Kumo brothers vs Kisame and Sasuke

[hakuthehedgehog]

Alright, this is a fight that will probably happen in the future.

Rules: Kisame starts by sneak attacking Bee, taking one shave of his eight-tails chakra.
Bee has 2 of his swords and Raikage only has one arm.
Sasuke has EMS, but it doesn't give any more abilities than normal MS.
At the middle of the fight, elite jounin from Kumo can come.
Who wins? (Bee has to be taken alive)

[Prince Sasuke]

The victory goes to Sasuke and Kisame.

Kisame has already proven to be able to handel Bee, with a sneak attack gives Bee no fighting chance.
Sasuke proved that he could take on Raikage in there previous battle. Since then he has only gotten stronger, while the Raikage remains the same or weaker by being one hand shorter from the first battle.

Kisame finish Bee off, helps Sasuke kill Raikage, then they both defeat Kumo's Elite.

[hakuthehedgehog]

I said the sneak attack only took a shave off Hachibi's chakra, not finish him off.
Also, Kisame can't use the big water jutsu because of Sasuke's presence.
Raikage was enraged against Sasuke, so he shouldn't do the same errors he did against Sasuke (sacrifice his hand).
IMO, Bee can use lariat against Kisame, while Raikage quickly finishes him off.
Then, they together defeat Sasuke using a combination or Samehada's chakra sucking abilities and speed.
Edit: Damn, forgot to put a poll >.<

[Prince Sasuke]

I said the sneak attack only took a shave off Hachibi's chakra, not finish him off.
Also, Kisame can't use the big water jutsu because of Sasuke's presence.
Raikage was enraged against Sasuke, so he shouldn't do the same errors he did against Sasuke (sacrifice his hand).
IMO, Bee can use lariat against Kisame, while Raikage quickly finishes him off.
Then, they together defeat Sasuke using a combination or Samehada's chakra sucking abilities and speed.
Edit: Damn, forgot to put a poll >.<

The sneak attack wouldn't finish Bee off but it would defintely give him an advantage.
Sasuke could easily summon a Hawk to avoid Kisame Water jutsu,so that won't be a problem.
Raikage was in Rage, but haven't gotten any stronger, while Sasuke has level up in chakra and a complete Susanoo, not to mention that Sasuke was already able to hang with Raikage before that.
Bee would still lose to Kisame,and Raikage would now lose to Sasuke. By the time The Ekite show up it'll be to late. Just more dead Kumo Ninjas.

[Delbi]

Sasuke and Kisame easily. The only thing they have to worry about is the speed of the two brothers, that's it. When the fodder Kumo Jounins come Sasuke will Ameratsu them into oblivion. Bee gets curbed again by Kisame, and then Raikage gets double teamed and owned.

[kkck]

I would go for sasuke and kisame. A combination of susanoo and amaterasu would destroy either brother IMHO. Kisame is probably the better matchup for raikage. Raikages armor can be more than absurdly easily negated by samehada. Since raikage lacks a biju to provide him chakra he won't last nearly as long as B did against kisame.

[Eddy01741]

Well, we know that if the fight separates, sasuke+Kisame will win. Kisame beat Bee in a one on one (before the whole samehada giving Bee chakra thing happened, which was a ruse for Kisame to infiltrate kumo) pretty damn easily. The only jutsu he used was the water dome, then combining himself with samehada to do major damage. Just imagine what Kisame could do with his water jutsu (which his 30% clone used to absolutely demolish a non-gated Gai, who is not a pushover by any means). So kisame definitely wins his matchup.

Sasuke also wins vs. raikage, his ms spam is far too powerful. That skeleton/riblet susanoo we saw? Well, it's been replaced by the full susanoo it seems (the wierd mask and all), not to mention it has a weapon now (that bow that seems to be very powerful, potentially 1hko considering how Danzou was dealing with it), and he has his amaterasu, which he can manipulate to defend himself. So yeah, Sasuke wins in a one on one.


The only possibility the kumo bros have of winning is if they stick together as a team. They 1hkoed Zetsu's Kisame clone extremely fast, but that was Zetsu, not Kisame. ALso, Sasuke is also there, so the double lariat won't work so well if it ain't a 2v1. Additionally, if Sasuke goes Susanoo at the beginning of the fight (which he should considering every time he starts "testing out" the opponent, he gets his ass kicked (look at the bee fight, got owned twice)), then the bros obviously can't double lariat him. That leaves Kisame. Kisame probably would also pop his water dome and start bringing it into range of the bros (I'm seeing the bros trapped in water and susanoo bow sniping them), so I doubt they'd be able to pull the double lariat when Kisame is in water.


So yeah, Kisame and Sasuke.

[Lord Abortion]

I'm confused, currently Samehada has taken a liking to Bee. So were are in a situation where that has changed? I'll go with the kumo bros.

Instead of going with the Bee vs Kisame and Raikage vs Sasuke pair off scenario, I think switching would be very advantageous to the brothers.

The only difference in a Bee vs Sasuke match up is the fact that Sasuke can use susanoo, other than that nothing has changed between the two. Sasuke has no advantage in any of his lightning abilities against bee, he can't use his genjutsu very welll because Bee has the 8 tails, AM could possibly be dodged and if he uses Susanoo I would expect Bee to go into the second form and blast him open.

Kisame vs the Raiakge is a worst set up for Kisame. Kisame in both of his fights against Gai and Bee has shown a habit of flooding the area with water, so I would assume that he would do that and then quickly become fried from Raikages raton armor. Other than that Raikage can probably overpower kisame without the need to use his armor.

I really don't think that after a fight where Bee knows he barely came out of he would redo it especially since he knows that he has two technical kills over Sasuke who was healed so he could continue fighting.

[ninjabot]

Sasuke thrashes Bee now that he's shown that even without a complete Susanoo he could push Raikage to a stalemate. Raikage is PROBABLY faster than Killerbee by a good amount, and he had no way to counter Sasuke's Amaterasu-laden ribs on Susanoo without sacrificing a limb. Bijuu havn't shown the ability to repair lost limbs either.

Killerbee would go for a full on high-speed Taijutsu blitze, thinking that Sasuke would be a sitting duck now that he doesn't have numbers on his side, but Sasuke only needs to get a second's worth of eyesight to either connect with Amaterasu or create a Susanoo hand to squish his enemy.

Raikage doesn't have the chakra to spam Raiton Armor like his brother does. Sure he's considerably faster than Sasuke and Kisame, but he Samehada manages to swallow up that chakra, it won't take as many bites as it took to de-power Hachibi. And with that lost armor, so is Raikage's superior mobility. And with nothing but Taijutsu to fall back on, he's screwed completely and utterly, Kage or not.

Akatsuki wins.

[jdw]

Raikage doesn't have the chakra to spam Raiton Armor like his brother does.

Karin Disagrees with you
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6481/52790770.jpg
Link (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-463/page008.html)

[ninjabot]

Tailed beast levels, sure. Can you assure me that those chakra levels are comperable to Hachibi's though?

