One Piece 578 Discussion / 579 Prediction

[Shiro-kun]

Sengoku is full of pwnds its just takes forever for him to do so haha

Croc saving Luffy (and Jinbei) again? he must love his (former?)archnemesis that he defeated twice and poisoned before being defeated :oh

The whitebeard pirates are going to gang up on Akainu? (Akainu is quite arrogant to face them all ..but beforewards he was really gunning to kill Luffy shiittt ..)

I like The Shonen Jump front page it looks like Luffy is kicking Ichigo Lmao xD


edit: special mentions are in order Buggy and Law ...haha xD Buggy really hit up the badass and Law is going to help Luffy :)

[bittman]

You know, I always just predicted that only WB would die here. And then Ace died, and I was like "oh well it happens" but until late last chapter, I never thought the WB pirates wouldn't somehow still escape.

But now after looking at these pictures, it's quite possible Akainu may take out the entire WB force and leave almost nothing more of the WB pirates.

I can't even imagine who is left to halt Akainu and Aokoji. I expected, last chapter, that perhaps Jimbei would break some ice and Iva would delay Akainu, but both of them appeared to have no affect on the admirals. Speaking of Admirals:

Chapters Kizaru has been missing for: 5 6!

Still disappointed in this chapter. Again so much cameo, yet so little substance. Only decent thing was Sengoku moving, but he should have done that shit from the start. But it's a Shonen manga and uses this thing called "escalation". You can't escalate a war if someone blasts away all the ships from the start...

Maybe the BB pirates not named Blackbeard will do something soon?

[aizen uchiha]

if luffy leaves the battle field, will we see the outcome of the battle, or learn about it second hand ?

[ocajavati]

Wow. This does not bode well for the Whitebeard Pirates. At all.

Sengoku friggin' proving his worth, at long last.

[Kaos-Sensei]

Just saw the pics...Sengoku basically saying to BB to "just talk to my hand"! haha.

OMG WTF OWND and PWND BUDDHA PALM FTW!!...i knew sengoku would own at some point during this war. I mean HES THE TOP MARINE. the only ones close to his power would be garp in the marines and the only reason he isnt the top marine is because he always refused his promotions. im a lil sad ivan didnt do more to akainu. stupid logias always owning ppl

[Shiro-kun]

Kizaru being gone may lead to something( or not ..) but a lot of characters (war only ) have been missing for some chapters ...it was nice to know the Mihawk didnt kill Crocodile ...

[elitefox]

You know, I always just predicted that only WB would die here. And then Ace died, and I was like "oh well it happens" but until late last chapter, I never thought the WB pirates wouldn't somehow still escape.

But now after looking at these pictures, it's quite possible Akainu may take out the entire WB force and leave almost nothing more of the WB pirates.

I can't even imagine who is left to halt Akainu and Aokoji. I expected, last chapter, that perhaps Jimbei would break some ice and Iva would delay Akainu, but both of them appeared to have no affect on the admirals. Speaking of Admirals:

Chapters Kizaru has been missing for: 5 6!

Still disappointed in this chapter. Again so much cameo, yet so little substance. Only decent thing was Sengoku moving, but he should have done that shit from the start. But it's a Shonen manga and uses this thing called "escalation". You can't escalate a war if someone blasts away all the ships from the start...

Maybe the BB pirates not named Blackbeard will do something soon?

Bout Kizaru missing...

he is charging up an energy ball, you know how long it takes :p

seriously where the hell is he, at least kuzan is doing something and its even harder to escape than to infiltrate lol


Woots Croco vs Akainu
I think No one can stop Akainu except Croco and Marco

Croco is just returning the favor to luffy for giving him a special seat in war. Magma will turn croco to diamond lol...

[lelouche123]

if luffy leaves the battle field, will we see the outcome of the battle, or learn about it second hand ?

no men dont say that , oda please dont doit that

we have to seen how finish this , i have to seen if the pirats it runaway or lost , comeon its almost over

[ocajavati]

no men dont say that , oda please dont doit that

we have to seen how finish this , i have to seen if the pirats it runaway or lost , comeon its almost over

Oda is not going to show the fights.

Probably going to leave it with a message about how most of the pirates perished for a new hope or whatever. Some might survive, but only plot critical characters.

Ahh, I'm just not happy about how the Whitebeard pirates might all be meeting their untimely end. With Garp and Sengoku, the BB pirates just won't be getting slack.

[Shiro-kun]

just to show how depressing this arc turned out to be

The message of WB pirates perishing is a lot more frightening than actually seeing it the actual perishing :(

[Cedde]

Never thought all of the white beard pirates would die... lets hope some survive.. or at least die by taking down akainu.

I find Law's appearance to be.. odd. he doesn't fit there.

[deffkryz]

So to say - the chapter's out, isn't it? And as it seems Luffy lost Shanks' strawhat (http://www.imagebam.com/image/fb53ac72196643)? I can't see it anymore once Crocodile attacks Akainu and sends Jinbei and Luffy up to the sky...

[junjun2]

How do you translate MugiwaraYa in English?

[Charlie]

Wow the color cover page is awesome! Can't wait for the HQ version of that!

This just needs to be said... Buggy is just epic!

His bounty should at-least be over hundred million after this. Not to mention all

the rumors that are going to spread about him all over the world. :)

edit:

@ japjapjunjun: I think you can take some liberties with that but, perhaps "Strawhat-boy/kid" would fit.

Even "Strawhat-yo", would fit IMO or just plain "Strawhat". ;)

[bittman]

So to say - the chapter's out, isn't it? And as it seems Luffy lost Shanks' strawhat (http://www.imagebam.com/image/fb53ac72196643)? I can't see it anymore once Crocodile attacks Akainu and sends Jinbei and Luffy up to the sky...

Cheers for that, I didn't even notice.

Oh god, as if Luffy losing Ace wasn't bad enough. If he loses that Strawhat....

...well let's just hope someone picks it up. It's almost something Garp might do. Ok I'm just honestly searching for something for Garp to do after this war.

Then again it feels like Luffy's lost it before and it just magically appeared back on his head. And yet there was a small focus on the hat falling from his head. Small things like that often come back.

[lelouche123]

this chapter its good , the page when its akinu against the wb's comander its aewsomw , that yes most be the colorspread:o:o:o


So to say - the chapter's out, isn't it? And as it seems Luffy lost Shanks' strawhat (http://www.imagebam.com/image/fb53ac72196643)? I can't see it anymore once Crocodile attacks Akainu and sends Jinbei and Luffy up to the sky...


yes youre right , dawm , more bad news , wht more can hapens now , im just have fate of the comanders bit akainu

[ScratchmenApoo]

Law is a doctor but how can he save Luffy ? Luffy is mentally destroyed... I don't think his internal injures are that bad, are they ? Or maybe Iva's hormones screwed up his body from the inside as well ?

[Kaizoku-O Luffy]

Law is a doctor but how can he save Luffy ? Luffy is mentally destroyed... I don't think his internal injures are that bad, are they ? Or maybe Iva's hormones screwed up his body from the inside as well ?

Even though he is mentally collapsed. His internal injuries aren't healed yet. If i remember correctly Iva said that that hormones thingy will manipulate the body into thinking that the body is good however the injuries are still there.

[HikaruYami]

Never thought all of the white beard pirates would die... lets hope some survive.. or at least die by taking down akainu.

I find Law's appearance to be.. odd. he doesn't fit there.

Disagree. Ace's execution was in the news more than long enough ago for someone to make it from Shabondy to the Marine HQ. Moreover, Oda specifically never showed Law on Shabondy when we saw the other Supernovas' reactions. I think he's been planning the appearance of the doctor supernova for a good while, possibly since Luffy first started amassing all this damage in Impel Down. (now, I'm of the opinion that Oda has his grander-scale things planned out way farther in advance than that, but I'm talking about one detail like this)

I believe Law will further explain his presence shortly, ie next week.

[Shiro-kun]

Law is a doctor but how can he save Luffy ? Luffy is mentally destroyed... I don't think his internal injures are that bad, are they ? Or maybe Iva's hormones screwed up his body from the inside as well ?

Not his mental injures

but the injures he substain in the battle , even so also he has just been seriously injured by Akainu a second ago (script and picture confirms ) in the fricken chest he would need serious medical attention

or as Akainu said to Jinbei he would just bleed out

[Lyn685]

I hope Law doesn´t forget about Iva, Inazuma and Crocodile...

[lelouche123]

wait a minute , im wrong or looks like a definitely fight beetwen marco and akainu its posibly that:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Tengu24]

Crocodile is the man is this chapter for sure ! who is the one that wants to take luffy(last panel).. I think something very nice is about to happen(luffy gets training??)

[moonster x]

Disagree. Ace's execution was in the news more than long enough ago for someone to make it from Shabondy to the Marine HQ. Moreover, Oda specifically never showed Law on Shabondy when we saw the other Supernovas' reactions. I think he's been planning the appearance of the doctor supernova for a good while, possibly since Luffy first started amassing all this damage in Impel Down. (now, I'm of the opinion that Oda has his grander-scale things planned out way farther in advance than that, but I'm talking about one detail like this)

I believe Law will further explain his presence shortly, ie next week.

no... law was at shabondy at that time and after that he setting sail.. and now we know where he going...:p wow he really using a submarine.. he look kind of a guy who like interesting thing..:D
crocodile look cool when he trying to save luffy...

[Gats]

Law, with his devil fruit power can do miracles as a doctor. I just don't know why he thinks Luffy would be his enemy, it seems he doesn't get what kind of man Luffy is yet.

[Vetinari clone]

Well R.I.P Croc (seriously the guy has no chance against Akainu).

We know a least Marco will survive this conflict. The man can't die, plus he can fly.

@ deffkryz: Well done on noticing the hat, I would have never caught that. I find the idea of Luffy losing his hat to be disturbing, it just seems wrong. He can't lose his hat after all this, that's just a low blow.

I'm not so sure how I feel about Law showing up, he is my favorite Nova but until we get some sorta explanation as to why he came here that goes beyond "it would be a shame to let Strawhat die here" I'm gonna feel a little bit disappointed with this development.

@ Gatsuga: Two points; first he could be thinking about what kind of man he is, second um they are both aiming to be pirate king of course they will be enemies.

[happy GIN smily]

i like the appearance of Law
he allways seemed to be well informed and smart. So he might have a good plan.
but i dont think that he planned to show up at the battlefield from the beginning. he came for Luffy after he saw him on "publick viewing". just why does he want to safe him? it makes no sense to me to put himself in such a danger only to safe a rival

[yellowblue]

Law appearing now seems like reading a fake spoiler. Showing up after BB and revealing he wants to save Luffy is quite odd. Unless he is connected to Dragon or Garp saving him I can't see any reason for his action.

[The Closet Pervert]

Luffy lost his crew, his brother, and now Luffy lost the strawhat too. And he's got potentially lethal injuries.

Luffy is at the very bottom. Only way from here is up.

[DARK]

Sengoku friggin' proving his worth, at long last.

So Marineford is worth more to Sengoku than two of the world's most dangerous criminals? Is that why he is finally deciding to engage in the battle?
If only Garp was here to back him up...

[Isto]

I think the reason why law came to help luffy stands behind law in the last page. A pirate called Jean Bart.

When luffy punched that tenryubito in the slave auction and law released Jean Bart, law said that half of your thanks should go to strawhat luffy.

I think Jean Bart asked a favor / begged law to go help luffy when he saw luffy in that fight. To repay his debt to luffy.

BTW. Why does Jean Bart seem to be always angry or something.

[Fox666]

Law appearing now seems like reading a fake spoiler. Showing up after BB and revealing he wants to save Luffy is quite odd. Unless he is connected to Dragon or Garp saving him I can't see any reason for his action.Well, I kinda of like it, because he used a submarine. That's very usefull!

I hope so see some conversation beetween Law and Doflamingo about the "smilies". =P

[Razh]

Damn, you gotta love the manga in which the hero almost gets killed while he's already half dead. :p

I suppose somebody will pick his hat up and give it to him later. I don't think the pirates are all doomed. If all 3 admirals were up against them, I'd be worried. Akainu is strong, but since there are Haki users among pirates, it's possible that he can be hurt.

[DARK]

Damn, you gotta love the manga in which the hero almost gets killed while he's already half dead. :p

I suppose somebody will pick his hat up and give it to him later. I don't think the pirates are all doomed. If all 3 admirals were up against them, I'd be worried. Akainu is strong, but since there are Haki users among pirates, it's possible that he can be hurt.

At least Marco and Vista are shown to be Haki users among the WB pirates, and they are both currently assisting Jinbei in trying to get Luffy off the battlefield.
Yes, things would be a lot more problematic if Kizaru shows up as well. Out of the three Admirals, I think that he is the one who could deal the most damage to the WB Pirates should they engage in battle.

[Razh]

I'm kinda worried about Kizaru though. The fact that he has been off panel for so long could mean that he's executing some plan that will put the pirates in even worse situation.
Just remember what happened the last time an admiral was missing.

[Fox666]

You mean Akainu coming from the ground or Aokiji freezing the sea?

Akainu can't stand against all those guys, even worse he is severely injured. Marco and Vista are very strong. Since Marco is equally injured, I suppose we will see Akainu x Marco?

[PaLLl]

I might think Kizaru would be in next week , trying to stop Law ))))

[Manoira87]

guys is plausbile for me that one of the SN showing up, because all SN set sail, we saw it in the last chapters, all of them are going to fishmanisland.... an this is 20.000 feet under MQH!

[Schabrak]

Akainu can't stand against all those guys, even worse he is severely injured. Marco and Vista are very strong. Since Marco is equally injured, I suppose we will see Akainu x Marco?Going 1VS1 with Akainu has been proved to be a suicidal act. [did'nt read Vagabund vol 26/27?XD]The biggest chance to take him down is attacking him from all sides, with some haki users weakening him, while Croc tries to cut him down even more. We saw from WB that being heavy injured did not interrupt him to go all out on MF/Akainu, so that got to be no problem to Akainu too, espeically while being a logia user. big lol for Croc being the only logia user on WBs side.

