Naruto's new form

[niblack89]

Me, like you were cough off guard by Naruto's new transformation. He looks like the Rikudō Sennin. He has the horns and the Magatama.http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l325/niblack89/13.png?t=1276893724

Sasuke has the eyes of the Sennin and now it loos like Naruto processes the body of the Sennin.
I like this new form it's different from Bee's which we all though it would look like because every time Naruto uses the kyuubi that's what it looks like.

Bee said it was a high quality seal so this could be the results of the difference between the seals, Naruto's seal is probably the best sealing method. This seal could be the closest seal or the same seal Rikudō Sennin used.

What do you guys think

[ashher]

Well i've been writing this any place i could find...so here i go again. First of all let us remember what madara said that is beast sealing techs are handed down right from rikudo, though they must've have evolved and got distorted. I am guessing that the seals on rikudo's body contained the powers of his body. Minato was trying reinvent that seal and thereby unlock the powers of rikudo's body, the inheritance that was handed down through the younger son to the senjus. (on a side not here senjus weren't bloodrelated. So perhaps what defines a senju is the inhesitance of will of fire.) this is the incomplete 'that jutsu'. Probably minato reached a level where everything was perfect but what lacked was a great chakra that could achieve what rikudo's chakra could.(remember that it was the elder brother who inherited rikudo's chakra which is probably the reason of the terrible chakra of ems) This is where kyuubi comes. Now that naruto has added that chakra to his already 'special' chakra+his will of fire, he completed or nearly completed that jutsu and so the horns and neckless seals appeared on his body, thereby indicating that he has gained or is gonna gain the power of rikudo's body. I am assuming here that sealing juubi did not have any evolving effect rikudo's power of body (but it might have started the evolution of eyes adding ems to his rinnegan that's why the eyes of the elder brother looks like a mix of them, who inherited the eyes of rikudo). That's why the point of sealing kyuubi and not juubi is irrelevant here. What mattered was gaining an in humanly strong and large amount of chakra and use it with the seal that minato prepared, and kyuubi was enough for the job.

[niblack89]

Excellent theory if I'm reading it correctly. The seal when given the chakra of the kyuubi will activate to a new seal that would change Naruto into the same form the sage possessed.

[NAM61]

wonder how minato came up with the seal. did he finds something left behind by RS for the senju like he left the tablet for the uchihas. naruto looks like RS with the new seal and the kyuubi noticed it.

[niblack89]

The Rikudō Sennin left behind the tablet to the secrets of where he put the juubi and the origins of the bijus. Maybe he left something for his younger son who he gave his legacy to.

[DEATHBOTT]

wasnt there a theory that the rikudo sennin's neklace was one of the legendary items like yata's mirror and the sword of totsuka? maybe this form will give naruto the power to fight the legendary weapons. it would be cool if sasuke also got a form like this with his sussonoo armor or something after he awakens his ems.

[niblack89]

wasnt there a theory that the rikudo sennin's neklace was one of the legendary items like yata's mirror and the sword of totsuka? maybe this form will give naruto the power to fight the legendary weapons. it would be cool if sasuke also got a form like this with his sussonoo armor or something after he awakens his ems.

I was thinking the staff was

[Naruto2011]

what i want to know is what color is naruto when in this state. is he blue? i think it would be cool if he was orange with his blue eyes still

[THM Nindo]

It was nice, but I think it's a one-time thing...
It's not like he would transform into that at will...

When he will use the Kyubbi, he will transform in the same 3-way that any other jinchuriki.

We might see that "form" again, if Naruto start sealing every Bijuu inside him.

[Destined_One]

It was nice, but I think it's a one-time thing...
It's not like he would transform into that at will...

When he will use the Kyubbi, he will transform in the same 3-way that any other jinchuriki.

We might see that "form" again, if Naruto start sealing every Bijuu inside him.

I think if he goes into a certain mode, then he might transform, however if there is some sort of base Kyuubi mode, which Naruto uses often, then I doubt the transformation will be drastic. The main reason, why Naruto's Sage Mode transformation, is just his eyes, is because it's easier to draw. Its the same reason the cloak was removed. Remember when Kishimoto draws Mass KB, having 100 Naruto's with warts, webbed feet, large noses and a cloak, would take him forever, and likely reduce it's quality. It is also likely why Kishimoto developed the whole "I cant create more than three clones while my clones gather energy" excuse. Is it a coincidence that the moment the cloak was destroyed, Naruto started using Mass KB again? If anything it might just be Kyuubi/Sage eyes.

Also, its actually rather common for the main character in most battle manga's to have a simple design. Especially those released weekly. Goku? Ichigo? Luffy? it just makes it easier to draw fight sequences over and over again. It is probably why villains always look cooler, because they are usually only drawn in one or two battles.

[niblack89]

It was nice, but I think it's a one-time thing...
It's not like he would transform into that at will...

When he will use the Kyubbi, he will transform in the same 3-way that any other jinchuriki.

We might see that "form" again, if Naruto start sealing every Bijuu inside him.

Naw what would be the point in showing this form if he were to never use it again also it seems simpler to draw than the other cloak from and a lot cooler.


what i want to know is what color is naruto when in this state. is he blue? i think it would be cool if he was orange with his blue eyes still

Me and my brother debated on it actually we made a bet he said orange or red like the normal color of the cloak form I said it would be better white.

[Naruto2011]

Naw what would be the point in showing this form if he were to never use it again also it seems simpler to draw than the other cloak from and a lot cooler.



Me and my brother debated on it actually we made a bet he said orange or red like the normal color of the cloak form I said it would be better white.

hmm i never thought about it being white, that would also be cool. the seals should be maybe a reddish color

[ninjabot]

I don't think that this form confirms that Naruto is a Senju. I mean, my reasoning is that the Kyuubi is the largest amount of the Juubi's split chakra, and the Juubi was a part of Rikudou once he became the first Jinchuuriki. Inorder to keep the largest amount of chakra somewhat stable, he may have sealed a portion of himself within the Kyuubi inorder to have some sort of dampening effect on it, to let another human being be able to hold it?

Just a theory ofcourse.

[Kyuubinoyoko]

i think it absolutely confirms that hes senju. haters hate.

ughhmmm. naruto is the man. get over it. this new form will pawn.

[GomuGomu_Getsuga]

I hope that this new form is a type of Senjutsu that Naruto must master. Now all he needs is one more Senjutsu and he'll be even with Sasuke's Dojutsu.

[DEATHBOTT]

i just thought of a theory. what if naruto isnt a descendent of the rikudo sennin but a reincarnation like nagato. or opposite to nagato. naruto is the reincarnation of the rs body while nagato was the reincarnation of his spirit and eyes.
so it would be reincarnation(naruto with the rs body) vs descendent(sasuke with the rs spirit and eyes).

[Hojinmaru]

Where did Minato come up with this sealing jutsu, where else, the Leaf Villages most precious item other then the villagers and shinobi themselves, the scroll of "sealing" http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/1/23/ Since we know that he village was founded by the Senju and the Uchiha, it's safe to say that the sealing jutsu is the same one use by the RS or a very close copy.

The pattern on his body seemed to be an extension of the key text from the scroll rolled out all over his body, perhaps there was more reference to the RS in the key that we didn't see further down the sheet. Since the scroll it's self does not need to be physically rolled out and activated with blood like most, only activated once and then ingested we'll never know for sure.

My guess is that if he chooses to activate all of the 9T's chakra we'll see that form again, probably only once more when he fights Sasuke. The rest of the time we'll see the normal eye changing with increased chakra, or at most a few more tails and a chakra cloak like B's. White glow would be fun for a change but I could also see a purple one too, Narutos natural blue mixed with the 9T's red.

Now this is just for fun, but what if new form we saw was because of some kind of interaction with what Itachi gave naruto. Just an idea to ponder. :)

[Alexis]

It was nice, but I think it's a one-time thing...
It's not like he would transform into that at will...

When he will use the Kyubbi, he will transform in the same 3-way that any other jinchuriki.

We might see that "form" again, if Naruto start sealing every Bijuu inside him.
My thoughts as well.
I don't think this is his "new form" related to how he looks when he uses the demon cloak. I believe this is instead related to his seal, which evolved into a different seal once he obtained the Kyuubi chakra. I believe Minato designed it this way, so that Naruto could seal away the Kyuubi again once he completed his task.

I'm thinking the resemblance to Rokudou Sennin is rooted in that he was the one who designed the bijuu sealing technique.

[3c]

I also think this was a one time thing and will only possibly show up again if Naruto does something with the seal (like adding more Bijuus) or something. although I got to say that the "form" showed in this chapter was pretty cool, hands down.

