Naruto 500 Chapter Discussion

[empeethree]

and where was Jiraiya when Minato fought the Kyubbi?

I dunno, but he was not in Konoha, so he has no clue at all...
He's just interpreting what he think happened at that time...

I am, like everyone I think, hoping for this theory to be wrong, but it's been there for years already, and we can't just pretend that this chapter didn't give it a boost.

I do not agree, like i said, its the jutsu that is left, not the information about the past of a person, anything that is related to the jutsu itself ofcourse, gerotora must known about it, including how the kyuubi was sealed. And please don't forget the frog boss is there. Gamabunta when Minato fought the Kyuubi. Where could he get those info? I agree he's clueless about Kushina, but he's so well informed about the Jutsu.

[Weapon_X]

This plot has fucked up my mind in so many ways. First of all, the Anbu guy took away Naruto because he didn't want Naruto to be the sacrifice, right. Now why would the Anbu guy do that when it's just stated only Uzumakis get to be the next Jinchuurikis, meaning this Anbu guy wanted Sasuke to be the next Jinchuuriki, this Anbu guy must be Madara.

So in the next chapter the Kyuubi probably leaks out of Kushina because Minato has gone out to search for his son, fights Madara and brings him back(probably through Hiraishin) and Madara(The Anbu guy) is "controlling" the Kyuubi to wreck Konoha. Minato seals the half of the Kyuubi inside Naruto quickyl and dies. Kushina's already dead since the Kyuubi got leaked out. Uchihas get blamed for no reason because the higher ups thought they summoned it(twats). Then the whole Uchiha rebellion begins from then on...

All in all, Konoha is 1 fucked up village :lmao

[Nicholas.Sama]

QFT. Also, it's the 500th chapter. All the fanboys would probably cry if Sasuke didn't make some kind of appearance.

No.
His hateboys are crying because he did.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Because it was the same Jutsu Minato used.

There are different types of Sealing Jutsu. Shiki Fuujin is one, the cursed mark seal is another, and Jiraiya sealing Amaterasu is yet another one.

[pimp naruto kun]

Sasuke does not have half of the kyuubi. Also I hope they talk about namikaze and I know people will be like that's imposibble because he would have known by know but namikaze equals water and wind in translation hopefully naruto will learn water to make his fight of elements more balanced and equal

[samsiufan]

Jiraya said that the Yin half of the chakra was sealed USING Shikia Fuujin. Jiraya, Kakashi, and others have also clearly stated that no one really knows how the Shikia Fuujin works. So we have two 'facts'. 1. Yin half was sealed USING a jutsu... 2. The details of how that jutsu works are not understood by anyone in the manga.

Your 'rigid interpretation' of those two facts is to believe that the Yin half of the QB was sealed INTO the reaper. I'm suggesting that it is more than possible that Minato instead sealed himself and MADARA into the reaper. For Minato this meant death. But Madara had some way of saving himself. Minato saw this, and with his high level of skill with the highest level of seals, he splits the QB in two and seals half in Naruto and half in Sauske.

It isn't that far-fetched and yes there is evidence (hints) that Sauske has QB chakra (affinity for QB, "Don't kill Naruto, you'll regret it...", hate-fuelled chakra bursts from nowhere, Karin sensing something in Naruto that is 'just like...' and so forth. To say that ONLY your interpretation is possible is a rigid interpretation based on your opinion. Sorry - that's just how it is.

You sound like you are clutching at straws to me...you might be using foreshadowing as away of putting across your point but still that does not prove anything especially the piece in bold...

All Karin was probably stating is that the hatred Sasuke is carrying is to similar the hatred the Kyuubi is carrying...simple....it doesn't have to be more complicated than that....

As for the Kyuubi telling Sasuke not to kill Naruto, he will regret it - it could have been just the Kyuubi going in to self-survival mode...the Kyuubi could just be as conniving as the best of them...

As for the so called hate-filled chakra boost...we have seen the will of fire do wonders for chakra and fights in this manga...do not underestimate the power of emotions especially in this manga...

[empeethree]

I believe they knew about Kushina something like where she is coming from and Tsunade has to have know something about her gradmother

But they didn't talked about it. The problem is, we tend to think of an advance possibilities or scenarios of what will happen and we are forgetting about the facts that is already stated and given.

[Weapon_X]

Also I've noticed Mikoto is the worst Uchiha ever. She didn't even tell her own clan that Kushina is the host of the Kyuubi, no wonder the Uchihas got accused of summoning the Kyuubi when no one knew that the host was Kushina. Mikoto secretly hated the clan, now we know where Itachi gets his genes from(Mikoto) and where Sasuke gets his from(Fugaku).

Fucking ninjas lol

[SenninSage]

People insulting Kushina's ability as a shinobi, or the Uzamaki's in general, should realize that Kushina was likely kidnapped by shinobi far more powerful and experienced than herself, and she was still just a child then.

If she's powerful enough to teach Minato sealing jutsu, and also possesses the will, determination and personality of Naruto, and on top of all of this, was the Kyuubi Jinchuuruki with a chakra capable of keeping it in check, I surely wouldn't consider it wise to underestimate her. You're basically dealing with the female equivalent of Naruto. Who in god's name would find it wise to underestimate such a person?

Holy crap, guys. I'm starting to become nervous about something. Remember that time the Kyuubi told Sasuke to not kill Naruto he'd end up regretting it? Is there possibly some connection between Naruto and Sasuke tied to the circumstances on the day Naruto was born? Then remember what Naruto said to Sasuke about knowing that they would both die if they fought?

[dogfood911]

Just one question: Do you think Kisame saw Naruto beating the Kyuubi?

[empeethree]

Quote: empeethree
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/12/

Panel 4,

Jiraiya: "Minato only sealed the ninetails yin chakra using the shiki fuujin"




it states "sealed using" shiki fuujin and not "sealed into" shiki fuujin so as someone is saying it will be not a surprise if sasuke has the other half of kyuubi

you mean the death god?? where's the death god?

shiki fuujin is the death god seal. oh common. at least look on the databook about the jutsu. what does it do. what does it does. what does it da da da does.
its hard to explain to those who doesn't listen. >.>

[samsiufan]

People insulting Kushina's ability as a shinobi, or the Uzamaki's in general, should realize that Kushina was likely kidnapped by shinobi far more powerful and experienced than herself, and she was still just a child then.

If she's powerful enough to teach Minato sealing jutsu, and also possesses the will, determination and personality of Naruto, and on top of all of this, was the Kyuubi Jinchuuruki with a chakra capable of keeping it in check, I surely wouldn't consider it wise to underestimate her. You're basically dealing with the female equivalent of Naruto. Who in god's name would find it wise to underestimate such a person?

Agreed...and we are told that she used to open a can of whoopass on all of the boys....

[THM Nindo]

Confirmed from the spoilers that the Sannin didn't know about Kushina.
I wonder how Madara managed to get that information... although I'm not really surprised.

And Kushina is actually saying "Madara", and not "The guy with the mask"...

[Paradoxicon]

Star Wars? I guess you believe that because Fugaku Uchiha doesn't show importance to Sasuke. Right?

Oh, oh. Oh!

It's not what you meant, but Kishi is using heavy Starwars analogies all the time. So two children with great heritage getting split up at birth, having their true destiny hidden from them in order to protect them from a great evil...
*yuck*
Who knows, maybe Sasuke's mother was part of a resistance movement, like Senator Organa.

[samsiufan]

Just one question: Do you think Kisame saw Naruto beating the Kyuubi?

Nah - it was all in Naruto's mind....:D

[empeethree]

Also I've noticed Mikoto is the worst Uchiha ever. She didn't even tell her own clan that Kushina is the host of the Kyuubi, no wonder the Uchihas got accused of summoning the Kyuubi when no one knew that the host was Kushina. Mikoto secretly hated the clan, now we know where Itachi gets his genes from(Mikoto) and where Sasuke gets his from(Fugaku).

Fucking ninjas lol

how did you come up with this one? can you explain it?

[jdw]

man, this is shaping up to be an amazing chapter. So the balance shifted as the pregnancy progressed and wicked Madara waited until that time, bastard.

[Paradoxicon]

Also I've noticed Mikoto is the worst Uchiha ever. She didn't even tell her own clan that Kushina is the host of the Kyuubi, no wonder the Uchihas got accused of summoning the Kyuubi when no one knew that the host was Kushina. Mikoto secretly hated the clan, now we know where Itachi gets his genes from(Mikoto) and where Sasuke gets his from(Fugaku).

Fucking ninjas lol

For all we know, an Uchiha played a major part in causing Kushina to release the Kyuubi. And even if Kyuubi didn't show up as part of a natural desaster because it was locked up in a Jichuriki, an Uchiha with Kyuubi control could still force the Kyuubi to break free from its host.

[CBlitz]

wonder how Madara even knew that Kushina was the container let alone knowing that the seal would weaken when she came close to delivery. I guess that explains it, Madara unsealed/summoned the kyuubi when the seal was at its weakest and in the process, killing Kushina and screwing half the village over. Well I guess Madara has a valid reason to be the final villain after all

[samsiufan]

So Madara summoned the Kyuubi and used it to attack Konoha in revenge plan part deux. Yeah thats looking real credible right about now.

True...but the spoilers still hold him responsible....:D


"It was madara who made the attack but untill the last moment i had it. but somehow the guy knew the only occasion when the seal would weaken and he was watching for it and seized it."

I guess Madara is still on the hook no matter what...and he could have then summoned it out of Kushina when the seal got weak...

[laughing@you]

So this means that naruto has that special chakra to contain the kiuby. I don't get it. so you need special chakra to contain the kiuby? but the rest of the bijuus can be sealed in anybody else? :err?

So naruto is actually more related to sasuke than before. We discover that naruto is probably one of the last of his clan? wow i totally see naruto pulling a pain on sasuke. So u want revenge? huh? well my clan was decimated like yours by madara, so what now bitch? LOL?

Am i supposed to go all emo on the world? EFFING LOVE IT!!!!

[Weapon_X]

how did you come up with this one? can you explain it?

When the Kyuubi got out. There were 3 explanations for this.

1. Jiraiya thought it was a intention summoning by Madara(Not at that time)
2. The higher ups thought the Uchihas summoned the Kyuubi so they targetted the Uchihas.
3. Normal citizens thought that it was a natural disaster.

From this chapter we know that Mikoto knows of the whole Uzumakis being chosen, she knew that Kushina was the host of the Kyuubi and no one else knew. If she told the Uchihas that Kushina was the host of the Kyuubi, then they wouldn't have been killed because they've got a clear/solid defence to proove that they did not summon the Kyuubi and that the Kyuubi leaked out of Kushina.

But Mikoto never did this.

[Asin]

theres no one underestimating kushina ability... is the latest manga out yet? because wo prove these opinions we have are plain bs.

again, im not disagreeing or agreeing with the theory of sasuke has the half of kyuubi.. but if you look closely to what youve been reading for years... theres no fckn prove that he has it... even he did, minato could have told to naruto and said other half of the kyuubi is to other child. its fckn obvious minato sealed the fckn kyuubi to his boy alone.

[CBlitz]

From this chapter we know that Mikoto knows of the whole Uzumakis being chosen, she knew that Kushina was the host of the Kyuubi and no one else knew. If she told the Uchihas that Kushina was the host of the Kyuubi, then they wouldn't have been killed because they've got a clear/solid defence to proove that they did not summon the Kyuubi and that the Kyuubi leaked out of Kushina.

But Mikoto never did this.

the spoilers imply that Mikoto never knew about Kushina being the host, she was just friends with her.

[panasit]

You know, I never buy the fact that Itachi would side with ANBU just because he hates war. May be Mikoto influenced his way of thinking.

[Muhbaer]

For all we know, an Uchiha played a major part in causing Kushina to release the Kyuubi. And even if Kyuubi didn't show up as part of a natural desaster because it was locked up in a Jichuriki, an Uchiha with Kyuubi control could still force the Kyuubi to break free from its host.

if this was true then naruto vs. madara would be meaningless. what's the point in sealing and controlling the kjuubi if someone can hack it out again.
maybe kushina was only a vessel and naruto now is a partner. this way it would be logical again :)

[laughing@you]

theres no one underestimating kushina ability... is the latest manga out yet? because wo prove these opinions we have are plain bs.

again, im not disagreeing or agreeing with the theory of sasuke has the half of kyuubi.. but if you look closely to what youve been reading for years... theres no fckn prove that he has it... even he did, minato could have told to naruto and said other half of the kyuubi is to other child. its fckn obvious minato sealed the fckn kyuubi to his boy alone.

You make so much Fckn sense!!! :p

lol


I love it!!

Don't fckn disagree with this theory!!!:eyeroll

[SenninSage]

So this means that naruto has that special chakra to contain the kiuby. I don't get it. so you need special chakra to contain the kiuby? but the rest of the bijuus can be sealed in anybody else? :err?

So naruto is actually more related to sasuke than before. We discover that naruto is probably one of the last of his clan? wow i totally see naruto pulling a pain on sasuke. So u want revenge? huh? well my clan was decimated like yours by madara, so what now bitch? LOL?

Am i supposed to go all emo on the world? EFFING LOVE IT!!!!

It's possible that you need something special, however, it's also possible that others could take it as well. It could simply just be that people like Naruto were simply the best equipped to handle the Kyuubi.

