One Piece 580 Discussion / 581 Prediction

[SenninSage]

You know, I think Sengoku will be punished for allowing Shanks to take Ace and WhiteBeard's bodies. The Tenryubito may not like his allowing such a thing to take place. My prediction stands, Sengoku will become a Straw Hat Pirate in the future :)

[Fox666]

just to recap

-mihawk wont fight shanks
-akainu is too scared to say anything to shanks
-kizaru pretended put his hands up rather than take a shot from beckman
-blackbeard would rather go home than face shanks (even though he was going to take on garp/sengoku and destroy marineford)
-sengoku would rather give and AND let shanks have the bodies of ace/whitebeard than fight him
-marco does what he say

most badass character in one piece by far. damnThat's kinda of exagerated...

- Mihawk is in good terms with Shanks. He don't want to fight him.
- Akainu is pissed off. But of all characters, Akainu is the last one that would run off a fight. I suppose that if he really wanted, he would go over everyone, even if he can't win.
- Blackbeard is not interested at all. He already got the Gura Gura no Mi. He wasn't pretending to fight Sengoku to begin with.
- Sengoku said something interesting, something on this line "since it's you who is asking..." so this mean somehow he is in good terms with Shanks. (Not like I understand how Sengoku can be in good terms with a pirates)
- It would be stupid if Marco didn't. The Whitebeard pirates are running, they have nothing else to do since Ace is dead. So, it would be better for Marco, now the commander of all Whitebeard pirates, rise the white flag.

[urlaub]

There is a flaw in your argument that is not in the argument that Boa will join. Sengoku may join whatever crew, but Boa if she joins, will join only SH(amd abandon the amazon crew or something).

[dikwetz]

just to recap

-mihawk wont fight shanks
-akainu is too scared to say anything to shanks
-kizaru pretended put his hands up rather than take a shot from beckman
-blackbeard would rather go home than face shanks (even though he was going to take on garp/sengoku and destroy marineford)
-sengoku would rather give and AND let shanks have the bodies of ace/whitebeard than fight him
-marco does what he say

most badass character in one piece by far. damn
Sure, shanks IS impressive, even more than WB was, no one feared to lay his hands on WB, but it's not the same for shanks, although no big shot on the marine side has been defeated.

But i believe it's more due to respect than fear. From every side, everybody seems to be in good terms with him

Just look at Buggy who actually just yells at shanks. OK, they know each other from long ago, but same for everybody here
:amuse

[urlaub]

Yeah, I mean, you cant, in my oppinion, read anything out from Akainu's face other than anger and maybe ... cosciousness or something. I really can't read fear, envy, surprise etc. from his face. Altough the bodyly movements suggest that the is couscious or following orders and not attacking. I really cannot see that he fears Shanks??? Were do you see that?

[Bonfire01]

Sure, shanks IS impressive, even more than WB was, no one feared to lay his hands on WB, but it's not the same for shanks, although no big shot on the marine side has been defeated.

But i believe it's more due to respect than fear. From every side, everybody seems to be in good terms with him

Just look at Buggy who actually just yells at shanks. OK, they know each other from long ago, but same for everybody here
:amuse

There is another big difference between Shanks and WB when it comes to the way the marines have reacted....

WB came and attacked them to get Ace back, Shanks came and said i'll only fight you if you force me to.

On top of that the marines have taken heavy losses, Sengoku presumably doesn't have any plans for facing the red hair pirates (big DF proof wall and army of Pacifistas) and there are still WB pirates including some of the stronger ones AND the BB pirates to contend with.

If the marines keep fighting then the chances are they are going to get bloodied if not beaten and BB will sink Marineford... what would they gain out of fighting? They can further damage the WB pirates who are already broken by the loss of their captain (total waste), they can damage the BB pirates BUT unlikely they could take care of BB at the moment after his power up and the fact the marines are thinly spread (waste of time since as long as BB escapes his crew are still a massive threat) and they could damage the red hair pirates, BUT very unlikely they are killing off Shanks AND you get the impression the red hairs don't really do all that much to directly go against the marines as it is (total waste of time).

So the marines are in a no win situation if they keep fighting.

On the other hand... if Shanks and his crew barrelled in and started attacking the marines without a word i'd expect them to fight because they have no choice.

Sengoku calling off the war is the ONLY thing that makes any sense.

[superman97]

Blackbeard not wanting to fight Shanks makes me think that Shanks has no devil fruit and can't be weakened/nullified by BB's attacks.

Since both Jimbei and Boa are going to end up with Luffy in the near future, I think they are going to become Strawhats.

Fishmen are STRONG, and have the advantage when protecting fishman islands with water battles so I highly doubt Jimbei needs to be kept their for protection permanantly.

Boa Hancock is not the only one to be a Empress at Amazon Lily and someone will replace her. Her island doesn't need protection either since it is in the Calm Belt and most ships (marine included) prefer not to go there.

[OunknownO]

it's possible that that monkey is weapon that ate df(like Funkfreed and Lassou)....

EDIT:- I'm talking about the guy in RH crew with a monkey

[Taraku]

Blackbeard not wanting to fight Shanks makes me think that Shanks has no devil fruit and can't be weakened/nullified by BB's attacks.

Since both Jimbei and Boa are going to end up with Luffy in the near future, I think they are going to become Strawhats.

Fishmen are STRONG, and have the advantage when protecting fishman islands with water battles so I highly doubt Jimbei needs to be kept their for protection permanantly.

Boa Hancock is not the only one to be a Empress at Amazon Lily and someone will replace her. Her island doesn't need protection either since it is in the Calm Belt and most ships (marine included) prefer not to go there.
Jimbei is strong, far too strong he's even stronger than Luffy. And what kind of dream is protecting Luffy?
And I don't know, but I think you should reread the whole Amazon Lily arc: the marines, well actually Vegapunk, have found a way to maneuver through the Calm Belt with the use of Kairoseki.
But this doesn't have to do with the spoilers, go here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6481).

To the spoilers:
I think it's a quite good way to put an end to the war, Shanks simply kicks ass.
Wonder what Oda comes up with next, as long as it's not a "Gather all Strawhats"-arc, I'm happy with it.

[hy4k]

That's kinda of exagerated...

- Mihawk is in good terms with Shanks. He don't want to fight him.
- Akainu is pissed off. But of all characters, Akainu is the last one that would run off a fight. I suppose that if he really wanted, he would go over everyone, even if he can't win.
- Blackbeard is not interested at all. He already got the Gura Gura no Mi. He wasn't pretending to fight Sengoku to begin with.
- Sengoku said something interesting, something on this line "since it's you who is asking..." so this mean somehow he is in good terms with Shanks. (Not like I understand how Sengoku can be in good terms with a pirates)
- It would be stupid if Marco didn't. The Whitebeard pirates are running, they have nothing else to do since Ace is dead. So, it would be better for Marco, now the commander of all Whitebeard pirates, rise the white flag.

to an extent it is, mihawk wasn't scared. he's just not going to fight his buddy

as for the rest, everyone yielded to shanks and the red haired crew out of self preservation. kizaru, sengoku, blackbeard, marco everyone

it was the smart choice, because they're aparently super badass

even akainu shut his damn mouth




But i believe it's more due to respect than fear. From every side, everybody seems to be in good terms with him



i doubt akainu, kizaru or blackbeard respects him. if anything they're scared of him

as for sengoku, i dont see how he's on good terms with shanks. if anything i'd expect him to be on better terms with whitebeard as they're from the same era

he gave up because he had no choice

[Lord Rayleigh]

Fishmen are STRONG, and have the advantage when protecting fishman islands with water battles so I highly doubt Jimbei needs to be kept their for protection permanantly.
And that is probably why Fishman Island was in chaos and why the fishmen/mermaids were killed and captured before WB said it was his territory. :eyeroll

The fishmen are generally stronger than the humans but in One Piece the strongest people are the ones that travel around the world. So, the evil pirates coming on FI are probably stronger than the people living here. And about the strongest fishmen, they probably do not live on FI, but are pirates (Fisher Tiger, Jimbei).

[Duc :D]

IM Anxious about the the whole Fishmen island anyway how are human (our mugiwaras) supposed to have" an adventure" underwater. Sky Island was another case but under water.... Im almost certain FI will be designed "Atlantis"-like but thats for summer 2011 :D

spoilers: As I have said before Shanks is awesome it's a bit said that there seems no beckman, roo or yasopp action but hey whatever the only thing matters is to regather the SH soon.

[Finale]

I think Sengoku respects Shanks because the type of pirate he is. Shanks crew seems more like the type that goes around searching for buried treasure and having a good time rather than going around terrorizing innocent people. They stayed in Luffy's hometown for awhile and didnt cause any trouble.

[craziii]

Blackbeard not wanting to fight Shanks makes me think that Shanks has no devil fruit and can't be weakened/nullified by BB's attacks.

come on, please reread the beginning of the manga! I mean the very start!

how could shanks swim if he has DF? COME ON!

you don't need to think, just read!

I have always been a fan of shanks. yonkou without the need for df power and have the respect of hawkeyes.

to ppl who were like why did hawkeyes refuse, you do realize they are drinking buddies? and apparently fought each other in the past before he lost his arm to save luffy.

[Taraku]

come on, please reread the beginning of the manga! I mean the very start!

how could shanks swim if he has DF? COME ON!

you don't need to think, just read!

I have always been a fan of shanks. yonkou without the need for df power and have the respect of hawkeyes.

to ppl who were like why did hawkeyes refuse, you do realize they are drinking buddies? and apparently fought each other in the past before he lost his arm to save luffy.
Oh man, you know the very beginning of the manga, showing Shanks losing his arm while saving Luffy, is playing 10 years before the actual storyline?
And Shanks had a DF in the bar, why would he have one when he doesn't want to eat it and use its powers?
Maybe he looked for another one after Luffy ate it and does have an ability right now? We don't know yet.
For BB withdrawing, guess it's on the one hand because he likes to plan things thoroughly and doesn't want to take on Shanks as he doesn't have a plan on the other hand because Oda doesn't want to keep the war going on.

[fdbgdg]

come on, please reread the beginning of the manga! I mean the very start!

how could shanks swim if he has DF? COME ON!

you don't need to think, just read!

I have always been a fan of shanks. yonkou without the need for df power and have the respect of hawkeyes.

to ppl who were like why did hawkeyes refuse, you do realize they are drinking buddies? and apparently fought each other in the past before he lost his arm to save luffy.

hey, i heard people can change over time.

[Lord Rayleigh]

The chapter is out in spanish on MangaHelpers. It's a LQ.
http://mangahelpers.com/s/masterpiecenofansub/readonline/78498/3
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The chapter is now out on mangastream ! :D
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/1

[sarutobi_sensei]

Chapter is out on manga stream.

[Zehahaha]

Chaoter is out on manga stream.

I love you sarutobi sensei :p
Oh man, Akainu's face is so funny ! And Shanks and his crew so AWESOME !

[sarutobi_sensei]

I'm speechless.

So Boa has left after Luffy xD

And Shanks decision not to see Luffy was great too.

I was expecting more of Ben D:

Shanks apologized to Sengoku. I wonder why.

And the Marines were all like zomg we're sooooo dead xD

The cover was also nice.

Buggy's followers for the win xD

[Jammin]

What a chapter....what an arc...

Looks like both Jimbei and Boa Hancock will be following Luffy for now. Two shichibukai. Not bad at all.:D

[joyner]

I wonder if those three guys with shanks are Zoans, one that transform into a monkey(the guy with a monkey) and one transform into a dragon(the guy with a tattoo) and the last one is on the right most corner is a lion.

[sarutobi_sensei]

I just don't understand why did Sengoku and the Marines not stop Teach.

[jiminy]

Shanks at the beginning of the manga emphasized a lot on how swimming is a very useful skill. And for that reason alone is why I think that he still does not have a DF now. And along with this, I think that the top fighters of the Red Hair crew also dont have Df's, though some may.

And about how big the characters may look, it is just Oda's progress in his art style. I like how it have changed so far. And the POV of the characters may not always be consistent. Moria looked pretty gigantic when we first saw him, but now he doesnt look as big. Its just that for a lot of those scenes, we are looking at the characters from a worm's eye view and see them much larger because we are much lower.

[Lord Rayleigh]

THE WAR IS FINISHED !

I guess we'll finally see that timeskip. After this last doublepage, I can't imagine that Oda will take some chapters to show the after-war.

If there is some interaction between Luffy and Law, the timeskip will be short because Law would not lose a lot of his time (weeks or months) just to heal Luffy and wait for him to wake up.
If Hancock takes care of Luffy, it could be months and years (Hancock getting pregnant !)

Anyway, I doubt we'll see the SHs in the next chapters.

[Moogle Mango]

No OP next week. :(

What an awesome chapter! Shanks will always be one of my favorite characters! Yeah I wonder why didn't Sengoku focus everyone on BB. I am sure Shanks wouldn't care if they turned around to attack BB instead of focusing on keeping WB's and Ace's dead bodies.

[sarutobi_sensei]

THE WAR IS FINISHED !

I guess we'll finally see that timeskip. After this last doublepage, I can't imagine that Oda will take some chapters to show the after-war.

If there is some interaction between Luffy and Law, the timeskip will be short because Law would not lose a lot of his time (weeks or months) just to heal Luffy and wait for him to wake up.
If Hancock takes care of Luffy, it could be months and years (Hancock getting pregnant !)

Anyway, I doubt we'll see the SHs in the next chapters.

Imo he will take @ least one chapter showing the reactions of the people to the wars end. Maybe we'll even see the SH or something like that.

I want only for Law to take care of Luffy's life for a while, then he gets treated by Boa + Jinbei.

[Marche]

Oh man, you know the very beginning of the manga, showing Shanks losing his arm while saving Luffy, is playing 10 years before the actual storyline?
And Shanks had a DF in the bar, why would he have one when he doesn't want to eat it and use its powers?
Maybe he looked for another one after Luffy ate it and does have an ability right now? We don't know yet.
For BB withdrawing, guess it's on the one hand because he likes to plan things thoroughly and doesn't want to take on Shanks as he doesn't have a plan on the other hand because Oda doesn't want to keep the war going on.You have right, I agree with you.
And the Rufy's fruit is not the only one, there is also that of Buggy than He could ate.

[OunknownO]

question..... where are ivankov and inazuma?

[beastboy]

I'm starting to like the character of Sengoku, at first I thought he would be a bastard like Akainu, but he ended up being a man who only fights for peace, and even shows respect to the body of the dead pirates.
And seeing the chapter I understand the attitude of the marines.
They already had won, Shanks (after Coby) remembered them that if the war continued there would be only more deaths on booth (can I say booth, when there are three parties??) sides, and if anyone didn't give up they would bit them to a pulp.
Blackbeard, didn't know Sengoku's power, but he knew Shanks power, and he retreated cause of that.
Sengoku knew that they would win against shanks, but it was time to retreat and heal the wounded, and accepted shanks decision...
And if we look at his face, he doesn't seems happy, even tough he died, in my opinion, if he could, he would have avoided this war... he is a good guy on the wrong side, just like Garp, Smoker, Coby...

[Ratatosk]

oh man, WHY are people assuming Hancock's going to get pregnant? Am I missing something here?


question..... where are ivankov and inazuma?
good point.

I love how quickly Blackbeard backed down. I also like how his 'it's too early for our fight' line echoed what Shanks told Whitebeard about Ace going after BB.

Next chapter: Viking funeral (I take it they don't put pirates on gibbets in One Piece world).. or some of the straw-hats reading a newspaper (Robin's with the revolutionary army, so she at least will find out the news quickly)? or Luffy's reaction?
It will be a long 2 weeks.

[k-dom]

Tashigi, Coby and Helmeppo on the cover, that's quite a surprise. I wonder if we will have other past character next like the Baroque works.

Anyway it's can go in any direction now. Maybe the break of next week will also correspond to a the famous time skip. There is a lot of question of what will become of the main characters in particular Buggy, Crocodile and the Okama.

What I wonder too is if the marine will let the pirate recover their wounded. I would not be surprised that we see Oars Jr. again.

[Mr. Crocodile]

Well there is such a thing as respect even among enemies..so both sides allowing each other to treat and recover their wounded is not surprising.

[sarutobi_sensei]

question..... where are ivankov and inazuma?
They are there, somewhere.


Tashigi, Coby and Helmeppo on the cover, that's quite a surprise. I wonder if we will have other past character next like the Baroque works.

Anyway it's can go in any direction now. Maybe the break of next week will also correspond to a the famous time skip. There is a lot of question of what will become of the main characters in particular Buggy, Crocodile and the Okama.

What I wonder too is if the marine will let the pirate recover their wounded. I would not be surprised that we see Oars Jr. again.

Buggy will likely get a boat and sail out with that crew.

Marco will tell the remaining to go away and stuff

And the Marines will let them get their wounded, so Oars Jr, Jozu and some more will be treated.

[SenninSage]

Shanks is amazing. Literally every person there backed down from the challenge he issued.

The marines no longer want any part in this fight, BlackBeard is backing off, even the WhiteBeard pirates are heeding his words. If WhiteBeard and Shanks were on the same side, it's possible that the World Government would have been annihilated on this day.

I stand with my statement, Sengoku will become a Strawhat or may potentially be removed from his post as Fleet Admiral in shame after allowing the bodies of Ace and WhiteBeard to be taken away. The Tenryubito are brutal.

