think Jimbei should be besides luffy not WB right now. and someone should free marco and josu :D maybe next 2 chaps.
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wow i never noticed that jozu lost his arm. being distracted is really pathetic. this only means they're not good. they still need practice to be on par with the admirals

they are admirals after all and with logia that makes them unkillable if you aren't equip with the right tools like haki or a counter df

[nalex94]

i think Jimbei might defrost jozu. Robin was defrosted by water ya know so maybe the other commandors tell jimbei to go help jozu or something. I don't think that he will grow his arm back but he might help Zoro get stronger. You 'member that jozu stopped Hawkeye's Strongest slash. so if he helps out Zoro ad by extention Luffy, for helpign get ace back, Zoro could learn and practice on Haki and trying to cut diamond. Jozu has to have haki otherwise he wouldnt 1) be a Whitebeard Commander and 2) wouldn't last that long against a logia of Aokiji's caliber

[chess4]

wow i never noticed that jozu lost his arm. being distracted is really pathetic. this only means they're not good. they still need practice to be on par with the admirals

O NO...................i didnt realize his arm was broken either. things are looking real bad for the WB alliance. ace has really messed things up. all of these people dying for his sake. i dont see how this will end well if help doesnt arrive. i hope jozu and marco live

[ajaxsoccerjon]

This makes me wonder if Jozu is actually dead or close to being dead. I mean look at the shape hes in. But then again i look at the beating Whitebeard and Oars junior are taking and I think to myself, "how exactly does someone die in One pice OTHER than beheading?!?!"

[urlaub]

Prediction: Luffy gonna shatter the platform with giganto ono

[Black Lagoon]

If Oda decides to give Kishi (Naruto) the chance to explain or to do some panels regarding Jozu, he'll probably say that actually that wasn't the real Jozu, it's just a Genjutsu. :grin

[deffkryz]

This makes me wonder if Jozu is actually dead or close to being dead. I mean look at the shape hes in. But then again i look at the beating Whitebeard and Oars junior are taking and I think to myself, "how exactly does someone die in One pice OTHER than beheading?!?!"

Well Jozu is deep frozen and has been shattering into pieces... So far he seems to have lost some limbs - at least his right arm...


Prediction: Luffy gonna shatter the platform with giganto ono

There's isn't such an attack... Its name's Giganto Axe. :P

[k-dom]

I think it's time we see some Crocodile action again. Or does Oda wait for him to give the last blow to whitebeard.

[Black Lagoon]

Indeed, Croco is awesome, it would be good to see what he can do against someone a bada$$ like Doflamingo, their fight had been interrupted, I know it's a war and we can not have some 1 on 1, but characters with their strength level can at least have some moments.

However, I only wanna see Jimbei in action ... he's f**king awesome :shakefist

[Arkadi]

everyone will probably have a power-boost because of luffy and they will get they're hopes back.

Another guess, could be luffy getting close to ace and Sengoku attacking luffy and garp protection luffy which i think might happen....

about jozu... well it's oda's manga so he is God.. he could even give jozu wings if he likes :P so we'll see how he turns out... all we can conclude is that his arms are shattered... i don't think he's dead .. if he was hes head would be broken.. which isn't the case. another reason to believe that he will live.
but i don't think anyone could guess how it'll turn out... because we're talking about Oda.

[tothx]

luffy and hancock possess the king's haki. but doesn't shanks also possess the king's haki?

no, what shanks has is just a strong haki. nothing like haoshoku

[isrnick]

I wanna see more OOOHH faces regarding Luffy´s haki in the beginning of next chapter.

Including what the shichibukai have to say about it (mainly Mihawk, who came to the conclusion that Luffy´s ability, of making even his enemies become his allies, is the most dangerous ability in the world, what will he think after seeing Luffy´s haki??).

[zerocooldx]

no, what shanks has is just a strong haki. nothing like haoshoku

We don't know if Shanks possesses the Haoshoku Haki or not. Mainly because he has never had to seriously use his Haki on screen. But i'm willing to bet that some of the major characters in the story do indeed possess the Haoshoku Haki.

[The rookie]

For all who think Rayleigh is about to appear i think he should be the last to involve in this battle a) he already helped the strawhat crew once b) his era is over he's retired and has got no ambitions to help them or to fight the wg.
Dragon also will not appear, for his aim is to win a war against th wg by showing wg is bad and to revolt in the name and with the support of people(and not for sake to save one criminal).

it will be something like this:
somewhere from behind: ''Oh, you got the party already started''. Whitebeard turns around:''damn you crippled redhair...you come help ME brat??!!
Shanks:''Hah don't be so egoistic you're just an old injured man, you have to admit there are times you cant get along alone'' Sengoku:''Get ready!!! we can still get into serious trouble''
After some smooth words to luffy the fight starts again in its full ferocity with tight moves etc.After a time they cant defeat the wg but they can handle to inolve the admirals in a hard fight and free ace , whitebeard dies so that the rest can escape.

[isrnick]

Two Yonkou fighting together against the WG? I don't think so...

Oda would be overdoing it, the WG wouldn´t stand a chance...

[Zatono]

no, what shanks has is just a strong haki. nothing like haoshoku

What the hell are you talking about? Based on what we've seen, Shanks, Rayleigh, and Luffy should all possess the same Haki. All three people have made fodders pass out and start foaming at the mouth after blasting their haki. You can't say that it's just a strong haki, when I'm pretty sure that, based on what we've seen, what haki does vary from person to person.

We've seen the reflecting type, as seen in Margaret. Also, the predicting type, as seen in Sandersonia. And we've seen Sentoumaru basically using both of these haki's.

[GomuGomuNoBigBoner]

Apparently it's quite hard to make a correct guess, however, I strongly predict Squad to somehow have a major role in solving one of the upcoming situations.
He hasn't been shown eversince Marco suggested to redeem himself for what he's done to WB.
Or may the former CP9 gets a shot to take revenge, after all the MG ordered uber captain berry good to get rid of them :D
Besides, such a thing would again approve Mihawk's statement, literally that Luffy is blessed with an ability to make friends everywhere he goes.

[Zatono]

Two Yonkou fighting together against the WG? I don't think so...

Oda would be overdoing it, the WG wouldn´t stand a chance...

Well, it appears that Mihawk can stand up to Shanks, and is on Yonkou level when he really wants to be, since he was able to compete when Shanks when he still had two arms.

That's one thing that annoys me about One Piece though. Why did Shanks have to lose his damn arm? Now, whenever in the next 10 years we see him fight, we'll all be speculating on how strong he'd be if he had his other arm.

[The rookie]

Two Yonkou fighting together against the WG? I don't think so...

Oda would be overdoing it, the WG wouldn´t stand a chance...

aha, well look at the situation.
weve got the whitebeard pirates nearly done for good, and the top forces of Wg like in top form. So if some one really strong won't appear i would say its a clear wipout for whitebeard camarades.

[Gats]

Shanks seems to be a normal human, not a devil fruit user, since he is strong enough to be a Yonkou, we can guess without too much risk that he has the King haki and not a "regular" one only. (besides everything we saw from his haki)
[hr]

I think it's time we see some Crocodile action again. Or does Oda wait for him to give the last blow to whitebeard.

I'm not even sure that Crocodile is really interested to kill a very weakened and dying Whitebeard. Even more when the Marine did a lot of blows on him, it would be quite shameful I think.

[Lord Rayleigh]

Well Jozu is deep frozen and has been shattering into pieces... So far he seems to have lost some limbs - at least his right arm...



There's isn't such an attack... Its name's Giganto Axe. :P
But is there not two kinds of attacks using that method : I mean both begin like that (http://www.volonte-d.com/techniques/images/luffy11.jpg) ? Then, for one, Luffy changes the direction of his leg that turns into this kind of position (http://www.volonte-d.com/techniques/images/luffy03.jpg) before hitting. And for the other, the foot just come back by itself where it was before Luffy began to stretch his leg (you can see it with the final attack (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/93/15/) Luffy used on Arlong). Do they have different names ? If not, why knowing they are different ?

[Dice]

Well Lord Rayleigh, right now I can't answer your question if they are both and the same but you might take a look here: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Gomu_Gomu_no_Mi. I might take a look myself at a later time :D

[johnnyb7]

So Jozu's right arm is smashed to pieces http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/569/07/. Even if he was unfrozen it would just further his own death at this point because it would allow him to bleed out. Looking at it I can't see any way where he would live since Whitebeard's close to death and Marco's been captured (essentially). The whitebeard pirates are going down completely, I don't really see any of them making it out of there realistically.

I think Luffy is going to show some of his stuff in the next chapter, but it still won't be enough and within a couple chapters Blackbeard will show up and finish off Whitebeard and Ace will be executed. The only responses I've gotten to me saying Ace will die have been saying I'm dumb and that won't happen but I've been saying this since the beginning of the arc and I definately think Ace is going to die.

[rocklee87]

I don't think ace will die because they're are so many possible rescuers imo. The straw hats might reconvene at the scene because they know Luffy and know that he wouldn't stand to have his bro killed. They should all be powered up by now so they might be able to do some good.

Also, and I know its a slim possibility, but Garp might step in, sacrifice himself in exchange for Ace's life and the promise that he will quit being a pirate as Whitebeards crew seems doomed anyway.

[Poneglyph420]

So Jozu's right arm is smashed to pieces http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/569/07/. Even if he was unfrozen it would just further his own death at this point because it would allow him to bleed out. Looking at it I can't see any way where he would live since Whitebeard's close to death and Marco's been captured (essentially). The whitebeard pirates are going down completely, I don't really see any of them making it out of there realistically.

I think Luffy is going to show some of his stuff in the next chapter, but it still won't be enough and within a couple chapters Blackbeard will show up and finish off Whitebeard and Ace will be executed. The only responses I've gotten to me saying Ace will die have been saying I'm dumb and that won't happen but I've been saying this since the beginning of the arc and I definately think Ace is going to die.

I agree that it looks like both Jozu and Marco are pretty screwed at this point. It will be amazing if they even make it out alive IMO. But I do also think that if Ace is actually executed, and WB were to fall... Well that's a MAJOR victory for the Marines and WG. And it seems unlikely WB would die as a pure failure, a living legend dying as his "Sons" all die around him. That's dark and pretty cool, but not in tune with the themes of OP IMO. At this point it does seem Luffy will make one last rush to save Ace, and if he gets the right help, could achieve his goals...

I also really don't see BB showing up unless it's to somehow regain favor with the marines. He's made his schemes and his "plan" (if you can call it that) has paid off. He's still got something to do in ID IMO.

And @johnny if someone calls you dumb best to ignore them, they have nothing better to do.... Big kids can play nice..:tem

[johnnyb7]

I don't think ace will die because they're are so many possible rescuers imo. The straw hats might reconvene at the scene because they know Luffy and know that he wouldn't stand to have his bro killed. They should all be powered up by now so they might be able to do some good.

Also, and I know its a slim possibility, but Garp might step in, sacrifice himself in exchange for Ace's life and the promise that he will quit being a pirate as Whitebeards crew seems doomed anyway.

Luffy's crew may show up, I'd say there is a slim chance of it the way I see it, but if they do it would just be at the last moment to rescue Luffy and it would be with Rayleigh. I don't think Rayleigh would fight though, I think he would just show up, grab Luffy and get out while his crew acted as a distraction. I don't think he would fight anyone.

I don't like hearing people say the supernova's will show up because they were JUST at the archipelago..... like 15 minutes ago in one piece time..... and none of them have a reason to show up.

The only person I can see saving Ace would be as you said Garp, but I can't see Garp saving him at this point since he's sat in the admirals seat and seems pretty set on what he's doing. But even if he does betray the marines I don't think he would successfully save Ace.

One way or another I think Ace is gonna die.

[isrnick]

Well, it appears that Mihawk can stand up to Shanks, and is on Yonkou level when he really wants to be, since he was able to compete when Shanks when he still had two arms.

That's one thing that annoys me about One Piece though. Why did Shanks have to lose his damn arm? Now, whenever in the next 10 years we see him fight, we'll all be speculating on how strong he'd be if he had his other arm.

Why people assume that, when Mihawk fought against Shanks, he already were one of the Yonkou?

As far as we know he might have become an Yonkou far after that...

He may very well only have become a Yonkou after losing his arm for all we know... And he may have become stronger now that he only have one arm, than he ever was when he had both arms... Who knows?

(The same goes for Moria vs Kaidou...)

[Fox666]

The absolute defeat of Whitebeard pirates would be very interesting for the series. The plot has been constructed that way.

Some people suggest the involvement of the revolutionaries the WG would loose the battle, but the next arcs would be in the New World. There is nothing good with the fall of the WG.

If Whitebeard pirates are aniquilated, Fishman Island, the next place the Strawhats would visit, will be in chaos. There would not be Whitebeard to protect the fishman and merfolks from pirates. But if you think about it, that not even half of the problem. Jimbei loose his status as a Shichibukai so the World Government will also go against the Fishman Island which is basically the path from pirates to the New World. And Jimbei already declared he choose Marineford will be the place for his death, and the Fishman Pirates having no captain makes things even worst.

But Fishman Island is just the primary result of Whitebeard fall. Remember that Kaidou tried to stop it? This proves that it is not an advantage for the Yonkou, even if they are supposed to be enemies fighting for territory. Without Whitebeard, the Yonkou loose in the balance of the three great power, so the WG and the Shichibukai shall start making it to New World.

Whitebeard just not fall, but everybody believes he fall selling all his allies for nothing. The pirates would loose their respect for the Yonkou? No matter what, the Supernovas reaction already show up the chaos there will be with New World pirates because of that.

To think about it, if Ace is miraculously take away from Marineford, he would be doomed. The good people would hate him because he is the son of Gold Roger. The marines would be hunting him even more. And he has no longer the Whitebeard protection. Because of Whitebeard, the Yonkou would be against him. His survival costs the 43 captains lifes, all the New World pirates hates him too.

[elitefox]

The absolute defeat of Whitebeard pirates would be very interesting for the series. The plot has been constructed that way.

Some people suggest the involvement of the revolutionaries the WG would loose the battle, but the next arcs would be in the New World. There is nothing good with the fall of the WG.

If Whitebeard pirates are aniquilated, Fishman Island, the next place the Strawhats would visit, will be in chaos. There would not be Whitebeard to protect the fishman and merfolks from pirates. But if you think about it, that not even half of the problem. Jimbei loose his status as a Shichibukai so the World Government will also go against the Fishman Island which is basically the path from pirates to the New World. And Jimbei already declared he choose Marineford will be the place for his death, and the Fishman Pirates having no captain makes things even worst.

But Fishman Island is just the primary result of Whitebeard fall. Remember that Kaidou tried to stop it? This proves that it is not an advantage for the Yonkou, even if they are supposed to be enemies fighting for territory. Without Whitebeard, the Yonkou loose in the balance of the three great power, so the WG and the Shichibukai shall start making it to New World.

Whitebeard just not fall, but everybody believes he fall selling all his allies for nothing. The pirates would loose their respect for the Yonkou? No matter what, the Supernovas reaction already show up the chaos there will be with New World pirates because of that.

