Naruto Shippuden Episode 166 Discussion

[Drago]

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Summary : Fukasaku and Shima fall in battle, leaving Naruto open to be captured by Tendo Pain. Just when all is thought to be lost, Hinata, who was following the battle with her Byakugan, steps in to face Pain.

[CBlitz]

it was pretty good. Most of it was flashback but it was well done. The scene with Hinata fighting Pain was great and the end was pretty emotional. Great episode, probably the best we've had so far in the arc. It wasn't action-packed like 85 or 123 though, but it was still up there with rest of the awesome episodes. Though I think they went a little overboard with Pain Shinra Tensei-ing Hinata lol, he threw her around like a ragdoll for quite a bit >__>

anyway the preview looks awesome, thought there was no shot of KN6 >__<

[CBlitz]

oh yeah forgot to mention that they pushed NaruHina quite hard in this episode :p

[matsemann08]

CrunchySubs 480p torrent link (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=139214)

[Asclepius]

REAL 720p - http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=139216

[Tamata]

I enjoyed this episode even though it was full of flashbacks. When Naruto saw Hinata hurt...the music sent a chill down my spine. Awesome stuff.

Kudos to Pain using the push and pull like that lol.

[Cobra826]

ep 166 stream

http://www.animeavenue.net/naruto-shippuuden-episode-166/

http://www.thenarutoshippuuden.com/naruto-shippuuden-episode-166/

[Drago]

Online streaming anywhere?....

Episode first 3 mins
http://www.crunchyroll.com/media-542496/naruto-shippuden-166/

Already added check the first post :D

[Gats]

Bad : it was mainly filler.

Good : the filler was pretty good.


Frankly, after watching this, Naruto ignoring her after such a thing would kill any NaruHina fan who only watch anime. Is Suzuki a huge fan of Hinata to the point to NOT anime Naruto's fight ?

[gh0un]

One of the best episodes of the entire series. Well done.

[Mortific]

Frankly, after watching this, Naruto ignoring her after such a thing would kill any NaruHina fan who only watch anime. Is Suzuki a huge fan of Hinata to the point to NOT anime Naruto's fight ?

There's numerous reasons for that. Not only is a moment that could be dragged out with filler (related filler) and actually become even better. But the amount of focus on Hinata, even the non-joking omake at the end helps to really sell the impression that she's dead. More than I can say for all the other relatively big characters who didn't get squat when they "died", which should spell it out for some viewers that this really isn't the last we see of them. Plus, after such an awesomely impactful moment, it would really be messy to include fighting for the heck of it at the end, don't you agree? ^^

[matsemann08]

This was really good ^^
9/10 for me :D
One of the best non (almost) fighting centered episodes of Shippuuden.
Next weeks episode looks good too, probably Minato at the end.

[EnvyOS]

Is it bad that I started laughing when Pain did the last Shina Tensei?

Overall good episode, aside from the fillers.

Next week: Pure epicness.

[Evalis]

Registered just to say this, greatest NARUTO episode period..

[allendsup23]

Downloading the episode. From the comments it looks like this episode is very good. So they covered only one chapter in this episode. Did they drag Hinata vs Pain? I hope not.
Well so next episode is gonna rock as it will have super animation with cool fight scenes. cant wait for it :-)

[Exodi]

Finally~~~, a good episode. One that was actually able to watch from beginning to end.
This episode's definitely a keeper. I think I almost shed a tear. But being the manly man I am, my eyes wouldn't let that happen (though I really wanted to ).

Loved the flashbacks. They added to the drama; heightened the emotion.
Hinata looked so badass when she was charging up her technique. And even more badass when she was all "my ninja way...." I liked what they did the her trying to break off Pain's....sticks (is there a name for those...?).

And she looked rather pretty during that last Shinra Tensei. As if she were dancing instead of being thrown around by some invisible force. Go Hinata, go.

These past few episodes show that to get to the really good stuff, you have to suffer through utter crap.

And the next episode looks good, too? Something ain't right here. :D

[benelori]

I liked Hinata's movements, but this kind of animation only suits battle scenes...Naruto's face was so deformed...that's it about the animation

But the episode itself was great...Naruto saving Hinata from bullying boys...all those eye contacts...this episode will be remembered even by NaruSaku fans :D

It was a bit of a disappointment that they didn't show Kyuubi in the next episode's preview, but I guess, what's best shouldn't be shown...

Great episode loved it a lot, what I thought about was that technique Hinata did...it's interesting how is this a different technique then any other Tenketsu closin Jyuuken techniuq seen so far...I still don't know

[Exodi]

I liked Hinata's movements, but this kind of animation only suits battle scenes...Naruto's face was so deformed...that's it about the animation

I do remember thinking Naruto looked like a Disney character a couple of times.

[DARK]

It was expected that flashbacks and filler would be placed in this episode, because the Hinata scene only lasts so long in terms of manga.
Next episode should be a lot better than this.

[Alterno]

:mad

Today episode was animated by the team of Narusaku fans... Hinata fled so much... well animated, very hard watch as fan of Hinata... :(

I can see taka fansub msg "hinata flies high"... :(

[LeDuck]

Well, they certainly did answer the question "How much fanservice can you put into one episode?".

Contra

- About 10 pages of the manga
- Most of the episode was filler
- I think the scene was done better in the manga, the different close-ups of Naruto's eyes, Hinata not standing a chance in any kind of way and getting killed seconds after confessing, so Naruto didn't have a chance to react.

Pro

- Good animation
- Decent soundtrack
- More background story for Hinata

This episode won't be really interesting for people, who don't care about pairings (on the other side the targeted group will be very happy about it), so for me it was kinda boring to watch. I feared a little bit that it would work out that way, but great animation isn't doing any good on episodes, who are mostly filler and have little to no action. I know it has been said often enough, but why is Naruto's entrance rushed and animated horrible and a Naru / Hina filler episode is super slow paced with great animation? So far the pain arc is a huge disappointment, hopefully the next episodes are interesting enough to watch them more than once.

[Evalis]

When Hinata was crawling towards Naruto it was heart wrenching. The Shinra Tensei's actually had a feeling of pure force and power like in the manga that hasn't been portrayed so well in previous episodes.

Music was great, animation was great. This episode is one of the very few that actually does it better then the manga in some aspects.

Naruto's expressions of pure terror and shock were great aswell.

[arnold ronald]

awesome episode....
the best episode so far !!! :D
I like when hinata slap tendo's face...

next episode should be awesome... :amuse
hope the next episode has many filler battle like this !!!! :o

can i rate 20/10 ??

[juUnior]

I just skipped through online streaming till Hinata vs Pain scene, and I must say its - of course - well done. I thought about saying sth like "its better than in manga" <and probably with flashbacks it could be for anyone who is anime fan only>, but there were some minor things which were UBER in manga, and they didn't even do that in anime. I know, they are just details, but still. And so:
- the first thing was "I love you" from Hinata:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/12/
They could just animate the first panel with her mouth and hair moving etc. and it would be great. In anime they did just "I love you" by Hinata standing, cut out the scene, then <good one> animated fighting stance of Hinata and fight. In the manga she's already at the stance and SHOCK of Naruto by hearing the "I love you" as AFTER that; in anime she didn't even mention anything beside her monologue, and they put that SHOCK panel BEFORE "I love you". I would accept that if they put after "I love you" another SHOCK expression of Naruto, but they didn't. So.. yeah, minor details, but still, in manga its.. "cooler"?
- the second one is this <bottom panels and the next page>:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/13/
I just freakin LOVED how Pain, before stabbing Hinata, looked with those eyes on Naruto and then stabbed her. In anime he just stabbed her without that "detail". Sad, because it was just epic and I'm shocked they didn't do that : (

Aside from that: I don't mind prolonged skirmish between Hinata and Pain, it was quite cool to watch, and it STILL showed the difference in power between Hinata and Deva Path - Hinata was just more brutally kicked around while Pain more used his special techniques, that's all. Cool to see Hinata trying to hit Pain with her new technique, which looks nice.
Also worth to note the "cliffhanger" scene: man, what a climate for anime fan only, even better than in 437 chapter manga with showing Naruto <without spoilers> in that "mode".
btw. aha, I noticed chibi Hinata - looks so cute <3

Judging from what I saw: good episode, as expected.

btw2. Mortific, good analysis on "selling" stuff, hyhy ^^

[Jaegger]

Great episode. Loved the drama and Hinata finally convinced ^^

I usually don't complain but Naruto's face was horribly deformed lol.

Anyone also noticed a moment with Zetsu in the background or am I seeing things? :p

http://i45.tinypic.com/2efrne0.png

[Evalis]

I agree with you juUnoir or most of your points, however I believe when Hinata was crawling towards Naruto trying to pull out that last rod looking right in his eyes, at that point I thought it surpassed the manga on pure emotional value. And I'm not even a NaruHina fan..
[hr]

Great episode. Loved the drama and Hinata finally convinced ^^

I usually don't complain but Naruto's face was horribly deformed lol.

Anyone also noticed a moment with Zetsu in the background or am I seeing things? :p

http://i45.tinypic.com/2efrne0.png

That was Fat Pain, that had been turned into a stone frog, remember :p

[Alterno]

Come on.. i don't know how people would rate this episode with a 5 of 10, when the animation was so much better, the filler weren't crappy as most of the recent filler, however they cut a few parts of this chapter, like Hinata's flashback of Naruto training.

I think this an episode that even Narusaku fans would enjoy as she is getting hit hard and stabbed ever harder than in the manga, I know they like to see Hinata in pain...

The episode was awesome, hard to watch as Hinata fan, but awsome. And the way the Kyuubi looks, awesome and the animation at the end, using that color at end, surely will terrify those who only watch the anime, but won't spoil you out.


:P

[soulbane_zp]

I don't get this. For the intense fight scenes of this arc we get crap animation, but for a filler episode we get the good animation. What kind of logic Pierrot is using :blink.

This is a fight manga/anime, not a shoujo one. The fight scenes and Naruto entrance should be animated with this kind of quality, not some filler flashbacks and talking.

It was a good episode, I'm just slightly frustrated they used this animation team for this.

[Evalis]

Also what I liked in this Episode that wasn't in the manga is when Nagato coughed up blood which allowed Hinata to get a bitch slap in, even Naruto was like, holy shit wtf!?

[Gats]

There's numerous reasons for that. Not only is a moment that could be dragged out with filler (related filler) and actually become even better. But the amount of focus on Hinata, even the non-joking omake at the end helps to really sell the impression that she's dead. More than I can say for all the other relatively big characters who didn't get squat when they "died", which should spell it out for some viewers that this really isn't the last we see of them. Plus, after such an awesomely impactful moment, it would really be messy to include fighting for the heck of it at the end, don't you agree? ^^
I know, but I was just wondering how the NaruHina anime fans would react in the future after watching this.

But for now, for any fan who doesn't read the manga it was really good.

[Alterno]

I don't get this. For the intense fight scenes of this arc we get crap animation, but for a filler episode we get the good animation. What kind of logic Pierrot is using :blink.

This is a fight manga/anime, not a shoujo one. The fight scenes and Naruto entrance should be animated with this kind of quality, not some filler flashbacks and talking.

Agree, but as you might know, it depends on who did the animation, pierrot is not the only one working on it, in fact pierrot is mostly do production, there are like 12 companies working on it, one for backgrounds, one for characters, in between animation, sound, etc but from time and time they switch, pretty sure this time was nara who got the characters right, although like someone said Naruto did look like character that Disney would draw.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7293

[Bohemia22]

Heartwarming. If I hadn't read the manga before, I'd probably get stoned to the chair big time by the end. Anyway, this director seems like he's the only one who knows how to do his job properly and he actually puts some <3 into what he does. I just wish he cared more about Pain's hand. It's actually pretty important.

[juUnior]

however I believe when Hinata was crawling towards Naruto trying to pull out that last rod looking right in his eyes, at that point I thought it surpassed the manga on pure emotional value.
Yeah, its a good part, indeed. 'On pure emotional value' it probably surpassed the manga, but still, if at least that detail with "eyes" of Pain looking upon Naruto and then stab thingy would be done as in the manga, it would be even +9000 more in "pure emotional value" of this episode methinks.

[soulbane_zp]

Agree, but as you might know, it depends on who did the animation, pierrot is not the only one working on it, in fact pierrot is mostly do production, there are like 12 companies working on it, one for backgrounds, one for characters, in between animation, sound, etc but from time and time they switch, pretty sure this time was nara who got the characters right, although like someone said Naruto did look like character that Disney would draw.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7293

yeah, but I guess the studio says which animation team will work on which episode?

This episode would've been great with mediocre animation. The part that needed this kind of animation was Naruto fighting Pain. I mean cmn, the taijitsu battle looked ridiculous, along with FRS. Talking and flashbacks is just a waste of a good animation team.

[Evalis]

Yeah, its a good part, indeed. 'On pure emotional value' it probably surpassed the manga, but still, if at least that detail with "eyes" of Pain looking upon Naruto and then stab thingy would be done as in the manga, it would be even +9000 more in "pure emotional value" of this episode methinks.

I did love the way pain stares right at Naruto just as he "kills" Hinata in the manga so I agree that was better done.

[Alterno]

yeah, but I guess the studio says which animation team will work on which episode?

This episode would've been great with mediocre animation. The part that needed this kind of animation was Naruto fighting Pain. I mean cmn, the taijitsu battle looked ridiculous, along with FRS. Talking and flashbacks is just a waste of a good animation team.

I guess so... and you are right they do decide who works on the episodes, checking around the web, the best animated episodes are those were Nara is involved, like Shikamaru's especial episode, etc.

Maybe decided to switch stdio after watching how crappy were the 2 first episode.

[Natoma]

Is it just me or does the next episode look like it is animated by the same team that did this episode?

[Evalis]

Is it just me or does the next episode look like it is animated by the same team that did this episode?

The next episode is being done by Watabayashi, hes the guy who animated the classic Naruto vs Sasuke fight

[David Gill]

BAKA BAKA! Damn this episode almost made me cry and i'm about to give the mofo who animated this a whooping 8/10. 8/10 for making me cry alone. lol
But too much filler involved imo, though Hinata crawling upto Naruto was heart breaking...
Hope this quality of animation is carried through unitl the end of the fight.

[maideth]

7/10 for the emotional part :) and i loved the fillers tbh

[DarkAp89]

9/10 only because I agree with the JuUnior's points and because Naruto is bad drawing in 70% of the scenes.

The 10 is reserved for the next one.

[UCHIHA JOHN]

Really great episode animation artwork and direction and the next one will be crazy probably but i just can't figure out why making 3 shitty sage mode episodes which are the best naruto moments in shippuuden and then putting the best animation in a hinata episode and even if the next one will be freaking awesome we will still not gonna se naruto but kyubi action damn i just wanna see a little awesome animated naruto but the next one will be mindblowing.

[jebebs]

Hinata's ugly haircut didn't look that bad this episode, i like it !

[Boomi]

Heartbraking episode but the faces were drawn very weird in some scenes.

[3c]

I didn't really buy this episode at all. It gets some positive points for excellent portray of Hinata's "battle" and at the same time staying true to the manga, plus the canon flashbacks, brutal stabbing and preview. But the rest was too cheesy and awkward for me. Let me explain. This would have been INCREDIBLY well done had Hinata actually been a long time girlfriend or love interest for Naruto, because it sure was emotional. But as things stand now, Naruto for all we know doesn't really care for Hinata the same way as she cares for him. In that sense this episode completely blew up the canon script and added details that may not fit at all. It all just seemed too awkward for me, for them to suddenly have this huge pairing episode out of the blue. The manga handled this way better in my opinion, as it kept it short, and without all the cheesy and misleading moments. Let's pretend that the manga had been building up for this more than it has, by Hinata being more involved, talking more to Naruto and the two of them in general having had more scenes together, then this would be epic and a perfect match. But as it was now it was way too much.

The episode as a whole was excellent though. But as I've said it was awkward and highly rebellious towards the manga. Fillers are always awesome with Suzuki as he adds fillers that fit with the canon script, in this episode however many of them didn't. It only gets a 6 or 7/10 from me, sorry. But this episode was far from epic in my eyes. Just for the record I'm neither NaruHina nor NaruSaku, I'm indifferent. Oh, and I felt sorry for Hinata, she got a lot of beating in this episode.

NEXT EPISODE LOOKS FREAKING AWESOME!! I loved the scenes when Naruto walks like a zombie with fire red eyes.

[David Gill]

I agree with above after second viewing. The hinata filler seems out of place especially considering that Naruto + Hinata havent had much development in shipudden.

[Googlez_kun]

No,i have not cried...no...:scry

Hinata! :crying

[3c]

To add to my above post, the rest of Konoha looked like complete morons by Hinata being down there so long. In the manga it was like Hinata was down there for one, max two minutes. But in this episode the rest of Konoha were basically just watching the show. In the manga it was plausible that none else came to Naruto's rescue as they may not have had time to react, but in this one it was like they sat down and ate popcorn while watching a soap opera, haha. Many of them even have Hyuuga among them.

Hyuuga guy: Ah, Hinata is fighting and confessing her love to Naruto! And Naruto is pinned down to the ground by iron rods!
Gamakichi: Damn, where's the popcorn?
Sakura: Maybe we should help too? On a second thought, naaaah.
*5 minutes pass*
Hyuuga guy: Oh lol, she's so dying guys! She's bleeding like crazy now and crawling slowly towards Naruto! How emotional!
Gamakichi: Oh, I'm all out of popcorn. Should we perhaps help out too?
Sakura: Hold on, I want to see if Pain kills her or not.
*2 minutes pass*
Hyuuga guy: Pain brutally slammed her down and stabbed her, she's dead guys!
Sakura: Yoosh! Let's g-
Kyuubi: RAWR!
Sakura: Too late, lol.