[Drmke]

I just don't understand why did Sengoku and the Marines not stop Teach.

I think because Shanks said no more fighting or he will stop them. He has shown how terrified the Marines are when in comes to the Four Emperors. This makes me wonder if Shanks's crew, as a whole, is stronger than Whitebeard's. They had no problem going against Whitebeard's crew, granted they didn't really have an option, but seem to not wanna fight with Shanks and his crew. Although, it could just be due to the fact that they have just fought a hard battle (not a war by any means Oda :notrust) so they might just be tired and know they have no chance against them at the moment.

[happy GIN smily]

i just read the chapter
and all i can say is: hmmm... at least the arc seams to be over now

i think the problem with this arc is that this war was long time announced and prepared by Oda. and everybody had allready imagined how huge and awesome this whole war would be. how cool WB and his crew and all the tough marines would be in action.

and then.... nothing... or to be fair: not much
most of those characters who were supposed to be the big players in One Piece, who were expected to kick some ass just appeard to be a lame bunch of fodders (at least to me)
all the time i was waiting for the real outpreak of the battle. and many chapters ended like: now they are getting serious. now they show their true skills
but nothing happened. after posing together on several doublepage and looking totally badass, especially the WB commanders allways failed to do something impressive. only three of them are even worth to be remembered

[dsr]

I'm starting to like the character of Sengoku, at first I thought he would be a bastard like Akainu, but he ended up being a man who only fights for peace, and even shows respect to the body of the dead pirates.
And seeing the chapter I understand the attitude of the marines.
They already had won, Shanks (after Coby) remembered them that if the war continued there would be only more deaths on booth (can I say booth, when there are three parties??) sides, and if anyone didn't give up they would bit them to a pulp.
Blackbeard, didn't know Sengoku's power, but he knew Shanks power, and he retreated cause of that.
Sengoku knew that they would win against shanks, but it was time to retreat and heal the wounded, and accepted shanks decision...
And if we look at his face, he doesn't seems happy, even tough he died, in my opinion, if he could, he would have avoided this war... he is a good guy on the wrong side, just like Garp, Smoker, Coby...



Well, Marines are not the Tenryubito or the Goryusei, so it's wrong to say that they are on the wrong side, since there are pirates like BB and many others that storm the World, not caring for innocent people

[DARK]

Way to go, Oda, for ending the war in a most unepic fashion, but at least he ended it before the acclaimed deadline.
It wasn't so much of a "war" that will go down in history as it was for Whitebeard's death. You could hardly call that a "war;" it took off quickly and there wasn't really that many casualties. True, this "war" will influence the events of the plot, but it's not like the war itself holds any real significance to history other than Whitebeard dying.

[THM Nindo]

Just one thing to say...
Shanks is even more epic that I thought!

Every single one of them comply to everything that he said!!

[Egoone]

"If there are any guys out there who still want to go wild, THEN BRING IT ON!!" - Shanks .... wow this was epicness itself :nuts

[DARK]

Just one thing to say...
Shanks is even more epic that I thought!

Every single one of them comply to everything that he said!!

As a fellow Yonkou to Whitebeard, as well as Shanks constantly showing up in his presence, it's safe to say that Shanks has a strong relationship with Whitebeard's crew.
Shanks' "epicness" would have to contribute to his status as a Yonkou; not to mention that the majority of the combatants were sick of the fighting and saw no reason to be fighting after Whitebeard died.

[Minato-sama]

Did you notice that most of the red-haired pirates like to wear cape/cloak.

[ScratchmenApoo]

You can't expect a war in the literal sense appear in a manga - That would take years to develop !
This huge battle was war enough for me. It was more of a story improval and development rather than big battles. New facts and new faces make everything better.

[fuatf90]

Way to go, Oda, for ending the war in a most unepic fashion, but at least he ended it before the acclaimed deadline.
It wasn't so much of a "war" that will go down in history as it was for Whitebeard's death. You could hardly call that a "war;" it took off quickly and there wasn't really that many casualties. True, this "war" will influence the events of the plot, but it's not like the war itself holds any real significance to history other than Whitebeard dying.

The death of Whitebeard itself is a BIG significance to history not to mention the END of Gol D. Roger's bloodline, the power that lies within Luffy and the TRUE face of the world government

[zerocooldx]

Hmm i wonder if there is any significance of Aokiji looking like he is somewhat pissed off here (http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/7). I think this may be the first time, or at least one of the very few times, that we have seen him with a very serious expression. Kizaru and Akainu seemed to be themselves in the panel but Aokiji just looked to be very much so out of character.

[Shisu]

Somehow it was lame how the three admirals got owned...
It's said that Kizaru can move at the freaking speed of light, but he didn't show us any of it.

Fail admirals.

[Zehahaha]

Somehow it was lame how the three admirals got owned...
It's said that Kizaru can move at the freaking speed of light, but he didn't show us any of it.

Fail admirals.

You're kidding right ? Admirals fail ?
May i remember you, that in this entire war, the admirals (at least Aokiji and Kizaru) didn't take ANY serious damage ? Which not the case of Marco, Jozu, Kuriel, WB, Ace... Not one of the admirals got really owned (well Akainu took some damage, but didn't seem that it was enough to shut his mouth... ), even the so called Haki users didn't manage to hurt Akainu...

I must say, the WG doesn't need some stupid ancient weapon, he already got the three admirals here :p

[Shisu]

You're kidding right ? Admirals fail ?
May i remember you, that in this entire war, the admirals (at least Aokiji and Kizaru) didn't ANY serious damage ? Which not the case of Marco, Jozu, Kuriel, WB, Ace... Not one of the admirals got really owned (well Akainu took some damage, but didn't seem that it was enough to shut his mouth... )

I must say, the WG doesn't need some stupid ancient weapon, he already got the three admirals here :p

They could have wiped out the entire freaking island if they just had
combined their strength and spammed their DF's like there's no morning...

Then noone would have been able to escape. I'm especially disappointed of Kizaru. The only one who did some significantly damage was Akainu.

[evozoku]

Hmm, the big guy with the monkey in Redhair's crew reminds me a lot of Doma, WB's pirate ally. I wonder what the significance of the monkeys are.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/551/12-13/ Bottom right corner

[Zehahaha]

They could have wiped out the entire freaking island if they just had
combined their strength and spammed their DF's like there's no morning...

Then noone would have been able escape. I'm especially disappointed of Kizaru. The only one who did some significantly damage was Akainu.

Thank god they didn't then, or else i would especially go pay a little visit to Oda and tell him to stop doing like Kubo is doing with Aizen...

Kizaru, besides kickin' and shooting lasers can't do some big damage, i mean affect a big area... Plus, the admirals can't go wild in the war, remember, they were 100000 soldiers in the island, if they just attacked the pirates like that, the marines would have suffered more casualties... It's not easy to fight at 100%, when your subordinates and allies are with you, they had to fight wisely (at least, that's what Aokiji and Kizaru were doing IMO...)

[GokuBlade]

There mature admirals. They're aren't going to spam the place when they have tough opponents that can kill them

[Shisu]

Thank god they didn't then, or else i would especially go pay a little visit to Oda and tell him to stop doing like Kubo is doing with Aizen...

Kizaru, besides kickin' and shooting lasers can't do some big damage, i mean affect a big area... Plus, the admirals can't go wild in the war, remember, they were 100000 soldiers in the island, if they just attacked the pirates like that, the marines would have suffered more casualties... It's not easy to fight at 100%, when your subordinates and allies are with you, they had to fight wisely (at least, that's what Aokiji and Kizaru were doing IMO...)

But you have to agree that Kizaru should have easily been able to give Luffy the final blow... I mean, hello, do you know what it means to travel at the speed of light?

Plotfail, though. >.>

[gold349]

great chapter, shanks is definitely the man...getting even respect from Sengoku must/has to mean/count for something.

theory, Shanks spent a year in East blue, were he met and influenced Luffy...Shanks saying he is to go north, Law coming from North blue, coming here to save Luffy without any real reason?, I have a thought/little idea that maybe Shanks met Law when young left him impression like luffy and told him about kid luffy...Luffy would do the same he knew of him IMO. Enemy/rivals...Law talks about that kinda rivalry, does it have any thing to do with Shanks? I hope it to be something like that, it would be so cool for 2 to be influenced to compete for One piece/PK, Shanks rays of future hope.

[beastboy]

Wait, FAIL ADMIRALS O_O.
Are you talking about the admirals who owned Ace, Jozz and Marco
Are you talking about the admirals who put a hole on Moto-Ouka Shichibukai Jinbei??
Are you talking about the admirals who putt a hole in the single person they let escape?
Are you talking about the admirals who made WB's body look like a cheese cake, including is skull?
I guess we're seeing different mangas!

[Jorge D. Dragon]

For the God's sake the War has ended. I like the chapter, though it wasn'nt really that epic, but we got really funny moments as those quarrels between Shanks and Buggy. And also the moment with strawhat. Though I was hungry to see the action with Red-haired Pirates, but this is also good end of the War.


They could have wiped out the entire freaking island if they just had
combined their strength and spammed their DF's like there's no morning...
Deffinetly! I can totally agree with you. Oda really shown us the power of the Ultimate Marine force, though I expected more from Kizaru. And I really wanted some more Garp action.

[Lord Rayleigh]

question..... where are ivankov and inazuma?
The last time we saw them they took somehow a magma punch from Akainu. They will probably survive and I guess the Newkama will take care of their body.

And stop saying this arc is bad ! Oda managed to show us this big war with a good storyline and was able to surprise us EACH week : remember, EACH time we saw the end of the chapter, we were " I can't wait for the next chapter to know what will happen. "

To me, the main reason why the fights are not as awesome as the usual ones is because there is not the SH involved here. Anyway, they are still good and well drawn.

[beastboy]

But you have to agree that Kizaru should have easily been able to give Luffy the final blow... I mean, hello, do you know what it means to travel at the speed of light?

Plotfail, though. >.>

Wow, where did you see that
Kizaru can Kick and punch at the speed of light, but he clearly can't travell at the speed of light, otherwise, why would he need of YNK??

Aokiji was pretty much owning everyone who faced him, with is usual careless expression!

Akainu went wild as much as he liked until is fist met Aka Gami's sword..

And yes, the only fail of this arc was that there were no Strawhats..
Buggy is lame when compared to USOPP SAMA...
WB is GAR, but I still missed Zoro..
And where were the hot girls... Only Boa Hancock.. and she is HOT, but Nami and Robin would be a nice addiction..

Anyway great arc...

[Jorge D. Dragon]

And stop saying this arc is bad ! Oda managed to show us this big war with a good storyline and was able to surprise us EACH week : remember, EACH time we saw the end of the chapter, we were " I can't wait for the next chapter to know what will happen. "
Totally agree with you.:) This arc is great, because we had some badass action from mayjor characters, though WB Pirates failed a bit. But WB himself, Luffy, Shanks, Haoshuku Haki on Luffy's side, Koby, BB... there were plenty of really great moments!

[Shisu]

Wow, where did you see that
Kizaru can Kick and punch at the speed of light, but he clearly can't travell at the speed of light, otherwise, why would he need of YNK??

Aokiji was pretty much owning everyone who faced him, with is usual careless expression!

Akainu went wild as much as he liked until is fist met Aka Gami's sword..

And yes, the only fail of this arc was that there were no Strawhats..
Buggy is lame when compared to USOPP SAMA...
WB is GAR, but I still missed Zoro..
And where were the hot girls... Only Boa Hancock.. and she is HOT, but Nami and Robin would be a nice addiction..

Anyway great arc...


rtfm.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Pika_Pika_no_Mi

[evozoku]

Wait, FAIL ADMIRALS O_O.
Are you talking about the admirals who owned Ace, Jozz and Marco
Are you talking about the admirals who put a hole on Moto-Ouka Shichibukai Jinbei??
Are you talking about the admirals who putt a hole in the single person they let escape?
Are you talking about the admirals who made WB's body look like a cheese cake, including is skull?
I guess we're seeing different mangas!

I would say everyone except Akainu failed. The most powerful people in all of one piece are gathered in one place, and we see very little action. WB sat out half the battle, we saw WB's commanders do next to nothing (in terms of ability), Garp failed to do anything, Sengoku didn't use any of his real power until BB went on a rampage. Aokiji and Kizaru mostly made feeble attempts at attacks. We really didn't see much from the Shichibukai. And now with Shanks showing up, we don't even get to see their strength. Hell, even when Aokiji and Kizaru attack the sub we don't see any of them step in. Ben Beckman should have been able to take that shot on Kizaru.

Now I'm not saying that most of these characters did nothing. I'm sure a lot of those WB pirates, shichibukai, and even the admirals took out a lot of marines that we didn't see. But as a reader, I wanted to actually see it! After Oda hinted for how long about how strong these guys are, he could have indulged his readers and SHOWN us. Now, unless the Strawhat pirates begins encountering and taking out these other pirates and marines one by one, we may never see what they're capable of.

[OunknownO]

I think this is how the things will go down....

Luffy is going to get back to Sabaody Archipelago, where he will train under rayglieh how to master haki and he will train unitl other mugiwaras come to Sabaody Archipelago and that time will be the time skip, and all mugiwaras gather.. they will go on coated sunny and go to fishman island where they will get the last mugiwara.

Sounds probable..... right?

PS. this arc was awesome

[Zehahaha]

rtfm.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Pika_Pika_no_Mi

You know that this website, with all my respect to it, is made by fans, and anyone can edit what's writing there and write complete bullshit and no one would notice... It's not really the best source of info

[Dark Doc.]

Awesome end of an even more awesome arc:blink
OMG Shanks + crew raised the bar for the next epic groupshot:o
And a great "save the Strawhat" move :amuse

also have to like the fact that Sengoku isn't a complete douche but has some sense of honor.

Sucks there will be no OP next week, but hey, even Oda has to rest from writing such an insanely epic arc:p
Wonder if he can keep the greatness up even with the war being over...but I have faith in the great Oda ;)

Next chapter...War victim funeral, then timeskip

(and yes, I use to much smileys)

[Shisu]

You know that this website, with all my respect to it, is made by fans, and anyone can edit what's writing there and write complete bullshit and no one would notice... It's not really the best source of info

Then... how about you show me where it says he can't move at the speed of light? :eyeroll

[DARK]

Somehow it was lame how the three admirals got owned...
It's said that Kizaru can move at the freaking speed of light, but he didn't show us any of it.

Fail admirals.

Oda is gradually downplaying the strength of the Admirals as the arc continues. All three of them present on the battlefield and they still have the disadvantage. True, I don't expect them to defeat the likes of Yonkou like Shanks or Whitebeard. As of the previous arc, the Admirals remained undefeated. Kizaru alone defeated four Supernova and incapicitated two others back at Shaboudy.
Now, it seems as if the Admirals can't even defeat the crews of these Yonkou. While it is true that Marco, Vista, among others have Haki, they are still able to do crippling damage against the Admirals through each encounter. What's disappointing to me is that the Admirals are actually working together to snatch Luffy, with little opposition, and still fail to even get past the submarine that he is in.
Just goes to show that the World Government's power is feeble compared to the likes of pirates such as Blackbeard, Shanks, Whitebeard, and their crews. Sengoku immediately ended the fight because Shanks told him too. What ever happened to holding your ground?

[Mr. Crocodile]

But you have to agree that Kizaru should have easily been able to give Luffy the final blow... I mean, hello, do you know what it means to travel at the speed of light?

Plotfail, though. >.>

Come on dude, after your first argument about the admirals being owned by others is crushed by someone, you turn to an even crappier argument, being able to move at the speed of light and call it a plotfail..think about it for a second..even though that is his power, he must have some sort of limitation for the sake of the manga, or he could just travel 3million miles per second just like light does and one shot every single pirate in the world of one piece, that should make things easier for the marines don't you think? go to town man, go to town!!

[Zehahaha]

Then... how about you show me where it says he can't move at the speed of light? :eyeroll

It was never said that he CAN move at the speed of light dude, and it was never said that he CAN'T move at the speed of light... There's no comment on his speed in the manga to begin with... People assume since he ate the Pika Pika no Mi, he can move at the speed of light.

The only thing that it was said about the speed of light, when Kizaru kicked Hawkins, where he said " Have you ever been kicked at the speed of light ? ", and still that doesn't mean that he can move at the speed of light, or should i say, not until he completely turns into light

@ DARK : Can't agree with you on this, even Haki users couldn't manage to hurt Akainu (Marco and Vista), sure Oda is downplaying them, but still, it was a shock to me that only Akainu got hurt in this war (and still, that wasn't enough to stop the bastard, he's been chasing after Luffy as if he didn't take any damage)... Compared to other Logia users ( Crocoboy, Smokey... ), even Haki wasn't that good against them ( look at the damage that Jozu has done to Croco, and compare it to the damage that he did to Aokiji )

[Mr. Crocodile]

Then... how about you show me where it says he can't move at the speed of light? :eyeroll

Here I think you can do this yourself too..just go to link you gave us and press the edit button..and then you substitute "enables" for "does not enable" and voila! see how easy that was?

[BetaRuler]

I think what Oda always emphasizes is the GUTS each fighter has, rather than what powers they use, you can go back to dialogue between Sanji and Chef Zeff to remind yourselves about that... The abilities the Admirals have don't instantly make them invincible, for even if Oda hadn't made Kizaru a light man, he'd still be that powerful, and the same for the other 2, they could have got Zoan powers for all we care but they'd still be just as strong.

