Naruto 499 Discussion

[SenninSage]

No, I don't find it unusal. Although that is probably due to a major theme of the series being about team work, and how important it is to open up to others.

I don't find it unusual that a 16 year old who is one of the strongest shinobi out there still needs help, because he is still a child like any of the other rookies. Everyone in this series receives help during their fights, but the only time anyone really ever has a problem with it is when Naruto is the one performing. He has had solo victories, he has had some with help. Why should it matter so much that a young man still needs assistance? It's as though people around here see receiving help as being a bad thing.

Naruto is strong enough to have Kyuubi question how he got so powerful, people turn around and say "HIS MOTHER PUT KYUUBI OFF BALANCE THATS WHY HE LOST", yet ignore everything Naruto achieved in that fight. The same goes for his fight with Pain, or any other battle Naruto has been in. There is always a group of people who have a problem. Always overlooking what Naruto achieved and always claiming he needed help.

I don't see people going around saying Kakashi was saved by Naruto, or Sakura and Sasuke were saved by Naruto. I don't see people complaining about Madara or Zetsu having Sasuke's back whenever he needs it, or anyone complaining about how everyone else uses their summons. It's only ever a problem when Naruto is the one receiving help.

That is what I find unusual. Is it not unusual that there is such a large amount of people who have a problem with something so trivial? Is it not unusual that there are so many people being so ignorant as to try and argue against Kyuubi's statement?

You nailed it, and I'm sure hit some people where it hurts as well by mentioning Sasuke.

Some will respond, and already have, stating that people do complain about Sasuke receiving help. However, it's never as big of a issue, or call to arms to question Sasuke's own abilities or power, as it has been for Naruto.

When Sasuke receives help, it's usually, "Haha, idiot got in over his head, but man he's so powerful, he challenged all of those kages, and came out alive, then still had more left in the tank to wage such a high level fight against Danzou"

When Naruto receives help, it's usually, "*sigh* Naruto still hasn't mastered the rasengan. He still needs to do it with a clone. Sasuke is so much stronger, doesn't Naruto have any other damn techniques besides rasengan variations and Kage Bunshin? Even FRS is just a more powerful rasengan that he can throw, with wind nature chakra applied. Naruto would've been toast without those frogs helping, Naruto would've been toast without Kakashi and Yamato there. Naruto would've been toast without Killer Bee and Yamato present."

There's a double standard when it comes to Naruto, we just have to get use to it. I just love seeing them get mad whenever Naruto showcases how awesome he is :D

[SenninSage]

The way Naruto outwitted Kakuzu, not once, but twice, is clear evidence that Naruto was capable of defeating him.

Yes, we all know the circumstances of Kakuzu's arsenal and secrets being lessened/figured out prior to Naruto's arrival through smart team strategy by Kakashi and Shikamaru, but Naruto's power is unquestioned. If Naruto wasn't strong enough to defeat these individuals, he wouldn't be able to enter these battles in the fashion that he does, and actually stand a chance of defeating them like he does.

Nobody should question Naruto's power. Even when he was completely outmatched by Neji, he found a way to compete and win. This new Naruto is infinitely more dangerous than the Naruto that fought Neji and Sasuke will ever be.

[3c]

Remember guys, this is a discussion and prediction thread, keep the discussion related to thread "topic". It's getting awfully over the top with the whole "why does Naruto always need help" topic.

I strongly suggest someone with a strong opinion about that topic makes a thread for that specific topic. After that I'll be able to move some of the posts over to that thread. I'm moving some posts over to the Hangout now. If anyone makes a thread for why Naruto (or most characters) need help in fights, I'll perhaps move them from the Hangout to that thread.

[soozooted25]

Its kind of funny that after all of those things happened in the chapter the only thing thaat people notice is naruto has more clones in sage mode :D

Zoro #1 I have to thank you because you scratch at a good point. Everyone keeps complaining about how Naruto got help from his mom
and KB but what about the fact if they actually paid attention to the
manga when the kyuubi gets hit with FRS the second time he does something i thought should have shocked everyone, he sticks his hand
inside the wind sphere and pushes it and the kyuubi back. Or how about
the fact that beginning from where KB stop helping and Kushina started helping the Kyuubi was fighting from its back and everyone still wants to complain about naruto getting help. What about the fact that all of sasuke's power has been given to him.

[toussaintac]

Well, for my prediction we may actually get the whole story of what happened with a few panels to spare for some exiting. I think something is going to happen after Narut finishes. Either Kisame attacks or something happens in another location. Maybe we see Sasuke (unfortunately) trying out his EMS aginst someone or maybe an update on what Kabuto is doing.

I'm also still interested in if Madara really intends to go forward with just Sasuke, Kabuto, Kisame (whom might die soon), and Zetsu (who may die soon as well) for his leaders of the war. I also wonder when Madara will have Sasuke sync with Gedo Mazo. I would think Madara wouldn't start his war campaign until he did at least that.

[CBlitz]

no doubt Kishi has big plans for 500, so hopefully the war will move forward, perhaps with Madara launching the first strike hopefully. Its pretty exciting to think about, I hope the flashback isn't too long....even though I've been looking forward to it for years now >__>

[xaither]

Prediction Time :
- There must be a reason why naruto mothers is telling something about the kyubi attack, must be something she wants him to do.
- I believed the time has come for the war to start in action, maybe we will see a glimpse of kabuto power.
-Sasukes ems will be shown
-Kisame will get carry around a little longer [ hopes he suffocate in their ]
-naruto with the kyubi power will look different [ this is more of begging than predicting here lol, just really tired of the red cloak.]

[FantoDk]

I hope so too, want to see what happen next ><;
About the all naruto being RS, I think Sasuke is the one to become RS, why? because the secret of the RS has been kept for decades by the Uchiha clan, and even madara said that you need to use sharingan, mangekyo, and rinnegan in order to decypher the secret message....
Having Naruto becoming RS is kind of weird imo.
Plus Naruto's already filled with chakra, if he was RS, then Sasuke while last 2 sec in a fight with him...
Just my thoughs.

[Paradoxicon]

Prediction Time :
- There must be a reason why naruto mothers is telling something about the kyubi attack, must be something she wants him to do.
- I believed the time has come for the war to start in action, maybe we will see a glimpse of kabuto power.
-Sasukes ems will be shown
-Kisame will get carry around a little longer [ hopes he suffocate in their ]
-naruto with the kyubi power will look different [ this is more of begging than predicting here lol, just really tired of the red cloak.]

Meh, I really hope Sasuke stays out of chapter 500. But a new outfit is long overdue. Hopefully Kushina comments on his clothes before she leaves. A true mother would ;)

Kabuto doesn't deserve chapter 500 either. So I guess if any villain shows up, it will be Madara (naturally, because of the flashback), which leads to him launching the war at the present time.

[ashher]

It would've been great if all the remaining akatsuki except madara were in the leadership of their own armies. They would've been four bosses and madara the last boss. Perhaps it would've been bit too game like, but that sure would've been interesting. This can still happen. Kabuto with his zombie army, kisame in the lead of one of the the big 5 conquered by akatsuki (preferably mist), zetsu in the command of small villages+missing nins. Sasuke can be the leader of an elite special assasinction group with few members. And perhaps another of the big 5 could be the betrayer, preferably iwa where that female jonin might kill the old man. It really pains me to see how little importance kishi is giving to this war which could've been so good. It still might turn out to be great, but kishi is continuing to focus only on character development (which has been great i don't complain about that). i hope that now he has developed both naruto and sasuke to a stage where i feel that there is no more room to continue further development(i don't mean powerups) till they meet at the finale, kishi will stop with this style of alternating arcs for naruto and sasuke. He would do better starting to write the way he was initially taking in part 2, focusing on different events and bringing in those two only when they got relevant. I know the 1st few arcs written in that style haven't been very good, but that was due to the fact that nothing much were happening at that time. But at this stage it will be a great ploy, with so many interesting things happening all over the places. The other alternate of this i feel is to continue watching naruto and sasuke keep on taking on one character after another, while a fight or two would be thrown in some other guy's share. That won't give the feel of war very much. With such things like 10t an rikudo's power still in equation, it can't be too much to ask for a real war like LOTR with battles all over the places and the last hope of all the free world lying on naruto as he battles sasuke at the VOTE.

[TearsOfScarlet]

I find this "fight" to be highly anti-climatic. After all these years, Naruto once again falls short as he has been doing for all of Part II. How can Kyuubi be forced to respect Naruto's power when Naruto had to be rescued repeatedly? Naruto had aid from Killer Bee and Kushina from start to finish in this encounter. I also don't see why I should care about Naruto's newfound power-up. With Itachi's crow hanging over the Sasuke fight, and the likelihood of Sasuke being the key to defeat Madara, Naruto will continue being rescued to the very end of the manga itself. I can't recall a character other than Naruto that appears so incapable of accomplishing at least one thing on his own.

ahmm it's a way to progress the story and manifest characters essential to the storyline for not only fan excitement, but also to give clarity or "family moments" for naruto. How else was he going to bring them back without doing the "parent is the final villain" -- "Parent didn't die but is a hermit somewhere and no one knew" -- 'Parent is captured'...

[toussaintac]

Prediction Time :
- There must be a reason why naruto mothers is telling something about the kyubi attack, must be something she wants him to do.
- I believed the time has come for the war to start in action, maybe we will see a glimpse of kabuto power.
-Sasukes ems will be shown
-Kisame will get carry around a little longer [ hopes he suffocate in their ]
-naruto with the kyubi power will look different [ this is more of begging than predicting here lol, just really tired of the red cloak.]

Im really interested to see how naruto's body and jutsus respond to him having Kyubi's chakra now. We might finally see a Fuuton: Kyubi Rasenshuriken. Also, does anybody know if the negative side-effects of transformation go away now that Naruto has control of the chakra? I'm also interested in seeing when Naruto goes back to see Kyubi again.

[ajith_sakthi]

The chapter will be about the fight 16 years ago.
But it may not be shown completely. We might be just shown Kushina saying bye to Naruto.
Keeping the details to be fit in between another fight for Naruto to remember about the discussion to be shown as a source of inspiration.

Tobi would unleash the Bijuu's on his against one of the Villages and destroy them. It might be probably against Suna. As of now they seem to be the weakest and they have the most long and strong bond with Naruto and Konoha than any other village. Also Kishi had foreshadowed in one of his front page without showing Suna shinobi's in the alliance.

I think Tobi might be unmasked at the end of chapter 500.:blink

[toussaintac]

The chapter will be about the fight 16 years ago.
But it may not be shown completely. We might be just shown Kushina saying bye to Naruto.
Keeping the details to be fit in between another fight for Naruto to remember about the discussion to be shown as a source of inspiration.

Tobi would unleash the Bijuu's on his against one of the Villages and destroy them. It might be probably against Suna. As of now they seem to be the weakest and they have the most long and strong bond with Naruto and Konoha than any other village. Also Kishi had foreshadowed in one of his front page without showing Suna shinobi's in the alliance.

I think Tobi might be unmasked at the end of chapter 500.:blink

That would be really interesting for me. Reason is because i feel he's not actaully Madara. There is no reason to hide his face if it's actually him (at least from the reader). Even from people in the story it makes no sense to tell people you are Madara but then not just revealing your face.

[xaither]

Im really interested to see how naruto's body and jutsus respond to him having Kyubi's chakra now. We might finally see a Fuuton: Kyubi Rasenshuriken. Also, does anybody know if the negative side-effects of transformation go away now that Naruto has control of the chakra? I'm also interested in seeing when Naruto goes back to see Kyubi again.

thats why I believed that naruto's red cloak or the effect of him going 4tails + will be gone, because of the negative effects, i am just bored of the red cloak thing and want naruto to be seperated from the other jinchuriki's and their red cloak [killer bee ]. would be nice if naruto chakra form like the RS if he uses the chakra, Its just a dream lol.

[Hard_Rock]

So, Kishi decided to make Kyuubi look pathetic.. and Naruto again had to have some help him to accomplish something. So, now he has unlimited chakra from both sage mode and 9-tails. What's the point? Don't like this turn of events, but not surprised.
At least Bee's role came to an end, now he can finally be captured and get 8-tails extracted. Madara will probably help Kisame.

[pimp naruto kun]

I really hope after this the tailed transformations and stuff are taken away I think it would be a lot cooler to see a human naruto using ridiculous high powered jutsu instead of turning into the fox looking stupid and spamming lasors it would be more original and unique if he did somethung else unlike every oher jinchuriki who use transformations and partial stuff if he had rs thing likw hw did for the seal that would be much better

[naruto-niichan]

@googlez he wasn't pathetic and he's still badass. If it wasn't for this "stealing the chakra" matter, Naruto could throw 50 FRS at Kyuubi and he would not be defeated. Maybe the fox is just a little lame with all this tails :D

[Googlez_kun]

@naruto-nii
I know that he is still badass,especially with this effing huge black chakra ball,but i meant his looks.He needs a sammich...
So i hope that we will see him in his old self in the next chapter.^^

[sarutobi_sensei]

That would be really interesting for me. Reason is because i feel he's not actaully Madara. There is no reason to hide his face if it's actually him (at least from the reader). Even from people in the story it makes no sense to tell people you are Madara but then not just revealing your face.


Hehe someone that thinks the same thing I do :D

Why need to hide your face if your the "most powerful" shinobi on earth right now?

The name makes people be scared, but if the face is revealed, well, it'll lose that effect. So for me, he isn't Uchiha Madara but some impostor.

I think this has pretty much been proved.

Minato called him the man in the mask, Kabuto said: I hear you go around calling yourself Madara, Tobi.

So, for me, it's Tobi until I see his face.

I must say it would be a nice adding to the chapter revealing his face.

[naruto-niichan]

@naruto-nii
I know that he is still badass,especially with this effing huge black chakra ball,but i meant his looks.He needs a sammich...
So i hope that we will see him in his old self in the next chapter.^^

oh ok, I misunderstood you sry. Yeah, some more Kyuubi fight would be awsome, especially because he could go all out and isn't bind to a spiritual world. Yet I'm expecting more of a talking chapter because Kishi's really rushing the story over the last few chapters

[firewater17]

seems as though everyone is expecting great revelations in the following chapter.madara unmasked, sasuke's ems, war starting etc. what i am really expecting though is a good chapter.honestly some of the recent chapters were not that great and the series has only picked up in the past two episodes.the number of comments in this forum/thread alone is enough to justify this.

so with that being said i expect naruto to follow strong.no matter the revelations as long as the story is delivered correctly and faithfully to the naruto legacy.

[M3J]

I really am hoping Kushina will say "HAHA, JOKEZ!!1" to Naruto. I really am not in favor of her being the previous jinchuuriki for Kyuubi, at all. Plus, she does like pulling pranks, so that makes sense if she's all srsbsn then JOKETROLLFACE. I mean, Naruto pretended to get his head cut off pranking Yamato, it'd make sense Kushina would do something similar.

Also, I don't see what's wrong with Naruto getting help. He had minor help. For all we know, Naruto would have overpowered Kyuubi's hatred by remembering Jiraiya and even Minato. Kushina may have tripped Kyuubi, but Naruto would have found another way to get Kyuubi, and we have no idea what the Kyuubi was gonna do. Killerbee blocking that shot from Kyuubi... all I can say is that Naruto wouldn't be brought down that easily. :s

Anyway, it was pretty interesting to see going Sage Mode in real life = Sage Mode in mind.

[toussaintac]

He wants to sync Sasuke first? I guess that changes everything. I didn't remember that. I guess Sasuke would give it a shot, though, if he thought it would give him a way to kill Madara.

Well, I don't recall Madara saying he needed to have sasuke synched before he went on with his war, but he did say that was in his plans. Then at the summit he said he was going to use the beasts against them.

I guess it depends on what Madara wants to do. Maybe he can hold off on synching Sasuke. I guess it depends on exactly how the bijuus can be utilized. Since they're sealed in Gedo Mazo, I would assume that you need to be synched to Gedo Mazo to utilize them.

Just depends on how Madara goes about his war effort.
[hr]

I really am hoping Kushina will say "HAHA, JOKEZ!!1" to Naruto. I really am not in favor of her being the previous jinchuuriki for Kyuubi, at all. Plus, she does like pulling pranks, so that makes sense if she's all srsbsn then JOKETROLLFACE. I mean, Naruto pretended to get his head cut off pranking Yamato, it'd make sense Kushina would do something similar.

Also, I don't see what's wrong with Naruto getting help. He had minor help. For all we know, Naruto would have overpowered Kyuubi's hatred by remembering Jiraiya and even Minato. Kushina may have tripped Kyuubi, but Naruto would have found another way to get Kyuubi, and we have no idea what the Kyuubi was gonna do. Killerbee blocking that shot from Kyuubi... all I can say is that Naruto wouldn't be brought down that easily. :s

Anyway, it was pretty interesting to see going Sage Mode in real life = Sage Mode in mind.

It actually makes sense that kushina was the previous jinchu. Otherwise, there would be no reason for her to be dead. Only other way she could be dead is if Kyubi or Tobi killed her or her life was used in the seal (which we know isn't the case for this type of sealing). The death during pregnancy was likely a coverup by people of high authority.

I could care less about Naruto getting help. Pretty much every character has had help from someone. Pein even had help against Jiraiya from Zetsu. I don't know what he did, but pein sure did thank him.

Anyways, I think we'll get the story and then the revealing of Tobi's identity. Maybe something another extra, too. Not sure what, though.

[yellowblue]

Anyway, it was pretty interesting to see going Sage Mode in real life = Sage Mode in mind.

I hope it goes the other way around. Naruto going Sage Mode in the mind = Sage Mode in real life.

He can even train inside his mind by releasing the kyubii and sealing it again. Who knows, Naruto might be able to tame the kyubii by defeating it again and again in his mind.

[ParallaxDragon]

Anyone know if there is a chapter this week? I was told by someone that there isn't but just curious if there is any concrete information on this.