We don't know if Law has observed the fight with his submarine and just emerged only now to rescue Luffy from the danger.

[ScratchmenApoo]

I don't like to think that the only reason why Crocodile is helping Luffy & co. all the time is just because he doesn't want to see the marines be happy. That doesn't sound like a good enough reason for him to do so much in this war (I mean his only reason was to kill Whitebeard but he is already dead).
Maybe he is doing it for some other factors but he doesn't want to hurt his pride as a villain and expose his real reasons ?

[deffkryz]

I'm kinda worried about Kizaru though. The fact that he has been off panel for so long could mean that he's executing some plan that will put the pirates in even worse situation.
Just remember what happened the last time an admiral was missing.

Sentoumaru and Smoker have been absent as well so far. I sense big trouble for Hancock somehow...

[Razh]

Since Marco is equally injured, I suppose we will see Akainu x Marco?

Marco is not injured. He has a devil fruit that regenerates every injury and those sea stone cuffs were taken off ages ago.
[hr]

Sentoumaru and Smoker have been absent as well so far. I sense big trouble for Hancock somehow...

Smoker?

The name feels familiar, but I don't know who you're talking about...

[Fox666]

It regenerates injures while in his Phoenix form. We can still see some injures on him:
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/574-53/7
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/575-55/5 (it is still at his cheek)

[sarutobi_sensei]

God it's epic.

Everysingle one is fighting to protect Luffy.

Crocodile is such a Tsundere xD DAmn he is badass.

I didn't see Iva and Inazuma being taken out.

Law's entrance was fucking epic.

[beastboy]

Crocodile must have a so twisted secret that will make us all love him...

[Razh]

It regenerates injures while in his Phoenix form. We can still see some injures on him:
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/574-53/7
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/575-55/5 (it is still at his cheek)

Wounds are regenerated, the blood doesn't just magically disappear.
There's also a question why he would suffer instead of just healing and he did turn into Phoenix form when he attacked Akainu along with Vista.

[happy GIN smily]

i must say that during this war Crocodile lost much of his vilian status.
that cant all be just because he doesnt want the Marines to win. there must be something in his background

[sarutobi_sensei]

Well, maybe he is WB's actual son/daughter xD and he wants to avenge his father.

[GomuGomuNoBigBoner]

what a kick-ass chapter, akainu vs croc+wb pirates must have a magnificient outcome i bet.
but one thing actually makes me wonder, in this pic: http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2571/wwwdotuporg729388.jpg luffy loses his straw hat and i dont really see anyone picking it up thereafter

[JC123]

i must say that during this war Crocodile lost much of his vilian status.
that cant all be just because he doesnt want the Marines to win. there must be something in his background
Odds are since Iva knows him, we'll find out later. Probably a similar backstory to Moria. Since it is canon that Crocodile was once like Luffy (WAAAAY back in the Arabasta arc) I'm sure it has to do with losing his crew.

[THM Nindo]

Am I the only one that feels that it's a bit too much!?
I mean... I understand that they would want to protect him because he's Ace's brother, and because Whitebeard told her to do it....
But not because "they saw the limitless determination and power he has"...

They barely know him, and when did they noticed that!?
When he went for Ace?!

Anyway...
It's nice for the whole world to notice him as someone that needs to make it to the new era, but I think Oda is trying too much on this one...

(I sense the bashing coming... )

[ScratchmenApoo]

I think the massive burst of Haushoku Haki pretty much convinced everyone that Luffy is important somehow...
Since Ace replied "You too..." it can be plausible that Whitebeard Pirates/New World Captains know more about it..

[deffkryz]

Am I the only one that feels that it's a bit too much!?
I mean... I understand that they would want to protect him because he's Ace's brother, and because Whitebeard told her to do it....
But not because "they saw the limitless determination and power he has"...

They barely know him, and when did they noticed that!?
When he went for Ace?!

I guess here (replenished by Iva) (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/568/15/), here (haoushoku burst) (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/569/14-15/) and here (WB pirates compare him to Shanks and WB) (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/570/02/) - plus they know that Luffy had Whitebeard's respect and those are the reasons why they are protecting him.



Anyway...
It's nice for the whole world to notice him as someone that needs to make it to the new era, but I think Oda is trying too much on this one...

They actually didn't notice him. Not in the last chapters since the revelation on his family background.



(I sense the bashing coming... )

Bashing comes from those opposing OP only.

[BurninDarkness]

maan lotss of explanation will be required after this arc about severy1s character who knows what will happen with hancock buggy ivan and jimbei after this
ivan probably will go to dragon maybe she will take luffy with her

[_AceOfSpades_]

Am I the only one that feels that it's a bit too much!?
I mean... I understand that they would want to protect him because he's Ace's brother, and because Whitebeard told her to do it....
But not because "they saw the limitless determination and power he has"...

They barely know him, and when did they noticed that!?
When he went for Ace?!

Anyway...
It's nice for the whole world to notice him as someone that needs to make it to the new era, but I think Oda is trying too much on this one...

(I sense the bashing coming... )

haha, well... It's a jump series, it can't be helped that the protagonist is being... dunno how to put it, 'worshipped'? nah, that's too much.. either way, WB ordered them to support Luffy, WB did that because of the 'will of D'... it makes sense to me. 'the determination and power' ... King's haki, for example... It pretty much saved the day (even though Ace got owned anyway) If you look back on the war so far- Luffy was in the front lines ... had no fear of talking back to WB and taking on 3 admirals by himself (he didn't try to fight them, nonethenless... he didn't waver when he was in front of them) etc. There were some instances that proved everything the WB pirates said... even though the lines sound kinda cheesy (gotta agree on this one) they are justified...

[Host Samurai]

I seriously hope that Buggy will pick up Luffy's Strawhat..He is the only one who knows how important that is to Luffy. Buggy will be known for as the man who 'send' Luffy on the new era. :D

[Black Lagoon]

Am I the only one that feels that it's a bit too much!?
I mean... I understand that they would want to protect him because he's Ace's brother, and because Whitebeard told her to do it....
But not because "they saw the limitless determination and power he has"...

They barely know him, and when did they noticed that!?
When he went for Ace?!

Anyway...
It's nice for the whole world to notice him as someone that needs to make it to the new era, but I think Oda is trying too much on this one...

(I sense the bashing coming... )

Not at all, the pirates somehow feel responsible for Ace's death ... I mean they think they are useless (just like I DO :notrust) and Ace's last will is Luffy, so to lighten the burden of their incompetence they decided to help him, and that without mentioning Luffy's ability to make friends.

[Realtwisted]

Man i super glad Law join the war, he can brake any law...:p
Law law has a strong df power and he is a swordmand
I am sure he can beat anybody , he is even stronger then blackbeard.

[_AceOfSpades_]

Man i super glad Law join the war, he can brake any law...:p
Law law has a strong df power and he is a swordmand
I am sure he can beat anybody , he is even stronger then blackbeard.

get real. a mere supernova stronger than BB? That pretty much defeats the purpose of everything we get to know about BB so far...

[ScratchmenApoo]

I doubt he is stronger than Blackbeard... Especially when Blackbeard now has Gura Gura... To be honest, I think that even Luffy is stronger than Law...
Even though Law has his own treats and skills, he wouldn't survive long in this war...

[Dice]

I always thought the main reason why the are protecting Luffy is because Ace gave his life for him. So they are protecting Ace's legacy. The additional reason only strenghents their resolve to protect him.

[Black Lagoon]

Man i super glad Law join the war, he can brake any law...:p
Law law has a strong df power and he is a swordmand
I am sure he can beat anybody , he is even stronger then blackbeard.

Hey what are you saying?? he's strong yeah but this too much for him, the only thing he can do is ensure Luffy's safety by healing his wound and taking him out of there.

[Realtwisted]

get real. a mere supernova stronger than BB? That pretty much defeats the purpose of everything we get to know about BB so far...

Dont ge me wrong, blackbeard is my favority character but BB new DF power are still new to him, he can do just one move. Law has a strong DF.

[Black Lagoon]

Croc: If you swear to protect him, then get it done!!!
Don't let them have their way any further!!!
Epic, I like him more and more :shakefist

[Host Samurai]

Dont ge me wrong, blackbeard is my favority character but BB new DF power are still new to him, he can do just one move. Law has a strong DF.

Yes and that's it. With one move he can destroy island's, buildings etc. that truly is frightening add that, with his personality. And wait after he has mastered his new ability. Then you have a Pirate, who could destroy the world on a whim. And Law has potential just like Luffy but his Room seems limited to me.

[_AceOfSpades_]

Dont ge me wrong, blackbeard is my favority character but BB new DF power are still new to him, he can do just one move. Law has a strong DF.


BB is not my fav character, but he must have already gotten used to his Yami Yami no mi... I'm not even mentioning Gura Gura no mi, since I have yet to understand what Oda was thinking when he pulled such a move...
Blackbeard IS already beyond the shichibukai level...
everything else would be twisting it......are you suggesting him being threatened by a supernova, who has yet to face the NW? sry, not possible...
as for Crocodile... I get to like him more and more since the ID arc... I even start to wish for him to join the strawhats... either way, I wonder whether he will get to meet Robin again? I would like to see how such encounter would look like ...

[goldb]

Akainu is the true terminator; he always comes back. That guy just won't stay down will he? Just so much stuff happening in this chapter. Where the hell is Kizaru? you'll see next chapter that he's pretty much handled everything else by himself, he seems the type. If Aokiji doesn't want the pirates to escape, why doesn't he just use Ice Age on everything in front of him? immobilise them.

[_AceOfSpades_]

Akainu is the true terminator; he always comes back. That guy just won't stay down will he? Just so much stuff happening in this chapter. Where the hell is Kizaru? you'll see next chapter that he's pretty much handled everything else by himself, he seems the type. If Aokiji doesn't want the pirates to escape, why doesn't he just use Ice Age on everything in front of him? immobilise them.

didn't he do that already? -_-' Partially ... at least...
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/577-69/9

[Yans86]

The best part of all this epicness is that we haven't even crossed the red line....not saying setting foot on Mariejoa and fishman island before reaching the NW....

[jaguar d soul]

i hope marco can do something bout akainu...
he is the first comander by the way...

[elitefox]

BB is not my fav character, but he must have already gotten used to his Yami Yami no mi... I'm not even mentioning Gura Gura no mi, since I have yet to understand what Oda was thinking when he pulled such a move...
Blackbeard IS already beyond the shichibukai level...
everything else would be twisting it......are you suggesting him being threatened by a supernova, who has yet to face the NW? sry, not possible...
as for Crocodile... I get to like him more and more since the ID arc... I even start to wish for him to join the strawhats... either way, I wonder whether he will get to meet Robin again? I would like to see how such encounter would look like ...

might happened lol since Oda is the number unpredictable ninjaauthor :D

I guess it wouldn't be that bad if Croco boy joins but who the hell will invite him, Luffy? or will Croco ask Luffy?
Either is impossible... but there is a possibility

if so, I remember one guy here posted about Luffy getting a logia user, croc is a perfect guy if we don't want any new character :D

[kkck]

I find it interesting that buggy is being called rednose. Perhaps it is to show his connection with the red hair?

[Sachsenhesse]

croc is just genius ^^

i even think he may join the wb -pirates or is recruiting some of them for his new crew, maybe even some out of buggys new crew, so that buggy can become a sh... (still dreaming)

also

LAW ftw! :D

kinde ironic that law is gonna make trouble to the law protecting marines

[hy4k]

law is excellent i agree with that. he certaininly seems the most interesting of all the supernovas. in contrast kidd looks like a violent thug

i doubt croc would join the strawhats. guy is a beast. if anything i expect him to join what remains of the whitebeard pirates, perhaps as their leader or second division commander. jinbei could join too

Akainu is goigng to get owned. not saying he isn't strong but against marco, crocodile, vista, iva and inazuma he stands no chance

[roymustang86]

Really strange to see Law arrive on the scene. and he is a doctor?

And fuck yeaah, Crocodile. Wonder where he was all this while tho, cos he is the perfect match for Akainu.

So the battle really ends with only Luffy and BlackBeard Pirates getting out of Marineford? Thats not a very good ending to the arc.

And man, how many chapters will we hear of Luffy regretting that he couldnt save his brother.

[Grendel]

Since the arc is so epic and involved lots of characters, having Oda mention what happened to every single character worth mentioning would mean a slower pace in the story and we might still be at a point wherein Ace hasn't died yet.

Oda sacrificed detail for a faster pace.

[isrnick]

Another page has appeared, the page where Jimbei and Luffy go flying in Buggy's direction, and it is translated by Aohige_AP.

I already edited and added it to my post in the spoiler Thread. Go check it there. :)

Now we have almost the whole chapter.

[pnyhmsmx]

I never expected Law to appear. I wonder if the some of the other SN will appear.

[Bertosch]

What the heck are Mihawk, Kuma and Co. doing? We haven't seen them at all in this war.

[undertoe]

law is excellent i agree with that. he certaininly seems the most interesting of all the supernovas. in contrast kidd looks like a violent thug

i doubt croc would join the strawhats. guy is a beast. if anything i expect him to join what remains of the whitebeard pirates, perhaps as their leader or second division commander. jinbei could join too

Akainu is goigng to get owned. not saying he isn't strong but against marco, crocodile, vista, iva and inazuma he stands no chance

I doubt the WB pirates would let Croc in considering he just tried to kill WB...

@Roy: We might not see his regret. We don't know how Luffy handles grief. I could see him being catatonic with grief until his body recovers and then being fine, taking it as an opportunity for growth and motivating himself to never let it happen again.

[Bertosch]

I doubt the WB pirates would let Croc in considering he just tried to kill WB...



