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from : 2ch ohana




ツナ　え～マフィアだったの？

エンマ　聞かれなかったから言わなかった～～～

リボーン　でも超弱小ファミリーだ～～～

獄寺　継承式って？～～～～～

ツナ　リボーンのたわごと～～～～


ツナ夢は京子ちゃんと結婚すること～～～
放課後、どうしようか考えてると
ボロボロのエンマ『逃げちゃえば？　力を持つとみんな使いたくなるでしょ～～～』

エンマ帰る
ツナ『いやなら逃げよう…』

境内屋根から『許さないわよ』スマッシュリボーン
リボーン　継承式を狙って反対勢力が日本に向かってる～～～
そこに敵が来る。

ツナ、スーパーツナにある。


955 ：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2010/04 /14(水) 20:26:47 ID:3b7n+uYyP
呼ばれてるファミリー
トラッド6　モウコレイレイ兄弟　　ギークファミリー

継承納得いかない反対勢力ファミリーと喧嘩になるっぽい

諮問ファミリーは超弱小だから危険に巻き込まれないように
面倒見てやっッてくれ　BY9代目


957 ：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2010/04 /14(水) 20:27:54 ID:3b7n+uYyP
ヴァリアーは関係ない。
反対勢力ではない。
[hr]
by purrmew on BA


Tsuna : What? Are they Mafias?

Enma : I didn't say that because you didn't ask

Reborn : But they are really small family.

Gokudera : What's Succession Ceremony?

Tsuna : It's just Reborn's silly words

Tsuna's dream is getting married with Kyoko.
After the school, Tsuna is thinking about 'what he can do' and worn-out Enma appreared and says, 'If you don't like it, you can run away. If you have power, you want to use it'

Tsuna : Run away cause I don't like it.... , after Enma leave.

Reborn smashed Tsuna "I can't allow that!'

Reborn said opposing forces will come to Japan.

And opponent came, so Tsuna became Hyper mode.[hr]
the second part

There's new character's face. He is the cloud type and a hitman who hired from somebody else.
He doesn't look like human being, but he is.

And there's other family who invited.

Trad 6, Moukoreyrey Brothers(?), Gik Family(?)

There will be conflict with opponent forces, and The 9th requested 'Simon Family is small, so please protect them not to related to conflict.'

Opponet Forces are nothing to do with Varia.

[•Sasuke•]

from : 2ch ohana




ツナ　え～マフィアだったの？

エンマ　聞かれなかったから言わなかった～～～

リボーン　でも超弱小ファミリーだ～～～

獄寺　継承式って？～～～～～

ツナ　リボーンのたわごと～～～～


ツナ夢は京子ちゃんと結婚すること～～～
放課後、どうしようか考えてると
ボロボロのエンマ『逃げちゃえば？　力を持つとみんな使いたくなるでしょ～～～』

エンマ帰る
ツナ『いやなら逃げよう…』

境内屋根から『許さないわよ』スマッシュリボーン
リボーン　継承式を狙って反対勢力が日本に向かってる～～～
そこに敵が来る。

ツナ、スーパーツナにある。





955 ：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2010/04 /14(水) 20:26:47 ID:3b7n+uYyP
呼ばれてるファミリー
トラッド6　モウコレイレイ兄弟　　ギークファミリー

継承納得いかない反対勢力ファミリーと喧嘩になるっぽい

諮問ファミリーは超弱小だから危険に巻き込まれないように
面倒見てやっッてくれ　BY9代目



957 ：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2010/04 /14(水) 20:27:54 ID:3b7n+uYyP
ヴァリアーは関係ない。
反対勢力ではない。

[hr]
by purrmew on BA


Tsuna : What? Are they Mafias?

Enma : I didn't say that because you didn't ask

Reborn : But they are really small family.

Gokudera : What's Succession Ceremony?

Tsuna : It's just Reborn's silly words

Tsuna's dream is getting married with Kyoko.
After the school, Tsuna is thinking about 'what he can do' and worn-out Enma appreared and says, 'If you don't like it, you can run away. If you have power, you want to use it'

Tsuna : Run away cause I don't like it.... , after Enma leave.

Reborn smashed Tsuna "I can't allow that!'

Reborn said opposing forces will come to Japan.

And opponent came, so Tsuna became Hyper mode.
[hr]
the second part

There's new character's face. He is the cloud type and a hitman who hired from somebody else.
He doesn't look like human being, but he is.

And there's other family who invited.

Trad 6, Moukoreyrey Brothers(?), Gik Family(?)

There will be conflict with opponent forces, and The 9th requested 'Simon Family is small, so please protect them not to related to conflict.'

Opponet Forces are nothing to do with Varia.

[moonueki21]

I can't believe that Shimon Family needs to be protected... they seem to be a strong group of individuals, but then, the fights between the mafia gets the stories more interesting. And those 7 days will be really, really hard for them.

I guess the innocent ones will now get involved like Nana and Tsuyoshi.

[Hyper_Wolfy]

More fight with Mafia,that's what we need, a Cloud character interesting !
So couple of us was right about them need protection. Opposing forces (against) Tsuna will need to show them power (Guessed right by us again).7 seven days of fights in Namimori (atleast a few days before they go tp italy :D,It will be exciting. to see how they fight and how they gunna cover up (or be find out by others (hana or nana) guess They need helps from haru & kyoko to help aswell. major developements at the same time.

[daman246]

now this is more like it cloud fighters are probably one of the hardest to fight against including hibari cause his the 2nd strongest in teh vongola family yamamoto after that but seems like quite a good chapter

[Umashin]

well i guess none of the other families got the memo about tsuna saving the world, space time continueum AND defeating what was essentially the strongest being in the world at the time...would make me think twice before i start shit lol

[sarutobi_sensei]

Sooooooo, they're good guys after all :D Nice :D More allies :D

I wonder if the assassin will use box weapons, he shouldn't but it's possible.

And Tsuna goes Hyper Tsuna again x)

[Shake]

Why do they need to be protected? Is it a part of the inheritence test? They are able to protect themselves, Enma showed he's in possesion of a ring and Adelheid used a flame during her skirmish with Hibari. There must be something more about that family :)

[frozen18ice]

mybe just like the vongola that they have the role to protect a time line of the past to the future from who ever wants to change the order the shinom family has a role that is not as big in the mafia but also important.