I also wonder if Sasuke can appear inside Naruto's mind world, could Madara do the same and from what happened with Kushina being the past host, could he have opened the gates from back then?

[thefreak]

Did anyone notice that Naruto used some sealing jutsu's Whle unsealing the QB and while subduing the QB. Where did he learn to do that?

[M3J]

She could be dead from other reasons though. She may have aided in fighting the Kyuubi due to her special chakra, but she either used up too much of it or got whacked by the Kyuubi. I really hope there's a good explanation. I don't think we'll see Tobi unmasked though, as Minato did say "masked Akatsuki," unless he knew Tobi usually wore a mask and it somehow got broken. Maybe Minato didn't have enough time to tell Naruto who was behind the mask.

I wonder if Kushina did see Tobi or not, if he was the one controlling Kyuubi.

Also, I moved some posts to the Hangout (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1957264) thread since it felt like they were off topic here.

[Randoug]

Did anyone notice that Naruto used some sealing jutsu's Whle unsealing the QB and while subduing the QB. Where did he learn to do that?

My Take on this


the markings that were on naruto atm before he made the seal looks incomplete...he has markings on his right arm, chest, abdomen, and thigh but non on lower leg, left arm...also the marking on the palm of his right hand was the key to the seal and the whirly sign on his navel with the tomoe was the lock...if i'm correct then that means that each time a jinchuriki obtains full chakra from a beat this sign becomes more complete

[FocusWithin]

As far as we know it is impossible to control a Bijuu inside a host jinkuri... right?

[TwEeD]

As far as we know it is impossible to control a Bijuu inside a host jinkuri... right?

Well Sasuke was able to suppress the Kyuubi in Naruto's mind during the fight at Orichimaru's hide-out so I wouldn't be that sure. But even then we don't know if it would still be possible when the Jinchuuriki has control over his Bijuu.

[Aidenn]

Anyone know if there is a chapter this week? I was told by someone that there isn't but just curious if there is any concrete information on this.

I also wonder if Sasuke can appear inside Naruto's mind world, could Madara do the same and from what happened with Kushina being the past host, could he have opened the gates from back then?

Yeah, unfortunately there is no chapter this week. A couple of weeks ago, when advertising for this weeks release of Jump, Shonen Jump mentioned that this is the week that Naruto would be taking a break. It'll be back next week, though. Kishi just enjoys making us wait for a hopefully epic chapter.
[hr]

Well Sasuke was able to suppress the Kyuubi in Naruto's mind during the fight at Orichimaru's hide-out so I wouldn't be that sure. But even then we don't know if it would still be possible when the Jinchuuriki has control over his Bijuu.

Yeah, I would agree with a lot of people that Sasuke was able to control the Kyuubi's mind/will when he suppressed the Kyuubi back in the beginning to part two. When Naruto is using the Kyuubi's chakra it's like he's actually using his own chakra, which Sasuke cannot control.

[Xerous]

Hehe someone that thinks the same thing I do :D

Why need to hide your face if your the "most powerful" shinobi on earth right now?

The name makes people be scared, but if the face is revealed, well, it'll lose that effect. So for me, he isn't Uchiha Madara but some impostor.

I think this has pretty much been proved.

Minato called him the man in the mask, Kabuto said: I hear you go around calling yourself Madara, Tobi.

So, for me, it's Tobi until I see his face.

I must say it would be a nice adding to the chapter revealing his face.

that would be nice but kishi did the same for nagato and surprise it was nagato :notrust

[ramonb]

In regards to Tobi being unmasked in chap 500, could it be possible that the 1st son of the RS is still alive and is the main antagonist; that would be wayyyy more epic than naruto vs madera IMHO.

[toussaintac]

In regards to Tobi being unmasked in chap 500, could it be possible that the 1st son of the RS is still alive and is the main antagonist; that would be wayyyy more epic than naruto vs madera IMHO.

That actually would way more epic than Naruto vs. Madara. But that would be one OLD dude. He would definitely need a new body. But then the next question would be, why did he wait like 20 generations? lol

[Thabor]

Yeah, I would agree with a lot of people that Sasuke was able to control the Kyuubi's mind/will when he suppressed the Kyuubi back in the beginning to part two. When Naruto is using the Kyuubi's chakra it's like he's actually using his own chakra, which Sasuke cannot control.

Genjutsu is basically controlling someone else's chakra.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/259/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/259/10/

Naruto may be stronger against Genjutsu than before, but there is no reason to believe he is immune yet.

[Huey Freeman]

Genjutsu is basically controlling someone else's chakra.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/259/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/259/10/

Naruto may be stronger against Genjutsu than before, but there is no reason to believe he is immune yet.

Yes there is a reason.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/15/

"Illusions won't work on a host who can control their beast."

Pretty cut and dry I think. It was clear from this statement that Kishi planned to give this ability to Naruto.

[Zoro #1]

Genjutsu is basically controlling someone else's chakra.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/259/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/259/10/

Naruto may be stronger against Genjutsu than before, but there is no reason to believe he is immune yet.

Immune or not naruto now has two ways of disrupting his chakra flow one is kyuubi and the other one is sage mode.

[toussaintac]

Immune or not naruto now has two ways of disrupting his chakra flow one is kyuubi and the other one is sage mode.

Next question is, will Naruto ever learn a genjutsu of his own?

Sasuke (activates EMS): "These eyes can see through anything you can ever try to do. These are the ultimate offense and defense"

Naruto (going into Kyuubi Sage Mode): "Oh? Kyuubi Sage Technique: Wind Element: Fujita 5 Illusion."

[xdanx]

Next question is, will Naruto ever learn a genjutsu of his own?

Sasuke (activates EMS): "These eyes can see through anything you can ever try to do. These are the ultimate offense and defense"

Naruto (going into Kyuubi Sage Mode): "Oh? Kyuubi Sage Technique: Wind Element: Fujita 5 Illusion."
Well, from the very beginning he has been awful with all that kind of jutsus, and I don't really think they will add genjutsu to the list because of that. We don't need another Sasuke. Naruto, even with all the new things, is still pretty normal, with his flaws and impossibilities, and that's the way he should stay.

[3c]

I moved the in depth Madara discussion to the Madara Mega Convo (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51962&page=157) thread. Predicting that he'll be unmasked in chapter 500 is a good and plausible prediction, but in depth discussion about who Madara is and the depths of his secrets should be taken in the proper thread(s). Please continue that discussion there :)

[toussaintac]

Well, from the very beginning he has been awful with all that kind of jutsus, and I don't really think they will add genjutsu to the list because of that. We don't need another Sasuke. Naruto, even with all the new things, is still pretty normal, with his flaws and impossibilities, and that's the way he should stay.

Well, he isn't horrible with jutsu now. However, I do think genjutsu is not his style. He's seem to be an up-front, personality-wise, kind of guy and his moveset reflects that.

To get us back on topic, I think we could possibly get an update on Madara/Sasuke's movements and an update on the alliance. depends n how many panels are used for the flashback.

[Zoro #1]

Well, he isn't horrible with jutsu now. However, I do think genjutsu is not his style. He's seem to be an up-front, personality-wise, kind of guy and his moveset reflects that.

To get us back on topic, I think we could possibly get an update on Madara/Sasuke's movements and an update on the alliance. depends n how many panels are used for the flashback.

Anyone think that there will be a rat in the alliance?

[toussaintac]

Anyone think that there will be a rat in the alliance?

Oh of course. I expect that to be the case. Just like having spies in any other war. I'm sure someone could leak info. Although, you really don't need to have a rat when you have Zetsu.

[Zoro #1]

Oh of course. I expect that to be the case. Just like having spies in any other war. I'm sure someone could leak info. Although, you really don't need to have a rat when you have Zetsu.

Well yeah but even zetsu can't get top secret information that are shared between the kages.

[toussaintac]

Well yeah but even zetsu can't get top secret information that are shared between the kages.

If Oro can impersonate a Kage then Zetsu can definitely do it. Plus, Zetsu can even turn into a Kage if need be. And why would you think a rat could get closer than Zetsu?

[Naruto_Rasengan]

Well yeah but even zetsu can't get top secret information that are shared between the kages.

I wouldn't be so sure.

If no-one notices him attaching himself to them, how difficult would it really be for him to spy on them? He is able to get around quite easily without being noticed it seems.

[Zoro #1]

I wouldn't be so sure.

If no-one notices him attaching himself to them, how difficult would it really be for him to spy on them? He is able to get around quite easily without being noticed it seems.

well that is true, but there is a limit to the things he can do, when i first saw his tech i thought that they were similar to yamato's wood element tech and the way he is able to spy on others. anyone thinks they are the same or am i just BSing.

[GPZrag]

In my opinion it is very true that Zetsu's abilities are GREAT when it comes to spy... however the enemy now has intel on his abilities (Kage meeting incident) therefore they will take all measures to ensure whether they are being spied or not... for example a chakra barrier (like the one used around Konoha) and... it is very difficult to impersonate a Kage... this is because they are themselves very strong and verifying their identity will be easy... as to asking a proof of their strength... won't it?

[toussaintac]

In my opinion it is very true that Zetsu's abilities are GREAT when it comes to spy... however the enemy now has intel on his abilities (Kage meeting incident) therefore they will take all measures to ensure whether they are being spied or not... for example a chakra barrier (like the one used around Konoha) and... it is very difficult to impersonate a Kage... this is because they are themselves very strong and verifying their identity will be easy... as to asking a proof of their strength... won't it?

Oro impersonated the Kazekage.

[Zoro #1]

Oro impersonated the Kazekage.

yeah but the kazekage's body was like 99% covered you could only see the eyes, plus during that time the aka. were not a big issue.

[toussaintac]

yeah but the kazekage's body was like 99% covered you could only see the eyes, plus during that time the aka. were not a big issue.

No excuses. It has been done. Zetsu could copy a whole body. Far better than what oro did. Whether Zetsu can copy techniques, I'm not sure.

[Omnion_1990]

lol people want to see madara unmasked...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/03/

just mirror those wrinkles and short hair:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/16/

[toussaintac]

lol people want to see madara unmasked...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/03/

just mirror those wrinkles and short hair:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/16/

It doesn't quite wrk like that. Especially when it's likely not even Madara.

[Zoro #1]

No excuses. It has been done. Zetsu could copy a whole body. Far better than what oro did. Whether Zetsu can copy techniques, I'm not sure.

Lol, talk about being pushy :D, i'm gonna try to mirror his face now

[Omnion_1990]

It doesn't quite wrk like that. Especially when it's likely not even Madara.

is it madara... kisame has no reason to lie and called him madara, even itachi called him madara... is everyone lying??

i personally believe itachi isnt stupid enough to call someone who isnt madara, madara.

the wrinkles under the eyes match and he was shown with long hair in a flashback. i think people need to stop doubting its him lmfao. even kabuto said he goes by madara. (but i know saying "goes by" cant be interpreted as using a name even if youre not him).

i think his face isnt shown because theres something going on with the left side of his face.

in fact the only thing that can be interpreted as "tobi isnt madara" is probably this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/490/04/

where kabuto has madaras real body, and tobi is an impostor, and if he shows/ tells anyone tobi will get found out hes not madara.

but then this contradicts that:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/490/06/

and kabuto directly calls him madara... imo i think he IS madara...

[zerocooldx]

lol people want to see madara unmasked...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/03/

just mirror those wrinkles and short hair:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/16/

I find it funny that Jiraiya's unyielding certainty of Madara summoning the Kyuubi to the battlefield may come crumbling down now. Unless Madara summoned the Kyuubi from within Kushina to the battle field. Which would be oh so very amusing.

[benelori]

^^Jiraiya wasn't sure of it IIRC...he said he had a feeling...he must at most suspicious I think

[toussaintac]

is it madara... kisame has no reason to lie and called him madara, even itachi called him madara... is everyone lying??

i personally believe itachi isnt stupid enough to call someone who isnt madara, madara.

the wrinkles under the eyes match and he was shown with long hair in a flashback. i think people need to stop doubting its him lmfao. even kabuto said he goes by madara. (but i know saying "goes by" cant be interpreted as using a name even if youre not him).

i think his face isnt shown because theres something going on with the left side of his face.

in fact the only thing that can be interpreted as "tobi isnt madara" is probably this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/490/04/

where kabuto has madaras real body, and tobi is an impostor, and if he shows/ tells anyone tobi will get found out hes not madara.

but then this contradicts that:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/490/06/

and kabuto directly calls him madara... imo i think he IS madara...

Kisame doesn't have to be lying. He may know him as Madara. doesn't mean it is Madara. same for Itachi. also, kabuto calls him Tobi, but says he goes around calling himself Madara. Also, Kabuto was being a smartass in page 6. It was sarcasm. Think about it. He calls him tobi and says he goes around calling himself Madara, so he'll call him that. Then he reveals a coffin and Tobi gets pissed. Then he calls Tobi Madara instead and Tobi gets mad. It was just sarcasm because he knows his identity or at least who he isn't.

[zerocooldx]

^^Jiraiya wasn't sure of it IIRC...he said he had a feeling...he must at most suspicious I think

"I'm certain that it was the result of a very intentional summoning..." (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/15/)

[toussaintac]

"I'm certain that it was the result of a very intentional summoning..." (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/15/)

Does that mean that he was certain it was Madara? It could've been a summoning, but doesn't mean it was by Madara.

Either way, we're all off topic. lol. this always happens when there's a break. I think the thread will be closed sooner or later. lol

[zerocooldx]

Does that mean that he was certain it was Madara? It could've been a summoning, but doesn't mean it was by Madara.

Either way, we're all off topic. lol. this always happens when there's a break. I think the thread will be closed sooner or later. lol

Jiraiya says that only one person (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/15/) could summon the Kyuubi which is Uchiha Madara (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/16/). Sounds to me like Jiraiya was willing to bet the house and the cow on the Kyuubi being intentionally summoned by Uchiha Madara. And i don't think this is off topic. The next chapter will he about what happened 16 years ago when the Kyuubi attacked Konoha.

[toussaintac]

Jiraiya says that only one person (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/15/) could summon the Kyuubi which is Uchiha Madara (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/16/). Sound to me like Jiraiya was willing to bet the house and the cow on the Kyuubi being intentionally summoned by Uchiha Madara. And i don't think this is off topic. The next chapter will he about what happened 16 years ago when the Kyuubi attacked Konoha.

Ok. so this is on topic then. I didn't look at it like that. lol. Well, even if Jiraiya only knew one person that was able to do that, it doesn't mean noone else could. There are probably unique people that can control a beast or summon it. But I think the story will fill some holes so we can come up with better theories for who it might be.

[Hunter]

Because of their status in the story, I think we can take whatever Jiraiya, and Minato say as gospel. Minato knows the masked member of Akatsuki was behind the events of 16 years ago. Minato is shown as the ultimate paragon in the series. Jiraiya strongly believes Madara was responsible as well. While often playing the part of a fool, Jiraiya is shown to be the wisest, and most sincere character in the series.

[benelori]

"I'm certain that it was the result of a very intentional summoning..." (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/15/)

I see, my bad...I only remembered the part where Jiraiya says that he has a premonition that just won't go away

[toussaintac]

Because of their status in the story, I think we can take whatever Jiraiya, and Minato say as gospel. Minato knows the masked member of Akatsuki was behind the events of 16 years ago. Minato is shown as the ultimate paragon in the series. Jiraiya strongly believes Madara was responsible as well. While often playing the part of a fool, Jiraiya is shown to be the wisest, and most sincere character in the series.

You can't take what someone says as gospel if you know they can be fooled. Minato called the dude a masked man. Jiraiya said madara was the only person he knew that could summon the Kyubi. That's not alot of certainty on the identity, especially when you consider how many people there are that have special abilities.

[SenninSage]

Hmm, perhaps one of the mysterious abilities of the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, is to summon the Kyuubi?

It really makes you wonder, though. Sasuke, who is obviously currently in possession of a pair of Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, how does the EMS allowing its user to summon the Kyuubi actually help him against Naruto, who now has control of all of the Kyuubi's chakra, plus has the Kyuubi sealed away using a technique that may be from the Rikudou Sennin's arsenal himself?

Either way, I suppose the situation between Naruto and the Kyuubi from here on out becomes even more interesting. When will they next meet, and what will the Kyuubi have to say to Naruto? Or better yet, what will Naruto have to say to the Kyuubi? There is currently no sign at all, from what I've seen, that Naruto and the Kyuubi are in anyway cooperating with each other yet. In fact, this current development actually makes original complaints about how easy it would be for Naruto and the Kyuubi to become best friends forever, unfounded because that isn't the case at all at the end of their fight. The Kyuubi definitely still hates Naruto and they are definitely not showcasing the partnership that is present between Killer Bee and the Hachibi.
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Because of their status in the story, I think we can take whatever Jiraiya, and Minato say as gospel. Minato knows the masked member of Akatsuki was behind the events of 16 years ago. Minato is shown as the ultimate paragon in the series. Jiraiya strongly believes Madara was responsible as well. While often playing the part of a fool, Jiraiya is shown to be the wisest, and most sincere character in the series.

There's definitely some truth to these statements. There's a lot of developments that are designed to confuse and mislead us in this manga, but until further notice, I think it best to assume that the Fourth and Jiraiya had it right. Because if there is anyone's word we're going to trust, it definitely shouldn't be whoever Akatsuki's Madara is. He may really be Madara, he may not be, but we know enough to know that he's up to no good.

[Hunter]

You can't take what someone says as gospel if you know they can be fooled. Minato called the dude a masked man. Jiraiya said madara was the only person he knew that could summon the Kyubi. That's not alot of certainty on the identity, especially when you consider how many people there are that have special abilities.

If it was anyone but those 2 I would agree. The story is set so the events are obfuscated to give us some sort of mystery. However, Minato is shown as a flawless character and the ultimate hero/shinobi. Jiraiya for all of his faults, is always shown as a very wise sage when he is serious. Neither is the type that can be fooled.