It'd be like trying to assure me that Gaara (with Shukaku) had a chakra level comperable to Naruto's.

[jdw]

Tailed beast levels, sure. Can you assure me that those chakra levels are comperable to Hachibi's though?

It'd be like trying to assure me that Gaara (with Shukaku) had a chakra level comperable to Naruto's.

There hasn't been a chakra scale set in the manga, so no, but there is no reason to think she is speaking of another Bijuu, and it is clear that Raikage has bijuu level chakra and it was still growing when she noted it. She places him in a certain class. Also note that we are only aware of a single Bijuu contact by Karin: Hachibi. While it is very possible that she has experienced many Bijuu, we know for sure she experienced Hachibi (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/414/01/), was frightened as all hell, and then follows up by saying Raikage has Bijuu level chakra and is seen in the fetal position shivering like a junkie looking for a fix.

[ninjabot]

There's no reason to assume she's speaking of another bijuu, but there's every reason to think that she's relying on the textbook definition of a bijuu: a beast of great distruction with a massive chakra reserve. She has no way of knowing which one contains the most destructive power. We however, can, based on the feats we've seen. Compare any feats of destruction and stamina seen from Gaara to Naruto or Killerbee.

[Lord Abortion]

Sasuke thrashes Bee now that he's shown that even without a complete Susanoo he could push Raikage to a stalemate. Raikage is PROBABLY faster than Killerbee by a good amount, and he had no way to counter Sasuke's Amaterasu-laden ribs on Susanoo without sacrificing a limb. Bijuu havn't shown the ability to repair lost limbs either.

While Raikage was pushed to a stalemate because all he's shown so far is his physicality in conjunction with his raton armor, Bee has far more versitility and has shown he can easily dispatch of Sasuke. Out of three potentially deadly blows.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/18/

Bee 1 Sasuke 0

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/10-11/

Bee 2 Sasuke 0

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/02-03/

Bee 2 Sasuke 1





Killerbee would go for a full on high-speed Taijutsu blitze, thinking that Sasuke would be a sitting duck now that he doesn't have numbers on his side, but Sasuke only needs to get a second's worth of eyesight to either connect with Amaterasu or create a Susanoo hand to squish his enemy.


At the same time, Bee only needs a second to transform into the second state as well. He has much more chakra than Sasuke, and if that form is anything like Naruto he probably can access the chakra ball attack. Not to mention, that split second it would've taken Sasuke to turn to look at Bee when Bee impaled him shows Bee's superior speed when in that form.




Raikage doesn't have the chakra to spam Raiton Armor like his brother does. Sure he's considerably faster than Sasuke and Kisame, but he Samehada manages to swallow up that chakra, it won't take as many bites as it took to de-power Hachibi. And with that lost armor, so is Raikage's superior mobility. And with nothing but Taijutsu to fall back on, he's screwed completely and utterly, Kage or not.

Akatsuki wins.

In a one on one fight with Kisame, especially after seeing what moves Raikage has used, the fact that samehada can be kicked away, even without the armor, Raikage could probably just man handle him with grappling.

[Rikudou King]

Kirabi doesn't have superior speed to Sasuke. Both the times he wounded Sasuke was because Sasuke was overconfident. Now that Sasuke has Susanoo, He'll be able to block the majority of Kirabi's techniques.

[Evil_Eyes]

Sasuke Vs Bee - Amaterasu'd already taken Bee out once before. No problem doin' it for the second time, especially since Sauce's skills have only improved.
Sasuke Vs Roidkage - Raikage woulda kicked the bucket if Gaara wouldn't have interfered.
Kisame Vs Bee - Bee got beat by a Kisame who wasn't even going all out to kill Bee. Enough said.
Kisame Vs Raikage - Raikage. Probably. :|

[Lord Abortion]

Kirabi doesn't have superior speed to Sasuke. Both the times he wounded Sasuke was because Sasuke was overconfident. Now that Sasuke has Susanoo, He'll be able to block the majority of Kirabi's techniques.

Being overconfident has no effect on someones speed, if he was overconfident he wouldn't have activated his sharingan the first time he was impaled by Bee, after needing to be healed or die I doubt his confidence would be just as high. Bee was also fast enough to get put under genjutsu, hit the ground, recover and impale Sasuke by the time he had the chance to turn around. That's clearly showing that in that form he outclasses him speed wise.

[Rikudou King]

Sasuke's overconfidence made him not take things seriously in the fight until it was too late. If Kirabi really had greater speed, Then he would have overwhelmed Team Taka, Which he was unable to do. And Kirabi wasn't the one who broke the genjutsu, That was the Hachibi who broke it when Kirabi was under it. That doesn't show Kirabi's speed in any way.

[ninjabot]

At the same time, Bee only needs a second to transform into the second state as well. He has much more chakra than Sasuke, and if that form is anything like Naruto he probably can access the chakra ball attack. Not to mention, that split second it would've taken Sasuke to turn to look at Bee when Bee impaled him shows Bee's superior speed when in that form.


Sure Bee and Raikage have movement speed greater than Sasuke. But they don't have movements so fast that they can strike before Susano'o manifests. There isn't the slightest doubt in my mind that Sasuke's full-Susano'o can tank a blow from 2nd Version Killerbee, and even less reason to believe that he can't catch Killerbee with a fatal counter attack based on the simple fact that all of Killerbee's attacks are close range.

Killerbee rushes in for a Bone Lariat? Sasuke tanks with Susanoo, grabs him, crushes him. Same for a close range Raiton charged knife. And in the event that Sasuke DOESN'T grab him, an Amaterasu-laced Susanoo that Killerbee runs directly into seals the fight.

Unless he cuts his own limbs off ala Raikage. But then, he's only got a handfull of limbs he can sacrifice.

[Ryr]

Susanoo is already a powerful offensive and protective jutsu. Circling a complete Susanoo with Enton shields virtually makes Sasuke untouchable.

Though, knowing Raikage, he would simply attack anyway and get himself burned - but this time the Susanoo is not simply a skeletal frame and therefore Sasuke is not as vulnerable to taijutsu as before.

[Lord Abortion]

Sasuke's overconfidence made him not take things seriously in the fight until it was too late. If Kirabi really had greater speed, Then he would have overwhelmed Team Taka, Which he was unable to do. And Kirabi wasn't the one who broke the genjutsu, That was the Hachibi who broke it when Kirabi was under it. That doesn't show Kirabi's speed in any way.

Why would he not take the fight seriously after he was impaled because he was unable to keep up with the movements of Bee before Bee even used the shroud? And he was handling Taka, the most they did to harm him was getting electrocuted and Juugo punching him, which did nothing to harm him. If he hadn't transformed into the full 8 tails formed he would've walked through them.

It does show his speed. From laying on the ground, a few feet away Bee was able to impale Sasuke just as he turned around.

