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OunknownO
January 01, 2010, 05:53 PM
Do you think crocodile was a villan from begining(like flamingo) or he changed because some event in his life(like Moria(all of his old crew died in the NW)?

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RichardMNixon
January 01, 2010, 11:53 PM
He implied to me that he once dreamed of being the pirate king but had his dreams shattered, probably when he got crushed by Whitebeard in light of what we know now.

I think this and the next page are it, though I remember it being more explicit in the anime, might just be a different translation though. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/208/08/

Samui
January 02, 2010, 04:10 AM
He implied to me that he once dreamed of being the pirate king but had his dreams shattered, probably when he got crushed by Whitebeard in light of what we know now.

I think this and the next page are it, though I remember it being more explicit in the anime, might just be a different translation though. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/208/08/
Though it doesn't mean that he was a good person, yes? I mean, look at Kid.

gao_dargon
January 03, 2010, 04:26 AM
i think he was a bad guy since the begining of his journey, at least for what he looks like when Gol was excuted, he had an evil aura to him, by the way, the way he was shown in chapter 0 (with his face covered in shadows) makes me think Oda sensei might reveal something about his past thats gonna be important, but that could be just my imagination (hopes and wishes, since even if i think he is a prik and an A-hole, he is one of my favorite charactes since he is a total bad ass)

Black Lagoon
January 03, 2010, 06:15 AM
Everyone in One piece world would like to at least see the One Piece (for those who don't have great goals in their life -_-'), so I guess that he tried to reach the one piece once but failed ... something happened, hence he had to settle for establishing his own country.

frontaLobotomy
January 03, 2010, 12:01 PM
He's just a pirate. They all have grandiose notions and want to see them come to fruition. I'm interested to see what he will do after the current Arc. It seems Mr.1 is still loyal to him, which is the starting point of making a pretty strong crew.

OunknownO
January 03, 2010, 03:15 PM
He's just a pirate. They all have grandiose notions and want to see them come to fruition. I'm interested to see what he will do after the current Arc. It seems Mr.1 is still loyal to him, which is the starting point of making a pretty strong crew.

Mr. 1 is weak acording to New World standards, a crocodile is stong like wb commander so to put it simply.... they aren't stong at all

frontaLobotomy
January 03, 2010, 03:52 PM
I'm not sure about the whole concept behind people who dwell in the New World. I mean, Lola's crew were born in the New World, and were fodder. The crews that have sailed the Grand Line to get there are the ones that stand out.Crocodile has been defeated, from what we can gather, by Whitebeard and Luffy - There's no shame in that as they're bigtime Pirates. Against others he's stood his ground notably well.

Poneglyph420
January 04, 2010, 12:34 AM
Croc. is a former Shichibukai for a reason. He is bad ass. He can hold his own against Doflamingo and in their first two battles he did beat Luffy. I think he's amazingly powerful, but dependent on his DF and cunning..

I'd love to see more of his past.. some sort of ties to an old crew from Roger's age or maybe some crew of his own. I'd like to see Croc. form a new crew and head out to the NW....
But for now he's still a serious threat to both the Marines and WB and allies..
Personally I'd like to see him take out Doflamingo and take back his spot...

Super Angillis
January 05, 2010, 12:05 PM
i think he was a bad guy since the begining of his journey, at least for what he looks like when Gol was excuted, he had an evil aura to him, by the way, the way he was shown in chapter 0 (with his face covered in shadows) makes me think Oda sensei might reveal something about his past thats gonna be important, but that could be just my imagination (hopes and wishes, since even if i think he is a prik and an A-hole, he is one of my favorite charactes since he is a total bad ass)

Or his face is hidden because the embarrising thing Ivanakov has on him is that Crocodile was a Woman originally. Not my idea, but I theory I've seen elsewhere.

Schabrak
January 05, 2010, 02:52 PM
Mr. 1 is weak acording to New World standards, a crocodile is stong like wb commander so to put it simply.... they aren't stong at all
Yeah since the top three commanders are easily near admiral level. It's no good to badmouth something without facts supporting your wild theories. Daz Bones was on Level 4 "Blazing Hell", so who's weak here? Only supernova threat(100mil berry) pirates are imprisoned higher than this.

Besides Squardo, we still have not seen anybody from the NW, excluding WBs, who's shown real power in this war.

kkck
January 05, 2010, 03:49 PM
Do you think crocodile was a villan from begining(like flamingo) or he changed because some event in his life(like Moria(all of his old crew died in the NW)?

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Crocodile was a pirate so he certainly was not "good" from the start. He might have been less twisted and have a different path from his current one but he certainly was no more good or bad than what luffy or any current strawhat currently is. Not to say the WG was good though, they have certainly done their part.
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Does anyone else think crocodile is severely underrated? That is an impression I get every time I go through this forums. I think he is a lot more powerful than what people give him credit for. Crocodile EASILY trashed luffy the first two times they fought and in the third battle I got the impression crocodile lost due to him not using a few of the techniques he used previously such as turning the entire area into sand (in which case luffy would have died IMHO). He certainly lacks in the strength and speed department but then again that is not where his strength really lies. His strength lies not in direct combat but in his mastery over his very powerful DF which allows him to control sand. Even if he is slow by current standards, his attacks and very destructive and cover very large areas which IMHO more than makes up for his lack of physical capacities. I get the impression luffy would not be as lucky as the last time should he fight crocodile again (he won't be just left for dead for instance or crocodile won't rely more on poison working rather than using his own abilities which I do think he did).