[toussaintac]

If it was anyone but those 2 I would agree. The story is set so the events are obfuscated to give us some sort of mystery. However, Minato is shown as a flawless character and the ultimate hero/shinobi. Jiraiya for all of his faults, is always shown as a very wise sage when he is serious. Neither is the type that can be fooled.

You're kidding. Minato couldn't even lay a finger on Tobi. Also, he never even said with any certainty who he Tobi was. As I recall he called him a masked man. So, as far as identity, Minato knows nothing. Jiraiya doesn't need to be fooled. As I said, there are likely other people with the ability to summon/control a bijuu. Just because Jiraiya says he only knows Madara as the only person he knows could do that, it doesn't mean that tobi is Madara.

Because it's Minato and Jiraiya changes nothing. They are human. Anyone can be fooled. Itachi's been fooled and even Kabuto fooled Tobi. Also, they can be wrong. It's a difference to know as a fact and just say it's who you believe it to be.

[SenninSage]

It really does seem from these later chapters that Minato had planned much further along ahead than Madara could have ever anticipated.

It looks like a well orchestrated plan that is starting to come together at just the right time. And that's about to become even more true as Kushina closes the deal by filling Naruto in on the whole truth of the events that transpired all those years ago.
[hr]

You're kidding. Minato couldn't even lay a finger on Tobi. Also, he never even said with any certainty who he Tobi was. As I recall he called him a masked man. So, as far as identity, Minato knows nothing. Jiraiya doesn't need to be fooled. As I said, there are likely other people with the ability to summon/control a bijuu. Just because Jiraiya says he only knows Madara as the only person he knows could do that, it doesn't mean that tobi is Madara.

Because it's Minato and Jiraiya changes nothing. They are human. Anyone can be fooled. Itachi's been fooled and even Kabuto fooled Tobi. Also, they can be wrong. It's a difference to know as a fact and just say it's who you believe it to be.

He said no name, but he clearly did say that he took notice of the fact that someone was manipulating the Kyuubi from the shadows. How exactly do you know that Tobi laid a finger on Minato? Not being able to lay a finger on someone that has showcased the kinds of abilities that "Madara" showcased isn't surprising in the least, really. This is also further backed up by the fact that he's also a very skilled Sharingan user as well.

There are many powerful shinobi today who couldn't land a finger on Madara with Madara fighting the way he's been fighting with that ghost like ability of his. In fact, in a lot of cases since we've been seeing him in action, he hasn't even been fighting, just dodging, running and avoiding. That doesn't reflect negatively on Minato at all, especially since Madara was, just the same, basically unable to prevent Minato from doing as he pleased on that night. Minato took his ultimate weapon, the Kyuubi, away from him. I'm sure Madara didn't just sit there and allowed all of this to happen. He clearly didn't possess the power necessary to stop the Fourth, whereas the Fourth did in fact stop Madara, from destroying Konoha using the Kyuubi.

One succeeded where the other failed, even if it did come at the cost of his, and potentially also his wife's, life.

[DanielKnoT]

You're kidding. Minato couldn't even lay a finger on Tobi. Also, he never even said with any certainty who he Tobi was. As I recall he called him a masked man. So, as far as identity, Minato knows nothing. Jiraiya doesn't need to be fooled. As I said, there are likely other people with the ability to summon/control a bijuu. Just because Jiraiya says he only knows Madara as the only person he knows could do that, it doesn't mean that tobi is Madara.

Because it's Minato and Jiraiya changes nothing. They are human. Anyone can be fooled. Itachi's been fooled and even Kabuto fooled Tobi. Also, they can be wrong. It's a difference to know as a fact and just say it's who you believe it to be.

I agree... I remenber once that Kakashi said that the Sharingan derived from the Byakugan :facepalm

Also he believe that Rikudou Sennin was just a legend or myth :notrust

So, everyone can be fooled in this manga..

[zerocooldx]

I agree... I remenber once that Kakashi said that the Sharingan derived from the Byakugan :facepalm

Also he believe that Rikudou Sennin was just a legend or myth :notrust

So, everyone can be fooled in this manga..

But what does that say about the author then? Retracting prior statements isn't a good thing. And Kishi has done that a few times already. For the sake of the manga i hope that he doesn't do that here with how the Kyuubi attacked Konoha.

[Seui]

I was wondering, considering how we've seen the Jūbi with a Rinnegan/Sharingan type of eye, if that has to do with controlling the Kyūbi(Or other tailed beast for that matter).

If they're all the broken down chakra of the Jūbi after all, then a user who has the eyes of the Jūbi(Or eyes which have derived from it's "eye") should also have some control of it's chakra as well, even if it's temporary(Much like Madara's control of the Kyūbi with his EMS).

So despite Naruto RS seal of the Kyūbi, I'm figuring just like the Great Toad Sage mentioned, a "young man with powerful eyes" may mean Sasuke's EMS might be able to gain control of/or temporarily stop Naruto's Kyubi chakra from aiding him in his fight.

Just my two cents anyway.

[toussaintac]

But what does that say about the author then? Retracting prior statements isn't a good thing. And Kishi has done that a few times already. For the sake of the manga i hope that he doesn't do that here with how the Kyuubi attacked Konoha.

The thing is, the author isn't retracting anything. Just becaue he makes Jiraiya say that he only knows one person able to summon , but then turns out that it's not madara doesn't make it a retraction.

If I said I believed one person to have stolen my PS3, but it tunr s out to be someone else, does that mean God made a retraction in my life? lol

It just means Kishi meant for that person to end up being wrong. Is it a retraction if Jiraiya thinks he killed all the Peins just for three more to come out andtake his arm? No.

[DanielKnoT]

But what does that say about the author then? Retracting prior statements isn't a good thing. And Kishi has done that a few times already. For the sake of the manga i hope that he doesn't do that here with how the Kyuubi attacked Konoha.

Yeah...

Madara said that was a natural disaster..

Minato said that was the masked man controlling it..

and now what kushina will say??? She will confirm the version of Madara or Minato OR tell a new story?

[toussaintac]

I was wondering, considering how we've seen the Jūbi with a Rinnegan/Sharingan type of eye, if that has to do with controlling the Kyūbi(Or other tailed beast for that matter).

If they're all the broken down chakra of the Jūbi after all, then a user who has the eyes of the Jūbi(Or eyes which have derived from it's "eye") should also have some control of it's chakra as well, even if it's temporary(Much like Madara's control of the Kyūbi with his EMS).

So despite Naruto RS seal of the Kyūbi, I'm figuring just like the Great Toad Sage mentioned, a "young man with powerful eyes" may mean Sasuke's EMS might be able to gain control of/or temporarily stop Naruto's Kyubi chakra from aiding him in his fight.

Just my two cents anyway.

Well, for controlling the kyubi to work, Madara/Sasuke would have to use the sharigan to take control of Kyubi's mind. Thing is, that no longer matters because Naruto's mind/will controls the chakra now. So, if Sharingan got a hold of Kyubi, Naruto could snap him out and vice versa. that's how I understand it at least.

[zerocooldx]

The thing is, the author isn't retracting anything. Just becaue he makes Jiraiya say that he only knows one person able to summon , but then turns out that it's not madara doesn't make it a retraction.

If I said I believed one person to have stolen my PS3, but it tunr s out to be someone else, does that mean God made a retraction in my life? lol

It just means Kishi meant for that person to end up being wrong. Is it a retraction if Jiraiya thinks he killed all the Peins just for three more to come out andtake his arm? No.

Characters in this manga don't have that much independent thought.

[toussaintac]

Characters in this manga don't have that much independent thought.

The author gives them their independent thought. It's not a retraction. He can purposefully have a character seem as if they're right and then turn out to be wrong. Just because he has Jiraiya say he believes the person to be Madara doesn't mean Jiraiya will be right. It's not like it's Kishi himself saying, "It was Madara." There's a difference between what Kishi is saying and what he is having a character say.

[zerocooldx]

The author gives them their independent thought. It's not a retraction. He can purposefully have a character seem as if they're right and then turn out to be wrong. Just because he has Jiraiya say he believes the person to be Madara doesn't mean Jiraiya will be right. It's not like it's Kishi himself saying, "It was Madara." There's a difference between what Kishi is saying and what he is having a character say.

So what do you call Shukaku being called a sealed priest? Or the weird Bijuu Cloak thing that Gaara possessed? Or when he was sleeping on Shukaku's head and acted as medium? Kishi intentionally did all of that? You can only use this as a defense for so long before it gets down right ridiculous.

[Seui]

Well, for controlling the kyubi to work, Madara/Sasuke would have to use the sharigan to take control of Kyubi's mind. Thing is, that no longer matters because Naruto's mind/will controls the chakra now. So, if Sharingan got a hold of Kyubi, Naruto could snap him out and vice versa. that's how I understand it at least.

I gotcha', it was just something that crossed my mind since the EMS's over all power is still a mystery at this point. Which is why I was wondering, if disrupting one of many Chakra's would still work the same way as it would against regular Sharingan/MS user, or if it would just over ride it all together.

[toussaintac]

So what do you call Shukaku being called a sealed priest? Or the weird Bijuu Cloak thing that Gaara possessed? Or when he was sleeping on Shukaku's head and acted as medium? Kishi intentionally did all of that? You can only use this as a defense for so long before it gets down right ridiculous.

What was your point with those examples? Dude just let it go. It's not a retraction if Jiraiya turns out to be wrong. As i said. it's one thing for Kishi to say, "It's Madara." It's another Jiraiya to say who he believes it to be. Bottom line. Period. No getting around that. DIPSET!!!!

Anyways, I don't necessarily want to see Sasuke, but i do wish to glimpse his EMS. Other than that, I'm sure the next chapter will be great as far as info and maybe even some fighting in the flashback.

[Oathencrantz]

I wonder if I was the only one who suddenly started to feel sorry for the Kyuubi; especially when him and Nagato now share the same severely emaciated body.

& smh @ the Kyuubi's supreme death ball being bigger than himself, if anyhow he got that attack off...

[toussaintac]

I gotcha', it was just something that crossed my mind since the EMS's over all power is still a mystery at this point. Which is why I was wondering, if disrupting one of many Chakra's would still work the same way as it would against regular Sharingan/MS user, or if it would just over ride it all together.

Well, I'm not 100% sure. That's just the theory. EMS might have something more potent than just a normal genjutsu from sharingan (like how Sasuke did Manda). But it still makes sense that, even if Sasuke/Madara were to control Kyubi's will, kyubi no longer has control of the chakra. So with that said, it would seem that they couldn't stop Naruto's transformation. It'll be funny to watch one of them try just to fail epically as Naruto continues with his transformed assault.
[hr]

I wonder if I was the only one who suddenly started to feel sorry for the Kyuubi; especially when him and Nagato now share the same severely emaciated body.

& smh @ the Kyuubi's supreme death ball being bigger than himself, if anyhow he got that attack off...

lol. I think naruto may have Rasengan'd it back if Kyuubi got it off. Kyuubigot pissed though. That was funny.

[Omnion_1990]

al i hope is kishi or one of his goons arent trolling these boards and read what toussaintac posts are saying.

cos if what he says is true im gunna rage big time lol. kishi needs to stop strongly insinuating and making characters say things definitively then poop on them by spinning the plot and taking a break to make sense of it.

spinning the plot is a good way of rejuvenating a stale plot, but sometimes it just gets plain nonsense. anyway i really wanna see the "truth" that happened 16 years ago.

everyone so far have said its the "masked man"/ madara who controlled the fox and now when kushina says "the truth...." it does make you doubtful, i can see that.

[Paradoxicon]

lol people want to see madara unmasked...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/03/

just mirror those wrinkles and short hair:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/16/

Hrmm, going along with my previous thought of the 4th Mizukage being "Tobi": we only saw Tobi's right face half, so maybe he's hiding his scar
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/458/03/
Also the scar is at his left eye, which could mean he's blind there so he can wear that mask no problem.

So maybe all Mizukage get a Sharingan in their right eye, Godaime Mizukage got her eye covered too ^^
Would explain Tobi's stock. Maybe they collected them over decades.

[Killerbee]

rikodou sennin rikodou sennin, so we saw "the body" with Naruto, we wait Sasuke. I feel that Tobi will do a bad joke, putting a rinnengan instead of Itachi's eyes. :D

[Seui]

Well, I'm not 100% sure. That's just the theory. EMS might have something more potent than just a normal genjutsu from sharingan (like how Sasuke did Manda). But it still makes sense that, even if Sasuke/Madara were to control Kyubi's will, kyubi no longer has control of the chakra. So with that said, it would seem that they couldn't stop Naruto's transformation. It'll be funny to watch one of them try just to fail epically as Naruto continues with his transformed assault.
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True, plus Sasuke doesn't know of Naruto's Sage mode chakra either(I only remember Madara telling Sasuke he had grown even more powerful then him), so I think that'll play a big role with Sasuke trying to either control/stop the Kyubi's chakra, or use of any high level Genjutsu.

Still, it's definitely going to be interesting to see how it plays out.

[toussaintac]

Guys, just imagine how easy it would be for jinchu to take control of their bijuu if they had the help of of an Uchiha.

If Sasuke instead of Killer Bee in naruto's mind:

They both go into Naruto's mind. Naruto releases seal. Kyuubi rages.

Sasuke: "Sit boy."
*Kyubi sits obediently*
Sasuke: "Now give him your chakra and disappear."
*Naruto draws all of chakra out of Kyubi*
*Sasuke and Naruto both walk away and as they completely disappear from Naruto's mind, they both say, "PWND!!!!"*

[Exodi]

You know, it just occurred to me....
The next chapter is the 500th chapter. That....is amazing.

My favorite part of the chapter was Kushina's little piece of information: she was the previous Kyuubi jinchuuriki.

[SenninSage]

I agree... I remenber once that Kakashi said that the Sharingan derived from the Byakugan :facepalm

Also he believe that Rikudou Sennin was just a legend or myth :notrust

So, everyone can be fooled in this manga..

But has Kakashi ever showcased the degree of foresight and planning that the Fourth clearly has with the revelations in, not just these last few chapters, but also the ones following Six Tail, Demon Fox Cloaked Naruto fighting against Pain?

He definitely hasn't. The Fourth was a one in a decade genius as Jiraiya once stated to Tsunade, and the fact is clearly being proven with all these things he planned ahead for. And if by any chance whatsoever the Fourth has something to do with Naruto's using of the Sage of the Six Path's seal, then the Fourth is even more awesome than previously thought.

With the upcoming flashbacks we may finally have a real opportunity to see just how the battle played out between the Fourth and the Kyuubi, and the true details accompanying whatever skirmish the Fourth had with Madara on that night as well.
[hr]

Guys, just imagine how easy it would be for jinchu to take control of their bijuu if they had the help of of an Uchiha.

If Sasuke instead of Killer Bee in naruto's mind:

They both go into Naruto's mind. Naruto releases seal. Kyuubi rages.

Sasuke: "Sit boy."
*Kyubi sits obediently*
Sasuke: "Now give him your chakra and disappear."
*Naruto draws all of chakra out of Kyubi*
*Sasuke and Naruto both walk away and as they completely disappear from Naruto's mind, they both say, "PWND!!!!"*

As silly as it may seem, there may actually be some truth behind how easy the process could end up being with a powerful Uchiha on your side.

In the midst of all of these things happening and coming together at once, just what in god's name could Itachi's gift to Naruto be?

[elitefox]

So there is no chapter this week

Haha, here I am waiting for spoilers :(


anyways, I am hoping for the sage kyubi revelation or some sort of techs that he can use that wouldn't kill sasuke in one shot. Naruto really needs something that cannot grind sasuke.

i.e. sword fighting, paralyzing technique, beating the ass taijutsu, eye sealing technique(no eyes, no uchiha)

I kinda pity sasuke when he fights a non-nerf naruto who is trying to kill him with all his might.

[GPZrag]

So there is no chapter this week

Haha, here I am waiting for spoilers :(


anyways, I am hoping for the sage kyubi revelation or some sort of techs that he can use that wouldn't kill sasuke in one shot. Naruto really needs something that cannot grind sasuke.

i.e. sword fighting, paralyzing technique, beating the ass taijutsu, eye sealing technique(no eyes, no uchiha)

I kinda pity sasuke when he fights a non-nerf naruto who is trying to kill him with all his might.
Where is it stated that there is no chapter week?, why is that?

[topkomputer]

Anyways, I don't necessarily want to see Sasuke, but i do wish to glimpse his EMS. Other than that, I'm sure the next chapter will be great as far as info and maybe even some fighting in the flashback.

What a lie, you just want to see Sarusuke. Naruto is kinda boring anyway.

[M3J]

Yeah...

Madara said that was a natural disaster..

Minato said that was the masked man controlling it..

and now what kushina will say??? She will confirm the version of Madara or Minato OR tell a new story?

Minato said the masked man was controlling it, and Itachi said Madara was controlling it. Jiraiya even suspected it may have been Madara that summoned Kyuubi. I really hope Kushina supports that, otherwise it'll be wtfbbq time. It also makes me wonder whether she really was the host or not. :\ Two different people say it was masked man/Madara, and Minato didn't mention anything about Kushina. X_X

[GPZrag]

Minato said the masked man was controlling it, and Itachi said Madara was controlling it. Jiraiya even suspected it may have been Madara that summoned Kyuubi. I really hope Kushina supports that, otherwise it'll be wtfbbq time. It also makes me wonder whether she really was the host or not. :\ Two different people say it was masked man/Madara, and Minato didn't mention anything about Kushina. X_X
That may be the reason why she said: "I want to tell you the TRUTH about the incident 16 years ago..."
Reading Kushina saying that tells me that all we have learn 'till this point regarding the Kyubi accident it's either a lie or we had been reading incomplete information... and now Kushina is gonna disclose us the whole deal... :)

[Zatono]

It was probably incomplete information. There are a couple possibilities of what could of happened.