[AutumnRain]

interesting... so Shimon's somewhat on the good side at the very least. And here I though they're there to protect Vongola X's family, but it's the other way around @_@


Why do they need to be protected? Is it a part of the inheritence test? They are able to protect themselves, Enma showed he's in possesion of a ring and Adelheid used a flame during her skirmish with Hibari. There must be something more about that family :)

I quite agree... Flames, eh... maybe they're one of the few families who knows about the secret of rings & flames? :blink but it could be something more... and that small size could probably mean they don't want to stand out...

[nydnell18]

i see it like this if the small shimon family has rings and can use flames then most likely there are larger families who can do the same and may want more rings...so who do large families steal from to get more rings the smaller families so they need protection

[ca12nag3]

well it seems likely now that the little scardycat kid is their boss after all? Just since they are somewhat (losers) they have no respect for him?
Also they moved here due to a earthquake right? < no earthquake but perhaps an attack on them?

[Shake]

well it seems likely now that the little scardycat kid is their boss after all? Just since they are somewhat (losers) they have no respect for him?
Also they moved here due to a earthquake right? < no earthquake but perhaps an attack on them?

The earthquake was caused by the arcabaleno ( if I recall right). This so the Vongola's disaperance was not noticed.

[Hyper_Wolfy]

^ Earthquake caused by Arcobaleno and who dissapeared? Did I miss something. To The Shimon family is like Posseses a powerful secret weapon. We probaly see a friendship developing between Enma and Tsuna ( Yaoi alerts) And everyone forming bonds. They form Alliance etc. But more and more likely this is a test and for Tsuna to show his powers to other families and be recognize as Judaime.I think Reborn know this too now and just playing along.

[RAFAT9]

This chapter seems like its going to be good.

it seems they are going on a more subtle way with the Shimon's importance which is ok but once again may easily drag.

Hopefully we get a nice and short exposistion on the Cloud user and why hes a cloud user.

[hhv94]

Interesting twist on this one. It's hard to figure out who the real enemy is in this one. Looking forward to reading it. :)

[TheFinalAlice]

I can't believe that Shimon Family needs to be protected... they seem to be a strong group of individuals, but then, the fights between the mafia gets the stories more interesting. And those 7 days will be really, really hard for them.

I guess the innocent ones will now get involved like Nana and Tsuyoshi.

It's about time the civilians got involved. There's only so much one can do to hide a mafia in a small town like Namimori.

Ever wonder... if the Shinom family was German? Suzuki's last name strikes me as German... If that's so, our Italian mafias will have roots in Germany and Japan... Making Axis Famiglias..... o/O!

[R4n]

KHR characters' nationality are vague from the beginning. Better don't take it seriously :p

[Xerous]

awww what a tease can't believe it ended like that i want some team-up action next week

[Yoku 911]

http://www.4shared.com/file/nX64-sXR/khREBORN.html -286

[R4n]

^ The scanlation's fast this week. Thanks to the scanlators :tem

Amano-sensei, just how many characters are you planning to cram into this arc...? :notrust
The Russian family reminds me of the long-limbed creeps from Mukuro arc.
Since the Triad is coming, i wonder if they have anything to do with Fon? :D

[moonueki21]

I love the current happenings in the chapter.. more action and being more mafia-like...
I mean, there will be more people and families involved than the future...

At Tsuna and Enma's conversation, I got this feeling that Enma was the most powerful one in the Shimon Family. His way of thinking is similar to Tsuna's but I sense that in a way, he was the more pessimistic one since he actually thought of running away rather than Tsuna... I don't know but I just feel it that way.

The Russian Family is the one to be watched out since Gokudera knew about them.
I want to see the other arcobalenos in this arc... especially Fon and Verde...

[AutumnRain]

So for 7 days of mafia fighting... with all that number of mafia coming to Japan, should we start to expect more civilians to get involved now? ...and Tsuna... You've got to accept it already that you're going to become a mafia boss :S Hmm... something big would be happening for him to accept being a boss.... Kyoko-chan getting involved perhaps? Anyways, an assassin popping out who knew how to use flames... makes me feel kinda weird that even Varia doesn't know about it :S

I wonder what happened to Longchamp... he should have received news about the inheritance too right? I was already imagining him bugging Tsuna >.>

edit: Something's confusing me too... the inheritance ceremony will be held in Japan?... Well, families are coming to Japan for the inheritance, right? or did they just come there to have a good look at the next Vongola boss first? @_@

[Hyper_Wolfy]

So vongolas have the power that much across the world :o Assasins will come after Tsuna one by one . This is purely exciting Vongola members from another place attacking all at once. We are so excited.I Hate the last page Hyper mode was edge to a small pannel.Kick his ass Tsuna :) Flame battles more to come.I Guess some of them invited probaly secrely plot to Interupt aswell.
Tsuna and co will get even more power perfect, we can see another Arc after this xD

I Predict KYOKO GETS KIDNAPPED! Tsuna need to go and save her and be back on time for the Ceremony.Shows up at the last minute :)

[sarutobi_sensei]

Nice chapter. Lol @ Tsuna thinking about running away and reborn appears in his Girl Tennis Player outift xD

The guy was huge, he probably doesn't know how to control the flames.

Probably one of the reason they are weak is because they aren't united in the same way Tsuna's family is.

Can't wait to see them training together x)

Wow, assassins coming from all over the world? Tsuna is going to have trouble xD

Why was reborn worried about Tsuna going into Hyper Mode? It's not like he was a lot of time without doing it. Plus, Tsuna wouldn't forget how to fight.

Oh wait, I just thought about something. What if Tsuna is somehow shaken because of Byakuran's death?

Anyway, next chapter should show some more progress.
[hr]



I Predict KYOKO GETS KIDNAPPED! Tsuna need to go and save her and be back on time for the Ceremony.Shows up at the last minute :)
:O I would love that. And then everyone would acknowledge his power x)

[LilaChan]

I also agree that Kyoko would be a Mary Sue and get kipnapped. Even Amano shown us Tsuna wanting to marry Kyoko already. Kyoko always been the default female character, I'm not bothered whether she becomes Tsuna's weak point or something. In general, Tsuna's friends is his weak point.

