One Piece 576 Discussion / 577 Prediction

[sarutobi_sensei]

Okay so it was an epic chapter, but it's sad to learn that it was Laffite who hypnotized the marines to open the gates :|

[DARK]

HAHAH even a more then 1/2 dead WB took BB down like he was nothing, HAHAHAH what en epic way to go out *RIP* Whitebeard

That was easily one of the best send off of any character in any manga to date, damn can't wait to see what happens next.

I have to say that this chapter EASILY tops the one involving Ace's parting. Hell, this even bested the supposed flashback that we received of Roger's death. I love how Oda uses a storybook persona in regards to the epilogue of Whitebeard's death.
Obviously this chapter deserves a 10+, because no 0-10 scale can ever fully describe its epicness!
RIP Edward Newgate (aka: Whitebeard).

[monkey D luffy]

oh god, were up for something insane in the future, and it seems to me that blackbeard, by relinqushing his former name, is no longer qualified as a D. and he will NOT get to one piece EVER. however it seems like there will come a time where all of the D's on the one piece world will be united against the world government, or in other words, the revolutioneries, and all of the D's WILL destroy the world government and reveal the truth behind all the lies in the world, and then every one will be really free, and luffy will probably lead them all and in the ned he will have the most freedom in the world. it all fits!

[daman246]

this is perfect we hav3e luffys group 9 ppl think vs teach group 8ppl
luffy vs teach
zoro vs warden
nami,robin vs catalina devon
sanji vs lucha guy
chooper vs the giant guy
franky vs drunken guy
ussop vs sharpshooter
brook vs hypnosis guy since brook doesnt have a brain hynosis would probably be impossible



rob

[_AceOfSpades_]

I always suspected that much but "D" is probably a bloodline of former rulers... The ones who got almost eridicated from the past by the "void century". So basically born to be a ruler, duh... I wonder wether Shanks is a D too, since Roger got his D only later... it's possible. I think so because of King's haki...

[sarutobi_sensei]

Fuck I'm more than excited about One Piece right now. I really wanna know!

WB knew, and he was friends with Roger. damn. Epic.

[dark lord]

i have a long term prediction that blackbeard is gonna try to kill luffy .

[kaizoku king]

no no i dont want BB to be luffy last boss to fight he seems to low for that. i knew he was eveil but he is a coward weaklin and everything

[hiken_no_ace]

What an epic chapter. Oda really knows how to kill characters. Trully a fitting end to the World's Strongest Man. Just wished he could have kill someone important, but still he did some serious casualties in the WG and destroyed Marineford.
I think Akainu still lives although BB is already established as the main villain.

The war is finally over. One Piece resumes.

[sarutobi_sensei]

And on the covers we're only missing Carue, Zoro, Chopper and Vivi right? I wonder what will happen on the next chapter.

Will there be a time skip, or will they continue running.

[TheMoa]

I was just happy to see WB owning BB, even in that half-dead state.
This just shows how powerfull WB was and that BB isn't that stronger.... yet

And this epic arc finally comes to a end...

[neoman]

Damn why had WB and Ace have to die, I liked them, man that was Luffys Bro.

I think after 2 chapters the time skip will come and show the situation for the other crew Members.

[slippy]

why are people saying the arc is over? i'll wait till luffy and the whitebeard pirates are miles away from marineford before i say that

and i'm glad we finally know how the gates of justice opened for Luffy's ship, it's been in my mind for a while.

flashbacks were nice too. i liked how young and happy whitebeard looked and the meeting he had with roger was a good teaser....or bad? either way, it made me intrigued

[kh2masta]

And on the covers we're only missing Carue, Zoro, Chopper and Vivi right? I wonder what will happen on the next chapter.

Will there be a time skip, or will they continue running.

I dont really think there will be a huge timeskip if they have one. i think a few months willl pass only.

[anime-addict]

so, ACE's death is not confirmed yet ... a very very tiny possibility that he's alive

although it'll be a letdown to make ace alive after such ending

it reminds me of pell in arabasta arc .. we thought that he died ... but not

[slippy]

so, ACE's death is not confirmed yet ... a very very tiny possibility that he's alive

although it'll be a letdown to make ace alive after such ending

it reminds me of pell in arabasta arc .. we thought that he died ... but not

he's obviously dead lol

[dark lord]

so, ACE's death is not confirmed yet ... a very very tiny possibility that he's alive

although it'll be a letdown to make ace alive after such ending

it reminds me of pell in arabasta arc .. we thought that he died ... but not

no its confirmed WB wouldnt be talking about ace's will if he isnt death .

[kkck]

OMFG!@#$%^&*(
This chapter is so awesome I have no words to describe it. It is just pure win from every point of view.

[Sachsenhesse]

so laffite is really brooks opponent... ^^

l: i´m gonna hynotize you, 1 2 laffite!
B: oh no i´m hypnotized... i got no eyes! yohohoho!

[DARK]

I was just happy to see WB owning BB, even in that half-dead state.
This just shows how powerfull WB was and that BB isn't that stronger.... yet

And this epic arc finally comes to a end...

Yes, the ending kinda gave clue to how much of a "monster" Whitebeard was. He was able to stand up to hundreds of gunshots, slash wounds, and cannonballs. He had half of his face burned away and yet his power nor resolve never faltered even for a second.
For a "monster" like Whitebeard, Blackbeard had no choice but to act cowardly and order 7 other soldiers to shoot and slash him.

[Waxy]

What an arc! Sets things up perfectly for the New World. Oda is in top form!

[Drmke]

This was one hell of a chapter! Amazing!! I fell in love with One Piece all over again. But enough of my nonsense...

So Blackbeard's actually are the ones to kill Whitebeard. Now their names will be known throughout the entire pirate world, and I'm sure the WG will give them high bounties. I wonder what they did to Magellan? But at least now we know have the Gates of Justice were opened. Almost forgot about that completely.

But the best part about this chapter was the talk about the will of D. I can't wait till we get more info on that though it could take forever... There is probably something about it on the Poneglyphs since they record forgotten history or whatever. Which nicely ties Robin's dreams in with Luffy's dreams since I'm positive that will become important to finding One Piece.

Speaking of One Piece, now the whole world will be after it once again. Since it seems a lot of pirates gave up on it as fantasy, most will believe it truly exists since Whitebeard screamed it out. That means the New World is gonna be one awesome place. So excited :D

[chess4]

Chapter is out on Mangastream!
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/576-65/1



Three if one counts Thatch's death as an act of war, considering how the entire scuffle between WB Pirates and the WG was practically started through his death. Not to mention that Whitebeard personally takes Thatch's death as an act of vengeance when he fights against Blackbeard.



The World Government may have not any real "casualties," but they lost a lot during this battle. Three of their Shichibukai defected. One of the Admirals is currently unconscious. The staff at Impel Down is considered incapicitated at the moment. And let's not forget to mention the COUNTLESS number of Marines that were killed, knocked out, or defeated when this battle started.

you mean 2, i dont think smoker will snithc on boa. he seems likean honorable guy. he knows what that would mean for te kuja land

[TheMoa]

why are people saying the arc is over? i'll wait till luffy and the whitebeard pirates are miles away from marineford before i say that


I said that this was the arc end, not the last chapter. This history is "over", everybody will run for it and a few little fights will happen, but is just it, IMO.

[CBlitz]

wow two deaths in one arc...Oda seems to like having things hit the fans these days. So now the WB pirates will retreat, and what will Blackbeard do? Is he gonna fight the World Government by himself? Anyway I suspect Luffy will have some major beef with BB after this, indirectly killed Ace and WB

[YoungHova]

this is perfect we hav3e luffys group 9 ppl think vs teach group 8ppl
luffy vs teach
zoro vs warden
nami,robin vs catalina devon
sanji vs lucha guy
chooper vs the giant guy
franky vs drunken guy
ussop vs sharpshooter
brook vs hypnosis guy since brook doesnt have a brain hynosis would probably be impossible



rob

The blackbeard crew has 10 members u forgot burgess and doc

[kanmati]

BLACK BEARD SO SUCKS! COWARD! WEAKLING S**T.i dont want him to be the last villain.

other candidates:
-Dragon (favourites!! to be last villain) i hope he is evil and also carried the name of D.
-Government
-Kaidou
-other yonkou

[k-dom]

I think we will have some retreat chapters. Also, Blackbeard and his crew have to escape the marines too.
I wonder if Sengoku has realised that the connection with Saobondy has been put on again when he says 'you bastard' to Whitebeard

[chess4]

i cant wait to see where oda goes from here. judging by the cover pages we had nami and luffy, then usopp and sanji, now brook, franky and robin. so that leaves chopper and zoro.

hopefully the chapter after next shows us what the strawhats are doing

[BlackHair]

That's not exactly true, Shanks comes to mind. We don't know how strong Shanks really is, but they did do a little sparing match and their haki split the heavens practically.No that was not a match. Also before stating Shanks as the next strongest, I want to see him beating his former rival.


I don't consider BB as coward cause they gangbanged WB, but cause he didn't rly do anything. Beside pulling the strings, which never was his original plan. Also he begged like a pussy, he truly is unworthy to be the finale foe. However seeing how everyone hates him, makes me think that BB plays his evil part very well.

WB last words are EPIC, even more than Roger's imo.

[Drmke]

hopefully the chapter after next shows us what the strawhats are doing

That's what those cover stories were for. I just want them to get back together after this. Luffy passed out and when he wakes up they are all together. Maybe 2-3 chapters of them doing stuff to get there while Luffy is out, or Oda showing us what's going on in the world after this incident.

[chess4]

BLACK BEARD SO SUCKS! COWARD! WEAKLING S**T.i dont want him to be the last villain.other candidates:
-Dragon (favourites!! to be last villain) i hope he is evil and also carried the name of D.
-Government
-Kaidou
-other yonkou

but still their names will grow since they are the crew who gave the killing blow to the legendary monster whitebeard

[Ero-Sanji]

Abalo Pizaro's eyes reminded me of the slave list from way back. One of the tribes or races was named snakeneck, could he be one of them?

[Razh]

I like it how Whitebeard told Blackie that he's not "one of them".

Hell, it's one of the best chapters in manga, and none of the main cast are actually in it, aside for that one panel of fainted Luffy. That tells a lot.

[chess4]

That's what those cover stories were for. I just want them to get back together after this. Luffy passed out and when he wakes up they are all together. Maybe 2-3 chapters of them doing stuff to get there while Luffy is out, or Oda showing us what's going on in the world after this incident.

i think luffy will be taken out of the spotlight for a while. i think oda will switch the focus back to the other members getting back together and what they have been doin since their last cover arcs.

[_AceOfSpades_]

well, actually... Through WB's death the WG wanted to put an end to pirates... but thanks to the broadcast... I guess you can consider the plan to be a fail.... even though WB died ... As people already mentioned, it's Roger's execution all over again lol I wonder how Luffy will recover his spirits after Ace's death though... he seems pretty down...

[Drmke]

i think luffy will be taken out of the spotlight for a while. i think oda will switch the focus back to the other members getting back together and what they have been doin since their last cover arcs.

That's a distinct possibility, and Luffy will definitely be out for a while, but showing each character making their way back would be extremely repetitive. Maybe showcasing them getting back and hearing the news about Luffy (if they don't already know), and hopefully, highlighting some other characters like the other Supernovas (Law :tem).

[kanmati]

but still their names will grow since they are the crew who gave the killing blow to the legendary monster whitebeard

they will, but not strong enough to be last villain. BB loss balls begging not to be kill(like a shit), not enough be last villain.

[slippy]

is this what blackbeard meant by 'rocking the world'? killing whitebeard and making his name the biggest in the pirate world? or is their more to his plan? i've always underestimated blackbeard but maybe he has more in stored

[sarutobi_sensei]

so, ACE's death is not confirmed yet ... a very very tiny possibility that he's alive

although it'll be a letdown to make ace alive after such ending

it reminds me of pell in arabasta arc .. we thought that he died ... but not

Well, him being on the ground on the marines side, doesn't really go on his favor :S


I like it how Whitebeard told Blackie that he's not "one of them".

Hell, it's one of the best chapters in manga, and none of the main cast are actually in it, aside for that one panel of fainted Luffy. That tells a lot.

True I liked that too :D


i think luffy will be taken out of the spotlight for a while. i think oda will switch the focus back to the other members getting back together and what they have been doin since their last cover arcs.
If luffy is out of the manga for a while I wouldn't mind. we need to know the status of the other Strawhats. Well we do know that Robin most likely is now with Dragon and the RA.

I also wonder if WB's corpse will fall into the ocean.

[BlackHair]

Well the happening in MHQ is not over yet. Wondering how BB will escape after the mess he created. I don't think they can put a fight against the MHQ. Not to mention Garp is still there and BB was the one who captured him. Hopefully Oda will develop sth in that direction. I rly want to see my last living favo character to do some action.

[Gats]

chess4...the wager, will you take Luffy's face ? Ace is dead !

The chapter was awesome !

[dark lord]

the panel with luffy tells a lot too mainly because he is the one whitebeard is talking about and only luffy is carrying ace's will .

[Zehahaha]

WB dying pose kinda remind me of Raoh's pose in Hokuto No Ken...
Hope that the body of Ace and WB won't go to Vegapunk for some twisted experiences

[PaLLl]

those who have D. are rares..
I believe As Luffy and As Dragon are good ones...
because of the thrase - "Those who came to fight for this world"

[zerocooldx]

I'm quite speechless at the moment. Whitebeard died in a very epic way, and just like Roger he too will have undoubtably influenced countless to become pirates with what he said before dying. I personally think that this is the end of the war, in the sense that the next chapter will probably take place after the war has ended. And there even might me a small time skip of sorts as well to transition into this even newer pirate age. But the talk of The Will of "D" a world wide war and One Piece definitely sparked a lot of interested in me. Can't wait for next week.

[nawar]

I just have to say it!! I have to!!

Oda you friggin genious!!! in one chapter he made Whitebeard a true hero! the whole amount of wounds and scars, but not a single one on his back!

and the died standing up! briljant!

BB getting his ass whooped, just magnificant!

hell I dont even care about the whole hypno thingy that openned the gates for luffy!

thanks oda!

[Naruffy]

"A grand battle that engulfs the entire world is coming"

Wow, One Piece just gets better and better as it progresses. I found myself reading that page over and over again. Oda is setting up what could be the best Manga ending ever.

"Not a wound of retreat scars it"

The translators also did an amazing job btw

[masubiladin]

OK! guys! there u have it . the war ended with whitebeard and ace dead. luffy is mentally broken. Blackbeard crew is stronger. Comfirmed one piece does exist.
And now is the thing that i am wondering. just whats gonna happen after this.
Luffy... is gonna regret this for the rest of his life
One yonkou dead. Who is gonna become yonkou?

[Muhbaer]

This was the best chapter I've read in my whole life.
The shining of the phenomenon whitebeard with his own purpose in life, his only goal, he achieved that and did what only a man with the will of D. could have done - although he is not one of them makes it even more awesome - creating a new era with the allurement of romance - one piece.