[Animenical]

This episode was one of the few in this arc I really disliked. No need to talk about the animation, it was perfect. But, as this episode - like Deidara vs Sasuke - clearly showed, animation is not all. Does it really not disturb anyone that Pain looked like a towel when he evaded Hinata's attacks? Or that his facial expressions could have been replaced by a sheet of paper? Or that Naruto's face looked laughable most of the time?
Fillerwise, Pain Shinra Tenseiing Hinata was fine, but I really could have done without the dull, lame, cliché Naruto rescuing Hinata story, it was abyssmal. I really don't get how the animators can devote an entire episode and a whole lot of money to a background character that's practically been ignored by Kishi since Neji vs Hinata.
For me, the only great scene was Pain killing Hinata, they managed to make this moment really intense, but except for that I thought the episode was just a demonstration of great animation and nothing else.
The preview for the next episode looks like the artstyle won't change much, unfortunately. Just look at Pain initiating CT.

I don't know, maybe some consider it art, but I just don't really like it much when characters look like this:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/139/naruto107mp4000346012.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4392/naruto107mp4000329662.jpg

[Googlez_kun]

This episode was one of the few in this arc I really disliked. No need to talk about the animation, it was perfect. But, as this episode - like Deidara vs Sasuke - clearly showed, animation is not all. Does it really not disturb anyone that Pain looked like a towel when he evaded Hinata's attacks? Or that his facial expressions could have been replaced by a sheet of paper? Or that Naruto's face looked laughable most of the time?
Fillerwise, Pain Shinra Tenseiing Hinata was fine, but I really could have done without the dull, lame, cliché Naruto rescuing Hinata story, it was abyssmal. I really don't get how the animators can devote an entire episode and a whole lot of money to a background character that's practically been ignored by Kishi since Neji vs Hinata.
For me, the only great scene was Pain killing Hinata, they managed to make this moment really intense, but except for that I thought the episode was just a demonstration of great animation and nothing else.
The preview for the next episode looks like the artstyle won't change much, unfortunately. Just look at Pain initiating CT.

I don't know, maybe some consider it art, but I just don't really like it much when characters look like this:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/139/naruto107mp4000346012.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/naruto107mp4000346012.jpg/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4392/naruto107mp4000329662.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/i/naruto107mp4000329662.jpg/)

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Deidara looks completely fine to me O_o
Sasuke,i must admit,looks a bit weird in that one,but i prefer excellent and smooth animation with some rare bad drawings that you only see if you pause over stiff animation with bad drawings...

[sarutobi_sensei]

I didn't like it like I thought I would.

When Hinata said: I really like you, she should've said, I love you directly.

Also, Naruto showed nothing, no expression, on the manga he is shocked.

Some of the animation parts were awful. Really awful. But other were nice.

[LanderZ]

I was just thinking back to the manga when I was watching this, and my first thought was "Man, wouldn't it have been smarter for Hinata to try to get Naruto free than head-on fight Pain?"


Clever animators. You got me, this time...

[Googlez_kun]

I really hope that Kishimoto watched this episode,grapped a pen and wrote down some NaruHina stuff.:pleased

[CBlitz]

Some of the animation parts were awful. Really awful. But other were nice.

nah, animation was solid throughout. Sure the art was kinda sketchy at times but it wasn't that bad. Are you sure you're not confusing the two?

[Googlez_kun]

Found this on NF lol
http://i47.tinypic.com/34qs87k.jpg

[cepillon]

hi!!.. thanks for the chap..

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Naruto 166 - Confesión
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[scandalous']

This would've been AMAZING if it would've been 163, 164 and 165.

The episode was really well done, the animation was awesome and the artwork was beautiful. But this kind of animation and artwork should be reserved for battle scenes imo. And next week they're giving us just that. THE ABSOLUTE BEST animator is working on that episode and the battle will be incredible.

Also, the scene where hinata lies in front of naruto and pain just lifts her away and naruto's eyes go upward. That scene is PURE epicness. A real shiver went down my spine.

When I read the manga I hated pain. Now I remember why I used to love to hate pain.

[Googlez_kun]

I think this will be my favourite episode for a while.

Have to rewatch this episode,it was so awesome..

Especially this part http://i50.tinypic.com/mip6k0.gif
T_T

[Brill]

I didn't really buy this episode at all. It gets some positive points for excellent portray of Hinata's "battle" and at the same time staying true to the manga, plus the canon flashbacks, brutal stabbing and preview. But the rest was too cheesy and awkward for me. Let me explain. This would have been INCREDIBLY well done had Hinata actually been a long time girlfriend or love interest for Naruto, because it sure was emotional. But as things stand now, Naruto for all we know doesn't really care for Hinata the same way as she cares for him. In that sense this episode completely blew up the canon script and added details that may not fit at all. It all just seemed too awkward for me, for them to suddenly have this huge pairing episode out of the blue. The manga handled this way better in my opinion, as it kept it short, and without all the cheesy and misleading moments. Let's pretend that the manga had been building up for this more than it has, by Hinata being more involved, talking more to Naruto and the two of them in general having had more scenes together, then this would be epic and a perfect match. But as it was now it was way too much.

The episode as a whole was excellent though. But as I've said it was awkward and highly rebellious towards the manga. Fillers are always awesome with Suzuki as he adds fillers that fit with the canon script, in this episode however many of them didn't. It only gets a 6 or 7/10 from me, sorry. But this episode was far from epic in my eyes. Just for the record I'm neither NaruHina nor NaruSaku, I'm indifferent. Oh, and I felt sorry for Hinata, she got a lot of beating in this episode.

NEXT EPISODE LOOKS FREAKING AWESOME!! I loved the scenes when Naruto walks like a zombie with fire red eyes.

You seem to want a nicely developed relationship then a confession moment. However, this is shounen, not shoujo. If this had been Sakura then all guessing would be over and we'd have nothing to talk about except upcoming battles and that would be relatively boring. :p Although whether Sakura and Naruto have a "developed" relationship is also a bone on contention.

However, several shounen manga don't work that way. There are several underdeveloped relationships that have a confession come "out of the blue". Sometimes the confessor dies, sometimes the confessee "wakes up and smells the coffee", and sometimes it leads nowhere. Which is it? Nobody knows but Kishi.

But I can say this, relationships are born from episodes like this in shounen manga, and it was really well done. You may not find this personally satisfying, but it happens very frequently in manga. Yes, there was filler but it wasn't something that was out in left field (Hinata curious about Naruto, and Naruto being Hinata's self-appointed champion) and it really added to the emotional level of the episode. You see these techniques employed all the time is confessor episodes, the question is, is it done well? The answer is yes. Did some things happen in the anime that didn't happen in the manga? Yes. I thought Hinata's objective during the fight was excellent. I liked how her objective was to remove the rods to free Naruto instead of being a head-on kamakaze run, although I was having Neji/Hinata flashbacks with all the stumbling she was doing. ;)

Some people wanted Pein's "evil glare" to show his evil intent in killing Hinata and wanting to inflict pain to Naruto, but even though it was absent, it was nicely counter-balanced wtih Pein's misunderstandings about love. He couldn't understand why a weak person would risk it all to save someone else when they had no chance in hell of winning. It clearly established the differences betweem Naruto and Pein as disciples of Jiraiya, and why one fell off the true path while the other one didn't. A nice touch IMO.

We're there a few disappointments? Sure. I too was looking to see the full transformation this episode, but we'll have to wait til next week. Bummer.:kyuubi

Even though we've known the outcome for over a year, this episode was inspiring, tense, sweet, and tearful-a truly moving episode. This is what anime is supposed to be, making this one of the best episodes of Naruto, ever.

[Atemu]

I really like God pain voice:) I was not expecting much from this episode except of naruto's x tail form which never happened. The fillers flashback was a little interesting

[Murdock]

there goes 18 minutes of my life ... really horrible ep .. only good thing was the epic end ...

[David Gill]

Why wasnt Episodes 162-163-164 animated like this? These guys are nutz, they employ the best animators for filler crap.

[pony266]

They completely messed that one up. Adding more flashbacks and more talking after she says she loves Naruto changes the whole feel to the scene. And they didn't do the glance when Pein strikes down Hinata.
Pein never actually spkoke to Hinata in the manga. If they'd cut half the B.S. from this Arc, they could have been on Lord Fourth by now.

[CBlitz]

Why wasnt Episodes 162-163-164 animated like this? These guys are nutz, they employ the best animators for filler crap.

because Suzuki picks and chooses which episodes he does, Pierrot doesn't actually employ him to direct episodes. His formal job is working as the Character Designer

[Sollum]

Due to unfair rating (1-10) i was forced to lie and vote 1, but to get 1 you need to make at least 1 good thing. I would like to have an option to vote as 0 for next pools -_-

Anyways, the chapters was really cheese and felt like a filler, it didn't show anything significant. Yes, i am a fan of Hinata, but it was a disgrace to her, she was supposed to be a heroine who did a sacrifice for a sake of a plot, now a whiner -_-

I have big hopes for next chapter, i really hope it wont be spoiled on some memories or something

[kakashi65]

Pain: do you hate me?
Kyuubi Naruto: GRAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!
best scene for me :D

[DarkAp89]

I don't understand people that complain about this episode. It's awesome as the other Suzuki's works. It's an addition to the whole story about Naruto and Hinata that Kishimoto didn't... maybe for strict time?

[laughing@you]

WOOT this episode was awesome. Not exactly what happened in the manga but i totally loved it. The flashbacks gave the episode and awesome setup. And made naruto's outburst a stronger reason as to why he went hulk on us.

I give it 10 cuz the animators did a good job. Can't wait to see the next chapter. Finally they get something right!!!

Although i thought they were gonna insert more of a surprise face by naruto when she confesses her love towards him. But i still loved it!!!

[hiper05]

I actually thought this episode was alright. They could of kept the impact of Hinita saying her confession and immediatily being stabbed. A feel the animators shouldn't have added any filler material between those scenes(I wanted Pein's glare). Also, when Neji see's the Boss Toad, I had imagined the byakugan search mode but we didn't see that. I liked all the filler background stroy for Hinata. I feel 7/10.

[Asclepius]

Is it bad that I started laughing when Pain did the last Shina Tensei?

Overall good episode, aside from the fillers.

Next week: Pure epicness.
No it wasn't bad. I said out loud "Go Hinata dos Santos" remembering the Gymnastics sportswoman Daiane dos Santos. Couldn't help it
^_^

[wooticus]

likes this chapter but i hope next weeks will be awesome.

but i thought it would had been better to put the "i love you" statement at the end.. not the "ninja way" one..

[Murdock]

Due to unfair rating (1-10) i was forced to lie and vote 1, but to get 1 you need to make at least 1 good thing. I would like to have an option to vote as 0 for next pools -_-

Anyways, the chapters was really cheese and felt like a filler, it didn't show anything significant. Yes, i am a fan of Hinata, but it was a disgrace to her, she was supposed to be a heroine who did a sacrifice for a sake of a plot, now a whiner -_-

I have big hopes for next chapter, i really hope it wont be spoiled on some memories or something

exactly she was super in manga heroic .. but here she looks pathetic ... horrible episode horrible

[damane08]

I felt no emotional attachment to this episode whatsoever, i felt indifferent toward everything going in the entire episode. Hated the entire Hinata scene and the flashbacks (and boy were there many)

But the Hinata thing was hard to watch, they completely disgraced her, to the point where i even thought she was a bit pathetic but i never felt that way in the manga.

Hated the episode, lost about twenty or so minutes of my day today, i'll be hoping the next episode is better.

[Kozar927]

Wow for once I must wash my hands of you people. 9/10 episode. Maby that just shows what a sucker for good animation I am idk, but honestly i really dont think its that. I almost cried at parts. The music was touching and used so well, unlike every other ep of the arc. The only reason it dosnt have a perfect 10 is because a suzuki ep with only 2 fights -___- sighhh. their was not enough fight time and I would have liked more filler in tht department, all of that said the episode was awesome. Ya like everyone else of course im outraged naru v pain didnt get this treatment, but im not going to just snuff a beautiful ep like this for that reason alone.
9/10

The budget wasnt just in storyboard and animation either. Music q's diloug and camara work all made it feel so high budget. I just dot see why the other episodes cnt at least get that treatment its not alot of money to play music at the right times -____- but o well

anyone know when taka comes out? I refuse to have this ep in my collection with the stupid churchyroll ads during the most dramatic sceans. What a great ep for them to do tht :(

[Googlez_kun]

I'm a total Hinata fanboy,so i loved this episode obviously.Pure fanserive for me.

[ninjaman]

Episode gets a 10. Animation was good and the last 2minutes were better than any other previous episode in this arc. I got goose bumps cant wait 1 week.

[Blade800]

What a EPIC episode.

I loved it but there were 2 things which I dont liked.

1. When Hinata said I love you, I expected some good music and Naruto starring like "whaaaaaaaat? "
2. That freaking bad drawn Naruto´s staring face. I expected to scream him like "NOOOOOOOO YOU BASTARD" when he finished off Hinata. I missed things like that but it was good.

Love the ending because
it looks like Hinata died now for those who not read manga

[Arrogance]

Wow um that was a lot of unnecessary filler that ruined the mood of that whole scene. The flashbacks were good but there were just too many of them and after a while it got annoying. The whole I love you scene though was ruined in my book.
http://img-c.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000147022/12.jpg
I mean it was so much more effective in the manga. It was simple, she says I love you, Naruto gasp, and she immediately charges into battle. Simple yet effective. In the anime now we have 1 minute for her to activate her Byakugan and then instead of charging into battle she goes to help Naruto first. I just felt that a huge chunk was pushed aside that really was more effective than what we saw in this episode.

That being said the combat was fluid but once again unnecessary. In the end the episode really got good when Hinata got her ass kicked but obviously by then it was too late. The way it ended though really gives me hope for next week because the Kyuubi Chakra looks sick. So in the end I gotta give the episode a 6 because I guess that if I had never read the manga I would have liked it better but since I did I felt the whole thing was ruined.

PS: Animation was better but then now I have a new pet peeve that I don't like......LIMBS! I don't get it, now we are stuck with characters who have stick legs :darn. For example here are Shikaku's limbs for example. I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to run with legs that frail :darn. Pic for reference.
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t152/BHMetalhead/Sticklegs.png

[Googlez_kun]

What a EPIC episode.

I loved it but there were 2 things which I dont liked.

1. When Hinata said I love you, I expected some good music and Naruto starring like "whaaaaaaaat? "
2. That freaking bad drawn Naruto´s staring face. I expected to scream him like "NOOOOOOOO YOU BASTARD" when he finished off Hinata. I missed things like that but it was good.

Love the ending because
it looks like Hinata died now for those who not read manga
I prefered him staring like this:
http://i49.tinypic.com/2yope6x.gif
It had this wtf-face i also had in front of my screen and would have in this situation.
Plus Naruto shouting in this scene would kinda ruin the mood.

[Cykai]

aside from the bad( which is still a step up from awful) animation.
the 95% filler and only covering 3 pages of one chapter
and the bloom.


still very watchable. 6/10
i lol'ed at the animators. non canon flashbacks? i would rather they showchuunin exams in depth...

[Googlez_kun]

Wow um that was a lot of unnecessary filler that ruined the mood of that whole scene. The flashbacks were good but there were just too many of them and after a while it got annoying. The whole I love you scene though was ruined in my book.
http://img-c.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000147022/12.jpg
I mean it was so much more effective in the manga. It was simple, she says I love you, Naruto gasp, and she immediately charges into battle. Simple yet effective. In the anime now we have 1 minute for her to activate her Byakugan and then instead of charging into battle she goes to help Naruto first. I just felt that a huge chunk was pushed aside that really was more effective than what we saw in this episode.

That being said the combat was fluid but once again unnecessary. In the end the episode really got good when Hinata got her ass kicked but obviously by then it was too late. The way it ended though really gives me hope for next week because the Kyuubi Chakra looks sick. So in the end I gotta give the episode a 6 because I guess that if I had never read the manga I would have liked it better but since I did I felt the whole thing was ruined.

PS: Animation was better but then now I have a new pet peeve that I don't like......LIMBS! I don't get it, now we are stuck with characters who have stick legs :darn. For example here are Shikaku's limbs for example. I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to run with legs that frail :darn. Pic for reference.
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t152/BHMetalhead/Sticklegs.png
It's called style:p
Look at Bleach and you'll get what i mean.

[Arrogance]

It's called style:p
Look at Bleach and you'll get what i mean.
I know its the style but I just don't like it :darn. I can't see a ninja being able to fight with toothpick legs. Nagato has more meat on him than Shikaku does in that picture and Nagato is dying!!! If anything Nagato should switch places with Skikaku then. :XD.

[Nicholas.Sama]

Judging an anime on how the manga did something is rather pointless if you're a manga supremacist who sees every difference as a bad thing. I'm quite sure the animators know exactly how things go down in the manga and deliberately choose to do things differently.

1. Pain's stare, while epic, is was not necessary here. Why? Because of what Hinata said and how she ended up slammed into the ground just moments before. The drama was already covered.

2. The fillers, they weren't very awkward at all if you see them for what they were and not what you wanted them to be. They only show Hinata growing fond of Naruto, and not even once doing the opposite. Giving detail into HER character and not THEIR relationship.

3. The fight, they gave Hinata the intelligence to try to remove the chakra rods from Naruto's body. Adding their own dramatic twist of the situation.

[Kozar927]

aside from the bad( which is still a step up from awful) animation.
the 95% filler and only covering 3 pages of one chapter
and the bloom.


still very watchable. 6/10
i lol'ed at the animators. non canon flashbacks? i would rather they showchuunin exams in depth...

