Naruto Shippuuden Episode 167 Discussion

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[DarkAp89]

Imho, this is awesome. The best of Naruto series.

Action, music, atmosphere.... unique.
That's not total canon, a lot of filler fight.
Drawings are the typical style of Wakabayashi, very smooth. For me is fine, but I've already seen the comment on Crunchyroll with "sloppy animation; bleah; pure shit" WTF, they aren't understand nothing!

The ending is ok.

[Jassaray]

Amazing episode. That is all.

Wonderful music, suspense, emotion and animation. Brilliant.
[hr]

Imho, this is awesome. The best of Naruto series.

Action, music, atmosphere.... unique.
That's not total canon, a lot of filler fight.
Drawings are the typical style of Wakabayashi, very smooth. For me is fine, but I've already seen the comment on Crunchyroll with "sloppy animation; bleah; pure shit" WTF, they aren't understand nothing!

The ending is ok.

IT's because they're simple minded and can't accept any other animation than the norm. I think it was beautiful and fluid, really made the ep for me.

[Cobra826]

ep 167 stream

http://www.myanimebucket.com/naruto-shippuuden-episode-167/

[DarkAp89]

I can't recognize who done the next episode ... some scenes seem to have the style of Eum Ik-Hyun, he may have collaborated with another animator ...

[maideth]

epic ep,yondy entrance was pure win

[DarkAp89]

Thanks thi poll is public.....
I'm curious about the votes: 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....

I want the reasons about the votes.

[ForMotherRussia]

this is awesome, reminds me of Naruto-Sasuke fight in VOTE.

[Tamata]

wonderful animation, music and fluidity but the drawings, I'm absolutely disgusted with it. 168 seems to have nice drawings.

8/10 for me.

[Wint]

9/10 for me. Kyuubi machine-gun ftmfw!
Not 10 because of the obvious blunders, like Pain's distorted face. Smells VERY strongly of Naruto vs Sasuke.

[LnDRash]

I dont mind the animation or the art style... but seriously wtf???

Kyubi hammers Pain with a rock into the ground like some kind of nail? Is this a Tom and Jerry Cartoon or Naruto? -.-

As Shin Akuma said: This is a disaster...

[LeDuck]

Okay, I laughed so hard, my eyes are full of tears and I have no idea what the fuck I just saw. Have to rewatch the episode, I don't think I can say anything at the moment. I only know one thing, this episode is going to brand itself so hard into the history of Anime.

[Jspot]

The only good thing about this episode was:

Yondaime's entrance. Naruto's speechlessness added to the atmosphere a lot.

[Kozar927]

OK I .... um ... i really dont know what to say. I have very strongly mixed feelings about this episode. In a way I feel like I just witnessed one of the best episodes ever made of a diffrent show lol. I wanna start by saying this guys style has changed alot since 133. weather that or some else helped him. I dnt think the sceans that are making everone mad are poorly drawn their just not a style that fits naruto. IDK i guess I must feel dissapointed, but im not ure how to pick out were the disappointment ends and my appreciation of amazing animation that must of took alot of time and money begins. I think imma watch it again then edit this post but for now I will say this

animation 10/10
Does the animation fit naruto? No

Rewatched a few select sceans and I think I feel a little betetr about the episode. I will say this it gets alot of point for simply wowing me with animation, not wow in a suzuki episode sort of way., but like wow in I just witnessed anime history being made sort of way just like leduck said

[Shinsatsu]

I must be honest, this is the worst Naruto animation I've ever seen. whatever happened to the first arc artists. Whatever happened to the goddamn naruto we know...
An episode of this magnitude... to be executed like this is a real shame.

P.S: where the hell all the water came from? and wtf are those roots... did he learn mokuton or something? If you want to add something to the fight, you should think of some rational stuff not like this alien shit.

I gave up on Naruto Anime.

[gh0un]

The drawings look extremely different, just like back in the zabuza arc and i liked that drawing style a lot.
Its a drawing style where everything looks "uglier" in favour of great facial expressions (look at how pain rages chibaku tensei etc).

The three dimensional look was awesome just like back in the zabuza endfight.
Id really like having only this kind of animation, it really makes it look more mature and like an old japanese anime.

9/10


Btw anyone who rages where the first arc animators are. This was animated by the one who did sasuke vs naruto and that episode also had that "uglier" style in favour of "matureness".
If you didnt like that one then you shouldnt have expected anything from this episode.