gao_dargon
January 05, 2010, 04:54 PM
Does anyone else think crocodile is severely underrated? That is an impression I get every time I go through this forums. I think he is a lot more powerful than what people give him credit for. Crocodile EASILY trashed luffy the first two times they fought and in the third battle I got the impression crocodile lost due to him not using a few of the techniques he used previously such as turning the entire area into sand (in which case luffy would have died IMHO). He certainly lacks in the strength and speed department but then again that is not where his strength really lies. His strength lies not in direct combat but in his mastery over his very powerful DF which allows him to control sand. Even if he is slow by current standards, his attacks and very destructive and cover very large areas which IMHO more than makes up for his lack of physical capacities. I get the impression luffy would not be as lucky as the last time should he fight crocodile again (he won't be just left for dead for instance or crocodile won't rely more on poison working rather than using his own abilities which I do think he did).


yeah im with you on this one, i also think he is underestimated by everyone, just cz Luffy beat him once does not mean he can do it again (in real life, you might win a fight against a person, and the next day loos to the same person) and he was in the secret floor of impel down, in fact if they fight again, Luffy won't be soked in blood (wich i though was a cheap shot by Oda sensei) and even with gear 2 or 3 he still can't touch a logia, so Croc just have to grave him and drain him dry

firework
January 14, 2010, 11:37 PM
totally

i love how he's teaming up with luffy in this arc, its awesome seeing enemies help each other.

and i def want more of his past

BetaRuler
January 15, 2010, 12:29 AM
They say he was a rookie in the revolutionaries, so I wonder if he has some revolutionary ideals inside him that might make you think he's got some good in him (tho I like him being rotten to the core!).

Some of the revolutionaries seen so far seem to have liberating ideals in them... or am I just thinking of the ones we saw at Impel Down that have liberated themselves of their gender?

Either way the revolutionaries are somehow involved in Crocs past, so he might even tell Luffy more about his dad, if Iva doesn't.

Mushashi
January 15, 2010, 04:15 AM
From my take on this i understand that crocodile has a huge grudge againset whitebeard. we also know that crocodile once had a dream of becoming the pirate king.

and can you really say that anyone started out as a villian? that goes pretty deep no one tries to be a villin its just how you interpret what you are doing. for example a seriel killer once said. this is how we grew up in africa i developed a love and feeding for it. i knew other people thought what i was doing was wrong. but i didnt feel anything more right in the world. our general perception of evil is differenct every person will have his own unique interpretation of whats good and bad.

oda shows that lots of the characters have deeper feelings and attitudes to most other mangas. i dont think crocodile was a villin from the start. on the basis that is anyone?

goldb
January 15, 2010, 08:08 AM
I'd have to agree with you Mushashi; I think somewhere along the way of him wanting to become Pirate King, something happened to him that made him lose his way. Maybe it's to do with Whitebeard and that's why he has such a grudge against him. If we think about it that way then we could say Gecko Moria didn't start out as a villain but his life experiences have pushed him towards a path of taking actions most people would consider evil.

Fox666
January 15, 2010, 10:36 AM
Why do you say they "become villain"? They are all pirates... Moria is not that evil, nor was that good before.

goldb
January 16, 2010, 01:43 PM
The fact that they are pirates doesn't mean they're evil

kkck
January 16, 2010, 02:15 PM
The fact that they are pirates doesn't mean they're evil
Not all pirates are evil but each and every single one of them constantly breaks the law and does as he pleases. They live outside the law and do not take it into consideration when making decisions. The WG isn't that good either but fact is pirates shouldn't be considered good even when they aren't necessarily evil.

chess4
January 16, 2010, 02:41 PM
the fact that crocodile has a secret and it hasnt been revealed yet, lets me know he will be relevant in the stort later

kkck
January 16, 2010, 03:57 PM
the fact that crocodile has a secret and it hasnt been revealed yet, lets me know he will be relevant in the stort later

Odds are the weaknesses ivankov was talking about will come into play once the WG is defeated and WB becomes a priority for crocodile again.

GomuGomuNoBigBoner
January 17, 2010, 09:33 AM
Btw is there some term for the kind of scarf Crocodile is wearing or the way its bonded?
edit:
nvm, mystery solved in the discovery of the "ascot tie"!:D

Oblivion
January 21, 2010, 02:30 PM
Maybe just like sqaudro and his were defeated by Roger, WB once defeated Croc and his crew. And Croc still holds some kind of grudge against him.

And what happened between losing his crew and becoming a Shichibukai holds the secret Iva is talking about.

I'd also be intrested why exactly Croc was after the legendary weapons and how i got to know of them.

ZenoArmani
January 21, 2010, 04:52 PM
Not all pirates are evil but each and every single one of them constantly breaks the law and does as he pleases. They live outside the law and do not take it into consideration when making decisions. The WG isn't that good either but fact is pirates shouldn't be considered good even when they aren't necessarily evil.

Remember that this WG is a tyrant gladly willing to annihilate entire coutnries of innocent people, heavily supports slave trade, and fully embraces Stalin's ideal of butchering any number of civilians or even attack their own comrades for the chance of catching a single guilty man, or even the innocent offspring of a very wanted man.

People standing up to tyranny, but not doing any actual harm to civilians or non-corrupt officers are simply the most idalistic type of freedom fighters and adventurers, who happen to use a pirate flag, not true pirates or terrorists.

Some of the Strawhats (Chopper, Vivi, Usopp, likely Nami, possibly Luffy, Sanji, or Brooke) actually qualify as good heroic people willing to help out those in sufficient need. (Zoro and Robin are mostly casual murdering assholes though, and Franky apparently spent several years robbing people) We don't know if that holds true for Shanks' crew as well, or if the Strawhats are an aberration even amongst the non-plundering pirate type.