[Asakujaku]

I think Naruto’s chakra and his ability to withstand the Kyuubi’s chakra is the result of Kushina’s sealing abilities and the Senju’s power to keep the bijuu under control.

[Paradoxicon]

Damn, I so can't wait to see Madara in this one. Him sneaking around Konoha, acting all "non-suspicious".

"Hey, who are you? The delivery room is for doctors only."
-"I am the doctor."
"No, you're not. I am."
-"Good to know." /absorbs doctor away

Too bad it won't go like this :D

[laughing@you]

if this was true then naruto vs. madara would be meaningless. what's the point in sealing and controlling the kjuubi if someone can hack it out again.
maybe kushina was only a vessel and naruto now is a partner. this way it would be logic again :)

I just don't get why madara had to wait? Could it be there was no statue back then? That he nad no means of retrieving the kiuby? But he had it before? Madara was using the kiuby vs hashirama and when he was defeated then it got sealed on hashirama's wife. so how did madara actually contained the kiuby before?

[lionel messi]

i think alot of people predicted everything thats going to happen in the other thread correctly.how madara somehow waited until kushina was about to give birth because he knew the seal would be weakest then so he just released the kyuubi then.

[Paradoxicon]

if this was true then naruto vs. madara would be meaningless. what's the point in sealing and controlling the kjuubi if someone can hack it out again.
maybe kushina was only a vessel and naruto now is a partner. this way it would be logical again :)

The spoiler says just that. madara waits for the seal to weaken, and then strikes.
Obviously that won't work on Naruto because 1. Naruto now has the Kyuubi under control, 2. he's not going to give birth to a child anytime soon, 3. Minato probably tweaked the seal so it 's not (uchiha-)haxxable.

[richtoyz]

so the uzimaki clan got the sage of six path's body passes down, so they had the chakra and the sealing jutsu. since the kyubi is the closest in power to the jiubi, i guess it has to be someone from that clan who has to be the host.

[samsiufan]

if this was true then naruto vs. madara would be meaningless. what's the point in sealing and controlling the kjuubi if someone can hack it out again.
maybe kushina was only a vessel and naruto now is a partner. this way it would be logical again :)

aah...maybe they could before like when Sasuke spoke to the Kyuubi within Naruto but I think now that Naruto has the Kyuubi's chakra and Kyuubi is sealed with the Rikodou's seal... I think Madara has no chance...it is all theory anyway..

[CBlitz]

it'll be interesting to see how Madara did it, that's probably the most important part of this flashback. Maybe we'll even get to see some Minato vs. Madara in the next chapter :hurr

[zerocooldx]

Damn, I so can't wait to see Madara in this one. Him sneaking around Konoha, acting all "non-suspicious".

"Hey, who are you? The delivery room is for doctors only."
-"I am the doctor."
"No, you're not. I am."
-"Good to know." /absorbs doctor away

Too bad it won't go like this :D

Madara clearly threw a white bed cover over himself and ghosted around Konoha for a couple of months.

[empeethree]

Jiraya said that the Yin half of the chakra was sealed USING Shikia Fuujin. Jiraya, Kakashi, and others have also clearly stated that no one really knows how the Shikia Fuujin works. So we have two 'facts'. 1. Yin half was sealed USING a jutsu... 2. The details of how that jutsu works are not understood by anyone in the manga.

Your 'rigid interpretation' of those two facts is to believe that the Yin half of the QB was sealed INTO the reaper. I'm suggesting that it is more than possible that Minato instead sealed himself and MADARA into the reaper. For Minato this meant death. But Madara had some way of saving himself. Minato saw this, and with his high level of skill with the highest level of seals, he splits the QB in two and seals half in Naruto and half in Sauske.

It isn't that far-fetched and yes there is evidence (hints) that Sauske has QB chakra (affinity for QB, "Don't kill Naruto, you'll regret it...", hate-fuelled chakra bursts from nowhere, Karin sensing something in Naruto that is 'just like...' and so forth. To say that ONLY your interpretation is possible is a rigid interpretation based on your opinion. Sorry - that's just how it is.

im just repeating myself.

you mean the death god?? where's the death god?

shiki fuujin is the death god seal. oh common. at least look on the databook about the jutsu. what does it do. what does it does. what does it da da da does.
its hard to explain to those who doesn't listen. >.>


1. Yin half was sealed USING a jutsu...
- true

2. The details of how that jutsu works are not understood by anyone in the manga.
- yeah right, Jiraya, Kakashi, and others have also clearly stated that no one really knows how the Shikia Fuujin works because they actually don't do the seal, yet you can prove it with the sandaime hokage and the gama bunta who actually fought with minato.


I'm suggesting that it is more than possible that Minato instead sealed himself and MADARA into the reaper. For Minato this meant death. But Madara had some way of saving himself. Minato saw this, and with his high level of skill with the highest level of seals, he splits the QB in two and seals half in Naruto and half in Sauske.
How is that be? O_o
if that happens, all things are messed up from the beginning.
The sealing Jiraiya mention, and those about naruto, waaaa!!
i wish for you to someday replace the author.

[laughing@you]

It's possible that you need something special, however, it's also possible that others could take it as well. It could simply just be that people like Naruto were simply the best equipped to handle the Kyuubi.

:err? Take it? how? If orochimaru had enough knowledge to mess with the seal? Plus at the beginning they feared naruto would let the kiuby out with that scroll he stoled, why couldn't madara stolen naruto and unseal it?

There's to many holes in this story!!

[samsiufan]

The spoiler says just that. madara waits for the seal to weaken, and then strikes.
Obviously that won't work on Naruto because 1. Naruto now has the Kyuubi under control, 2. he's not going to give birth to a child anytime soon, 3. Minato probably tweaked the seal so it 's not (uchiha-)haxxable.

And 4. Naruto has re-inforced the seal with much stronger seal that even the Kyuubi recognises as the Rikoudou sennin's.....

[Paradoxicon]

so the uzimaki clan got the sage of six path's body passes down, so they had the chakra and the sealing jutsu. since the kyubi is the closest in power to the jiubi, i guess it has to be someone from that clan who has to be the host.

The senju got the RS body. But maybe the Uzumaki are a secret third line of heritage who inherited the Sage's "special" chakra.

[Weapon_X]

Seems like when the seal got weaker, Madara summoned the Kyuubi straight out of Kushina. Now that's what you call power.

[CBlitz]

:err? Take it? how? If orochimaru had enough knowledge to mess with the seal? Plus at the beginning they feared naruto would let the kiuby out with that scroll he stoled, why couldn't madara stolen naruto and unseal it?

There's to many holes in this story!!

heh its a minor retcon, I suppose the Third was just too paranoid...although he did say that the chances of Naruto actually using the scroll and unsealing the 9tails was a million to one

[SenninSage]

I just don't get why madara had to wait? Could it be there was no statue back then? That he nad no means of retrieving the kiuby? But he had it before? Madara was using the kiuby vs hashirama and when he was defeated then it got sealed on hashirama's wife. so how did madara actually contained the kiuby before?

No need to contain it, he could literally summon and control it, according to Jiraiya.

Jiraiya was wrong on some details, since he wasn't in the loop, but he's likely to be very correct in assuming Madara had the power to summon the Kyuubi. We all know the Mangekyou Sharingan, much less the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, can control the Kyuubi.

[Nicholas.Sama]

:err? Take it? how? If orochimaru had enough knowledge to mess with the seal? Plus at the beginning they feared naruto would let the kiuby out with that scroll he stoled,why couldn't madara stolen naruto and unseal it?

There's to many holes in this story!!
1. the 9 tail's needs to be sealed last.
2. we don't even know if Madara has that kind of power anymore.
3. Orochimaru just put one seal on top of another. He didn't have much knowledge of Naruto's seal.
4. just wait and see.

[Muhbaer]

I just don't get why madara had to wait? Could it be there was no statue back then? That he nad no means of retrieving the kiuby? But he had it before? Madara was using the kiuby vs hashirama and when he was defeated then it got sealed on hashirama's wife. so how did madara actually contained the kiuby before?

I don't know if Madaras intentions were originally collecting tailed beasts or crush konoha with one.
Jiraiya said something about summoning the kjuubi. from where madara summoned it - no frickn clue.
Possible that he started collecting tailed beasts after he met pain.
pretty damn hard to assemble all those puzzle-pieces if we get plenty new ones each chapter atm.

[Invader]

You sound like you are clutching at straws to me...

I disagree. I'm not saying the Sauske theory is ironclad fact. I'm just saying that there is more than enough hints/plot twists/precedent in the manga to support it. To say otherwise is just silly.


All Karin was probably stating is that the hatred Sasuke is carrying is to similar the hatred the Kyuubi is carrying...simple....it doesn't have to be more complicated than that....

That is a possible interpretation, sure. But not the ONLY one...


As for the Kyuubi telling Sasuke not to kill Naruto, he will regret it - it could have been just the Kyuubi going in to self-survival mode...the Kyuubi could just be as conniving as the best of them...

Do you really believe a statement that obviously made has no significance whatsoever? I don't. Again, that is one POSSIBLE interpretation - but that seems more like grasping at straws to me. Statements like that don't get made unless there is some meaning behind it.


As for the so called hate-filled chakra boost...we have seen the will of fire do wonders for chakra and fights in this manga...do not underestimate the power of emotions especially in this manga...

Not really we haven't. Choji gets chakra boots by eating food pills - which almost kill him. Gai and Lee get chakra boosts by opening chakra gates - which almost kill them. No one else in the manga gets massive chakra bursts from nowhere that I can recall. Neji only survived his fight by strategic dodging. Shikamaru runs out of gas all the time. Kakashi, Asuma, Sarutobi, Kiba, Shino - well I could go on but needless to say the 'will of fire' has never been manifested as emotion-based chakra production.

Anyone got any links showing "emotion" being an engine for chakra generation besides Sauske and Naruto?

[Paradoxicon]

Seems like when the seal got weaker, Madara summoned the Kyuubi straight out of Kushina. Now that's what you call power.

I hesitate to imagine it, but it'll probably look like Animal Pain summoning that giant bird thing out of Ibiki's ass in the anime. :D

[TwEeD]

Oh please please let there be some Uzumaki clan members still alive, i'd love to have Naruto become skilled in Fuujin jutsu. It has so many creative uses who can complement Naruto's fighting style.

On the other hand having Naruto as the last of his clan has also his merits storywise, certainly in relation to Sasuke.

Either way I find it great Naruto is learning about his heritage and can view it with even more pride (As having the great hero 4th hokage you idolized turning out to be your father should already have been a boost :P)

[laughing@you]

1. the 9 tail's needs to be sealed last.
2. we don't even know if Madara has that kind of power anymore.
3. Orochimaru just put one seal on top of another. He didn't have much knowledge of Naruto's seal.
4. just wait and see.

Then why unleashed first? This was 16 years ago. where was that restriction when madara went after the kiuby?

Orochimaru was a genious if could put and additional barrier i'm pretty sure he could undo it.

[Weapon_X]

I hesitate to imagine it, but it'll probably look like Animal Pain summoning that giant bird thing out of Ibiki's ass in the anime. :D

For some reason I keep thinking there's a huge thunderbolt when the Kyuubi appears and Madara is there casually controlling it with 1 eye.

[CBlitz]

But talking in "Naruto" terms, the seal weakened, not Kushina, because it went over to Narutoor something.

I think its more along the lines of her energy/chakra being diverted from the seal to nurture the baby. It makes sense in theory anyway lol :p

[Muhbaer]

Oh please please let there be some Uzumaki clan members still alive, i'd love to have Naruto become skilled in Fuujin jutsu. It has so many creative uses who can complement Naruto's fighting style.

On the other hand having Naruto as the last of his clan has also his merits storywise, certainly in relation to Sasuke.

Either way I find it great Naruto is learning about his heritage and can view it with even more pride (As having the great hero 4th hokage you idolized turning out to be your father should already have been a boost :P)

I want the Hatake clan to be related to them too.
Kakashis father en par with the legendary sanin, give him royal blood !! :p

[Zatono]

lol I suppose, but how was my comment trolling? Also, I'm pretty certain that other half of kyubi's chakra was in the key. I think Naruto has both halves now.

I don't remember saying you trolled o.O? QFT means quoted for truth.

[DARK]

Seems interesting.... It seems the jinchuiriki were meant to also be close to the hokage, the whole thing was similar to the kumo village where also the jinchuiriki was tied to the hokage. Wonder if there is a relationship between tsunade and naruto though. Her grandma was evidently from the whirlpool country so perhaps she is an aunt of sorts to naruto.

If anything, Tsunade is a distant relative to Naruto. We're not even sure about the relationship between Tsunade and Mido, whether or not Tsunade is actually Mido's blood granddaughter.
Even then, we're not sure if Mido and Kushina are directly related, just that they are from the same clan. It doesn't mean that Naruto is Tsunade's grandson, great-nephew, or anything of the sort.
It just means that Naruto and Tsunade have some sort of relationship, and it is quite possible that they aren't blood related at all.

[David Gill]

Nice to see Naruto have a unique lineage. If spoiler are accurate then Sasuke and Naruto both have similar history. This could serve Naruto well if he tries to reason with Sasuke again.