[UCHIHA JOHN]

Great episode and it reminds me of the sasuke vs naruto fight but even though it had some crazy awesome scenes they were some other scenes that the characters and drawing were totally deformed like a mass of colours moving and the backround at the beggining looked a little fake but it has this other awesome scenes that made up for it 9/10 from me it was something different from what we are used to see some people will not understand it for sure.It definatly needs to be seen more than once exactly after the first time to understand everything that happens.And naruto smacking the head of pain with a big rock freaking hilarious and pain running like a looney toons cartoon on the water

[Kozar927]

@Jassaray: no offense pal, you are waaaay off the mark. even if you set aside the crap animation style, what in the hell was that? does anybody from the manga review this stuff?
fricking star trek lazers, purple shields, belly flop shinra tenseis, and frickin pain getting hammered down like a nail (literally!!!) and i could go on and on...
omfg they completely ruined it, if a weeks not enough to make an episode just take some more time, you dont have to resort to destroying the anime
sigh

According to what I read this episode was in production before any other episode in the entire arc was so all thoes episodes that came before had much lower budget and the time put into them was less, these are just facts.

[dr.mohd.arbash]

damn ... this is what i call imagination and epicness

i dont mind the distorted faces ..... since they give epicness.... T_T

166+167: i m loving them

i hope we keep this excitement ... i wanna forget boring, sleep medicine episodes

[Blitzace]

Who turned pain into roadrunner, Seriously !?

This episode is laughable.

[slmcknett]

Well now that I've watched it I understand the hate about the animation. Usually, I like fluid animation, but I feel that they made it too fluid. It was still a good episode overall, just some weird animation here and there made it a bit unbearable to watch at times.

I feel as if this was a different show, like Gurren Lagann, then the animation would have been a much better fit. But as for Naruto...meh, kinda weird.

Although, the music and the pacing was alright. So i'll give it a 7/10, just because it could have been better, but it wasn't complete crap.

PS. I loved the Chibaku Tensei scene. It look so godly ^_^

[Deamon]

According to what I read this episode was in production before any other episode in the entire arc was so all thoes episodes that came before had much lower budget and the time put into them was less, these are just facts.

thanks for the info, but doesn't that make it even worse?

[slmcknett]

and wtf? gods realm using suiton? a cheap way to copy the VoTE fight. What about each pains ability to only use 1 jutsu?!?!

I think Pain was just using his gravity techniques to move the water, kinda like how he makes it rain.;) But, I'm not entirely sure; I'll have to watch it again.
[hr]
Also, yeah, the Fourth showing up was amazing. He looked so badass sittin there on that rock. :)

[Kozar927]

thanks for the info, but doesn't that make it even worse?

Considering I find this episode genius not for me... lol
that being said In terms of a naruto episode its not very good, but like I said before in general terms this is anime history it will be a fight shown to represent anime as a whole in future things I belive.

It just dosnt work for naruto. I dont know I cant understand fully how I feel about what they did with this ep yet. I know I have strong emotions tword it Im just at a loss as to what they are

Again will post them when I know :P
Gave it a 10/10 just due to the feelings its inspired in me

[Shinsatsu]

To the people who say the animation is good:

Can you please tell me who the FCK is this guy?
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/shinakumax/1-1.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/shinakumax/2-1.jpg

[dr.mohd.arbash]

To the people who say the animation is good:

Can you please tell me who the FCK is this guy?
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/shinakumax/1-1.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/shinakumax/2-1.jpg

epic expressions .... i dont know how cant u feel it

or rather we wanna watch the anime and sleep .. :(

[slmcknett]

On a side note, I love how Shin Akuma's attitude towards this episode completely mirrors the personality of the character displayed in his avatar. :p

[Kozar927]

I say I would still take an ep like this any day over the crap when had in this arc up untill last ep. I mean camon Id rather have exciting controversial animation then boaring nothing is happening why am I even watching this, animation. Also direction, I mean camon they explained narutos smoke bomb trick... -___- I almost fell asleep. At least for this im on the edge of my seat and it has value for that reason alone.

Im an anime fan first and a naruto fan second. Naruto didnt get me into the genre it was just another of the many things within it I enjoy

[Shinsatsu]

HAHAHAH ... I am the one who's wondering how can u accept stuff like this ...
look at this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sc2pfx_o8Q&feature=related
made by one guy (not an anime company)
It looks somehow less disastrous... AT LEAST he created the real events not some water wood and laser beams.

[Shinsatsu]

Whoever made this episode of Naruto Shippuden should be killed. This is bloody horrible. Are they trying to make me MAD?

To be honest, It seems like they're trolling us.

When I started watching episode I went back and doublechecked if it's naruto or not... I even checked Naruto website to see the calendar ... I thought it was a troll from animefreak.

