Ikki Thread

[Anonymous1337]

Anyone think Ikki's gonna be a Brain charger?

I think so but they could pull a fast one on us

[suarhnir]

oyos

i really hope not. i would rather ikki be the normal underdog character who just happens to have a lot of talent for this. simply because it goes with the underlying theme of 'anyone can fly' not just the 'special' people.

[Waking_Dreamer]

I certainly dont think hes a braincharger, but he somehow Braincharger related.

It would be nice if he was someone like Yoshi, though his uber achievments would be really hard to accept if he was just a vanilla rider. Though id like it if there was some sense of underdog-like aspect to his origins as well.

Sort of like a failed prototype/experiment but compensated by Ikki himself...or somethin...

[Kazu-Sama]

No. Ikki =/= Brain Charger, it's too obvious. Unless they want to go all Naruto - Akatski cloaks on us, they won't. And NOBODY I've spoken to likes the Akatski cloaks idea...

[killerb33]

I think think ikki is going to be related to Grav Childs and Brain Chargers somehow but he is going to be one that is just wrong.

[conn-man]

i dont think that ikki is going to be a brain charger or a gravity child, but i have to think that he will be something unique given his ties to uncle minami.

on the other hand being a natural human has potential, yoshitsune and benkei have showed us they can be just as good if not better than the 'special people'.

[Ramstain]

I doubt Ikki will be a brain charger.
The brain charger is already in Koga (Agito/Akito/Lind), and another would be silly.
I think Uncle Minami may have experimented on himself and it was passed on to Ikki.
But it would fit better with the story if Ikki was a natural human, and just incredibly talented.

[NAM61]

i think he will be a gravity child

[Carnevil]

I think he'll be both. Brain Chargers are software, gravity children are the hardware. I think Ikki will have both the software and hardware.

[conn-man]

I think he'll be both. Brain Chargers are software, gravity children are the hardware. I think Ikki will have both the software and hardware.

i like the way you put it with ikki having both hardware and software but i dont think that you can just put gravity child and brain charger aspects together so easily, almost like it would be to much for one body. thats what makes me think that hes gonna be something new entirly, brain charger wasnt even introduced that long ago so the plot is definitly open for something like that.

[Carnevil]

i like the way you put it with ikki having both hardware and software but i dont think that you can just put gravity child and brain charger aspects together so easily, almost like it would be to much for one body. thats what makes me think that hes gonna be something new entirly, brain charger wasnt even introduced that long ago so the plot is definitly open for something like that.

But if the body was specifically designed for it then it wouldn't be a problem. If you put together the software and hardware it would make something new. A Gravity Charger or Brain Child.:D

[Javiersansano]

Perhaps his lineage is where the traits for both gravity children and brain chargers come from. of course, these traits have been developed by scientific research into these two groups, but ikki has the basic and rough form of these

[Kazu-Sama]

Or maybe he's just a quick learner due to his stubborn nature...

[BlackSword]

Brain Child LOL! For some reason thinking of Ikki and Brain Child in the same sentence made me laugh so hard. However I think the plot is Open for Ikki atm. I mean he is related to Uncle Minami so I can't really see it as a coincidence that he is as insanely talented as he is. However a simple 'brain charger' doesn't seem to fit the bill.

[suarhnir]

oyos

i really want ikki to be normal and just have the dedication to work hard (behind the scenes; as evident in chapter 87). having grown up with rika and mikan, he certainly won't be stopped so easily if he messes up and hurts himself. while its pretty certain that ikki is somehow connected to uncle minami, i really would prefer that he was nothing more than his real and normal son that he simply didn't have the time and effort to look after.

being a brain charger requires having been in a lab for some time to undergo the process... and rika got ikki when he was a baby. on top of the fact that she's most fond of him compared to mikan, ringo and ume, i don't think she would have allowed for ikki to be taken away for anything. i also don't think doing the brain charger process on an infant would be safe or ethical.

[Carnevil]

oyos

i really want ikki to be normal and just have the dedication to work hard (behind the scenes; as evident in chapter 87). having grown up with rika and mikan, he certainly won't be stopped so easily if he messes up and hurts himself. while its pretty certain that ikki is somehow connected to uncle minami, i really would prefer that he was nothing more than his real and normal son that he simply didn't have the time and effort to look after.

being a brain charger requires having been in a lab for some time to undergo the process... and rika got ikki when he was a baby. on top of the fact that she's most fond of him compared to mikan, ringo and ume, i don't think she would have allowed for ikki to be taken away for anything. i also don't think doing the brain charger process on an infant would be safe or ethical.

