Air Gear Trick 282 Discussion/Trick 283 Predictions

[Carnevil]

Foolworm posted this link to the trick 282 raw.
http://u.115.com/file/f550a21b6b

[LoS]

Well, like many others will say, pretty disgustingly awesome final 2 page spread.

But, up until that page I was pretty bummed. Chapter was amusing I guess, but to me it was just annoying with Kaito. Didn't really want him to show up and help out to be honest.

Kind of bummed that 2 of the Grav Children King quality fighters will now be facing additional opponents. Also, was Flame Wyvern King Quality? If so that would be 1 down, and 2 more very shortly to follow.

[Carnevil]

I'm looking forward to seeing what Hangman can do. I can't give a shit less about the others. I expect a few of them to die in this arc.

We should start betting on who's going to die.

[LoS]

I'm looking forward to seeing what Hangman can do.

I think we all are. If you had to guess, who do you think he would fight(assuming it is a known Grav King)?


I can't give a shit less about the others. I expect a few of them to die in this arc

Hopefully, there needs to be some kind of tragedy. You can't just waltz into the enemy stronghold and expect to come out completely unscathed.

[Carnevil]

I think we all are. If you had to guess, who do you think he would fight(assuming it is a known Grav King)?



Hopefully, there needs to be some kind of tragedy. You can't just waltz into the enemy stronghold and expect to come out completely unscathed.

I'd laugh if he took over the battle with Nue and turned out to be Blackburn. But it'll probably be one of the many unknowns hopefully one of Genesis' kings.

My guess is nobody will die until Nike shows up and starts the killing off right.

[Waking_Dreamer]

Ok chapter.

Reinforcements mainly seem like fodder though. Hangman is the only one Im interested in seeing fight from the new additions really.

So it seems Ringo and the Storm Regalia are going to be the last ones to arrived. I guess Nike is supposed to rapestomp these new guys just in time for Ringo and the Storm Reg to join the party, and for Koga to band together and save Rika and then leave the ship...there seems to be a lot more to happen in this arc...?

[Carnevil]

Ok chapter.

Reinforcements mainly seem like fodder though. Hangman is the only one Im interested in seeing fight from the new additions really.

So it seems Ringo and the Storm Regalia are going to be the last ones to arrived. I guess Nike is supposed to rapestomp these new guys just in time for Ringo and the Storm Reg to join the party, and for Koga to band together and save Rika and then leave the ship...there seems to be a lot more to happen in this arc...?

No the storm regalia will be built on the ship during the fight with Nike. Also they have to rescue Rika long before Ringo and the others arrive.

[LoS]

Know it wont happen, but wouldn't it be crazy if the Storm Regalia would be made from parts of Nike's Regalia AT's say after Ringo/Ikki/HangMan defeat him?

[Carnevil]

Know it wont happen, but wouldn't it be crazy if the Storm Regalia would be made from parts of Nike's Regalia AT's say after Ringo/Ikki/HangMan defeat him?

Nike's regalia is nothing but Kiric's old regalia. Those parts really wouldn't work in the Storm Regalia. I'm hoping that they make it back in time to give the regalia back to Kiric.

Just so people understand why Ringo won't make it in time to save Rika.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/air_gear/v28/c262/18.html

[LoS]

Nike's regalia is nothing but Kiric's old regalia. Those parts really wouldn't work in the Storm Regalia.

I already know that, but why wouldn't they work? Surely there are some original parts worth keeping for Ikki's new Regalia.


I'm hoping that they make it back in time to give the regalia back to Kiric

Why would they ever let this happen? They are Koga's opponents afterall, weakening their strongest member is obviously a smart thing to do, but oh wait I forgot. This is the story with retarded characters, where they do dumb shit constantly, lol :p

[Waking_Dreamer]

I dont think Nike will lose the regalia...if he does than in essence it will be Sora vs the world. In the final battle they will either have to defeat Nike and Sora together, or Nike will be the gate keeper for those who want to challenge Sora...

