Akatsuki Civil War

[DEATHBOTT]

Team A - Pain (all six realms), Konan, Kakazu, Hidan and Deidra.

Team B - Itachi, Kisame, Sauke, Juggo, Suigetsu, Karin, Sasori and Orochimaru.

Fight to the death no holding back apart from with the rules established below. All participants have all their skills shown in the manga apart from when stated otherwise in the rules. Madara and Zetsu's powers are unknown so they are out of the fight. Itachi is healthy. Sasuke and Co. are from when they fought Bee so his ms isn't fully developed but he has the hawk summon. Orochimaru is healthy. Sasori is in Hiruko to start with. Deidra can't use nano bombs or selfdestruct unless all of his team mates are dead, the latter resulting in a draw. Pain can't use massive shinra tensei or chibuki tensei unless all his team mates are out of the vicinity. Each person knows their team mates powers but not their enemies. The fight is in large the open field where the sannin fought. No planning before hand apart from getting enough shurikan, kunai, clay etc. The fight starts with everyone out in the open.

This is my first thread, hope it doesn't exist already. If not happy fighting. :D

[Lightsnake]

You've basically crippled the first team with no C4 or Pain's strongest techniques with practically no handicap to team 2...

Hebi is a joke. Quite honestly, Hidan and Konan can handle them and Kakuzu can handle Kisame or Orochimaru while Pain and Deidara double team Itachi and Orochimaru...but just the scale of the uneven numbers might be bad for Team 1 if Hidan and Konan don't finish up very quickly

[kkck]

Pein wins. The rest dies caught up in either super shinra tensei, chibaku tensei or simply pure pawnage....

[DEATHBOTT]

You've basically crippled the first team with no C4 or Pain's strongest techniques with practically no handicap to team 2...

Hebi is a joke. Quite honestly, Hidan and Konan can handle them and Kakuzu can handle Kisame or Orochimaru while Pain and Deidara double team Itachi and Orochimaru...but just the scale of the uneven numbers might be bad for Team 1 if Hidan and Konan don't finish up very quickly

i know i did but c4 would take out everyone except for sasuke while pains super moves would kill everyone except possibley itachi. i disagree about kakzu taking on kisame because kisame would just drown, then blitz him. and granted ksiame creates a large body of water suigetsu then has a big advantage over konan, and not bleeding also gives him an advantage over hidan. karin would also be able to find nagato and then have someone go after him.

[Lightsnake]

Sasori'd be fine from C4 most like. He doesn't breathe.

Also, you underestimate Kakuzu there. Kisame doesn't use that strategy right off and Kakuzu has Doton and Raiton at his command which is bad for Kisame's suiton moves.

also, Karin needs to know to look for Nagato and has to focus to find him. She'd get slaughtered

[DEATHBOTT]

Sasori'd be fine from C4 most like. He doesn't breathe.

Also, you underestimate Kakuzu there. Kisame doesn't use that strategy right off and Kakuzu has Doton and Raiton at his command which is bad for Kisame's suiton moves.

also, Karin needs to know to look for Nagato and has to focus to find him. She'd get slaughtered

remember i said they would go all out, so kisame would go with his water move at first, it gives not only him but suigetsu a big advantage. the way i see this fight preceding is hidan charging forward and either getting his head chopped off straight away or giving away that he is immortal and then getting his head chopped off. itachi and sasuke could both use their sharingan to out play him, kisame is good at swordfighting and would suck his chakra up, suigtsu doesnt bleed and is good at sword fighting, sasori would be in his puppet and wouldn't bleed even if he was hit, juggo has shown he can last for atleast a bitt in a melee fight and oro would also outlast him. he basiclly coldn't use only technique on anyone but karin and lets face it she'll be at the back hiding. his only use would be in unison with kakazu. but this isnt a fight like with kakashi when all kakashi had was fodder as back up so them fighting as a team would be highly unlikely. team a would have to rely on pain kakazu and diedra for this one. konan wouldnt last against anyone but karin and maybe juggo. pain would most likely start of with summons and asura while hungry ghost and deva gave support. but really this comes back to the same old rinningan vs ms questions, can hungry ghost absorb amaratsu and would shinra tensei effect sussonoo with yatas mirror.

[MidnightAngel]

I'd Say Team 2 Wins. They just need to protect Karin from getting slaughtered, or at least until she finds Nagato's body. Then it's gonna be an easy win, Sasuke's susanoo would protect him quite well from bombs and so. Then the real susanoo goes in and just Totsuka Pwns. Then we have Orochi imba capabilities and Sasori tools would be pretty annoying. Juugo and Suigetsu can't do a shit imo, maybe Suigetsu can use Kisame's Water Jutsu to pump himself. Team A is just a bad combo of characters IMO. Taken out Pain they are free food.

[Kale]

in my opinion you could put Pein (all 6) and Itachi (healthy) on one team and they would obliterate the rest.

[e-dog]

in my opinion you could put Pein (all 6) and Itachi (healthy) on one team and they would obliterate the rest.

Although I am an Itachi fan (I absolutely love his personality), I really doubt they could kill off everyone else.
Just the sheer amount of jutsu's and the levels of the opponents they will be fighting is ridiculous.
It's like fighting against a very very strong hidden village.


Back to topic, just a quick thing.
I think Sasori will prove to be a pain in the a$s for team A, the sheer amount of puppets he can create is just crazy. Combine that with his poison and you have got a very deadly opponent.
Also a healthy Itachi's abilities are unknown except for his vision. I don't know what the difference would be- Maybe also an increase in stamina?

Anyways the important nins here IMO are:

Team A:
Pain - for obvious reasons
Kakuzu - he can hold of multiple shinobi at the same time for quite a while.
Deidara - He can bomb A LOT.