[Kinmagan Gil]

Could you imagine Naruto using seals effectively? He'd eclipse Danzou, who was a Fuuton user and was particularly skilled with Fuuinjutsu... OH SHI-

[toussaintac]

I don't remember saying you trolled o.O? QFT means quoted for truth.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. lol. That explains alot then. I always saaw people saying quit F***ing trolling, so I thought that's what QFT was short for. Anyways, there's no way Sasuke has Kyubi sealed in him. As I've been saying as of late, i think the othr half was sealed in the key and once Naruto used the key to unleash Kyubi, beat kyubi, took the chakra, and obtained the new seal, he gained the other half.

[samsiufan]

Anyone got any links showing "emotion" being an engine for chakra generation besides Sauske and Naruto?

The fight between Oro and the 3rd gave a good example of the will of fire and its effects on fights....

And why besides Sasuke and Naruto...they are the main antagonist and protagonists that have taken all a lot of things in this Manga to the next level...

[HappyClown]

I just don't get why madara had to wait? Could it be there was no statue back then? That he nad no means of retrieving the kiuby? But he had it before? Madara was using the kiuby vs hashirama and when he was defeated then it got sealed on hashirama's wife. so how did madara actually contained the kiuby before?

Hard to say. We know that there are containers that can contain a buju, ie the 8 tail was sealed away then put into Killer Bee.

But, having control over buju is a recent technique, only dating back to the 1st Hokage. [Not counting the Sage of course]

[Nicholas.Sama]

Then why unleashed first? This was 16 years ago. where was that restriction when madara went after the kiuby?

Orochimaru was a genious if could put and additional barrier i'm pretty sure he could undo it.

He DID want to destroy Konoha remember.
It was a completely different type of seal that conflicted with the original.
He put an odd seal on top of an even seal. That is apparently a basic no no in terms of sealing.

[Depotboy]

Wow.Definately worth the two weeks of waiting.
Props to the ones saying that Kyubi broke loose because of Kushina's exhaustion.
Now we can also definately agree that Tobi always says half thruths: Natural disaster my ass.And now we also learn that he was once an Anbu?
At first I thought the one who took Naruto could be Kakashi.But now this changes a lot..Since half the family was already there, I think the theories on Tobi being Sasuke;s father are a little more believable.

Madara obviously wasn't Anbu at the time. It's pretty much near certain he killed one of the ANBU guards who were assigned to be present and pretended to be him, that is if it was indeed Madara who took Naruto.

[gold349]

Need a female here on this forum to confirm if whether a women becomes weak from being pregnant...anyone please?

woman have been vocal for ever saying how hard it is and how much strength it saps out of them...its not an easy thing, a lot of men who have become parents would tell you how hard it was on their ladies...kushina was weakened from child birth and madara took advantage.

[warbandit66]

No.
His hateboys are crying because he did.

I'm in no way a fan of Sasuke but that's not why I'm unhappy about him being in this chapter. It's the fact that he's already had a landmark issue to himself. I don't see why he needs to be slotted into this chapter in such a contrived way. A chapter that should've been all about Naruto.

[toussaintac]

I'm in no way a fan of Sasuke but that's not why I'm unhappy about him being in this chapter. It's the fact that he's already had a landmark issue to himself. I don't see why he needs to be slotted into this chapter in such a contrived way. A chapter that should've been all about Naruto.

It is about Naruto. Sasuke is just shown so you know the relation between Naruto's family and Sasuke. It's really not that serious as people are making it out to be. Would it have been okay if he wasn't shown and Kushina just said that her friend was sasuke's mom? I just don't get it. Who cares if a baby sasuke is in the chapter. They are apart of each other's life.

[DARK]

I'm in no way a fan of Sasuke but that's not why I'm unhappy about him being in this chapter. It's the fact that he's already had a landmark issue to himself. I don't see why he needs to be slotted into this chapter in such a contrived way. A chapter that should've been all about Naruto.

Dude, this is chapter #500. Sasuke (and Madara) had to be inserted in here somehow. They're the main antagonists.

[Harvey]

We finally know what happened to Kushina. Kushina is a character that I wanted to know more about much like Obito. Now there is only one more that I need to cross off my list. What the heck happened to Rin :blink

[warbandit66]

Dude, this is chapter #500. Sasuke (and Madara) had to be inserted in here somehow. They're the main antagonists.

Then where was Naruto during Uchihafest 400? Not once did he appear in that chapter.

[DARK]

Then where was Naruto during Uchihafest 400? Not once did he appear in that chapter.

No. 500 is much more special than no. 400, lol.
And it was during the time when Sasuke discovered the truth of Itachi's intentions from Madara, so there would be no place for Naruto in that chapter.

[toussaintac]

No. 500 is much more special than no. 400, lol.
And it was during the time when Sasuke discovered the truth of Itachi's intentions from Madara, so there would be no place for Naruto in that chapter.

Plus, Sasuke was being thought of as Killer Bee was smacking him and his team about. Other characters talked about naruto as well (Tobi, Pein).

[lionel messi]

hahaha to those u said naruto is a descendants of senju.he is related to them but he is from the uzumaki clan which is seperate as indicated by the spoilers. also madara lied when he said it was only his second time of meeting naruto when he met naruto and started blabing about him seeing hirashima in naruto... i said this earlier but i think i got deleted, this is more reason not to believe everything madara says.

[szhang]

No. 500 is much more special than no. 400, lol.
And it was during the time when Sasuke discovered the truth of Itachi's intentions from Madara, so there would be no place for Naruto in that chapter.

i remember at least in the anime naruto was mentioned in the uchiha fest, where he was sitting down by the lake and there was a short scene of sasuke and naruto tacitly acknowledging each other

[toussaintac]

hahaha to those u said naruto is a descendants of senju.he is related to them but he is from the uzumaki clan which is seperate as indicated by the spoilers. also madara lied when he said it was only his second time of meeting naruto when he met naruto and started blabing about him seeing hirashima in naruto... i said this earlier but i think i got deleted, this is more reason not to believe everything madara says.

Well, how do you think Uzamakis were the best at sealing? Even if Naruto wasn't Senju, he still descended from the Rikudou, whom invented the sealing process. So, if anything, I'd say Senju descended from Uzamakis. lol

[warbandit66]

No. 500 is much more special than no. 400, lol.
And it was during the time when Sasuke discovered the truth of Itachi's intentions from Madara, so there would be no place for Naruto in that chapter.

Yes but in chapter 400 Naruto didn't even get a look in. It seems to me that Kishi just thought that he'd put Sasuke there because he thought it would be cool.

[Zibi234]

Then where was Naruto during Uchihafest 400? Not once did he appear in that chapter.

ehhhh fianly MH page works for me ^^ (for bloody 3weeks I could not access it as it constainly shown "no server found")....

I guess this was important becouse naruto mostly will tell this story to sasuke... how his mom and sasukes mom were friends... and how she along with baby sasuke were there as naruto was betting birth...

and madara screwed up both their families lifes.... Kushina died becouse madara took adventage of the birth and her beign weakened to max... and this lead to uchihas kicked out to the outskirts as the incident core (an uchiha did it).... and later madara made itachi murder full clan...

so maybe after this story they will again fight alongside vs madara the core of their pain...

anyway this chapter kinda proves that Uzumaki clan was related to Senju clan by blood.... and were very close on terms of friendship (I wouldnt be supprised if Minato was a senju just like Harashima so both would have wifes from whirlpool country ^^ [from uzumaki clan] )

so maybe naruto will gain a bloodlimit... or his bloodlimit is based on sealing techs. hard to tell ^^

hmmm so I guess that now it will turn out that madara captured naruto and forced both his parents (with weakened kushina) into forest... where he used his strongest doijutus to force the 9tails to break the seal from the weakened kushina.... than minato with kushinas words mostly decided to seal 9tails in naruto as there was no new container around at that moment (so they had no other way)... the same at the last moment kushina put some of her own chakra into naruto to tell him the story...

anyway somehow Tsunade is related to naruto by blood too :P so tsunade for naruto is like distant grandmother xD

[Youbba]

hahaha to those u said naruto is a descendants of senju.he is related to them but he is from the uzumaki clan which is seperate as indicated by the spoilers. also madara lied when he said it was only his second time of meeting naruto when he met naruto and started blabing about him seeing hirashima in naruto... i said this earlier but i think i got deleted, this is more reason not to believe everything madara says.

Lets wait for the Namikaze clan history :D

[Naruto2011]

hahaha to those u said naruto is a descendants of senju.he is related to them but he is from the uzumaki clan which is seperate as indicated by the spoilers. also madara lied when he said it was only his second time of meeting naruto when he met naruto and started blabing about him seeing hirashima in naruto... i said this earlier but i think i got deleted, this is more reason not to believe everything madara says.

it said uzamaki is distantly related to the senjus by blood, it may be distant but it still makes him a descendant, so i dont know why you are "hahaha" ing

[DARK]

Lets wait for the Namikaze clan history :D

Kishimoto said in an interview that he was going to disclose Kushina's history, which he did through the past few chapters.
I don't think there's not else to say about Minato, and that his relationship with Kushina was mainly to keep the Jinchuriki alligned to the village through the Hokage.
Most likely Minato and his family grew up in the village, and that Minato is just a particularly talented prodigy.

[carcina]

hell yea naruto is from badass sealing jutsu uzumaki clan, i bet kushina tought minato death god no jutsu since its most badass sealing jutsu, but i am interested how was minato so talented, since almost every ninja in this manga that is all godamn powerful comes from some clan

[Paradoxicon]

it said uzamaki is distantly related to the senjus by blood, it may be distant but it still makes him a descendant, so i dont know why you are "hahaha" ing

Not to mention their blood ties thickened by repeatedly marrying into the Senju clan. It only needs one marriage/child to get them to 50-50. Water it down a little, spice it up from somewhere else, and Naruto still has 1/8th of Shodaime in him.

[Alterno]

This is becoming more and more interesting than I thought, So the origins of the sealing method came from Kushina's village, now I wonder if Minato Summoned the death god just to use the seal over him as way to balance the Kyuubi's chakra as much as possible.

Also someone said that the whirl in Konoha's shinobi uniforms was due the relation with the Whirlpool country... congratulations to who brought that theory that comes true today.

As for Naruto being a Senju, that know is death theory, yes they are said to be distant related, but actually there was an Uzumaki Clan, to be honest now that we know about Kushina, I'm more interesting in her background than in Minato's, especially now that Kushina reveals details of sealing technique.

This pretty much confirms that Naruto inherited Kushina's chakra and this explain why Sasuke and Naruto were in the same team, because of Mikoto and Kushina, just like Ino, Shikmaru and Chouji... so what about Sakura?...

[eternalshiva]

Totally called the mention of Sasuke and the lulzigan in this chapter, where's my cookie? If it turns out that the "other half" of the Kyuubi's chakara got sealed in Sasuke that night, since he was there as a baby, I'm going to cut myself and throw the series out of the window.

[xaither]

Not to mention their blood ties thickened by repeatedly marrying into the Senju clan. It only needs one marriage/child to get them to 50-50. Water it down a little, spice it up from somewhere else, and Naruto still has 1/8th of Shodaime in him.

when it said they are distantly blood related it mean that the uzumaki clan are senju's but with a different name and different location, idk i think that what it means

[hawaplop]

Not exactly we know that the Sarutobi clan is a powerfull one look at Asuma, and Konahamaru who was able to use the Rasengan.

my post said we did not know of anything about the Sarutobi clan BEFORE hiruzen. Asuma and Konohamaru come after Hiruzen...

[Henry J. Gloval]

What kind of a man waits for a woman to be weakened from childbirth, steals her newborn child, then attacks her and extracts a daemon from her, possibly killing her in the process in front of her husband?!

Uchiha Madara, I hope Naruto plucks your eyes out and leaves you to bleed to death.

[Curryman]

I still don't get how Madara was just hanging out in Konoha disguised as anbu (and no one noticed) and also was the Mizukage?

I can't wait to find out this guy's true identity too. Hopefully soon...

[panasit]

Madara stole his brother eye and go against the will of a warrior he admired like Itachi telling Sasuke the truth. He's never that honorable.

Anyway, finally a reference to Sarutobi Sasuke. I always thought it's weird the two name separated to two different people.

[Youbba]

my post said we did not know of anything about the Sarutobi clan BEFORE hiruzen. Asuma and Konohamaru come after Hiruzen...

Yes I didn't miss it ;)
It's just that Hiruzen was very old, probably the older of his clan.
Asuma and Konohamaru come after, but they are a proof that the Sarutobi clan is a powerfull clan.

[kh2masta]

i think madara wanted sasuke to have the fox because he wouldnt have the special chakra and it would be easier to get the fox later.

im not a sasuke yin half chakra supporter but, what if the only why to take out the yin half is to be very happy and sasukes never been happy really so he could never unleash the fox. haha

[IH8MYSELF]

Maybe that anbu guy was Danzo? or his relatives from roots?

[Gats]

I still don't get how Madara was just hanging out in Konoha disguised as anbu (and no one noticed) and also was the Mizukage?

I can't wait to find out this guy's true identity too. Hopefully soon...

I bet that the Madara being disguised into ANBU is just another very bad interpretation from the spoiler provider OR a bad translation. Remember that his old mask was different.