[Chaos Shadow]

interestig chapter... but about who are going to fight Nike.. ( even if Koga battles as a team, thing that i love hehe) BUt Kazu wants to fight Nike as hard as Ikki wants to fight Sora... it was showed many times and it was funny cuz Nike reactions :P but well i seriously Hope to see kazu fighting him ( with the flame regalia of course)

[Carnevil]

interestig chapter... but about who are going to fight Nike.. ( even if Koga battles as a team, thing that i love hehe) BUt Kazu wants to fight Nike as hard as Ikki wants to fight Sora... it was showed many times and it was funny cuz Nike reactions :P but well i seriously Hope to see kazu fighting him ( with the flame regalia of course)

And Kazu will die in about five seconds. Kazu's road isn't the road you use against Nike. His tricks won't work against him, just because he wants to fight him doesn't mean he should.

[LoS]

I dont think Nike will lose the regalia...if he does than in essence it will be Sora vs the world. In the final battle they will either have to defeat Nike and Sora together, or Nike will be the gate keeper for those who want to challenge Sora...

Isn't it already gonna be Sora vs. all of Sleeping Forest minus Ringo?

I have always assumed that Sora would win and Koga would have to face him in the finals...

[Carnevil]

Isn't it already gonna be Sora vs. all of Sleeping Forest minus Ringo?

I have always assumed that Sora would win and Koga would have to face him in the finals...

Well Koga already has a win against Sora if Ikki uses his storm, Sora's entire road stops working. I always thought Kiric would be a better opponent since Ikki's storm won't work against him. But it won't happen it's gotta be cliche shonen ending.

[suarhnir]

oyos

i can't read the chinese... but these are the highlights:

- kaito was the one to save agito... not intentionally from akira's reaction, just a random lucky shot and arthur protects shalott from the blast.

- ikki is distracted and nue gets in a hit, taeko i'm assuming mentions how reinforcements have arrived.

- kaito boards the ship from the hole he made in the wall... a battle of 'seme-ness' and kaito takes a cheap shot with a steel beam at shalott

- the rest of the reinforcements come (the riders that aeon called out to) which now confirms an all out battle royale, and that the time in which aeon gathered these riders was earlier than when ttt/ringo headed out (likely just as aeon was heading over to koga to pick them up and head to the ship)

i'm also looking forward to seeing what hanged man can do... as well as falco despite his pot belly (that looks to be hidden) and gimped leg...

[Carnevil]

Falco is going to try and throw a fang and either break his hip or throw his back out.

[Beldin]

Isn't it already gonna be Sora vs. all of Sleeping Forest minus Ringo?
Sora lost to kilik alone, and kilik is the strongest and gifted gravity children of the past generation

vs all the sf, it will be an overkill

[Carnevil]

Sora lost to kilik alone, and kilik is the strongest and gifted gravity children of the past generation

vs all the sf, it will be an overkill

Yeah but Sora has magic legs now, that'll help him win. Plus OG needs to have Ikki be the big hero and save the world.


Lol. I just want to point out I called this chapter in an early post. I mentioned that OG was following the rescue arc handbook and that the heroes would start to lose then get saved by reinforcements.

[LoS]

Sora is top dog, he's been getting stronger and more sinister since then. Plus like above stated he had those legs, meanwhile Kilic doesn't even have his Regalia anymore.

[Beldin]

kilik get a lot stronger too, for years he was in the tower and has continued to train to protect the sky regalia, and at least, he has the sub-regalia like all the sf

kilik has always been the most gifted and powerful, and also his road is the better to fight the wind road, just like he says to mikkan

[Carnevil]

kilik get a lot stronger too, for years he was in the tower and has continued to train to protect the sky regalia, and at least, he has the sub-regalia like all the sf

kilik has always been the most gifted and powerful, and also his road is the better to fight the wind road, just like he says to mikkan

As much as I'd love for OG to have Kiric rip Sora's balls off and feed them to him. It's not going to happen OG is following typical shonen cliche so Ikki has to save the world. So with that Sora will win with some new trick or Sora's magic legs will help him.

Is it possible that OG will not do typical shonen cliche yeah anything is possible but since AG has hit almost all shonen cliche's I don't see it happening.