Team B:
Itachi: Genjutsu type with a pretty good Ninjutsu arsenal at his disposal.
Sasuke: Ninjutsu type with an even more impressive arsenal at his disposal.
Sasori: very obvious reason
Orochimaru: This guy is very deceptive and strong and when you think he's dead he appears behind you and bites you up the arse :p


For the other ninjas:
Paper burns so konan would be Amaterasu'd or even Goukakyou'd.
Hidan is pretty slow and he isn't exactly the most intelligent kid in school.
He can instantly be wiped out by Amaterasu, Chidori Nagashi and more. Also, his taijutsu is no match for the sharingan's god-mode powers.
Kisame is a pretty tough one... I didn't put him in the "Important list" because of his intelligence- or the lack of intelligence to be exact. He could easily be outsmarted and defeated IMO. On the other hand, he is crazy strong and his chakra amount enable him to do huge jutsu's.
I also left Juugo, Karin and Suigutsu out because they are outclassed here even by the weakest opponent.
Don't get me wrong, they could do some damage, but in the end I don't think they will be the deciding factor.

I'm gonna run a possible scenario here...

I think Konan and Hidan will go down together with Juugo, Karin, Suigutsu and Kisame so they cancel each other out. (That is if team B does not take advantage of Karin's healing abilities which is very unlikely)

Now lets get to the fun part.
Pain, Deidara and Kakuzu vs Itachi, Sasuke, Sasori and Orochimaru.

I believe Pains 6 bodies will be severally butthurt after Sasori unleashes hell with his 1000 puppets combined with a couple of well placed jutsu's from Ita Sasu or Oro. At least 3-4 of the bodies would go down before team A defeats Sasori's puppets + Sasori (that is IF team B fails to defend Sasori)
Kakuzu and Pain would try to destroy as many of Sasori's bodies as they can with their different jutsu's but some will get through, they will either serve as a distraction for Ita, Sasu or Oro's attacks. Or they will do some real damage themselves.... But probably a little bit of both.
Deidara could fly on a safe altitude and bomb the living hell out of everybody (Yes he IS crazy) but that would only work for some time before Team B decides to concentrate on him and for example vaporize him.
By this time, I think Sasori would be defeated- worst case scenario for team B.
Also at least 3-4 of Pains bodies would be gone IMHO in a well coordinated attack.

At the same time I think Sasuke would move for the kill on Kakuzu. Sasuke would be supported by Orochimaru's snakes (they know each others skills very well).
Itachi would be holding off Pains 2 or 3 bodies until Kakuzu would be dealt with since Kakuzu can be a very annoying adversary.

After Kakuzu is defeated, I think either Orochimaru would be Injured or dead- Sasuke would be alive and kicking because of his Susano'o.
And now, when pain only has 2-3 bodies left and is faced against 2 Uchiha's with the Mangekyou Sharingan and Susano'o activated + high intelligence, I don't think he stands much of a chance. These 2 can Smaterasu from different angles and a safe distance, or even 1 could approach them with Susano'o, applying pressure this way and forcing them to split up while the other starts the fun-times with Amaterasu. Hell, they could both approach the bodies with Susano'o activated and spawn a couple of well-aimed Amaterasu's.

In the end, i think the last people standing would be either the 2 Susano'o users, or Deva Realm.
I think team B would probably emerge victorious because they have 2 (Or even 3) very good tacticians while team A does not.


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[DEATHBOTT]

sasuke has no susanoo, he's at the level of when he fought bee but with hawk summons and he wouldn't be powered by hate. i think if he did have susanoo team b would win for sure, because of its range cababilites so i took that out.

[Lightsnake]

remember i said they would go all out, so kisame would go with his water move at first, it gives not only him but suigetsu a big advantage.
Kakuzu's lightning blasts utterly nullify that advantage, actually



the way i see this fight preceding is hidan charging forward and either getting his head chopped off straight away or giving away that he is immortal and then getting his head chopped off.
Hidan is not that weak



itachi and sasuke could both use their sharingan to out play him, kisame is good at swordfighting and would suck his chakra up, suigtsu doesnt bleed and is good at sword fighting, sasori would be in his puppet and wouldn't bleed even if he was hit, juggo has shown he can last for atleast a bitt in a melee fight and oro would also outlast him.
You're assuming Hidan will be an idiot in regards to a fight this big when Kakuzu is there. Hidan has demonstrated he can stick to tactics and is very good at this with Kakuzu
Also, that's not how Samehada works...it can't just randomly suck up invisible chakra.



he basiclly coldn't use only technique on anyone but karin and lets face it she'll be at the back hiding. his only use would be in unison with kakazu. but this isnt a fight like with kakashi when all kakashi had was fodder as back up so them fighting as a team would be highly unlikely. team a would have to rely on pain kakazu and diedra for this one. konan wouldnt last against anyone but karin and maybe juggo. pain would most likely start of with summons and asura while hungry ghost and deva gave support. but really this comes back to the same old rinningan vs ms questions, can hungry ghost absorb amaratsu and would shinra tensei effect sussonoo with yatas mirror.
Konan can barely be hurt. she's better than she's normally given credit for. And Pain's bodies means he'll be going all out.
And Shinra Tensei would work fine on Susanoo given it'd bypass it and hit the user.

[DEATHBOTT]

Kakuzu's lightning blasts utterly nullify that advantage, actually


Hidan is not that weak


You're assuming Hidan will be an idiot in regards to a fight this big when Kakuzu is there. Hidan has demonstrated he can stick to tactics and is very good at this with Kakuzu
Also, that's not how Samehada works...it can't just randomly suck up invisible chakra.


Konan can barely be hurt. she's better than she's normally given credit for. And Pain's bodies means he'll be going all out.
And Shinra Tensei would work fine on Susanoo given it'd bypass it and hit the user.

kakazu would also be in the water though so he would get hurt also. and i meant that when hidan and kakazu fought in unison against kakshi there was know one else there to distract them (apart from shika chouji and ino) but know they would have s class ninja left and right coming at them so fighting togather would he harder. also would shinra tensie bybass the mirror of yata which is meant to deflect any technique. i mean it got deflected of six tailed naruto. konan can be hurt, all they have to do is attack with katon or maybe even suiton.

[Lightsnake]

kakazu would also be in the water though so he would get hurt also. and i meant that when hidan and kakazu fought in unison against kakshi there was know one else there to distract them (apart from shika chouji and ino) but know they would have s class ninja left and right coming at them so fighting togather would he harder. also would shinra tensie bybass the mirror of yata which is meant to deflect any technique. i mean it got deflected of six tailed naruto. konan can be hurt, all they have to do is attack with katon or maybe even suiton.

Kakuzu has massive durability and unlike them, he can afford to take the damage.