What about his mother? Unless OG goes with the cliche'd died during child birth flashback. What about other family members grandma,grandpa, aunts, uncles? None of those exist so he gives Ikki to an 8 year old girl?

Minami has never been shown to be very ethical, it's all about the science to him so experimenting on a child wouldn't be beyond him.

[suarhnir]

oyos

i would only go so far as minami getting it on with one of his prototype generation grav kids and didn't want her playing mommy after ikki was born... so he pawned the kid off to rika.

as for other relatives, from what i've seen in other series that show off more or less 'real' japanese culture, they are less strict when it comes to who is allowed to be guardian of a minor. family friends and neighbors seem sufficient enough if they are willing to take the kid in when the real family members don't want to. i don't know if that's actually true, but it seems to be that way...

oh and while uncle minami's ethics may be questionable, there's still the issue of safety on the infant should they be 'experimented' on... they are so 'weak' that they really can't survive through much of anything. its more likely the infant will die from the procedures/experimentation

[BlackSword]

oyos

i would only go so far as minami getting it on with one of his prototype generation grav kids and didn't want her playing mommy after ikki was born... so he pawned the kid off to rika.

as for other relatives, from what i've seen in other series that show off more or less 'real' japanese culture, they are less strict when it comes to who is allowed to be guardian of a minor. family friends and neighbors seem sufficient enough if they are willing to take the kid in when the real family members don't want to. i don't know if that's actually true, but it seems to be that way...

oh and while uncle minami's ethics may be questionable, there's still the issue of safety on the infant should they be 'experimented' on... they are so 'weak' that they really can't survive through much of anything. its more likely the infant will die from the procedures/experimentation

I really don't see that as beyond the capabilities of minami... He turned people into weapons. Thats the gravity childrens purpose... They were all experimented on as well... I'm not really sure what Ikki is but its to coincidental for him to be just a normal hard working Storm Rider... The guy has a natural affinity to wind that is only matched by the 'wind' gravity child. His affinty to wind will probably eventually surpass Sora... It just doesn't seem likely that he is normal... This is all probably designed according to minami's plans... To test Ikki vs the Gravity children. Someone said he is probably a combination of a 'braincharger & a gravity child' I think he is also a 'human tuner'. His ability to make people excel above and beyond their original limitations is astounding. Although that might just be the whole Shounen Lead Character thing. :p But it would be interesting if he was a human tuner as well. ^^

[suarhnir]

oyos

ikki has an affinity with birds, and since tuner's sounds function like bird calls, ikki can also understand what tuners are actually saying when they sing. if he had any inkling of an ability to be a tuner, then he would have not been so noob in a-t building/repair. he knows enough that something is wrong with his own a-ts from how it is performing... but he certainly can't determine the exact cause (from listening to it much less)

but i suppose that ikki being all jacked up as a grav kid and/or brain charger makes all the other 'normal' riders like yoshi, benkei, kazu, rika, etc. all that much better because they achieved their level of skill through hardwork and a bit of talent.

[BlackSword]

lol I didn't mean A-T Tuner. I said 'human' Tuner. Meaning he allows people to surpass their own power. Not that he can build A-Ts and the like...

[Ex-Shadow]

-IMHO, from the conversation Kogarasumaru and Sleipnir had when they fight I really think that maybe actually Ikki is a normal child but he is the real "original" brain charger. Remember that all brain charger is only a copy from the original.
-And about Ikki as one of the gravity children, I don't think so. Sora (and friends) is the 1st generation of gravity children. And when they flee, they are about the same age as Rika when Rika was asked to take care of Ikki. So the age differencies doesn't match up.

[suarhnir]

oyos

mikan and ringo (by a couple of months) are older than ikki...

