Naruto Shippuden Episode 159 Discussion

[Drago]

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Naruto Shipuudden Episode 159 titled as "Kakahsi vs Pein" out on Narutosoul

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[Cobra826]

Please don't post unless the episode is up

ep 159 stream

http://www.animeavenue.net/naruto-shippuuden-episode-159/

[Tamata]

Just watched it on Crunchyroll. One word, no two. Fucking amazing! Tendo Pain rocks! Best episode so far in the Pain arc.

Mystery of Pain next week with the summoning Path.

[DarkAp89]

Torrent RAW 480P: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=128825
Torrent Softsub .ass File: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=128824

Anyway, it's Pain vs. Kakashi, not Kakashi vs. Pein :P :P


But i saw someone posted it when the episode is out on Crunchyroll.
I create the topic only if the episode is FREE on Crunchyroll, or Part 1 or 2 of it. And I'm neutral. I post various link of torrent and streaming links, not only one for my purposes.

[dayz]

ok the episode is out on anime avenue , here is the link
http://www.animeavenue.net/naruto-shippuuden-episode-159/

[Newkerzy]

Hmmm.... definitely quite an impressive episode. I give it a 7/10. Eum-Ik-Hyun has definitely improved a lot. They had good animation although the same can't be said for the drawings. And god... Kakashi's death theme is so spine-chilling. It was on the same level of Jiraiya's death theme which was pure EPIC beyond words. And Kakashi remembering Rin....... I just loved her smile. It makes you think that one of Kakashi's greatest wishes is to see her smile once again.

[3c]

Just to clarify, it is NOT allowed to reserve the thread and post it before you actually have a link to either a stream or downloadable version of the episode. The only exception to this is when us moderators make spoiler threads for the manga. I saw this happen last week but let it pass by as it was the first time I saw it happen. Next time this won't be allowed just so you know. Since the thread already contains links I'll let it remain this time. I understand that you all talked this over already, so this is just an official clarification on the matter. Next time follow the rules so that everyone can get a fair chance at being the thread maker. Thanks :)

I skipped through the episode and saw a few seconds here and there. All in all the episode looks kick ass. I'll wait with seeing it as a whole until Horriblesubs release their version though. I need my episodes in top quality.

[jdw]

Awesome ep. I have absolutely no complaints. I am happy. I can barely contain myself because:

just in case you clicked the first by accident!I know Konohamaru will get his chance soon, and NARUTO WILL ARRIVE IN AWESOME FASHION. If the animators screw this up I will NEVER forgive them!

[Asclepius]

:crying
*wiping tears away*
So emotional.
It doesn't matter that they used matrix scene... It totally made me cry on Kakashi's death scene. The filler part with Kakashi meeting with Obito, Rin and Minato for a few seconds was perfect and should have been on manga as well.
I loved that they didn't use side battles in this episode. Right choice.
Still crying while writing :crying

[allendsup23]

What an episode? Fucking amazing. I watched it in streaming link but quality looked amazing. Best episode in the pain arc so far. Now I can have high hopes for the upcoming battle (u know which one). Kakashi and Pain were badasss in this one. Eagerly waiting for Horrible subs as this will be sweet in HD.

[Tamata]

Yeah I think I am gonna download the Horriblesubs version and watch it again. Pain was just epic.

[3c]

Shinra Tensei = Insane amount of epic. Seriously, they made Deva Path seem so insanely powerful in this episode. They did an awesome job on portraying him.

Amazing episode overall. Definitely a 9/10 in my book. The only bad parts were that it felt a little rushed, Pain didn't have piercings in one of the frames and his "sword" came out weird like we saw in the preview last week. But god, Shinra Tensei and Banshou Tenin were so incredibly epic! I can't get over it. I can't wait for Taka and Horriblesubs' version, this is definitely an episode I'm going to watch more times in HD. This episode gave me so much hope for the upcoming fight, simply incredible.

[DarkAp89]

Hmmm.... definitely quite an impressive episode. I give it a 7/10. Eum-Ik-Hyun has definitely improved a lot. They had good animation although the same can't be said for the drawings. And god... Kakashi's death theme is so spine-chilling. It was on the same level of Jiraiya's death theme which was pure EPIC beyond words. And Kakashi remembering Rin....... I just loved her smile. It makes you think that one of Kakashi's greatest wishes is to see her smile once again.

This is not a Eum-Ik Hyun work. Hyun did ep. 158, not 159.

Great episode overall. The music fit very well. The animation have good and bad moments, there are some error (showed in the 158 preview too) as the 4 Sharingan Tomoe Kakashi and Pain without piercing. Elemental errors...

There is a bad jap dub mix at 16:39 [16:27 ~ 16:49 for the period](RAW 480p time), when Obito talks. They re-dubbed the first two dialogue, but not the other, so we find two different tones of voice.

8.5/10 for me. I like a lot the fillers moments (Pain matrix and Kakashi in another purple dimension).

[DarkAp89]

the f horrible subs taking long today i am impatient.

CrunchySubs is already out. Is the same as Horrible.

http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=128825

[BBB Banana]

Awesome episode. Shinra tensei was epic, big explosions they made it look more dangerous than the manga. The speed and the flow of the fight were really good.

Kakashi's Raiton dog was really cool and last but not least Kamui looked epic. I like it way better the way it was animted in this episode.

[monkey D luffy]

i would reccomend on http://www.narutoget.com if you want to watch this episode or any other episode. i dont know if they have their own sub or they are taking someone else's since i never verified that. i do know that they upload the episode fairly quickly with quite good subs (i an understand a few words in japanease and they seem accurate XD). also the vid loads quite fast (after approx. 1:15 the video was fully loaded. perheps even before as i didnt notice that)

[LeDuck]

... i guess i'm the only one who raged at the quality of this episode, it was horrible...

Looks like it, since it was one of the best episodes in Shippuuden. Great pace and fluid animation, it was very nice to watch =)
I know it was supposed to be dramatic, but I laughed hard when they showed Choji being chased by the rocket, it kinda looked like a comedy scene^^. If they keep up this quality, the pain arc is going to be awesome!

[Newkerzy]

^Yah, it kinda relaxes you from all the tension and epicness going on. It's nice to have those kinda breathers.

[3c]

Horriblesubs are out.

720p (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=128870)

480p (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=128872)

[Tamata]

Here you go. Horriblesubs.

--didn't realize you posted them 3cmm.

[ninjaman]

awesome episode, no stare downs just action.

[rell250]

Lol anyone who has doubts about Naruto vs Pain should be significantly less worried. Great episode and boy Kakashi is an amazing shinobi i mean wow. And i love how the fact that Jiraiya took on six Pains alone just blows out my mind even more thinking about it. Just amazing.

[Bohemia22]

This one has style. A style that would suit better a more childish anime, but who gives a damn. Great episode, wish it could be longer :s . Now everyone can finally see the steel Pain's balls are made of.

[Alterno]

The episode title is so unfair to chouji and his father, they were kicking ass there, even more than kakashi.