This is getting more mafia like. Looks like box weapons are out, specialised rings are in. Hopfully the fights now would be a mixture of Varia arc and Future arc.

How did Tsuna's feet stick to the tree and allow him to stand up side down? His DWF is is flowing upwards meaning he should be accerlating to the ground. Bleh...not that KHR ever made sense with physics.

[Shake]

How did Tsuna's feet stick to the tree and allow him to stand up side down? His DWF is is flowing upwards meaning he should be accerlating to the ground. Bleh...not that KHR ever made sense with physics.

Tsuna did this trick more than once, as a future maffia boss he can ignore laws, even the ones of physics ;)

The assasin is not out of control, cloud flame users are known to propergate things including their bodies. Still with the pointy ears the man looks like an ogre.

Enma will join in with Tsuna's battle, I think, showing the real power of the Shinom family.

off topic: Does anyone know what "Shinom" means? It could help with predicting their future role.

[dbgohan08]

also does tsuna still use the blue pills and it was off-panel? or did he go hyper by himself?

[Hyper_Wolfy]

Reborn mention before to be in Hyper mode by will,you need high Staminas.I thinks thats what Reborn was worried about at the last page.Taking blue pills means forcing to emit flames, So i hope he reallywent hyper mode by himself.

All this fights probaly be very violence foring tsuna to taint in blood and finnaly acepts hes a mafia booss.

[hdiuy]

Its interesting that it was mentioned that the Shimon family is weak. However i don't think that it is the case though. I guess its time KHR start setting up some powerful rival families, hopefully these assasins would be interesting. The 3 families mentioned seems interesting.

[Zehahaha]

Its interesting that it was mentioned that the Shimon family is weak. However i don't think that it is the case though. I guess its time KHR start setting up some powerful rival families, hopefully these assasins would be interesting. The 3 families mentioned seems interesting.

Normally, no one should be able to rivalise with Tusna and his family anymore, due to the new form of the rings, and their fighting experience (fighting against opponents in the future). So, if a family appear and then rivalise with Tsuna and his friends, not only the credibility of the power of Tsuna would be questionned, but Byakuran and all the guys in the future too... Which is unthinkable, and then we would think just how the hell did he beat all the Mafia in the future even if he knew about their fighting skills and stuff.

[hdiuy]

Normally, no one should be able to rivalise with Tusna and his family anymore, due to the new form of the rings, and their fighting experience (fighting against opponents in the future). So, if a family appear and then rivalise with Tsuna and his friends, not only the credibility of the power of Tsuna would be questionned, but Byakuran and all the guys in the future too... Which is unthinkable, and then we would think just how the hell did he beat all the Mafia in the future even if he knew about their fighting skills and stuff.

My bad perhaps i should elaborate. I meant that its time that families that were rivals of Vongola (Before the 10th family)were being revealed. And not that they would be able to fight the current Vongola (the 10th family)equally. There has to be like some no.2 mafia powerhouse that rivals the Vongola family or something

[garf03]

a good chapter and gokuderas tear where just plain fun!!!! xDDD, BTW: i worried about reborn statement "is the 1st time tsuna goes int ohypermode since coming back from future" meaby tsunas is gonna get his ass kicked cause in this time hi doesnt have the resolve to fight that he had in the future, there he was fighting to protect, here he doenst even want to fight!!!, BTW reborn was the one who put tsuna in hypermode, in the last page u can see him with a gun and the after-shot smoke coming from the barrel, now, i wanna se how the new box weapon/ring works, meaby just have to imput flames on the ring and done, nuts to the rescue D:, BTE, who thinks that Enma have an hyper mode too ???

[moonueki21]

there are some things that makes me wonder in this chapter...

1. How did the Ninth knew about their fight with Byakuran? (Well, one reason could be Reborn, or his intuition had worked in a sense)

2. How come were the flames were used in a proficient level in this period. (Weird, considering that in TYL, they had used boxes and flames very proficiently in battle, and in this period, there were some families that exploited the full capacity of the flames... However, this could be explained somehow by Dino's knowledge about the flames and teaching it to Hibari... (this could be a time discrepancy issue... just my opinion)

[Oni_James]

1. How did the Ninth knew about their fight with Byakuran? (Well, one reason could be Reborn, or his intuition had worked in a sense)
It seems we need some... flashback! xD (http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/282/13/) Dino's face is the only one like "OMG! i did battle that lizard thing but got lamely defeated while Hibari defeated him in a moment."
Nice chapter, even if I was expecting the ceremony in Italy, instead of a non-mafia-like environment. Now we know some other international mafias that may strike Vongola

[Himeyuka]

there are some things that makes me wonder in this chapter...

1. How did the Ninth knew about their fight with Byakuran? (Well, one reason could be Reborn, or his intuition had worked in a sense)

Before they left Tsuna said that the Arcobaleno informed the ones from the past about their fight with Byakuran and they showed Mukuro, Xanxus and Dino. So, either Nono was informed as well or Dino told him about it.


I also agree that Kyoko would be a Mary Sue and get kipnapped. Even Amano shown us Tsuna wanting to marry Kyoko already. Kyoko always been the default female character, I'm not bothered whether she becomes Tsuna's weak point or something. In general, Tsuna's friends is his weak point.

Nuuu! LOL This would be horrible actually. I really hope Amano-san didn't think of such a cliche plot. >3<
Then again this isn't the first time Kyoko was used in order to hurt Tsuna. Birds sent those two criminals to kill Kyoko and Haru if Tsuna didn't agree to play his game but Reborn predicted this might happen and had Dr.Shamal, I-Pin and Lambo watch over them. I think he'll probably do the same this time as well.

Talking about Haru, am I the only one who's bothered over the fact that she has yet to make an appearance or at least be mentioned? :I She's practically Tsuna's #1 stalker, I find it weird that she hasn't come looking for him yet.