[LDBoblo]

Uh...what the hell was that? I mean in coolness it was alright I guess, despite the wretched drawing in places...but it just wasn't Naruto. What's with all the crazy jutsu coming out of Deva Path? It's like the guys who were doing this episode didn't even bother to look at the manga.

[Kozar927]

Ok all your basing aside weither you like the style or not do not confuse this with the budget that went into this episode... it was enormous. They pulled out every stop. Just not good style for naruto is all

[ninjaman]

you guys are scaring me. The episode cant be bad :( after how epic the ending of the last one was.

[TheMaX]

This episode was nice, and we finally know how chibaku tensei works!

[slmcknett]

I've got all ya beat

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4195/paink.png

:P

EDIT: Basically, yeah, again, if this was in Gurren Lagann, then it would probably be the build up to yet another intensely epic fight:p

EDIT 2: Although, now that I think about it, this scene feels like it was done for the guys who did episode 4 of Gurren Lagann. And that was a piece of crap >_>...

[Shinsatsu]

so, u prefer this crap over full-frame animation? I got bad news for you, man, you have no taste in animation whatsoever.

Dude, do u compare a fanmade animation to a company's one?
I still cant believe that you're serious about this.

Do you remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykDfMHZxjak&feature=related

P.S: I will pretend I didnt see the offence in your post.

[Muhbaer]

I liked the episode, but those face-liftings were unnecessary

[DarkAp89]

To the people who say the animation is good:

Can you please tell me who the FCK is this guy?
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/shinakumax/1-1.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/shinakumax/2-1.jpg

In the first you catch a smooth frame. This have smooth animation for smooth action.

The second screen is really OK. It's only the facial expression that is wrong... for you.

[Gats]

Ok I just watched the episode.

Let me remind you that the guy who made this episode is the same who made Naruto vs Sasuke part 1. He was not praised for his regular art (actually it's not that he doesn't know to draw Naruto, it's just his style), but for the amazing motion in battle and the amazing details from things like faces motions etc.

Now, the problem is...this time he overdid it (he did the episode alone). I mean he took too many liberties with the manga. Filler fight is ok, but I think that's too much. He put too many personal art touch unlike the Naruto vs Sasuke part 1 (VOTE). For example the part when Kyuubi changed so much his chakra shape is theorically, fine, it could do it, but that's too much to the point that it would disturb people (and I'm right by seeing the posts here). Same with the character's face, motion very skilled, but too much, it turned to be kinda ugly but I understand the style.

I was laughing when I saw Pain being hammered by Kyuubi, wtf is that ?! Another part here he overdid it. ><

The motion's quality is very high, he is the type of animator who "sacrifices" the art quality for an amazing motion/movements, but I have to say that it was too much, once again. The music was good.

Now the difference between him and the animators from 163/164, is that he did this way because it's his style, while the others did because they couldn't do otherwise (beautiful art when there is no movement, but when characters are moving or fighting it's horrible, while the animator of 167 keeps the same style all the time).

I'm thinking about the evaluation.


edit : guys who picked up those pictures are a bit unfair. One picture is about a slow motion of Kyuubi hitting Pain, like Matrix. The second one is just about facial expression. The third one is fuckingly ugly but I know this is personal touch in fight, but I think it was too much this time.
And please, put a spoiler tag for the pictures, or give a link, thanks.

[Deamon]

I say I would still take an ep like this any day over the crap when had in this arc up untill last ep. I mean camon Id rather have exciting controversial animation then boaring nothing is happening why am I even watching this, animation. Also direction, I mean camon they explained narutos smoke bomb trick... -___- I almost fell asleep. At least for this im on the edge of my seat and it has value for that reason alone.

Im an anime fan first and a naruto fan second. Naruto didnt get me into the genre it was just another of the many things within it I enjoy

i guess thats the difference. i agree this anime arcs been crap but this can't be the answer like look at one piece, bleach, fma. if somebody wanted JUST GOOD ANIME they shouldn't bother with something like naruto imo

[ForMotherRussia]

Dude, do u compare a fanmade animation to a company's one?
I still cant believe that you're serious about this.

Do you remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykDfMHZxjak&feature=related

P.S: I will pretend I didnt see the offence in your post.

pretend all you want, i just stated the fact. This video has nothing special either, mass-stamp narutos, hand-leg animation instead of full-body animation, flashy backgrounds instead of fully drawn etc.

[eefrit]

I liked the episode, but those face-liftings were unnecessary

This. The animation was top-notch(opinion of a future animator), but face shifting does not fit the usually stoic Pain. This was way different than the Naruto/Sasuke fight in my opinion, I had liked the way that was drawn, but this, this was to much. Great action though, would do wonders in an amv (hint, hint). Could have also gone without the Tom and Jerry nail head and running start.

