One Piece 570 Discussion / 571 Prediction

[buzz_off]

Hi guys
until now the ones who have king haki power are Luffy & hancock (end of story).
About Garp & Shanks they didn't mention that they have king haki power & we didn't see them use king haki power. what we see they use normal haki.

I'm sure WB don't have king haki power & if he have why he didn't use it until now?

I think Rold D. Roger have king haki power. Maybe Shanks, Garp & Ace too but we can't make sure that they have it until Oda show us.

To people saying that Mr. 1 is stronger then Crocodile. this chapter showing us the level between Crocodile & Mr. 1.
Showing the level between Luffy & Zoro enemies.
Showing the level between Luffy & Zoro strength.

[ANBU4U]

Ohh I always thought that was part of Sengokus scheme and not really WB's intention...

No, by WB's and everyones expressions that was his and the whole crews intention (or at least the commanders). WB even said recently (right after Vortex stabbed him) "Isn't raising one son to stand atop the next generation enough?" that seems to confirm his intentions.

BTW, where is Vortex?? A very interesting name Vortex is....He'll do something crucial. He and Buggy. Thats for sure.

[Kokuu]

Regardless of the outcome of the battle I really hope Ace does something to help out his brother after all this, either locating the rest of the strawhats, or an early guide in the new world (temp like Vivi). I really miss the others. =[

[Junaid_Sennin]

No. its been confirmed that Haki allows the user to touch Logia. Look at Boa/Smoker.

Idk what the WB Kizaru thing was about.

I totally forgot about the Hancock-Smoker incident! There, I'm glad it's settled now. As for Whitebeard, I'm sure Aokiji (not Kizaru, easy mistake) Deliberately made a hole to avoid the attack. That's just my opinion, so don't crucify me.

[ANBU4U]

I think he is using it the whole time, principally when he gives those monstrous attacks to repel the marines...

That was just the shockwave from his Bisento or w/e. I think WB is actually too weak to use his haki efficiently. He's running on fumes. He prooobably intended to save Ace that way..but choked up at the last minute due to a flare up in pain.

As for why he didn't cut Kizaru in half. Either he didn't have time to prepare the proper blow...and was just aiming to disrupt the light beam, or Logia are still immune if they're in a completely intangible form.

[Junaid_Sennin]

I think he is using it the whole time, principally when he gives those monstrous attacks to repel the marines...

No, those were quakes, you can tell coz the ball around the bisento's blade is the same as the one around his hand when he quake vica-admiral Ronze's head (the giant who tried to attack him from behind while he was standing on the Moby Dick's prow)

Prow? I don't know ship terminology, so sorry if it's wrong

[ANBU4U]

Hi guys
until now the ones who have king haki power are Luffy & hancock (end of story).
About Garp & Shanks they didn't mention that they have king haki power & we didn't see them use king haki power. what we see they use normal haki.

I'm sure WB don't have king haki power & if he have why he didn't use it until now?

I think Rold D. Roger have king haki power. Maybe Shanks, Garp & Ace too but we can't make sure that they have it until Oda show us.

To people saying that Mr. 1 is stronger then Crocodile. this chapter showing us the level between Crocodile & Mr. 1.
Showing the level between Luffy & Zoro enemies.
Showing the level between Luffy & Zoro strength.

Read above post more carefully.
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Regardless of the outcome of the battle I really hope Ace does something to help out his brother after all this, either locating the rest of the strawhats, or an early guide in the new world (temp like Vivi). I really miss the others. =[

He'll probably be WAY too busy piecing the WB pirates together along with Joz, Marco, and Jimbei. They need to re consolidate quickly, and get back to their NW territories while the WG is licking their wounds (or will be licking their wounds). Luffy will be taken care of by Iva and Boa.

Camie and hachi will be the Fishmen Island tour buddies.
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I totally forgot about the Hancock-Smoker incident! There, I'm glad it's settled now. As for Whitebeard, I'm sure Aokiji (not Kizaru, easy mistake) Deliberately made a hole to avoid the attack. That's just my opinion, so don't crucify me.

Aokiji definitely did. But I thought you were asking about when Kizaru was cut in half by WB this chapter. My mistake.

And I don't crucify. Don't fear.

[k-dom]

Well this is a chapter with a quite a lot of news. Beside the haki that everyone is talking about (but for me the most interesting part is when Iva imply that Luffy attraction with people is in part due to his haki power. I'm wandering if we can link this with Roger ability to hear things). Inazuma appearance of course, but there is also Crocodile that behave more and more in contradiction with what we know of him. Whitebeard which speaks of the will of D.
With Luffy vs Garp, will we have the first duel of this war ?

[Junaid_Sennin]

But I thought you were asking about when Kizaru was cut in half by WB this chapter. My mistake.

Oh, if you meant the most recent chapter, I don't think that was a haki strike. No one said it was, so I don't think so. Plus, like the other posters are saying, Whitebeard's on his last leg and in serious pain, maybe he can't summon the strength/resolve/emotion (who knows how haki works) to use haki. So that's just what I think.

[Razh]

Oh, if you meant the most recent chapter, I don't think that was a haki strike. No one said it was, so I don't think so. Plus, like the other posters are saying, Whitebeard's on his last leg and in serious pain, maybe he can't summon the strength/resolve/emotion (who knows how haki works) to use haki. So that's just what I think.

Yeah, it was pretty obvious that Aokiji let a spear pass through him so he could counterattack Whitebeard while holding him in place.

As for Whitebeard cutting Kizaru, there is no cut. The bladed part of bisento is a little further from Kizaru (http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/570-25/13) and Whitebeard was swinging, not stabbing.
Of course, Kizaru could still end up being hurt because that was the last time we've seen him.

I absolutely loved how Oda created a feeling of desperate action as Luffy was being covered from every side.

[johnnyb7]

Hi Guys, I'm new here so I don't know if this was already stated. Chapter was Awesome!!

I think, that the haoushoku haki is in some way compareable to the special powers of the pure blood vampires in vampire knight.
I think that the haki can help you to take control over people but in a good way.Iva said its no wonder tha Luffy attracts
so many people, and the capability to make friends with everyone he meets,mentioned by Hawkeyes is kind of proof for it too.So my theorie is that in the dark age there where two
royal family lines. One were the Ds, and the other where the tenryuubito.I think that in the D Family there were few who had the
haoushoku haki resting in them(like sharingan in the ushia bloodline). The world government knew and feard that ability because they new that those men could lead any kind
of revolution if they ever wanted and that they could shift the tendency of the world by their own, because they have the power to make people follow.The World Government
then decided to eliminate the D line, as they did many years later with ohara (because they knew or would have found out).Then they set the Tenryuubito at the Top, made them to the world
nobles because they are dumb and easily cotrollable unlike the D's.Then they erased everything related to the D's and gave the Tenryuubito special protection.
Releigh himself said to Robin that even if he would tell her the whole history here an now they couldn't do anything. By that I think he means to put the D's back on top, because they
were good leaders. Sorry if it's to much of toppic and the long text :-).

Prediction for the next chapters: Luffy will fall of the ramp but will be picked up from Marco who then will fight garp.

Please never compare One Piece to vampires (making me think of twilight) or Naruto (for the love of eveything holy, i can't stand naruto anymore). But I do understand what you're saying and agree to a small degree about the D line existing and the tenryuubito (as the descendants of the opposing group).

I don't think that Marco will be doing much else, I think he's down for the count, same with Jozu.

My prediction is that Luffy is going to fight his grandfather, who will be clearly stronger and will tell Luffy that he has a long way to go and may either knock him away or someone big named will interfere (I really hope it's Rayleigh haha).

And then I think Garp and Tsuru will hook up, everyone heard me, i said it.

[ANBU4U]

Please never compare One Piece to vampires (making me think of twilight) or Naruto (for the love of eveything holy, i can't stand naruto anymore). But I do understand what you're saying and agree to a small degree about the D line existing and the tenryuubito (as the descendants of the opposing group).

I don't think that Marco will be doing much else, I think he's down for the count, same with Jozu.

My prediction is that Luffy is going to fight his grandfather, who will be clearly stronger and will tell Luffy that he has a long way to go and may either knock him away or someone big named will interfere (I really hope it's Rayleigh haha).

And then I think Garp and Tsuru will hook up, everyone heard me, i said it.

Tsuru is OLD. like she looked as old as garp now 25 years ago.

[Junaid_Sennin]

I thought the same thing when I saw vampires, I was like "Oh no he didn't!"

Lol Garp and Tsuru, ewww. Even in Chapter 0 Tsuru didn't look too hot (over 20 yrs ago), whilst Garp looked (and still does) strong and manly. He could do better (Shakkie yum~)

Ok maybe shakkie's too hot for him

[Yatta! 100 posts!]

[Gats]

Hi guys
until now the ones who have king haki power are Luffy & hancock (end of story).
About Garp & Shanks they didn't mention that they have king haki power & we didn't see them use king haki power. what we see they use normal haki.

I'm sure WB don't have king haki power & if he have why he didn't use it until now?

I think Rold D. Roger have king haki power. Maybe Shanks, Garp & Ace too but we can't make sure that they have it until Oda show us.

To people saying that Mr. 1 is stronger then Crocodile. this chapter showing us the level between Crocodile & Mr. 1.
Showing the level between Luffy & Zoro enemies.
Showing the level between Luffy & Zoro strength.

No. There was a mistranslation in this chapter. It was said that WB and Shanks have the same Haki as Luffy.
This bad translation is a serious problem, because now each time we'll talk about it there wil always be some people who will say "no no" because they don't know (can't know). How to spread the truth ? :(

[Gcat88]

I think that Garp will not let Luffy free Ace but he wont kill him, or hurt him that bad. he believes in justice but family is important to him too.

[Junaid_Sennin]

I have an off topic question. Well, I could stretch it and say it's related to the war:

Why does everyone think Buggy's gonna be a shichibukai, or a yonkou, or some bigshot?

I'll try and see it from your perspective, but right now I don't see it. Buggy's riding the wave of his fame, and it may fool his followers, but the enemy will see him for what he is.

Let's see, a shichibukai get's chosen for notoriety and rep. Buggy has that now I guess (actually, his rep only extends to the Marines and the inmates following him, the rest of the world don't know him and the transmission on the video denden mushi to Shabaody probably wasn't taken seriously since no one saw him do anything but talk), but they also have to account for his strength since he'll need to back them (WG and Marines) in situations like this. None of the current shichibukai brought their crews (which doesn't make that much sense, since that's a part of their strength), so I assume their individual strength is what matters. Buggy may have a very strong defence, albeit a very specialised one, but offensively he's nothing.

As for yonkou, the pirates with the most influence in the New World are classified as the yonkou by WG and the Marines. Buggy's influence is weak, and the New World pirates won't be fooled like the inmates were.

Buggy may play some important part in this war, but that will only bring attention to him, it won't benefit him in any way.

That's just how I see it.

[ANBU4U]

No. There was a mistranslation in this chapter. It was said that WB and Shanks have the same Haki as Luffy.
This bad translation is a serious problem, because now each time we'll talk about it there wil always be some people who will say "no no" because they don't know (can't know). How to spread the truth ? :(


I cant believe their aren't ANY competing scans yet. The one on One Manga is just copied word for word from Mangascreeners.

This is strange. Their are usually 5 or so translations. I miss Stephen...
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I have an off topic question. Well, I could stretch it and say it's related to the war:

Why does everyone think Buggy's gonna be a shichibukai, or a yonkou, or some bigshot?

I'll try and see it from your perspective, but right now I don't see it. Buggy's riding the wave of his fame, and it may fool his followers, but the enemy will see him for what he is.

Let's see, a shichibukai get's chosen for notoriety and rep. Buggy has that now I guess (actually, his rep only extends to the Marines and the inmates following him, the rest of the world don't know him and the transmission on the video denden mushi to Shabaody probably wasn't taken seriously since no one saw him do anything but talk), but they also have to account for his strength since he'll need to back them (WG and Marines) in situations like this. None of the current shichibukai brought their crews (which doesn't make that much sense, since that's a part of their strength), so I assume their individual strength is what matters. Buggy may have a very strong defence, albeit a very specialised one, but offensively he's nothing.

As for yonkou, the pirates with the most influence in the New World are classified as the yonkou by WG and the Marines. Buggy's influence is weak, and the New World pirates won't be fooled like the inmates were.

Buggy may play some important part in this war, but that will only bring attention to him, it won't benefit him in any way.

That's just how I see it.

I dont think anyone really believes He'll be an Emperor, or War Lord.

but he'll garner some sort of undeserved status. Guranteed. Be it a title, or just a stupid High bounty in relation to his skills.

Something like 300,000,000

[chess4]

No. There was a mistranslation in this chapter. It was said that WB and Shanks have the same Haki as Luffy.
This bad translation is a serious problem, because now each time we'll talk about it there wil always be some people who will say "no no" because they don't know (can't know). How to spread the truth ? :(

i cant read the raw, so i guess im in the boat with everyone else, until i see a better translation. until i see a better trans then im going to wait.

my thing is why hasnt WB used his kings haki? him being sick and injured has nothing to do with it, he used his quake powers fine. until i read it for myself then shanks nor WB has kings haki. WB did use haki but in this fight, but it didnt resemble luffy's.

also if wB did use it, why did eveyone react like they did, when luffy used it, as if its been a while since they have seen it.

[Razh]

also if wB did use it, why did eveyone react like they did, when luffy used it, as if its been a while since they have seen it.

It was probably a surprise that a rookie kid has that kind of power.

[chess4]

I cant believe their aren't ANY competing scans yet. The one on Manga helpers is just copied word for word from Mangascreeners.

This is strange. Their are usually 5 or so translations. I miss Stephen...
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I dont think anyone really believes He'll be an Emperor, or War Lord.

but he'll garner some sort of undeserved status. Guranteed. Be it a title, or just a stupid High bounty in relation to his skills.

Something like 300,000,000

i think all the trans are the same because they are right. I highly doubt WB has kings haki. shanks a reserve judgement
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It was probably a surprise that a rookie kid has that kind of power.

i doubt it my friend. i think they are surprised that anyone used it. rookie or anyone.

[Lord Rayleigh]

Hi Guys, I'm new here so I don't know if this was already stated. Chapter was Awesome!!
Hi guy ! Welcome to MH One Piece forum ! Tou'll enjoy it a lot, trust me.


what an awesome chapter, something that caught my eye and i found interesting, has anyone else noticed the NW Pirate ThunderLord McGuy's (http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/570-25/7) sword has some sort of electrical current surrounding it, which broke the marin's sword due to it's sharpness i guess, chidori sword anyone? lol i guess it would be obvious he would have some sort of weapon or technique that involved it since his theme is thunder.
I guess that McGuy uses an electric dial on his sword. I don't see any other viable option.


If Garp chooses to save his family, it will not change what he has done for justice in the last decades. It does not mean that Garp forget his ideal either : the marine is not the justice, the marine is the organization that fights for justice, which is very different. After all, Garp became a marine to fight for justice, not to fight for marines.
Saving your family does not mean you betray justice and that you don't want to fight for justice anymore. I think it's obvious that Garp would still fight for justice after a betrayal to Sengoku's orders, even if he could not stay a marine. As Albert Camus said, " I believe into justice, but I will defend my mother before justice. " It'd be just as simple as that. Garp has devoted his life to justice and nothing can change it, nothing can change its dream. Anyway, we are not in this situation yet : Garp still wants to do his duty here.

I have to say that a " justice " that forces you to kill your own family does not worth to be defended. I think that Garp manages to bear Ace'situation because it is not him that is supposed to make the execution.
I also think that Garp only wants to prevent anyone from coming at the platform : that's his duty as a " vice-admiral of the Marine Headquarters ", that is what they were all called for. And this is also exactly what he said after he punched Marco the Phenix.
Then, about Luffy, Garp wants either to kick him away (like he did with Marco) or to beat and capture him (responsabily for his grandson's actions) BUT he never imagines that he must kill his grandson with his own hands.
So, make sure you guys also understand that it means Garp did not come before Luffy to save him from Sengoku or any crazy theory like that : he just comes because Luffy is the second one that is about to get onto the platform.

I predict that after Garp will overcome Luffy and ask for handcuff, Sengoku will expressly order Garp to end Luffy's life, because of what he already did and because of his potential (King Haki, son of Dragon). And that is the exact thing that will make Garp change his mind and wants to save his grandsons instead of defending the sequence of an execution.

[k-dom]

someone said in a previous post that whitebeard comment 'I can't stop it' in chapter 569 is also a mistranslation. Cnet didn't translate it that way but I cannot tell who is right.

[Wowzers]

Yayyy! Luffy vs Garp has arrived! I'm kind of fan-boy'd out though on that topic due to the fake spoilers from a few weeks ago on that exact topic! :XD
There will be a very emotional fight between them and Luffy will learn to recognize the difference between Garp's "Fist of Love" verses a regular punch. This may be the only lesson left for Garp to teach Luffy. I kind of picture Garp going down happy after getting hit with a haki-imbued Gatling, saying "What a Marine you would have made!"