This chapter was pretty awesome. I liked how Reborn was his usual uncaring self and said that the Shimon family were weak and small xD. It's pretty clear that Adelheid and Koyo were quite bothered by it. This is probably why they don't like Enma and don't respect him as a leader, because they want to be a strong and powerful family again and Enma doesn't seem to share their goals.

[Benedetti]

I can already see some rivalry between Varia and the Giegue Family, to know what are the strongest Assassin group around.

I love Tsuna's "there's no escape" faces in this chapter..:crying

Kyoko-chan is cute in a wedding dress.. but why not imagining her like she will be in the future?

Yep, Shimon and Vongola are close since a very long time.. I think these members will bring the name of the Family on the top once again. I hope so.

[Oni_James]

Kyoko-chan is cute in a wedding dress.. but why not imagining her like she will be in the future?
lol, I thought the same, it's like if "Tsuna wants Kyoko marry him NOW:mad" xD
Have been thinking and actually Reborn may be right on Shimon being a weak famiglia, there's to point out, none of them have noticed Reborn is a baby that can speak because he is an arcobaleno. That or he's teasing them to make them show their real power.

[hdiuy]

The huge cloud dude reminds me of the twins. I'm pretty sure that he will be fodder to Tsuna. But i get a feeling that we will get a surprise next week.

It seems we need some... flashback! xD (http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/282/13/)
But wasn't the 9th dead?

[Oni_James]

The huge cloud dude reminds me of the twins. I'm pretty sure that he will be fodder to Tsuna. But i get a feeling that we will get a surprise next week.
Huge dude seems to me more like Iris death stalk squad to me, but that would mean he's being controlled by someone else, it's probable that he isn't alone, but i don't think he's being controlled.

But wasn't the 9th dead?More flashback! xD (http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/21/)

[Hyper_Wolfy]

^he 9th isnt dead in the past,Shamal should be coming back.Mukuro chances is here,Hibari will jump up and down in joy.

Tsuna and co will be force to kill People -is that or they love one dies- So that giant need to die or burn alive. time to spill some blood Tsuna. Trad 6,Lei Lei brothers,Giegue Family, all look like trouble makers.I am getting the idea 7 days of battles than a big mafia war like (one piece) at the ceremony.

Omg What are the chances that ginger bread will show up as a Hired Assasin :o

[R4n]

More flashback! xD (http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/21/)

pre and post tyl arc he still doesn't want to be a mafia. I guess the TYL experience only strengthen his resolve of not wanting to be an underworld boss. ^^;
he probably doesn't want Kyouko to be the mafia boss wife as well

[Crude]

I'm thinking this arc will be a little like the Konoha Invasion arc in Naruto. In other words the Shimon Family will betray the Vongola just as Hidden Sand betrayed Hidden Leaf. Hidden Sand and the Shimon Family are similar in terms of the situation.

[Zatono]

I'm thinking this arc will be a little like the Konoha Invasion arc in Naruto. In other words the Shimon Family will betray the Vongola just as Hidden Sand betrayed Hidden Leaf. Hidden Sand and the Shimon Family are similar in terms of the situation.

Sure, in terms of the situation, but not in terms of strength at all. Reborn said it himself, the Shimon family is weak. Next chapter I'm sure we're going to see Enma being all surprised at Tsuna's power, and his weapons, etc. Considering Nuts came along, I'm sure he's going to be used soon.

[RAFAT9]

This chapter was a little off. its sets up a little too much which isnt that good.
Showing all the rival families now was kinda a waste. they could have easily have taht after this fight which would have added much more suspense to it.

The only fault i find about this chapter is that it seems the whole interaction between the Shimon and Vongola after they learn this info. The fault is that there is none. its kinda like "Ya huge super event that will shake the foundation of the mafia world is coming up, better not talk about it."

[Youth Explodes!]

This manga doesn't make any sense anymore: Byakuran was supposed to be the ruler of the underground world in the future, ergo he had defeated all the mafia bosses around the planet. But Tsuna beat Byakuran. Which means that Tsuna is de facto stronger than any of the new families' bosses. The manga should have ended after the future arc, or changed its nature. Like this, as I say, it doesn't make any sense. It would be like continuing the Naruto manga after Naruto becomes hokage. Meh.

[Zatono]

There are people here who make the argument that the only reason Byakuran was able to defeat extremely powerful people was because he had info on everything about them prior to fighting them, thanks to his special ability.

I agree with you fully though, there's shouldn't be anyone who can take Tsuna at this point.

[xvongola]

This manga doesn't make any sense anymore: Byakuran was supposed to be the ruler of the underground world in the future, ergo he had defeated all the mafia bosses around the planet. But Tsuna beat Byakuran. Which means that Tsuna is de facto stronger than any of the new families' bosses. The manga should have ended after the future arc, or changed its nature. Like this, as I say, it doesn't make any sense. It would be like continuing the Naruto manga after Naruto becomes hokage. Meh.

Well, i dont think so, byakuran was the ruler ´cuz he knew everithing about his enemies, but what if there were stronger people but they could´nt do anything ´cuz that, think about it!

it´s like having the answers for an exam before doin it, if u use them u won´t be the intelligent one, just the luckiest!

[sarutobi_sensei]

This manga doesn't make any sense anymore: Byakuran was supposed to be the ruler of the underground world in the future, ergo he had defeated all the mafia bosses around the planet. But Tsuna beat Byakuran. Which means that Tsuna is de facto stronger than any of the new families' bosses. The manga should have ended after the future arc, or changed its nature. Like this, as I say, it doesn't make any sense. It would be like continuing the Naruto manga after Naruto becomes hokage. Meh.

He was able to defeat them all, because of his special power. He knew the weakness's of everyone anywhere. He could gather intel from all the other worlds. That's why he was able to rule it.


There are people here who make the argument that the only reason Byakuran was able to defeat extremely powerful people was because he had info on everything about them prior to fighting them, thanks to his special ability.

I agree with you fully though, there's shouldn't be anyone who can take Tsuna at this point.

Who says that it isn't? Maybe the Ceremony is to end the series?
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Hopefully it won't be over cause we still have many secrets to be revealed. The cervello's, Uncle Kawahira, the other sky ring.