[Moses911]

VERY IMPORTANT:
Did you guys notice that shanks had eight crew members around him when he vowed to end the war? See any similarities? I predict that there will be many more members in the straw hat crew but there will be only the 9 core members(including luffy) as the leaders/ officers.

[beastboy]

rtfm.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Pika_Pika_no_Mi
There's a old saying:
Never trust a wiki..
Even the best wiki is fan made, its not the autor who writes the wiki you know


I would say everyone except Akainu failed. The most powerful people in all of one piece are gathered in one place, and we see very little action. WB sat out half the battle, we saw WB's commanders do next to nothing (in terms of ability), Garp failed to do anything, Sengoku didn't use any of his real power until BB went on a rampage. Aokiji and Kizaru mostly made feeble attempts at attacks. We really didn't see much from the Shichibukai. And now with Shanks showing up, we don't even get to see their strength. Hell, even when Aokiji and Kizaru attack the sub we don't see any of them step in. Ben Beckman should have been able to take that shot on Kizaru.
Well as I like to say:
In an even battle, no one seems strong, cause they even things out :)



Now I'm not saying that most of these characters did nothing. I'm sure a lot of those WB pirates, shichibukai, and even the admirals took out a lot of marines that we didn't see. But as a reader, I wanted to actually see it! After Oda hinted for how long about how strong these guys are, he could have indulged his readers and SHOWN us. Now, unless the Strawhat pirates begins encountering and taking out these other pirates and marines one by one, we may never see what they're capable of.

Me 2, but then you (or other people) would say that this arc took to long to finish :3

[TonyTonyChopper]

Even Shanks knew about BB's split identity... uhh.. awesome chapter, finally the war ends

[Vetinari clone]

and still that doesn't mean that he can move at the speed of light, or should i say, not until he completely turns into light


Right, from what I have seen he can move at the speed of light, once he turns into light, but that takes a few seconds so it's not all that useful in battle. I like how there are limitations on the logia fruit, completely arbitrary limitations but limitations nonetheless. Almost all of Kizaru's attacks are like... ah that lazer weapon thingy in halo, the one that charges up and then fires, and you just have to keep your aim on the person while it does that, he can also only fire and move in strait lines. It makes him not be the all-powerful demigod he could be, ya know?

[timzzzzz]

wait.. blackbeard has split personalities??!?!?!

[Zehahaha]

wait.. blackbeard has split personalities??!?!?!

It's just an assumption, we don't know if he have split personalities, or a little monster at his belly, or any other crappy stuff...

[Lord Rayleigh]

You know that this website, with all my respect to it, is made by fans, and anyone can edit what's writing there and write complete bullshit and no one would notice... It's not really the best source of info
You can even see that on this page with their analysis about Rayleigh saving Zoro from Kizaru. :p

[Black Lagoon]

I don't care about those who say the chapter is boring or isn't as interesting as the previous ones. -_-;
To me the chapter is brilliant and page 8 is "just" epic
"if there are any guys out there who still want to go wild, then BRING IT ON ..!! and we'll take care of every single one of you"

:shakefist Redhair's Pirates ARE SO COOL...FTW...they are the real DEAL :shakefist

[Minato-sama]

character identification of red hair pirates

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/817/identityh.th.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/identityh.jpg/)

Hey the really good picture to compare the younger version with the older version
But you seem to miss one person
The really big guy in the top left with the dragon tattoo and wearing glass is the same guy as the bottom right with the glass , a snake tattoo in his arm and also holding a sword

[Esg876]

IMO Kizaru can move at the speed of light HOWEVER he has to do that mirror thing he did a while back. However it isnt exactly super fast to set up and he leaves himself defenseless while doing it and im assuming any haki hit can disrupt the entire thing, not really a great skill to use when your surrounded by haki users and having to bounce around and not being able to travel in a straight line gives them more time to stop you too... and I sure wouldent want to be trapped beside WB + his commanders

[gh0un]

why are you dissapointed? sengoku is supposed too be a master tactician

could you tell me the logic in taking on the red hairs on top of blackbeard and the wb pirates?

Thats absolutely right. They would lose, thus they dont fight.
Why doesnt shanks just annihilate them right here right now?

Everyone here is bragging about that sengoku doesnt have a plan against the red hair pirates and that they are already weakened, but no one seems to grasp that this is exactly the moment where the red hair pirates could annihilate the marines.
If they cant, then the marines would still fight, if they dont fight, this means there is a chance they will get utterly destroyed.

Its a copout out of the war, nothing else if you ask me.

[Gats]

Thats absolutely right. They would lose, thus they dont fight.

Why doesnt shanks just annihilate them right here right now?

Why would Shanks kill them all ? Because they are "Marines" ? He is not Aikanu.

[hy4k]

Thats absolutely right. They would lose, thus they dont fight.

Why doesnt shanks just annihilate them right here right now?

i'm guessing he wants to give the whitebeard pirates an out. they were hit pretty bad

plus it'd be a pretty brutal fight, especially with the blackbeard pirates there and there's no guarantee he'd get ace and whitebeards body back in one piece.

i bet he would have still tore shit up if the marines and BB hadn't backed off, but both sengoku and BB are smart so they did

[bittman]

Thats absolutely right. They would lose, thus they dont fight.
Why doesnt shanks just annihilate them right here right now?

Everyone here is bragging about that sengoku doesnt have a plan against the red hair pirates and that they are already weakened, but no one seems to grasp that this is exactly the moment where the red hair pirates could annihilate the marines.
If they cant, then the marines would still fight, if they dont fight, this means there is a chance they will get utterly destroyed.

Its a copout out of the war, nothing else if you ask me.

So red haired pirates > 3 (5) admirals + BB pirates? That's a stretch of the imagination.

At best Shanks would be on par with, or just above, one admiral.

And if RH really declared war, Sengoku could probably bring the Shichibukai back into it...not that they've done anything useful in this war...

EDIT: Though yeah, the ending of the war is a bit of a cop out.

[Bonfire01]

Thats absolutely right. They would lose, thus they dont fight.
Why doesnt shanks just annihilate them right here right now?

Everyone here is bragging about that sengoku doesnt have a plan against the red hair pirates and that they are already weakened, but no one seems to grasp that this is exactly the moment where the red hair pirates could annihilate the marines.
If they cant, then the marines would still fight, if they dont fight, this means there is a chance they will get utterly destroyed.

Its a copout out of the war, nothing else if you ask me.

Shanks isn't a warmonger or some kind of pirate avenger. The WHOLE MANGA is based around the philosophies of Shanks as a pirate and how Luffy looked up to him and set out to become a pirate like him.

Shanks has been pitched as a happy go lucky character who will only get serious and fight if someone forces him to by threatening something he cares about.

As such what possible reason does he have to try and kill all those marines? It's too late to help Ace or WB, Luffy has got away and Sengoku is willing to withdraw. If he starts whiping out the marines then he would just destroy all order and leave defenceless civilians open to the attacks of less scrupulous pirates (of which there are plenty).

He has a different world view to the marines but I don't see why he would hate them or want to annihilate them...

If the marines had refused to withdraw then he'd have fought, if the marines had attempted to stop him taking Ace and WB's bodies he might have fought, otherwise he probably wants to bury the fallen and get back to drinking Sake.....
[hr]

So red haired pirates > 3 (5) admirals + BB pirates? That's a stretch of the imagination.

At best Shanks would be on par with, or just above, one admiral.

And if RH really declared war, Sengoku could probably bring the Shichibukai back into it...not that they've done anything useful in this war...

EDIT: Though yeah, the ending of the war is a bit of a cop out.

More like red hair pirates (fresh into the fight) > tired out and in akainu's case damaged admirals and ditto BB pirates.

At best Shanks is as powerful as WB (or possibly more since he isn't ill) and it takes a ruddy great army and a cheap shot off an ally to kill him.

If RH did declare war Mihawk doesn't care, Boa is chasing after Luffy, BB isn't a shib, Jimbei isn't a shib, Do Flamingo doesn't really care and Moria is (Apparently now) as close to fodder as a shib gets :).

So Sengoku can rely on a single shib because he's now mindless, the remaining pasafista, one fairly well damaged Admiral, 2 tired out admirals who apparently unleashed attacks then had nothing left to chase Luffy, himself and Garp and whatever VAs and fodder are left in whatever state they are left in.

Against him would be the red hair pirates... the crew of a YONKAI.... so they should be collectively roughly as powerful as all the WB pirates (which required more marines than are left standing to take on), the remaining WB pirates including a fair number of their commanders and whatever the BB pirates fancy doing (more likely they'll go after marines than pirates, or just keep being indescriminate).

IMO the ending of the war was well done. The events make sense and it didn't drag out after Luffy departed. I'm not really sure what people wanted from the end of this war? Did you want Oda to kill off all those credible threats to or allies of Luffy for the end of the manga? Did you want a faction totally whiped out messing up half of Oda's work on back story and characterisation? The mind boggles....

[bittman]

IMO the ending of the war was well done. The events make sense and it didn't drag out after Luffy departed. I'm not really sure what people wanted from the end of this war? Did you want Oda to kill off all those credible threats to or allies of Luffy for the end of the manga? Did you want a faction totally whiped out messing up half of Oda's work on back story and characterisation? The mind boggles....

I wanted character development.

Let's review any sort of emotion you felt anywhere in this manga:
Epic emotions for WB
Sadness for Ace (not a lot)
Sadness for WB (not a lot)
Hatred for Akainu (a lot)

And that's about it. I should be feeling all this sort of shit in about one chapter of One Piece, plus a range of other emotions. The further the war dragged on, the more it was just cameo shots of characters and thus it became far more impossible to even care about any character actually in battle.

If you don't believe it wasn't just a bunch of cameos, how many pages of this chapter were shots of characters doing nothing? There were like 2 pages of people standing around in this one without excuse, and if I broke it up more the rest of it minus some chatter by Shanks, Sengoku and BB, was further cameos.

The whole war has been cameos unless your name was Whitebeard or Luffy. The focus on these two characters was good, everyone else could have disappeared and the story would not have changed.

So that's where my rage comes from. Overall plot: this arc was big. Character development: almost non existant except for about 4 cases. Compare that to a "smaller arc" like Impel Down, and we had a ton of character development for all the little people.

I still cry more for Bon Clay than WB or Ace combined. I think that sums up the war.

[BlackHair]

Bittman you are asking too much. Oda can't focus on his character since he needs them for later arcs. We will get our character development later. Rather than be disappointed we should be happy (well I am) to have seen this much. I can't name any other author who put tons of his character in one single arc, beside the last arc of a manga.

I don't care about Ace and I give a crap about Bon Clay, but WB's last moment was EPIC.

Anyway, I will post my thoughts in a different thread, not wishing it to be buried in the spoiler discussion thread.

[jimm120]

The way I see the power levels are:

1-Sengoku
2-The Yonkou
3-The Admirals
4-The Shichubaki
4-The Whitebeard Captains/Main Yonkou characters
5-New World Captains
6-Everyone else.

So, yeah, the WB captains weren't able to do much against the Admirals, because really, the Admirals are at a level not easily reached.

Sengoku and the Yonkous can probably duke it out but no clear winner (mind you, I'm talking about individual fights).

The Admirals can spare off against everyone, sans the Yonkous. As seen, they were able to fend off pretty much everyone but Whitebeard. When Whitebeard came into the picture, even though he was already ill and gravely hurt, Akainu was still getting his ass handed to him. So, the Yonkou are pretty much the ONLY ones above the Admirals. Everyone else was easily disposed of.

The WB captains are insanely strong. Stronger than New world captains. Some of them, at least. But they weren't really able to do much to the Admirals. They were but just a minor disturbance...enough that they have to somewhat evade but not much. Look at how Luffy faired against the admirals. He couldn't do anything but run. The WB captains? Not so much. They managed to block, and pester the admirals.


So no, I think this "war " did a good job at showing the power level differences.

Sengoku and the 4 Yonkou are on top.
the Admirals can't really be defeated by anyone else aside for these.
the WB captains faired well and at least able to defend and slightly attack the Admirals.
The Shichibuki can fair well, but are around this level also.

Sorry, but Oda did a great job demonstrating who is who in this "war". he showed the different levels (without having to "give up" all of that characters secrets) and "categories" or tiers which Luffy has to somehow climb to get to the top.

Sengoku/Yonkous
Admirals
Shicubaki/WB Captains/Main guys from other Yonkou
New World captains
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Luffy
[hr]

Thats absolutely right. They would lose, thus they dont fight.
Why doesnt shanks just annihilate them right here right now?

Everyone here is bragging about that sengoku doesnt have a plan against the red hair pirates and that they are already weakened, but no one seems to grasp that this is exactly the moment where the red hair pirates could annihilate the marines.
a copout out of the war, nothing else if you ask me.

Because there is a balance out there.

Marines aren't the bad guys. Just certain individuals, its creation, and some practices...but in the end, the Marines are a "force for good" and they still carry out a lot of things which help the "world" function better.

Remember, the Marines wanted to "preserve" the balance that there was but felt they needed to sieze the opportunity to get WB out of the picture...but even they felt that it was a big risk doing this.

[beastboy]

Well Bittman, Oda might have noticed that, and thats why we're going to have a funeral... remember the last One Piece funeral??
I hope Luffy wakes up soon enough to go and listen to it...

[-Ren Boy-]

Firstly a chapter of 13 pages and scanlators making Shanks crosseyed oh the horror
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/8

[BlackHair]

The way I see the power levels are:

1-Sengoku
2-The Yonkou
3-The Admirals
4-The Shichubaki
4-The Whitebeard Captains/Main Yonkou characters
5-New World Captains
6-Everyone else.If anything this war has shown us, then that individuals can't be judged based on their ranks. Actually that should have clear been even before the start of the arc. That said, Im disagreeing with ur list. A Shichi such as Mwk or Flamingo should be also able to fight a Admiral/Yonko equally, if not beat them. While trashes like Gecko would be better off fighting Coby.

[SuperShuter]

Even if Kizura can move at the speed of light he still has normal FLEXESS cmon weve seen he can do a straight kick or use lazer beems but he can't fight at speed of light and when moving he can't attack and the movement is limited.

Overal I think the war was good but going down as 1 of the biggest wars in history the showdowns we saw so many of should have resulted in atleast defeats not even deaths I mean like how these characters were fighting then just disapearing thats the only complaint I know the main purpose was just with ace and luffy and the new era

[Gcat88]

One i dont think SenGoku is the strongest person in the world.
Two i dont care if that was 13 pages it was amazing.
Three Shanks proved that he has enough power to make the entire world stop
Four RED HAIR PIRATES ARE AWESOME!!!!

[bittman]

Bittman you are asking too much. Oda can't focus on his character since he needs them for later arcs. We will get our character development later. Rather than be disappointed we should be happy (well I am) to have seen this much. I can't name any other author who put tons of his character in one single arc, beside the last arc of a manga.

I don't care about Ace and I give a crap about Bon Clay, but WB's last moment was EPIC.

Anyway, I will post my thoughts in a different thread, not wishing it to be buried in the spoiler discussion thread.

Yeah you're probably right, I expect too much of One Piece.

But still, saving a character for a later arc doesn't mean he can't develop them now. Akainu and Doflamingo got a little development, but people like Garp who had the chance to develop a lot were far too obviously held back.

I guess my point is more the war focused on a lot of nothing that could have been better spent on furthering these characters for later arcs, or even improving the quality of emotion for Ace (whose death was quickly overshadowed by WB's, even though Ace should have been more dramatic).

But yeah, can't deny there were a ton of characters here and that they often had to go flat out missing (Kizaru vanished a lot, Joz vanished early) for even a tiny bit of focus on others. But like I said, it felt like Oda overreached by throwing so many characters in. He could have easily flat out removed the Shichibukai if Hancock and Jimbei weren't such obvious plot devices. But I digress on that point.

Think of Enies Lobby, though Luffy started fighting Lucchi early, the focus was drawn to other fights before returning to that. There was "just enough" jumping around to keep a flow and see characters develop (even Strawhat's who Oda doesn't just "save" for later arcs, but are in every single "later arc"). Instead here we saw 1 page battles all over the war and all it needed was some sort of shaky camera to make it feel complete.

And still not sure if I'd rate Sengoku above any of the admirals. They're all quite powerful really. Garp was disappointing here though.

And yeah, as said earlier the Shichibukai don't have a "level". Moria and Croc would lose to many new world pirates, but Mihawk and Doflamingo came out of this without a scratch.

[Bonfire01]

Bittman.... I think the war was probably more of a recap than a climax. At the moment we are at roughly the midway point of the manga (presumably) and exactly at the midway point of the grand line.

The war served to show us where Luffy lies in the grand scheme of things and how lots of the major powerbrokers in one piece relate to each other.

It gives Oda lots of plot devices and room for character development although I agree characters didn't get all that developed during the war.

I think it does a good job of setting up the rest of the manga and in later arcs where we meet some of those characters again it gives Oda a basis and plot hooks to develop those characters.

We might find that there is a lot of clever foreshadowing in this war. The only trouble is we won't know til we get to it. So it might turn out to be an excellent part of the overall development of a lot of characters (or might just make for some spectacular anime and bit a bit light on character dev, hard to know).