Those of you worried about what Sengoku will do to Luffy after the Garp vs Luffy fight... I have a funny theory...
Sengoku starts to approach Luffy and Buggy calls out: "Hold it right there Sengoku! Hold it right there... or the Goat gets it!"
Sengoku quickly looks behind him and there is a goat still there... but it's made out of wax.
Buggy: "That's right Sengoku! I've got your Goat!"
goat: Mehehehehe


if the marine's lose this battle i would find it funny how luffy had a hand in the loss of the world government in all 3 of it's major organizations, enies lobby, impel down and marine HQ. In his rookie year and already has achieved more than what most veteran pirates have done, or will ever be capable of achieving, if you stop and think about it that's pretty impressive.

Yeah, Luffy is going for the Trifecta! :D

[yraelo]

Ok guys, as people still seem to not believe the mistranslation, here it goes:

The panel says in japanese: "オヤジや赤髪と同じ覇王色の覇気”　
Which literally translates as: "haoushoku haki, just like pops and red hairs"

Hope this helps...

[Marche]

I think that Crocodile was a woman because now he doesn't wear any earring and also because in the chapter 0 his face is not shown.
I also think that Hancock will fight against Sentomaru, even if I am not certain of it.
Also because Sentomaru if it won't understand that Hancock speaks of Rufy, and that it is thanks to her that Rufy has gone to ID, He could decide to leave to lose and to deal with the pirates that are going to the gibbet.
If then he speaks of Rufy, even if I don't know in that context... (it will perhaps say that Rufy is escaped from him in Shabondy, and so He will kill Rufy here and now...) ...Hancock could pierce him from behind, aside apart.
If it will be so I would like that Kizaru sees this, and goes to face Hancock, so it will be a fight for revenge (Kizaru for Sentomaru, Hancock for Rufy (because Kizaru has struck Rufy several times)).
And if from a certain point of view I like this, because both have the full control of the proper Haki, from the other one I would have preferred Hancock against Garp (this is the real fight that I wish).
In the clash against Sentomaru I think that it will win Hancock, also because I don't believe that Sentomaru has the Haki of the king.
In fact I believe that Sentomaru will win only if Hancock will be distracts by Rufy, if he will be in danger.
If it will be so I hope that She will be helped by Jimbei, because of the matter of Tiger Fisher.
I believe that Hancock will also win against Garp, because seeing that Hancock risks her life for Rufy without any fear, the indecision of Garp it will increase, because he will wonder: "Also if She is practically an extraneous for Rufy, She is prepared to lose everything for him, her life and her country, while I am not doing nothing for him and for Ace".
With these doubts its fists will be very more weak in comparison to the usual, because when someone has some doubts it is less strong (Remember the words of Nami to Iceburg after She has known the truth on Robin).
I hope that Rufy will attentively observe this clash, perhaps because He will be wounded, so probably he will admire Hancock (I don't know well as to say this), and He will fall in love for her, particularly if Hancock will beat Garp, that Rufy believes unbeatable.
In fact I believe that this is a of the few ways in which Rufy will fall in love.
I thinks this because he has not interest to “the external beauty” (or however not as the other men), but He is more interest to the internal aspect of a the person.
Just for this I believe that the only other way in which Rufy will fall in love for Hancock will be when... (always if I am right)... Hancock will take care of him after the war, when the negative effects of the hormones of Iva will arrive (it will be stricken from its gentleness).
Perhaps he will finally understand that Hancock has risked everything for him, even thanks to a question of Garp (or somebody else) during their fight, or at the end of the battle.
And perhaps will be just the Hancock’s answer (because I love him!!!) to the question of Garp (Why you risk all for Rufy???) that will increase the doubts of Garp.
If there won't be unfortunately "Hancock against Garp", I believe that however Garp will make to pass Rufy, for his choice or because someone will help Rufy, because He/She will hold busy Garp.
I would also like that Aokiji will interfere , saying that He will kill Rufy, so Garp won't have to kill his own nephew (so Aokiji will repay his debt to Garp).
Then I think that the ice on a Rufy in Gear II won't have effect, because the heat that is propagated by its body will loosen the ice.
I would finally like if it will be indeed Aokiji to face Rufy, and Garp will perhaps fight against Jozu... (after these alone or thanks to someone it will be free from the ice) ...and even with his strength (perhaps strengthened by the Haki) Garp will succeed in cracking or even to destroy the diamond.
After the confirms that also Shanks and WB have the Haki of the king, I can say that also Rayleigh has the Haki of the King, in fact He is unnamed because He there is not in this war, at least for now. This would also explain his nickname "Dark King".
I can finally say that "the wish of the D" doesn't concern the "Haki of the king", because there are people that don't have the "D"... as WB, Shanks (from what we know), Hancock and also Rayleigh but that they have the Haki of the king and people that have the "D" but don't have the Haki of the king (Sauro and probably his ancestors).
I believe the people who have the D are the descendants of the ancient kingdom (in fact to have the D is a hereditary thing (Sauro, Monkey...)).

P.S: In the translation on One Manga is not said that Shanks and WB have the Haki of the king.

Sorry I have made some mistake.

[Mr.Popo]

rayleigh said it was 2 early to revealo the strawhats because they couldnt do anything about it. he said they should keep going. i too that if they found out the truth, it wouldnt matter because they were 2 weak to change what happened
Yes and No.
He said the SHs should keep going, but also said:
"We and the people of Ohara may all have been a little too hasty".
That's what i meant, it was not the right time back than.

[evozoku]

We have seen two cases in which Luffy uses king haki and is followed by someone making a point of saying that what we saw was king haki. First time Luffy sends a non-physical blast of haki that knocks people unconscious, and Boa points out that that was king haki. Second time was last chapter. Second time, again we see that Luffy sends out a non-physical blast of haki, and people go unconscious. Several characters point out that king haki is what we saw.

So we know what it looks like. If we see someone else do the same thing, do we have to wait for a character to tell us that it was king haki, and in the meantime argue whether it was or not just because we didn't get a verbal confirmation? No. We know what it looks like when someone can use king haki.

Now that all being said, Luffy can use it (it's been said twice), Boa can use it (she said it herself), Rayleigh can use it (we saw him do the exact same thing that Luffy did later), and Shanks can use it (what do you think that was when he was on WB's ship? He was releasing a non-physical haki that was knocking people unconscious).

So can we stop arguing whether it's only Luffy and Boa have been shown to have king haki!?

Note: depending on translations, WB is unconfirmed as a king haki user. We have only seen him use regular haki, which modifies physical attacks. And with a mastery of this physical haki, and with his, literally, earth shaking devils fruit power, king haki wouldn't have been necessary for him to reach the level he did in the world.

[Junaid_Sennin]

Hancock vs Garp? I sincerely hope not. We don't know all of Hancock's abilities yet, but if she uses Perfume Femur and manages to take an important chunk out of Garp, he could die, and I don't want that. I'm not saying she's stronger, fact is we know little about her and nothing about Garp (well, we know he' has superhuman strength and speed, and has the Fist of Love).

vs Sentoumaru would be great, let's see "the world's greatest defence" vs the Pirate Empress.

If Hancock beat Garp Luffy'd be to terrified of her to fall in love with her, look at what he thinks of Nami and she's not strong, just very violent! And I dunno if he'd fall in love with her if she nurtured and took care of him. He's VERY dense, and I'm sure he'd feel gratitude and appreciation, and he already considers her a friend and ally, but if she confesses I totally picture a Naruto-esque "Huh?" from Luffy.

[Bugzee]

Highly unlikely that Boa would face Garp! I hope that the Sento & Boa confrontation in this week's chapter ..continues next chapter...into a fight :D

It's a tough one to call...:headscratch how the bloody hell will Luffy get through Garp damn it :XD I really hope Garp survives this war :shakefist ; I don't want to see him to die :scry I have a strong feeling that we'll see Kuma get involved again very soon....:amuse

Oh btw: Wowzers - I loved your theory on Sengoku & Luffy hahaha :XD :thumbs

[Youbba]

A new english translation has been posted, and it said that WB and Shanks have the king haki
http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/18949

[Bugzee]

^ Yea I checked it out!

Thankfully, thats been cleared and confirmed :tem

Tbh...I didn't expect WB to have the Haōshoku Haki, I thought he would have a different type at the very least. I hope he does something fricking awesome with his haki ability before he falls...like paralyzing Sengoku so that Luffy can free Ace or something of that kind :thumbs

[shluffy]

Oda has been showing us little bits of Buggy from the start of the manga to where we are now. PLUS, he was on Gol D. Roger's ship. I find it hard to believe that if he was on the Pirate King's ship that he's that weak. For some reason, I just see the next chapter with him kicking Garp in the face saying "It's time to get serious!".

[Junaid_Sennin]

Oda has been showing us little bits of Buggy from the start of the manga to where we are now. PLUS, he was on Gol D. Roger's ship. I find it hard to believe that if he was on the Pirate King's ship that he's that weak. For some reason, I just see the next chapter with him kicking Garp in the face saying "It's time to get serious!".

NO WAAAYYY!:tackle

If he was strong he wouldn't have lost to Luffy or any other losses up til now (in Impel Down etc.). There's a difference between not getting serious and being a punching bag, and Buggy is DEFINITELY weak... now. Oda said before Buggy is his favourite character and the Bara Bara no Mi is his favourite fruit, and that he'd bring Buggy back some day... this is some day. And since Buggy and his ability are Oda's favourites, he'll probably see some development, but not now, not in this war. I'd also like to see Buggy's potential. His downfall is that he has no strength or speed like Luffy and Zoro, and his fighting style is lame. His attacks are weak, but he has a powerful ability (Immune to cuts is VERY advantageous - who else would survive getting attacked by Mihawk [aside from logias]). Maybe the Bara Bara no Mi is wasted on Buggy, but maybe Oda has plans....

[Sharingan warrior]

Ihave a question i would like answered.When ace said you too at the the beginning of the chapter does that mean he too possesses the king's haki?

[johnnyb7]

Silver rayleigh definitely doesn't have the King's haki, he was second in command, it just wouldn't fit with the series i don't think.

[isrnick]

Oda has been showing us little bits of Buggy from the start of the manga to where we are now. PLUS, he was on Gol D. Roger's ship. I find it hard to believe that if he was on the Pirate King's ship that he's that weak. For some reason, I just see the next chapter with him kicking Garp in the face saying "It's time to get serious!".

I wouldn't go that far, but I can imagine Buggy doing some devious action that will end helping Luffy to get to Ace, and set him free...

And as a former member of Roger's crew he may very well know something about Garp and Sengoku that will make his plan be more effective.

[johnnyb7]

I won't lie, I really don't like the whole "Kings Haki" thing that Oda's put in One Piece. I like the idea of haki but I deffinately don't think Oda should have made it something people are born with as a certain type. It means that no matter how hard some people try they can't be as strong as the people with the "Kings Haki." I'm sorry if people disagree with me I would have just much rather had Oda say that Luffy's haki was much more powerful than everyone else.

[isrnick]

Ihave a question i would like answered.When ace said you too at the the beginning of the chapter does that mean he too possesses the king's haki?

No, it doesn't, he may have or may not, but there is no way of telling it for sure yet...

But since the other WB pirate said "That's the Sovereign Haki, just like the old man and Red-Hair have got!!" about Luffy's Haki right before Ace said that, and he didn't mention Ace as being a user of the "Sovereign Haki", I would say that it's most probable that he doesn't have it.

[scott1uk]

Silver rayleigh definitely doesn't have the King's haki, he was second in command, it just wouldn't fit with the series i don't think.

Shanks was also part of Roger's crew and has the King's haki... but that's ok right? Seeing as he was only an apprentice but Rayleigh was second in command? >.>

I think Ace has it as well because that would make sense, in terms of Whitebeard putting his faith in him to be the next king. He has the potential to do what Whitebeard could not.

All these people with haki... they did say 1 in 1000 right? So i guess that is ok :)

[senewe]

guys, this had probably been discussed before, but i wanna ask why the hell garp looked like damn bigger than luffy??.

[Junaid_Sennin]

Ihave a question i would like answered.When ace said you too at the the beginning of the chapter does that mean he too possesses the king's haki?

I also asked this, and as far as we know from the chapter, there's no way to tell, but if we think about it, it means that either he has it or someone he knows has it, and we know Whitebeard has it so he could be talking about Whitebeard. That doesn't rule out the fact that he may have it though.

I think Rayleigh has it, though I'm also not a fan of so many people having it.

I never thought of it that way (that some people will never be as those with Haoushoku), I guess that is a bit sucky, but I can accept it the way it is. It's good that Luffy has it, because we can see from this war, actually we've seen it since Aokiji dominated the Straw Hats, that Luffy is far from the 'top', but this shows that he has the potential (though, with this being a shonen manga, he was guaranteed to end up being pirate king and the strongest anyway).

[chess4]

so now that means hancock, luffy, WB, and shanks have been confirmed to have kings haki and rayleigh is a possible. im a bit disappointed the WB has it, the others are fine. man if WB has the quake fruit and kings haki, rogers must have been some kind of animal to best him.

my thing is why didnt WB use the kings haki to fight.

is it possible that the WB pirates was referring to another old man and not WB?

[Junaid_Sennin]

All these people with haki... they did say 1 in 1000 right? So i guess that is ok :)

Uhm... 1 in 1 000 000... yeah, that few

[chess4]

Shanks was also part of Roger's crew and has the King's haki... but that's ok right? Seeing as he was only an apprentice but Rayleigh was second in command? >.>

I think Ace has it as well because that would make sense, in terms of Whitebeard putting his faith in him to be the next king. He has the potential to do what Whitebeard could not.

All these people with haki... they did say 1 in 1000 right? So i guess that is ok :)

actually it was 1 in a 1,000,000

[Junaid_Sennin]

man if WB has the quake fruit and kings haki, rogers must have been some kind of animal to best him.

DAMN SKIPPY!!!


is it possible that the WB pirates was referring to another old man and not WB?

I doubt it, since they've been referring to Whitebeard as Old Man since they were introduced.

[Bugzee]

It'll be interesting to see at a later stage wherever it will be revealed if Ace possesses a type of haki!

- He might eventually discover a type of haki within him later on...
- He may already possess a different type of haki lol...

or...he might actually possess the Haōshoku Haki but hasn't awakend it as of yet :D

Wouldn't it be fricking awesome if he did awaken it against BB (round 2 rematch :D)

Well, anyway I'm sure Ace has a fearsome type of haki residing inside him! He is Roger's son afterall and it would suck if he didn't possess any form of haki at all imo.

[elitefox]

A new english translation has been posted, and it said that WB and Shanks have the king haki
http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/18949

Wow this translation is even cooler than mangastream.

The arrangement in the sentence also affects the meaning :D
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Shanks was also part of Roger's crew and has the King's haki... but that's ok right? Seeing as he was only an apprentice but Rayleigh was second in command? >.>

I think Ace has it as well because that would make sense, in terms of Whitebeard putting his faith in him to be the next king. He has the potential to do what Whitebeard could not.

All these people with haki... they did say 1 in 1000 right? So i guess that is ok :)

You are seeing them quite frequently because... the top of world pirates are here... you will not see many king's haki users everywhere. Just coincidently there are a gathering of most powerful people here

[isrnick]

my thing is why didnt WB use the kings haki to fight.

I think he is using it all the time to boost all his attacks...

[frontaLobotomy]

man if WB has the quake fruit and kings haki, rogers must have been some kind of animal to best him.

I don't think Roger ever did truly defeat him, didn't they only fight to a draw in their last battle, with Whitebeard getting that huge scar?
His knowledge on the Will of D. was what compelled me more, Haoushoku can't even seem to beat it if Whitebeard has it, coupled with one of the strongest Devil's Fruits. I'd like to talk a little more about Luffy's ability once he can utilise Haki but I'll add that to the megaconvo in future maybe.

[Bugzee]

I thought WB was using his DF ability with his Bisento (like a combo)??? :blink I would've expected some sort of declaration that he was using haki in earlier chapters... maybe I missed it :headscratch

Well, I'm sure we'll see Whitebeard release a fricking awesome haki attack on the admirals very soon hehe :XD

[Junaid_Sennin]

I think he is using it all the time to boost all his attacks...

Possible, but I dunno, with Haki still being such a mystery, I think Oda'd put more of a spotlight on it. But there was one HUGE slash by Whitebeard (chapter 566, p16-17), where all he said beforehand was "Stand back, my sons!" and no one mentioned haki, but it looked EPIC! The art for it was like when Luffy punched Saint Charloss
[hr]
Whitebeard WAS using his quakes with his bisento, since the bubble that appears around his hand when he quakes also appeared around the blade of the bisento

[FluffBall]

I don't think Roger ever did truly defeat him, didn't they only fight to a draw in their last battle, with Whitebeard getting that huge scar?
His knowledge on the Will of D. was what compelled me more, Haoushoku can't even seem to beat it if Whitebeard has it, coupled with one of the strongest Devil's Fruits. I'd like to talk a little more about Luffy's ability once he can utilise Haki but I'll add that to the megaconvo in future maybe.

it would be interesting to know what he knows on the will of D. which would probably reveal a lot of things ......

[isrnick]

I thought WB was using his DF ability with his Bisento (like a combo)??? :blink I would've expected some sort of declaration that he was using haki in earlier chapters... maybe I missed it :headscratch

Well, I'm sure we'll see Whitebeard release a fricking awesome haki attack on the admirals very soon hehe :XD

I don't think that there is need to announce every time someone uses haki, the women from Amazon Lily for instance use it all the time, and Hancock being one probably is using it in every attack she does...