And Kakuzu and Hidan are partners, well versed to fighting together. Hidan is not THAT stupid.

And Yata's mirror does not guard against gravitational force that just pushes the wielder. It's not external.

And Konan isn't incapable of dodging or remaining out of range of attacks while assaulting them

[Delbi]

Ignoring the established rules (sorry Deathbot, I think it's rather pointless), Team B wrecks Team A.

Pain may be the strongest of Akatsuki, but guess what, Itachi, Sasuke, Kisame, Orochimaru, and Sasori were 2 through 6 in terms of power after him in no particular order. Remove the former Hawk fodder and Team B still wins.

Deidara and Kakazu are the only one's that are going to be worth much on Team A besides Pain, and they are outclassed by everyone on Team B anyway. Konan won't last long from what we have seen, and Hidan, even though he can't be killed, would be torn to pieces.

[DEATHBOTT]

Ignoring the established rules (sorry Deathbot, I think it's rather pointless), Team B wrecks Team A.

Pain may be the strongest of Akatsuki, but guess what, Itachi, Sasuke, Kisame, Orochimaru, and Sasori were 2 through 6 in terms of power after him in no particular order. Remove the former Hawk fodder and Team B still wins.

Deidara and Kakazu are the only one's that are going to be worth much on Team A besides Pain, and they are outclassed by everyone on Team B anyway. Konan won't last long from what we have seen, and Hidan, even though he can't be killed, would be torn to pieces.

if you ignore the rules then pain massive shenra tensies them or chibuki tensies them and if that doesn't work diedra c4 them and if that doesnt work he selfdesructs ending in a draw. with out the rules the best team b could hope for would be a draw.

[Lightsnake]

Sasori is the only survivor on Team B if C4 i used....and Deidara does not randomly suicide at the drop of a hat, either

[DEATHBOTT]

Sasori is the only survivor on Team B if C4 i used....and Deidara does not randomly suicide at the drop of a hat, either

thats asuming sasori survives shinra tensei or chibuki tensie, also sasuke could survive like he did in the actual manga. and i didnt say deidra would selfdestruct at the drop of a hat but if he were allowed to (im just argueing based on delbi taking away the rules) he would if team a were going to lose meaning the best team b can hope for is a draw.

[Lightsnake]

Sasuke can no longer survive C4 for a few reasons:
1. He can't fly outside of the hawk summon, which'd be killed by C4 as well
2. He doesn't have his CS 2 durability which was how he survive nailing himself with a Raikiri

[Destined_One]

Anyone ever think that Hidan is a huge factor here. Pain would only have to get blood from Itachi, Sasuke etc. And nothing they did would matter, due to the nature of his ceremony. Also pain could protect Hidan until his ceremony is finished. It wouldn't even matter if any of team A died, Nagato whom is miles from the battlefield is basically a phoenix down, and although it takes a lot of Chakra, it was made rather clear he could do it without losing his life.

I also agree CT should be removed, else everyone would die except Itachi, due to his Susanoo, though would likely still be trapped. As strong as Pain is alone he is probably the best ninja to have as an ally. He can revive you, repel attacks, gravitate your enemies toward you, trap them in a mini moon and absorb all ninjutsu. Not to mention watch over the entire battlefield for any hi jinx.

Also we have only seen Konan's paper clone, so her real strength is probably higher. She did take on multiple ninja's, including the Aburame clan. So although she is likely not that great, she is probably better than she has shown.

[ninjabot]

Sasuke can no longer survive C4 for a few reasons:
1. He can't fly outside of the hawk summon, which'd be killed by C4 as well
2. He doesn't have his CS 2 durability which was how he survive nailing himself with a Raikiri

1: Flight isn't necessary to survive C4.
2: It was never stated that he needed CS2 to survive that Chidori. He simply needed to avoid hitting his vitals. Matter of factly, there isn't a single stab wound on his body after he did it. He just had sparks on him and complained that he was in pain. He probably just pressed it against him so the Raiton would flow through him.

[Lightsnake]

1: Flight isn't necessary to survive C4.

If you're trapped in the barrier, it kind of is. Sasuke himself said he only escaped by seeing where Deidara was and flying to that location. running will be ineffective given Deidara can keep you trapped and a single breath means death-and if you're running, you're going to breathe



2: It was never stated that he needed CS2 to survive that Chidori. He simply needed to avoid hitting his vitals. Matter of factly, there isn't a single stab wound on his body after he did it. He just had sparks on him and complained that he was in pain. He probably just pressed it against him so the Raiton would flow through him.
He said it took a lot out of him and could barely even stand afterward.
He was in CS2 when he did that and running electricity through your body is not healthy.

Never mind the tiny detail that if you're going to do that be DAMN sure Deidara can't follow up on the attack because if he can, you're going to die.

[ninjabot]

He said it took a lot out of him and could barely even stand afterward.
He was in CS2 when he did that and running electricity through your body is not healthy.


I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing how you managed to come to the conclusion that he couldn't survive it without CS2. No one's ever died from being grazed by a Chidori. Stabbed int he heart? Sure. But pressed against your abdomen? No.



Never mind the tiny detail that if you're going to do that be DAMN sure Deidara can't follow up on the attack because if he can, you're going to die.


Thread creator didn't take Amaterasu away from Sasuke. Or Itachi. Or Kamui from Kakashi for that matter. Deidara sits still long enough to blow a giant clay baloon of himself and he becomes immolated or has his brain sent back to Tsuchigakure via Kamui.

[Lightsnake]

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing how you managed to come to the conclusion that he couldn't survive it without CS2. No one's ever died from being grazed by a Chidori. Stabbed int he heart? Sure. But pressed against your abdomen? No.
How many people have been electrocuted like that? There's Bee and Sasuke, who's made of iron and was in CS2 respectively. The criteria of "who's ever died from..." is a flawed one. Who's ever truly died from Amaterasu? Or Chibaku Tensei? Being electrocuted like that with no protection means your internal organs are being fried






Thread creator didn't take Amaterasu away from Sasuke. Or Itachi. Or Kamui from Kakashi for that matter. Deidara sits still long enough to blow a giant clay baloon of himself and he becomes immolated or has his brain sent back to Tsuchigakure via Kamui.