[Rikudou King]

Why would he not take the fight seriously after he was impaled because he was unable to keep up with the movements of Bee before Bee even used the shroud? And he was handling Taka, the most they did to harm him was getting electrocuted and Juugo punching him, which did nothing to harm him. If he hadn't transformed into the full 8 tails formed he would've walked through them. Sasuke wasn’t taking things serious before being stab, But afterward he got serious and gave Kirabi a run for it. Sasuke was able to keep track of Kirabi in shroud form fine. He was even able to dodge an attack only Ee had ever done. Kirabi stated that Sasuke was very strong, Enough so that he had to leave a decoy to escape. So how doesn’t that show that Kirabi’s speed wasn‘t that great compared to Sasuke‘s speed.


It does show his speed. From laying on the ground, a few feet away Bee was able to impale Sasuke just as he turned around. How is that a show of speed? He was less then a few feet away and Sasuke had his back towards him and one eye covered. Sasuke thought he was down for the count.

[hakuthehedgehog]

Kirabi does have superior speed to Sasuke, being able to outrun him and all, but Sasuke is able to dodge his blows thanks to his sharingan.

[Prince Sasuke]

Kirabi does have superior speed to Sasuke, being able to outrun him and all, but Sasuke is able to dodge his blows thanks to his sharingan.

Superior speed or not, Hachibi can handle Sasuke. Sasuke has grown ten fold since there first encounter,and he wont be still weak from his battle with Itachi.

Right now, Sasuke is an a class all by himself. IMO

[Lord Abortion]

Sasuke wasn’t taking things serious before being stab, But afterward he got serious and gave Kirabi a run for it. Sasuke was able to keep track of Kirabi in shroud form fine. He was even able to dodge an attack only Ee had ever done. Kirabi stated that Sasuke was very strong, Enough so that he had to leave a decoy to escape. So how doesn’t that show that Kirabi’s speed wasn‘t that great compared to Sasuke‘s speed.

How is that a show of speed? He was less then a few feet away and Sasuke had his back towards him and one eye covered. Sasuke thought he was down for the count.

Well, why do you say he wasn't taking him seriously? Is there anything in the manga that suggests that he was playing with him? The only time Sasuke had an advantage is when Bee acted irrationally and showed off by going into the 8 tails form. Before that it is shown that Bee was able to fight all members of Taka (save for Kiran) one on one and win. Even when they teamed up on him, the most they did was stop him from cleaving through Suigetsus sword, punch him, Sasuke landed a chidori that did no damage.

I believe its a show of speed for the fact that sasuke doesn't seem like an amateur that would keep his eyes off of his opponent because he beleives he had finished him off. All the comic shows is that within the time it took sasuke to look back at Bee to check on his body, he was impaled.
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Sure Bee and Raikage have movement speed greater than Sasuke. But they don't have movements so fast that they can strike before Susano'o manifests. There isn't the slightest doubt in my mind that Sasuke's full-Susano'o can tank a blow from 2nd Version Killerbee, and even less reason to believe that he can't catch Killerbee with a fatal counter attack based on the simple fact that all of Killerbee's attacks are close range.

Killerbee rushes in for a Bone Lariat? Sasuke tanks with Susanoo, grabs him, crushes him. Same for a close range Raiton charged knife. And in the event that Sasuke DOESN'T grab him, an Amaterasu-laced Susanoo that Killerbee runs directly into seals the fight.

Unless he cuts his own limbs off ala Raikage. But then, he's only got a handfull of limbs he can sacrifice.

Bee has his menacing ball attack. If Sasuke were to go full Susanoo, Bee could just as well go to full 8 tail form and blast away at Sasuke.

What we haven't seen Sasuke do while in the more completed stages of Susanoo are use AM to coat it like he did with the incomplete form, he actually deactivates susanoo vs danzou before he does AM as well. So I would run off of the assumption that he would not be able to do it in the complete form because he hasn't so far.

[En Yang Ji]

- Sasuke had Susanoo on when he used Amaterasu: http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/477-18/7

- If Suigetsu can tank the 8 tails chakra blast while keeping Sasuke and the others from taking any damage from it, Susanoo probably could take it in it's skeletal form.

- I doubt the Raikage's massive chakra or lightning armor will work against genjutsu. If all it took to overpower a genjutsu was to use more the chakra than the genjutsu user, than sharingan genjutsu wouldn't be so strong. When itachi uses normal genjutsu, he probably doesn't use that much chakra. So all someone would have to do break it, is use more chakra than Itachi. Still Oro was able to break out of Itachi's or Sasuke's genjutsu.

- The lightning armor is just chakra visible on the outside of his body. It just the same as when Lee uses the gates or when Naruto uses the Kyuubi chakra.

[Lord Abortion]

Ok, I remembered that backwards then. Suigetsu is just an almagamation of water however and the "final" not complete version of susanoo was opened by a combination of danzous wind attack and his summon trying to inhale sasuke, I don't see how a skeletal version would survive something vastly more destructive.

[En Yang Ji]

- Suigetsu still was able to stop the 8 tails chakra blast from hurting team Hebi at almost point blank range though. With as much power the 8 tail he should of been able to power through Suigetsu and kill team Hebi.
- Itachi's Susanoo was able to tank Kirin it's skeletal form.
- Sasuke's Susanoo was attacked by behind and cut by a powered up wind justu. Hachibi would have to destroy it.

[Rikudou King]

Well, why do you say he wasn't taking him seriously? Is there anything in the manga that suggests that he was playing with him? The only time Sasuke had an advantage is when Bee acted irrationally and showed off by going into the 8 tails form. Before that it is shown that Bee was able to fight all members of Taka (save for Kiran) one on one and win. Even when they teamed up on him, the most they did was stop him from cleaving through Suigetsus sword, punch him, Sasuke landed a chidori that did no damage. Never said Sauske was playing with him, But Sasuke wasn’t fighting as he would have against a stronger opponent. It’s true one on one they weren’t putting up much of a fight, But when they fought together, They prove strong enough to force Kirabi to run. If Kirabi considered Sasuke strong then, Now with his new powers he would be an even greater danger.


I believe its a show of speed for the fact that sasuke doesn't seem like an amateur that would keep his eyes off of his opponent because he beleives he had finished him off. All the comic shows is that within the time it took sasuke to look back at Bee to check on his body, he was impaled. But that precisely what Sasuke was doing. He thought the fight was over and was relaxing. Attacking from a few feet away is not a feat of speed, Especially when we have witness true speedsters move entire distances in a blink of an eye.

[Shaunlim]

- Suigetsu still was able to stop the 8 tails chakra blast from hurting team Hebi at almost point blank range though. With as much power the 8 tail he should of been able to power through Suigetsu and kill team Hebi.


I think there is a misconception around here that Hachibi's chakra blast didn't do much.

a) As we can clearly see...the beam blasted through Suigetsu (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/414/06/) and destroyed the valley (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/414/07/)

b) The reason why the rest of taka survived was pretty much because it had missed them. Besides, it seems that the chakra blast was meant for Suigetsu only at that moment as it was blocking Hachibi from getting to Taka.

