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Captain Class
March 10, 2010, 08:28 AM
Yeah; I don't think Ukitaki can win; infact I think they are pretty evenly matched; it's no wonder that ukitaki was over hyped and he's no where near kyouraku's level; he may be a vet but he sucks for one no offense.

MidnightAngel
March 10, 2010, 09:03 AM
I don't think so, Ukitake is just sick that's the point, if he wasn't he could have been easily on Kyoraku level, or maybe even better than him. The thing that makes him considered weak is his low endurance and by his laid back attitude preferring using words over sword..btw i think Zaraki's strength isn't enough to get rid of Ukitake Experience and Skills.

BaddAzzKenpachi74
March 10, 2010, 10:51 AM
Yeah; I don't think Ukitaki can win; infact I think they are pretty evenly matched; it's no wonder that ukitaki was over hyped and he's no where near kyouraku's level; he may be a vet but he sucks for one no offense.
we'll the bleach databooks and manga seem to think otherwise.
the manga seems to hint that if he wasn't sick he would most likely be dead even with Shunsui since both are a team and it wouldn't make since to be a Legendary team in SS if Shunsui was doing all the work don't you think?
so offcoarse Ukitake is on Shunsui's level.
could he beat Shunsui?
no way in hell but if he wasn't sick he'd have a VERY good chance at doing it.
all that being said i think Ukitake wins this.
look at my name.
i'm i HUGE Kenpachi fan but the manga has implied that Senior Captains are just on a diffrent level then the newer Captains and even tho Ukitake is sick he still FAR outweighs Kenpachi in experiance and by manga hype alone for the Senior Captains i'd say Ukitake wins

conn-man
March 10, 2010, 11:53 AM
id have to say ukitake, i think hes got a lot more to show us later on, hes still got the possibility of more shikai abilities, bankai, and kido which i think he will be a prominate user of. hes got the same amount of experience as shunsui, like badazzken said, they are known for being a duo that fight with each other, they would have to be on the same level to make that work.

kenpachi has a chance though, i would like to think that kenpachi has been a captain for longer than we think and is also on his way to becomeing a lot more powerful. we know that hes talking to his zanpakdo now and that alone has already helped him cut through the strongest heirro of any arrancar so far. im confident we will see him use bankai before the manga ends.

somehow_here
March 10, 2010, 12:03 PM
Kenpachi would probable win some trouble. Kenpachi is really physically fit and has animal instincts. Ukitake has experience, his shupo and great shika ablities. Even though Ukitake would be faster with his shupo, most of his attacks are weaker and slower due to his sickeness. He is much physcially weaker than Kenpachi, who seems to be at his peak of physical prowess. In addition most of Ukitake's attack, I think are base upon using his shika and kido...which Kenpachi doesn't use at all. He only use his own strength.

Primecut
March 10, 2010, 01:41 PM
Ukitake gets stomped. He has no feats showing he can even fight an opponent like Kenpachi. What energy is he going to redirect? He's just gonna get chopped down by a guy who has more power than him in the sword department....and WAY more endurance.

Rainl
March 10, 2010, 03:04 PM
Not enough information on Ukitake's abilities to make this a fair fight. Zaraki wins through feats, unfortunately.

Galbert-Kun
March 12, 2010, 11:13 AM
Wouldn't Ukitake be able to redirect Kenpachi's kendo?

Yans86
March 13, 2010, 07:27 AM
Kenpachi would rape him...bakudou won't work on him like bak.99 didn't work on Ichigo....hadou would at most char him a bit like 90(on Koma) and 96(on Aizen)...
Speed....I don't think there's such a huge gap,and Kenpachi can just grab him and punch him in the stomach to make him swallow 3 liters of blood!

Ukitake being one of the actually oldest captain doesn't mean s**t in the end,there can be thousands reasons for him being alive,like having people butting in to save his a++!damn,Kaien died and Rukia saved his a**!
He got one-shot by WW while Mashiro and Kensei could fight against him.
The only thing OldYama praised beside his personality was his unrivaled team-work with Shunsui due to their complementary abilities:DEFENCE(reflecting all energy attacks)/OFFENSE(1-2hits ko).Beside that,nothing shows that he is worth the hype!he screwed everything,everytime,even the more basic rules of shinigami of fair fights ecc......

Katz
March 13, 2010, 07:48 AM
I voted for Ukitaki just for the sheer fact we haven't seen all he can do, sure WW one-hitted him but that as by surprise (still his fault for letting himself getting snuck up on like that) I'd still like to see what his bankai holds, how'd he'd do if he didn't have TB etc etc

Kenpachi is still my favy tho.