[THM Nindo]

The episode title is so unfair to chouji and his father, they were kicking ass there, even more than kakashi.

That was to give the viewer a little bit of a surprise...
It's not like they would have called the episode "The death of Kakashi" :p

Anyway, great episode!
I like how we didn't diverge from the core...

We didn't went to see Inoichi or the others guys.

It was solely Pain vs Kakashi, and Tsunade (with a little scene with Sakura at the hospital).

The death of Kakashi was really well done!
The music, the filler scene with Obito, Rin and Minato!!

Overall, a really good episode!! 9/10

[Kozar927]

The death scean was amazing, music and overall felling of it was 10/10
but the ep in general sucked like the rest of this arc. Animation which seems to be drawn by the intern team. Why couldnt they just realize the importance of this arc. seriously if this arc isnt in their budget they need to drop this show now. Were did all their money go?
Heres to hopeing naruto goes the way of FMA and gets a second series based on the manga with a way better budget. lol @ "Naruto Brotherhood"

[ParallaxDragon]

ddl for 720p Horrible subs (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UH8FRQMI)

[Lelo]

great episode, I loved it. Kakashi is awesome. I liked how Pein said it was an honor meeting him. Kakashi always gets respect

[Montai]

... i guess i'm the only one who raged at the quality of this episode, it was horrible...

You most certainly aren't alone on that. The flow of the episode was stange, animation was garbage. Whats funny is, the quality of some of the stuff in this ep, was almost the same quality as the fan-made eps. <.<

[Ryodraco]

What exactly was in this that could be called "bad quality"? What difference was there between this episode's fighting sequences and that seen at the Valley of the End? Because I saw nothing significantly different.

[Gats]

The episode was good, but sometimes the animation or drawing was weird. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's one or two step below etc. It makes me wonder if it was made by several animators this time.

I'm thinking about the shocking state of guys/girls who are only watching anime and seeing Kakashi's death.

[3c]

I don't really see why people consider this garbage and/or bad animation. I thought the episode overall was of high quality and very enjoyable. High paced and had some cool animations (Kamui). It had flaws like Pain missing piercings once etc, but overall the episode was great in my opinion.

[Curryman]

Episode was awesome. Easily one of my favorite episodes in the entire series.

I also LOL'd when Choji was running away like a idiot and when Tsunade walked up to the pillar they totally went outrageous with her bust size. :)

Did anyone notice the dude with Obito's clothes in the hospital?:blink

The filler flashback were done great and brought a tear to my eye.

Also I think people still don't understand the difference between animation and artwork.

The ANIMATION was epic Kakashi's Kamui was so beast!

Now I agree the ARTWORK looked like complete shit at times. Pain outright didn't have a face in certain scenes, he was missing a nose when Kakashi raikiri'd him against the mudwall and Pain somehow became about 7 feet tall shortly after that scene. Pain's black chakra rod twig still looked like a jagged piece of crap like in the preview. :notrust

I personally though loved the episode and the awesomeness of it overshadowed the shit artwork for me.

[Googlez_kun]

I don't really see why people consider this garbage and/or bad animation. I thought the episode overall was of high quality and very enjoyable. High paced and had some cool animations (Kamui). It had flaws like Pain missing piercings once etc, but overall the episode was great in my opinion.

It's not really about the animation,because as you allready mentioned,Kamui was awesome,but the pacing felt totally off like the part with Kakashi's plan,that just could not work in the anime,because they waited five seconds and than attacked and then the scene with Asura jumping in was off as well.
And then all this filler garbage like Obito,Rin and Minato turning into those wonderful and shiny shooting stars or Choji running like a retard to make it funny,eventhough it was not supposed to be funny at all.It just pissed me off.A mediocore team should not add this kinda filler,because they are bound to fail.

[Gats]

I don't really see why people consider this garbage and/or bad animation. I thought the episode overall was of high quality and very enjoyable. High paced and had some cool animations (Kamui). It had flaws like Pain missing piercings once etc, but overall the episode was great in my opinion.

The way Konoha's ninjas reinforcement attacked God realm was weirdly animated (or artwork, I don't find the right vocabulary) for example. But Kakashi+MS was really fine.

[3c]

The way Konoha's ninjas reinforcement attacked God realm was weirdly animated (or artwork, I don't find the right vocabulary) for example. But Kakashi+MS was really fine.

I know, as I said it had flaws. I just closed my eyes when those guys attacked, seriously :cool:

@Googlez: Yeah, the pacing was a little off indeed. I didn't really mind the fillers. The only part was perhaps the shooting stars, the rest I didn't care about. Chouji is pathetic anyway so he can look stupid :noworry

[Ryokahn]

Good episode overall. I didn't any of the animation was really bad, just some of the direction. I really thought there were some really awkward moments, not sure how else to describe it. Like when Kakashi first attacked, and used the earth wall -- the whole process seemed a bit slow and anticlimatic. It might be that there were a lot of silent sections; I actually really, REALLY like a lot of the new fight themes in Shippuuden. There were a number of silent moments where in my head some of the new themes would have cued perfectly.

Still, enjoyable and a good improvement! Lots of little things done well, like Tsunade's reaction to what happens with Kakashi, and I also enjoyed the new look of Kamui.

[SuperSaiyaMan]

The only complaint is the piss poor animation at the beginning of the episode, but then it caught its stride and the animation really went up. Loved the new look for Kamui and Demon Realm's missiles finally being the appropriate size.

9/10.

[Tamata]

I didn't see a problem with the animation of the Konoha ninjas attacking Tendou. In fact it was well done using matrix tech to display the duration of time between Tendou's jutsu. It was only a few seconds passed between each attack.

[Phoenix946]

Props to the way they made Banshou Tenin and Shinra Tensei, that felt absolutely epic. God Realm looks incredible in this episode, I'm really happy about that.

Nice fighting scenes as well, very fast as shinobi fights should be :) I really liked the matrix effect actually, way to keep things original.

I got slightly annoyed at the way some of the moments are drawn, like Pain without a nose/face or his rod appearing, but what annoyed me pretty badly was that Kakashi's epic death-speech got almost completely ruined by Chouji's ridiculous run or the realization/aftermath of his death while Tsunade's giant boobs are bouncing about. A hero just died, one of the most loved characters in Naruto, and you're more or less forced to laugh/be disturbed by what they're showing :notrust That put a huge damper on this otherwise epic episode for me.

[Tamata]

Yeah the chouji should have been without the comic relief. If it was done in a serious mode...like him crying and telling himself "Dad I will make it" whilst running then kakashi saves the day with his Kamui.

[THM Nindo]

Yeah the chouji should have been without the comic relief. If it was done in a serious mode...like him crying and telling himself "Dad I will make it" whilst running then kakashi saves the day with his Kamui.

...
I didn't see anything funny about Choji.
And I didn't even notice Tsunade's boobs.