"A scar on the back is a disgrace for a swordsman" - Roronoa Zorro

The talking scene with Roger was awesome, as was Whitebeards enlightenment that Teach is not on of "them".

I'm simply intoxicated by this chapter - Oda...you're the best..

[Razh]

I am a little disappointed that Whitebeard didn't send all of BB pirates flying with one swipe, but after considering it a little, this is even better. It was like with Shanks, Luffy and Zoro in the bar.
As if he didn't even think highly enough of them to even fight them. He offered no resistance and yet they couldn't even make him fall down, even when dead. That, my friends, is what I call EPIC.

This chapter really had so much in it. We got to see Roger and we got to see that him and Whitebeard were actually friends, even though Whitebeard kept calling him "that bastard". We got another hint of the mystery of One Piece and an epic last speech which makes one feel like this is a beginning of the manga.
I pity those Supernovas if they left before they could hear the speech.

Oh yeah, it seems as Doc Q has some kind of pendulum scythe for a weapon. Just sayin'. Can't imagine how it would fit in that shroud.

Also, I'm somewhat disappointed by the lack of a secret ally in the control room, but at least it makes sense.

[jromz03]

looks like Moria has a chance to zombiefy ace since his body has been left behind. (http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/576-65/7)

though its nice for the marines to cover ace, as respect I guess.

[BlackHair]

"A scar on the back is a disgrace for a swordsman" - Roronoa ZorroNice quote and well fitting to WB!

The part with the control room is rly disappointing. To think Oda would pull a hypnosis, well I consider this as ass pull. Nevermind though, he gave WB a well fitting and epic last moment.

[Naruffy]

It's so funny how Blackbeard was begging for his life when Whitebeard had him pinned down, it really shows his true character; weak and highly dependant on his devil fruit. When Luffy does fight him, I can see him punching out Blackbeard without his powers in a similar way.

[masubiladin]

yeah i agree.
One piece keep getting better and better.
anyone consider when is luffy gonna wake up? cause i dont see any hints at all now.

[Bugzee]

What an incredible chapter! Beautiful!

I'm thrilled to see that we got a flashback of WB & Roger drinking sake and talking about Raftel, D & so on. :tem We got some more insight to the mystery/history lol of the will of d. BB wanted WB to tell him more but it was too late for that....

I loved it when WB attacked BB. The baka thought he was invincible.

He only wanted family in the end! :crying

[beastboy]

My Opinion:
The battle was won by the marines, but the war was won by the WB pirates...
The WB last words did the exact opposite of the marines purpose:
Make of Ace and White Beard an example for those who oppose the WG.

And now lets wait for the narrator saying something like:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/1/01/

with some small exchanges...
But how will we call the next era??

[Moogle Mango]

Well sure, WB lost half his face...

But BB took a full on earthquake to the head and neck area, how did he survive that?

WB, you are the most awesome pirate.

[zerocooldx]

Nice quote and well fitting to WB!

The part with the control room is rly disappointing. To think Oda would pull a hypnosis, well I consider this as ass pull. Nevermind though, he gave WB a well fitting and epic last moment.

I don't see Lafitte using hypnosis as anything even remotely close to an ass pull. Blackbeard perfectly set up the Marines, just like he intended to do so all along from the very beginning. Blackbeard clearly put an enormous amount of time into planning this. And hypnosis fits Lafitte's personality and personal almost perfectly. Being a "mime" would have probably made it 100% perfect. But i always envisioned him possessing some type of an ability like hypnosis or mind control or casting illusions.

[masubiladin]

The next era call "The era of D". also as beastboy was saying .

The battle was won by the marines, but the war was won by the WB pirates... i think that was the coolest way of thinking yo! and here i thought that the pirates was lost but in another way of thinking they won.

[redred]

so laffite is like a more useful version of jango lmao. i found that to be the funniest realization for me :P

Whitebeards flashback was really the best part of the chapter aside from his death. The whole Raftel and "D." speech was really something :D

[dark lord]

BB isnt a D or what .
does that mean the Ds are nice guys .

[Drmke]

BB isnt a D or what .
does that mean the Ds are nice guys .

His name is still D, far as I know, but he doesn't have the same qualities as Roger did or the people he spoke of. He uses cowardly techniques to get what he wants.

[masubiladin]

BB isnt a D or what .
does that mean the Ds are nice guys .
no. he is a D. But i think there are also types of D u know what i mean... its just oda didnot open that secret YET!
[hr]

His name is still D, far as I know, but he doesn't have the same qualities as Roger did or the people he spoke of. He uses cowardly techniques to get what he wants.
in another words he is a noob D:eyeroll:eyeroll

[_AceOfSpades_]

D as in "Dream" for example...
Both Luffy and BB believe in dreams
the D doesn't say anything about the ways which you use to achieve them -__-
That's why Luffy and BB are exactly the same but exatly the opposite...

[mr.danly]

Well sure, WB lost half his face...

But BB took a full on earthquake to the head and neck area, how did he survive that?

WB, you are the most awesome pirate.

well we already know that BB has ridiculous stamina and endurance from his fight with Ace.

But anyways, this was an incredible chapter. Absolutely incredible, and a chapter worthy enough for WB's death. Loved the scene with WB and Roger, loved the fact that he shat on BB with little effort even while ridiculously wounded and sick. Loved the little revelation about the D's, a small hint of what's to come. Loved his final speech. Loved pretty much everything about this chapter, just wish Luffy had been awake to hear and witness this incredible event.

[johnnyb7]

Epic, I had figured that Blackbeard would show up, epic ending to the arc. I'm guessing one of three two things will happen next chapter.

1) Skip to show what happens to the rest of the strawhat crew
2) They will show the pirates taking Luffy back, treating his wounds, and perhaps the burial of Ace

another possibility is....

3) Blackbeard will fight the rest of the pirates (I don't think he'd do this though, he already accomplished his goal)

[masubiladin]

... the will of D is the will of a person to achieve that dream? .
wonder luffy still wanna the person that have the most freedom or... revenge to the WG. and if he wants to revenge ... i am sure as hell he will kick their ass nicely (with haki of course).

[dark lord]

His name is still D, far as I know, but he doesn't have the same qualities as Roger did or the people he spoke of. He uses cowardly techniques to get what he wants.

i think he is a fake D his precedessors probably just tried to claim they are Ds the real ones are meant to carry the will .

[Lunatic Scream]

Blackbeard showed up at the end of the ruckus, trying to look tough. Thinking he could take Whitebeard's head and become the new World's Strongest Man, he charged a greviously injured Whitebeard with his quite powerful Devil Fruit Power.

...and Whitebeard made him look like a BITCH. Slammed his ass down, called him a phony, made him beg for his life, and he had to call his crew of captains down to get the job done. All the "silver medalists" of Roger's era finally take down Whitebeard.

But you know what? In my opinion, Whitebeard was a pirate king. He accomplished his dream, and I daresay we may see a new era, sparked from his death.

[Bugzee]

So Laffite was the one who opened the gates lol. I'm dissppointed in that. :darn

I like how masubiladin put it as: "The era of D". :)

[Shiro-kun]

Oda revealed a portion of it , not the entirety of it but its good for now

Im glad Whitebeard mentioned it before he died along with Confirming One Piece for the people who doubted its existence (one of the reasons why the age of dreams was slipping) and also right after saying to BB "that your not one of them" than shoot to shots having Jinbei carrying Luffy away

[Gol.D.Roger]

Oda is a master at the top of his game. What great story telling. He is a genius plain and simple. Awesome chapter and a great way for WB to go out. Love the part about no wounds on his back.

I wonder if Garp knows what WB/Sengoku/Roger knows, because if he does than he should stand with WB/Luffy/Ace/Roger, because he is also a "D"

[Drmke]

i think he is a fake D his precedessors probably just tried to claim they are Ds the real ones are meant to carry the will .

That might be the case, but then again, didn't Whitebeard or Roger say something about the actually bloodline of D being completely gone though some people still carry on the legacy? I mean Luffy isn't actually related to Ace so they probably don't come from the same lineage no matter how far back you go.

And Blackbeard may not be a "true" D, whatever that might actually mean, but he is still one of the few real dreamers like Luffy left in the world. His tactics are more like real pirates anyway. Him and Luffy are so much a like its scary.

[gold349]

great episode, great stiring speech by WB, like Roger he'll be inspiring any number of pirates to continue for one piece...pissed sengoku off all good.

Ace body still laying there, I thought he was taken, oh well he and WB can drink to this battle were ever they may be lol even though they lost they have left others with there dreams, Luffy.

[Razh]

i think he is a fake D his precedessors probably just tried to claim they are Ds the real ones are meant to carry the will .

I don't think he's a fake D. They can't be all the same. He just doesn't have the "will of D". Instead of living his life to the fullest, risking it for his beliefs, he's been hiding and scheming, waiting to get a certain fruit. What if he never found it? Does it mean he would never make his move?

That's why he can never be the same as Whitebeard, Shanks, Ace or Luffy. He'll probably never forget Whitebeard's words. He's not fighting for the world, he's fighting for himself. I don't even know why he wants to become a pirate king.

[masubiladin]

Grap is a D but he dont have a same dream.
About luffy as the pirate king!!! so in order to be so he need to be stronger than whitebeard(i means stronger than wb when he was strong, healthy and all) but look at whitebeard when he with all those wound and age...he can fight off admirals. Theres no telling what can he do when hes strong!

[dark lord]

That might be the case, but then again, didn't Whitebeard or Roger say something about the actually bloodline of D being completely gone though some people still carry on the legacy? I mean Luffy isn't actually related to Ace so they probably don't come from the same lineage no matter how far back you go.

And Blackbeard may not be a "true" D, whatever that might actually mean, but he is still one of the few real dreamers like Luffy left in the world. His tactics are more like real pirates anyway. Him and Luffy are so much a like its scary.

WB said their flame never extinguishs its the will they may have diffrent names i think its not about the lineage .
though i still dont get why roger said to rayleigh im not dying .

[LG4Lyfe]

I think the only reason oda probably killed off one of the 2 most popular characters in one piece was first because killing ace would help luffy grow more in the future. But with whitebeard its kind've a good thing because if whitebeard did survive and wanted to be pirate king could luffy beat someone that matched up to roger? Shakky said rayleigh was 100x stronger than luffys crew o_o. Dont take what im saying the wrong way whitebeard is one of my favorite characters. And currently

[iloveonepiece]

lol the giant on BB's side didn't get a shot at WB. he must be upset!

Also the Corrupt king dude, he has an gattling gun!!

While I loooove this chapter. I am a bit skeptical about the character design of some of those new villains. Most of them look horrible and unlikable. Most of the villains in the past has some sort of charisma. but I don't see any in this bunch. *maybe except Shriyuu.

[evozoku]

So just a few things:

The D. - Was Whitebeard saying that Teach is unworthy of the initial, or that he's a fraud, and not actually of the bloodline (it sounded like all D's have a certain characteristic, and Blackbeard is lacking it, maybe giving himself away to WB as a fraud).

Do you think BB personally knew a lot of these pirates? Had he been planning to organize a rescue of old, like-minded friends? Hell, him and Caterina Devon look like they could be siblings. And all the new crew members look fairly old.

King Abalo Pizarro - Does he have a past connection to the World Government? He says, as he's overlooking the situation, that it takes him back. Back to being part of the WG, back to fighting battles, or if he was a king and never a pirate, perhaps his kingdom battled the WG and that was the reason for his imprisonment?

[masubiladin]

hes not dying because every is remembering him as pirate king!

[Franckie]

Wow. It's been a long time since I've seen Oda write epic fail. BB's reason for invading Impel Down makes little sense. Here's two possibilities that could have done with the scenario.

Scenario One:

Go to any MHQ base Take one of their ships Sail to Impel Down

Scenario Two:

Wait for a Shichibukai to be demoted Hope for big bounty to cross your path before a new Shichibukai is elected Become Shichibukai Wait for MHQ to call him in on official business Steal a marine ship from the most heavily guarded MHQ base Sail to Impel Down

Somehow one of these seems simpler to come up with, easier to put to practice, and less dependent on chance. After all, any MHQ warship can cross the Calm Belt and Lafitte once sneaked into MHQ unnoticed.

If BB loses his title after this arc, I'm afraid of what will happen for the second half of One Piece. BB losing his title along with the current revelation is epic fail of writing I normally expect from other authors such as Kubo and Kishimoto.

[_AceOfSpades_]

Wow. This chapter was an epic fail of Oda as a writer. BB's reason for invading Impel Down makes little sense. Here's two possibilities that could have done with the scenario.

Scenario One:

Go to any MHQ base Take one of their ships Sail to Impel Down

Scenario Two:

Wait for a Shichibukai to be demoted Hope for big bounty to cross your path before a new Shichibukai is elected Become Shichibukai
Wait for MHQ to call him in on official business Steal a marine ship from the most heavily guarded MHQ base Sail to Impel Down

Somehow one of these seems simpler to come up with, easier to put to practice, and less dependent on chance. After all, any MHQ warship can cross the Calm Belt and Lafitte once sneaked into MHQ unnoticed.

nono , they don't need a marine warship
I think it's a wrong translation
Lafitte hypnotized the marines, so the gates would open to any ship.

[zerocooldx]

Hmm this may be a bit off topic but i wonder if the covers of the chapters suggest that the OP pirates are finding each other and getting back together.

[caliboy]

I think its a nice touch, that during WB's speech, Luffy was unconscious the entire time. Again he does not know anything about the Will of D, he doesn't hear that One Piece in fact exists. Luffy will have to figure these things out for himself, even though the world knows better.

[masubiladin]

Not OP pirates. strawhat pirate

[Naruffy]

i think he is a fake D his precedessors probably just tried to claim they are Ds the real ones are meant to carry the will .

What Whitebeard said wasn't that Blackbeard wasn't a D. but that he wasn't one of the people that Roger was waiting for, by that I think he meant that Blackbeard isn't on the grandline to be free (As Luffy said to Rayleigh, the PK isn't the person who conquers the Grand Line, but is the most free), Blackbeard hasn't displayed these qualities which is why he is not a true "D" Things aren't always meant to be interpreted literally.

[Franckie]

nono , they don't need a marine warship
I think it's a wrong translation
Lafitte hypnotized the marines, so the gates would open to any ship.
Blackbeard would still need a MHQ warship. Impel Down is located in the Calm Belt.

[dark lord]

Hmm this may be a bit off topic but i wonder if the covers of the chapters suggest that the OP pirates are finding each other and getting back together.

no they look too happy .

[LG4Lyfe]

Why does everyone call BB a coward now because he ganged up on Wb. Dont underestimate BB remember he gave shanks the 3 scars on his eye before he got his devil fruit. Also about the will of d thing "the men that roger waits for" and also he says "those who came to fight for this world, a grand battle that will engulf this entire world" does that mean roger is waiting for a certain D's to come together and have a war with the WG. Also he says "those who carry the will of roger and now have also come to carry the will of the late ace" They always say the will of "D" lives on in luffy. But who will carry Ace's will? Well this is just a few of my thoughts abd predictions but you never know what will happen next oda does amazing things :D

ODA WHAT WILL HE THINK OF NEXT???:blink

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

That's one of the best One Piece chapter i ever read. That was a nice ending for WB, best death ever.