[Lord Abortion]

Never said Sauske was playing with him, But Sasuke wasn’t fighting as he would have against a stronger opponent. It’s true one on one they weren’t putting up much of a fight, But when they fought together, They prove strong enough to force Kirabi to run. If Kirabi considered Sasuke strong then, Now with his new powers he would be an even greater danger.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/16/

He used the opportunity to convince his brother that he was captured by Akatsuki.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/17/

Even the 8 tails asked why Bee summoned him when he had the upper hand. Where does Bee say that he thought that Sasuke was as strong or stronger than him? He says that he's one of the strongest he's fought, but outside from that what mention?



But that precisely what Sasuke was doing. He thought the fight was over and was relaxing. Attacking from a few feet away is not a feat of speed, Especially when we have witness true speedsters move entire distances in a blink of an eye.

If he was relaxing and thought the fight was over I would expect him to deactivate the sharingan.

[Rikudou King]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/16/

He used the opportunity to convince his brother that he was captured by Akatsuki.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/17/

Even the 8 tails asked why Bee summoned him when he had the upper hand. Where does Bee say that he thought that Sasuke was as strong or stronger than him? He says that he's one of the strongest he's fought, but outside from that what mention? Kirabi ran here. (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v44/c412/16.html) I never said Kirabi thought Sasuke was stronger then him, But he did say that Sasuke was strong. That was before Sasuke gain better control of his MS techniques. So if he was considered strong then, It’s clear he would be even stronger now.


If he was relaxing and thought the fight was over I would expect him to deactivate the sharingan. Why? After Deidara died he kept his Sharingan active, Even though he saw Deidara explode and had been summoned away.

[Lord Abortion]

Kirabi ran here. (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v44/c412/16.html) I never said Kirabi thought Sasuke was stronger then him, But he did say that Sasuke was strong. That was before Sasuke gain better control of his MS techniques. So if he was considered strong then, It’s clear he would be even stronger now.

Saying "For a bunch of weakling they sure are a pain. Playtimes over, time to go home and have some whiskey again, yeah" does not suggest they had him running, he says they are weak even.



Why? After Deidara died he kept his Sharingan active, Even though he saw Deidara explode and had been summoned away.

He had just controlled Manda, with a more recent fight to that with itachi, he deactivates it immediately after he thought he incapacitated Itachi.

[Rikudou King]

Saying "For a bunch of weakling they sure are a pain. Playtimes over, time to go home and have some whiskey again, yeah" does not suggest they had him running, he says they are weak even. They were weak compared to him individually, But he still had to run for it. Were they truly no threat, He would have been able to finish all of them off, Yet he chose to run away.


He had just controlled Manda, with a more recent fight to that with itachi, he deactivates it immediately after he thought he incapacitated Itachi. Even after Manda had died and they were joined by Karin and Juugo, Sasuke still had his Sharingan active. With Itachi, Sasuke was too tired to hold his Sharingan and even then, It didn't shut off right away. Point being, Sasuke has never just shut off his Sharingan once he's beaten someone.

[Lord Abortion]

They were weak compared to him individually, But he still had to run for it. Were they truly no threat, He would have been able to finish all of them off, Yet he chose to run away.

He says otherwise, and he also goes back to attack them all. Sasuke couldn't even pierce him with the chidori. So there's no signs of him running other than what he said, he was bored with them.




Even after Manda had died and they were joined by Karin and Juugo, Sasuke still had his Sharingan active. With Itachi, Sasuke was too tired to hold his Sharingan and even then, It didn't shut off right away. Point being, Sasuke has never just shut off his Sharingan once he's beaten someone.

You're right, but there is an ocassion where he does deactivate it after the valley of the end after he fights and assumes he had finished off Naruto.

Aside from all this, the demon shroud should act like narutos where it makes the user faster, in this case Bee who could already keep up with Sasuke in the shroud should be faster.

[Rikudou King]

He says otherwise, and he also goes back to attack them all. Sasuke couldn't even pierce him with the chidori. So there's no signs of him running other than what he said, he was bored with them. Yet afterward he admits that Sasuke is strong. He doesn't go back to attack them til Karin reveals his location and Sasuke attacks. He had no other chose but to continue the fight until he though up hiding in the cut tentacle. Also, Sasuke did pierce Kirabi with his Chidori. He screamed and fell to the ground after it.


You're right, but there is an ocassion where he does deactivate it after the valley of the end after he fights and assumes he had finished off Naruto. Still, The majority of his fights and all of his current fights have Sasuke keeping his Sharingan active even when he has won or when his opponent can't fight anymore.


Aside from all this, the demon shroud should act like narutos where it makes the user faster, in this case Bee who could already keep up with Sasuke in the shroud should be faster. Sasuke already showed he could keep track of Kirabi in his cloak form. Naruto's cloak didn't make him all that faster. Sasuke could still keep track of him. It was the individual mind of the cloak that gave Sasuke trouble.

[Lord Abortion]

Yet afterward he admits that Sasuke is strong. He doesn't go back to attack them til Karin reveals his location and Sasuke attacks. He had no other chose but to continue the fight until he though up hiding in the cut tentacle. Also, Sasuke did pierce Kirabi with his Chidori. He screamed and fell to the ground after it.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/014/ Where he gets hit
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/015/ Where he speeds off where even Sasuke with his sharingan and chakra seeing abilities
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/016/ No cuts and no frames of him healing. He dropped from being electrocuted, but was not cut. Even Raikage was pierced by his chidori.

It's pretty hard to buy that he was running away, when he went back and had opportunities to run after he impaled Sasuke a second time and stood to fight. He clearly outclassed them.


Still, The majority of his fights and all of his current fights have Sasuke keeping his Sharingan active even when he has won or when his opponent can't fight anymore.

He also turned it off after Danzou had died and after he had assimilated Oro. That leads me to believe that he deactivates it when he is certain that he has beat someone.



Sasuke already showed he could keep track of Kirabi in his cloak form. Naruto's cloak didn't make him all that faster. Sasuke could still keep track of him. It was the individual mind of the cloak that gave Sasuke trouble.

Sasuke was faster than Naruto up until the point where Naruto started to tap into his fox demon. Bee was not taking Sasuke seriously at all, was kicked by Sasuke when Sasuke wanted to retrieve suigetsus sword and didn't budge, but made time to write in his note pad. Then managed to pierce Sasuke whos sharingan predicts the movements of a person. Knowing that he was going to be getting stabbed and not being able to do anything about it shows a difference in speed.

[Delbi]

Bee had the advantage for nearly the entire fight. Sasuke got a few hits in, but nothing that truly hurt Bee in any way. If anything, Bee was surprised at how talented Sasuke was for someone so young.

However, that all changed when Sasuke used Ameratsu. At that moment, the fight was lost for Bee.