To think about it, if Ace is miraculously take away from Marineford, he would be doomed. The good people would hate him because he is the son of Gold Roger. The marines would be hunting him even more. And he has no longer the Whitebeard protection. Because of Whitebeard, the Yonkou would be against him. His survival costs the 43 captains lifes, all the New World pirates hates him too.

why would all pirates hate ACE?

and I think most of the pirates can be rank under Ace... almost no one can hurt him because he is a logia and a very powerful user indeed

[Rotten The Wizard]

the pirates will be annihilated without outside help, period.

and im talking more than just the supernova.
Greatly anticipating Rayleigh and Teach's entrance

[isrnick]

Rayleigh? Shanks? Dragon? Who need those guys?

Don't you guys go around forgetting Buggy!! He is back on the fight, and is behind the scene planning he's revenge against the marines for having freezed him! And rest assured, his payback will be awesome! :D

Buggy and Luffy are gonna be the ones making the moves that will result in Ace being freed.

[Dim]

dunno about the spoilers- if its confirmed it will show up in the spoilers section!

i wonder if raylieghs ability to get the handcuffs of is some DF ability or HAKI related!
remeber everyone thought whitebeard and shanks fighting was all haki when the shy split! everyhting that isnt able to be explained is put down to haki lol

would be good if marco could get them off soemhow- however my theroy is he wont be able to regenrate- in teh same way a logia can only regernate whilst in the logia form!

buggy has some strogn dudes with him! however i doubt it is enough!

the loss of whitebeard will be felt across the world!

[Jayden_kropp]

Rayleigh? Shanks? Dragon? Who need those guys?

Don't you guys go around forgetting Buggy!! He is back on the fight, and is behind the scene planning he's revenge against the marines for having freezed him! And rest assured, his payback will be awesome! :D

Buggy and Luffy are gonna be the ones making the moves that will result in Ace being freed.

I agree actually .... Seriously how awesome would it be if while luffy is fighting the marines with whitebeard, the rest of the crew and jimbei BUGGY goes and rescues ace! After all, any bodypart apart from his feet can split soo he could technically use his hands to transfer the keys from luffy to the handcuffs RESULTING in the freedom of ace ACE GOES SUPER SAYAIN 3! the end

As for marco, jozu, whitebeard ?? Plain and simple they are fucked we will only get to see a good show from whitebeard! I dunno why people say JUST CUT MARCOS HANDS OFF AND HE WILL LIVE AND RE GENERATE! If that was the case guys then why dont they just cut ACES hands off .... doesnt matter if ur logia or got a df that makes u re generate its the same thing. As i say once again when your not in logia form u cant re generate.

Any damage that you recieve while not in logia form HURTS and will stay perminant good example is if som1 cuts marco's head off while hes wearing seastone cuffs hes going 2 die as you saw he got hit by lazer beams and it hurt him! If that wasnt the case he could simply just grow another head which is stupid haha.

[elitefox]

I agree actually .... Seriously how awesome would it be if while luffy is fighting the marines with whitebeard, the rest of the crew and jimbei BUGGY goes and rescues ace! After all, any bodypart apart from his feet can split soo he could technically use his hands to transfer the keys from luffy to the handcuffs RESULTING in the freedom of ace ACE GOES SUPER SAYAIN 3! the end

As for marco, jozu, whitebeard ?? Plain and simple they are fucked we will only get to see a good show from whitebeard! I dunno why people say JUST CUT MARCOS HANDS OFF AND HE WILL LIVE AND RE GENERATE! If that was the case guys then why dont they just cut ACES hands off .... doesnt matter if ur logia or got a df that makes u re generate its the same thing. As i say once again when your not in logia form u cant re generate.

Any damage that you recieve while not in logia form HURTS and will stay perminant good example is if som1 cuts marco's head off while hes wearing seastone cuffs hes going 2 die as you saw he got hit by lazer beams and it hurt him! If that wasnt the case he could simply just grow another head which is stupid haha.

uhmm I think it is because they seem to incorporate phoenix with regeneration while logia works a little bit different not regenerate but reattach :D

I hope that explains it or so I think it is

[Mr.Popo]

Greatly anticipating Rayleigh and Teach's entrance
Rayleigh is of limited use. He had a hard time fighting Kizaru
and Teach has no intentions to come.

But i agree with you

the pirates will be annihilated.

Period.

[goldb]

Whatever Blackbeard has planned has nothing to do with this war but it's effect will be felt all over the world. I think this war like most people here have said will be decided by those who are already taking part in it. Right now, it would take something huge to shift the tide back to the pirates favour; whether Luffy's release of his haki will help in any way, only time will tell but it's not looking good Whitebeard and co.

[deffkryz]

What's that depressing mood in here?! The battle won't be over until its over. Ace won't die. Why should Oda let him die? Why?! He has been saved by Crocodile and Luffy temporary already, and as it seems only 4 of the 16 commanders of the Whitebeard pirates have been downed so far - and they have been reaching the plaza.

My guess is: The final victory for the pirates depends on who's able to keep the admirals, Garp and Sengoku busy or who's able to defeat at least one of them to free Ace. I'm quite sure WB will take on both of them, Garp and Sengoku making those two again the top fighters that brought down one of the big pirates like Shiki.


But is there not two kinds of attacks using that method...

I'll answer in the mega convo thread...

[shk1020]

any predictions on when/how all the strawhats (crew) will meet up in the future? also, do u think any of the people fighting in this war will join the strawhat crew? (outside of the marines, whitebeard pirates... like iva, jimbei, and mr.2)

[Gats]

we thought werent getting a chapter next week, but we did. anyway it sounds good and it does make sense
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we thought werent getting a chapter last week, but we did. anyway it sounds good and it does make sense

I guess you're talking about the current chapter, during Christmas (or just before), the possibility to have spoilers and a new chapter online was expected since the Shonen Jump had already been printed, maybe you just missed the posts about it.


On-topic : Buggy will save the day somehow and will be the new supernova or Yonkou at best despite him. I feel something like him having Luffy's key and using his ability to sneak a hand behind the execution platform with this. Luffy would give him the key or Mr.3 can do a double from it for Buggy. I think he also would gain benefits from Whitebeard's fall in the battlefield.

[chess4]

i also think that buggy will be bigtime after is fight. he has a new supercrew and a new VC in mr 3. buggy may not be a yonkou but he will pla a role i th future. i cant wait until he and shanks fight side by side again.

[redred]

I agree actually .... Seriously how awesome would it be if while luffy is fighting the marines with whitebeard, the rest of the crew and jimbei BUGGY goes and rescues ace! After all, any bodypart apart from his feet can split soo he could technically use his hands to transfer the keys from luffy to the handcuffs RESULTING in the freedom of ace ACE GOES SUPER SAYAIN 3! the end

As for marco, jozu, whitebeard ?? Plain and simple they are fucked we will only get to see a good show from whitebeard! I dunno why people say JUST CUT MARCOS HANDS OFF AND HE WILL LIVE AND RE GENERATE! If that was the case guys then why dont they just cut ACES hands off .... doesnt matter if ur logia or got a df that makes u re generate its the same thing. As i say once again when your not in logia form u cant re generate.

Any damage that you recieve while not in logia form HURTS and will stay perminant good example is if som1 cuts marco's head off while hes wearing seastone cuffs hes going 2 die as you saw he got hit by lazer beams and it hurt him! If that wasnt the case he could simply just grow another head which is stupid haha.
Marco isnt a logia. he is using a mythical zoan fruit. so the whole regenerating thing is part of the phoenix ability not part of the fruit itself (tho technically it is)
so the way a phoenix works is, it dies and its reborn from the ashes etc, so the theory of his hands coming back in theyve been cut off does sound plausible.

but i am fond of the idea that buggy might save the day ahaha, i mean the more i think about it, the more likely it seems. what an upset that would be.

[Lee-tyme7]

but i am fond of the idea that buggy might save the day ahaha, i mean the more i think about it, the more likely it seems. what an upset that would be.

Buggy saving the day? lol...I like the sound of it. It would be hilarious. He did just vowed his revenge on the Marines so I guess it could happen. By the way where is Mr.3? probably cowarding somewhere. :p
I've also notice that Luffy's haki doesn't effect the stronger enemies but if that's the case then it's pretty much useless thus far.

[Yabe]

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Just have to clarify:
What Gatsuga wrote is right, the early spoilers we got on Christmas week was expected because it has been like this for a long time now for issues on New Years break: an early chapter and then everything gets back to their normal schedule for the next one.

The spoilers that are surfacing during this week are supposed to be highly fake than real. Until a plausible spoiler picture appears, it is the best that we don't take those texts claimed as spoilers seriously.

I or the other moderators will open the spoiler threads either when there is the reliable pictures or on the next week. But if anyone is confident that the early spoilers they found are legit, please use PM to let one of the active staffs know. Please don't discuss about something else but topic-related subjects here, the posts will be deleted.

/end interruption and my apology, please continue your normal on-topic discussion.

[Zatono]

Buggy saving the day? lol...I like the sound of it. It would be hilarious. He did just vowed his revenge on the Marines so I guess it could happen. By the way where is Mr.3? probably cowarding somewhere. :p
I've also notice that Luffy's haki doesn't effect the stronger enemies but if that's the case then it's pretty much useless thus far.

It's funny that Sengoku made two fodder marines try to kill Ace then, since they're able to get taken out by haki. He could of at least used vice admirals.

[Gats]

It's funny that Sengoku made two fodder marines try to kill Ace then, since they're able to get taken out by haki. He could of at least used vice admirals.

This fight is all about symbol, if it wasn't Sengoku would also kill Ace himself. The protocol must be respected (or at least the appearance), it would be probably a shame that 2 Vice Admirals have to do this themselves. And the king haki concerns 1/1 000 000 people (and you have to awaken this) so he really didn't expect something like this.

[Fox666]

Hey guys, huh, it's almost impossible to Buggy save Ace. You are forgetting there are Sengoku and Garp who will not let anyone approach Ace. Marco could fly ten times faster than Buggy and was useless...

[redred]

Hey guys, huh, it's almost impossible to Buggy save Ace. You are forgetting there are Sengoku and Garp who will not let anyone approach Ace. Marco could fly ten times faster than Buggy and was useless...

lol but buggys got the element of surprise!
i mean the guy has incredible luck. he could be trying to throw one of his buggy balls at a guy and end up downing the entire execution platform aha
you just never know with him :P

[johnnyb7]

Buggy for new yonkou.

My prediction

1) I think Luffy's gonna show some of his stuff
2) He will be overpowered after a while due to not being able to control his haki perfectly
3) Rayleigh and Luffy's crew will show up (possibly Luffy's crew, i hesitate to say that)
4) Ace will be executed
5) Whitebeard will save Luffy by throwing him to Rayleigh just before he dies while the strawhats fight to get Luffy
6) Whitebeard will put his faith into Luffy saying a new era will begin (era of Luffy becoming the new pirate king)

I know I think it's a bit dark but I think this would work

[shk1020]

i bet blackbeard will show up and do something extremely unexpected...

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/544/15/

have the few hours passed yet? (or was he talking about Ace's death?)

[redred]

Buggy for new yonkou.

My prediction

1) I think Luffy's gonna show some of his stuff
2) He will be overpowered after a while due to not being able to control his haki perfectly
3) Rayleigh and Luffy's crew will show up (possibly Luffy's crew, i hesitate to say that)
4) Ace will be executed
5) Whitebeard will save Luffy by throwing him to Rayleigh just before he dies while the strawhats fight to get Luffy
6) Whitebeard will put his faith into Luffy saying a new era will begin (era of Luffy becoming the new pirate king)

I know I think it's a bit dark but I think this would work

ace cant die! dont you jinx it!
but yeah on a serious note, ace cant die imo, it would totally defeat the purpose of the war and all this hardship everyones going through. a little too dark imo =P better whitebeard die than Ace. if he died then what would be the point of saving him 2 times from being beheaded? epic trolling?

[isrnick]

Hey guys, huh, it's almost impossible to Buggy save Ace. You are forgetting there are Sengoku and Garp who will not let anyone approach Ace. Marco could fly ten times faster than Buggy and was useless...

Nobody said Buggy would save Ace...

He will do something that will make an opening allowing Luffy to save Ace. (Probably something highly idiotic, and yet somehow it will work, just by luck, as always.)

[JC_AC]

Hey guise, I was re-reading some of Ace's awesomeness and came across this:
http://mangavolume.com/index.php?serie=one-piece&chapter=one-piece-159&page_nr=15

I know that everything that the characters say isn't written on stone, but something tells me that if Ace survives this "Ace execution arc" he will flee or will be taken by his crew, not allowing a brotherhood reunion with Luffy.

[Poneglyph420]

Hey guise, I was re-reading some of Ace's awesomeness and came across this:
http://mangavolume.com/index.php?serie=one-piece&chapter=one-piece-159&page_nr=15

I know that everything that the characters say isn't written on stone, but something tells me that if Ace survives this "Ace execution arc" he will flee or will be taken by his crew, not allowing a brotherhood reunion with Luffy.


I do love re-reading Ace's awesomeness as you aptly put it.
If Ace was saying to Luffy they would meet at the "pirates summit"..
Seems to me where they are now is a "who's who" of the pirate world.
At least one major side of the elite in pirating......

I'd say this current stage applies to the quote you listed..
I too however love re-visiting the limited role Ace has had til now....

Personally I hope that Luffy does get to Ace and Garp has to save their asses....

[evozoku]

While we're on predictions on how this arc will end, here are my predictions:

1) WB is going to die, Ace will survive, and Ace will leave as the new captain of the WB pirates (would they still be called the WB pirates then?)

2) Perhaps after WB is finished off, Garp will assist Luffy. He will do this for one of two reasons: to ensure Luffy survives, or being satisfied with taking out WB, they he decides that is enough of a win (afterall, the world government can't sacrifice their entire military force just to take out one pirate crew).

3) Luffy will be taken away by Ivankov, to be healed, and use the revolutionaries to get back in touch with his crew. Maybe Raleigh will even show up at the end of the fighting to present to Luffy the Thousand Sunny.

4) Blackbeard's crew will be powerful enough to be a new Yonkou (no longer a Shichibukai). He used his shichibukai position to get to and recruit Shiryuu, and the shichibukai title to raise his stature in the pirate world.

5) Due to the world powers being out of sync (The loss of Jimbei, Blackbeard, and maybe Hancock as shichibukai, there being another younkai, and maybe we'll even see an admiral being taken out), the world government will send out the Kuma replicas (pacifistas) to maintain their power in the world. This may also be a reason for us to learn more about Vegapunk, since he is in charge of the pacifista program.)

[elitefox]

While we're on predictions on how this arc will end, here are my predictions:

1) WB is going to die, Ace will survive, and Ace will leave as the new captain of the WB pirates (would they still be called the WB pirates then?)

2) Perhaps after WB is finished off, Garp will assist Luffy. He will do this for one of two reasons: to ensure Luffy survives, or being satisfied with taking out WB, they he decides that is enough of a win (afterall, the world government can't sacrifice their entire military force just to take out one pirate crew).

3) Luffy will be taken away by Ivankov, to be healed, and use the revolutionaries to get back in touch with his crew. Maybe Raleigh will even show up at the end of the fighting to present to Luffy the Thousand Sunny.

4) Blackbeard's crew will be powerful enough to be a new Yonkou (no longer a Shichibukai). He used his shichibukai position to get to and recruit Shiryuu, and the shichibukai title to raise his stature in the pirate world.

5) Due to the world powers being out of sync (The loss of Jimbei, Blackbeard, and maybe Hancock as shichibukai, there being another younkai, and maybe we'll even see an admiral being taken out), the world government will send out the Kuma replicas (pacifistas) to maintain their power in the world. This may also be a reason for us to learn more about Vegapunk, since he is in charge of the pacifista program.)