[jiofreed]

ikki can use hawk eye and trick pass abilitys granted to gravity children and slepnir seemed to think ikki was the inspiration to their desire to fly. i think ikki is special because he could possibly be a natural gravity child or brain charger or both think about it their are who are born with perfect balance and i know that dyslexic people compensate by seeing in three dimensions maby people like ikki have showed up before and the gravity/brain projects wanted to duplicate such people which would mean ikki could possibly be more special than any one but this is my opinion

[suarhnir]

oyos

pfft... lol 'natural gravity child or brain charger' sorry that made me laugh seeing it. honestly though, every human being is a 'natural grav kid or brain charger' because that is what they were built off from. i'm going to use a gundam seed reference here... but the coordinators were nothing more than 'designer' babies (aka genetic traits hand picked by the parents to attain a certain characteristic). grav kids are nothing more than a human with certain genetic traits and 'unlocking' the human potential which also ties into the whole energy thing (being able to utilize the full energy capabilities with humans). there are normal people out there who can visualize 3-dimensionally, and normal people who have the 'hawk eye' (nothing more than seeing possible trick passes around them). this has been demonstrated in real life... take skateboarders for example, they don't need a skate park to do their tricks, they take wherever they are and make the possiblities a reality - that is what the 'hawk eye' is in essence. visualizing in 3-d is done all the time by architects, engineers and some artists. some people can do this while others can't... but these aren't feats that were created scientifically, the scientists in this story merely discovered which genetic traits allow for these abilities.

someone like ikki is just a person who happened to have an inkling of such abilities naturally and he merely poured himself wholeheartedly into utilizing them when riding a-ts.

i want ikki to be a normal kid... but this is a shounen manga and chances of that happening is 10% at best... i mean, look at what happened in bleach and naruto... <.<;; i was like "come on, really now?" with the lineage of ichigo and naruto being revealed... that was lame and down-played their abilities because its no longer about them but about how great and special their parents were and its no wonder that their kids would be great too...

[jiofreed]

oyos

i dont really get your point the gravity children were given two cerebral modifications Solid Sense Type and Biomass Gyroscope which allow the gravity children to have a great sense of balance hawk eye and trick pass .so they were given abilities that ikki might naturally possess (given he is not a gravity child but all gravity children seem to know what they are) seeing as how gravity childrens only difference to an average human are their modifications.borrowing your gundam seed example creating a designer babies usually involves duplicating traits that naturally exist in others. so ikki could have natural mutations that could make him eqaul to a gravity child plus ikki isnt the only one with a mutation that puts him above average people mitsuru bando and akira udou both have muscle Hypertropy making them have a denser muscle build and giving them more strength

[Crys]

Same goes for Kazuma, he is also a King Level Rider, he also have this what you need to be a King.....
It is Air gear, strength issen all, see this Grav Childs now, beaten by Aeon....
King Level Rider is not all, now every 2nd is a King Level Rider with his own Road....
Grav Childs obvisious overhypt!

[suarhnir]

oyos

i dont really get your point the gravity children were given two cerebral modifications Solid Sense Type and Biomass Gyroscope which allow the gravity children to have a great sense of balance hawk eye and trick pass .so they were given abilities that ikki might naturally possess (given he is not a gravity child but all gravity children seem to know what they are) seeing as how gravity childrens only difference to an average human are their modifications.borrowing your gundam seed example creating a designer babies usually involves duplicating traits that naturally exist in others. so ikki could have natural mutations that could make him eqaul to a gravity child plus ikki isnt the only one with a mutation that puts him above average people mitsuru bando and akira udou both have muscle Hypertropy making them have a denser muscle build and giving them more strength

oyos

what i meant by all of that was that grav kids aren't that freakin special... normal people can have such skills of grav kids naturally because grav kids were based off of humans anyways... just more selective traits is all. and yes, grav kids and brain chargers are overhyped... which is why i don't want ikki to be one or both... i will settle for ikki being a natural born that happened to be of the 'gene pool' that ended up composing most of the grav kids... which again brings it back to where the heck ikki came from and who are his parents

[Wolfzero]

oyos

what i meant by all of that was that grav kids aren't that freakin special... normal people can have such skills of grav kids naturally because grav kids were based off of humans anyways... just more selective traits is all. and yes, grav kids and brain chargers are overhyped... which is why i don't want ikki to be one or both... i will settle for ikki being a natural born that happened to be of the 'gene pool' that ended up composing most of the grav kids... which again brings it back to where the heck ikki came from and who are his parents

Well if you think about it, a storm has almost all of the original roads, so there is the possibility that iki was created with all the data collected from the original gravity kids experiment. That would also explain why he can read and understand other riders tricks and personalities so easily. Also tuners have the natural ability to sinc up with the human rhythm so they can adjust the AT, the mechanical stuff is something they learn not a natural gift.