Whitebeard just didn't made an outburst of haki like Luffy did, but he probably is using it in other ways (boosting his attacks for instance)... I don't think he would have such a power, and would prevent himself from using it in this war until now... Wouldn't make any sense...

[Bugzee]

Whitebeard did use some really powerful attacks with his bisento...I still think it was a combo with his quake fruit though. Well, I really hope he uses haki-based attacks very soon :thumbs *waiting for Kizaru to get owned :shakefist*

It would be awesome if we get a flashback next chapter involving WB & Roger talking about the will of d. or something to do with haki! That would be dope! imo



@ isrnick - this is WB we're talking about...I'm sure if he was using haki-based attacks with his bisento already SOMEONE would've given us readers a hint at the very least...there's a possiblity that your right but I still feel that so far his been using his quake fruit :thumbs

[ANBU4U]

i think all the trans are the same because they are right. I highly doubt WB has kings haki. shanks a reserve judgement
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i doubt it my friend. i think they are surprised that anyone used it. rookie or anyone.

http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/18949

THATS a correct translation.

It confirms Shanks, Whitebeard, and heavily implies Ace.

You can trust CNET.

Is this done yet? Can we stop? Everyone?
[hr]

Oda has been showing us little bits of Buggy from the start of the manga to where we are now. PLUS, he was on Gol D. Roger's ship. I find it hard to believe that if he was on the Pirate King's ship that he's that weak. For some reason, I just see the next chapter with him kicking Garp in the face saying "It's time to get serious!".

No, Buggy is really useless.

[lonelytaka]

No, Buggy is really useless.

he useless, but he talk only, no action mean he weak.

[ANBU4U]

Ihave a question i would like answered.When ace said you too at the the beginning of the chapter does that mean he too possesses the king's haki?

Thats the common sense implication. But he could be referring to WB for all we know.

[elitefox]

Maybe he WB wants to make will of D come true... since Ace is a descendant, he thinks only Ace can do it... but is will of D is different from King's haki? or will of D is stronger and only WB, Garp and Sengoku can recognize it because he has felt it from PK Roger at raw... since they are the only one who have fought the PK or as wB says "knows the sea from the past."

[ANBU4U]

guys, this had probably been discussed before, but i wanna ask why the hell garp looked like damn bigger than luffy??.

He's always been pretty big. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/04/

[Bugzee]

I must admit though....Garp looks even more hench-like at the end of this weeks chapter :XD.

Sengoku, Garp, WB.....Shanks & Buggy *:XD*...the last few remaining people of the current era

I'm praying that Garp survives this war :wtf Does anyone think that Sento won't be affected by Boa's DF ability??? :blink

[frontaLobotomy]

^ Nahhh. Sentomaru has the toughest defence in the world, hot women can't even penetrate that. I'd be intrigued to see if they fought though, given we already know Hancock has Haoshoku it'd be nice to see if Sentomaru possesses Haki as many of us suspect.

[elitefox]

Since we are talking about haki, is Garp using haki too that is why he can hurt luffy?

if that is the case then the first SH that have use haki is Nami, see how he beat luffy numerous times :D

[Bugzee]

^ Luffy is a aramecia DF user, you don't necessarily need to use haki-based attacks to hurt/hit/attack him lol.

Yea, even though Sento has the strongest defence it still got me wondering if Boa could penetrate it :amuse



edit: check this out elitefox it will help - Types of Devil Fruits (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Devil_Fruit):thumbs

[isrnick]

@ isrnick - this is WB we're talking about...I'm sure if he was using haki-based attacks with his bisento already SOMEONE would've given us readers a hint at the very least...there's a possiblity that your right but I still feel that so far his been using his quake fruit :thumbs

OR this is just something everyone would expect from WB, so there isn't any need to someone make comments about it, but seeing a rookie like Luffy using the haoushoku haki was surprising.

My current theory about haki being used to attack is that it can make all kinds of attacks stronger, like punches, kicks, weapon based attacks, projectiles, etc, and even increase akunamoni based attacks... (Besides the ability of damaging Logia users, and of knocking down weaklings from far away.)

Like WB's earthquake attacks for instance, I think his attacks are so strong exactly because he is using his haki to increase it, and if he didn't they just wouldn't be so impressive as they are.

But maybe if WB had used his haki as an outburst like Luffy, someone would have said something about it...

[ANBU4U]

Uhm... 1 in 1 000 000... yeah, that few

We'll you have to realize that we're at the pinnacle here. 1 in 1,000,000 is about what? One person every 10 islands or so at any given time.

So about 2-300 of them in the One Piece world? It only makes sense that a disproportional amount of such powerful people would end up at this stage.
[hr]

^ Luffy is a aramecia DF user, you don't necessarily need to use haki-based attacks to hurt/hit/attack him lol.

Yea, even though Sento has the strongest defence it still got me wondering if Boa could penetrate it :amuse



edit: check this out elitefox it will help - Types of Devil Fruits (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Devil_Fruit):thumbs

The Gumu Gumu no mi negates blunt physical damage.

The only way to hurt luffy with a blunt attack is to use haki. all of Nami's scenes are comical.

Garp's "Fist of Love" however, may not be.

[Junaid_Sennin]

Yeah, Oda said in an SBS that Nami's attacks are for comedic affect. Having him say it actually ruins the comedic effect though doesn't it, since we now know it's a lie?

Don't worry Oda, I'll always laugh when I see this: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/435/07/

[johnnyb7]

someone commented on this earlier, and yes, garp does look like he's about 15 feet tall http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/570/14-15/

[M.D.Ace]

why do people think wb has kings haki. if he did he would have been the one to save ace at that point not luffy. and when croco saved him, it would have been wb IF he had kings haki..But he doesnt

[elitefox]

^ Nahhh. Sentomaru has the toughest defence in the world, hot women can't even penetrate that. I'd be intrigued to see if they fought though, given we already know Hancock has Haoshoku it'd be nice to see if Sentomaru possesses Haki as many of us suspect.


^ Luffy is a aramecia DF user, you don't necessarily need to use haki-based attacks to hurt/hit/attack him lol.

Yea, even though Sento has the strongest defence it still got me wondering if Boa could penetrate it :amuse



edit: check this out elitefox it will help - Types of Devil Fruits (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Devil_Fruit):thumbs

I know, he might get wounded but as far as the drawing in the manga goes, luffy had a very very awful big lumps in his head which doesn't happen in a fight with anyone except garp and nami :D

(though it is only for comedy purposes) ;)

[Samui]

why do people think wb has kings haki. if he did he would have been the one to save ace at that point not luffy. and when croco saved him, it would have been wb IF he had kings haki..But he doesnt
Because it was said that he has it.

[isrnick]

why do people think wb has kings haki. if he did he would have been the one to save ace at that point not luffy. and when croco saved him, it would have been wb IF he had kings haki..But he doesnt

Chater 569 page 13

Sengoku: If you wish to see the future, then let me show it to you now! // Whitebeard!! // Do it!!!
Pirates: ACE~~~~~!!!
Whitebeard: Useless. Do you truly believe that I cannot stop your... / Unghh!! / !!!
Sengoku: Observe, Whitebeard!!!
Whitebeard: (No...!!!) // Ungh!!!

Source: http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/18765


Chater 570 page 2

People: Oi! Hang in there!! // Crap!! I nearly lost consciousness! // Ace's brother......!!
Luffy: Haaaaaahhhhhhhhhh~~~!!
Pirate: That's the Sovereign Haki, just like the old man and Red-Hair have got!!

Source: http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/18949


That is the reason why... He would have used his haki to save Ace, but his sickness stoped him when he was about to use it... And because one of the WB pirates explicitly said that he has the King's Haki...

And when Crocodile saved Ace, Whitebeard still was on the other side of the wall so he couldn't do anything, but Marco was over the wall ready to do something if Crocodile hadn't done it...

[M.D.Ace]

sorry but that assumption should not be made. just cause he thought he could save ace from where he is does not mean that he was going to use kings haki to stop it.. i know you would ask me what then would he have used but sorry i dont know but i do know that the chances of him not having it is stil as gd as him having it

and your script. wel that wasent wat was shown in the actual manga

[JC_AC]

He's always been pretty big. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/04/

Garp's a really big dude and there he looks unusually huge. I think it's just the "contrapicado" perspective, angled from below, in the fifth panel you can see him in an upper level than Luffy.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/570/14-15/

I hope I made sense.:facepalm

[M.D.Ace]

@everyone who thinks garp is that big.. no he is not.. remember at the begining of the war when they also showed the shichibukais as giants http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/550/08-09/
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its just to emphasize the impact they could make or their threat level or something

[Kaizoku-O Luffy]

I was thinking why doesn't that Ice-breaker ice-witch fight aokiji. Since she can break ice fighting him will not present a big obstacle after all she is a NW pirates captain.

Also it is not necessary for luffy to get to the platform to save ace. If he and buggy work together they can save ace, since Luffy has the key and buggy can separate he can use that power to unlock using the key luffy has. This can work to their advantage because no one except hancock knows that he has the key to the ace's chain lock.

The one thing though is does luffy has the brain to think like that at the current situation.

[k-dom]

When Ace says you too, he is refering to Whitebeard. At least that is my understanding

[chitgoks]

http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/18949

THATS a correct translation.

It confirms Shanks, Whitebeard, and heavily implies Ace.

You can trust CNET.

Is this done yet? Can we stop? Everyone?
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No, Buggy is really useless.

true. in luffy and buggy's first fight, if buggy really is strong he would have defeated luffy without problems

[M.D.Ace]

When Ace says you too, he is refering to Whitebeard. At least that is my understanding

i think its himself. ace and luffy have it..after all they're the future generation of yonkou. would only make sense.. no point in revealing wb has it. hes gonna die in few chaps

[ocajavati]

It's pretty exciting to see the most of the identifiable NW captains are still up. With each of them at least stronger than Luffy, it would be disappointing to see them fall to nameless Pacifista.

No. It's been explicitly stated that it's a mistranslation. It was stated in the chapter that Whitebeard and Shank have the King's Haki. Ace is a *maybe*.

Give Whitebeard a break people. He's old. He's ill. He's hurt. Pretty much half way into a casket if you ask me.

[M.D.Ace]

It's pretty exciting to see the most of the identifiable NW captains are still up. With each of them at least stronger than Luffy, it would be disappointing to see them fall to nameless Pacifista.

No. It's been explicitly stated that it's a mistranslation. It was stated in the chapter that Whitebeard and Shank have the King's Haki. Ace is a *maybe*.

Give Whitebeard a break people. He's old. He's ill. He's hurt. Pretty much half way into a casket if you ask me.

sorry mate. i aint seen any evidence that it was a mistranslation. so my opinion until disproved is the wb does not have kings haki

[Vadz]

Garp: "I won't move luffy, I am marine's vice-admiral'

Prediction Next Chapter

Luffy: "Alright gramps, stay still and dont move any bit, im going through... kthxbai"

very well ace is saved, and the pirates escape normally. sengoku is stressed and commit suicide.
the end...

[Mushashi]

awsome chapter i think there is a high chance ace will get freed next chapter. i can definetly see white beard dying in the near future. but im just stoked at how the Garp V luffy fight is going to turn out. if garp is as strong as the impression ive gotten of him then i dont think luffy stands a chance.

[Winlyx-chan]

WB and Shanks do both have the kings haki. The mangastream and one manga (same person probably did both) both are missing a few different key details and mistranslations. It has been stated before (which is why I recommend before you post you at least skim through previous pages) that mangastream miss translated and missed a few key points in the chapter. Manga Share has the correct chapter. Click here (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-570/page001.html) to read the correct translation of this chapter. Luffy also didn't say "I don't know who this whitebeard person is" He said "I don't know what this whitebeard person is" indicating his level as one of the four pirate kings. My guess is that Mangastream just released the chapter as early as possible to please the fans but didn't look over detail to closely to make sure that everything was correct and translated. This isn't the first time a translation mistake has been made that people still refuse to believe (look at Jimbei's comment to Luffy about Arlong. Some people still think that Jimbei is angry at Luffy)

[isrnick]

sorry but that assumption should not be made. just cause he thought he could save ace from where he is does not mean that he was going to use kings haki to stop it.. i know you would ask me what then would he have used but sorry i dont know but i do know that the chances of him not having it is stil as gd as him having it

and your script. wel that wasent wat was shown in the actual manga

It just happens that the "actual" manga that you have read had a mistranslation, they simply had left out the most important part of the sentence stating that WB and Shanks are users of the King's haki.

It's a fact confirmed for at least 2 reliable sources that in the japanese text of the RAW the pirate says: "That's the Sovereign Haki, just like the old man and Red-Hair have got!!". Firstly Aohige from APforums, the main and most reliable translator of OP's spoilers, said so, and after that CNET, one of the best translators from MangaHelpers, confirmed it.

So there is no doubt about it Whitebeard and Shanks were also confirmed as King's haki users.

[ANBU4U]

i think its himself. ace and luffy have it..after all they're the future generation of yonkou. would only make sense.. no point in revealing wb has it. hes gonna die in few chaps

You're on the internets foremost site for manga RAW's and Translations.

Do some investigating why don't ya?

The chapter was hastily translated by Mangascreener (thanks for the rapid release tho), that same translation was used in Vizards scans. It is not accurate.

this is: http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/18949

Wait a bit, and the scanlations of the Chapter already out on oniline viewing sites such as mangashare, mangafox, and OneManga will be replaced with better versions.

I don't know what else to tell you.

[WinningDays]

I feel a long post coming...read it anyway:)

Yay! I just read the RAW and the cnet trans and man, this chapter is so great!
I just realized how short is was though...only 15 pgs...but I feel like it's worth a 100 of any other series...

I think the only thing I would change from the cnet trans is at the end where Garp says "Like hell I'm going to move!!!" It's more like, "There's no way I can move!!!" well, that's not it either I guess, but I just want to think that Garp is really struggling and he doesn't want to block Luffy but he knows he has to...:(

And Whitebeard and Shanks definitely have the haoushoku haki...like no doubt about it whatsoever...and Ace probably has it too...
Hmm...Garp might have it and Dragon might too...there's definitely a connection to the Ds
I kind of agree with the person who said before that he wishes Oda didn't make this special kind of haki....but maybe it's not that special...just rare...

Reading the RAW is something else though...maybe because I have to go slow so I can look at all the pictures and stuff...:amuse

But Whitebeard was so cool, he's like full of holes and yet he's still beating off the guys around him, and they're not pushovers either they're like the best of the best practically...

And Mihawk, he doesn't say much but he's really trying to kill Luffy:o, he must sense danger or something...

Then there's Crocodile, he's just a bunch of ???
what happened to Doflamingo? what is he thinking? why does he care?
maybe Doflamingo's controlling him...no, I don't really think so...

And I don't think it's Garp that's really big, well he is, but it's more like Luffy is really small...
He's one of the smallest people on the field...like on the page where there's no words and people are just running, you can barely even see Luffy.(pg6?)
Unless, everyone around him happened to be giants, I don't remember if they were...

Anyways, next chapter is going to be even more exciting!!
Maybe Sengoku will finally say something...
though his speechless face is great...
*gasp* maybe Ace will say something, his face was funny when Luffy was running up...

[Szaman]

im saying if it s true the raw said that WB nd shanks both have kings haki then thats 3 other people that are tied to luffy that has kings haki. my thing is i thought kings haki would set him apart from others. in shanks case i thought his haaki was just very strong. if shanks has it then i dont see how luffy can surpass him

Luffy doesn't have to surpass Shanks in anything. Especially in "haki power" since it's not a penis size competition along the lines of "Your kung-fu is weaker then mine!". They have it. And that is it.
Also, Shanks himself have settled this with just one move: He lost his arm fot this boy and has been waiting for him for 10 years. Why? Well, not to see if he can kick Luffy's ass, that's for sure. He stated multiple times, that he WANTS Luffy to be "grander" they a yonkou and that he believes in him. Mihawk, Dark King Rayleigh and god knows how many others Shanks talked with are aware of that since he made no secret about it.
All LUFFY has to do is to follow his ambition and dreams. He does not need to actively compete, race after, or aim to surpass the power of Shanks. I'll come naturally anyway.
I'm quite sure Shanks would be very dissapointed if his foster-son (as I tend to think about their relationship) was to fail to be at least as good as he is.


He'll probably be WAY too busy piecing the WB pirates together along with Joz, Marco, and Jimbei. They need to re consolidate quickly, and get back to their NW territories while the WG is licking their wounds (or will be licking their wounds). Luffy will be taken care of by Iva and Boa.

Camie and hachi will be the Fishmen Island tour buddies.
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I get the feeling that this might be true in a longer perspective. But let us review the possibilities the pirates have to escape each on their own ship, each to their own, chosen destination. What are those chances? Zero. None.
There is is far to few vessels to carry them (we know some got destroyed, we can logically conclude thet most other met this fate too) and far too many groups of interests there:
- WB coalition
- Buggy followers
- Luffy and his revolutionary bodyguards (and Boa as her future as Shichi is done for I guess)
- Croc

This merry bunch along with their wounded and unconscious mates will not have the luxury of an easy bording back on their ships. They will grab whatever is left (is there is anything left) and get as far away as possible. This will provide some explosive mix antagonistic groups being forced to travel together for at least some time - maybe even days, before they can part.
So I guess they will spend some time together and this may give Ace some time to play tutor for Luffy.
But we'll see how the "getting away" part will be resolved by Oda.