In his most powerful transformation, Bee was reduced to screaming in agony, his only option left was to escape, which ironically, he was only capable of doing because of Sasuke cutting off one of his tenticles. If that had not happened, Bee could not have used a substitution jutsu because he couldn't have moved his real body as he would have still be in one piece.

If these events had not transpired, Bee would have been captured, and he wouldn't have went into hiding. It was simply oppertunity and Bee's quick thinking that allowed him to do what he did. If the circumstances had only been slightly different he couldn't have done what he did.

Now, if they fought again, what would the outcome be? I'm not sure, but I'm leaning towards Sasuke. Bee hasn't really shown anything that can destroy Sussano. Sussano =/= rocks and water, so that chakra blast blowing shit up doesn't impress me in the slightest.

Also, Sasuke's use of Ameratsu would destroy Bee and 99% of the shinobi population in the Narutoverse. He'd spam it until Bee was killed or near dead. He can't move like the Raikage, so there's no dodging it for him. And Sasuke would be wise to him using an substituions a second time around.

But Bee isn't really the biggest factor in this fight, the Raikage is. IMO, Bee is the weakest of all 4 fighters, and the Raikage, with his speed, can spell trouble for both Kisame and Sasuke. Granted, he will no longer be able to touch Sasuke, but if Bee can distract Sasuke and make an opening, the Raikage can take advantage of it.

Kisame can deal with the Raikage however though. His Raiton Armor would fall relatively quick the more he attack Kisame, so seperating him from his sword is a must.

All in all though, I can't really see the Kumo Bro's winning. Sasuke and Kisame are just too damn powerful, and the Kumo bro's lack the versatility that Kisame and Sasuke have.

[jdw]

There is always the possibility that Raikage can save Bee from Amaterasu with his speed. Furthermore, while we know that Bee cannot dodge amaterasu while in full Hachibi form, it is not known whether he can dodge amaterasu in his lower forms. While we know that Raikage's speed is enough to dodge it, we don't know if Raikage's speed is the precise minimum required to do so.

As for Susanoo, it was opened up by a fuuton fueled by a supplemental fuuton. I cannot say for certain that the Hachibi chakra blast is greater, but I'd place my bet on it if I could.

[hakuthehedgehog]

I don't think speed is only thing required to dodge amaterasu : extreme reflexes are also needed, and I don't think Bee as got them.
Anyways, Bee might be able to defeat amaterasu by partially transformate and escape in a tentacle, or divide himself like the four tailed Kyuubi did against amaterasu.
Kisame has no way in hell against Raikage though, there is no way he can dodge the neck chop he did against Sasuke, and samehada can only eat chakra that is near it.
With Kisame dead, Bee might be able to use Samehada to eat Susano'o and defeat Sasuke.
I don't know, this is a very hard fight, 50/50 for me.

[Darth Executor]

Kisame and Sasuke. Sasuke and Raikage were more or less drawing (I think Sasuke had the edge, a lot of people think raikage had the edge, but either way there's a good likelihood they would've just killed each other if Gaara hadn't interfered) and sasuke only had baby susanoo at the time. Kisame destroyed killerbee and I don't think full bijuu would make any difference at all since the chakra blast is spread over a wide area and samehada would just need to suck enough of it to keep the area around kisame safe. Assuming him and sasuke can't just dodge it like sasuke & co did at unraikyo. Let's not forget kisame can travel underground with douton.

[hakuthehedgehog]

Bee can't fully transform, otherwise he is an easy picking for Sasuke.
The outcome of this fight depends in Bee's ability to deal with amaterasu.
If he can dodge it in any way, then Raikage and Bee shouldn't have much trouble dealing with them.
Susano'o can't reach them: they are fast and durable enough for it.
Tskuyumy: also a no-go
Kisame can't use his big water sphere because Sasuke is nearby and whould nearly drown as well.
Raikage's speed easily thrumps Kisame, stricking him from behind whould KO him: if Sasuke could barely look behind then Kisame, who is slower than him, shouldn't be able to do anything except be straight owned.
Then all Bee and Raikage have to do is to circle around Sasuke while his life force and chakra is wasted by Susano'o.
If Bee can't dodge amaterasu, they are owned, simple as that.

[Darth Executor]

Susanoo can protect sasuke from the water. And raikage can't kill kisame, from behind or otherwise, if he has samehada since he'll just use raikage's chakra to heal. If Kisame fuses there's pretty much no way a pair of brawlers can beat him, no matter how good they are.

[hakuthehedgehog]

Susanoo can protect sasuke from the water. And raikage can't kill kisame, from behind or otherwise, if he has samehada since he'll just use raikage's chakra to heal. If Kisame fuses there's pretty much no way a pair of brawlers can beat him, no matter how good they are.

Raikage can just smash his skull while Kisame is on the ground.
Also, how can Samehada eat Raikage's chakra if it can't touch him?
If Kisame goes into the water sphere form, somehow finding a way to do a seal against the Raikage, Bee and Raikage can go to the top of the dome and blast it away with a chakra blast sticking together so that Kisame can't go near them, because Raikage can kill him easily even without raiton armour.

[Darth Executor]

Raikage can just smash his skull while Kisame is on the ground.

Sasuke will amaterasu him from behind if he stands still for even a second. This is assuming Kisame will fight raikage the same way he fights bee, which is rather unlikely. I'm guessing kisame would just fuse from the start which will render raikage pretty much useless.


Also, how can Samehada eat Raikage's chakra if it can't touch him?

Doesn't need to.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/470/16/

It sucked the chakra out of bee's sword without touching him. Not to mention that raikage would lose his raiton armor and with it his reaction speed. Which means Sasuke can snipe him with amaterasu, maybe even before he touches kisame at all. Which means that unless raikage kills kisame with that hit (which is rather unlikely as without the raiton armor he loses the reaction speed and with it the accuracy), the result will be kisame and sasuke vs bee which won't be pretty.


If Kisame goes into the water sphere form, somehow finding a way to do a seal against the Raikage, Bee and Raikage can go to the top of the dome and blast it away with a chakra blast sticking together

Pointless. Kisame can just raise up the water again, and Sasuke has a nice target for amaterasu.


so that Kisame can't go near them, because Raikage can kill him easily even without raiton armour.

Umm, no. Hell no. Kisame's not a pencil neck geek like Sasuke, he's one of the strongest characters in the manga. He could overcome both gai and asuma, and has a 5 in the databook. Raikage OTOH has yet to one hit KO anything other than a zetsu clone. The idea that raikage can just one touch kill anyone, let alone kisame is absurd. Without his raiton armor Raikage becomes fodder. He can't use his speed properly and he's easy pickings for sasuke.