Everybody is assuming BB will be a yonkou... he needs to prove himself... he is still unknown though he was a WB crewmate, he doesn't have a name yet probably defeating a yonkou will earn him one though.


Continued to this thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48058&page=11) for ongoing discussion particularly on Blackbeard's strength.

[patz]

ace cant die! dont you jinx it!
but yeah on a serious note, ace cant die imo, it would totally defeat the purpose of the war and all this hardship everyones going through. a little too dark imo =P better whitebeard die than Ace. if he died then what would be the point of saving him 2 times from being beheaded? epic trolling?
Yes, if Ace dies, this whole arc would be totally pointless. The only result I can think of is to save Ace, then retreat.

[johnnyb7]

While we're on predictions on how this arc will end, here are my predictions:

1) WB is going to die, Ace will survive, and Ace will leave as the new captain of the WB pirates (would they still be called the WB pirates then?)

2) Perhaps after WB is finished off, Garp will assist Luffy. He will do this for one of two reasons: to ensure Luffy survives, or being satisfied with taking out WB, they he decides that is enough of a win (afterall, the world government can't sacrifice their entire military force just to take out one pirate crew).

3) Luffy will be taken away by Ivankov, to be healed, and use the revolutionaries to get back in touch with his crew. Maybe Raleigh will even show up at the end of the fighting to present to Luffy the Thousand Sunny.

4) Blackbeard's crew will be powerful enough to be a new Yonkou (no longer a Shichibukai). He used his shichibukai position to get to and recruit Shiryuu, and the shichibukai title to raise his stature in the pirate world.

5) Due to the world powers being out of sync (The loss of Jimbei, Blackbeard, and maybe Hancock as shichibukai, there being another younkai, and maybe we'll even see an admiral being taken out), the world government will send out the Kuma replicas (pacifistas) to maintain their power in the world. This may also be a reason for us to learn more about Vegapunk, since he is in charge of the pacifista program.)

It seems to me like everyone thinks this arc is going to end, for lack of a better way to put it, happily ever after. People keep commenting that if Ace died it would be too dark, saying Luffy will save Ace, he'll become the new captain of the whitebeard pirates like evozuku stated. The fact is that plots of GREAT stories become dark at times. I still say Ace won't make it out of this war, but he'll die smiling just like Roger.

[tunjee01]

Its funny but didn't shanks who is a Yonkou get his scars from blackbeard and that was before blackbeard got his Yami Yami no Mi devil fruit. Blackbeard is already Yonkou level. Mark my words he will be the final enemy luffy has to defeat for him to become the pirate king.

I've always read the posts and after awhile i decided 2 register.
From what we know of shanks he had the scars when luffy was still a kid so its possible he got it while still on rogers ship.
I dont think the fight between the WG and BB pirates would end in anyones win. I believe BB would do something so bad the war would stop and the WG would have to fall back or something. Maybe use something almost as destructive as an Ancient weapon on impel down after making the remaining Lvl 6 prisoners join his crew. That would definitely be sumtin.

[c0nflikt]

I've been saying for months ace was going to die and luffy was going to ravage the seas. I'd enjoy that onepiece

[Jayden_kropp]

Why isnt buggy the best person 2 save ace? As ive stated all he needs to do is seperate his hand from his body!

Who is going to expect a pair of hands or a single hand to randomly appear from nowhere to quickly unlock ace ?? Once ace is unlocked hes in logia mode WB pirates win but the main players still die!

[tunjee01]

@jayden _kropp
the movement of his hand is limited to a certain distance http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/527/09/

[Jayden_kropp]

@jayden _kropp
the movement of his hand is limited to a certain distance http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/527/09/

Yeah ??? If his body is below the execution stand it would be no problem would it ??? Its still a good idea i reakon

[Vizard5]

so ace dies, wb dies, luffy get arrested and we have a timeskip for 5 years while luffy is in jail, then his crew breaks him out, and the journey continiues.

[evozoku]

It seems to me like everyone thinks this arc is going to end, for lack of a better way to put it, happily ever after. People keep commenting that if Ace died it would be too dark, saying Luffy will save Ace, he'll become the new captain of the whitebeard pirates like evozuku stated. The fact is that plots of GREAT stories become dark at times. I still say Ace won't make it out of this war, but he'll die smiling just like Roger.

Twice already Ace has come within a split second of dying, and he was not smiling. And that is why he will not become the Pirate King.

[Super Angillis]

Ace will live. Not just because everybody is trying to save him, but because in all honesty, his death alone will not change the world. And truthully, Gold Roger's son or not, his execution was never about his death. This was to get Whitebeard. Jinbei said that a huge number of islands are under his protection, and if anything happens to Whitebeard they will be thrown into chaos. And not just them. The remaining Yonkou will vie for power amongst themselves to take what used to be Whitebeard's territory. The WG will try to take advantage of this. And the whole world will be affected, as it will be the end of an age, just like Roger's death was the end of one age, but the begining of another. Hey, maybe that's the real reason the Marines cut the transmission. They don't want anymore inspiring last words. If Ace lives, he will probably have a lot of guilt, but will eventually step up as Whitebeards succesor.

[deffkryz]

I wish "fans" posting here about Ace's presumed death would realize that WB's death is already "dark" enough for the World of OP...

A character's death must have a meaning in OP. Ace's death now in this war would not have any meaning beyond some Narutardish "I want revenge!!!" for some characters... And I don't see how Oda would be able to keep that attitude he put into his manga for the last 11 years if Oda would let Ace die.

If WB dies, there isn't just a meaning to his sons. Reread Jinbei and Ace's conversation.

[sharingan_kakashi]

Ace will live. Not just because everybody is trying to save him, but because in all honesty, his death alone will not change the world. And truthully, Gold Roger's son or not, his execution was never about his death. This was to get Whitebeard. Jinbei said that a huge number of islands are under his protection, and if anything happens to Whitebeard they will be thrown into chaos. And not just them. The remaining Yonkou will vie for power amongst themselves to take what used to be Whitebeard's territory. The WG will try to take advantage of this. And the whole world will be affected, as it will be the end of an age, just like Roger's death was the end of one age, but the begining of another. Hey, maybe that's the real reason the Marines cut the transmission. They don't want anymore inspiring last words. If Ace lives, he will probably have a lot of guilt, but will eventually step up as Whitebeards succesor.

Agreed.
Marco and Joz (Jaws?) are more likely to die than Ace. WB, Marco and Joz are probably going to die if not retire or get captured after this arc because Ace will be the one to lead the crew and there cant be anyone stronger than him there.
The new era has come with Luffy leading the way with Ace, BB and the supernovas.

[OunknownO]

It's time for the old guys to go to retirement and leave the stage for new generation.

My prediction: WB will die while protecting the reatret of the NW pirates(He will order his whole crew to run)

[chess4]

It's time for the old guys to go to retirement and leave the stage for new generation.

My prediction: WB will die while protecting the reatret of the NW pirates(He will order his whole crew to run)

i agree 100%. this is the only way i can see this ending. things are looking bad for the WB alliance. i dont see how luffy will even get close to ace, unless help shows up

[bharatsriv]

i just pray that zoro appears with a super cool move
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i just pray that zoro appears with a super cool move and a new technique which will be at the level of hawk eyes

[chess4]

i highly doubt that the strawhats will appear. we will not see them until this war is over, and we get a strawhat reunion arc.

[Zatono]

i highly doubt that the strawhats will appear. we will not see them until this war is over, and we get a strawhat reunion arc.

Speaking of that, I wonder if they're going to get to Sky Island to get Nami through that other way that was mentioned during that arc.

[Poneglyph420]

Agreed.
Marco and Joz (Jaws?) are more likely to die than Ace. WB, Marco and Joz are probably going to die if not retire or get captured after this arc because Ace will be the one to lead the crew and there cant be anyone stronger than him there.
The new era has come with Luffy leading the way with Ace, BB and the supernovas.

I agree but based more on the fact they are currently incapacitated and have been clearly defeated. Marco got shot through the chest twice and Jozu is shattering..... Ace would be assumed to lead whatever remnant based on his status and destiny.

I am glad it's but one more week until we have something......

[beastboy]

No rescue arc.. I would be more happy with one 4 chapters arc for each Straw Hat..

At least it would give them a chance to shine after being idle for so many time..

But going back to the Blues isn't a good idea.. the only blue I want to see is the All Blue! *-*


Regarding the next chapter..
I'm sure it will have lots of Iva, Jinbei, Luffy & Buggy in action... cause the WB crew is almost out for the count...

But Iva and Jinbei have the power to change the tide of the battle..
They're the only ones awake who can do it... cause we aren't expecting WB to PWN everyone after being healed by Inoe some crazy doctor...


So I expect one admiral down in the next chapter.. so it will warm up again.. cause right now it is one sided!

[Zatono]

But Iva and Jinbei have the power to change the tide of the battle..
They're the only ones awake who can do it... cause we aren't expecting WB to PWN everyone after being healed by Inoe some crazy doctor...


So I expect one admiral down in the next chapter.. so it will warm up again.. cause right now it is one sided!

Having an admiral get taken down already seems ridiculous. I can't imagine ANY of them going down so soon into One Piece. There's approximately 10 years, our time, left until One Piece ends, according to Oda anyway. Unless someone ridiculously powerful arrives, like a Yonkou, or the admirals fight amongst themselves, I don't see them going down.

Well, actually, I can see one other way. Iva can insert the aging hormones that the pituitary gland produces into Whitebeard, but cause it to work in reverse, at an incredibly fast rate. It'd eventually stop, and allow WB to fight like he's in his prime, but he'd end up dying as an after-effect. I don't really see how Iva would do that, but if he can't do things like that, then the only reasons for his DF ability are to make okama's, and give people second chances at life.

[evozoku]

I don't think an admiral will go down. One of them may take it powerful haki hit, but that would be all. They are too major in the world and story of One Piece, and we know too little about them so far.

The only major casualty will be WB, and then the only real question is how the war ends. After freeing Ace, will there be a truce (because the marines can't suffer such heavy losses either to take out a single pirate crew), or will the pirates retreat?

[OunknownO]

Having an admiral get taken down already seems ridiculous. I can't imagine ANY of them going down so soon into One Piece. There's approximately 10 years, our time, left until One Piece ends, according to Oda anyway. Unless someone ridiculously powerful arrives, like a Yonkou, or the admirals fight amongst themselves, I don't see them going down.

Well, actually, I can see one other way. Iva can insert the aging hormones that the pituitary gland produces into Whitebeard, but cause it to work in reverse, at an incredibly fast rate. It'd eventually stop, and allow WB to fight like he's in his prime, but he'd end up dying as an after-effect. I don't really see how Iva would do that, but if he can't do things like that, then the only reasons for his DF ability are to make okama's, and give people second chances at life.

Not all df are for combat... rember that kid from the filler arc that could talk to animals

[johnnyb7]

If Ace died it would be dark, but I still think Luffy would become jolly again. He'd be depressed for a bit and then'd meet up with his friends, be overjoyed with that, and vow to become the pirate king not only for himself but for Ace too. I think it'd be dark but it would return to Oda's usual funny one piece.

[blackking187]

I think that joz will be saved by ace, and ace doesn't die. He will lead the wb pirates with marco and joz at his side don't think that either of them will die or be captured.

I have a feeling that wb and sengokou/garp will die in this war. So the marine and the wb pirates will loose someone. Don't know if it is going to be garp or sengokou don't both.

Don't know why but i don't see any commanders or admirals using haki. I think that only a select people can use it.I think that they know about it but don't fully understand it. Don't see ace using haki yet.

Is there going to be a one piece this week

[chess4]

I think that joz will be saved by ace, and ace doesn't die. He will lead the wb pirates with marco and joz at his side don't think that either of them will die or be captured.

I have a feeling that wb and sengokou/garp will die in this war. So the marine and the wb pirates will loose someone. Don't know if it is going to be garp or sengokou don't both.

Don't know why but i don't see any commanders or admirals using haki. I think that only a select people can use it.I think that they know about it but don't fully understand it. Don't see ace using haki yet.

Is there going to be a one piece this week

there is not. if you are wanting to read something and you only read one piece, read naruto(its greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat), bleach(its good, but i hope it picks up), or fairy tail(its surprisingly good)

anyway, maybe invankov hits WB with a hormone shot and he is at his prime again if only for a while. the WB alliance may have a chance then.
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naruto is ok
hope that bleach ends soon

Tips for any good anime

not forreal my friend. only thing i read/watch is naruto, one piece, bleach, and fairytail. seriously though, check on fairytail is ok

[evozoku]

First, Naruto has sucked balls for a while now. If you like soap operas, or emo stuff, mixed with a couple chapters a year of worthwhile storyline and action, then read Naruto (I wouldn't even suggest watching it in any case). I did used to LOVE Naruto, but after the time skip, it went to emo hell.

But who the hell reads/watches One Piece but wouldn't have read/watched Naruto? I'm sure there are better, less known suggestions out there.

That all being said, let's get back on topic, shall we?

Ace will not die. If he was going to die, he would have died during one of the two attempts so far.

Here's a question: Can someone that can use haki break out of sea stone handcuffs? Rayleigh could somehow use his haki to easily, and incredibly quickly, break off those exploding collars.

[blackking187]

It is possible don't know for sure

Don't think that marco or ace can use haki so they can't try it.
Believe that ace will use haki in the future

[Poneglyph420]

First, Naruto has sucked balls for a while now. If you like soap operas, or emo stuff, mixed with a couple chapters a year of worthwhile storyline and action, then read Naruto (I wouldn't even suggest watching it in any case). I did used to LOVE Naruto, but after the time skip, it went to emo hell.

But who the hell reads/watches One Piece but wouldn't have read/watched Naruto? I'm sure there are better, less known suggestions out there.

That all being said, let's get back on topic, shall we?

Ace will not die. If he was going to die, he would have died during one of the two attempts so far.

Here's a question: Can someone that can use haki break out of sea stone handcuffs? Rayleigh could somehow use his haki to easily, and incredibly quickly, break off those exploding collars.


Thanks for bringing the convo back to OP and the chapter at hand...
I also agree Ace probably won't die in this Arc, just had too many chances up til now.....

NOW, I severely doubt someone could break free from kairouseki cuffs. Especially a DF user. Also It's a safe assumption that it was indeed Haki that Rayleigh used to free Camie. But that's totally different then whatever makes Kairouseki... I doubt Marco specifically has much of a chance without outside intervention.....
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It is possible don't know for sure

Don't think that marco or ace can use haki so they can't try it.
Believe that ace will use haki in the future

Pretty sure both can use Haki to some degree...

Look at Marco kicking Aokiji.. or Ace vs BB....

They might not have mastered their abilities since they have powerful DF's and little danger serving under WB.. But to be chosen by WB I'd assume they have more than just DF's to stand on for power..

[isrnick]

I can't even conceive any chance of Ace dieing, just doesn't makes sense when I consider that it is about One Piece we are talking about...

Whitebeard's death in this war (or because of it), on the other hand, is an almost certain thing to me.


there is not. if you are wanting to read something and you only read one piece, read naruto(its greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat), bleach(its good, but i hope it picks up), or fairy tail(its surprisingly good)

Read "History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi" its awesome...

[shluffy]

wb is gnna die, thats for sure. i cant see him not dying. i also personally think no1 will show up at the war. i dont think its very likely of any1 showing up. ace cant die. i dunt think oda would go that far. i jus can't wait for garp and sengoku to get in this!!