I predict that after Garp will overcome Luffy and ask for handcuff, Sengoku will expressly order Garp to end Luffy's life, because of what he already did and because of his potential (King Haki, son of Dragon). And that is the exact thing that will make Garp change his mind and wants to save his grandsons instead of defending the sequence of an execution.

I have to say I like it.


Hancock vs Garp? I sincerely hope not. We don't know all of Hancock's abilities yet, but if she uses Perfume Femur and manages to take an important chunk out of Garp, he could die, and I don't want that. I'm not saying she's stronger, fact is we know little about her and nothing about Garp (well, we know he' has superhuman strength and speed, and has the Fist of Love).

vs Sentoumaru would be great, let's see "the world's greatest defence" vs the Pirate Empress.

If Hancock beat Garp Luffy'd be to terrified of her to fall in love with her, look at what he thinks of Nami and she's not strong, just very violent! And I dunno if he'd fall in love with her if she nurtured and took care of him. He's VERY dense, and I'm sure he'd feel gratitude and appreciation, and he already considers her a friend and ally, but if she confesses I totally picture a Naruto-esque "Huh?" from Luffy.

Luffy realizes how much of a power house his gamps is. If it comes down to Boa vs. Garp and she even manages to keep him at bay he'd be shocked and some real awe for her would be in place. Killing Garp? Not likely. Luffy can always add those 3 little words, that will change the whole attack plan for Boa (from "you tried to hurd my love, DIE!" into "I won't let you hurt him"): "He's my grandfather". We can say a lot of things about Boa, but not that she does not realize that family is family (the bonds between her and her sisters).
Honestly, Boa vs. Garp is what I would love to see. Non-leathal, but also no holding back type of combat. Just to see how strong she really is.

[ikuroi]

I think the only thing I would change from the cnet trans is at the end where Garp says "Like hell I'm going to move!!!" It's more like, "There's no way I can move!!!" well, that's not it either I guess, but I just want to think that Garp is really struggling and he doesn't want to block Luffy but he knows he has to...:(

Well I would translate it to (which btw I think is the most proper trans of it),

"Like if I can move Luffy!!!" or "Like I can move out of the way Luffy!!!"

Kind of hard to translate japanese to english, because there is no proper term, but going by logic it would be that.

どくわけにいけない - I can't move (out of the way)
いくか - Like (if) I can
どくわけにいくか - Like (if) I can move out of the way

Sorry, maybe the wrong thread to post it, but just wanted to reply to that.

But I think Luffy is better of facing Garp than Sengoku. Sengoku is not pleased at the moment.

[Marche]

Luffy doesn't have to surpass Shanks in anything. Especially in "haki power" since it's not a penis size competition along the lines of "Your kung-fu is weaker then mine!". They have it. And that is it.
Also, Shanks himself have settled this with just one move: He lost his arm fot this boy and has been waiting for him for 10 years. Why? Well, not to see if he can kick Luffy's ass, that's for sure. He stated multiple times, that he WANTS Luffy to be "grander" they a yonkou and that he believes in him. Mihawk, Dark King Rayleigh and god knows how many others Shanks talked with are aware of that since he made no secret about it.
All LUFFY has to do is to follow his ambition and dreams. He does not need to actively compete, race after, or aim to surpass the power of Shanks. I'll come naturally anyway.
I'm quite sure Shanks would be very dissapointed if his foster-son (as I tend to think about their relationship) was to fail to be at least as good as he is.



I get the feeling that this might be true in a longer perspective. But let us review the possibilities the pirates have to escape each on their own ship, each to their own, chosen destination. What are those chances? Zero. None.
There is is far to few vessels to carry them (we know some got destroyed, we can logically conclude thet most other met this fate too) and far too many groups of interests there:
- WB coalition
- Buggy followers
- Luffy and his revolutionary bodyguards (and Boa as her future as Shichi is done for I guess)
- Croc

This merry bunch along with their wounded and unconscious mates will not have the luxury of an easy bording back on their ships. They will grab whatever is left (is there is anything left) and get as far away as possible. This will provide some explosive mix antagonistic groups being forced to travel together for at least some time - maybe even days, before they can part.
So I guess they will spend some time together and this may give Ace some time to play tutor for Luffy.
But we'll see how the "getting away" part will be resolved by Oda.



I have to say I like it.



Luffy realizes how much of a power house his gamps is. If it comes down to Boa vs. Garp and she even manages to keep him at bay he'd be shocked and some real awe for her would be in place. Killing Garp? Not likely. Luffy can always add those 3 little words, that will change the whole attack plan for Boa (from "you tried to hurd my love, DIE!" into "I won't let you hurt him"): "He's my grandfather". We can say a lot of things about Boa, but not that she does not realize that family is family (the bonds between her and her sisters).
Honestly, Boa vs. Garp is what I would love to see. Non-leathal, but also no holding back type of combat. Just to see how strong she really is.In fact I don't think that will be leathal, also because I believe that Hancock will knew that Garp is Rufy's gramps (at the beggining, in the middle or at the end of the clash).
Image the reaction of Hancock if Rufy will howl: "Don't kill him, He is my grandfather" (already only if He named her's name to low voice it behaves so, let's show up us if He will howl it).
Sorry if I have made mistake.

[zagorka]

I bet Luffy will just stare strongly at Garp saying, "I know you will let me go." (Similar to what Roger told Garp in that flashback a while ago regarding Ace) And Garp will be stunned and will let his grandson go, leaving only Sengoku to battle Luffy. Garp has to figure what is most precious to him. The life of Luffy and Ace or the Marines. I'm sure he's emotionally compromised in some way, and now is time to see if he'll betray the Marines. I'm not saying that Luffy and Garp won't exchange fists a bit, but that is generally how I think it'll end up.

[beastboy]

I hope this turns out a good battle...
And don't forget that Luffy likes to create battle techs during the battle.. so Luffy might get a glimps of Garps technique and try's to use it..

Of corse he gets kicked in the ass... but only one good punch would be enough for my likes...
And, with almoast no fooders in the war, and with the need of holding people back...
Time for 1vs1 (or 2 vs 2, or handicaps)!

But this won't be the time for the new world pirates to shine.. they will have they're time in the new world...
But Iva, crab, WB and so on.. need to shine right now..

Let me try to guess it (2nd or 3rd time):
Iva vs Aokiji (Marco back ups later on)
Jinbei vs Akainu (Joz and Marco back up later on)
WB vs Kizaru (unfinished fight)
New World Pirates vs Vice Admirals and PX's
Croc vs Mihawk vs Dofla
Boa Hancock vs Sentoumaru (not sure about this one)
While Luffy fights Garp... (or should I say, gets kicked by Garp)
Boa Hancock vs Sentoumaru

Then, it will be flashback time.. witth lots of Luffy, Ace and Garp... history revelations, and plot going forword...

Luffy manages to get a power up, with no Plot Kai..

And then, the SH appear, all badass and powered up..

(this are my prediction for the next 10 chapters)

[Szaman]

beastboy - you seem to forget, that this whole arc didn't have a single 1 on 1 fight in it.
Each time any big name fought any other big fish it was due to necessity to help someone or to balance things, or to stop the other side from gainig advantge. It's chess, not boxing.
Those weren't even fights, more skirmishes. Short, burst-like exchange of punches/kicks and the configuration of fightes changed. Just look how many enemies Mihawk fought/is fighting. This isnt about "me kick you hard!", it's about getting to Ace as fast and as painlessly as possible. If they start to go mano-a-mano they won't gain anything apart from slowing things down.
Or to put things a little differently: It's a clusterf***k fight. Too many players, too little space, little time, a lot of hungry strong enemies. And you count on 1:1? Nope.

[Gats]

This is the 3rd chapter of 15 pages now. I hope that Oda won't keep forever so little chapters, but yet I didn't feel these like 15, good work.

[misterchaos]

This was a chapter of 19 pages...it doesnt matter the quantity but the quality..-_-'

[misterchaos]

I get the feeling that this might be true in a longer perspective. But let us review the possibilities the pirates have to escape each on their own ship, each to their own, chosen destination. What are those chances? Zero. None.
There is is far to few vessels to carry them (we know some got destroyed, we can logically conclude thet most other met this fate too) and far too many groups of interests there:
- WB coalition
- Buggy followers
- Luffy and his revolutionary bodyguards (and Boa as her future as Shichi is done for I guess)
- Croc

This merry bunch along with their wounded and unconscious mates will not have the luxury of an easy bording back on their ships. They will grab whatever is left (is there is anything left) and get as far away as possible. This will provide some explosive mix antagonistic groups being forced to travel together for at least some time - maybe even days, before they can part.
So I guess they will spend some time together and this may give Ace some time to play tutor for Luffy.
But we'll see how the "getting away" part will be resolved by Oda.




I predict that most of the pirates will hide in Capone Bege's Body because of his DF, you heard from me...xD, it will be a great escape..

[Bugzee]

^ I'm hoping too that Oda won't keep the 15 page per chapter forever :s

Mihawk really did attack Luffy with killing intent :XD that was :scry I'm thinking Mihawk wanted to see how he would be saved this time by another ally. :amuse

[Gats]

^ I'm hoping too that Oda won't keep the 15 page per chapter forever :s

Mihawk really did attack Luffy with killing intent :XD that was :scry I'm thinking Mihawk wanted to see how he would be saved this time by another ally. :amuse

It seems that Mihawk wants to question/test Luffy's fate.

[mr.danly]

someone commented on this earlier, and yes, garp does look like he's about 15 feet tall http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/570/14-15/

it's not that big of a deal. Oda has made mistakes before when it comes to drawing people's sizes. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/550/08-09/ Here, Hancock looks like a giant, almost 3 times larger than the marine, but we all know that she's pretty normal height.

[evozoku]

I won't lie, I really don't like the whole "Kings Haki" thing that Oda's put in One Piece. I like the idea of haki but I deffinately don't think Oda should have made it something people are born with as a certain type. It means that no matter how hard some people try they can't be as strong as the people with the "Kings Haki." I'm sorry if people disagree with me I would have just much rather had Oda say that Luffy's haki was much more powerful than everyone else.

We really don't know how it works yet. The D's might just have a high potential to have it. But it could also be learned, just more difficult to do so. Boa seems to have strived to learn to use it. And then we see that Luffy is actually the only D known to have it. Those that are known to have it are Shanks, Boa, Rayleigh, and depending on translations, WB. Not a single D (at least the initial wasn't passed down to them).

Anyway, I'm fine with Oda doing keeping it from everyone. Wouldn't it also be unfair that someone stumbles upon a logia fruit, and suddenly they can be one of the most powerful people in the world? At least king haki is a skill you have to learn to use and perfect. But it also adds to the mystery of the One Piece world (The D's, the lost century, where character's strength comes from despite no DF abilities).

Basically, the king haki adds to the mystery and grandeur of One Piece, and it's Oda's way of leveling the playing field against characters that are almost invincible because of shear luck (finding a logia fruit).

[chess4]

It seems that Mihawk wants to question/test Luffy's fate.

shanks is going to be pissed if he finds out about this. mihawk may be an animal, but i dont think he wants it with red hair.

[beastboy]

C'mon...
I know this is all about saving Ace...
but if WB stops fighting Kizaru (eg) he will jump on Luffy...

So they have to entertain them... the only problem are the two big old dogs!!

Lett them to Luffy.. if it is impossible, he will do the impossible and kick the reason to the curb!
Not with plot kais, nor plot no mi's... but with is small brain...

I can see something like chopper returning and telling PWN goat to bite Sengoku's nuts...
that would be so epic I would piss my pants!

[WinningDays]

We really don't know how it works yet. The D's might just have a high potential to have it. But it could also be learned, just more difficult to do so. Boa seems to have strived to learn to use it. And then we see that Luffy is actually the only D known to have it. Those that are known to have it are Shanks, Boa, Rayleigh, and depending on translations, WB. Not a single D (at least the initial wasn't passed down to them).

Anyway, I'm fine with Oda doing keeping it from everyone. Wouldn't it also be unfair that someone stumbles upon a logia fruit, and suddenly they can be one of the most powerful people in the world? At least king haki is a skill you have to learn to use and perfect. But it also adds to the mystery of the One Piece world (The D's, the lost century, where character's strength comes from despite no DF abilities).

Basically, the king haki adds to the mystery and grandeur of One Piece, and it's Oda's way of leveling the playing field against characters that are almost invincible because of shear luck (finding a logia fruit).

Oh, I like this positive way of thinking....
My thoughts were all heading in the wrong direction...like the uhh, you know, um...Narutocomparisondirection...:o

I couldn't help it I was like "oh no, is this going to be like when Naruto turned out to be blahblahblah or the Sharingan blahblahblahblah...?":darn
Just for a second though. really.

Not that I hate Naruto or anything, just that there are a few things I don't like...but yeah...
I think Oda knows better, knows what he's doing...

Yes, thank you, for clearing my head of evil thoughts...:)

This whole haki thing is interesting though, I just wonder how many people are in the OP world... if the haoushoku haki is one in a million and there are 7 billion people, like on Earth, then there's gotta be like 7000 people who have it...
which is still pretty rare...even if Luffy, Hancock, Whitebeard, Shanks and maybe Garp, Ace, Roger, and Dragon all had it...

[chess4]

luffy is going to give garp a great speech, and he will realize that he must save his boys. he will hold of sengoku. if luufy can free ace, then ace can take on one of the admirals. also maybe mr 3 frees marco, and if WB fights kizaru, then everything is equal. then it will be a match of who truly is stronger. the WB alliance with garp or the WG

[urlaub]

The next couple of chaps will be crucial, if Garp joins WB then Ace is resqued for shure. But what are the other options? Garp beating Luffy and Garp taken out by who? And I don't mean dr. who. There seem to be no other options left than Garp letting Luffy near it. Or maybe he starts to fight by someone who sacrificies himself? Maybe Guardos time to shine, he's been awfully quiet, nowhere to be seen.

[sarutobi_sensei]

This is the 3rd chapter of 15 pages now. I hope that Oda won't keep forever so little chapters, but yet I didn't feel these like 15, good work.

Actually if you count the double spreads you have @ least 17 pages x) (19 if I'm not mistaken).


It seems that Mihawk wants to question/test Luffy's fate.

He said so himself when he first attacked him x)


C'mon...
I know this is all about saving Ace...
but if WB stops fighting Kizaru (eg) he will jump on Luffy...

So they have to entertain them... the only problem are the two big old dogs!!

Lett them to Luffy.. if it is impossible, he will do the impossible and kick the reason to the curb!
Not with plot kais, nor plot no mi's... but with is small brain...

I can see something like chopper returning and telling PWN goat to bite Sengoku's nuts...
that would be so epic I would piss my pants!
I have a feeling that Garp and Sengoku will fight. Srsl I do. Garp will quit the marines after that.

Either that or he falls asleep on the battlefield and Luffy goes trough him xD

[misterchaos]

I get the feeling that this might be true in a longer perspective. But let us review the possibilities the pirates have to escape each on their own ship, each to their own, chosen destination. What are those chances? Zero. None.
There is is far to few vessels to carry them (we know some got destroyed, we can logically conclude thet most other met this fate too) and far too many groups of interests there:
- WB coalition
- Buggy followers
- Luffy and his revolutionary bodyguards (and Boa as her future as Shichi is done for I guess)
- Croc

This merry bunch along with their wounded and unconscious mates will not have the luxury of an easy bording back on their ships. They will grab whatever is left (is there is anything left) and get as far away as possible. This will provide some explosive mix antagonistic groups being forced to travel together for at least some time - maybe even days, before they can part.
So I guess they will spend some time together and this may give Ace some time to play tutor for Luffy.
But we'll see how the "getting away" part will be resolved by Oda.




I predict that most of the pirates will hide in Capone Bege's Body because of his DF, you heard from me...xD, it will be a great escape..

[mr.danly]

I predict that most of the pirates will hide in Capone Bege's Body because of his DF, you heard from me...xD, it will be a great escape..

LOL as interesting as that would be, we don't really know exactly how Capone's DF works, and I doubt he could hold THAT many pirates in his body. There has to be some kind of limit.

[Bugzee]

It seems that Mihawk wants to question/test Luffy's fate.

Most defintely :thumbs sarutobi_sensei pointed out that Mihawk said that himself when he was fighting Luffy earlier on (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v55/c561/12.html)
...but that wasn't my point, the way which Mihawk just came out of the blue with that attack this chapter was :scry :XD I'm glad it didn't hit Luffy! :amuse


shanks is going to be pissed if he finds out about this. mihawk may be an animal, but i dont think he wants it with red hair.

The previous mentions of those two clashing in the past and the reasons why is the key to the type of relationship they have now imo. I don't think neither of them want to fight against each other at present or in the near future. Here (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/560/16-17/) where Hawk Eyes comments on the fact that he won't hold back against Luffy was interesting...maybe Shanks gave him a word to avoid fighting Luffy if they do meet again but who knows!?