Now people are just obviously trolling.what does good aniation look like to you because if you ask me this style abit diffrent from the styles of movies such as samurai X and sword of the stranger is on par with quality

_________________________________

I just thought of a nother example.

Look at Legend of zelda the windwaker.
The graphics were cel shaded and cartoony and intentionally disproportionate. But the graphics recived almost 9/10 by every major reviewwer. as did TP's graphics were as they were realistic and dark.

Diffrent types of animation =/= bad

[Cykai]

Now people are just obviously trolling.what does good aniation look like to you because if you ask me this style abit diffrent from the styles of movies such as samurai X and sword of the stranger is on par with quality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Gy6sc92Rc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJrLCWhqPAs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e_w1N2ExBQ&feature=fvst

don't compare the epicness of samurai x to shippuden.
i stand by my statement of bad animation, and like i said.
it wasnt a bad episode it was well directed, i just didn't like the filler and animation.

[Kozar927]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Gy6sc92Rc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJrLCWhqPAs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e_w1N2ExBQ&feature=fvst

don't compare the epicness of samurai x to shippuden.
i stand by my statement of bad animation, and like i said.
it wasnt a bad episode it was well directed, i just didn't like the filler and animation.

I have been a samurai X hardcore fan (as well as many many many other animes and anime movies w/ great aniation) since as long as I can remember and I am therefore entitled to my opinion just as much as you are if u read what I said clearly I stated the styls are very very different but they both excel drastically in the particular animation nich they try to fill

[TearsOfScarlet]

Lol well... this was more emotional than the manga's, that's for sure. the manga Hinata's cameo was short... Pain did one push to her and she was out. Well, at least the anime made it seem MORE "emotional" and relevant.

[Arrogance]

Judging an anime on how the manga did something is rather pointless if you're a manga supremacist who sees every difference as a bad thing. I'm quite sure the animators know exactly how things go down in the manga and deliberately choose to do things differently.

1. Pain's stare, while epic, is was not necessary here. Why? Because of what Hinata said and how she ended up slammed into the ground just moments before. The drama was already covered.

2. The fillers, they weren't very awkward at all if you see them for what they were and not what you wanted them to be. They only show Hinata growing fond of Naruto, and not even once doing the opposite. Giving detail into HER character and not THEIR relationship.

3. The fight, they gave Hinata the intelligence to try to remove the chakra rods from Naruto's body. Adding their own dramatic twist of the situation.
I'm no manga supremest, I'm just stating how I found what the manga did to be more effective in my eyes. There was a certain feeling I got when reading the manga chapters that made me happy and I didn't get that same feeling while watching all these fillers. Thats all there is to it. I felt that while taking 1 minute for her to activate her Byakugan instead of immediately jumping into action took something away from that scene. The climax of the whole speech was originally her stating her love to Naruto and then after that charging into battle for his sake leaving Naruto dumbfounded. But that wasn't the case we didn't even see Naruto's expression to that and she didn't charge right into battle full of love and drive like we saw. The immediacy of the manga version is something I really enjoyed. Now as I said earlier I would have probably liked the episode more if I had not read the manga and known how it originally happened because it indeed wasn't bad. But I was let down because I personally felt it wasn't as good as it was. Now if thats manga supremacy then thats just sad cause all I'm doing is analyzing the episode and logically explaining my thought process behind why I didn't like it as much.

[Cykai]

I am entitled to my opinion just as much as you are
.....
you're the one who said i was trolling.

but ur right, it ends here.
==========================

so thought on hinata's younger redesign(referring to the blush)?

[juUnior]

Judging an anime on how the manga did something is rather pointless if you're a manga supremacist who sees every difference as a bad thing.
I don't think so. I read manga, I expect sth good done with that in anime. Thus this episode would rank in my book 9/10 <but I voted 10 because of clicking the wrong thing and not looking at it :p>. If I would be just anime fan which doesn't know manga stuff, I would rank this episode 10/10 <I wouldn't have anything to compare to> Maybe its just me, but I don't agree comparing it to manga is "pointless", like you said.


1. Pain's stare, while epic, is was not necessary here. Why? Because of what Hinata said and how she ended up slammed into the ground just moments before. The drama was already covered.
You're right about drama being covered. Now imagine the same thing which was shown, but with that stare sequence, than Naruto screaming "don't do it etc." <like in manga>, then Pain stabbing HInata, and the rest the gif which Googlez_kun provided, and the end with transformation climax - if drama was 7000 in this episode, with that simple "detail" of Pain stare scene the drama would be "over 9000!". Just my 1 cent <xd> on the matter.

[Onoki]

Some of you guys are just miserable fan boys who can't be satisfied.

This episode saved the Pain arc. I was highly upset with the previous 3 episodes, but this at least makes it a little better.

I read this chapter in the manga first the day it was released. The anime DID FAR BETTER to convey the emotion of this chapter. The manga scene was a surprise when Hinata entered but far from emotional. Rushed if anything. No build up because Kishi didn't have time to IMO.

However, including new filler flashbacks to show why Hinata cares so much for Naruto was an EXCELLENT touch. The direction was great and the scene transitions were perfect. Music choice was excellent.

I'm sorry Hinata fans, but she looked weak in the manga compared to the anime. She looked reckless and in love then got owned in a couple pages. Filling in her fight with pain where she actually gets a lick in was a great touch. I felt the desperation.

Hinata did not look like a hero in the manga. Im sorry.

This episode was a 10/10 - if not the best episode in Part 2 slightly beating out Episode 83 - Asuma Funeral (honorable mention to ep 85) because it had not only well directed drama scenes, but a cool fight sequence that expanded on that 1 sided beating Pain gave Hinata.

[TearsOfScarlet]

Some of you guys are just miserable fan boys who can't be satisfied.

This episode saved the Pain arc. I was highly upset with the previous 3 episodes, but this at least makes it a little better.

I read this chapter in the manga first the day it was released. The anime DID FAR BETTER to convey the emotion of this chapter. The manga scene was a surprise when Hinata entered but far from emotional. Rushed if anything. No build up because Kishi didn't have time to IMO.

However, including new filler flashbacks to show why Hinata cares so much for Naruto was an EXCELLENT touch. The direction was great and the scene transitions were perfect. Music choice was excellent.

I'm sorry Hinata fans, but she looked weak in the manga compared to the anime. She looked reckless and in love then got owned in a couple pages. Filling in her fight with pain where she actually gets a lick in was a great touch. I felt the desperation.

Hinata did not look like a hero in the manga. Im sorry.

This episode was a 10/10 - if not the best episode in Part 2 slightly beating out Episode 83 - Asuma Funeral (honorable mention to ep 85) because it had not only well directed drama scenes, but a cool fight sequence that expanded on that 1 sided beating Pain gave Hinata.

I can see that they are going to do these last episodes justice. Which means Naruto vs pain last battle, the last gamble will be done right *YES*!

[matsemann08]

I feel like all the one's who bash on the filler did it only because it was filler ?
If Kishimoto had written the filler parts in the manga no one would complain.
OR if you didn't read the manga and didn't know it was filler you wouldn't complain.

[THM Nindo]

Contra

- I think the scene was done better in the manga, the different close-ups of Naruto's eyes, Hinata not standing a chance in any kind of way and getting killed seconds after confessing, so Naruto didn't have a chance to react.


I agree.
Although I really liked this episode, the feeling I got from the manga was better.

For one, if this fight would have last that long, someone else would have come to save Hinata...
I mean... Kon (?) was injured so it make sense that he can't come, but any other Hyugga watching the fight should have jump in to save her.

The "I love you" was a lot more "Woah!!" in the manga than in the anime as well.

The animation was really good... not sure about some of the art though (the red cheeks... too much of it).

In any case, the filler part was alright, and I can't wait to see the next episode!
Rampage!!!

[Nicholas.Sama]

I'm no manga supremest, I'm just stating how I found what the manga did to be more effective in my eyes. There was a certain feeling I got when reading the manga chapters that made me happy and I didn't get that same feeling while watching all these fillers. Thats all there is to it. I felt that while taking 1 minute for her to activate her Byakugan instead of immediately jumping into action took something away from that scene. The climax of the whole speech was originally her stating her love to Naruto and then after that charging into battle for his sake leaving Naruto dumbfounded. But that wasn't the case we didn't even see Naruto's expression to that and she didn't charge right into battle full of love and drive like we saw. The immediacy of the manga version is something I really enjoyed. Now as I said earlier I would have probably liked the episode more if I had not read the manga and known how it originally happened because it indeed wasn't bad. But I was let down because I personally felt it wasn't as good as it was. Now if thats manga supremacy then thats just sad cause all I'm doing is analyzing the episode and logically explaining my thought process behind why I didn't like it as much.

Arrognce, I wasn't referring to you. You actually take the time to explain your reasoning and why you feel the you do.

This is what I'm talking about:
"That's not what happened in the manga. 0/10"
These people provided nothing for the discussion, they're just bitching and ruining the thread for everyone.

I honestly thought Hinata's "death" was forced in the manga. I knew she was never really dead. While the anime actually would have made me wonder about it had I not read the manga. That's just my opinion though.

And one thing people seem to disregard is the fact that they are watching something knowing full well what's going to happen.

Hinata's confession is not going to be epic to you if you already read it like 20 times in the manga.

[THM Nindo]

I'm sorry Hinata fans, but she looked weak in the manga compared to the anime. She looked reckless and in love then got owned in a couple pages. Filling in her fight with pain where she actually gets a lick in was a great touch. I felt the desperation.

Hinata did not look like a hero in the manga. Im sorry.

Yeah, well... Manga is canon, right? :tem

I agree that she looked more bad-ass in the anime, since she didn't give up, even if she was barely able to walk...

But, we can't deny that she was reckless and weak, in both cases...
And, the Hinata fans will go under the impression that she was so good that she could actually hit Pain, which is actually not the case at all in the manga...

Fillers are good for some things, but are soooo bad for other...

[Kawaiii]

Well i cant rate this episode with 10 even if i wanted. In my opinion they fucked the scene with the confession up. I mean she said she loved him but they didnt show his face after that, i think there is something missing there because of that. They tried to fix it by showing her doing the "thats my ninja way" thing, but even though it was a brilliant idea to do so, the most important part that should have made naruto wonder really hard, was not shown.

[Mack]

Episode bad as usual, but i kinda liked the end.
Of course i was expecting an explosion after turning to kyubi, but that face in the end (and the fact they haven't shown the body of the kyubi) it was cool.

Second cool thing was Hinata using that lion fist. Picture of her was even better than in manga.

[Alterno]

So we are supposed to rank the episode was comparing it to the manga? there's a reason behind why talking about the manga in this forum is very restricted, in fact there's only one post allowed. I voted 10 to this episode, because let's be honest... the previous 2 were poorly animated compared to this, the sound was quite right and also we didn't see Pain repeating shirai tensei, like crazy.

In this thread We should rank the episode by his own and not how it stand in comparison to the manga.

Anyway in reference to the manga:

They didn't use a few flashbacks of Hinata when she was thinking about Naruto, neither used her attack as shown in the manga, although the animation of the attack makes justice to what we saw in the manga.


Overall the episode by his own is a 10/10.

[AlexGK]

The episode owned. The only downside is that they missed the shocked Naruto face after the confession. This one:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/12/
I mean, wtf?!!?

[Ryodraco]

exactly she was super in manga heroic .. but here she looks pathetic ... horrible episode horrible
It amazes me the different reactions people can have to stuff like this. I've seen many people write about Hinata looking pathetic in the manga for being taken down by one shinra tensei (albeit that happened to a number of characters who did a close-range attack when Pain used shinra tensei).


But, we can't deny that she was reckless and weak, in both cases...
Weak is relative. Her jutsu is without a doubt a powerful one but God Realm makes everybody below elite level look weak.

I did like that they made her words about dying to save him make more sense in the episode than in the manga. That is delaying Pain a brief time didn't seem like a feasible way to save him (though it ended up working thanks to Kyuubi), but trying to destroy the chakra rods was a intelligent thing to do.


And, the Hinata fans will go under the impression that she was so good that she could actually hit Pain, which is actually not the case at all in the manga...
Well she nicked him, if even that, which really isn't much different from her nearly catching him by surprise when she arrived which was in the manga too.

[TwEeD]

But, we can't deny that she was reckless and weak, in both cases...
And, the Hinata fans will go under the impression that she was so good that she could actually hit Pain, which is actually not the case at all in the manga...

It's so ironic that in relation to the manga Hinata got powered-up while Naruto got nerfed in this arc while it should have been HIS Crowning Moment of Awesome

[LeDuck]

Some of you guys are just miserable fan boys who can't be satisfied. This episode saved the Pain arc. I was highly upset with the previous 3 episodes, but this at least makes it a little better.

I don't really understand how a boring, fan service episode saves an arc, that didn't have one episode with decent action. So far I prefer Kakashi vs Pain, which was done in a very weird way, but still more entertaining to watch than the rest. Maybe there are people who aren't as easy satisfied than others, because they don't fangasm about everything they get delivered.



I read this chapter in the manga first the day it was released. The anime DID FAR BETTER to convey the emotion of this chapter. The manga scene was a surprise when Hinata entered but far from emotional. Rushed if anything. No build up because Kishi didn't have time to IMO.

I couldn't get rid of the feeling that the animators forced to make me cry; There is an interesting part in the manga Bakuman about tear-breaker scenes, though I can't find it at the moment. It's never a good thing to go over the top and it shows that the manga did a better job at conveying the emotions.



I'm sorry Hinata fans, but she looked weak in the manga compared to the anime. She looked reckless and in love then got owned in a couple pages. Filling in her fight with pain where she actually gets a lick in was a great touch. I felt the desperation.

Hinata did not look like a hero in the manga. Im sorry.

Who said she is supposed to look strong, like a hero? If a character gets defeated within seconds, that usually means he is weak and reckless. The episode felt even more like a filler, if you consider how Pain was treated. Why would he dodge her attacks, there was no reason, because he is able to one-shot her without any effort. In the anime it looked like she was able to kill him for a second >.>

I wonder how the pain arc would look like, if Bones would animate it. I honestly don't think any of the real episodes would get a rating over 5, because they get outshined by people, who know what they are doing.

[Gats]

because Suzuki picks and chooses which episodes he does, Pierrot doesn't actually employ him to direct episodes. His formal job is working as the Character Designer

So it confirms that he really is Hinata's fan ! :amuse

[naruto-niichan]

I didn't really buy this episode at all. It gets some positive points for excellent portray of Hinata's "battle" and at the same time staying true to the manga, plus the canon flashbacks, brutal stabbing and preview. But the rest was too cheesy and awkward for me. Let me explain. This would have been INCREDIBLY well done had Hinata actually been a long time girlfriend or love interest for Naruto, because it sure was emotional. But as things stand now, Naruto for all we know doesn't really care for Hinata the same way as she cares for him. In that sense this episode completely blew up the canon script and added details that may not fit at all. It all just seemed too awkward for me, for them to suddenly have this huge pairing episode out of the blue. The manga handled this way better in my opinion, as it kept it short, and without all the cheesy and misleading moments. Let's pretend that the manga had been building up for this more than it has, by Hinata being more involved, talking more to Naruto and the two of them in general having had more scenes together, then this would be epic and a perfect match. But as it was now it was way too much.

The episode as a whole was excellent though. But as I've said it was awkward and highly rebellious towards the manga. Fillers are always awesome with Suzuki as he adds fillers that fit with the canon script, in this episode however many of them didn't. It only gets a 6 or 7/10 from me, sorry. But this episode was far from epic in my eyes. Just for the record I'm neither NaruHina nor NaruSaku, I'm indifferent. Oh, and I felt sorry for Hinata, she got a lot of beating in this episode.

NEXT EPISODE LOOKS FREAKING AWESOME!! I loved the scenes when Naruto walks like a zombie with fire red eyes.

he cares for her as a friend and she loves him, that was pointed out in the episode as well. So I'm not getting why you say it was akward :s
even Naruto rescuing her as a child fits Naruto's character, because he loves/loved to play the hero :p

anway, epic episode. Me was afraid they would mess up Pain and Hinata's strength, but Suzuki found another way by Hinata trying to get off this black rods. Nice idea, really enjoyed that.
I'm more of a NaruSaku fan but holy shit, Hinata struggling to save Naruto was damn emotional. Wasn't so touched since Jiraya's death :darn

her confession wasn't done as good as in the manga and was the only part I was disappointed about.
And sure, it doesn't seem that logical regarding that there wasn't a person aside from Hinata who was trying to help Naruto but oh my... I can look over that because ep was fucking epic! Only wished Suzuki would love Naruto as he loves Hinata, that would be pure win :D

P.S: Prev looks epic as hell, can't wait!

[Brill]

Actually that's just the problem as Pein does not have that misunderstanding and that should be obvious from his backstory (the dog, yahiko, etc...)

Actually, he does. Pein understands loss, not love. He's had so much loss that he's lost his objectivity and gone off the deep end. That's why Hinata's actions are confusing him. But we get ahead of ourselves.

[gh0un]

Well i cant rate this episode with 10 even if i wanted. In my opinion they fucked the scene with the confession up. I mean she said she loved him but they didnt show his face after that, i think there is something missing there because of that. They tried to fix it by showing her doing the "thats my ninja way" thing, but even though it was a brilliant idea to do so, the most important part that should have made naruto wonder really hard, was not shown.

Im actually glad they didnt show naruto´s expression to that confession, because otherwise people would expect (rightfully) that plotline to get picked up in case she gets out alive (which she does).