I'm pretty sure that for those who never read the manga, and that were seeing Kakashi dying for the first time, they were so shocked that they probably didn't noticed them neither.

Honestly, I found no comic relief in this episode at all...
Choji is running away, telling his dad to watch over him as he will try to warn Tsunade.
Tsunade goes up and hit the pillar because she's enraged (and sad) that Kakashi died.

So... if you guys are finding funny that a fatty is running away and that Tsunade's boobs are jiggling when she moves, I think you are ruining the show for yourselves.
Don't blame the animators for that...

Anyway, it's my opinion...
I'm kinda getting sick of having people complaint about the animation after every freaking episodes!! :mad

[SuperSaiyaMan]

Well THM Nindo, don't you actually want some...consistency in the animation like we got in Part 1?

[lexx]

Well THM Nindo, don't you actually want some...consistency in the animation like we got in Part 1?

Agreed.

If EVERY Gurren Lagann episode had been "ep 4" style, I would've stopped watching the damned show. As for Naruto, *sigh* I've got nothing better to do.

But I'm not buying any of Part 2. I don't know what happened with the animators, but I don't appreciate a show I love losing what seems like 3/4 of it's budget midway through.

Part 1 had consistently good animation, pacing, and great music. Part 1 had the occasional "odd" episode with different animation style, but that style was EPIC.

Part 2 has inconsistent (below Part 1) animation, inconsistent (terrible) pacing, and shitty music that really doesn't add anything to the show.

I prefer watching part 1 to reading the manga. I have watched most episodes at least 3 or 4 times, and some more than that. With part 2, they're adding nothing by bringing it to the screen, and outside of the Rasen-Shuriken pwnage episode, I haven't repeated a single ep.

This isn't the show that captured my attention a few years ago and provoked an 80 episode marathon session. It's not even a show that keeps me enthralled for 20 minutes anymore.

[Razh]

I wasn't really impressed by the whole fight. It had some cool moments, like that slow mo with Pain being surrounded with missiles and Kirin.
Parts of the battle were kinda stretched. It should have been more dynamic. Faster movements and less delay. That's why manga fight scenes are a lot better, while it should really be the other way around. They would have done better adding some filler fighting than ruining the scenes that were in the manga. That's my view, anyway. Part one had some much better and more dynamic fights.
It seems to me like they're trying too hard to make some scenes fancy while it would be a lot better if they are kept simpler. If it's going to be like this through the entire invasion, I can't say that I'm really looking forward to it. Now I'm gonna go watch some part one fights so I can feel better.

Don't anyone tell me that they actually liked the dodging effect when Kakashi avoided Pain's kick. Seriously, wtf was that?

I also noticed some faces being deformed from time to time. Funny as hell. Do they intend to keep doing that?

Go ahead, flame away.

P.S. Disappointed by Shinra Tensei effect. I expected the repulse bubble would at least have some outline, so we can see the force of it. Like that Naruto chakra pulse that blasted Kabuto away on that bridge, when he had 3 tails.

[katon_style]

pain confirmed that is a beast.only naruto and sasuke surpass him.others aren't even a match for him.

[Razh]

Speaking of Sasuke, anyone wanna bet that not one of the episodes in which he appears will have melting faces?

[Kozar927]

Speaking of Sasuke, anyone wanna bet that not one of the episodes in which he appears will have melting faces?

At this point I dont even care about the circumstances just having any episode in the future with even mediocur animation will be a breath of fresh air, but if any once has seen the thread whats coming next in this section you will see cblitz says its not happening even narutos return will have bad animation and his info has always been 100% before

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1905257&postcount=262

[matsemann08]

Fan animation of this fight ;)

Link1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1gYxVik2WE)
Link2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cJpqIaW3gs&feature=related)
Link3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j6plSbu0sQ&feature=related)

[Razh]

Fan animation of this fight ;)

Link1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1gYxVik2WE)
Link2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cJpqIaW3gs&feature=related)
Link3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j6plSbu0sQ&feature=related)

Shit, a fan managed to make it more dynamic than the "real animators". That fight opening part is like 5 times better in this version. So are the camera angles. He even chose better songs. I'm really amazed. Shows what some creativity can do.

Makes you wonder if real Shippuuden episode was drawn by trained monkeys and animated by gorillas.

[laughing@you]

Wow this episode was epic!!! But i was hoping they would actually extend it!! I mean i remember the agony of waiting to see what happened next in the manga. the agony of waiting to know what happened when kakashi appeared dead when pain used that nail.

Don't get me wrong i'm not saying the chapter wasn't awesome but man, the animators are eating thru manga chapters like crazy!!!

I was kind of hoping for some filler fighting between kakashi and pain. Some buffer. probably more fighting when choza and chouji arrived. I felt the animators should have exploited a little more when pain threw that nail to kakashi. they should have kept the audience guessing of what happened for at least one more chapter. There's plenty of other fighting with other pain bodies that could have been used to extend this. Hell even more training of naruto.

Thats my two cents anyway...
[hr]

...
I didn't see anything funny about Choji.
And I didn't even notice Tsunade's boobs.

I'm pretty sure that for those who never read the manga, and that were seeing Kakashi dying for the first time, they were so shocked that they probably didn't noticed them neither.

Honestly, I found no comic relief in this episode at all...
Choji is running away, telling his dad to watch over him as he will try to warn Tsunade.
Tsunade goes up and hit the pillar because she's enraged (and sad) that Kakashi died.

So... if you guys are finding funny that a fatty is running away and that Tsunade's boobs are jiggling when she moves, I think you are ruining the show for yourselves.
Don't blame the animators for that...

Anyway, it's my opinion...
I'm kinda getting sick of having people complaint about the animation after every freaking episodes!! :mad

The animation was top notch. I believe the director or the screenplay writer didn't actually capture the epicness of kakashi vs pain 1st moves. Or probably lacked ideas on how to extend it. Like somebody else mentioned when pain dodged by moving his head it didn't seem like he actually needed to. In the manga kakashi's hand was almost at his neck. Pain head was really tilted in the effort of dodging the blow. Not in this episode, and all happened to fast. No pause to make you wonder, scene changes to create any excitement.

Not saying it wasn't good. The problem here is trying to match how epic this fight was to us in our minds with what the animators are trying to display. Is the difference in storytelling that has everybody crying foul. Go speak with somebody that hasn't read the manga and that person might have only but praise for this episode. What people need to realize is that they need to give thanks that unlike one piece we are still getting treated with anime episodes.

[Gats]

@Razh : I have to admit that the music (better choice) and some part of the dynamic is better.

I just watch again the official episode. Another example of those weird things : the first Kakashi's dodge would be cool enough if the following action was more...faster or dynamic. It's weird to see such a low combination of handseals for the doton jutsu.

[DarkComy]

The animation was way better then episode 158 so i won't complain. Great episode :amuse

P.S. The team that did ep 158 should get fired.