Primecut
March 13, 2010, 09:05 AM
This is a kenpachi stomp. Ukitake has a 40 in vitality so hes half the captain he used to be....or even less.

Gcat88
March 17, 2010, 11:45 AM
Well we have no idea what the extent of his power truly is. he has never shown his true power. He was trained by Yama so weak he isnt. Ken is all about strength, and Utiaki would lose, but the Zampakuto is where the match will be decided.

Primecut
March 17, 2010, 01:12 PM
Ukitake starts hacking up blood to make Kenpachi walk away out of pity. Then Ukitake claims victory. That's his only chance..otherwise Kenpachi slices and dices him.

Lunatic Scream
March 25, 2010, 04:19 PM
Ukitake hasn't even had a real fight yet, and chances are his shikai still has another ability. Until Kubo stops plotfucking him, it's pretty much impossible to guess where Ukitake really stands combatwise.

WhisperPL
April 18, 2010, 11:58 PM
Someone remember when Stark came for Orihime? Kenpachi and Ichi didint even see when he vanished. I think Kenpachi have NO chance. Shinsui & ukitake can survive the fight with yamamoto who can beat kenpachi with a wooden sword in his hand:P

kkck
April 19, 2010, 12:14 AM
Wonder if starrk was aided by some form of kido of sorts with aizens help. Starrk disappeared way too fast and orihime was instantly were aizen was. COnsidering how much and how long ichigo has to move to get to orihime I would find it hard to believe starrk simply used sonido to travel roughly 25% of las noches that fast.

El Samurai Guapo
April 19, 2010, 12:41 AM
Someone remember when Stark came for Orihime? Kenpachi and Ichi didint even see when he vanished. I think Kenpachi have NO chance. Shinsui & ukitake can survive the fight with yamamoto who can beat kenpachi with a wooden sword in his hand:P

When will people realize that Ukitake Juushirou is the only character in the bleach verse that has a zanpakutou that can be at least somewhat of a counter to ryujin jakka? That's the only reason why him and Shunsui survived as long as they did against yamamoto.

AlB
April 19, 2010, 02:03 AM
Someone remember when Stark came for Orihime? Kenpachi and Ichi didint even see when he vanished. I think Kenpachi have NO chance. Shinsui & ukitake can survive the fight with yamamoto who can beat kenpachi with a wooden sword in his hand:P

neither did Ukitake
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/363/11/

man, Kenpachi's spiritual pressure alone would be enough to beat the shit out of Captain Tuberculosis. :D oh, well, maybe that's overstating it. but seriously Kenpachi would win. nothing we have seen of Ukitake has confirmed that he is on the level of strongest captains


When will people realize that Ukitake Juushirou is the only character in the bleach verse that has a zanpakutou that can be at least somewhat of a counter to ryujin jakka? That's the only reason why him and Shunsui survived as long as they did against yamamoto.

and Shunsui's game thing probably helped too.

poobert
April 19, 2010, 07:00 AM
Ken is too slow. Before he one shot Nnoi, he was getting thrashed sideways. He couldn't keep up with the swords of the level 5 espada and lets be honest. Nnoi is just so much slower and weaker than Uli and everyone above. At best, Ken is a touch faster than shikai Ichigo (albeit much stronger).

Uki is miles and miles faster. He is also one of the best kido users in SS:

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/165/11/ -this is what kido by a good user does

Uki will poke holes in ken while he is kendoing thin air. God forbid he tries using a higher level kido. Uki also has the benefit of two swords. One to block, one to slice through ken, while ken struggles with the speed.

And then we have bankai. Don't know what it does, but if it increases Uki's power by 5 to 10 times, Ken is boned.

WhisperPL
April 19, 2010, 08:31 AM
Like Aizen said ichigo fights was set up and each time the enemy was stronger renji/kenpachi/byakuya http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/397/06/ this means Kenpachi is just like a kid if you want compare him to Ukitake.

poobert
April 19, 2010, 09:28 AM
After some thought, I think Uki might actually be a melee fighter by nature. First is his dual swords which scream melee and next is his negate energy blasts.

If you are fighting someone who will just throw your energy attacks back at you, you are forced to fight melee. Uki's shikai is designed to force the enemy to fight sword to sword, unless they are so stupid they get killed by their own attack.