1. Madara killed Kushina in order to release the 9-tails, and considering we already know from Minato that it was Madara's fault way back then, this is the most probable option.

2. Kushina died in child birth, which is also probable, and Madara just happened to be around at the time and set the Kyuubi on a rampage over the village, thus leading what happened.

I can't really think of another good scenario that involves Kushina AND Madara, so that's it =/

[Centrelink]

I have to wonder if now naurto's beautiful pure chakra has just increased infinatly in both power and supply weather he is about to come into the possession of a certain shark sword.

[xaither]

I think the truth is that, kushina herself tried to control the fox, but could not and the fox got release. somehow madara came into contact with the fox after it was released and controlled it. would explained why kushina was in naruto... or something like that idk, its a prediction

or, Because she was going to give birth to a child, they had to realease the fox so that naruto could survive or something like that..

[Zoro #1]

It was probably incomplete information. There are a couple possibilities of what could of happened.

1. Madara killed Kushina in order to release the 9-tails, and considering we already know from Minato that it was Madara's fault way back then, this is the most probable option.

2. Kushina died in child birth, which is also probable, and Madara just happened to be around at the time and set the Kyuubi on a rampage over the village, thus leading what happened.

I can't really think of another good scenario that involves Kushina AND Madara, so that's it =/

Wouldn't the kyuubi die if tis host is dead, if madara had to extract the kyuubi, kushina would be close to death, or had to be mentally broken to let the kyuubi escape.

[elitefox]

Wouldn't the kyuubi die if tis host is dead, if madara had to extract the kyuubi, kushina would be close to death, or had to be mentally broken to let the kyuubi escape.

Still full of ifs and maybes, maybe we should wait for the chapter to come now :p

I hope it will be tomorrow.
I see lots of "Aw, I had to wait for another week."


We are still not sure if the kyuubi will die if the host died or some sort maybe if it sealed like naruto or maybe not.

[Eman]

Can't wait to see what, 'that jutsu' finally is, now that he's mastered the Kyuubi's chakra.

[THM Nindo]

The thing is...
maybe Kushina didn't gave birth naturally...

Maybe she was gravely injured and lost control of the Kyubbi...
Then, she was about to die, and Minato used her last moment to get Naruto out of her womb... who knows...
(might be a bit too morbid for the average preteen reader, so I guess that's not what she's going to tell :tem)

[lionel messi]

man no chapter this week really stinks.go thing though is that its summer vacation and i have some time in my hand :).

back to topic
the main thing that will be revealed next week i think is who sealed the kyuubi in kushina and when. was that the reason she was brought to konoha? it was certainly part of the reason those cloud nins tried to kidnap her.

[Naruto_Rasengan]

Considering Minato and Kushina were able to plan so far ahead they may have anticipated Madara's attack to an extent. Why else would they have been able to plan so far ahead? If they did it all in the heat of the moment I will be surprised, because they did an extremely good job of sealing Kyuubi and putting measure in place to protect Naruto.

If Kushina died giving birth there really isn't any way that I can imagine Minato was able to use her chakra to seal Kyuubi in Naruto. We know for a fact that Ksuhina's chakra was used to seal Kyuubi, what we don't know is how.

[Deepak5191]

Now that I think about it, I dont remember a single instance of Madara ever denying being behind the attack on the Leaf all those years ago.
All he ever denies is summoning the Fox, never anything about using it to destroy Konoha.

My theory, and it's just that for now, is that during pregnancy a bijuu can take control off the baby and have a human body and mind to cause destruction with once it grows up. It's been said that a human host is better able to use the powers of their bijuu then the bijuu itself with sufficient training since the bijuu is pretty wild and mindless. If a bijuu could grow up as a human and learn the way humans do, then eventually it would be beast.
If Minato knew this then he may have released the bijuu since Kushina cared more about Naruto's life than her own and there was no way around it. Madara, knowing about the situation, took advantage of the situation and controlled the Kyuubi to initiate the attack.

If anyone sees any flaws that I haven't please go ahead and trash my theory, thats what these forums are for :P

[Centrelink]

A total mindmelting Idea hit me a few seconds ago:

Before the flashback/explanation happens old mate in the shark sword busts out and interrupts Naturo from his trance leaving what happened all those years ago as a mystery until the final chapters when Madara reveals it as part of his final plan.

That would be a work of genius. I can hear the QQ already.

[jdw]

After 500 chapters, Kishi better not pull a damn stunt like that. There is nothing genius about it. He and I would become enemies on the spot. You don't want me as an enemy :m3j

[dark lord]

About Kushina, she must be one hell of a woman. First she gave birth to Naruto, then she almost immediately afterwards ran out and helped Minato seal (and fight?) the fox. She should be applauded.

i think of it more like she gave birth and died cuz kyuubi was out .

[Cueil]

i think of it more like she gave birth and died cuz kyuubi was out .

it's more likely she transformed due to Madara taking advantage of her weakened state after birth

[3c]

it's more likely she transformed due to Madara taking advantage of her weakened state after birth


i think of it more like she gave birth and died cuz kyuubi was out .

What conflicts with this is that Minato supposedly used Kushina's chakra for the seal. How did he do that if Kushina had already died by transforming into Kyuubi? Kishi has really messed up lately IMO, and he has to pull off some amazing explanations to convince me of this being planned all along and not a huge retcon with big plot holes. A possibility would be that Kushina was still alive but fully transformed and being manipulated by Madara, and Minato forcibly used Kushina's chakra that was buried within Kyuubi to perform the very seal that sealed Kyuubi. However this sound incredibly farfetched.

[Bleachigo]

Kisame is going to come out. Naruto and Bee are going to fight super Kisame and its going to be time for Naruto to test out his new powers. Just a thought.
[hr]
Another thing is Kushina probably gave birth to naruto then got captured by Madara, when he was going to seal the nine tails she probably let the nine tails take over herself. Minato probably knew it was her and sealed the nine tails in Naruto because when he was ready to seal it he knew Kushina would come out. Again, this is just athought.

[vintagemistakes]

If you wish to discuss Naruto vs Sasuke, Genjutsu, or anything else that isn't related to this chapter please take it to the the appropriate thread in Toshokan (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=39) or the main Naruto board (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=25). Thanks.

Jinchuuriki and Controling Bijuu (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55323&highlight=bijuu)
Naruto's new form (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61999)

[Blanka]

The Kyuubi is different. Its unlimited chakra, comes from unlimited negative emotions. I think the fox will eventually have to be convinced that his host can change that in a large scale. If that happens i think it will be an uneasy alliance that, if Naruto ever faltered for a moment would crumble.

[DevilsNeverCry]

Well based on the versatility of the Death God summon, I'd say that whilst summoning him and sealing Kyuubi, he and Kushinas spirits would have met along the way, allowing them to combine their chakras in the seal, give Naruto a complete seal AND seal parts of themselves in with the Kyuubi to ensure that one day Naruto figures out the way to do it without killing himself in the process.

Time will tell I guess but I hope its reasonable as my theory is, within the realms of Naruto.

[Alterno]

Spoilers are likely to come this sunday, monday in japan... that's when they generally appear when Kishimoto takes a break.

Anyway, I hope we get a lot of new information related to the Kyuubi, this ia making naruto a more interesting character, probably he will gain access to top secret information of Konoha, or information that was never documented by Konoha.

[Drlame]

Nice chapter, enough happened to move the story forward. Also I can't see why people complain about Naruto always using the rasengan; sure it gets one dimensional and dull, but seriously. The rasengan is an A-rank jutsu that, afaik, is yet to be completed. You guys expect Naruto to devise a new jutsu stronger than the rasengan on his own? Not likely.

[jdw]

Afaik, rasengan was completed with the creation of fuuton rasen shuriken, and Rasengan itself is A-rank.

[laughing@you]

Nice chapter, enough happened to move the story forward. Also I can't see why people complain about Naruto always using the rasengan; sure it gets one dimensional and dull, but seriously. The rasengan is an A-rank jutsu that, afaik, is yet to be completed. You guys expect Naruto to devise a new jutsu stronger than the rasengan on his own? Not likely.

:err?

He modified a seal made he had no knowledge of, so why can he create his own jutsu?

I just felt sometype of dejavu right now!! :p

[hakuthehedgehog]

Alright, crazy theory time (I will get one right before the end of the manga, mark my words):
Naruto only had the yang part sealed in him right?
Now, by defeating that part, the yin part was taken from the death god, and so, the seal was redisegned so that the yin part could be dealt with later on, but with Naruto having all of yang's chakra's at his disposal.

[TearsOfScarlet]

Nice chapter, enough happened to move the story forward. Also I can't see why people complain about Naruto always using the rasengan; sure it gets one dimensional and dull, but seriously. The rasengan is an A-rank jutsu that, afaik, is yet to be completed. You guys expect Naruto to devise a new jutsu stronger than the rasengan on his own? Not likely.

fuuton rasen shuriken is S-Rank and in a way... IT IS NARUTO'sown jutsu... as he is and was the only one who could complete it.

[White Silver King]

Here's some food for thought. If the QB wasn't actually unsealed from Kushina and it just took her over due to anger/stress/whatever that means Minato had to kill his own wife, seal the monster responsible into his own son, and have his soul sealed into the stomach of a demon god to fight the same beast for all eternity to do so.... life is rough.

[Invader]

I know... I just KNOW that this is how this is going to end...

Kushina: "Naruto - one last thing before I go..."
Naruto: "Yeah?"
Kushina: "Hinata... You have to tell her..."

And then poof she's gone.

[White Silver King]

^Haven't you been paying attention? Naruto is completely FUCKED UP romantically/sexually. In fact, the only person Naruto has ever expressed attraction to is his own mother....yeah.

[jdw]

I know... I just KNOW that this is how this is going to end...

Kushina: "Naruto - one last thing before I go..."
Naruto: "Yeah?"
Kushina: "Hinata... You have to tell her..."

And then poof she's gone.

Tell here what?
1. I like you!
2. I love you!
3. Thanks, but no thanks!
4. My heart belongs to another :p
5. I hate you enough to manifest juubi.

[Invader]

Tell her what?

That's the point. It is COMPLETELY ambiguous what it means. Then she'll dissapear and it won't get any attention ever again. ;)

[pimp naruto kun]

I know... I just KNOW that this is how this is going to end...

Kushina: "Naruto - one last thing before I go..."
Naruto: "Yeah?"
Kushina: "Hinata... You have to tell her..."

And then poof she's gone.

slightly off topic but i'm so tired of people somehow believing that kushina will help push naruhina pairing. Naruto's interaction if anything would help naru-saku at this point seeing as how kushina in personality is more like sakura (violent, hot headed, may fall for the blond kid she used to think was weird) (not saying this will happen and arguments from both sides can be contradicted). people continously try to compare minato's relationship with naruhina when it is simply not the case people keep saying "kushina at first didn't like minato so that means naruto can love hinata (even though he has shown no feelings for her) and people recently are comparing either sakura or hinata to kushina's looks to try to justify why one pair will happen.

back on topic: i predict that next chapter as expected we will hear the "truth" about what happened the day naruto was born. i have a feeling that towards the end of the chapter we may see sasuke's new eyes or that their will be some twist told about madara dealing with the story of the kyuubi attack. I think that it will probably not be the end of the story this coming chapter and the following chapter will resolve it by having kushina leave or possibly kisame attacking

[jdw]

Heh heh, Kisame needs to stay in his lane. If he tried to take on Naruto and Bee together before Naruto mastered Kyuubi he'd end up on death's door and likely dead, but trying to attack them now? After Naruto had on the Rikudou Sennin jumpsuit? LOL no way :p

[Invader]

Hey - I didn't say it was pushing NaruHina. :) You just 'assumed' that. For all you know Kushina might mean, "You have to tell her you don't love her..." Or, "You have to tell her your'e gay for Sauske..."

[pimp naruto kun]

Hey - I didn't say it was pushing NaruHina. :) You just 'assumed' that. For all you know Kushina might mean, "You have to tell her you don't love her..." Or, "You have to tell her your'e gay for Sauske..."

sorry it just sounded like that from your post because their have been at least a couple other posts were people use kushina to push a pairing. and kushina doesnt have to tell naruto to tell her the second one most people already know :p jk. but i could see how she could affect something like that i just would prefer it to happen in a less ambigious way. also i hope she knocks some sense into naruto the orange hokage that is an incredibly dumb ass nickname she should also tell him to change into cooler clothes if he's going to stick to a jumpsuit at least make it look like minato's addida's esque thing it would be better than what naruto has on now

[Delbi]

Not sure if anyone mentioned it yet, but Naruto's new found mastery over the Kyuubi still leaves him vulnerable to genjutsu.

I mean, he's trapped him in some kind of cage, how can the Kyuubi break him out of any genjutsu if Naruto has trapped him?

Their relationship isn't anything like Bee and Hachibi's, it's not mutual, the Kyuubi is simply Naruto's lap dog.

[Naruto_Rasengan]

Not sure if anyone mentioned it yet, but Naruto's new found mastery over the Kyuubi still leaves him vulnerable to genjutsu.

I mean, he's trapped him in some kind of cage, how can the Kyuubi break him out of any genjutsu if Naruto has trapped him?

Their relationship isn't anything like Bee and Hachibi's, it's not mutual, the Kyuubi is simply Naruto's lap dog.

In the same method we've known about for years. By instantly releasing a large amount of chakra and overpowering the Genjutsu.

Considering Naruto has access to the largest sources of chakra we know of, in the form of Sage Mode, which increases all ninja attributes (including genjutsu) greatly and Kyuubi's chakra which he now has full access to. He may not be completely immune to Genjutsu, but he definitely has everything he needs to break them and then-some.

[malcolm]

agreed, good luck trying to cast genjutsu on bi-polar naruto now, only an uchia can probably do that now(madara/sasuke) since they can supposedly control the 9 tails.

but a little of topic... i think the reference of rikudou sennin was solely for the jutsu or the new seal or whatever..but i do think naruto is related...i think naruto will at one point in the manga recieve rinnengan....i think rinnengan is not genetics but rather ideology...i know we hav'nt heard too much about other users other than pein and the sage but all three had a very similar ideology(hardcore)...world unity...and this manga is called naruto by the way so overkill has no meaning...he IS supposed to be badass...

p.s....kisame better not think about taking a piss break any time soon

[jaws]

my prediction for next chapter----->kushina wil tel this:p : at the time naruto was born kushina was weakend by the labor madara waited for this exact moment and he released the kyuubi whit hes sharingan somehow thru a genjutsu normaly this could not happen but because of kushina was weakend it did kushina body was then forever changed in the kyuubi resulting in here dead( we know from bee that when a host loses full control the bijou takes over and is released resulting in the dead of the host) while the kyuubi was ramping in konoha minato was fighting madara but he couldnt stop him because he somehow couldnt hit him(because of madaras warp thingy)maybe if there was time he could think of something but the kyuubi was killing people, people he cared about so he did what any hokage would do safe hes people even if he would get killed.
he had to stop it somehow so he called the anbu (kakashi was in anbu that time around thats how he knows) and the third and used hes jutsu to seal the fox in hes son (because minato used the jutsu some of hes chakra was placed in the seal and because the fox used kushinas body to get released her chakra was in the seal also that would also explain why minato showed during reseal and kushina showed when naruto mastered the kyuubi). i dont think this happend on a coinsident minato did it intentuly but this is how there chakra got in there i think, that way he stopped the killing and left the kyuubi in konohas hands and more importantly there legacy would live on tru there son who they wanted to grow up and become and exelent kindhearted shinoby wou would change the ninja world

[empeethree]

Madara doesn't need to cast genjutsu on Kushina, he's a smooth talker.
We don't know what's the truth that happens 16 years ago, it may lead to telling the story of her in rage that time and the kyuubi was actually the result of her rage from knowing a truth. Perhaps about her past life? The destruction of Land of Whirlpools?

[Hiruzen]

I don't know if anyone said this yet but naruto does look a bit like rikudou when he got his new seal.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/373/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/499/13/

The 9's around his neck and his hair look similar.

[juUnior]

Ok, Naruto will end up with Karui :p <besides NaruxHina, I'm also a fan of that pairing> <offtopic - end>

Prediction: Kushina's story will be more than 1 chapter long - or so I hope. I would be glad if Sasuke's EMS was shown on later moment, when, for example, Naruto masters Kyuubi, so not 500th chapter <as I said: I think its not finished yet; there were already 2 steps, I think there will be at least 1 more. Just acquiring the chakra of the bijuu doesn't mean you're 100% in control of that power - even Naruto stated "I'm not going to hurt you, Kyuubi" and "wait" thingy which suggests its not the end, imo. And I want frog katas spari... I mean, jinchuurikis sparing :p> The chapter will end with a nice cliffhanger in retrospection time xd

[tactics]

:err?

He modified a seal made he had no knowledge of, so why can he create his own jutsu?

I just felt sometype of dejavu right now!! :p

The seal was with him his whole life. You get to know something pretty well when it's a part of you.

[avantasian]

I don't know if anyone said this yet but naruto does look a bit like rikudou when he got his new seal.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/373/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/499/13/

The 9's around his neck and his hair look similar.

Didnt you read the chapter? Kyubi said it before anyone in this forum :p

[jaymizzo]

Not sure if anyone mentioned it yet, but Naruto's new found mastery over the Kyuubi still leaves him vulnerable to genjutsu.

I mean, he's trapped him in some kind of cage, how can the Kyuubi break him out of any genjutsu if Naruto has trapped him?

Their relationship isn't anything like Bee and Hachibi's, it's not mutual, the Kyuubi is simply Naruto's lap dog.