I've been following a friend of mine's (Xiraiya's) theory for a pretty long time now. His theory is that Naruto will basically be like Mystic Gohan now. He'll have all of Kyuubi's strength and use it, but not show any signs of being transformed well perhaps except some eye changes (The + eyes must have been a foreshadowing no doubt) and more feral looks. Just like Gohan was using all his Super Saiyan powers while looking completely normal.

It's kind of boring I know, but this seems to be the route Kishi is going down with now. I would have preferred something more visible and awesome looking, plus something original that we haven't seen any other Jinchuuriki have anything close to. Sort of like the form showed in this chapter, but we can only hope. Remember that Kishi goes with what is easiest to draw. He will not draw a hundred Naruto's (Kage Bunshins) looking extremely complicated because it's too time consuming. Same reason why he ditched the cloak which was pure fanservice.

[niblack89]

I also think this was a one time thing and will only possibly show up again if Naruto does something with the seal (like adding more Bijuus) or something. although I got to say that the "form" showed in this chapter was pretty cool, hands down.

I've been following a friend of mine's (Xiraiya's) theory for a pretty long time now. His theory is that Naruto will basically be like Mystic Gohan now. He'll have all of Kyuubi's strength and use it, but not show any signs of being transformed well perhaps except some eye changes (The + eyes must have been a foreshadowing no doubt) and more feral looks. Just like Gohan was using all his Super Saiyan powers while looking completely normal.

It's kind of boring I know, but this seems to be the route Kishi is going down with now. I would have preferred something more visible and awesome looking, plus something original that we haven't seen any other Jinchuuriki have anything close to. Sort of like the form showed in this chapter, but we can only hope. Remember that Kishi goes with what is easiest to draw. He will not draw a hundred Naruto's (Kage Bunshins) looking extremely complicated because it's too time consuming. Same reason why he ditched the cloak which was pure fanservice.

I dough that will happen for several reasons

1st-That would be boring to watch.

2st- Naruto has the kyuubi's chakra but its not apart of his own but a separate part that he could access.

3rd- This form was really cool looking Naruto looks like his body is made of chakra. Also it looks to easy to draw.

[Hojinmaru]

It just came to me that he only looked this way in his internal world. In front of Tenzo and B he switched from being in a kyuubi chakra cloak to sage mode. So I doubt we will see this unless he's actively using the key in is internal enviornment.

[TwEeD]

Same reason why he ditched the cloak which was pure fanservice.

Wish he would keep it though, Naruto certainly looks more mature & respectable ( & bad-ass :P ) with a cloak. Fits better to his Sage title too (alongside the scroll)

[c0nflikt]

I think in true DBZ style, Naruto will have to train to balance kyuubi, sage, and his normal chakra, maybe even the new chakra kushina gave him. Then combined with his new transformation his latest master killer bee will give him some new hybrid armor from kumo.

[NAM61]

I also think this was a one time thing and will only possibly show up again if Naruto does something with the seal (like adding more Bijuus) or something. although I got to say that the "form" showed in this chapter was pretty cool, hands down.

I've been following a friend of mine's (Xiraiya's) theory for a pretty long time now. His theory is that Naruto will basically be like Mystic Gohan now. He'll have all of Kyuubi's strength and use it, but not show any signs of being transformed well perhaps except some eye changes (The + eyes must have been a foreshadowing no doubt) and more feral looks. Just like Gohan was using all his Super Saiyan powers while looking completely normal.

It's kind of boring I know, but this seems to be the route Kishi is going down with now. I would have preferred something more visible and awesome looking, plus something original that we haven't seen any other Jinchuuriki have anything close to. Sort of like the form showed in this chapter, but we can only hope. Remember that Kishi goes with what is easiest to draw. He will not draw a hundred Naruto's (Kage Bunshins) looking extremely complicated because it's too time consuming. Same reason why he ditched the cloak which was pure fanservice.

i think this will happen as well. i doubt we will see naruto use the tail forms that much. he will just used all the kyuubi's chakra in his normal form. it seems this was minato's goal all along that is why he only sealed half the kyuubi in naruto and naruto's new seal puts the kyuubi behind a cell in a box. unlike bee who has the hachibi out of a cage.

[DARK]

Does this transformation catch me off guard? Not in the slightest. It was quite evident from the start that Naruto would end up as a "revolutionary" to the ninja world.

[Shisu]

Can we really call it "Naruto's new form" ?

IMO it's just a symbol which says "Hello! I'm special."
Seeing Naruto fighting in this shiny-aura thingy is just ridiculous.

[Bonfire01]

I personally loved the form but reckon it would be far too awkward to draw and animate in combat. I can only see Kishi using it once more in whatever is the final fight in the manga, not in every Naruto battle from now on.

I agree with everyone saying Kishi will go for something more simple to show Kyubi mode. I reckon we'll see the crossed eyes when he's in sage and kyubi mode together but I also think we'll get something more blatant to go with it. Chakra cloaks seem easy enough (since they're not too tough to draw) and a staple of bijou use, so I think that's most likely.

If I was given the choice.... I think i'd go for a chakra cloak without any tails that just clings to Naruto and the necklace. I think that would look amazing and would be easy enough to draw and animate.....
[hr]

i think this will happen as well. i doubt we will see naruto use the tail forms that much. he will just used all the kyuubi's chakra in his normal form. it seems this was minato's goal all along that is why he only sealed half the kyuubi in naruto and naruto's new seal puts the kyuubi behind a cell in a box. unlike bee who has the hachibi out of a cage.

I think naruto is going to "befriend" Kyuubi and let him out of his cell at some point. When he said not to worry, he wouldn't hurt him and just to wait I think that assumes he won't just leave the Kyuubi in his box. It also suggested naruto is now confident that he is dominant over the Kyuubi... saying not to worry about him hurting the Kyuubi bertainly suggests it should be scared of Naruto.

I reckon we'll see Naruto fight someone (Kisame?) then his last "power up" will be making friends with the fox...

[niblack89]

I think naruto is going to "befriend" Kyuubi and let him out of his cell at some point. When he said not to worry, he wouldn't hurt him and just to wait I think that assumes he won't just leave the Kyuubi in his box. It also suggested naruto is now confident that he is dominant over the Kyuubi... saying not to worry about him hurting the Kyuubi bertainly suggests it should be scared of Naruto

I think so to. Their is nothing the kyuubi can do to Naruto, he doesn't have much chakra left and I dough he could retake the chakra Naruto has. Naruto has the advantage and he could reseal it anytime he wants. It's going to be a little chat. Help me or go back to that uncomfortable cage. Naruto is stronger with all the kyuubi's chakra and cooperation.

[Hojinmaru]

I think so to. Their is nothing the kyuubi can do to Naruto, he doesn't have much chakra left and I dough he could retake the chakra Naruto has. Naruto has the advantage and he could reseal it anytime he wants. It's going to be a little chat. Help me or go back to that uncomfortable cage. Naruto is stronger with all the kyuubi's chakra and cooperation.

What are you talking about, the kyuubi still posses a threat to Naruto internally, why else would there be a seal STILL containing him within a cage? He even acknowledges (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/89152425/14) the kyuubi's strength after taking the chakra from him. True, Naruto has the advantage over him but to say that the kyuubi has NO chance of regaining control over his chakra is delusional. Naruto was able to get an edge over the kyuubi only because of Kushinas chakra holding him back. Now that she is "joining" Minato, that chakra won't be there in the future, so Naruto needs to be careful how he handles the Kyuubi.

[pimp naruto kun]

I'm sorry but how does the kyuubi being out of its cage benefit naruto at all he has the foxs chakra. Chakra and will pobably find a way to break away from genjutsu what does he need kyuubi for so they can have a little chitchat and be bffs naruto went through all the trouble of sealing it I doubt naruto next chapter will say I t think I changed my mind we should be friends I don't get why people want this to happen so badly he has no use for the kyuubi at this point and he was told specifically to seperate mind from body and to seal the kyuubi I doubt killerbee will be. Like "aw yeaa step three is to make friends with kyuubi" also in what way is friendship with the kyuubi a power up he gains little to nothing from it

[M3J]

I think Naruto's new form was just a one time thing. Kyuubi's chakra was probably what made him look all Rikudou-y, though I think the horns were just chakra outlining his hair. Kyuubi's chakra is apparently what was needed to complete the seal, or Naruto did something. This could also be like a victory thingie, like how when your character wins, it shines. I think the form was more to show the tremendous victory Naruto had over the Kyuubi by taking its chakra.