[LeDuck]

We've seen worse, if somebody deserves to be shot out of a canon, it should be the one responsible for Naruto 4 tail mode vs Oro. I prefer fluid animation to beautiful slow motion staring contests all the time. Remember how awful Shippuuen was till the Asuma arc (with few exceptions)?
Bleach and One Piece are also suffering from bad animation and pace issues, it's kinda annoying that they are airing one episode / a week. A lot of great scenes were ruined, that isn't worth the money^^

[Razh]

Money is the reason why the animes were rushed, hence bad fillers, dragged episodes and sloppy animation.

You know, watching this Kakashi fight, it didn't feel like watching Naruto. It's like the concept of battles entirely changed. It wasn't Kishi's art made into animation, it was like animators' own version of manga events. And that's why it sucked for me. It's surprising how watching ordinary pictures and text can give better feeling of a battle than watching an animation.

[DARK]

It wasn't Kishi's art made into animation, it was like animators' own version of manga events.

And so is the fan-based animation you yourself claim to be more fluent and dynamic.
Unless you are Kishimoto-sensei himself, not one person can perfectly duplicate his visions on paper to the television screen. Seriously though, this is getting off topic as the controversy surrounding the animation have been going on since forever. This wasn't one of those episodes where the animation flaws were painstakingly obvious.

[NAM61]

i liked the episode it was good. though chouji running away was funny. next couple will be even better.

[Kozar927]

i liked the episode it was good. though chouji running away was funny. next couple will be even better.

Not according to Cblitz

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1905257&postcount=262

And hes never been wrong before

[One Eyed Sharingan]

hmm, i guess they intend to keep the budget for Naruto vs Pain... i hope....

[Kozar927]

hmm, i guess they intend to keep the budget for Naruto vs Pain... i hope....

Episode 163 that cblitz talks about is the start of naruto vs pain. so we can only hope that when their battle heats up we get good animators

[SenninSage]

What an unbelievable episode... Please, please tell me that this is a sign of things to come, that hopefully the budget of this anime has been increased or something. That was a truly incredily well done episode, you really can't ask for any more.

I pray to god they keep this up all the way through you all know what.

[DarkAp89]

Fan animation of this fight ;)

Link1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1gYxVik2WE)
Link2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cJpqIaW3gs&feature=related)
Link3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j6plSbu0sQ&feature=related)

Gosh, Link 2 Fanmade have better artworks than this episode.... animation too in certain moments.

[Paradoxicon]

Woah, holy ramen, that was one of the best animated episodes ever! Pain was freaking awesome. His voice, the sound, the animation and pacing... Go go Chinra Tensei!

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7156/chouji.jpg

:D
[hr]

Shit, a fan managed to make it more dynamic than the "real animators". That fight opening part is like 5 times better in this version. So are the camera angles. He even chose better songs. I'm really amazed. Shows what some creativity can do.

Makes you wonder if real Shippuuden episode was drawn by trained monkeys and animated by gorillas.

Ugh, sounds like you would be satisfied if the whole fight lasted 4 minutes instead of an entire episode "just because the pacing was right". Those fan animations are nice, but they are basically animated manga pictures. No filler, no added epicness like the CT against Team Chouja.

[Razh]

And so is the fan-based animation you yourself claim to be more fluent and dynamic.
Unless you are Kishimoto-sensei himself, not one person can perfectly duplicate his visions on paper to the television screen. Seriously though, this is getting off topic as the controversy surrounding the animation have been going on since forever.

Fan based animation uses Kishi's own drawings and has a better pacing, that's all. I didn't notice any troubles with duplicating Kishi's visions before.
Problem here is that they have to drag the events so that the story doesn't progress to fast. And by doing that, they damage the original content. Don't tell me you liked this fight better in anime then in manga. It's just lame in comparison.

Those opening bits were really hilarious. It looked like two old guys fighting until Pain used Shinra Tensei.



This wasn't one of those episodes where the animation flaws were painstakingly obvious.

Unless you count in melting faces. They tried to make the episode more artistic with flashy scenes. I don't know about you, but that's not Naruto I'm used to. So I hope to God that these animators pick up their shit and run away as soon as possible.
[hr]


Ugh, sounds like you would be satisfied if the whole fight lasted 4 minutes instead of an entire episode "just because the pacing was right". Those fan animations are nice, but they are basically animated manga pictures. No filler, no added epicness like the CT against Team Chouja.

I prefer quality over quantity. Where quality is Kishi's work, and quantity is these animators' work. They have to stretch out the events as much as they can, damaging the content in the process. I can't imagine I'd like this episode even if I didn't read manga.

And it's not "just because the pacing was right". Pacing is a pretty big deal. In fact, it's more important to me than some flashy images trying to be epic. As far as I'm concerned, Naruto doesn't need some "added epic". It's epic enough without putting in additional stuff. Sometimes less is more.

And yeah, I like how you said that those fan animations are animated manga pictures. You hit the spot with that one. That's exactly what I'd like. The lesser the animators' personal touch, the better. I wouldn't complain if they were good.

Just to make a disclaimer, this is all my opinion, nothing will change it. Sorry if I'm ruining someone's fangasm over this episode, but I really think Naruto deserves better.
Here's to Naruto Brotherhood (Kai) in a couple of years (the sooner the better).:beer

[Paradoxicon]

I prefer quality over quantity. Where quality is Kishi's work, and quantity is these animators' work. They have to stretch out the events as much as they can, damaging the content in the process. I can't imagine I'd like this episode even if I didn't read manga.

And it's not "just because the pacing was right". Pacing is a pretty big deal. In fact, it's more important to me than some flashy images trying to be epic. As far as I'm concerned, Naruto doesn't need some "added epic". It's epic enough without putting in additional stuff. Sometimes less is more.

And yeah, I like how you said that those fan animations are animated manga pictures. You hit the spot with that one. That's exactly what I'd like. The lesser the animators' personal touch, the better. I wouldn't complain if they were good.

Just to make a disclaimer, this is all my opinion, nothing will change it. Sorry if I'm ruining someone's fangasm over this episode, but I really think Naruto deserves better.
Here's to Naruto Brotherhood (Kai) in a couple of years (the sooner the better).:beer

"leave me my opinion, but your opinion sucks"
yeah right...

I'm not saying the animation teams are always doing a good job, but if they made it "pure" like those fan animations every arc could be wrapped up in a one hour movie. It works in the manga because everybody can decide how much time he invests in each panel like "ZOMG Kakashi's dead!" *dramatic pause till next chapter*
The fan animation is more like "PainchinratenseiChoujaweaknessattackfailszomgarocketandgoneistherocketbtwKakashi'sdead" Voila, the entire episode done and ready. Television is about drama, and those fan animations got none. Just look how at the "attackfailedZOMGRINNEGANnextattack" moment, instead of "My attack failed? RINNEGAN RINNEGAN RINNEGAN Next try! aaaaand owned!"
See the difference?

Of course you don't like this episode because you read the manga before. Don't try to tell yourself anything else.

[Razh]

"leave me my opinion, but your opinion sucks"
yeah right...