If the uchiha can control the kyuubi, they can probably only control its physical form, but even if thats the case, with the new rikudou style seal placed, they will be in for alot, if they try entering narutos mind lol

And i dont think the sharingan can control chakra. infact it cant at all :) so, no way they can control naruto at this point

and the genjutsu bit, I think if Naruto is in sage mode, genjutsu wont affect him as much, unless he is stupid enough to keep staring sasuke in the eyes the whole fight lol...

and i dunno if someone mentioned this, but remember back to itachis crow, what if, he set it up so that he could reverse mind fuck sasuke when he tries to enter narutos head lol :oh

[nunaitachi]

I´m pretty skeptical about Nruto´s new God-like powers.

- When Bee interacts or fuses with the 8 tails, we generally see him inside the beast.
- As for Naruto, with this new seal performed, it seems a different type altogether. It doesn´t seem that Naruto will be able to fuse with the fox like Bee, meaning he will only be able to draw out the chakra.
- I don´t see Naruto being GOD for a long time. Cause from what we are inclined to imagine about his powers, he could right now pretty much obliterate almost everyone in Narutoverse.
- How will Sasuke fit in all this, seing that he always gets a power-up to make him stronger than Naruto.
- Kishi will definetely add some more power to him, being it from the EMS or something else.
- Does this mean that the manga is actually going towards their final battle? (Naruto & Sasuke) I don´t see how much stronger they can get.
- I have a suspicion that because Naruto didn´t merge with the fox, Madara will still steal it and resurrect the 10 tails.

My biggest curiosity is seing how Kishi will manage once again to give Naruto a major power-up for a single battle and then bring him back to "normal".
What I mean is, he got Sage mode, became awsome and fought Pain. Right after it, he just seemed too normal. I mean for a guy who beat Pain, he got disarmed pretty easy by the Iron folks.
Ok, so he didn´t actually get into any real fight after Pain, but still....his Sage power was barely shown and he now already gets super ultra awsome mega blaster Kyuubi chakra????
Seriously WTF???

Can´t wait to see how Kishi is gonna straight this out.

On a different note....next anime episode should be interesting...FOXXXXX!!!

Peace.

[Zoro #1]

Guys both the Hachibi and the Kyuubi were sealed with a different type of seal, so controling aand accesing their chakra will be different, secondly madara or sasuke can't just release the kyuubi from the seal they need the key for it. Don't you think madara or some other ninja like oro. could have done it long time ago if it was that easy to just walk into someone's mind and pull of the paper and release the fox.

On to genjutsu, naruto still has sage mode that he can use to disrupt his chakra. and any how i really don't think we have seen the full extent of the sage mode yet i mean comeon naruto was only in training for couple of days so there has to be more to sage mode, plus naruto really hasn't shown what he had learnt in the 2 1/2 years he was with J-man.

[Susanoo]

And i dont think the sharingan can control chakra. infact it cant at all :) so, no way they can control naruto at this point


In genjutsu you manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain. Since the Sharigan has the strongest genjutsu's I would take that as being able to control chakra.

I am with you on waiting to see Itachi screw with Sasuke again. :tem

[Invader]

I´m pretty skeptical about Nruto´s new God-like powers.

Yeah - it's an issue. Naruto's got infinite chakra and he really should be able to squash even the most insanely powerful opponents as if they were gnats. Sasori, Diedara, Orochimaru, Kakuzu, Hidan, and even Pain/Nagato... They were a challenge before, but now? Honestly he should be able to manhandle them like he was a 240 pound muscle-bound pimp and they were 105 pound hookers in 6 inch heels. EMS Sauske should be the only thing even remotely challenging.

It'll be hard to write a 'challenge' for him to face. I call it the "Superman Syndrome". When your protagonist (like Superman) is so powerful he can push planets out of orbit by burping, how can you write stories that people can relate to? We'll see... :)

[nunaitachi]

Guys both the Hachibi and the Kyuubi were sealed with a different type of seal, so controling aand accesing their chakra will be different, secondly madara or sasuke can't just release the kyuubi from the seal they need the key for it.

Well, to play the devil´s advocate, it´s not a FACT that they can´t pull it off. As we have not been shown the actual events of the kyuubi attack, we can only ASSUME so.


and any how i really don't think we have seen the full extent of the sage mode yet i mean comeon naruto was only in training for couple of days so there has to be more to sage mode, plus naruto really hasn't shown what he had learnt in the 2 1/2 years he was with J-man.

Just adds to what I was saying before. Naruto has just turned into a GOD.
Considering what power he has and what power we can assume he will get and his strength + kyuubi chakra....who right now can stand up to him?

I doubt EMS is enough...then again Kishi does like wanking off to Sasuke...

Kishi has made the fox into a meaningful character story wise. IMO it would just be weird to see it being caged until the end of the manga.
Naruto will either loose control of it or loose it completely.

Peace.

[Auditore]

Could it be that with the nine tails power and the itachis gift are the reasons for rikudou spirit appearance? (the strong eyes and body , Uchiha and Senin)

[nunaitachi]

Could it be that with the nine tails power and the itachis gift are the reasons for rikudou spirit appearance? (the strong eyes and body , Uchiha and Senin)

Following your train of thought, unfortunately i can see kishi pushing Itachi´s story even further and linking him to other past events, by associating his past with Naruto - Rikudou - Kyuubi, sealing, etc.
[hr]

lets face it either or another there will come a point where naruto will loose the Kyuubi and madara will create the Juubi or naruto will seal all the tailed beast in himself and become the 10 tails Jin.

Yeah..that´s how I see the story going.

[Zoro #1]

Yeah - it's an issue. Naruto's got infinite chakra and he really should be able to squash even the most insanely powerful opponents as if they were gnats. Sasori, Diedara, Orochimaru, Kakuzu, Hidan, and even Pain/Nagato... They were a challenge before, but now? Honestly he should be able to manhandle them like he was a 240 pound muscle-bound pimp and they were 105 pound hookers in 6 inch heels. EMS Sauske should be the only thing even remotely challenging.

It'll be hard to write a 'challenge' for him to face. I call it the "Superman Syndrome". When your protagonist (like Superman) is so powerful he can push planets out of orbit by burping, how can you write stories that people can relate to? We'll see... :)

I agree with all of it but, naruto's chakra is not infinite, bcz if it was then the 4th couldn't have been able to divide the kyuubi's chakra and second naruto would not be able to take the chakra out of kyuubi. there is a limit to the chakra. the 9tails chakra is just insanely huge, its not infinite.;)

[Zoro #1]

I´d love to the a PS3 game up until this point into the manga....so many cool characters and epic battles.

Off topic: Do they have a naruto game that follows the storyline?

On topic: Could someone please explain to me what that big dark ball the Kyuubi created, bcz i'm sure its not chakra ball other wise it wouldn't have broken up like that.

[bananax]

not sure if this has been posted yet, but from the last chapter, when the kyuubi is sealed again, the necklace pattern on Naruto looks the same as the Sage of the Six Paths.

:|!!

haha just read a few posts above =)

[THM Nindo]

Could it be that with the nine tails power and the itachis gift are the reasons for rikudou spirit appearance? (the strong eyes and body , Uchiha and Senin)

Never thought about it.
With Itachi giving some of his power to Naruto, Naruto does have both the Body and the Spriit now.

It make sense.

[Zoro #1]

not sure if this has been posted yet, but from the last chapter, when the kyuubi is sealed again, the necklace pattern on Naruto looks the same as the Sage of the Six Paths.

:|!!

haha just read a few posts above =)

There was a discussion that it was the part of the new rik. seal.

[Smokes]

Yeah - it's an issue. Naruto's got infinite chakra and he really should be able to squash even the most insanely powerful opponents as if they were gnats. Sasori, Diedara, Orochimaru, Kakuzu, Hidan, and even Pain/Nagato... They were a challenge before, but now? Honestly he should be able to manhandle them like he was a 240 pound muscle-bound pimp and they were 105 pound hookers in 6 inch heels. EMS Sauske should be the only thing even remotely challenging.

It'll be hard to write a 'challenge' for him to face. I call it the "Superman Syndrome". When your protagonist (like Superman) is so powerful he can push planets out of orbit by burping, how can you write stories that people can relate to? We'll see... :)

I think Naruto's got a while before he hits that wall. Kishi will probably have him leaping through hoops with the fox trying to form a bond with it or something. He'll still, somehow , have a hard time and level up gradually as this thing goes along.

But I do wonder about the powers new opponents are gonna have. I guess we'll see a lot of chakra sucking powers and people moving faster than the eyes can follow and such.

[Asakujaku]

The majority of these questions and speculation should be answered in the almighty 500th chapter. Either way I cannot wait, and the artwork had better be superb.

[Zoro #1]

Lets face it naruto needs a talk with the kyuubi, all the talk till now was "stupid fox" and naruto wonder why the fox hates him.

[WickedNeko]

Yeah - it's an issue. Naruto's got infinite chakra and he really should be able to squash even the most insanely powerful opponents as if they were gnats. Sasori, Diedara, Orochimaru, Kakuzu, Hidan, and even Pain/Nagato... They were a challenge before, but now? Honestly he should be able to manhandle them like he was a 240 pound muscle-bound pimp and they were 105 pound hookers in 6 inch heels. EMS Sauske should be the only thing even remotely challenging.

It'll be hard to write a 'challenge' for him to face. I call it the "Superman Syndrome". When your protagonist (like Superman) is so powerful he can push planets out of orbit by burping, how can you write stories that people can relate to? We'll see... :)

Naruto may have infinite chakra, but he has limit on how much chakra he can use at once. To put it in RPG terms, there's a difference between being able to use 1 mp spell 10000 times and 100 mp spell 100 times, even though both end up with consumption of 10000 mp.

Imagine that he has an entire Hoover dam full of chakra, but he only has regular household facet to draw that chakra out. I think Naruto's further progress will be about increasing the size of that facet.

[THM Nindo]

I think I might not read the spoilers this week...
This chapter is so important... that it would kinda ruin the chapter to read it bit by bit with the spoilers...

[jdw]

Meh, I am not interested in Naruto just using more chakra. I want to see new skills not just more clones and a planetary rasengan.

[purearab318]

Yeah - it's an issue. Naruto's got infinite chakra and he really should be able to squash even the most insanely powerful opponents as if they were gnats. Sasori, Diedara, Orochimaru, Kakuzu, Hidan, and even Pain/Nagato... They were a challenge before, but now? Honestly he should be able to manhandle them like he was a 240 pound muscle-bound pimp and they were 105 pound hookers in 6 inch heels. EMS Sauske should be the only thing even remotely challenging.

It'll be hard to write a 'challenge' for him to face. I call it the "Superman Syndrome". When your protagonist (like Superman) is so powerful he can push planets out of orbit by burping, how can you write stories that people can relate to? We'll see... :)


naruto does not have the whole chakra of the fox.
he only has the yang chakra sealed within him. while the yin chakra is understood to be sealed within the death god.

yin chakra sealed with shiki fuujin
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/12/

yang chara sealed into naruto
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/13/

so naruto does not have an unlimited amount of chakra.

orochimaru will still be a very difficult opponent to naruto because he can summon the dead to fight for him

[Askia32]

I think I might not read the spoilers this week...
This chapter is so important... that it would kinda ruin the chapter to read it bit by bit with the spoilers...

I stopped reading the spoilers a couple months ago and it really does make the chapters seem a bit better. I find myself being less critical... if that's possible.


naruto does not have the whole chakra of the fox.
he only has the yang chakra sealed within him. while the yin chakra is understood to be sealed within the death god.

yin chakra sealed with shiki fuujin
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/12/

yang chara sealed into naruto
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/13/


They Kyuubi is said to have infinite chakra, what is half of infinity?

[lionel messi]

naruto does not have the whole chakra of the fox.
he only has the yang chakra sealed within him. while the yin chakra is understood to be sealed within the death god.

yin chakra sealed with shiki fuujin
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/12/

yang chara sealed into naruto
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/13/

so naruto does not have an unlimited amount of chakra.

orochimaru will still be a very difficult opponent to naruto because he can summon the dead to fight for him

dude naruto would still have MASSIVE PRETTY MUCH INFINITE amount of chakra despite the fact that he only has access to the yang chakra. u seem to think just cuz he has access to the yang, its not that much to be considered infinite.i think ur underestimating just how MUCH chakra the kyuubi has bro

[M3J]

Didnt you read the chapter? Kyubi said it before anyone in this forum :p
He said it was Rikudou's, there was an apostrophe there. It's used as possessive, so it means that he saw something of Rikudou's, which could mean jutsu. Though right now, I just thought he could also mean Rikudou's form. X_X
Makes more sense if it was his jutsu though, IMO. Naruto's "horns" were because of chakra outlining his hair, methinks.


My biggest curiosity is seing how Kishi will manage once again to give Naruto a major power-up for a single battle and then bring him back to "normal".
What I mean is, he got Sage mode, became awsome and fought Pain. Right after it, he just seemed too normal. I mean for a guy who beat Pain, he got disarmed pretty easy by the Iron folks.

Iron folks? Apart from Omoi and Karui (Cloud), we didn't see him fight. Dunno if you count an attempted rasengan on Tobi though. But he did pretty well against the Kumo; he was fast to react and even caught a sword with his clone's bare hands. Only time he was even touched was when I think Karui whacked his clone. Karui beating Naruto doesn't count, he let her beat him. <_<

So I think Naruto will still be normal, as he was after getting rasengan, training with Jiraiya, after inventing FRS, and after attaining Sage Mode. Kyuubi Mode will be there for him, probably anytime he wants, but it won't increase his skills. Neither will Sage Mode unless he goes into Sage Mode. It would make sense if he's normal as to use Kyuubi's chakra, he has to draw upon it.

[purearab318]

I stopped reading the spoilers a couple months ago and it really does make the chapters seem a bit better. I find myself being less critical... if that's possible.



They Kyuubi is said to have infinite chakra, what is half of infinity?

in math youre correct that half of infinite chakra is infinite.

but let me point out that this chara is not whole.. the concept of yin and yang is about balance, when you remove one such is the case here the yang chakra remaining is no longer balance thus no longer infinite.

check out this link about ying and yang..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

[yellowblue]

It'll be hard to write a 'challenge' for him to face. I call it the "Superman Syndrome". When your protagonist (like Superman) is so powerful he can push planets out of orbit by burping, how can you write stories that people can relate to? We'll see... :)

In the manhwa Id, the protagonist can even beat a god but the author is able to manage keeping the story interesting by making the hero weak at some point. Even in DB GT, Goku is transformed to a kid to control his godlike powers. Kishi will have no problems in controlling Naruto's powers. He can always make him look dumb when not facing the real villain.

I hope both Sasuke and Naruto further advance their ultimate jutsu after acquiring EMS/fox chakra jumpsuit. I wish that even Kakashi will be able to improve as well and the talk with his dad is not just another side story.

Lastly, I hope dark Naruto will appear physically as an upgrade to his normal bunshin. It would be funny to have a more evil like/eros version of Naruto.

[elitefox]

dude naruto would still have MASSIVE PRETTY MUCH INFINITE amount of chakra despite the fact that he only has access to the yang chakra. u seem to think just cuz he has access to the yang, its not that much to be considered infinite.i think ur underestimating just how MUCH chakra the kyuubi has bro

Well I believe, he can fight 1000 or even more orochimaru continuously just to spend all the chakra.
[hr]

In the manhwa Id, the protagonist can even beat a god but the author is able to manage keeping the story interesting by making the hero weak at some point. Even in DB GT, Goku is transformed to a kid to control his godlike powers. Kishi will have no problems in controlling Naruto's powers. He can always make him look dumb when not facing the real villain.

I hope both Sasuke and Naruto further advance their ultimate jutsu after acquiring EMS/fox chakra jumpsuit. I wish that even Kakashi will be able to improve as well and the talk with his dad is not just another side story.

Lastly, I hope dark Naruto will appear physically as an upgrade to his normal bunshin. It would be funny to have a more evil like/eros version of Naruto.

I cannot really see the point of Naruto having to advance FRS to a greater heights else

he really wants to bring back sasuke in liquid form and to present to sakura, here is your beloved sasuke:eyeroll

[Askia32]

in math youre correct that half of infinite chakra is infinite.

but let me point out that this chara is not whole.. the concept of yin and yang is about balance, when you remove one such is the case here the yang chakra remaining is no longer balance thus no longer infinite.

check out this link about ying and yang..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

Thats an argument that will go completely off-topic. Kishi using both yin and yang with chakra blurs the actual meaning of the two. Look up chakra and you will see what I mean.

[xaither]

Does it really matter the amount of chakra that naruto has, i mean he has the kyubi and thus one of the most chakra character so far in the manga. i don't really care much about his chakra because i know he has alot, it what he used the chakra for that i care about, will he develope new tech or not ?

[Rikudou King]

They Kyuubi is said to have infinite chakra, what is half of infinity? The Kyuubi was never said to have infinite chakra, Merely an enormous amount.

[enraI]

Since naruto got the fox chakra under control, does he even have to go on sage mode to fight? It would be cool if he can make his clone explode will in fox mode, do something extra with the clones, cause they starting to get irrelevant IMO

[Naruto_Rasengan]

Lets face it naruto needs a talk with the kyuubi, all the talk till now was "stupid fox" and naruto wonder why the fox hates him.

What? Do you not recall any of their meetings? Basically you're saying that Kyuubi hates Naruto because he was called "stupid fox" etc, but hey let's just forget the Kyuubi is a mass of hatred.

I agree Kyuubi and Naruto need to get on similar terms, however it's somewhat difficult when Kyuubi is trying to kill you. Naruto plans on talking to Kyuubi, and not harming him. It's just a matter of when.


Since naruto got the fox chakra under control, does he even have to go on sage mode to fight? It would be cool if he can make his clone explode will in fox mode, do something extra with the clones, cause they starting to get irrelevant IMO

I don't think Naruto needs to go Sage Mode or use Kyuubi chakra for a majaority of fights, his base mode alone is quite formidable. But then again he's only going to be facing the strongest people alive, so I'd suggest it depends on the circumstances.

