Bleach EP 274 Discussion

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[Drago]

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[exacta]

This episode was freaking awesome.:blink

They really made Halibel strong,Halibel and Hitsugayas attacks looked awesome, and the scenes they added to draw this fight out made it a great episode. Halibel didnt get crapped on so badly after all. Well, at least in this stage of the arc.....

The omake at the end is hilarious:p

[espadaboyzz]

This is the episode that i like and hate it..... by the way, the action is ok and we can see a very2 little bit about Halibel past. I don't know why halibel destiny become like this, im still mad's about kubo do this to halibel. But, the past is the past.... i cannot change it and i must realize that ice kid is #@%#@#@#!!

[DARK]

Yeah, there was much more filler than necessary, but it was understandable seeing as how short the dialogue in the manga was.
The anime changes Harribel's character in the anime so that she literally personifies the idea of "sacrifice." Either allow yourself to be sacrificed, or to sacrifice others so you can live.
It was nice seeing Harribel as a pre-Arrancar.
I have to say, the anime fight makes Hitsugaya's fight all the more becoming. Hitsugaya had a relatively "easy" fight against Harribel in the manga, whereas he wasn't shown being cornered as is shown in the anime.
The omake was awesome, I agree. Harribel's response to revealing her body through her release: "So I won't get wet." XD

[arnold ronald]

BLEACH FIGHT BECOME BORING TO ME....
ALSO THE STORY....

[EnvyOS]

As much as I hated this in the Manga, I do like how it ended up in the Anime. There may have been fillers but yeah, it was to compensate the short fight in the Manga.

[LeDuck]

I think they did a pretty decent job, nice to hear some of the older soundtrack too. It would have been perfect, if the episode finished a little bit later, about here:
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/359/12/

Though I can't really demand that, because the Bleach chapters have so little content and they already burned a lot with Ichigo vs Ulquiorra. Omake was worth a laugh ;)

[Xerneas]

This episode was great. Overall the animation was a lot better than last week. It lived up to the "flashiest" battle title. Hallibel got some extra hype this episode but honestly I don't think they made her THAT much stronger. Defensively I suppose, since she broke out of the filler Ice Prison, but that didn't seem like too much of a stretch. Her attacks still looked the same as in the manga though. People only thought she/they were weak because Hitsugaya lasted so long. Kubo made him "job" too much before and it made him look weak, so this impression was transferred onto her.

This episode confirms her death 100% for me though. She finally got her flashback - short but poetic. Her original form was cool. And it seems her mysterious ultimate attack was going to be a Super Cascada. Anyway, the next episode is gonna be even better.

P.S. The Arrancar Encyclopedia was funny, they're on a roll with those.

[Nicholas.Sama]

anime canon:
harribel=VL
the flashback proved it.

[Hystzen]

the anime is not classed as canon and it doesnt prove that harribel is a VL.

good episode just shame she fighting plotsuyga who everytime has a fight gains a new move to win the fight

[Nicholas.Sama]

the anime is not classed as canon and it doesnt prove that harribel is a VL.

good episode just shame she fighting plotsuyga who everytime has a fight gains a new move to win the fight


which is the reason why i put the word anime before canon.

[Arrogance]

Wow.....that was a lot of water, almost drowned just looking at it, lol. Wow Halibel was actually pretty awesome. Her yellow cero was pretty sweet. And was that Halibel as a VL??? Also seeing the Stark and Shunsui combat was funny because it really puts emphasis on how the two of them were fooling around and not taking combat too seriously at the moment. It makes it much more apparent than in the manga which was good. Overall pretty happy with the episode and it moved at a great pace with the manga.

The Arrancar Encyclopedia was hysterical. I low how these make Gin look so comical because everywhere else he is creepy and scary. And because he's normally portrayed that way, seeing him in these are even more funny :XD.

[Hystzen]

the episode shows nothing to do with confiming she is a VL it is the same as starrks flashback in the manga but just with aizen talking to her but he did the same with barragan kubo would not confirm VLs in the anime but not in the manga

edit: this made it more obivous that if histu wasent safe with his fan armour harribel would have owned him easily.