[Nicholas.Sama]

I think he took that form because it is Rikudo's sealing jutsu.
And the only time we will ever see it is when he messes around with the seal.

[niblack89]

What are you talking about, the kyuubi still posses a threat to Naruto internally, why else would there be a seal STILL containing him within a cage? He even acknowledges (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/89152425/14) the kyuubi's strength after taking the chakra from him. True, Naruto has the advantage over him but to say that the kyuubi has NO chance of regaining control over his chakra is delusional. Naruto was able to get an edge over the kyuubi only because of Kushinas chakra holding him back. Now that she is "joining" Minato, that chakra won't be there in the future, so Naruto needs to be careful how he handles the Kyuubi.

The reason why Naruto resealed the kyuubi was because of that blast. The kyuubi wasn't a match for sage mode and now he has the large majority of his chakra, yeah he is no match for Naruto. It was kuhina holding back the foxes will at first but it was all Naruto that blocked the kyuubi's will and all Naruto that defeated the kyuubi with his own power.

I looked at how the hachibi doesn't have a cage surrounding him or doesn't want his chakra back. He doesn't have a chance in regaining his chakra back, Naruto is immune to the kyuubi's will and has more power than the kyuubi so I don't think I'm delusional.


I'm sorry but how does the kyuubi being out of its cage benefit naruto at all he has the foxs chakra. Chakra and will pobably find a way to break away from genjutsu what does he need kyuubi for so they can have a little chitchat and be bffs naruto went through all the trouble of sealing it I doubt naruto next chapter will say I t think I changed my mind we should be friends I don't get why people want this to happen so badly he has no use for the kyuubi at this point and he was told specifically to seperate mind from body and to seal the kyuubi I doubt killerbee will be. Like "aw yeaa step three is to make friends with kyuubi" also in what way is friendship with the kyuubi a power up he gains little to nothing from it

You answered your own question, for more chakra, genjutsu immunity and help in fights. No one wants the kyuubi and Naruto to be chummy like Bee and Hachibi, just a mutual respect for each other. I bet step 3 of the training will be exactly that. The whole point of the first training was to forgive all the people that made him dough himself and to have faith in himself. Forgiving the kyuubi will be a way for Naruto to cut the chain hatred the kyuubi is a great chain of hatred for everyone.

[pimp naruto kun]

You answered your own question, for more chakra, genjutsu immunity and help in fights. No one wants the kyuubi and Naruto to be chummy like Bee and Hachibi, just a mutual respect for each other. I bet step 3 of the training will be exactly that. The whole point of the first training was to forgive all the people that made him dough himself and to have faith in himself. Forgiving the kyuubi will be a way for Naruto to cut the chain hatred the kyuubi is a great chain of hatred for everyone.

I'm sorry but i think you misunderstood what i was saying in my post I was not arguing that what your saying i actually was stating using these to state why he does not need the kyuubi ill make a list so people understand what i am saying rather then misinterpret the post to make an argument.

reasons why naruto does not need the kyuubi

1. Naruto now has full control of the kyuubi's chakra meaning that he no longer relies on the kyuubi (in the physical sense) for chakra

2. having a partner bijuu is not the only way to break from genjutsu as it was shown in the earlier part of part II where naruto was taught by jiraiya that genjutsu can be broken by accumalating and releasing chakra naruto could easily do this now as he has full control of the kyuubi's chakra and sage mode also because the kyuubi no longer has chakra he can not use his own chakra to disrupt naruto and break him from genjutsu

3. Naruto already fully controls the kyuubi chakra and has sage mode seeing as how the kyuubi has no chakra he would not be much of a help in fights because naruto no longer needs to borrow chakra from the kyuubi as he already controls it.

4. The frogs specifically said to overcome its hatred by seperating mind and chakra. Naruto seperated mind and chakra by locking the kyuubi's mind behind he cage and taking all the chakra from it's body. nowhere was it said that naruto needed to go back and unseal the kyuubi so that he could cooperate with it.

5. Bee and Hachibi have a different situation as the hachibi was not sealed within a cage and lends chakra to bee kyuubi and naruto are different naruto has taken all of kyuubi's chakra and has sealed it behind a cage and seeing as how great hatred kyuubi now holds for naruto makes the idea of cooperation less likely and neccessary as the kyuubi no longer gives anything to naruto

Also naruto has proven he has overcome the kyuubi's hatred by using his will to repel the hatred that tried to overcome it and seperate the chakra from it as i have said many times naruto fox control as described by gerotara( sorry if i spelled it wrong) is to seperate mind and body taking only chakra naruto completed that and until otherwise stated that will be the completion of kyuubi control and he will practice probably using its chakra with bee.

Also i have a feeling naruto may not go into tailed transformations and stuff anymore because he seems to only transform when affected by the hatred of the kyuubi( it's mind) and now no longer is affected by its hatred in chapter 498 naruto stopped transforming when he gained control and began to overcome its hatred. If anything i know some people will say this is boring but i hope he stays human while using the foxs chakra because i think the tailed states are dumb and would make him the same as every other jinchuriki who transforms and they look pretty dumb i think it would be better if he glowed like in rikkoudo esque form or was surrounded in chakra like in his fight with neji in part II i don't want naruto to become a clone of bee excepyt for the ninetails becuase i think that would be boring i think i would prefer something like a mystic-gohan type thing like xiraiya has said before instead of transformatons

[niblack89]

I'm sorry but i think you misunderstood what i was saying in my post I was not arguing that what your saying i actually was stating using these to state why he does not need the kyuubi ill make a list so people understand what i am saying rather then misinterpret the post to make an argument.

reasons why naruto does not need the kyuubi

1. Naruto now has full control of the kyuubi's chakra meaning that he no longer relies on the kyuubi (in the physical sense) for chakra

Chakra will return the kyuubi. Bee and Naruto went through the same method of taking chakra from their buji and the hachibi may not have all its chakra back but he has quite a large amount left. The Hachibi doesn't look skinny and Bee relies on the Hachibi's power still.


2. having a partner bijuu is not the only way to break from genjutsu as it was shown in the earlier part of part II where naruto was taught by jiraiya that genjutsu can be broken by accumalating and releasing chakra naruto could easily do this now as he has full control of the kyuubi's chakra and sage mode also because the kyuubi no longer has chakra he can not use his own chakra to disrupt naruto and break him from genjutsu

Yes their is two of breaking genjutsu but having a large amount of chakra doesn't mean that the genjutsu will be broken. Naruto has probably a twice as much chakra than Itachi especially since it was 15% percent of Itachi's actual power. Having a partner is a sure 100% way to cancel out genjutsu. Also Sasuke has tsukuyomi which can't be broken by any other means except a partner or another strong sharingan.


3. Naruto already fully controls the kyuubi chakra and has sage mode seeing as how the kyuubi has no chakra he would not be much of a help in fights because naruto no longer needs to borrow chakra from the kyuubi as he already controls it.

Naruto has access to a large majority of the kyuubi's chakra but the kyuubi has quite a considerable amount of power left judging by that chakra ball was twice the size of the kyuubi even if it took away some of his life energy. Also as I said energy may return to the kyuubi.


4. The frogs specifically said to overcome its hatred by seperating mind and chakra. Naruto seperated mind and chakra by locking the kyuubi's mind behind he cage and taking all the chakra from it's body. nowhere was it said that naruto needed to go back and unseal the kyuubi so that he could cooperate with it.

It could be said that the kyuubi has almost no will left he is a husk of what he use to be their is actually no need for a cage. Naruto has taken the kyuubi's chakra but he is now where what killer Bee is. Bee is a true jinchurriki. If Naruto doesn't take actual control of the kyuubi's will it would be incomplete.


5. Bee and Hachibi have a different situation as the hachibi was not sealed within a cage and lends chakra to bee kyuubi and naruto are different naruto has taken all of kyuubi's chakra and has sealed it behind a cage and seeing as how great hatred kyuubi now holds for naruto makes the idea of cooperation less likely and neccessary as the kyuubi no longer gives anything to naruto

The kyuubi's will is as big as its chakra which isn't that big anymore. You forget the whole theme of Naruto. Almost ever person Naruto meets he changes them. The kyuubi doesn't know Naruto at all he only know that hi parents sealed him in Naruto that's all. Naruto said himself that he doesn't want to hurt the kyuubi and told him to wait. A reason he resealed the kyuubi was because he wanted to tie up lose ends with him mother. Naruto's new job is to understand and help people he will release the kyuubi because it holds no actual threat to Naruto anymore.