[Hyper_Wolfy]

^ Arcobalenos (now you mention it Enma has the other Sky ring???????)

No one can take on Tsuna,but he has this weak spot - show mercy- and friends hostage will get to him Which this Arc will develope him futher,Also dont forget Tsuna need to prove people by showing his power.Theres always someone stronger than Byakuran,Master of Cervellos could manipulate some families again to be their puppets,we could see them gain power more powerful than Byakuran.Theres lot of plot holes that need to be filled,Amano sensei will just pull a Gobsmack-jutsu-

[noir07]

This manga doesn't make any sense anymore: Byakuran was supposed to be the ruler of the underground world in the future, ergo he had defeated all the mafia bosses around the planet. But Tsuna beat Byakuran. Which means that Tsuna is de facto stronger than any of the new families' bosses. The manga should have ended after the future arc, or changed its nature. Like this, as I say, it doesn't make any sense. It would be like continuing the Naruto manga after Naruto becomes hokage. Meh.

I'm just going to quote what someone else said here (http://snarp.dreamwidth.org/274856.html):

"This is part of why characters [...] just keep powering up throughout a shounen series. It's not purely escalation of the danger level; it's also a reassurance to the readers that the characters still have depths yet to be explored, and that they're growing and changing."

I agree with her. Remember Dragon Ball? Well, there was the Cell arc. And things continued after the Cell arc. I'm not saying that you have to see Dragon Ball as successful in making a good narrative out of this (or even Reborn), but in shonen manga, as long as your characters have to grow, you can invent the Strongest Opponent Ever out of any plot device you want in every new arc. As long it sells.

Like DB's Boo arc, maybe the lack of Byakuran will create the stronger opponent ever. Maybe Byakuran with his knowledge could suppress a person Stronger Than Him. I don't know, I don't like these options, but can it continue? I wouldn't be the first time. I don't follow Naruto, but it's arguable that the point of Reborn's manga has been... I don't know, making Tsuna The Tenth. It may be, of course, But it may also be Tsuna accepting (or rejecting, that would be awesome, at least for me) he has to become the Tenth.

(And about plot devices that can be used, as much as I was tired and disliked a lot of things of the TYL arc, I liked how it was constructed around knowledge and the interactions of several parallel dimensions, and those were the things that made the Big Bad, as opposed of sheer physical power of the villain. I don't expect that for this arc.)

What doesn't make sense for me? Tsuna doesn't make sense for me. Tsuna, who killed a man and saw an awful future is exactly the same Tsuna of the first chapter. It had been said to death, but the way Tsuna development is not addressed is kinda frustrating. Because he is no DB's Goku, Tsuna is a character who was always characterized for being an "ordinary" kid who wasn't good at anything. So he notices things that are not "normal." He would notice he just killed a man, and he is uber powerful now. He also, in TYL's arc, took a lot of responsibilities, and acted in behalf of a lot of people; that should have affected him somehow.

But now Amano emphasizes he is the same; he is bullied, he just wants to marry Kyoko! The same Kyoko who just saw him killing Byakuran. And he doesn't even consider the possibility that his relationship with Kyoko may change. Everything is exactly the same as the first chapter. Amano is trying to leave that clear. I don't know why, but that doesn't make sense for me.

I wish I could said that Amano is doing it to show some kind of denial that Tsuna is having about mafia, inner traumas, blahblah, but dude, we all know this manga isn't that deep. I mean, this arc could end with Tsuna accepting and finally noticing his status, but still wouldn't make sense that everything that happened affected him so little. What I personally think is the selling factor may contribute, this manga sells for its characters, maybe WSJ thinks that if something about them changes, (like, mature) their fans wouldn't like it. I mean, look at the most popular character (and the one who sells more): Hibari. Do I need to say how much of his development, backstory, personality, relationships the manga has touched? I guess WSJ thinks fans like their characters static. They may be right.

[LJkAze]

Tsuna should just blast a weak X-Burner at that huge thing and its gone.

[Hajimeru Rinko]

Tsuna should just blast a weak X-Burner at that huge thing and its gone.

Tsuna firing a X Burner at that guy is going to destroy the shrine, ya know, seeing that they are near the shrine and plus it's just one....weirdo assassin that's NOT worth the X Burner. Some uber boss is worth it. I'd love to see Tsuna not to use the X Burner(lemme guess, the shrine will be burnt and there's going to be a crater in the middle and he has to pay for the damages....hahahaha, nice, but silly theory you got there.) to pwn that guy anyway.

[RAFAT9]

What doesn't make sense for me? Tsuna doesn't make sense for me. Tsuna, who killed a man and saw an awful future is exactly the same Tsuna of the first chapter. It had been said to death, but the way Tsuna development is not addressed is kinda frustrating. Because he is no DB's Goku, Tsuna is a character who was always characterized for being an "ordinary" kid who wasn't good at anything. So he notices things that are not "normal." He would notice he just killed a man, and he is uber powerful now. He also, in TYL's arc, took a lot of responsibilities, and acted in behalf of a lot of people; that should have affected him somehow.

But now Amano emphasizes he is the same; he is bullied, he just wants to marry Kyoko! The same Kyoko who just saw him killing Byakuran. And he doesn't even consider the possibility that his relationship with Kyoko may change. Everything is exactly the same as the first chapter. Amano is trying to leave that clear. I don't know why, but that doesn't make sense for me.

i really got to agree with you on this one. i was pretty pissed when Tsuna ripped off Byakuran's wings let alone kill him.

See heres the thing. The Tsuna that he is now is the Tsuna i want him to be like. The kind, normal, average kid. However, you cant have an event like the Future Saga and not really change his character. i understand not doing it directly after he fought maybe to save some panel time but srsly i thought maybe the first or second chapter would at least reference it then advance on it. It wouldnt be drawn out cuz thats not how Amano writes but it still give a nice subplot through most of this arc. Which is why im really enjoying the only real character relative thing to happen to him which is his auto-HDW mode.

The reason why this arc started off so good was because it took Tsuna back to what he essential fought for as well as showed why he valued it so much which is really the best thing to do. Not referencing the Future Saga's backlash is the only fault its going to most likely have concurrently through the arc.