Pavitre
April 19, 2010, 09:36 AM
kenpachi:- yare yare you dont look strong
Ukitake:- um.. eh.. hmmm
kenpachi:- lost your tongue
Ukitake:- hmph, I'll discipline you
Kenpachi:- muahahahah

reiatsu flares
sword slashes

Kenpachi:- ahahaha ora ora ora
ukitake:- hmmm you'r strong no doubt

"nami kotogotoku waga tate to nare, ikazuchi kotogotoku waga yaiba to nare"

Ukitake:- ...

Kenpachi:- 2 swords? interesting
Ukitake:- this is the first and last time you'll be seeing this. Kido....

Kenpachi:- hmmm eh?

smoke clears

Ukitake:- rest in peace

grrr grrr grgr grg r g

Kepachi:- hahahaha
Ukitakie:- im..impossible

Kenpachi:- you hide behind your kido, not worthy of a warrioir
KENDO
Ukitake:- ya..yamase.. sensei

Kenpachi:- yachiru come, onward to next

Raizen
April 19, 2010, 02:58 PM
When will people realize that Ukitake Juushirou is the only character in the bleach verse that has a zanpakutou that can be at least somewhat of a counter to ryujin jakka? That's the only reason why him and Shunsui survived as long as they did against yamamoto.
That is pure assumptions actually. As we know, yama has much more than just fire at his disposal. Saying that they only survived due to uki's ability is lame. What about the fact that yama praised as being the best captain around

El Samurai Guapo
April 19, 2010, 08:42 PM
That is pure assumptions actually. As we know, yama has much more than just fire at his disposal. Saying that they only survived due to uki's ability is lame. What about the fact that yama praised as being the best captain around

Well you know what, you're lame. Every single time you make a post you just repeat your "but yamamoto praised them!!!111" rhetoric, probably because you have little else to go by.

And no, it is not an assumption that Juushirou is the only character in bleach, that we know of, that has an ability that can absorb and redirect yamamoto's flames. Yeah, Yamamoto may have other things he can do but let's face it, 90% of what he does involves fire.

On another note, Kenpachi has had an arm put through his body too (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/310/18/), yet he keeps on fighting, unlike Juushirou. If Juushirou couldn't survive that attack from WW, then there's no way he's surviving a cut from an eye patch-less Kenpachi. Whereas Juushirou could cut Kenpachi all day long with his inefficiently shaped shikai and Ken would still be standing there (most likely grinning too).

Eddy01741
April 19, 2010, 09:41 PM
Please calm down. Personal arguments should not exist (or if they do exist, on PMs so you don't get in trouble (hopefully)).

Anyways, as for the topic, ignoring some... heated arguments.....

I personally don't think that Kenpachi would "own" Ukitake. I mean, we haven't seen much of Uki and we've seen a good deal of Kenpachi. Ukitake has no battle evidence to support that he is strong (other than redirecting cero meteroletra which was apparently capable of harming Shunsui (or else he wouldn't have tried to dodge them)), he has the praise of Yama-jii, and we know that him and Shunsui (and Unohana and Yama) were one of the "old guard" even 100 years ago, meaning that they were all older than all the vizards by quite a bit.

Basically, there isn't much canonical evidence for Ukitake since we've seen so little of him and his abilities in battle, but just because he isn't proven in battle, doesn't mean that he's not a very venerable opponent (although, it's perfectly possible that he is just a weakling, but background on Ukitake suggests otherwise). As lack of evidence is not proper evidence, nobody can say here without a doubt that Kenny>Ukitake (conversely, nobody can say that Ukitake>Kenpachi). So this really is a poll based on opinions.

I personally believe that Ukitake will be a capable fighter due to his experience and praise from other captains. Thus I believe that Kenpachi would not own in him a fight.

Pavitre
April 20, 2010, 08:36 AM
the point of ukitake going down by a single hit while kenpachi being capable of enduring severe wounds is a crucial factor too. I think ukitake is too sick too engage in a long duel with anyone and kenpachi is a long duel specialist, unless ukitake like yama can bring kenpachi to his knees by displaying some refined swordsmanship, this fight can go either way, uki seems to have lost his touch due to his illness

Raizen
April 20, 2010, 11:09 AM
Well you know what, you're lame. Every single time you make a post you just repeat your "but yamamoto praised them!!!111" rhetoric, probably because you have little else to go by.

And no, it is not an assumption that Juushirou is the only character in bleach, that we know of, that has an ability that can absorb and redirect yamamoto's flames. Yeah, Yamamoto may have other things he can do but let's face it, 90% of what he does involves fire.