Also naruto has proven he has overcome the kyuubi's hatred by using his will to repel the hatred that tried to overcome it and seperate the chakra from it as i have said many times naruto fox control as described by gerotara( sorry if i spelled it wrong) is to seperate mind and body taking only chakra naruto completed that and until otherwise stated that will be the completion of kyuubi control and he will practice probably using its chakra with bee.

This I agree with. Naruto has no evil in his heart and can take the full blunt of the kyuubi's will and block it out because if he did it once he could do it any number of times.


Also i have a feeling naruto may not go into tailed transformations and stuff anymore because he seems to only transform when affected by the hatred of the kyuubi( it's mind) and now no longer is affected by its hatred in chapter 498 naruto stopped transforming when he gained control and began to overcome its hatred. If anything i know some people will say this is boring but i hope he stays human while using the foxs chakra because i think the tailed states are dumb and would make him the same as every other jinchuriki who transforms and they look pretty dumb i think it would be better if he glowed like in rikkoudo esque form or was surrounded in chakra like in his fight with neji in part II i don't want naruto to become a clone of bee excepyt for the ninetails becuase i think that would be boring i think i would prefer something like a mystic-gohan type thing like xiraiya has said before instead of transformatons

I can agree with that too. I wanted a tail transformation at first but seeing this new form made me like seeing the loss of tails. The new form show promise Naruto's whole being looks made of chakra and could be a great defense, the new form is a unknown, he could still even have all the kyuubi's techniques like the chakra claws we don't know.The mystic-Gahan seems to lazy on kish's half. The a biju is made of chakra and that chakra isn't being represented, cloaks form a shield and has hidden features it shows that Naruto is using his jinchurriki power. Also when did Jiraiya say that i don't remember.

[pimp naruto kun]

Chakra will return the kyuubi. Bee and Naruto went through the same method of taking chakra from their buji and the hachibi may not have all its chakra back but he has quite a large amount left. The Hachibi doesn't look skinny and Bee relies on the Hachibi's power still.

There is no evidence at all that the chakra will return to the kyuubi this pure speculation on your part and hope that naruto will cooperate with kyuubi like bee. there would be no point in naruto seperating the kyuubis chakra and taking all of its chakra if it would simply not be his and return to the kyuubi



Yes their is two of breaking genjutsu but having a large amount of chakra doesn't mean that the genjutsu will be broken. Naruto has probably a twice as much chakra than Itachi especially since it was 15% percent of Itachi's actual power. Having a partner is a sure 100% way to cancel out genjutsu. Also Sasuke has tsukuyomi which can't be broken by any other means except a partner or another strong sharingan.

the reason that bee can break genjutsu is that his partner sends a large amount of chakra to disrupt his own chakra flow. naruto using his own chakra plus the chakra he got from the fox and sage chakra could disrupt his own chakra flow by excerting enough chakra which has been explained in the beginning of part II and by Jiraiya during naruto's training. As i said before the kyuubi does not have chakra left and is sealed making it unable to disrupt his chakra flow and break him from genjutsu. Hachibi lends bee chakra and is unsealed making it able to disrupt bee's chakra flow using its own chakra unlike kyuubi who has been stripped of it's chakra.


Naruto has access to a large majority of the kyuubi's chakra but the kyuubi has quite a considerable amount of power left judging by that chakra ball was twice the size of the kyuubi even if it took away some of his life energy. Also as I said energy may return to the kyuubi.


Naruto has access to all the kyuubi's chakra it has been stated that he was to take all its chakra and seperate its will. the ball it made was using life energy as shown by the kyuubi looking older and weaker in appearance after using the attack. it does not have a considerable amount of power left as it expelled what remaining life energy it had naruto has already taken all its power there is no point in arguing this as it has already been shown. Also you have no basis that the power will return to kyuubi as that would be pointless in naruto taking the power in the first place and that it has not been explained how bee and hachibi's sealling style works you are running of speculation and hope that they have the same exact sealing method and form of control.



It could be said that the kyuubi has almost no will left he is a husk of what he use to be their is actually no need for a cage. Naruto has taken the kyuubi's chakra but he is now where what killer Bee is. Bee is a true jinchurriki. If Naruto doesn't take actual control of the kyuubi's will it would be incomplete.

If naruto controls it's chakra and has seperated it's mind and chakra from eachother and has sealed it then by definition of geratora the frog who controls the key to the kyuubi's chakra yes he is a complete jinchuriki it has never been said that any part of naruto's control was to do anything other then overcome the kyuubi's hatred and pull its chakra from its body leaving only the mind. Your idea of complete and incomplete jinchuriki has no source saying that to be a true jinchuriki you must have your bijuu unsealed and partner with it this again has no basis.


The kyuubi's will is as big as its chakra which isn't that big anymore. You forget the whole theme of Naruto. Almost ever person Naruto meets he changes them. The kyuubi doesn't know Naruto at all he only know that hi parents sealed him in Naruto that's all. Naruto said himself that he doesn't want to hurt the kyuubi and told him to wait. A reason he resealed the kyuubi was because he wanted to tie up lose ends with him mother. Naruto's new job is to understand and help people he will release the kyuubi because it holds no actual threat to Naruto anymore.

He sealed the kyuubi because he was told to 1. by killer bee and 2. by the frogs. Naruto would have sealed it regardless of whether kushina had appeared or not you are using your own interpretations as substitute for fact. one of the themes of naruto is to overcome hatred which naruto has already done by repelling the hatred of the fox and taking it's chakra naruto has taken it's chakra has sealed it and controls all of it not a major portion but all of it. Naruto not wanting to hurt the kyuubi is not equal to releasing and partnering with the kyuubi it simply means he does not want to cause it harm.



This I agree with. Naruto has no evil in his heart and can take the full blunt of the kyuubi's will and block it out because if he did it once he could do it any number of times.

the thing is he was only told to do it once and then seperate the mind and chakra making it no longer an issue.


I can agree with that too. I wanted a tail transformation at first but seeing this new form made me like seeing the loss of tails. The new form show promise Naruto's whole being looks made of chakra and could be a great defense, the new form is a unknown, he could still even have all the kyuubi's techniques like the chakra claws we don't know.The mystic-Gahan seems to lazy on kish's half. The a biju is made of chakra and that chakra isn't being represented, cloaks form a shield and has hidden features it shows that Naruto is using his jinchurriki power. Also when did Jiraiya say that i don't remember.

if it becomes naruto's own chakra which it now is i think either him being surrounded with chakra like in rikkoudo sealing form would be a representation of it reflecting his newly found chakra and not the kyuubi's hate which was the initial cause for tailed transformations. It seems like naruto only transforms into tailed transformations when he is affected by the evil influence of the kyuubi and it's hate by having a new form it would show that naruto is no longer affected by it's hate. Also it could show a mastering of bijuu use using only the chakra while retaining human form free from the influence of the bijuu that would be more original than naruto relying on kyuubi like bee. i really would dislike naruto just becoming a giant fox and spamming lasors instead of still being human and using immense jutsu's i dont want naruto to become a clone of bee which in my opinion would be lazy on kishi's part making every jinchuriki master there beast in the same way and transform essentially the same way. Also xiraiya is a member i'm not saying jiraiya.

[niblack89]

There is no evidence at all that the chakra will return to the kyuubi this pure speculation on your part and hope that naruto will cooperate with kyuubi like bee. there would be no point in naruto seperating the kyuubis chakra and taking all of its chakra if it would simply not be his and return to the kyuubi

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l325/niblack89/09-2.jpg?t=1277335363 here's some evidence to support my claim. The hachibi looks normal no weight lost. As I said before they went through the same training and the result of that training should be the same meaning the hachibi was at some point anorexic. The kyuubi can assist Naruto in fight with his remaining chakra



the reason that bee can break genjutsu is that his partner sends a large amount of chakra to disrupt his own chakra flow. naruto using his own chakra plus the chakra he got from the fox and sage chakra could disrupt his own chakra flow by excerting enough chakra which has been explained in the beginning of part II and by Jiraiya during naruto's training. As i said before the kyuubi does not have chakra left and is sealed making it unable to disrupt his chakra flow and break him from genjutsu. Hachibi lends bee chakra and is unsealed making it able to disrupt bee's chakra flow using its own chakra unlike kyuubi who has been stripped of it's chakra.

By your claim sage mode should do the same thing releasing a large amount of chakra is used for regular genjutsu not extreme ones like Tsukyomi. Like I said having a partner by your side is the best way to release yourself from genjutsu. The kyuubi has plenty of chakra remaining and Naruto only caged the kyuubi because he wanted to finish the conversation with him mother before she left for good. Naruto could unseal the kyuubi and let it roam free. Its weakened a shell of what it was. The will can't do anything to Naruto, unsealing it is going to be a sign of trust.