He was just masked, as usual, and killed/KO/Space timed the ninjas.


edit : Sasuke has nothing to do with Kyuubi itself. They just met his mother and baby Sasuke when they were on their way, and have a little chat with her. The origin of Sasuke's name seems quite interesting.

[laughing@you]

I thought rikoudu sennin was the 1st shinobi not the 1st human being. How many children this guy had that created so many clans?

So I guess if sealing is in narutos blood does that mean he will start sealing everybody out there?? I wonder if he will seal kisame?

[ek7]

Naruto must absolutely kill Madara. That's a really sad story for Naruto. Whatever he believed until now, he must avenge his parents.

[DARK]

What kind of a man waits for a woman to be weakened from childbirth, steals her newborn child, then attacks her and extracts a daemon from her, possibly killing her in the process in front of her husband?!

Uchiha Madara, I hope Naruto plucks your eyes out and leaves you to bleed to death.

That's what happens when you strip the man of his "secret weapon."

[Naruto2011]

Naruto must absolutely kill Madara. That's a really sad story for Naruto. Whatever he believed until now, he must avenge his parents.

but naruto will just turn into sasuke with the revenge crap and hate powers hahaha :D

[Rikudou Sennin]

Now I cant wait to find more info on Minato 's Namikazen family also.

This chapter seems to be epic.

[BekasStrife]

Poor Kushina and Minato, especially the second one; having to choose between your wife and son?

I hope Naruto KILLS Madara, revives him and KILLS him again just for fun. With loads of gore. No matter what he has been preaching, if anyone needs to be avenge, are Naruto's parents D8<

[laughing@you]

but naruto will just turn into sasuke with the revenge crap and hate powers hahaha :D

Noup he will seal sasukes hatred alonside kiuby. Naruto sealing god uzumaki.

[Youbba]

Naruto must absolutely kill Madara. That's a really sad story for Naruto. Whatever he believed until now, he must avenge his parents.
That would be awesome ... but seeing how Kishi is building Naruto personality, he'll want to "understand" Madara in order to create "peace" in the ninja world, which is by the way the most stupid idea

[Zibi234]

very sad ending for kushina.... release the 9tails or have your baby that she was waiting for so long get killed right after it was born.... minato and kushina were happy that they were finally parents.... and here madara that shit bastard jump in... and threatens them... while they did not even started to be parents...

Madara is a weakling... he had to wait for the birth moment to threaten a totaly weakened woman to leave the 9tails or he will kill her new born baby..... Madara is a stupid ass he couldnt do a shit to kushina or minato for 10months... and attacked when they were in the weakest moment.... kinda weak for a uchiha legend... go the easy way...

I really hope that naruto cuts his head off and sticks it on a stick... or use his scull as his key-chain... bastard needs to go to hell make the death god devour him little by little till the end of the world...

Naruto will go nuts and will train in order to avenge his parents and what madara done to them...

[NAM61]

looks like minato had to choose between the life of kushina or naruto. madara is indeed a evil bastard and it looks like he may have killed sarutobis wife. cause it says she was with kushina and she screamed or something

[DARK]

My predictions:
Naruto will seal Sasuke, Madara, all of the Tailed Beasts, and the Jyubi inside of himself, and die.

[Remy]

Noup he will seal sasukes hatred alonside kiuby. Naruto sealing god uzumaki.

Nah he'll seal tjhe Juubi inside him, + kisame, madara and tobi. He'll become ultra super duper sage of the 36 paths

[Naruto2011]

i used to think madara shouldnt be the final villain, but now i definitely see him as it

[weehoo107]

LOL @ everyone who was freaking out earlier about this chapter being a disappointment with Sasuke being in it and seeming lame..... after new spoilers this chapter looks really, really interesting. The only thing I don't like is that it sounds like Kishi is gonna give us a killer cliff-hanger like he always does at crucial moments this this...

[kenjiIkichiha]

Is anyone else starting to think that Madara is the most annoying character of Naruto after reading this chapter?

[videogamer64]

Good to see Madara actually doing something evil himself rather than beating up fodder nin or manipulating others

[weehoo107]

Is anyone else starting to think that Madara is the most annoying character of Naruto after reading this chapter?

Annoying? No. Pitiful? Yes.

He's an antagonist, and this series doesn't have very good antagonistic figures. He does this, and he gets an upgrade in villain points.

[samsiufan]

Despite all..Madara is still not a final villain but all this shows is the power hunger of the Uchiha clan...those eyes are truly cursed....

I did say we will see the pure evil of the Uchiha clan - However this is just the pure evil of one Uchiha Madara....and the cursed sharingan....I mean to have top power in the eyes that will require you to get your brother eyes and implant them is a recipe for disaster...power comes at a cost and Madara is willing to do all that it takes...

[toussaintac]

OMG. You know what I just thought of? What if the Island that Naruto is on is actually where the whirlpool country was and where the Uzamakis lived? I mean who exactly had all of that stuff made? It's known to have special powers and it can keep bijuu sealed on the island so they can be sealed there. Kumo is known for taking over stuff. Maybe they attacked that area. Otherwise, I don't see how Bee knew of the area on his own.

[Invader]

Good to see Madara actually doing something evil himself rather than beating up fodder nin or manipulating others

Yep. Good stories need good villians and Madara up to this point has been something of a question mark rather than an antagonist. Hey... ThAN AN ANtagonist... That's 3 "ans" in as many words. Cool.

[chess4]

i probably now this has been said, but since tsunade's grandma was an uzimaki, then her and naruto are kin to each other

[Bleda]

Is anyone else starting to think that Madara is the most annoying character of Naruto after reading this chapter?

If by annoying you mean an almost unresistable urge to punch him in the face or give him a head butt, yes, we are on the same bus.

BTW, chapter might be longer than 18 pages, it seems there is too much going on for just 18pages.

[samsiufan]

OMG. You know what I just thought off? What if the Island that Naruto is on is actually where the whirlpool country was and where the Uzamakis lived? I mean who exactly had all of that stuff made? It's known to have special powers and it can keep bijuu sealed on the island so they can be sealed there.

Will that not place it in Kumo or near there? When indications are it was in the fire country?

I doubt it...

[DeBaron8]

Hmm...according to new spoiler Sasuke was named after the 3rd's father? That seems weird, but kinda cool I guess, mabye he'll end up dying like the 3rd and Asuma.

I'm also liking how Tobi/Madara now seems to be confirmed as the final villain. It goes well with the mystery of the man behind the mask and now as the reason for the death of Naruto's parents. I didn't really want Kabuto to become the final villain.

[samsiufan]

Mikoto wanted Sasuke to be a great strong shinobi..she got her wish but too bad he is on the bad side lol

[kenjiIkichiha]

If by annoying you mean an almost unresistable urge to punch him in the face or give him a head butt, yes, we are on the same bus.

BTW, chapter might be longer than 18 pages, it seems there is too much going on for just 18pages.

Hahahah , don't worry, after Naruto having to hear of all of this, Naruto is gonna lay a nice smooth punch right into Madara right eye, breaking his mask ;)

[toussaintac]

Will that not place it in Kumo or near there? When indications are it was in the fire country?

I doubt it...

Actually, it's said to be in Lightning country. I still find it hard to believe that this island would have these special abilities. I think it had to have had inhabitants before the lightning counrty likely took over it. From the stuff we've seen in the island there are a lot of things dealing with seals.

[THM Nindo]

Wow... I wonder if Hiruzen's wife was killed by Tobi, or if he just stunned her.
Tobi is really an asshole...

With this chapter, I think he really deserve the title of last villain now...

[firewater17]

Is anyone else starting to think that Madara is the most annoying character of Naruto after reading this chapter?

are you kidding?I would't say he is the ultimate villain but
-after 220 chapters we still don't know who he really is.
-he managed to fool and patronize most akatsuki members (outside Pain, Zetsu), Sasuke too
-everytime he speaks we don't if we should believe him or not
-he always takes a back seat in the story but somehow he influences major events (Naruto's birth!!) and always comes through
-has not even be touched once.And this while being a shell of his former self
-he managed to gather 7 biju

I think he is a sly SOB but irritating?Never.

[zerocooldx]

Wow... I wonder if Hiruzen's wife was killed by Tobi, or if he just stunned her.
Tobi is really an asshole...

With this chapter, I think he really deserve the title of last villain now...

Its about time we got done with all of the hugging and fist bumping and finally get down to something that actually resembles a villain.

[Paradoxicon]

The chapter gets better and better. Badass Madara, funny Minato, and Sasuke is really shown only as a nod "He also exists".

[zr0]

so if madara is the final boss, what does does everyone predict on sasuke's fate? will he kill naruto or join him

[sarutobi_sensei]

That son of a bitch. He threatened Naruto's life the minute he was born!

Damn him, Naruto go ahead and kill the mofo.

[ForMotherRussia]

so if madara is the final boss, what does does everyone predict on sasuke's fate? will he kill naruto or join him

sasuke will repent and change his ways as soon as he finds out the truth, i mean not madara's truth or itachi's truth, the real truth. the only question is how he'll do this.

[firewater17]

Wow... I wonder if Hiruzen's wife was killed by Tobi, or if he just stunned her.
Tobi is really an asshole...

With this chapter, I think he really deserve the title of last villain now...
you mean hashirama's wife right?
in the fight between Hashirama and Madara Kyubi was present.Since hashirama's wife was a jinchuriki maybe Madara released Kyubi back then and killed her in the process.

[ShadowFlame]

WEll finally a new coherent and simple spoiler that makes sense!

Kushina was chosen as a jinchuriki due to her special chakra and family history (senju-whirl relations). She becomes a jinchuriki and marries the 4th hokage, minato.

She has to give birth so the 3rd arranges a secret place with chosen personal guards, to avoid the 9tails coming out.

Everything goes good as minato handles the 9 tails with is seal, until the masked person (madara?) kills the anbu guards takes the baby and threatens to kill it.

Chaos ensures, 9th tail gets loose! Kushina probably wont survive and minato sacrifices himself to seal the 9tails chakra into his baby to make another jinchuriki and continue the cycle.


All these events related to the birth of a prodigical child not surprisingly resemble very close to the story of Harry potter and the night of power (and prophecy)

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What I always don’t like in these dues ex machine (in long running series/books) is that the author probably has to come up with them much later in the story, which usually causes holes and clichés.


Again we have a traitor in the midst that even the 4th and 3rd could not spot. Clearly because of the great significance important of the jinchuriki giving birth they must have chosen very trustworthy and Strong Experienced shinobi, with other magical precautions.


Then how could they fail… … without even a fight. Sadly the author then swirls in a blend of destiny/faith colliding with evil through the hands of a traitor (madara). ;/

[toussaintac]

you mean hashirama's wife right?
in the fight between Hashirama and Madara Kyubi was present.Since hashirama's wife was a jinchuriki maybe Madara released Kyubi back then and killed her in the process.

I believe the bijuu were loose until after that fight. also, I beleive the spoiler said Hashirama's wife sealed the Kyuubi in her to stop it from being controlled by Madara.

[sarutobi_sensei]

you mean hashirama's wife right?
in the fight between Hashirama and Madara Kyubi was present.Since hashirama's wife was a jinchuriki maybe Madara released Kyubi back then and killed her in the process.

No.

Mito, Hashirama's wife, died naturally. She only sealed the Kyuubi in her after the fight with Madara was over.

Hiruzen's wife, the one mentioned in the spoiler, was attacked by the masked man.

So, I honestly wonder who the masked man is. Is he really Madara or someone else, or maybe even Madara in someone else's body.
[hr]
@ShadowFlame: It says in the spoiler that someone took care of the ANBU standing outside of the place, and then slipped inside the room, took out Hiruzen's wife and the other guy and snatched Naruto.

Now, what truly amazes me, is that even Sandaime and Yondaime together couldn't do a thing! Well sure Minato was holding back the Kyuubi inside Kushina, but still...

And Sasuke needs to know the entire truth and see that he has been played. I want the old Sasuke back.

[toussaintac]

No.

Mito, Hashirama's wife, died naturally. She only sealed the Kyuubi in her after the fight with Madara was over.

Hiruzen's wife, the one mentioned in the spoiler, was attacked by the masked man.

So, I honestly wonder who the masked man is. Is he really Madara or someone else, or maybe even Madara in someone else's body.

I still think it could possibly be someone from Whirlpool country. I still don't feel it's Madara. I think it's someone who took his death as a chance to use his legend and impersonate to strike fear in others. However, this Tobi is still not to be messed with, whoever he is (Unless you're Kabuto. lol).
[hr]
So, if the only time a seal weakens is when a woman is giving birth, does it weaken when a man ejaculates or something?

[weehoo107]

So, if the only time a seal weakens is when a woman is giving birth, does it weaken when a man ejaculates or something?

If you wanna get serious about it, it says in the spoiler something about the seal's power transferring to Naruto. Or something or other.

"During the 10 months (of pregnancy) from the conception to the delivery, the energy of seal shifts to the baby and in proportion to that, the seal itself gets weak."


I think in the mother's case the seal's power passed on to Naruto because he was inside of her... I'm just gonna stop right there. :hurr

[THM Nindo]

you mean hashirama's wife right?
in the fight between Hashirama and Madara Kyubi was present.Since hashirama's wife was a jinchuriki maybe Madara released Kyubi back then and killed her in the process.