[Bugzee]

Can't wait to see Garp's reaction to Luffy's Haki :Gaipose...Sengoku looked like he was about to p*ss himself muhahaha! WB will fall for sure imo.....I'm hoping Luffy is the one who will free Ace :thumbs



*Not long my fellow OP fans... not long.. until Ch.570 :shakefist....I hope everyone had a freaking awesome Xmas & New Year :thumbs*

[isrnick]

NOW, I severely doubt someone could break free from kairouseki cuffs. Especially a DF user. Also It's a safe assumption that it was indeed Haki that Rayleigh used to free Camie. But that's totally different then whatever makes Kairouseki... I doubt Marco specifically has much of a chance without outside intervention.....

Maybe I'm over-thinking it but if Luffy frees Ace, maybe Ace could just burn down Marco along with his kairouseki handcuffs, and Marco would come back from the ashes, as says the legend of the phoenix... :D

Since I saw Marco's akumanomi power for the first time, I keep wondering what a great combination must be Ace and Marco using their powers together.

[Poneglyph420]

Maybe I'm over-thinking it but if Luffy frees Ace, maybe Ace could just burn down Marco along with his kairouseki handcuffs, and Marco would come back from the ashes, as says the legend of the phoenix... :D

Since I saw Marco's akumanomi power for the first time, I keep wondering what a great combination must be Ace and Marco using their powers together.


As long as Marco has the 'cuffs on if Ace used his powers on him...
It would make grilled Marco.. His powers are made null by the Kairouseki..

That's why I'm worried about him..
Look here: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/569/06/
Looks like Marco got shot through the chest, maybe even the heart...???

[Vadz]

You guys do realise that jozu was being freeze when he was in a "human" form right?...not in a "diamond" form.I can't believed many people says he is in a diamond form.He's being distracted by an injured Marco and WB.Look again (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/569/07/).:eyeroll.I've looked at the panel again and just realised both of his arm cracked..Yes both of his left and right arm.He's dead meat if he's a paramecia..lol

lol, i didnt realize about that crack...
well, coz i was expecting this scene http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/14-15/
i THINK, everyone can tell in which form Jozu was when he was about to receive that attack. he's half diamond all right, and I am getting it that Jozu was in human form and his half-left got the slash and turned to be diamond.
the same scene that might happen to this frozen state, lets just hope that hes not an ordinary large-formed human. perhaps hes that kind of reptilia like Picollo in Dragon Ball :D

[kashmiri_786]

It's kinda like they were all focusing on killing the giant tiger, and just realized the annoying kitten they had been shoving aside was a lion cub. =D

i thought tigers where stronger than lions...? lol

[Winlyx-chan]

After reading the last couple pages (I was away for a while) I have come to the conclusion that some of you people are nuts. No offence but to those who think Ace is going to die I have a question for you. If he's meant to die then what was the point of dragging his rescue on for over a year (almost two if I remember correctly)? Not to mention if Ace is meant to die then why did Oda show Hancock giving Luffy the key to Ace's Seastone chains? What is he going to do with that if Ace dies? Throw the key away and say oh well? Were the last 50+ chapters nothing more then some BS time while Oda figures out what he's going to do with this manga.

This and the last entire Arc were both centered around Saving Ace (though this one is also WB vs WG centered as well) if Oda was going to kill him then why not finish him off already? WB is as good as dead as is Jozu and Marco by the looks of things. My guess at the end of the Arc Ace will be freed (most likely by Luffy especially since he has the key) and after a chapter or two of luffy healing after saving Ace he will go back to Get Sunny and meet up with the rest of his crew (If they didn't show up during the war, I'm still not sold on them not showing up).

Hancock will also be with Luffy for at least a little while until she can at least get back to her own crew. After all she did to help him (and I don't think that she's quite done yet) I can't see even the WG overlooking her betrayal.

I also can't see Luffy having to look for the rest of his crew. It's obvious from the cover pages that the crew is slowly but surely making their way back to where they were separated. Usopp was originally on an island that was deserted except for the one guy he first met and huge now he's in a village and normal again. Zoro was fighting ghosts now he's in a field chasing a lion. Slowly the crew is making their way back together.

My guess for next major arc: (If Hancock stays w/ the SH pirates for a while) A battle against the celestial dragons (hancock will get caught somehow and her past will surface again). Not to mention w/ WB gone slavery might be in full effect again at merman Island which is where luffy will head next. Which could also mean more Jimbei involvement in the future.

[LG4Lyfe]

After reading the last couple pages (I was away for a while) I have come to the conclusion that some of you people are nuts. No offence but to those who think Ace is going to die I have a question for you. If he's meant to die then what was the point of dragging his rescue on for over a year (almost two if I remember correctly)? Not to mention if Ace is meant to die then why did Oda show Hancock giving Luffy the key to Ace's Seastone chains? What is he going to do with that if Ace dies? Throw the key away and say oh well? Were the last 50+ chapters nothing more then some BS time while Oda figures out what he's going to do with this manga.

This and the last entire Arc were both centered around Saving Ace (though this one is also WB vs WG centered as well) if Oda was going to kill him then why not finish him off already? WB is as good as dead as is Jozu and Marco by the looks of things. My guess at the end of the Arc Ace will be freed (most likely by Luffy especially since he has the key) and after a chapter or two of luffy healing after saving Ace he will go back to Get Sunny and meet up with the rest of his crew (If they didn't show up during the war, I'm still not sold on them not showing up).

Hancock will also be with Luffy for at least a little while until she can at least get back to her own crew. After all she did to help him (and I don't think that she's quite done yet) I can't see even the WG overlooking her betrayal.

I also can't see Luffy having to look for the rest of his crew. It's obvious from the cover pages that the crew is slowly but surely making their way back to where they were separated. Usopp was originally on an island that was deserted except for the one guy he first met and huge now he's in a village and normal again. Zoro was fighting ghosts now he's in a field chasing a lion. Slowly the crew is making their way back together.

My guess for next major arc: (If Hancock stays w/ the SH pirates for a while) A battle against the celestial dragons (hancock will get caught somehow and her past will surface again). Not to mention w/ WB gone slavery might be in full effect again at merman Island which is where luffy will head next. Which could also mean more Jimbei involvement in the future.

i agree with you it wouldnt make any sense for people to say that ace dies when luffy has the key. I'm not sure about marco and jozu dieing but I do have a feeling whitebeard will die. Also that is an interesting prediction about merman island I could see that happening.

My guess is I think the strawhats will use the biblicard that rayleigh gave them to find him and they will all meet up and rayleigh will take them to marineford on the thousand sunny to either help luffy save ace or help luffy escape.

[Poneglyph420]

I also can't see Luffy having to look for the rest of his crew. It's obvious from the cover pages that the crew is slowly but surely making their way back to where they were separated. Usopp was originally on an island that was deserted except for the one guy he first met and huge now he's in a village and normal again. Zoro was fighting ghosts now he's in a field chasing a lion. Slowly the crew is making their way back together.


I agree with some other parts of your post. Well said and thought out. However I don't think the cover pages where Zoro was chasing a lion or Robin was leading ducklings are story relevant. Often throughout the manga such cover series have been used, and mark a break from the story relevant covers.

That's why we really don't know what's up with the SH for now..

[craziii]

cut off marco's hands, boom! regeneration! why burn him? he can even do this on his own if he wants.

[ANBU4U]

After reading the last couple pages (I was away for a while) I have come to the conclusion that some of you people are nuts. No offence but to those who think Ace is going to die I have a question for you. If he's meant to die then what was the point of dragging his rescue on for over a year (almost two if I remember correctly)? Not to mention if Ace is meant to die then why did Oda show Hancock giving Luffy the key to Ace's Seastone chains? What is he going to do with that if Ace dies? Throw the key away and say oh well? Were the last 50+ chapters nothing more then some BS time while Oda figures out what he's going to do with this manga.

This and the last entire Arc were both centered around Saving Ace (though this one is also WB vs WG centered as well) if Oda was going to kill him then why not finish him off already? WB is as good as dead as is Jozu and Marco by the looks of things. My guess at the end of the Arc Ace will be freed (most likely by Luffy especially since he has the key) and after a chapter or two of luffy healing after saving Ace he will go back to Get Sunny and meet up with the rest of his crew (If they didn't show up during the war, I'm still not sold on them not showing up).

Hancock will also be with Luffy for at least a little while until she can at least get back to her own crew. After all she did to help him (and I don't think that she's quite done yet) I can't see even the WG overlooking her betrayal.

I also can't see Luffy having to look for the rest of his crew. It's obvious from the cover pages that the crew is slowly but surely making their way back to where they were separated. Usopp was originally on an island that was deserted except for the one guy he first met and huge now he's in a village and normal again. Zoro was fighting ghosts now he's in a field chasing a lion. Slowly the crew is making their way back together.

My guess for next major arc: (If Hancock stays w/ the SH pirates for a while) A battle against the celestial dragons (hancock will get caught somehow and her past will surface again). Not to mention w/ WB gone slavery might be in full effect again at merman Island which is where luffy will head next. Which could also mean more Jimbei involvement in the future.

That was the most unintentionally hilarious thing I've seen written on these boards in 5 years. You realize the "Strawhats with Animals" cover stories are just random drawings right? They are in no way chronologically connected to the story. No more than a pretty color page.

Its just something Oda does between "Where Are They Now" cover Arcs, and Traditional cover Arcs.

The Strawhat Separation Serial prooobably counted as a "Where are they now Arc" but maybe not. either way after this "Strawhats with Animals Arc" ends (Nami, Sanji, Vivi, and Caru are left) another Cover story should start.

[johnnyb7]

there is not. if you are wanting to read something and you only read one piece, read naruto(its greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat), bleach(its good, but i hope it picks up), or fairy tail(its surprisingly good)

Naruto is bad at times, picks up, then gets worse

Bleach i just read through and i like it

Fairy tail is very good

One piece is the best :)
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After reading the last couple pages (I was away for a while) I have come to the conclusion that some of you people are nuts. No offence but to those who think Ace is going to die I have a question for you. If he's meant to die then what was the point of dragging his rescue on for over a year (almost two if I remember correctly)? Not to mention if Ace is meant to die then why did Oda show Hancock giving Luffy the key to Ace's Seastone chains? What is he going to do with that if Ace dies? Throw the key away and say oh well? Were the last 50+ chapters nothing more then some BS time while Oda figures out what he's going to do with this manga.

This and the last entire Arc were both centered around Saving Ace (though this one is also WB vs WG centered as well) if Oda was going to kill him then why not finish him off already? WB is as good as dead as is Jozu and Marco by the looks of things. My guess at the end of the Arc Ace will be freed (most likely by Luffy especially since he has the key) and after a chapter or two of luffy healing after saving Ace he will go back to Get Sunny and meet up with the rest of his crew (If they didn't show up during the war, I'm still not sold on them not showing up).

Hancock will also be with Luffy for at least a little while until she can at least get back to her own crew. After all she did to help him (and I don't think that she's quite done yet) I can't see even the WG overlooking her betrayal.

I also can't see Luffy having to look for the rest of his crew. It's obvious from the cover pages that the crew is slowly but surely making their way back to where they were separated. Usopp was originally on an island that was deserted except for the one guy he first met and huge now he's in a village and normal again. Zoro was fighting ghosts now he's in a field chasing a lion. Slowly the crew is making their way back together.

My guess for next major arc: (If Hancock stays w/ the SH pirates for a while) A battle against the celestial dragons (hancock will get caught somehow and her past will surface again). Not to mention w/ WB gone slavery might be in full effect again at merman Island which is where luffy will head next. Which could also mean more Jimbei involvement in the future.

Even if Ace died this war would still surve an enormous purpose for furthering the plot of the manga. It would mean the end of Whitebeard and his entire crew, and it would make itseem as if the world government is gaining solid control over the world (over the shichibukai and Yonkou). The war shows Luffy's potential and would give him the ability to replace Whitebeard as a new yonkou or make his way up to eventually become the pirate king. It would give Luffy a lot of control over the age of the pirates too, since he's got a pirate kings haki (i guess?) so the world government is going to go crazy trying to catch and kill him after this.

Also if Ace survived what would he do? Compete with Luffy for pirate king? Shrug off into the mist and be hunted by the WG for the rest of his life? The WG would have just killed most all of his crew, his captain and a lot of people important to him (Oars Jr.). I can't see him joining Luffy's crew, but I can understand that a lot of people could see that. I just think Ace wouldn't work under his brother, despite his powerful haki.

So to anyone bashing the idea of Ace being executed, what would happen to Ace if he survived?

[Winlyx-chan]

Naruto is bad at times, picks up, then gets worse

Bleach i just read through and i like it

Fairy tail is very good

One piece is the best :)

Right now (I read bleach, naruto and one piece) I would say one piece is the best out of the three of them. Currently naruto is focusing on Sasuke and has hit a stale point. Enough with the kid's horrible past and screwed up relatives. Get on w/ the story already! Not to mention Donzo is as screwed up as can get. As for bleach I like it but it seems to be moving slow. I'm hoping the next chapter actually has some action.

As for your question about what would happen to Ace if he survived there are several different options open for his future. He could decide to carry on his 'fathers' name and continue to sail the sea keeping the legacy of WB alive. He could decide to pursue his father's dream and try to become the pirate king himself as WB wanted him to be. Or there's even a slight (and at the moment I mean slight) chance that Ace could someday join his brother's crew. The SH pirates have two very open positions that the crew could use to their advantage. One is a fast swimmer for all the DF users who either think they can swim or constantly fall into the water themselves (a merman, fishman, or mermaid would be perfect for this) and the other is a Logia user (chopper is zoan and robin, luffy, and brook are all parmecia and yes I know I didn''t spell that right). After all who's to say that when they were still kids Ace didn't make a promise to Luffy that if Luffy could ever beat Ace, Ace would join his little brothers crew. After all Ace wouldn't join a crew where he was stronger then the captian but if the captian defeated him and proved he was stronger then it is possible

And as for Ace vs Luffy I can't see anyone not wanting to see/read that battle. It could be epic in its self knowing what oda could do with that battle in the future

Also ANBU4U if what you say is true and that the cover pages are just fillers I still can't see Oda after making it so far through the grand line having luffy go back to previous points to find his crew. I still think that the crew will meet up again (either during or after the WB vs WG war and Ace rescue).

I also don't see a time jump in this manga. A lot of people have been predicting a time jump after this arc where we're so many years in the future however i can't see it. I can see a possible chapter (or two) dedicated to each member of the SH pirates and their development during their time getting back to the rest of the crew. However not an actual time leap to years later. Oda just doesn't seem like the type of writer to do that kinda thing. He's been writing this manga for over 10 years and hasn't had a time jump yet I see no reason to do one now.

Not to mention that the crew is still at least one member short. I'm still not positive on the whole 10 crew member thing luffy said in one of the early chapters. Did he mean he wanted to be captain of a 10 member crew or he wanted 10 members including himself? However either case he still is missing member(s). I can't see any real development for the crew as a whole (which a time jump would do) without a complete crew.

As this current arc continues to develop I honestly am starting to believe that there won't be a new member joining after the arc. At least not permanently. I can see Hancock joining for a little while but only temporally until the SH pirates get her back to her own crew (in a sense I can see Hancock becoming a second Vivi in a way). A fight with the Celestial dragon of course before Hancock is reunited with her crew.