RIP WB

[beastboy]

Well... I could see an epic poem written about this story... I could try a bit but I can only write rimes in portuguese :(


No there is only one thing missing for this arc to be better than water 7... wich is the final mini-arc.. with reactions, fun, party, new crew member...

[Naruffy]

Why does everyone call BB a coward now because he ganged up on Wb. Dont underestimate BB remember he gave shanks the 3 scars on his eye before he got his devil fruit. Also about the will of d thing "the men that roger waits for" and also he says "those who came to fight for this world, a grand battle that will engulf this entire world" does that mean roger is waiting for a certain D's to come together and have a war with the WG. Also he says "those who carry the will of roger and now have also come to carry the will of the late ace" They always say the will of "D" lives on in luffy. But who will carry Ace's will? Well this is just a few of my thoughts abd predictions but you never know what will happen next oda does amazing things :D

ODA WHAT WILL HE THINK OF NEXT???:blink

We're calling him a coward because of how he was so cocky that WB wouldn't be able to harm him without his powers and then begged for his life when WB brought him down.

[dark lord]

Why does everyone call BB a coward now because he ganged up on Wb. Dont underestimate BB remember he gave shanks the 3 scars on his eye before he got his devil fruit. Also about the will of d thing "the men that roger waits for" and also he says "those who came to fight for this world, a grand battle that will engulf this entire world" does that mean roger is waiting for a certain D's to come together and have a war with the WG. Also he says "those who carry the will of roger and now have also come to carry the will of the late ace" They always say the will of "D" lives on in luffy. But who will carry Ace's will? Well this is just a few of my thoughts abd predictions but you never know what will happen next oda does amazing things :D

ODA WHAT WILL HE THINK OF NEXT???:blink

more like a pirate crew sounds to me . also marco said that luffy carries ace's will isnt that obvious

[_AceOfSpades_]

Blackbeard would still need a MHQ warship. Impel Down is located in the Calm Belt.

uh, sry I missed the point... the Tarai current doesn't save one from the calm belt, yeah.
Well, I think being a Shichibukai made it possible to catch the marines off guard, so it made things easier, getting a warship as well. Even if BB had another possibility...
I still think that Oda is far from being an epic fail as a writer ^^'

[DEATHBOTT]

how is oda gonna top this epic death of whitebeard. i don't think he can make luffy as epic as this. goddamn it oda you've written yourself into a hole. whitebeard just wanted a family..... shit thats the most epic thing i ever read. epic!!!!!!!

[masubiladin]

Even without the devil fruit wb still have the amazing strenght. But luffy... can he use gear second to fight with bb?

[Bugzee]

On the third page (http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/576-65/3) it looks like San Juan is wearing the ID prisoner uniform, right? Fricking hell they actually have a size for him! Or more likely, they had to specifically order one for San Juan’s size! LOL!

This chapter had a few clear panels solely dedicated to the new members of the BB crew; so who do you think is the least ugly-looking one??? Lol I say Abalo…:barf

I believe Sengoku’s expression on the last page says it all. I believe Sengoku knows a fair amount about the will of d. & OP, even more so Garp! OP & those who carry the will of d. are a huge threat to the WG...aarrrrggh I want to know damn it! WHY!? What is it! :darn

Maybe, Sengoku wanted WB half dead but still alive so they could torture/punish him until he spits out more information about OP…? hmmm I don't that would've been the case but still just a thought. :tem

[Gimbo TJ]

Hahahaha simply EPIC chapter :onoz

WB slaped BB like he was a little shit brat who made in his panties.
Thank God(Oda) for that :worship

This really shows us how far from the top BB still is.
WB's woobing and speech about the "D" totally managed to destroy the respect I had for BB :dance. Now I just cant wait to see Luffy make BB his bitch without showing him mercy.


Im just HYPER right now :D

...oh and simply gotta luv Buggy for showing this to the entire world :D

[Bugzee]

Gimbo your not the only one who's hyper dude! :D

I agree. BB has a sh*t load more to learn. WB was still too much for him! Imagine if WB was in full health infront of BB! That would've been a sight to see! Epic pwnage would've been BB's fate/destiny! lol

[Zatono]

One question. WHERE ARE THE ADMIRALS. BB just basically said "I'm a pirate again! Zehahahaha" Kizaru should of gave him a light speed kick to head by now.

[Sachsenhesse]

Well now we know why some of wbs crew are having the tatoo on the back, when they would ran away, it would go straight through the tattoo.

Based on that... BB´s death will be mostly happen because of his cowardness... something will stab into his back und then his old WBmark will be pierced and the last thing we see from BB was the happy grinning smile on his back called WB.

[sindergi]

Even without the devil fruit wb still have the amazing strenght. But luffy... can he use gear second to fight with bb?

I dont think that Luffy´s DF will be a great advantage against BB....after all BB can nullify the power of DF.
I think the key for Luffy to defeat BB will be his haki......at least someday when he master it - and since i think that BB will Luffy´s final enemy he has enough time to master it :D
Maybe Luffy can resist BB´s DF with his haki so that he is able use his DF-Power against BB.

And btw. who else thinks that Oda doesnt know at this point what the "Will of D" is :D I think he has not decided yet :p

[_AceOfSpades_]

It's ironical that BB is one of those fools he put down that much
Isn't he relying on his DF ability as well...?
He sure is strong, but his actual strenght is nothing unheard of.
I wonder whether some of those people he recently recruited are gonna backstab him... It's quite dangerous to recruit people who might turn out to be too strong ^^'

[Bugzee]

One question. WHERE ARE THE ADMIRALS. BB just basically said "I'm a pirate again! Zehahahaha" Kizaru should of gave him a light speed kick to head by now.

lol

That's because Kizaru is sh*tting himslef right now! That's why. :D

Akainu should thank WB for owning him otherwise I feel that he would've received the same fate as Hannyabal! Remember??! :grin

[Franckie]

uh, sry I missed the point... the Tarai current doesn't save one from the calm belt, yeah.
Well, I think being a Shichibukai made it possible to catch the marines off guard, so it made things easier, getting a warship as well. Even if BB had another possibility...
I still think that Oda is far from being an epic fail as a writer ^^'

Even Shichibukai are forbidden to enter Impel Down. Although exceptions can occur as was the case with Hancock, she was still subjected to a body search and encased in seastone cuffs. BB being a Shichibukai wouldn't cause MHQ to lose their guard, especially since many of MHQ's higher-ups don't trust them to begin with. "Once a pirate, always a pirate" is their motto.

Things will go from bad to worse if BB is stripped of his title after this arc. 3 more Yonkou exist. We know one of them, Shanks, hates BB's guts, and the other 2 Yonkou will be weary of BB since if they don't know already, they'll learn soon enough Whitebeard was killed by the BB Pirates (it was on television for crying out loud). BB won't be able to get through the New World on his own and it'll take too long within the manga's timeframe for BB to create a crew that rivals that of the additional Yonkou. Furthermore, losing his title means the WG will be on his ass.

I don't think Oda fails at plot telling, but even the best authors have their moments. Unfortunately, a decent amount of authors never escape the cycle of fail and the manga goes downhill as a result (e.g. Bleach). I or any other fan would expect Oda to keep his plot coherent, especially since this arc is the climax that will drive the plot for the remainder of the series.

[Bugzee]

BB, Doflamingo & Croco-boy are in a league of their own imo. I wonder if Dofla will attack BB & co!? It would be cool if Dofla tries/attempts to cut off one of San Juan's or Basco's limb like he did against Oars Junior...:smile-big

[Freid]

this chapter totaly shows why wb is a monster for any that wasent impressed in the previoius chapters. 267 slashes and stabbings. 562 bullets. 46 cannons....

and is it only me that wanted wb to kill bb.... and i dnt knw but it sounded like wb was forshadowing an epic battle royale at the end of the manga and not neccessarily the cummon 'luffy vs ____' theory ... i think it would be even better if its more like a battle royale at the end with the world at total caos rather than the same 'luffy vs ___' fight. im sure by the end of the manga we would have gotten bored of that kind of set up and would appreciate something different

and quite frankly i would be dissappointed if bb was the final villain in the manga if there was going to be one. in my own opinion it doesnt seem like he could do much with his darkness power and seems like we have seen the extent to it. i can never be able 2 see bb becoming as strong as the late wb which wud be dissappointing if luffy was going to have 2 face him as a final opponent...

[Lee-tyme7]

I would say Law, Kidd or Capone have the best chances of becoming a Shichibukai in the future that is. :)

What?! The supernovas as Shichibukai? No, they will not become allies with the Marine as we just saw them a couple of chapters ago talking about the Battle. Some were angry about the Marine spreading lies about WB betraying his Nakamas. Bonnie even cried for WB and we know Drake is an ex-Marine so he won't be going back. We also know Law, and Kidd are after the one piece just like Luffy. So in a way they are into the dream era like the strawhats and not for the new era crap. Therefore I don't see them becoming shichibukai.

[Bugzee]

@ Lee-tyme7 - If you read the whole post and read the post I quoted you'll understand more clearly what I meant by that. :)

[dark lord]

Even Shichibukai are forbidden to enter Impel Down. Although exceptions can occur as was the case with Hancock, she was still subjected to a body search and encased in seastone cuffs. BB being a Shichibukai wouldn't cause MHQ to lose their guard, especially since many of MHQ's higher-ups don't trust them to begin with. "Once a pirate, always a pirate" is their motto.

Things will go from bad to worse if BB is stripped of his title after this arc. 3 more Yonkou exist. We know one of them, Shanks, hates BB's guts, and the other 2 Yonkou will be weary of BB since if they don't know already, they'll learn soon enough Whitebeard was killed by the BB Pirates (it was on television for crying out loud). BB won't be able to get through the New World on his own and it'll take too long within the manga's timeframe for BB to create a crew that rivals that of the additional Yonkou. Furthermore, losing his title means the WG will be on his ass.



why he just got 4 strong captains probably silver medalists .

[_AceOfSpades_]

Unfortunatly we don't know about the other two Yonkou's source of strength. If it turns out that they're DF users, then it shouldn't be too big of a problem for BB. I'm afraid that after this war BB is going to stand above an ordinary "Yonkou" I'm also worried about the people in his own crew. The only reason BB is able to hire strong people is because he is strong himself. In case somebody spots another flaw or weakness in BB's DF ability, then BB might have a problem... I am especially talking about the people he just recruited...

[Shiro-kun]

Basically Oda just confirmed that obtaining One Piece would not end the manga haha , the secrets of One Piece will lead up to final sundering of the world (than to the end of the manga)

I just wander even more so what it is!

[Franckie]

why he just got 4 strong captains probably silver medalists .

4 strong captains don't do BB any good since the other 2 major powers - the Yonkou and MHQ - have plenty of them too in reserves. The Yonkou and especially the WG will be on BB's case if stripped of his title. Better for BB to keep the title he spent the past 300 chapters to obtain since it'll keep the WG off his ass and he can use MHQ's resources to smash the 3 remaining Yonkou.

[Andonan]

OMG THIS CHAPTER IS IMMENSE.....

It also answers sooo many questions actually.

A) there is some sort of ultimate obstacle that obstructions you from reaching Raf (the final island)
B) D is basically a bloodline, i think it might be a community or something, but that's what I took from WB's last words.
C) WB was the Pirate king of the new age, as far as I'm forever concerned
D) Teach is such a dead man hahahahha

:D

RIP WB you are forever one of the most incredible characters to ever be written in any manga :D

[masubiladin]

omg.!! Franckie think that bb will be able to smash the remaining yonkou?
I know that every thing is unexpected but smash Shank is a little too much

[Andonan]

All I can say is Rodger must have been the biggest monster to even tie with WB my god i just can't believe how incredible this manga is.....

[Franckie]

omg.!! Franckie think that bb will be able to smash the remaining yonkou?
I know that every thing is unexpected but smash Shank is a little too much
How did you come up with this idea? BB can't deal with the 3 remaining Yonkou (as in the Yonkou + crew) on his own. He lacks the manpower for that. Allying with the WG though would give BB the resources he needs to greatly improve his odds of safe passage to Raftel, especially since the WG will be off his back.

[dark lord]

4 strong captains don't do BB any good since the other 2 major powers - the Yonkou and MHQ - have plenty of them too in reserves. The Yonkou and especially the WG will be on BB's case if stripped of his title. Better for BB to keep the title he spent the past 300 chapters to obtain since it'll keep the WG off his ass and he can use MHQ's resources to smash the 3 remaining Yonkou.

you could imply that to luffy's case and he is entering the NW soon.
besides he said he doesnt need a shichi status

[Lunatic Scream]

Even Shichibukai are forbidden to enter Impel Down. Although exceptions can occur as was the case with Hancock, she was still subjected to a body search and encased in seastone cuffs. BB being a Shichibukai wouldn't cause MHQ to lose their guard, especially since many of MHQ's higher-ups don't trust them to begin with. "Once a pirate, always a pirate" is their motto.

Things will go from bad to worse if BB is stripped of his title after this arc. 3 more Yonkou exist. We know one of them, Shanks, hates BB's guts, and the other 2 Yonkou will be weary of BB since if they don't know already, they'll learn soon enough Whitebeard was killed by the BB Pirates (it was on television for crying out loud). BB won't be able to get through the New World on his own and it'll take too long within the manga's timeframe for BB to create a crew that rivals that of the additional Yonkou. Furthermore, losing his title means the WG will be on his ass.

I don't think Oda fails at plot telling, but even the best authors have their moments. Unfortunately, a decent amount of authors never escape the cycle of fail and the manga goes downhill as a result (e.g. Bleach). I or any other fan would expect Oda to keep his plot coherent, especially since this arc is the climax that will drive the plot for the remainder of the series.

I think you are underestimating Blackbeard's new crew. It already rivals that of a Yonkou if these are people that were in competition with Roger.

As for Blackbeard needing to be a Schichibukai... it does give him easy access to a Marine HQ ship. You say he could have stolen one, but then he'd be highly pursued by Marines, and probably tracked. The chances of him actually getting to Impel Down with a stolen Marine ship as a wanted criminal seem kinda unlikely. If it were THAT easy to steal a Marine ship for easy traversing of the Calm Belt, I imagine many, MANY pirates would have done it by now.

Edit: He'll also NEVER have to face more than one Yonkou at a time. The Yonkou do not work together, period. The only chance of that was WB and Shanks, and well... not a possibility now, for obvious reasons.

[Razh]

Things will go from bad to worse if BB is stripped of his title after this arc. 3 more Yonkou exist. We know one of them, Shanks, hates BB's guts, and the other 2 Yonkou will be weary of BB since if they don't know already, they'll learn soon enough Whitebeard was killed by the BB Pirates (it was on television for crying out loud). BB won't be able to get through the New World on his own and it'll take too long within the manga's timeframe for BB to create a crew that rivals that of the additional Yonkou. Furthermore, losing his title means the WG will be on his ass.