Naruto has access to all the kyuubi's chakra it has been stated that he was to take all its chakra and seperate its will. the ball it made was using life energy as shown by the kyuubi looking older and weaker in appearance after using the attack. it does not have a considerable amount of power left as it expelled what remaining life energy it had naruto has already taken all its power there is no point in arguing this as it has already been shown. Also you have no basis that the power will return to kyuubi as that would be pointless in naruto taking the power in the first place and that it has not been explained how bee and hachibi's sealling style works you are running of speculation and hope that they have the same exact sealing method and form of control.

True the kyuubi was using life energy but chakra restores itself. As I aid the hachibi has its chakra back Bee went through the same method take the chakra. Taking the chakra has nothing to do with the seals. I'm speculating but so are you to say the kyuubi is useless now that he is weakened but he just used a chakra ball that was twice his size and you have no prof that the chakra wont restore itself. Just saying it wont when I have proof it will is speculating more than I am.



If naruto controls it's chakra and has seperated it's mind and chakra from eachother and has sealed it then by definition of geratora the frog who controls the key to the kyuubi's chakra yes he is a complete jinchuriki it has never been said that any part of naruto's control was to do anything other then overcome the kyuubi's hatred and pull its chakra from its body leaving only the mind. Your idea of complete and incomplete jinchuriki has no source saying that to be a true jinchuriki you must have your bijuu unsealed and partner with it this again has no basis.

Bee controls his biju and was said to be one of few that controls other biju. Naruto doesn't control the kyuubi, all he did was take its chakra controlling a biju is using its will and chakra completely.



He sealed the kyuubi because he was told to 1. by killer bee and 2. by the frogs. Naruto would have sealed it regardless of whether kushina had appeared or not you are using your own interpretations as substitute for fact. one of the themes of naruto is to overcome hatred which naruto has already done by repelling the hatred of the fox and taking it's chakra naruto has taken it's chakra has sealed it and controls all of it not a major portion but all of it. Naruto not wanting to hurt the kyuubi is not equal to releasing and partnering with the kyuubi it simply means he does not want to cause it harm.

Bee never said after you take the kyuubi's chakra reseal it. His biju isn't even sealed and the frogs never said to reseal the kyuubi. As I said before the kyuubi isn't a threat to Naruto just like the hachibi isn't to Bee. Naruto is immune to his will and the kyuubi doesn't have enough power to take on Naruto. Also Naruto said he wouldn't hurt the kyuubi anymore that seal like like it hurts, being pinned down in a smaller cage with pillars surrounding all his body sounds to be a contradiction, but to temporally seal it so he could have a peaceful conversation with his mother.


the thing is he was only told to do it once and then seperate the mind and chakra making it no longer an issue.

That I can agree with


if it becomes naruto's own chakra which it now is i think either him being surrounded with chakra like in rikkoudo sealing form would be a representation of it reflecting his newly found chakra and not the kyuubi's hate which was the initial cause for tailed transformations. It seems like naruto only transforms into tailed transformations when he is affected by the evil influence of the kyuubi and it's hate by having a new form it would show that naruto is no longer affected by it's hate. Also it could show a mastering of bijuu use using only the chakra while retaining human form free from the influence of the bijuu that would be more original than naruto relying on kyuubi like bee. i really would dislike naruto just becoming a giant fox and spamming lasors instead of still being human and using immense jutsu's i dont want naruto to become a clone of bee which in my opinion would be lazy on kishi's part making every jinchuriki master there beast in the same way and transform essentially the same way. Also xiraiya is a member i'm not saying jiraiya.

See the thing is Bee uses the same form as Naruto when he used the kyuubi's chakra and will. I think its the seals that changes the two. I would hate to see Naruto turn into a giant kyuubi but I would like to see a kyuubi, Naruto combination. Not like hachibi and Bee but some help would be nice. Naruto already isn't a clone of Bee his seal is different. O and Xiraiya I though it was a typo

P.S My S button sucks

[pimp naruto kun]

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l325/niblack89/09-2.jpg?t=1277335363 here's some evidence to support my claim. The hachibi looks normal no weight lost. As I said before they went through the same training and the result of that training should be the same meaning the hachibi was at some point anorexic. The kyuubi can assist Naruto in fight with his remaining chakra


this does not support your claim i'm sorry it only shows that bee uses chakra from hachibi it does not show that hachibi was stripped of it's chakra and then regained it.The kyuubi does not have remaining chakra was told to remove ALL of the chakra and he did he did not leave any left over the kyuubi was using the tiny amount of chakra it had in combination with its lifeforce.



By your claim sage mode should do the same thing releasing a large amount of chakra is used for regular genjutsu not extreme ones like Tsukyomi. Like I said having a partner by your side is the best way to release yourself from genjutsu. The kyuubi has plenty of chakra remaining and Naruto only caged the kyuubi because he wanted to finish the conversation with him mother before she left for good. Naruto could unseal the kyuubi and let it roam free. Its weakened a shell of what it was. The will can't do anything to Naruto, unsealing it is going to be a sign of trust.

We just had a chapter which showed that naruto took full control of it's chakra it was not left to be decided whether there was any left it relied on lifeforc and the small amount of chakra it had left to create the ball. the point of sealing was not so he could go talk to his mom it was part of the process he has been told to do by at least two people would kishi really go through that epic sealing process just for the sake of naruto talking to his mom the kyuubi was already restrained during his conversation. Also the kyuubi now has a deep resentment for not only minato and kushina but for naruto himself. If naruto did unseal the kyuubi i doubt he would see it as an act of kindness or mercy he would most likely have no hesitation in trying to regain control of its chakra and attempt to immediately attack naruto this last chapter kind of established that any miniscule opportunity for a relationship between them just dissapeared. you constantly are saying that the kyuubi poses no harm to naruto but if it posessess as much chakra as you claim then wouldn't it still be a threat naruto almost lost against the kyuubi trying to overtake him before the arrival of kushina whats not to say there is still a risk. you keep claiming how weak it is but then you will say how strong it is your contradicting yourself contstantly in your own post. and if it is such a weak shell of its former self what does naruto gain by partnering with it.






True the kyuubi was using life energy but chakra restores itself. As I aid the hachibi has its chakra back and they went through the same method take the chakra. Taking the chakra has nothing to do with the seals. I'm speculating but so are you to say the kyuubi is useless now that he is weakend but he just used a chakra ball that was twice his size and you have no prof that the chakra wont restore itself. Just saying it wont when I have proof it will is speculating more than I am.

Chakra may restore itself but if you take away all the chakra there is nothing to restore. any chakra the kyuubi would have left was expelled in the final blast which was destroyed by the sealing. Also the point of the sealing is to seperate the mind from body his original goal the mind no longer affects naruto and he has control of the chakra. if the chakra restored itself than like i said before there would be no point in showing him have taken all of the kyuubi's chakra before. You are actully speculating i am basing it off so far what has happened you are assuming possible connections that may not be there until we have been told that bee at some point sealed hachibi and it restored it's chakra and then was unsealed to roam free we cannot say that this happened





Bee controls his biju and was said to be one of few that controls other biju. Naruto doesn't control the kyuubi, all he did was take its chakra controlling a biju is using its will and chakra completely.

this may be true but the fourths intention was to have the kyuubi's chakra to complete that jutsu not control its mind not be partners but control it's chakra. naruto has been told thew goal was to seperate mind and chakra which he has done at this point saying there is anything beyond this is speculating.



Bee never said after you take the kyuubi's chakra reseal it. His biju isn't even ealed and the frogs never said to reseal the kyuubi. As I said before the kyuubi isn't a threat to Naruto just like the hachibi isn't to Bee. Naruto is immune to his will and he doesn't have enough power to take on Naruto. Also Naruto said he wouldn't hurt the kyuubi anymore that seal like like it hurts, being pinned down in a smaller cage with pillars surrounding all his body sounds to be a contradiction, but to temporally seal it so he could have a peaceful conversation with his mother.

i meant to say unseal it and i doubt the seal hurts the kyuubi he has been in a cage for the duration of naruto's life naruto did not imply that the seal was hurtful to the kyuubi he implied that he would no longer fight the kyuubi and cause it harm. Once again you are not understanding the point of sealing it naruto did not seal it to talk to his mother he sealed it to complete his goal of seperating the mind and will.