[Fox666]

Also if Ace survived what would he do? (...) I can't see him joining Luffy's crew, but I can understand that a lot of people could see that. I just think Ace wouldn't work under his brother, despite his powerful haki.?He would, that's 100% sure. Only if he get to knew Luffy gave up 10 years of his life to save him...

[Poneglyph420]

Naruto is bad at times, picks up, then gets worse

Bleach i just read through and i like it

Fairy tail is very good

One piece is the best :)
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Even if Ace died this war would still surve an enormous purpose for furthering the plot of the manga. It would mean the end of Whitebeard and his entire crew, and it would make itseem as if the world government is gaining solid control over the world (over the shichibukai and Yonkou). The war shows Luffy's potential and would give him the ability to replace Whitebeard as a new yonkou or make his way up to eventually become the pirate king. It would give Luffy a lot of control over the age of the pirates too, since he's got a pirate kings haki (i guess?) so the world government is going to go crazy trying to catch and kill him after this.

Also if Ace survived what would he do? Compete with Luffy for pirate king? Shrug off into the mist and be hunted by the WG for the rest of his life? The WG would have just killed most all of his crew, his captain and a lot of people important to him (Oars Jr.). I can't see him joining Luffy's crew, but I can understand that a lot of people could see that. I just think Ace wouldn't work under his brother, despite his powerful haki.

So to anyone bashing the idea of Ace being executed, what would happen to Ace if he survived?

You make some good points.
And honestly if Ace lives or dies, this will be a turning point.
And it could be the mass execution of the WB pirates..

BUT.. If Ace were to survive, no doubt he'd never follow Luffy.
I don't see that coming, at all...
If there was a remnant i think they'd follow him as it seems WB might of wished....
I also think that if it comes to it Garp will have to step in.

Ace has just shown all this character development and back history and story.... To now be killed at the climax of the epic battle of an era..?
I sure hope not. It will cost much and mark the end of the Age of WB IMO. Perhaps a "rampaging age" begins..??

Also Squad would if he makes it I bet...
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/563/12-13/
After what happened I'm sure he's been changed..

But for sure however Oda makes the rest of this arc go down.. It's gonna be sweet!

[craziii]

ace will never join luffy's crew, it just doesn't work. they have 2 conflicting ambitions. if he survives, all of the remaining WB crew will be trying to make him pirate king. there is no way in hell he will be joining SH crew.

he made a promise when they were kids? how did you know that? huh???

I am sure we all know WB will die. I guess it is about time. he dies and the true age of the new pirates will begin. hence the 2nd half of OP!!! WB's death is the mid point mark of the manga.

[deffkryz]

Even if Ace died this war would still surve an enormous purpose for furthering the plot of the manga. It would mean the end of Whitebeard and his entire crew, and it would make itseem as if the world government is gaining solid control over the world (over the shichibukai and Yonkou).

No... You may not forget: Ace is a (former) Rookie - that wasn't mentioned without a purpose.

And: Making Ace survive by knowing that he survived


being at Impel Down and Marineford
having managed to escape his (almost) certain death
being Gold Roger's and Whitebeard's son (no MPREG fantasies please)
there were more than 1.600 pirates risking their lives for him

That will make become such Ace a great character having that much of fate on his shoulders to bare. As we know from the American comic scene: Those are the most interesting characters you can ever create - and they don't even have to show up for quite some time.

Oda just can't afford to make him die - it doesn't fit into building his character with flashbacks focussed on Ace. He's much too valuable since Oda put too much of effort into creating him.


The war shows Luffy's potential and would give him the ability to replace Whitebeard as a new yonkou or make his way up to eventually become the pirate king. It would give Luffy a lot of control over the age of the pirates too, since he's got a pirate kings haki (i guess?) so the world government is going to go crazy trying to catch and kill him after this.

Oh c'mon, don't you get that?! Luffy isn't interested at all in becoming neither a Yonkou nor a Shichibukai. He wants it all and become the Pirate King without conquering - or at least having a great adventure. "Yonkou" is a title that doesn't mean anything to him but "ooh, a strong person to fight against! Gimme!!!" - nothing worth to achieve since he would be respected only as Yonkou. It would be a dead end - we haven't seen any Yonkou that wasn't "old" in a way: Shanks has always been boozed so far, and this war is the first time we see WB without his medication plugs... and I'm quite sure that Kaidou will be either a panty fetishist or someone extremely firm and old-fashioned (like a shogun). Luffy is much too far away from being that way.

Besides this: After this war, there won't be any "yonkou" nor "shichibukai" titles, at least not for that long. This event will end the balance of the Three Powers.


Also if Ace survived what would he do? Compete with Luffy for pirate king?

Most probably since his "Oyaji" wanted Ace to be anyway. WB sees in Ace the future as Shanks did with Luffy. WB will make Ace promise that he'll be the Pirate King and fulfill his final wish by dying.

Again: This arc isn't focussed on Ace's death and its outcome - there are just too many hints that WB's death has much more weight to the world of OP that it would render Ace's death completely meaningless - even by knowing much less about WB's background than we know about Ace's.


Shrug off into the mist and be hunted by the WG for the rest of his life?

Most certainly not. Ace will be hunted anyway - so why would he hide? He isn't a coward and if he was able to he'd fight for his life right to the very end. He already showed that attitude against Blackbeard. But he can't since he's still injured, Sengoku is standing right next to him, Garp and the admirals aren't that far to knock out Sengoku with a surprise attack. Even with his DF powers he'd have a hard time - but with his kaioseki handcuffs, it's impossible, and Ace knows that.

It might look as if Ace wasn't able to fight because of his broken will, but it's also that he doesn't have any opportunity to move.


The WG would have just killed most all of his crew, his captain and a lot of people important to him (Oars Jr.). I can't see him joining Luffy's crew, but I can understand that a lot of people could see that. I just think Ace wouldn't work under his brother, despite his powerful haki.

Why would you bring that up? They promised each other to go their own ways on becoming great pirates. And yes, it is conformable that Luffy came to Ace's aid - as Ace fought Blackbeard because he wanted to protect Luffy. I'm quite sure that Luffy never wanted Ace to protect him from Blackbeard.

And Luffy put down Ace's offer to become a member of WB's crew (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/159/09/). So why the hell should Luffy turn the tables and offer Ace to join his crew when there's still at least the Spade Pirates' reformation as a possibility? And since Ace's former crewmembers haven't been shown that much, you can easily guess, that they will still have their moment.


So to anyone bashing the idea of Ace being executed, what would happen to Ace if he survived?

So to anyone bashing the idea of Ace surviving: Can you come out of your fantasies that only limit the world of One Piece, please? Ace's death is a great loss to the potential of One Piece much more than it is a win - there's one real concurrent less for Luffy for the "crown" of the Pirate King. You really expect someone like Capone Gang Bege to be someone that could fill that gap Ace would leave?! Really?! Or Squard? X. Drake?

Oh, and BTW, even as recurring character, Ace won't be a regular character that'll show up in every single arc from now on. I guess Ace would be great for becoming a second cover story, but he isn't a main character that is shown all the time - so Luffy and his mates will still make the major part of what Oda intends us to show.

Fact is: We know almost nothing how Oda intends to continue OP after this arc, but there's a need for the Mugiwaras to regather together and for them to get to Fishmen's Island - so it's not a question of what would, could or should happen to Ace if he survived, after this war, Ace will get back into the story's background.

But for now, what I think what'll happen to Ace: He'll take a deep breath, put on his hat (with the laughing and droopy mask), thank Luffy, and take his mates onto his own adventure - some chapters after his escape.

edit: Oh... and before I forget it: Oda doesn't like making characters die out of the purpose for furthering the plot. That totally contradicts his way of story-telling. He said that either in one of the SBS or the Color Walk interviews I think, didn't he?

[Guru Nanak]

I'm not sure what's the end of this arc, but I'm thinking its gonna be a sad one. Whether Ace or Whitebeard is done for...there's no big drinking party after the arc..

[msg]

Can't believe some of you guys want Ace to die that quickly..even Jozu and Marco.We barely knew them and yet some of you guys wanted to see them die so quickly?..why? for the sake of luffy become "emo" or revengeful like Sasugay..lol.Oh please..I hope Oda will not go to that direction...it's counter progressive imo.Ace still have so much to learn.What Ace can do if he survived in this war is to guide Luffy of who's who(especially the two unknown Yonkou) of the new world, split up with Luffy and become a rival and an ally to SH pirates..

Why do i get a feelings Luffy will make friends with the two unknown Yonkou..If he was able to do that..that's it, luffy is already a pirate king:amuse

[Straw.Hat Luffy]

Agree with deffkryz, but if Luffy needs a fishman , Jinbei would be more than good, wouldn't he?

[gesgift]

Agree with deffkryz, but if Luffy needs a fishman , Jinbei would be more than good, wouldn't he?

I predict Jimbei will probably die, but maybe not yet in the next chapter. I'm very curious about the reactions (or just the coming actions) of both Garp and Croc...

[Franklyn D. Kieran]

I predict Jimbei will probably die, but maybe not yet in the next chapter. I'm very curious about the reactions (or just the coming actions) of both Garp and Croc...

I Don't think Jimbei will die, i still think he has yet to fight Luffy and if Ace manages to survive in this War then him also.

[moonster x]

so every one of character in one piece will die..... ace,whitebeard, marco,jos,jimbei etc even luffy... hey...why people want to see death in one piece?? this manga never shown people die so easily... even with bomb that destroy within 1km they never die...sight... :o

im just thinking if garp try to stop luffy... will he get the effect like when they at water7... or luffy will overcome his fear for garp :p. that one thing i want to know ;)... dont know who will try to stop luffy at this time.. maybe kizaru,aokiji,akainu,garp or maybe sengoku... about whitebeard it look like he can still move...:) not gonna die for this time and moment..

[loveMachine]

Jimbei cant die, somehow I think hes gonna lead strawhats to that fisherman island. I think Rayleigh might die in this arc if he commes with supernovas.

Spoilers should comme out today right ?

[Mr.Popo]

so ace dies, wb dies, luffy get arrested and we have a timeskip for 5 years while luffy is in jail, then his crew breaks him out, and the journey continiues.
Since the Shabondy incident I also thing that somethink like that might happen.



It's time for the old guys to go to retirement and leave the stage for new generation.
That's what i think too.
I think this war is a turning point in the story. The old generation (WB/Garp) leaves the stage and the new generation (Luffy) enters.
But not only that. With WB's socalled "death" the age of pirates itself will change.
I don't like big timeskips (exchange of all characters at once), but it could happen to settle the changes this war inflicts.



After reading the last couple pages (I was away for a while) I have come to the conclusion that some of you people are nuts. No offence but to those who think Ace is going to die I have a question for you. If he's meant to die then what was the point of dragging his rescue on for over a year (almost two if I remember correctly)?
Do you really think this war is about Ace's rescue (from Oda's POV)?
To rescue Ace is the reason why all the characters are gathered here at MHQ, but most of the time there is a higher reason (story wise) for things to happen.

I'm not saying Ace will die - you are right, Luffy has the keys to his handcuffs for a reason - but rescuing Ace is the least important/interesting part of this war.

[Winlyx-chan]

Jimbei cant die, somehow I think hes gonna lead strawhats to that fisherman island. I think Rayleigh might die in this arc if he commes with supernovas.

Spoilers should comme out today right ?

I Agree I can't see Jimbei dying. However I don't think Rayleigh is going to die as I don't think he'll show up. He mentioned that he didn't want the world to know he's alive and that he wanted to stay in the shadows. Not to mention there is no real reason for him to show up. Even if Ace is his former captain's son I can't see him showing up to Marineford just to save ace. He wasn't even watching the broadcast with the other supernovas so we don't even know if he knows that Ace is Roger's son. For all we know he isn't interested in the broadcast and Ace's execution and didn't hear the shocking news.

And if spoilers were going to come out this week they would have been out already. The last chapter came out a week early which meant that there was a good chance that we were going to have to wait three weeks for the next chapter. However there should be a new chapter next week. And hopefuly with a three week chapter break Oda will have as good (if not better) a chapter as the last one. End the year with a bang and start the new year with a bang.

[johnnyb7]

I think, no matter how this arc turns out, the world will fall into complete chaos after this arc (like how fishman island was in chaos) and slowly Luffy will gain control over it as the pirate king.

I don't think there'll be a time skip, that doesn't seem like Oda's style.

[elitefox]

Naruto is bad at times, picks up, then gets worse

Bleach i just read through and i like it

Fairy tail is very good

One piece is the best :)
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Even if Ace died this war would still surve an enormous purpose for furthering the plot of the manga. It would mean the end of Whitebeard and his entire crew, and it would make itseem as if the world government is gaining solid control over the world (over the shichibukai and Yonkou). The war shows Luffy's potential and would give him the ability to replace Whitebeard as a new yonkou or make his way up to eventually become the pirate king. It would give Luffy a lot of control over the age of the pirates too, since he's got a pirate kings haki (i guess?) so the world government is going to go crazy trying to catch and kill him after this.

Also if Ace survived what would he do? Compete with Luffy for pirate king? Shrug off into the mist and be hunted by the WG for the rest of his life? The WG would have just killed most all of his crew, his captain and a lot of people important to him (Oars Jr.). I can't see him joining Luffy's crew, but I can understand that a lot of people could see that. I just think Ace wouldn't work under his brother, despite his powerful haki.

So to anyone bashing the idea of Ace being executed, what would happen to Ace if he survived?

but the thing is luffy is not interested in that sort of thing... protecting nakama yes. but the only position he wants and will be is the pirate king who has the most freedom of the people living in the OP world;)

[chess4]

I think, no matter how this arc turns out, the world will fall into complete chaos after this arc (like how fishman island was in chaos) and slowly Luffy will gain control over it as the pirate king.

I don't think there'll be a time skip, that doesn't seem like Oda's style.

luffy isnt ready to gain control over nothing. the only places he has respect is the places he has helped(the strawhats hometowns, alabasta, and skypeia, and the city he saved zoro in.) luffy is no where near ready to put his name on anything, he isnt even a top 20 fighter in one piece. he has a long way to go before his name is feared

[Winlyx-chan]

luffy isnt ready to gain control over nothing. the only places he has respect is the places he has helped(the strawhats hometowns, alabasta, and skypeia, and the city he saved zoro in.) luffy is no where near ready to put his name on anything, he isnt even a top 20 fighter in one piece. he has a long way to go before his name is feared

I do agree with what you are saying to some degree however I think you are underestimating him as well. After all taking down enis loby wasn't an easy feat not to mention that though he isn't quite the powerhouse yet in the manga he is more known then just by those he already helped. After all both kid and law knew him as well as shakki from reading about the SH exploits in the newspapers. So he isn't as unknown as you are implying.

However as I mentioned before I can't see a time skip until at least a complete crew. Time skips in general only occur after all the major characters have been introduced. However we know from chapter 1 that luffy wants a crew of 10 and he currently only has either 9 or 8 (if Oda ever said what luffy meant when he said "A crew of 10 should do it" and meant that he wanted to be captain over 10 or he wanted a crew of 10 including himself please let me know.) Which means that there is at least one if not 2 characters missing.

Also depending on what roll he will partake in this war and rescuing ace could also improve his status in the world of pirates as well. After all it's hard for the WG to ignore or consider small fry and other pirates not respect a guy/crew who defeats Enis Loby, breaks into then out of Impel down, takes down 2 shichibukai (though only one defeat was released to the public, no one knows about the battle against Moria), and attacks the celestial dragons.