Things certainly aren't as bad as you're making them out to be. Also, it's not important whether WG strips Blackbeard or not. If you haven't noticed Blackbeard doesn't need the title any more (http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/576-65/6). Anyway, he's a traitor. Jinbei was stripped from the title for a lot less. Or am I wrong perhaps?

Things will go worse after Blackbeard gets stripped. Yeah, good luck with that prediction.
There's a lot of different things that could happen after this battle. Emperors could start will competing more than before after the imbalance after Whitebeard's death. Then there are tons of other crews in New World. Blackbeard can get there like any other pirate. Or maybe he won't go to New World just yet. Anyway, what makes you think that other emperors won't be weakened as well? Their crews probably weren't as big as Whitebeard's.
Blackbeard could have a lot of sympathizers in New World. Not everybody liked Whitebeard. Also, I doubt it that Blackbeard's plan spanned only until Impel Down. He did say that he had planned everything out.

WG and marines will have other things to worry about after the battle. Like restoring their HQ and 2 other most important bases, sending all those officers to their previous positions and dealing with attacks of Revolutionaries. We know that there was at least one, in East Blue. And boy they would be stupid not to take advantage of the present situation in which most of the marine power is concentrated in Marineford.

I can't help but comment on you calling this development an "epic fail" before. Yeah, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you know what? Opinion is like an ass. Everybody's got one...:(

[_AceOfSpades_]

omg.!! Franckie think that bb will be able to smash the remaining yonkou?
I know that every thing is unexpected but smash Shanks is a little too much

Really? I wouldn't say so. There is no need to idolize Shanks. He's great and all - but even he considers BB to be a threat. BB is definitely able if not defeat Shanks then giving him a hard time. Even if BB is crazy, he isn't a fool. He doesn't aim for the top for no reason. But true, he might be getting ahead of himself here... His arrogance is definitely gonna cost him his head, just as WB said...

[gh0un]

And btw. who else thinks that Oda doesnt know at this point what the "Will of D" is :D I think he has not decided yet :p

He most probably doesnt know.
He most probably hasnt even decided what the one piece is.
Thats how writing a long story works though. Nothing wrong with that.

Anyone who believes that an author can plan 600 chapters in advance dreams a dream.
If you go back and reread stuff, its pretty obvious that many things are created on the spur of the moment.

Some things are planned a little further ahead some things a little less.
What counts is the outcome.
As long as it is not some kind of bullshit, its fine.

[masubiladin]

How did you come up with this idea? BB can't deal with the 3 remaining Yonkou on his own. He lacks the manpower for that. Allying with the WG though would give BB the resources he needs to greatly improve his odds of safe passage to Raftel, especially since the WG will be off his back.
oh my mistake. i didnot read carefullyy. but the WG will not forgive bb for what he done though. so it is impossible for him to go against the other yonkou. because shanks as far as i know his swordskill is not relying on anything kind of devil fruit

[_AceOfSpades_]

He most probably doesnt know.
He most probably hasnt even decided what the one piece is.
Thats how writing a long story works though. Nothing wrong with that.

Anyone who believes that an author can plan 600 chapters in advance dreams a dream.


Really? Thank you for telling me that I'm dreaming.
Of course Oda didn't have planned out all the details... but I do think that he got the basic concept that involves the main plot all planned out. ... That's why I DO think that he knew from the beginning what he did when he included the "D" in Luffy's name.

[-Ren Boy-]

Brief Eulogy
I stand her today to speak to you about the death of Edward Newgate. On first look this man could intimidate anyone, but deep down inside Edward was a lovable person, only yearning for more people to come into his family. He was a great father, if it were not for him possibly some of his sons could be doing something negative and it his beauty that changed all of them. So forgiving that man was even when attacked by a son, but deep down he could not be angry for he had love people could swim in for his sons. Unfortunately Edward was a hot head, and his stubbornness got him into trouble, but if it were not for his stubbornness more people would have been wounded and that's why you have to love such a man will be willing to take a bullet for you, literally. People I stress not to be sad because as his sons he would not want us to cry but to be grateful of life and the family he has formed, so I would like to pour some liquor for Edward Newgate
Rest in piece(pun) home dawg

[masubiladin]

can u tell me when he is hot head and stubborn?

I stand her today to speak to you about the death of Edward Newgate. On first look this man could intimidate anyone, but deep down inside Edward was a lovable person, only yearning for more people to come into his family. He was a great father, if it were not for him possibly some of his sons could be doing something negative and it his beauty that changed all of them. So forgiving that man was even when attacked by a son, but deep down he could not be angry for he had love people could swim in for his sons. Unfortunately Edward was a hot head, and his stubbornness got him into trouble, but if it were not for his stubbornness more people would have been wounded and that's why you have to love such a man will be willing to take a bullet for you, literally. People I stress not to be sad because as his sons he would not want us to cry but to be grateful of life and the family he has formed, so I would like to pour some liquor for Edward Newgate
Rest in piece(pun) home dawg

[-Ren Boy-]

risking his life is an act to save lives can be considered stubborn, and also when he attacked shanks lool

[Mr. Crocodile]

4 strong captains don't do BB any good since the other 2 major powers - the Yonkou and MHQ - have plenty of them too in reserves. The Yonkou and especially the WG will be on BB's case if stripped of his title. Better for BB to keep the title he spent the past 300 chapters to obtain since it'll keep the WG off his ass and he can use MHQ's resources to smash the 3 remaining Yonkou.

You really think 4 strong captain don't help BB at all?? are u serious?? Let me give u an example here..what made WB so powerful besides his huge crew? His commanders of course..Marco, Ace, Jozu, Thatch, Vista and i would say that there's a reason why this pirates are called legendary soo.. San Juan Wolf, Catarina Devon, Basco Shot, Pizarro, Shiryuu. That's 5 vs 5 and i would think that they are in part with them and if you add the other 4 BB members who might also be on par with the lower commanders they would be more than a match for them...obviously their captain is not as strong as WB so they wouldn't last that long but no one is as strong as WB not even the other yonkous, they are pretty strong indeed but unless an entire yonkou pirate crew including the captain(maybe Shanks' crew) goes after BB then he shouldn't have much trouble in the New world. And as far of the marine goes they would need at least two admirals to take on his crew..and with one of them KO'd and MHQ collapsing i don't think they have the time to pursue a single pirate crew. The world government might also have other forces but you mentioned that they had them in reserve now how would you know that? as far as we know CP9 was probably one of the best they had, although that was a secret agency and there's also that mysterious science unit, but I still think they might have something else so i'll give u that.
So basically my point is that unless a single force puts all or almost all of their resources against the BB pirates there's no way they can be taken out in their entirety at this point. So your argument about Oda's "epic fail" writing is ludicrous, I just thought I should assess your little comment since i think no one else here's thinks the same thing you do.

EDIT: It seems everyone's already flaming u lol.

[_AceOfSpades_]

risking his life is an act to save lives can be considered stubborn, and also when he attacked shanks lool

attacking shanks was pretty much an act, he was covering for ace. Ace was being a hothead here, and not WB

[Franckie]

you could imply that to luffy's case and he is entering the NW soon

Luffy will be getting help from Shanks, the 11 Supernovas, the Revolutionaries, and whatever fodder Oda can come up with. BB doesn't have such a luxury at his disposal.


I think you are underestimating Blackbeard's new crew. It already rivals that of a Yonkou if these are people that were in competition with Roger.

I think you're overestimating BB's new crew. Half of them are useless right now since any high-tier fighter can one-shot at least half of them.


As for Blackbeard needing to be a Schichibukai... it does give him easy access to a Marine HQ ship. You say he could have stolen one, but then he'd be highly pursued by Marines, and probably tracked. The chances of him actually getting to Impel Down with a stolen Marine ship as a wanted criminal seem kinda unlikely. If it were THAT easy to steal a Marine ship for easy traversing of the Calm Belt, I imagine many, MANY pirates would have done it by now.

It's not like Lafitte wasn't able to sneak into MHQ unnoticed. You think Lafitte would have any trouble sneaking into Impel Down and making arrangements for BB to enter? It's also not that hard to find a MHQ warship. Any MHQ warship can sail through the Calm Belt. It wouldn't be that hard to capture one and hypnotize the crew to keep their cover from being blown.


You really think 4 strong captain don't help BB at all?? are u serious?? Let me give u an example here..what made WB so powerful besides his huge crew? His commanders of course..Marco, Ace, Jozu, Thatch, Vista and i would say that there's a reason why this pirates are called legendary soo.. San Juan Wolf, Catarina Devon, Basco Shot, Pizarro, Shiryuu. That's 5 vs 5 and i would think that they are in part with them and if you add the other 4 BB members who might also be on par with the lower commanders they would be more than a match for them...obviously their captain is not as strong as WB so they wouldn't last that long but no one is as strong as WB not even the other yonkous, they are pretty strong indeed but unless an entire yonkou pirate crew including the captain(maybe Shanks' crew) goes after BB then he shouldn't have much trouble in the New world. And as far of the marine goes they would need at least two admirals to take on his crew..and with one of them KO'd and MHQ collapsing i don't think they have the time to pursue a single pirate crew. The world government might also have other forces but you mentioned that they had them in reserve now how would you know that? as far as we know CP9 was probably one of the best they had, although that was a secret agency and there's also that mysterious science unit, but I still think they might have something else so i'll give u that.
So basically my point is that unless a single force puts all or almost all of their resources against the BB pirates there's no way they can be taken out in their entirety at this point. So your argument about Oda's "epic fail" writing is ludicrous, I just thought I should assess your little comment since i think no one else here's thinks the same thing you do.

BB's crew would lose to WB's crew, Shanks' crew, any other Yonkou's crew, or MHQ because they're still heavily outnumbered. The 3 major powers - Yonkou, Shichibukai, MHQ - are treated as armies, not as several insanely powerful individuals.

[LongLiveOnePiece]

Just finished the chapter..Now serioulsy,how much more epic can this arc get???FFS..i m in love with WB,everything he does is perfect.
earlier this day before reading the spoilers i wanted to predict that roger before his death would inform WB about OP.I m pretty dissapointed i missed my one and only chance to predict OP because i was bored /sigh

So Lafitte did the job huh?unexpected indeed

[Lunatic Scream]

I think you're overestimating BB's new crew. Half of them are useless right now since any high-tier fighter can one-shot at least half of them.


How do you know this, again?


L
It's not like Lafitte wasn't able to sneak into MHQ unnoticed. You think Lafitte would have any trouble sneaking into Impel Down and making arrangements for BB to enter? It's also not that hard to find a MHQ warship. Any MHQ warship can sail through the Calm Belt.


Again, if it's not that hard to get a MHQ Warship, why haven't more people done it. Being able to sail in the Calm Belt would make the journey through the Grand Line substantially easier.

[BlackHair]

Wow. It's been a long time since I've seen Oda write epic fail. BB's reason for invading Impel Down makes little sense. Here's two possibilities that could have done with the scenario.Given the information we have now, I have to agree with you. Oda gave BB rly a cheap reason to become a Shichi. I was one of those who always thought that BB allied with the WG to protect his ass from WB's wrath.

However about calling Od's writing as epic fail, I have to defend:


Scenario One:
Go to any MHQ base
Take one of their ships
Sail to Impel DownWell you are making this way too simple. We are not talking about toilet paper, it's a damn battleship. I don't think you can actually steal one without anyone noticing. Also it seems you need a certification to open the gates, even if you are one a battleship (which makes sense, otherwise there would have been some1 else so far who actually tried to break in), which Laftite managed to get by using hypnosis (now this is sth I call ass pull by Oda). To get to go to the control room you must have been a ally otherwise you would have caused a ruckus.

[SuperShuter]

I think this would be a great way to end the arc alltogether and not to go into blackbeards escape or fight against the marines and to just overcap it in a news review or a character talking about it. Hopefully oda does this i can imagine they have aces body and they will have a funeral. I don't think oda will go into each characters WHOLE story and hopefuly when they next show off their new powers it will overcap what they got up to in 1 chapter or so i think onepiece should start to move on quick and luffy has been seperated long enough.

Also im not sure about luffy and how he will be after this you nether know he could give up on everything for the time being it will ge intersting how oda portrays luffy character in taking loss it would be great to finally see a flashback of what happened to him as a kid cause it looks like he doesn't recal his father and something might have happened to his mum.

Instead of luffy meeting his crew one by one it is a really good idea to say if luffy meets all his crew altogether in fishermans islands or before it cause luffy has a really big crew lol you nether know he might have to find his nakama again say like in the reverse order to which he found them although i think one piece should move on a bit quicker seeing as its took nearly 600 chapters to get half way lol

[Sherlock Holmes]

I loved how Whitebeard's death backfired on the world government as he mimicked Gol D Roger's death.

[Lunatic Scream]

Also it seems you need a certification to open the gates, even if you are one a battleship (which makes sense, otherwise there would have been some1 else so far who actually tried to break in), which Laftite managed to get by using hypnosis (now this is sth I call ass pull by Oda). To get to go to the control room you must have been a ally otherwise you would have caused a ruckus.

Well, Lafitte is probably the stealthiest character in the series. And while I'll agree HIS ability to use Hypnosis comes a bit out of left field, it's not the first time Hypnosis has been in the series... I wonder if he has ties to Jango.

[LongLiveOnePiece]

Thanks for the translation.
-The new Blackbeard pirates attacking with small pistols/swords - what's that all about ?

I believe that their way of attack in that pic is more poetic than realistic.Oda wanted to show his cheap death not the means that did that( the pistols)

[DARK]

Basically Oda just confirmed that obtaining One Piece would not end the manga haha , the secrets of One Piece will lead up to final sundering of the world (than to the end of the manga)

I just wander even more so what it is!

More so than that, Oda revealed that there will be a "grand battle" that the World Government is unable to cover up. Hence, through this chapter, we're a bit closer to solving the mystery of the Blank Century and the Will of D.

[gh0un]

Really? Thank you for telling me that I'm dreaming.
Of course Oda didn't have planned out all the details... but I do think that he got the basic concept that involves the main plot all planned out. ... That's why I DO think that he knew from the beginning what he did when he included the "D" in Luffy's name.

If you reread from the beginning, you will see that roger was always called gold roger from the authors pov.
Not until much later (after he established the d story in his head) did he start to call him gol d roger in those author pov explanations.

Yes you are being naive if you think that was planned from the beginning.

Im also a story writer and i can tell you, writing stories, most of the time, is a very dynamic thing.
A basic concept is all you start with, but thats already pretty much it as far as planning ahead goes.
You cant risk putting that much time/money/effort into "just" planning a story ahead.
If the story flops and isnt selling well you are essentially screwed. All your effort gone to waste.

Life isnt as forgiving as you make it out to be.
From a financial standpoint alone it is impossible to plan any further than a basic concept.
But i also said that this is how story writing works.
Nothing wrong with that, it lies in the business.

[Igniel]

Teach outsmarting the Marines & WG...wow. Didn't expect that from his character. I also wonder if WB was ever able to divulge to Ace or even Luffy, however brief their encounter, what the "D" in their names mean as told to him by Gol D. Roger.