That is what Ace tried too! More than once ;)

[isrnick]

After the Nami's rescue adventure, and after Robin's rescue adventure!

Oda announces the next "lets rescue a nakama" adventure of the Strawhats: The straw-hat's rescue adventure!!!

They are gonna destroy Marineford (again) so that they can find and get back Luffy's lost straw-hat! :D

[Truefan21]

That is what Ace tried too! More than once ;)

that was when ace first was captured
your comparing apples and oranges

[Gats]

Doflamingo is surely in heaven now, I don't see anything more fun than this for him now besides Dragon's appearance.

[ScratchmenApoo]

Haha, Buggy's funny adventures never stop ! He is such an awesome character and the turn of events in the past 30-35 chapters has made him even cooler.
He will still stay a comic relief character.. nothing big in the future.

[Mr. Crocodile]

I think Law will take luffy jimbei and buggy out of there, then at the last second buggy will remember that luffy forgot his strawhat and then Law would get it using his room technique. And i think at one point maybe next chapter all 3 admirals will face the WB commanders + crocodile at the same time.

[Truefan21]

I am sincerely sorry if I offended you. I had so such intentions.
However your post assumed I wished the SH were involved at the war, and therefore I disliked this arc.

None of which is true.
On my end I won't post after coming home from the dentist.......

I just simply questioned some of the pacing of the story (which is over the top and amazing)
Again, my bad if I pissed you off.
I am very glad to see Law here..
Or more so I'm glad to see Luffy get out now.

Now that he's gone, I hope it gets ugly the marines start a massacre and the BB crew run for it! But in the end Oda will do it how he sees fit...
Which usually turns out best in the end.

Ok then, apology accepted;)

[tiberiuscg]

Haha, Buggy's funny adventures never stop ! He is such an awesome character and the turn of events in the past 30-35 chapters has made him even cooler.
He will still stay a comic relief character.. nothing big in the future.oda said buggys DF is the one he would choose
buggy will be a major character at the end, mark my words

is this buddha DF as rare as marko's?

[Lord Rayleigh]

Seems like Ivankov disagree with you when he said, long before he knew that Ace is Roger's son, that he doesn't see the interest of drawing out both Dragon and WB ( link : http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000166222/12.jpg )

That means that Dragon isn't the kind of man to let his son die like that if you see what i am saying

Actually, this page means nothing. Ivankov thought that Dragon may come but he had absolutely no idea about it, he could only imagine it. Indeed, he only knows Dragon as a revolutionary and the flashback clearly showed clearly that Iva does not know anything about Dragon and his family : he cannot know if Dragon would try to save his son.
The only meaningful thing we saw with the flashback was that Dragon refuses to mix his family and his revolutionary engagement, which can only leads us to think fact he'd not come to MHQ because of his family affairs.

[panasit]

Finally a single ray of hope after one shocking attack on our psyche after another.
I was hoping Law would be able to fix Ace, but since his corpse is where it was it is unlikely. Luffy is not going to be the same when he wakes up. I always thought Law was a supernova that stand out. His design, although dark, is too... I should say, hip japanese-teenager like, which tells me that he's going to be involved with Strawhat crew on the more equal footing level. May be he will be a rival the same way Whitebeard was to Roger.

This arc is not bad. The thing is that, it's painful to go back and read the beginning of the arc knowing that Ace will die, especially seeing how Luffy is so determined and tried so so hard. This is the first arc in One Piece that is this dark and people were caught of guard.

[Poneglyph420]

Ok then, apology accepted;)

Apology.... Yes I'm sorry I upset you... however don't assume you know what I'm thinking...... this is a 2 way street bro.

Back on topic.. I really love Law's ship it's got those creepy cool lanterns and a "stereotypical" pirate feel, even as a Sub...

Croc. wow buddy what a transformation of character, facing off against the marines and Akainu specifically... Wow big balls. I'm hoping that this transformation leads to him coming back as a continued cameo.. Maybe as a liberated pirate once again...

What do we all think of Akainu Vs. the WB crew???
I'd love to hear your impressions.....

Sengoku, you are indeed the cunning and clever master mind...
Well played... well played.

[undertoe]

is this buddha DF as rare as marko's?

Only classes of DFs are rare. Every individual DF is equally rare... only one of each type exists in the world at any one point in time. So yes, you could say the "Buddha" DF is as rare as the phoenix DF.

[Bugzee]

I quite like the look of Law's submarine-ship. :tem

The spoilers gave me the impression that it was only Law by himself at Marineford, lol I'm glad his main crew is with him! I missed Bepo! :shakefist Look at his mean looking face lol.

Jinbei really has taken some fatal hits from Akainu, I really hope he goes with Luffy onto Law's ship. So it looks like the WB pirates (+ Croco-boy) will all go up against
Akainu!? I can't wait!

[vpyr]

Only classes of DFs are rare. Every individual DF is equally rare... only one of each type exists in the world at any one point in time. So yes, you could say the "Buddha" DF is as rare as the phoenix DF.

Maybe maybe not.... if i remember right i mystical zoan fruit is much more rare then a normal pare-fruit... because if that wouldn't be the case one of the sn(apoo if i remember right) wouldn't be so much suprised to see that drak had one

[undertoe]

Maybe maybe not.... if i remember right i mystical zoan fruit is much more rare then a normal pare-fruit... because if that wouldn't be the case one of the sn(apoo if i remember right) wouldn't be so much suprised to see that drak had one

Drake had an Ancient Zoan, not a Mythical Zoan. This is still unrelated to what I said, though. Mythical Zoans are a rare CLASS of DF, but all that means is that there are few fruits in that particular class of fruit. No one fruit is rarer than any other, unless some fruits are produced more infrequently by their plants. We'll likely have to wait until Vegapunk shows before we know if that's the case.

[Black Lagoon]

Luffy's stepping on Ichigo with a Gear 3 giant foot ... F**k Yeah :shakefist

[gold349]

oda said buggys DF is the one he would choose
buggy will be a major character at the end, mark my words

is this buddha DF as rare as marko's?

maybe as the next Straw Hat?, we have a liar as Usop why not a coward in Buggy....lets not forget he has been to Rafatel with Roger, he hasn't a crew now they've gone ahead on grand line, Jimbei has a crew he can return to...a slim chance maybe, power isn't everything in the Straw Hats if any reason as to what he can add/bring experience with Roger/knows Shanks/has been to Rafatel/love hate relationship with Luffy, he has been around from the beginning who knows.

[undertoe]

I don't think Buggy or Crocodile will ever be able to join the SHs. Why? They have the same dream as Luffy. If they were to join the crew, the SHs' dreams wouldn't all be able to come true.

[Isto]

Maybe law has bigger ship somewhere and that submarine is like one of those franky dock things.

Or maybe jean bart + bepo + those two bepo fans are the only crew law has. Law himself being quite powerful making up the lack of numbers. More like friends traveling around like.

With that submarine also law could easily pick the spots he is going to show up, his rounded up bounty also tells about that he has done something big and got that bounty once, maybe he had attention of goverment in only one incident where he got that bounty. Don't rememver what it was but i think it was rounded up like luffy's.

Kid's bounty have a feeling like marines would have been constantly rising it like, ahh... not again, put 2 mil more. Again... 2 mil more... Doing lot's of minor things like killing innocent civilians or some fellow pirates during the way.

I think that if law's pirates and strawhats would be fighting, zoro would fight law and luffy would fight that jean bart. Maybe that jean bart is more powerful than law. Would be another reason to respect jean bart's request for saving luffy and repaying the debt from slave auction.

[_AceOfSpades_]

Luffy's stepping on Ichigo with a Gear 3 giant foot ... F**k Yeah :shakefist

yeah, I hope Ichigo doesn't survive that xD rofl

as for Buggy, I gotta admit that he has some kind of weird ability to be at the right time at the right place... Maybe there is more to him than it seems, he was on Roger's ship after all... oh well, but I think his current role (comedy relief) fits him the best...

[isrnick]

Actually, this page means nothing. Ivankov thought that Dragon may come but he had absolutely no idea about it, he could only imagine it. Indeed, he only knows Dragon as a revolutionary and the flashback clearly showed clearly that Iva does not know anything about Dragon and his family : he cannot know if Dragon would try to save his son.
The only meaningful thing we saw with the flashback was that Dragon refuses to mix his family and his revolutionary engagement, which can only leads us to think fact he'd not come to MHQ because of his family affairs.

Plus, even if Dragon is the kind who would do anything to save his son, he didn't have how to know that Luffy would get involved in this battle, so unless that he was already planning to attack Marineford, without knowing about Luffy's involvement in it, I don't think that he will shows up, no matter what happens to Luffy.

Because if he wasn't planning to attack, he probably is too far away to do anything, and he doesn't have Kizaru's ability to move in the lightning speed and get there fast.

[Primecut]

I guess Crocodile will be the new captain of the Whitebeard pirates after all..

[Black Lagoon]

Lol, Crocodile is such a sweetheart ... I guess Impel Down and WhiteBeard's speech (slightly) reformed him. :grin

He's basically acting like the daddy right now. :p

[Bugzee]

yeah, I hope Ichigo doesn't survive that xD rofl

as for Buggy, I gotta admit that he has some kind of weird ability to be at the right time at the right place... Maybe there is more to him than it seems, he was on Roger's ship after all... oh well, but I think his current role (comedy relief) fits him the best...

Off course my friend! :smugbunny Never underestimate the clown! :shakefist

Well considering the fact that he was part of Roger's crew, there's no suprise that he has a lot of experience. I'm sure he is fully aware of the situation right now and the influence it will have around the world. I'm hoping Buggy & Jinbei will go with Law.

I'm pretty sure Buggy has some neat tricks up his sleeve in regards to his df ability that is. ;)

[Lord Rayleigh]

I'm very interested in what happened to Inazuma and Ivankov in this chapter. They must have been defeated by Akainu after they tried to protect Luffy (and by the way Jimbei). Are they only K.O ? Are they seriously injured by magma ? Are they dead ?
It's not a very important thing for this arc but it's a very important thing for the One Piece whole story. It may mean that Luffy and Dragon will not be friends in the future, that the father will HAVE to fight the son.

[Bugzee]

I don't think Iva & Inazuma are dead. It looks like they got some pretty harsh injuries from Akainu's magma attacks. I'm sure they're exhausted just like Luffy (obviously not to the same extent), they went through the poison treatment too and I'm sure they'll both experience some sort of fatigue/side effects later on as well. Or maybe it's starting kick in already?

Maybe, we'll see a group/unit of RV's showing up? Not necessarily Dragon himself though.

[Black Lagoon]

yeah, I hope Ichigo doesn't survive that xD rofl

as for Buggy, I gotta admit that he has some kind of weird ability to be at the right time at the right place... Maybe there is more to him than it seems, he was on Roger's ship after all... oh well, but I think his current role (comedy relief) fits him the best...

I hope that too xD

As for Buggy, I guess he's the Joker of one piece, the savior, the clown, the Rednoise ... Oda's constantly changing his role from a coward to a savior and the rest of the mentioned roles.:tem

[Isto]

Maybe kizaru went to inform gorusei / asking for help after blackbeard arrived. He may be the fastest one in the marines after all. Or sengoku might have ordered him to give some message or something.

Just wait when buggy get's his hand for the treasure of john he is lusting for.

[Dice]

Maybe Crocodile was the former captain of the second division of the WB pirates. After hearing that Whitebeard didn't want to get the One Piece I tried to convince him and failed since Whitebeard had another dream. That's why Crocodile wanted to fight against Whitebeard for the position of the captain.
In this instant he received his scar lost his hand and had a little turn around. Whitebeard who loves every son of his wasn't able to finish him and tried to convince Crocodile to stay despite his behaviour but the latter refused and tried to find his luck on his own accord. The marines who knew that he was a former commander of the Whitebeard-crew and that he has abadoned them invited him to become a shishibukai.

Just thinking of something that didn't come up so far because I have the feeling that the missing spot of the crew before Ace left might be of importance and that Crocodile will still be of importance.

Mhh I rechecked the chapter strong world to look at the picture of Crocodile. It seems that he is on a ship and people in front of him are raising their hands. Seems like they are celebrating the death of Roger. Doesn't seem like something someone of WB's crew would do. So if my pribble-prabble (is this the right word here? anyway it sound funny :D ) above is correct he joined after that.

[Black Lagoon]

Maybe kizaru went to inform gorusei / asking for help after blackbeard arrived. He may be the fastest one in the marines after all. Or sengoku might have ordered him to give some message or something.

Just wait when buggy get's his hand for the treasure of john he is lusting for.

The broadcast is back again, so those 5 geezers are looking at the show right now (well, only if they're interested but who would miss watching his subordinates "owning" their enemies) thus can judge and make decisions by themselves. :)

[Bugzee]

Maybe kizaru went to inform gorusei / asking for help after blackbeard arrived. He may be the fastest one in the marines after all. Or sengoku might have ordered him to give some message or something.

Just wait when buggy get's his hand for the treasure of john he is lusting for.

That's not a bad idea about Kizaru. I don't think the marines need aid/support now. It seems as though Sengoku is more than enough to take care of the BB pirates now. I guess Sengoku gave Kizaru a request for more back up just in case, maybe??

I can't wait to see Buggy's face if he does discover Capt. John's treasure! :D

[Isto]

Maybe there could be somewhere else kizaru went instead of korusei also.

I just have a hunch he has some kind of a mission going on that includes traveling fast there and back.