Naruto is currently working on improving Sage Mode, mastering Kyuubi and will likely move on to completing "That Jutsu". How are his Kage Bunshin irrelevant? His entire fighting style is based around his superb use of Kage Bunshin. It is his most versatile jutsu, like it or not.

[warriorofvirtue]

I stopped reading the spoilers a couple months ago and it really does make the chapters seem a bit better. I find myself being less critical... if that's possible.



They Kyuubi is said to have infinite chakra, what is half of infinity?

Classic and I agree. this really is a no brainer.
For my prediction though..........I think we'll be introduced to the next stage of bijuu training and maybe a little kisame comment on his situation.I'd like to no more about why naruto had the rikoudou body thing.......very interesting. And I can't wait to see when Naruto gets back to konoha..........he already looked like a badass when he beat Pain, i bet they are thinking theres no way he can get better but now he's coming back some more for them.making of a legend!!!
[hr]

What? Do you not recall any of their meetings? Basically you're saying that Kyuubi hates Naruto because he was called "stupid fox" etc, but hey let's just forget the Kyuubi is a mass of hatred.

I agree Kyuubi and Naruto need to get on similar terms, however it's somewhat difficult when Kyuubi is trying to kill you. Naruto plans on talking to Kyuubi, and not harming him. It's just a matter of when.



I don't think Naruto needs to go Sage Mode or use Kyuubi chakra for a majaority of fights, his base mode alone is quite formidable. But then again he's only going to be facing the strongest people alive, so I'd suggest it depends on the circumstances.

Naruto is currently working on improving Sage Mode, mastering Kyuubi and will likely move on to completing "That Jutsu". How are his Kage Bunshin irrelevant? His entire fighting style is based around his superb use of Kage Bunshin. It is his most versatile jutsu, like it or not.

To expand on that theory..............I think he should be working toward Pein's level. Meaning he would be in konoha but sending Clones out to fight. He could do multiple missions at once and just imagine a squad of Naruto's. You beat one and another comes though it would be hard to beat one looking at his progression

[NAM61]

Meh, I am not interested in Naruto just using more chakra. I want to see new skills not just more clones and a planetary rasengan.

this will always happen naruto will never get more then more chakra to power up his rasengan and clones. like most shonen heroes they will never use many more then their signature moves like goku with his kamehemaha yusuke and his spirit gun and others. we will probably never see naruto learn many more jutsus then maybe the jutsu minato left behind if it was actually a new jutsu. which is sad.

[darthzark]

I was thinking, what if Kushina's "special chakra" was a way to release and re-seal the kyubi? That would explain a lot of things.
Madara knew Kushina was the Jinchuriki, and attacked her when she was pregnant and vulnerable. Kushina tried to defend herself with the kyubi and Madara used that chance to control it with EMS. Madara overpowered kushina and Minato wasn't able to get there in time.
With that, madara was able to control kyubi without kushina dying. That would explain why the kyubi knows that the chains are from kushina, maybe they're just chakra chains, that bind the kyubi. Also, maybe that's how kushina was able to give birth to Naruto and then help Minato seal the kyubi using her "special chakra".
It would be nice if naruto could use the kyubi's chakra, but if he gets in a bind, to be able to use the kyubi as a summon he can control. Hopefully Itachi's gift would have something to do with stoping the sharingan from taking control of the kyubi, as long as naruto is in control.
If naruto could control the kyubi like a summon, there would be a chance for the two of them to cooperate, maybe not getting along, but doing it to defeat madara.
It also gives us a chance to see the kyubi out and about, and that's how madara captures him without naruto being at risk of dying.

And since naruto JUST took control of the kyubi, there is no way for him to know about the "special chakra" until now.
So many possiblitites.

[Ryoku]

Whenever Kisame feels like showing up, I predict that it will be a battle where Naruto can show his powers (I'm sure this has been said before). The damn samehada would just suck up Naruto's sage chakra and turn to stone. Then, it'll be a real test of his powers.

[Ryoku]

I was thinking, what if Kushina's "special chakra" was a way to release and re-seal the kyubi? That would explain a lot of things.
Madara knew Kushina was the Jinchuriki, and attacked her when she was pregnant and vulnerable. Kushina tried to defend herself with the kyubi and Madara used that chance to control it with EMS. Madara overpowered kushina and Minato wasn't able to get there in time.
With that, madara was able to control kyubi without kushina dying. That would explain why the kyubi knows that the chains are from kushina, maybe they're just chakra chains, that bind the kyubi. Also, maybe that's how kushina was able to give birth to Naruto and then help Minato seal the kyubi using her "special chakra".
It would be nice if naruto could use the kyubi's chakra, but if he gets in a bind, to be able to use the kyubi as a summon he can control. Hopefully Itachi's gift would have something to do with stoping the sharingan from taking control of the kyubi, as long as naruto is in control.
If naruto could control the kyubi like a summon, there would be a chance for the two of them to cooperate, maybe not getting along, but doing it to defeat madara.
It also gives us a chance to see the kyubi out and about, and that's how madara captures him without naruto being at risk of dying.

And since naruto JUST took control of the kyubi, there is no way for him to know about the "special chakra" until now.
So many possiblitites.

If Naruto were to summon the kyuubi, he would summon the weakened one--you know, the kyuubi that had all of its chakra sucked out and looks like skin and bones :P
Albiet still very powerful, I don't see Naruto summoning a dried-out kyuubi.

[purearab318]

the kyubi has been split by yondaime hokage so does this mean fusing the kyubi with the other tailed beast will still be viable?

[elitefox]

the juubi is technically dead so it does not count.

inorder for the juubi to be reborn all the tailed beasts for shikaku to kyubi would have to be captured.

that means naruto has to die.. and i dont think the main character will die.

anyway i have a question....
the kyubi has been split by yondaime hokage so does this mean fusing the kyubi with the other tailed beast will still be viable?


Well there were a lot of speculations on that topic

but my best bet is that tobi will push it, I mean he will use 1-8 tails to revive the juubi since naruto has become more powerful and untouchable.

I imagine it to be incomplete juubi jinchiruki if possible vs kyubi naruto :D

incomplete juubi jinchiruki - tobi or sasuke will fit

and more is
if sasuke actually needed to be a jinchi, then he will lose the battle of ems vs sage kyubi naruto
if tobi will be it then, it might be sasuke had been turned by naruto and has no choice but to do this. :p

[Paradoxicon]

I stopped reading the spoilers a couple months ago and it really does make the chapters seem a bit better. I find myself being less critical... if that's possible.



They Kyuubi is said to have infinite chakra, what is half of infinity?

*sigh* there should really be a list of things that have been discussed and clarified over and over.
Tell me exactly, wise guy, if Kyuubi has infinite chakra, then how much chakra did the Juubi have? Double infinity?
Kyuubi obviously has ridiculous chakras, but no matter if he's just at half or full power, as we could see with Hachibi he could be drained of all of his chakra in just one fight. There is no "infinite" chakra.

[lvarella]

*sigh* there should really be a list of things that have been discussed and clarified over and over.
Tell me exactly, wise guy, if Kyuubi has infinite chakra, then how much chakra did the Juubi have? Double infinity?
Kyuubi obviously has ridiculous chakras, but no matter if he's just at half or full power, as we could see with Hachibi he could be drained of all of his chakra in just one fight. There is no "infinite" chakra.

I don't think Kyyubi has infinite chakra, what I think is that Kyuubi can regenerate it very fast (like it can regenerate Naruto's skin) and when you have enormous pool of chakra will allow you to fight for a long time, giving you the sensation of infinity.

[Invader]

naruto does not have the whole chakra of the fox...so naruto does not have an unlimited amount of chakra

The whole yin/yang chakra split is fairly irrelevant to the point. Even the amount of chakra the Kyuubi had AFTER being split is spoken of as being immense to the point of numerical irrelevancy. When I (and others) say 'infinite' chakra we obviously don't mean 'infinite' in the sense that it is inexhaustible. When we speak of the universe as being 'infinite' we don't REALLY mean that it has no absolute end. We just mean that for all real, practical intents and purposes it is so large that talking about it in realistic terms you have to use the word 'infinite'.

For example in the world of Naruto... Let's say for example that the 'average' Ninja has a chakra total of about 1,000 'chakra points'. Let's also say that the 'average' jutsu takes about 25 chakra points to use. So in a fight this hypothetical average Ninja can use about 20 'average' jutsu and 10 or so 'higher level' jutsu before he's exhausted.

Naruto in normal mode would still have a huge amount of chakra. Kakashi said that he had over twice as much as him, and without interference would have 100X. So let's say that 'normal Naruto' has 100,000 chakra points. That's an amazing amount in Ninja terms.

But let's say the Kyuubi's 'Yang' chakra is a BILLION chakra points. Sure - a billion isn't 'infinite'... But in terms of the ninja world it might as well be, because Naruto could spam the highest level jutsus in a fight and never come close to touching the sum total. See what I mean? The numbers I gave were just hypothetical of course, but it illustrates the theory of what I'm talking about.


orochimaru will still be a very difficult opponent to naruto because he can summon the dead to fight for him

Baloney. Naruto was spanking Orochimaru in only FOUR tailed mode. Orochimaru wasn't doing jack to him. By the end of the fight Orochimaru was getting worn out. If that fight had continued then Naruto would have torn Orochimaru apart and wouldn't so much as gotten a scratch. Naruto clawed off his face, tore off his arm, ripped him in half, and then blasted him through a triple demon gate. 'Tough fight'? Ha.

[Naruto2011]

I here alot of you guys talking about naruto summning the nine tails, but wouldn't he just transform into it like killer bee does?

[Parth]

I don't think Kyyubi has infinite chakra, what I think is that Kyuubi can regenerate it very fast (like it can regenerate Naruto's skin) and when you have enormous pool of chakra will allow you to fight for a long time, giving you the sensation of infinity.

negative.. not quite..

it depends on the size of the fight..say for eg. the time when naruto was hurt with the poison knife in the zabuza arc.. he was able to regenerate his skin cos QB's chakra wasnt touched @all.. but assume a fight b/w kyuubi and hachibi.. so much of qb's chakra will be used that he wont be able to regenerate.

think of it as a fight between u and a 5 yr old, and a fight with a man ur size.

[Dragon Slayer]

the kyubi has been split by yondaime hokage so does this mean fusing the kyubi with the other tailed beast will still be viable?

it would but the problem is that Naruto only has half of the kyuubis chakra. the other half is unknown ye but, i do have a pretty good idea wr it is.:eyeroll

[hakuthehedgehog]

IMO, I believe Naruto will pull the yin part of the Kyuubi out of the death god, which is "that jutsu" is all about: completely controlling the shinigami without sacrificing your life.
IMO, jiraya already taught Naruto the seals for the death god, but without control of the Kyuubi, it can't be done yet.

[Aidenn]

Baloney. Naruto was spanking Orochimaru in only FOUR tailed mode. Orochimaru wasn't doing jack to him. By the end of the fight Orochimaru was getting worn out. If that fight had continued then Naruto would have torn Orochimaru apart and wouldn't so much as gotten a scratch. Naruto clawed off his face, tore off his arm, ripped him in half, and then blasted him through a triple demon gate. 'Tough fight'? Ha.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to Kabuto, as he mentioned summoning dead people. But who knows.

I keep thinking that Naruto will indeed fight with Kisame to test his new abilities. But why is Guy there? Hopefully just for some comedy between he and Kisame. I don't really want to see anyone interfering with the Kisame fight. (or wearing him down before hand for that matter)

[ForMotherRussia]

I've just realised how important the next chapter is. Apart from Naruto finally mastering the ninetails and his goodbyes with his mother, we will finally learn the whole story about the ninetails attack, the main point of which, in my opinion, is to show us which part of Madara's story that he told to Sasuke is true and which isn't.

And actually, from what i've read, i can already tell that Madara's story is a lie. If there was a jinchuuriki for the ninetails before that fateful night, that means that it definetely wasn't a natural disaster, as he said. Madara has found a way to extract it from host (in his weakened state, as he is now) and unleash it on Konoha.

[llamapie]

I've just realised how important the next chapter is. Apart from Naruto finally mastering the ninetails and his goodbyes with his mother, we will finally learn the whole story about the ninetails attack, the main point of which, in my opinion, is to show us which part of Madara's story that he told to Sasuke is true and which isn't.

And actually, from what i've read, i can already tell that Madara's story is a lie. If there was a jinchuuriki for the ninetails before that fateful night, that means that it definetely wasn't a natural disaster, as he said. Madara has found a way to extract it from host (in his weakened state, as he is now) and unleash it on Konoha.

Well my guess is Minato and Kushina lived in the woods away from the village. Kushina gives birth to Naruto but is extremely weakened from the experience and so is her will. Madara may have noticed the 9 tails leaking out of her and went to investigate and with a little push from the sharingan she went full 9 tails. So when Minato sealed the 9 tails into Naruto (the baby) part of Kushina was sealed in him as well. This much explains how she still had her special chakra inside of Naruto. All Naruto had to do was open the seal completely to give her access.

This makes the most sense to me. This will also make this fight a lot more personal for Naruto when he is fighting Madara. And lets face it guys if Madara shows up out there 16 years ago looking like he does now, there is really no viable theory he is anyone but Madara.

So to me the importance to this next chapter or chapters is to shut up you trolls who still think he isn't Madara. :P

[Rikudou King]

I've just realised how important the next chapter is. Apart from Naruto finally mastering the ninetails and his goodbyes with his mother, we will finally learn the whole story about the ninetails attack, the main point of which, in my opinion, is to show us which part of Madara's story that he told to Sasuke is true and which isn't.

And actually, from what i've read, i can already tell that Madara's story is a lie. If there was a jinchuuriki for the ninetails before that fateful night, that means that it definetely wasn't a natural disaster, as he said. Madara has found a way to extract it from host (in his weakened state, as he is now) and unleash it on Konoha. Well we can already pretty much guess that that part of his story was false. But technically Kushina being the Jinchuuriki could still make it a natural disaster. If Madara didn't know about Kushina being the Kyuubi host, Then he would have no reason to not think that it was a natural disaster.

[pimp naruto kun]

hopefully next chapter or some chapter after will finally prove to people which has already been proved, that naruto took all the kyuubi's chakra not a major portion like some people are claiming but all of it

[purearab318]

hopefully next chapter or some chapter after will finally prove to people which has already been proved, that naruto took all the kyuubi's chakra not a major portion like some people are claiming but all of it

naruto does not have the whole chakra of the fox.
he only has the yang chakra sealed within him. while the yin chakra is understood to be sealed within the death god.

yin chakra sealed with shiki fuujin
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/12/

yang chakra sealed into naruto
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/13/

naruto divided the yang chakra only taking the white chakra sealing the mind of the kyubi.

still i was wandering how the kyubi was able to create a black chakra ball before being sealed?

[Lofwyr]

Uhm, one question: Doesn't Maito Guy and Naruto know Kisame's sword? Both "fought" against Kisame as Itachi visited Konoha after the battle with the sound and wind. Maito Guy even fought him a second time on the hunt for Sasori / Deidara, only some kind of clone though. They should recognize the sword, shouldn't they?

[Rikudou King]

Neither of them are exactly the sharpest person so they could very well not have realize that, But it's more likely they were told that Kirabi killed Kisame and took the sword.

[sage mode]

naruto does not have the whole chakra of the fox.
he only has the yang chakra sealed within him. while the yin chakra is understood to be sealed within the death god.

yin chakra sealed with shiki fuujin
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/12/

yang chakra sealed into naruto
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/13/

naruto divided the yang chakra only taking the white chakra sealing the mind of the kyubi.

still i was wandering how the kyubi was able to create a black chakra ball before being sealed?


That doesn´t mean that he has not the full chakra. It is only a variation of the Chakra. Like Good and Evil, both exists in a Human and only both makes a Human Complete. a Human without both sides has the same power but isn´t really complete.

[xaither]

naruto does not have the whole chakra of the fox.
he only has the yang chakra sealed within him. while the yin chakra is understood to be sealed within the death god.

yin chakra sealed with shiki fuujin
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/12/

yang chakra sealed into naruto
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/13/

naruto divided the yang chakra only taking the white chakra sealing the mind of the kyubi.

still i was wandering how the kyubi was able to create a black chakra ball before being sealed?

I am not sure, but i believed that the fourth would not seal away the yin chakra if it had no use to naruto, so one can assume that the yin chakra is not important.

And the reason why i believed that the kyubi was able to make that large chakra ball was because of its Will, it was said that the kyubi's power was made up of two parts, its chakra and its Will.
[hr]
Also, i understand why naruto sealed the fox away. Everyone assume that naruto is trying to controll the kyubi, but in fact he's trying to control the kyubi's chakra, not the kyubi. I feel that the kyubi is different from all other Bijuu's, that is why Bee is able to be friends with his bijuu, but naruto can't because his bijuu has the will of Mass of hatred. Because bee's bijuu does not have a will of mass hatred, he was able to be nice and stuff to bee.

For some reason it looks like bee depends on his bijuu for chakra, but i believed that not what suppose to happen. thats why i believed naruto is going to be different from other jinchuriki.

[toussaintac]

Guys, this really isn't even important. Let's just say it has a indefinite amount of chakra. Anyways, I'm interested in why the jewels showed up around his neck. Are those material or part of a seal? I'm starting to think that stone Tsunade gave Naruto that Yamato and Hashirama could use to suppress bijuu are from whatever this necklace is that Rikudo wore around his neck. But I guess I'll have to see if naruto still has them around his neck after his finishes and/or when he leaves his mind.

[3c]

I moved the whole "Kyuubi's chakra infinite or not" discussion into the Hangout (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61879&page=7), take it there instead. It's way too strayed off from the limited topic this chapter and the next provides. Try to keep it on topic now or else this thread really doesn't serve any purpose anymore and can be locked. There's always the Hangout and the rest of the giant Naruto board to utilize. Use it for what it's worth.