[tiberiuscg]

Anyone who started reading the manga after #300s sure is reading from the very start to understand wtf is happening.

[Vetinari clone]

Yeah you're probably right, I expect too much of One Piece.

But still, saving a character for a later arc doesn't mean he can't develop them now. Akainu and Doflamingo got a little development, but people like Garp who had the chance to develop a lot were far too obviously held back.

I guess my point is more the war focused on a lot of nothing that could have been better spent on furthering these characters for later arcs, or even improving the quality of emotion for Ace (whose death was quickly overshadowed by WB's, even though Ace should have been more dramatic).

But yeah, can't deny there were a ton of characters here and that they often had to go flat out missing (Kizaru vanished a lot, Joz vanished early) for even a tiny bit of focus on others. But like I said, it felt like Oda overreached by throwing so many characters in. He could have easily flat out removed the Shichibukai if Hancock and Jimbei weren't such obvious plot devices. But I digress on that point.

Think of Enies Lobby, though Luffy started fighting Lucchi early, the focus was drawn to other fights before returning to that. There was "just enough" jumping around to keep a flow and see characters develop (even Strawhat's who Oda doesn't just "save" for later arcs, but are in every single "later arc"). Instead here we saw 1 page battles all over the war and all it needed was some sort of shaky camera to make it feel complete.

And still not sure if I'd rate Sengoku above any of the admirals. They're all quite powerful really. Garp was disappointing here though.

And yeah, as said earlier the Shichibukai don't have a "level". Moria and Croc would lose to many new world pirates, but Mihawk and Doflamingo came out of this without a scratch.


Am I the only one who didn't think Ace's death was overshadowed by WB's, I thought that they more - hmm - complemented each other, like pie and ice cream (actualy I don't like pie and ice cream together but I know most people do and since I have a pie in the oven now the analogy came to mind). I dunno, that's just how I felt.

Also a lot of people find a lot of the character's performances disappointing, this has kinda been a theme these last couple of chapter discussions. I don't know what I can really say to this except that perhaps your expectation of what a war would be like were somewhat strange. Not everyone was really all that enthusiastic about it, not everyone felt the need to go all out and trash the entire island, peoples powers and abilities are not set in stone what and how they do in a one on one fight isn't always going to be the same as in a war. I think what Oda was trying to do was make the war more about the tactics each side used and less about individual strength, more about the results of the war and less on how those results happened but that's just the way I saw it.

[slippy]

i agree with bonfire and bittman. but in the end, i still feel a little let down. the arc felt like a slew of cameos after a while and just lost its appeal. i didnt mind it up to when blackbeard showed up but whatever. maybe Oda will round off the arc better

[tiberiuscg]

naruto, bleach and one piece reach a kind of climax this week, MAYBE shonen jump set some kind of deadline here.

[shluffy]

WOW! We really see Shanks' power here. Sure we don't see him fight, but we see that just his presence is enough to end the war. I'm hoping to see arcs revolving around Luffy's crew next.

[Shiro-kun]

Im not really particularity interested in a entire arc revolving around every sh member trying to get back to Shabody Isle's.

Its time to move the plot foward , i want a reunion between the SH quicker and much more emotional than just staggering by

[shluffy]

Im not really particularity interested in a entire arc revolving around every sh member trying to get back to Shabody Isle's.

Its time to move the plot foward , i want a reunion between the SH quicker and much more emotional than just staggering by

True, but I thought that there was a reason Oda showed us where everyone was at.

BTW this picture is too freaking AWESOME! http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/10

[Poneglyph420]

Ah well a big sigh of relief at the end of the war...
So WB took on the Marines to save Ace and failed completely. Both him and Ace IMO have carved their names in Pirate history for their pride, courage, and mostly sacrifice. WB pretty much proved he was a man among men, and a monster. Ace on the other hand only proved to be a martyr in the end, like he was truly born to die for Luffy.. Well I used to like Ace since back in Arabasta.. what a shame..

In the end the Marines show up and mostly win.
Ok they won the war, killed 2/3 of their primary targets, and showed their true power. Sengoku the great Daibutsu, yeah he's got hell to pay for this war. Even with the Death of WB and Ace, the marines rampaged and lost their composure..
It will be interesting to see of any restructuring is done. But Mostly they win because the Shichibukai are pretty much tattered and broken now, it will take time to restructure them, if they keep them?? And BB. Well the marines sure this mess this one up. They failed to contain him, and allowed him to perform whatever he did to steal WB's Gura power. Then in this chapter they are leisurely walking away..
Yeah IMO Marines, you done messed up...

Otherwise is was cut and chop warfare. It was indeed cameo riddled and stretched plot wise.
But coming on here and seeing the mass adoration has been in some ways inspiring..
Because it's gonna get freaking crazy here on.

It seemed like a "WB passes the torch to Luffy" arc.
But to put it best it was epic, zany and over the top...
Seems to me Oda loosened his tie and just had fun with this arc, a battle royale pretty much.


I was however glad to see the action and the revelation of so much new info. About the past and now.
Looks like from here we could have a post war arc that wraps it all up, it will be cool to see.
But it did seem forced and contrived at times, not bad but not the best writing Oda has done..

I really just want the SH back and let's get on with it....

Phew..

Now what's the "new era"???

[TonyTonyChopper]

I really just want the SH back and let's get on with it....

Agreed, but no OP for next week... huh.. I'm so sad... :(

[hy4k]

one thing i'm very glad about is that they've retained the mystery surrounding shanks. one of the best things about one piece is that oda keeps people like shanks and dragon at the sidelines

that'll make it so much more amazing when we finally see what these guys were capable of. shanks has to be one of the toughest guys in the world now (if not the toughest). hell if the wb pirates join him he'll be unstoppable

[SenninSage]

Be on the lookout for Marco and that crew to become stronger than ever after this event. Don't expect them to go away quietly at all.

[jokey]

omg...hahaha..shanks stopped the war with just his presence... and he's bossing everyone around...hahaha... this is the funniest chapter ever... and everyone's just following his orders...hahaha even sengoku...

but garp looks pissed off at him though...

but still the respect they have for shanks... even mihawk doesnt want to fight against shanks...

and it's nice to see that even being a yonkou shanks still respect buggy as his old nakawa even if buggy is not even near to yonkou level...

[vanderag]

Many people are complaining that this arc was in some way bad. I understand that you are entitled to ur opinion bt here are some reaons why the arc was good.

Characters like Marco who has huge potentiel and Akainu who will definitly fight Luffy one day are good products of the war. Oda has developed new plotlines for each character and the reintroduction of old characters makes them have new stroylines as well such as crocodile and Buggy. I would give character development an 9/10 because of this. (Garp and Sengoku were a little dissapointing though):) This overshadows the cameos arguement when really these cameos develope the plot very well.

The deaths of Whitebeard and Ace are also debated as bad. In my opinion they were EPIC. Ace has given Luffy that extra mile to fight for and Whitebeard has started a new era. 10/10

BlackBeard getting his devil fruit. This is possibly the worst part of this arc IMO. Blackbeard is now very powerful however I'm quite dissapointed that we didn't get an explaination as to why he got WB's DF. Im sure Oda doesn't even no himself quite yet and I have faith in him to make BlackBeard turn out to be a well balanced villian. 7/10 (May go down if dnt get good explanation but that could take years):tem

Admirals being not powerful is rubbish. They have proved to be very powerful. Oda is telling a story and just because the admirals don't end up wiping out every man and his dog doesn't mean they are not powerful. Admiral developement 10/10.

Finally the ending of the arc. I thought this was a great way to end the arc. Shanks seems in top condition with his powerful crew to fight him would be suicide for the marines who have already sustained heavy losses. Sengoku is bargaining well and all he wants is to rebuild the marines as a good force of justice to the world. They don't need Whitebeard and Ace's bodys and Sengoku seems to hold respect for Shanks. Arc ending 10/10

Sorry for long post just claryfying the epicness of this arc to ppl who have their suspicions about it.:D

[jojophile]

This arc of the whole war is more of a "luffy witnessing the full extent of how far the World government would go to illegalize and eliminate the identity of pirates arc..," and less of a settlement for a conflict between the WG and a Youkon.

Ace set the prime example, for Luffy to experience 1st hand, how less 'Freedom' pirates really possess travelling around the whole sea. If you put Ace's death back into the whole chain of events all the way back to Black Beard learning about the existence of the Darkness
Fruit, I'll say Ace's Death 'make sense' because the whole 'chain of event' meant for the this to happen: A powerful and unknown devil power, and most importantly the pirates' limited understanding of what One Piece really is about, caused Black Beard to mistake OP as the ultimate price - the Identity of purpose of being a pirate, right? This notion of BB conflicted from the start with that of White Beard - which we eventually being told as Family. It's because of this conflict that quickly eroded and decended the whole unity of the White Beard pirates into almost nothingness....
Ace's death means that (I'm still leaving room that he'll be resurrected :) ) pirates got no place to stay legally on the sea. That is, for me, why he turned back to face Akainu, Akainu during that time is denying WB's ID, something that Ace felt WB deserves among his upcoming death. Red Hair stopped the war successfully simply because WG can't possibly eliminate all pirates, (at least not till Vegapunk 's perfection of the Devil Fruit tech. thing and the unknown Pluton weapon..).

[TheMoa]

Finally the arc has come to a end... I loved it, but i was a little tired in the later chapters.

I think Shanks showed how powerfull he is, ending the war just with words(of threat lol).


But now, i just can't believe that i'll have to wait two weeks for the next chapter... i might die in thiis time... rsrs

[SenninSage]

I stand by what I said before, Sengoku may potentially pay a heavy price for

#1 Luffy's escape after what he did to the Tenryubito
#2 Ace and WhiteBeard's bodies not being claimed by the World Government, but being handed over to a pirate, seemingly undermining the power of the World Government in front of possibly millions watching from around the world.

[superman97]

True, but I thought that there was a reason Oda showed us where everyone was at.

BTW this picture is too freaking AWESOME! http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/10

I find it most interesting that they showed 8 Red Hair pirates in that picture not including Rocksta. That means that his crew has alot of very powerful members.

[OnePiece_Fan]

Ok, hi there. Trying to give my best here. (My english s..ks. big time)

It's unbelievable awesome Shanks showed up and ended the war. It says a lot about his capacity. But thats not what i wanted to say and neither the reason i registered myself here (after 3 Years of reading).

The reason why i registered myself here is, because yesterday (when i was lying in bed) i was thinking about what is going to happen to Luffy an Jinbei. Both at there limits, possible going to die. Ok Luffy isn't, we all know that but what is with Jinbei. Not sure at this one.

And we know that Law is going to operate on them.The so called surgeon of death. They both lieing next to each other. But why surgeon of death? Because he can save people who else are going to die? I dont know Tony Chopper could possible do the same. Or not? Of course he can, he loves candy! And thats where i started the thinking. What if someone has to die at the operation to save another one? You know what im trying to say. What if Jinbei is going to die to save Luffy? Would explain the fact why they call him the surgeon of death. With his devil fruit powers he can easily seperate and replacing things. So it should be easy for him to replace something into Luffy. Maybe some organs of Jinbei? What if Luffy gets abilities out of this operation? Make him breath under water again? Would definitively make him less chanceless against logia.

I hope you get what im trying to say. (Even with my bad english. Sumimasen for that). On top of that, i hope it wasnt mentioned before! And i hope that here is the right place for this kind of post! It could happen in the next chapter.

[Roarchu]

Ok, hi there. Trying to give my best here. (My english s..ks. big time)

It's unbelievable awesome Shanks showed up and ended the war. It says a lot about his capacity. But thats not what i wanted to say and neither the reason i registered myself here (after 3 Years of reading).

The reason why i registered myself here is, because yesterday (when i was lying in bed) i was thinking about what is going to happen to Luffy an Jinbei. Both at there limits, possible going to die. Ok Luffy isn't, we all know that but what is with Jinbei. Not sure at this one.

And we know that Law is going to operate on them.The so called surgeon of death. They both lieing next to each other. But why surgeon of death? Because he can save people who else are going to die? I dont know Tony Chopper could possible do the same. Or not? Of course he can, he loves candy! And thats where i started the thinking. What if someone has to die at the operation to save another one? You know what im trying to say. What if Jinbei is going to die to save Luffy? Would explain the fact why they call him the surgeon of death. With his devil fruit powers he can easily seperate and replacing things. So it should be easy for him to replace something into Luffy. Maybe some organs of Jinbei? What if Luffy gets abilities out of this operation? Make him breath under water again? Would definitively make him less chanceless against logia.

I hope you get what im trying to say. (Even with my bad english. Sumimasen for that). On top of that, i hope it wasnt mentioned before! And i hope that here is the right place for this kind of post! It could happen in the next chapter.

I get what you're saying. And I don't want Jimbei to die, but that would be cool if he got something from Jimbei

[godofthesunn]

I get what you're saying. And I don't want Jimbei to die, but that would be cool if he got something from Jimbei


No that would not be cool if someone had to die for luffy to live.. Luffy will recover like his usual self he just needs a ton of rest, hes not terribly injured or anything just exhausted ..

Jinbei is crucial to the story and wont die.. Its farily obvious that hancock will follow them and when luffy is well agian she will teach him some haki tricks along with jinbei.. actually jinbei may even want to fight luffy over what he did to arlong but we'll see.

As far as a death surgeon.. well like i said earlier luffy doesnt need any transplants so no death will occur..

[HikaruYami]

YES! Shanks is a badass--he directly threatened Blackbeard, who immediately folded, which was not something I honestly expected ^_^

Anyway, I like how our post counts are in roman numerals today :3

[Kittycatmeow]

Well I don't think Luffy is going to get better just by sleeping and eating this time. He already came back from death from being poison and loss 10 years of his life because of it.He also received two adrenaline shots from Ivankov,and Ivankov stated that if he received the second shot he would surely die. Oh yeah also add being fucked by Akainu to all that.:)

[hdiuy]

I liked the ending but i was hoping for some more action lol. I liked the way that neither BB, Sengoku or Garp was defeated at the end. I wondered why Ben didn't try to stop Kizaru or that any of the Red Hair pirates tried to stall Aokiji, maybe they were confident in Law escaping lol.

[jiminy]

offtopic: lol about the post counts

about the chapter:
I agree, I was slightly disappointed that Ben Beckman did not attempt to stop Kizaru's attack. Maybe Shanks ordered his men to not attack anyone until he gives them the green light. But I did like how Oda did not make any of the Admirals (or any of the marines actually) attack the Red Hair pirates. They new that they wouldn't be able to fight another Yonkou after what has happened so far.

[TheMoa]

No that would not be cool if someone had to die for luffy to live.. Luffy will recover like his usual self he just needs a ton of rest, hes not terribly injured or anything just exhausted ..


It's not just like that. Luffy was hit by Akainu and the "bear guy" said that his wounds were terribles.

He'll obviously recover, but the things aren't that simple.

[senewe]

I can see head-to-head RH pirates (higher ranks) vs BB pirates

[Junaid_Sennin]

offtopic: lol about the post counts

about the chapter:
I agree, I was slightly disappointed that Ben Beckman did not attempt to stop Kizaru's attack. Maybe Shanks ordered his men to not attack anyone until he gives them the green light. But I did like how Oda did not make any of the Admirals (or any of the marines actually) attack the Red Hair pirates. They new that they wouldn't be able to fight another Yonkou after what has happened so far.

I dunno man, I don't think Shanks needs to tell his crew anything, they're not rookies after all, they know what they're doing, and they're not idiots, especially Ben. Wasn't he like the most intelligent character in the East Blue Arc, or second most intelligent, after Cpt. Kuro. Can't exactly remember, but I heard that there was something like this in an SBS that said he and Kuro were the smartest chars in the East Blue saga.

Anyways, doesn't that monkey guy in Shanks' crew look familiar? I swear I've seen him, or someone like him, maybe it was an Impel Down prisoner.

Man, monkey's are awesome, Luffy needs one!!!

[Dark Doc.]

Where the hell dit San Juan go btw?? He was as tall as the main building and now he's nowhere to be found, did oda forgot about the big guy :P ??

[hy4k]

the thing about beckman is that if he attacks kizaru then there's no going back. the purpose of the red haired crew being there was to ensure luffy's safety and stop the war. they did both.

if beckman had shot kizaru then they would have achieved one or none. that said i have no doubt that kizaru would have got a bullet in his head if he didn't back off when beckman said

[Razh]

The guy on the far right on Shanks pirates panel has the same facial traits as Squad. Probably another sub-race.

My avatar sucks.:darn

[TonyTonyChopper]

Man, monkey's are awesome, Luffy needs one!!!

Luffy is already a monkey man... I think in Strawhats, they need someone fat like Lucky Roo, which I consider Jinbei is the perfect one

My avatar sucks too :(

[fistsofrage]

I think we all started getting bored of the arc after luffy went unconcious...Whenever luffy's not doing something the story line tends to lose flavor after awhile....