[hy4k]

i've got the feeling that blackbeard is going to beat the shit out of sengoku

people delight in calling him a coward, but when he's got his mind set on something he'll follow through regardless of consequences

and right now he wants to destroy the island

[Lord Rayleigh]

Maybe Crocodile was the former captain of the second division of the WB pirates. After hearing that Whitebeard didn't want to get the One Piece I tried to convince him and failed since Whitebeard had another dream. That's why Crocodile wanted to fight against Whitebeard for the position of the captain.
In this instant he received his scar lost his hand and had a little turn around. Whitebeard who loves every son of his wasn't able to finish him and tried to convince Crocodile to stay despite his behaviour but the latter refused and tried to find his luck on his own accord. The marines who knew that he was a former commander of the Whitebeard-crew and that he has abadoned them invited him to become a shishibukai.

Just thinking of something that didn't come up so far because I have the feeling that the missing spot of the crew before Ace left might be of importance and that Crocodile will still be of importance.

Mhh I rechecked the chapter strong world to look at the picture of Crocodile. It seems that he is on a ship and people in front of him are raising their hands. Seems like they are celebrating the death of Roger. Doesn't seem like something someone of WB's crew would do. So if my pribble-prabble (is this the right word here? anyway it sound funny :D ) above is correct he joined after that.

It's interesting about Crocodile being a former second division captain. But when Roger died, he was just a rookie. If it's true, he became a member of the WB pirates later and he is not of the first generation of WB pirates (like Marco, Joz, Vista and BB) that fought against Roger's crew. Anyway, since WB beat him, he may have purposed him to become his son. There's something behind all this.

[Black Lagoon]

Now the only thing I'm worried about is the Hat

It would suck if Luffy loses his Brother and his Hat. :(

But Right now Croco looks a better father figure than Dragon xD

[ScratchmenApoo]

Blackbeard already suffered a bisento in half of his body, a gura gura shockwave through his head and now a shockwave... I'd say he is beaten up quite well... But since in One Piece characters have over 9000 stamina, I think he will be fine. I'm sure Blackbeard will be the one to sink Marineford, then everyone will escape (San Juan carrying Blackbeard Pirates, Marines fleeing on ships)

[hy4k]

blackbeard has to take out a high ranking marine before he leaves

sinking marineford is well and good but if he wants to impress people an admiral or senoku has to die

[Black Lagoon]

Blackbeard already suffered a bisento in half of his body, a gura gura shockwave through his head and now a shockwave... I'd say he is beaten up quite well... But since in One Piece characters have over 9000 stamina, I think he will be fine. I'm sure Blackbeard will be the one to sink Marineford, then everyone will escape (San Juan carrying Blackbeard Pirates, Marines fleeing on ships)

I don't think it's about stamina or whatever, right now he's f**king crazy ... he's at his climax and insignificant things like wound, injuries, pain ... are nothing.
Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment, perhaps you would understand why he's acting like that ... 2 DF's man, but not any regular fruits ... he has the best of the best :)

[Isto]

If sengoku get's pwned i sure hope akainu wont be the next fleet admiral.

Garp as a fleet admiral would be kinda silly.

[Belisar]

strongest villain....my ass. blackbeard gets pwned like a pussy. first whitebeard, now sengoku. he is laughable.

[_AceOfSpades_]

Now the only thing I'm worried about is the Hat

It would suck if Luffy loses his Brother and his Hat. :(

But Right now Croco looks a better father figure than Dragon xD


yeah, losing his hat would make the failure official. Since the hat is the symbol of his promise to shanks and Luffy's ambition to become the pirate king you can formally see how his spirit is cracking after losing Ace. Oh well, we might as well overthinking things and the hat was picked up or sth. lol But losing his hat would confront him with another problem (a more practical one) - I'm talking about Rayleigh's vivre- card. It's in his hat, if I remember correctly? What's Luffy gonna do without it, I wonder? At the same time it would mean that whoever picks the hat up, can get there... oh well, whatever... I already start to imagine things that might result from the whole thing...

[Shiro-kun]

Its just shows us how much stronger that BB has to get by the endgame , but i highly doubt that he has the strength and durability Whitebeard just shown us prior to his death.

[Bugzee]

Luffy won't loose his hat. :notrust *Ponders....*

BB could probably make the island swurve side to side just like WB did against John the Giant; I guess it could have a similar effect on Sengoku.

[hossice]

haha i like the captains teaming up against akainu. "we gonna make you pay" fuck i'd ape shit his ass and still wanna get more. it makes me all tingly inside thinking about it haha but yea its like "we made the mistake once, like hell we'd let it happen twice." for ace anyways they are doing it

[Black Lagoon]

yeah, losing his hat would make the failure official. Since the hat is the symbol of his promise to shanks and Luffy's ambition to become the pirate king you can formally see how his spirit is cracking after losing Ace. Oh well, we might as well overthinking things and the hat was picked up or sth. lol But losing his hat would confront him with another problem (a more practical one) - I'm talking about Rayleigh's vivre- card. It's in his hat, if I remember correctly? What's Luffy gonna do without it, I wonder? At the same time it would mean that whoever picks the hat up, can get there... oh well, whatever... I already start to imagine things that might result from the whole thing...

Exactly, Rayleigh's vivre card isn't that important right now IMO, the only thing Luffy has to do now is rest and recover from wounds, shock and all the "Mental&Physical" stuff he went through during this war since he left Amazon lily.
I think Rayleigh-san himself and the whole SHs would go to look for him.

[Schabrak]

I can't see how people see good in Crocodile even now. He is just fighting for the side, that gives him the greatest advantage, while also attacking those people he hates the most. Don't forget, that they put him onto Impel Down, most probably beaten him there too, just like Ace and Jinbei. WB was at the top of the pirate world, since he was young, but unreachable at the same time.
Even evil people can show pity to those, that impressed them and Luffy for sure did. And again, all this is temporary, till he starts his own crew anew.

Seeing Teach still laughing at Sengoku should be a hint, that he got another trick hidden behind his sleve right now.-> San Juan Wolf wasn't shown in this chapter, so I asume, that he will just jump onto Sengoku in the next chapter and they will wrestle a bit, till BB can flee from the place, but only after he attacks for a last time.

The hat.. I fear for it too. Not only would Luffy lose his dearest relative, but also his only connection his idol Shanks. Where did he hid his vivre card to Rayleight? Not that he has a need for it, with Law taking care of him right now.

[_AceOfSpades_]

I can't see how people see good in Crocodile even now. He is just fighting for the side, that gives him the greatest advantage, while also attacking those people he hates the most. Don't forget, that they put him onto Impel Down, most probably beaten him there too, just like Ace and Jinbei. WB was at the top of the pirate world, since he was young, but unreachable at the same time.
Even evil people can show pity to those, that impressed them and Luffy for sure did. And again, all this is temporary, till he starts his own crew anew.

Seeing Teach still laughing at Sengoku should be a hint, that he got another trick hidden behind his sleve right now.-> San Juan Wolf wasn't shown in this chapter, so I asume, that he will just jump onto Sengoku in the next chapter and they will wrestle a bit, till BB can flee from the place, but only after he attacks for a last time.

The hat.. I fear for it too. Not only would Luffy lose his dearest relative, but also his only connection his idol Shanks. Where did he hid his vivre card to Rayleight? Not that he has a need for it, with Law taking care of him right now.

Oh, common ... Crocodile, right now isn't fighting for his own sake... he's fighting for WB, and what WB stood for... IMO 'cause Crocodile didn't see an enemy in WB, but a rival, or a person superior to himself.... If that wasn't the case he would be just glad when the marines turned the tables on WB (Squardo's betrayal stab)... I know that Crocodile was being a scumbag in Alabasta, but his type doesn't fight for no reason, or out of cruelty(like BB does) He has his pride, at very least. I gotta respect that. He must have a reason, and not a minor at that, I believe... it might be a wishful thinking, but that's just how I see this...
also ... *the hat* ... I just thought that it might turn out to be a problem if the wrong person (marines) picked up the vivre-card... it would lead them straight to... Rayleigh. The same goes for any person who might find that hat later... This is a too improbable of a scenario, but I couldn't help but think it. I guess that won't be the case... your objections are justified... I still insist on the metaphorical meaning of the hat though....

[Roarchu]

Croco is fighting for what's right now. He's not an idiot, he knows the government is the worst, I might explain a little more why I think that, but not now cuz im studying for a math test tomorrow and i dont know anything
anyway, i THINK u might just not be able to forgive him for Alabasta...but I think he is fighting for good now, even tho his thoughts are neutral

[GoTx2]

I'm liking Akainu more and more as each chapter/spoiler comes out. Don't get me wrong, I hated him as much as anyyone else(probably) when he killed Ace, but his determination to catch/kill Luffy is admirable(not sure if that counts as a pun or not, but regardless, it was unintentional).

[_AceOfSpades_]

I'm liking Akainu more and more as each chapter/spoiler comes out. Don't get me wrong, I hated him as much as anyyone else(probably) when he killed Ace, but his determination to catch/kill Luffy is admirable(not sure if that counts as a pun or not, but regardless, it was unintentional).

Actually, with each chapter it only makes him more and more of a freak :facepalm
He really is a 'dog', alright... a dog of the government ...

[DARK]

Now the only thing I'm worried about is the Hat

It would suck if Luffy loses his Brother and his Hat. :(

Don't be so worried about Luffy's straw hat. It's almost as impervious as Luffy is. The chance for Luffy to lose his hat (permanently) right now is almost as likely as Luffy being killed off here.
Luffy promised Shanks to return his hat to him when he becomes a great pirate and established a noteworthy crew.
Luffy may be in a mental shock right now, but I can't see him breaking two of his promises in the same story arc.

[Schabrak]

No hating please. :E He never did anything other marines would not do on Marineford. Sengoku is the top leader, so everyone has to follow his orders as an subordinate, Coby has to, Tashigi has to, Smoker has to and it's even more important that the admirals do so. They are the role models of the marine force, a goal for nearly every member of it. It's a war damn it! And so there are casualities that come with it, that just has to be accepted. They are fighting with swords and cannons, so it's likely that there are some dead bodies lieing aroung Marineford not shown by Oda. :P

And Croc again. He could just be like a Kidd from the past, being rough in his doings.

[RichardMNixon]

Oh, common ... Crocodile, right now isn't fighting for his sake... he's fighting for WB, and what WB stood for... IMO 'cause Crocodile didn't see an enemy in WB, but a rival, or a person superior to himself....

This. I don't think he's a "good guy" in the sense of putting his life on the line for someone else's sake, I think he just really hates the government and is playing for spite now.

[happy GIN smily]

Lol, Crocodile is such a sweetheart ... I guess Impel Down and WhiteBeard's speech (slightly) reformed him. :grin

He's basically acting like the daddy right now. :p

if anybody acts like a daddy here, it is Jinbei
protecting Luffy with his own life.

looks like everybody who stays close to Luffy for a periode of time gets infected with sypathy

[frontaLobotomy]

Oh my.. It's good to see the Marines showing they aren't scared. Sengoku is kicking some ass. I anticpated more from his power than just turning in to some giant statue. Crocodile is continuing to be cool, he does that very well. I wonder if we'll get some hint as to what some of the members of the Shichibukai will do having witnessed Teach's power, and the events of this war. Doflamingo is a bit of a wild card at the moment, all he seems to be doing is laughing a lot. Law turning up didn't suprise me much, his submarine on the other hand..

[hy4k]

i think you guys are giving crocodile too much or too little credit

he's fighting to get back at the marines, that's all

he didn't choose the side with the best chance to win. he isn't a good guy. he's just doing what he wants

[bopnoh10]

From the spoilers, it's obvious that even the elite WB pirates view Luffy's haki as supreme... pretty crazy

[Amazeroth]

I am really wondering, if Croc could dry out Akainu or something else of the strong ones, just like he did with Luffy back in the days.
I mean, why not? At least I hope so.

He has to know, that he can't beat Akainu and co. with just sandstorms and stuff like that.

[k-dom]

Luffy will recover his hat for sure, but who will give him back ? That is the important question. I suppose that will be one of the future touching moment in the story. Remember what is the first thing Luffy thinks to when he wakes up.
In particular if Law takes him away from the battle. I don't know if that will happen but it is a possibility.

[_AceOfSpades_]

This. I don't think he's a "good guy" in the sense of putting his life on the line for someone else's sake, I think he just really hates the government and is playing for spite now.

yes, he isn't a good guy. But he's fighting because when the marines pulled that cheap move against WB he saw his pride as a pirate offended. That's because he accepts WB as the person on top. So basically... yeah... he also hates the government and the marines... but he also hated it when WB, the person that defeated him is being treated like an idiot. That's what I was trying to say ^^'
As for Akainu, he's the one who is most obsessed about 'absolute justice' and while Sengoku got his priorities straight and is fighting BB ... Akainu is trailing... Luffy? It's scary if I think about it, he's like ...totally brainwashed or sth... indoctrinated...

[Roarchu]

As for Akainu, he's the one who is most obsessed about 'absolute justice' and while Sengoku got his priorities straight and is fighting BB ... Akainu is trailing... Luffy? It's scary if I think about it, he's like ...totally brainwashed or sth... indoctrinated...

Agreed, Akainu obeys the government more blindly than any Pacifista out there

[lelouche123]

Don't be so worried about Luffy's straw hat. It's almost as impervious as Luffy is. The chance for Luffy to lose his hat (permanently) right now is almost as likely as Luffy being killed off here.
Luffy promised Shanks to return his hat to him when he becomes a great pirate and established a noteworthy crew.
Luffy may be in a mental shock right now, but I can't see him breaking two of his promises in the same story arc.

i would like than hanckok find the hat or also some sh or all them

[zerocooldx]

Agreed, Akainu obeys the government more blindly than any Pacifista out there

I don't think Akainu is obeying the government blindly in this situation. He sees Luffy as more of a future threat then Blackbeard. Even Aokiji a while back acknowledged that Luffy will be pretty dangerous in the future. Besides i'm sure that Akainu knows that its better to try and kill Luffy, who is being carried away from the battle field, then to fight BB, whose in the middle of the battle field.