Nobody said anything about your opinion. It was "leave me my opinion, episode sucks". That's all there is to it.
Oh, was it the "fangasm"? People get to easily offended over nothing these days.


Of course you don't like this episode because you read the manga before. Don't try to tell yourself anything else.

Oh so now it's "you don't think that, I know you better than you know yourself"? :p
I have my personal taste. Frankly, the only way this fight would have been awesome to me is if had never seen another anime. If that were the case, upon seeing this episode as my first anime, I might have just considered switching to ukrainian cartoons.:p
Of course, I'm joking a little. But at least try to understand that there are people that want more of an anime such as Naruto and don't get offended by it.

Opinions can't suck.

[Paradoxicon]

Nobody said anything about your opinion. It was "leave me my opinion, episode sucks". That's all there is to it.
Oh, was it the "fangasm"? People get to easily offended over nothing these days.



Oh so now it's "you don't think that, I know you better than you know yourself"? :p
I have my personal taste. Frankly, the only way this fight would have been awesome to me is if had never seen another anime. If that were the case, upon seeing this episode as my first anime, I might have just considered switching to ukrainian cartoons.:p
Of course, I'm joking a little. But at least try to understand that there are people that want more of an anime such as Naruto and don't get offended by it.

Opinions can't suck.

Don't worry about the fangasm, I get banned over and over for calling people "fanboy". But fact is, by Naruto and pretty much any non-movie standard this was good animation with some little flaws and also some really great scenes, and it worked fine for me. I'd be the first to bash them if it was otherwise.

That you like Ukrainian quality explains why you prefer the fan made stuff over the real thing ;)
Thing is there are always people complaining about animation. While it is usually justified, you have to give credit when and where credit is due, and considering this was one of their mediocre team afaik, it was good enough for most people.

[One Eyed Sharingan]

guess we have our difference in standards, or maybe tastes then, i'll leave it at that.

[Shiro-kun]

For mac users , there is adware that will try get you
be on alert when you go on those sites (animeavenue) alright?

For me the episode was simply amazing , no disappointments like i was expecting they totally blew my expectations away

The Animation and The Pacing was alright the fight in my mind went a whole lot faster than i thought it did(the fight was only half a episode , the other half focused on Kakashi, Choji gettin out there and Tsunade reaction).

[Newkerzy]

I think the main reason why they used the Matrix effect was because of this:http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000138972/09.jpg

which makes a whole lotta sense to me.

[naruto-niichan]

Episode was done by a mediocre team, I was surprised that they did such a good job.
Had some flaws (like Pain's kick in the beginning lol ) and they overdid it with epic moments but for a mediocre team well done.

They should have done it like Kakashi vs. Hidan/Kakuzu! oh my, can't they make every episode as epic as this good ol' fight? :p

they can't, people should start to accept that and stop going on a rampage every week.
Good episode + few mistakes = oh my gosh, it was terrible! *nostalgia mood on* Part 1 was godlike, these new editors are shit and fan animation is way better than that rofl :amuse

[THM Nindo]

Yeah...
It's too bad we can't have such a great team doing the animation.

The Hidan/Kazuzu fight and, especially, the Obito/Kakashi Vs Rock Nin fight were really awesome.
Other fight including Sasuke (vs Deidera, vs Itachi) were pretty well done too IMO.

I just hope that the real fight (Naruto vs Pain) will be really well animated.

In any case, Pierrot will never give us the same quality as Bones.
Not to brag about another Anime, but the animation of FMA Brotherhood is flawless and one of the best I've ever seen.

Just think of Mai Vs the Immortal Army, when she fight against everyone while trying to hold on the bottle!!
That was some crazy animation there! She looked like Jackie Chan!

[Weapon_X]

Damn this episode was fantastic, Kakashi and Pain were so awesome. Even Chouji was badass, this episode had a great pace and animation, loved the fight, the music fitted perfectly. Damn, Pain is just dat wicked.

[LeDuck]

Bones does a great job with Brotherhood, but they don't do anime on long terms, so they can focus on 50+ episodes. If an Anime runs for several hundred episodes, you're bound to have a pacing problem and try to save the budget as good as possible. My only complaint is, that the pain arc should be done by the best animation teams, because there isn't anything comparable ahead.

[Razh]

Don't worry about the fangasm, I get banned over and over for calling people "fanboy". But fact is, by Naruto and pretty much any non-movie standard this was good animation with some little flaws and also some really great scenes, and it worked fine for me. I'd be the first to bash them if it was otherwise.

That you like Ukrainian quality explains why you prefer the fan made stuff over the real thing ;)
Thing is there are always people complaining about animation. While it is usually justified, you have to give credit when and where credit is due, and considering this was one of their mediocre team afaik, it was good enough for most people.

Don't get me wrong, there were some cool moments, but that's the problem. Moments. Everything else was hard to chew through. I mean, the fights should be getting better and better, not the other way around. As someone said, Sasuke vs Deidara was good, Hidan and Kakuzu fights were also fine. This one, with Pain, tries too hard to be artistic or something. Those zoom ins and slow downs, feels like watching a fucking John Woo movie. Boy am I glad we got to see that nail tip from up close.
I don't have any problems with bullet time but it could have been executed better. Looked kinda weird to me. Also, we didn't actually get to see the moment in which Shinra Tennsei was released. I would have liked to see the exact moment in which those attacks were pushed back. The force and speed. That cloud of dust from a distance wasn't really that awesome.

I just have too much free time these days. Here's how I picture the day at the studio.;)
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8606/gorilla.png

[Blade800]

I dont understand people complaining about animation.

This episode was pure ..

EPIC

[Crude]

I actually really liked this episode, even if the animation was weird. Some sequences, including the bullet time ones we're badass, but some we're just fail. Choji looked like jelly most of the time...

[kalerab]

I dont understand people complaining about animation.

This episode was pure ..

EPIC

Pain vs. Jiraya fight was epic, this was a good episode but with better animation (notice the movement sequences like in the beginning) it could´ve been better.

[Ryouka]

I think the animation was just fine, above average by all means. Really smooth and nicely done (mostly, there were tiny little scenes that weren't perfect). Don't know what you are complaining about when there are episodes FAR worse than this. Maybe some drawings weren't top-notch because they were in-animation but it was very well done in my eyes, definitely one of the most impressive episodes so far.
But somehow I'm of divided opinions about the episode's plot... and because this is some serious issue, I advice not reading the spoiler when not knowing the Manga or not having watched the episode yet :D While I'm glad those moments were really well done, art wise and voice acting wise (I still don't like the music, except the one when Kakashi is passing away and thinking of his old team... :'( , that one was really really great. It was a new song, wasn't it?) I can't stop thinking about how it was hell of rushed. Or at least it seemed like it. One episode... it was like "Let's fight - and BASH everything's over with a super dramatic ending.
Well I mean... he has really died after all. He is dead at this point. Even though he is going to be alive eventually... yeah... that was strange back then when the manga chapters were released :D
The fight wasn't dragged, which was good, but it was rushed, which wasn't that good either :D
Buuuh I would have cried a river if the story's further development wasn't familiar to me D': Sometimes I really regret knowing the whole Manga story :|
Well well...