And then? Nothing about that for over 50 chapters.
People would be disappointed if they see naruto looking like "holy shit she loves me" and then nothing happens for 2-3 filler arcs, 2-3 canon arcs, which is also known as 1-2 years.

There were some things left out and replaced by others that were much more powerful than their manga counterpart.
Pain looking at naruto before stabbing hinata was a strong scene for example, but was replaced by her flying through the air and crashing into the ground.
Music being absent, made that scene even more powerful, as naruto watches her silently fall into her supposed death.

Watching the anime gave me goosebumps every few minutes, i really felt the emotion and sadness etc, in the manga not too much, hecause it happened in 5 pages.
The anime fleshed it out, making it believable and understandable, the rushed feeling from the manga was removed.

I really think this is one of the best episodes of the entire series and saves this arc big time.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Well the best part is when she says: I won't go back on my word. Naruto looks up. That's my ninja way.

Made my day actually.

I've rewatched it, and I gotta say, really good. Made me cry again.

[Exodi]

Well the best part is when she says: I won't go back on my word. Naruto looks up. That's my ninja way.

Made my day actually.

I've rewatched it, and I gotta say, really good. Made me cry again.

That was definitely one of my favorite parts.


The comments I've read are really interesting. Some people hate the episode, others love it. When it comes to Naruto, good animation automatically = good episode (for me), since I find the typical animation to be just mediocre.

But I definitely understand what some of the people are saying, like how Hinata's fight lasted way too long for no one else to interject. And there were definitely some oddly drawn parts. Like Pain's face at one point, and Naruto pretty much looking like a Disney character throughout the whole episode.

Hinata, however, was epic throughout.
Funny how someone can own even though they get owned.

[UCHIHA JOHN]

Why wasnt Episodes 162-163-164 animated like this? These guys are nutz, they employ the best animators for filler crap.

Dude i tottaly feel you it doesn't make any sense whatsoever at least the next one will be good.
[hr]
Also why God Pain has telekinisis?

[Arrogance]

Poor Zengetsu D:
http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/5106/unbenanntws.jpg
You read Bleach don't you?You should know best that you can't enjoy Bleach with that attitude!:XD
Yea but the thing is though thats how Kubo draws many of his characters, not Kishi. And then when we change animators, then that animator for some reason always makes the limbs skinnier. Its one thing if thats the norm and all the characters were always toothpick limbs but its another when its not and to then change to it randomly only because an animator changes. Thats why in this case I'm not a fan of it, plus when it comes to Kubo the characters as a whole are skinny which is why it looks better in my opinion. Not that the characters as a whole aren't all skinny but then have legs that don't go along with their torso as we are seeing in this last episode. To sum it up its poor proportionality that I do not like.

[Googlez_kun]

Yea but the thing is though thats how Kubo draws many of his characters, not Kishi. And then when we change animators, then that animator for some reason always makes the limbs skinnier. Its one thing if thats the norm and all the characters were always toothpick limbs but its another when its not and to then change to it randomly only because an animator changes. Thats why in this case I'm not a fan of it, plus when it comes to Kubo the characters as a whole are skinny which is why it looks better in my opinion. Not that the characters as a whole aren't all skinny but then have legs that don't go along with their torso as we are seeing in this last episode.

I think i get what you mean now,though i don't really mind as long as it is consistent within the episode itself.
On a second look though,i have to say that it does look ugly in the pic you provided,but when it goes to the action i love those thin limbs.

[scandalous']

Pain's reaction was still weird when hinata stumbled and crawled towards naruto.

He says I don't understand. why fight.

But the thing is, hinata just confesses she loves naruto.

Last episode pain had a 20 minute speech on how love creates sacrifice "hinata crawling towards naruto" which in turn breeds hatred. "Naruto going kyuubi" then he stands there asking, well do you hate me? Well what do you think lol........

Pain (nagato) just seemed ignorant for a few secs there.

The whole pain reaction just seemed out of place.

[THM Nindo]

so thought on hinata's younger redesign(referring to the blush)?

Too many blushing...
I don't get why every kids must have red cheeks in japanese...

It's the same fucking thing for Konohamaru...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/428/03/

Get rid of those freaking red cheeks!!!

[Ryodraco]

Also why God Pain has telekinisis?
He just wasn't saying shinra tensei and bansho tenin (spelling may be off) out loud in those scenes. It wasn't telekinesis, though it looks similar.
[hr]

The episode felt even more like a filler, if you consider how Pain was treated. Why would he dodge her attacks, there was no reason, because he is able to one-shot her without any effort. In the anime it looked like she was able to kill him for a second >.>
Well obviously it was to extend the fight, but also one could reasonably say that he wanted to avoid expending more chakra if he didn't have to. After all he was already in a bad state.

[Brill]

I don't really understand how a boring, fan service episode saves an arc, that didn't have one episode with decent action. So far I prefer Kakashi vs Pain, which was done in a very weird way, but still more entertaining to watch than the rest. Maybe there are people who aren't as easy satisfied than others, because they don't fangasm about everything they get delivered.

Depends on what your definition of a good arc is. If choreographed action is your definition, then the arc falls short. If your definition is a series of events that lead to the release of the 6-tails kyuubi, then the arc is just fine, ending with a bang with the sacrifice of Hinata. it depends on what your endpoint is, and there is more to Naruto than just fights.


I couldn't get rid of the feeling that the animators forced to make me cry; There is an interesting part in the manga Bakuman about tear-breaker scenes, though I can't find it at the moment. It's never a good thing to go over the top and it shows that the manga did a better job at conveying the emotions.

The manga was rushed jamming the confession, fight, and transfornation in 10 pages. I think the editors of the manga cut a lot out so it'd fit in their 20-page segment. The animation staff elaborated on what they had and I think did a very good job with it, better than the manga IMO.


Who said she is supposed to look strong, like a hero? If a character gets defeated within seconds, that usually means he is weak and reckless. The episode felt even more like a filler, if you consider how Pain was treated. Why would he dodge her attacks, there was no reason, because he is able to one-shot her without any effort. In the anime it looked like she was able to kill him for a second >.>

Well he was coughing up blood before and she wasn't a geat threat, why waste the chakra? Plus how much chakra did he have to conserve to transport Naruto back to their hideout. There are conditions in place that would allow one to extend the fight in a new direction and they did. Was Hinata weak in power when compared to Pein? Sure, that doesn't, however, mean she lacked strength during the episode. She showed how far she go to protect Naruto, and it was a commendable act.


I wonder how the pain arc would look like, if Bones would animate it. I honestly don't think any of the real episodes would get a rating over 5, because they get outshined by people, who know what they are doing.

But Bones doesn't do 2 simultaneous 200+ TV episodes behemoths like Peiroott is currently doing. If they had, I'm they'd have issues in quality as well. Apples and oranges.

[insid3rkill3r]

I have one damn freaking question,,,

Why on earth didnt they use these guys to make the damn Sasuke vs Itachi fight...?

Not that all of the fight wasnt well done but some parts were to me,, horrible.

Perhaps one of the most horrible scenes was Sasuke barely running to avoid Amaterasu,, he was jogging.

This animation is so much better,,, they should use those damn guys on key moments,,,


Anyways, animation was simply top notch,,, nothing to say about it,, and its not only the animation, the flashbacks they made were pretty solid,, seriously , it was just perfect.



Thats what i hate about Animes and team switching, of course they wanna give screen time to other teams or perhaps the best ones cant always do it,,, but ffs, Itachi vs Sasuke had to be one of those key moments to be rendered by the best.

[scandalous']

I have one damn freaking question,,,

Why on earth didnt they use these guys to make the damn Sasuke vs Itachi fight...?

Not that all of the fight wasnt well done but some parts were to me,, horrible.

Perhaps one of the most horrible scenes was Sasuke barely running to avoid Amaterasu,, he was jogging.

This animation is so much better,,, they should use those damn guys on key moments,,,


Anyways, animation was simply top notch,,, nothing to say about it,, and its not only the animation, the flashbacks they made were pretty solid,, seriously , it was just perfect.



Thats what i hate about Animes and team switching, of course they wanna give screen time to other teams or perhaps the best ones cant always do it,,, but ffs, Itachi vs Sasuke had to be one of those key moments to be rendered by the best.


I think it was jdw who explained it before. The guy who did this episodes only does episode that HE WANTS to do. He's not on the studio's payroll as a animator. He does the episodes in which his favorite characters have their time to shine. This time it was hinata, previously it was shikamaru and deidera.

Who knows what he might do when the kage summit comes around. He might has some character there which he likes. I have no idea where they found the guy who does the next episode. Because he's been gone for a long time, and he's simply the best:D

[hajialibaig]

this episode bored me to death..filler fights, filler flashbacks, all but time wasting techniques..*yawn*

[Blade800]

Anyone else lol´ed at the scene when bullies grabbed Hinata by head and pushed her to the ground like they want a blowjob or something. LOL sry hinata fans but they took her to some forest like they want to rape her or something :D

[The_Drunk]

This episode was epic.... made me want to personally kick Pains ass.

[LeDuck]

Anyone else lol´ed at the scene when bullies grabbed Hinata by head and pushed her to the ground like they want a blowjob or something. LOL sry hinata fans but they took her to some forest like they want to rape her or something

Actually, yeah I thought the same, when I saw this scene. Must be tough to be a bullie in Naruto, it sure didn't look like they received much love from the animators^^

[THM Nindo]

Anyone else lol´ed at the scene when bullies grabbed Hinata by head and pushed her to the ground like they want a blowjob or something. LOL sry hinata fans but they took her to some forest like they want to rape her or something :D

Well, I didn't laugh, but I did thought that it looked like a rape scene was coming... :tem

[Darth Executor]

Lol. deva went ermac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjzZWDdPN-g)on hinata. Awesome episode.

[Alterno]

So it confirms that he really is Hinata's fan ! :amuse

Just like the 88.9%, even Kishimoto doesn't know why Hinata ranked higher than Sakura as the most heroic kunoichi, that's why he is going to try to make Sakura more heroic in this part of the manga. Ohh and taka fansubs seems to be fan of Hinata, since they released his version earlier this week.

[digit03]

did they put the hinata jutsu with the lion fists...i dont want to check for myself cuz of spoilers...

[blackjack612]

I really wasn't expecting much out of this episode, but it was way better than my expectations. It was almost epic. I especially loved Hinata fighting Pain with her twin lion fists or whatever it was called.

[Darth Executor]

did they put the hinata jutsu with the lion fists...i dont want to check for myself cuz of spoilers...

Yeah but it looked awful.

[digit03]

was it also in the manga?

[KSWriter]

As a Hinata fan, I obviously have to rate this episode 10/10. The animation was nice, though I have to admit I don't have much of an eye for that kind of thing. As for the fillers and messed up 'I love you' scene, well... for the fillers what do you expect? You should have known they were going to be added when the sonfession came around. Personally, I thought they were well handled and added some more reasoning and development for Hinata's actions. Of course, I am a fan and I can get why some people don't like it. For the 'I love you' scene, I agree that the way they handled had a lot less power then in the manga, but I also think the 'That is my ninja way' scene was a lot more powerful then what happened in the manga, especially considering all the build up the episode had for it, and what happened right after.
Beyond that, I like this episode a lot. I like the immeidate stabbing, I like Hinata being smart and going for the rods instead of Pain (actually, I love this part) I like her getting her butt kicked and still getting up and trying to save Naruto, I like her final words being 'That's my Ninja Way' and I love every ounce of character development (which is somethign I've always been a sucker for). But of course, I am a fan. :D

[Darth Executor]

was it also in the manga?

Yeah. They were pretty big in the manga though. The anime just made her fists glow. -_-

[Shiro-kun]

They made it so much a Tearjerker than Kishimoto did , :(Hinata Omake just kick in more that she died than ...

her actually living ...

[jdw]

Awesome episode for me, 10 out of 10. Great animation, deep emotion, and a real Kunoichi stepping up to the plate. Go Hinata!

[$nipe]

was it also in the manga?
No. It was just a panel of her getting angry and the next one lying on the floor.


I just discovered I can't be satisfied anymore. I didn't like the episode so much, and I feel bad about it. My reasons are:

1. It wasn't the right time for the filler. Suzuki may have great ideas for Naruto, but he didn't put them at the right time. The whole fight is a build-up for the moment where Hinata's death serves as a detonator; you see here that the whole pain discussion is completely forgotten because of 20 minutes of a minor character's development. If you want an idea of how to make good filler development, check how the Naruto team handled a Jiraiya Cronicles set of episodes BEFORE the actual fight, introducing ideas to be used later, and not in the middle of a fight, right before the whole climax of the fight. It might've worked if she were the main character or the whole shipping thing was a turning point in the story, but c'mon, let's be honest: she was just a device to show us the Kyuubi, and nothing else.

2. Suzuki created unnecessary fillers. There was plenty of material from the original series that he could've used to deliver the same message, but he decides to use three simple still frames to put things into context, and instead decides to ditch canon by creating a whole story that's hard to believe, with three bully characters that look more suited for a school-themed anime than for the narutoverse. Suzuki is so cool that he decides what to do, when to do it and how to do it, even if it ditches the mangaka down the drain.

3. It was a waste of talent. I have to be honest with you: this flashback could've been pulled through by many of the other teams, especially those who are only good for talking scenes and seem to hate "animating" action scenes --that is, anything with the characters moving more than one limb at a time". But what we get instead is one of the best using his talent to draw epic wallpapers. The guy could've done so many brilliant scenes to be kept in our hearts forever, but what we get is just a couple of taijutsu scenes. Not that I didn't enjoy them, but meh.

Next episode is the one that really gets all my expectations, since it looks AWESOME! Great animation, awesome graphics, and uber development of the story. But for now, it gets a 3/10. It feels like drinking a whole bottle of cheap liquor and giving us the nice wine by the time we're too drunk to taste the difference, or full to take one more sip anyway.

EDIT: I don't know why I was so mad when I saw the episode to give it a 3/10. I liked the animation, the art, the pacing, mostly everything. But I like to put things into context. In a year, I'll go like "OMG I'd like to watch the Pain episodes... but since they're all bad, I'll just watch the Hinata episode". Ñeh.

[Alterno]

No. It was just a panel of her getting angry and the next one lying on the floor.


I just discovered I can't be satisfied anymore. I didn't like the episode so much, and I feel bad about it. My reasons are:

1. It wasn't the right time for the filler. Suzuki may have great ideas for Naruto, but he didn't put them at the right time. The whole fight is a build-up for the moment where Hinata's death serves as a detonator; you see here that the whole pain discussion is completely forgotten because of 20 minutes of a minor character's development. If you want an idea of how to make good filler development, check how the Naruto team handled a Jiraiya Cronicles set of episodes BEFORE the actual fight, introducing ideas to be used later, and not in the middle of a fight, right before the whole climax of the fight. It might've worked if she were the main character or the whole shipping thing was a turning point in the story, but c'mon, let's be honest: she was just a device to show us the Kyuubi, and nothing else.

I can't say Jiraiya chronicles were good, neither would agree that they were necessary and as reminder Jiraiya is also a minor character, to the point that was killed in order to make the manga continue, in your terms a device to create a reaction, naruto wanted vengeance on pain and the death of Jiraiya led to Naruto senin modo's training.



2. Suzuki created unnecessary fillers. There was plenty of material from the original series that he could've used to deliver the same message, but he decides to use three simple still frames to put things into context, and instead decides to ditch canon by creating a whole story that's hard to believe, with three bully characters that look more suited for a school-themed anime than for the narutoverse. Suzuki is so cool that he decides what to do, when to do it and how to do it, even if it ditches the mangaka down the drain.

Till right now being one of the highest rated episode @ ann, you are totally right in the point that some canon material could have been used... even the material used for animation, but the content is believable, if we see that Hinata as heir of the Hyuuga main house, had a bodyguard with her. The bully stuff, I don't know, but it would make sense Naruto looking for troubles like his _ _ _ _ _ _ well if you read the manga you can fill blank spaces.



3. It was a waste of talent. I have to be honest with you: this flashback could've been pulled through by many of the other teams, especially those who are only good for talking scenes and seem to hate "animating" action scenes --that is, anything with the characters moving more than one limb at a time". But what we get instead is one of the best using his talent to draw epic wallpapers. The guy could've done so many brilliant scenes to be kept in our hearts forever, but what we get is just a couple of taijutsu scenes. Not that I didn't enjoy them, but meh.

It would have been better if he were in charge of this whole arc, i agree, but is not a wast of talent because a lot of people enjoy it, in japan Hinata is popular "ranked higher in a poll as the most heroic kunoichi", check kishimoto remarks about that poll (interview), also worldwide, which surprises the author greatly to the point that he is determined to make Sakura look a little more heroic as she ranked very low.



Next episode is the one that really gets all my expectations, since it looks AWESOME! Great animation, awesome graphics, and uber development of the story. But for now, it gets a 3/10. It feels like drinking a whole bottle of cheap liquor and giving us the nice wine by the time we're too drunk to taste the difference, or full to take one more sip anyway.

EDIT: I don't know why I was so mad when I saw the episode to give it a 3/10. I liked the animation, the art, the pacing, mostly everything. But I like to put things into context. In a year, I'll go like "OMG I'd like to watch the Pain episodes... but since they're all bad, I'll just watch the Hinata episode". Ñeh.

I would not have high expectactives content wise with the following episode, as the next episode is named chibaku tensei and following, 168 is named Yondaime Hokage, so is likely that we'll see yondaime by the end of 167 and the 168 will be focused around Yondaime, just like this was naruhina like.. thx Susuki - senpai. :P

[Lelo]

wow. That was beautiful. I loved it. They did an awesome job. By far one of my fav episodes of the entire series

[The_Drunk]

No. It was just a panel of her getting angry and the next one lying on the floor.