[Romanov D Paul]

Guess the avatar's sucking matter goes out for everyone out there eh? lol, I would like to someone explaining this and the post count matter... :D

Anyway, I hardly can see how we can be unsatisfied with this end, well everyone is entitled of his own opinion but still pretty much all of us was crying out loud for the end of this strife, and that's definitely a good way for Oda-sensei to pull out it without too much stretching while giving us a wonderful jack-in-the-box appearence. Seriously, the Akagami Kaizokudan looks kinda of disturbing for their utmost coolness :). Everything makes sense here, Shanks arrival was just what the marines needed to come back to their senses, after all they're a military organization, and they cannot ensure the safety of the common people if they recklessly pursue this fight until thay've expended every last one of their best men, especially against an almost fresh top-level-crew. Also I guess that everyone is happy to have at least an hint of Shanks and co. power, not to mention how awesome was Buggy scolding the red-haired guy (I know that's dabatable but I think I'll laugh for it till the end of my life). Yaya, that really makes me think he'll have more then one ace up his sleeve in the future, alongside the most outrageous bounty rising maybe besides Luffy (that's also debatable since Luffy was already 300 millions, while Buggy was only 15 millions. So Luffy will have the highest bounty in the end, but the raise will be less consistent. Bet anyone? My guess... 350 millions, if not more for Buggy. For Luffy, 500 or around is enough. Maybe also Law will get a little refreshment for letting Luffy out of there). All in all, this "great incident" foreshadowed hundreds of chapters ago was a wonderful set up for the new age to come. Marine's obtained their victory but at great price, WB overwhelming power was smashed, opening lot of chances for the new guys to break up in the NW, Hancock is chasing Luffy witch opens for the possibilities for new interactions, Shanks saved the day displaying his greatness, BB arose to the top of pirates ranking and, wonderfull enough, Buggy too! Or at least he went near it. I'm looking forward to Ace and Newgate funeral. I guess it will be unmatchble sadness pouring from everywhere...

Edit: by the way, I guess Kishimoto really took inspiration from the poké-ball to design the Uchiha crest int the end... Should this go in Naruto mega convo? Sorry :D.

[ScratchmenApoo]

It's April Fools.. you guys need to look at the calendar more often :)
I hope we see San Juan Wolf again in the next chapter and how he actually moves about...

[BlackHair]

I think we all started getting bored of the arc after luffy went unconcious..Nope Im not with you. Honestly I was kinda happy as Luffy went down for the first time, 'till Iva revived him back again.

In this war I was more interested in the Admirals, top Commanders as well as Garp, WB and Sengoku. Every time Luffy got attention from the top dogs, I asked my self "why". Surely he is the main protogonist, but he is weak compared to the high tiers on this battlefield. The ID prisoners were mentioned as "his" troop, even though he was not the strongest of them. I just didn't liked the attention he got, but nvm.. this is a shounen manga and that's how things works. I shouldn't complain about that.


PS: April 1 sucks.

[msg]

Sick Nimmons hahahaha - nice one Mh.Poor daddy
eeeeeeeeeeh wud happen to my ava?(like i have one)

prediction - luffy become a cyborg just like franky but still manage to stretch on certain "part" of his body.Jimbei turns out to be a female

tis a good day to troll lol

[deffkryz]

Did anyone notice that everything from Chapter 533 on ... it all happened within a day? And that it was actually confirmed within the chapter?


Jinbei is crucial to the story and wont die.. Its farily obvious that hancock will follow them and when luffy is well agian she will teach him some haki tricks along with jinbei.. actually jinbei may even want to fight luffy over what he did to arlong but we'll see.

*sigh* To repeat this... There has never been some Narutardish like training in OP - why start here? Luffy figured out every move he made, every power he created, all by himself. He doesn't need neither Hancock, nor Dragon, nor Shanks, nor Rayleigh to master that Haoushoku... And thus he'll learn about the rest of haki by himself as well.


if beckman had shot kizaru then they would have achieved one or none. that said i have no doubt that kizaru would have got a bullet in his head if he didn't back off when beckman said

Perfect analysis of the situation.


Anyone who started reading the manga after #300s sure is reading from the very start to understand wtf is happening.

IMO, they should have started there in the first place. ;)


I think we all started getting bored of the arc after luffy went unconcious...Whenever luffy's not doing something the story line tends to lose flavor after awhile....

Nope.

[Fox666]

Wasn't the entire Impel Down and Marineford arcs just one day?

But that's not the first time. Ennies Lobby was just a single day too.

It's quite common in manga to this happen. In Bleach, the Hueco Mundo arc isn't just in a single day?

[Dark Doc.]

I guess the bounty raise won't be too rediculous (even my guesses are quite high I think). If I'd have to guess buggy would be around 180-210 milj because he did cause some trouble (marines think he is one of the masterminds of the breakout) but. Croc 240 milj because he saved Luffy and Ace, escaped ID and fought some nice battles. Luffy 390-420 milj because he turned out to be the major threat of the new age. Maybe Law's will raise to 260 or something like that. I wonder what bounty BB will get tough....

[jguardiana]

Dang.. I think I'm just going to search around for some answers because I dont wanna bother you guys and get off topic by trying to find out quick. I have no idea what a yonkou is but I will go find out lol XD!!

Can anyone just tell me who Shanks is and why he is so important? I tried reading from the beginning but stopped at chapter 23 because it wasn't as intense as it is now (obviously.. since this is obviously a climax part of the manga haha). Is Shanks considered stronger than WB?

take my advise bro, you should read it from the very beginning because all thats you need to be able get the answers that you need.

about Shanks he's one of the apprentice of the Pirate King and also responsible for Luffy's being a pirate... about White beard the top dog, maybe Shanks is more stronger that Whitebeard because of his age and sickness..

[WickedNeko]

I guess the bounty raise won't be too rediculous (even my guesses are quite high I think). If I'd have to guess buggy would be around 180-210 milj because he did cause some trouble (marines think he is one of the masterminds of the breakout) but. Croc 240 milj because he saved Luffy and Ace, escaped ID and fought some nice battles. Luffy 390-420 milj because he turned out to be the major threat of the new age. Maybe Law's will raise to 260 or something like that. I wonder what bounty BB will get tough....

I wonder if, after certain point, government just stops posting higher bounties for capture of powerful pirates because it's pretty obvious that (unless new uber characters are introduced) no bounty hunter is going to be able to go after someone the caliber of yonkou or the stronger shichibukai.

[caleshious]

Good ending to the arc. Its not obvious, but when shanks says "Teach ... no, Blackbeard", can we assume that Shanks is distinguishing between BB's "atypical" traits?

P.S. LuffyxBoa fans around the world probably went spastic when they read this chapter.

[Messiah]

why do all of you have the same avatar?
anyway I guess the next chapter will continue the story after a timeskip or we'll see the other SHs

well...looks like mine's changed as well
what's going on? it really sucks, lol

[Razh]

Good ending to the arc. Its not obvious, but when shanks says "Teach ... no, Blackbeard", can we assume that Shanks is distinguishing between BB's "atypical" traits?

He's just calling him with his new name. I wouldn't think too much into it.
[hr]

why do all of you have the same avatar?
anyway I guess the next chapter will continue the story after a timeskip or we'll see the other SHs

well...looks like mine's changed as well
what's going on? it really sucks, lol

April Fools' Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day)
Duh :p

[Super Angillis]

Well, seems like we now know whats going to happen to Boa Hancock. She's going to be following Luffy around trying to "catch" him. Funny thing is that it will help her look good to the Goverment. My guess is that next chapter will either show Luffy's treatment, everyone leaving marineford, or begin showing the other strawhats.

[shiro245]

I am so disappointed in this arc when Ace died already so really don't care what gonna happen next. After everything and in the end, he died.

Now, who will be the next crew mate or we have to wait till next arc. Somehow I can't see Hancock be the next one cuz if she join the crew, jealousy storm will be everyday.

[llmcduff]

Off topic - How come everyone's icon is the same?

[Akainu]

Off topic - How come everyone's icon is the same?
Because MangaHelpers supports Sick Nimmons and his new Magma.
You can find a link to an exclusive chapter in everyones signature.

That said, please keep it on topic now.

[chess4]

I am so disappointed in this arc when Ace died already so really don't care what gonna happen next. After everything and in the end, he died.

Now, who will be the next crew mate or we have to wait till next arc. Somehow I can't see Hancock be the next one cuz if she join the crew, jealousy storm will be everyday.

i feel you my boy................luffy lost 10 years of his life, is half dead, and made himself a bigger target. Wb is dead, and the WB pirates have been crippled with their captain and 2nd division commander dead, not to mention jozu has lost an arm(probably) and is frozen.

this entire arc has had only one conclusion...........FAILURE

i was ready for WB's death, but Ace being revealed to be rogers son and one of the few remaining D's i thought he would survive to see luffy's dream complete.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/572/08/

would have been great to see this in the NW.........2 bad is Ace is a done for.

i guess we will get a strawhat reunion arc now.


THE BIG QUESTION IS WHO IS GOING TO GET THE FLAME FRUIT?

[JollyRoger]

However now Luffy has very strong friends:
Wb's crew, Shanks and his crew, 2 ex warlords (Boa and Jimbe) maybe Crocodile too, Silver Rayleigh, Iva and probably the other revolutionaries with Dragon.........ooooh

[RichardMNixon]

I was a little disappointed the red-hairs couldn't do more about getting the submarine to escape than just watching Aokiji and Kizaru fail; I was expecting Lucky Roux to jump down and falcon-punch the ice or something.

Hancock knows Luffy is alive - is that love or mantra-haki?

I'm definitely getting the feel that what Shanks wants most in life is peace. I think Sengoku grudgingly accepts him as an almost neutral party, and would rather stay on friendly terms than have a new enemy of that magnitude, especially now. Plus he might know the blank history from his time with Roger, that's quite a large axe hanging over the government's head. Then again, does Buggy know it? It wouldn't surprise me if he did and just didn't care or understand the significance.

[Dark Doc.]

I wonder if, after certain point, government just stops posting higher bounties for capture of powerful pirates because it's pretty obvious that (unless new uber characters are introduced) no bounty hunter is going to be able to go after someone the caliber of yonkou or the stronger shichibukai.

that's why I think there won't be any skyrockets in de bounties, then nobody would go after someone with a 1.000.000.000. bounty :p and the whole point of bounties would go to waste. And when such high bounties would be revealed we couldn't even be impressed by the bounties of the shichi.

[Youbba]

English is not my mother langage, so there are some expression that I don't understand.
Can someone please explain what does shanks mean by : "save face for me"
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/11

[Marche]

I think than is important Garp's reaction to the arrive of Shanks: "That's the man who pulled Rufy onto the path to become a pirate".
I think than is important Garp's reaction to the arrive of Shanks: "That's the man who pulled Rufy onto the path to become a pirate".
I think than this is important because I expect something from Garp in the next chapter (as after all I had already said), I think than He will talk to Shanks, also of the fact than Ace is Roger's son.
I think than is important Garp's reaction to the arrive of Shanks: "That's the man who pulled Rufy onto the path to become a pirate".
I think than this is important because I expect something from Garp in the next chapter (as after all I had already said), I think than He will talk to Shanks, also of the fact than Ace is Roger's son.
He could also attach Shanks, however He will think to Rufy and so He will stop (or perhaps Sengoku will stop him).
Anyways I hope than Garp will say that he will occupy of Ace and WB bodies, than after Rufy (in metaphoric way) Shanks will not take also Ace.
Wonderful when Shanks says that he would like to see Rufy, but than if He does it, He would break the promise.
Then the fourth image of page 4 (page 5 considering Mangastream (because in the first page there are the credits)), seems to me than that image wasn't never been drawn, I don't remember that image in the past.
I on the matter "straw hat" had two hypotheses:
1) If Shanks... (after having stopped the war) ...would have followed Rufy, he would be been able to hold the hat, because then He would have been with Rufy up to when He would be taken back.
He would also have helped him to gather the crew.
2) Otherwise somehow Rufy would have taken back the hat, and Shanks would have taken back the hat in the "new world", a scene similar to that between Hisoka and Gon in "
Hunter x Hunter."
However the fact that Shanks has arrived (and than Rufy has not seen him) could have 2 effects on Rufy:
A) The depression and the sadness of Rufy could still increase (because he has not seen him).
B) But perhaps (as I believe) this could give strength and courage to Rufy, because He will remember the promise (and after this He could remember also the last word of Ace (I am sure than you will became the PK).
I would never have thought that Aokiji would have tried to stop Rufy.
However in reality I believe that he has made only a pretense, also because if He would have wanted indeed to stop the submarine, He would have done in the chapter 578 (when he ask apologizes to Jimbei).
Great Hancock, after this chapter I am still more sure than Rufy will go to AL (I will tell my reasons in the next post, always if I will have time).
Very beautiful when she says to be sure that Rufy is saved, just as She was sure that Rufy would be came back by ID.
The first two images of page 7 (page 8 according to Mangastream) they remember me some image of the trip toward ID.
Great than when Shanks and Buggy speak of the old times, the prisoners of ID revere him as a God, absolutely fantastic (with also the angels).
I hope however that Buggy will meet his old crew, and they will return together (also with the prisoners of ID).

In the end I must say something about the decision of Shanks (that in which He say than He will do Ace’s and WB burial’s), and also the answer of Sengoku:
To notice than Sengoku says than He will take the guilt of this (the fact than the bodies will not exposed as trophies).
For this I believe (also on pressure of the Tenryuubitos, they will not tollerate the fact than Rufy has escaped) than Sengoku will be punished, He will be demoted to admiral or they will dismiss him (perhaps Sengoku will left the Navy). This is also worth for Garp (also him lascierà the harbor).
If it will be so will be promoted Akainu, and also the same Navy (not only the WG) it will become dark (this in sight of the next war).
If Sengoku will leave the Navy, perhaps also him will face the WG in the next war (because from this chapter we understand that he is not for the absolute justice, contrarily of what I believed).
I think than Dobberman will became the third admiral, because also him as Akainu is for "absolute justice".

[Uriel]

English is not my mother langage, so there are some expression that I don't understand.
Can someone please explain what does shanks mean by : "save face for me"
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/11
Me too, I would really want to know what that means.

And je, Happy April's Fool :3

[Krono]

English is not my mother langage, so there are some expression that I don't understand.
Can someone please explain what does shanks mean by : "save face for me"
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/11

To "save face" is to help preserve reputation or image.

In this particular case, Shanks' reputation would have suffered, as he had thrown his support behind Whitebeard, but Whitebeard had failed. By making Blackbeard, and the WG stand down, and saving the remaining WB pirates as well as recovering WB and Ace's bodies for proper burial, his reputation will be preserved.

Rather than people starting to think of him as the guy that supported the failure Whitebeard, people will be thinking of him as the guy that stopped the war just by showing up and making all sides meekly back down.

[seiryu777]

I think this saga IS THE BEST!

[hy4k]

Rather than people starting to think of him as the guy that supported the failure Whitebeard, people will be thinking of him as the guy that stopped the war just by showing up and making all sides meekly back down.

I read it that he was helping the WB pirates save face after a pretty major defeat . he didn't really need to save face, he hadn't really been embarassed in any way

[chess4]

I think this saga IS THE BEST!

this saga was great, but the rescue robin arc was the best

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/399/02-03/

look at this picture..............its the strawhats in all their glory. check out usopp, best pose in the manga.

[Krono]

I read it that he was helping the WB pirates save face after a pretty major defeat . he didn't really need to save face, he hadn't really been embarassed in any way

Yeah, the way mangastreams translator did it is a little bit ambiguous. However cnet translated it as "In this instance... / ...each and every one of you... // ...is going to preserve my dignity." So between the two I'd say it's fairly safe to say that Shanks was talking about saving face for himself.

[BlackHair]

i feel you my boy................luffy lost 10 years of his life, is half dead, and made himself a bigger target. Wb is dead, and the WB pirates have been crippled with their captain and 2nd division commander dead, not to mention jozu has lost an arm(probably) and is frozen.

this entire arc has had only one conclusion...........FAILURE

This arc is a setup for a much bigger and probably the last arc of this manga. WB's last words foreshadowed the World Government's downfall. You can be damn sure that we will have an all out war, with all major characters.

Yes we lost Ace and WB, but both were necessary for future plots. Yes this arc lacked proper character developments, but keep in mind that Oda has a future plan. After all we didn't even passed the red mountain yet.

Now just imagine Ace and/or WB to be still alive and that Oda took the time to develop almost every character on this battlefield in a proper way by showing their abilities and giving them frames, lines etc (which would have stretched the war for about 2 years). In that case Oda would have less character and less room for future arcs and with WB alive, BB couldn't do his job as Luffy's rival, not to mention Ace, who won't give Luffy the will to fight the WG as WB predicted.

That said, I can't rly understand the disappointment in this arc. I think we should consider ourself lucky to have seen so many characters and their interaction in one single midway arc.

Anyway about Shanks, his dialogues, his wish for peace, the respect he got from everyone.. I rly hope Dragon as a revolutionist has a similar character as Shanks.

PS: The April joke is pissing me off. Just annoying.

[glusa]

Has anybody noticed something fishy with Akainu in this picture?

http://www.mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/6

Now in comparising he looks like his drooling after getting his face out of one extra large pizza :D no body is perfect!

http://www.mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/7

[BlackHair]

Yep mistake by Oda. He has forgotten to draw the damage on Akainu which he got from WB.

Speaking of damagelines, I'm surprised to see a bruise on Flamingo's face. I was expecting him to leave the battle without scratches, just like Mihawk.