I can't wait for Zoro Vs Mihawk :D


I predict that most of the pirates will hide in Capone Bege's Body because of his DF, you heard from me...xD, it will be a great escape..

:eek DAMN! That is actually a very good theory/idea :thumbs You will deserve the credit if it happens :tem Imagine a mass brawl inside Capone's body :XD Well..only way for that to happen is if lol the supernovas do eventually enter this war...

[Gcat88]

i dont like these short chapters either but it feels much more than what it is. i think that garp wont fight luffy but he wont quit the marines either. he is against pirates. he may let luffy by but there is also sengoku. i doubt hell let this go. i am always curious how they will leave but that is nothing. theres always a way. i wonder where the next adventure will be..if there is one??

[Bugzee]

^ you know what..I wonder what would happen if *by chance* Mr. 3 uses his DF ability to hold off Garp :XD, obviously I think Garp would be able to break through the solidified wax but I'm thinking that he might pretend that his stuck so Luffy could slip right passed him??! :Gaipose

[Gats]

Actually if you count the double spreads you have @ least 17 pages x) (19 if I'm not mistaken).


The double spreads are already counted, it's 15.

[Anakin]

i dont like these short chapters either but it feels much more than what it is. i think that garp wont fight luffy but he wont quit the marines either. he is against pirates. he may let luffy by but there is also sengoku. i doubt hell let this go. i am always curious how they will leave but that is nothing. theres always a way. i wonder where the next adventure will be..if there is one??
Ofcourse Garp will fight Luffy, grow a brain plz, if he doesn't his career is over.

[johnnyb7]

Oh, I like this positive way of thinking....
My thoughts were all heading in the wrong direction...like the uhh, you know, um...Narutocomparisondirection...:o

I couldn't help it I was like "oh no, is this going to be like when Naruto turned out to be blahblahblah or the Sharingan blahblahblahblah...?":darn
Just for a second though. really.

Not that I hate Naruto or anything, just that there are a few things I don't like...but yeah...
I think Oda knows better, knows what he's doing...

Yes, thank you, for clearing my head of evil thoughts...:)

This whole haki thing is interesting though, I just wonder how many people are in the OP world... if the haoushoku haki is one in a million and there are 7 billion people, like on Earth, then there's gotta be like 7000 people who have it...
which is still pretty rare...even if Luffy, Hancock, Whitebeard, Shanks and maybe Garp, Ace, Roger, and Dragon all had it...

I can't stand Naruto anymore, haha. But I'm still iffy on the whole idea of kings haki.... I don't like any idea where the characters are born with natural strength, I think I would have much rather had it be that haki is simply your ambition and Luffy's is much more powerful than anyone elses (being on par with rogers). If a lot of people have it then maybe it'd be alright though, but there HAS to be something else about it, aka Luffy's being stronger because he has a stronger will to fight or something.

Someone commented that Rayleigh would have Kings haki because Shanks has it, since Shanks was a small time pirate on Roger's ship and Rayleigh was second in command. I don't think that means Rayleigh necessarily has it, it just means Roger picked an extremely powerful kid to follow him and his second in command could be naturally powerful too, but not necessarily that powerful (otherwise he may have been on par with Roger, which I doubt).

But the more I think about it, I think I would like the idea of Kings haki more if it was given to more characters, but Luffy's could still be more powerful than theirs. It could be that kings haki wouldn't define someone as pirate king status (that's how I was thinking it) but simply as an extremely powerful person. I wouldn't object to more characters having it including zoro, maybe sanji, kidd, rayleigh, law, others like that.

Having it doesn't make you pirate king status I hope, but simply able to battle with someone of that caliber (even if they were much stronger and would win the fight).

[Bugzee]

I hope Inazuma doesn't get owned in a second by one of the admirals for building that path for Luffy :tem that would suck! :s I really hope we get to see a super Iva & Inazuma combo :XD :Gaipose

Surely, Kuma will still play a role in this war.....:shakefist

[Naruffy]

Ofcourse Garp will fight Luffy, grow a brain plz, if he doesn't his career is over.

Hang on, it's not that simple. Garp is in conflict, that's why it's hard to predict what happens next. I think Garp will attack Luffy, but not all out, look at his face at the end of the chapter, it dosen't look like someone who's willing to attack.

[sarutobi_sensei]

WOW I can't believe I totally forgot about Kuma xD Where the hell is the real one xD

Do you guys/girls x), think that he has already regained consciousness (or better yet, never lost it) and is doing something secretly to help WB? :D

[elitefox]

Hang on, it's not that simple. Garp is in conflict, that's why it's hard to predict what happens next. I think Garp will attack Luffy, but not all out, look at his face at the end of the chapter, it dosen't look like someone who's willing to attack.

I agree...

He said "I am the vice admiral of the marines..."

then next chap we might see "... but you are a family..."

[Antares]

Btw, at least my disappointment in WB lessened a little, knowing that while all the rest of the pirates are attacking alongside Luffy, he alone was holding the two admirals (Akainu and Kizaru) at bay from attacking Luffy. Akainu's location was last seen after striking WB's heart, and Kizaru apparently also. Although these prove of how strong he was, even mortally wounded, didn't get significant scene panels after all. :mad

[Bugzee]

^ I guess now that the focus will be on Luffy getting passed Garp and saving Ace...we'll probably see an emotional curtain call on WB against the admirals :crying :crying :crying its going to be one of those moments like the viking funeral.......

[BlkHorus]

I think what will be interesting to see in the next chapter is how Luffy handles his grandfather standing in the way of him getting to Ace. On top of that, what all the other pirates do to back up luffy who is on the bridge. THe last thing, is what will Luffy do if he does get pass Garp...he still has to handle Sengokou who is right next to Ace. For that reason, I really think that Garp is just saving face and seeing how hard luffy is fighting to get to Ace will probably make his change his mind. I only say that because then he may think about the fact that as strong as his grandson is at this point, he no longer has to fear if he will be strong enough to protect himself against the Marines in the future...therefore Garp will throw away his marine career for family (well its a nice thought I feel...but only Oda knows how it will all go down right now)

[elitefox]

Well then, when the den den video cam online again.... they will declare the defeat of ....

WBWG

[Malefiicus]

I don't think Garp will randomly stop fighting Luffy. But I might have figured it out. Garp won't let him get by, but I could see Sengoku or someone try and finish Ace while Garp is holding Luffy. So then after knocking Luffy down for a second or something, he's on the ground and kinda has to watch as Sengoku or whoever attempts to kill Ace, then Garp stops them and punches Aces towards Luffy or something.

Although the next chapter probably ends with the axe over Aces neck, and the following chapter would be be a little flash back with some Dragon in it, and Garp knocks Ace to Luffy.

At least, that's the only way I would write myself out of this fight.

[LegendWoodsman]

Oda is a master of building plot. Fantastic cliffhanger too.:D

[Syphin]

Woah woah woah! pinch me please, that chapter was awesome.

I was hoping things would turn out like this, but this is more than expected, Luffy has EVERYONE backing him. Dam so cool when Crocodile appeared to take on Mihawk, and Hancock - "LOVE IS ALWAYS A HURRICANE" that was just gold. What Sanji said to Usopp is still echoing in my mind - "I'll do whatever you cannot do. And you do whatever I cannot do!!!" that theme still going on very strong now, incredible.

Was wondering where Inazuma was but hahah, she/he was in Ivankov's hair, that was amusing.

Luffy vs Granpa is going to be such an emotional fight. Garp won't be pulling any punches, as he said he is a Vice-admiral of the Marines. Luffy is outmatched in every aspect except willpower against Garp, someone will have to interfere unless Garp betrays the Marines. This may well be Garp's test for Luffy - one more obstacle (the last?) he has to overcome before the New World. Like Whitebeard, Garp wants to be shown what lies beyond this age, the era Luffy and the other rookies will create. If this is the case than, wow, now that's romantic! Gonna be epic.

Interested to see what Buggy will do now, his like the Usopp, opps mind me, I mean Captain Usopp in this war, the weak character which brings forth a miracle or an opportunity for victory. I can see him distracting Sengoku with Muggy Ball or something. Mr. 3 also hasn't done anything for a while, possible he could mold a key to Ace's locks and have himself or someone else free Ace while Garp and Sengoku distracted =P.

[Mr.Popo]

Hang on, it's not that simple. Garp is in conflict, that's why it's hard to predict what happens next. I think Garp will attack Luffy, but not all out, look at his face at the end of the chapter, it dosen't look like someone who's willing to attack.
Yes, i can agree with that.

But if Garp let's Luffy through, fights Sengoku, or betrays the marines in any other way, then Garp as a character (created by Oda) will be screwed (imo).
It is not a matter of betraying the marines or the WG, it is a matter of betraying justice itself!
Garp is a strong willed D, just like Luffy! If he betrays justice my respect for him will vanish instantly.

Don't forget, the marines are fighting for justice, they are the "good" side.

[Gcat88]

i like the idea that Garp might fight Luffy but wont go all out. of course he wont just let him pass but Garp values family a lot and right now he doesnt know what to do.

[frontaLobotomy]

If Luffy tries to fight Garp, he will get beat down. What he needs is a diversion. As his allies are a big distance from him I'm wondering where it'll come from. Maybe Ace will say something about wanting to live. Life is a big theme in Luffy's adventures, it wouldn't suprise me if something like this were to happen. I'm not usually big on predictions, but I'll throw something in there as we only have a few days before new spoilers are out:
- Flashback of some sort, Garp/Dadan maybe talking to Ace and Luffy about Haoushoku cryptically. Luffy asking why Garp can hurt him if he's rubber perhaps?
- Ace says something that leaves Garp dumbstruck, giving Luffy a chance to run by
- Luffy gets to the platform and unshackles one cuff before Akainu attacks him
- Ace, having been handed the key was able to unshackle the other during the chaos and blocks Akainu from finishing Luffy off, kickstarting the endgame of this war.

I would prefer it is someone already at the battle has a say in the final stage of the war instead of Shanks or Dragon showing up. Sengoku won't need to fight, and I doubt he will unless Teach shows up to cause trouble, as dealing with rogue Shichibukai falls under his duties I would imagine (as they are appointed by the Garousei). The prediction is fairly vague, and maybe too quick in terms of my looking to wind this Arc down. I do wonder if Ace were to be unshackled would he be able to fight at full strength from the off? His lifeforce on the vivrecard was pretty low, but that may be the seastone.

[Jet_Alone]

Yes, i can agree with that.

But if Garp let's Luffy through, fights Sengoku, or betrays the marines in any other way, then Garp as a character (created by Oda) will be screwed (imo).
It is not a matter of betraying the marines or the WG, it is a matter of betraying justice itself!
Garp is a strong willed D, just like Luffy! If he betrays justice my respect for him will vanish instantly.

Don't forget, the marines are fighting for justice, they are the "good" side.

Ace is gonna be executed not because he is a pirate but because he is the son of GR.
Garp was ordered by the goverment to found and kill him when he was a baby. And he refused to do that because he thoght that a child should not bear the crimes from its father.
Garp still believes in this, he knows that the execution is just a way to end GR legacy. This is not about justice or pirates, no way Garp is gonna let them do what he didn't let them do in the past.

[Bugzee]

There's always a possiblity that the person who opened the gates of justice will interrupt the fight between Garp & Luffy :D.. I don't know about you guys but I'm dying to bloody find out who actually opened the gates :shakefist

It could.....POSSIBLY...be Dadan??? :blink

:XD

[urlaub]

I agree that it is probably not Dadan.

But I agree that the one who opened the gates is revealed during this war. Would be very foolish for Oda to leave it aside like a no biggie. And one day saying in the BSB that aaahh..you guessed correct, it was the..... . And those answers are always stupid and funny.

What are the possibilities anyways. I guess that has been already discussed to pieces. A traitor or a WB pirate or a third faction. I once predicted that it was Dragon, because he could have made something with the air that pushes the pettals and stuff or whatever.

[Romanov D Paul]

Who knows about him... I guess he's sunbathing in Fushia village, far from this big mess up... :D. By the way, I'm sure it as already been discussed for an age, but I missed it, and I'm too lazy to search among the posts... Is the traslation on mangashare accurate when it comes to WB and RH both having king's disposition? As someone already pointed out, it would be a significant detail.

[Gcat88]

the person who opened the gates will be shown, when is the question. now would be a good time.

[Mr.Popo]

Ace is gonna be executed not because he is a pirate but because he is the son of GR.
Garp was ordered by the goverment to found and kill him when he was a baby. And he refused to do that because he thoght that a child should not bear the crimes from its father.
Garp still believes in this, he knows that the execution is just a way to end GR legacy. This is not about justice or pirates, no way Garp is gonna let them do what he didn't let them do in the past.
Wrong (ok...not totally).
I say Garp is fighting for justice and NOT for the marines.
You are right, he did defy orders from the WG and instead followed his way of justice.

And you are probably right that the main reason for this execution is to kill Roger's legacy, or to lure WB into a trap and kill the strongest pirate.
BUT... still Ace IS A PIRATE!
He acted against justice and must be punished! It is not wrong to execute him, even if Garp doesn't want it to happen. He has no choice.

He tried to save Ace (and Luffy), but failed miserably when each of them chose to become a pirate.
That's what he told Ace and Sengoku, imo. See here (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/556/15/).

[RichardMNixon]

Is the traslation on mangashare accurate when it comes to WB and RH both having king's disposition? As someone already pointed out, it would be a significant detail.

I haven't seen it or anything like it in any scanlation I've read.

[Razh]

I haven't seen it or anything like it in any scanlation I've read.

This is the only translation I've seen it in.
http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/18949

[goldb]

That was the 2nd one I saw; the translation from the Mangastream scans didn't mention WB and Shanks having the haoushoku haki, so before cnet's translation came out and everyone was talking about it; I didn't understand where they got it form.

[deffkryz]

Is the traslation on mangashare accurate when it comes to WB and RH both having king's disposition? As someone already pointed out, it would be a significant detail.

In the RAW the sentence to translate would be "オヤジや赤髪と同じ"覇王色"の覇気！！ (http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/69767/2)" ("Oyaji ya Akagami to onaji 'Haoushoku' no Haki!!"). I don't get why that "Oyaji ya Akagami to onaji" part is missing in some scans (esp. Mangastream, Vizard Scanlations) since it's not that of complicated Japanese to translate, saying "The same as Pops and Red-Hair"...

[Twar]

Yeah, I was also wondering about why some of the scans didn't contain that part at all, although it was clearly visible on the RAW. This is the sentence that IMO clears up a lot of smoke around Shanks' Haki, even if coming from a random WB pirate.

[chess4]

man i cant wait to see shanks in action. im sure he is a beast. so know we have luffy, ace, garp, and sengoku. everyone else is fighting each other. luffy cant beat either sengoku or garp. lets say for arguement sake that rayleigh or dadan arrives to face garp. luffy still has to battle sengoku, and that is definitely a no go.

i think luffy is going to fight with garp a bit, and in a tear filled speech convince garp to let him by. garp knowing luffy has no chance against sengoku, he will hold sengoku off, while luffy releases ace, then the real show will begin.

thing is what will happen to garp. he mat escape and join his son

[Bugzee]

^ I can actually imagine Luffy cry out towards Garp to let him through :crying I hope Garp gets the bloody message and realises that his family's safety is the no. 1 priority :thumbs no matter what :noworry

Garp will defintely teach Luffy something really important before this war ends :) I still don't know for sure who will keep Sengoku busy...I really am hoping that we actually witness a Garp Vs Sengoku fight :nuts

[chess4]

were te hell is rayleigh? he has to show up

[Lord Rayleigh]

^ you know what..I wonder what would happen if *by chance* Mr. 3 uses his DF ability to hold off Garp :XD, obviously I think Garp would be able to break through the solidified wax but I'm thinking that he might pretend that his stuck so Luffy could slip right passed him??! :Gaipose

Hang on, it's not that simple. Garp is in conflict, that's why it's hard to predict what happens next. I think Garp will attack Luffy, but not all out, look at his face at the end of the chapter, it dosen't look like someone who's willing to attack.

Garp looking for a way to let Luffy pass without losing his VA status, Garp not fighting Luffy for real because of feelings, Garp saving Luffy from Sengoku etc ... I'm sorry to say that but that's the worst predictions I've read for a long time.

Garp is obviously willing to stop Luffy : that's the exact reason why he moved from his seat. Some chapters ago, Garp said himself that he will not let anyone coming at the platform, that the pirates will have to kill him in order to get there. Garp obviously meant what he said, he is not faking anything and he has already proved it : he stopped the two pirates that tried to come onto the platform (and if it was not for Crocodile, Ace would have died as Garp punched Marco away).

About the last picture of the new chapter, we can clearly see that Garp wants to beat Luffy. That's not showing he's in conflict at all. That's the contrary, it only shows that Garp is determined to put an end to Luffy's doing : " I won't move ! I'm a Marine Headquarters' Vice-Admiral ! "
I think you guys don't accept it because you think that Garp will never want to kill his grandson. To me, Garp will never accept to kill a defeated Luffy. After all, Garp already tried to kill Luffy and his crew in W7 with his supergiant ball and chain.