[Schabrak]

Agreed, Akainu obeys the government more blindly than any Pacifista out there
Where does he follow the government more blindly than pacifista? Cyborgs, that can't think for themself and are only following direct orders. He can think for himself and works according to the situation.

What's so hard to understand, that he has to follow Luffy now or he will be able to escape? Or do you go shoot the police in GTA, while being on a follow and shot the target down mission? That would be dumb and not tactical right. Akainu did only four things in this war, so it's not like he had many options to decide on.
melted the ice to cook the pirates alive/take down DF users had nearly taken down Whitebeard, if not been interrupted by Ace escape executed Ace... wow that was the plan from the beginning, so not so shocking follows Luffy and obliterates anybody who's standing between him in his target
Would I have done exactly the same in his position? Most likely. Anybody who would not, would be an idiot...imo. He is a marine following the absolut justice after all.

[_AceOfSpades_]

I don't think Akainu is obeying the government blindly in this situation. He sees Luffy as more of a future threat then Blackbeard. Even Aokiji a while back acknowledged that Luffy will be pretty dangerous in the future. Besides i'm sure that Akainu knows that its better to try and kill Luffy, who is being carried away from the battle field, then to fight BB, whose in the middle of the battle field.

yeah, but please note that Akainu considers Luffy to be a threat not because of his power, but because Luffy is 'Dragon's son'... It might be that both comes in a set in his mind, but still... It might be that it's not as apparent as in other situations but I still insist that Akainu is the most extreme out there...
Think about Akainu punishing the deserters, about him blowing up an allied marine ship simply because an 'possibility' existed that some Ohara-people would find shelter there...etc. after knowing all this, are you still able to claim that Akainu is no different from Aokiji etc.? Yes, everyone aknowledged Luffy, but I don't see how everyone is trying to punish Luffy to the same extent as Akainu does. Sry, but it just doesn't sit right with me.

[DARK]

I don't think Akainu is obeying the government blindly in this situation. He sees Luffy as more of a future threat then Blackbeard. Even Aokiji a while back acknowledged that Luffy will be pretty dangerous in the future. Besides i'm sure that Akainu knows that its better to try and kill Luffy, who is being carried away from the battle field, then to fight BB, whose in the middle of the battle field.

Akainu follows Absolute Justice, so he views any and all enemies of the World Government as "evil." At first glance, Akainu should be going after the Blackbeard Pirates, who soiled the reputation of the World Government by becoming one of their "dogs," and later freeing four Level 6 criminals from Impel Down. However, Akainu sees Luffy more of a threat at this point of time, especially when he is about to retreat from the battlefield. Akainu is the type of person who is so cautious about any survivors among his enemies that he killed innocent people to snuff them out. Certainly he won't let Luffy escape his grasp.
Luffy earned the respect of many of the World Government's enemies, from betraying Shichibukai to Revolutionaries and prisoners of Impel Down. Not to mention that Luffy is the son of Dragon, which was the intentional reason of Akainu chasing after him in the first place. Luffy himself has caused a mockery of the WG as well, from the events of Enies Lobby to the Tenryuubito incident.
More importantly, Luffy actually declared war on the government; he is officially their enemy, even if he is comotose. Luffy could be a potential threat in the future, but I think it's more that Akainu wouldn't let any enemy of the World Government escape.

[zerocooldx]

yeah, but please note that Akainu considers Luffy to be a threat not because of his power, but because Luffy is 'Dragon's son'... It might be that both comes in a set in his mind, but still...
Think about Akainu punishing the deserters, about him blowing up an allied marine ship simply because an 'possibility' existed that some Ohara-people would find shelter there...etc. after knowing all this, are you still able to claim that Akainu is no different from Aokiji etc.? Yes, everyone aknowledged Luffy, but I don't see how everyone is trying to punish Luffy at the same extent as Akainu does. Sry, but it just doesn't seem right with me. If you would do the same things as Akainu you must be a closet maneater IMO

Luffy is dangerous because of his blood, and in OP blood-line seems to equal power to a certain amount. As was demonstrated with Ace and Roger, and how the Marines feared of Ace becoming the next PK and thus ultimately his power would grow. Luffy falls into a similar case, if he is allowed to run free he will eventually get too much power, in part because he is Dragon's son. Also I never said Akainu was no different from Aokiji, so i don't know where you got that from. All i said was that both of them acknowledged that down the line Luffy will be a threat. And in this case Akainu is deciding to act on that possibility and trying to eliminate Luffy. While Aokiji decided to let Luffy live in respect to Garp. Akainu trying to kill Luffy is a very logical and rational decision. Thats all i was saying.

@DARK: I don't see how that is really relevant to my post. Unless you are expanding on what i wrote.

[GoTx2]

Where does he follow the government more blindly than pacifista? Cyborgs, that can't think for themself and are only following direct orders. He can think for himself and works according to the situation.

What's so hard to understand, that he has to follow Luffy now or he will be able to escape? Or do you go shoot the police in GTA, while being on a follow and shot the target down mission? That would be dumb and not tactical right. Akainu did only four things in this war, so it's not like he had many options to decide on.
melted the ice to cook the pirates alive/take down DF users had nearly taken down Whitebeard, if not been interrupted by Ace escape executed Ace... wow that was the plan from the beginning, so not so shocking follows Luffy and obliterates anybody who's standing between him in his target
Would I have done exactly the same in his position? Most likely. Anybody who would not, would be an idiot...imo. He is a marine following the absolut justice after all.

I couldn't agree more.
Akainu's options are pretty limited from what I can see.
He could:

Attack BB and Co (who is being dealt with by Sengoku)
Go kill some random NW pirates or look for more deserters
Finish off Luffy, who has shown he will have formidable strength in the future, and could potentially be the one to create a link between the RA and pirates (Their 2 most dangerous enemies)


The answer seems pretty obvious to me...

[_AceOfSpades_]

Luffy is dangerous because of his blood, and in OP blood-line seems to equal power to a certain amount. As was demonstrated with Ace and Roger, and how the Marines feared of Ace becoming the next PK and thus ultimately his power would grow. Luffy falls into a similar case, if he is allowed to run free he will eventually get too much power, in part because he is Dragon's son. Also I never said Akainu was no different from Aokiji, so i don't know where you got that from. All i said was that both of them acknowledged that down the line Luffy will be a threat. And in this case Akainu is deciding to act on that possibility and trying to eliminate Luffy. While Aokiji decided to let Luffy live in respect to Garp. Akainu trying to kill Luffy is a very logical and rational decision. Thats all i was saying.

@DARK: I don't see how that is really relevant to my post. Unless you are expanding on what i wrote.

yeah, Akainu is being really rational...especially when he starts killing off his own comrades in order to obliterate the enemy or because they don't share his opinion... really rational indeed -_-

[undertoe]

^Those actions ARE rational, Ace, if you are seeking absolute justice.

[zerocooldx]

yeah, Akainu is being really rational...especially when he starts killing off his own comrades in order to obliterate the enemy or because they don't share his opinion... really rational indeed -_-

Akainu looks at the bigger picture and possible future threats. He weighs the pros and cons of doing things. Kill some people, even if they are on the same side, to prevent far more dangerous things from happening down the line. Which is very logical and rational. Just most of the time its not "moral" or "right". People are sacrificed to prevent or push forth certain things all the time, it's nothing new. Don't get rational and moral actions confused.

[_AceOfSpades_]

^Those actions ARE rational, Ace, if you are seeking absolute justice.

yeah, but let's start off by saying that 'absolute justice' itself isn't rational?
Where does it leave Akainu and his actions then? -_- if a=b and b=c that makes a=c ... or is it that hard to deduce that much?
But either way, it doesn't matter to me. I explained myself. I'm not trying to convince... mature aren't I? lol
@zerocooldx: Akainu is preventing people killing by killing? I sorta defeats the purpose... the reason Akainu is doing this is not to help or save people... don't get confused. Akainu is just a lunatic who seeks 'absolute justice'... it's the same as seeking 'perfection', which is perfectly irrational to me... it might make you insane... just as Aokiji said...
either way, I couldn't care less. just stick with your opinion guys. I just keep mine. that's it from me.

[Gats]

Agreed, Akainu obeys the government more blindly than any Pacifista out there

He is more the guy that would do what he thinks it is the right thing to do without the order of the WG. He doesn't need to obey actually, he would "fulfill his duty" it even before being ordered.
And probably more, he would probably disobey to the WG if the organisation seems too lax, he is a kind of zealot.

[Roarchu]

Yes I agree with all of what you guys are saying. But this absolute justice thing is ridiculous. He CANNOT see good in people just for the fact that they're pirates or because they carry certain people's blood.
Even if he knew they were completely harmless, he would still kill them. And the Pacifista thing wasn't to be taken literately, just a metaphor

[Black Lagoon]

Oda How the heck did you manage to hide San Juan Wolf, I mean in the shot of the crumbling Marineford how is his silhouette even not seen in the background? xD

[SenninSage]

The mere fact that Akainu is pursuing Luffy this hard just scares the hell out of me when I consider how strong Luffy's father could be ;)

Perhaps Akainu knows first hand and is seeking to prevent Luffy from reaching whatever level his father wants him to Reach. He must know about Dragon intervening on Luffy's behalf once before in the very town that Gol D. Roger himself was executed, and figures Luffy factors into some grand plan of Dragon's.

[Gomu Gomu No Zzzz]

Law is probably here because of
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/505/18/
(i think its obvious. if not, think a little while re-reading)

And there might be more SN on the way. Remember the Sabaody Arc chapter where Kuma sends ONLY Zoro to disappear on its last panel? Then the next chapter, he sends all the other SH to disappear too. Might be same thing here.

[undertoe]

Just because you don't agree with absolute justice doesn't mean it is inherently irrational. That's quite a stretch. How is it irrational to seek absolute justice? Many people in modern society have careers built around such a goal.

[zerocooldx]

yeah, but let's start off by saying that 'absolute justice' itself isn't rational?
Where does it leave Akainu and his actions then? -_- if a=b and b=c that makes a=c ... or is it that hard to deduce that much?
But either way, it doesn't matter to me. I explained myself. I'm not trying to convince... mature aren't I? lol
@zerocooldx: Akainu is preventing people killing by killing? I sorta defeats the purpose... the reason Akainu is doing this is not to help or save people... don't get confused. Akainu is just a lunatic who seeks 'absolute justice'... it's the same as seeking 'perfection', which is perfectly irrational to me... it might make you insane... just as Aokiji said...
either way, I couldn't care less. just stick with your opinion guys. I just keep mine. that's it from me.

People kill other people, even their own at times, to prevent other things from happening is something that happens all the time. And i'll say it again, don't get morality and rational/logical thinking confused. Rational/logical thinking and doing the right/moral thing rarely go hand and hand. Yes Akainu has extreme methods, and takes things to a whole new level. But at the end of the day no one can rationally argue that killing Luffy or the WB or NW pirates, at the cost of normal/basic no name marines, is a bad thing. Especially if you are trying to prevent the most "evil" from occurring. In the view of the Marines and Akainu letting pirates live, especially infamous ones will only lead to even more pirates, which leads to even more trouble. Now killing some of your own to stop that from happening is a rational/logical decision. Because it's the best way to eliminate future threats. Letting 1 pirate live and down the line have to deal with 1000 pirates, each causing their own trouble, that that 1 pirate influenced is much, much worse then killing 1 pirate at the expense of 100-200 or w/e of your men. Most of the time rational/logical decision come down to just numbers and outweighing them. I not saying thats right, but thats what is mostly comes down to.

[Schabrak]

@zerocooldx: Akainu is preventing people killing by killing? I sorta defeats the purpose... the reason Akainu is doing this is not to help or save people... don't get confused. Akainu is just a lunatic who seeks 'absolute justice'... it's the same as seeking 'perfection', which is perfectly irrational to me... it might make you insane... just as Aokiji said...
If you don't have a bounty on your head, you won't get persecuted. It's just like in the real world. If you want to have justice, you go to your lawyer/police or you become one yourself just as Garp did. Getting your self righteousness is never right, not here not there.[excluding a defensive situation or corrupt government] Sadly Luffy only got into his situation 'cause of going against corrupt people. XD

Ace and Luffys are in no way harmless, being the 2. Commander of the greatest force in the NW and the other one destroying one major station of the marines, declaring war and infiltrating safest prison in the world, releasing so many evil pirates to the world. Start to think before posting please... and yes, those are both sons from the most dangerous men of the last two generations/two decades..

Killing Ace was the aim from the beginning, so no turning away from that. To capture Luffy on the other hand is nearly impossible in such a situation, when just every pirate tries to save him. Seems like they did not plan to capture any pirate from the beginning of the war.

Oda How the heck did you manage to hide San Juan Wolf, I mean in the shot of the crumbling Marineford how is his silhouette even not seen in the background? xD
He stole the invisibility cloak from a certain magic user. :P

[roymustang86]

Oda How the heck did you manage to hide San Juan Wolf, I mean in the shot of the crumbling Marineford how is his silhouette even not seen in the background? xD

Yeah, and you dont really need Gura Gura no Mi powers to destroy Marineford, the San Juan guy must be able to send great punches to change the landscape. :D
[hr]


@zerocooldx: Akainu is preventing people killing by killing? I sorta defeats the purpose... the reason Akainu is doing this is not to help or save people... don't get confused. Akainu is just a lunatic who seeks 'absolute justice'... it's the same as seeking 'perfection', which is perfectly irrational to me... it might make you insane... just as Aokiji said...
either way, I couldn't care less. just stick with your opinion guys. I just keep mine. that's it from me.

Havent you heard of Nuclear Bombing for sake of Peace? ;)

It is the same as fucking for the sake of virginity.

There was this guy who beheaded a abortion doctor in Texas, cos he was pro life =D

[ghostexiled]

I won't even touch the fact that this manga just keeps owning more and more... but I am about to go into overload!! How will this all come to an end?!