Anyway, I think it may be tough to flee at this point given the WB crew will be heartbroken in addition to all the injuries. Not to mention a fully healthy BB crew fighting for their own agenda currently. The only thing going for Luffy & Co. is the great sundering of the island created by WB.

[BlackHair]

O yea' I forget, given the hypno-crap you don't rly need to be a ally to get to the control room. As a invader you would have pulled it also easily with hypnosis. That's why I hate this ability in any kind of storytelling. This is so cheap, you can pull out every damn trick with ease. Rly the easiest way of story telling; aka Aizen.

[hdiuy]

Awesome chapter , i kinda liked the fight between BB and WB though i felt that it could have be a bit longer . WB is like superman, he could tank bullets and cannons. Wow just wow ,WB must have some kind of super haki defense or some really hard skin.

One question, when WB slammed BB to the ground was WB using his quake abilities? Cause i was kinda of confused since there was the 'circle' drawn around WB's hand.

[BlackHair]

One question, when WB slammed BB to the ground was WB using his quake abilities? Cause i was kinda of confused since there was the 'circle' drawn around WB's hand.Yes he did use his quake ability. The ground broke apart near BB also in the following panels you can see him bleeding out of his mouth.

[Franckie]

How do you know this, again?

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/440/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/544/18/


Again, if it's not that hard to get a MHQ Warship, why haven't more people done it. Being able to sail in the Calm Belt would make the journey through the Grand Line substantially easier.

Again, here's two possibilities that could have done with the situation.

Scenario One:

Go to any MHQ base Take one of their ships Sail to Impel Down

Scenario Two:

Wait for a Shichibukai to be demoted Hope for big bounty to cross your path before a new Shichibukai is elected Become Shichibukai Wait for MHQ to call him in on official business Steal a marine ship from the most heavily guarded MHQ base Sail to Impel Down

Somehow one of these seems simpler to come up with, easier to put to practice, and less dependent on chance. After all, any MHQ warship can cross the Calm Belt and Lafitte once sneaked into MHQ unnoticed.


Given the information we have now, I have to agree with you. Oda gave BB rly a cheap reason to become a Shichi. I was one of those who always thought that BB allied with the WG to protect his ass from WB's wrath.

I initially assumed the reason he wanted the title was for its privileges and such. The title is too useful for BB to give it up at this point in time. He'd get fame, the WG would be off his back, he'd have time to assemble much needed manpower, and like Kuma, BB would get access to nifty toys as long as he pretended to listen to the WG. Once safe passage to Raftel is secured though, BB would ditch the title since he'd no longer need it.


However about calling Od's writing as epic fail, I have to defend:
Well you are making this way too simple. We are not talking about toilet paper, it's a damn battleship. I don't think you can actually steal one without anyone noticing. Also it seems you need a certification to open the gates, even if you are one a battleship (which makes sense, otherwise there would have been some1 else so far who actually tried to break in), which Laftite managed to get by using hypnosis (now this is sth I call ass pull by Oda). To get to go to the control room you must have been a ally otherwise you would have caused a ruckus.

BB just showed how certification to open the gates wasn't difficult for him. He's also already waited 20 years to put his plans into action. He wouldn't have much trouble making preparations to break into Impel Down, especially since BB is patient and calculating. Heck, even if he didn't want to wait, he could just assault Enies Lobby. Luffy was able to do that when all the CP9 were called back (first time they saw each other in how many years?), BB shouldn't have a single problem punching through them.

[Lunatic Scream]

O yea' I forget, given the hypno-crap you don't rly need to be a ally to get to the control room. As a invader you would have pulled it also easily with hypnosis. That's why I hate this ability in any kind of storytelling. This is so cheap, you can pull out every damn trick with ease. Rly the easiest way of story telling; aka Aizen.

It's not really the same as Aizen at all. Oda didn't write a completely different scenario in the manga and then reveal it to be completely false and go "SURPRISE!". He just left that as a question, and now has filled it. Obviously it's the less well-written of the two mysterious Gates of Justice openings. (Bon-chan T_T)
[hr]

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/440/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/544/18/



Again, here's two possibilities that could have done with the situation.

Scenario One:

Go to any MHQ base Take one of their ships Sail to Impel Down

Scenario Two:

Wait for a Shichibukai to be demoted Hope for big bounty to cross your path before a new Shichibukai is elected Become Shichibukai Wait for MHQ to call him in on official business Steal a marine ship from the most heavily guarded MHQ base Sail to Impel Down

Somehow one of these seems simpler to come up with, easier to put to practice, and less dependent on chance. After all, any MHQ warship can cross the Calm Belt and Lafitte once sneaked into MHQ unnoticed.


You are completely missing my point. You're trivializing the difficulty of stealing a Marine Ship. If it was THAT easy, someone would have done it. There are far stronger pirates than Blackbeard in the New World, you're telling me no one thought of stealing a MHQ ship?

And as for the whole crew thing, are you completely ignoring the Roger-era Yonkou level pirates he just recruited? Seriously?

(Magellan's power is kind of a unique case, I don't think you can use it as an argument that BB is weak, and in Shinryuu's own words, Blackbeard severely underestimated him in that encounter.)

And yeah, I guess Burgess and Auger (and we can assume Auger will be matched against Usopp, so he can't be THAT strong) not being able to keep up with the third strongest fighter in Whitebeard's crew makes them all worthless.

[jiminy]

the marines have Ace's body (not sure if this was already mentioned), I was hoping that the WB pirates would have it.

Great chapter, awesome way for WB to go out, I was slightly envisioning a scene like how Jiraiya died (falling into the deep deep ocean), but this was epic, especially how nothing scared the pride that he had on his back.

[DARK]

O yea' I forget, given the hypno-crap you don't rly need to be a ally to get to the control room. As a invader you would have pulled it also easily with hypnosis. That's why I hate this ability in any kind of storytelling. This is so cheap, you can pull out every damn trick with ease. Rly the easiest way of story telling; aka Aizen.

Really, giving Lafitte the ability to hypnotize the Marines for a quick escape and somehow break out of Impel Down without any reprimands is a complete deus ex machina in itself.
I'm not really impressed by Blackbeard's plan; I'm more or less surprised that the World Government AND the Whitebeard Pirates actually fell for it.

[Aphalite]

Lafitte was only able to hypnotize and manipulate the weakling marines who operated the gates because the stronger people who would normally be in charge there were too busy guarding the headquarters, thus we can assume that obtaining a battleship under normal circumstances (ie: when all of the strong marines are not relocated into once spot) would be impossible, so Franckie, your point is moot

[hdiuy]

Yes he did use his quake ability. The ground broke apart near BB also in the following panels you can see him bleeding out of his mouth.

Thanks, i find it weird that WB could use his quake abilities despite BB's fruit. Unless of course BB didn't activate it >_>

[Zatono]

Thanks, i find it weird that WB could use his quake abilities despite BB's fruit. Unless of course BB didn't activate it >_>

I'm more surprised that BB can tank the quakes after taking a slash.

[JetPistol]

I prefer if Busco shot was named (Ta-)Basco Shot :D
I'm pretty satisfied with this weeks chapter, he closed it out nicely. WB had no scars of retreat on his back panel is <3 lol

[Franckie]

You are completely missing my point. You're trivializing the difficulty of stealing a Marine Ship. If it was THAT easy, someone would have done it. There are far stronger pirates than Blackbeard in the New World, you're telling me no one thought of stealing a MHQ ship?
You are completely missing my point. BB would not have trouble stealing a ship. Any MHQ warship would do. Sengoku didn't know BB stole a ship right under his nose until said ship arrived at Impel Down. Furthermore, nobody had a clue on how they got through the Gates of Justice until Lafitte's explanation. BB has also shown little trouble penetrating MHQ strongholds. How many times do I have to repeat the fact that Lafitte sneaked into MHQ once unnoticed?

For all we know, other pirates have stolen MHQ warships before but never had a reason to break into Impel Down. (Pirates seem to have a tendency of sinking them in Whitebeard's case.) That's also not the issue at hand here. The question is how easy BB would have breaking into Impel Down without the Shichibukai title, and from what we've seen, BB would have little trouble making preparations to do such a thing.


And as for the whole crew thing, are you completely ignoring the Roger-era Yonkou level pirates he just recruited? Seriously?

(Magellan's power is kind of a unique case, I don't think you can use it as an argument that BB is weak, and in Shinryuu's own words, Blackbeard severely underestimated him in that encounter.)

And yeah, I guess Burgess and Auger (and we can assume Auger will be matched against Usopp, so he can't be THAT strong) not being able to keep up with the third strongest fighter in Whitebeard's crew makes them all worthless.

Half of BB's crew was defeated by Ace and Magellan. It's irrefutable they're still not strong enough to compete with any high-tier fighter. We still don't know how strong BB's additional recruits are as compared to top-tier fighters save Shiryu. That also doesn't change the fact that BB is still heavily outnumbered. Do you think any of the Yonkou would have any problems with BB and company? Do you think MHQ would have any problems with BB and company? Fuck no. It's because the other major players have plenty of high-tier fighters to spare in their own ranks.

[masubiladin]

ok i was think about strawhat crew vs bb crew, i would be like this.
bb vs luffy(obviously)
shyriuu vs zoro
corrupt king abalo pizarro vs franky
cresent moon hunter vs namii
van auger vs ussop(use range att)
Doc Q vs chopper(well... both are docters)
Laffite vs brooke ( same appearance and have some kind of power such as hypnotize and sleep-sleep song of brook)
jesus burgress vs robin(i know i know . it doesnot make any sense. remember the time robin fight some dude on skyisland?)
the giant that look freaking big will gonna vs the next nakama of strawhat

[jamjamstyle]

Anyone a idea what the marine will do with Ace's body?

http://i47.tinypic.com/2rn7au1.jpg

I hope not that Vegapunk will use it...

[Bugzee]

First Jango and now Laffite with the stupid hynoptism. :facepalm Well, at least Laffite doesn't solely rely on it as much as Jango did lol.

@ JetPistol - Ta-Basco Shot! :lmao Nice. :Gaipose

[jimm120]

Lafitte was only able to hypnotize and manipulate the weakling marines who operated the gates because the stronger people who would normally be in charge there were too busy guarding the headquarters, thus we can assume that obtaining a battleship under normal circumstances (ie: when all of the strong marines are not relocated into once spot) would be impossible, so Franckie, your point is moot

This is what I'm thinking of this whole "shikabuki" (or whatever you call it) title thing:

It was needed because

1 - Distracted the Marines BIG TIME.
2 - Made it easy to get access to Impel Down
3 - Made it easy to penetrate Impel Down


Those 3 reasons are enough.

Just imagine.

1 - Having to steal warship? Ok, could happen. But everyone would notice and would go after them. Much harder to get to Impel Down with WG after you. Plus, stealing the Ship is easier if there aren't any strong guys on it.

2 - Easy to attack Impel Down without others noticing. No reinforcements were sent to Impel Down because it was all concentrated somewhere else.

3 - Easy to penetrade Impel Down. No reinforcements = easier time to get down there and then back up.

4 - Luffy himself had already caused a huge ruckus and a huge blow to Impel Down's internal defensive schemes. This, in turn, also helped BB a lot. It gave him a powerful ally. It gave him knowledge (that same ally). It gave him a weakened Impel Down.

5 - Made escaping with those prisoners much easier. Getting out of Impel Down would have been hell because by the time anyone got out, it'd been locked down by the WG. It wasn't now because of the headquarters fiasco.




So, in essence, it wasn't the Shikabuki title, but more so the situation of "weakening" and distracting the World Government enough to make his plan be a success.

[HikaruYami]

Anyone a idea what the marine will do with Ace's body?

http://i47.tinypic.com/2rn7au1.jpg

I hope not that Vegapunk will use it...

Oh shit oh shit oh shit you're RIGHT. I hope to god that ordinary Devil Fruits leave your body after you die.... If Ace becomes a mera mera cyborg, he will be the next-to-final-boss for Luffy TT_TT

[Bugzee]

No no no! No more cyborg theories! Please. Ace cyborg :scry

I'm hoping Garp takes care of Ace's corpse. :s

I get the feeling the warlords are in trouble now as well! :D Kizaru & Aokiji won't be enough against BB & co imo. It'll be interesting whether or not Dofla attacks. :tem

[jiminy]

You are completely missing my point. BB would not have trouble stealing a ship. Any MHQ warship would do. Sengoku didn't know BB stole a ship right under his nose until said ship arrived at Impel Down. Furthermore, nobody had a clue on how they got through the Gates of Justice until Lafitte's explanation. BB has also shown little trouble penetrating MHQ strongholds. How many times do I have to repeat the fact that Lafitte sneaked into MHQ once unnoticed?

For all we know, other pirates have stolen MHQ warships before but never had a reason to break into Impel Down. (Pirates seem to have a tendency of sinking them in Whitebeard's case.) That's also not the issue at hand here. The question is how easy BB would have breaking into Impel Down without the Shichibukai title, and from what we've seen, BB would have little trouble making preparations to do such a thing.


Lafitte was able to sneak into MHQ once because he knew that the Shichibukai's were meeting at the MHQs. Now since the Shichibukai's were meeting at the HQ, he probably used the opportunity of the Marines allowing pirates to meet at the headquarters to sneak in. That and also that Lafitte use to work for the WG or Marines. Lafitte could have used his knowledge as a prior officer to get around the MHQ, thus letting him find the control room.

Without the Shichibukai title, Blackbeard would not have been able to get his men to MHQ, allowing Lafitte to hypnotize the men at the control room. The war would not even have happened if Blackbeard didn't capture Ace, thus gaining his Shichibukai title. And Blackbeard could make his preparations to break into Impel Down, but because he is an unknown pirate without his Shichibukai status, he would not have been let into Impel Down. But lets say he forces his way in, Magellan would just own his entire crew like it was shown. And you can't really say that Shiryuu would come and help Blackbeard, Shiryuu would not even know who he is because he does not have his Shichibukai title. That was plain luck that Luffy had already caused a ruckus in Impel Down and Shiryuu wanting to defect.

[weixiaobao]

i was hoping that wb will survive. Though, the casualty of the white beard pirates in this arc will never gonna cover with Ace's death and all. I wonder who will be the new captain and whether or not they will even remain in the top 4.

[ArchitectOFate]

OMG i hate this chapter so much right now, we got hints at what One Piece and the Will of D is, but thats it, and now we have to wait untill the end of the manga to find out :(

[Mr. Crocodile]

BB's crew would lose to WB's crew, Shanks' crew, any other Yonkou's crew, or MHQ because they're still heavily outnumbered. The 3 major powers - Yonkou, Shichibukai, MHQ - are treated as armies, not as several insanely powerful individuals.

We all know numbers mean nothing in One Piece, Luffy took out like 2 thousand marines by himself back in enies lobby.

[kanmati]

Oh shit oh shit oh shit you're RIGHT. I hope to god that ordinary Devil Fruits leave your body after you die.... If Ace becomes a mera mera cyborg, he will be the next-to-final-boss for Luffy TT_TT

Thats a "sign" that something going to happen to ACE Body. for sure..Oda showing ace body taken by marine.like oda telling us.

same as oda showing "sign" when ivankov said the name of devon, shot and wolf. aomething going to happen and its happened.