No, I mean Bawifo (or something like that), the 3rd wife.
She was there when Naruto was born, but the spoiler says that her and the Ambu dropped down on the ground, and Tobi takes the baby.

So I wonder if he killed her or not...

[toussaintac]

If you wanna get serious about it, it says in the spoiler something about the seal's power transferring to Naruto. Or something or other.

"During the 10 months (of pregnancy) from the conception to the delivery, the energy of seal shifts to the baby and in proportion to that, the seal itself gets weak."


I think in the mother's case the seal's power passed on to Naruto because he was inside of her... I'm just gonna stop right there. :hurr

Yeah, I understood that already. My question was whether it ever had something similar happen for a guy (since guys don't go through pregnancy it would have to weaken from something else). So basically, is there any time that a seal would weaken for a man? Lighten up.

[ShadowFlame]

I don’t like how kishi is trying to further integrating and intervening naruto and sasuke "history" and destiny. Sadly it seems we cant have a good separate ditch related tragic end for sas/kura in a shounen magazine. This reminds me of how kishi degraded kakashi's death by removing the finalness of death.

But hey who’s complaining if kakashi, itachi or deidara come back right ;)


I thought the spoiler was clear that the "masked man" is the same person who takes care of the guards and then makes Biwako (3rd's wife) and Taji (anbu) "scream".

[weehoo107]

Yeah, I understood that already. My question was whether it ever had something similar happen for a guy (since guys don't go through pregnancy it would have to weaken from something else).

I honestly don't see anything like that happening to a man since they can't have babies. The only thing that would make a seal weaken (in a man's case) I think would be someone directly weakening it or taking it off.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/439/14-15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/496/11/

That's all I can think of.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Stress, emotional pain, confusion, anger, normal stuff that would make the seal weaken.

If lets say, he isn't able to control the pain he is feeling the seal will most likely weaken on that period of time.

[toussaintac]

Is this really the same Tobi that we haven't seen fight anyone? Knocking ANBU out and whatnot. So what exactly was he going to do with Naruto who didn't even have the Kyuubi in him at the time? Did he want to take him, raise him, and make him the person to use Gedo Mazo? Also, why did he flee once Minato sealed Kyuubi in Naruto? He was fighting without the Kyubi before. I guess we'll find out.

[ju gatsu mikka]

I think there is something not correct with the spoiler thats about the human sacrifice of first hokage's wife and all stuff.

But if its true then it sucks coz tsunade is more then 50 or 60 years old, who is first's grand daughter... so i think it can't be that naruto is the 3rd sacrifice...

Well, if they had lived, Minato and Kushina will be between 35 and 40 years old. There is a gap of 10 to 15 between Tsunade and Kushina.

So when Kushina arrived to Konoha, Tsunade had something like 20. If she his the grand daughter of Mito and the 1st, then Mito was probably something like 60 to 70 years old. That consistant.

Kushina can even been a cousin of Tsunade it will be consistant too (10 to 15 years gap isn't shocking :

I am 21 years older than my younger cousin and my younger uncle does'nt have child yet (8 years gap between him and me)
One of my uncle have 10 brothers and sisters and the oldest is older than one of my granny (10 years gap) and have the same age than the other one.
A cousin of my mother is younger than me.)

[xaither]

Is this really the same Tobi that we haven't seen fight anyone? Knocking ANBU out and whatnot. So what exactly was he going to do with Naruto who didn't even have the Kyuubi in him at the time? Did he want to take him, raise him, and make him the person to use Gedo Mazo? Also, why did he flee once Minato sealed Kyuubi in Naruto? He was fighting without the Kyubi before. I guess we'll find out.

I think he took naruto has a distraction for minato.
it was either save the baby or save kushina
which is really evil

[firewater17]

Yeah, I understood that already. My question was whether it ever had something similar happen for a guy (since guys don't go through pregnancy it would have to weaken from something else). So basically, is there any time that a seal would weaken for a man? Lighten up.

judging from Naruto the seals power declined over time.Maybe Jiraya's tampering with the seal helped too, but kyubi's chakra was leaking all the time during the first arc (after being provoked of course but even so).Also i'm not talking about the way the seal was designed by Minato (according to which kyubi chakra mixed with naruto's one without complication) but for the instancies in which there was imperfect transformation (0-1 tails).

We can;t know if this process occurs in both men and women

[Harvey]

Is this really the same Tobi that we haven't seen fight anyone? Knocking ANBU out and whatnot. So what exactly was he going to do with Naruto who didn't even have the Kyuubi in him at the time? Did he want to take him, raise him, and make him the person to use Gedo Mazo? Also, why did he flee once Minato sealed Kyuubi in Naruto? He was fighting without the Kyubi before. I guess we'll find out.

May be he wanted Sasuke to have the Kyuubi. May be it was part of his plan to let the Qb break free thus killing Kushina and Minato. I'm leaning towards the first one because as we all know Madara always wanted the Uchiha to rise in power and not let the Senju and Senju followers take order. The uchihas master plan was to perhaps use Sasuke as their weapon to take control of Konoha. Unfortunately it didn't work out.

[ShadowFlame]

If you wanna get serious about it, it says in the spoiler something about the seal's power transferring to Naruto. Or something or other.

"During the 10 months (of pregnancy) from the conception to the delivery, the energy of seal shifts to the baby and in proportion to that, the seal itself gets weak."


I think in the mother's case the seal's power passed on to Naruto because he was inside of her... I'm just gonna stop right there. :hurr


lol I think all that was implied by the spoiler was that the seal weakens (or weakened) during the emotional and physically demanding process of birth.


Then why did then they typically use young girls for jinchurikis. Probably they made better "containers" or some families like kushina had special chakra which helped control the beast. They were probably also much easier to control and keep track of, and you could anchor them by marrying them off to strong hokages of other villages.


But why did they change new jinchurikis to boys such as Garaa, naruto and octoguy. Maybe it was just easier to "pass on" jinchruikiis to them during birth or maybe jinchurikis' children like naruto had good features and chakra. Most likely they were good candidates e.g related( or sons/brothers) to the hokage like garaa and killerbee ;/

[SenninSage]

Whoa, so Madara actually kidnapped Naruto as a baby eh? The Fourth must have been pretty damn awesome to not only rescue Naruto, but to also remove the Kyuubi from Madara's control saving the village on top of sealing it away inside Naruto, using both his and his wife's energy so that they could help Naruto one day.

If Madara did indeed have his hands on Naruto, then this would greatly imply, depending on what happens from here on out, that the Fourth may have held some things back for fear of hurting his newborn son. Madara is the epitome of a coward, using a new born baby against the Fourth.

[toussaintac]

So, does something special if a bijuu is sealed in an Uchiha?

[SenninSage]

lol I think all that was implied by the spoiler was that the seal weakens (or weakened) during the emotional and physically demanding process of birth.


Then why did then they typically use young girls for jinchurikis. Probably they made better "containers" or some families like kushina had special chakra which helped control the beast. They were probably also much easier to control and keep track of, and you could anchor them by marrying them off to strong hokages of other villages.


But why did they change new jinchurikis to boys such as Garaa, naruto and octoguy. Maybe it was just easier to "pass on" jinchruikiis to them during birth or maybe jinchurikis' children like naruto had good features and chakra. Most likely they were good candidates e.g related( or sons/brothers) to the hokage like garaa and killerbee ;/

The first female simply had the necessary skill and talent to do so, and did so for the sake of the First Hokage. The second just so happened to be the best candidate because her chakra was special and could contain the Kyuubi's power.

Naruto, because, well, there was no better choice at the time, I think.
[hr]

So, does something special if a bijuu is sealed in an Uchiha?

Indeed, I have a very strange feeling that something weird happens to an Uchiha that has a bijuu sealed inside of them.

The connection between Naruto and Sasuke, is that some technique was performed at birth, using Sasuke partially as a host in order to help keep Naruto alive throughout the sealing process. And, perhaps because of that very thing, Naruto's and Sasuke's lives may actually be, without their knowledge, intertwined together. I think if Naruto dies, so does Sasuke, regardless of what Sasuke might be doing.

lol random guess.

[firewater17]

after this incident where a masked Uchicha kills guards/anbu, leads the hokage and his wife in sacrificing themselves and releases kyubi in the village who could really blame the elders for wiping out the whole uchicha clan.
They must have thought that by killing everyone would get the SOB too.

[Invader]

Is this really the same Tobi that we haven't seen fight anyone? Knocking ANBU out and whatnot.

If so - then clearly Madara before the fight was a different beast than Madara after the fight. This goes in line with my theory (only a THEORY people!) that Minato used the Shikia Fuujin on Madara, leaving him severely weakened. His teleportation ability probably factored into his survival somehow, but whatever happened left him bereft of a lot of his power.

Maybe Madara was sealed in the Death God, but is using his dimensional shift to teleport a ghost of himself out of the seal and is using Zetsu mold as a 'body'. Madara said that Nagato's resurrection spell was supposed to be 'for him'. I think his real plan is to gather all the Bijju and use their power to rez himself out of the Death God and into a newer, immortal body that has the Juubi sealed in it for his Planetary Tsuykomi.

I think him going after Naruto as a baby is just the 'original phase' of the plan. He needed the Kyuubi, and the only way to get it was at that moment. It just didn't work out the way he planned, and now 16 years later he's back at it again.

[sarutobi_sensei]

The first female simply had the necessary skill and talent to do so, and did so for the sake of the First Hokage. The second just so happened to be the best candidate because her chakra was special and could contain the Kyuubi's power.

Naruto, because, well, there was no better choice at the time, I think.

Indeed, I have a very strange feeling that something weird happens to an Uchiha that has a bijuu sealed inside of them.

The connection between Naruto and Sasuke, is that some technique was performed at birth, using Sasuke partially as a host in order to help keep Naruto alive throughout the sealing process. And, perhaps because of that very thing, Naruto's and Sasuke's lives may actually be, without their knowledge, intertwined together. I think if Naruto dies, so does Sasuke, regardless of what Sasuke might be doing.

lol random guess.

Minato saw something special in Naruto. Plus he had Kushina's and his blood running trough his veins. Naruto had the Uzumaki's capacity and most likely the ability to suppress the Kyuubi just like his mother.

Hmm, that is indeed interesting.

Maybe if one dies, so does the other? But Naruto couldn't possibly know that @ the time he said: if we fight, we'll both die.

[ShadowFlame]

after this incident where a masked Uchicha kills guards/anbu, leads the hokage and his wife in sacrificing themselves and releases kyubi in the village who could really blame the elders for wiping out the whole uchicha clan.
They must have thought that by killing everyone would get the SOB too.

hmm yeah thats a superb conclusion that makes actual sense to do. But the only flaws i can see are that the 3rd adn 4th would never do something so cruel and injust to so many innocent uchihas families ( children, parents). Also I think this birth adn incident was soo top secret that no one knew about it. Yet still traitors can found in the midst of your closest allies and friends. I just cant help not comparing this to harry potter. Both of them have many cheese and bullet holes in them :/

[Paradoxicon]

I wonder why the 3rd wasn't more active in pursuing the guy who attacked his wife and released the Kyuubi on the village. at least it explains why he was surprisingly coldhearted when he agreed to wiping out the Uchiha.

[ShadowFlame]

Madara is indeed the quintessence epitome of evwil and awesomeness, using a new born baby against the Fourth.

fixe'tt uchihahahahehahe :eyeroll

But then again what chance and choice does a "powerless" madara have against an enraged 4th and his group of anbu friends. We must also see things from madara's point of view, where he thinks he was robbed of his righteous glory by the senjus, who stepped on the uchihas and took their political power.
[hr]
you guys are also forgetting that a few of the "rotten uchihas" were indeed talking about uprising and killing other innocent people to get the power back from the senjus. That must be true for itachi to also agree and accept such a job.

[DeBaron8]

If so - then clearly Madara before the fight was a different beast than Madara after the fight. This goes in line with my theory (only a THEORY people!) that Minato used the Shikia Fuujin on Madara, leaving him severely weakened. His teleportation ability probably factored into his survival somehow, but whatever happened left him bereft of a lot of his power.

Maybe Madara was sealed in the Death God, but is using his dimensional shift to teleport a ghost of himself out of the seal and is using Zetsu mold as a 'body'. Madara said that Nagato's resurrection spell was supposed to be 'for him'. I think his real plan is to gather all the Bijju and use their power to rez himself out of the Death God and into a newer, immortal body that has the Juubi sealed in it for his Planetary Tsuykomi.

I think him going after Naruto as a baby is just the 'original phase' of the plan. He needed the Kyuubi, and the only way to get it was at that moment. It just didn't work out the way he planned, and now 16 years later he's back at it again.


Yeah, this definitely could make sense. I always felt that if the current Tobi/Madara was the one who fought the 4th that night, it was probably then that he lost most of his power, after already loosing some fighting the 1st (Assuming they are the same person). Otherwise I doubt he could have been a match for Minato who also had a space/time jutsu (Hirashin).

From the spoiler his removal of the Anbu guards outside and his reappearance inside the room where Kushian's giving birth makes it appear to be Tobi/Madara.