[ZERO PHOENIX]

That would be a total piss poor move on behalf of Oh! Great. It's so easy to be the best when nature gives you a free pass (Naruto, Bleach, Inuyasha, countless others). And it would be a weakass message on the part of Air Gear if all the characters were THAT good because they were created to be that way.

Looking from a moral, social standpoint it would be better if Ikki wasn't a brain charger or a gravity child, but just your average joe, an everyman. Aren't you all getting this? Ikki's very existence illustrates that not only do we all have wings, but you don't have to be born to priviledge or power in order to fly. Everything Ikki does shows that you don't have to be born great to be great, and that everyone can grab the sky if they reach for it.

If he were a brain charger or gravity child it would be a contradiction of all Air Gear stands for: FREEDOM. If Ikki is great because of genetics then his hard work doesn't mean a damn thing. Even worse, no ones hard work means a damn thing because it would show that no matter how "good" someone is at what they do, they'll never be "great" at what they do.

Come and take a walk with me. Let's compare Ikki and Kazu. Enemies, friends, rivals, these guys go way back. Ikki constantly pushes Kazu to be better and vice versa. As of right now, Kazu is no match for Ikki. But there is a vested interest here because they're both normal human beings. In other words, Ikki isn't better because he is genetically so, but because he is simply that damn good. Now, if Oh! Great pulls a screw job and makes Ikki a genetic freak, then Kazu never stood a chance to begin with, hardwork means nothing, and Ikki owes everything everything to his DNA.

[Broken_Wing]

^ Would it make sense that just a regular joe completed the Devils 33 Leap and beat Yoshi's max distance in one day, after getting injured on his first try...?

Im not fond of the whole its your genetically altered genes thing, but at the same time Ikki's origin needs to be a tad bit more ellaborate than just someone random guy trying his best.

I would like that message of your heights and wings are what you make it - to be there in the end, but there is something unusual about Ikki that stiil needs to explained.

[suarhnir]

^ Would it make sense that just a regular joe completed the Devils 33 Leap and beat Yoshi's max distance in one day, after getting injured on his first try...?


oyos

you should remember that ikki's pain tolerance is really high and altogether toughened out by his 'upbringing' with rika and mikan. though later we find out that ikki wasn't really injured seriously that time either (he relaxed himself before crashing, thereby walking away with probably nothing more than a bruise - like how drunks are likely to escape a car crash with nothing but scratches and bruises).

i know first hand (shoved over in a school team basketball match and landed really hard on my knee) that an injury/bruise hurts at first, but even without meds, your body release endorphins that numb the pain out which actually happens quite quickly - roughly 5~10 minutes and you will notice slightly less pain. since ikki did numerous jumps that took a good chunk of time, ikki would have felt little to no pain by the time he made his final jump and pass the devil 33 mark.

also, this seems to be missed by many people but ikki has never 'instantly learned' anything. we don't always see all the practice he puts into doing a trick before it is revealed in a match/battle either. in fact, the only one in koga that has proven to learn from watching once and pulling it off on the first try is kazu (spitfire's signature flame trick that he used to save om, nott-dagr's wind lens - changed it to a flame lens are two examples).

[conn-man]

oyos


also, this seems to be missed by many people but ikki has never 'instantly learned' anything. we don't always see all the practice he puts into doing a trick before it is revealed in a match/battle either. in fact, the only one in koga that has proven to learn from watching once and pulling it off on the first try is kazu (spitfire's signature flame trick that he used to save om, nott-dagr's wind lens - changed it to a flame lens are two examples).

lol when you think about it kazu seems to be able to learn any technique extremly fast. it seems to me like the more confident he gets the faster he develops.

but that could be described as a special trait for a regular human that would help them compete with the likes of specially made riders like GC and BC. so the way i see it ikki is normal to, but has a special human trait that can be identified, like kazus confidence, that helps him compete with the best.

And thats why i dont think ikki is a brain charger or any other unatural experiment, just a natural genius representing the natural progression of human beings.

[misc-13]

Ikki better not!
he's supposed to show that any one can fly or something like that. if he was a brain charger then it just shows "I can do all this cause I'm SPECIAL! you normal people can't do anything."