[Shinsatsu]

Good episode, bad animation.
Poor Raiton wolf he looked like hell :(
Pain was fked up in some frames ... anyway, it's way better than the last episode which sucked completely.

+ Poor choice of background music.

[Kozar927]

I wish a diffrent studio could just take over the rest of shippuden Fans want justice done to such a great show.

We are now down to only 2 possable episodes to have good animation acording to cblitz intel, and they are
Distruction of konoha and the hinata episoded.
Lets hope they at least do thoes good then

[Razh]

Damn, the best studios should be animating Naruto kicking ass, not the episodes before and after he kicks ass.

God, I get creeps just thinking about it. Naruto vs Pains being animated like this episode was.:s

[Shiro-kun]

.....I ...dont...see how this episode had bad animation while it was not perfect or great animation , but come on compared to the crappy ass animation that we normally get for an a episode this was pretty decent for how much priority that it was going to get =_=

The Naruto Fight will probably have much better animation than this , it probably have Jiraiya vs Pain or Itachi vs Sasuke levels of animation and plus its far to early to judge if it will have poor animation.

[$nipe]

My take on the episode was pretty good until I came and saw everyone complaining. And yes, they're right, perhaps the quality of the episode wasn't as good as we would expect. However, I was glad that the animators were trying their best. It looked like a not-so-good team trying their best, even pushing it with a lot of special effects and stuff. I really enjoyed it.

I have long ago noticed that one of the most difficult parts of the animation is the transition for special effects, perhaps because Kishimoto doesn't really show how the Kamui should be represented. Hell, I can't think of a way to show an effect that is actually too small to be noticed. I mean "send a small nail or a moving rocked to an extra dimension" is pretty difficult to animate, and I think the animators are doing a great job trying out new stuff. However, some other things right out of the manga just don't seem good animated, such as this particular panel (the one with Kakashi flying):
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/422/12/
I don't know if it's the animators which screw things up because they don't use any effects on stuff like that, but it looked bad, I think.

All the anime watchers around here are coming to a concensus that it's not only the animation but also the artwork and the effects not being done carefully enough. I give you a clear example: the scene with the shinobis trowing the weapons at Pain. You have,

- The shinobis are badly drawn: bad artwork
- They're just popping out of nowhere (no real spacial setting): terrible animation
- Pain with the axis movement: AWESOME animation, great effects, so-so artwork.

As I've said before, a superb animation sequence is bound to have drawings with not so many details, but when you see your favorite characters having an eye smaller than the other, you can rest assured they're not being drawn the right way. Sometimes it's more like the animation is not being done carefully enough so you see a lot of inconsistencies on the movement; finally, you can see that some scenes don't have the right effects. Sometimes, it makes me think that it's not that other studios or other anime series are better animated or such, perhaps Naruto is the kind of series that needs a LOT of money to be made awesome, don't you think?

Given all that, I think it was a pretty good episode. Kakashi's death got me really into the mood. :( I think the scene cut so drastically because we're in the middle of a war here, so it's no time to mourn yet. The effects being used on Kakashi's thoughts were really really good, so I wouldn't complain one bit. Final thoughts: if they keep animating the next episodes as this one up until the moment of climax, I wouldn't be dissapointed. Garuto fighting should be made awesome... Pierrot should know better.


P.D. Remember how I've always said the coloring and some effects reminded me of 90's cartoons? Don't believe me? Try to picture Pain's chakra rod coming out and compare it to second 31 of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZw64rBswqc&feature=related
[hr]

Woah, holy ramen, that was one of the best animated episodes ever! Pain was freaking awesome. His voice, the sound, the animation and pacing... Go go Chinra Tensei!

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7156/chouji.jpg

:D

Check it out, a ninja not using "Ninja Run"... weird, isn't it? It's like the guys doing the drawings don't usually do anime, or something. It just doesn't add up!!

[Zeltrax]

I guess for most of you guys,
this episode just doesn't "feels right"
it isn't animated the way you guys wanted it
animation was okay,
pacing was okay.
Seriously, I even thought the pacing for this entire arc is too fast.
Damn, naruto part one had consistent pacing but shippuden paces randomly.



the reason why people are thinking it sucks is
because of how its not animated the way they want it.
which is really sad, because thats what animes are,
they are not fan animations.

[Aikions]

Does anyone know what's the song that their playing while Kakashi is dying?

[One Eyed Sharingan]

I guess for most of you guys,
this episode just doesn't "feels right"
it isn't animated the way you guys wanted it
animation was okay,
pacing was okay.
Seriously, I even thought the pacing for this entire arc is too fast.
Damn, naruto part one had consistent pacing but shippuden paces randomly.



the reason why people are thinking it sucks is
because of how its not animated the way they want it.
which is really sad, because thats what animes are,
they are not fan animations.well, yeah i had my hopes for this "Kakashi vs Pain" episode.

[Razh]

I guess for most of you guys,
this episode just doesn't "feels right"
it isn't animated the way you guys wanted it
animation was okay,
pacing was okay.
Seriously, I even thought the pacing for this entire arc is too fast.
Damn, naruto part one had consistent pacing but shippuden paces randomly.



the reason why people are thinking it sucks is
because of how its not animated the way they want it.
which is really sad, because thats what animes are,
they are not fan animations.

Needs more rhyme. :/

But yeah, you nailed the reason why we don't like it. Something wrong with that? We're discussing about an anime episode here for god sake.

[Kozar927]

you know alot of people say that naruto being a shonen dosent get good animation because its long running. while noone is asking for good animation all the time but look at shika and co vs hidan and kakuzu, episode 85 simply gorgeous, And I think this arc deserve some animation like that, and we have the list of directers for the month of may and noeon are the all star team that did all the good episodes including sasuke vs dedira the zabuza final episodes hidan and kakzuzu episodes and the other legendary fights, and yes naruto v pain starts in this month

[Blade800]

Anyone knows how Kakashi fooled Pain?

Pain made sure that Kakashi dies and Kakashi died when Pain was there and then they just show flashback how he use MS on that nail. Pain should see that so I dont understand that part.

[Paradoxicon]

Anyone knows how Kakashi fooled Pain?

Pain made sure that Kakashi dies and Kakashi died when Pain was there and then they just show flashback how he use MS on that nail. Pain should see that so I dont understand that part.

I'm not sure if Kakashi's jutsu is visible. It's basically a black hole or rip in time space. In the manga and vs Deidara it was only visible because of the time-space blur. This time they made it black as in black hole.
They animate it nevertheless, just like Chinra Tensei which is also invisible, because it simply manipulates gravity, but they gotta show it somehow.