[SenninSage]

Well, one thing that I think will end being pretty significant as we move on, is whether that new seal technique that Naruto used against the Kyuubi will be the only new technique that he suddenly has access to, as of gaining control of all the Kyuubi's chakra.

It would be interesting, indeed, if Naruto now had access to quite a few new techniques. Who knows, perhaps there's a part of the Rikudou Sennin's power that is still present inside the chakra of the Kyuubi. After all, the Kyuubi is the closest thing in existence to the Juubi, and the Juubi, and thus Kyuubi, have been apart of the Rikudou Sennin's very existence for quite some time. Perhaps it isn't just the Jinchuuruki who takes on or retains characteristics of the bijuu, but maybe the reverse is also true.

Naruto may have gained some of the Rikudou Sennin's power. As crazy as it may sound, there has to be some explanation, no matter how small, as to why the Rikudou Sennin's necklace appeared around Naruto's neck as he appeared to receive that look of enlightenment, and then immediately followed it up with a technique out of the Sage of the Six Path's arsenal.

[toussaintac]

Well, one thing that I think will end being pretty significant as we move on, is whether that new seal technique that Naruto used against the Kyuubi will be the only new technique that he suddenly has access to, as of gaining control of all the Kyuubi's chakra.

It would be interesting, indeed, if Naruto now had access to quite a few new techniques. Who knows, perhaps there's a part of the Rikudou Sennin's power that is still present inside the chakra of the Kyuubi. After all, the Kyuubi is the closest thing in existence to the Juubi, and the Juubi, and thus Kyuubi, have been apart of the Rikudou Sennin's very existence for quite some time. Perhaps it isn't just the Jinchuuruki who takes on or retains characteristics of the bijuu, but maybe the reverse is also true.

Naruto may have gained some of the Rikudou Sennin's power. As crazy as it may sound, there has to be some explanation, no matter how small, as to why the Rikudou Sennin's necklace appeared around Naruto's neck as he appeared to receive that look of enlightenment, and then immediately followed it up with a technique out of the Sage of the Six Path's arsenal.

I think the host influences the bijuu once the host has taken the chakra. I wonder if Rikudou ever went inside his mind to tame the Jyuubi. Had to fight the thing twice. He beat it once before. I guess he could do it again.

I wonder if Kyuubi knows some techniques that he could teach Naruto. We've seen bijuus perform jutsu before. Maybe that's one of the reasons Naruto palns to come back, on top of not wanting to have Kyubi caged up like that for his extended stay in Naruto. I wouldn't want him caged up either.

I'm so excited for the next chapter though. We get the exact story with no bs, straight from the ex-host herself. I still think Tobi isn't Madara. It's likely Kushina probably had something in her past that Minato didn't know about and probably some stuff she witnessed that night that Minato didn't.

[Zoro #1]

I think the host influences the bijuu once the host has taken the chakra. I wonder if Rikudou ever went inside his mind to tame the Jyuubi. Had to fight the thing twice. He beat it once before. I guess he could do it again.

I wonder if Kyuubi knows some techniques that he could teach Naruto. We've seen bijuus perform jutsu before. Maybe that's one of the reasons Naruto palns to come back, on top of not wanting to have Kyubi caged up like that for his extended stay in Naruto. I wouldn't want him caged up either.

I'm so excited for the next chapter though. We get the exact story with no bs, straight from the ex-host herself. I still think Tobi isn't Madara. It's likely Kushina probably had something in her past that Minato didn't know about and probably some stuff she witnessed that night that Minato didn't.

Wait bijuus can perforn jutsus:blink

[toussaintac]

Wait bijuus can perforn jutsus:blink

Shukaku using wind element (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Wind_Release:_Drilling_Air_Bullet)

[lionel messi]

the reason why rikudou sennin's necklace appeared around naruto was because, i think, minato developed a sealing technique very similar to that of the sage and that was why the necklace appeared and the reason kyuubi recognized the resemblance.how minato could have possibly created a technique similar to the sage i dont know.but then again, how did he create hiraishin;). thats just what i think.

[FocusWithin]

No buying the whole idea of Kushina giving birth to Naruto and loosing the 9 tails. I think it had to happen when she was younger. Longest week off in Naruto history, but we will have our answer soon. Naruto wearing the Sage of the six paths necklace has something to do with Nine tails chackra for sure, after sealing the beast it disappeared

[xaither]

the reason why rikudou sennin's necklace appeared around naruto was because, i think, minato developed a sealing technique very similar to that of the sage and that was why the necklace appeared and the reason kyuubi recognized the resemblance.how minato could have possibly created a technique similar to the sage i dont know.but then again, how did he create hiraishin;). thats just what i think.

you see i don't believed that minato created this new seal for naruto. the mystery is where it came from.

[Zoro #1]

Maybe when the Rikudou was on death bed, he knew that the hatred between the two brothers would lead to the revival of the juubi so as a precaution he implanted parts of his sealing tech in each and every tailed beast, and that only a person with strong will determination and dream of bringing peace can activate the the seal.

My though feel free to criticize. :D

[Gwym]

So, did Kushina have the whole Kyuubi and was more powerful than Naruto? lol

[toussaintac]

So, did Kushina have the whole Kyuubi and was more powerful than Naruto? lol

I think the other half that was sealed away was in that scroll and once Naruto undid that seal and got the Kyubi's chakra last chapter, I believe he has both halves.

[HappyClown]

Naruto may have gained some of the Rikudou Sennin's power. As crazy as it may sound, there has to be some explanation, no matter how small, as to why the Rikudou Sennin's necklace appeared around Naruto's neck as he appeared to receive that look of enlightenment, and then immediately followed it up with a technique out of the Sage of the Six Path's arsenal.

Shrug. I'm more sold on the connection with the Uchiha clan. There is 7 tear drops[?]. 6 necklace, and then 1 on stomach, on Naruto.

There is another similar 7, at a former Uchiha base.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/384/14/

[Paradoxicon]

Maybe when the Rikudou was on death bed, he knew that the hatred between the two brothers would lead to the revival of the juubi so as a precaution he implanted parts of his sealing tech in each and every tailed beast, and that only a person with strong will determination and dream of bringing peace can activate the the seal.

My though feel free to criticize. :D

Plausible idea. Though it would end up with Naruto sucking up all Bijuu chakra, making him unbeatable. Or making the Sharingan ridiculous for keeping up with that power for whatever reasons...
Or maybe it requires teamwork of Naruto & Sasuke.

Can't say I like either solution.

[Sasuke-Sama]

I believe the Sage of the Six Path's necklace on Naruto means that he is a decendant of the Sage. A direct link back to the younger brother who had the Will of Fire.

[bnukus]

ok hear me out.. i just registered so i could show you my theory...

you keep referring to the Rikudou's necklace but i don't think you're seeing the hole picture. If you look closely naruto's hair isn't normal, he apears to have two horns just like any silhouette of the Rikudou.

So that being said, i think what naruto just got was part of the Rikudou's chakra and that the whole 9 beasts are in fact parts of the Rikudou's chakra.

When i saw this:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/439/08/

I started to think: what if the real moon is the moon that the Rikudou created?
to imprision something(maybe the 9beasts in one) and maybe that madara plan about the moon has nothing to do with this mooneye but aquiring this imprisoned beast(maybe Rikudou).

I dont know but anyway its not just the necklace there are also the horns.

In the next chapter i really think that madara puts kushina in a choice between naruto and the village (kishimoto loves dualities) and she chooses naruto because she knows minato gona stop her.

[Aidenn]

ok hear me out.. i just registered so i could show you my theory...

you keep referring to the Rikudou's necklace but i don't think you're seeing the hole picture. If you look closely naruto's hair isn't normal, he apears to have two horns just like any silhouette of the Rikudou.

So that being said, i think what naruto just got was part of the Rikudou's chakra and that the whole 9 beasts are in fact parts of the Rikudou's chakra.

When i saw this:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/439/08/

I started to think: what if the real moon is the moon that the Rikudou created?
to imprision something(maybe the 9beasts in one) and maybe that madara plan about the moon has nothing to do with this mooneye but aquiring this imprisoned beast(maybe Rikudou).

I dont know but anyway its not just the necklace there are also the horns.

In the next chapter i really think that madara puts kushina in a choice between naruto and the village (kishimoto loves dualities) and she chooses naruto because she knows minato gona stop her.

Many people lost their lives in the fight against the Kyuubi. I highly doubt Kushina would sacrifice all of their lives for one child, even if it was her own. Kishi will not make Kushina out to be a terrible person, there's no way.

If you really did predict all that way back then, then good job. ;)

There's a good chance the order of events will be Kushina giving birth to Naruto, and in her weakened state Tobi will appear and somehow cause the Kyuubi to attack the village. I don't believe that Kushina will have anything to do with the fight *against* the Kyuubi, when the fox attacked Konoha it had probably taken her over.

[Bonfire01]

ok hear me out.. i just registered so i could show you my theory...

you keep referring to the Rikudou's necklace but i don't think you're seeing the hole picture. If you look closely naruto's hair isn't normal, he apears to have two horns just like any silhouette of the Rikudou.

So that being said, i think what naruto just got was part of the Rikudou's chakra and that the whole 9 beasts are in fact parts of the Rikudou's chakra.

When i saw this:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/439/08/

I started to think: what if the real moon is the moon that the Rikudou created?
to imprision something(maybe the 9beasts in one) and maybe that madara plan about the moon has nothing to do with this mooneye but aquiring this imprisoned beast(maybe Rikudou).

I dont know but anyway its not just the necklace there are also the horns.

In the next chapter i really think that madara puts kushina in a choice between naruto and the village (kishimoto loves dualities) and she chooses naruto because she knows minato gona stop her.


The moon was indeed created by the sage.... to imprison the 10 tailed beast's body. The body is in the moon and the chakra was split between the 9 tailed beasts. . It was all explained by madara, who read it off the sage's tablets.

On the topic of Kushina being willing to sacrifice the village for her son.... I think it's very unlikely. She appears to have inherited the will of fire, which means she should have considered all the villagers as important people, not just her son. Also she should have known how powerful the 9 tails was and guessed Minato wouldn't be able to beat it.... after all he drew at best (both died). So she'd also be sacrificing her husband for her son....

I'm not really sure how Madara got the Kyubi out of her but i'm guessing by tricking her or exploiting a weakness brought on by her giving birth.

[bnukus]

i was refering to the fact that maybe the 10 tailed beast is Rikudou.

and when you see naruto get wild with the kyuubi its generaly in moments of rage that is why i thought maybe seeing madara threatening naruto

what do you think about the horns? nobody noticed them?

[Freid]

maybe kushina in fact knows more about what happened on the night than minato does. So if tobi really isent madara, the next chapter is the chapter we find out. I hope....I'm in the mood to make a farfetched theory. Or maybe impossible is the word for it. Nevertheless

1. Tobi is in fact the first born of rikidou sennin himself. if not then maybe he is in his body.

You read it here first

[M3J]

WE all noticed the horns. I still think it's just Naruto's hair outlined or pushed up by the chakra or something. I think the seal was completed with Kyuubi's chakra, and it in some way relates to Rikudou. He may have gotten the horns after sealing Juubi in himself.

I'm more hoping Kushina's just trolling Naruto. Maybe the reason why Kyuubi remembers Kushina is because she held him down with her chakra chain so Minato could do Shiki Fuuijin. We know it requires the user to touch the target, so maybe this is how he did it. We also know that once injured, the user can't draw out as much chakra due to lack of strength, so Kyuubi would have had to be put in a position where he couldn't hurt Minato.

[Freid]

i was refering to the fact that maybe the 10 tailed beast is Rikudou.

and when you see naruto get wild with the kyuubi its generaly in moments of rage that is why i thought maybe seeing madara threatening naruto

what do you think about the horns? nobody noticed them?

I think everybody noticed the 'horns' but the necklace and the seal are the most distinctive features on naruto in that page. The 'horns' kinda just reinforced any links between naruto and rikidou and theories people made.......though I must say the 'horns' is infact hair. :amuse

[DeBaron8]

i was refering to the fact that maybe the 10 tailed beast is Rikudou.

and when you see naruto get wild with the kyuubi its generaly in moments of rage that is why i thought maybe seeing madara threatening naruto

what do you think about the horns? nobody noticed them?

Welcome to mangahelpers:)

I just typed a long reply to your first post, but then deleted it. :s

But Bonfire01 already supplied the main response I had, so anyways...

I think others have also noticed the horns and have been talking about Naruto as the RS's reincarnation. Your notion that the Ridokou is the Juubi is unique as far as I know.

It is interesting to guess why Ridokou and now Naruto seem to have those horns. I originally thought it was just spikey hair, but they do seem to be there. Mabye it's a result of being a Jinchuriki who has used that specific sealing technique on a bijuu (Assuming Naruto used the same technique the RS used on the Juubi)

Or mabye it is that the RS as the Juubi's host developed those traits like Naruto has whiskers, and somehow passed them to Naruto, which would mean he received some of RS's charka, perhaps through the senju bloodline or the seal itself.

This is all speculative, on the RS as the juubi... that would be one crazy twist, I'm not sure how it would work, mabye RS lost control of Juubi's will as the host...
but I've always been intrigued by this panel (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/463/12/) about Tobi/Madara's real goal.

I think it could involve reviving the body of the juubi and I think the Uchiha have some connection to it's will or mind, one crazy theory of mine and perhaps others, was that Madara was in fact the juubi and was trying to revive himself.:o EDIT: This is far out there, but this could also work if the RS was Tobi/Madara, and wanted to return to his complete state, as the host of the juubi.

I don't think we'll learn more about the plan or the juubi for a while though. I am however super pumped for chapter 500 and getting Kushina's version of what happened 16 years ago. I think it should be an illuminating and epic chapter. Waiting for two weeks has really built up the suspense, I hope Kishi won't disappoint.

[SenninSage]

To be complete, I think Madara already revealed what he meant by that when he stated at the Kage Summit that he wished to become the host of the 10 tails, like the Rikudou Sennin before him.

Honestly, it really can't be overlooked. The Sage of the Six Path's silhouette looks so damned close to Naruto.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/13/

There is some kind of connection. Oh, Kishi, you devil, just what are you up to? There are obviously also times when it doesn't as well. I wonder if the legendary Sage of the Six Paths wasn't just a single individual, but multiple individuals?

Anyway, as I've said before, one of the most interesting subjects of this manga going forward is just how much of the Juubi's memory does the Kyuubi still possess. How much does he know? What further things might the Kyuubi be willing to actually say about the Rikudou Sennin? How much of that will he be willing to actually say to Naruto?

[THM Nindo]

Shrug. I'm more sold on the connection with the Uchiha clan. There is 7 tear drops[?]. 6 necklace, and then 1 on stomach, on Naruto.

There is another similar 7, at a former Uchiha base.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/384/14/

Those are the 9-tails.
There are two other hidden behind the stone chair.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/1/01/

It's basically a depiction of the 9-tails (the word in the middle is Fox) and the link between the Kyubbi and the Uchiha...

[Eman]

The top left bubble should alleviate some questions as to why Naruto looked like Rikudou Sage.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/15-16/

[cloudruler]

Kinda new to posting to mh so hey to all.

Ahem, my theories or reasons behind his Rs look might be from a number of things...one in particular that has always bothered me (in a good way) was that dammed bird Itachi shot down his throat. Granted, this probably is some uchiha based power that hasn't surface, but to me it all just seems like something kishi is doing well not to talk about...at least for now.

another reason is the chakra jeweled necklace provided by Tsunade of the 1st hokage. Maybe it was designed for someone who might inherit the 9 tails--maybe maybe not. All i'm saying is that I don't want to believe that naruto is the descendant of the rs...be kinda lame if he was--personal opinion.

mmm my mind has gone blank as far as my other theories go, but those two were the two I kept in mind while reading the threads.

And perhaps maybe the whole 9 flames thing seen at that Uchiha complex or whatever it was might imply that those of the Uchiha are meant to act as ether the guardian of the 9 tails, or maybe are the intended vessels

[xaither]

To be complete, I think Madara already revealed what he meant by that when he stated at the Kage Summit that he wished to become the host of the 10 tails, like the Rikudou Sennin before him.

Honestly, it really can't be overlooked. The Sage of the Six Path's silhouette looks so damned close to Naruto.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/13/

There is some kind of connection. Oh, Kishi, you devil, just what are you up to? There are obviously also times when it doesn't as well. I wonder if the legendary Sage of the Six Paths wasn't just a single individual, but multiple individuals?

Anyway, as I've said before, one of the most interesting subjects of this manga going forward is just how much of the Juubi's memory does the Kyuubi still possess. How much does he know? What further things might the Kyuubi be willing to actually say about the Rikudou Sennin? How much of that will he be willing to actually say to Naruto?

when i first saw that before i swear it looks just like naruto, even the expression and the shape of the head.

[Sage ninetail]

hello
you probably gonna kill me, but I think this coming chapter gonna be as simple as that. I don't know why, but I see your predictions and all I just it gonna be simple. mine would be that kushina isn't a real jinchuriki, but some sort of gardien(with her chains). anyways three days left to find out, and have a good day and world cup.

[benelori]

hello
you probably gonna kill me, but I think this coming chapter gonna be as simple as that. I don't know why, but I see your predictions and all I just it gonna be simple. mine would be that kushina isn't a real jinchuriki, but some sort of gardien(with her chains). anyways three days left to find out, and have a good day and world cup.

We won't kill U...but Kushina would send U to the hospital is she'd knew that UR not trusting her...jinchuuriki is a jinchuuriki man, and if she says that she was, then she was
[hr]

Just a question to throw it out there, is it possible for a tailed beast to suppress its user mind and control him from inside to do his bidding?

Well yes...the result was 4 tail Kyuubi against Oro...U should throw these questions in the hangout

[THM Nindo]

when i first saw that before i swear it looks just like naruto, even the expression and the shape of the head.