I am curious why Boa is not trying to help protect Luffy with Jinbie? She has to be pretty concerned since he went into a freak out coma and now with him being injured by Akainu!!

[DRAGON-PEIN-SAMA]

The mere fact that Akainu is pursuing Luffy this hard just scares the hell out of me when I consider how strong Luffy's father could be ;)

Perhaps Akainu knows first hand and is seeking to prevent Luffy from reaching whatever level his father wants him to Reach. He must know about Dragon intervening on Luffy's behalf once before in the very town that Gol D. Roger himself was executed, and figures Luffy factors into some grand plan of Dragon's.

Partially agree there, but what kind of plan could Dragon have to involve luffy anyways? I mean i think Dragon is the type of guy that would let Luffy do as he wishes and live his own life, which is kinds why i think he hasnt shown up here to save him. Although there might be other reasons for his absence in this war.

[GoTx2]

The mere fact that Akainu is pursuing Luffy this hard just scares the hell out of me when I consider how strong Luffy's father could be ;)

Perhaps Akainu knows first hand and is seeking to prevent Luffy from reaching whatever level his father wants him to Reach. He must know about Dragon intervening on Luffy's behalf once before in the very town that Gol D. Roger himself was executed, and figures Luffy factors into some grand plan of Dragon's.

I don't really think Dragon had any "grand plan" for Luffy, at least not back in Logue Town... It looks like he just found out at that time that Luffy was a pirate...
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/100/01/

[Ravis]

Just because you don't agree with absolute justice doesn't mean it is inherently irrational. That's quite a stretch. How is it irrational to seek absolute justice? Many people in modern society have careers built around such a goal.

absolute justice is exactly that, no exceptions, For which the WG doesn't even remotely follow.

And an admiral who's slaughtering people who are running away... people who don't even stand a chance of even being a speed bump to most of the big guys attacking isn't rational much less just either

[_AceOfSpades_]

@undertoe: Touché, just why exactly do I consider absolute justice to be irrational? hahahhaahhahah rofl... just drop the issue, would ya? Or is it that you can't stand someone having a different opinion than you?
@zerocooldx. I never brought in even a bit of moral thinking, because this would turn into a discussion of ethics - which is not fit in here. I'm just stating Akainu's motivation, which is at no cost the safety of civilians, but the pursue of his own weird obsession, which would be 'absolute justice'. Don't turn him into some kind of philantrophist, because that isn't his personality.
@roymustang86: again, I didn't bring in morals - so please don't do that either. This is no discussion whether utilitarianism is justified. Akainu's aim is something else, even if he keeps lying to himself that his deeds are 'justice'...some examples you stated sorta do remind him of him...
and now minna-san, stay on topic, ONEGAI!!!!

[zerocooldx]

@undertoe: Touché, just why exactly do I consider absolute justice to be irrational? hahahhaahhahah rofl... just drop the issue, would ya? Or is it that you can't stand someone having a different opinion than you?
@zerocooldx: please keep your utilitarian fantasy- ideas for yourself, I never brought in even a bit of moral thinking, because this would turn into a discussion of ethics - which is not fit in here. I'm just stating Akainu's motivation, which is at no cost the safety of civilians, but the pursue of his own weird idée fixe, which would be 'absolute justice'. Don't turn him into some kind of philantrophist, because that isn't his personality.
@roymustang86: again, I didn't bring in morals - so please don't do that either. This is no discussion whether utilitarism is justified (I actually do think that utilitarism is wrong and irrational, but that isn't the issue)... Akainu's aim is something else, even if he keeps lying to himself that his deeds are 'justice'...some examples you stated sorta do remind him of him...
and now minna-san, stay on topic, ONEGAI!!!!

I'll keep my utilitarian fantasy to myself if you stop living in an utopian ideological bubble. You may not like it, but more often then not thats how things work.

[GoTx2]

absolute justice is exactly that, no exceptions, For which the WG doesn't even remotely follow.

And an admiral who's slaughtering people who are running away... people who don't even stand a chance of even being a speed bump to most of the big guys attacking isn't rational much less just either

Unless someone shows otherwise, I will continue to believe that in the OP world, desertion is a crime. Marines committing a crime in front of an admiral is bad enough, but doing it in front of an admiral in the middle of an event that will surely have a huge impact on the future of the entire world, while its being broadcast to the public is on a whole other level of ridiculous... All the negative possibilities that could stem from that are far worse an outcome for the marines/WG than the death of a few deserters...
It's not like they could effectively be captured/arrested/detained in the middle of a battlefield... If they escape, they are just more criminals in the world. They could be taken hostage by the pirates, or forced to fight for the pirates... They could be used as a focal point in showing the weakness/inefficiency of the marines/WG...

If you look at it from a logical perspective, Akainu made the right choice. What you seem to be doing, as has been mentioned several times in several posts before (not mine), is bringing the question of morality into the picture, where it has no place being.

[beastboy]

Well nuclear bombing for the sake of peace isn't irrational... (IMO) if you bomb a small country wich was prepared to bomb China, you would have save billions of people...

Killing a Dr who does aborts for the sake of life isn't that irrational.. that doctor "killed" 30 baby's min in his career, and would have killed 30 more... so according to that man ideals he killed one person to save 30...


By your toughts, Police mans are wrong, after all they're trained to kill, but they're supposed to exist to mantain peace...

Akainu killing marines that escape from battle is a good thing, cause them in battle would help to protect the other marines, who're fighting...
If not cause of they're skills, cause they're human shields..
So logically thinking, if they escape kill them... they're trash who lett they're comrades die for the sake of his own life!

(Of corse I do not agree with neighter of those mentality's, I'm just showing the logic in them)

[GomuBankaiNoJutsu]

Ace and Luffys are in no way harmless, being the 2. Commander of the greatest force in the NW and the other one destroying one major station of the marines, declaring war and infiltrating safest prison in the world, releasing so many evil pirates to the world. Start to think before posting please... and yes, those are both sons from the most dangerous man of the last two generations/two decades.

Ace - Gol.D.Roger the ol'Pirate Kings son
Luffy - Dragons Son

[Poneglyph420]

Not that I want to fan the flames of troll-dom...
But in an ontological sense absolute justice is an ideal and one that is clearly unattainable...
Yes there are Marines seeking to right wrongs, with more wrongs.. and it's not attainable... sure there are pirates doing the same.. this is common with ideals..

Individuals often lose sight of their goal when caught up in the duties of life..

SO while some like Akainu might have lost what they once were after, it does not discredit the efforts towards "morality".

But see we often lose sight of things... like posting about morality in a manga forum..

[undertoe]

^From a psychological standpoint, it's wiser to shoot for an unattainable goal. The higher you shoot, the farther you'll get. No one ever said that Akainu believes he can actually ACHIEVE absolute justice, just that he aims for it. By aiming for it, he can get closer to it than if he aimed for a more realistic goal.

EDIT: Lol you had reply 420 in the topic.

[johnnyb7]

Damn that was awesome. So is Law gonna have some strange ability to heal Luffy with his powers? I'd say it's possible considering how strange his powers looked when he was fighting.

Next chapter I'm guessing will be the rest of the pirates escaping while the Blackbeard pirates get owned by Sengoku/run away from marineford.

[Zatono]

Akainu is about to hit the floor. Hell, fighting Marco and Vista is probably tough enough, but fighting Marco, Vista, Croc, and a load of WB pirates and division leaders? God damn.

[godaijutsu-no-hito]

Frankly speaking, I find law's ability to be quite hax! I suppose the only ones who could possibly be immune to his attacks would be logia folk. But otherwise, with his room ability, law is nearly invincible. Plus he uses a sword. I think his fruit is way too overpowered for paramesia type.

Law vs BB:
BB: Kurozu
Law: Room...BB's hand is separated from his body and is beheaded as well. = pwnage

Law vs Sengoku:
Sengoku: Budha's palm
Law: Room...Sengoku's lies dismembered = pwnage.

Oda will have to introduce some way around this...some weakness perhaps...and some limitation as well.

[topkomputer]

Law could seperate people head from their body, but their head still speaks. Somehow he is kinda like "doru-doru" fruit that Bellano (cp9) has.

[masubiladin]

Frankly speaking, I find law's ability to be quite hax! I suppose the only ones who could possibly be immune to his attacks would be logia folk. But otherwise, with his room ability, law is nearly invincible. Plus he uses a sword. I think his fruit is way too overpowered for paramesia type.

Law vs BB:
BB: Kurozu
Law: Room...BB's hand is separated from his body and is beheaded as well. = pwnage

Law vs Sengoku:
Sengoku: Budha's palm
Law: Room...Sengoku's lies dismembered = pwnage.


you know fully well that manga doesn't work that way. If it is then Law would be invicible? If thats the case then he would use that ability when facing Kuma.

Congratz myself reaching 100 posts.

[hy4k]

law was completely unable to use his ability on the pacifista he fought

his power obviously has its limitations

[GoTx2]

it seemed to me (at least from what i remember in the anime) that he had to wait for the "room to fully form before he could use it, which puts him at a disadvantage against anyone with some speed...

[Zatono]

law was completely unable to use his ability on the pacifista he fought

his power obviously has its limitations

I must of missed something extremely large, because I don't recall us seeing his actual fight with the pacifista.

[masubiladin]

I must of missed something extremely large, because I don't recall us seeing his actual fight with the pacifista.
Reread the entire 578 chapter plz!

[Zatono]

I did, but I don't see anything that remotely points out Law not being able to use his ability on the pacifista.

[Naruffy]

Reread the entire 578 chapter plz!

You mean this weeks chapter? it's not out yet bro.


law was completely unable to use his ability on the pacifista he fought

his power obviously has its limitations

Zatono correctly stated that Law hasn't been shown fighting the Pacifistas. We know his powers must of worked on them, because he's still alive and well after fighting one (even if he did have a lot of help)

[johnnyb7]

Law's Ability

I think Law's ability is simply to replace certain objects with other objects within his bubble. So to replace a head with something he would have to cut the head off first. He's gotta be an excellent swordsman in other words. This doesn't explain why the people with no heads keep living and don't bleed or anything. I'm thinking that things within his room somehow can't die I guess. Perhaps things can't be permanently altered while in his room. That would help in how Luffy couldn't die before he patched him up in his room.

[bittman]

No, Zatano is correct. We never saw Law fight the Pacifista, what we saw was him face off against it.

Facing off =/= fighting. Don't jump on Zatano for actually being right with six words and no evidence.

I believe the anime did something regarding it though. Silly anime.

[topkomputer]

Room might looks like "operation room". So the circle becoming his own dimension, and he became "the doctor" in it. It more like Belano "door" fruit, when he make luffy's face a door and flip it around.

[hy4k]

logically, if he could use his power on the pacifista then it would have happened

as it was he used his power to manipulate the battlefield but he never touched the pacifista

there's two possiblities. either he CANT tear the pacifista apart or he felt sorry for the poor cyborg and decided to have a long protracted fight instead

[BlindMunkey]

I did, but I don't see anything that remotely points out Law not being able to use his ability on the pacifista.

ya u gotta chk out the anime episode of that part.

[BurnSchulz]

is this buddha DF as rare as marko's?

:blink

isnt every Devil Fruit as rare as another?


i mean

Lol?! - Every DF exists only one time in this world ^^

[BlindMunkey]

logically, if he could use his power on the pacifista then it would have happened

as it was he used his power to manipulate the battlefield but he never touched the pacifista

there's two possiblities. either he CANT tear the pacifista apart or he felt sorry for the poor cyborg and decided to have a long protracted fight instead

nah i think pacifista was outta his reach and maybe he can only manipulate humans only. nothing of metal. and i personally think pacifista woulda still attack Law with his laser despite him being in pieces. so Law just didnt want to risk it i suppose.
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:blink

isnt every Devil Fruit as rare as another?


i mean

Lol?! - Every DF exists only one time in this world ^^

Marco DF is little more rare than the average DFs. and DF recycles.

[masubiladin]

isnt every Devil Fruit as rare as another?
i mean
Lol?! - Every DF exists only one time in this world ^^
True! But you know what he means right? And yes i think that Buddha is really rare because, you know....buddha is like god.

[Fox666]

nah i think pacifista was outta his reach and maybe he can only manipulate humans only. nothing of metal. and i personally think pacifista woulda still attack Law with his laser despite him being in pieces. so Law just didnt want to risk it i suppose.Hmm, if he could manipulate the cyborgs, he could for example move the head pointing the mouth to the body, so the Pacifista would destroy himself.

[hy4k]

nah i think pacifista was outta his reach and maybe he can only manipulate humans only. nothing of metal. and i personally think pacifista woulda still attack Law with his laser despite him being in pieces. so Law just didnt want to risk it i suppose.
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yeah, those were my thoughts as well. either he cant manipulate metal or he cant manipulate things that cant be cut with his sword

the pacifista was definitely in range as he actually puts the pacifista in a room at one point in the fight

[DEATHBOTT]

marcos type of devil fruit (mythical zoan) is rare. but you have just as much chance of getting his particular devil fruit (phoenix zoan) as any other fruit.

i doubt you could catorgories sengokus fruit with others other than its a parmicia.

i hope someone grabs luffys hat for him!!!

commanders and croc versus akainu....... badaaaaaaaass!!!!

[BlindMunkey]

Hmm, if he could manipulate the cyborgs, he could for example move the head pointing the mouth to the body, so the Pacifista would destroy himself.

ya he could if he can manipulate cyborgs. there are just alotta IFS with what we know.

anyways .. from the spoilers. another good chapter. seems like Jimbie gonna be the 3rd one to kick the bucket. man Akainu is hellbent on killing luffy.

[Franckie]

Next chapter I'm guessing will be the rest of the pirates escaping while the Blackbeard pirates get owned by Sengoku/run away from marineford.

Are you actually expecting Sengoku to defeat BB's crew all by himself?