I just discovered I can't be satisfied anymore. I didn't like the episode so much, and I feel bad about it. My reasons are:

1. It wasn't the right time for the filler. Suzuki may have great ideas for Naruto, but he didn't put them at the right time. The whole fight is a build-up for the moment where Hinata's death serves as a detonator; you see here that the whole pain discussion is completely forgotten because of 20 minutes of a minor character's development. If you want an idea of how to make good filler development, check how the Naruto team handled a Jiraiya Cronicles set of episodes BEFORE the actual fight, introducing ideas to be used later, and not in the middle of a fight, right before the whole climax of the fight. It might've worked if she were the main character or the whole shipping thing was a turning point in the story, but c'mon, let's be honest: she was just a device to show us the Kyuubi, and nothing else.

2. Suzuki created unnecessary fillers. There was plenty of material from the original series that he could've used to deliver the same message, but he decides to use three simple still frames to put things into context, and instead decides to ditch canon by creating a whole story that's hard to believe, with three bully characters that look more suited for a school-themed anime than for the narutoverse. Suzuki is so cool that he decides what to do, when to do it and how to do it, even if it ditches the mangaka down the drain.

3. It was a waste of talent. I have to be honest with you: this flashback could've been pulled through by many of the other teams, especially those who are only good for talking scenes and seem to hate "animating" action scenes --that is, anything with the characters moving more than one limb at a time". But what we get instead is one of the best using his talent to draw epic wallpapers. The guy could've done so many brilliant scenes to be kept in our hearts forever, but what we get is just a couple of taijutsu scenes. Not that I didn't enjoy them, but meh.

Next episode is the one that really gets all my expectations, since it looks AWESOME! Great animation, awesome graphics, and uber development of the story. But for now, it gets a 3/10. It feels like drinking a whole bottle of cheap liquor and giving us the nice wine by the time we're too drunk to taste the difference, or full to take one more sip anyway.

EDIT: I don't know why I was so mad when I saw the episode to give it a 3/10. I liked the animation, the art, the pacing, mostly everything. But I like to put things into context. In a year, I'll go like "OMG I'd like to watch the Pain episodes... but since they're all bad, I'll just watch the Hinata episode". Ñeh.

Dude have you ever heard of Bi-polar Disorder or maybe depression?

[jdw]

let's be honest: she was just a device to show us the Kyuubi, and nothing else.

Imo, the situation with Hinata was easily more than just pushing Naruto to go Kyuubi, and I will show you why:


http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5660/331s.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4216/13702232.jpg

[mbacarra]

i love the episode! I'm rooting for NaruHina even more after this episode. LOL

but seriously, I really wonder why the animators of this episode didn't do the naruto vs. pain arc. this is basically a filler episode, but I still like it. I remember the animation from the pain vs. jiraiya episodes and sasuke vs. itachi.

[scandalous']

I kind of missed this frame during the episode.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/10/
It's pretty cool, byaakugan activated in one eye.

[GomuGomu_Getsuga]

I honestly hated this episode. This is supposed to be Naruto's time to shine, not Hinata. Instead of her getting well animated fan service they could have used the animator to finally give Naruto a good looking fight. Its nice and all that Hinata can get some show time, but this is THE worst possible time for it. I could care less about the rest of this fight now. We need to get back to Sasuke already.

[NAM61]

okay episode hated that they actually had hinata one of the weakest people in the manga hit pain the strongest one in the manga thus far. but overall okay. hope next one is awesome.

[Curryman]

Just watched the ep.

I cried like a little girl. I don't have to lie about it and make it a point that you didn't like some of you to prove my manlyhood on a Naruto forum.:eyeroll

Just don't get why they saved the best animation for the hinata episode. I mean I love hinata just as much as the other guy but seriously?!

Anyone else thought it was weird that her twin lions jutsu looked just like Shukaku? :blink

Lastly I don't get how people are bitching about Hinata nicking Pain(when Nagato was distracted coughing up blood to boot) and no one says anything about Pain being wtf supreme taijutsu master???

[LittleMissNemesis]

What a weird episode. I have mixed feelings about it.

If I'd seen any of those (filler) flashbacks before or even some of those inner thoughts (not much more than "n-naruto-kun" in the the manga), then I'd totally get why Hinata is so popular. It was out of the blue, but she actually seemed like a fleshed-out character, and kind of a badass at that. I liked this character a lot- I wish she existed in the manga. I really do. I didn't watch any of the filler in the original series- was this how Hinata was in it? If so, I totally get it now. She might be the best filler character ever. If those flashbacks or something like them, had been present in the story beforehand, I'd be on the Hinata bandwagon. But, alas.

I would've liked this episode better if it hadn't taken such enormous liberties with the story and character development, making it more (very well done) fanfiction than anything else. I liked this part in the manga too- it was a good moment when a dull barely-character popped out, did something surprising, showed some personality and gumption and became a legit, if still minor, character. I didn't care at all about Hinata before, but thought she was a kinda interesting afterwards. She was still weak and pathetic, but her speech and what she did were a little intriguing- and believable based on what we'd seen of her before. (I still LOL'd when she got shinra tenseid though).

Hinata hitting Pain was a bit much- I found it very hard to believe that he'd be dodging her blows like that and ridiculous that she'd land a hit. All that extra fighting also made it implausible that nobody nearby would've hopped in to save her. I know that most people couldn't see into the fray, but if she was there for more than a minute or two...? What the hell was everyone else doing? "Nah, guys. Freakin Hinata's got this one."

I gave the ep a 7/10 because the animation was, save some goofy faces, fantastic and it was, overall, an impressive stand alone episode (... if possibly from a different series).
I would've ranked it higher for being so touching and well put together if it worked in the context the rest of the story/character development and if all those flashbacks/backstory weren't (exclusively) smack dab in the middle of a big fighting arc, making it seem like fanfic shipping bs.

Too bad this guy didn't want to animate the earlier Naruto-Pain fight, because that's the kind of thing that should get priority in this series imo. I wish that the rest of the FIGHTs could have animation as good as Hinata's goddamn hair in this ep. Next week looks pretty badass- I hope it will end on a more sudden dramatic note! It'll be nice to see Naruto go nuts, instead of laying there like a lox.

[Boomi]

something else i noticed: Hinatas chest was animated very poorly
really, she looks as flat a sakura which is unacceptable flat ^^

REALLY looking forward to http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/10/ there aren't that much scenes where he _fights_ with that multitude of clones, most memorable moments were 1. episode while protecting Iruka and the fight against half-shikaku form gaara....

[ceasar]

Wait was it just me or did the animators take a little creative license with this fight it was cool but the brutal hinata killed kinda seemed overboard. I mean it was just as good with her near death experience the rod through the stomach though was like ouch well I guess she really is dead. I mean in the manga naruto thought she was dead because of the damage she took but we knew she was just hanging on in the manga she is just through no hope she survived that.

[$nipe]

Dude have you ever heard of Bi-polar Disorder or maybe depression?
Hahaha! Cognitive dissonance is not necessarily a symptom, but I get your point. (:



Imo, the situation with Hinata was easily more than just pushing Naruto to go Kyuubi, and I will show you why:


http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5660/331s.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4216/13702232.jpg
Ah, I didn't make myself clear, my bad. What I really meant with her being a device is that I don't think that the whole "I love you" thing was really meant for romantic purposes, plotwise. I don't doubt for a second that it holds real meaning to Naruto, and your example fits perfectly. So I ask, why not using this flashback out of something so meaningful to Naruto, instead of creating new content that doesn't add any real depth to the story and to the protagonist's development? Instead of focusing on Naruto's anger and pain, the whole episode is a shipping spree meant to prove that Hinata loves Naruto, something that doesn't really need proof, since it's pretty clear.

And that goes as fanservicing in my book.

[CBlitz]

I don't see why people are complaining about Hinata landing a hit on Pain, she only managed to do so because Nagato slipped up for a moment. He was already coughing blood before, and lost control for a sec giving Hinata that window of opportunity. Its not like she managed to hit him because she was so powerful, he was dodging her attacks pretty effortlessly. And even after the hit, he still completely owned her, showing the audience just how much of a beast he is. Honestly this isn't filler development as much as it is extending the canon >__>

[mbacarra]

lol calm down people. at least we know now that Hinata has a very shiny head of hair ^___^

you know, this episode reminded me of the sasuke-itachi fight where, after the rokubi arc (aka Utakata), Hebi was fighting Kisame. The animation looked bad then eventually it became better as the fight went on up to the Susano episode. This arc was also similar. it's just disappointing that the "better" animators started late in this arc.

with that said, I hope that the upcoming episodes will be great. yes, I still have hope. LOL

[danzouismadara]

terrible episode with terrible animation in my opinion. 4/10 imo

It looked rather amateurish. As if someone just colored the manga pages and used powerpoint.... lol

[evaJ]

Some of the people around here kind of scare me a bit to post. Since if it's slightly "negative" people might jump on you to defend it and try to prove your opinion wrong. To me, this was a waste of quality animation. Sorry, but I would have rather they used this on actual fighting. And they overdid the dramatical/emotional stuff for me. Overall, it was a nice episode to watch, but it tried to hard for me. I put down a 6 for this episode and really, except for the confession part, I didn't really care about the flashback filler stuff. I really don't tune into Naruto for that stuff anyway. Now, I'll respect all the fans of this particular pairing, but well, I'd rather watch Naruto fighting Pain instead of this overdrawn drama that felt forced. I do get it and feel happy for the Hinata fans though.

[Murdock]

this episode bored me to death..filler fights, filler flashbacks, all but time wasting techniques..*yawn*

exactly ... and it made hinata look even more pathetic than she is

[RAhul.R]

terrible episode with terrible animation in my opinion. 4/10 imo

It looked rather amateurish. As if someone just colored the manga pages and used powerpoint.... lol

yes i am with u bro.animation was just terrible (waste)man i was looking 4 this part lion jutsu but everything was a waste y they do this part so terrible :mad not gud drawing or movements !@#$%^&*()

[pony266]

exactly ... and it made hinata look even more pathetic than she is

I have a hunch they are trying to drag out the Pein arc as much as possible.

[Evalis]

terrible episode with terrible animation in my opinion. 4/10 imo

It looked rather amateurish. As if someone just colored the manga pages and used powerpoint.... lol

Did you even watch the episode, most of it wasn't even from the manga you dumbass..
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yes i am with u bro.animation was just terrible (waste)man i was looking 4 this part lion jutsu but everything was a waste y they do this part so terrible :mad not gud drawing or movements !@#$%^&*()

The Lion Fists looked great, I swear your like ten years old or something.

[Xerous]

Did you even watch the episode, most of it wasn't even from the manga you dumbass..
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The Lion Fists looked great, I swear your like ten years old or something.

sorry but those lions looked like kittens in comparison.

[LeDuck]

Did you even watch the episode, most of it wasn't even from the manga you dumbass..
[...]
The Lion Fists looked great, I swear your like ten years old or something.

It's always a delight, if somebody insults someone else, because he doesn't agree with his opinion. Blasphemy! That person has to be a little child that doesn't understand the epicness of this episode!

[dr.mohd.arbash]

exactly ... and it made hinata look even more pathetic than she is

Jiraiya and tsunade looked pathetic in front of PAIN,,,, are we expecting hinata to kick pain's ass !?!?!? we all know that hinata is almost the weakest of naruto's generation yet the most brave girl among them... and that how she looked.

I watched this episode 5 times till now and still want more .... keep going suzuki team you give the anime the real taste....

[Xerous]

:notrusti think you guys are being biased.

[soulbane_zp]

Well I now see why Hinata is so popular in the west, but not in Japan. It's because of the anime. And I was wondering why Hinata has so many fans when she appears in like 40 panels total in the manga :D. It's a fact that most of the people from the west start Naruto with the anime, where the studio abuses Sakura hitting Naruto for comic relief and they actually have filler arcs with Hinata, giving her non existent character development and people get the idea she is actually important.

I mean cmn, Hinata crawling towards Naruto? Is this some kind of a tragic romance story :p. What was with that flashback of Hinata getting bullied and Naruto trying to save her? Talk about blowing things out of proportions. People who only watch the anime and decide to go and read the manga afterwards are gonna be disappointed from how this scene went in the manga.

[dr.mohd.arbash]

Well I now see why Hinata is so popular in the west, but not in Japan. It's because of the anime. And I was wondering why Hinata has so many fans when she appears in like 40 panels total in the manga :D. It's a fact that most of the people from the west start Naruto with the anime, where the studio abuses Sakura hitting Naruto for comic relief and they actually have filler arcs with Hinata, giving her non existent character development and people get the idea she is actually important.

I mean cmn, Hinata crawling towards Naruto? Is this some kind of a tragic romance story :p. What was with that flashback of Hinata getting bullied and Naruto trying to save her? Talk about blowing things out of proportions. People who only watch the anime and decide to go and read the manga afterwards are gonna be disappointed from how this scene went in the manga.

naruto dad is one of the most popular characters while he appeared less than hinata... it is about the heroic touch ;) not the amount

[Xerous]

So many conflicting (and stupid) opinions here...

Some fools were to be expected bashing this episode for its animation, of all things. Most likely the same people that liked the animation of the previous episodes. You guys have no clue, stop posting.

I agree that the Hinata filler was cheesy, perhaps too long, but saying it conflicts with the manga? Please. I'd expect better from some people, for example 3cmm. In the manga it's obvious Hinata had a crush on Naruto before she was even shown the first time. Say all you want about the filler flashbacks being lame, but it doesn't contradict the manga in any way. Actually it supplied the perfect background.

Some stuff WAS lacking in this episode. Naruto's reaction to the confession. The Lion fists looked fierce in the manga, and ended up as some blown up puppies in the anime. Pain's reaction to Hinata was a little off, but he got back on track just fine in the end by taunting Naruto.

Hinata looking weak in this episode? Really? Weaker than in the manga? I don't you where you people get your ideas from. Either you watch the anime only and think Hinata got portrayed as weak: Fine, but God Pain beat Kakashi just like that. Nobody expected her to win...
For the manga readers: read it again. Hinata got one-shotted in like 3 panels. She got portrayed as much more enduring here, and trying to remove the sticks added a nice and fitting touch. ot to mention the scene with her crawling over to Naruto, looking him in the eyes. It gets no better than this.

Overall not the 10/10 episode I was hoping for, but I gave it a 9. The last scene was 99/10 anyway. I was almost blown out of my chair. And yet again there are people complaining about Naruto's expression after Hinata's "death"? Want some "I'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU DATTEBAYOOOOOOOO" to ruin the moment? geez...
His look was pure shock, with a nice touch of broken mind, followed by going psycho. My favorite meal.

i think it could have been better i didn't watch that to see hinata becomes a wireless paddle ball.:darn

[Evalis]

i think it could have been better i didn't watch that to see hinata becomes a wireless paddle ball.:darn

Well when your fighting Pain, a guy who uses a technique that controls gravitational forces, I think your going to run into that issue down the road...

[Blade800]

exactly ... and it made hinata look even more pathetic than she is

Are you serious ?

For me its the right opposite. I hated Hinata until this episode.

I always hated her piping voice:blink and now for the first time she had a normal voice, I can say that I enjoyed it when she was talking (finally)

This episode was well done, yes it has minor flaws but its okay.

Especially the music in the end, new OST? I loved that evil aggravating music (which sounds like akatsuki music) perfectly fits to scene when were waiting for Naruto to RAGE.

[Murdock]

Jiraiya and tsunade looked pathetic in front of PAIN,,,, are we expecting hinata to kick pain's ass !?!?!? we all know that hinata is almost the weakest of naruto's generation yet the most brave girl among them... and that how she looked.

I watched this episode 5 times till now and still want more .... keep going suzuki team you give the anime the real taste....

j-man looked pathetic? man it was great fight ... again filled with crappy fillers but it ws great but this crawling hinata it was BS ... she should have been done in one shot like in manga but no she was tossed left and right and shima was done by one toss ... are you serious? not even they messed this up making her look stronger than shima but also her crawling made her look pathetic and pain also...


Are you serious ?

For me its the right opposite. I hated Hinata until this episode.

I always hated her piping voice:blink and now for the first time she had a normal voice, I can say that I enjoyed it when she was talking (finally)

This episode was well done, yes it has minor flaws but its okay.

Especially the music in the end, new OST? I loved that evil aggravating music (which sounds like akatsuki music) perfectly fits to scene when were waiting for Naruto to RAGE.

and her voice was different here? nah? crappy fillers and such... and wacht post above
just for you :) bylo to šílený ... manga je lepší než tohle

[Paradoxicon]

j-man looked pathetic? man it was great fight ... again filled with crappy fillers but it ws great but this crawling hinata it was BS ... she should have been done in one shot like in manga but no she was tossed left and right and shima was done by one toss ... are you serious? not even they messed this up making her look stronger than shima but also her crawling made her look pathetic and pain also...



and her voice was different here? nah? crappy fillers and such... and wacht post above
just for you :) bylo to šílený ... manga je lepší než tohle

You know, it's not the anime's fault that you think that part was about making Hinata look strong. Or weak.

[Murdock]

You know, it's not the anime's fault that you think that part was about making Hinata look strong. Or weak.

i think nothing honestly i am just reasoning ... if you look at this that way i stated it doesn't make sence (shima vs hinata)

other way around is making hinata even more pathetic from hers story and actions ... in manga she was badass, justu looked great, in anime it was like two kittens tried to attack and not lions ...

and those fillers ... terrible ... this was supposed to be great acr, really great but so far it's not ...