Sengoku ordering him to kill a defeated man is what could make him change his mind, especially when the defeated man is his grandson. That kind of job is not for marines but for executioners, as we can see it with Ace (and as we have seen it with Gold Roger).

Anyway, in the next chapter, as I've said, he will simply do what he has to do since a long time : to take responsability for his grandson's actions i.e. to beat and arrest him.
Nobody should be surprised, all that has been foreshadowed since a long time : it began at W7 and it continued with all the following arcs : TB, SA, ID (the scenes with Sengoku, the few words of Fushia Town's mayor).

[shluffy]

i dont think any1s gnna show up. i jus cant make out wat garp is gnna do tho. family or work? its such a tough decision. i wonder what oda will do.

[Marche]

I think that Garp won't betray the marines, JHe will let pass only Rufy (for his choice or because He will be forced (I hope in the first hypothesis)), but anyways he will fight against the other pirates (Garp again will repeat the sentence "With the family it is different").
Probably He will let pass Rufy if He will see the determination of Rufy, ready to face him risking his life.
Could be that Garp through flashback remember the times in which Rufy when it was a child loses his vitality wth him (as in Water 7).
Or could there be a scene similar to the image of page 14 of the chapter 556, which Garp will strike Rufy and Ace will shout "don't touch Rufy". Also Hancock could to howl using the Haki of the king, as Rufy made in the chapter 569, revealing so to all of her betrayal.

If Garp won't make to pass Rufy for his choice, could happen that Iva and/or Inazuma will help Rufy.
Also Squardo could came, so it will be Garp against Squardo, the man that caused this war (saving Ace when he was an infant) against the man that for a little bit didn't make to end this war.
Also Buggy could intervene, perhaps He will distract Garp, so Rufy will pass (however He could intervene with Sengoku, or perhaps He will take the key from Rufy and with his hand, he will reach the handcuffs and so He will free Ace (I believe that with the rest of the body He will distract Sengoku, together with Rufy)).
Perhaps also Marco will intervene, if He will be freed by Mister 3, probably on Sengoku.
If then Hancock will have already ended the clash with Sentomaru (always if there will be)... She could launch her arrows of love to Sengoku, petrifying him (because it won't have the time to hurt himself) or however it will distract him.
In truth I believe that the one or the people who will stop Sengoku will be the men/mens who have opened the door of the justice.

If has been Dragon the one who opened the "Door of justice", I hope that He will intervene on Sengoku, launching him a lightning (in fact I believe that Dragon has eaten the DF "storm storm", a Rogia fruits, but as that of Teach (in fact I believe that He centers with the lightning that stopped the execution of Rufy in RG and also with the gust of wind that saved the pirates from Smoker and from the net (Buggy/Albida))) or stopping Sengoku or also Garp as He doing with Smoker.
Obviously the man that has opened the door of the justice will arrive from behind the gibbet.

If instead we will discover that Rayleigh opened the door of the justice, could happen the one who will save Rufy from Garp is the woman of the cafe of Shabondy (because She will came with Rayleigh).
I believe this also because She knows Garp (according to me its weapon will be similar to that of Albida).
I would like that while the woman will hold busy Garp, Raileigh arrives and from behind He will daggers Sengoku.

Anyways I believe that the one or those people who have opened the door will have an explanation for the fact that They aren't already shown.
I think that they haven't shown for the following reason:
1) To wait for reinforcements (for Dragon the revolutionary ones with Robin, but perhaps also Shanks or Kaidoh).
2) To go to take reinforcements (Raileigh with Shanks and Kaidoh (because He have learned it by Kuma (before of his change) or by Dragon), if They will climb the red line and They won't arrive from the island of the men fish).
3) To go to Mariejoa for execute of the Tenryuubito and the 5 Gorosei (perhaps this job will be done by Shanks or Kaidoh their arriving).
4) To go to Mariejoa to take or to make build Vegapunk a device to make to return Kuma as was (I believe that the other Px will be destroyed).
In fact I believe that Kuma has become a cyborg on order of Dragon, in fact I am sure that Dragon is certain to make return Kuma as it was (even thanks to a DF of his submitted or perhaps because He has convinced VP to betray the WG (perhaps Vegapunk already from the beginning was a revolutionary (without Iva knew it, because perhaps He has become a rivoluzionary after the Iva's capturing) or also If VP was tired to build weapons and wants to build things for the sake of people.
Perhaps the contact between Dragon and VP was made before the begin of the Kuma's transformation)).

Excuse me if I have made some errors, but I am not very good in English, I hope however that everything is clear.

[tako-san]

remember bon-chan?? yes he left the picture a while ago after disguising himself as Magellan.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/548/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/548/11/
he is the one who ordered the opening of the gates of justice. and then the real magellan came in and the last we saw of bon chan was that he was about to fight magellan.
WELL! maybe bon clay is going to make a miraculous return soonish?? cause i beleive oda said himself that he wasnt a huge fan of killing off characters. so he may still be alive. maybe bon chan might enter and do something super awsome to help out luffy in some way?

[ScratchmenApoo]

^ Bon-Chan's 'last speech' was too great, he won't be returning to the scene in a long time. I am pretty sure however, that we will soon learn what is going on in Impel Down with Blackbeard & Magellan both.

[johnnyb7]

remember bon-chan?? yes he left the picture a while ago after disguising himself as Magellan.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/548/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/548/11/
he is the one who ordered the opening of the gates of justice. and then the real magellan came in and the last we saw of bon chan was that he was about to fight magellan.
WELL! maybe bon clay is going to make a miraculous return soonish?? cause i beleive oda said himself that he wasnt a huge fan of killing off characters. so he may still be alive. maybe bon chan might enter and do something super awsome to help out luffy in some way?

I know that Oda isn't a fan of killing off characters, but there is a limit to how you can keep characters alive within certain storylines. I hope bon chan is still alive, but if he is he's absolutely not going to be a part of the current storyline anymore. Sorry but that's just a bit ridiculous.

What annoys me currently with one piece is that the chapters are only about 14 pages each..... and they're every other week.... come on Oda, throw us a bone.

[deffkryz]

WELL! maybe bon clay is going to make a miraculous return soonish?? cause i beleive oda said himself that he wasnt a huge fan of killing off characters. so he may still be alive. maybe bon chan might enter and do something super awsome to help out luffy in some way?

He's alive for sure! 120%! Don't forget Shiryuu is still there to turn back on Magellan. So basically I think Blackbeard and Shiryuu may save him accidentally. I can even see Blackbeard and the "Okama prince" escape together from ID... But I don't think he'll show up in Marineford since I don't expect Blackbeard to show up either.
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What annoys me currently with one piece is that the chapters are only about 14 pages each..... and they're every other week.... come on Oda, throw us a bone.

We had Chapter 0 and another chapter some weeks ago... Already forgot? That were more than 30 pages in one issue.

[johnnyb7]

He's alive for sure! 120%! Don't forget Shiryuu is still there to turn back on Magellan. So basically I think Blackbeard and Shiryuu may save him accidentally. I can even see Blackbeard and the "Okama prince" escape together from ID... But I don't think he'll show up in Marineford since I don't expect Blackbeard to show up either.
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We had Chapter 0 and another chapter some weeks ago... Already forgot? That were more than 30 pages in one issue.

Yeah we had chapter 0 which was very cool, agreed, but that was in the beginning of December. I'm not saying I don't like the chapters, I'm just saying that I haven't liked how the chapters have been really short recently and have been every other week.

I think Garp is going to fight Luffy, and Luffy won't stand a chance, but I think later on Garp will step have a change in heart and either let them save Ace or step forward to save him himself (and lose his marine status).
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But I think there's a strong possibility that Blackbeard will show up too. He may be the one to finish whitebeard off.

[deffkryz]

Yeah we had chapter 0 which was very cool, agreed, but that was in the beginning of December. I'm not saying I don't like the chapters, I'm just saying that I haven't liked how the chapters have been really short recently and have been every other week.

Oh, and that's what it means to be a grateful fan... :oh

He gave us once 39 pages at once, worked out a great movie, still publishes chapters every week with no breaks besides the magazine's ones, OP had three Jump covers and one color spread within the last two and a half months - but 15 pages in each of the last chapters are still not enough... *sigh*

Other "top mangaka" filled more than 15 pages for each of their last three chapters - and made much less progress in their stories, even pulled one plothole after the other one.

[richeales]

i recon: garp defeats luffy, instead of killing him arresting him. meanwhile buggys managed to sneak ace off the platform. whitebeard dies, maybe taking an admiral with him

[Vizard5]

i agree no1 have any reason to complain at all. no need to be greedy. at the berserk forum they are waiting patiently and are always greatfull when a new chapter comes, and dosen't complain, and there is only about 10 comming out each year as of late..

and as deffkryz said one piece still makes alot of progress, 1 one piece chapter equals 2-3 naruto chapter and 7 bleach chapters, so i see no reason for whining..

[johnnyb7]

Oh, and that's what it means to be a grateful fan... :oh

He gave us once 39 pages at once, worked out a great movie, still publishes chapters every week with no breaks besides the magazine's ones, OP had three Jump covers and one color spread within the last two and a half months - but 15 pages in each of the last chapters are still not enough... *sigh*

Other "top mangaka" filled more than 15 pages for each of their last three chapters - and made much less progress in their stories, even pulled one plothole after the other one.

Hey man come on don't tell me i'm not a grateful fan, i just love the manga and am anxious for more of it to read. Don't tell me you aren't anxious for more of it to read too.

That's true that there have been one plothole after another, so I suppose that is why the chapters have been so short, that makes sense.

I think that Blackbeard is going to show up and defeat a ton of the pirates by himself, and I think he may take whitebeard down himself too.
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1 one piece chapter equals 2-3 naruto chapter and 7 bleach chapters, so i see no reason for whining..

lol, that is very true, a very good point to make indeed

[Gcat88]

OP is one of the series that takes the least breaks of ALL series. on top of that it has good chapters. i am a very grateful fan.

about Bon-Clay, he is alive. i dont think he will show up again, and IF he does it will be YEARS from now or when SH and BB faceoff. he is one of the few characters that had the most PERFECT goodbye EVER!!!! the thing im most looking foreward to is what is Garp going to do. one day down six to go!!!!:D

[Super Angillis]

Wrong (ok...not totally).
I say Garp is fighting for justice and NOT for the marines.
You are right, he did defy orders from the WG and instead followed his way of justice.

And you are probably right that the main reason for this execution is to kill Roger's legacy, or to lure WB into a trap and kill the strongest pirate.
BUT... still Ace IS A PIRATE!
He acted against justice and must be punished! It is not wrong to execute him, even if Garp doesn't want it to happen. He has no choice.

He tried to save Ace (and Luffy), but failed miserably when each of them chose to become a pirate.
That's what he told Ace and Sengoku, imo. See here (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/556/15/).

The thing, is just what has Ace done that warrents death? So far as we know, he went to sea, and flew a flag with a skull and crossbones, and so far as we know everyone he got into a fight with was a pirate as well. Now compare that to the shit the Tenryubito do, and are enabled to do by the Marines. Does that seem very just? That's something the marines who are belivers in Moral Justice are going to have to adress at some point. They are allowing true injustice. Also Ace is a follower of Whitebeard. And while we've never seen Whitebeard speak of justice, he is a big believer in Morality.

[Gcat88]

Oda does this to show us the real world government, i believe. we arrest thieves but we then have politcians that steal millions of dollars in power.

[deffkryz]

Hey man come on don't tell me i'm not a grateful fan, i just love the manga and am anxious for more of it to read. Don't tell me you aren't anxious for more of it to read too.

It's not a question of being "anxious to read". It's about to be patient and full of respect for the author's life beyond the manga we're "anxious to read". Especially, when we get the (recent) chapters without paying (at first).



That's true that there have been one plothole after another, so I suppose that is why the chapters have been so short, that makes sense.


In One Piece? None so far. The story facettes stop for some time, but everything so far was being explained.



I think that Blackbeard is going to show up and defeat a ton of the pirates by himself, and I think he may take whitebeard down himself too.


Now that would be coming out of a plothole.


The thing, is just what has Ace done that warrents death? So far as we know, he went to sea, and flew a flag with a skull and crossbones, and so far as we know everyone he got into a fight with was a pirate as well. Now compare that to the shit the Tenryubito do, and are enabled to do by the Marines. Does that seem very just? That's something the marines who are belivers in Moral Justice are going to have to adress at some point. They are allowing true injustice. Also Ace is a follower of Whitebeard. And while we've never seen Whitebeard speak of justice, he is a big believer in Morality.

Since the WG and the Marines are enforcing their laws, everyone that doesn't follow their laws is a criminal. Piracy is to the WG nothing but a danger to their power and wealth - and that's why pirates have to die in the end (from their POV).

[Mr.Popo]

one piece still makes alot of progress, 1 one piece chapter equals 2-3 naruto chapter and 7 bleach chapters, so i see no reason for whining..
Currently there is no progress at all. The situation is still the same as at the beginning of the war. All major characters are alive and it is just as impossible to win for the pirates now as at the beginning.
But is was entertaining and full of information, something that is missing in Bleach (I stopped reading Naruto).



The thing, is just what has Ace done that warrents death? So far as we know, he went to sea, and flew a flag with a skull and crossbones, and so far as we know everyone he got into a fight with was a pirate as well. Now compare that to the shit the Tenryubito do, and are enabled to do by the Marines. Does that seem very just? That's something the marines who are belivers in Moral Justice are going to have to adress at some point. They are allowing true injustice. Also Ace is a follower of Whitebeard. And while we've never seen Whitebeard speak of justice, he is a big believer in Morality.
Let me say one thing: One Piece is very well written!
That means there is no such thing as pure good and evil.
The marines are "good" they defend the innocent people against pirates and other criminals. The pirates are "evil", they steal and kill and people fear them. Hanyabal made a touching speech about this (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/543/14-15/). So the mere existence of a pirate can be seen as a crime.

In both groups are good and bad exceptions.
Garp refused to be promoted to an admiral; why? There might be duties he can't accept, like defending those tenryuubitos.
Garp seems like a man who chose to be a marine to help and protect people.
Luffy chose to be a pirate to not protect and help people, he instead likes to be free, like a selfish little bastard.
And WB is probably not that nice to everyone: "rage across the seas" (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/525/03/).

You are right with everything you said, but something like good! and evil! does not exit in real live and not in One Piece either.

[LongLiveOnePiece]

It'll be interesting to see at a later stage wherever it will be revealed if Ace possesses a type of haki!

- He might eventually discover a type of haki within him later on...
- He may already possess a different type of haki lol...

or...he might actually possess the Haōshoku Haki but hasn't awakend it as of yet :D

Wouldn't it be fricking awesome if he did awaken it against BB (round 2 rematch :D)

Well, anyway I'm sure Ace has a fearsome type of haki residing inside him! He is Roger's son afterall and it would suck if he didn't possess any form of haki at all imo.

aloha Jinbei.i dont think there will be a rematch.dont forget that Blackbeard's ass is propably-hopefully saved for luffy. xD

[mr.danly]

Currently there is no progress at all. The situation is still the same as at the beginning of the war. All major characters are alive and it is just as impossible to win for the pirates now as at the beginning.
But is was entertaining and full of information, something that is missing in Bleach (I stopped reading Naruto).



Let me say one thing: One Piece is very well written!
That means there is no such thing as pure good and evil.
The marines are "good" they defend the innocent people against pirates and other criminals. The pirates are "evil", they steal and kill and people fear them. Hanyabal made a touching speech about this (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/543/14-15/). So the mere existence of a pirate can be seen as a crime.

In both groups are good and bad exceptions.
Garp refused to be promoted to an admiral; why? There might be duties he can't accept, like defending those tenryuubitos.
Garp seems like a man who chose to be a marine to help and protect people.
Luffy chose to be a pirate to not protect and help people, he instead likes to be free, like a selfish little bastard.
And WB is probably not that nice to everyone: "rage across the seas" (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/525/03/).

You are right with everything you said, but something like good! and evil! does not exit in real live and not in One Piece either.

agreed. Very good post; I completely agree. In real life and in One Piece, there are no clear-cut definitions of good and bad. Not all pirates are good, not all marines are bad. Some pirates are honorable, such as Luffy and Whitebeard. Other pirates are cheating, lying, pillaging scumbags that do indeed need to be stopped. It is for this reason that the marines exist, and it is for this reason that the marines number so greatly. The great majority of marines, in my opinion, joined for the purpose of upholding justice in the world. Most of them probably started out similarly to Koby; innocent children who looked up to the marines as a source of inspiration and bravery. However, as we know, at the top of the marines organization, there are a great number of marines that, while not necessarily evil, are willing to do evil and inhumane things to uphold "justice."

[johnnyb7]

In One Piece? None so far. The story facettes stop for some time, but everything so far was being explained.