[ANBU4U]

He would, that's 100% sure. Only if he get to knew Luffy gave up 10 years of his life to save him...

Ace will never join Luffy's crew. No more than Luffy would Join WB's or Ace would join Blackbeards. Hed sooner cut off his own balls and hand them to Luffy.

Lets be real here. Marco, Joz, and the VAST majority of WB's crew are going to survive this somehow. And Ace WILL be rescued. Its just gonna happen, truust me, Oda wont trow us much of a curve ball there.

Whitebeards a dead man (era) walking, but once Ace is free his clear desire will come true (raising one man for to stand at the head of the next generation) there is NO way, (after a chapter or two of emotional prodding from his crew and mayybe Luffy) Ace doesn't unite whats left of WB's crew and aim for the top. Id also be very surprised if Jimbei didn't join him as he really seems to be their nakama at heart AND his presence would help balance out the loss of WB when alls said and done.

He and Luffy will be the WG's biggest nightmare.

Let me restate, No one we know the name of, other than Whitebeard will die. And we MAY not even be able to see that live, we might here about his great sacrifice or something after Luffy passes out and wakes up. The only reason Im certain WB will actually die is because he's incurably Ill. Incurable Illness is Oda favorite cause of death.
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I do agree with what you are saying to some degree however I think you are underestimating him as well. After all taking down enis loby wasn't an easy feat not to mention that though he isn't quite the powerhouse yet in the manga he is more known then just by those he already helped. After all both kid and law knew him as well as shakki from reading about the SH exploits in the newspapers. So he isn't as unknown as you are implying.

However as I mentioned before I can't see a time skip until at least a complete crew. Time skips in general only occur after all the major characters have been introduced. However we know from chapter 1 that luffy wants a crew of 10 and he currently only has either 9 or 8 (if Oda ever said what luffy meant when he said "A crew of 10 should do it" and meant that he wanted to be captain over 10 or he wanted a crew of 10 including himself please let me know.) Which means that there is at least one if not 2 characters missing.

Also depending on what roll he will partake in this war and rescuing ace could also improve his status in the world of pirates as well. After all it's hard for the WG to ignore or consider small fry and other pirates not respect a guy/crew who defeats Enis Loby, breaks into then out of Impel down, takes down 2 shichibukai (though only one defeat was released to the public, no one knows about the battle against Moria), and attacks the celestial dragons.

Luffy is quite Infamous, but not much more than any of the other Supernova. Certainly after this mess he will be though. Regardless, reputation and mettle are to different things. Nico Robin is will known, doesn't mean she can walk into the New World and own the place. Luffy has the tools, but not the skill. His whole crew was wrecked by 1 pacifista while in close to top condition. The NW pirates have been handling them in stride while marching towards Ace and worrying about the Marines. Theres a gap here. If there weren't Oda would have never sent the mugiwaras away.

If they never show up in this war thats the biggest referendum on their abilities Oda could make.

[vagabond87]

Let me restate, No one we know the name of, other than Whitebeard will die.
Oars will die.. Will he?:s Maby he will stand again on the end of the next chapter, do something important and then die.Really great character but he is to big and taken to much damage to escape with Ace and Whitebeard pirates..

[isrnick]

How I see the current developments:

Sengoku has something planed, something big, he wouldn´t declare war right now against Whitebeard otherwise.

Whitebeard is weak, thanks to his old age and his sickness, so Sengoku saw the opportunity to eliminate WB once and for all, and he probably was planning of doing so for some time now, and Blackbeard´s application for the shichibukai title, by arresting Ace, came in the perfect moment.

But I think that Sengoku wouldn´t risk engaging the WG forces in this war, gathering all the strongest marines in one place, under the risk of losing great part of the WG strength if many of them die in this war, and leaving the rest of the world almost completely unprotected, if he didn´t had some kind of plan about what to do once this war ends.

Something makes me suspect that this plan has something to do with the Pacifista, maybe the WG is planning to deploy a true giant army of Pacifista around the world, and is almost ready to do so.

Which makes me wonder if the next adventure of the Strawhats will have something to do with Vegapunk.

[1nfamous]

I think it's possible that, Jimbei might be the fishman that joins mugiwaras crew out of everyone in this arc ( but I do wish for Boa Hancock to join, but that won't be happening ).

[Black Lagoon]

Oars will die.. Will he?:s Maby he will stand again on the end of the next chapter, do something important and then die.Really great character but he is to big and taken to much damage to escape with Ace and Whitebeard pirates..

More important than throwing a ship? :o (:P)
But I think hope (I've nothing against him ;)) he dies, because with one leg he can not do much, of course his Huge body can cover this mess, but after all what happened to him in this war, he can not he shouldn't make it.

BTW : You guys are underestimating Luffy as Winlyx-chan said, bounty, EL, ID, SA, declaration of war (back in EL against the WG), this war ... without mentioning the broadcast, the whole f**king world saw him talking in equal to WhiteBeard.

And even if it's not for what he did, they know that he's Dragon-Kun's son (:p), I mean, people would think that a just little mistake and you have Dragon with the revolutionary army showing up to beat the s**t out of you

[chess4]

How I see the current developments:

Sengoku has something planed, something big, he wouldn´t declare war right now against Whitebeard otherwise.

Whitebeard is weak, thanks to his old age and his sickness, so Sengoku saw the opportunity to eliminate WB once and for all, and he probably was planning of doing so for some time now, and Blackbeard´s application for the shichibukai title, by arresting Ace, came in the perfect moment.

But I think that Sengoku wouldn´t risk engaging the WG forces in this war, gathering all the strongest marines in one place, under the risk of losing great part of the WG strength if many of them die in this war, and leaving the rest of the world almost completely unprotected, if he didn´t had some kind of plan about what to do once this war ends.

Something makes me suspect that this plan has something to do with the Pacifista, maybe the WG is planning to deploy a true giant army of Pacifista around the world, and is almost ready to do so.

Which makes me wonder if the next adventure of the Strawhats will have something to do with Vegapunk.

all the strategic moves on both sides have been used, now its about brute force. i still think garp will turn on the WG to help save ace. one of the following has to happen for the WB alliance to have a chance

1 garp fights sengoku so luffy can get to ace
2 invonkov gives a WB a vigor shot
3 help arrives in the form of rayleigh or supernova's)

if luffy can get to ace then ace can help fight. either way sengoku has to be held off by someone. as i see it only 2 people currently on the battlefield can do it,WB and garp. WB cant in his condition.

if invonkov hits WB with with a hormone shot and he fights like the old WB, and garp fights sengoku, then the alliance can win.

if that doesnt happen, then some serious help has to arrive

[vagabond87]

More important than throwing a ship? :o (:P)

Something less important but still something :p
Maby after freeing Ace by someone he will block the gap in the wall..
I know its funny but somehow I see him doing something(more than flicking a finger :) third and the last time and then dying:darn

[chess4]

as much as i hate to say this, but i think the o boy oars jr. is done for. i think all the shichibukai will be players in the new world, and currently moria's crew isnt that strong. i think oars will die, and he will become moria's trump card.

[isrnick]

all the strategic moves on both sides have been used, now its about brute force. i still think garp will turn on the WG to help save ace. one of the following has to happen for the WB alliance to have a chance

1 garp fights sengoku so luffy can get to ace
2 invonkov gives a WB a vigor shot
3 help arrives in the form of rayleigh or supernova's)

if luffy can get to ace then ace can help fight. either way sengoku has to be held off by someone. as i see it only 2 people currently on the battlefield can do it,WB and garp. WB cant in his condition.

if invonkov hits WB with with a hormone shot and he fights like the old WB, and garp fights sengoku, then the alliance can win.

if that doesnt happen, then some serious help has to arrive

When I said that he has something planed, I wasn´t referring to any new strategic move during this war, I meant that he has something planed for after the Whitebeard´s death and the end of the war, and this is the reason why he chose to fight against WB now.


But about Sengoku and Garp, I said it already, Buggy will take care of doing something that will get them out of Luffy´s way... And since he was one of Gol D. Roger pirates, he may very well have some knowledge about what are their powers, and how to deal with both of them.

[Black Lagoon]

as much as i hate to say this, but i think the o boy oars jr. is done for. i think all the shichibukai will be players in the new world, and currently moria's crew isnt that strong. i think oars will die, and he will become moria's trump card.

IMO, that would never happen, neither Ace nor the NW pirates or the pirates in general, would let that happen (leave Oars's body in the hand of a maniac). :tem

[ANBU4U]

Oars will die.. Will he?:s Maby he will stand again on the end of the next chapter, do something important and then die.Really great character but he is to big and taken to much damage to escape with Ace and Whitebeard pirates..

Oars will live. Count on it. If Pell lived, Oars will. Oda isnt going to kill ANYONE. EVER, except mayyybe whitebeard, and that will be more of a natural death than anything.

And even so I still wouldn't be incredibly shocked if oda wanked out on that and just neutered WB somehow...

flashbacks only people. We're almost 600 chapters in. We know this.

[Black Lagoon]

Lol, but it'd be very tough to take a "paralyzed" huge body away from there.

[chess4]

IMO, that would never happen, neither Ace nor the NW pirates or the pirates in general, would let that happen (leave Oars's body in the hand of a maniac). :tem

if oars dies, then who is going to pick that big body up, lol. jozu and WB a pretty strong, but they are both down right now.

[vagabond87]

Whitebaeards trump card PROBABLY could be used without Oars- first person that Whitebeard told to get ready for using it was Jozu.. Maby Vegapunk will do some cyborg out of bearly living Oars. Dont want to see Moria making zombie out of him. Oda probably wont use the same trick twice and gigant "pacifista" made out of Oars can work in the story.. Somehow :P

[Black Lagoon]

if oars dies, then who is going to pick that big body up, lol. jozu and WB a pretty strong, but they are both down right now.

Lol, you're a bit late :facepalm this is exactly what I said above xd
but it's true, he's f**king huge, the problem is in picking him (grabbing him)

[Super Angillis]

Oars hell, I'm worried they'll make a Pacifista out of WHITEBEARD!
Anyways, I don't see Ace joining the Strawhats. Instead I see him and the WB pirates having a friendly rivalry with the Strawhats. As much as I love them, I don't see Boa Hancock or Jimbei joining either. Both of them are going to be needed to protect their home islands in the new chaotic age that is about to begin.

[johnnyb7]

luffy isnt ready to gain control over nothing. the only places he has respect is the places he has helped(the strawhats hometowns, alabasta, and skypeia, and the city he saved zoro in.) luffy is no where near ready to put his name on anything, he isnt even a top 20 fighter in one piece. he has a long way to go before his name is feared

I disagree, I think after this war his name will be feared. Obviously not everywhere but I think with the rest of his adventures he's going to save new places, gain the respect of them and continue on like that. That's all I'm saying there. I want to see fishman island, that'll be sweet haha.
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You guys are saying no one will die except Whitebeard, but as far as I see it (sorry i really do like all the characters that have been introduced) Oars is as good as dead already, Jozu's right arm just broke off and Marco was just shot through his body by Kizaru's lasers. I know Oda doesn't kill off characters, but i have to say if everyone survives I'm going to be disappointed in Oda. Again, I don't want them to die, I just really think they can't survive at this point. I think it's too late to say there won't be deaths.

[chess4]

I disagree, I think after this war his name will be feared. Obviously not everywhere but I think with the rest of his adventures he's going to save new places, gain the respect of them and continue on like that. That's all I'm saying there. I want to see fishman island, that'll be sweet haha.

something major has got to happen on fishman island. the strawhats have been going there since they left water 7 and that has been ages ago. i think luffy will go into a coma after this arc. the otheer strawhats have to do something on their own without luffy. luffy's bounty will be crazy after this fight, so the other have to get higher bounties as well especially chopper. also brook has to be recognized as a member, and i hope sanji gets a new pic

[Black Lagoon]

I disagree, I think after this war his name will be feared. Obviously not everywhere but I think with the rest of his adventures he's going to save new places, gain the respect of them and continue on like that. That's all I'm saying there. I want to see fishman island, that'll be sweet haha.

By not everywhere, I guess you mean, places without the den den Muchi Technology or without newspapers, right? ^_^ Just Impel Down events, are going to make his name very feared, the war isn't over and the broadcast may be reestablished (The Magma attacks may have melted the ice).

[Lee-tyme7]

ace cant die! dont you jinx it!
but yeah on a serious note, ace cant die imo, it would totally defeat the purpose of the war and all this hardship everyones going through. a little too dark imo =P better whitebeard die than Ace. if he died then what would be the point of saving him 2 times from being beheaded? epic trolling?

You know, I think that's what WB wanted. He knew his time is coming to an end and he doesn't wanna waste it dying in his death bed so what's the best way for a warrior to die?...in battle. Also I think he wanted to get back at Roger because after Roger's death everyone remembered it, he caused what we now know as "the great pirate age", and that era is also coming to an end because of the "New Age". Not only he wanted to rescue Ace but he knew Ace is the future and he is going to pass the torch along to him. Remember Doflamingo stated that whoever when this war will rule the New Age. If the Marine loses then they will probably be cripple and the WB Pirates will be remembered for what they've done. Pirates will roam freely through out the ocean, and not to mention the Rebel forces. If the WB pirates loses then the Marines will take advantage of the New age with one less Yonkou. But nevertheless either way because of this war WB will still be remember for generation. Like Achillies and the Trojan War. If WB does die in this war then he'll get the last laugh on Roger because he will be going out with a Bang, and that's a Huge bang, add the mushroom cloud. lol!




something major has got to happen on fishman island. the strawhats have been going there since they left water 7 and that has been ages ago. i think luffy will go into a coma after this arc. the otheer strawhats have to do something on their own without luffy. luffy's bounty will be crazy after this fight, so the other have to get higher bounties as well especially chopper. also brook has to be recognized as a member, and i hope sanji gets a new pic

If WB dies then something will bound to happen at Fishmen Island. Maybe all those poachers will comeback to hunt mermaids and if that happen then Jembei will not join SH crew and stay to protect Fishmen island. I would like to see that, only because the Strawhats wanted to go there ever since the beginning and they would have another action adventure down there with someone evil to fight, yet again.
And yeah you're right Sanji will have a new picture but it's gonna be him in an Okama way. lol!!

[Raist]

I do agree with what you are saying to some degree however I think you are underestimating him as well...
Replied to your post here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1744112#post1744112)

And just wanted to ask, do you people think that Sengoku thinks Luffy is enough of a threat now to alter his battle plan and try to take him out first?

[Black Lagoon]

After what he saw in the last chapter I guess yes, Haki shouldn't be treated like a kick, punch or whatever.
without mentioning the "+" that gives him the fact of executing his brother. (he's a beast) xD

[elitefox]

Oars hell, I'm worried they'll make a Pacifista out of WHITEBEARD!
Anyways, I don't see Ace joining the Strawhats. Instead I see him and the WB pirates having a friendly rivalry with the Strawhats. As much as I love them, I don't see Boa Hancock or Jimbei joining either. Both of them are going to be needed to protect their home islands in the new chaotic age that is about to begin.

if they want to get the gura gura power,

they must capture him alive not dead

[Andonan]

Ok so just going to mention a couple of things I've been thinking about.