I think your theory is also a good possibility b/c IMO there is a potential connection between Shiki Fuujin and demensional space/time jutsu. It's just like opening a demension to the netherworld rather than somewhere else in the real world. This could also explain why the 4th created Shiki Fuujin and Hirashin, they're related techniques that use similar principles. I hope we see his use of them in the next chapter.:D

[ShadowFlame]

If so - then clearly Madara before the fight was a different beast than Madara after the fight. This goes in line with my theory (only a THEORY people!) that Minato used the Shikia Fuujin on Madara, leaving him severely weakened.


Yeah I was thinking about it and it does seem fit in. The 3rd also showed that clones can be used to seal souls too, but then the person still has to pay for his soul.


And what would be the best quickest most fatal thing to do to the legendary madara, then to seal his soul. Also it makes sense for the 4th to do it because he used it to seal kyubi's chakra, himself and his wife systematically into naruto.


What is bugging me the most is that if the ANBU were killed/ambushed and minato/kushina were sealed in naruto. What was stopping madara from succeeding in killing/taking the naruto (kyubi).


It must be that the 4th injured madara greatly, leaving him like a wisp of lordy voldermote ;)

[ur owned foo]

I wanted to know more backstory about how Kushina became the Kyuubi's host.

Also, how fucked up is it that Mikoto and Kushina were friends while Fugaku and the rest of her clan were planning a coup? Or maybe the coup never would have been planned if Minato had survived. Maybe he and Fugaku were friends as well. Hmm... something seems to be missing.

the coup happened after the uchiha found out that they were suspected of the nine-tails incident

[HappyClown]

If so - then clearly Madara before the fight was a different beast than Madara after the fight. This goes in line with my theory (only a THEORY people!) that Minato used the Shikia Fuujin on Madara, leaving him severely weakened. His teleportation ability probably factored into his survival somehow, but whatever happened left him bereft of a lot of his power.

From what the 4th said, the Ninja who attacked him saw thru everything he did. That to me implies, the 4th getting beat up. I doubt any jutsu was put on Madara.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/10/

As a whole, I don't believe anything Madara has said. It's a clean slate imho. Perhaps the Uchiha's even showed up to defend the 4th and Kushina from Madara during the attack. Maybe that's why he wanted to kill is clan.

[lionel messi]

imagine if the cliff hanger that kushina leaves is that sasuke has the other half of the kyuubi sealed within him but has realized it yet...

[Kyuubinoyoko]

imagine if the cliff hanger that kushina leaves is that sasuke has the other half of the kyuubi sealed within him but has realized it yet...


not plausible. at all.

why would sasuke have the one thing that makes Naruto and his entire clan unique among all other shinobi?

thats a little bit too much, and i dont think kishi wants to ruin his series by pulling an ass pull like that.

[laughing@you]

From what the 4th said, the Ninja who attacked him saw thru everything he did. That to me implies, the 4th getting beat up. I doubt any jutsu was put on Madara.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/10/

As a whole, I don't believe anything Madara has said. It's a clean slate imho. Perhaps the Uchiha's even showed up to defend the 4th and Kushina from Madara during the attack. Maybe that's why he wanted to kill is clan.

He wasn't getting beat up, madara just defended every move the 4th did. If he was getting beat up madara wouldn't had allowed the 4th to seal the kiuby.

Look at it this way the proper strategic plan would be to kill madara and seal the kiuby. With proper time he probably sealed the kiuby in himself. But because he couldn't kill madara, and the village was on the verge of getting destroyed, he was forced to act and summoned the death god.

Towards madara lying. Agreed. He twisted the truth. But this confirms that madara orchestrated the uchiha's demise. The uchiha didn't need to defend the 4th or kushina to gain madara's hatred, Madara has hated the uchiha since they betrayed him for 1st.
[hr]

I wanted to know more backstory about how Kushina became the Kyuubi's host.

Also, how fucked up is it that Mikoto and Kushina were friends while Fugaku and the rest of her clan were planning a coup? Or maybe the coup never would have been planned if Minato had survived. Maybe he and Fugaku were friends as well. Hmm... something seems to be missing.

The coup only happened because of this kiuby incident. Because konoha's higher up lacked the info of what happened. If everybody in that cave died except for naruto, only speculation of the events surge thru everybodies minds. That brought forth uchiha's demise.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Sandaime was there also.
[hr]
Oh wait, he wasn't was he?

So, if he wasn't, does this mean that Naruto was left there alone when he was just a newborn? WOW!

[toussaintac]

Sandaime was there also.
<hr noshade size="1">
Oh wait, he wasn't was he?

So, if he wasn't, does this mean that Naruto was left there alone when he was just a newborn? WOW!

And somehow Tobi still didn't take him? WWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sarutobi_sensei]

And somehow Tobi still didn't take him? WWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
... I meant, alone when Minato was fighting Madara and the Kyuubi...
[hr]

His mother was no more. The 3rds wife was probably dead as was the other anbu inside the room and the ones outside.

If the 3rd wasn't there then he didn't knew what had exactly happened.

Meh I dunno, it's all too messy right now.

[toussaintac]

... I meant, alone when Minato was fighting Madara and the Kyuubi...
<hr noshade size="1">

His mother was no more. The 3rds wife was probably dead as was the other anbu inside the room and the ones outside.

If the 3rd wasn't there then he didn't knew what had exactly happened.

Meh I dunno, it's all too messy right now.

Need the chapter so everything can be clear. i'm sure pieces are missing from spoilers.

[Kabi]

Need the chapter so everything can be clear. i'm sure pieces are missing from spoilers.

thats true so if everyone did die in the cave except for naruto and kishinas friend which was a uchiha and had a newborn this will give good reason why the elders wanted to take out those uchihas and suspected them of the even that took out the hokage.

[carcina]

from what i understood is that the anbu who took naruto was madara, and he told that he is taking him away so that he does not become human sacrifice, madara then knew of kushina chakra and he definitly knew secret of naruto so he didnt want him to become jinchuriki because he had potential to be perfect host and since he shares blood with senju it would pose problems, it seems to me that EMS controling kyubii isnt all that powerful if kyubii has a perfect host, or maybe i misunderstood spoiler

[sarutobi_sensei]

thats true so if everyone did die in the cave except for naruto and kishinas friend which was a uchiha and had a newborn this will give good reason why the elders wanted to take out those uchihas and suspected them of the even that took out the hokage.
Mikoto wasn't there. That was a mistranslation. On their way to that place they found Mikoto with Sasuke on the street.

Oh and it's interesting to learn that Hiruzen's father was called Sasuke, which, if put together gives Sarutobi Sasuke, an actual and famous and strong ninja.

[Kabi]

from what i understood is that the anbu who took naruto was madara, and he told that he is taking him away so that he does not become human sacrifice, madara then knew of kushina chakra and he definitly knew secret of naruto so he didnt want him to become jinchuriki because he had potential to be perfect host and since he shares blood with senju it would pose problems, it seems to me that EMS controling kyubii isnt all that powerful if kyubii has a perfect host, or maybe i misunderstood spoiler

i think your in the right track madara does want more power not for uchiha but for himself although since the recent chapter i think tobi is not really madara but someone else maybe his brother that people thought he died.
[hr]

Mikoto wasn't there. That was a mistranslation. On their way to that place they found Mikoto with Sasuke on the street.

Oh and it's interesting to learn that Hiruzen's father was called Sasuke, which, if put together gives Sarutobi Sasuke, an actual and famous and strong ninja.

thanks for that correction i just read the old spoilers only XD

[M3J]

I'm sure Tobi took Naruto as hostage to avoid being killed by Minato and to force the Kyuubi to come free. I don't think Naruto was designated as the host until after either Kyuubi was released or Kushina was about to die. Minato looks like he was there to prevent the seal from weakening and releasing the Kyuubi, which Madara screwed up. Naruto was most likely the reason for Minato letting Kyuubi free, which makes me think he knew even more than he let on.

Which makes me think Madara probably didn't plan on making Uchiha look bad; or, he accounted for that in case of failure. I wonder if Zetsu was already with Madara at the time or not, or if there was a traitor. Either makes sense.

[Kabi]

I'm sure Tobi took Naruto as hostage to avoid being killed by Minato and to force the Kyuubi to come free. I don't think Naruto was designated as the host until after either Kyuubi was released or Kushina was about to die. Minato looks like he was there to prevent the seal from weakening and releasing the Kyuubi, which Madara screwed up. Naruto was most likely the reason for Minato letting Kyuubi free, which makes me think he knew even more than he let on.

Which makes me think Madara probably didn't plan on making Uchiha look bad; or, he accounted for that in case of failure. I wonder if Zetsu was already with Madara at the time or not, or if there was a traitor. Either makes sense.

it's possible that zetsu could be with him at that time because we really don't know what village he comes from all we know he could be a hidden leaf ninja and remember that zetsu can copy people's chakra and image with his clone so maybe thats how madara entered and knew about this secret birth place for the hokage's son.

[Kinmagan Gil]

I'm thinking Kushina went into the full form to protect Minato. However, she was dealing with an Uchiha. Therefore, things just went downhill from there. Hm...

So Madara is like Voldemort. Freaking fantastic. I know how the story ends now. Sasuke is just Malfoy. Criminy.

[lionel messi]

man this chapter is gonna be great. sasuke showing up in the chapter i dont think serves any purpose really.perhaps only to show a friendly relationship between sasuke's mom and naruto's.or maybe sasuke was considered to be a container of the 9t?

[koibutt]

So the big question which is stronger? uzumaki clan or senju clan or uzu country? both senju and uzumaki come from uzushio, I think uzumaki way stronger, both same uzu ^^. Who leads in those clan? Master slave system? Maybe Kabuto know sth?
Second Uchiha from which country? maybe uzu country? hmm.. maybe sage last name uzu something?

[Finale]

Haven't seen any pictures yet. But the 2 ANBU getting taken out may solve the small mystery of what happened to Minato's team mates.

[SenninSage]

Madara seeing through everything the Fourth tried, could also just as easily mean that he wasn't necessarily beat up by Madara, but that there was no easy or simple solution in dealing with such a person. It's more likely that the fourth didn't get beat up, but was simply unable to make quick work of someone like Madara because he can literally see everything coming. Then when you factor in those weird abilities of his, that further makes dealing with Madara more troublesome.

Perhaps the Fourth did accomplish something with the Shikki Fuujin, but didn't feel entirely satisfied because it came at the cost of his own life, and perhaps also his wife's as well, and the person who instigated the incident is still very much at large.

[xaither]

So the big question which is stronger? uzumaki clan or senju clan or uzu country? both senju and uzumaki come from uzushio, I think uzumaki way stronger, both same uzu ^^. Who leads in those clan? Master slave system? Maybe Kabuto know sth?
Second Uchiha from which country? maybe uzu country? hmm.. maybe sage last name uzu something?

i think what i got from the spoiler is that the uzumaki clan are senju's just seperated and with different name. they are blood related, meaning they are the same, idk that what i got.

If someone like to explain it go ahead. i am confuse

[Zan2pacto]

Madara seeing through everything the Fourth tried, could also just as easily mean that he wasn't necessarily beat up by Madara, but that there was no easy or simple solution in dealing with such a person. It's more likely that the fourth didn't get beat up, but was simply unable to make quick work of someone like Madara because he can literally see everything coming. Then when you factor in those weird abilities of his, that further makes dealing with Madara more troublesome.

Perhaps the Fourth did accomplish something with the Shikki Fuujin, but didn't feel entirely satisfied because it came at the cost of his own life, and perhaps also his wife's as well, and the person who instigated the incident is still very much at large.

hmm - maybe madara took the kyuubi into himself, and minato sealed madara's body with half the kyuubi? maybe madara doesn't actually have a "body" now hence why he is all space-time-justu-ey.

[biggchiefmo]

wow so naruto has some degree of relation to the first hokage, seems the uzumaki clan are distant relatives of the senju and in some cases become more closely related through marriage.

so naruto is exactly like rikudo sennin, except he doesnt have the powerful eyes, but the strong life force, body, powerful chakras, spiritual energy, and physical energy are there! knowing what we know now, naruto has the power to tame tailed beast like the first hokage!

if i understood correctly the uzu country is no more. but there must be a survivor somewhere, i think naruto needs to seek out this survivor for some much needed lessons in sealing jutsu's! one he receives this training he'll be the perfect weapon against the other remaining bijuu!

[Rosebunse]

I think we should wait for this chapter to come out. I mean, we are the fan group most likely to call death for the writer whenever a new spoiler comes out, then when it does, proclaim that he is a genius. And too, everyone was in on the not telling Naruto who he was thing. Everyone. More than just a few people knoew, they just didn't tell anyone. Mikoto, for all we know, did help with something-cue mass teams of fanon writers. I actually like it so far.

[blaise]

wow so naruto has some degree of relation to the first hokage, seems the uzumaki clan are distant relatives of the senju and in some cases become more closely related through marriage.

so naruto is exactly like rikudo sennin, except he doesnt have the powerful eyes, but the strong life force, body, powerful chakras, spiritual energy, and physical energy are there! knowing what we know now, naruto has the power to tame tailed beast like the first hokage!

if i understood correctly the uzu country is no more. but there must be a survivor somewhere, i think naruto needs to seek out this survivor for some much needed lessons in sealing jutsu's! one he receives this training he'll be the perfect weapon against the other remaining bijuu!

Agreed. If this is is the case (which it apparently is) it would explain why naruto is gifted with his sage mode. He's got the the life force and longevity of the senju. There's no telling what an uzu wielding the powers of the kyuubi as well as those of a sage is capable of.