See the thing is Bee uses the same form as Naruto when he used the kyuubi's chakra and will. I think its the seals that changes the two. I would hate to see Naruto turn into a giant kyuubi but I would like to see a kyuubi, Naruto combination. Not like hachibi and Bee but some help would be nice. Naruto already isn't a clone of Bee his seal is different. O and Xiraiya I though it was a typo

The kyuubi can not offer help to naruto at this point seeing as he has been stripped of his chakra and no longer would benefit naruto in the way hachibi benefits bee. also in reference to the bolded part your whole post stated how they were the same and would do the same to their bijuu but you basically proved that they have different seals meaning they have a different intention in the sealing method naruto's intention as said by jiraiya was to have full access to the kyuubi's chakra which he now has because their is a different sealing process there is a different method of control. Minato's intention was to give his son a seal that could have access to the kyuubi's full chakra after naruto opened the key he needed to claim the fox's chakra as his own thus giving him the reserves of the kyuubi's chakra you are claiming that although they have different seals the method in which they can access chakra is the same which it may not neccesarily be. Also your claim about naruto only sealing kyuubi to finish talking with kushina is not true in the least naruto after absorbing the kyuubi's chakra had access to the seal and was most likely intended to use it i doubt it would be simply to stall the kyuubi and return to the conversation as the chains had already done this.

I also hope we dont have any full beast transformations i would be fine with a seal esque looking transformation but i think its dumb if naruto used the tail transformations like every other jinchuriki i would be fine with something completely different but i dont want to see naruto facing a bunch of ninja's as a giant black thing with a weird mouth or the fox thing itself at least make it a battle between ninja's and not monster lasors.

[niblack89]

this does not support your claim i'm sorry it only shows that bee uses chakra from hachibi it does not show that hachibi was stripped of it's chakra and then regained it.The kyuubi does not have remaining chakra was told to remove ALL of the chakra and he did he did not leave any left over the kyuubi was using the tiny amount of chakra it had in combination with its lifeforce.

LMAo post fight. That post shows that after Bee took all of the hachibi's power he regained it back. You explained my point the hachibi lost its chakra and regained it back. Naruto didn't take all the kyuubi's chakra because it is still alive and chakra restores itself.



We just had a chapter which showed that naruto took full control of it's chakra it was not left to be decided whether there was any left it relied on lifeforc and the small amount of chakra it had left to create the ball. the point of sealing was not so he could go talk to his mom it was part of the process he has been told to do by at least two people would kishi really go through that epic sealing process just for the sake of naruto talking to his mom the kyuubi was already restrained during his conversation. Also the kyuubi now has a deep resentment for not only minato and kushina but for naruto himself. If naruto did unseal the kyuubi i doubt he would see it as an act of kindness or mercy he would most likely have no hesitation in trying to regain control of its chakra and attempt to immediately attack naruto this last chapter kind of established that any miniscule opportunity for a relationship between them just dissapeared. you constantly are saying that the kyuubi poses no harm to naruto but if it posessess as much chakra as you claim then wouldn't it still be a threat naruto almost lost against the kyuubi trying to overtake him before the arrival of kushina whats not to say there is still a risk. you keep claiming how weak it is but then you will say how strong it is your contradicting yourself contstantly in your own post. and if it is such a weak shell of its former self what does naruto gain by partnering with it.

Like I said it could try and regain its chakra but it isn't a match for Naruto and will get shut down quickly. Also Naruto could attempt to negotiate with the kyuubi hear my words and I will release you from the cage. Naruto has a way with words, the kyuubi would be angry at Naruto but will respect him fro his power. The will of the kyuubi's will isn't what it was which was the same level as its chakra as I said before. Now's the perfect time to negotiate with the kyuubi.


Chakra may restore itself but if you take away all the chakra there is nothing to restore. any chakra the kyuubi would have left was expelled in the final blast which was destroyed by the sealing. Also the point of the sealing is to seperate the mind from body his original goal the mind no longer affects naruto and he has control of the chakra. if the chakra restored itself than like i said before there would be no point in showing him have taken all of the kyuubi's chakra before. You are actully speculating i am basing it off so far what has happened you are assuming possible connections that may not be there until we have been told that bee at some point sealed hachibi and it restored it's chakra and then was unsealed to roam free we cannot say that this happened

Naruto has one set of chakra and the kyuubi has is own. I'm guessing that what Naruto is using now is what Bee calls V1 and a combination is what he call V2 . I', basing off the Manga too but to say that Naruto can't use the other half of the when Bee used the other half of the hachibi's.


this may be true but the fourths intention was to have the kyuubi's chakra to complete that jutsu not control its mind not be partners but control it's chakra. naruto has been told thew goal was to seperate mind and chakra which he has done at this point saying there is anything beyond this is speculating.

No dough Naruto could leave it the way it is but that's would be to lazy on kish's part especially if Naruto wants to change the world how can he stop the evil will of Sasuke when the kyuubi's will. Sasuke's chakra was said to be evil just as or even more then the kyuubi's if he can't persuade the kyuubi then he stands no hope against Sasuke.


i meant to say unseal it and i doubt the seal hurts the kyuubi he has been in a cage for the duration of naruto's life naruto did not imply that the seal was hurtful to the kyuubi he implied that he would no longer fight the kyuubi and cause it harm. Once again you are not understanding the point of sealing it naruto did not seal it to talk to his mother he sealed it to complete his goal of seperating the mind and will.

As I said before the will of the kyuubi doesn't harm Naruto anymore. The kyuubi can't force the will anymore. Even if he did it would mean he would have to give Naruto chakra and Naruto is immune to his will. Just like the hachibi isn't sealed because it can't harm the Bee.

[QUOTE=pimp naruto kun]The kyuubi can not offer help to naruto at this point seeing as he has been stripped of his chakra and no longer would benefit naruto in the way hachibi benefits bee. also in reference to the bolded part your whole post stated how they were the same and would do the same to their bijuu but you basically proved that they have different seals meaning they have a different intention in the sealing method naruto's intention as said by jiraiya was to have full access to the kyuubi's chakra which he now has because their is a different sealing process there is a different method of control. Minato's intention was to give his son a seal that could have access to the kyuubi's full chakra after naruto opened the key he needed to claim the fox's chakra as his own thus giving him the reserves of the kyuubi's chakra you are claiming that although they have different seals the method in which they can access chakra is the same which it may not neccesarily be. Also your claim about naruto only sealing kyuubi to finish talking with kushina is not true in the least naruto after absorbing the kyuubi's chakra had access to the seal and was most likely intended to use it i doubt it would be simply to stall the kyuubi and return to the conversation as the chains had already done this.

Even if the kyuubi doesn't have chakra to spare he could help in genjutsu release and help in a fight. He is the strongest wises and most intelligent biju who knows about Madara, the 1st and the SO6P. He has much to offer Naruto


I also hope we dont have any full beast transformations i would be fine with a seal esque looking transformation but i think its dumb if naruto used the tail transformations like every other jinchuriki i would be fine with something completely different but i dont want to see naruto facing a bunch of ninja's as a giant black thing with a weird mouth or the fox thing itself at least make it a battle between ninja's and not monster lasors.

I would like to see V2 of this SO6P's form.

[M3J]

here's some evidence to support my claim. The hachibi looks normal no weight lost. As I said before they went through the same training and the result of that training should be the same meaning the hachibi was at some point anorexic. The kyuubi can assist Naruto in fight with his remaining chakra
Actually, just because Kyuubi looked anorexic doesn't mean same would happen with Hachibi. Kyuubi looked skeletal because it used up its life force to create the huge ball. Hachibi probably didn't do the same.
They may have gone through the same training, but completely different scenarios would have occurred. All four are completely different from each other.

Though, it doesn't mean they'll be completely different. Maybe Naruto's Kyuubi form can be completely colored, like Bee's was when he was mini-Hachibi, but without the burn or pain.

[niblack89]

Actually, just because Kyuubi looked anorexic doesn't mean same would happen with Hachibi. Kyuubi looked skeletal because it used up its life force to create the huge ball. Hachibi probably didn't do the same.
They may have gone through the same training, but completely different scenarios would have occurred. All four are completely different from each other.

Though, it doesn't mean they'll be completely different. Maybe Naruto's Kyuubi form can be completely colored, like Bee's was when he was mini-Hachibi, but without the burn or pain.

The kyuubi looked skeletal before the huge ball. Bee was suppose to have taken all the Hachibi's chakra just like what Naruto just did if that's the case then Bee only took half the chakra because the hachibi still has a butt load left. So that's why I think he took a large majority like Naruto did because taking the Hachibi's chakra should have the same results as Naruto taking the kyuubi's chakra it should have left them in similar states.

As for V2 it would be different from Bee's because V1 already is and a coloring of it would be plausible because Bee's V2 is just that.