[jdw]

After watching the episode again, this time with a more critical eye toward the animation and such, I still cannot find much to complain about. Overall, I think the episode was superb. I give it a 9/10. It wasn't perfect, but it was very good. While the anime managed to capture most of the noteworthy panels of the manga, If I had to complain about anything, though I don't really feel the need or desire to because the ep was solid, it would be the omission of the following panel:


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5995/24819391.jpg

The above is one of my favorites, but the anime took a different approach to the angle of the scene.

[3c]

I have to agree with jdw. That panel was mind blowing when we first saw it. I'm very happy with Pain's Shinra Tensei and Banshou Tenin display in this episode, the sound effect is cool and it feels really powerful and out of the ordinary in the Naturoverse. But they totally screwed up by not animating that panel properly.

They really nailed it with the Kamui effect too. The way they showed how Kakashi warped the nail was very cool in my opinion.

[Kozar927]

After watching the episode again, this time with a more critical eye toward the animation and such, I still cannot find much to complain about. Overall, I think the episode was superb. I give it a 9/10. It wasn't perfect, but it was very good. While the anime managed to capture most of the noteworthy panels of the manga, If I had to complain about anything, though I don't really feel the need or desire to because the ep was solid, it would be the omission of the following panel:


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5995/24819391.jpg

The above is one of my favorites, but the anime took a different approach to the angle of the scene.

Yah that was a really epic panal. But it was ok the way they did that part to be honest. And I did enjoy Almight push. The noise was very fitting

[$nipe]

Ugly or superb, I had such a great time watching it! Isn't it all that matters?

I mean, I come here and start analyzing all technical details and such, but that doesn't stop me from really having a great time as I watch it. There was a lot of action going on, and it had some cool stuff. (:

[Gats]

Anyone knows how Kakashi fooled Pain?

Pain made sure that Kakashi dies and Kakashi died when Pain was there and then they just show flashback how he use MS on that nail. Pain should see that so I dont understand that part.

No because the nail was very small and Kakashi used his MS in a blink of the eye (well it's a doujutsu after all :D ) and faked his death by balacing his head.
[hr]
I re-re-re-watched the episode again. Seems better than before, maybe because the horrible artwork/animation part of the ninjas reinforcement and the wrong music during the beginning of this episode killed all my sensibility who knows. Or maybe I'm getting used to it (which is not a good news for me actually :p).

Seeing the broken robot Pain crawling and launching his missile made me remember the end of Terminator 2. :D

[Nic]

I thought the episode was quite good and i really enjoyed watching it. The animation wasn't great, but imo good enough.

[Blade800]

I guess the song when kakashi dies isnt out yet :(

Anyone knows IF and if yes when will new OST come out?

I am so into that song when Kakashi dies, I cant stop watching it.

[laughing@you]

Check it out, a ninja not using "Ninja Run"... weird, isn't it? It's like the guys doing the drawings don't usually do anime, or something. It just doesn't add up!!

I don't blame the animators in this one. Cuz think about it, if you have a missile on your ass protocol on how to run ninja style doesn't actually come to mind. Just plain run. Besides a ninja of his size it really doesn't matter how his arms are placed. Wind would still slow him down LMAO!!!

To me this is just typical get F@#% out there running style.

[Jammin]

I thought the animation was hit and miss this episode. More miss than hit. To break it down specifically......

Win

Shinra Tensei(Not as good as the manga version but was still pretty damn good)
The nail sent at Kakashi's head.(really well done cg animation)
Kakashi taking out that missile.(the zoom shot with a red color scheme was pretty cool)


Fail

The initial hand to hand exchange between Kakashi and Deva Pain.(static animations and camera angles designed so they wouldn't have to draw any backgroud, really cheap, lazy, and ugly work)
The raiton stuff(They softened the sound effects and gave the lightening no effects on the surrounding environment. It had no dust effects or surrounded effects at all besides the lighting change. Again lazy, cheap, and ugly)
The terrible terrible terrible bullet time shots(I hope they never do that again, they had some objects moving and some not which just made the whole scene seem utterly absurd. It just looked downright terrible)

[Gats]

I don't blame the animators in this one. Cuz think about it, if you have a missile on your ass protocol on how to run ninja style doesn't actually come to mind. Just plain run. Besides a ninja of his size it really doesn't matter how his arms are placed. Wind would still slow him down LMAO!!!

To me this is just typical get F@#% out there running style.

Besides in the manga Chouji didn't run like a ninja too, so the animators did the right thing I guess :
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/17/

So it's useless for him to run like this since he is too fat (I guess), but in the manga he had a determined expression whereas in the anime he was like "run for your life !!!".

[Googlez_kun]

Besides in the manga Chouji didn't run like a ninja too, so the animators did the right thing I guess :
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/17/

So it's useless for him to run like this since he is too fat (I guess), but in the manga he had a determined expression whereas in the anime he was like "run for your life !!!".

But he did not run like an idiot either.
The anime failed at that one,it just looked ridiculous,even though it was not supposed to be like that.What's so hard about just making him run like a normal human being?Srsly.

[Nic]

I think it fits Chouji's character to run like that tbh.

[Blade800]

But he did not run like an idiot either.
The anime failed at that one,it just looked ridiculous,even though it was not supposed to be like that.What's so hard about just making him run like a normal human being?Srsly.

Naruto is a funny anime too. So its normal to make fun and especially from characters like Choji.

Watch that episode again. They are always letting him looks like idiot, for example on that building when he was talking to Tsunade. His face, crying, sniffle :D

[3c]

I think what Googlez is trying to say is that the humour was completely unfitting. We were having one of our main characters talking about dying and sacrificing his life after all. It really didn't fit in. The last time we saw someone run like that, just much better done, was when Jiraiya was running away from Pain's bird summon. That was hilarious and fitting into the situation. This however wasn't. I don't really care personally. I'm more of a manga fan rather than anime. I just watch the anime to see how they animate battle scenes, and how the voice acting and music adds to the scenes. I don't really care for the rest.

[Alexis]

I felt let down by the episode. I was looking forward to it for a long time, but they decided to use Microsoft Paint to animate it. =/ There wasn't anything wrong with the flow of the animation, but rather the quality of the style. When it didn't look horrible, it looked awful. Though at rare times it just looked sub par. And at even more rare times it looked nice. (Kakashi's MS for example) And the CG effects like the bullet time around Pain just looked awkward because of the sloppy style. Same for how they slowed down the the chain that trapped Pain.

In the anime Shinra Tensei pauses an object for a sec before pushing it away. I perceived it as faster in the manga. Like it pushed things away instantly and didn't pause them for a sec. Not a fan of the sound effect they gave it either.

I didn't mind the inconsistency to the manga otherwise, such as Kakashi targeting Pain's head instead of his chest when emerging from the ground, and how his speech before using Kamui for the second time was altered a bit. (Instead of putting the emphasis on "I'll die" they placed it on saving Konoha.) But I did however prefer how the manga portrayed the scene posted above by jdw where Pain blows away Kakashi and his wall.