[glusa]

And Moria looks better than we'd expect...but I don't know why he has that grin, war is over, less corpses for him :) I'd like to see Moria, Don Flamingo and Crock team up...they are like Dalton brothers :D

A great chapter, because it closes one long and epic arc...and lots of details. In this picture it looks like Jassop and Vista have some unfinished anger menagmen terapy sesions!

http://www.mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/9

You can also see a guy that was in the same cell on lv 5 with Luffy!

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/536/12/
http://www.mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/8

[Poneglyph420]

Yep mistake by Oda. He has forgotten to draw the damage on Akainu which he got from WB.

Speaking of damagelines, I'm surprised to see a bruise on Flamingo's face. I was expecting him to leave the battle without scratches, just like Mihawk.

Yeah I was also pretty surprised by that, but moreso that Moria looked pretty much uninjured....

As a self ordained Smoker and crew lover, I'm dying too see his/ their reaction and if any shuffling is done in the order of the Marines..

I bet Sengoku is in some deep doo doo.....

[FluffBall]

In this chapter when Shanks asks for the corpses of ace and whitebeard why does sengoku allow him to take it while the other people are like no?

[WickedNeko]

Well, what is he going to do? Risk losing a war that marines have already won by fighting against another Yonkou?

[Reverb]

i know i asked this before and all but how high do you think luffy's bounty gonna go up after this is over and we came back from the break

[Zatono]

i know i asked this before and all but how high do you think luffy's bounty gonna go up after this is over and we came back from the break

The unheard of "billion bounty".

[minimz]

For all those who think the pirates got owned my the marines... there really are excuses. Jozu and Marco were defeated only because they got distracted, and we know how that can change things, like when zoro got distracted by luffy's defeat back when they first found out who the cp9 were, and so he was defeated way too easily. Most people seem to forget the fact that Ace was set free! In a way, that is a loss on the marines, or at least, they lost face, having their most supreme forces all out, and not being able to stop a rookie+pirates to free one person.

The only real accomplishment that the marines had was the fact that they tricked Ace, and killed him (stupid akainu), and injured many other wb pirates along with Luffy. On the other hand, most of the marines were injured too, along with their HQ.

Blackbeard killed WB, if not the marines would have lost a LOT more, perhaps even knocking out sengoku, or another admiral. Whitebeard only lost to the bb pirates because he lost his head/temper, and perhaps got a bit too cocky, but I have no doubt that he'd have dismantled MF.

So all in all, it was only really (roughly) Marines 1:Pirates 1 ; there were no real big failures. The death of a character is a huge loss, but the name of the marines losing to a rookie and co. is too. Yes, other wb pirates were injured badly by akainu n stuff, but so were many of the marines. When wb/bb went on a rampage, those quakes should have gotten a few killed or badly injured.

[Fox666]

Yeah I was also pretty surprised by that, but moreso that Moria looked pretty much uninjured....Moria is actually pretty damaged, it's just a mistake. He was damaged by Jinbei.

Once he was fighting Curiel, he was clean again. Them he was dirty again (I even believed that Curiel guy hit him bad), but them Moria clean again, dirty again, them clean again (them I suppose all damage was done by Jinbei)... :p

[Poneglyph420]

For all those who think the pirates got owned my the marines... there really are excuses. Jozu and Marco were defeated only because they got distracted, and we know how that can change things, like when zoro got distracted by luffy's defeat back when they first found out who the cp9 were, and so he was defeated way too easily. Most people seem to forget the fact that Ace was set free! In a way, that is a loss on the marines, or at least, they lost face, having their most supreme forces all out, and not being able to stop a rookie+pirates to free one person.

The only real accomplishment that the marines had was the fact that they tricked Ace, and killed him (stupid akainu), and injured many other wb pirates along with Luffy. On the other hand, most of the marines were injured too, along with their HQ.

Blackbeard killed WB, if not the marines would have lost a LOT more, perhaps even knocking out sengoku, or another admiral. Whitebeard only lost to the bb pirates because he lost his head/temper, and perhaps got a bit too cocky, but I have no doubt that he'd have dismantled MF.

So all in all, it was only really (roughly) Marines 1:Pirates 1 ; there were no real big failures. The death of a character is a huge loss, but the name of the marines losing to a rookie and co. is too. Yes, other wb pirates were injured badly by akainu n stuff, but so were many of the marines. When wb/bb went on a rampage, those quakes should have gotten a few killed or badly injured.

I do completely agree there is no real winner in this war, except maybe BB. However you mentioned that Jozu and Marco could be excused for getting distracted, like Zoro did in the CP9 Arc. With that I disagree that there are allowable excuses in war (while caring for WB is morally right) and also I 'd expect more from WB commanders than a rookie..

In the end Ace was indeed saved, but more so by Croc, Mr.3, and Luffy than WB's crew. However it's clear WB and the NW pirates were a powerful and capable cover for Luffy.
Also yes the Marines did lose a great deal of their honor and respectability, perhaps even among their own ranks. Why? Because they continued to focus on victory, even after they had won..

But again BB IMO was the only "winner" in this war.. (if anyone wins in war...but that's another story..)

If we judge success by the achievement of intended objectives, it does seem that while taking losses and shaming themselves, the Marines were far more successful than WB and crew, but less successful than say Luffy or BB IMHO...
:D
[hr]

Moria is actually pretty damaged, it's just a mistake. He was damaged by Jinbei.

Once he was fighting Curiel, he was clean again. Them he was dirty again (I even believed that Curiel guy hit him bad), but them Moria clean again, dirty again, them clean again (them I suppose all damage was done by Jinbei)... :p

Yeah I had kinda wondered about that... He regenerated it seemed..
Oh that's Oda... LOL

[leonoel]

I do think this is a failure for the pirates, lets enumerate:

Marines top players: Sengoku, Garp, 3 Admirals and Shichibukai, all of them were pretty much ok save some bruises like in Moria's case (hell even Tsuru was well and dandy). The most bruised one was Akainu and he was still good enough to break shit to IVankov, Inazuma, Jimbei, WB commanders TOGETHER!!!!

Pirates top players: WB (dead) 1st Division commander (almost died), 2nd division commander (dead), 3rd division commander (in the best case he lost an arm), and we are still missing the other commanders after akainu's attack ONE ADMIRAL was breaking shit to all of them, that is too broken. New Worl Pirates lost Oars Jr (until proven wrong)

Even without BB intervention WB was dead meat he was about to face at least 2 admirals and Sengoku at the same time, I'll say they would also have pretty good chances of taking him down.

SO in the aftermath pretty much every top player of the pirates was defeated or in the best case even by some top player in the marines side, like Vista -Mihawk.

My point is, other than the building and fodder marines, they lost pretty much no top notch players to this war, while WB pirates are severely crippled in more than one way.

[PaluPalu]

For all those who think the pirates got owned my the marines... there really are excuses. Jozu and Marco were defeated only because they got distracted, and we know how that can change things, like when zoro got distracted by luffy's defeat back when they first found out who the cp9 were, and so he was defeated way too easily. Most people seem to forget the fact that Ace was set free! In a way, that is a loss on the marines, or at least, they lost face, having their most supreme forces all out, and not being able to stop a rookie+pirates to free one person.

The only real accomplishment that the marines had was the fact that they tricked Ace, and killed him (stupid akainu), and injured many other wb pirates along with Luffy. On the other hand, most of the marines were injured too, along with their HQ.

Blackbeard killed WB, if not the marines would have lost a LOT more, perhaps even knocking out sengoku, or another admiral. Whitebeard only lost to the bb pirates because he lost his head/temper, and perhaps got a bit too cocky, but I have no doubt that he'd have dismantled MF.

So all in all, it was only really (roughly) Marines 1:Pirates 1 ; there were no real big failures. The death of a character is a huge loss, but the name of the marines losing to a rookie and co. is too. Yes, other wb pirates were injured badly by akainu n stuff, but so were many of the marines. When wb/bb went on a rampage, those quakes should have gotten a few killed or badly injured.

You're right but Aokiji and Akainu also got distracted when they where trying to kill Luffy so no excuses for the pirates losses.

[hy4k]

Yeah, the way mangastreams translator did it is a little bit ambiguous. However cnet translated it as "In this instance... / ...each and every one of you... // ...is going to preserve my dignity." So between the two I'd say it's fairly safe to say that Shanks was talking about saving face for himself.

that's happened to me a few times with mangastream. their translators dont seem to be very good

[Junaid_Sennin]

My prediction for the marines - mind you, I don't mean this'll happen immediately, but over time... or something.

>Garp and Sengoku are in trouble. Garp'll have to take the heat for Luffy, since he let Luffy punch him, and earlier at Water 7 he let Luffy go, where if he had caught him, none of the stuff Luffy did would have happened. Plus, the Tenryuubito want Luffy's head, so they'll hold a grudge. Sengoku will have to take the blame for the whole thing, since he's the boss. Worst case, they get court marshalled or something, best case, demotions or probation.

>Akainu may get promoted to Fleet Admiral, and I dunno who the strongest VC is (aside from Garp), but if we're going by their view of justice, Doberman looks like a candidate for Admiral, since he's just like Akainu.

>Smoker didn't do much in this war to make a name for himself. Pity, he deserves a promotion, or rather, it's better for the plot if he gets one.

>Akainu may kill Coby, since he is guilty of insubordination and all. Garp may stick up for him, especially since Garp wants to kill Akainu.

These are just theories, but what I'm confident of is that the Marines and World Government will become shadier, and their actions will become more questionable. We as the readers already view them as antagonists since we support the pirates, but they're actually good guys. I think that's gonna change, and that big war WB predicted shall come to pass soon, and Dragon will be involved.
[hr]
Now that the WB War Saga is over, any inside news on what Oda has planned? For example, most fans of Bleach are aware that the Arrancar arc will end soon (as in this month or the next), after which Kubo has a short arc planned, and then a long one.

So, any news on Oda's plans?

[panasit]

I don't think Coby will be a marine anymore. I think Sengoku's fleet admiral position is secured. The Marines don't have to answer for anything since they executed Ace and killed Whitebeard. They are the winner. In my opinion. Minor detail like Garp letting Luffy punched him, or the fact that Luffy was Dragon son, is common knowledge among the higher up I believe.

[khevs2o]

after the war obviously it appears that there will be a timeskip.. like what shanks said, it's not yet time for him to make an appearance at luffy's current level. Maybe a 5 years time skip will be worth enough for my cents.. luffy will be in coma state.. it seems like he'll not be able to make some changes after the timeskip.

[RezzieThaRapper]

The End... epic


Now 4 the prediction...

Sengoku WILL get dismissed from his position, not Garp though; Garp was conspicous with any "speculated" betrayal (I know he was serious, but the marines don't); Sengoku was too soft during the majority of this war, his strategies(though good) were not effective enough, He let Ace escape right under his nose, and he was out strategized by Blackbeard, and in the end was unable to stop threat of the Gura Gura No Mi

It will be a political war between Akainu and Aokoji to become the new Admiral... Absolute Justice vs. Moral (though lazy) Justice... and Akainu will win

Garp will stay and develop Coby at least a bit longer

Coby and Hellempo become a highly notable team within the marines, and they'll get cool nicknames

Smoker's gonna get a promotion -come on... who honestly thinks he won't...


Luffy will wake up and thank Law, He will get all of his crew back --except 2 members-- Robin and Franky (I say it will be both of them because their stories have already overlapped well, both knowing the secrets of the ancient weapons)

They won't meet up with them until the IMO Dragon and Vegapunk storylines that I hope will intertwine... The goverment has vegapunk and he may be after Pluton. I hope Dragon's a good guy and will try to stop it which is when the stories should intertwine


Luffy is going to find a way to battle Logia that isn't Haki

Luffy is going to gain 5 more core members plus semi-fodder crew



....................................I'd put more but I don't know if there is an extended prediction forum

[ScratchmenApoo]

In the following chapters, I'd like to see Law take care of Luffy's major injuries while they are heading back to Shabaody Archipelago. Then they meet up with Rayleigh (more likely Rayleigh will find them) who will take Luffy to Shakki's house where he will be put into bed...
Then the main-story will concentrate on other Strawhats and how they use the Vivrecard to get back to Shabaody via various transportation. It will take a month or two and the crew members are all back together again. Then Luffy will wake up and the Strawhats will share their stories. Luffy won't be the same again for quite a while...
On the marine side, they will start rebuilding Marineford. Noone will be promoted or demoted. The Gorousei will be angry about the events that happened but they understand them, when looking back at their goals.

[WickedNeko]

While we're making predictions, here's another one:

Whomever becomes the next fleet admiral (or if Sengoku remains on that post), he's going to be absolutely flooded with paperwork.

He'll have to figure out and re-assign / shuffle marines to new posts since their numbers have gone down... he'll have to find a way to pay for fixing Marine Ford, Imperial Down, and lost ships... he's going to have to find TWO additional shichibukai (Jinbei and BB)... he's going to have to set up award / victory ceremony regarding execution of WB and Ace, etc etc.

It's going to be never ending Unlimited Paper Work.

[kkck]

What I find interesting is that rockstar, a guy with a 94 mil bounty, is not even shown. He is practically a supernova -except for 6 mill- and he still was not shown among the important members of shanks crew. I guess someone of his level would have been just fodder among a small number of people who were willing to take any marine and pirate willing to fight them.

[St Michael]

Bounties mean nothing. Capone is a SN, and yet he's a weakling.

Plus , the (great) pic of the Red Hair's only shows us the elder membres of the crew , or at least those who were highlighted in the very first chapter.

Rookie Rockstar has nothing to do with them.

[chess4]

In the following chapters, I'd like to see Law take care of Luffy's major injuries while they are heading back to Shabaody Archipelago. Then they meet up with Rayleigh (more likely Rayleigh will find them) who will take Luffy to Shakki's house where he will be put into bed...
Then the main-story will concentrate on other Strawhats and how they use the Vivrecard to get back to Shabaody via various transportation. It will take a month or two and the crew members are all back together again. Then Luffy will wake up and the Strawhats will share their stories. Luffy won't be the same again for quite a while...
On the marine side, they will start rebuilding Marineford. Noone will be promoted or demoted. The Gorousei will be angry about the events that happened but they understand them, when looking back at their goals.

i agree except for i think luffy will be out for a while......he has pushed way passed his limit. i think the strawhats will make their way back and will head to SA with the still unconcious luffy. rayleigh and shakki will attend WB and ace's funeral. ince they can no longer stay on SA, shanks will ask his old VC to come with him and shakki as well. jinbei will take the strawhats to fishman island.

i think the marines will get a small crew together and chase after luffy. the rest of the strawhats will fight them off, showing off their new powers. a fishman will gain repect for them and will help them fight.

towards the end of the fighting luffy will wake back up and get loose. the others will restore his confidence and he wil be able to forge on without ace.

then its on to the NW
[hr]

Bounties mean nothing. Capone is a SN, and yet he's a weakling.

Plus , the (great) pic of the Red Hair's only shows us the elder membres of the crew , or at least those who were highlighted in the very first chapter.
Rookie Rockstar has nothing to do with them.

really cause i only recognize the top 4(shanks, yassop, lucky, and beckman

[Schabrak]

There is a thread Supernova discussion. Don't know why kkck had the need to mention Rockstar in such manner, knowing that he is still just an "apprentice" and nowhere near the main crew.

Sengoku was always shown in his office doing paperwork, so it's not really disturbing, as he has to stay at the HQ, giving orders. We will have to wait, to see which penalty he will get for surrendering the bodies, but it should not be much, as he achieved nearly everything he planed for.

"no 20 years"... would you stop spamming please. :) There is no blatancy for a time-skip with Oda having the chance to show off Luffys Nakama for once in a year or two. Anything more than a couple of weeks would be to much of a throwback to the Mugiwaras in the New World. With Odas show off at Shanbody Archipelago, it's foreseeable, that they will clash more often there.

[chess4]

i think oda will focus on the other strawhats more than people think. i see anywhere 3 months to a year. think about it. it has been 2 years since the SA incident, but only about a week has passed in the manga.

[St Michael]

really cause i only recognize the top 4(shanks, yassop, lucky, and beckman


I encourage you to read the first chapter. The drawing style is really different , but you can recognize a few of the other members , even if I admit that they looks like a bunch of kids back then.

[BlackHair]

The marines goal was to eliminate Roger's bloodline and as well as WB. I don't see why Sengoku has to be fired from his position.

Anyway, Im a bit disappointed that the other SN were not present.

[chess4]

I encourage you to read the first chapter. The drawing style is really different , but you can recognize a few of the other members , even if I admit that they looks like a bunch of kids back then.

yeah i do see a couple of them..........
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/1/08/

the bald guy with the striped shirt on is the guy with the monkey on his back, and the guy with the sword in his hand is the guy behind yassop
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/580/10-11/

[St Michael]

Yep.

I just remembered that someone somewhere else posted this earlier this week :
http://img27.imageshack.us/i/1270003045825.jpg/

I think it shows pretty well the evolution of the crew.

[Dark Doc.]

The End... epic


Now 4 the prediction...

Sengoku WILL get dismissed from his position, not Garp though; Garp was conspicous with any "speculated" betrayal (I know he was serious, but the marines don't); Sengoku was too soft during the majority of this war, his strategies(though good) were not effective enough, He let Ace escape right under his nose, and he was out strategized by Blackbeard, and in the end was unable to stop threat of the Gura Gura No Mi

It will be a political war between Akainu and Aokoji to become the new Admiral... Absolute Justice vs. Moral (though lazy) Justice... and Akainu will win

Garp will stay and develop Coby at least a bit longer

Coby and Hellempo become a highly notable team within the marines, and they'll get cool nicknames

Smoker's gonna get a promotion -come on... who honestly thinks he won't...