So New World cool place when it was first talked about but after this war I feel Luffy is past New World levels. Now don't misinterpret what I mean by this, I simply mean that the average pirate is no match to Luffy in NW. Luffy is now a big player, who can you compare him to in the war..... the shichibuki, wb, marco, jos, oars, the admirals based on what we;re seen. Luffy is comfortably sitting as the 2nd most influential person in this war (for the pirates) after WB himself. So what i mean by all this?? Well basically NW is just going to be the home of one big confrontation after another. The likes of admirals, DoFlo, BB, Yonkou, there won't be any more new created characters in my mind, Luffy is just going to go from one big shot to another in NW is my prediction, after what he has accomplished in this war it's only the only logical cause (imo) at least.

Ok next issue, is this talk of a time skip, Oda has no need for one, why would he bother is has a possible 8 other story arcs to do, luffy can pass out for 3 months (real time i mean) comfortably at this rate, and that probably would still only get through chopper and brook, another gut feeling is that Luffy will disappear from OP for a good 6 months, and to be honest i will hate it but ill understand. Luffy at the moment stands on the pinacle of the OP world, unfortunately oda has comfortably sorted his bounty from exploding due to all the cameras dying well before luffy did anything really incredible, IE his combat of three admirals at once, his great haki explosion and his saving of Ace (i know it hasn't happened but it will :P) but everyone knows who managed to break in and out of ID and take a hefty chunk of the infamous pirates in tehre with him, i mean Buggy will get a massive bounty after this too but everyone will know he did jack shit!!

So what will luffy have acheived after this arc, think of this as a summary i know there are always circumstances but you have to think of it as a member of the public of the OP world without the details:, ok first surviving an admiral, Vege's body guard and a shichibuki (SA), then survive on the homeworld of the island dedicated to hating and killing all men and convincing one of the most powerful women to become his ally, break in and out of ID taking a handful of some of the most powerful pirates with him, arriving at Mj in the most dramatic way and continuing on to compete with WB, BEAT WB in terms of endurance and free Ace, something the world's strongest man couldn't even accomplish.......that puts luffy on par with his father as far as i would be concerned if i was a random in the OP world. Which puts luffy about 10 times more infamous as the rest of his crew combined. What do they need then, basically some form of catchup, major victories for sanji and zoro over powerful characters, major intelligence making robin even more dangerous, some incredible steal for nami, and key victories for the others, and that would probably barely half the gap between what they had done and luffy. Oda will do this, i have faith by the time NW comes the SH's will be considered every bit as scary as every other crew including his father, and the other yonkou :D and i predict they'll actually reach NW sometime in 2011
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why is it that everyone is so positive that ace will live as if it was a given? everyone seems to think that luffy's going to save ace, well i for one disagree.

PREDICTION

1) Luffy will rage, and kick some serious ass
2) It won't be enough and he will eventually be overpowered and get his own ass kicked
3) Ace will die smiling after seeing his little brothers power
4) Whitebeard will die soon after, but will save luffy beforehand, putting his faith in the grand age of pirates into him
5) Luffy will be crushed with the loss of his brother, but will becoming even stronger to protect his crew

This is what i had guessed would happen at the beginning of this arc, I still hold by that I think this or something close to it will happen.

Anyone disagree? Agree?

to be honest my biggest problem with this prediction is this:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/568/14/
It would devastate luffy in such a way i doubt he could recover, i just can't imagine that happening

[jromz03]

Just a thought... Would be extremely reckless of luffy that after all of this is done... that he would ask Kuma to be his nakama. maybe to help him regain his humanity and for saving everyone back at shabondy.

i dunno, its been a while since luffy's latest nakama. i'm just thinking who would be (and the 'story' behind) the newest mugiwara... If ever.

[shluffy]

Just a thought... Would be extremely reckless of luffy that after all of this is done... that he would ask Kuma to be his nakama. maybe to help him regain his humanity and for saving everyone back at shabondy.

i dunno, its been a while since luffy's latest nakama. i'm just thinking who would be (and the 'story' behind) the newest mugiwara... If ever.

Kuma is a pacifista, so your talking about something that is impossible.

[dragonballz66]

Boa Hancock has more chance of becoming Luffy's nakama than Kuma.

[craziii]

2 invonkov gives a WB a vigor shot


OMFG, simply genius! this will give WB the edge! he will fight like he was young! pwning it up!

this is a must! awesome line of thinking.

[Dim]

yeh i dont think that will happen!
its like ivankov giving him growth hormones, vigour the list goes on! anti climatic if u ask me! he could go and do it to everyon on the whitebeards side!

Ivankov wouldnt have even escaped if he didint know luffy were dragons son! he is not getting involved in the battle like everyone else! his goal is to try and keep luffy alive!

[chitgoks]

pell not dying was absurd. if WB is going to die in this war and we will see him in some cover arcs ... then i'll conclude roger is not dead either :D he's just been in hiding :P

[msg]

Oda is literally a god (in the OP world that is).He's more benevolent than malevolent to his character.:amuse.

ooooh Junior already lol

[Youbba]

Ok this is how i see it, the pirates manage somehow to liberate Ace (by the help of rayleigh or someone else) but then Sengoku and the marines are furious, the only way for the pirates to escape, is that WB stay behind to destroy all marineford in a last epic action, BUT when all the pirates are far away, LUFFY said STOP this is not how he want to end this, so he decide to stay and Ivankov accept this, LUFFY then go to WB side for the final Battle, WB refuse, BUT Luffy say he is not his capitain, and that he has the freedom to chose the way he live and the way he die. The final epic Battle WB + Luffy VS Sengoku + Akainu + Aokiji

[elitefox]

Ok this is how i see it, the pirates manage somehow to liberate Ace (by the help of rayleigh or someone else) but then Sengoku and the marines are furious, the only way for the pirates to escape, is that WB stay behind to destroy all marineford in a last epic action, BUT when all the pirates are far away, LUFFY said STOP this is not how he want to end this, so he decide to stay and Ivankov accept this, LUFFY then go to WB side for the final Battle, WB refuse, BUT Luffy say he is not his capitain, and that he has the freedom to chose the way he live and the way he die. The final epic Battle WB + Luffy VS Sengoku + Akainu + Aokiji

lol one hit luffy dies... and what can he do to even one of the 3.

probably luffy will faint after he save ace then ace will carry him to escape or garp

[frontaLobotomy]

This is maybe a far shot, but I feel it's worth throwing out there given we still have a while before the manga resumes. What do you think the chances are of Kuma being used to absorb Luffy's damage again? I know he's now PX-0 and only responds to high ranking Marines. But I'm thinking maybe Garp can order him about..
It's worth a thought, anyways.

[Razh]

I think the chances are slim. The battle is nearing it's end and Luffy receiving yet another power up would be too much.

Maybe after the battle though. Kuma could get damaged and reclaim his senses, then repel Luffy's bad effects so he doesn't fall into a coma or die.

[Straw.Hat Luffy]

Boa Hancock has more chance of becoming Luffy's nakama than Kuma.
True, but I don't see her on Sunny Go cause she has a country to rule. If Jinbei lives, he might join the Straw Hat's.

[Gats]

True, but I don't see her on Sunny Go cause she has a country to rule. If Jinbei lives, he might join the Straw Hat's.

1/ She doesn't really care (maybe later).

2/ If her dragon tatoo is exposed she won't return so easily to her country. She lied to the amazons to rule, and she is an amazon (even more the ruler) who has been a slave of men, this would be quite shameful.

[BlkHorus]

True, but I don't see her on Sunny Go cause she has a country to rule. If Jinbei lives, he might join the Straw Hat's.

Doubt Jimbei is going to join. He has foreshadowed already that he has a bone to pick with Luffy later about what happened to Arlong. So I'm thinking we will get some more interesting interactions from him and luffy later after the war when Ace is saved and luffy is on Mermaind island. We will probably see then Luffy having to fight against Jimbei. I'm pretty sure about that and looking forward to that arc

[Raist]

Doubt Jimbei is going to join. He has foreshadowed already that he has a bone to pick with Luffy later about what happened to Arlong. So I'm thinking we will get some more interesting interactions from him and luffy later after the war when Ace is saved and luffy is on Mermaind island. We will probably see then Luffy having to fight against Jimbei. I'm pretty sure about that and looking forward to that arc
Actually IIRC that was a mistranslation on the earliest scanlations and it wasn't removed in time from onemanga, here is cnets translation of that panel
(http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-549/page007.html)
So I don't think there will be any Luffy/Jimbei fight atleast not in the near future maybe later when the SH go up against the WB pirates(if they are still active)

[1nfamous]

Doubt Jimbei is going to join. He has foreshadowed already that he has a bone to pick with Luffy later about what happened to Arlong. So I'm thinking we will get some more interesting interactions from him and luffy later after the war when Ace is saved and luffy is on Mermaind island. We will probably see then Luffy having to fight against Jimbei. I'm pretty sure about that and looking forward to that arc

Jimbei never had a problem with luffy, he only wanted to talk to luffy bout the incident that happened with arlong. It was talked about before that the spoilers were stated wrong

[Razh]

He wants to thank him properly for dealing with Arlong. There are no bones to pick to pick there really. I think there was a bad translation that Jinbei wanted to pay Luffy back for beating Arlong after all this is over.

I don't think Jinbei's going to die either. It often happens that persons who are prepared to die end up staying alive.

Too slow.

[Black Lagoon]

Doubt Jimbei is going to join. He has foreshadowed already that he has a bone to pick with Luffy later about what happened to Arlong. So I'm thinking we will get some more interesting interactions from him and luffy later after the war when Ace is saved and luffy is on Mermaind island. We will probably see then Luffy having to fight against Jimbei. I'm pretty sure about that and looking forward to that arc

He never had a problem with Luffy, and even if he feels something ... I guess he'll understand it.
about him joining the SH, I'd love to see him playing with Chopper, but with WB's death (if he dies) I think Jimbei will take care of fishman island.

[c0nflikt]

I just want croc in the SHs th way the crew all gets along now it'd be awesome to add a male tsunder

[Black Lagoon]

I just want croc in the SHs th way the crew all gets along now it'd be awesome to add a male tsunder

Nobody likes him (In the SH) ... and vivi would get upset :grin

[beastboy]

Well Vivi wasn't even surprised when Nico joined.. so why would he be upset that Croc joined...

He would be a little pissed of.. but it wouldn't be a reason for her to hate Luffy!

[Raist]

Well Vivi wasn't even surprised when Nico joined.. so why would he be upset that Croc joined...

He would be a little pissed of.. but it wouldn't be a reason for her to hate Luffy!

Actually Vivi had some pretty credible sources(her father, Igaram, Pel) which could testify that she wasn't that bad a person(letting Vivi follow her so she could find out who Crocodile was, not killing Igaram, ofering the SH Eternal Pos for Alabasta, not killing Pel, saving Luffys life, geting Luffy to Pel so he can get to the crown city in time, not telling Crocodile about the ancient weapon, fighting Crocodile, giving Luffy the antidote) but no such sources for Crocodile

[johnnyb7]

Sengoku has to have some kind of devil fruit power, at least I would think he would since he was an admiral. I can't think what it might be though, I'm hoping we'll get a chance to see it (if I'm right) within the next few chapters. I think a power like a healing power would fit him. Having the ability to heal really fast or heal others really fast.

[Black Lagoon]

Well Vivi wasn't even surprised when Nico joined.. so why would he be upset that Croc joined...

He would be a little pissed of.. but it wouldn't be a reason for her to hate Luffy!

I've replied in the Mega Convo ^_^

[chess4]

Sengoku has to have some kind of devil fruit power, at least I would think he would since he was an admiral. I can't think what it might be though, I'm hoping we'll get a chance to see it (if I'm right) within the next few chapters. I think a power like a healing power would fit him. Having the ability to heal really fast or heal others really fast.

well.....someone posted a spoiler on another site. it seemed cool enough but im sure it was fake. i will not say because i dont want to get penalized here.

im sure next chapter we will get everyones reaction to luffy's little outburst. i still cant see the pirates winning.

since this battle began i thought garp would change sides, and still think that. i think he is the only person right now on the battlefield that can do it. luffy has just made himself an even bigger target, but invonkov will by his side

[GomuGomuNoBigBoner]

I just want croc in the SHs th way the crew all gets along now it'd be awesome to add a male tsunder

True dat, albeit I don't really see Croc joining the Straw hats.
He's on the one hand incumbent upon Mr.1, surely not intending to lose his henchman.
Secondly he has multiply stated he doesn't team up with anyone, unfortunately leaving him out of choice.
Besides, since Ivankov has stated the awareness of his weakness, I could imagine Crocodile to somehow turn his back on luffy, hence exploiting yonder secret.

As for oars jr.; I don't think he will have any kind of comeback in this war.
Still looking out for the former cp9 to take revenge on WG!

[Razh]

Still looking out for the former cp9 to take revenge on WG!

I think that will happen later in the story. There's a possibility that they could have their own pirate crew and start with revenge. Considering their knowledge of WG they would be a huge help for Revolutionaries. Oda doesn't forget about his characters, that's for sure.

Heh, it's funny. It never occurred to me that Dragon could have been a member of CP9 too.

[beastboy]

Hehehehe CP9 appearing would be something good..
But they seriously need a power up...
Like Fukuro being as strong as Lucci.. and Lucci having four times is doruriki it would matter..
but it would be a nice addiction putting fukuro taking a fist of love... and saying "to high to mesure.." or "its over 9 thousand"!!

[chess4]

yep cp9, enel, and axe hand morgan will all be part of future arcs. cp9 because what we be the reason of giving them multiple cover stories if he wasnt. enel is one of the few logia users in this manga, so oda cant just leave him out. also im sure that he will be somehoe relevant to the void century. axe morgan because defeating him is helmeppo's goal.

all of oda's character(like someone said above)usually are shown again. all the enemies luffy fought along the way have made returns(buggy, hachi,boroque works) so im sure we will see the skypiens again as well as magellan
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Hehehehe CP9 appearing would be something good..
But they seriously need a power up...
Like Fukuro being as strong as Lucci.. and Lucci having four times is doruriki it would matter..
but it would be a nice addiction putting fukuro taking a fist of love... and saying "to high to mesure.." or "its over 9 thousand"!!

WHAT?.........9 THOUSAND. gotta love a dbz quote, lol

[elitefox]

yep cp9, enel, and axe hand morgan will all be part of future arcs. cp9 because what we be the reason of giving them multiple cover stories if he wasnt. enel is one of the few logia users in this manga, so oda cant just leave him out. also im sure that he will be somehoe relevant to the void century. axe morgan because defeating him is helmeppo's goal.

all of oda's character(like someone said above)usually are shown again. all the enemies luffy fought along the way have made returns(buggy, hachi,boroque works) so im sure we will see the skypiens again as well as magellan
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WHAT?.........9 THOUSAND. gotta love a dbz quote, lol

lol if rayleigh is 100 times as powerful as any other rookie and luffy beat down lucci then Garp is probably be 120+ times as that. I think he is almost as powerful as sengoku:darn

[Bigall]

lol if rayleigh is 100 times as powerful as any other rookie and luffy beat down lucci then Garp is probably be 120+ times as that. I think he is almost as powerful as sengoku:darn

Shouldn't you say probably Sengoku is as strong as Garp. Until now we have seem Garp in action and he is huge strong... But Sengoku did nothing but talk, didn't even throw a punch...

[Saint Markus]

Sengoku will show his true power, he maybe on the same level as Garp, but i doubt he's stronger. I think, Garp doesn't want to fight anymore than WB does, there both old, lived their lives to the fullest as pirates and are ready to leave it to the next generation. That's why i think it's so important for Ace to live.