Kakashi's MS was nice to see though, both instances. Both the nail scene and the missile scene were animated nicely. And some other things like when he tried a Raikiri behind monster Pain's back. Shinra Tensei was nice some times too if I try to ignore the pause.
And the scene where Kakashi "dies" along with the music that plays was really nice.

But realising that this is Kakashi's last fight so far in the manga, it's disappointing to see it animated so sloppy like this.
I had bigger expectations on the episode. Kakashi being my #1 favourite character, I was hoping this would be an episode to keep and look back at, but it's not. I'm glad they made Kakashi Gaiden so awesome though, but I look back at this episode with remorse, thinking how nice it would have been if they animated it with at least decent standards. There are some stills from key moments in the episode that just look horrible, such as Pain's face when he dodges Kakashi's first Raikiri.

[mestizo311]

Wow!!! This had to have been the best episode ever done in Shippuuden. I can't believe the quality!!! It just goes to show that no matter how much I think Shippuuden sucks, the producers always find a way to surprise me.

[Kozar927]

Wow!!! This had to have been the best episode ever done in Shippuuden. I can't believe the quality!!! It just goes to show that no matter how much I think Shippuuden sucks, the producers always find a way to surprise me.

???

Why dont ya just go ahead and watch episodes 85, 123, 143, and so on and so on and then come back and tell me this has good animation

[Razh]

Just watch the latest Bleach episode. After that, Naruto #159 looks even worse. I know, I thought it wasn't possible as well.

[Alexis]

Wow!!! This had to have been the best episode ever done in Shippuuden. I can't believe the quality!!! It just goes to show that no matter how much I think Shippuuden sucks, the producers always find a way to surprise me.
I agree with the bolded part. I really can't believe the quality. And the producers really did surprise me, because I didn't think the animators could get any more lazy. Certain episodes look great, like the one where Itachi used Susanoo. But then we get episodes like this one where I actually question my own eyesight.

There are a lot of pictures I want to show but don't have space for. A lot of sub par animation comparisons for the anime vs. manga of both Kakashi and Pain. But I'll stick to some of the more exceptionally lazy ones.

I'll start off with my favorite. Pain dodging Kakashi's Raikiri.

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8446/000iw.jpg

When I first saw it, I thought I was seeing things and had to re-watch the scene again. He looks like a frog or something. It's astonishing how lazy the animators were here. But sadly that was only a prelude of things to come. And it gets worse.

Here's a preview of some of the amazing things you will see if you click the Spoiler tab below.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9031/002fm.jpg

I don't know what they were smoking when they drew this.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4533/111fkj.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/103/009vaf.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4610/010kp.jpg

This seriously looks like a joke. Like one of those funny parody drawings. Just look at his face and that spinning shuriken in the background.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7635/011xm.jpg

My doodles look better than this.

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1864/017ob.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2397/014xz.jpg
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7684/015vv.jpg
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2329/016ofz.jpg

I'm almost at a loss for words when I see this.
The sad thing is that this isn't even scratching the surface. There's lot's more where this came from, and this atrociously lazy style was consistently present in most scenes. It would go from a sub par shot of Pain to absolute #### when the focus or camera angle changed.

http://a.imagehost.org/0926/Chouji2.jpg

And they made Chouji look like a retard in this episode, and even added a sound effect for when he sucked up his snot.

P.S. He did not have snot running from his nose in the manga.

[Jammin]

Wow, when you look at an animation breakdown like the one you did Alexis it's truly astonishing that they even deemed this good enough to air. I mean, if i had a part in making that i would be embarrassed.

Most people who even do fanart would be ashamed by the drawing in those screenshots. It's really hard to believe the drawing in those shots was done by "professionals".:facepalm

God, i hope when Naruto faces Pain the stands are going to be higher...:s

[3c]

I guess they truly are pumping all the money into Bleach, because the latest Bleach episode rocked. Conveniently Ulquiorra vs Ichigo happens at around the same time as Naruto vs Pain, which also happened in the manga versions. Seems like Pierrot decided that Bleach gets priority, aswell as the Naruto movie. What a shame. I still pray for the quality to increase in the upcoming episodes, but according to Cblitz it doesn't look promising considering the teams doing the episodes.

[Googlez_kun]

I mean,there were even good parts like those:
http://i42.tinypic.com/abj869.gif
http://i39.tinypic.com/11meszd.gif

But then we get some "experiments" like
with the fisheye-perspective:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2affi8h.gif(failed)
or new actioneffects:
http://i43.tinypic.com/6qipnk.jpg(failed)
or unnecessary filler stuff like this:
http://i43.tinypic.com/6fr3ma.gif(failed)

[Paradoxicon]

Alexis, of course there were some bad scenes with horrible drawing, but I didn't really recognize them while watching.
There are always some "off" pictures if you randomly pause at some point. How else would something like this (http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/379231/663358.jpg) come to exist? I'm sure Starwars doesn't have bad animation ;)

[Alexis]

Alexis, of course there were some bad scenes with horrible drawing, but I didn't really recognize them while watching.
There are always some "off" pictures if you randomly pause at some point. How else would something like this (http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/379231/663358.jpg) come to exist? I'm sure Starwars doesn't have bad animation ;)
Sadly they were not just random pause moments. Every one that I posted had entire animation segments this way, and you don't have to pause to catch it. Check the Pain "bullet time" scene for example. The entire scene is made out of horribly animated frames. Every single one of them. Most of the scenes I posted didn't have any decent looking frames at all, no matter where you pause.

There's really no excuse for it to look that bad.

And even during parts where the episode didn't look that bad, it usually did not look good. Though there were a few rare parts that I thought looked good. This was a very low standard production overall.


I guess they truly are pumping all the money into Bleach, because the latest Bleach episode rocked. Conveniently Ulquiorra vs Ichigo happens at around the same time as Naruto vs Pain, which also happened in the manga versions. Seems like Pierrot decided that Bleach gets priority, aswell as the Naruto movie. What a shame. I still pray for the quality to increase in the upcoming episodes, but according to Cblitz it doesn't look promising considering the teams doing the episodes.
God, the Bleach episode was so beautiful. After reading Razh's comment, I decided to catch up on the latest two episodes. And I'm amazed at how great it looked. I can't believe it's from the same animation studio. Although I know Bleach has definitely had it's downs as well, but this was a very impressive new high during an important episode. This is another fight I've been looking forward to, and I couldn't have wished for a better result than this.

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/6738/dbbleach2707a022130avis.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6738/dbbleach2707a022130avis.jpg
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7386/dbbleach269fd6cf682avis.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6738/dbbleach2707a022130avis.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6738/dbbleach2707a022130avis.jpg


Stills don't do this episode justice. I wanted to make some gifs but my Phooshop isn't on this computer.
I can only hope that the Naruto - Pain fight is animated half as nice as this one.

[Gats]

Just watch the latest Bleach episode. After that, Naruto #159 looks even worse. I know, I thought it wasn't possible as well.

No no don't watch Bleach, or you'll end up to not watch Naruto again. :tem