[hdiuy]

I just wanna say one thing about Byakuran, he may have knowledge about his enemies skills. BUT the fact that he was able to use this knowledge when fighting his enemies goes to shows that he is no weakling.For example if someone uses a super fast attack and though Byakuran knows the exact movement of the attack he would have to be fast in order to dodge the super fast attacks.

Huge dude seems to me more like Iris death stalk squad to me, but that would mean he's being controlled by someone else, it's probable that he isn't alone, but i don't think he's being controlled.
More flashback! xD (http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/21/)

I meant in the future,sorry.Wasn't the 9th dead in the future? Cause if i never remember wrongly the 9th was there when Tsuna first got his Ver X Vongola golves.

[Chaos Shadow]

i really liked the chap =D the coverr was reallyyyyy nicee (hibari fan)

about tsuna´s power etcetce.. well all that knowledge is really important.. Daisy vs dino or squallo vs the storm guy is an example, daisy was one of the weakest FWs and managed to beat one of the most powerfull guy really easly ( its said alot of times that Dino is really strong even more in the future). but i also see that byakuran was extremely powerfull maeby not by himslef but after absorbing the flames of the major power houses in the mafia and 2 completely bodies of his FWs he was the real deal AND tsuna defeated him easily after the ring trasformation/liberation/release of the flames output etcetc... so yeah right now i see him EXTREMELY overpowered.. =S i hope this fact changes soon i dont know how but i hope hehe

and about his current will and resolve well i think that after living all those horribly events in the future i would want a normal and peacefull life away of that link( the mafia world) that makes me think in the horribly reality that i just managed to escape :P

[LJkAze]

This manga doesn't make any sense anymore: Byakuran was supposed to be the ruler of the underground world in the future, ergo he had defeated all the mafia bosses around the planet. But Tsuna beat Byakuran. Which means that Tsuna is de facto stronger than any of the new families' bosses. The manga should have ended after the future arc, or changed its nature. Like this, as I say, it doesn't make any sense. It would be like continuing the Naruto manga after Naruto becomes hokage. Meh.
Beating Byakuran the strongest enemy in the future mean squat really; there's a saying about if you bring back knowledge from the future into the past and try to change your future that future later on will become scary; and a good example for that is what happen with Irie who created Byakuran who he is. Remember now the TYL Tsuna and Co. never obtain such power when they were Ten years younger and went through Hardship and trails; the current Tsuna and Co. who Powered up dramatically in the future and coming back to the present to seal the mare ring so that Byakuran doesn't exist is going to take a new path and the TYL Future is not going to exists the same way Tsuna and co. have went; meaning the road ahead is a mystery. Also remember this Irie only want change a small portion of his life but he end creating a beast Byakuran; what do you think will happen if you come back into the past and seal the Mare Ring. That's really a huge issue not a small thing like Irie which end up creating a monstrous creature.

[noir07]

and about his current will and resolve well i think that after living all those horribly events in the future i would want a normal and peacefull life away of that link( the mafia world) that makes me think in the horribly reality that i just managed to escape :P

But that's not addressed in the manga. It would be fine if we have moments (or even a line) of Tsuna saying something like "after all of what happened, I just want to..." and then him acting according to it, because all of what happened should have had an effect on him. But even if he still just wants a peaceful life, there is no evidence that any of what happened affected him somehow. Heck, there is no evidence the past arc just happened- well, that's pretty traditional in shonen, but I would expect some impact on Tsuna, but there isn't. Everything is just like the Daily Life arc, and I missed the daily life moments, but there should be some contrast between the first Daily Life arc and these "slice of life" moments after Byakuran's arc, at least given Tsuna's personality. He isn't supposed to be so easy-going. He is nervous and takes things as seriously as they should be taken (yeah, he is no Gokudera, but he is also not Yamamoto -who was adorable in this chapter by the way, but heck, I'm kinda weak for him everyday.)

Anyway, I loved the cover. Well, I don't like Hibari, but I love Adelheid and she being featured as his rival. And she being... not upside down.

[BlueMoon18]

About the Shimon (Shinmon..?) family betraying them: I don't know. I mean, they might become rivals (which, practically, most of them already are). And they might do the, "With the way you powerful-have-it-all family act.. you don't know anything!! *cry, whine, moan*" And then the Vongola family will have to prove that they are.. well, awesome (of course), but also... uh.. not conceited either and that they do understand. From the way Enma is acting, I foresee him saying something like that to Tsuna (because Tsu-kun has the POWER!). So, yeah. See that coming.

Also, also, also!! http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/286/07/ <-- In the 3rd panel, the guy on the right.. is he a brother of the Hitman Twin's from chapter 69 --> http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/69/03/ He or her.. (who knows *shrugs*) certainly looks like them..

Done!

[FluffBall]

oh they sorta do but the russian dude has bigger eye holes =P
about the discussion i just want to add that does it really matter whether he changes or not, i mean i don't mind as long as i can enjoy the manga. but for those who do want a slight change in his personality it might actually be a good thinig for him to be more serious but there are those who don't want change as they like him the way he is cuz it would be harder to think that he's gonna be a mafia boss and then the surprise would be bigger when they find out how powerful he is.

[Shake]

Tsuna changed a lot compared to the beginning. He was protecting Enma from being bullied without his DWF, something he would never have done in the past. Also normally forces Reborn Tsuna into hyper mode with his bullets but now Tsuna, despite his fear, takes the pill (or doing it by himself) and faces his opponents, like the cloud assasin.

About him being overpowered, true he is strong but keep in mind that he's still developing. In combat a lot of factors determine the winner. Power is one of them, but the main reason Tsuna was able to defeat Byankuran was because of his resolve to return him and his friends to the past and also the revenge for Uni and Gamma. If he doesn't a real reason to fight he could easily lose. Maybe that's the role of Shinmon family, to act as "person" Tsuna needs to defend against all other families. Also because they're "weak", his position as boss should become clear to his enemies and rival families as they gasp: "wow, he's able to defend a family that weak".