Deidara has dodged kamui before after he was prepared for it. Itachi doesn't use Amaterasu right off ICly and Sasuke'd have to center in on Deidara perfectly. when he's not obscured by his bird...plus they'll be kind busy on the ground

[ninjabot]

How many people have been electrocuted like that? There's Bee and Sasuke, who's made of iron and was in CS2 respectively. The criteria of "who's ever died from..." is a flawed one. Who's ever truly died from Amaterasu? Or Chibaku Tensei? Being electrocuted like that with no protection means your internal organs are being fried

Suigetsu was water, and thus weak against Raiton and still didn't die from not being pierced in a vital organ. Nor was he rendered incapable of continuing the fight. The point here is he's taking a level of Raiton he knows he can survive and using it to insure he does survive C4. Sasuke determines the level of lethality from his Raiton, so just assuming he's putting himself on death's door from tanking his own Chidori is reaching.


Deidara has dodged kamui before after he was prepared for it. Itachi doesn't use Amaterasu right off ICly and Sasuke'd have to center in on Deidara perfectly. when he's not obscured by his bird...plus they'll be kind busy on the ground

Did he have a giant balloon of clay spewing from his mouth while Kakashi attempted Kamui? And Deidara doesn't use C4 at the beginning of battle either. If the fight has reached the point that Deidara's using his "anti-Itachi jutsu", then it's also reached the point that Itachi or Sasuke (or Kakashi are ready to oneshot him with their respective MS jutsu. As for Sasuke needing perfect aim with his Amaterasu, unless Deidara's moving at the speed of Raikage, he's not dodging it.

[Destined_One]

^Btw Karin is present, so whether or not he has the healing of the white snake abilities to survive the chidori is meaningless, he is one bite away from full health. Also seeing as this is a team battle, Deidara or Kisame or whomever don't really need to possess the ability to evade or counter a jutsu, they can rely on there team mates to aid them. Pain could always use shinra tensei, or remove the flames with Preta. In the same manner Kisame could cover the landscape in water while Sasuke electrifies it, nullifying any of the explosives on the battlefield.

[DEATHBOTT]

How many people have been electrocuted like that? There's Bee and Sasuke, who's made of iron and was in CS2 respectively. The criteria of "who's ever died from..." is a flawed one. Who's ever truly died from Amaterasu? Or Chibaku Tensei? Being electrocuted like that with no protection means your internal organs are being fried





Deidara has dodged kamui before after he was prepared for it. Itachi doesn't use Amaterasu right off ICly and Sasuke'd have to center in on Deidara perfectly. when he's not obscured by his bird...plus they'll be kind busy on the ground

i think it the piercing with the chidori that does most of the damage or else many of the charcter that have been hit by hit would have died from the insides being fried. i think if he just touched himself with out piercing he could disarm the c4.

[Lightsnake]

Suigetsu was water, and thus weak against Raiton and still didn't die from not being pierced in a vital organ. Nor was he rendered incapable of continuing the fight. The point here is he's taking a level of Raiton he knows he can survive and using it to insure he does survive C4. Sasuke determines the level of lethality from his Raiton, so just assuming he's putting himself on death's door from tanking his own Chidori is reaching
Suigetsu has a unique body structure...so he's not the best example.

And just running a weak current through yourself when you're an ordinayr human in body is a bad idea...it needs to be strong enough. It's still going to injure him. Badly



Did he have a giant balloon of clay spewing from his mouth while Kakashi attempted Kamui? And Deidara doesn't use C4 at the beginning of battle either. If the fight has reached the point that Deidara's using his "anti-Itachi jutsu", then it's also reached the point that Itachi or Sasuke (or Kakashi are ready to oneshot him with their respective MS jutsu. As for Sasuke needing perfect aim with his Amaterasu, unless Deidara's moving at the speed of Raikage, he's not dodging it.

Deidara's strenght is he can maneuver easily while eating his clay and control the size. And...this is a VERY serious battle and Itachi is right there...Deidara'd use C4 on him right off.
Sasuke and Itachi can't guarantee a tag on Deidara with their MS and neither can Kakashi no less. Remember when Deidara was dodging lots of Gaara's sand which intercepted Amaterasu? He's fast.
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i think it the piercing with the chidori that does most of the damage or else many of the charcter that have been hit by hit would have died from the insides being fried. i think if he just touched himself with out piercing he could disarm the c4.

It wouldn't reach his insides...

[M3J]

Gaara isn't in Akatsuki, therefore he shouldn't be mentioned. You guys were focused on Gaara and Sasuke and the Amaterasu vs. sand thing....

[Zatono]

I'm to lazy to go into detail on who'd win, but I have to say that both Susano'o's would be useless with Hungry Ghost around. He'd just run up to it and absorb it, and I'm pretty sure Amaterasu wouldn't stop him. Sure, other members of Team B can try and stop him, but the Pain bodies plus the rest of em can help him out.

[Rikudou King]

No, it wouldn't. We're talking millions upon millions of bombs in the air. A chidori nagashi wouldn't get anywhere NEAR all of them. It'd get some, but one breath would take too many in. Sasuke would only have to worry about the bombs near his nose and mouth. Cover those two, And it won't matter what he breathes in. Once they touch the lightning chakra, They'll no longer be bombs, They'll just be tiny clumps of clay in his system.

[Lightsnake]

Sasuke would only have to worry about the bombs near his nose and mouth. Cover those two, And it won't matter what he breathes in. Once they touch the lightning chakra, They'll no longer be bombs, They'll just be tiny clumps of clay in his system.
Sasuke didn't even know what C4 did until he inhaled the bombs in. He's not A and can't make a chakra shroud. He can't just create a lightning mask and hold it, or use Nagashi to do it completely. Don't ascribe to him abilities he doesn't have

[Rikudou King]

Sasuke didn't even know what C4 did until he inhaled the bombs in. He's not A and can't make a chakra shroud. He can't just create a lightning mask and hold it, or use Nagashi to do it completely. Don't ascribe to him abilities he doesn't have That was then. There's nothing in the OP that's says Sasuke doesn't know about C4. He wouldn't need a shroud, Just using his lightning chakra to electrify the air around his face. It's not that complicated.