[jdw]

We should note that there is a possiblity that Kisame might not be able to fuse with Samehada. Kisame has been separated from his sword before. Bee knows of the fusion ability and could tell Raikage, who could use his speed and strength to seperate Kisame from the blade. Of course, Raikage would be sacrificing some chakra in the exchange, but it might be wort it in the end and he has Bijuu levels anyway. Samehada would definitely try to return to Kisame as it did against Gai, but Raikage's speed and reflexes could theoretically prevent a reunion.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3939/kisamer.jpg

[hakuthehedgehog]

But Samehada can't eat chakra unless it is close.
Raikage should be able to make a curve, thus making Samehada unable to reach him and eat his chakra.
Sasuke can't amaterasu if Bee spits ink. And seeing chakra shouldn't work because Sasuke is inside a chakra beast.
I never said Raikage whould one hit kill Kisame even without Raiton armour.
But fused Kisame seems like he is not as apt for CQC as Raikage.
Seriously, If Raikage grabs his head, and repeatly kicks his head, crushing it, seems like a good way to kill Kisame.

@ Jdw: the same applies for Bee: he can Lariat twice Kisame, giving him no change to recover.

[Darth Executor]

But Samehada can't eat chakra unless it is close.
Raikage should be able to make a curve, thus making Samehada unable to reach him and eat his chakra.

Running a circle around someone takes much longer than it takes the person to turn. And Samehada bends to protect its master anyway.


Sasuke can't amaterasu if Bee spits ink. And seeing chakra shouldn't work because Sasuke is inside a chakra beast.

Bee spits ink where? I don't see how ink will help him above water. And if it's underwater Kisame can probably solo both raikage and bee.



I never said Raikage whould one hit kill Kisame even without Raiton armour.
But fused Kisame seems like he is not as apt for CQC as Raikage.
Seriously, If Raikage grabs his head, and repeatly kicks his head, crushing it, seems like a good way to kill Kisame.


I don't think kisame will just sit there and let raikage kick his head in. He'll likely just impale raikage in spikes. he doesn't have to keep him alive like he would if he was capturing bee, he can just shred the living crap out of him.

I honestly don't see how any brawler could take kisame. Proximity sucks your chakra out, he can produce water to interfere with your movements considerably and he can produce spikes form his body to impale you on.
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We should note that there is a possiblity that Kisame might not be able to fuse with Samehada. Kisame has been separated from his sword before. Bee knows of the fusion ability and could tell Raikage, who could use his speed and strength to seperate Kisame from the blade.

I don't think it's a good idea for raikage to go after kisame in the first place. If he loses his raiton armor (and he will, even if he gets a lucky hit and 1 hit kos kisame, which I don't think is likely), Sasuke will just amaterasu snipe him and it's over for him.

[jdw]

I don't think it's a good idea for raikage to go after kisame in the first place. If he loses his raiton armor (and he will, even if he gets a lucky hit and 1 hit kos kisame, which I don't think is likely), Sasuke will just amaterasu snipe him and it's over for him.

With Bijuu level chakra, he may be able to turn it back on. As for the amaterasu snipe, you are assuming Sasuke would be in a position to do that, at that exact moment. If you give them every benefit of the doubt there is no fight worth talking about.

[Darth Executor]

With Bijuu level chakra, he may be able to turn it back on.

Sasuke wouldn't need much time. And if Raikage's busy with Kisame Sasuke might be able to snipe him even if his armor is on as raikage will be focusing on Kisame.


As for the amaterasu snipe, you are assuming Sasuke would be in a position to do that, at that exact moment.

I think the odds swing in his favor due to the fact that he has susanoo (which means he doesn't need to focus on bee completely just to stay alive) and in part because one of the sharingan's abilities is tracking chakra and movement which makes him perfect for this kind of operation.


If you give them every benefit of the doubt there is no fight worth talking about.

I'm not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt, aside from assuming that they're all competent enough to take an opening if it presents itself.

edit: I should add that I don't think there's much worth in discussing this fight because I think the kumo bros are horribly outmatched. I'm just here because I'm bored and waiting for spoilers to come. ^_^

[Rikudou King]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/014/ Where he gets hit
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/015/ Where he speeds off where even Sasuke with his sharingan and chakra seeing abilities
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/016/ No cuts and no frames of him healing. He dropped from being electrocuted, but was not cut. Even Raikage was pierced by his chidori.

It's pretty hard to buy that he was running away, when he went back and had opportunities to run after he impaled Sasuke a second time and stood to fight. He clearly outclassed them. You can see Sasuke’s hand inside of Kirabi. He had from the time he fell to when Juugo noticed he was gone to heal. You will also note that Sasuke wasn’t watching him when he ran. Sasuke and Suigetsu was racing the opposite way from where Kirabi was.

He had to go back since they had a sensor ninja. There was no other why he could have escaped. Especially since he knew that Karin could have healed Sasuke as she did earlier.


He also turned it off after Danzou had died and after he had assimilated Oro. That leads me to believe that he deactivates it when he is certain that he has beat someone. Both those times Sasuke still had his eyes active for a short while afterward. The difference with Danzo was Sasuke’s eyes were taking their toll on him. With Orochimaru, There was time between the end of the fight and when Kabuto discovered them. There's nothing that would suggest that Sasuke would turn his Sharingan off imminently after defeating someone.


Sasuke was faster than Naruto up until the point where Naruto started to tap into his fox demon. Bee was not taking Sasuke seriously at all, was kicked by Sasuke when Sasuke wanted to retrieve suigetsus sword and didn't budge, but made time to write in his note pad. Then managed to pierce Sasuke whos sharingan predicts the movements of a person. Knowing that he was going to be getting stabbed and not being able to do anything about it shows a difference in speed. They were even. Sasuke merely had the edge with his Sharingan. At first Kirabi wasn’t taking Sasuke seriously, But that changed later on. Sasuke didn’t get stab because he couldn’t keep up, He got stab because he couldn’t defend. There’s a difference. Sasuke only had one sword to block with, Which he did. He just couldn’t stop the other swords.


There is always the possibility that Raikage can save Bee from Amaterasu with his speed. Furthermore, while we know that Bee cannot dodge amaterasu while in full Hachibi form, it is not known whether he can dodge amaterasu in his lower forms. While we know that Raikage's speed is enough to dodge it, we don't know if Raikage's speed is the precise minimum required to do so. From all that we’ve seen, Kirabi more then likely can’t dodge Amaterasu. Ee had to use Body Flicker on top of his lightning enhancement to dodge it and Kirabi has shown no such boosted speed.

[Delbi]

With Bijuu level chakra, he may be able to turn it back on. As for the amaterasu snipe, you are assuming Sasuke would be in a position to do that, at that exact moment. If you give them every benefit of the doubt there is no fight worth talking about.

Just to comment on the Raikage's Biju level chakra. It means jack when fighting Kisame. Kisame drained not only Bee dry of all his chakra, but he took nearly all of the Hachibi's as well. The Raikage won't last long if he fights Kisame as he'll lose all of his chakra with a few interactions with Kisame.