[BurnSchulz]

True! But you know what he means right? And yes i think that Buddha is really rare because, you know....buddha is like god.

I agree if you mean that Devil Fruits with that kind of Power are rare.

But i disagree when you mean that this Buddha DF is "rarer" than Gumo Gumo no mi for example.
something that must have the same number can not be different rare.

[undertoe]

The issue of DF rarity was already settled several pages ago, guys...

[Katz]

Are you actually expecting Sengoku to defeat BB's crew all by himself?


hell I could see sengoku dying as well, that'd the a HUGE loss on the marine side, I just hope Garp doesn't die.

Plus sengoku still has 2 admirals to back him up Aokiji,Kizaru (I personally think Kiz is the most dangerous cause he can snipe you instantly) And if BB has his back turned and can't react fast enuff *BANG* light beam thru his skull, he may be able to take ALOT of punishment but he's not surviving that

BUT we really haven't seen ALL of sengoku yet....OH! and just a random question, has it been confirmed that Garp isn't a DF user yet?,

[HikaruYami]

Law vs. Pacifista was ANIME-ONLY. Bringing discussion of it into the manga makes you sound like idiots; you should be discussing the potentially relevant details of this week's spoilers, not something that definitely will never have anything to do with the series that we are currently following, which is the One Piece MANGA.

With that said, I think this week's chapter is epic. I still hold true to my statement earlier today that Oda planned Law's arrival since Luffy started getting hurt in Impel Down.

[johnnyb7]

Are you actually expecting Sengoku to defeat BB's crew all by himself?

nah nah nah, Sengoku won't defeat them by himself, he'll start to defeat them. They'll manage to get away still. essentially, it'll show that Sengoku is a bamf and then everyone will escape, no more great casualties. that's my guess at least

[Oblivion]

there can be only one DF of it's kind at a given moment. so each is unique thus rare.

but if we are talking about the KIND of DF than there are different rarities.

i am just throwing out some number but my guess, only 10-11% of DFs are logia and only 2-3% are mythical zoan DF. All in All there might be a lot more percentage of zoan DF but ancient and mythical seems to be very low.

[undertoe]

Law vs. Pacifista was ANIME-ONLY. Bringing discussion of it into the manga makes you sound like idiots; you should be discussing the potentially relevant details of this week's spoilers, not something that definitely will never have anything to do with the series that we are currently following, which is the One Piece MANGA.

With that said, I think this week's chapter is epic. I still hold true to my statement earlier today that Oda planned Law's arrival since Luffy started getting hurt in Impel Down.

I'm pretty sure he plans further ahead than that...

[El-Thor]

Wow, this week's chapter looks amazing as always !

Ever since this war started I had at least ONE of the Rookies would show up. Lo and behold ! I'm surprised that Kidd is not, he also seemed to have a nice little "bonding" moment with Luffy.

Akinau is a dead man :D

[SenninSage]

This is pretty interesting, all of those powerful pirates going after just Akainu alone? I wonder if he'll manage to survive it?

Man, I must say, you gotta respect the way Oda handles this manga. I love how despite the fact that Crocodile was a major enemy from much earlier in the manga, he's still more than powerful enough to be on par with or cause problems for all these new fancy bigshots, even the marine admirals themselves.

Man... Sengoku is pretty damn amazing.

[hy4k]

nah nah nah, Sengoku won't defeat them by himself, he'll start to defeat them. They'll manage to get away still. essentially, it'll show that Sengoku is a bamf and then everyone will escape, no more great casualties. that's my guess at least

seriously doubt that'll happen

BB is dead set on sinking marineford and he's convinced he's invincible. he's not going to fold that easily

if anything i'd expect sengoku to get his ass kicked

[El-Thor]

seriously doubt that'll happen

BB is dead set on sinking marineford and he's convinced he's invincible. he's not going to fold that easily

if anything i'd expect sengoku to get his ass kicked

I doubt Sengoku will even come close to getting his ass kicked. Like someone mentioned before, there's two more admirals backing him up, as well as Garp.

If anything, the BB pirates might need a miracle to escape.

Aokiji will freeze the ex.ID warden :notrust

[Fox666]

there can be only one DF of it's kind at a given moment. so each is unique thus rare.

but if we are talking about the KIND of DF than there are different rarities.

i am just throwing out some number but my guess, only 10-11% of DFs are logia and only 2-3% are mythical zoan DF. All in All there might be a lot more percentage of zoan DF but ancient and mythical seems to be very low.Good question.

Here are the totals in the manga. There are some assumptions on this list.

30 Paramecia confirmed. Unnamed or unconfirmed:
- Eustass Kid
- Trafalgar Law
- Jewelry Bonney
- Capone Bege
- Basil Hawkins
- Scratchmen Apoo
- Urouge
- Jozu
- Tsuru
- Makugai
- Sengoku
Total: 43

13 Zoan confirmed. Unnamed or unconfirmed:
- X. Drake (Ancient Zoan)
- Minotaurus
- Minokoala
- Minozebra
- Minorhinoceros
- Lafitte
- Onigumo
- Dalmatian Vice-Admiral
- Marco (Mythical Zoan)
- Spiked ball of Whitebeard division commander
Total: 23

7 Logia confirmed. Unnamed:
- Akainu
Total: 8

This makes a total of 74. Sure there are some that cannot be included because Marineford war is too confusing.

Converting to percentual:
58.1% Paramecia
31% Zoan
10.8% Logia

That are much more Logia than I would suppose. But thinking about it, it's the strongest type, making the user more famous and important (Marine Admirals) and as a result we unproportionally know more of them.

Based on this, just 1,3% is Ancient or Mythical Zoan. Although I would suppose that the last one is more rare.

Edit: I corrected the values.

[BlindMunkey]

Just wondering, after looking at the all of the spoiler pics, if Law will perform surgery on luffy using Jimbei body part [assuming jimbei will die from that attack from akainu]
if yea err... that would open new discussions.

@Fox666 Akainu isnt Zoan.. Logia. typo?

[ascalon]

I'm surprised crocodile was able to cut through Akainu. Akainu's power (lava) should render crocodile tangible/vulnerable since lava could easily melt sand, or it least stick it together like water. The only logias that could have a defense are light, smoke, and lightning. All the others would get pwnd.

[Fox666]

I'm surprised crocodile was able to cut through Akainu. Akainu's power (lava) should render crocodile tangible/vulnerable since lava could easily melt sand, or it least stick it together like water. The only logias that could have a defense are light, smoke, and lightning. All the others would get pwnd.Hmm, Crocodile's attack has the proterty of cut through thing. Even if the sand melt, or turn in glass, it should still do it, don't?

[fuatf90]

Hmm, Crocodile's attack has the proterty of cut through thing. Even if the sand melt, or turn in glass, it should still do it, don't?

u mentioning that made me realise Crocodile is a double edged weapon against Akainu. He could severly injure Akainu since his sand can "glassify" inside his body or Akainu could punch him and break him into glass pieces.

[undertoe]

You guys need to keep in mind that anything that gets turned to glass is some part of Croc's body...

[El-Thor]

I don't think Croc will turn into "glass" from Akainu.

If anything, he will just get hit because lava is technically liquid.

What I wonder is if Croc can use his ability to draw out all the moisture out of Logias also (somehow??)

[Poneglyph420]

Croc. mentioned long ago he had mastered his Logia abilities. I took that as that some other Logia might not have done so.. So while I bet Akainu, is one of the elite in all regards, croc is no pushover.

He is in the truest sense the only current "earth" logia mentioned. I'd say it's best to smother a fire you can't extinguish otherwise. So if the old boy is up to it Croc could really contribute IMO.

I also really like this implied sense that Croc. is redeeming himself as a pirate.

All in all the resolution of this war is great...

On a tangent. I'm so glad to see Law and his freaky ship.. I somehow knew he was coming.. (I wish I remembered where I posted it..?)
This so called new era is gonna kick some serious ass!!!!!!

[bittman]

Like how many are going on about how Akainu looks like he's a dead man because the entire WB army is standing in front of him.

If anything, I'm more worried for the WB army than Akainu. The only thing I've seen come close to stopping Akainu is Whitebeard himself, and it appears even two shots were not enough to take him out when one shot rendered everyone else unconcious.

Then again, Oda's not good with power levels. Crocodile struggles against Luffy and gets blasted by Jozu, but then attacks Akainu, Mihawk, Doflamingo and executioners without being stopped. I don't know where Crocodile sits anymore thanks to Oda fanboying one of his only decent villains to date. Sometimes he looks stronger than the division commanders, other times he looks weaker than Supernovas. I don't know anymore.

[undertoe]

He is in the truest sense the only current "earth" logia mentioned.

Care to explain how magma wouldn't be considered an "earth" logia? It's molten rock and makes up a very large percentage of the planet's mass.

[Vetinari clone]

Well there were strange circumstances when luffy and croc were fighting, plus luffy knows croc's weakness, if you didn't he would be much much much much much much harder to defeat.

I have to agree with you on the akainu thing, the WB pirates are doomed. Marco can will survive but them rest of them are dead meat, unless akainu is distracted by something, or something...

[Ero-Sanji]

Then again, Oda's not good with power levels. Crocodile struggles against Luffy and gets blasted by Jozu, but then attacks Akainu, Mihawk, Doflamingo and executioners without being stopped. I don't know where Crocodile sits anymore thanks to Oda fanboying one of his only decent villains to date. Sometimes he looks stronger than the division commanders, other times he looks weaker than Supernovas. I don't know anymore.

I see you're point but I can't actually agree with you. Oda is by far one of the most reasonable in the area of power levels. Just because one character defeated another one before does not mean he can do it again.

It took Luffy three times to defeat Crocodile, no? That too me is a sign that Luffy wasn't stronger than Crocodile at that time. It just showed that Crocodiles weaknesses was shown more and more but also his confidence and arrogance grew but also his temper which is also a very bad thing in a battle. Look at the last battle Crocodile wasn't even thinking clearly he was just interesting in putting Luffy away, quick!

Yes Jozu blitzed crocodile but didn't he also do the same thing with Aokiji? Remember this is a war not a bleach war where everyone fights one on one. If you're aren't ready it could be your death. It also indicates that you're enemy could change anytime depending on the situation. Croc was dealing with Doflamingo and we saw that Doflamingo's attacks were futile then he changed enemy to Mihawk since he was hurting Daz. Mihawk is only interested in Luffy and fellow swordsmen. So it's no wonder that he actually managed to survive this long due to his fruit but also because of the terms of war.

[Fox666]

Not to mention that in the third round Luffy would be dead by Crocodile's poison if wasn't for the antidote Nico Robin give to him...

[Alien81]

I see you're point but I can't actually agree with you. Oda is by far one of the most reasonable in the area of power levels. Just because one character defeated another one before does not mean he can do it again.

It took Luffy three times to defeat Crocodile, no? That too me is a sign that Luffy wasn't stronger than Crocodile at that time. It just showed that Crocodiles weaknesses was shown more and more but also his confidence and arrogance grew but also his temper which is also a very bad thing in a battle. Look at the last battle Crocodile wasn't even thinking clearly he was just interesting in putting Luffy away, quick!

Yes Jozu blitzed crocodile but didn't he also do the same thing with Aokiji? Remember this is a war not a bleach war where everyone fights one on one. If you're aren't ready it could be your death. It also indicates that you're enemy could change anytime depending on the situation. Croc was dealing with Doflamingo and we saw that Doflamingo's attacks were futile then he changed enemy to Mihawk since he was hurting Daz. Mihawk is only interested in Luffy and fellow swordsmen. So it's no wonder that he actually managed to survive this long due to his fruit but also because of the terms of war.

nicely answered (Ero-Sanji)

On topic.

The war seems like is not ending any time soon, which am cool with since oda is making every chapter gold imo. The croco fans must be happy with him he has been impressive to say the least, even though he didn't do much, but add it all together and he has played his part.

At least the marines fan boys, will stop saying am disappointed in sengoku, one shockwave and he got all of bb crew's coughing blood, that's impressive, go buddha go go go goooo.

Now am really interested in seeing, what garp can do he must have some super moves up his sleeve.

red dog is just obsessed with luffy, his like a super glue once it's stick you can get it off, it be interesting to see, what cro and the wb pirates can do to him next week, although it seems like cro and marco will need to come up with a plan to get him somehow.

after so many weeks of fake spoilers coming out about the supernovas, I didn't think any would come , It seem like Law got a submarine pretty cool, he says his a doctor, does that mean his planning to heal luffy or get him back to 100 percent.

I predict before this war is over a big shot marine will die, am looking at you sengoke or red dog, my money is on one of you.

[Vetinari clone]

nicely answered (Ero-Sanji)

true Ero-Sanji, you put it much better that I did :).


On topic.

The war seems like is not ending any time soon, which am cool with since oda is making every chapter gold imo. The croco fans must be happy with him he has been impressive to say the least, even though he didn't do much, but add it all together and he has played his part.

I'm ok with the war going on, but only because I can see the end coming, it has been to long since we have seen Zoro, and Robin :sad (don't really care about the rest of them)


At least the marines fan boys, will stop saying am disappointed in sengoku, one shockwave and he got all of bb crew's coughing blood, that's impressive, go buddha go go go goooo.

Oh so glad about this as well, see people? Oda doesn't build someone up and not deliver. Not like some mangaka I could mention...


Now am really interested in seeing, what garp can do he must have some super moves up his sleeve.

Throwing a cannonball this (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v45/c439/9.html) size is plenty super to me -_-;


after so many weeks of fake spoilers coming out about the supernovas, I didn't think any would come , It seem like Law got a submarine pretty cool, he says his a doctor, does that mean his planning to heal luffy or get him back to 100 percent.

Yup :amuse his submarine is pretty cool. Yeah he is probably going to heal luffy, but even with his DF it will take ages before luffy will be at 100%. Please oh please let us have a timeskip ending with all the strawhats together again.