Luffy will wake up and thank Law, He will get all of his crew back --except 2 members-- Robin and Franky (I say it will be both of them because their stories have already overlapped well, both knowing the secrets of the ancient weapons)

They won't meet up with them until the IMO Dragon and Vegapunk storylines that I hope will intertwine... The goverment has vegapunk and he may be after Pluton. I hope Dragon's a good guy and will try to stop it which is when the stories should intertwine


Luffy is going to find a way to battle Logia that isn't Haki

Luffy is going to gain 5 more core members plus semi-fodder crew



....................................I'd put more but I don't know if there is an extended prediction forum

Don't think anyone of the High-Ranking marines will be dismissed. They need every strong man they can get to cope with the loss of 3 shichi (BB, Jinbei and a little bit Hancock) in this war. And I sure hope Coby wil be a kick-ass marine :D like his character


Yep.

I just remembered that someone somewhere else posted this earlier this week :
http://img27.imageshack.us/i/1270003045825.jpg/

I think it shows pretty well the evolution of the crew.

Yep shows what the bad-ass NW can challenge a crew to:blink

[kanmati]

i predict the next time luffy meet usop. usop will lanky like aokiji but bit muscular.

[JonnyMakarrony]

My prediction is that in the next chap we will get to see the burial for WB and Ace (deeply hope somthing more...snif) and the meeting of the Heart Pirats along Luffy and Jimbei with Rayleigh in Shabondy Arch.

[polyura]

It seems we haven't predicted Boa hancock's role in the coming chapters. She has disregarded her orders to support the marines in the war and has commandeered a navy ship to pursue Luffy. At this point I predict her title as schichibuki will be revoked and she will be named as an enemy of the WG. If she returned to Amazon Lilly, her land and people would be crushed by the navy. This opens the door for Boa to join the SH crew and add some comic relief by way of indignant demonstrations of her undying love for Luffy. maybe?

[airius]

At this point, I think that it is highly predictable that there will be a time skip.....but with luffy only. I believe that we will see the adventures of the other strawhats just like we did with luffy but in an abreviated fashion(not as long as the ID and MWB War). They may give each SW 2 or 3 weeks of update and then we may get a skip to where luffy is awake and on his way to SA. We'll get flashbacks of when he was on the operating table and what happened after he awoke on Law's Sub. I think that all of the SW will be at SA awaiting Luffy when he returns. I don't think that he will get there and no one is there. I think that they will be there for support because they will all know what happened since the war was broadcast all over the world.
[hr]

It seems we haven't predicted Boa hancock's role in the coming chapters. She has disregarded her orders to support the marines in the war and has commandeered a navy ship to pursue Luffy. At this point I predict her title as schichibuki will be revoked and she will be named as an enemy of the WG. If she returned to Amazon Lilly, her land and people would be crushed by the navy. This opens the door for Boa to join the SH crew and add some comic relief by way of indignant demonstrations of her undying love for Luffy. maybe?

I'm not sure that would happen. She just doesn't seem like a good fit for the crew. She'd have some issues with the violence the members tend to have with luffy on occasion. Nami would def be in trouble. :p

[sage mode]

I think that all of the SW will be at SA awaiting Luffy when he returns. I don't think that he will get there and no one is there. I think that they will be there for support because they will all know what happened since the war was broadcast all over the world.


No one would be there because all other SH are far away from the SA

[jiminy]

i think that Boa Hancock would still have her Shichibukai position. She took over a marine ship and already has an alibi (chasing after Luffy), so I think that they still see her as a loyal Shichibukai. There were things that she has done that are questionable to the marines, but I don't think the marines would take her off the list because she is a valuable asset to them.

If she did join the strawhats (which i don't believe she would) I can picture her kicking chopper around when he is in his tanuki form

[Bugzee]

I personally don't think Boa's chase after Law's (fricking awesome :shakefist) ship will last long tbh. I think they'll receive a message from the marines via the den den mushi warning or demanding Boa to return. She might even receive a threat. :s I can't see Amazon Lily being left under the command of her two ugly sisters for eternity. :XD Boa will understand the situation and I think she'll let go of Luffy....for the time being. ;)

Once the SH's are reunited, it'll be pretty cool if they throw a party on Amazon Lily to celebrate their return together. :) (Can anyone picture BB :P going to Amazon Lily? :scry)

It was great to see Shanks & his main crew behind him in that double page shot. A very nice touch by Oda imo. (Quite a few changes in their apperances over time lol.)

:omg Lucky Roo is fricking MASSIVE! Xd

[drzcoyotex3]

what did shanks mean when he said this "will preserve my dignity"
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/580/12-13/
what does that mean i seriously cant understand that

[Lord Rayleigh]

what did shanks mean when he said this "will preserve my dignity"
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/580/12-13/
what does that mean i seriously cant understand that
It was preserve Ace and WB's dignity/honor : bury them properly.

[Marche]

This is what I think will do Hancock in the next chapters:

Anyways I think than Hancock will reach AL, and when seem than Rufy is captured, She will stone the marine and tell to Law or other to bring Rufy in AL (after that She will release the marine, and she will make some "excuse" for her fail).
But I hope in other 4 solution:
1) The other supernoavas will came to save/protect Rufy, and they will take out the marine, so She will speack without problem.
2) Rayleigh will came, make his entrace like this http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/503/15/ (and the page after this).
I hope than He will came by a forest, behind a tree, I hope than there will be a image similar to this http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/356/10/
3) Bart will take out his suits, and will show his Tenryuubito mark, this will stop Hancock (I hope in some flashback from her), so He and the other Law's nakama will take out the marine.
4) Garp after having heard of her purpose, will swim through SA.
And Hancock tell her the truth.
Garp will be (if he will stay still a marine) confused, by a side as "gramp" will not tell, but the "marine side" say him to speak about her betrayal.
In the end He will choose his "gramps" side.
5) Dragon with the revolutionary army will show, because they came for bring Robin to Rayleigh.
In the truth I don't believe it (I hope only in Dragon's appareance, not also by Robin), I think than Rufy and Robin will meet in another way.

Anyawys perhaps there will be more than one scenarios (I hope in the second and in the fourth scenario, so Rayleigh and Garp will spoke about Rufy and "Ace-Roger".; but also in the fourth and fifth scenario).

[stoz500]

No that would not be cool if someone had to die for luffy to live.. Luffy will recover like his usual self he just needs a ton of rest, hes not terribly injured or anything just exhausted ..

Jinbei is crucial to the story and wont die.. Its farily obvious that hancock will follow them and when luffy is well agian she will teach him some haki tricks along with jinbei.. actually jinbei may even want to fight luffy over what he did to arlong but we'll see.

As far as a death surgeon.. well like i said earlier luffy doesnt need any transplants so no death will occur..

I don't think that Jimbei was seeking revenge for what happened with Arlong but felt bad about it. Jimbei (although a pirate) is an honourable character and thought what Arlong did was dishonourable. That was my take on it anyway. I agree I don't think there will be any more deaths of major characters coming out of this arc. Jimbei will live.

I have been thinking that although Luffy will obviously survive the magnitude of what has happened to him will mark him not only emotionally but physically. I wouldn't be surprised if Oda changes Luffy's look somehow from now on. I don't think it will be with scars but maybe he will appear older, dress differently or even something more drastic like his hair will go white or something (this one is probably unlikely). Anyway its been such a big event in Luffy's life and develoment I think it will be marked visibly on Luffy somehow.

[Lord Rayleigh]

Jimbei won't fight Luffy because of the Arlong matter. Remember what we've seen after Ace died :
- flashback of Ace asking Jimbei to protect Luffy
- Jimbei explained that he only protects the ones he cares for
- Jimbei said to Akainu that he'd protect Luffy even if he died.

There is no way Jimbei will ever fight Luffy after that. Actually, he will somehow try to protect Luffy in the future.

[drzcoyotex3]

have u noticed how on one of the two remaining yonkou resembles gol d roger?
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/File:Yonkou.jpg
the one on the bottom left

[deffkryz]

have u noticed how on one of the two remaining yonkou resembles gol d roger?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/580/12-13/
the one on the bottom left

Um... I could be wrong but... There are just Shanks and Whitebeard as Yonkou... and on the bottom left on that page there's Akainu...

You probably ment http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/07/?

[shluffy]

Hey everyone, can we consider Blackbeard as a Yonkou now that he has defeated Whitebeard?

[LDSaint]

i dnt see why people think sengoku is going to be in trouble or he is going to get demoted if anything he should be congratulated given a medal or some shit because sengoku as the head of the marines is the reason why white beard and ace are now dead. this a massive succes for the marines. a yonkou is dead as well as the son of Gol d Roger all their main players r still alive the admirials, shichibukai VA ect. they showed the world that they could pwn the WB commanders all i see is positives, except BB but come on could they really have prevented that who could of known he was going to steal the gura gura no mi power well oda did but hes not in the manga so no1 did.

anyways predictions for the next chapter and the future
-dnt think much will happen next chapter the wasnt much of a clifhanger so basically the funerals for ace and WB
- prob see some work done on luffy from kid
- i no this is a streach but my view on how the strawhats will be reunited is wehn luffy meets his dad again his crew will be there to

[kuroSaki_Ichi]

yeah i have a feeling there's no action for at least like 2 - 3 weeks cause of the funeral and stuff >.>

[BlackHair]

Hey everyone, can we consider Blackbeard as a Yonkou now that he has defeated Whitebeard?No! WB has not the necessary men power to fight either a Yonko or the MHQ or even the Shichi. Also he didn't defeat Whitebeard. It was the MHQ. Just the world may think sth different, but we know the truth :p

[senewe]

This is first time we can't go party after completion of the arc. because in OP there has to be a party after each arc, and I miss it. but that's why, ODA is genius...

[Organizized]

Hey everyone, can we consider Blackbeard as a Yonkou now that he has defeated Whitebeard?

What BlackHair said.

Plus, the term "yonkou" means "four emperors", and as Garp says here (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/07/), that means they are the four pirates who rule the New World as, well, emperors (or kings). Blackbeard hasn't even been to the New World with his new crew yet for all we know and he sure as hell isn't one of the pirates who rule it.

If he took control of huge part of the New World and ruled it as if it was his territory, that's when he might be considered one of the Yonkou. It's not just about killing off a previous one of the lot.

[hy4k]

It was preserve Ace and WB's dignity/honor : bury them properly.

that would make more sense, but again that's not what he says according to the onemanga translation

according to that he's basically ordering the assembled marines/pirates to do as he says in order to preserve his rep (presumably as a basass)

do you know which it is for sure?

as for what happens next i REALLY hope things go quiet for a while. that was the most intense arc ever

[erieru]

Wow, I have to say, I haven't made a post in nearly 4 years, but this arc was the most amazing, intense, well developed arc I've read in any manga. Can't wait to see what would Oda do to top this. One Piece is by far the best manga.
What I THINK will happen next? Jimbei will joing the SH's, just because he said that he will put his life to the line to protect Luffy (I don't think he 'just' said that thinking it was a one time deal), and also because he has already officially resigned to being a Shishibukai.
I THINK Rayleig will meet the rest of the crew in Shabaondy A. (They all have a piece of Rayleig's vibrecard, not Luffy's) They will then go meet Luffy in Law's submarine with the new Nakama somewhere away from Shabaondy A.

One last thing, I think Luffy will have a permanent scar from the last attack he got from Akainu, kinda like Zorro got his from Mihawk.

[WickedNeko]

On topic of Yonkous in the new world...

It seems more and more like Yonkous weren't "pirates" as much as "de facto lords / government" of nations that did not belong to the WG in the New World. With WB gone, I wonder if the territories that WB ruled over will remain under the rule of WB Pirates (or whatever they'll be called) or if the other emperors will absorb the territories.

[roguehuman]

Hm i feel like Jimbei going to join the crew for sure.
Now that luffy got away i wonder what is Bounty going to be?
Hope the crew gets back together sooner than late.

[Antares]

What I find interesting is that rockstar, a guy with a 94 mil bounty, is not even shown. He is practically a supernova -except for 6 mill- and he still was not shown among the important members of shanks crew. I guess someone of his level would have been just fodder among a small number of people who were willing to take any marine and pirate willing to fight them.

Rockstar, the guy with 94 million bounty, didn't stand out at all. It means he is an underling of the Red-Hair Pirates. That is the level of the underling in Shanks' crew.

Is Ben Beckman faster than light? That is the question i want to raise. :amuse

What the heck, Sengoku and Supersaiyan Blackbeard withdrawing after Shanks' challenge?

:darn
Red Hair is the shit.
:darn

[sarutobi_sensei]

what did shanks mean when he said this "will preserve my dignity"
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/580/12-13/
what does that mean i seriously cant understand that

Someone said a good explanation about it I kinda liked it.

it has to do with shanks arriving late to help WB because he was helping him via holding down kaidou.

But since he arrived late to the war he wasn't able to avoid his death, thus he is preserving his "face" by helping the remaining crew members escape alive.



It was preserve Ace and WB's dignity/honor : bury them properly.
It could also be that, since he then said he would take care of the burials and not allow them to be further humiliated.

[jaguar d soul]

i dont understand...
why bb dare to fight wb...
but when it comes to shank he retreat...:notrust
is shank stronger than wb?

[hy4k]

i dont understand...
why bb dare to fight wb...
but when it comes to shank he retreat...:notrust
is shank stronger than wb?

my understanding is that the red haired crew and whitebeard pirates are on the same level. and unlike shanks whitebeard

-was old and suffering health problems
-had been hit hundreds of times by various bullets/swords/attacks
-was alone

[BlackHair]

Well according to my understanding, the MHQ were exhausted, the WB pirates were exhausted and even the BB pirates were hurt. The Redhair pirates were healthy and ready to go. I think Shanks reputation for peace and stuff is not a unknown matter. BB and Sengoku were able to calm down because of theses things. Especially BB who would lose against so many high tiers (marines, wb pirates, red hair pirates). Not saying everyone would turn against him, but ppl of each forces would face BB.

Everyone except the WB pirates went crazy on this battlefield. The Marines who archived their goal were still lusting after blood (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/579/08-09/). BB who got WB's fruit was even asking for more (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/579/04-05/). Shanks with his peace nature+ kings haki+ healthy crew was able to bring them back. Shanks did threaten both sides, but as said, Shanks reputation should be no secret. I think everyone knew by just his presence that it was time to end this massacre. So I repeat once again, no one was in any way afraid to go against Red-Hair pirates. They just accepted the fact, that everyone got what they wanted (except WB pirates) and there is no need for more. <- Shanks own words. He was able to beat some human senses into those braid dead ppl on the battlefield.

PS: copy paste from a previous post of mine.

[hy4k]

Well according to my understanding, the MHQ were exhausted, the WB pirates were exhausted and even the BB pirates were hurt. The Redhair pirates were healthy and ready to go. I think Shanks reputation for peace and stuff is not a unknown matter. BB and Sengoku were able to calm down because of theses things. Especially BB who would lose against so many high tiers (marines, wb pirates, red hair pirates). Not saying everyone would turn against him, but ppl of each forces would face BB.

Everyone except the WB pirates went crazy on this battlefield. The Marines who archived their goal were still lusting after blood (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/579/08-09/). BB who got WB's fruit was even asking for more (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/579/04-05/). Shanks with his peace nature+ kings haki+ healthy crew was able to bring them back. Shanks did threaten both sides, but as said, Shanks reputation should be no secret. I think everyone knew by just his presence that it was time to end this massacre. So I repeat once again, no one was in any way afraid to go against Red-Hair pirates. They just accepted the fact, that everyone got what they wanted (except WB pirates) and there is no need for more. <- Shanks own words. He was able to beat some human senses into those braid dead ppl on the battlefield.

PS: copy paste from a previous post of mine.

I'd definitely disagree with that. I don't think that shanks is some natural drug that calms everyone around him. nor do i see him as as some peace loving hippy. he's just pragmatic and like you said he was healthy and fresh

the BB pirates were all ready to destroy the island and go to town on the marines, which by all accounts are pretty powerful. however BB explicitly said he "wasn't ready" for shanks so he knew he was outmatched

likweise the marines were alla bout pursuing justice and eliminating the "evil" known as piracy. as soon as the redhaired crew arrived they shit bricks and sengoku summarily agreed to a truce.

[chess4]

Yep.

I just remembered that someone somewhere else posted this earlier this week :
http://img27.imageshack.us/i/1270003045825.jpg/

I think it shows pretty well the evolution of the crew.

that picture on the left, does anyone know what its from?

[luffy_boy]

Hey everyone, can we consider Blackbeard as a Yonkou now that he has defeated Whitebeard?


Well it depends on how a Yonkou becomes a Yonkou.... Is it a title given by marines or a title given by the other Yonkou...

[deffkryz]

that picture on the left, does anyone know what its from?

Chapter 1, Romance Dawn - republished as color pic in... erm... was it Color Walk 1?