[vizardichigo]

Pain > anyone in the Narutoverse EVER beside the Rikkudo Sennin....Sorry i meant Nagato since Pain lost...Nagato is stronger than every ninja that has ever lived in the Naruto world beside the Rikkudo Sennin...So Nagato > all.....So whatever side he is on wins..

[Lightsnake]

That was then. There's nothing in the OP that's says Sasuke doesn't know about C4. He wouldn't need a shroud, Just using his lightning chakra to electrify the air around his face. It's not that complicated.

You have no idea how science with that works, do you? Unless it was one continuous shroud which Nagashi ISN'T, then Sasuke would still be breathing the C4 in as plenty would get through.

Sasuke has not displayed the control over lightning to do what you're suggesting. But hey, can't admit an Uchiha might actually lose to something I see.

[DEATHBOTT]

That was then. There's nothing in the OP that's says Sasuke doesn't know about C4. He wouldn't need a shroud, Just using his lightning chakra to electrify the air around his face. It's not that complicated.

sorry man but i did state that neather team knows the others abilities. but seeing as the sharigan can see chakra as a colour he would be able to see the c4 in the air.

[Lightsnake]

he wouldn't know what it was right away. Seeing chakra does not amount to "AHA! Microscopic bombs that cause celluar damage!"

[SilentBob777]

One question DEATHBOTT, do they have to kill Nagato as well?
btw nice thread :D

[Rikudou King]

You have no idea how science with that works, do you? Unless it was one continuous shroud which Nagashi ISN'T, then Sasuke would still be breathing the C4 in as plenty would get through.

Sasuke has not displayed the control over lightning to do what you're suggesting. But hey, can't admit an Uchiha might actually lose to something I see. The bolt of the Chidori Nagashi look bigger then Sasuke's nostrils are. He wouldn't need a continuous shroud, Just the bolt to hang under his nose to electrify everything breathed in. The Chidori Nagashi last as long as Sasuke wants it to. Sasuke won't lost to someone he has an advantage over.


sorry man but i did state that neather team knows the others abilities. but seeing as the sharigan can see chakra as a colour he would be able to see the c4 in the air. That wasn't said in the OP. Was it in another post?

[Kabi]

I'm kinda confuse with this situation. why would orochimaru be doing in team b if he wants those lovely red eyes his team mates have he will probably be in team A better off. and when it comes to the outcome team A wins why well Pein is there plus Hidan will make the black flames useless especially if he takes i don't know karins blood(ritual baby). and kakuzu alone can take care of team hawk and take care of itachi. why i say this because kakuzu has multiple hearts so any genjutsu will only affect one while the other heart is okay kakuzu just needs to change hearts and send his element clowns to do all the work XD forgot what their called. konan is not useless how people think she is we only seen her what two times and one she was up against her master and two she didn't get any fight scene except for killing konoha fodder nin. and for the fate of sasuke he will probably die by pain because sasuke will probably go after the big fish thinking his all that with a bag of chips.

[DEATHBOTT]

The bolt of the Chidori Nagashi look bigger then Sasuke's nostrils are. He wouldn't need a continuous shroud, Just the bolt to hang under his nose to electrify everything breathed in. The Chidori Nagashi last as long as Sasuke wants it to. Sasuke won't lost to someone he has an advantage over.

That wasn't said in the OP. Was it in another post?

yeah it was. i agree with lightsnake, that sounds a bit farfetched. if you guys are gonna argue about c4 then you should state how every one else came to be dead to allow deidra to use c4 because in rules it says he can't unless all his teammates are dead.

my bad for not putting nagato in the op. he is hiding behind a rock far enough away so he doesn't get dragged into the fight. he isn't allowed to resurrect his teamates.

[e-dog]

I'm kinda confuse with this situation. why would orochimaru be doing in team b if he wants those lovely red eyes his team mates have he will probably be in team A better off. and when it comes to the outcome team A wins why well Pein is there plus Hidan will make the black flames useless especially if he takes i don't know karins blood(ritual baby). and kakuzu alone can take care of team hawk and take care of itachi. why i say this because kakuzu has multiple hearts so any genjutsu will only affect one while the other heart is okay kakuzu just needs to change hearts and send his element clowns to do all the work XD forgot what their called. konan is not useless how people think she is we only seen her what two times and one she was up against her master and two she didn't get any fight scene except for killing konoha fodder nin. and for the fate of sasuke he will probably die by pain because sasuke will probably go after the big fish thinking his all that with a bag of chips.

Kinda had trouble reading that :darn

Anyways I tend to disagree with you... Let me state my arguments :)
I don't see how Hidan would make Amaterasu useless (If that's what you mean by black flames). I think once he's on fire he'll burn and burn and burnnn. You can be as immortal as you want to be, it won't matter- You'll just be an immortal pile of carbon after Amaterasu (Imagine how that'd "feel":p).
Also I also don't see kakuzu defeating Team Hawk + Itachi. Itachi alone would be more than enough for him (Itachi isn't genjutsu only you know... He also has 10/10 in Ninjutsu).
Almost everything about Konan is speculation- We don't know exactly how strong she is- It may be she is not really the combat type and is barely Jounin level since her worst enemy seems to be sticky liquid- Could also be she an S-rank origami-girl.
About Sasuke you are right...(....Or maybe he'll turn to Itachi, try to Chidori him and get bitch-slapped back to position :facepalm).
Nah but seriously, I think Sasuke could be pretty tactical if he sets his mind to it and doesn't fight with so much hatred (Whatever that means :blink)


IT--

[Rikudou King]

Oh, look, another ability you're inventing for Sasuke. Not only has he not shown an ability to create something like that fine in the detail, but there's the tiny fact He'd suffocate under that.

I'll say it again: Sasuke has not demonstrated this kind of control. He does not know about breathing C4 in, Nagashi DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT, either. It doesn't just create a bolt there, it's a brief surge that vanishes.

Stop making things up because you can't stand Sasuke not having an advantage. And no, Sasuke could very easily lose to Deidara if the plot isn't making Deidara stupider than he is and giving Sasuke new abilities or lightspeed How did I invent it? It doesn't have to be fine in detail or anything, Just a running bolt under his nose. Sasuke held it for a while when he went against Team Seven the first time and I haven't read anything saying it was brief. The Chidori Nagashi is generated from the chakra points I would presume and since there are some on his head, There's no reason he shouldn't be able to control where the lightning comes from. Heck, A even simpler way would be to generate the lightning chakra in his hand and just cover his mouth and nose. And chakra doesn't make one suffocate. At least not as far as we've seen. And you say Sasuke wouldn't know what C4 does? Why would it be harder this time for him to figure it out with two other genius on his team, As oppose to him figuring it out on his own before.

