More fillers...yay...

[zangetsu685]

according to animenewsnetwork, at least their episode title listings, bleach will be entering yet another filler arc, whether or not it is actually an arc i do not know. It appears that after the zanpakuto filler arc finishes, something new is upon us.

although the new arc seems to be more about a different type of sword existing in the bleach world, i don't think kubo has anything to do with this one.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4240&page=25

[Razeus]

Ohh you're talking about the beast sword arc though its only 10 episodes. The anime resumes on canon in april.

I'm looking forward to this little arc to be honest.

[Gentleman Skeleton]

I've actually heard that this is a continuation of the Unknown Zanpakuto Tales arc whereas the Beast Swords are Zanpakuto spirits whose owners had been killed by Muramasa.

[DARK]

I think that the Muramasa/Kouga fights end at 254, leaving 10 more episodes for the "Final Chapter" of the filler arc. Then, we'll probably have the canon back at Episode 265.
I'm not too fond on more filler, especially if it's only going to be the same type of storyline from the past two dozen episodes. I honestly would've preferred one-episode storylines until the deadline of filler. That Ikkaku episode [229], believe it or not, was a decently entertaining episode.

[Snake_Cowboy]

I think I understand why they're doing this.

The Zanpakutou Unknown Tales Arc lasted a whole season and this new arc would last about half. That gives them the opportunity to dedicate the other half of the season entirely to the Ichigo/Ulquiorra showdown and the next season to the captains/Vizards/Espada fight.

[benelori]

Yeah...i think along the same lines...also the same studio is producing shippuden right?If so...shippuden will have a filler about 10 episodes at least that's how I know...
And in both animes big battles are coming...Ichigo vs Ulq+Espada fights in naruto the pain arc comes...
Somebody said, they want to make it with fine animation, so they need the budget, good animators and time...

[itachisamata]

Yeah...i think along the same lines...also the same studio is producing shippuden right?If so...shippuden will have a filler about 10 episodes at least that's how I know...
And in both animes big battles are coming...Ichigo vs Ulq+Espada fights in naruto the pain arc comes...
Somebody said, they want to make it with fine animation, so they need the budget, good animators and time...

we don't know about naruto but they already did torosaki vs ulq 2 or 3 months ago!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN4RuhQopqo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQnxSM5cz3g&feature=related

[sarutobi_sensei]

No that's from the Bleach PSP game released about 1 or 2 months ago. It has nothing to do with the anime. Sure the animation is epic and all, but in the anime it will be different, even better x)

[itachisamata]

No that's from the Bleach PSP game released about 1 or 2 months ago. It has nothing to do with the anime. Sure the animation is epic and all, but in the anime it will be different, even better x)

the game bleach soul carnival 2.
from the game doesn't mean, not the same as the anime ;) !!
that part will be the same in anime you'll see :p

[AlB]

new filler? duh, I hate this anime

[Charred]

They dont have much choice. Think a moment about it before you post. The anime is extremely close to the manga atm, so they simply are forced to do fillers. On top of that, this last fillerarc was pretty decent.

[Travis]

They have to do more fillers. If they start the manga story back up again, they'll be on the current chapter in like 15 episodes if that.

[El Samurai Guapo]

They have to do more fillers. If they start the manga story back up again, they'll be on the current chapter in like 15 episodes if that.

So what? I hate how in Bleach they'll just stop the anime out of nowhere and go to some filler story as if it was some alternate universe or something. At least in Naruto they try to tie in the filler story to canon one.

If you ask me, they should just catch up to the manga then go on a 6 month hiatus. In 15 chapters the current manga arc should be over as well, so that would be a good place for the anime to stop and resume a few months later.

[AlB]

They have to do more fillers. If they start the manga story back up again, they'll be on the current chapter in like 15 episodes if that.