[dragonballz66]

Maybe Naruto have a natural sealing ability. Didn't he sealed the 9tail after he got it's chakra?

[laughing@you]

I'm sure Tobi took Naruto as hostage to avoid being killed by Minato and to force the Kyuubi to come free. I don't think Naruto was designated as the host until after either Kyuubi was released or Kushina was about to die. Minato looks like he was there to prevent the seal from weakening and releasing the Kyuubi, which Madara screwed up. Naruto was most likely the reason for Minato letting Kyuubi free, which makes me think he knew even more than he let on.

Which makes me think Madara probably didn't plan on making Uchiha look bad; or, he accounted for that in case of failure. I wonder if Zetsu was already with Madara at the time or not, or if there was a traitor. Either makes sense.

He was counting on konaha getting destroyed with the uchiha in it. So even if he didn't plan on the uchiha looking bad, he planned for their destruction, even if it took 9 or 10 years later!!

[Curryman]

As far as everyone talking about the traitor that let Madara carry out his plans/sneak in the village. I can't think of anyone better than Danzou.

One thing I want to know is if Madara had the long hair or short hair look when this happened or what he looked like in general. It might help with the whole identity thing.

[kakashifan009]

some of this seems like jumping the guns until the actual chapter is posted. I'm surprised bleach is up before it. Personally I feel disappointed about the spoilers, they are too predictable in the sense that of course freaking sasuke is there and his mom and naruto's were friends. Although, that raises the question as to why she didn't take Naruto in. If my best friend had a kid then died I'd happily take his kid in if needed.

[Kyuubinoyoko]

some of this seems like jumping the guns until the actual chapter is posted. I'm surprised bleach is up before it. Personally I feel disappointed about the spoilers, they are too predictable in the sense that of course freaking sasuke is there and his mom and naruto's were friends. Although, that raises the question as to why she didn't take Naruto in. If my best friend had a kid then died I'd happily take his kid in if needed.

Damn good point. Can you imagine. Naruto being raised as an Uchiha brother to Sasuke an Itachi. lol. But would he have survived the maasacre with sasuke?

[THM Nindo]

some of this seems like jumping the guns until the actual chapter is posted. I'm surprised bleach is up before it. Personally I feel disappointed about the spoilers, they are too predictable in the sense that of course freaking sasuke is there and his mom and naruto's were friends. Although, that raises the question as to why she didn't take Naruto in. If my best friend had a kid then died I'd happily take his kid in if needed.

Blame Fugaku!
I'm sure Mikoto wanted to take Naruto in, but Fugaku didn't want to.

And we don't know, Naruto did have someone until he could actually care for himself (3-4 years in the ninja world), so maybe it was Mikoto, but Naruto doesn't remember.

[ParallaxDragon]

I remember there was a theory made by someone that Itachi gave him powers to seal the Sharingan. Knowing more about how Naruto's kekkei genkai might be related to sealing jutsus, I would not be surprised if Itachi gave him information or some power to seal the eyes of the Sharingan (its possible that maybe if Naruto did seal Sasuke's eyes, he would be blind which is something Itachi does not want since he did say he hoped Naruto would never have to use it).

Also sometimes I really wonder how far does Kishi plan these things like Land of Whirlpools? Spiral on Konoha's Ninja suits are actually a representation of their relations with Land of Whirlpools?

It also seems like that mangastream is slow today so probably no chapter?

[Rosebunse]

Wait, what if Mikoto was like, the only person who survived the whole thing? Wouldn't that look weird for everyone save a high-ranking Uchiha to be dead? This may explain a few things...

[lionel messi]

some of this seems like jumping the guns until the actual chapter is posted. I'm surprised bleach is up before it. Personally I feel disappointed about the spoilers, they are too predictable in the sense that of course freaking sasuke is there and his mom and naruto's were friends. Although, that raises the question as to why she didn't take Naruto in. If my best friend had a kid then died I'd happily take his kid in if needed.

thats a very interesting thing to note.the only thing is did she know kushina die. im not sure but u have a really good point.maybe, just maybe, she never got to see naruto looked like when he was born so she didnt know who to look for.this is ofcourse a little unlike cuz according to the spoilers she was available at the place where naruto was being given birth too

[kakashifan009]

Blame Fugaku!
I'm sure Mikoto wanted to take Naruto in, but Fugaku didn't want to.

And we don't know, Naruto did have someone until he could actually care for himself (3-4 years in the ninja world), so maybe it was Mikoto, but Naruto doesn't remember.

maybe, that or perhaps it was a combined effort of several different people checking up on Naruto, like Mikoto, the third, and whoever else. Hard to guess that though without knowing who was still alive at that time and around.

[xaither]

I remember there was a theory made by someone that Itachi gave him powers to seal the Sharingan. Knowing more about how Naruto's kekkei genkai might be related to sealing jutsus, I would not be surprised if Itachi gave him information or some power to seal the eyes of the Sharingan (its possible that maybe if Naruto did seal Sasuke's eyes, he would be blind which is something Itachi does not want since he did say he hoped Naruto would never have to use it).

Also sometimes I really wonder how far does Kishi plan these things like Land of Whirlpools? Spiral on Konoha's Ninja suits are actually a representation of their relations with Land of Whirlpools?

It also seems like that mangastream is slow today so probably no chapter?

Itachi would need to have information on naruto to know something like that, which i doubt.

there is a manga today, mangastream said they would post it, it just that they are on low staff so its delayed

[insid3rkill3r]

For those starving to see the chapter, we still have to wait about 2 hours,

http://www.mangastream.com/


But yeah anyways, Madara is a freaking asshole, and he knows just too much. Seriously, he knows everything, he can only be Madara or some1 that really is old as fuck.

Im also starving to see if he has short or long hair. That would say a lot on his identity, since the Itachi that met Madara before the massacre had long hair, so this one should have long hair as well unless he can switch bodies left and right.

[southside]

So is stealing the baby what made the nine tails come out? Also I'm sure we will get a cover story that the 4th's son was killed in the attack unless they want everyone in the leaf to look like a bunch of a**holes

[Nicholas.Sama]

Here's an odd thing:
Fugaku, prior to the nine tails accident, had enough respect for the Hokage and his family to name his son after them.
Negotiations with Hiruzen probably would have been successful.

[Curryman]

some of this seems like jumping the guns until the actual chapter is posted. I'm surprised bleach is up before it. Personally I feel disappointed about the spoilers, they are too predictable in the sense that of course freaking sasuke is there and his mom and naruto's were friends. Although, that raises the question as to why she didn't take Naruto in. If my best friend had a kid then died I'd happily take his kid in if needed.

I think you went against your own point there about jumping the gun. LOL:amuse

I don't think it's confirmed that they were BEST Friends. For all we know they just walked past each other and acknowledged each other since Sasuke was a newborn and Kushina was about to give birth and they had common ground and shared a simple conversation that was it.

Random Thought: I'm going to laugh so hard if Fugaku ends up being Tobi/Madara. That would suck so bad. Before the flaming starts I don't support it and I know Sasuke already saw his dead body and all.:)

[Shadoguardian]

I wonder, with all those 10's surrounding Naruto's birthday (10 months preg, born 10/10), maybe Naruto will end up with the 10-tails! Weak connection, I know, but worth thinking about.

[Rosebunse]

Here's an odd thing:
Fugaku, prior to the nine tails accident, had enough respect for the Hokage and his family to name his son after them.
Negotiations with Hiruzen probably would have been successful.

But like I said! If Mikoto was there, was the only one who lived, wouldn't that make people-some of whom may not have liked the Uchiha in the first place-suspsious? Why did everyone else die-including the damned Hokage-but not some chick who was holding a baby for the entire time? Really think about that! This rather large misunderstanding could've caused the whole thing just becuase some poor woman was at the wrong place at the wrong time.:s

[DARK]

Here's an odd thing:
Fugaku, prior to the nine tails accident, had enough respect for the Hokage and his family to name his son after them.
Negotiations with Hiruzen probably would have been successful.

I believe, at this point, the relationship between the Uchiha and the rest of Konoha was improving from where it had been. It was only because of this incident that heavy accusations were thrown against the Uchiha, blaming the entire clan for one man's doing, and prompted them to take their actions.

[lionel messi]

this is the first time that as far as i know that we've had to wait for a naruto chapter this long.
back to topic

wait how can tobi/madara be fugaku? when madara met itachi at first, fugaku was still alive and tobi/madara had the same appearance as he does now( except for the change of clothing, slightly different mask). so i dont see a reason how tobi/madara could have been impersonating itachi's dad at the same time or how fugaku could have end up being madara in the first place

[Shiro-kun]

Ten Months pregnant?

holy crap ..Naruto was way over due

[Rosebunse]

Ten Months pregnant?

holy crap ..Naruto was way over due

Actually, though most agree that 9 months is the right time, some people do believe that a woman is pregnant for 10. Different ways of counting.

[DARK]

Ten Months pregnant?

holy crap ..Naruto was way over due

Naruto was born on October 10th (10/10), so it's absolutely no coincidence at all.

[Naruto_Rasengan]

Ten Months pregnant?

holy crap ..Naruto was way over due

Actually 10months is full term. :tem

I think people are jumping the gun a bit. We don't even have the chapter yet. There are far too many unknown factors from the night.

[llamapie]

Actually 10months is full term. :tem

I think people are jumping the gun a bit. We don't even have the chapter yet. There are far too many unknown factors from the night.

>,> I'm working on my 2nd kid here and I'm pretty sure humans full term is 9 months.

[Xiraiya]

So it seems like the Uzumaki are a Branch family of the Senju, think of it like the hyuuga's Main/branch family.

Interesting, at least we know Naruto is a descendant of the Senju atleast. I had to laugh at Madara needing to take Naruto hostage to get Kyuubi, What? He can't take on Minato?

The whole birth makes me think a Queen is having a child, and so the Prince of the land is born, all the clans seem... lesser next to Naruto now.

[kthy0056]

Maybe Hashirama's wife (the first Kyuubi host) is Naruto's grandmother or something like that? That would be cool and funny (because everyone thought that Minato was most likely to be a Senju).

[pimp naruto kun]

I work as a research student at a childrens hospital in the neonatal unit and a full term is from 37 to 41 weeks which is around nine or ten months so it really doesn't matter but anyway this chapter seems like it will be good so far I just hope it is a little longer than usual because I want to atleast get a decent amount of info this weekbecause I have a feeling this fortunately for me at least is going to be a long flashback/explanation

[M3J]

Please stop agonizing about the chapter not being released yet. It won't help, and it's not really needed. Wait like the rest of us. Otherwise, I don't mind the topic being locked until the chapter comes out, which should shortly.

[DARK]

Maybe Hashirama's wife (the first Kyuubi host) is Naruto's grandmother or something like that? That would be cool and funny (because everyone thought that Minato was most likely to be a Senju).

Again, just because Hashirama's wife is from the Uzumaki Clan does not mean that Kushina is their daughter. Naruto is way too young to be their grandson anyway, considering how old Tsunade is and that Hashirama passed away a long time ago.
Kushina only came to pass because she was selected as the next host after Mido (Hashirama's wife) died.
It only means that the Uzumaki Clan has a connection to the Senju, and this could explain the source behind Naruto's particularly powerful "will of fire."

[Naruto_Rasengan]

>,> I'm working on my 2nd kid here and I'm pretty sure humans full term is 9 months.

The reason for most considering it to be 10 months is because they count 4 weeks in a month, when it's actually a little more. It's because of the Lunar calender. There are other methods but none of them are exactly accurate. Most doctors add 7 days to 9 months to get your due date apparently.

It's not wrong. It is different for every woman, for each child and the method and calender that is used to calculate it. To be pregnant for 10 months is not unusual.

Congratulations by the way! :tem


I work as a research student at a childrens hospital in the neonatal unit and a full term is from 37 to 41 weeks which is around nine or ten months so it really doesn't matter but anyway this chapter seems like it will be good so far I just hope it is a little longer than usual because I want to atleast get a decent amount of info this weekbecause I have a feeling this fortunately for me at least is going to be a long flashback/explanation

Thanks for clearing that up! :)

---

Anyway from mangastream - " Our Naruto translator got stuck helping a parade of grandmother's across the street. You can expect the chap in about 150 minutes. about 1 hour ago via web "

[hawaplop]

maybe, that or perhaps it was a combined effort of several different people checking up on Naruto, like Mikoto, the third, and whoever else. Hard to guess that though without knowing who was still alive at that time and around.

Sasuke already was a little bitch about not getting enough attention.
Imagine if Naruto was there too?
Maybe he would've killed his dad before any type of rebellion started.
He could've been a hero.
[hr]

But like I said! If Mikoto was there, was the only one who lived, wouldn't that make people-some of whom may not have liked the Uchiha in the first place-suspsious? Why did everyone else die-including the damned Hokage-but not some chick who was holding a baby for the entire time? Really think about that! This rather large misunderstanding could've caused the whole thing just becuase some poor woman was at the wrong place at the wrong time.:s

doesnt say she was in the room...she just walked by kushina

[donyusufahmed]

Why the hell would you seal a tailed beast in your loved one, when you know full well that sooner or later, its going to kill them. Bbut in this case, the kyuubi of all things. The only thing that rivals the uchiha in hate power lol.