Sasuke does have the advantage over Deidara, Regardless of what you think of the plot. Sasuke didn't pull anything in that fight that we didn't know he already had, Aside from having Manda as a summon. He was already a lightning nature and was shown fast long before that. I don't know why you hate Sasuke so much.


yeah it was. i agree with lightsnake, that sounds a bit farfetched. if you guys are gonna argue about c4 then you should state how every one else came to be dead to allow deidra to use c4 because in rules it says he can't unless all his teammates are dead. Mmm. I don't know how I missed that when I reread everything this afternoon. That being the case, Just disregard my idea. There's little chance that Deidara would out survive his allies, So it doesn't matter about C4.

[Lightsnake]

How did I invent it? It doesn't have to be fine in detail or anything, Just a running bolt under his nose.
Which would of course be constant, perfect, suffocating him because oxygen can't travel that way and even a minuscule space would let all the C4 through as it is MICROSCOPIC. Never mind Sasuke has never demonstrated this kind of fine, precise control



Sasuke held it for a while when he went against Team Seven the first time and I haven't read anything saying it was brief.
It was one burst of it. That was it


The Chidori Nagashi is generated from the chakra points I would presume and since there are some on his head, There's no reason he shouldn't be able to control where the lightning comes from. Heck, A even simpler way would be to generate the lightning chakra in his hand and just cover his mouth and nose. And chakra doesn't make one suffocate. At least not as far as we've seen. And you say Sasuke wouldn't know what C4 does? Why would it be harder this time for him to figure it out with two other genius on his team, As oppose to him figuring it out on his own before.

God, you make things up incessantly when an Uchiha is involved.
1. Evidence Sasuke can use Chidori that finely in any extended capacity as you're suggesting? There isn't any
2. Sasuke only figured it out after he saw two uses of it and because he'd inhaled it. If that's fair everyone should know the ins and outs of everyone's secret techniques
3. Electricity right in front of your face would have to cover everything if it wasn't letting C4 in, meaning oxygne couldn't pass through. Even leave a milimeter between it and his mouth, he'd be breathing C4 in without it being deactivated



Sasuke does have the advantage over Deidara, Regardless of what you think of the plot. Sasuke didn't pull anything in that fight that we didn't know he already had, Aside from having Manda as a summon. He was already a lightning nature and was shown fast long before that. I don't know why you hate Sasuke so much.

Sasuke's advantage extends to Deidara fighting like an idiot, using no tactics, being far slower than he'd already proven and wasting chakra like candy, while Sasuke's eyes gain a new ability, he can teleport Shurikens into midair, he can survive giant explosions at point blank despite the loss of oxygen from it being enough to instantly kill a human being...Deidara somehow forgetting he has C4, bunshins that can explode and hey, Sasuke, when out of chakra,, can summon Manda, genjutsu him, jump inside him and then desummon him.
Y'know. After a nuke went off five feet from him

[Rikudou King]

Which would of course be constant, perfect, suffocating him because oxygen can't travel that way and even a minuscule space would let all the C4 through as it is MICROSCOPIC. Never mind Sasuke has never demonstrated this kind of fine, precise control As far as we've seen, Chakra doesn't block oxygen. What "fine and precise control"? He would just have to use it on his head.


It was one burst of it. That was it A burst that lasted for a while.


God, you make things up incessantly when an Uchiha is involved.
1. Evidence Sasuke can use Chidori that finely in any extended capacity as you're suggesting? There isn't any
2. Sasuke only figured it out after he saw two uses of it and because he'd inhaled it. If that's fair everyone should know the ins and outs of everyone's secret techniques
3. Electricity right in front of your face would have to cover everything if it wasn't letting C4 in, meaning oxygne couldn't pass through. Even leave a milimeter between it and his mouth, he'd be breathing C4 in without it being deactivated 1. There's no fine capacity involved. He would just activate it on his face.
2. Sasuke and Itachi can see the tiny bombs and they would know that Deidara's clay explodes. Why would they not be able to figure out what C4 will do?
3. Again, As far as we've seen, Chakra doesn't stop oxygen from going in.


Sasuke's advantage extends to Deidara fighting like an idiot, using no tactics, being far slower than he'd already proven and wasting chakra like candy, while Sasuke's eyes gain a new ability, he can teleport Shurikens into midair, he can survive giant explosions at point blank despite the loss of oxygen from it being enough to instantly kill a human being...Deidara somehow forgetting he has C4, bunshins that can explode and hey, Sasuke, when out of chakra,, can summon Manda, genjutsu him, jump inside him and then desummon him.
Y'know. After a nuke went off five feet from him What? How did Deidara fight like an idiot? Deidara did use tactics. He combo the landmines with air missiles and then triked Sasuke into going after a clone to explode them both. And what speed? Sasuke had already been shown amazing fast beforehand and yet Deidara was still able to dodge him and keep away from him. How did he waste chakra, He had plenty left before he died. I fail to see how he somehow became slower. The Sharingan always had the ability to see chakra, So it's not a big jump to seeing color. The shurikens weren't teleported, Sasuke threw them. And this was hardly the first time someone survived something that in real life should kill them. Deidara used both his C4 and Clay Bunshin. Finally, Sasuke was never out of chakra and he had shown earlier that he could summon incredibly fast. Sasuke didn't desummon Manda, Manda did that on his own after he was hit by the explosion, Which was father then five feet.

[killbill]

Team A will win for obvious reasons..the only strong ninjas in B are Oro and Itachi..Pain and Deidara can take care of them...and Hidan can slaughter the rest of sauske's groupies..kakauza vs Kisame...which kakuza will win because of raiton..