[Hyper_Wolfy]

Tsuna will never change at this point,Withness cruel deaths (he didn't get affected but grow stronger) Face with life or death situation. He chooses to give himself up for his friend. In the Future. 'He'll destroy the vongola if he were to become that violent' I mean WoW He'll never change of being nice and kind maybe mature to be less polite. Unles something big happen death of his friend,killing an innocent,Possesed by evil.
Villain deaths doesn't affect him.So only way I can think of be more violent to enemies?
Tsuna is the type to make enemies his friend,So rival families probaly be his allies after this arc

[moonueki21]

I see it this way...

Tsuna is the type of person that would generally avoid everything related to the mafia. He just wanted a simple life. However, since his friends are now involved in it because of him (because they want to be with him except Hibari or Mukuro), he has no choice but to accept his destiny to protect the people important to him that are now involved in the mafia..

I think that after travelling in the not-so-good future, he appreciated a simple than being in the mafia. Well, who could blame him if he saw that his family, friends and schoolmates are near-extinction?

However, despite all of his whining, he knew that he could not escape his fate and inside him, he already accepted it. A proof was he was somehow affected by Enma's suggestion.

[Lionela]

It bugs only me that Hibari didn’t show any reaction? Nothing at all?

They STOPPED his fight! A fight that obviously has no contiunation.

And first of all they CROWDED! :p

All he is doing is standing on the sideline while Reborn and Tsuna make a ruckus and saying nothing.

It’s sooooo out of character :darn

[hdiuy]

It bugs only me that Hibari didn’t show any reaction? Nothing at all?

They STOPPED his fight! A fight that obviously has no contiunation.

And first of all they CROWDED! :p

All he is doing is standing on the sideline while Reborn and Tsuna make a ruckus and saying nothing.

It’s sooooo out of character :darn

IMO i feel that its character development for Hibari.Cause other then those mentioned in your post i can't think of other interesting stuff that would serve as character development for Hibari.

[Kazemon15]

Hmm well, for one thing, we all seem to be forgetting about the Cervello and their role in this. It's obvious they're working for someone pretty darn powerful. It's possible that there can be a person more powerful than Byakuran. After all, Byakuran was only powerful in his final battle because he absorbed everyone else's flames and grew Angel Wings from them. If he didn't, then he wouldn't have been as strong as he was.

I know he defeated Mukuro, but as said before, it's because he knew his weakness.

Byakuran played it by strategically. He knew their weakness, he planned ahead and conquered them. He brought over Ghost both as an experiment and as "insurance." (for lack of a better word)

After all, someone had to have made the Mare Rings, Vongola Rings and Pacifiers. Someone is controlling the Cervello. Someone predicted what would happen and made it "destiny", as the Cervello said to Xanxus. Someone told the Cervello to give the Mare Ring to Byakuran. And someone had to have picked the strongest 7 Arcobaleno...I mean, even for Reborn to listen to the order and become one...isn't that proof enough that whoever chose them is really strong or at least really well respected?

[Harlan Phoenix]

This manga doesn't make any sense anymore: Byakuran was supposed to be the ruler of the underground world in the future, ergo he had defeated all the mafia bosses around the planet. But Tsuna beat Byakuran. Which means that Tsuna is de facto stronger than any of the new families' bosses. The manga should have ended after the future arc, or changed its nature. Like this, as I say, it doesn't make any sense. It would be like continuing the Naruto manga after Naruto becomes hokage. Meh.

Byakuran wasn't ABSURDLY more powerful than Xanxus. People seem to forget that Byakuran's power was more about being able to TELL. THE FUTURE. and have a giant army than how many anime lasers he can shoot.

It's not that the manga has stopped making sense. It's just that you severely lack reading comprehension and think of everything in terms of how many Kamehamehas people can shoot.

[BBB Banana]

The Arcobaleno are probably the most powerfull entity and the Vongola will have to surpass them sooner or later Byakuran never really defeated them. So just like the Arcobaleno were overpowered trough intelligence there must be more people like them.

[Zehahaha]

Sure, in terms of the situation, but not in terms of strength at all. Reborn said it himself, the Shimon family is weak. Next chapter I'm sure we're going to see Enma being all surprised at Tsuna's power, and his weapons, etc. Considering Nuts came along, I'm sure he's going to be used soon.

It would be a shame if he uses Nuts ya know, Primo's techniques should be enough to deal with this guy, no need for X Burner or Cambio Forma...

[Hyper_Wolfy]

^ Reborn said 'show him the power of the new rings So could be a mare punch or karate chop with Flames. Tsuna pretty much has this one easily with Reborn smiles so confident.

[noir07]

Tsuna changed a lot compared to the beginning. He was protecting Enma from being bullied without his DWF, something he would never have done in the past. Also normally forces Reborn Tsuna into hyper mode with his bullets but now Tsuna, despite his fear, takes the pill (or doing it by himself) and faces his opponents, like the cloud assasin.

Yeah, but that's not what I'm talking about. Personally, I want to see the big events that just happened being addressed, and see how they affected Tsuna. Yeah, there may be subtle changes regarding the first chapters, but I don't see them as very significant. Okay, explaining myself better: defending someone from bullies and then getting beat up, and not running and fighting an opponent who is about to kill you are exactly things I would expect from a character who just had their first victorious fight (or things like that, that make their confidence in their fighting abilities grow). Those aren't the changes I want to see addressed from a character who lived all of what Tsuna lived and who just killed a man for the first time, a uber powerful man who killed a big part of the population, including Tsuna's friends. Specially from a character as self-conscious as Tsuna is. Maybe more character's introspection would be something I see more fit.

But yeah, it may just be me, as I said, it seems like KHR's fans don't like big changes in their characters outside the shounen fights. But I don't think most people would oppose a certain grown, or some things addressed without changing Tsuna drastically. I don't think a drastic change is necessary also.

Edit: Okay, and before someone says so, I think I have not expressed myself correctly. For once, I have no problem seeing that during Kokuyo/Varia/TYL's arc Tsuna had matured in a few aspects. Probably the "things are exactly the same as the first chapter" was stretching things, I was kinda wondering about the new chapters emphasis on Tsuna just wanting to marry Kyoko without even worrying about the effect the future may have had on her, Tsuna just wanting a normal life, just acting like his attitude towards anything has barely changed... etc.