[~Joshua~]

Wouldn't surprise me if he wouldn't but I agree with ^^"misc-13".

[bighawke5]

i think he can be a late brain charger bloomer.
im saying this because they always mention him to be "icarus" and that he'll fall to his death. now that got me interested bout icarus so i read bout it.

The truth is icarus got greedy and flew too high for his own good too fast. and got burned and failed.

if we relate it to this manga we can see that ikki is arrogant about his skills and this can be seen as the greedy part that caused icarus to fail. Ikki in the beginning was flying too high too fast for his own good and thus why they likened him to icarus.

now why i said he has to potential to become sky king is that we know he has the last name of Rinta. and if we think of them like father/son we can think of rinta as the one who gave ikki his wings (or the potential to become something great) just like in the story of icarus. since rinta gave rika gravity children, why not consider him someone that can do more? and ikki's wish/dream to fly the skies since he was a kid...maybe he's special too.

[sarutobi_sensei]

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/air_gear/v27/c254/18.html

According to that page, it can be him. But from what we've learned recently it could also be Gazeele.

I honestly don't want Ikki to be a Brain Charger, otherwise he won't be anything special but just another one.

[suarhnir]

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/air_gear/v27/c254/18.html

According to that page, it can be him. But from what we've learned recently it could also be Gazeele.

I honestly don't want Ikki to be a Brain Charger, otherwise he won't be anything special but just another one.

oyos

it's gazelle... even uncle minami considered her his 'masterpiece' and sora was rather jealous of her and went through great lengths to capture her (despite failing that). if it was ikki, then sora wouldn't have 'tossed aside' ikki when he had nike steal bagram and reveal himself to kiric.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Oh ok x) Since I'm re-reading I should be getting to that part soon x)

I really had to read it from the beginning to remember lots of stuff :) Another 30 chapters and I'm up to date.
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Wait! Isn't there a page of Doctor Minami saying something like how could he almost make the same mistake again, but not this time. something like that.

It's recent, and it shows Ikki right after he says that.
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http://www.mangafox.com/manga/air_gear/v31/c301/8.html
and
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/air_gear/v31/c301/9.html

Meh, I wonder what he means.

[DragonOsman2]

@Everyone who is against Ikki being a BC or GC: I understand your reasons, but really, there are lots of signs already pointing to him being one or both, and before anything else, you have to remember that he's a Shounen hero. It's more likely for him to be something special than for him not to be. I'm thinking he's some kind of combo between a BC and GC, something similar to what Gazelle, Lind, and Rika are since they're also a combo of both (they all have/had the Virgin Blade).

[mars0103]

well if we look at the set up Rika being the daughter of Doctor Minami friend, and that 3 GC are rised inthat house with ikki, that is abit off this means that ikki is special in one way or another, have the same last name as the doctor could mean he is his father so do you think that was the case he would tinker with his genes know that. I believe that ikki is something different from bc and gc. Also I think that rika is ikki half-sister.

[DragonOsman2]

But if the body was specifically designed for it then it wouldn't be a problem. If you put together the software and hardware it would make something new. A Gravity Charger or Brain Child.:D

On this particular side of the discussion, are you guys perhaps forgetting about a girl named Gazelle? I mean, hello? She was a combination between a Brain Charger and Gravity Child. That right there should be more than proof enough. It's already been done before, so doing it again shouldn't be a problem. I just think that if Ikki is something in between the two, he'll be a different "something in between" than she was. She didn't seem to need Tuning, right? Which would mean she was more like a Gravity Child. It wasn't a complete blend, the Brain Charger side was a little more prominent. But she had the eyes of a Brain Charger. [And before anyone says anything, please do recall that the original Thorn Regalia was made especially for Gazelle. All of the Regalia were made for the First Gen. Gravity Children, we know that. The original Thorn Regalia having been made specifically for Gazelle means she was a Gravity Child. With the eyes of a Brain Charger.]

It's possible, Suarhnir, that Ikki might have had some experiments done on him, not anything to severe though. He's Dr. Minami's son, or otherwise related to him in someway, I find it hard to believe he hasn't done anything to Ikki. He's even coming off as a mad scientist to me right now, I really wouldn't surprised. I admit that it's also possible for him to turn out to be a normal human who is just incredibly talented, and I can see why this seems like a better option to a lot of people. [Just thought I'd say that, so that we're on the same page.]