[DEATHBOTT]

Team A will win for obvious reasons..the only strong ninjas in B are Oro and Itachi..Pain and Deidara can take care of them...and Hidan can slaughter the rest of sauske's groupies..kakauza vs Kisame...which kakuza will win because of raiton..

sasuke and sasori say hi. hidan cant make suigetsu bleed and he can't do anything else except be a distraction, im sure with jugos help suigetsu could decapitate him. Elemental affinities don't give you an automatic win, kisame would drown and own kakazu.
[hr]

What extent? All I have implied was him using Chidori Nagashi as he always does except on his head. The only thing about that is an educated guess was the head part.

Ee is completely covered in his lighting chakra. That's the point of it. The Bijuu chakra does cover them all the way. It's like a gel around them. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/231/03/)

Because there was no need for it to be. But there's nothing that says it couldn't be judging by the other Chidori variations.

I said nothing about a shroud. All I have implied was him using it like normal except on his head.

I wasn't talking about the first time. He did detonate the first C4 bombs. Deidara was in danger of the blast wave. Not to mention he was free falling at the moment. Sasuke figured out what was up as Deidara had freed himself from the clay.

Yes, The fact that he never had a chance to switch. We, Along with Team Gai and Team Seven, Were watching his every move once he was discovered. The Byakugan and Sharingan would have seen a switch. The Clay Clone couldn't explode until it had more clay, Which is why he went to the fallen bird. It would have been pointless if it was taken out before it could explode and attempt to take out the two teams, Thus it's reason for wanting to get away from them.

What yelling? It was mere moments that pass between Sasuke getting trapped and Deidara falling. Deidara knew the first C4 wouldn't kill Sauske, Which is why he had set up the second C4 trap. The trap arm didn't stop Sasuke from moving.

They're mines, They can't be placed too deep or else they won't work. They have to be put just under the surface so the targets weight can trigger them. The earth isn't the same as trees or walls.

No, Sasuke threw the shurikens first, Deidara dodged them, Then Sasuke pulled the wires to bring them back in order to get Deidara where he wanted him.

It was real water. From the lake they were on. That's how the water prison works.

The Ame team from the forest of death.

You're saying that because in the real world a person couldn't survive being close to an explosion, This was somehow cheap. But if you apply real world rules to one character, Then you have to apply them to all the other characters. By the rules of the real world, Every fight in Naruto is cheap.

1. I though you were talking about during the C4 incedent, When Deidara said the same thing.
2. He fell down then got back up and ran. That's consider a trip. Also, He didn't avoid it, As it was shown he hurt his leg.

I never said he summoned Manda without handseals, But Sasuke has been shown quick to use them. Sasuke avoid this explosion (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/356/12/) by summoning a snake (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/356/16/), So why couldn't he do it again. See how Sasuke summoned it, He could have did the same with Manda, Who's head would have been in his coils, Giving Sasuke the chance to hypnosis and jump in his mouth in one motion. The blast would have still hit Manda while Sasuke would have escaped the worst of it.

The above post shows Sauske summoning a snake to avoid an explosion. As long as Sasuke summoned Manda before the blast had hit him, The rest of the time wouldn't have mattered.

Again, Sasuke avoid this explosion (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/356/12/) by summoning a snake (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/356/16/), So why couldn't he do it again. Manda is thick enough to block the damage of the explosion from hitting Sasuke. Manda died because of it, But his body kept Sasuke safe.

could you guys create your own sasuke vs diedra rematch thread because your clogging this one up. thanks.

[Agrias]

Cool down guys, no heated arguments over nothing, please.

[Rikudou King]

could you guys create your own sasuke vs diedra rematch thread because your clogging this one up. thanks. Sorry, I stick to the topic from now on.

Pain can overwhelm Team B mostly by himself, With his other teammates providing more confusion and support as he works.

[Delbi]

if you ignore the rules then pain massive shenra tensies them or chibuki tensies them and if that doesn't work diedra c4 them and if that doesnt work he selfdesructs ending in a draw. with out the rules the best team b could hope for would be a draw.

Eh, not really.

For starters, big ST and CT can be stopped by the simple way of killing Deva while he's doing it. With two ninja with Ameratsu, it's a very high possibility that just that will happen.

Also, Deidara can get owned by Sasuke and C4 could kill him outright. If he does the big ol' blast thing, which takes time, he can be killed before he swallows the clay. Also, Orochimaru Triple Rashmon, and two Sussano's might be enough to protect everyone.

In a likely scenerio, Team B can simply overwhelm Team A. Sasori's puppet technique can create enough havoic where Itachi, Sasuke, and Orochimaru can take out Pain with relative ease. The three of them have more than enough to waste him while Sasori and Kisame are fighting Deidara, Kakazu, and Hidan. I'd love to see the expression on Hidan's face when he stabs himself thinking he killed Kisame only to have Kisame not die thanks to Samehada and thus cut him in half lol.

Deidara's bombs are annoying, but Sasori can rape him with the Iron Sand, or Sasuke and Itachi can Ameratsu him and he'd die right off the bat.

And once Kisame starts trolling with his water glob technique shit is gonna be fucking nuts.

Basically what it comes down to is you have 5 people in Itachi, Sasuke, Orochimaru, Kisame, and Sasori who are all very hard to kill, and who all have awesome ways of attacking that can neutralize nearly everyone on Team A's powers, including Pain's.

Like I said, Pain might have been the strongest Akatsuki member, but team B has everyone that is next in line as strongest. He can't hope to defeat the best ninja's in his organization, even with the help he has.

[Diablos]

Seriously? Team B, without a sweat, healthy Itachi? a 4 sec battle, 4 tsukuyomis 1 for pain 1 for kakuzu 1 for Hidan 1 for deidara, and while in tsukuyomi they just get killed by the zerg that is team B I mean its way too unbalanced and you guys give way too much credit to Pain.

Even without Tsukuyomis I would give it to team B, come on, Sasori has more than hundred puppets that guy alone can be troublesome for more than one member of team A, except maybe for pain and Hidan since from what we know he can't be killed, even so he could maybe be trapped inside a puppet like Kankurou does, another fact Kisame with Samehada and lots of chackras to steal from pain LOL, seriously LOL. Then we cant forget a Sannin with one of the biggest arsenal of jutsus seen. I actually consider that the strongest Akatsuki or atleast ones who can serve of more advantage here are in team B, hebi has its uses but, in this battle they would be fodder and honestly not needed. Also Itachi healthy his skills would be unimaginable.

Team B, no sweat.