They dont have much choice. Think a moment about it before you post. The anime is extremely close to the manga atm, so they simply are forced to do fillers. On top of that, this last fillerarc was pretty decent.

then maybe they should try and make good fillers? Do you honestly like the crap they are showing? If you ask me they should just take a break, it is annoying shit when episode starts and ends with pointless gasps of kurosaki-kun, nii-sama, ichigo, etc

last filler decent? :blink

[Mifune_Taichou]

IMO this filler (the muramasa arc) is pretty damn good. In some ways its a damn sight better than the drivel Kuba has been putting on recently. The last few epis were a but weak (still havent seen the very last one) but for example the byakuya v kouga fight was I think miles better than most fights in the last few years in bleach. The sword fighting coreography was actually unparalled in Bleach in terms of technical accuracy-it was much closer to how actual swordmen would move and fight than any other bleach fight. I much prefer to see that for most of the fight than massive attacks and reiasu charging or Aizen mouthing off for two chapters and using nonsensical nech shields.

[THM Nindo]

Man... another filler... this is just ridiculous...
Get back to the canon already!!! :mad

[exacta]

So what? I hate how in Bleach they'll just stop the anime out of nowhere and go to some filler story as if it was some alternate universe or something. At least in Naruto they try to tie in the filler story to canon one.

If you ask me, they should just catch up to the manga then go on a 6 month hiatus. In 15 chapters the current manga arc should be over as well, so that would be a good place for the anime to stop and resume a few months later.

No. I'll watch the Zanpakuto Arc over any Naruto filler any day, and even the Amagai filler. No filler is as awful and as uneccessary as a Naruto filler.Well, I suppose you could say the recent filler is kinda neccessary, but for a long time, Naruto went ridiculous with filler, the manga was several, several chapters ahead and they still had 10-20 episode filler arcs. Bleach on a 6 month hiatus???That's not funny. Or do you mean the anime going on hiatus?Because if I had to wait 6 months for a Bleach chapter that would probably develop nothing, I'd want to bash my head in.

[Exodi]

I don't get why people think the anime going on a "hiatus" is a good idea.

[El Samurai Guapo]

No. I'll watch the Zanpakuto Arc over any Naruto filler any day, and even the Amagai filler. No filler is as awful and as uneccessary as a Naruto filler.Well, I suppose you could say the recent filler is kinda neccessary, but for a long time, Naruto went ridiculous with filler, the manga was several, several chapters ahead and they still had 10-20 episode filler arcs. Bleach on a 6 month hiatus???That's not funny. Or do you mean the anime going on hiatus?Because if I had to wait 6 months for a Bleach chapter that would probably develop nothing, I'd want to bash my head in.

Uhh, the anime obviously. Who would suggest that the manga should go on a hiatus? I said that the Bleach anime should hurry up and catch up to the manga, then take a 6 month break in between seasons. Then again, if I'm going to be thinking wishfully here, I might as well say that what I'd really like to see is the BLEACH anime going from a TV series to OVA's released quarterly.

OVA's are much better than TV series because they lack the time constraints of 23 minute episodes, and they usually exhibit superior animation quality (similar to theatrical movies). Once again, this is just wishful thinking on my part, so please spare me any annoying "that will not happen because X, Y and Z." responses.

[Saint Markus]

the anime cannot pass the manga. it's stupid, so you can't really hate fillers in general, the ideas yeah, but not their purposes. or they could cut the anime for a year and bring back, then peeps would be pissed that there's no Bleach to either like or complain about for that time period.

and by the way, this sh*t is FREE, and the companies put money into this so we don't have spend ours. don't watch it and get something else for FREE.

it's FREE!!!. hello?.

[WaveBossa]

I don't get why people think the anime going on a "hiatus" is a good idea.

Wow... you live in America and yet u say that...

Think of highly regarded shows here

24
House
Dexter
The Office
Lost
Heroes
Burn Notice
Family Guy
Etc etc

All of these shows have something called "SEASONS!!!"

So when they are off-season, they are working on making the next season better, not just releasing absolute shit just because ppl cant go 1 week without the show.