[M3J]

I didn't see the Kyuubi as skeletal before the huge chakra ball though. Maybe chest, but it may have either been like that or it was the result of FRS he got earlier.

Hmm, maybe Naruto's able to go into full Kyuubi mode, then. Like what Gaara, Yuugito, and Killerbee did. Imagine how powerful that form would be, minus the destruction and hatred. Naruto would truly be a ninja to reckon with.

[niblack89]

I didn't see the Kyuubi as skeletal before the huge chakra ball though. Maybe chest, but it may have either been like that or it was the result of FRS he got earlier.

Hmm, maybe Naruto's able to go into full Kyuubi mode, then. Like what Gaara, Yuugito, and Killerbee did. Imagine how powerful that form would be, minus the destruction and hatred. Naruto would truly be a ninja to reckon with.

I would like for Naruto to do something that required him to use the kyuubi's power like those characters and here http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l325/niblack89/12.png?t=1277355129
the middle left hand panel you can see the kyuubi's rib cage, it cheeks are smaller and its arms look like strings.

[pimp naruto kun]

We know the kyuubi became anorexic because naruto took all its chakra but we still do not know if during bees training bee did exactly what naruto did we still don't know the details of what bee and chachibi di d or if anything happens after so we cannot say that the kyuubis chakra will restore itself naruto took all its chakra but we do not know if bee did the same seeing as he has to rely on hachibi for chakra

[Atemu]

Obviously the new seal only means that neither minato nor kuchina expected for naruto to controll the fox. I guess it was enough to steal the chakra, but naruto has hinted that he could be friend with the fox. The big question is "Will naruto be able to enter the bujuu forms like bee without the fox's will?"

[niblack89]

We know the kyuubi became anorexic because naruto took all its chakra but we still do not know if during bees training bee did exactly what naruto did we still don't know the details of what bee and chachibi di d or if anything happens after so we cannot say that the kyuubis chakra will restore itself naruto took all its chakra but we do not know if bee did the same seeing as he has to rely on hachibi for chakra

All Naruto did was separated the chakra from the will which Bee told him to do. They took different methods in doing so but they both did the same and seeing as the kyuubi has way more chakra than the hachibi I'm guessing the hachibi should have had way less than what the kyuubi had.

Bee took the same amount of chakra from the hachibi. I'm sure Bee ripped the chakra like Naruto did. He should have taken the same amount like Naruto I dough he took away half. What happened to the kyuubi happened to the hachibi. All that should have been left was his life energy, which apparently Naruto can't take because that should have came right along. The seal should have nothing to do with anything except the cage and probably the way Naruto looks. It was the ripping of chakra that left him with just life energy. Why is it so hard to believe especially since Bee took the hachibi's powers. We may get a flash back later.

[spunge]

I'm sorry, but this is the second time you've misinterpreted another members post. God knows what you misconstrue while reading the manga. The question at hand is the reasoning behind Kushina's candidacy for the Kyuubi jinchuuriki.

As for why Kushina was chosen, it could simply be that she was the best suitable for the job due to her chakra. Although there is a "rule" where a jinchuuriki is chosen by their relationship with a kage, there could be exceptions and it would make sense to give it to someone who is most capable of using such a monstrous force.


here's some evidence to support my claim. The hachibi looks normal no weight lost. As I said before they went through the same training and the result of that training should be the same meaning the hachibi was at some point anorexic. The kyuubi can assist Naruto in fight with his remaining chakra
There is absolutely no evidence that the chakra will return to the Kyuubi if the Kyuubi remains inside its prison. Showing a picture of a plump octopus is a fallacy of Composition/Spotlight Fallacy. Assumed content has no ground in logical reasoning.


By your claim sage mode should do the same thing releasing a large amount of chakra is used for regular genjutsu not extreme ones like Tsukyomi. Like I said having a partner by your side is the best way to release yourself from genjutsu. The kyuubi has plenty of chakra remaining and Naruto only caged the kyuubi because he wanted to finish the conversation with him mother before she left for good. Naruto could unseal the kyuubi and let it roam free. Its weakened a shell of what it was. The will can't do anything to Naruto, unsealing it is going to be a sign of trust.
The best way is not the only way. Saying that it is the most effective way does not mean it is the only way for things to go by. Going directly by the manga, there is no chakra remaining in the Kyuubi. Where the power came from to create the black sphere is something for Kishimoto to tell us, not for one to make up in order to further arguments. Furthermore, if the Kyuubi was no longer a threat, there would be no reason for Naruto to seal it once more. The act of sealing a creature is a sign that Naruto percieves a threat from the Kyuubi.


Bee controls his biju and was said to be one of few that controls other biju. Naruto doesn't control the kyuubi, all he did was take its chakra controlling a biju is using its will and chakra completely.
Classical connotation states otherwise. Kidnap victims are often controlled. Do they wish to be kidnapped? I think not. Their will is against the kidnapper although their condition is what most would be considered controlled. Full control does not mean that the will is also in unison with the controller.


True the kyuubi was using life energy but chakra restores itself. As I aid the hachibi has its chakra back Bee went through the same method take the chakra. Taking the chakra has nothing to do with the seals. I'm speculating but so are you to say the kyuubi is useless now that he is weakened but he just used a chakra ball that was twice his size and you have no prof that the chakra wont restore itself. Just saying it wont when I have proof it will is speculating more than I am.
So... much... fallacy...

[Jack Van Burace]

Imo, it wouldn't make any sense to just pull-out a Bijuu's current chakra. In order for the control to work, Naruto would have to take Kyuubi's chakra completely. And I mean by this that all the newly generated chakra will belong to Naruto also.

Both sides of Kyuubi are in Naruto's mind: the chakra and the will. But the will is now trapped, but the chakra is separated and free. And more than free, it has been mixed to Naruto's own chakra and will.

So what happened, imo, is that the formerly full Kyuubi has been resealed, leaving just its will locked up and its power outside of the seal. Naruto doesn't need to give in to it in order to attain its power anymore, as he won't need to open the seal anymore.

[420turtle]

does anyone else think it is odd that all most all of the pics people have done of naruto in his new form keep his face normal skin tone. I would keep his face the same as the rest of him. It's not like the cloak covered all of him but his face. Guess we will find out when an official color pics comes out.

[gangstalean]

Hello peeps
I am new to this forum so pardon my ignorance
I would like to share my view of the current naruto situation
1st naruto uzumaki is a distant relative of the senju clan which means he is the embodiment of the rikodu senin physical form
2nd it was previously stated that the seal used on naruto more advanced then the hachibi
3rd naruto also has the key to his seal
4th narutos seal was designed by the uzumaki clan who was said to use the most powerful seals thus their clan was destroyed and the remaining members were scattered among other villages
5th corect me if I am wrong but it was also stated that the seal minato used was incomplete and also unique
That was a little background
With all the facts in place it seems as though naruto seal was designed to evovle once naruto gained control over the kyubis power. At one point I believe jiraiya stated the seal minato created was incomplete. I believe The missing part of the seal minato intended required a great deal of chakra that he did not have. In knowing this minato sealed himself and half of the kyubis power with himself and the other with naruto. Transforming to 8 tails revived his fathers still chakra allowing him to complete his original seal b4 disappearing and giving the remains of his powers to naruto. If u notice th e seal left after his father disappeared is completely different than what it originally looked liked. The key jaraiya believe he had was not a key to release the seal but to unlock new potential powers never b4 seen by the shinobi world. The key can only be activated after naruto gained power over the kyubi. Kushina was their only to aid naruto should he be overtaken by the kyubis hatred thus she only appeared once naruto lost focus.

The new form showed is much like the references used in the chunin exams to show the flow of chakra. More or less kisshi is stating that narutos chakras are now overflowing through his entire body rather than just small amounts coarsing along fine points.

In other words narutos physical body of itself is even a form of power. Furthermore their is a ton of foreshadowing in the manga example one which would support my theory further is that saske is older than naruto. This paints a clear picture that sasuke is the representation of RS eldest son while naruto is the rep of the youngest. Secondly Madara says he can see HS in naruto which ties naruto to the senju clan.

Narutos new form will be much like when he fought diedra minus the tails. I think he will still take on fox characteristics like fangs nails etc but a orange glow n longer hair which will spike to look like fox ears.

Ne ways that was pretty long winded and partly incomplet but there it is

[niblack89]

Here is my theory.

Bee has the chakra he stole from the Hachibi in his training, just as Naruto does.

Only Bee's will didn't appear to as thoroughly overpower the Hachibi's, as was the case with Naruto vs the Kyuubi. This is why when Killer Bee uses the cloaked form, it looks the way it does. Pretty much exactly as it did back when we first saw Naruto use it against Sasuke.