[Arrogance]

the episode shows nothing to do with confiming she is a VL it is the same as starrks flashback in the manga but just with aizen talking to her but he did the same with barragan kubo would not confirm VLs in the anime but not in the manga
I'm well aware its not officially canon. At the same time though for what we saw, she wasn't in the same state she was in her resurrection and she didn't look anything like an Adjuchas. So my thing is what the hell is left? She was humanoid in appearance yet not as much as an arrancar so that only leaves VL. Yes its not officially canon but that wasn't my point. Mine was questioning what we saw her as in the anime and if what we indeed saw was her as a VL. Whatever we saw is not canon until Kubo himself says so or puts it in the anime but again I wanted to figure out this specific moment.

[KalelDaNinja11]

BLEACH FIGHT BECOME BORING TO ME....
ALSO THE STORY....
then go elsewhere.

[freshseth83]

Why complain about the episode? Even the filler was awesome. Didn't show anything that spoils or goes against the manga. It showed Halibel kneeling to Aizen. All espada probably did. The water damage was great to see as well. And the fact Hitsugaya took an attack that weakened him goes along with the manga as well. Kubo does a part in the anime as well so it's not like these guys are adding things that don't go with the story. Shunsui and Starrk is turning out to be great. Where he asked to see his cero was cool as hell. It's nice to see the animation back on track as well. It was a 9 out of 10 for me. Next episode we'll see his flower technique, so the titling of this episode was a little misleading. But the 1000year ice prison was cool. Halibel is strong enough to escape it though, that gives her some needed strength to justify her #3.

[Exodi]

They did a good (no, great) job of making Harribel's attack look ridiculously strong. *coughstrongerthanulquiorra'scough*

All of that water reminds me of movies like The Day After Tomorrow.


Harribel's face and hair are rather inconsistent throughout the episode. It's a little strange.
Is it just me or are there a TON of close-ups on Harribel and Hitsugaya's faces?

[ninjaman]

naruto animators need to take notes. I had no idea horrible subs did bleach i always waited on dattebayo -.-

[Young Aizen]

Was that her as VL??? Im pretty sure they would be allowed to do that unless Kubo ok'd it

[BabyAnderson]

where did it show she was a VL? Fine, she looked human sized when she met with Aizen, but so as many fodder adjuncas we've seen in the past. Nonethelss, this is a 10 star episode.

[Jassaray]

What is this obsession with finding out official VL confirmation? I bet you Kubo is sitting back laughing because he threw out a little info years ago about Hollows stronger than captains and even now, after all the Espada are dead, people are still hungry for confirmation that the Espada were or were not VL....WHO CARES? They were trash anyway, Aizen had no need for them and the only reason they were there was to provide showpiece fights for characters.

I cannot believe how long this debate has gone on for, it's bordering on obsession now.

[Arrogance]

What is this obsession with finding out official VL confirmation? I bet you Kubo is sitting back laughing because he threw out a little info years ago about Hollows stronger than captains and even now, after all the Espada are dead, people are still hungry for confirmation that the Espada were or were not VL....WHO CARES? They were trash anyway, Aizen had no need for them and the only reason they were there was to provide showpiece fights for characters.

I cannot believe how long this debate has gone on for, it's bordering on obsession now.
I normally NEVER talk about VL's because we honestly never have anything but speculation and crazy theories about them. I have officially given up for the most part on that discussion and frankly I really don't care about whether Halibel is one or not because frankly all that does matter to the story line is that she is the number 3 Espada. BUT that being said now that we actually have an image of something, and something new mind you, even if its canon or not, I am at least interested in figuring out what that image is. Am I going to harp over it? Of course not? But am I not allowed to ask the question? Its not an obsession to me nor the people who have posted in this thread so far, its just a simple observation. You want to see an obsession go look in the VL threads which I specifically avoid because there is nothing to talk about in those discussions but speculation since we really have nothing on them, lol. To get back on track whether she is VL or adjuncha in that little scene we won't know for sure cause Kubo hasn't said anything and maybe your right in that he is sitting back laughing now because he once again wets our tongues with something sweet but its just enough to stir up some trouble. In the end though she still looked epic and I'm glad we got to see something new and interesting like that scene, even if it doesn't officially confirm anything.