This sign apllied to ace.


im 100% sure something related to ace body going to happen as im sure of of devon, shot and wolf.

and i wanna say again- shit you BB!!coward %##&*@*

[Primecut]

Whitebeard pirates should join up with Shanks. He's probably the only one good enough to lead them. Kaidou was going to attack WB so thats out, then theres the unknown Yonkou who might make a move now since the balance of power has shifted. The marines look more ravaged than the Yonkou at this point.

[winterwyrm]

Whitebeard pirates should join up with Shanks. He's probably the only one good enough to lead them. Kaidou was going to attack WB so thats out, then theres the unknown Yonkou who might make a move now since the balance of power has shifted. The marines look more ravaged than the Yonkou at this point.

Don't you think it's possible they could sail under luffy? They said he is ace's will, right?

Btw, did anyone notice how whitebeard's death paralleled the death of Julius Caesar? I mean how bb's crew set aside their powers and all shot him, so every one of them would have an equal share of responsibility for his death.

[Zoftig_Joe]

i am satisfied with the way that whitebeard went out. it is clear that if he was at full strength he would have pwnd BB he was just so wounded that he would no longer continue,he it totally bad-ass. i am also happy we have had another hint on the will of D and one piece.
as far as story goes i believe whitebeards death is similar to Rodger's in that it will inspire a great many more pirates.

also this is obviously the climax of this arc not much can be more exciting than both Ace's and Whitebeard's deaths there will be a couple of chapters with the pirates escaping and i stick to the belief that the coated sunny will show up with the long lost straw hats to help save luffy.

[sarutobi_sensei]

ok i was think about strawhat crew vs bb crew, i would be like this.
bb vs luffy(obviously)
shyriuu vs zoro
corrupt king abalo pizarro vs franky
cresent moon hunter vs namii
van auger vs ussop(use range att)
Doc Q vs chopper(well... both are docters)
Laffite vs brooke ( same appearance and have some kind of power such as hypnotize and sleep-sleep song of brook)
jesus burgress vs robin(i know i know . it doesnot make any sense. remember the time robin fight some dude on skyisland?)
the giant that look freaking big will gonna vs the next nakama of strawhat

And Sanji doesn't fight? His opponent would be either Mighty Drinker Busco Shot or the Champion.


Anyone a idea what the marine will do with Ace's body?

http://i47.tinypic.com/2rn7au1.jpg

I hope not that Vegapunk will use it...

I srsl hope that Garp doesn't let them do it. He needs to take the body and bury it or simply launch it to the sea.


Thats a "sign" that something going to happen to ACE Body. for sure..Oda showing ace body taken by marine.like oda telling us.

same as oda showing "sign" when ivankov said the name of devon, shot and wolf. aomething going to happen and its happened.

This sign apllied to ace.


im 100% sure something related to ace body going to happen as im sure of of devon, shot and wolf.

and i wanna say again- shit you BB!!coward %##&*@*

Garp is there, let's not forget.


Don't you think it's possible they could sail under luffy? They said he is ace's will, right?

Btw, did anyone notice how whitebeard's death paralleled the death of Julius Caesar? I mean how bb's crew set aside their powers and all shot him, so every one of them would have an equal share of responsibility for his death.
Well they could become, and will become his allies in the future. They won't sail under his banner, but they will have an alliance with him. Just like the new world captains that sail under WB's name. Luffy will not be so targeted on the new world. I dunno if this is good or bad, but it's happening.

Kinda, but it's far better than Julius.

[craziii]

wow, BB took a face quake and it barely hurt him, when it easily took out a vice admiral!!! that means he is clearly above VA level.

and white beard dies! rip. damn, they need a flash back of the battles he fought when he was younger, I bet it would be epic!

freaking oda man, 500+ chapters of no one dying, he kills off 2 super important and developed character within 10 chapters! OP is changing!

[jeffrey91]

this is perfect we hav3e luffys group 9 ppl think vs teach group 8ppl
luffy vs teach
zoro vs warden
nami,robin vs catalina devon
sanji vs lucha guy
chooper vs the giant guy
franky vs drunken guy
ussop vs sharpshooter
brook vs hypnosis guy since brook doesnt have a brain hynosis would probably be impossible



rob

Who's Licha guy =p? Jesus Burgess?
And you forgot Doc Q and Stronger...
[hr]
And does WB means Teach isn't really one of the bloodline of "D's", but just put the "D" in his name himself XD?

BTW we can almost certain say, that the will of D is blood related.

[Robotic Red]

What a great chapter.

With his proclamation, Whitebeard ties himself in with Roger, starting another chapter in the Age of Piracy.

Judging by Whitebeard's discussion about 'the Will of D' and Sengoku's reaction, it seems like One Piece is related to the Void Century.

And boy, that last spread...awesome!

[Primecut]

wow, BB took a face quake and it barely hurt him, when it easily took out a vice admiral!!! that means he is clearly above VA level.

and white beard dies! rip. damn, they need a flash back of the battles he fought when he was younger, I bet it would be epic!

freaking oda man, 500+ chapters of no one dying, he kills off 2 super important and developed character within 10 chapters! OP is changing!

Whitebeard was almost dead and had very little power left. Blackbeard knew he was going to die from that attack and begged so he just got lucky he was fighting Whitebeard at maybe 5% health and power. I'd say the quake Whitebeard used on Akainu would have broke Blackbeard into pieces.

[Bucks]

I've been sitting here for over an hour thinking about the new chapter and I still have no words to describe this chapter.

Rest in peace Whitebeard

[Primecut]

I guess its safe to say that Shanks gave Blackbeard a beating when they fought given how badly Whitebeard handled him. There is no way Blackbeard is going to be a yonkou anytime soon.

[Bugzee]

I thought it was awesome the way BB said "Let him have it!"

The pirates need to go asap. I wonder if there are any more ships coated underneath the sea....?

[JetPistol]

Anyone a idea what the marine will do with Ace's body?

http://i47.tinypic.com/2rn7au1.jpg

I hope not that Vegapunk will use it...

wow thanks for pointing this out i totally missed it! thats not cool, not cool at all :X

[Poneglyph420]

.... I agree simply speechless after that chapter at first..

Damn, what a bunch of evil scumbag Fu@kers the BB Pirates are.
As much as I respect BB's cruel cunning, I'd like to pour battery acid into his eyelids.
Just their atmosphere is unnerving, and performing the final coup de grace...
BB is indeed damn powerful, but no doubt nothing compared to a healthy WB one on one. But that's why BB NEVER intended to face him on such terms.. Right?
Well WB officially has called the opening of a new age. What a man among men, WB!!!!!!!!

Through his deeds and in this final battle WB has cemented his status, and touched a new generation. It's quite clear this "new era" will be born with darkness death and the rise of BB and crew. The SH, with some support will become the crew that heeds Roger's call. And in the end all our questions will be revealed....

Thank You Oda, for coming through and keeping quality control your peers can't match!!!!!

[WinningDays]

WB just got more and more awesome every chapter, his death was so fitting.
And drunk Roger was:amuse...

So BB has a D in his name, but Roger is not "waiting" for him, so he doesn't have the "will of D?" That's :o! He's just too awful...

I wonder if Sengoku knows that Buggy is broadcasting the scene...
He seemed pretty mad at WB just for saying that the One Piece really exists to the marines and pirates already there, but if he knew the whole world could be watching....

Also, I'm only 90% sure of it, but the following spoiler is seriously a spoiler, don't look at it if you don't want to know...I hear Luffy's gonna use gear second next chapter...

Anyways, I wonder how that happens, isn't he, you know, kind of .... right now...

[Ex-Shadow]

Actually, this is a awesome chapter. I don't know how to describe it very well. But, after all it's a little sad that 2 guys has to die in this arc. If it was just 1 guy, whether it's Ace or WB, maybe it wouldn't be like this. Amazing Odacchi!!!

The last picture which show us how WB die standing seemed like he really is the "Last Man Standing" (maybe I will use that picture for wallpaper, can anyone color it, please!?)

Maybe the "D" bloodline is somewhat related with void century and the ancestors of Tenryuubito... Well, let's wait next!!!

[chitgoks]

from the cover story, it is somehow related to the current manga? like slowly the SH crew are finding their way to each other slowly?

[sukai]

Whitebeard definitely earned himself a spot in my list of epic badasses. To die standing up, protecting his family from pretty much the world. Doesn't get any manlier than that.

Looks like the straw hat crew have a deserving set of opponents to pound in for the future as well, though I have to say these "world's most heinous criminals" don't look so epic.

The question to be asked now is, can this arc squeeze any more manly tears out of us?

[Poneglyph420]

Oda's epic genius continues to amaze me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saitō_Musashibō_Benkei
Read the part about him dying after getting shot a bunch of times (by arrows)
and still standing...nevermind the use of a naginata..

Well thought you'd be interested....... maybe?

[printLn]

Wow. It's been a long time since I've seen Oda write epic fail. BB's reason for invading Impel Down makes little sense. Here's two possibilities that could have done with the scenario.

Scenario One:

Go to any MHQ base Take one of their ships Sail to Impel Down

Scenario Two:

Wait for a Shichibukai to be demoted Hope for big bounty to cross your path before a new Shichibukai is elected Become Shichibukai Wait for MHQ to call him in on official business Steal a marine ship from the most heavily guarded MHQ base Sail to Impel Down

Somehow one of these seems simpler to come up with, easier to put to practice, and less dependent on chance. After all, any MHQ warship can cross the Calm Belt and Lafitte once sneaked into MHQ unnoticed.

If BB loses his title after this arc, I'm afraid of what will happen for the second half of One Piece. BB losing his title along with the current revelation is epic fail of writing I normally expect from other authors such as Kubo and Kishimoto.

BB is a patient and cunning guy. He could have killed ace and still have become a shichibukai, so why didn't he do it? He probably knew WB was gonna go to war with the WG for ace and so he can use the moment of utter chaos and his shichibukai title to break into Impel Down. The events make perfect sense. Remember BB is a guy who takes chances based on their likely hood success, "I was on Whitebeards ship because i thought i would have the best chance of getting the fruit that i wanted."

[chitgoks]

wow blackbeard was so pathetic here. he still has a long way to go

[Mess]

I always had a deep respect for black beard.. But after reading this I only have one thing to say. Coward.

[xenoph]

inded one of the most epic things i have ever seen in a manga, thank you Oda

[brian.ca]

You are completely missing my point. BB would not have trouble stealing a ship. Any MHQ warship would do. Sengoku didn't know BB stole a ship right under his nose until said ship arrived at Impel Down. Furthermore, nobody had a clue on how they got through the Gates of Justice until Lafitte's explanation. BB has also shown little trouble penetrating MHQ strongholds. How many times do I have to repeat the fact that Lafitte sneaked into MHQ once unnoticed?
...
Half of BB's crew was defeated by Ace and Magellan. It's irrefutable they're still not strong enough to compete with any high-tier fighter. We still don't know how strong BB's additional recruits are as compared to top-tier fighters save Shiryu. That also doesn't change the fact that BB is still heavily outnumbered. Do you think any of the Yonkou would have any problems with BB and company? Do you think MHQ would have any problems with BB and company? Fuck no. It's because the other major players have plenty of high-tier fighters to spare in their own ranks.

Lafitte didn't sneak into Marineford, he snuck into Mariejois. You can't assume it's the same thing. People are able to pass through Mariejois, we don't know his status to the government at the time beyond his exile, they had some other movement at the city with the visiting warlords, and you don't have the gate / current to deal with. Even barring that Impel Down would probably still be different as there seems to be only one entrance and they seem to stop you at the front and immediately report out to HQ.

To get into Impel down you'd need a marine ship if only for the coated bottom then to open the gates you'd need a man on the inside or a marine able to make the authorization on the outside. That would mean stealing a ship. But again consider differences. In Marineford BB was not an enemy even if mistrusted. On the outside there'd be suspicion as soon as he was spotted. When WB sunk those ships they were still able to report back. Why assume that they wouldn't report an approaching pirate ship, and if that's the case would the marines later let that same ship through the gates considering that it might have been compromised?

Plus, I wouldn't necessarily trust any translations with out a second one to compare it to. This one mentioned sole purpose but don't forget BB did go back Marinford. So to think that the Impel Down access was the only part of his plan that benefited from the title would seem faulty. He said he was planning on putting on a show - two things about that; 1) he doesn't seem to be shying from notoriety now (the title would help if he's trying to make his name known now) 2) He would need a way back in (unless Lafitte was to sneak into both MF & ID) or a way in at least the one time (title).

You also seem to be putting more weight into the title than it probably deserves. The WG wasn't going to just lay off and go easy or support BB while he makes a scene in the new world. Don't forget what side of the redline all the other warlords have been found on to date.

About strength, we know Magellen has a ridiculous ability and was able to take out the whole old BB crew easily (he was also able to take luffy out fairly easily or even Ivankov). Other than that we know the old crewmates were worthless vs. a logia (who hasn't been with out a specific DF ability or ability to use haki?). Shiryu is meant to be at about level with Magellen, the rest are meant to be the "kind of pirates who's names are enough to make those who hear them quiver in fear" and bad enough to be on level 6 and probably worth the effort to free them. BB himself was able to take a point blank attack from WB and survive, and was strong enough to make Shanks worry before even getting his DF powers. I wouldn't assume he'd be a push over in any case, especially when the marines are the only ones who's power is really known at the moment and that seems to be mostly focused among the top 5 who don't even move together.

[cachaco99]

GREAT CHAPTER

love blackbeard and his new crew. was wishing ace didnt die but whatever. you never know what could happen, maybe when whitebeard meets ace in the afterlife ace'll get so mad he comes back to life for revenge lol (dont take it serious)

now what's gonna happen to the whitebeard pirates? big question

about what whitebeard said. a bigger battle - battle of the D's. FREAKING AWESOME. we'll see when it happens

confused about san juan wolf. how the heck was he in impel down and how did he get out?

side note - dont know if anyone has ever mentioned this but have u ever noticed that the shichibukai are like the 7 deadly sins. (minus crocodile)

envy-mihawk. the envy of all swordsmen in the world

greed-doflamingo. he seems to run alot of businesses and rich people are usually greedy for more

wrath-kuma. known as the tyrant, are tyrants nice?(rhetorical and sarcastic)

sloth-moria. he is LAAAAAAZY

lust-hancock. what else is there to say here?

pride-jinbei. he is a "man" of great pride and honor

gluttony-blackbeard. like all D's he has a big appetite

[msg]

hmm..i think i read it somewhere about the shichi corresponds to the seven deadly sins...i think it's been discussed before.

Anyways.. i'm hoping that the rest of the WB pirates would continue His (WB) legacy with Marco leading the way.They could change their group name to "sons of whitebeard" pirates.:amuse

I would love Boa to fight against catelina..The ugliest vs the most beautiful...Wait! if (assuming) catelina eat a df and she's turn out that way ( still ugly), what if she didn't eat it ----> look at Alvida

[chitgoks]

hmm..i think i read it somewhere about the shichi corresponds to the seven deadly sins...i think it's been discussed before.