[Admiral Kizaru]

In my opinion Sengoku and Garp are equal

[Arkadi]

Ace will live... there is NO WAY he will die... so please.. don't say he will die.
they even showed him that he got his will to live back, because so manny people died so he could live. my predictions are: People commenting on his haki and whitebeard charging forwards opening a road for luffy and keeping them bussy so luffy can safe ace.

btw, did annyone notice pirates also fainting? meaning he has still NO control?

[zagorka]

Pretty much. How can he have control over something he has no idea of using. Well, he may have heard what Haki is, but he doesn't know he's using it. It's unknown to what extent he has understood the term Haki. But he's not stupid to not understand that the Sandersonia and her sister were using it to hurt him.

I'm having withdrawals. Need moar OP! =\

[Darkever]

I'm having withdrawals. Need moar OP! =\
Eehehe, if we're lucky you'll have to wait only a couple of days more... :amuse

I think Garp was probably a bit stronger than Sengoku when they were middle-age, as he was the shining star of the marines, but now he's old (Sengoku is younger than Garp), so I really can't say. Btw Oda did really a good job about keeping their fighting abilities hidden: we know absolutely nothing of Sengoku's, and only tiny bits of Garp!

On another topic, don't expect every damn One Piece character to come back for a second appearance. While we could see cameo of them, most of them won't come back for more action. I doubt Eneru will come back (even if I'd love to watch Eneru vs Kizaru), as won't CP9, Morgan, and most other characters you may think of. Coverstories are a simple but effective way to show us what happened to them, but that doesn't mean they will be back for sure (do you really want to see Gedatsu again that bad? :amuse)

[NoLimit89]

About Oda "not" using cheap ploys to build up drama, such as not killing off characters, he certainly did do something which is imo, a cheap ploy in the recent chapters.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/566/18-19/

Seriously? Build up Sengoku and Garp, like as if they're going to fight, and then NOT using them for several chapters? SMH.

I would rather he not do that than not killing off characters. E.g. A certain character with a name starting with P should have really died from that bomb. It would have been a noble sacrifice.

[glusa]

Even if Luffy manages to free Ace the balance of forces is uneven! I think that Oda was carefully maintaining it because of the story...but now that you can't prolong it...it's obvious that marines overpower pirates. WB is going down and that's 99% sure...Marco and Joz are savable but other people will be just dead meat in due time. So we expect somebody strong to arrive and that...only Oda knows :D

My prediction that in a next few chapters we will see Luffy freeing Ace with small scale family reunion (Garp choosing Luffy and Ace over marines) and BB coming to execution platform with his new buddies from ID saying ''WB rule is over, anybody who wants to survive come and join me...I'll lead you to new age buahhaaa'' (of course Sengoku is under his feet:)

[winterwyrm]

Even if Luffy manages to free Ace the balance of forces is uneven! I think that Oda was carefully maintaining it because of the story...but now that you can't prolong it...it's obvious that marines overpower pirates. WB is going down and that's 99% sure...Marco and Joz are savable but other people will be just dead meat in due time. So we expect somebody strong to arrive and that...only Oda knows :D

My prediction that in a next few chapters we will see Luffy freeing Ace with small scale family reunion (Garp choosing Luffy and Ace over marines) and BB coming to execution platform with his new buddies from ID saying ''WB rule is over, anybody who wants to survive come and join me...I'll lead you to new age buahhaaa'' (of course Sengoku is under his feet:)

It's not completely hopeless for whitebeard, you know. It's possible someone with a sword could slice marco's arm off and the shackle with it, he might even be able to reform the arm, though I'm not sure.
Jozu however probably wont be coming back unless he has a logia. Those guys would turn the tables and protect the other commanders insuring at least someone survives.

[johnnyb7]

Ace will live... there is NO WAY he will die... so please.. don't say he will die.
they even showed him that he got his will to live back, because so manny people died so he could live. my predictions are: People commenting on his haki and whitebeard charging forwards opening a road for luffy and keeping them bussy so luffy can safe ace.

btw, did annyone notice pirates also fainting? meaning he has still NO control?

I don't think the characters can control their haki. Meaning I don't think you can target a single person. I think it just has an on off switch. Rayleigh hit the pirates along with marines at the auction, he hit the strawhat crew with it because they felt it and responded to it.

[frontaLobotomy]

In my opinion Sengoku and Garp are equal

That's a fair assumption to make. Having thought about how the rank system in the Armed Forces works, it's made more and more sense why Sengoku hasn't made a move in to the battlefield yet. As the highest ranking Marine, he doesn't have to do anything, as his subordinates job is to fight all out until that happens. The only time we may see Sengoku go directly in to battle would be if the Gorousei are threatened, as they are his superiors. I think time is running out for him to act, and that he will need to step up if he wants to shut this war down quickly. Will he react to Luffy's Haki? He didn't seem impressed by it happening. I think if this happened, all of those who want Garp to intervene might get their wish..

[Blooper]

That's a fair assumption to make. Having thought about how the rank system in the Armed Forces works, it's made more and more sense why Sengoku hasn't made a move in to the battlefield yet. As the highest ranking Marine, he doesn't have to do anything, as his subordinates job is to fight all out until that happens. The only time we may see Sengoku go directly in to battle would be if the Gorousei are threatened, as they are his superiors. I think time is running out for him to act, and that he will need to step up if he wants to shut this war down quickly. Will he react to Luffy's Haki? He didn't seem impressed by it happening. I think if this happened, all of those who want Garp to intervene might get their wish..

Didn't seem impressed with Luffy's Haki? Lol explain his face here on the last page then o.o
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/569/14-15/

[deffkryz]

I think we can expect Garp to laugh tears again, don't we?


Garp: "Bwahahaha! That's my grandson."
Crowd: "WTF?!"

[White Silver King]

I don't understand how Garp is so famous for being super powerful. I mean he's got super strength to the millionth degree but so does everyone else in this series, Zoro has thrown entire building at people. Super strength isn't really that useful against a lot of the upper-tier Devil Fruit users like the Logia's and WB. I have no idea how he fought (I think equally IIRC) and cornered Roger so many times, then again we know almost nothing of Rogers fighting prowess.


I don't think the characters can control their haki. Meaning I don't think you can target a single person. I think it just has an on off switch. Rayleigh hit the pirates along with marines at the auction, he hit the strawhat crew with it because they felt it and responded to it.
No it's been shown at least Rayleigh can knock out just one person in a crowd already, I'kk try to find the chapter.

[Bugzee]

:wtf I really hope Marco escapes from those seastone cuffs!!! :scry Someone really needs to lay the smackdown on Kizaru :XD.......and KO him for good :shakefist.

I wonder how many pirates & marines have fainted in total??? :blink.... :XD It would be awesome to see a double page spread of a scene where Oda shows just how many have fainted because of Luffy's Haki :rofl :XD


***not long to go people...:shakefist...damn it..:yelling I need OP CH. 570 Now!!!!!!!!! :nuts***

[isrnick]

I don't understand how Garp is so famous for being super powerful. I mean he's got super strength to the millionth degree but so does everyone else in this series, Zoro has thrown entire building at people. Super strength isn't really that useful against a lot of the upper-tier Devil Fruit users like the Logia's and WB. I have no idea how he fought (I think equally IIRC) and cornered Roger so many times, then again we know almost nothing of Rogers fighting prowess.

As we know almost nothing about Garp's powers... Garp probably has an akumanomi ability.

Besides he doesn't just have great strength, he is capable of throw a giant iron ball far away without much effort, and he is capable of hurting Luffy with a punch even though he is a rubber man, so he is monstrously strong.

He certainly has such a fame for a good reason, don't underestimate him.


I wish so much that we can get a super-early spoiler today...

[shluffy]

As we know almost nothing about Garp's powers... Garp probably has an akumanomi ability.

Besides he doesn't just have great strength, he is capable of throw a giant iron ball far away without much effort, and he is capable of hurting Luffy with a punch even though he is a rubber man, so he is monstrously strong.

He certainly has such a fame for a good reason, don't underestimate him.


I wish so much that we can get a super-early spoiler today...

he can only hurt luffy since hes punchin with haki

[jerrycute]

i thought sengoku will faint :facepalm

i really hope marco can escape the seastone cuffs
it would be disgusting to see him dying without showing his true power

[Winlyx-chan]

I really don't care what happens to Marco as I really see no reason for Oda to kill him off. All I really want is the next chapter to come out. I really want to see everyone's true reaction to Luffy's haki. Seeing the initial shock from everyone was one thing but I'm interested in what this chapter will show for people's reactions towards him. One things for certain they won't underestimate him anymore.

I just hope that this rescue arc is almost over. Not that this arc isn't good or anything but I'm kinda getting sick of the rest of the crew being MIA. In all honesty I just want to see the end in sight. However much to my dread I can't see this arc ending anytime soon.

[chitgoks]

jozu and marco havent shown us their true abilities so it would suck if oda will kill them off... which won't happen. we haven't even seen WB's true powers.

[Fox666]

Nah, they have show their power. They fought with the admirals, that's enough. They have show off even more than, let's see... Mihawk for example.

Whitebeard did lot's of earthquakes. Showed how an experienced user can use a Devil Fruit in different ways. And did a final blow in a bunch of vice-admirals.

[chitgoks]

Nah, they have show their power. They fought with the admirals, that's enough. They have show off even more than, let's see... Mihawk for example.

Whitebeard did lot's of earthquakes. Showed how an experienced user can use a Devil Fruit in different ways. And did a final blow in a bunch of vice-admirals.

er marco regenerating and jozu turning to diamond. that's it? man ... they're pathetic then if that's all they can show.

[elitefox]

er marco regenerating and jozu turning to diamond. that's it? man ... they're pathetic then if that's all they can show.

Agreed. They're the highest rank commander of WB and all they do is kick and bull rush... just regular tackle and hit and run is meh...

[glusa]

I think the reason why we didn't (and won't) see there (or anybodys) true potential in this war is safety. Just imagine if admirals or WB went all out...they could easily destroy the island. Just remember the fight between three men in chapter 0...marine ford was wracked...also I'd like to see the island on which BB and Ace fight took place (if it exists:) Partially I agree as a fan that we could use more details on everybody like can Marco regenerate or can Joz manipulate carbon inside him to heal his bones and tissue. But we must be realistic...we can't see every special move because this battle is so big and Oda shows us only things that he thinks are important.

[chess4]

luffy will lose 10 years of his life, and oda saying that strong world will be luffy's last adventure leads me to believe, that after luffy comes out of the coma, he will be a 17 year old boy in a 27 year old man's body.

i never thought a 17 year old could become PK. if luffy's body is matured to 27, then his haki would become stronger as well. i dont know how that will throw off the the dynamic of the crew though. luffy and usopp acting silly together is one of the best parts of the crew. i just hate luffy is going to lose 10 years of his life. so many questions to be answered.

[chitgoks]

at least one other move might do ;)

[Darkever]

I would rather he not do that than not killing off characters. E.g. A certain character with a name starting with P should have really died from that bomb. It would have been a noble sacrifice.
I agree on that... Pell should had definitely died after that. Sometimes Oda tries too hard to keep characters alive. To tell the truth I hope Bon Kurei is really dead this time after angering Magellan like that. Unless some kind of miracle happens, but I doubt.

Pumping Garp and Sengoku some chapters ago and then not using them is not a big deal. They are both going to stay close to Ace, as the very last line of defense. Since they don't seem to have long-range abilities, they'll see action only if someone gets close enough, like Marco did. Sengoku was just getting mentally prepared after seeing WB so determined.

[Gats]

luffy will lose 10 years of his life, and oda saying that strong world will be luffy's last adventure leads me to believe, that after luffy comes out of the coma, he will be a 17 year old boy in a 27 year old man's body.

i never thought a 17 year old could become PK. if luffy's body is matured to 27, then his haki would become stronger as well. i dont know how that will throw off the the dynamic of the crew though. luffy and usopp acting silly together is one of the best parts of the crew. i just hate luffy is going to lose 10 years of his life. so many questions to be answered.

If it works that way, Luffy would already be in a 27 years body. Cutting your lifespan doesn't mean you get older, it just mean you'll die younger.
The only mystery is about the sides effects of vigor hormon.

[chess4]

Exuse me?! WTF?!

are you confused?
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If it works that way, Luffy would already be in a 27 years body. Cutting your lifespan doesn't mean you get older, it just mean you'll die younger.
The only mystery is about the sides effects of vigor hormon.

i said that because oda stated that strong world would be the last time we see luffy as a 17 year old. thing is i just dont see how such a young crew can stand at the top of the pirate world. just take the people at marineford, if the strawhats were here, it would be like throwing lambs to crocodiles. luffy is having a hard enough time, just imagine what it would be like this for the others.


luffy wants to be pirate king, so the strawhats will have to be better than the 4 yonkou crews eventually. the 2 yonkou crews we have seen have some seasoned vets on their crew, and im sure the same goes for the other 2 as well.
it took all the strawhats to take down 1 pacifista, and hancock took it out with 1 blow.

if they dont age a bit, i hope they get some serious upgrades before they reunite.

[YamFrie]

are you confused?
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i said that because oda stated that strong world would be the last time we see luffy as a 17 year old. thing is i just dont see how such a young crew can stand at the top of the pirate world. just take the people at marineford, if the strawhats were here, it would be like throwing lambs to crocodiles. luffy is having a hard enough time, just imagine what it would be like this for the others.


luffy wants to be pirate king, so the strawhats will have to be better than the 4 yonkou crews eventually. the 2 yonkou crews we have seen have some seasoned vets on their crew, and im sure the same goes for the other 2 as well.
it took all the strawhats to take down 1 pacifista, and hancock took it out with 1 blow.

if they dont age a bit, i hope they get some serious upgrades before they reunite.

No way Oda will put such a timeskip into his manga... It will ruin everything. Robin is 27 right now and she's pretty beatiful... So what you expect to see after that timeskip, huh? A 37-yr old woman?

[chess4]

No way Oda will put such a timeskip into his manga... It will ruin everything. Robin is 27 right now and she's pretty beatiful... So what you expect to see after that timeskip, huh? A 37-yr old woman?

no im not saying everyone will get 10 years older, just luffy. remeber in impel downs when invonkov gave him the healing hormones? invonkov said it would take 10 years from his life, and also oda saying we wouldnt see him as a 17 year old anymore, after strong world.

it seems they come out with a new one piece movie every year, so by the next movie, we will not see a 17 year old luffy anymore. it would be wrong to have a young luffy in the manga/anime, then he be older in the movies.

the way i figure, after this war we will get a strawhats reunion arc, then on to fishman island. luffy will still be in a coma, and when he wakes up, he will have the body of a 27 year old. after an event happens on fishman island and a new crewmate joins then the strawhats will be off to the new world.

i figure movie 11 setting will be in the new world, and 2011 will be the start of the new world arcs

[Twar]

Erm... I really doubt that that's what Iva meant with the whole "10 years off your life" thing. Certainly he meant Luffy's natural lifespan, meaning he would bite the bucket earlier than he would have? At least that's what I understood with the first reading.

Of course those hormones are pretty stressful on the body and I guess all that intense chemistry going on inside Luffy's body due to gear spam (hastened blood flow) and the doping should cause some crazy oxidative stress, which is thought to be the one of the main causes of aging.

Could be anything right now.