Sasuke and Naruto's mother knew each other predictable. Baby sasuke was there during naruto birth. So the little chump might have even seen the kyuubi way back then even as a child.

Just like our protagonists, do the tailed beasts also have the ability to increase their strength?

[hawaplop]

Again, just because Hashirama's wife is from the Uzumaki Clan does not mean that Kushina is their daughter. Naruto is way too young to be their grandson anyway, considering how old Tsunade is and that Hashirama passed away a long time ago.
Kushina only came to pass because she was selected as the next host after Mido (Hashirama's wife) died.
It only means that the Uzumaki Clan has a connection to the Senju, and this could explain the source behind Naruto's particularly powerful "will of fire."

hell yea he is too young...tsunade is their granddaughter...
Naruto would be like their great great grandchild.

[kthy0056]

Again, just because Hashirama's wife is from the Uzumaki Clan does not mean that Kushina is their daughter. Naruto is way too young to be their grandson anyway, considering how old Tsunade is and that Hashirama passed away a long time ago.
Or it could be his grand-mother. It's called assumptions, theories, not facts. I said "maybe".
Also, about the age, I'm not sure that it might pose such a problem. Sarutobi was 70 years old when he died, he was a teenager when the 1st and 2nd were alive, and he has a nephew that's smaller than Naruto. So it may work.

But I see another problem with my hypothesis. Tsunade and her brother were presumably grandkids of Hashirama. That would make the Uchiha-related too, right? Unless Shodaime had more wives than just 1 :amuse

EDIT: Can someone explain me how the friendship between Sasuke and Naruto's mother was predictable? I never predicted it, nor I ever read anyone doing it. What any kind of clue was given in the manga that said they knew each-other?

Also, I wonder why people aren't doing LQ scans anymore. You know, just with some good translation, but with all the noise remaining, so the inpatient could read it.

[Krato]

its out!

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/87110441/2

[BeMyFish]

Or it could be his grand-mother. It's called assumptions, theories, not facts. I said "maybe".
Also, about the age, I'm not sure that it might pose such a problem. Sarutobi was 70 years old when he died, he was a teenager when the 1st and 2nd were alive, and he has a nephew that's smaller than Naruto. So it may work.

But I see another problem with my hypothesis. Tsunade and her brother were presumably grandkids of Hashirama. That would make the Uchiha-related too, right? Unless Shodaime had more wives than just 1 :amuse

EDIT: Can someone explain me how the friendship between Sasuke and Naruto's mother was predictable? I never predicted it, nor I ever read anyone doing it. What any kind of clue was given in the manga that said they knew each-other?

Also, I wonder why people aren't doing LQ scans anymore. You know, just with some good translation, but with all the noise remaining, so the inpatient could read it.


sarutobi was 70 years old?? GOODDDAMNNN haha and he was still a badass against Oro,and the hokages. Wow i wonder how he was in his prime years

[BeMyFish]

this chapter wasn't worth the wait.

its explains more from his clan and his history
but pretty boring.

[weehoo107]

Screw you, Uchiha Madara..... screw you.

[Disastorm]

Anyone think its interesting that Sasuke was named after the 3rd's father? I wonder who this guy was? Imagine if the 3rd was part Uchiha, that would mean Konohamaru is part uchiha, imagine him with a sharingan lol.

[Rosebunse]

It's short, shows the beauty-some of you guys will feel like throwing up after reading-of child birth, and Sasuke is there for one less than a second. Enjoy while I thank God for not wanting kids and for morphine.

[danzouismadara]

Prediction! we willl see wats under the mask I think minato will knock his mask of for a second. lol

ONce again ANBU are totally useless llol

My question! HOW the hell did madara know the secret location???

[Googlez_kun]

Awwww Naruto:wtf

And is it just me or does Kishimoto give a lot of credit to women in this chapter?

[One Eyed Sharingan]

can't frikken wait for next chapter, 4th vs Tobi

[weehoo107]

Hahaha, even Naruto's mom is telling him not to cry. :p

[Rosebunse]

Prediction! we willl see wats under the mask I think minato will knock his mask of for a second. lol

ONce again ANBU are totally useless llol

My question! HOW the hell did madara know the secret location???

Because ANBU was everywhere and there's a cave there?

[Janie_P]

I liked the chapter, but I guess I was expecting too much - then again, its the big 500, so, yeah.
Is it just me or did Shounen Jump/Kishi somehow ignore that it's Nr 500? It all seemed so... normal... to me. No celebrating and stuff!

I guess 501 will be what I wanted 500 to show me, Minato kicking Madara's sorry ass for being such a bastard.
And yes, I think too, we're gonna see his face for a second! xD
Oh, and Baby Sasuke is cute! I knew Kishi couldn't refrain from saying he was named after Sasuke Sarutobi (famous ninja and so, he was inspired by him when he created Sasuke)

[Rosebunse]

Awwww Naruto:wtf

And is it just me or does Kishimoto give a lot of credit to women in this chapter?

Yes, woman are that ugly in child birth. Screw whoever says it's beautiful! It's not! The crap women do their whole lives up to it isn't fun and hurts like hell. I'd say Kishi did a good job with it. And now I shall thank God for drugs. But really, Tobi/Madara is badass. I know he kidnapped a baby, but geez...

[cloud strife]

so, it seem that naruto were born with the fox thing on his cheek..

[DARK]

And is it just me or does Kishimoto give a lot of credit to women in this chapter?

Just from this alone (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/87110441/13), I believe the disputes of Kishimoto being sexist are completely thrown out the window...

[tahirkhan]

So thanks god sauske wasn't there.... just was an accidental meeting with sauske's mother.... chapter is really good...

And the whiskers are there....

[toussaintac]

OMG. Nice chapter. Good info. Now, I really think this guy isn't Madara. He wanted to kill Naruto. He never wanted Naruto, he wanted the Kyuubi. However, this guy must really be weak if he went in thee and had to threaten Naruto's life if he wanted the Kyuubi. Why didn't he start with other bijuu anyways?

[Googlez_kun]

Just from this alone (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/87110441/13), I believe the disputes of Kishimoto being sexist are completely thrown out the window...

Yeah,and he introduced Hiruzen's and Hashirama's wife's and revealed that the Kyuubi's first Jinchuuriki was a strong kunoichi.

[ceasar]

Madara wow to be the super uchiha he is pretty cowardly taking a baby hostage. I am changing my pic because of this cowardly act greatest uchiha my butt. Minato better defeat that clown or at least give us a show. And if I see the anbu fail one more time I will just skip every section they get mentioned in.

[weehoo107]

OMG. Nice chapter. Good info. Now, I really think this guy isn't Madara. He wanted to kill Naruto. He never wanted Naruto, he wanted the Kyuubi. However, this guy must really be weak if he went in thee and had to threaten Naruto's life if he wanted the Kyuubi. Why didn't he start with other bijuu anyways?


He is trying to get to Kyuubi. Just through threatening Naruto's life. As for him not being Madara, does this look familiar to you?

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/87110441/15

Bottom left-hand corner.

Awesome chapter. :hurr

[elcongo]

i think its a lil strange that " a woman is going outside with her new born baby, all by herself," and coincidently she meet up with Kushina... something is strange ..but thats just me.

[Rosebunse]

I never really thought Kishi was sexist. Sure, there's Sakura, but even she has her good days. And most of the time, I've never really seen a really weak woman in the manga. But I think the guy has a respect for moms. Read some of his interviews and how he writes mothers in the manga.

[Arrogance]

Just read the chapter and I've got to say it was good. I was happy to get an explanation for the symbol on Naruto's back, I had always thought it was jut a design but its cool to see that it actually holds meaning. So in the end Naruto's birth was actually the event which lead up to Madara gaining control of the fox. It was funny to see Kushina and Sasuke's mother talking carelessly without having any idea of how massive of a relationship their children would have with one another :XD. To end it all, Madara took captive baby Naruto to threaten his parents...that sick bastard! :yelling

Overall this chapter itself was good but not OUTSTANDING, yet it in the end it is a story we all need to hear to get a grasp on the whole picture. I hope when the flashback ends that something really epic will happen or Naruto will gain some important information that sets the tone for things to come.

[toussaintac]

Madara wow to be the super uchiha he is pretty cowardly taking a baby hostage. I am changing my pic because of this cowardly act greatest uchiha my butt. Minato better defeat that clown or at least give us a show. And if I see the anbu fail one more time I will just skip every section they get mentioned in.

You know, it makes you wonder. Kishi makes most Jounin look like fodder. Why ANBU? ANBU should AT LEAST put up a decent fight. Same ANBU that has Kakashi, Itachi, and Yamato. I mean come on. At least we saw Fu and Torune get it in against Tobi.

[Rosebunse]

i think its a lil strange that " a woman is going outside with her new born baby, all by herself," and coincidently she meet up with Kushina... something is strange ..but thats just me.


But, women do do that kinda stuff. They like showing off newborns. I mean, I know there might be something else going on, but most woman do go out just for the sole purpose of showing a cute, adorable newborn off. It's what they do.

[Aidenn]

OMG. Nice chapter. Good info. Now, I really think this guy isn't Madara. He wanted to kill Naruto. He never wanted Naruto, he wanted the Kyuubi. However, this guy must really be weak if he went in thee and had to threaten Naruto's life if he wanted the Kyuubi. Why didn't he start with other bijuu anyways?

This had nothing to do with the "moon's eye plan." This was just Tobi/Madara getting some revenge on both the Uchiha for abandoning him (with Konoha knowing only a sharingan user could manipulate the Kyuubi, therefore suspecting the Uchiha clan as the culprit) and also against Konoha by killing countless lives with a Kyuubi attack on the village.

[Professor]

I can't wait for naruto to kick this guys ass for taking him hostage after just being born no less than minute.

[Hojinmaru]

Chapter is up

[kthy0056]

Anyone think its interesting that Sasuke was named after the 3rd's father? I wonder who this guy was? Imagine if the 3rd was part Uchiha, that would mean Konohamaru is part uchiha, imagine him with a sharingan lol.

There's a real life Sarutobi Sasuke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarutobi_Sasuke :D
He was probably inspired by that.

[Freid]

its weird how kishi stil made baby sasuke actually look like sasuke. i assumed it would just be a normal baby with black hair. and as some have already pointed out, naruto has the whiskers from birth so out the window with the theories stating that it is a feature from having the fox sealed in him at birth.

this chapter also shuts up everyone saying b.s like kushina being a jinchuriki is a plot hole. seriously, people should learn to wait for a chapter rather than jump to conclusion over one line

[panasit]

For once a real flashback, not a picture-book like tell all story like what Naruto used to doing lately.

What puzzle me is, with all this happening, and the nine-tail eventually went berserk, how can someone like Jiraiya only suspect that Madara was involved. He's definitely involve, unless someone behind the mask isn't Madara, but Sasuke's father.

[The Closet Pervert]

Baby hostage taking cowardly? You guys forget that there are absolutely no rules in war. Todays society seems to have some kind of delusion that there are rules to war. There aren't.

I really liked this chapter. Really, really liked it. A lot of good info and I really liked Kishis touch/view/writing on the Minato/Kushina/Childbirth thing.

[toussaintac]

He is trying to get to Kyuubi. Just through threatening Naruto's life. As for him not being Madara, does this look familiar to you?

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/87110441/15

Bottom left-hand corner.

Awesome chapter. :hurr

I know he's trying to get to Kyuubi. I just said that. Anyways, I wonder why he didn't try and get other bijuu first.

As for the pic, it reminds me more of Oro or Kabuto than anybody else, the way he owned everyone and walked in all badass. I just don't think it's Madara. If you mean the mask, then I guess. But you can't say it's Madara because of the mask, you could say it's Tobi.

[Black God]

its weird how kishi stil made baby sasuke actually look like sasuke. i assumed it would just be a normal baby with black hair. and as some have already pointed out, naruto has the whiskers from birth so out the window with the theories stating that it is a feature from having the fox sealed in him at birth.

this chapter also shuts up everyone saying b.s like kushina being a jinchuriki is a plot hole. seriously, people should learn to wait for a chapter rather than jump to conclusion over one line

I didn't see the resemblance and if it weren't for the whiskers on baby naruto i wouldn't put two and two together.

[lawlord]

its weird how kishi stil made baby sasuke actually look like sasuke. i assumed it would just be a normal baby with black hair. and as some have already pointed out, naruto has the whiskers from birth so out the window with the theories stating that it is a feature from having the fox sealed in him at birth.

this chapter also shuts up everyone saying b.s like kushina being a jinchuriki is a plot hole. seriously, people should learn to wait for a chapter rather than jump to conclusion over one line

ya I thought it was pretty well explained.

Wow at Madara. He seems very threatening.

this was a pretty awesome chapter. For a flashback, pretty entertaining.

[Rosebunse]

They are rules in war, they always were and even today.



Yeah....

Um, the guys a villian? He's suppose to take baby's hostage.

[elcongo]

the one behind the mask is..............
..........MIkoTO!!!!! Tan tan tan.......
I think, that tobi is, ...more the one person, the change of actions and personality is pretty different from the present tobi,the Deidera tobi, and this tobi...but thats just me..

[NewNaruto]

Just read the new chapter. Oh, snap! Next chapter we will find out who madara really is. duhn duhn duhn!!!!