If they did that, the overal quality of show would drop. And the brandname would suffer because of it.

And just to quiet a stupid little myth that's been going on. GOING ON HIATUS DOES NOT = LOSS OF VIEWERS.

Guess what episodes generate the most viewers? That's right, season premiers and season finales. Once you have built up a fanbase with QUALITY episodes, you have them for life pretty much. And, just to juxtapose, guess what happened to Naruto at the HIEGHT of its popularity on Cartoon network? Fillers, and shortly afterward, the show was canceled.

So... for the last time... fillers are NONSENSICAL no matter how you think of it or try to defend it. They JUST ARE.

[Tygulopk]

Wow... you live in America and yet u say that...

Think of highly regarded shows here

24
House
Dexter
The Office
Lost
Heroes
Burn Notice
Family Guy
Etc etc

All of these shows have something called "SEASONS!!!"

So when they are off-season, they are working on making the next season better, not just releasing absolute shit just because ppl cant go 1 week without the show.

If they did that, the overal quality of show would drop. And the brandname would suffer because of it.

And just to quiet a stupid little myth that's been going on. GOING ON HIATUS DOES NOT = LOSS OF VIEWERS.

Guess what episodes generate the most viewers? That's right, season premiers and season finales. Once you have built up a fanbase with QUALITY episodes, you have them for life pretty much. And, just to juxtapose, guess what happened to Naruto at the HIEGHT of its popularity on Cartoon network? Fillers, and shortly afterward, the show was canceled.

So... for the last time... fillers are NONSENSICAL no matter how you think of it or try to defend it. They JUST ARE.
The problem is, the writers/actors/producers in America get paid buttloads of money to produce their episodes. While in Japan, the anime industry has gone down thanks to the economy, and a 6 month hiatus would probably cost a company ALOT of money (no aired episodes means no income), especially for a giant in the industry like Bleach.

[El Samurai Guapo]

The problem is, the writers/actors/producers in America get paid buttloads of money to produce their episodes. While in Japan, the anime industry has gone down thanks to the economy, and a 6 month hiatus would probably cost a company ALOT of money (no aired episodes means no income), especially for a giant in the industry like Bleach.

Not really, people aren't stupid, they know when the episodes they're watching are obsolete non-canon fillers. No doubt that the amount of viewers drops by 1/2 or more while the fillers are running, which are later recuperated once the canon story resumes.

It's really the opposite of what you're suggesting. They would save more money by having the studio go on a few months of leave, rather than creating and televising these filler episodes every week. Instead put that money into marketing and hyping the season premiers.

[Zeltrax]

fillers just sucks
but they've got no choice but to do it
when they have already animated 200+ episodes of canon.
why go to hiatus after so many episodes?
Besides, why not milk the cow O_O, since bleach is a name anyone who lives in toyko knows.

[wonderhollow]

"So... for the last time... fillers are NONSENSICAL no matter how you think of it or try to defend it. They JUST ARE."

Hold on a second. You can't compare the set up of series using real life actors with anime. There are many other things involved, such as the need and time to write scripts, coordinating actors' schedules, and so on. I mean, even this problem affects US cartoons, since the sources are extremely useless for being directly reproduced into cartoons, and the fact that they are released in seasons is simply for their financial limitations and script writing needs, it has nothing to do with content quality or strategic ratings' approach.

As for Bleach going in a hiatus, anyone has the right to state that it would be their preference. However, take this into consideration. Anime is extremely competitive in Japan, and a hiatus could be fatal. Merchandise, yearly OVA releases, videogame releases, it all depends on keeping the interest active, in a market in which the spotlight can be taken away with ease under such fierce competition.
Furthermore, please refrain from thinking that everyone in Japan reads both manga and watches the anime, because there are plenty who do one only (take kids for instance, they primarily watch anime). Plus, whoever reads shounen jump, they usually just throw it away afterwards, or rather read it for free at 7/11 stores and thus don't even own it.

so no, there are many who don't think that what they're watching is "obsolete non-cannon filler", unless you want to make a huge generalization. They just watch it, and enjoy it, as it is.