[DARK]

where did it show she was a VL? Fine, she looked human sized when she met with Aizen, but so as many fodder adjuncas we've seen in the past. Nonethelss, this is a 10 star episode.

Don't trust any word of this as canon, because we haven't seen Harribel prior to joining up with Aizen in the manga. That includes what she did and looked like before she became an Arrancar.

[ORenJiDaY]

what the hell happened to the flowers that float behind hitsugaya during his bankai ??!

[DEATHBOTT]

the animators probably dont even know the differences between the menos classes and just drew her looking more hollow like not knowing the debate it would spark in the bleach community or they are trollin. she looked like a vl to me had human features like skin we havnt seen any ajudacas with skin only bone and dark crap. has kubo ever made somthing completly contradict the anime such as if he drew harribels hollow form himself later on?

[espadaboyzz]

the animators probably dont even know the differences between the menos classes and just drew her looking more hollow like not knowing the debate it would spark in the bleach community or they are trollin. she looked like a vl to me had human features like skin we havnt seen any ajudacas with skin only bone and dark crap. has kubo ever made somthing completly contradict the anime such as if he drew harribels hollow form himself later on?

IMO, the animators know about everything about manga. I mean how they want to create animation without referring to manga rite? I think all scene/story in anime is reserve for people who don't read manga. So, i can say we have two version of bleach, one for manga and one for anime.

[Nicholas.Sama]

They did a good (no, great) job of making Harribel's attack look ridiculously strong. *coughstrongerthanulquiorra'scough*

All of that water reminds me of movies like The Day After Tomorrow.


Harribel's face and hair are rather inconsistent throughout the episode. It's a little strange.
Is it just me or are there a TON of close-ups on Harribel and Hitsugaya's faces?

uhhh...no

but i agree with you about the faces
there was also a lot of repeated animations.

[<3Matsumoto<3]

naruto animators need to take notes. I had no idea horrible subs did bleach i always waited on dattebayo -.-

Horrible just started and DB just quit...

[Zeltrax]

scenes were reused.
and adding the hitsugya refusing to use the attack because his comrades are in danger is not canon, with that said, it's ridiculous to see how he is able to break through cascada , knowing that it is a powerful move, and still stand up.
the power difference is pretty obvious, but the anime made it looked like toshiro is on the same level on halibel.
Which he obviously is not.
Flashback was not needed IMO, may mess things up and viewers opinions may changed.
Yeah, they should have ended at the part where halibel got hit and became frozen.
Overall, pretty solid episode, could have been better.

[Akhkharu]

anyone else notice the hallibel flashback to her hollow form? looks a lot like a human... This goes with my top 3 + WW are VL theory

[Bohemia22]

Face close-ups are good to build tension. I don't read the manga, so I enjoy the anime twice as much and it's awesome at a steady pace. Quality isn't jumping up and down, rather a bit up once in a while. Soundtracks are chosen quite wisely. Action scenes can be exciting if the studio creates some effort, which it does most of the time. Bleach has recently been awesome.

This episode is 9/10 for me. Slow at the beginning, but nicely graduated and I'm curious to see what crazy sh*t can Hitsu pull of with weather-manipulation-no-jutsu.

[THM Nindo]

anyone else notice the hallibel flashback to her hollow form? looks a lot like a human... This goes with my top 3 + WW are VL theory

*cough* Anime isn't canon *cough* :D

[espadaboyzz]

*cough* Anime isn't canon *cough* :D

It's canon to the people who does not read manga..:eyeroll

[cloudo]

it looks great... loved 273 and 274 275 should be just as good and i dun mind it not being directly the same as the manga maybe thats bad in some ways but its good in other ways more character depth...