I predict before this war is over a big shot marine will die, am looking at you sengoke or red dog, my money is on one of you.

I am completely with you on this. Although I'm not so sure it will be one of those two, I would add Garp to that list.

[Guru Nanak]

Now the question is how good of a doctor Law can be? I'm not sure if his devil fruit ability can do the job.I doubt he can heal Luffy on the spot and make him join the war once more..
guess they'll just make an escape... this war is about to end in 2-3 chaps..

[Fox666]

after so many weeks of fake spoilers coming out about the supernovas, I didn't think any would come , It seem like Law got a submarine pretty cool, he says his a doctor, does that mean his planning to heal luffy or get him back to 100 percent.Yup :amuse his submarine is pretty cool. Yeah he is probably going to heal luffy, but even with his DF it will take ages before luffy will be at 100%. Please oh please let us have a timeskip ending with all the strawhats together again.Hahaha, at first I was thinking it was a submarine, but them I just realised that since they were going to Fishman Island it's a coated ship. :tem

[Schabrak]

Hahaha, at first I was thinking it was a submarine, but them I just realised that since they were going to Fishman Island it's a coated ship. :tem
From the looks of it is a submarine and we have nothing pointing to a different conclusion. Why else would he have a lamp outside, as to be able to see under water? Coated ships are varnished with some special "coarting" as the name suggests^^ and have a certain gloss: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/551/16-17/

[Garp7]

About Trafalgar Law's 'room'; I wonder if he can transfer someone else's injury and damages to something or someone else in it, just like he transfer physical thing back at Shabaody.

As for BlackBeard, I predict that he will kurouzu and then quake Sengoku in the next chapter.

[Mentally Unstable]

Heard luffy lost an appendage...just looked through a lq raw but didn't see it. Wondering if anyone knows if this is true...

[Szaman]

Luffy will recover his hat for sure, but who will give him back ? That is the important question. I suppose that will be one of the future touching moment in the story. Remember what is the first thing Luffy thinks to when he wakes up.
In particular if Law takes him away from the battle. I don't know if that will happen but it is a possibility.

It would be ironical if timeskip came and we witnessed the handing over of the straw hat back to Luffy by Shanks himself (who took care of the remnants of WB crew and the rest of those who have survived), and hear him talk Luffy through what has happened to the world when he was out cold.


Like how many are going on about how Akainu looks like he's a dead man because the entire WB army is standing in front of him.

If anything, I'm more worried for the WB army than Akainu. The only thing I've seen come close to stopping Akainu is Whitebeard himself, and it appears even two shots were not enough to take him out when one shot rendered everyone else unconcious.

Then again, Oda's not good with power levels. Crocodile struggles against Luffy and gets blasted by Jozu, but then attacks Akainu, Mihawk, Doflamingo and executioners without being stopped. I don't know where Crocodile sits anymore thanks to Oda fanboying one of his only decent villains to date. Sometimes he looks stronger than the division commanders, other times he looks weaker than Supernovas. I don't know anymore.

It makes the read all the better, doasn't it? Every single fight can come out both ways and the only thing the author has to think about is making it as good looking as possible. Not to worry about "me power is stronger by a 0,002%, me won!".

[elitefox]

Can you coat a human lol

I think/want is that croco spilled sand on akainu then akainu becomes vulnurable to punches lol... I want it that way... mob!!!! mob akainu, 100 pirates punching him lol

[Grendel]

Can you coat a human lol

I think/want is that croco spilled sand on akainu then akainu becomes vulnurable to punches lol... I want it that way... mob!!!! mob akainu, 100 pirates punching him lol

doing that might turn the sand into silica and brittle and since it will just be a coating, Akainu can break free when it's solid. I'm starting to wonder why there weren't any water logias on the pirates side as it's the natural enemy of magma. Maybe this means every pirate facing Akainu is dead meat.

[stoz500]

Actually, this page means nothing. Ivankov thought that Dragon may come but he had absolutely no idea about it, he could only imagine it. Indeed, he only knows Dragon as a revolutionary and the flashback clearly showed clearly that Iva does not know anything about Dragon and his family : he cannot know if Dragon would try to save his son.
The only meaningful thing we saw with the flashback was that Dragon refuses to mix his family and his revolutionary engagement, which can only leads us to think fact he'd not come to MHQ because of his family affairs.

I don't agree. It seemed to me in the Flashback that Dragon didn't want to discuss his personal life with Ivankov not because he didn't want to mix his revolutionary agenda with family but rather because he there was a sense of regret about what he has given up to pursue the revolution. His staring into the East symbolised his yearning for his family/home. That he cares for Luffy was evident in his rescue of him at Logue Town. While I agree its unlikely that Dragon will turn up I don't think its because he wouldn't want to interupt his plans of revolution to save his son.

[Lee-tyme7]

doing that might turn the sand into silica and brittle and since it will just be a coating, Akainu can break free when it's solid. I'm starting to wonder why there weren't any water logias on the pirates side as it's the natural enemy of magma. Maybe this means every pirate facing Akainu is dead meat.

well there's Jembei? I don't get why he didn't just water spray Akainu out?...

[Black Mirror]

omg luffy lost his hat oO

i hope it doesn't get destroyed. boa or mihawk have to take it.

[Razh]

well there's Jembei? I don't get why he didn't just water spray Akainu out?...

Unfortunately he's not like Kisame, who can just magically create water in his lungs, and then spew a lake of it through his mouth.:p

Unfrozen sea would have helped, too bad about Aokiji.

For some reason, I keep thinking that Crocodile will pick up Luffy's hat. It'll probably be someone else though.

[Black Mirror]

next week we get a new coverstory right? so probably something like "the adventure of strawhat" (luffy's hat) XD would be nice.

garp might take it as well. for some reason it hink that croco dies as well, he will turn into glass and die.

[*Corrine*]

What's up with Akainu punching characters straight through the chest? Then again, it seems Akainu has done more than any other marine in One Piece; I can see it now----
"The Marine of the Year award goes to, *drumroll* Akainu! For mercilessly punching awesome characters through the chest with magma!"

[goldb]

omg luffy lost his hat oO

i hope it doesn't get destroyed. boa or mihawk have to take it.

I don't think Boa knows the signficance/value of the hat to Luffy, so that rules her out. Mihawk, if he wasn't an enemy would pick it up because I'd guess he knows Luffy got it from Shanks. I think Crocodile or someone on Luffy's side will get it for him, maybe Buggy; then Luffy would be indebted to him...


next week we get a new coverstory right? so probably something like "the adventure of strawhat" (luffy's hat) XD would be nice.
garp might take it as well. for some reason it hink that croco dies as well, he will turn into glass and die.
Oh yeah, completly forgot about it, next week we possibly get a new story or go back to the SHs seperation..
Yeah If Croco-boy comes up against Akainu he would die...so fingers crossed that doesn't happen. He's been very helpful during this war...

[msg]

The cover page is Vivi and Carue, right?.Anyways law's submarine remind me of the submarine in league of xtraordinary gentlemen, The nautilus.A submarine but in a victorian style design .Maybe because of that lamp...

I wonder if Oda gonna show us the power of the rest of WB division commander next chapter when fighting Akainu.That be cool.I really wanna see them.

[dark lord]

...is it just me, or is this a boring looking chapter? Sorry Law fangirls, but there's absolutely nothing interesting in this chapter from the spoiler summary.

Sengoku moves - not interesting, he should have moved well before this
Akainu attacks - not interesting, he's done nothing else for last 20 chapters
Aokoji freezes the sea more - not interesting, he's done that at least 3 times now
Law appears - not interesting, why is he even there and why should we care? Seems like another useless cameo.
Crocoodile fails to be a good villain - what's with this helpful Crocodile? Lamest character change ever. Nothing even triggered this character change. It's just like one chapter Croc was all "gonna blow up 1 million people kthx" and then the next one he's hugging puppies and riding rainbow unicorns.

Easily the most boring chapter I've seen in One Piece in a long time. This arc should have ended with this chapter. Heck, could have even ended last chapter if they'd kept Akainu and Aokoji quite and just left us with a BB cliffhanger.

Instead I feel like Oda's going to take a whole extra volume throwing out some more cameos. Please let this be the last, or second last, chapter of this arc.

guys we have to agree with this .
its the lamest chapter though that doesnt make it bad its a good move actually reducing epicness .

[Fox666]

next week we get a new coverstory right? so probably something like "the adventure of strawhat" (luffy's hat) XD would be nice.

garp might take it as well. for some reason it hink that croco dies as well, he will turn into glass and die.Ow, good question, who will be the next cover story characters?

It's hard to think of someone who still didn't have a cover story, a lot of characters come to my mind, like Mr 2, Mr 3, Crocodile, Garp, all have appeared in cover story before.

What happened with the Whitebeard pirates?
Hancock? (if Ace got a cover story...)
Ivankov?
Impel Down staff?
Marguerite?
Tenryuubito? (if Wapol got a cover story...)
Shakky?
Duval?
Lola?
Absalom?
Wanze?
T-Bone?
Foxy?
Dorry and Broggy?
Anyone else that back-up a main character story (like Iceburg or Dr. Kureha)?

[Black Mirror]

I don't think Boa knows the signficance/value of the hat to Luffy, so that rules her out. Mihawk, if he wasn't an enemy would pick it up because I'd guess he knows Luffy got it from Shanks. I think Crocodile or someone on Luffy's side will get it for him, maybe Buggy; then Luffy would be indebted to him...

I only have to say "love is a hurricane" :D boa might as well take as a sign of love^^ probably this will prevent her from dieing since she can't live without luffy anymore. With his hat she will have a duty to bring it back to him.

but it might as well be someone we don't know or someone unexpected. One thing is sure though, luffy will go crazy when he wakes up without his hat.:D this might as well help him to endure ace's death.

@.msg

hm but the last covers were a ltitle different...

[dark lord]

if law takes luffy off panel this could be the end of the arc . seriously oda this has become awsomly boring we need something else . like strawhats maybe .
and we might see jimbei dead next chapter and crocodile should join the SHs

[JonnyMakarrony]

About Trafalgar Law's 'room'; I wonder if he can transfer someone else's injury and damages to something or someone else in it, just like he transfer physical thing back at Shabaody.

As for BlackBeard, I predict that he will kurouzu and then quake Sengoku in the next chapter.

Maybe he can exchange Ace internals for the 0nes pf Akainu. That be sweet.

[leonoel]

I do not think Croc is in such disadvantage with Akainu:

1st: Magma (regardless of what everyone thinks) contains no water, so there would be no explanation if Akainu manages to hit Croc (unless Haki of course)
2nd: To crystallize sand Akainu needs temperatures around 2000 degrees, Magma highest is 1600 Degrees, not to mention the pressure as well, since you need to melt and apply a lot of pressure to the sand to do it, so it would be very hard for that to happen.

I did think it was a really dickish move to double team Jimbei (Akainu - Aokiji) while BB is wreaking havoc in Marine Ford, maybe they are well aware even with his new powers BB and Co are no match for Sengoku, Garp and Kizaru, since last chapter Akainu was well aware of BB doings.

[bittman]

I did think it was a really dickish move to double team Jimbei (Akainu - Aokiji) while BB is wreaking havoc in Marine Ford, maybe they are well aware even with his new powers BB and Co are no match for Sengoku, Garp and Kizaru, since last chapter Akainu was well aware of BB doings.

Well, more like Jimbei got caught between an immovable wall (Aokoji's frozen sea) and an unstoppable object (Akainu). Aokoji was stopping all pirates from moving out, Jimbei just happens to be one of them. Akainu was most certainly on Jimbei though, but Akainu is basically anti-anything that looks at him funny.

BB and co should be a match for Sengoku alone. Kizaru is still invisible lately and Garp has now moved less than Sengoku (a feat matched by no other character in this war).

Akainu simply prioritised Luffy over Blackbeard, especially as one is escaping with hundreds of other fearsome pirates whilst the other has obviously decided to stay and fight for a bit. Debatable choice, but not unwise. If all three admirals ever needed to team someone together it would not only speak volumes of the opponent's strength, but given the sheer scale of their powers, most likely they'd just get in each other's way.

Speaking of Kizaru, Garp and people that aren't doing much: is there any hope left for Smoker in this war? Was always hoping he'd do something here to get himself another promotion he doesn't want.

[Isto]

guys we have to agree with this .
its the lamest chapter though that doesnt make it bad its a good move actually reducing epicness .

I'll type it once more, it's Jean Bart. Jean Bart is the reason for law showing up. He want's to repay the debt from slave auction house to luffy.

Edit: Should have been quote for: Law appears - not interesting, why is he even there and why should we care? Seems like another useless cameo.

[undertoe]

2nd: To crystallize sand Akainu needs temperatures around 2000 degrees, Magma highest is 1600 Degrees, not to mention the pressure as well, since you need to melt and apply a lot of pressure to the sand to do it, so it would be very hard for that to happen.


You're saying that magma will boil and become a gas at 1600 degrees? What exactly is your source on this? And what temperature scale are you using?

[leonoel]

I am using International System (using any other in an international forum is rude). I am saying the highest recorded magma temperature is that. All of the info is in wikipedia for those who know where to search. And the fact that sand needs both high temperatures and high pressure is common sense when studying physics or mineral engineering ;)

[undertoe]

I'm aware that it needs pressure and heat... I never questioned that. :) It's possible that Akainu could use his powers to generate pressure somehow. The highest KNOWN temperature of naturally occurring magma is 1600 degrees centigrade, but that doesn't mean magma can't get hotter. There's still a lot we don't know about Akainu's powers, so any assumptions at this point are premature. I will say that you're likely correct, though.

[ScratchmenApoo]

I don't think Oda wants to turn One Piece into a science magazine. It's all Shounen so anything can happen. Whether he comes upon the idea that you can crystallize sand with high temperatures and pressure is another story. I don't think it will happen, though.