[Paradoxicon]

i think nothing honestly i am just reasoning ... if you look at this that way i stated it doesn't make sence (shima vs hinata)

other way around is making hinata even more pathetic from hers story and actions ... in manga she was badass, justu looked great, in anime it was like two kittens tried to attack and not lions ...

and those fillers ... terrible ... this was supposed to be great acr, really great but so far it's not ...

Confession, growth, sacrifice... but strength? this wasn't about strength. It could have been done better with her jutsu, that's about it. She still got portrayed as stronger than in the manga, so your point is mute.

[jdw]

@Murdock: Shinra Tensei has varying levels of strength it seems. Ma could have gotten a stronger one while Hinata took weaker ones. Maybe that will make you feel better, at least a little, but I doubt it.

[Destined_One]

It was a bit flashback heavy, however I believe the Anime's interpretation, did more for Hinata's character development, than the original manga. It clearly showed Naruto's affect on her, and why she was willing to go so far. IMO she looked less like a crazed fan girl, and more like someone who was fighting for someone they loved/admired. The moment when she recited Naruto's nindo, was priceless, and made the episode all the more enjoyable. Also although I have never particularly liked Hinata's character design, she looked heaps cuter in this episode, especially as a child.


9/10

[Exodi]

Ok, I love reading everyone's comments. I thank the ones I agree with and contemplate the ones I don't. But one thing that really gets me is how this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/13/

shows a stronger Hinata than the one portrayed in this week's episode. I don't get it. At all.

So...is it because the lions are bigger? That shouldn't even really matter because Hinata didn't even get to utilize them in the manga. O___O Her fight literally lasted the amount of time it takes for your eyes to scan the page (maybe more if you like adding your own sound effects).

Is it because she only withstood one Shinra Tensei (she didn't withstand it at all) instead of a whole bunch?
That question doesn't even make sense.

[Shiro-kun]

Maybe you think it was meant to be stronger ......

Since as you said it was never fully utilized in the manga , so because of that we dont know the full extent of its power to say it might have been stronger in the manga than it was depicted in the anime.

Also her dealing with more shinra tensei's in fact makes her more durable than her manga incarnation doesn't it? or the fact that the shinra tensei's (and bansho tenin..) dealt to her in the anime scene was weaker or as strong as the one and only shinra tensei dealt to her in the manga?

hm its open to fan interpretation i guess ..

[ameya730]

i felt certain scenes in this episode where extremely silly which took away the effect of this episode for me...

1)the scene where hinata tries to break the rods holding naruto was weird cause she tried to kick them which makes no sense cause they would just hurt naruto more. it would have made more sense to make her try and pull the rods (which she eventually tries at the end)

2)the scene where she crawls towards naruto with pain standing as if he was the referee was annoying. it just felt forced. i can imagine nagato thinking : get on with it girl i am running out of chakra

i felt the scenes in the manga had more impact atleast for me cause they happened so fast that no one had the time to react.

apart from this the episode was pretty solid. loved the hinata flashbacks

[Alterno]

The truth is that Kakashi got kicked by pain easily, the only thing he did was to help finding out deva pain's interval on his ability, chouza and chouji did even more than him in his fight against pain.

He couldn't even touch one of Pain bodies by himself. So if pain managed to kick out of the crap of a possible Hokage like that, then not surprising that he would be able to do the same or more with Hinata and be fair, this victory for Naruto is kind Pyrrhic.

[arnold ronald]

this episode is touching my heart...
better than bleach when ichigo or ulquiorra dead....

wow naruto's episode comment catch 10 page...:blink:blink:blink:blink
unlike bleach....!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Proxy]

Wow......................................................................................................

[$nipe]

I can't say Jiraiya chronicles were good, neither would agree that they were necessary and as reminder Jiraiya is also a minor character, to the point that was killed in order to make the manga continue, in your terms a device to create a reaction, naruto wanted vengeance on pain and the death of Jiraiya led to Naruto senin modo's training.Yes, but J-man appeared in a complete arc and a some major fights (agains Orochimaru and Pain). Compare it to a couple of panels. She's sometimes a supporting character for supporting characters, such as Kiba and Sakura (proof (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/450/06/)).



Till right now being one of the highest rated episode @ ann, you are totally right in the point that some canon material could have been used... even the material used for animation, but the content is believable, if we see that Hinata as heir of the Hyuuga main house, had a bodyguard with her. The bully stuff, I don't know, but it would make sense Naruto looking for troubles like his _ _ _ _ _ _ well if you read the manga you can fill blank spaces.Even if it's believable, it's uneffective. Hinata and Naruto have had many good interactions in the past, canon interactions. For example, http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/81/08/ But yes, it was nice. The other thing that bothered me is the whole conversation being put to a halt. I mean, Naruto has to give an answer. Pain asked: "how will you achieve peace?" I do believe that this is one of the most important aspects in Naruto's personal development, and it deserves attention. The Hinata incident even served to prove Pain's point, but now, it's more to prove that Hinata has always loved Naruto and bleh.


It would have been better ifhe were in charge of this whole arc, i agree, but is not a wast of talent because a lot of people enjoy it, in japan Hinata is popular "ranked higher in a poll as the most heroic kunoichi", check kishimoto remarks about that poll (interview), also worldwide, which surprises the author greatly to the point that he is determined to make Sakura look a little more heroic as she ranked very low.It's a matter of taste, so I can't argue with that. But I imagine trading places between the guy who made ep162 and this guy. My satisfaction on the whole ark would've skyrocketed. But that's me. So you have the same people working on the same episodes, but the satisfaction of a viewer is different, hence the wasted potential and talent.




I would not have high expectactives content wise with the following episode, as the next episode is named chibaku tensei and following, 168 is named Yondaime Hokage, so is likely that we'll see yondaime by the end of 167 and the 168 will be focused around Yondaime, just like this was naruhina like.. thx Susuki - senpai. :PThe whole transformation is one of the most amazing scenes in the whole series.
The Kyuubi convincing Naruto, the suspense, Pain getting into trouble, everything is so dark, how can I not be happy? Minato's appearance is only talk, and the other teams can handle it. They can draw handsome characters, as long as they're not moving, and it's just the guy and Naruto over a white background, what could go wrong? So don't worry. Fangasm will be over the place for all of us, disregarding who animates the man.

[CBlitz]

after watching the episode again, the fight, while well animated looked pretty off. There were some off-model stills in Suzuki's previous episodes but it was really noticeable when Hinata was trying to get a hit in on Pain >__>. Not that it ruined the episode or anything, just a minor gripe. lolnobudget :3

oh well we can probably blame that on the movie too :hurr

good thing 167 won't have this problem since it was probably in production before Pierrot had even started working on the movie :)

[Phoenix946]

I'm somewhat happy to see people saying that this episode with its supreme animation was still ugly due to the drawing style. I've been saying that for ages, but it came across as that people here only care about if the animation is good and therefore worship this guy.

Anyhow, I really enjoyed it, some of the flashback were over the top but I did enjoy the fight between Pain and Hinata. Thinking further on how ST can KO someone in one shot and how the rest of Konoha was apparently enjoying the show with popcorn as 3cmm funnily described it earlier kinda ridicules it all though.

But still, putting that aside I was really feeling the episode. Naruto's expressions could have been better, but Hinata's struggling was really well made imo. I was especially touched by the shuffling. And the music was very well chosen, which added a lot to the sphere.

I also remembered how ridiculous I found it that Hinata survived this :notrust

Looks like next episode will be my favorite chapter in the manga so far, and I'm damn glad a good team is doing it because I have a feeling it'll also be my favorite episode :D

[Alterno]

Now that I think it even more, I'm glad the fillers were in this chapter as way to complete a whole chapter... first because Hinata is one of the characters with less participation in this part of the manga and still one the most popular, surpassing by far characters like Sakura and Ino as example.

And also because next week episode will mostly cover 2 chapters of the manga, 438 and 439, we'll get to see Sakura healing Hinata and we'll get to see Naruto struggling...

[scandalous']

The truth is that Kakashi got kicked by pain easily, the only thing he did was to help finding out deva pain's interval on his ability, chouza and chouji did even more than him in his fight against pain.

He couldn't even touch one of Pain bodies by himself. So if pain managed to kick out of the crap of a possible Hokage like that, then not surprising that he would be able to do the same or more with Hinata and be fair, this victory for Naruto is kind Pyrrhic.




Not that I'm really dissagreeing with you. When kakashi fought pain, pain was at a 100%.

During this hinata vs pain thing (although filler) nagato was pretty messed up. Suzuki was just giving one of his favorite characters her time to shine for a moment.
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lol calm down people. at least we know now that Hinata has a very shiny head of hair ^___^

you know, this episode reminded me of the sasuke-itachi fight where, after the rokubi arc (aka Utakata), Hebi was fighting Kisame. The animation looked bad then eventually it became better as the fight went on up to the Susano episode. This arc was also similar. it's just disappointing that the "better" animators started late in this arc.

with that said, I hope that the upcoming episodes will be great. yes, I still have hope. LOL

Yeah but the difference is. The itachi vs sasuke fight started slowly and got more intense as the story progressed. So the animation started out badly and became better as the content became better.

The pain vs naruto arc has a epic start(naruto fighting pain), a slow middle (pain speech and hinata) and a epic ending( can't spoil).

What does the studio do? Give the beginning bad animation and art, give the slow part EPIC animation and we'll have to see where we're headed. The next episode will probably have the best animation this arc. But we'll just have to see if they can continue the streak.

We know 167 will be monster like, lets hope they don't mess up 168 and 169 and save what little is left of the arc.

[$nipe]

I don't see how the Itachi vs. Sasuke fight started out bad, you get this amazing effect where the kage shuriken goes from regular spin to slow motion, among many other exquisite effects and nice drawings.

Good animation
http://www.gifsoup.com/view/370383/sasuke-vs-itachi-o.gif
Bad animation
http://i48.tinypic.com/qxpf2t.gif

[Alterno]

Not that I'm really dissagreeing with you. When kakashi fought pain, pain was at a 100%.

During this hinata vs pain thing (although filler) nagato was pretty messed up. Suzuki was just giving one of his favorite characters her time to shine for a moment.
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you say he was @ 100%, but he was already fighting since chapter 419, also when pain was fighting against Kakashi @ the same time he was fighting with other shinobi around Konoha, instead when Hinata fought him, he was focusing only in one body even with less, as shiran tensei need 5 seconds to gather the minimum chakra needed to perform it, so is not the kind of jutsu that weakens if used with less chakra, like Kagebunshin not jutsu, which you can increase or decrease the numbers, although using more chakra makes shiran tensei more powerful.

Check ch... 422 it begins with pain fighting all around Konoha and around page 6 the fighting between pain and kakashi continues. Pain took Kakashi out easily why should we hide it?, Kakashi couldn't even land attack by himself, that's the true, chouza and chouji did much more than him.

[cloud strife]

Thats what i call a true love. Awesomeness episode

[scandalous']

I don't see how the Itachi vs. Sasuke fight started out bad, you get this amazing effect where the kage shuriken goes from regular spin to slow motion, among many other exquisite effects and nice drawings.

Good animation
http://www.gifsoup.com/view/370383/sasuke-vs-itachi-o.gif
Bad animation
http://i48.tinypic.com/qxpf2t.gif

What I meant to say was.

It went from mediocre to epic. They had the priorities of importance right. The talking and flashback episodes got the mediocre animation, while amaterasu, kirin, and susano'o got epic animation.
Episode 135 was ok, 136 got better and 137 and 138 were epic.

The invasion arc went from mediocre 155-158 to ok 159 -161, to good 162 to epic failure 161-164 to good 165-167, while they should've started good imo then went bad for the talking episodes and back to good during the ending of the battle.


The studio got the priorities wrong..

Episodes that need good animation: 159, 163, 164, 167 and 169

Episodes that don't need good animation: 165 and 166 and 168

The episodes that are under the don't need good animation are mostly talking episodes which is why I don't care. The rest is action packed and imo needs suzuki kind of animation.

The kakashi vs pain should've had good animation and artwork. The naruto entrance and the fight should've had good artwork. The pain speech not so much. And I wouldn't have mind if 166 had bad animation as well.

[Mauricio Raphael]

A pretty average episode for me :oh

It was the filler that lower the quality of this episode.
Don't get me wrong; I appreciated the filler but did not like it. The flashback was alright but the dragging out of the Hinata-Pain fight I did not like as it couldn't have happened at any chance.

It would have been better to extend the flashbacks of Hinata-Naruto moments in previous episodes especially from the fight between Hinata and Neji. As for the Hinata-Pain fight, it should have been kept like it was in the manga: short. The dragging out of the fight made Pain seem even crueller and Hinata weaker. The end should have ended like it did in chapter 437 ;)

Other than that, everything was good. The only problem was I think they forgot to show Naruto's reaction face after Hinata confessed her love for him. It makes that moment more epic :tem

[scandalous']

you say he was @ 100%, but he was already fighting since chapter 419, also when pain was fighting against Kakashi @ the same time he was fighting with other shinobi around Konoha, instead when Hinata fought him, he was focusing only in one body even with less, as shiran tensei need 5 seconds to gather the minimum chakra needed to perform it, so is not the kind of jutsu that weakens if used with less chakra, like Kagebunshin not jutsu, which you can increase or decrease the numbers, although using more chakra makes shiran tensei more powerful.

Check ch... 422 it begins with pain fighting all around Konoha and around page 6 the fighting between pain and kakashi continues. Pain took Kakashi out easily why should we hide it?, Kakashi couldn't even land attack by himself, that's the true, chouza and chouji did much more than him.

You are forgetting the most important moment. Which was the huge shinra tensei that blew up konoha. Was it not for that. Nagato probably wouldn't have been the shape he is in.

[pjoto]

This is the first time ever I've ever bothered voting for an episode. But this one was amazing. The animations and the way they made the chapters work into one filling episode without making it stupid. And they really got the right feel into it.

[KSWriter]

A pretty average episode for me :oh

It was the filler that lower the quality of this episode.
Don't get me wrong; I appreciated the filler but did not like it. The flashback was alright but the dragging out of the Hinata-Pain fight I did not like as it couldn't have happened at any chance.

It would have been better to extend the flashbacks of Hinata-Naruto moments in previous episodes especially from the fight between Hinata and Neji. As for the Hinata-Pain fight, it should have been kept like it was in the manga: short. The dragging out of the fight made Pain seem even crueller and Hinata weaker. The end should have ended like it did in chapter 437 ;)

Other than that, everything was good. The only problem was I think they forgot to show Naruto's reaction face after Hinata confessed her love for him. It makes that moment more epic :tem

I don't get it. How on earth could Hinata seem weaker in the anime then in the manga? Her manga fight wasn't a fight. It was a speech then one panel of her running towards Pein and getting one-shoted. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/13/ That's the 'fight' that you think made her seem stronger then her anime portrayal. Seriously, I'm not meaning to sound angry or anything, but could someone explain this to mean? I don't see the logic.

[$nipe]

What I meant to say was.

It went from mediocre to epic. They had the priorities of importance right. The talking and flashback episodes got the mediocre animation, while amaterasu, kirin, and susano'o got epic animation.
Episode 135 was ok, 136 got better and 137 and 138 were epic.

The invasion arc went from mediocre 155-158 to ok 159 -161, to good 162 to epic failure 161-164 to good 165-167, while they should've started good imo then went bad for the talking episodes and back to good during the ending of the battle.


The studio got the priorities wrong..

Episodes that need good animation: 159, 163, 164, 167 and 169

Episodes that don't need good animation: 165 and 166 and 168

The episodes that are under the don't need good animation are mostly talking episodes which is why I don't care. The rest is action packed and imo needs suzuki kind of animation.

The kakashi vs pain should've had good animation and artwork. The naruto entrance and the fight should've had good artwork. The pain speech not so much. And I wouldn't have mind if 166 had bad animation as well.

Sure. I just didn't get to find a cool gif of the scene I was talking about, but my point was:

Sasuke mediocre animation >>> Naruto mediocre animation

Sasuke didn't really have "mediocre" animation. I think it had awesome scenes. To do it, it looked like some scenes were made with a bit more care, and then you had a couple of bad scenes in the same chapter. They gave a lot of emphasis on the movement and fighting scenes, something that wasn't really important in Naruto's fight.

P.S. Oh man, whining on animation is a good form of catharsis. (:

[Curryman]

You are forgetting the most important moment. Which was the huge shinra tensei that blew up konoha. Was it not for that. Nagato probably wouldn't have been the shape he is in.

He is not arguing that...He is trying to argue his point of Chouza and Choji doing more against Kakashi without adding such facts as the only reason either of them did anything is because Kakashi distracted God Realm. Or the fact that Kakashi fought TWO pain bodies at once or the fact that Kakashi would have actually killed Tendou had the other Pain not stepped in and took the blow. :eyeroll

Yeah Alterno is totally right though...:notrust

Oh let me add how this episode sucked because of filler by having no valid reason other than it being filler....:D

Oh and Pain having telekinesis now??? WTF?!
Whoever called him Ermac a while back deserves 10 high-fives.

[Pyrogunz]

Sure, this episode had epic animation, but it's a slap in the fact for anyone who wanted to see Naruto animated even 40% as well as this.

Comparison between Hinata in 165 and Hinata in 166:

165:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m73/PyrogunZ/Hinata1.jpg?t=1277555572

166:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m73/PyrogunZ/HINATA2.jpg?t=1277555622

I don't know about you, but I think the second picture looks a lot more appealing to me. It looks kind of blurry in that cap but you get the idea.

Meanwhile, the first picture is the quality at which the entire rest of the arc was at, including the fight where Kakashi truly dies, as well as most of Naruto's most important fight ever. I would have traded 166 for 163 or 164, during Naruto's greatest fight scenes, on any day of my life.