Anyways.. i'm hoping that the rest of the WB pirates would continue His (WB) legacy with Marco leading the way.They could change their group name to "sons of whitebeard" pirates.:amuse

I would love Boa to fight against catelina..The ugliest vs the most beautiful...Wait! if (assuming) catelina eat a df and she's turn out that way ( still ugly), what if she didn't eat it ----> look at Alvida

she probably ate a devil fruit that she expected to get a pretty face but in turn received beautiful boobs but an ugly face haha

[goldb]

oh man i have to say, the scene with Whitebeard and Roger was amazing, you could really tell they had the upmost respect for each other.
but on another note, someone had some love issues in their life didnt they....
and the last page that describes WB's death is nothinmg but epic "the great star with the immaculate back" now that is poetry, he can rest in peace. we've found out some amazing things in this chapter, and after I sleep off my travel journey I'll come back and post my views!!! Long Live OP!!!!

[msg]

I wonder if WB were married and have children...Just look at his harem of beautiful nurses.Does he's not interested in any one of them?Is he infertile...nevermind:amuse.it be cool if he has one if not any number of actual children of his own so he could rival roger's son.

I wonder if Roger's has any peers besides WB.It makes me more curious about the other two yonkou.

[Duc :D]

lol so the reason for who opened the gates is that simple? disappointing but amazin by oda at the same time because he mae people anticipate guys like Dragon, Rayleigh or Shanks to appear over dozens of weeks :-)

I love how wb crushes the floor with BB's head and the whole ganging up with small pistols looks weird but awesome at the same time. can't wait for the next chapter.

[tusharthegamer]

another great epic chapter by ODA...

[Katz]

lol so the reason for who opened the gates is that simple? disappointing but amazin by oda at the same time because he mae people anticipate guys like Dragon, Rayleigh or Shanks to appear over dozens of weeks :-)

I love how wb crushes the floor with BB's head and the whole ganging up with small pistols looks weird but awesome at the same time. can't wait for the next chapter.

Well I'd have to say that if BB's crew didnt come to his aid...BB wouldn't be alive right now, BB is one powerful SOB but godamn did WB make him look like a child.

The opening of the gates "truth" was yea a letdown but atleast Oda didn't forget about it and leave a small plothole or speculation by the fans on how the gates opened etc etc.

[SilversDKRayleigh]

so after seeing the pic with Ace's body surrounded by MHQ members are we going to get constant posts abouty what they are going to do with his body until we find out. SO I DECIDED TO START A THREAD IN THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE, ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO HIS BODY.

maybe we can finally see the rest of the SH no offense to WB seeing how awesome his death was.

[Szaman]

BLACK BEARD SO SUCKS! COWARD! WEAKLING S**T.i dont want him to be the last villain.

other candidates:
-Dragon (favourites!! to be last villain) i hope he is evil and also carried the name of D.
-Government
-Kaidou
-other yonkou

Dragon if Luffy's father. Dragon's close friends and commanders of the RA are watching over Luffy in this arc. Dragon himself seemed to be interested in his son's safety (Logue Town), etc, etc. How does this make them enemies?
It's the same as saying: Garp will be the final opponent.


One question. WHERE ARE THE ADMIRALS. BB just basically said "I'm a pirate again! Zehahahaha" Kizaru should of gave him a light speed kick to head by now.

Or they found it's more important to, I don't know... ensure the safety of the very MHQ itself after the havy quake-quake attack? Minimize the Marine losses? They can embark on a pursuit of BB after their main base of opperation is secured. How hard can it be to catch BB, when one of the pursuers can use a bloody cannonball shot out of the battleship cannon as a mean of transportation and the other can freeze the ocean around your ship rock-solid and thous immobilizing you?
Imo if above written is the case, they chose well and set their priorities right.

Also - please, stop with the "Shanks is weaker then Mihawk". From the very definition of "yonkou", there can't be any shichibukai who can alone best a yonkou. Otherwise it would mean that WG needs the whole marine force (Garp + Sengoku + 3 Admirals + VA's) + 7 of their own pirates (one of which is in reality more powerfull then yonkou) to balance 4 people. Logic. It lacks.

"Younkou are only as powerfull thanks to their crews and allies!". No. And yes. You really think WB was sailing with ALL his 1600 men and allied captains ALL the time? Moby Dick was a fine and big ship, but I really don't see it 1600 men fitting there. Sorry. Plus had this been the case, what would be the point of calling Marco and Co. "division commanders"? If they are all on one ship. What's the point?
Did you forget the time when a group of commanders attacked Kizaru? They were only able to tie him in a fight for a moment. Didn't pose a direct threat. And yet some people still asume that the power balance within a crew of any yonkou is somewhat 50-50. No it's not. If we assume Mihawk is a mightier fighter then e.g. Shanks, then he would cut through his crew like it was nothing and it would be Shanks who would need HIS whole crew just to stop him. Again, this puts the whole balancing the yonkou out thing totally upside down.

[Romanov D Paul]

I guess this gives away an hint on how much WB respected Roger, dying in almost the same way as him, shouting out it's pirate pride and instill it into others... Ah, he could've even knew how to get to Raftel by now and didn't even care about it at all. And his dying thought finally gave us a small hint of what is the will of D, as generic as it can be saying that those are the people who will fight for this world, foreshadowing the upcoming battle, even if it's quite difficult to imagine something bigger then what we've just witnessed, but oh, I guess we'll see. By the way, the all "sorry my sons, I've been defeated by that despicable idiot" thing is one of the greatest line ever wrote in mankind history :D

Edit: just noticed, I didn't remember the video den den mushi was still on. So the people in Shabondy and the whole world knows of OP as well... Ok, Old man died EXACTLY like Roger, that's kinda of a beutiful hirony if you ask me...

[THE MASTER]

black beard

STOP!!! OLD MAN!!! ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO KILL ME? YOU OWN SON...

black beard you are coward

[Lee-tyme7]

Anyone a idea what the marine will do with Ace's body?

http://i47.tinypic.com/2rn7au1.jpg

I hope not that Vegapunk will use it...

No way, why does it have to be a freaky Frankenstein theories with you people? Messing with Ace's body is so not cool...let the guy died with dignity.
Garp is still with the Marine I'm pretty sure he won't let them touch Ace's body. Surely the Marines are human enough to at least respect the dead.

[Tengu24]

okay this has to be the most epic manga I have ever read in my life, especially when he was still standing in his death and the cloak came off and you saw the symbol, I actually was getting tears down my cheeks..

[Razh]

I don't get what the fuss is all about. I did expect that Blackbeard wanted something else in ID but this is not such a disappointment.
I think Blackbeard would have waited for years for an opportunity if it were necessary. Some people (Franckie) seem to forget that the only reason he managed to achieve his goal in ID is the battle at Marineford. If he tried it on any normal day, Magellan could just call reinforcements and they would come pretty fast. Bye bye, Blackbeard.

Then of course, it's a mere coincidence and luck that Blackbeard didn't end up in jail as well. Oda has always been portraying him as a sort of a paradox. He can be very patient at times, waiting and planning, but yet, when it gets to execution of his plans, he gets careless. As Whitebeard said, his defenses are weak. He relies on that destiny crap too much. He's like a gambler who calls everything he gets. While he was on Moby Dick, he simply wasn't playing. He was waiting for the right card to start playing, that is, yami yami no mi.

I would be lying if I said that I'm completely content with some things. Like couple of prisoners being mentioned earlier and the exact same ones end up in Blackbeard's crew.:(
I'd still like to believe that he took in at least one of them because of some useful ability which can further his plans.

Yeah, this development with Blackbeard is little under the level which would satisfy me completely, but it's far far away from being an epic fail. The epic fail should not be used lightly. It's a sort of thing that ruins the manga long term. And I doubt it very much that the manga will suffer from Blackbeard's half assed plan.

[bittman]

Agreed with Razh. Predictable, and not exactly brilliant, but not a "bad plan" by any means. That said, I am still waiting for something. Perhaps one of the four released pirates has more to them than just their names and obvious silver medallist status? I can always hope one of them actually has something worthwhile, like the key to accessing Raftel or something.

Most interesting thing for me in this chapter (minus some Whitebeard squeeling) was Roger. We get VERY rare glimpses of Roger, to get almost an entire page of him speaking with Whitebeard is a rare gem in this chapter that not as many people seem focused on.

Seems the people that predicted the Will of D. and the nation that was destroyed 700 years ago are onto something.

And yeah, on Ace: he's not gonna be Vegapunk'ed. Sounds like some b-grade shit you be tripping on there. You think Garp would seriously allow anything less than a dignified burial? He might have raged when Akainu was all over Ace, but imagine him raging if they did anything to Ace's body other than give him the chance to give out a final farewell.

[patz]

No way, why does it have to be a freaky Frankenstein theories with you people? Messing with Ace's body is so not cool...let the guy died with dignity.
Garp is still with the Marine I'm pretty sure he won't let them touch Ace's body. Surely the Marines are human enough to at least respect the dead.
I'm sure Garp would rather turn Ace into a cyborg than let him die.

I'm surprised that BB still could stand after receive an attack from WB. At least Akainu got KO after that.

[tom2000]

WB dying pose kinda remind me of Raoh's pose in Hokuto No Ken...
Hope that the body of Ace and WB won't go to Vegapunk for some twisted experiences
Maybe Gecko Moria will make them zombies :s

[Me2Ecchi]

I don't get what the fuss is all about. I did expect that Blackbeard wanted something else in ID but this is not such a disappointment.
I think Blackbeard would have waited for years for an opportunity if it were necessary. Some people (Franckie) seem to forget that the only reason he managed to achieve his goal in ID is the battle at Marineford. If he tried it on any normal day, Magellan could just call reinforcements and they would come pretty fast. Bye bye, Blackbeard.

Then of course, it's a mere coincidence and luck that Blackbeard didn't end up in jail as well. Oda has always been portraying him as a sort of a paradox. He can be very patient at times, waiting and planning, but yet, when it gets to execution of his plans, he gets careless. As Whitebeard said, his defenses are weak. He relies on that destiny crap too much. He's like a gambler who calls everything he gets. While he was on Moby Dick, he simply wasn't playing. He was waiting for the right card to start playing, that is, yami yami no mi.

I would be lying if I said that I'm completely content with some things. Like couple of prisoners being mentioned earlier and the exact same ones end up in Blackbeard's crew.:(
I'd still like to believe that he took in at least one of them because of some useful ability which can further his plans.

Yeah, this development with Blackbeard is little under the level which would satisfy me completely, but it's far far away from being an epic fail. The epic fail should not be used lightly. It's a sort of thing that ruins the manga long term. And I doubt it very much that the manga will suffer from Blackbeard's half assed plan.

Dont forget that BB achieve his goal cuz of luffy. If luffy wasnt in ID trying to save ace, BB crew would be screw by Magellan. With Shiryu getting free, Magellan saved BB crew. Lucky walks with Luffy and BB at this point.

[THE MASTER]

I'm sure Garp would rather turn Ace into a cyborg than let him die.

I'm surprised that BB still could stand after receive an attack from WB. At least Akainu got KO after that.

Akainu got two hits, BB one hit

[dark lord]

the way shiryuu spoke about magellan kinda tells that hes dead if thats the case ID should be vulnerable right now . i dont think BB was selective when trying to release his new guy's at least the marines will be threatened a bit since the war was a win for them their loss is ID .

[goldb]

Marines are people who go by the law(at most times) and I'd have to believe that they'd give him a proper burial as I think they did the same with Roger. The Blackbeard turned out to be somewhat exactly as predicted but I wasn't disappointed in the slightest, The two things that stood out for me in this chapter is the narration of WB's life as a pirate and that scene with Roger was as good as anything we've seen in recent chapter, imo.

So I'm guessing that meeting happened after he(Roger) had already seperated from his crew.

[Goty]

I would be lying if I said that I'm completely content with some things. Like couple of prisoners being mentioned earlier and the exact same ones end up in Blackbeard's crew.:(

Of course they were the same. Iva just mentioned the most famous prisoners in LVL 6 and BB wouldn't break into Impel Down to free a couple of nobodies. It's more than a coincidence.

Still, interesting that Iva didn't mention Pizarro and he's the only one not wearing a prisoner outfit..

[Vetinari clone]

Then of course, it's a mere coincidence and luck that Blackbeard didn't end up in jail as well. Oda has always been portraying him as a sort of a paradox. He can be very patient at times, waiting and planning, but yet, when it gets to execution of his plans, he gets careless. As Whitebeard said, his defenses are weak. He relies on that destiny crap too much. He's like a gambler who calls everything he gets. While he was on Moby Dick, he simply wasn't playing. He was waiting for the right card to start playing, that is, yami yami no mi.

I would be lying if I said that I'm completely content with some things. Like couple of prisoners being mentioned earlier and the exact same ones end up in Blackbeard's crew.:(
I'd still like to believe that he took in at least one of them because of some useful ability which can further his plans.

Yeah, this development with Blackbeard is little under the level which would satisfy me completely, but it's far far away from being an epic fail. The epic fail should not be used lightly. It's a sort of thing that ruins the manga long term. And I doubt it very much that the manga will suffer from Blackbeard's half assed plan.


Personally this is what I love about BB, he really isn't your typical villain, i.e. brilliant and awesome but with some fatal flaw, or dumb but hugely strong. He struggles and messes up and gets beaten by people who aren't the main character and isn't at all nice or even charismatic, he just feels like a genuine person. I find most villains However sympathetic they are tend to feel kinda fake, but with BB, I dunno, he seems like what I would be if I was evil and bent on become the pirate king.



Most interesting thing for me in this chapter (minus some Whitebeard squeeling) was Roger. We get VERY rare glimpses of Roger, to get almost an entire page of him speaking with Whitebeard is a rare gem in this chapter that not as many people seem focused on.


I agree completely. That was, aside from the last page, my favorite moment in this chapter. Gold Roger seems so cool, I loved his fit of temper whacking the ground "That's not right!". Totally drunk :D

[ScratchmenApoo]

I was hoping the pirates to take Ace's body with them...too bad they couldn't. I think that the Marineford island will be shattered from the battle ahead and Ace's body will drown with others and he is still smiling as he glides down...

[Szaman]

Razh - while I agree, don't forget that Magellan refused the marine help during the ID incident. There was something being told about ID being a maze etc. and that marines would only be disturbing the guards. And there was much much more trouble at that point then just BB intrusion (several independent riots on different floors for example, Luffy and Co rampaging),

I only have to wonder how BB got to know about those "banished from history" pirates. It's not like knowledge about them would be a common thing. those guys may even pre-date the Roger era (around 20 years ago), that would make them more of a myth, getting any intel about their whereabouts and even if they are alive or not would be a feat.

Oh, and about this "shaking the world to the core"... I guess we can assume that BB is just a megalomaniac and tried to hype his own doings. What might have been grand and big for him, might not end up the same in the eyes of people watching him. We should take everything he says with a pinch of salt (if I remember the english proverb right).