[chess4]

Chapter 1, Romance Dawn - republished as color pic in... erm... was it Color Walk 1?

oda is great...............to think he has had the red hairs pirates main crewman design in his head from the beginning

[BlackHair]

I don't think that shanks is some natural drug that calms everyone around him. There is this theory going around about kings haki which influences other. Example Luffy vs Motoroba or Luffy vs Snake Sisters. In both cases they did as Luffy asked/ordered them to, who was using the kings haki. Since Shanks is also using the kings haki, I was thinking about a connection. That's why I said: peace nature+ kings haki + healthy crew.


nor do i see him as as some peace loving hippy.He went to WB to stop Ace, since he predicted a upcoming big battle. He wanted to avoid that. Also in the very first chapter, he avoided the fight with the bandits. Adding his words on this battlefield "If this battle goes on any longer, it will only result in further meaningless casualties for both sides" Shanks is someone who only fights if it is necessary. So yes I him as as some peace loving hippy, not to be taken literally though.



however BB explicitly said he "wasn't ready" for shanks so he knew he was outmatched Outmatched yes, since 3 forces would face them.



as soon as the redhaired crew arrived they shit bricks and sengoku summarily agreed to a truce.Sengoku's words "Seeing as it's you... I will allow it. That after Shanks words and everything I wrote above. I just can't agree that Sengoku wet his pants seeing Shanks and his crew.

Anyway, Im just disagreeing with everyone who keeps saying it was just because of Shanks. It is becuase of everything.

[dark lord]

Well it depends on how a Yonkou becomes a Yonkou.... Is it a title given by marines or a title given by the other Yonkou...

marines call them yonkou they dont call themselvs that becayse there is only one title worth being given which is the pirate king .

[zerocooldx]

Well it depends on how a Yonkou becomes a Yonkou.... Is it a title given by marines or a title given by the other Yonkou...

Well i would assume that one way of becoming a Yonkou would be to directly take the title from an already existing Yonkou. Which is exactly what BB did when he and his crew killed/finished off WB. And even Shanks told WB that BB would be coming for his position (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-434/page011.html) one day. If there is one thing that we have learned about BB is that he is very tactical and meticulous. And thus far he has been climbing up the ladder of power rather quickly and effectively. He was a member of the WB pirates, then he created his own crew, then obtained the rank of Shichibukai, and now i think he wants to title of Yonkou. And for all we know he may have already gotten it after claiming victory over WB himself.

[Marche]

Shanks spoken of his title "stronger man in the world".

[BlackHair]

BB is that he is very tactical and meticulous.Stating BB a tactician is a disgrace to Sengoku and any other character who has shown to plan their steps.

You simply can't state some1 as a tactician who keeps babbling about fate and luck. BB is a opportunist. If he sees a chance he will take it. Anyway, my reasons (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1868363#post1868363) for why he can't be a Yonko.


Shanks spoken of his title "stronger man in the world".Are you saying he is the strongest man now? Im still with Garp/Sengoku.

[dark lord]

Well i would assume that one way of becoming a Yonkou would be to directly take the title from an already existing Yonkou. Which is exactly what BB did when he and his crew killed/finished off WB. And even Shanks told WB that BB would be coming for his position (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-434/page011.html) one day. If there is one thing that we have learned about BB is that he is very tactical and meticulous. And thus far he has been climbing up the ladder of power rather quickly and effectively. He was a member of the WB pirates, then he created his own crew, then obtained the rank of Shichibukai, and now i think he wants to title of Yonkou. And for all we know he may have already gotten it after claiming victory over WB himself.

are you saiying that BB is a yonkou i dont think so ,aybe after a while but WB was already dying so it just doesnt count .

[zerocooldx]

Stating BB a tactician is a disgrace to Sengoku and any other character who has shown to plan their steps.

You simply can't state some1 as a tactician who keeps babbling about fate and luck. BB is a opportunist. If he sees a chance he will take it. Anyway, my reasons (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1868363#post1868363) for why he can't be a Yonko.

Are you saying he is the strongest man now? Im still with Garp/Sengoku.

So BB has not shown any steps of planning? He just takes advantage of situations and nothing more? I mean it's not like he spent decades planning any of this from the very beginning or anything like that. He simply just stumbled right into it by pure lucky and fate coped with opportunity. :oh

[Organizized]

Well i would assume that one way of becoming a Yonkou would be to directly take the title from an already existing Yonkou. Which is exactly what BB did when he and his crew killed/finished off WB. And even Shanks told WB that BB would be coming for his position (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-434/page011.html) one day. If there is one thing that we have learned about BB is that he is very tactical and meticulous. And thus far he has been climbing up the ladder of power rather quickly and effectively. He was a member of the WB pirates, then he created his own crew, then obtained the rank of Shichibukai, and now i think he wants to title of Yonkou. And for all we know he may have already gotten it after claiming victory over WB himself.

I've already said some on this subject, but...

It doesn't make sense that he could achieve Yonkou status, meaning the status of "one of the four pirates who rule the New World" by defeating Whitebeard even though he isn't one of the pirates who rule the New World and isn't even known to hang around in the New World since he got his own crew (as far as we know, anyway).

Whitebeard had territories and shit, islands under his command, ruling as an emperor in the second half of the Grand Line because that's what Yonkou do. (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/07/) Until Blackbeard actually starts doing stuff like that, he won't be considered one of the Yonkou, just the one who delivered the finishing blow on a weakened, half dead old guy who already had his mind set for dying in the battle.

That's my view on it, anyway.

[zerocooldx]

I've already said some on this subject, but...

It doesn't make sense that he could achieve Yonkou status, meaning the status of "one of the four pirates who rule the New World" by defeating Whitebeard even though he isn't one of the pirates who rule the New World and isn't even known to hang around in the New World since he got his own crew (as far as we know, anyway).

Whitebeard had territories and shit, islands under his command, ruling as an emperor in the second half of the Grand Line because that's what Yonkou do. (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/07/) Until Blackbeard actually starts doing stuff like that, he won't be considered one of the Yonkou, just the one who delivered the finishing blow on a weakened, half dead old guy who already had his mind set for dying in the battle.

That's my view on it, anyway.

I doubt there is a requirement for becoming a Yonkou, such as you need to be in the NW for x number of years and hold some type of territory and etc. And even if there is BB had spend 20+ years in WB's crew so i'm positive he knows the ins and outs of the NW. One of the best if not only ways that i can see someone becoming a Yonkou is by taking that title from an existing Yonkou. I seriously doubt that pirates get together and hold meetings to elect leaders and etc. I mean we are talking about pirates here, basically no rules apply. And if anything this is one of those situations where you clam what you kill. And even thought BB did kill an injured and weakened WB, its just like Shanks said pirates don't play by the rules. So BB gaining power may not be accomplished though likable methods, but thats really irrelevant when compared to the set precedents for how pirates operate.

[hy4k]

Anyway, Im just disagreeing with everyone who keeps saying it was
just because of Shanks. It is becuase of everything.

i agree with that. they'd just fought a major war and the red haired crew showed up. it'd be like defeating whitebeard's crew and another younger whitebeard without any health problems turns up fully rested with his crew

never mind the whole blackbeard nonsense and the remnants of whitebeard's crew, ivankov, crocodile and mihawks refusal to fight.

haki doesn't seem to have any calming influence, but who knows? the thing with hancock's sisters seemed to be more out of shock though.

[sage mode]

I think that the Younkou are the 4 most formidable Pirates among the Pirates himself.No Pirate would Fight against Them

[TonyTonyChopper]

not really, WB is one of the Yunkou, but everybody wants to kill him, including Buggy and Crocoboy.We dont really know, why everybody scared when Shanks appeared. I dont think Shanks is stronger than WB cause we know that before this, WB is the strongest pirate.

[Razh]

I seriously doubt that pirates get together and hold meetings to elect leaders and etc. I mean we are talking about pirates here, basically no rules apply.

Why complicate things? The WG just decided to call the most powerful pirates in New World Emperors, and accidentally, there's 4 of them. There could have been 2 that were stronger than others, or 3 or 7.

Point is, Blackbeard won't be called an emperor just like that, especially since any of the remaining Emperors would obliterate him and his little crew.
Simply put, it's manpower. In order to be Whitebeard's competition, other Emperors also needed to have their own allies and affiliated crews.
Nobody who has a crew of 10 can hope to rule anything.

[dark lord]

i guess it gets a little too annoying talking about something thats been discussed for like a hundreds of times if anyone wants to talk about the yonkou you should go here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41251)

back on topic

so what do you guys think about hanckok i mean does she intend to take luffy with here back to the island or is she actually not trusting law i mean he seems fishy though or hanckok could ve known something about him may be he intends to kill luffy .

[zerocooldx]

Why complicate things? The WG just decided to call the most powerful pirates in New World Emperors, and accidentally, there's 4 of them. There could have been 2 that were stronger than others, or 3 or 7.

Point is, Blackbeard won't be called an emperor just like that, especially since any of the remaining Emperors would obliterate him and his little crew.
Simply put, it's manpower. In order to be Whitebeard's competition, other Emperors also needed to have their own allies and affiliated crews.
Nobody who has a crew of 10 can hope to rule anything.

Well that is where this war comes into play. BB will most definitely have a ton of "allies" lined up right now. Especially those that hated WB and those who hate the WG. The guy knows what he is doing and he may act like a fool, but he is far from it. BB is climbing up the ladder quickly. The war may be over, but his "time" is just beginning it seems.

[Schabrak]

That does not make any sense dark lord.^^ Why would he help Luffy, if he intended to kill him later on? Luffy will die without his help anyway, it's not like he would withstand another hormon help from Iva in such a state.

Hancock probably just wants to be near Luffy, the only reason she went to MF was because of him, so there is no reason to stay there right now.

The enemy of the enemy isn't always your friend in One Piece. Many pirates hate Whitebeard for stopping and defeating them in the New World, while rampaging, raiding isles. Croc did hate him too, doesn't make him an ally to BB does it?

[TonyTonyChopper]

Law, he is a smart guy, he is not like Kid, he will not choose this way to kill Luffy, but we dont know yet why he help Luffy

I think Hancock with fight with Law, and she will turn Law to rock, as a result, one Luffy's competitor is down.. hohoho...

[jiminy]

i think law has a brighter future than turning into stone by Hancock. I also dont think that Hancock is able to get to Luffy.

Hancock may appear on the covers and Oda details the adventures she has on the marines ships searching for Luffy. That would be pretty cool and funny imo.

[glusa]

Would Hancock disease show up again or she's over it? There has to be a condition for curing it...maybe a child :D I can't imagine the faces of SH crew when they see small Luffy terrorizing the women island!

As story goes I'd like Boa to join SH but I don't think she will find them! On contrary I think that AL will have some problems after this war and that Luffy will come to aid.

[dark lord]

That does not make any sense dark lord.^^ Why would he help Luffy, if he intended to kill him later on? Luffy will die without his help anyway, it's not like he would withstand another hormon help from Iva in such a state.


i know it doesnt make sense thats why i said it it served its purpose .

but i dont like this worrying hanckok i mean just days ago they were enemies she didnt see his crew she doesnt know him fully well . while law saw enough to judge his personality .

[Auditore]

It would be nice if Hencock would join the Strawhats because after this arc i think Luffy and the story will become darker and Hencock would bring in some jokes like :

Luffy doing some shit , Nami punches him and Hencock gets mad and punch Nami or something

If there is a timeskip then BB will become Yonkou for sure.

[Poneglyph420]

It's pretty clear that Boa is Madly in love with Luffy and acting out of concern more than anything. It's likely like "the Bugster" has said earlier she will likely be called back or reprimanded for acting on her own volition..
Or this could be the action that "redeems" her in the eyes of the WG..

Either way it's unlikely this will persist and that upon pursuit she will join Luffy for his journey...
He'd prolly not allow her to join knowing that she has so many waiting and depending on her in AL. Also I'd expect a more mature Luffy after this Coma/ Timeskip.. whatever it is...

And IMO Luffy and Law being together is major foreshadowing of two sympathetic rivals in the NW... Highly doubt Law's the kinda guy who'd cross someone he's said he'd help.... It's also the duty of the doctor (The Hippocratic Oath)

I wanna see the Gorousei and their pissed in pants...

[ArchitectOFate]

Is any1 else hoping that at the end of this war Sengoku gets a Den-Den call from dragon informing that he has kidnapped the Gorousei while he was busy fighting WB?

[urlaub]

It's pretty clear that Boa is Madly in love with Luffy and acting out of concern more than anything. It's likely like "the Bugster" has said earlier she will likely be called back or reprimanded for acting on her own volition..
Or this could be the action that "redeems" her in the eyes of the WG..

Either way it's unlikely this will persist and that upon pursuit she will join Luffy for his journey...
He'd prolly not allow her to join knowing that she has so many waiting and depending on her in AL.

The second part is doubtable, but the first part may well be. At least I got my little triumph on the way. I imagine that Boa could be there until Luffy wakes. That seems like a logical possibility. But then again, if Luffy is inb coma until the fishman island arc, then she will leave earlier. Probably is called back by the marines to report in and then she has to decide to brake or make it.
These are though days for the 'boa-join fraction'. Let's keep our head high!
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Is any1 else hoping that at the end of this war Sengoku gets a Den-Den call from dragon informing that he has kidnapped the Gorousei while he was busy fighting WB?

Yep your the only one. I bet it didn't come to you as a surprise.

[Poneglyph420]

Is any1 else hoping that at the end of this war Sengoku gets a Den-Den call from dragon informing that he has kidnapped the Gorousei while he was busy fighting WB?

Not so much..
I do however hope Sengoku gets a call from the Gorousei infroming him that his services are no longer needed.

As for the Boa will join faction members.....

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Boa as a crew member, but what about AL??? I'd suspect now that both Smoker and Sentoumaru have seen Boa act contrary to her title, she's gonna be needed at home.
I also remember when Margaret invited Luffy and his crew back to AL...
Maybe it's when the SH bring her home.... Who knows...

But IMO Boa is a better Vivi than Robin.....

[BlackHair]

So BB has not shown any steps of planning? He just takes advantage of situations and nothing more? I mean it's not like he spent decades planning any of this from the very beginning or anything like that. He simply just stumbled right into it by pure lucky and fate coped with opportunity. :ohYou called him a tactician, now let me explain why I strongly disagree: BB was waiting for years behind WB for the darkness fruit. After that he wanted to get into ID to recruit new member, for which he needed the Shichi status. His next step was to take down WB to get his fruit, how he originally wanted to do that is still a mystery. Anyways, are you considering this a master plan? Does he rly need to be addressed as a tactican? I fail to see the great IQ behind this plan.

Now if you are considering anyone a tactician who could come up with a plan, then Luffy would be also one.

BB was lucky as he met Ace. He was lucky that there was a uproar in ID to survive Magellan. Im not saying he didn't planed his steps, but honestly his plan is no masterpiece.. Someone who relies on luck and talks about fate is no tactician in my eyes.

[shluffy]

Guys remember Gol D. Roger had a son, Portgas D. Ace. To have a son you need a woman. We have seen Luffy follow in the same footsteps as the Pirate King. It's possible later on Luffy will have a son with Boa Hancock and he will pass on the next generation to him.

[hy4k]

Now if you are considering anyone a tactician who could come up with a plan, then Luffy would be also one.

BB was lucky as he met Ace. He was lucky that there was a uproar in ID to survive Magellan. Im not saying he didn't planed his steps, but honestly his plan is no masterpiece.. Someone who relies on luck and talks about fate is no tactician in my eyes.

his plans often go awry and he's very lucky, but blackbeard still has plans. they've helped him achieve a lot so far but i wouldn't call him some sort of tactician

that said luffy could learn a lot from blackbeard, and his own crew. peopple like nami, robin and usopp are very smart and they were invaluable during the G8 arc (stull my favourite filler). if luffy thought things through more and consulted his crew he'd be unstoppable

[jiminy]

but thats why we like luffy's character so much. He doesnt think things through and is sort of reckless. Thats his appeal. But in that sense, I do agree that a little planning could really help his crew. But they dont necessarily want to be unstoppable, only powerful enough to protect their nakama and have a fun adventure.

[zerocooldx]

You called him a tactician, now let me explain why I strongly disagree: BB was waiting for years behind WB for the darkness fruit. After that he wanted to get into ID to recruit new member, for which he needed the Shichi status. His next step was to take down WB to get his fruit, how he originally wanted to do that is still a mystery. Anyways, are you considering this a master plan? Does he rly need to be addressed as a tactican? I fail to see the great IQ behind this plan.

Now if you are considering anyone a tactician who could come up with a plan, then Luffy would be also one.

BB was lucky as he met Ace. He was lucky that there was a uproar in ID to survive Magellan. Im not saying he didn't planed his steps, but honestly his plan is no masterpiece.. Someone who relies on luck and talks about fate is no tactician in my eyes.

Someone who had just pulled off everything you listed is indeed a pretty good tactician. And if all of that does not equate to planning then i don't know what does. Also Ace fell into BB's lap and he decided to take him in over Luffy, who has his original target. But either way BB has going to get the title of Shichibukai through either Ace or Luffy. The only real "luck" that i have seen in BB's plans was when he and his crew were saved by Shiryuu. But then again that could have been just for plot development purposes so that Shiryuu would join BB more then anything else. Either way BB clearly pulled the wool over countless people such as WB and Sengoku. And doing something like that doesn't simply happen by "luck". You may not like his character and the way he behaves, but the guy is incredibly deceptive and intelligent. Which is what really makes him dangerous.