As far as sniping the Raikage, Sasuke has to contend with Bee while the Raikage is fighting Kisame if that's how this goes. Unless he can take Bee out, he's not going to have an oppertunity to really go after the Raikage as well, unless he used Sussano to protect himself and just snipes from inside of it, in which case the Raikage is fucked if he's fighting Kisame.

[jdw]

Just to comment on the Raikage's Biju level chakra. It means jack when fighting Kisame. Kisame drained not only Bee dry of all his chakra, but he took nearly all of the Hachibi's as well. The Raikage won't last long if he fights Kisame as he'll lose all of his chakra with a few interactions with Kisame.

As far as sniping the Raikage, Sasuke has to contend with Bee while the Raikage is fighting Kisame if that's how this goes. Unless he can take Bee out, he's not going to have an oppertunity to really go after the Raikage as well, unless he used Sussano to protect himself and just snipes from inside of it, in which case the Raikage is fucked if he's fighting Kisame.

While that may be true, Raikage may not need a few interactions with Kisame to end it. It is possible that if Kisame does not fuse immediately, Raikage may now from Bee to separate Kisame and Samehada immediately or else. Kisame when unfused, does not have the strength to hold on to Samehada no matter what. I am not saying it will definitely go that way, but if it does, all Raikage will need is 2 interactions and Samehada might not be there for the second. If Kisame fuses immediately, then this scenario never plays out this way.

[Delbi]

While that may be true, Raikage may not need a few interactions with Kisame to end it. It is possible that if Kisame does not fuse immediately, Raikage may now from Bee to separate Kisame and Samehada immediately or else. Kisame when unfused, does not have the strength to hold on to Samehada no matter what. I am not saying it will definitely go that way, but if it does, all Raikage will need is 2 interactions and Samehada might not be there for the second. If Kisame fuses immediately, then this scenario never plays out this way.

True defeating Kisame is all about seperating him from his sword, but there are a few problems even with that.

- Samehada can return to Kisame of it's own accord, and thus heal any damage he suffers from the Raikage.

- Kisame is rather intelligent, he's seen the Raikage fight, he might go the route of just fusing right away, or do perhaps a partial fusion, who knows.

The Raikage is very capable of seperating Kisame from Samehada, but Kisame knows that going to be coming, and even if he is seperated, he's probably going to need to be decapitated again to die for good without Samehada healing him.

[hakuthehedgehog]

Sasuke can't amaterasu snipe Raikage if his Susano'o (which he has to keep up all the time if he doesn't want to get instantly owned) is covered with ink.
Then, he shouldn't be able to see chakra because he is covered with a chakra monster.
Also, I don't think Samehada is fast enough to circle Kisame before Raikage gets near Kisame.
Even if it is, Raikage does not lose his strenght at all, and whould manage to punch Kisame in the face or in the hand , sending him far away, possibly without Samehada, reactivate his Raiton armour almost instantly and then go for the 2HKO.

[jdw]

True defeating Kisame is all about seperating him from his sword, but there are a few problems even with that.

- Samehada can return to Kisame of it's own accord, and thus heal any damage he suffers from the Raikage.

- Kisame is rather intelligent, he's seen the Raikage fight, he might go the route of just fusing right away, or do perhaps a partial fusion, who knows.

The Raikage is very capable of seperating Kisame from Samehada, but Kisame knows that going to be coming, and even if he is seperated, he's probably going to need to be decapitated again to die for good without Samehada healing him.

Raikage could potentially use his speed and reaction time to prevent Kisame from reuniting with Samehada, which has not shown Raikage-like speed. Again, it might not go this way, but if Raikage separates Kisame and the blade, even if he loses some chakra it won't be good for Kisame.

[Delbi]

Raikage could potentially use his speed and reaction time to prevent Kisame from reuniting with Samehada, which has not shown Raikage-like speed. Again, it might not go this way, but if Raikage separates Kisame and the blade, even if he loses some chakra it won't be good for Kisame.

O, if Kisame is seperated from Samehada he's fucked in this scenerio, he basically loses all of his abilities that make a difference in this fight.

But again, can the Raikage do that? I'm 50/50 because Kisame has already seen him fight, and if he fuses, the Raikage is screwed.

[jdw]

O, if Kisame is seperated from Samehada he's fucked in this scenerio, he basically loses all of his abilities that make a difference in this fight.

But again, can the Raikage do that? I'm 50/50 because Kisame has already seen him fight, and if he fuses, the Raikage is screwed.

I think it depends. I have already shown that the real Kisame can be separated from Samehada.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3939/kisamer.jpg
I am sure Raikage has the power to do it, the only thing remaining is to know if he will even try or get a chance, if Sasuke begins fighting Raikage instead, and Bee fights Kisame, the scenario changes, imo.

[Delbi]

Sasuke can't amaterasu snipe Raikage if his Susano'o (which he has to keep up all the time if he doesn't want to get instantly owned) is covered with ink.
Then, he shouldn't be able to see chakra because he is covered with a chakra monster.
Also, I don't think Samehada is fast enough to circle Kisame before Raikage gets near Kisame.
Even if it is, Raikage does not lose his strenght at all, and whould manage to punch Kisame in the face or in the hand , sending him far away, possibly without Samehada, reactivate his Raiton armour almost instantly and then go for the 2HKO.

Yes, ink that doesn't work out of water is going to cover every last bit of Sussano, yea that's really going to work :notrust Ink does not spread like it did unless it's in water. Unless Killerbee can spit it like a suiton, he isn't going to cover anything. Not to mention, Sasuke could just move away, and deactivate and reactive Sussano instantly and watch all the ink fall to the ground even if what you are proposing is even possible.

As far as Sasuke getting instantly owned, that's not the case really. He's fought both the Raikage and Killerbee before, while he certainly needs Sussano to win against the Raikage, he doesn't really need it to defeat Bee. In any event he wouldn't get owned without it vs either of them.
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I think it depends. I have already shown that the real Kisame can be separated from Samehada.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3939/kisamer.jpg
I am sure Raikage has the power to do it, the only thing remaining is to know if he will even try or get a chance, if Sasuke begins fighting Raikage instead, and Bee fights Kisame, the scenario changes, imo.

Yes, I'm well aware Kisame can be seperated from his sword. But is Kisame going to fight them without being fused at all?

IMO, after already fought them I'd think no. He'd at least use the partial fusion where Samehada was just a part of his arm, that way he'd have to be dismembered to lose it. Or he'd just go full shark mode right off the bat and start drowning them.

I think it should also be noted that Kisame can take serious amounts of punishment. He was stabbed through the shoulder with a sword and thought nothing of it. He later laughed off having his damn chest ripped out. The Raikage is going to have to behead the man to keep him down for good, or just destroy Samehada somehow, which I doubt he, or anything for that matter is capable of aside from Naruto pumping Sage Chakra into it.

[hakuthehedgehog]

O, if Kisame is seperated from Samehada he's fucked in this scenerio, he basically loses all of his abilities that make a difference in this fight.