[PH3000]

wow, i'm stunned. at least i expected an awsome chapter but this epicness simply flashed me. Short conclusion:

- explaining how the gates of justice opened (something about laffites skills too)
- why bb wanted the sichibukai status (no long discussions about it anymore ;) )
- wb still pwning everyone. wb with roger, talking about raftel
- wb telling bb that he's not the right one to find onepiece
- wb speaking about will of d and indirectly about luffy
- wb talking about a big war coming (what is/was at mhq?!)
- wb dying while standing with the words "one piece exists"

i still don't get it. those two weeks were really worth it. at some point it was very predictable but at the very end of an arc, the most things are.

[sindergi]

One question. WHERE ARE THE ADMIRALS. BB just basically said "I'm a pirate again! Zehahahaha" Kizaru should of gave him a light speed kick to head by now.

Why should the admirals make a move. Lets BB do the dirty work (killing WB) and after this they can still kill/capture/whatever the BB-pirats.

[zozo96]

It is predictable because Oda slowly drawn us to these conclusions. If Oda didn't give us clues about something, we will never (well, almost never) get to predict a thing! A great story consists of mysteries, surprise factors and some clues to make the readers feel like they are the part of the story. OP is simply an example of great storytelling.

I don't know about you, guys. But, for me, this chapter just put OP among the classics of this world.

[Razh]

Razh - while I agree, don't forget that Magellan refused the marine help during the ID incident. There was something being told about ID being a maze etc. and that marines would only be disturbing the guards. And there was much much more trouble at that point then just BB intrusion (several independent riots on different floors for example, Luffy and Co rampaging),

He refused the help before things got really out of hand. Magellan is proud, but he's no fool.

As for the other part...



Then of course, it's a mere coincidence and luck that Blackbeard didn't end up in jail as well.

Riots, Luffy and the rest fall under this sentence. I like to assume that people can read between the lines.

[zozo96]

"This current age is named 'Whitebeard'." (Gol D. Ace)

The death of WB will definitely be marked as a new beginning in OP time line. The emotional drift in it is way profounder than the one during the death of Roger. WB died stating, "One Piece really exists!" His death brings a new impact of the pursue of OP. Now, the WB pirates and their allies have a hell of a drive to go for OP. WB's death just gives them legacy to do so.

[Primecut]

Marines should really attack the Blackbeard pirates, they've got plenty of fighting power left that can take them down. Kizaru, Aokiji, Sengoku, Garp, rest of the Shichibukai. I'd imagine a lot of folks fighting Whitebeard want a piece of Blackbeard now due to the cowardice and fact he betrayed the Marines.

<Mihawk is about to kill Blackbeard.>

BB: "Hawkeyes! Stop! You arent going to kill me, your own Shichibukai comrade, are you?"

<Mihawk backs off>

BB: "LET EM HAVE IT!"

[THM Nindo]

Talking about the Supernovas... weren't they shown making a move a few chapters ago?
Do you think they're coming too?

If that's the case, I guess this arc is not over yet!

[lan2cp]

Damnn!! I love BB's reaction @ Whitebeard dying on his feet (http://www.mangastream.com/read/one_piece/576-65/13) lol. 10/10 chapter right there.

[Bugzee]

lol @ Primecut with the BB & Mihawk idea. :amuse

I really hope we get to see Shiryuu vs Mihawk.. :wtf :wtf :wtf

...befote the timeskip damn it! :shakefist

[BlackHair]

If that's the case, I guess this arc is not over yet!I agree. They will arrive also the WB pirates aren't save yet. Not to mention BB, wondering how they will escape out of this mess. I don't think they stand a chance against the WG forces (even if the Shichi wouldn't fight).

[Superman]

Wow that is so cool. BB has not a chance against WB. He is really such a strong character and he and roger were buddies somehow. I loved it. Oda made it very clear who is/was the strongest man in the world. Oh and Luffy didnt wanted to hear from Reyleigh if one piece exists and he didnt heared it this time either.:D

Anyway i gotta read this chapter again.

[PH3000]

Anyway i gotta read this chapter again.

i already read it about 5 times and i'm gonna do it again^^ ...and again... :-D

Personally i think there will be one more chapter and after that, this arc will be over.

[Diablos]

Kakakakaka I loled the crap out of me, when BB was crying for WB not to kill him... AHAHAHA I am still loling he was like uhh Im so superior your quakes do nothing to me, SLASH PEW PEW. LOLOL Loved it Dont mess with the monster ^^

Gosh.. really what surprised me most these last chapters is just how awesome WB is.. totally pwned Akainu and BB.. 2 of most fearsome dudes in OP were like fodders to him.. just makes me think how powerful really is the old generation.. We've still gotta see Garp enraged :D oh I will love it ^^

Also that last page was so damn awesomeness. I am delighted ^^ once again ;p

[Katz747]

nooooooooooooooooooooooo OLD MAN T-T

* cries manly tears *:s

Whitebeard died a hero's death. Just look at that last page. even is death he is the epitome of Awesomeness.:worship

his death heralds a new era in the world. truly, the name of the current era is WHITEBEARD :D

:yourock

PS: I never really hated blackbeard before this......i just thought of him as a kind of cool anti-hero........but now i really hate him.........BB you bastard, how could you :chair

once again, WHITEBEARD FTEW :wtf

[topkomputer]

WB died in the same way like Gold D. Roger. They leave 'one piece' for future generation. This one piece thing really make Sengoku pissed of. So it's a serious threat for World Goverment. It also connected with Robin's poneglyph search.

So this one piece is the missing piece that needed to translate all the poneglyph that scattered around the world. Information that could be counted as having the whole world (world goverment).

Catherina devon, is she wearing tengu mask? So that's not her real face?

[Gcat88]

THAT WAS AMAZING!!!!! I loved how we got teased, and a little hint, of what the will of D. is. WB died in a respected fashion and with honor. he truly renewed the drive that pirates needed to go out and plunder again. OH WOW. how can a being be THAT ugly. ALL of the BB pirates are too ugly to bear. Young WB was interesting, and it was funny to see a pirate who didnt care about treasure. OP didnt become a classic after this chapter, this chapter is proof of what a classic OP is!!!!

[chess4]

chess4...the wager, will you take Luffy's face ? Ace is dead !

The chapter was awesome !

havent forgot the bet. i will give it a few more chapter before i completely give up on ace.

so i guess oars jr is dead too

[hhv94]

Loved reading the full scan, especially Whitebeard's speech before his death being heard loud and clear about One Piece existing and some serious foreshadowing of what is to come in the future. I am also interested what the name D has to do with the old world/history that was wiped away by the world government. Seems that the "D" bloodline is important or key to One Piece. I agree with Whitebeared, Teach is not a true "D" maybe his the defunct twisted family line that just sucks in general. I mean look at how he used the new crewmates from Level 6 to kill off Whitebeared instead of doing it himself. What a freakin coward! I hope Teach gets his ass whooped just as bad and brutal as Whitebeared took it. What a way to go though, never turning away from your enemy and dying like that on your feet. Tons of PROPS to Whitebeared! :)

[Realtwisted]

man Blackbeard and Roger look so alike, i wonder why is that.

[Bugzee]

:eek Crap! Chess4 your still hanging on to that! LOL! Good luck dude. :thumbs Your still going to give it a couple more chapters, hey? :tem

There's still a chance that Bon Clay is alive! :D I wouldn't mind seeing Sengoku Vs. San Juan... :grin

[topkomputer]

Yeah he has to become a yonkou he has the most powerful crew right now has killed the great whitebeard albeit after several other people banged him up considerably. He effectively killed Ace and Whitebeard and dismantled his crew I cannot see how he isn't powerful enough to be considered a yonkou.

I agree, BB really not aftering yonkou position guys. I believe he is after one piece and carve his name into history. That's what he mean when he said to luffy "shaking the world ...".

[ZenoArmani]

Still, interesting that Iva didn't mention Pizarro and he's the only one not wearing a prisoner outfit..Good observation, and he's supposed to have been a ruler of a nation privy to classified information, if the title isn't just a figure of speech; and he is named after a famous and extremely ruthless treasure-hunter; and he seems to have drilling arms (for excavation)...

It's not at all impossible that PIzarro provided crucial information to Blackbeard for accomplishing his bigger objective (and one or more of the prisoners either have necessary abilities or further information to accomplish it), and waited for the BB crew some distance away from the prison... Or he was simply the prisoner with tunnel-making abilities that Ivankov also mentioned (hence the drills) and like the "Level 5.5-ers" had used this to stock up with items inside of the prison, including alternative clothing.

[Akagami.Shanks]

Many great things are shown in this chapter, like the Will of D, one piece and so on. What I find interesting though is the limit of BB powers, WB showed to the whole world that BB can be defeated with pure strength and Haki.

[cachaco99]

does anyone think catarina devon could be lola's mom? they have similar lips and both have pigtails and i guess similar eyelashes. only difference is the nose but it could be a reverse usopp thing-lola getting her father's nose. BUT lola said her mom was in the new world so maybe that theory could be quickly proven false. but it would give the strawhats a way to come into contact with blackbeard. nami searches for lola's mom only to realize she is catarina devon of the blackbeard pirates. u gotta admit it has possibilities. but lola herself said her mom was in the new world. could be the last yonkou although they are said to be EMPERORS meaning men

[ZenoArmani]

Marines should really attack the Blackbeard pirates, they've got plenty of fighting power left that can take them down. Kizaru, Aokiji, Sengoku, Garp, rest of the Shichibukai. I'd imagine a lot of folks fighting Whitebeard want a piece of Blackbeard now due to the cowardice and fact he betrayed the Marines.Blackbeard isn't a coward at all, or he wouldn't recklessly storm into all of the dangerous situations he has so far. He's a cheerfully underhanded sneak without any honour whatsoever, which was the point of that scene.

He first betrays Whitebeard by killing two of his adopted sons, then tries to play on his old fatherly feelings in an attempt to make him lower his guard, and then cackles as his allies sprays his commander since over 20 years with bullets.

He just doesn't care about concepts like justice, loyalty, truthfulness, or dignity. It's what he's about. He's like a mixture of patient schemer, big-eating life-reveller, reckless gambler, and genuinely amoral Internet troll. I think that he's a great unusual villain, a true asshole.

[cachaco99]

Good observation, and he's supposed to have been a ruler of a nation privy to classified information, if the title isn't just a figure of speech; and he is named after a famous and extremely ruthless treasure-hunter; and he seems to have drilling arms (for excavation)...

It's not at all impossible that PIzarro provided crucial information to Blackbeard for accomplishing his bigger objective, that one or more of the prisoners either have necessary abilities or further information to accomplish it, and waited for the BB crew some distance away from the prison... Or he was simply the prisoner with tunnel-making abilities that Ivankov also mentioned (hence the drills) and like the "Level 5.5-ers" had used this to stock up with items inside of the prison, including alternative clothing.

i go for the level 5.5 maker. pizarro seems to be that kind of guy. and if he was it explains why he has a change of clothes, the drill on his hand-if it is a drill-and why he's nostalgic about being out. cuz he might have been there for a long time. time enough to make level 5.5

[Akagami.Shanks]

A question poped up in my mind after reading this chapter. It looks like WB was healthy enough when he was drinking Sake with Roger, and with no big Scar in his chest.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/576-65/11
so who was WB talking about when he met Shanks and complained about the wound?

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/07/

[dark lord]

we cant see the wound actually you know and the one who gave to him is roger its clear

[Duc :D]

I think that "Wound" is the betrayal after 20 years and the murder of thatch.

its good to see WB and Roger actually as drinking buddies which makes them rather friends than enemies. Rival seems to fit in this case. and I want either a garp fight to the fullest or an instant timeskip now.

[Akagami.Shanks]

we cant see the wound actually you know and the one who gave to him is roger its clear

All factors point to Roger of course, I just think that WB looked healthy enough during his conversation with Roger.

[Razh]

A question poped up in my mind after reading this chapter. It looks like WB was healthy enough when he was drinking Sake with Roger, and with no big Scar in his chest.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/576-65/11
so who was WB talking about when he met Shanks and complained about the wound?

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/07/

Um, so how exactly can you see that there is no wound? I see a bowl of sake just in front of where it should be.

Who knows how much time had passed since their fight, but I'd imagine that people like them aren't that petty to hold grudges over past fights.
Whitebeard did have the scar in Strong World chapter, btw. (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/565.5/22/)

[SmellsLikeTeenSh!t]

A question poped up in my mind after reading this chapter. It looks like WB was healthy enough when he was drinking Sake with Roger, and with no big Scar in his chest.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/576-65/11
so who was WB talking about when he met Shanks and complained about the wound?

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/07/

Maybe Shanks is a relative from Gol D. Roger? Or he mentioned it maybe because Shanks was on Rogers ship when he was a boy.

WB really was the strongest pirate in the world. His death was so epic. Blackbeard is a backstabbing piece of trash. Even when WB was hurt to death he still was no match for him... I wonder who is going to take the lead of WB crew? Marco? Or do they split now...hmm and I guess we see Ruffys crew in the next chapter..its been soooo long :)

[BlkHorus]

Blackbeard isn't a coward at all, or he wouldn't recklessly storm into all of the dangerous situations he has so far. He's a cheerfully underhanded sneak without any honour whatsoever, which was the point of that scene.

He first betrays Whitebeard by killing two of his adopted sons, then tries to play on his old fatherly feelings in an attempt to make him lower his guard, and then cackles as his allies sprays his commander since over 20 years with bullets.

He just doesn't care about concepts like justice, loyalty, truthfulness, or dignity. It's what he's about. He's like a mixture of patient schemer, big-eating life-reveller, reckless gambler, and genuinely amoral Internet troll. I think that he's a great unusual villain, a true asshole.

BB is a great villian for OP. He is in many ways similar to Luffy, but in major ways different. He isn't cowardly, but he is definitely underhanded and doesn't follow morals really. He is completely selfish and won't stop at anything to get what he wants. At the same time, he plays with people's intentions and likes chaos overall. Of all the pirates we have seen, he resembles the one that just loves chaos and would appear to do things randomly, but has schemes all over. Even their crews are completely different from each other too.

[johnnyb7]

Next chapter the marines are going to attack Blackbeard while he himself will escape, along with the rest of the pirates. Two chapters from now will show what's happened to the rest of Luffy's crew.

I'm hoping to get a chapter or two on each of Luffy's crew to find out what happens to them/how they get back to Rayleigh.

[SenninSage]

Man... Whitebeard was so impressive. Even with half his face and possibly also brain gone, the man was still way too much for BlackBeard. He required the aide of his entire crew to take down a severely weakened WhiteBeard.

The marines may now try to take down BlackBeard and co. Of course that's assuming that they are even in a position to do so currently. I can't wait to see the fallout from this. Luffy lost his brother, and Luffy's crew was nowhere to be seen to help their Captain in his greatest hour of need. Although, there's just about nothing they could've done to account for the fact that Luffy would've gone all the way to Impel Down and then Marine HQ itself to prevent Ace from dying, they had their own independent situations to deal with.

[OdaForPresident]

So with just a few word White Beard rekindles the quest for one piece. These words should have an effect like Roger's statement about One Piece when he was executed. That's life long rivals and fellow legends for ya, acting the exact same way in their last moments. Cool.