I don't watch this anime just for Hinata, I watch it for Naruto and if Naruto is animated so poorly and slapped around until he looks damn near silly, I consider that a serious and obvious problem for this anime. Sure I loved the animation in this episode but come on, it was all for like 2 taijutsu sequences, and we all know Hinata had no chance of winning. Just way over the top for someone like her, who by comparison to Naruto is such a minor character. I just wish this sort of high-quality animation could have been extended at least 10% into a fight where Naruto wasn't going Kyuubi, that's all.

Oh yeah, and we didn't see any of the rage animated into Naruto's face when he was going Kyuubi, so I'm pretty upset about that too.

[Evalis]

wow, the above picture is preschool level, was it take your kids to work day at perriot?

[Googlez_kun]

Sure, this episode had epic animation, but it's a slap in the fact for anyone who wanted to see Naruto animated even 40% as well as this.

Comparison between Hinata in 165 and Hinata in 166:

165:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m73/PyrogunZ/Hinata1.jpg?t=1277555572

166:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m73/PyrogunZ/HINATA2.jpg?t=1277555622

I don't know about you, but I think the second picture looks a lot more appealing to me. It looks kind of blurry in that cap but you get the idea.

Meanwhile, the first picture is the quality at which the entire rest of the arc was at, including the fight where Kakashi truly dies, as well as most of Naruto's most important fight ever. I would have traded 166 for 163 or 164, during Naruto's greatest fight scenes, on any day of my life.

I don't watch this anime just for Hinata, I watch it for Naruto and if Naruto is animated so poorly and slapped around until he looks damn near silly, I consider that a serious and obvious problem for this anime. Sure I loved the animation in this episode but come on, it was all for like 2 taijutsu sequences, and we all know Hinata had no chance of winning. Just way over the top for someone like her, who by comparison to Naruto is such a minor character. I just wish this sort of high-quality animation could have been extended at least 10% into a fight where Naruto wasn't going Kyuubi, that's all.

Oh yeah, and we didn't see any of the rage animated into Naruto's face when he was going Kyuubi, so I'm pretty upset about that too.

You really try hard to bash this episode don't ya?

You took the worst moment out of this fighting scene with low res and compare it to a HQ-Trailer....

[$nipe]

You really try hard to bash this episode don't ya?

You took the worst moment out of this fighting scene with low res and compare it to a HQ-Trailer....

I don't think the quality of the image has something to do with the quality of the art on both images. More sadly is the fact that the ugly hinata isn't taken from a fighting scene; it's more of those not-moving-too-much scenes that all mediocre teams draw with care. Hell, even fillers look pretty compared to that.

[UCHIHA JOHN]

What I meant to say was.

It went from mediocre to epic. They had the priorities of importance right. The talking and flashback episodes got the mediocre animation, while amaterasu, kirin, and susano'o got epic animation.
Episode 135 was ok, 136 got better and 137 and 138 were epic.

The invasion arc went from mediocre 155-158 to ok 159 -161, to good 162 to epic failure 161-164 to good 165-167, while they should've started good imo then went bad for the talking episodes and back to good during the ending of the battle.


The studio got the priorities wrong..

Episodes that need good animation: 159, 163, 164, 167 and 169

Episodes that don't need good animation: 165 and 166 and 168

The episodes that are under the don't need good animation are mostly talking episodes which is why I don't care. The rest is action packed and imo needs suzuki kind of animation.

The kakashi vs pain should've had good animation and artwork. The naruto entrance and the fight should've had good artwork. The pain speech not so much. And I wouldn't have mind if 166 had bad animation as well.
You are absolutely right Pierrot needs you there to tell them what to do right cause they don't seem to understand it themselves.

[AlB]

the episode was pure epicness. I loved absolutely everything, even the flashbacks. even though they were filler they didn't deviate much from cannon :) everybody was pretty much in character. Hinata - shy, Naruto - hero wannabe, Hiashi - Hiashi :p

last part of the episode (after Pain stabbed Hinata) was the most emotional. Naruto's reaction was awesome: "you... killed my godfather, you... killed my sensei, you obliterated my... whole fucking village, you killed the only being that cared for me back when I was town freak and yet you dare to lecture me... you fucking, insolent son of a bit... RAAAAWWWR *go bad-ass kyuubi mode*." that's what I saw in Naruto's face :)

[jdw]

How could anyone hate this:


http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8828/littlehinatabymush17.jpg

[Proxy]

This is by far my favorite episode of the series. Of course, my favorite character of the series is Hinata and I'm immensely biased by that, but w/e. In any case, I loved the flashback and I understand it, as I don't think they had space to filler up another one of the canon NaruHina encounters (their end is pretty well marked), so they went to Naruto's childhood, the biggest stock of filler space there is. The fight I enjoyed and they kept it real, as everyone knows that Pain is a billion times stronger than Hinata, but still gave her some action and whatnot.

I'm still saddened by the fact that I could not see what would have the jutsu done, but perhaps Kishimoto didn't allow the director to make up an effect for it, because he was meaning to reveal it in the future. But the focusing and the summoning of the tigers/dragons was amazing and Hinata's face was badass.

I have no idea how did she survive that fall..........

And the crawling scene........ that's true love, man. True love. One of the most agonizing scenes I have ever seen on any series. And the end to the scene was one of my favorite parts of the episode.

Naruto expressions just lacked sound, but I can actually see why they didn't give them sound. They tried to show Naruto's feelings through his face alone. Failed or not, I did see what they attempted to do. When Pain Tensei'd Hinata 100 feet in the air, Naruto face was very intense, his eyes turned huge in horrow. And when Pain got to Hinata to kill her, his face was of complete disbelief. Anything Pain said after he stabbed Hinata was completely ignored. Naruto just froze up and then responded by going Kyubbi Mode. No words needed.

This was an excellent episode overall (probably my favorite) and I hope that Kishi borrows some ideas from it. (As he did with the Iron Sand from the fillers)

[Googlez_kun]

This is by far my favorite episode of the series. Of course, my favorite character of the series is Hinata and I'm immensely biased by that, but w/e. In any case, I loved the flashback and I understand it, as I don't think they had space to filler up another one of the canon NaruHina encounters (their end is pretty well marked), so they went to Naruto's childhood, the biggest stock of filler space there is. The fight I enjoyed and they kept it real, as everyone knows that Pain is a billion times stronger than Hinata, but still gave her some action and whatnot.

I'm still saddened by the fact that I could not see what would have the jutsu done, but perhaps Kishimoto didn't allow the director to make up an effect for it, because he was meaning to reveal it in the future. But the focusing and the summoning of the tigers/dragons was amazing and Hinata's face was badass.

I have no idea how did she survive that fall..........

And the crawling scene........ that's true love, man. True love. One of the most agonizing scenes I have ever seen on any series. And the end to the scene was one of my favorite parts of the episode.

Naruto expressions just lacked sound, but I can actually see why they didn't give them sound. They tried to show Naruto's feelings through his face alone. Failed or not, I did see what they attempted to do. When Pain Tensei'd Hinata 100 feet in the air, Naruto face was very intense, his eyes turned huge in horrow. And when Pain got to Hinata to kill her, his face was of complete disbelief. Anything Pain said after he stabbed Hinata was completely ignored. Naruto just froze up and then responded by going Kyubbi Mode. No words needed.

This was an excellent episode overall (probably my favorite) and I hope that Kishi borrows some ideas from it. (As he did with the Iron Sand from the fillers)

What do you mean with that?

Totally agree with your post btw:hurr

[Proxy]

What do you mean with that?

Totally agree with your post btw:hurr
That he starts giving Hinata some actual spotlight, because of how cool she was in the filler.

Kishi has taken stuff from fillers and made the cannon before. The Third Kazekage's Iron Sand is an example, as they came out from that fat guy Hinata beat. (He controlled magnetism and did some random stuff with iron sand in the end.)

[Black God]

AAAAh man i thought this episode was sweet:clap. But i hated the animation:mad. Hinata's line were delivered well to naruto it was soooo sad:scry. And the music was a plus adding to the scene where hinata declarer's her love for naruto:clap2. Thought pein throwing hinata all over the crater was funny and sad. Stupid suzuki giving hinata a filler mom:mad. naruto look f-ing awesome on the floor i mean who want to see bad animation right i hope he stay's their tell they get a better animator to animate the rest of the fight.

[weehoo107]

Awesome animation, but I do have my problems with this episode.... Like Naruto's reaction when Hinata said she 'liked' him. (which should have been 'loved' btw. She just took stabs in the gut for him, you do not do that because you 'like' someone. Whenever someone was protecting someone else in the series, they'd always say "Someone you love..." or "Do you love someone?" or something like that... seriously, I think the translators are biased or something.../end rant/)

There were some other points that I didn't fully a agree with, but all in all, quite the satisfying episode. :hurr

[Xerous]

Idk where you guys keep seeing this like the one i saw said ''Love'' unfortunately i did feel that way towards the episode it was unrealistic (naruto standards of course for some i feel like i need to that out here) i hated the annoying long flashback and hinata repeatedly receiving the Sylar treatment was just boring all in all disappointment.
i'm sure someone'll delete this.

[Pyrogunz]

I don't hate the episode, again I love the episode, I just hate the way they've handled the series. And Naruto is 1000x more important than Hinata, in my books. I feel resent towards Hinata now. :/

[Curryman]

How come no-one has mentioned anything on where the hell Pain gained telekinesis? God Realm's power is to pull/push things from his center of gravity. How the hell did he get the power to make Hinata go straight up or straight down. The only way he should be able to do that is if he was directly underneath or directly above Hinata...:blink

[dr.mohd.arbash]

thats whats tendo powers are about .. it is not about shinra tensei and banshou tenn, even though they are the extreme form of it....

his powers are about attraction and repulsion.... so the animators were smart enough to get that fact and use it wisely, rather than copy/paste manga panels....

about manga vs anime:
manga : will be boring if kishimoto got into details of every single second coz we only get 16-19 pages weekly. you can imagine how boring the chapters will be if he just did it as detailed as the anime. too slow pace and no new things.

anime: you got plenty of time and powers (movement, voice, bgm, colors, time) so you have to live the chapters then make it a decent story... thats how it works imo.

[soulbane_zp]

I'm still saddened by the fact that I could not see what would have the jutsu done, but perhaps Kishimoto didn't allow the director to make up an effect for it, because he was meaning to reveal it in the future. But the focusing and the summoning of the tigers/dragons was amazing and Hinata's face was badass.

I have no idea how did she survive that fall..........

And the crawling scene........ that's true love, man. True love. One of the most agonizing scenes I have ever seen on any series. And the end to the scene was one of my favorite parts of the episode.


I don't think Kishimoto is involved in the making of the anime in any way or form. He only gave them the rights to use his characters, jutsus, story etc. What they do with it, it's up to the studio.

And that crawling scene. Talking about blowing things out of proportions. The anime guys will give a lot of people the wrong idea (with that flashback too), since that never happened in the manga. This is why Hinata is popular in the west :p. This is gonna make Naruto look even more bad when he forgets about Hinata for a long period of time (and still counting).

[Blade800]

How come no-one has mentioned anything on where the hell Pain gained telekinesis? God Realm's power is to pull/push things from his center of gravity. How the hell did he get the power to make Hinata go straight up or straight down. The only way he should be able to do that is if he was directly underneath or directly above Hinata...:blink


Yes, I was wondering about the same thing. It reminds me "grip force" in Star Wars when you can grip someone and throw him where you want. lol

[Paradoxicon]

Yes, I was wondering about the same thing. It reminds me "grip force" in Star Wars when you can grip someone and throw him where you want. lol

Chubaku Tensei will be the same thing. A gravitational spot pulling everything in its grasp towards it. Pain apparently can create that anywhere.

[Googlez_kun]

That he starts giving Hinata some actual spotlight, because of how cool she was in the filler.

Kishi has taken stuff from fillers and made the cannon before. The Third Kazekage's Iron Sand is an example, as they came out from that fat guy Hinata beat. (He controlled magnetism and did some random stuff with iron sand in the end.)

Yeah,mentioned that earlier already.^^

I see,never knew that.Or maybe they got inspired by it?The manga was in the Sasuke retrival arc II when they did the filler,so maybe they took it from the manga?

[Wint]

Kyuubi, give me some fucking power.
Well, what can I say... That was awesome and beyond awesome.
If I were Naruto, and someone killed the one who had just confessed her feelings for me, I would go fucking NINE TAILS, instantly, consequences be damned.
I absolutely adored Hinata, and that moment when she was crawling towards Naruto... damn, it was tear-jerking. I also hate cigarettes... Smoke gets in my eyes.

[Alterno]

Is true that Kishimoto has shown idea that we have seen in filler episodes, but to be honest the directors and him keep contact about how to get things done in the anime, especially when talking about characters, in fact there's an interview where talks about how bad he feels about giving the directors of the anime a hard time with Naruto's outfit.

Honestly from the fillers I've loved to see Hinata being in front of Naruto talking about nindo, Naruto doesn't speak about nindo anymore and that's was a very key part of the manga for very long.

[Mauricio Raphael]

I don't get it. How on earth could Hinata seem weaker in the anime then in the manga? Her manga fight wasn't a fight. It was a speech then one panel of her running towards Pein and getting one-shoted. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/13/ That's the 'fight' that you think made her seem stronger then her anime portrayal. Seriously, I'm not meaning to sound angry or anything, but could someone explain this to mean? I don't see the logic.

As I mentioned in my previous post, the fight between Hinata and Pain was short but to the point: we already knew that Hinata was weaker than him so an extended fight did not need to happen.

However, in comparison, the dragging out of the fight in the anime with Pain's frequent Shinra Tensei-ing of Hinata just unnecessarily reinforced that point of Hinata being weaker than him so to me, it made Hinata seemed much weaker especially with the blood over the face which in the manga, did not happened.

[Googlez_kun]

Is true that Kishimoto has shown idea that we have seen in filler episodes, but to be honest the directors and him keep contact about how to get things done in the anime, especially when talking about characters, in fact there's an interview where talks about how bad he feels about giving the directors of the anime a hard time with Naruto's outfit.

Honestly from the fillers I've loved to see Hinata being in front of Naruto talking about nindo, Naruto doesn't speak about nindo anymore and that's was a very key part of the manga for very long.



Er...Kishimoto does not work with the anime team at all.There were several mistakes in the anime or rather in the fillers,that would not have happened if they had asked Kishimoto.

And what Kishimoto said in the interview is that he pities the team for creating so many difficult outfits in his manga.Not hat he would be in contact with them,he probably just saw how terribly drawn they were in the anime lol

[Curryman]

thats whats tendo powers are about .. it is not about shinra tensei and banshou tenn, even though they are the extreme form of it....

his powers are about attraction and repulsion.... so the animators were smart enough to get that fact and use it wisely, rather than copy/paste manga panels....

about manga vs anime:
manga : will be boring if kishimoto got into details of every single second coz we only get 16-19 pages weekly. you can imagine how boring the chapters will be if he just did it as detailed as the anime. too slow pace and no new things.

anime: you got plenty of time and powers (movement, voice, bgm, colors, time) so you have to live the chapters then make it a decent story... thats how it works imo.

No....It isn't:blink. His powers are attraction and repulsion from his body itself unless he uses Chibaku Tensei and even then Chibaku Tensei works the same way. Everything gets pulled directly to the center of the sphere from all directions creating the ball. His body works the same way like Chibaku Tensei. He can't push pull things from random points in the air....Kakashi even explains clearly how it works in the manga and the anime and Pierrot just throws it out the window and makes him Ermac...:blink

It's like they watched the episode where Frieza killed Krillin and a lightbulb went off in their head.

[gh0un]

He can't push pull things from random points in the air....Kakashi even explains clearly how it works in the manga and the anime and Pierrot just throws it out the window and makes him Ermac...:blink


Shinra tensei her into the air and then after 5 seconds bansho tenin her into the ground, case solved.

Thats some terrible nitpicking you people are doing, seriously...

[Xerous]

thats whats tendo powers are about .. it is not about shinra tensei and banshou tenn, even though they are the extreme form of it....

his powers are about attraction and repulsion.... so the animators were smart enough to get that fact and use it wisely, rather than copy/paste manga panels....

about manga vs anime:
manga : will be boring if kishimoto got into details of every single second coz we only get 16-19 pages weekly. you can imagine how boring the chapters will be if he just did it as detailed as the anime. too slow pace and no new things.

anime: you got plenty of time and powers (movement, voice, bgm, colors, time) so you have to live the chapters then make it a decent story... thats how it works imo.

even if he did i doubt he would do it like that

[Alterno]

Er...Kishimoto does not work with the anime team at all.There were several mistakes in the anime or rather in the fillers,that would not have happened if they had asked Kishimoto.

And what Kishimoto said in the interview is that he pities the team for creating so many difficult outfits in his manga.Not hat he would be in contact with them,he probably just saw how terribly drawn they were in the anime lol

compressive lecture!!!

Not one said Kishimoto works with the anime team, being in contact, being consulted on weekly basis as written in interviews is different, never said he worked with the anime team, but I guess just reading don't help. Neither get your hope so highs, because there are many mistakes in the manga that appear as it in the Anime... just an example

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/163/03/

In the anime, naruto appears just like that...

also check this out... look at Sakura's back in the second panel
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/4/02/

There's nothing on it, now look at her back in

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/4/12/

And there are many more, i have read the manga till the current volume available (English) so many times and own all the dvd volumes released so far, what can I say ... I'm a geek. Of course I have digital copies from scanlators but is not the same than touching the book or watching the anime in TV :P.

There are also several errors in continuity in the manga fixed in the anime, but there also several continuity screw up in the anime, as result of some fillers.

[Suzaku]

There are art errors in the manga but they are almost always fixed for the tankoban releases.