[Kabi]

Kinda had trouble reading that :darn

Anyways I tend to disagree with you... Let me state my arguments :)
I don't see how Hidan would make Amaterasu useless (If that's what you mean by black flames). I think once he's on fire he'll burn and burn and burnnn. You can be as immortal as you want to be, it won't matter- You'll just be an immortal pile of carbon after Amaterasu (Imagine how that'd "feel":p).
Also I also don't see kakuzu defeating Team Hawk + Itachi. Itachi alone would be more than enough for him (Itachi isn't genjutsu only you know... He also has 10/10 in Ninjutsu).
Almost everything about Konan is speculation- We don't know exactly how strong she is- It may be she is not really the combat type and is barely Jounin level since her worst enemy seems to be sticky liquid- Could also be she an S-rank origami-girl.
About Sasuke you are right...(....Or maybe he'll turn to Itachi, try to Chidori him and get bitch-slapped back to position :facepalm).
Nah but seriously, I think Sasuke could be pretty tactical if he sets his mind to it and doesn't fight with so much hatred (Whatever that means :blink)


IT--

sorry about the rant i didn't have much time to actually pay attention lol. but i understand what you said, the only reason i think hidan will make amaterasu a little to dangerous to use for both uchiha is because of his ritual. remember that if he performed the ritual any attack that he receives would also affect the person that he took the blood from. So if sasuke or itachi cared for their team then they won't use it or at least won't aim it to hidan.

and for the kakuzu comment what i wanted to say is that he can handle hawk member(no sasuke in it) or itachi (alone) not at the same time but in a fight he can hold his ground. Am not saying that itachi is weak just in case, just saying that kakuzu is like orochimaru when it come to the nasty tricks.

by the way i laugh like hell when i pictured hidan the immortal in ashes :p

[DEATHBOTT]

Eh, not really.

For starters, big ST and CT can be stopped by the simple way of killing Deva while he's doing it. With two ninja with Ameratsu, it's a very high possibility that just that will happen.

Also, Deidara can get owned by Sasuke and C4 could kill him outright. If he does the big ol' blast thing, which takes time, he can be killed before he swallows the clay. Also, Orochimaru Triple Rashmon, and two Sussano's might be enough to protect everyone.

In a likely scenerio, Team B can simply overwhelm Team A. Sasori's puppet technique can create enough havoic where Itachi, Sasuke, and Orochimaru can take out Pain with relative ease. The three of them have more than enough to waste him while Sasori and Kisame are fighting Deidara, Kakazu, and Hidan. I'd love to see the expression on Hidan's face when he stabs himself thinking he killed Kisame only to have Kisame not die thanks to Samehada and thus cut him in half lol.

Deidara's bombs are annoying, but Sasori can rape him with the Iron Sand, or Sasuke and Itachi can Ameratsu him and he'd die right off the bat.

And once Kisame starts trolling with his water glob technique shit is gonna be fucking nuts.

Basically what it comes down to is you have 5 people in Itachi, Sasuke, Orochimaru, Kisame, and Sasori who are all very hard to kill, and who all have awesome ways of attacking that can neutralize nearly everyone on Team A's powers, including Pain's.

Like I said, Pain might have been the strongest Akatsuki member, but team B has everyone that is next in line as strongest. He can't hope to defeat the best ninja's in his organization, even with the help he has.

they might be able to stop pain before he does his ultimate attacks but i don't know http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-439/page002.html that looks pretty fast to me. while http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-429/page006.html he is way to high for an effective counter, especially when they don't even know what his techniques are. chances are pretty slim for them to be able to stop it. also amatsuru is not an instant kill. it spreads to slow to kill him before he finishes the attack even if it hits. if we take away the rules out im gonna go with team a for the win most of the time. also i posted a rule against this later on but nagato could possibly resurrect his whole team. don't know if they have to be killed by him or not.

with the rules in place i think sasori's massive amount of puppets would give deva path a run for his money with his 5 second rule. i actually think that the only effective all round fighters on team a are pain and diedra. kakazu is only good one on one imo. remember vs kakashi he not only had hidan on his team but kakashi was protecting his team and hadn't yet used kamui. while he would be a help to team a, he isn't a game changer, while team b have heavy weights like itachi, sasuke, oro and sasori. kakazu is more in the same tier as kisame, while hidan, konan, suigetsu, and juggo are bottom tier and karin is trash tier. with the rules in place im gonna go with 55% of the time team a takes the win. the teams are pretty even imo but because of team b not knowing about naraka pain unless they accidently kill him first, he is gonna bring the dead pains back and they arn't gonna see it coming and get wtfpwnd.

[e-dog]

sorry about the rant i didn't have much time to actually pay attention lol. but i understand what you said, the only reason i think hidan will make amaterasu a little to dangerous to use for both uchiha is because of his ritual. remember that if he performed the ritual any attack that he receives would also affect the person that he took the blood from. So if sasuke or itachi cared for their team then they won't use it or at least won't aim it to hidan.

and for the kakuzu comment what i wanted to say is that he can handle hawk member(no sasuke in it) or itachi (alone) not at the same time but in a fight he can hold his ground. Am not saying that itachi is weak just in case, just saying that kakuzu is like orochimaru when it come to the nasty tricks.

by the way i laugh like hell when i pictured hidan the immortal in ashes :p

Real quick reply... I seriously doubt Hidan has the speed to even come close to Sasu or Ita but you are right, if he can get someone else's blood, then it'll get hard to defeat him, but the person who's blood is in hidan's possession is already screwed and I think Itachi and Sasu would know that and accept that as a necessary sacrifice. They could also try to get hidan out of his ritual-circle...

About Kakuzu, I dont see him getting through an Amaterasu, Susano'o and maybe Tsukuyomi... He is strong- Very strong but I think he (like many others) lack the godmode-power to overcome a MS Jutsu.




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[ninjaman]

if itachi and pein is on 1 team they would auto win. Basho tenin them all into a sea of ametsaru. Chibaku tensei filled with a touch of ametsaru inside.

[mattiaildivino]

I think the team B wins. they are more than the others and pain has to fight just healthy itachi then... except pain,noone of the team A should be able to defeat kisame.deidara might defeat sasori because he has got the c4 now,sasuke and the hawk defeat konan and hidan ecc.