[suarhnir]

kilik get a lot stronger too, for years he was in the tower and has continued to train to protect the sky regalia, and at least, he has the sub-regalia like all the sf

kilik has always been the most gifted and powerful, and also his road is the better to fight the wind road, just like he says to mikkan

oyos

its not that kiric was the 'most gifted and powerful' but that he was (among the 1st gen from the tower) to be as good in or out of the tower/forest aka his abilities were equal to when he was in zero grav or in normal grav. all the other old sf members were better in zero gravity then in normal gravity, which means that kiric had an advantage against sora when they fought 6 years ago. its also a given that the sonia rider (rika/ringo) is the strongest inside the tower, but take away the thorn queen and add in a more capable rider due to the zero grav... and suddenly we no longer know who exactly would have been the stronger rider.

bottom line, kiric isn't the 'strongest' of the bunch, merely the only old sf rider who had equal standings in our out of the tower. also, it was never verified yet in the manga as to who was best inside the tower after the thorn queen.

[Beldin]

when they were kids, the guys who runned the experiments of the gravity children wanted to kill everything but kilik, because they considered them a failure. this means that kilik has more talent than anyone in the first generation

As much as I'd love for OG to have Kiric rip Sora's balls off and feed them to him. It's not going to happen OG is following typical shonen cliche so Ikki has to save the world. So with that Sora will win with some new trick or Sora's magic legs will help him.

Is it possible that OG will not do typical shonen cliche yeah anything is possible but since AG has hit almost all shonen cliche's I don't see it happening.
i'm not saying that SF will win. i agree that kogarasumaru will save the day. i'm saying that for sora that will be a very hard battle, because kilik is a beast. even more if they fight in the forest

also, if you look at the other manga og OG, Tenjou Tenge, we have a similar situation, because we have 3 groups:

-Jyukenbuu (kogarasumaru): the main charachters and heroes
-Mitsuomi and the Executive Group (Sleeping Forest): at the beginning they seems enemies of Jyukenbuu but in the end they are rivals and friends with different ideas and goals
-Sohaku Kago and his followers (Sora, Nike and the others): the REAL villan of the story

in the end, the first 2 groups became allies to defeat the third, just like we see in Air Gear with the bond between Kogarasumaru and Sleeping Forest

[suarhnir]

when they were kids, the guys who runned the experiments of the gravity children wanted to kill everything but kilik, because they considered them a failure. this means that kilik has more talent than anyone in the first generation

i'm not saying that SF will win. i agree that kogarasumaru will save the day. i'm saying that for sora that will be a very hard battle, because kilik is a beast. even more if they fight in the forest

also, if you look at the other manga og OG, Tenjou Tenge, we have a similar situation, because we have 3 groups:

-Jyukenbuu (kogarasumaru): the main charachters and heroes
-Mitsuomi and the Executive Group (Sleeping Forest): at the beginning they seems enemies of Jyukenbuu but in the end they are rivals and friends with different ideas and goals
-Sohaku Kago and his followers (Sora, Nike and the others): the REAL villan of the story

in the end, the first 2 groups became allies to defeat the third, just like we see in Air Gear with the bond between Kogarasumaru and Sleeping Forest

oyos

no, kiric was one of a couple of 1st gen who were not deemed 'failures' (it didn't even seem like it was the decision of any single scientist, more like a group discussion). all of old sf (and nike) with the exception of kiric were part of the 'failures' but om, gabi, nina, and the head wrapped guy were not failures (and even among them, kiric was still the one who still had equal abilities in and out of tower)

and of course sora is going to win because that's the basic formula for such shounen mangas, to allow the main hero to save the day... and sora has his 'magic' legs~ lol

[Beldin]

in the other OG manga, the final villan was defeted after an 1 vs all battle, not by the hero

no, kiric was one of a couple of 1st gen who were not deemed 'failures' (it didn't even seem like it was the decision of any single scientist, more like a group discussion). all of old sf (and nike) with the exception of kiric were part of the 'failures' but om, gabi, nina, and the head wrapped guy were not failures (and even among them, kiric was still the one who still had equal abilities in and out of tower)
no, all the first generation are failure with the exeption of kilik. even om, gabishi and the other it is clearly stated that all of them are failures

and spitfire said that kilik was the strongest of the original king, not because he had equal abilities in and out the tower. he is the strongest, PLUS he had qual abilities in and out. 2 different statement

[Carnevil]

Why are you debating this, it doesn't matter. Kiric could shoot fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning out his ass and he'd still lose, plus this has nothing to do with this chapter.