[freshseth83]

It's canon to the people who does not read manga..:eyeroll

How do you know if that wasn't a part added because of Kubo's direction? You think they animate Bleach without referring to the manga or to it's creator? You've got another thing coming. Anime is not 'cannon' but it doesn't mean it's false. It's based off of bleach, and it takes the path as the manga, it's animated to appeal to a broader crowd. Kubo realizes this, and he has say in anything Bleach related because he is Bleach. And no where in the episode did it say, "Harribel's VL form" so peeps, please, lets stop with the assumptions unless it's stated.

[Mauricio Raphael]

This episode for me was average :oh

The Hitsugaya-Harribel fight in the episode just didn't feel as good as it did in the manga. I felt that the animators messed it up with the filler. In fact, this episode could be considered borderline filler. It was a little weird with Hitusgaya noticing the others before using his ultimate technique but it's understandable. However, using Sennen Hyourou and Harribel using another Cascada? Also, it seems to me that they made Hitsugaya more rash than he was and the emphasizing of Harribel's theme of sacrifice was too much :notrust

Speaking of the themes of the espada, Barrigan mentioning at the time in this episode is definitely off. It would have been better later on.

I mean, I'm not opposed to filler: I like seeing how the animators show us viewers how something could have happened if it was offscreen. However, it also has to be understandable or make sense based on events in the manga. I think it would have been better if the animators had done scenes of the Soifon-Barrigan and Kyouraku-Starrk fights.

But, even with how the episode went, it was still enjoyable and I wouldn't mind watching it again if it came to it :)

[thornofcarrion]

Great episode again. Nice animation, nice music, and I don't mind the pace at all. By the way, her zanpktou, prior to her resurrection looked menacing.

[Random101]

Also, it seems to me that they made Hitsugaya more rash than he was and the emphasizing of Harribel's theme of sacrifice was too much :notrust
This is pretty accurate. Though in turn, because Kubo did absolutely nothing with her theme of death, the anime stressing it, albeit in an indirect manner (Hitsugaya's showing more 'sacrifice' than she is), is much needed. Then again considering that entire reveal was pretty much pulled from nowhere...

Overall, the filler managed to make the fight far better than the manga. Of course, filler quality was abound, especially the seemingly random tangents made, 'sacrifice' especially, but overall it worked out far better and made it more of a struggle instead of Hitsugaya pretty much cakewalking the whole fight. Also loved what they did with the Tenso Jurrin activation. At that moment in the fight as he's steadily reforming his bankai made it far more chilling than pulling it out to finish thing's quicker.

Though that being said there's also the oddities. The Ice-water and water-ice transitions of their attacks wasn't the best, unsurprisingly the manga did far better with this, but considering you can't hold anime and manga art quality to the same standard, meh... Certainly FAR more entertaining than Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra, but considering they did practically nothing with that and the manga fight was quite simply the worst in the series to begin with, ain't saying much.

[freshseth83]

I don't know what you're talking about. How did the manga do better than the anime in the ice-water, water-ice fight? Weve seen one and a half episodes dealing with Hitsu and Harribel, but it's done better in the manga? That's laughable. Critics man, I swear. You can't just appreciate that there is even an amine of this awesome manga in the first place, people like to nitpick at things that aren't even finished. In reality, the manga didn't show anything that the anime doesn't. The fact that you see the water heating and melting hitsugaya's ice in the anime brings out the fact that the manga made a point about the ability of Harribel to make the water hot, or boiling. This was shown in the manga by the steam coming from her water melting hitsu's ice shards. Not to mention that the next episode will be the conclusion of this fight so you can't even begin to say that the manga brought it out better. That's blantantly false since we haven't seen the rest of the fight animated.

[Random101]

When I say Ice-water and reversed transitions, I mean the way it appeared. It did not look like Ice was being converted into water nor water solidifying into ice. It looked like ice was being formed on top of the water completely removed from said water, and that there was a line between the point where the ice was being turned into water. The animations they decided on both of those plain looked odd.