Funny because, Rikudou-Sennin looks like a mix between Naruto and Sasuke...

THIS looks like Naruto : http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/13/
THIS looks like Sasuke : http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/14/

Again, I guess it's another way to point that they are both one-half of the Rikudou (one's the body, the other is the spirit).

[Nicholas.Sama]

I think Naruto took Rikudo's form MAINLY because it's his sealing technique.
But Naruto is definitely a descendant. As well as Sasuke.

[shibigoku]

what Im focusing on now is Naruto's power level. What can he do now? He's got a boat load more chakra now on top of his already huge amount of chakra. He probably cant run out of chakra now. Jutsu wise, he's probablly gonna fight like Bee, adding tails depending on the lvl of the opponent. Or maybe not?

[Naruto_Rasengan]

what Im focusing on now is Naruto's power level. What can he do now? He's got a boat load more chakra now on top of his already huge amount of chakra. He probably cant run out of chakra now. Jutsu wise, he's probablly gonna fight like Bee, adding tails depending on the lvl of the opponent. Or maybe not?

I don't think he will.

Naruto will not change his fighting style, he's just got something else to play with now.

[SenninSage]

Well, Kishi is most certainly going to have to do SOMETHING to showcase to us this greatly heightened chakra capacity that Naruto possesses.

Add in his already unbelievable recovery time and you've truly got a real monster on your hands. It's got to be way, way tougher than it was before for Naruto to become exhausted. He has to have an amazing increase in his speed, power, even his techniques are going to be that much more insane.

Before he used his own chakra to enter into Sage Mode, but imagine when he uses all that Kyuubi chakra to enter into Sage Mode. How many Fuuton Rasen Shurikens will he be capable of using then? Possibly 100 of them.

[sangai]

I am curious now as to wether or not naruto can fuse with fuusaku fully. as the kyuubi was preventing and forcing fuu out...

now that naruto has taken control and fully sealed kyubii, he should be able to merge with fuu and maintain an almost indefinate sage mode?


as for the rikkudo it wouldn't suprise me if naruto and sasuke happen to be latent decendents of the the rikkudo sennin.

finally awakening in appropriate vessels, sasuke with the eyes and technique.. naruto with the chakra and resourcefullness..wouldn't suprise me if naruto eventually learns the same sealing techniques used to seperate and reseal the tailed beasts.

[THM Nindo]

I don't think he will.

Naruto will not change his fighting style, he's just got something else to play with now.

I agree...
Naruto will simply be faster, and be able to do multiple rasengan and bigger...

But at the same time... why would he bother trying to learn to do other jutsu when he's able to do this :
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/499/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/499/08-09/

[lexx]

I am curious now as to wether or not naruto can fuse with fuusaku fully. as the kyuubi was preventing and forcing fuu out...

now that naruto has taken control and fully sealed kyubii, he should be able to merge with fuu and maintain an almost indefinate sage mode?


as for the rikkudo it wouldn't suprise me if naruto and sasuke happen to be latent decendents of the the rikkudo sennin.

finally awakening in appropriate vessels, sasuke with the eyes and technique.. naruto with the chakra and resourcefullness..wouldn't suprise me if naruto eventually learns the same sealing techniques used to seperate and reseal the tailed beasts.

-From the last chapter, Naruto is shown using the Rikudo Sennin's sealing technique.

-We already know that all the Uchiha are decendants of the Rikudo Sennin's elder son, the one with the eye powers and chakras, so there's no need to speculate on Sasuke's lineage: we KNOW he's descended from the elder son.

-Kyuubi may be further suppressed within Naruto, but it's doubtful that Naruto's going to be able to fuse with the frog. Fact is, Kyuubi, chakra-less or not, is a part of Naruto, so I doubt it'll ever accept the frog.

-There are a few theories out there as to what having the full (ok, half really) chakra at Naruto's beck and call will mean:

-could just mean typically tailed-beast mode, like what we've seen from Killer Bee:
--a couple tails with orange chakra cloak
--most of the tails with black blood form and some skeleton
--full Nine-tails form

-Or we could see some sort of super-upgraded or even infinite sage mode, given that Naruto may now be able to combine all his chakra, all the Kyuubi's chakra, AND natural energy to form the new sage chakra. Such a ridiculous amount of sage chakra could probably keep Naruto going in sage mode for significantly longer than the 5 minute or 2xRasenShuriken limit he's had to this point

-Or we could have a new form of Naruto, looking like his astral project self in the last chapter with the body of light and Rikudo necklace and whole-body sealing tattoo.

-Or we could have something else entirely?

Anyway, one thing I don't think Naruto's going to get:
-he's not going to be immune to genjutsu. The relationship Killer Bee has with the Hachibi seems to be that they coexist in the same space in his inner world, and cooperate. Even having taken the Kyuubi's chakra, Naruto had to forcefully re-seal him, this time under even heavier restraint than the Kyuubi originally was subject to. I doubt Kyuubi's ever going to help Naruto by voluntarily injecting what's left of its chakra (is there any?) into Naruto to break an illusion. Naruto MIGHT be able to break genjutsu in a similar way simply be tapping into all that chakra by his own will (ie, going super-saiyan). However this requires Naruto to recognize he's in a genjutsu, so honestly, I don't think he's going to get any resistance to genjutsu.

[Zoro #1]

Well, Kishi is most certainly going to have to do SOMETHING to showcase to us this greatly heightened chakra capacity that Naruto possesses.

Add in his already unbelievable recovery time and you've truly got a real monster on your hands. It's got to be way, way tougher than it was before for Naruto to become exhausted. He has to have an amazing increase in his speed, power, even his techniques are going to be that much more insane.

Before he used his own chakra to enter into Sage Mode, but imagine when he uses all that Kyuubi chakra to enter into Sage Mode. How many Fuuton Rasen Shurikens will he be capable of using then? Possibly 100 of them.

Nice observation, i completely forgot about it, before he need to have both his and the natural chakra in equal order oso he could only absorb the amount of natural chakra equal to his own but now that he has an insanely huge amount of chakra wonder how much more natural chakra he can absorb now.

[lexx]

I agree...
Naruto will simply be faster, and be able to do multiple rasengan and bigger...

But at the same time... why would he bother trying to learn to do other jutsu when he's able to do this :
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/499/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/499/08-09/

Oh Naruto...

You got the one-hit-KO rasengan.
Then you got the sure-fire one-hit-kill Oodama rasengan.
Then you got the Hand-Held Immortal-killer Nuke Rasen-shuriken.
Then you got the gigantic sage-mode rasengan. You can now one-hit KO great big summons.
Then you got the destructo disk, I mean, the complete Rasenshuriken, that not only kills, it annihiliates all matter within its sphere.
Then you got the that linke dual-rasengan, which seems to be the replacement for Oodama.

So...
You got a 9mm.
Then you got a .45 cal.
Then you got a grenade.
Then you got an elephant gun.
Then you got a rocket launcher.
Then you got a double-barreled shotgun.

And now, in the Kyuubi fight, we see you carpet-bombing with gigantic sage mode rasengan, so now you've got a freaking multi-warhead nuclear bomb.

Haha seriously, he's crazy.

[Naruto2011]

Naruto as he is will wipe the floor with most shinobi, and thats without the ninetails power. Now that he has its chakra, not to many can challenge him. adding more jutsus to is arsenal will make him a god

[anrufen]

oh y isnt Naruto given some more Jutsus other than Size variations of Rasengan? Although I like it in a way, that he has a signature method of Fighting...KB and Rasengan manips! Anyway, where is Kishi going with this New seal thingy?

[g1534]

oh y isnt Naruto given some more Jutsus other than Size variations of Rasengan? Although I like it in a way, that he has a signature method of Fighting...KB and Rasengan manips! Anyway, where is Kishi going with this New seal thingy?

I think what he sealed was to represent the kyuubi's darkness itself. Maybe not the kyuubi. For all we know, that apparition of kyuubi Naruto sucked in will be represented in his open inner self in the same way hachibi is inside bee. Maybe Bee had to do the same thing to Hachibi. We don't know yet.

[Liof]

I think what he sealed was to represent the kyuubi's darkness itself. Maybe not the kyuubi. For all we know, that apparition of kyuubi Naruto sucked in will be represented in his open inner self in the same way hachibi is inside bee. Maybe Bee had to do the same thing to Hachibi. We don't know yet.

When Naruto talks to Bee afterwards he will be like: "and after I sucked up his chakra I started glowing and there was..." Then Bee will be like: "Did you suck the chakra in or did you smoke it ..."

^Fail joke

Anyway, Can't wait till next chapter!
It will learn us that the kyuubi once was a pet fox who ate a radioactive cookie !... and that the Juubi is a lie ! (Since i really don't believe Madara =/ telling everyone his plan is just too much for someone who has plannend and decieved ... everyone)

Anyway next chapter: I hope we learn a little about kushina becomming the host and immediatly after the fight with the kyuubi (which seems kinda alot to be in just 2 chapters but hey who knows)

[mustapha6002]

what Im focusing on now is Naruto's power level. What can he do now? He's got a boat load more chakra now on top of his already huge amount of chakra. He probably cant run out of chakra now. Jutsu wise, he's probablly gonna fight like Bee, adding tails depending on the lvl of the opponent. Or maybe not?

now naruto has to complete "that jutsu"... i think it's gonna be something epic and unexpectable...
for the next chapeter i think what kushina will tell naruto will change everything... the truth will be very different from what madara is saying ... it's gonna be like when madara told the truth about itachi... we will change our thoughts about a lot of events

[lionel messi]

the truth about itachi really did change our minds about him.up to that point, we would have never guessed he was what he really was in the end.

i wonder what kushina will reveal that we will never have guessed... the fact that its the 500 chapter and the author taking two weeks to write the chapter must mean he plans to set the framework for upcoming chapters.

[jdw]

the truth about itachi really did change our minds about him.up to that point, we would have never guessed he was what he really was in the end.

i wonder what kushina will reveal that we will never have guessed... the fact that its the 500 chapter and the author taking two weeks to write the chapter must mean he plans to set the framework for upcoming chapters.

It wouldn't surprise me if she said that Madara was the one who caused Kyuubi to break free, but he had extra help from the Uchiha clan. It probably won't be that, but it definitely would not be a surprise.

[southside]

Oh Naruto...

You got the one-hit-KO rasengan.
Then you got the sure-fire one-hit-kill Oodama rasengan.
Then you got the Hand-Held Immortal-killer Nuke Rasen-shuriken.
Then you got the gigantic sage-mode rasengan. You can now one-hit KO great big summons.
Then you got the destructo disk, I mean, the complete Rasenshuriken, that not only kills, it annihiliates all matter within its sphere.
Then you got the that linke dual-rasengan, which seems to be the replacement for Oodama.

So...
You got a 9mm.
Then you got a .45 cal.
Then you got a grenade.
Then you got an elephant gun.
Then you got a rocket launcher.
Then you got a double-barreled shotgun.

And now, in the Kyuubi fight, we see you carpet-bombing with gigantic sage mode rasengan, so now you've got a freaking multi-warhead nuclear bomb.

Haha seriously, he's crazy.

I have a feeling that in the end Naruto will have a giant multidimensional FRS that will follow Madara to wherever it is he warps to.
Next chapter I hope that there is some miracle that can keep the story line as we know it intact. I just cant see how there was all this mystery behind the 9 tails attack if the beast was simply sealed in a host at the time. All the stuff about a natural disaster that happens from time to time makes no sense now imo.

[shinotenshi]

-Or we could see some sort of super-upgraded or even infinite sage mode, given that Naruto may now be able to combine all his chakra, all the Kyuubi's chakra, AND natural energy to form the new sage chakra. Such a ridiculous amount of sage chakra could probably keep Naruto going in sage mode for significantly longer than the 5 minute or 2xRasenShuriken limit he's had to this point

Or since he has full control over the kyubi now, he can have the kyubi gather sage/natural energy while he uses his own, and then when he needs to use the sage chakra, he uses it from the fox, while the fox continues to store more energy for him.

[purearab318]

Or since he has full control over the kyubi now, he can have the kyubi gather sage/natural energy while he uses his own, and then when he needs to use the sage chakra, he uses it from the fox, while the fox continues to store more energy for him.

naruto has yang chakra fox

naruto is not in full control of the fox.

naruto acquired the chakra of the fox. but the mind/will of the fox has been sealed.

the fox based on 499 chapter was heard angrily saying "i wont forget this naruto".

so no the fox will not help naruto..

but who knows naruto might use his secret power. the power of making friends:)

[Naruto_Rasengan]

Well, Kishi is most certainly going to have to do SOMETHING to showcase to us this greatly heightened chakra capacity that Naruto possesses.

Add in his already unbelievable recovery time and you've truly got a real monster on your hands. It's got to be way, way tougher than it was before for Naruto to become exhausted. He has to have an amazing increase in his speed, power, even his techniques are going to be that much more insane.

Before he used his own chakra to enter into Sage Mode, but imagine when he uses all that Kyuubi chakra to enter into Sage Mode. How many Fuuton Rasen Shurikens will he be capable of using then? Possibly 100 of them.

How exactly do you mean? "Using" Kyuubi chakra to enter Sage Mode? I don't think he can use it to enter Sage Mode, but definitely increase it's effects drastically.

Naruto doesn't use his chakra to enter Sennin Mode, he gathers natural energy and mixes it with his own, perfectly balancing the chakra. The only thing it costs him to enter Sennin Mode is time.

Senjutsu (仙術, Sage Techniques) refers to a specialized field of jutsu that allows the user to sense and then gather the natural energy around a person. Senjutsu practitioners can then learn to draw the energy of nature inside of them blending it with their own chakra (created from spiritual and physical energy within the shinobi), adding a new dimension of power to the sage's chakra, resulting in the creation of "senjutsu chakra"

So, he won't be "using" Kyuubi's chakra to enter Sennin Mode, he will likely add Kyuubi's chakra to the mix, perfectly balancing all of his chakras. So what we will have is Naruto balancing his chakra, natural energy and Kyuubi chakra. Allowing him to further expand on Sage Mode, which is already extremely powerful.

We already know that when Naruto accesses Kyuubi's chakra he gains massive increases in all attributes, to what extent now we cannot imagine. We have never seen Naruto use more than 1-tail in a controlled state, every other time he has been in a complete rage. To see Naruto using Kyuubi's whole chakra is going to be something spectacular, and with Sage Mode... :tem

I'm kind of hoping to see Naurto instantly release a huge amount of chakra like he did against Kabuto back on the bridge when we first saw 4-tails state. Much like Shinra Tensei, but instead using raw chakra.

[Centrelink]

so no the fox will not help naruto..


I'm just picturing Naruto telling the fox "now to gather sage chakra you need to stay really still"

Next frame is a picture of the fox wedged to the ground by naruto's sealing technique.........

That shouldn't be 2 hard.

[shinotenshi]

If anything, Naruto will be able to use the fox's vast chakra pool to create clones that can store more sage energy for him now. During his fight with Pein, he could only make 3 clones, but given his power boost, I can see him gaining enough power to make 100s before every battle.

[ceasar]

How exactly do you mean? "Using" Kyuubi chakra to enter Sage Mode? I don't think he can use it to enter Sage Mode, but definitely increase it's effects drastically.

Naruto doesn't use his chakra to enter Sennin Mode, he gathers natural energy and mixes it with his own, perfectly balancing the chakra. The only thing it costs him to enter Sennin Mode is time.

Senjutsu (仙術, Sage Techniques) refers to a specialized field of jutsu that allows the user to sense and then gather the natural energy around a person. Senjutsu practitioners can then learn to draw the energy of nature inside of them blending it with their own chakra (created from spiritual and physical energy within the shinobi), adding a new dimension of power to the sage's chakra, resulting in the creation of "senjutsu chakra"



So, he won't be "using" Kyuubi's chakra to enter Sennin Mode, he will
likely add Kyuubi's chakra to the mix, perfectly balancing all of his chakras. So what we will have is Naruto balancing his chakra, natural energy and Kyuubi chakra. Allowing him to further expand on Sage Mode, which is already extremely powerful.

We already know that when Naruto accesses Kyuubi's chakra he gains
massive increases in all attributes, to what extent now we cannot
imagine. We have never seen Naruto use more than 1-tail in a controlled
state, every other time he has been in a complete rage. To see Naruto
using Kyuubi's whole chakra is going to be something spectacular, and
with Sage Mode... :tem


I'm kind of hoping to see Naurto instantly release a huge amount of


chakra like he did against Kabuto back on the bridge when we first saw 4-tails state. Much like Shinra Tensei, but instead using raw
chakra.

What I believe we will see from naruto's mastery of the fox is what we got a glimpse of during the talk with nagato. When we saw the blending of the fox and the sage mode chakra. But I believe it will get expanded upon. It will be like naruto uses sage mode to tackle super opponents then add fox when facing godlike aka uchiha opponents. Also I don't understand why people are still wandering about why naruto sealed the fox he did what the toads told him he had to do. Separate fox from chakra then filter out it's will of hatred that's what he has done with putting it in a cage. He may free it in the end but as of now the fox will serve no other purpose but to give chakra or information seeing how it's been around so long it probably is like library of congress when it comes to information.

[Kawaiii]

Fox will be just another counter for the crappy uchiha eye genujutsu it would be impossible otherwise for naruto to even touch sasuke - we all know he sucks against genjustsu

[DevilsNeverCry]

I'm wondering if having the foxs power will give Naruto the ability to Transform into the bijuu, or even to have the fox cloak?

If it's just the QB chakra then that's pretty damn boring, doesn't exactly give him that much of a unique ability - he already had massive chakra.

[jayzar]

Everyone seems to think that Kisame will be there for Naruto to demo his new found abilities on, but Naruto's not really about killing people anymore right? Breaking the chain of hatred and all that. Could Kisame be there for Naruto to "change", he does have a habit of changing people :)