So to get back on topic, lets discuss what Hangman's road is going to be? Or who exactly is Hangman and how does he know Kiric.

[suarhnir]

oyos

sorry carnevil, but i have to debate it because its a matter of what has already been established....

@beldin (since you aren't accepting any pm):

the original text found in volume 18 page 17:
spitfire:
キリクは・・・ [kiric...]
強いよ [is strong]
「眠りの森」の誰よりも [because among those in 'sleeping forest'-]

１Gの世界でも「重力子」としての戦闘能力を失わない唯一の男だからね [he is the only one who's fighting capabilites are not diminished even in {1G}regular gravity as a 'gravity child'

on page 59
sora:
ワイも・・・おまえも・・・いや [me... and you... no-]
旧「眠りの森」のメンバーはあのキリク以外みんな入っとったんやで・・・宙 [all of the old 'sleeping forest' members, with the exception of kiric, were on that {list}]

and then on page 60
sora:
もしあん時・・・「眠りの森」が [if only at that time... 'sleeping forest'-]

最高の王だけの最強のメンバーで集まっとったら・・[had gathered just the strongest of the best kings..]

both spitfire and sora acknowledge only that kiric was the best among old 'sleeping forest' and sora admits that the old sf members were on the 'disposal list' except for kiric who was 'the most capable of the grav kids'. sora later implies that if old sf was composed of the other 'non-failed' grav kids, his plans for claiming the sky regalia would have worked because it would have been the strongest formation of members.

spitfire gauging kiric's strength is relative but he doesn't necessarily say 'he is the strongest' just that 'he is strong' and sora saying in his little storytelling in that part of the story only says that kiric was 'the most capable (in skills)'. om, gabi and the rest were never explicity described as being on the 'disposal list' (those who were on the list that sora ever refered to were among the old sf members) and sora implies that the grav kids who didn't join old sf were 'non-failures/stronger'.

getting back on topic... hanged-man... on civil terms with kiric, but i personally don't think he is a grav kid because there was roughly a dozen of 1st gen grav kids who escaped the tower (to which we have seen 12; 8 from old sf if you count simca and rune, then another 4 which is om, gabi, nina and head wrap guy). i'm still leaning (only slightly though) that he was a former contender in the gst and got to the finals (and hasn't entered again since then). i had also originally thought he could be a possible rising road; using magnetism to stick to the ceiling... until nott-dagr did it on the plane in the match with koga, which shot down that idea.

[Aizen Sora]

Air Gear 281 & 282 Eng (Thanks to abcd9146 for the public translation.)

http://ssafan-sub.blogspot.com/2010/06/air-gear-281-282-eng.html

[Carnevil]

Might be fake, might not be

イッキの元に集った援軍に対し
Itsuki's bunch of allies gather around him
鵺は子供たちを使い雷雪の巨人で襲い掛かる
Nue and co. attack with a thunder/snow giant
それらを見ながらリンゴ・枢・ベンケイら第3陣が突撃
Ringo, Kururu and Benkei arrive as a third round of intruders
次号休載
No chapter next week
これがあるだけで本バレに見える
That's it from Barre

That's got to be fake I mean Ringo was over an hour away from the ship when they left. http://www.1000manga.com/Air_Gear/266/01/
Rika only had 29 minutes before she died. http://www.1000manga.com/Air_Gear/262/19/ It was 20 minutes to get to the aircraft carrier so that makes it 29 minutes before she died.

So is OG planning on pulling a RETCON?

[sarutobi_sensei]

GOD! Shit's about to get real!

Kaito appearing out of nowhere was so freaking awesome :D

And he fired a frigging missile against the ship! xD

Can't wait for the next one.

[suarhnir]

oyos

so akira is still a minor? (he's still under 20 yrs...) lol~ i figured there would be some sort of mention about the implications of kaito as the police attacking a 'us aircraft carrier'