But again, can the Raikage do that? I'm 50/50 because Kisame has already seen him fight, and if he fuses, the Raikage is screwed.

If Kisame fuses, then he probably should make the water jutsu first(giving Raikage an opening), otherwise he whould be a fish out of the water.
Even in fused form, Kisame whould eat some punches/kicks from the Raikage, and if Bee and Raikage manage to get to the top of the dome, inking the water in the process, they could stall Sasuke's Susano'o while he is underwater until they get out.

[Delbi]

If Kisame fuses, then he probably should make the water jutsu first(gicing Raikage an opening), otherwise he whould be a fish out of the water.
Even in fused form, Kisame whould eat some punches/kicks from the Raikage, and if Bee and Raikage manage to get to the top of the dome, inking the water in the process, they could stall Sasuke's Susano'o while he is underwater until they get out.

Kisame still had feet while out of water, he'd be slower than normal, but it wouldn't matter because everytime someone touched him they'd have their chakra ripped out, and Samehada would constantly heal him. Again, guy had his chest ripped out and laughed it off, he'd surive the punches and kicks.

As for them escaping to the top of the dome, this is a terrible idea for a few reasons.

1) Kisame is significantly faster than them in the water, and it moves with him. He could either add more water to make it difficult to get out, or just drown them and take all their chakra .

2) They would be sitting ducks on top of the water for Sasuke and all of his attacks.

We also have to keep this in mind, what is stopping Sasuke from using Ameratsu while they are in the dome? Ameratsu isn't affected by water, so if Sasuke can see them while they are slowed down inside the water, their lives are over.

[hakuthehedgehog]

You're right, we can't be sure if the ink can be fired like a Suiton, since Bee never used it that way, but there is possibility it can.
If Sasuke deactivates and activates Susano'o instantly, he has to keep an eye on Bee, plus Bee could just spit ink again or try to lariat him, a distraction from Raikage is the objective right?
Sasuke shouldn't be able to use amaterasu while in the dome if Bee uses his ink in the dome: Sasuke whouldn't be able to see normally and unable to see chakra because of him being surrounded in Susano'o.

[Delbi]

You're right, we can't be sure if the ink can be fired like a Suiton, since Bee never used it that way, but there is possibility it can.
If Sasuke deactivates and activates Susano'o instantly, he has to keep an eye on Bee, plus Bee could just spit ink again or try to lariat him, a distraction from Raikage is the objective right?
Sasuke shouldn't be able to use amaterasu while in the dome if Bee uses his ink in the dome: Sasuke whouldn't be able to see normally and unable to see chakra because of him being surrounded in Susano'o.

The possibility is there, but I doubt it. In either way, I'd doubt it would stop Sasuke that much, if at all. If it fires at the rate of a suiton Sasuke would have no trouble dodging it at all.

As far as Sasuke seeing Bee or the Raikage, they are chakra monsters, they'd stick out like sore thumbs even through Sussano unlees Kisame already ripped a lot of chakra from them in which case Sasuke wouldn't need to use Ameratsu on them.

[hakuthehedgehog]

Even if they are chakra monsters, they whould be up, and Sasuke whould only see them as moving little dots in the mist of lots of chakra, which could screw aim.
There is also the possibility of Sasuke confusing them with Kisame (who is also a chakra beast and has a bit of Bee's chakra).
Sasuke dodging Bee's ink outside of Susano'o whould leave him open to Raikage's and Bee's attacks.

[Delbi]

Even if they are chakra monsters, they whould be up, and Sasuke whould only see them as moving little dots in the mist of lots of chakra, which could screw aim.
There is also the possibility of Sasuke confusing them with Kisame (who is also a chakra beast and has a bit of Bee's chakra).
Sasuke dodging Bee's ink outside of Susano'o whould leave him open to Raikage's and Bee's attacks.

How would he be open to attacks if he still has Sussano on him? It moves as fast as he does. Also, Kisame isn't going to just let them double team Sasuke.

[hakuthehedgehog]

Uh, when Susano'o moved as fast as Sasuke? I don't renember o.O

[Delbi]

Uh, when Susano'o moved as fast as Sasuke? I don't renember o.O

In every instane he's moved with it?

[hakuthehedgehog]

In every instane he's moved with it?

The user doesn't seem to able to move at high speeds when in Susano'o.
When Sasuke escaped the crumbling tunnel, he left Susano'o behind him.

[Delbi]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/479/13/ Sasuke jumps down and lands pretty fast here.

In any event, Sussano is a spiritual warrior connected to Sasuke made up of chakra. Why wouldn't it move just as fast as him? It's arms and arrows move at high speeds, so why wouldn't it be capable of moving as fast as Sasuke?

[hakuthehedgehog]

Maybe because while it is activated, the user is feeling pain and can't move as fast.
In any event, Sasuke moving means he has to keep an eye on Bee, so he can't amaterasu snipe Bee.

[Blinx-182]

Maybe because while it is activated, the user is feeling pain and can't move as fast.
Depends on how long it's activated. Susanoo otherwise doesn't affect speed.

[mattiaildivino]

the strongest tag team takes this,oh and this fight never happened ;)
kisame and bee could defeat kisame with a double lariat,while sasuke is the aim of bee's attack with the 2 swords with raiton,which are a diversion. sasuke isn't as fast as A,but susanoo let him live.A can't be taken by sasuke's attacks,and bee escaped to use the bijudam from a distant place.biju bomb should crash susanoo.and when darui and C enjoy the fights,sasuke is done for,even though they can nothing against him.

[xXan]

The only chanse Bee and Raikage got is for Raikage to charge Kisame off the bat, if he goes for Sasuke they are dead. If Raikage impales Kisame's head it would be irrelevant what happends after that.
After that its 2vs1 on Sasuke and i have to say i don't belive he can win that even if he will fight a long time and realy put up a fight. Samehada could even go to Bee to make it even more easy.

The outcome is 50/50 considering who Raikage decides to jump on at first.

PS. For me to belive Susano can run faster like Sasuke i would defenetly need evidence, what if Sasuke uses sunshin? Would Susano follow that to? As much as i am concerned i don't belive it can up to the point it actualy see it.

[mattiaildivino]

The only chanse Bee and Raikage got is for Raikage to charge Kisame off the bat, if he goes for Sasuke they are dead. If Raikage impales Kisame's head it would be irrelevant what happends after that.
After that its 2vs1 on Sasuke and i have to say i don't belive he can win that even if he will fight a long time and realy put up a fight. Samehada could even go to Bee to make it even more easy.

The outcome is 50/50 considering who Raikage decides to jump on at first.

PS. For me to belive Susano can run faster like Sasuke i would defenetly need evidence, what if Sasuke uses sunshin? Would Susano follow that to? As much as i am concerned i don't belive it can up to the point it actualy see it.
when sasuke uses susanoo is body really hurts,sasuke would be a bit tired,anyway A underwater would use his raiton to defeat kisame.