There are also sometimes errors caused by scanlators, because they sometimes use low quality scans where details aren't very clear. Many manga groups also actually redraw a lot of stuff because the scans are poor quality (due mainly to the cheap paper used for weekly shonen jump).

[Kozar927]

Kishimosto is absolutely in contact with the anime team for weekly meetings about the progression of the story and what they can and cant put in to aviod future inconsistencys. you guys might hate to here this but kishi does sign off on whats going into the anime... he knows and approves

[scandalous']

I kinda agree with that one guy who posted the inconsistency about bansho tenin and shinra tensei. What god realm basically did was something that's not really in his power.

He can only pull and push object away with him acting as a center. Meaning something in front of him can only be pushed backwards, or pulled towards him in a straight line. He can only pull something upwards with bansho tenin, if it's beneath him, and he can only pull something down if it's above him.

Although he has shown that he can blow everything away in a 360 radius. And this is the only way I can see him sending something flying randomly like how he did with kakashi, (like here) http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/420/10/
but that obviously wasn't the case in the episode. He moved his hand, and hinata followed. Not really how his power works.

With shinra tensei everything is pushed back in a straight line. Meaning, when someone is running towards god realm in a straight line, he can only push them back on the same path that person came running from. He can't magically make that person fly to the left or right.

He also can't just magically make things float all over the place like he's in control of the body. It would be inconsistent to what kishi explained.

Btw I'm not complaining or anything. I don't care if god realms powers were inaccurate, they were portrayed in the coolest way possible and I love the episode:D.

[Curryman]

Shinra tensei her into the air and then after 5 seconds bansho tenin her into the ground, case solved.

Thats some terrible nitpicking you people are doing, seriously...

I'm not nitpicking...I loved the episode.:)

I'm was trying to prove a point that they gave God Realm filler powers in this episode, which they did.

[KSWriter]

As I mentioned in my previous post, the fight between Hinata and Pain was short but to the point: we already knew that Hinata was weaker than him so an extended fight did not need to happen.

However, in comparison, the dragging out of the fight in the anime with Pain's frequent Shinra Tensei-ing of Hinata just unnecessarily reinforced that point of Hinata being weaker than him so to me, it made Hinata seemed much weaker especially with the blood over the face which in the manga, did not happened.

I get your point, but I can't say I agree with it. The anime showed Hinata being more intelligent (by trying to free Naruto instead of going right at Pain), and, to me at least, Hinata getting up from all the Shinra Tensei made her seem more... resilient? Not quite the right word, but close enough. And, to be honest, I thought the blood on the face was pretty bad ass, but that's just an opinion. And it did happen in the manga. On the page I pointed out earlier, she's bleeding from the mouth.

[Paradoxicon]

Is true that Kishimoto has shown idea that we have seen in filler episodes, but to be honest the directors and him keep contact about how to get things done in the anime, especially when talking about characters, in fact there's an interview where talks about how bad he feels about giving the directors of the anime a hard time with Naruto's outfit.

Honestly from the fillers I've loved to see Hinata being in front of Naruto talking about nindo, Naruto doesn't speak about nindo anymore and that's was a very key part of the manga for very long.



Not sure about this, but the metal guy Hinata fought in the fillers was shown pretty late, while the Kazekage puppet was shown quite early in part II. So they might have copied that.

Actually the manga was pretty far ahead, now that I think about it. For example they showed Ino learning and using healing jutsu in the fillers while it was only revealed she became a medical nin in the Asuma arc.

[DanielKnoT]

How can anyone give less than 5 points to this episode? :notrust

It was the best animation in a very, very long time,.. I knew that this director would do it well..

[Googlez_kun]

I kinda agree with that one guy who posted the inconsistency about bansho tenin and shinra tensei. What god realm basically did was something that's not really in his power.

He can only pull and push object away with him acting as a center. Meaning something in front of him can only be pushed backwards, or pulled towards him in a straight line. He can only pull something upwards with bansho tenin, if it's beneath him, and he can only pull something down if it's above him.

Although he has shown that he can blow everything away in a 360 radius. And this is the only way I can see him sending something flying randomly like how he did with kakashi, (like here) http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/420/10/
but that obviously wasn't the case in the episode. He moved his hand, and hinata followed. Not really how his power works.

With shinra tensei everything is pushed back in a straight line. Meaning, when someone is running towards god realm in a straight line, he can only push them back on the same path that person came running from. He can't magically make that person fly to the left or right.

He also can't just magically make things float all over the place like he's in control of the body. It would be inconsistent to what kishi explained.

Btw I'm not complaining or anything. I don't care if god realms powers were inaccurate, they were portrayed in the coolest way possible and I love the episode:D.

Sorry to kinda destroy your post,but look at those pages:
http://img-c.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000149822/07.jpg
http://img-c.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000149822/08-09.jpg
Suzuki did not make a mistake.^^

[scandalous']

Sorry to kinda destroy your post,but look at those pages:
http://img-c.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000149822/07.jpg
http://img-c.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000149822/08-09.jpg
Suzuki did not make a mistake.^^

How does that destroy my post? He could've just bansho tenin'd the rock and released his jutsu while the rock was in mid air when it was on course with the kyuubi and let gravity do it's work. It's not at all the same thing as what he did with hinata....

[Googlez_kun]

How does that destroy my post? He could've just bansho tenin'd the rock and released his jutsu while the rock was in mid air when it was on course with the kyuubi and let gravity do it's work. It's not at all the same thing as what he did with hinata....

It came from the side and not towards Pain.

[Curryman]

It came from the side and not towards Pain.

Look at the page prior Kyuubi getting hit. The rock came from behind it. Once again guys Pain does not have telekinesis. Otherwise why couldn't he have just pushed the Kyubbi itself sideways or up which would have been much easier to avoid the blast??? Why would he pull a giant rock from far away in the same direction as him and kyuubi?;)

WTF? I can't believe this is even being argued for this long.:blink
I thought it was clear and obvious to everyone how God Realm's powers work.:facepalm

[Xerous]

How can anyone give less than 5 points to this episode? :notrust

It was the best animation in a very, very long time,.. I knew that this director would do it well..

because we're not drones and we all have our own preferences.:notrust

[hossice]

I did think it was kinda weird how he hurrled hinata into the air while moving his hand. :o

[ninjaman]

nothing weird about it really, just directing.

[Xerous]

but thats not how it works

[Exodi]

but thats not how it works

The anime is an adaptation. Don't expect everything to be exactly the same as the manga. Why would you want it to be, anyway?

Like ninjaman said, whoever did this episode decided to show Shinra Tensei a bit differently.

[Xerous]

The anime is an adaptation. Don't expect everything to be exactly the same as the manga. Why would you want it to be, anyway?

Like ninjaman said, whoever did this episode decided to show Shinra Tensei a bit differently.

I don't think anyone wants it exactly like the manga c'mon my big jutsu vs his big jutsu all the time is boring. I think we rely on filler scenes but altering a technique going to far in my opinion.

[Razh]

Didn't have time to watch it before.

What can I say... It's retarded. Lmao, just joking. The animation is awesome, of course. It's such a shame that this is where it's used, after all these important episodes. Too bad about those "experiments" in previous episodes. Really, it's a great episode.

But there are couple of things that are not really that good. I realize they couldn't make Hinata pull out those rods, because Naruto could be able to move then. But trying to break them? What good will that do? They are still inside, only harder to pull out now...:s

Then Pain getting the power of telekinesis all of a sudden. Tossing arround Hinata like a puppet... Once more, the animation itself is awesome, flashbacks aren't bad either. They aren't in real time so they can last longer without making the current event looking silly.
I don't know who directed this episode, but what the hell were they thinking? Not one person from the village even tries to help while the poor girl is being thrown around like a puppet. Makes you feel like an idiot just watching that.
Was there no other way to portray Hinata fighting for her loved one? I mean the way that doesn't give Pain new powers and makes the village look like a bunch of blind and deaf retards? Like, they could have used some creativeness. This stuff was easy, probably thought of in 5 minutes, without any regard to making some fucking sense.

Anyway, a great episode, awesome animation (at a lousy time), but a retarded way of extending a battle scene.

[Brill]

Didn't have time to watch it before.

But there are couple of things that are not really that good. I realize they couldn't make Hinata pull out those rods, because Naruto could be able to move then. But trying to break them? What good will that do? They are still inside, only harder to pull out now...:s

Well sizes matters...for once. Smaller rods don't have the same potency, but the next episode invalidates this issue anyway.



...I don't know who directed this episode, but what the hell were they thinking? Not one person from the village even tries to help while the poor girl is being thrown around like a puppet. Makes you feel like an idiot just watching that.

Well they didn't do anything as Pain jammed those rods in either. Every group had a Hyuuga lackey so why didn't they mobilize before Hinata shows up? Can't be too critical all the time otherwise we wouldn't get the good stuff coming next week.


Was there no other way to portray Hinata fighting for her loved one? I mean the way that doesn't give Pain new powers and makes the village look like a bunch of blind and deaf retards? Like, they could have used some creativeness. This stuff was easy, probably thought of in 5 minutes, without any regard to making some fucking sense.

Instead of a dead run, 3 spins, and a faceplant? I thought they did rather well. You go too far and people complains that it violates the manga. Your damned if you do, and damed if you don't. Why does everyone have a problem with Shinra Tensi groing up? You know if you only apply force to the top torso of a person, they do begin to spin.

[Razh]

Well sizes matters...for once. Smaller rods don't have the same potency, but the next episode invalidates this issue anyway.

I didn't ask for an explanation really. It's just a silly filler.



Well they didn't do anything as Pain jammed those rods in either. Every group had a Hyuuga lackey so why didn't they mobilize before Hinata shows up? Can't be too critical all the time otherwise we wouldn't get the good stuff coming next week.

It was retarded in manga as well. No need to even extend it in anime.
They might as well animated Hinata calling for help and Sakura and others pretending not to hear it.

Can't be too critical? I was being light, you know. It bothers me that the animators consider their audience that dumb. They think the kids don't get it, but kids are pretty smart, especially nowadays.
I'm pretty sure that quite a few of the kids asked themselves or someone else: "How come nobody came to help them? (we just saw the clip of the others taking it easy and planning how to find real Pain)"



Instead of a dead run, 3 spins, and a faceplant? I thought they did rather well. You go too far and people complains that it violates the manga. Your damned if you do, and damed if you don't. Why does everyone have a problem with Shinra Tensi groing up? You know if you only apply force to the top torso of a person, they do begin to spin.

I don't mind a good battle filler. That's what an anime version is supposed to give us, anyway. It's the bad placement that bothers me.

The Shinra Tensei thing bothers me because Pain could have thrown Hinata around even without violating manga canon. Just so that we could see a slow motion of Hinata falling down, and Naruto spreding his eyes wiiiide (Jesus were they wide) looking up.

If you can't get what bothers me... Well, dunno. Keep on living your life.

[Kozar927]

I dont get the people I stood along side and complained with for weeks and weeks, our day has finally come and Im happy but I look around and you all found something new to complain about. This episode was brilliant, and im starting to feel all the ppl I associated my self with wernt just critial of animation like I am, they just want to complain about something. That makes me sad :'(

[Razh]

Again, it's not the animation, it's direction that bothers me. I don't know how many times I have to repeat that shit.

The "fight" was overextended, to the point it started looking ridiculous. In manga, Hinata was pwned fast and Naruto flipped right away. In anime, he just watched her flying around and getting messed up and beaten, but he just didn't get angry enough until Pain killed her. Yeah, makes perfect sense.

Animation, awesome, direction, lawlsome.

[Kozar927]

Again, it's not the animation, it's direction that bothers me. I don't know how many times I have to repeat that shit.

The "fight" was overextended, to the point it started looking ridiculous. In manga, Hinata was pwned fast and Naruto flipped right away. In anime, he just watched her flying around and getting messed up and beaten, but he just didn't get angry enough until Pain killed her. Yeah, makes perfect sense.

Animation, awesome, direction, lawlsome.

I know I stated clearly that now that we got good animation people found other stuff to complain about. In this case the direction. You assume that I ment you said animation was bad even tho I didnt say that at all. Im saying I think the direction was also flawless, Over the top or not the manga consisted of one little picture of hinata loseing. Fr god sake the anime isnt the manga its gotta be its own entity or it would still be just a freaking slide show.

the filler was perfict and at a level that the anime should always be at

[Razh]

For the record, I always complained about direction.

Also, please don't make it look like I want for anime to consist only of pictures in manga. That's not what I was saying and you know it. All I said is that Hinata fighting was directed poorly. Something that a kid could think off. Lets just make Pain toss her around for a while. My, my, that's fucking creative.
Not to mention the fact that even stronger men went down from less Shinras. The episode in itself is awesome. When I put it into the story context, thew "fight" is badly though out. That's me objectively speaking. I already gave more than enough explanations why I think so. What's so hard to understand? What, one awesomely animated episode is going to make me forget about all the problems that anime has been going through for quite a long time now?

Maybe instead of trying to make me look like a party breaker, you could say why you think it was awesome that Hinata was tougher than Kakashi or big frogs, or why you think it was awesome how Naruto wasn't pissed off UNTIL Hinata died.

It's like:"Yeah, just throw that bitch around, I'm just gonna watch, but if you kill her, Ima get really mad."
Because we all know that's a kind of guy Naruto is. He doesn't really get pissed until after someone dies.

I repeat, it looked alright in manga. Naruto barely overcame surprise of seeing Hinata there, and then suddenly she was dead. In anime, she was just flying around, hitting the dirt, and Naruto - nothing. Just watching concerned. Not a slight of anger in him, until she died that is.

[$nipe]

I know I stated clearly that now that we got good animation people found other stuff to complain about. In this case the direction. You assume that I ment you said animation was bad even tho I didnt say that at all. Im saying I think the direction was also flawless, Over the top or not the manga consisted of one little picture of hinata loseing. Fr god sake the anime isnt the manga its gotta be its own entity or it would still be just a freaking slide show.

the filler was perfict and at a level that the anime should always be at

In my case, I believe direction (as in storyboarding and getting the right elements at the right time) was way awesome. My bashing comes from doing it at the wrong time, using content that wasn't canon/necessary, and extending the whole hinata thing to the point of being ridiculous. It's not that I don't LOVE the drawings, the style and the whole feeling to it; it's that if I wanted a one-time display of good quality every six months, I would rather watch the ugly movies (something I have never done).

[Xerous]

I know I stated clearly that now that we got good animation people found other stuff to complain about. In this case the direction. You assume that I ment you said animation was bad even tho I didnt say that at all. Im saying I think the direction was also flawless, Over the top or not the manga consisted of one little picture of hinata loseing. Fr god sake the anime isnt the manga its gotta be its own entity or it would still be just a freaking slide show.

the filler was perfict and at a level that the anime should always be at

So if they had naruto using rasengans like bowling balls for 6mins you would say I love this episode!!:D.......no:notrust

[Nicholas.Sama]

So if they had naruto using rasengans like bowling balls for 6mins you would say I love this episode!!:D.......no:notrust

Did they? no
How does that equate to this situation? These fillers are nothing like that.

[Xerous]

his reasoning about Pein was because it was the anime version so i wanted his opinion on the scenario i laid out.

[Kozar927]

his reasoning about Pein was because it was the anime version so i wanted his opinion on the scenario i laid out.

No that scenario was terrible and yes I would complain Im saying this PARTICULAR scenario was gold
[hr]

For the record, I always complained about direction.

Also, please don't make it look like I want for anime to consist only of pictures in manga. That's not what I was saying and you know it. All I said is that Hinata fighting was directed poorly. Something that a kid could think off. Lets just make Pain toss her around for a while. My, my, that's fucking creative.
Not to mention the fact that even stronger men went down from less Shinras. The episode in itself is awesome. When I put it into the story context, thew "fight" is badly though out. That's me objectively speaking. I already gave more than enough explanations why I think so. What's so hard to understand? What, one awesomely animated episode is going to make me forget about all the problems that anime has been going through for quite a long time now?

Maybe instead of trying to make me look like a party breaker, you could say why you think it was awesome that Hinata was tougher than Kakashi or big frogs, or why you think it was awesome how Naruto wasn't pissed off UNTIL Hinata died.

It's like:"Yeah, just throw that bitch around, I'm just gonna watch, but if you kill her, Ima get really mad."
Because we all know that's a kind of guy Naruto is. He doesn't really get pissed until after someone dies.

I repeat, it looked alright in manga. Naruto barely overcame surprise of seeing Hinata there, and then suddenly she was dead. In anime, she was just flying around, hitting the dirt, and Naruto - nothing. Just watching concerned. Not a slight of anger in him, until she died that is.

I will say since you mentioned it a problem I DID have with the episode was the lack of naruto reactions. It felt a little odd he didnt have to many sevear reactions to what was happening. And another thing Im not trying to make you look any way in particular, im just saying I have seen such worse things to complain about in the naruto anime before and compared to thoes this is pretty damn good

[Xerous]

It's gold if you compare it to something worse? what a lousy excuse for reasoning that's like saying i'm a saint because I compared myself with a child molester.

[Razh]

I will say since you mentioned it a problem I DID have with the episode was the lack of naruto reactions. It felt a little odd he didnt have to many sevear reactions to what was happening. And another thing Im not trying to make you look any way in particular, im just saying I have seen such worse things to complain about in the naruto anime before and compared to thoes this is pretty damn good

Well, I did give this episode a highest grade in quite a while. But that doesn't mean that it didn't have problems. I just happened to describe in detail what bothered me.
I wish the creators had more inspiration. For some reason, they keep dumbing it down at times. Like that time when they actually explained what Naruto did with smoke and FRS, even when a little kid could understand right away.