My theory is that whenever bee uses all 8 chakra tails, that isn't the Hachibi's chakra -- it use to be, sure -- but it is no longer directly taken from the Hachibi when Bee uses it, regardless of the fact that we see the trademark chakra tails. That is chakra that now thoroughly belongs to Bee, and Bee alone.

However, where Bee is different is that he also uses the Hachibi itself, and can borrow power directly from the Hachibi to further augment the chakra he pulled out of the Hachibi during his training. This is where Bee's version 2 mode comes in, where he directly relies on power from the Hachibi itself. However, judging by how Bee made his remark about most of his chakra being absorbed -- so he needs to borrow some of the Hachibi's -- that to me indicates that Bee is capable of going version 2 on purely his chakra capacity alone, but didn't have the power necessary to do so because his chakra tails had already been absorbed multiple times by Kisame prior to his using version 2.

It is important to note that Killer Bee, according to the wording, did not solely use the Hachibi's chakra to enter into version 2, it's simply that he used SOME of the Hachibi's chakra.

For one, I still remember when the Hachibi said, that it took most of Bee's energy to summon his fully transformed state.

Bee is indeed using all of his beast's power. He's absolutely the perfect host. However, he seems to be a perfect host that is in complete harmony with his bijuu's mind as well.

Naruto's new form is more akin to Bee using his 8 chakra tails in version 1 mode, than it is comparable to any number of Bee's tails in version 2. However, even with that said, because Naruto is the Kyuubi Jinchuuruki, it's very possible that Naruto's version 1 is still significantly more powerful than Bee's version 2.

Bee's will just wasn't of the sort that he managed to so profoundly purify the chakra of the Hachibi, as Naruto did. Another factor that could play a role in that chakra remaining so pure, is that Naruto used that amazing sealing jutsu from the Rikudou Sennin.

I have another theory that Naruto may not be capable of doing partial transformations, or even transforming into the full Kyuubi transformation with how he uses the Kyuubi's chakra. However, he has gained traits that the Kyuubi itself possessed in using its chakra, just like Bee can use ink as a result of being the Hachibi Jinchuuruki, so I may be wrong in saying that Naruto can't do partial transformations, or even a full transformation right now. He may very well be capable of doing such a thing.

If he gained control of the Kyuubi's inherent abilities, then he should probably have the Kyuubi's physical form under his command as well.

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So, in conclusion, it basically appears that Bee, if things go bad, has a back up plan in the Hachibi itself -- who has clearly restored the power it lost after Bee defeated it -- to further grant him extra power. It would appear right now that Naruto doesn't have such a luxury, or perhaps he absolutely does because the Kyuubi has always offered up its power one way or the other when Naruto needed it.

Because what it all boils down to is that the Kyuubi -- whether he has to help Naruto or not, doesn't wish to lose.

Great theory.

As to the two different forms. Bee said himself that his iron seal was weaker than Naruto's 4 element seal. Maybe this is the side effects of it. Naruto's seal is a original design of the SO6P's seal. SO6P was a deity of the previous world, that's why Naruto looks majestic.

Bee's seal seems to take the hachibi's chakra. They seem to share chakra at some point. As seen when Naruto use to take chakra from the kyuubi, he and Bee shares the same form. Naruto took away the kyuubi's chakra and stored it. The kyuubi wont ever get his chakra back. Just like the kyuubi will never get half its chakra back from the death reaper its gone for good. Naruto is using version 1 and 2

I don't think Naruto could use the other kyuubi's chakra because he has only about less than 5% of what Naruto is using. Naruto can't use the full kyuubi form because well he's anorexic and half his original size. Its like a tiny hulk.

[elitefox]

I well hope that Naruto can summon it in use of battle lol

summon from your mind, that will be kinda awesome XD

[Zero Sama]

maybe the deference in naruto's Jinchuuruki mode and B's is because the fact that youndaime sealed QB Dark chakra inside himself and only put it's light side inside naruto while B has both part of hachibi chakra ... :eyeroll

[niblack89]

I was thing Naruto is filled with life energy enough to make even wood grow into trees. So can Naruto give life to a recently dead person

[jiraiyanindo]

For some reason, I keep thinking that Sasuke's new EMS will be able to supress the nine tails chakra even tho it belongs to Naruto. I thought after the battle it would be mixed with his chakra for him to use all the time as he does with his normal chakra but after seeing that he sectioned it off in a different place within his mind I cant help but think that Sasuke will somehow find a way to neutralize his use of this chakra. I hope I'm wrong. I would have liked it better if the kyuubi's chakra was just mixed with his own instead of sectioned off in a different place.

[blaise]

For some reason, I keep thinking that Sasuke's new EMS will be able to supress the nine tails chakra even tho it belongs to Naruto. I thought after the battle it would be mixed with his chakra for him to use all the time as he does with his normal chakra but after seeing that he sectioned it off in a different place within his mind I cant help but think that Sasuke will somehow find a way to neutralize his use of this chakra. I hope I'm wrong. I would have liked it better if the kyuubi's chakra was just mixed with his own instead of sectioned off in a different place.

I actually prefer that he set it up with his chakra and ninetails separate. This means that an enemy like a sharingan user can only take control of one or the other, not both at the same time. Tbh naruto already has ways of breaking such control. He can use fukasaku or shima in hermit mode to disturb his chakra. Even the ninetails would bail naruto out. Its not like it wants to naruto to die. Plus, i'm sure kyuubi can recognise sharingan or rather any foreign control of his chakra by now, seeing as he's encountered quite a few people who could put him in his place (uzumaki, uchiha, senju). Naruto setting things up the way he did just means that sharingan can't take control of both his and ninetails chakra at the same time. He has more options.

[Naruffy]

I think the difference between Bee and Naruto's form are due to the actual beast. While Bee has been seen cooperating with Hachibi, Naruto hasn't been seen cooperating with the Kyuubi

[Hojinmaru]

IDK, I think Naruto's new RSMode has much more potential then B's full transformation. The simple fact that Naruto has 100% control over what he does with the chakra to me seems better. There is no conversation about lending strength, etc. And as for the physical transformation. With that much chakra at his disposal, if he really wants to look like the kyuubi, all he has to do is a henge and he's there, just like he did with Gamabunta. The only aspects that he's lost with the new control is the hate that allowed his forms to poison and burn on touch, but at the same time he has gained full mental control of himself and new level of speed and tactical/spiritual insight via the new empathy. All and all I think it's a good thing, now he just needs to learn not to roll his ankle after ever kick >_>

[niblack89]

Bee's form seems to use portions of chakra at different times while Naruto is using 100% of the chakra. Bee seems have added the chakra with his own.

when he increases his chakra levels it's a new chakra tail. When hachibi's chakra is added he turns Version 2

[Hojinmaru]

The thing that I like about B's transformations, is that it is similar to the Akamichi clans abilities accept that he doesn't just enlarge his body, but actually can transform into parts of his beast form. Like with his hand in the last chapter. Of course I don't really see very much of an advantage for Naruto to transform parts of himself into the Kyuubi so that's moot. From what's been shown, both Naruto and B have 100% control over their beasts chakra, it's just how they go about controling it that's different. B works with his beast, while Naruto simply locked away the personality aspect.

[Mack]

Ok, we have seen quite a lot of story now in the manga (til chap 521).

And also we know that Kishi always makes something for a purpose.

And we also saw that new kyubi's chakra, that Naruto controls, is purely awesome and strong.

Ok, what will this chakra (not Naruto) achieve?

We have here many allies and enemies, and chakra, that is strong and is going to have great effect on something.

This good kyubi chakra also have an awesome living effect (Yamato's Mokuton monument growing up).

Here is the question: How will Naruto use this chakra (I'm not talking about Rikudou mode, chakra ball and others!!!)

How he will use this? (Like he used sage mode for tracking down Nagato. We did not know about that and yet it worked!)

Ok, my thoughts:

Two of them are connected to edo tensei:

First of them is the fact that Naruto will use the life giving kyubi chakra to ressurect the edo tensei.

Second is that kyubi chakra, stronger than rinnegan chakra, will take over the edo tensei summons (what is some snake chakra against kyubi chakra).

Third is that this kyubi good chakra will be healing alliance soldies.

Ok, so your opinions: What will be this weird chakra good for?

Ok,swtill it will be through Naruto, but we are talking about the fact, what will be this chakra good for, hmmm?

[ashher]

I believe the real purpose of this 'life force', inheritance from the younger son of Rikudo, is to defeat the eye jutsus the inheritance from the elder.