On another note, Kenpachi has had an arm put through his body too (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/310/18/), yet he keeps on fighting, unlike Juushirou. If Juushirou couldn't survive that attack from WW, then there's no way he's surviving a cut from an eye patch-less Kenpachi. Whereas Juushirou could cut Kenpachi all day long with his inefficiently shaped shikai and Ken would still be standing there (most likely grinning too).
Haha, someone got the panties in a bunch. So i can't bring up the fact that yama praised them when it is canon fact? :blink. Wow. Just b/c you can't counter it you attack me. How sad.

Yama also knows about uki's abilities. So someone as smart as him wouldn't use fire so carefree to have it used back against him

And Kenpachi has one of the highest stamina in all of bleach. You make fun of uki and yet someone who has muscles like kensei got owned by a sword stab and so did all the other vizards. Uki was actually hit by arguably the strongest arrancar we have yet seen. Yea, ken can hurt uki, but thing is can he catch him. And saying that ken can tank uki's attack is another assumption considering uki is guess what.. praised by yama as one of the top captain

freshseth83
April 21, 2010, 02:54 AM
yeah this is the difference, top tier captain vs. a brutal monster. unrefined at best is what i would call kenpachi. Uki might not have the brute strength or the power that ken-chan has, but he's got experience on his side, super speed, and wits about him that ken probably has no business caring for. I would say it'd be a hard fight with no winner. Ken would get bored because Uki doesn't find pleasure in fighting or killing those who aren't a match for him. Like Lillinette. He swatted her cero away like it was nothing.

vizardichigo
April 21, 2010, 03:11 AM
Dont know Uki's full skills yet but based on hype alone i think he would take it...He has been since the SS Arc along with Shunsui, and IMO Shunsui definitely did not disappoint, i don't expect Ukitake to either....Kenpachi is my fav character ( along with Aizen and GJ) but i think he would lose this one..

Delbi
April 21, 2010, 03:19 AM
Ken all the way. Ukitake's Shikai is useless in this fight, and he doesn't have anything we know of that is going to put Ken down. He'd put up a good fight just beacuse of how skilled he is, but he'd eventually be overpowered or outlasted.

Raizen
April 21, 2010, 11:56 AM
1. We all thought that shunsui's shikai has to do with wind and it turned out completelly different. My bet is that there is more to uki's shikai. Furthermore, even if the shikai does not work, it does not matter. Uki has shown to be skilled with kido and his sword skills are definitely not lacking either.

2. If we are going to do a hypothetical match-up, then there should be nothing left one chance. That means, no sickness affecting uki.

3. Ken is strong, but he can't hurt what he can't hit. Furthermore, if you think he can tank hits from a senior captain, that is wrong

Lunatic Scream
April 22, 2010, 11:38 AM
I will note that Kenpachi is RIDICULOUSLY slow. Probably the only slower captains are Mayuri and Komamura. I don't even think Kenpachi knows Shunpo. All of the opponents he has fought have been big, and slow, or stupid. Or all three.

Basically, although Kenpachi has looked pretty great in all of his fights, they have all also been wildly in his favor. Strength based match ups with a guy who is, let's face it, the most brute-force based character in the series.

freshseth83
April 23, 2010, 02:34 AM
I will say Zaraki isn't the fastest guy, but he isn't 'slow'. He can keep up when needed to. I would say his awareness is pretty high. I bet he can sense reaitsu and would be a match for Ukitake, but Ukitake knows kidou, and is probably as efficient as anyone in it. He's calm mannered which is the opposite of Zaraki also. I think they are almost opposites. The only one I would say which is more opposite than him is Byakuya. I think it'd be a drawn out fight that Ukitake wouldn't find a reason to kill Zaraki. And Zaraki would get bored and say something like, See ya later, I aint gettin nothing outta this fight.

Weapon_X
April 28, 2010, 09:10 AM
Going by what we've seen so far - Kenpachi.

But I still think Ukitake would win once Kubo decides to focus on his properly and make him fight at full strength with Bankai etc

Immo
April 28, 2010, 09:45 AM
Ukitake use probably most kido spells without incantation. He knows, that fighting in close combat vs Kenpachi is very risky, and that Kenpachi doesnt know any kido, or long range attacks. Ukitake is faster then Kenpachi and has more battle experience. Im very big fan of Kenpachi but I personally dont se him winning this. Ukitake just has to stay away from him, and spam kido spells. Kenpachi is doomed.

Raizen
April 28, 2010, 11:56 AM
^^ Yes, uki is said to have 100 in kido, so i am sure we will see some high level kido from him. And being one of yama's elites means he is sure to be crazy strong