Sorry I meant plot twists/plot development, not holes. Didn't mean that at all. The storyline has been extremely filled with amazing battles and whatnot so I can understand why Oda has been making the chapters around 14 pages instead of 20.
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agreed. Very good post; I completely agree. In real life and in One Piece, there are no clear-cut definitions of good and bad. Not all pirates are good, not all marines are bad. Some pirates are honorable, such as Luffy and Whitebeard. Other pirates are cheating, lying, pillaging scumbags that do indeed need to be stopped. It is for this reason that the marines exist, and it is for this reason that the marines number so greatly. The great majority of marines, in my opinion, joined for the purpose of upholding justice in the world. Most of them probably started out similarly to Koby; innocent children who looked up to the marines as a source of inspiration and bravery. However, as we know, at the top of the marines organization, there are a great number of marines that, while not necessarily evil, are willing to do evil and inhumane things to uphold "justice."

Your post was a very good one as well. The marines are very much so needed in the world of one piece, as without them the world would plummet into chaos. As Mr. Popo said Hanyabal gave a very good speech about it. The world needs the marines to protect the innocent from pirates/anyone who falls off a good path and threatens to harm those innocent. At the same time, no matter how powerful the marines are there will always be people who oppose them (pirates/revolutionaries...). Because of this I don't think this war will mark a significant shift in the balance of power of the world. I'm well aware that Oda said whoever wins or loses the battle, a new era would dawn http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/18-19/ but I think that new era will be a reference to Luffy and the other supernova's in the new world striving to find one piece and become the future pirate king. It will mark the end of Whitebeard's (as well as the rest of the old timers such as Garp, Roger and whatnot) era and the beginning of the new generation of pirates.

My prediction is that by the end of this battle, no admirals will be wiped out, Whitebeard will be deceased, his top men (Marco, Jozu) will be out of the picture (in impel down or deceased), and I think Garp will lose his seat as a Vice-Admiral because I think he will try to help save Ace in the end (I think in the next chapter he will fight Luffy. I don't think Hancock or Blackbeard will lose their status as a shichibukai (I don't think Blackbeard's will be revoked because the WG won't want to shift the balance of power too much, or I think he may still show up in the battle).

I think with the conclusion of this war Luffy will save Ace, but will be knocked completely out, and pummeled into oblivion and be saved himself perhaps by Rayleigh who may show up and get Luffy and Ace to safety.

After this Arc I think Luffy may be out for the count for his crews adventure on fishman island and I think Ace will leave Luffy and his crew to try to live in peace. I think the WG will focus more on Luffy rather than Ace, viewing Luffy as more of a threat to the world.

[shk1020]

my prediction: someone will interupt the luffy vs garp fight...not too long after it starts. (im hopeful that it will be Dragon himself). and as soon as luffy reaches the top (right in front of Ace), sengoku will show his DF powers...which will be something that rivals luffy's rubber power.

for example, if luffy had ace's DF power (fire) then sengoku would have water.

i cant think of what is the opposite of rubber...hehe :p

what do u guys think?

[Super Angillis]

The thing is that right now a lot of the WG upper echilons need reform. The Tenryubito need to be Held to the same laws as everyone else, the five stars need to be replaced by someone who won't pull shit like Ohara, and the Marines need the absolute justice guys to be told, that no, you do not act for justice when you blow up the evacuation ship, or kill pregnant women and unborn children because the father was a famous criminal. I'd consider the marines a lot more just if someone like Aokiji or Smokers sense of justice was held by more of the top brass.
Edit- Oh and let me say I am so looking forward to the day we learn just what made Dragon start his revolution.

[Finale]

Too bad Bonney wasnt present to turn WB young again so he could lay waste to everyone. But I'm glad to see the NW captains doing something. Here's hoping that we get to see Sengoku in action soon.

[Katz]

^that'd be pretty damn pwn, I'm rofl if that comes to fruition.

Only problem with that is we havent seen yet if she can fully control the age of the person she's changing, so far we've see her change ppl to toddlers and old men.....a chibi WB while pwn looking wouldn't be much help in the current situation, but if she could make him like 30-40 (dont know WB's age, sue me) than that'd be the one of the most powerful moves in the war....a prime WB....war over

[caleshious]

Garp is probably gonna put the smackdown on Luffy, but Boa will interfere once again, up on the podium where everyone can see, bye bye Shichibukai status!

[Bugzee]

^ haha Boa against Garp would actually be funny. I don't think they would exchange physical blows but I can see her lol holding Garp off while Luffy goes up to the platform.

It's going to be interesting what happens to both Amazon Lily & Mermaid Island after this war! Thats for sure! :)

[jiminy]

Im interested in what Garp is exactly going to do. He looks conflicted in the last picture. Anything can happen.

Some of the other shichibukai's have also been missing from the panels (mainly Kuma and Moria). Itd be interesting to see them interfere. Maybe Kuma wasn't brainwashed and will distract Garp somehow to let Luffy pass.

Problem still lies with Sengoku. He is still full of energy and prepared to fight. Luffy can't take him down for sure, so something needs to happen (self sacrifice of Garp, pinning down Sengoku so that Luffy can uncuff Ace, going with the theme of the new era/age).

Or Sengoku gives Luffy a condition, if he can free Ace from the cuffs, he is free to go, then voila, pops out the key that Hancock gave Luffy. (kind of anti-climatic though)

[Jayden_kropp]

Oda does this to show us the real world government, i believe. we arrest thieves but we then have politcians that steal millions of dollars in power.

So true. I do believe however that most people who use this forum would not know of the poetic injustice that is any government. Like you said, governments use and abuse billions of dollars of tax-payers money on themselves and stupid non progressive ideas like giving themselves pay rises when they are already on tripple what the ordinary family earns.

This is very similar to the way Marine Headquarters has control over all the land. They dictate rules, enslave innocent people and in the progress make millions of innocent people, (good reference is the bridge they are building). Whitebeard has to and WILL loose this war. Everything is leading up to SOMEBODY becoming the new pirate king in which many pirate ships will fight for the reign of the see. This is not all that will happen with the death of the Whitebeard pirates. The revolutionaries will eventually challange the WG for the leadership of the world and expose the WG for just who they are

[mateltoy]

I find myself completly puzzled...

If Dragon is suposedly a very, very powerfull warrior, and the marines are most of the time busy fighting Pirates and keeping order in the sea...

¿WHO THE FUCK IS HOLDING DRAGON BACK?

The only hint we have of his powers (altough its not clear it was his doing), is that hes kind of a wind-man or something... so lets guess hes a Fruit User, wouldnt Dragon be a bigger threat to the marines since hes actually in war with the world goverment and is pushing them actively on the battlefield to conquer islands?

There's got to be another great power besides the Marines... probably something to do with the World's Goverment.

[Gcat88]

@Jayden. Thank you, someone who is intune with the world politics. Oda does this a lot in the series, uses the series to show us real life stuff. i dont think whitebeard will die. if anything he might retire, but die i truly dont think so. remember he has a ton of divisions, what will happen with them afterwards. will ace become captain, will it be marco or maybe someone else?? However the battle for the NEW worlds strongest i agree with. Remember as of right now there is no Pirate King, only a worlds strongest pirate.
@mateltoy Dragon is not being held back. remember he is a revolutionary, that doesnt mean go to every island and destroy it. he wants to create a revolution and maybe a new order. its like a civil war, you dont destroy the towns you try to convince them to go on your side. i believe dragon is doing that, but destroying marine ships and killing a couple of people may be required.

[Jadedmariner]

I find myself completly puzzled...

If Dragon is suposedly a very, very powerfull warrior, and the marines are most of the time busy fighting Pirates and keeping order in the sea...

¿WHO THE FUCK IS HOLDING DRAGON BACK?

The only hint we have of his powers (altough its not clear it was his doing), is that hes kind of a wind-man or something... so lets guess hes a Fruit User, wouldnt Dragon be a bigger threat to the marines since hes actually in war with the world goverment and is pushing them actively on the battlefield to conquer islands?

There's got to be another great power besides the Marines... probably something to do with the World's Goverment.

Dragon could be at war with the Gorousei directly.

[Pride~]

I wouldn´t interfere in the war between the Marines and WB if I were Dragon. I would wait until the war is over. Then I would attack the weakened Marines/World Government.

[shk1020]

I wouldn´t interfere in the war between the Marines and WB if I were Dragon. I would wait until the war is over. Then I would attack the weakened Marines/World Government.

that would put luffys life in danger. it would be awesome if he (and his crew) came. two things would happen:

1. dragon meets up with his old buddies.
2. dragon can go head on against garp/sengoku.

[Super Angillis]

^ haha Boa against Garp would actually be funny. I don't think they would exchange physical blows but I can see her lol holding Garp off while Luffy goes up to the platform.

It's going to be interesting what happens to both Amazon Lily & Mermaid Island after this war! Thats for sure! :)

Yeah, Hancock vs Garp could be hilarious. I can see Hancock jumping in and saying something like "I don't care if you are his grandfather, I won't forgive anyone who threatens the man I love!" And garp would be all laugthing and "Alright Luffy! What a catch! So whens the wedding?" And Hancock would get all flustered at the word wedding and faint.

[Wowzers]

I find myself completly puzzled...

If Dragon is suposedly a very, very powerfull warrior, and the marines are most of the time busy fighting Pirates and keeping order in the sea...

¿WHO THE FUCK IS HOLDING DRAGON BACK?

The only hint we have of his powers (altough its not clear it was his doing), is that hes kind of a wind-man or something... so lets guess hes a Fruit User, wouldnt Dragon be a bigger threat to the marines since hes actually in war with the world goverment and is pushing them actively on the battlefield to conquer islands?

There's got to be another great power besides the Marines... probably something to do with the World's Goverment.


Dragon could be at war with the Gorousei directly.

Well, I think the Marines are only a threat to the Rebellion mostly when they are going from island to island. When they are on the island the main threat is the native military forces. For example, Alabasta had forces in the millions and some of their elites had df powers too. Individually, they weren't that strong but if you have to fight forces counting in the millions, it'll take a while and they might just overwhelm you with sheer numbers. In this context, the marines might loan out a few elites to help defend the island and suppliment the native forces. Those elites won't be available at this time of course.

I think by far, the Rebellion would be better served by taking out a few key strategic marine bases that have been stripped of their key fighters. The Rebellion could also wait till the fighting is over at marine hq and then detonate a large explosive device, kind of like what Croc wanted to do at Alabasta and take out many of the forces still there. They wouldn't have to have an entire army at Marine HQ to do that option. They might not even have to ship in the explosives as Marine HQ would have lots already, just set fire to one or more armories and run!

If the person who opened the Gates of Justice is the one who was sent in to do this, they probably wouldn't be making an appearance at this time as they will be traveling the back streets, setting explosives, freeing prisoners, poisoning the water supplies, etc...

In a few chapters, they might make a dramatic appearance just before the explosives go off to collect Ivankov and Inazuma though! :D

[jiminy]

on the revolutionary topic (even though it is off topic), I think that it takes time because the revolutionaries have to liberate the islands that they occupy and set free from the World Government. If they just went in and destroy the authority figure, that does not accomplish anything.

I had this thought, about what Blackbeard said. What if his plan was to make a hole /opening in the red line? The opening to the redline would mean easier travel for everyone to get into or out of the new world. (though this thought would mean there is less of a chance of a Fishmen Island arc, and Ive been looking forward to this one)

[johnnyb7]

My guess is that Dragon has a air type logia devil fruit.

[shk1020]

My guess is that Dragon has a air type logia devil fruit.

3) Suddenly zoro jumps out of nowhere, breaks Sengoku's neck, and drinks his blood

HAHA!!! I really hope he shows up this next chapter. What are the chances that shanks will show up? just as white beard dies, shanks showing up would be epic...i would like to see sengoku's face at that point.:D

[Gcat88]

he might have another type of fruit, like a mythical fruit but can use certain elements that are tied with it. AWESOME SIGNATURE!!!

[dav4488]

Well hello to all, i'm a mangahelpers users for so much long time and an active reader of this forum in one-piece for a bit long, but never registered before and now i'm doing it.

Well it's interesting to see so much speculations, especialy after this chapter out. There has been told a lot about what may be happen, but Oda will make anything, and most of the times it cannot be predicted.

The thing that will happen for sure is that luffy will be alive, ace aswell and some "minority" changes about the war aswell. Like the possibility of wb being dead (that must happen for sure ;) ). The part in wich I'm almost sure of is this one:
- after the war being held, luffy will pass out ~ there is no possibility that the sh's crew will come at marineford, and so luffy will be taken from ivankov probably to the revolutionary headquarter. By such i mean that surely someone from the revolutionary army will come for sure at marineford to pick up ivankov and inozuma because they are a big headseat for them, especially now because they broke out. Luffy will be then be awaken and we'll see then finaly some new story about dragon and the revolutionary and so on. That's my prediction XD

Another part of it would be that raylegh will come, and that's the most probably version of it, and luffy may go with him aswell. But for certain the sh's won't reunite for a bit longer. They will all be reunited at the location where kuma sen't them off :P

I hope that luffy will go with ivankov rather then the later option... But who knows, everything is possible in OP, and that's why i like it rather than naruto and bleach. Because you can never predict what can happen right, oda let us dream.
Thanks Oda!

[chitgoks]

3) Suddenly zoro jumps out of nowhere, breaks Sengoku's neck, and drinks his blood

HAHA!!! I really hope he shows up this next chapter. What are the chances that shanks will show up? just as white beard dies, shanks showing up would be epic...i would like to see sengoku's face at that point.:D

haha if that's going to happen, how many times then have we seen sengoku's face dumbfounded upon seeing unforeseen events

[dav4488]

@dav4488. great first post! OP is turning into my #1 manga. right now my order is:
naruto, one piece, bleach.

Well thanks ;). My manga order before was naruto, one piece and after a long time i discovered bleach and fairy tale + hunter x hunter and ghost. But now the order is one piece, fairy tale, ghost, hunter x hunter, naruto. And i'm starting to losing the will to read anymore naruto. It isn't anymore the Naruto of before...

Regarding one piece, one interesting thing it came aswell on my mind is that garp will beat the crap out of luffy :P, and that we'll see finaly the ultimate power of wb after ace being released by someone who might ever be (possible luffy). The power that wb will release from my opinion is when every pirate will start to go away from marineford then wb will sacrifice himself for their sake.
Until now he didn't used at all his power because:
1. he "have the power to shake the world", and such immense power would definetely destroy the island where they are now
2. if he released his power that would be the end for most of the df users, aka the sea is around them, it's an island after all
3. almost all of the ships are destroyed ~ but we must not forget the coming of the new world pirates ~ that's the way out, their ships (and the wb ones under the sea aswell)
4. after that wound he received he's struggling to remain calm and not to show his weakness, but little by little he's starting to shiver and we can tell his time is running out.

So after all, wb will unleash his true power until ace is saved

[Dim]

i was hoping dragon would be a weather dragon or something! seems like there are different types of zoans! different types of mythical would be cook! however they are meant to be mega rare! a storm logia would be cool as well! this chapter was amazing! the new world captains jumping and backiing luffy up!!!! Ace has got the haki as well! AGAIN Oda has given us so much yet so little about haki (it breaks my heart) lol i take it garp can use most of the techniques CP9 used considering coby used soru- and the other guy who shigan'ed the f@#k out of luffy! so luffy jumping into gear second and running doesnt seem likely weve seen Garp is quick- even if he is old! But i dunno since the start Garp has had mixed emotions clashing with his marine responsibilites and somewhat his family values and obligations! i hope he has some plan to get ace out of this!\

i dont think WHitebeard or garp or any of the old school guys will die! It would be hilarious if there were a cover page with rayleigh whitebeard garp crocus etc all in a Nursing home :p but Jail is more likely for the first two :(

anywho great chapter- next chapter or to im leaning towards someone new being shown! something that will change the tide of the battle and mood of the story (the gate dude) BB dragon Mugiwara with sunny and rayleigh etc

AND I PRAY TO GOD BUGGY HAS TURNED ON HIS VISUAL DEN DEN MUSHI! that would be awosme if the world saw what was happening, But the marines werent aware coz there own screen was brocken (WB quaking the place :p)

[Mr.Popo]

That's what i predict for the future chapters:

* WB will NOT die.
* Garp will NOT help Luffy/Ace.
* BB will NOT appear.

* Buggy will be important.
* Vivi will be the next WG leader.

Just my humble opinion.

[Szaman]

Btw, at least my disappointment in WB lessened a little, knowing that while all the rest of the pirates are attacking alongside Luffy, he alone was holding the two admirals (Akainu and Kizaru) at bay from attacking Luffy. Akainu's location was last seen after striking WB's heart, and Kizaru apparently also. Although these prove of how strong he was, even mortally wounded, didn't get significant scene panels after all. :mad

My impression of WB was by far a bigger dissapointment thanks to poor translations and left-outs (like the whole phrase about him and Shanks having King's Haki).
The frustrating thing is, that most of the characters are being, how I feel, held back by Oda - WB (he is crippled the most by the sickness, wound, age etc.), Admirals, Garp, top commanders, Sengoku, Boa, etc. all of them don't seem to use their full force, don't focus their effort. It's almost like watching a dog fight with the dogs having muzzles on (not that support that kind of "sport"!). It's a one-in-a-lifetime chance to see them all out... But we don't.
Oh well...