As for me, i like good quality fillers, since they bring something new that i had not seen before, with characters that i like. But the idea of seasons, it seems terrible, except if you think that Anime is done for the US market specifically, and ...it is not. If it were, i doubt even the canon would remain.

[sarutobi_sensei]

These fillers suck so hard. I don't even have the appetite to watch them.
[hr]

So what? I hate how in Bleach they'll just stop the anime out of nowhere and go to some filler story as if it was some alternate universe or something. At least in Naruto they try to tie in the filler story to canon one.

If you ask me, they should just catch up to the manga then go on a 6 month hiatus. In 15 chapters the current manga arc should be over as well, so that would be a good place for the anime to stop and resume a few months later.

I would prefer 1 million times Bleach fillers over Naruto fillers, except Naruto episode 101 xD.

Naruto fillers suck so much because they use canon stuff on filler episodes. It's just plain stupid. For example, these new 6 tail fillers were good, until the last 10 seconds of the latest episode. Why the hell include Pain's dog and a fucking jutsu that can destroy a freacking village? Srsl it's already adding stuff that's going to happen in the near future to the anime, and when it happens it won't cause as much of an impact as it would.

[dissentniisama]

I mean, even this problem affects US cartoons, since the sources are extremely useless for being directly reproduced into cartoons, and the fact that they are released in seasons is simply for their financial limitations and script writing needs, it has nothing to do with content quality or strategic ratings' approach.
How many US cartoons even have source material? There's stuff taken from Marvel or DC, and even then it's highly episodic and probably not similar at all to the source (although they have some license for that - it's hard to condense plots that've been going for decades into a standard season, or even remotely have an ongoing plot longer than 5 or 6 episodes, so they can keep the interest of the 8-10 year olds they're made for). Most American cartoons also don't last for more than 2 or 3 seasons - if that - before getting canceled. They might get a total of 52 episodes and be over for good. It's only rare exceptions that do better than that.

Beyond those, I don't think too much American stuff is based on pre-existing sources.


As for Bleach going in a hiatus, anyone has the right to state that it would be their preference. However, take this into consideration. Anime is extremely competitive in Japan, and a hiatus could be fatal. Merchandise, yearly OVA releases, videogame releases, it all depends on keeping the interest active, in a market in which the spotlight can be taken away with ease under such fierce competition.

As for me, i like good quality fillers, since they bring something new that i had not seen before, with characters that i like. But the idea of seasons, it seems terrible, except if you think that Anime is done for the US market specifically, and ...it is not. If it were, i doubt even the canon would remain.
I think this needs a huge disclaimer: only relevant to Jump (and their ilk). Most anime properties that span several seasons do in fact adhere to what the US is more accustomed to - 13 or 24 episode runs, a break for a season or two, come back later*. And they don't take hits in their fanbase. The only ones that do seem to need or get the absurd yearlong air schedules are things like Bleach, Naruto, Dragonball Z, InuYasha, probably Ranma ½...there's a common thread amongst all those.

* However, the season arrangements are different in Japan - the US doesn't usually have notable Spring (April-July), Summer (July-September), or Winter (January-April) TV seasons. The exception for Winter is only with shows that started in the Fall, not new series. USA is really the only network I know of that flirted/flirts with a serious Summer lineup of new content, and it was/is still not anywhere near high-profile.




As for the current filler, meh. It's not great, but it's not horrible. Probably not even a tenth as bad as the Bount arc was - I think they learned their lesson on that one. Don't try to shoehorn filler into the main storyline, for a show like this it doesn't work (or rather, doesn't work when that kind of plot is the best you can come up with). The approach where they cut away to a different storyline and then come back, while jarring to what had been going on in recent eps, doesn't screw with the overall plot and characterization like that one did.