Yeah, he doesn't act exactly the same, specially regarding people and his relationships, those are things that evolved naturally at the course of the series, of course. What I have a hard time buying is that TYL's arc particularly didn't even left marks on him. Probably negative marks, but even something that says that he just lived in a world were his parents died and he killed the top most powerful man, and...

Yes, this is a happy-go-lucky series, but it wasn't for a couple of hundred of chapters and then... it just is like nothing happened. I 'm not exactly an extreme angst fan, but continuity is what I'm talking about.

[Umashin]

Yeah, but that's not what I'm talking about. Personally, I want to see the big events that just happened being addressed, and see how they affected Tsuna. Yeah, there may be subtle changes regarding the first chapters, but I don't see them as very significant. Okay, explaining myself better: defending someone from bullies and then getting beat up, and not running and fighting an opponent who is about to kill you are exactly things I would expect from a character who just had their first victorious fight (or things like that, that make their confidence in their fighting abilities grow). Those aren't the changes I want to see addressed from a character who lived all of what Tsuna lived and who just killed a man for the first time, a uber powerful man who killed a big part of the population, including Tsuna's friends. Specially from a character as self-conscious as Tsuna is. Maybe more character's introspection would be something I see more fit.

But yeah, it may just be me, as I said, it seems like KHR's fans don't like big changes in their characters outside the shounen fights. But I don't think most people would oppose a certain grown, or some things addressed without changing Tsuna drastically. I don't think a drastic change is necessary also.

Edit: Okay, and before someone says so, I think I have not expressed myself correctly. For once, I have no problem seeing that during Kokuyo/Varia/TYL's arc Tsuna had matured in a few aspects. Probably the "things are exactly the same as the first chapter" was stretching things, I was kinda wondering about the new chapters emphasis on Tsuna just wanting to marry Kyoko without even worrying about the effect the future may have had on her, Tsuna just wanting a normal life, just acting like his attitude towards anything has barely changed... etc.

Yeah, he doesn't act exactly the same, specially regarding people and his relationships, those are things that evolved naturally at the course of the series, of course. What I have a hard time buying is that TYL's arc particularly didn't even left marks on him. Probably negative marks, but even something that says that he just lived in a world were his parents died and he killed the top most powerful man, and...

Yes, this is a happy-go-lucky series, but it wasn't for a couple of hundred of chapters and then... it just is like nothing happened. I 'm not exactly an extreme angst fan, but continuity is what I'm talking about.


i agree I think that a little introspection would've been good. not long maybe just a chapter saying how tsuna felt about killing someone and how he is glad that the threat is over. mind you i think such things may come later.

On a side note i think the protection of shimon family will be the parallel to the primo's vigilantism. especially the fact that tsuna defended emna from local threats not extra ordinary or outside means. plus tsuna wishing to marry kyoko will most likely parallel primo's reason for leaving for japan.

[LJkAze]

It would be a shame if he uses Nuts ya know, Primo's techniques should be enough to deal with this guy, no need for X Burner or Cambio Forma...
I dont care if he use Nuts really; I want to see how Nutsu will be called upon from the Nutsu Ring. They dont have the Vongola box or any other box anymore. I think everyone is anxious on how this works hopefully this week chapter. The only one i'm really concern about is Gokuderia Sistema CAI. Yes he may have Uri Ring but he doesn't have the other box to pull out his Flame Arrow and different attribute flame rings.

[smurfclassic]

I dont care if he use Nuts really; I want to see how Nutsu will be called upon from the Nutsu Ring. They dont have the Vongola box or any other box anymore. I think everyone is anxious on how this works hopefully this week chapter. The only one i'm really concern about is Gokuderia Sistema CAI. Yes he may have Uri Ring but he doesn't have the other box to pull out his Flame Arrow and different attribute flame rings.

i though that they brough back the vongola boes not the animals and isnt system cia intergrated with the box so when he opens it all of his boxes apear around his waist
[hr]

It would be a shame if he uses Nuts ya know, Primo's techniques should be enough to deal with this guy, no need for X Burner or Cambio Forma...

it would be easier to just use the speed he has to fly close to him and hover while he sucks up the dying will flame that guy looks stupid so he might not find him out straight away i would also like it if said he would let him go if he goes and tells the person that hired him that 'he was perfeticly weak and too boring to kill, that vongola are finished if he inherits the title of the tenth and they would be harder to crush if a new stronger candidate showed up' also i think it would be a good idea if the guardians from the shimon family saw the fight and maybe the other guardians or something like the vongola telling the shimon that they are next to them that:

'tsuna is fighting'
'you mean that weak looking boss'
'tsuna is the strongest person i know'
adelheid overhears thinking 'strongest does that mean he's stronger then kyoya, though he didnt seem very hurt by the two attacks he recieved earlier' goes and checks out the fight as see tsuna not breaking a sweat and having the enemy kneeing at his feet and her with a look of disbelief of her face

[fistsofrage]

Tsuna changed a lot compared to the beginning. He was protecting Enma from being bullied without his DWF, something he would never have done in the past. Also normally forces Reborn Tsuna into hyper mode with his bullets but now Tsuna, despite his fear, takes the pill (or doing it by himself) and faces his opponents, like the cloud assasin.

About him being overpowered, true he is strong but keep in mind that he's still developing. In combat a lot of factors determine the winner. Power is one of them, but the main reason Tsuna was able to defeat Byankuran was because of his resolve to return him and his friends to the past and also the revenge for Uni and Gamma. If he doesn't a real reason to fight he could easily lose. Maybe that's the role of Shinmon family, to act as "person" Tsuna needs to defend against all other families. Also because they're "weak", his position as boss should become clear to his enemies and rival families as they gasp: "wow, he's able to defend a family that weak".

Reborn shot Tsuna with the dying will, tsuna did not take the pill himself. Reborn's gun was smoking at the end of the chapter.

[everydaygamer]

I'm pretty sure when they got the vongola boxes all there other boxes were integrated into them. it was never really explained much in the manga but watching the anime, that definitely seems to be the case.