The thing, is just what has Ace done that warrents death? So far as we know, he went to sea, and flew a flag with a skull and crossbones, and so far as we know everyone he got into a fight with was a pirate as well. Now compare that to the shit the Tenryubito do, and are enabled to do by the Marines. Does that seem very just? That's something the marines who are belivers in Moral Justice are going to have to adress at some point. They are allowing true injustice. Also Ace is a follower of Whitebeard. And while we've never seen Whitebeard speak of justice, he is a big believer in Morality.

He's a pirate. Wanted one. Not just any hobo pirate who steals candy from village chldren. Alone that along with "wanted DEAD or alive" is enough. Do you remember just how fast was he poposed the Shichi title? A year after his departure (can't remember now, is was said in the flashback about him)? You think WG would try to put him on a leash after such a short pirate career if he hadn't done some pretty spectacular things?
Besides we know next to nothing about his deeds as a pirate. All we DO know is that he is (a) well known, (b) feared, (c) has to have a colossal bounty on him.
Whatever we may think about him personally (or Luffy, Straw Hats, or any other "nice and friendly" pirate), a "pirate" is NOT someone you would want to entrust you sick elderly mother to take care of. Thus why they are hunted down imprisoned and the reall troublemakers are executed.


The thing is that right now a lot of the WG upper echilons need reform. The Tenryubito need to be Held to the same laws as everyone else, the five stars need to be replaced by someone who won't pull shit like Ohara, and the Marines need the absolute justice guys to be told, that no, you do not act for justice when you blow up the evacuation ship, or kill pregnant women and unborn children because the father was a famous criminal. I'd consider the marines a lot more just if someone like Aokiji or Smokers sense of justice was held by more of the top brass.
Edit- Oh and let me say I am so looking forward to the day we learn just what made Dragon start his revolution.

Communist much?
Sorry, it was just a stupid pun.
But seriously, HOW do you plan on doing this? Or better yet, how do you plan on doing the same thing about our real world (goverment "secrets", people who are above the law, wars waged for profit etc.)? You'll go to the White House and say "Stop it this moment!"? Qute, naive and ineffective. Same for the One Piece world.
Sorry, but that is just your fantasy world (although it IS a fantasy world, but it is held tight by the laws of logic imposed by it's creator, Oda). Just take a look Dragon - how long has he been fighting for same (more or less) principles? And just how effective was he? There are far too many people with far too much interest in keeping the status quo for any definitive change to take place. Only if Dragon was to be succesful in ovethrowing the WG some change in the OP world might take place.
The pirates don't give a rat's ass. They (in bulk) want to pillage, plunder and bathe in gold. Not make the world a nice and hello-kitty-happy place.


I wouldn´t interfere in the war between the Marines and WB if I were Dragon. I would wait until the war is over. Then I would attack the weakened Marines/World Government.

I would. Just how stupid one has to be to miss this kind of opportunity?
How strong are the usuall forces of the MHQ? 1000 soldiers? Plus all the top dogs (Admirals, some VAs, other higher rank marine officers). How many are there in the MHQ now? 100 000 (that is the numer that I seem to remember flowting around)? Plus EVERYONE who is someone in the marines. Just how do you get that many in one place? Well? Yes! You take them from other bases. A LOT of bases.
I'm not sure just how many marines are there in the first place, but by any measure 100 000 should be a good chunk of the whole force.
So we end up with:
(a) MHQ full of top officers, engaded in a deadly fight with the Strongest Pirate Crew and Co.
(b) a whole lot of marine bases that are understaffed, with next to no learedship
Dragon would have to be a bloody cretin NOT to act. We don't know how powerfull he is (given his family and infamity he is not a weakling) or how many Iva/Inazuma lvl guys serve under him, so we may assume he skips the MHQ attack - although I, given the chance would just go for it and kill as many high ranked officers as many, as it would cripple WG a lot and keep the threat of WB crew on them as an extra (helping WB would save a lot of his strengh and might save a lot of his men from dying).
But why... why would he miss a chance to attack the other bases?


That's what i predict for the future chapters:

* WB will NOT die.
* Garp will NOT help Luffy/Ace.
* BB will NOT appear.

* Buggy will be important.
* Vivi will be the next WG leader.

Just my humble opinion.

If any of the kings of the WG coalition was to lead in the first place, I would agree about Vivi. But from the flashbacks we saw it looked like more of a council that acts in some ties with the Five Stars (advisory body?).

[shk1020]

question: was whitebeard using haki here (in the bottom left pannel)?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/569/08-09/

does that mean he doesnt have the kings haki?
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The power that wb will release from my opinion is when every pirate will start to go away from marineford then wb will sacrifice himself for their sake.
Until now he didn't used at all his power because:
1. he "have the power to shake the world", and such immense power would definetely destroy the island where they are now
2. if he released his power that would be the end for most of the df users, aka the sea is around them, it's an island after all
3. almost all of the ships are destroyed ~ but we must not forget the coming of the new world pirates ~ that's the way out, their ships (and the wb ones under the sea aswell)
4. after that wound he received he's struggling to remain calm and not to show his weakness, but little by little he's starting to shiver and we can tell his time is running out.

So after all, wb will unleash his true power until ace is saved

im thinking that WB wont die until ace is saved. by that i mean (two possibilites):

1. WB dies saving luffy/ace while they run towards a ship. holding back the WG and all its minions :p

2. WB, ace, and luffy reach a ship safely. then a few minutes later, WB collapses and dies.

[Ero-Sanji]

About Dragons fruit, perhaps he has the mythical dragon fruit. According to Shinto(forgive me if I'm wrong) the Dragon is said to stand for the wind and the weather. Kinda like how Marco is/was in the state of fire.

Anyway I feel sad for Garp he's in a bad position perhaps even worse than Luffy. It would be cool if shanks or Dragon appeared next week so that this family slaughter could end.

[tothx]

question: was whitebeard using haki here (in the bottom left pannel)?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/569/08-09/

does that mean he doesnt have the kings haki?
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WB or anyone else using haki seems to become the norm. Haoshoku is the only special thing, and it would've been made clear if WB had it!

[frontaLobotomy]

Both Whitebeard and Shanks have Haoshoku, it was confirmed here (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v55/c570/2.html)

[shk1020]

Both Whitebeard and Shanks have Haoshoku, it was confirmed here (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v55/c570/2.html)

i wonder why WB didnt use it on those guards who were about to kill ace, just like luffy did. or is it possible that they both used it and luffy has a bigger kings haki?? haha, that would be funny and weird at the same time.

[ikuroi]

i wonder why WB didnt use it on those guards who were about to kill ace, just like luffy did. or is it possible that they both used it and luffy has a bigger kings haki?? haha, that would be funny and weird at the same time.

He wanted to do something perhaps that (by that i mean a haki burst), but he is very very sick. That's why he couldnt pull it off at the last second.

[Lord Rayleigh]

i wonder why WB didnt use it on those guards who were about to kill ace, just like luffy did. or is it possible that they both used it and luffy has a bigger kings haki?? haha, that would be funny and weird at the same time.
He was about to use it - " Useless. Do you truly believe that I cannot stop your... Unghh " - but his sickness weakened him at this exact moment and thus prevented him from using it.

[godofthesunn]

Both Whitebeard and Shanks have Haoshoku, it was confirmed here (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v55/c570/2.html)

That translation is questionable compared to the other versions I've seen.

[devilitachi]

Wb nor Shanks has the king's haki. I never saw that translation before. I think it's not accurate or else it would suck. King's haki should be special!

[deffkryz]

That translation is questionable compared to the other versions I've seen.

Look it up in the RAW please: They have been confirmed in more reliable scans and translations that translated the other part of the text as well. I've explained it here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1756320&postcount=638).

A couple of days already gone, and still no v2 for those scans?!


Wb nor Shanks has the king's haki. I never saw that translation before. I think it's not accurate or else it would suck. King's haki should be special!

Boy, it still is special, even if Oda confirmed two other users beside Hancock and Luffy. We see only a minor part of the population in that world - the top of the mightiest characters. It's only natural to have more than two haoushokus.

[Ero-Sanji]

One in a million they said. Now let's say that there is 4-6 billion people in Op universe that would indicate that there is a total of 4000-6000 people with the kings haki.

I believe there's 500 million to 1 billion people in the Op universe leaving a total of 500-1000 people with that ability. Remember most(a huge majority) of them aren't going to awaken it and I'm sure at least 4+ people has it in this war possibly Garp, Sengoku, WB, Mihawk and someone else.

[shk1020]

Boy, it still is special, even if Oda confirmed two other users beside Hancock and Luffy. We see only a minor part of the population in that world - the top of the mightiest characters. It's only natural to have more than two haoushokus.

i believe that at least WB has the kings haki. ace said "YOU TOO..."
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/570/02/
so keeping what the other guy in the middle row said , we know that ace knows someone with the kings haki. there are 3 possibilities.

1. Ace - refereing to himself as having it...which i HIGHLY doubt (for now).
2. WB - ace has been with him for quite some time, so this makes sense.
3. Garp - its possible that garp has it, but he was in the backgroud at the time of the kings haki usage...so i dont think ace was refering to him

its all up for debate...

[Gats]

Guys, we are in d**p sh*t. :D

With the wrong translation done at first, there will always be some guys here who will say "no no WB and shanks don't have Haki, there is no proof" = huge loss of time here. Maybe someone should tell the guys who published these scanlations...I don't know...

[deffkryz]

Again: Those translations not explicitly naming Whitebeard and Shanks as having haoushoku haki are WRONG

It has been clearly stated in the Japanese RAW of Chapter 570 and is an undebatable fact. MH shares the RAW. Just compare that panels and get this right - tell it to the ones that fucked that up and leave them the choice to give a v2 fixing that error.

Well, if they don't: Stop reading them!


Guys, we are in d**p sh*t. :D

With the wrong translation done at first, there will always be some guys here who will say "no no WB and shanks don't have Haki, there is no proof" = huge loss of time here. Maybe someone should tell the guys who published these scanlations...I don't know...

Yeah. But it doesn't matter whether or not it comes from a fast scanlation - once there are errors or changes in the inofficial or official translations, people start to say "but that scan said it that way when I read it."

And it doesn't just stop here in the Forums or the Scans... The next bad translations can be expected for the speed subs. :faint

Maybe we could start a thread in the "Tree of Knowledge" section to point out translation errors...


i believe that at least WB has the kings haki. ace said "YOU TOO..."
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/570/02/
so keeping what the other guy in the middle row said , we know that ace knows someone with the kings haki. there are 3 possibilities.

Actually, that's the wrong page from the wrong scanlation and the wrong context. ;)

WB and Shanks have been confirmed having the haoushoku.



1. Ace - refereing to himself as having it...which i HIGHLY doubt (for now).
2. WB - ace has been with him for quite some time, so this makes sense.
3. Garp - its possible that garp has it, but he was in the backgroud at the time of the kings haki usage...so i dont think ace was refering to him

its all up for debate...

Yeah whether or not Ace, Garp, Roger and Dragon have the Haoushoku or not - but WB has been confirmed.

[Marche]

i believe that at least WB has the kings haki. ace said "YOU TOO..."
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/570/02/
so keeping what the other guy in the middle row said , we know that ace knows someone with the kings haki. there are 3 possibilities.

1. Ace - refereing to himself as having it...which i HIGHLY doubt (for now).
2. WB - ace has been with him for quite some time, so this makes sense.
3. Garp - its possible that garp has it, but he was in the backgroud at the time of the kings haki usage...so i dont think ace was refering to him

its all up for debate...I think that Ace was refereing of WB (in fact some panel before a captain said that).
I don't think that He was refreing to Garp (also if I think that He has it), because I think that he only after his departure have knew of the Haki (also because if He knew of the Haki, also Rufy should have knew of it and also that his gramps have it)), and not also to himself (I think that Ace can't use the Haki, He has not developed it (as BB, also if them knew what it is), in fact He would have used it againts BB) also if I believe that He has inside of him.
I think that also Rayleigh (because his power is as that of Shanks) and perhaps Kaidoh and the lastest Younkou (I don't remember if we know his name).
From what have said in this chapter Iva and the VA Dobberman, I have unerstood thatalso Dragon possesses it, because seems that the Haki is a hereditary thing or that however is possessed by the birth.
Then I have understood that is the Haki of the king that makes to assemble the people around these people.
I finally believe that also Roger had the Haki of the king.

awakened

[jeffrey91]

Maybe we could start a thread in the "Tree of Knowledge" section to point out translation errors...

That would be a good idea.
There've been made a lot of important mistakes lately.

Btw does anybody know what the right translation is for wb's last sentence before he goed Guh!! :P en they try to kill Ace.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-569/page010.html
B/c in some translation it's like he's giving up hope, and he says it's useless, he can't do anything.
But I've also read translation where he says something like "Do you think I can't stop you from here" and than Ugh!!

But if he can still use his Haki to defeat the marines, why not from the beginning.

[Marche]

That would be a good idea.
There've been made a lot of important mistakes lately.

Btw does anybody know what the right translation is for wb's last sentence before he goed Guh!! :P en they try to kill Ace.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-569/page010.html
B/c in some translation it's like he's giving up hope, and he says it's useless, he can't do anything.
But I've also read translation where he says something like "Do you think I can't stop you from here" and than Ugh!!

But if he can still use his Haki to defeat the marines, why not from the beginning.I also agree whit this idea.
In the end I say that from the beginning was enough his DF, and after that Squardo stabbed him I think that he could not do it anymore.

[shk1020]

I also agree whit this idea.
In the end I say that from the beginning was enough his DF, and after that Squardo stabbed him I think that he could not do it anymore.

FIRST: i think we should be thankful that ppl are scanning / translating for us. its ok if they make some mistakes, as usually they are under pressure (not really) to translate them ASAP. as long as they go back and change it to the real meaning, AFTER SOMEONE POINTS IT OUT TO THEM.

in response to the blue quotes: we have seen luffy use his kings haki in impel down right before they met iva. so imo, haki just depends on the situation. how desperate is the person using it :p

**i guess WB doesnt care for Ace as much as we thought...HAHAHA - joking!

[M.D.Ace]

now that makes me realise. no wonder there was such a massive impact when shanks and wb clashed. two kings hakis and the sky splits. jheeze
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FIRST: i think we should be thankful that ppl are scanning / translating for us. its ok if they make some mistakes, as usually they are under pressure (not really) to translate them ASAP. as long as they go back and change it to the real meaning, AFTER SOMEONE POINTS IT OUT TO THEM.

in response to the blue quotes: we have seen luffy use his kings haki in impel down right before they met iva. so imo, haki just depends on the situation. how desperate is the person using it :p

**i guess WB doesnt care for Ace as much as we thought...HAHAHA - joking!

no. shanks used it at will when he was entering wb's ship

[shk1020]

now that makes me realise. no wonder there was such a massive impact when shanks and wb clashed. two kings hakis and the sky splits. jheeze
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no. shanks used it at will when he was entering wb's ship

oh i know. i didnt mean that it can ONLY be used in a desperate situation. haki can be used whenever. as seen by raileigh (the 2nd in command of gol d roger).

thats y i was saying (jokingly) that WB doesnt care as much as luffy...lol.

[Gcat88]

I think that within King Haki there are parts to it. There has to be a Haki there is even rarer than King, whether its level 5 King Haki or if its God Haki.

[M.D.Ace]

I think that within King Haki there are parts to it. There has to be a Haki there is even rarer than King, whether its level 5 King Haki or if its God Haki.

haha.
wel its all in the name. by definition king is the most supreme position anyone can hold. unless another one is called 'above kings haki'. and if anyone is going to have the 'above kings haki' then it would be ace since ace is the only one important that isnt confirmed to have it (although i think he does).. the unknown yonkus may have the 'above kings haki' but i doubt it

[Twar]

That would be a good idea.
Btw does anybody know what the right translation is for wb's last sentence before he goed Guh!! :P en they try to kill Ace.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-569/page010.html
B/c in some translation it's like he's giving up hope, and he says it's useless, he can't do anything.
But I've also read translation where he says something like "Do you think I can't stop you from here" and than Ugh!!


To answer your question: the version that says (to Sengoku): "It's useless - do you think that I wouldn't be able to stop it from here- Ugh!" is correct. Thus it should be clear that he was about to do something similar to what Luffy did, most probably with his Haki.

[OdaForPresident]

I don't think White Beard, or anyone on his crew, has the king's haki. Otherwise they would have used it to wipe out the executioners. They probably have some other type of haki, Garp and Ace (and maybe Sengoku and the other admirals) are a different matter, I'm sure they do have king's haki.

[Gcat88]

SERIOUSLY??????? Of course WB has it, whether the rest of the people on his crew have it or not we dont know.

[M.D.Ace]

I don't think White Beard, or anyone on his crew, has the king's haki. Otherwise they would have used it to wipe out the executioners. They probably have some other type of haki, Garp and Ace (and maybe Sengoku and the other admirals) are a different matter, I'm sure they do have king's haki.

ok,. i thought the same thing before until i was told and shown that the real translation is that it is said that whitebeard and shanks have haki in the current chapter... i dont know the link to direct you there though but its true.

[Yabe]

No more off-topic posts here please everyone.
Discussion about the Strawhats using haki, the new crew members, etc. don't belong here. Please use the Mega Convo thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53759&page=62) or to their threads in the Tree of Knowledge for those topics.

[Gcat88]

well based on the last panel and discussions it looks like Garp will attack, now the question is how hard???