[DarkAp89]

I've got all ya beat

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4195/paink.png

:P

EDIT: Basically, yeah, again, if this was in Gurren Lagann, then it would probably be the build up to yet another intensely epic fight:p

EDIT 2: Although, now that I think about it, this scene feels like it was done for the guys who did episode 4 of Gurren Lagann. And that was a piece of crap >_>...

This is (for me) the only real bad scene. The action of this scene don't need to be "flashed". Then, it's wrong.

[LnDRash]

I've got ya beat I think...
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/Tierdaen/ecdf4d89.jpg

With a face like this I'am not wondering his pain is greater... this realy has to hurt like shit ;p

[Darui]

ok now im definitely scared to watch this episode wtf lol.

I only like the ending with the Yondaime.

[Shinsatsu]

pretend all you want, i just stated the fact. This video has nothing special either, mass-stamp narutos, hand-leg animation instead of full-body animation, flashy backgrounds instead of fully drawn etc.

The fact is, that you are either blind or ignorant.
I posted that video to talk about the fight events not the animation.
I said it's less disastrous because it doesnt have tom & jerry stuff (bashing the head with a rock several times ... the way he rammed his head with the mountain...).
Furthermore, I would like you to go back and see naruto vs sasuke on the rooftop or maybe kakashi vs hidan animation ...

The guy who drew this is fun ... I can give him that.

And if you get paid to make something like this:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4195/paink.png
I would've been a rich guy.

[Blade800]

I dont mind the animation or the art style... but seriously wtf???

Kyubi hammers Pain with a rock into the ground like some kind of nail? Is this a Tom and Jerry Cartoon or Naruto? -.-

As Shin Akuma said: This is a disaster...

Exactly. Hammering him into the ground like a nail. I see that I am not the only one who reminded this scene Tom and Jerry :D

lol

[Ryokahn]

Heh, I normally don't mind when they add some filler to the fights in the anime to flesh things out and make it last a bit longer. A good example is Kakashi/Shikamaru/Hidan/Kakuzu, I thought that was great.

This filler fight material, though, was just... so weird lol. And, well, bad. On the upside, if you skip to about the 6m30s mark and just start from there, the episode is really, really good.

[The_Drunk]

I guess you either loved it or didn't that's what the polls show. I personally liked it. They put a lot of detail in the animation and is better than no animation. I know it strayed off the manga at times but if this is the first time you've seen it and don't keep up with the manga I'm sure you'll give it a 10. I don't understand why someone would complain about the animation it's just like the Naruto vs Sasuke fight.


There is one part in this fight that I kind of said damn they *&^%$ it up and that's when the 9 tailed fox began hammering Pain into the ground. I mean if that doesn't kill him why would Rasengan?

[demons_halo]

I'll bet you guys anything that the sauske arc anime will look 381385168146 times better!

I mean how the hell can you screw up the main characters most epic battle ever like this? shouldn't kishi be outrageous right now?!

[slmcknett]

Well, I just skimmed through it again, and I'm starting to like it less each time. I kinda wish that they would remake it now >_>. And not just because of the weird faces, but because the entire fight was like complete filler bullcrap that didn't even happen in the manga. Also, where the f*** did all that water come from? There was no need for it. I feel like this was kinda a wrong way to guy for the company who makes this show...

Although, still, Chibaku Tensei and Minato were pretty damn beast.

[ForMotherRussia]

The fact is, that you are either blind or ignorant.
I posted that video to talk about the fight events not the animation.
I said it's less disastrous because it doesnt have tom & jerry stuff (bashing the head with a rock several times ... the way he rammed his head with the mountain...).
Furthermore, I would like you to go back and see naruto vs sasuke on the rooftop or maybe kakashi vs hidan animation ...

The guy who drew this is fun ... I can give him that.

And if you get paid to make something like this:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4195/paink.png
I would've been a rich guy.

you gotta understand that what has been displayed in these screenshots are shotsof single frames. And this is a frame animation, where they don't just move the pre-drawn templates of characters around the frame, but draw every single pace and movement. It's like taking a note out of a symphony and saying that is sounds wierd/strange/unpleasant, so it all sucks.

[BeanSalad]

Shin Akuma, and everyone else who is bashing on this ep, Im cool with you guys not liking the episode but what kinda pissed me off is the fact that you guys dont see how amazing the animation is in this episode. Now im saying the ANIMATION not the single pictures. Everything moves insanely smooth and their are so many frames of animation in this that its something you dont see in long running anime shows. Shit you dont even see it in short animes. You pretty much only see things like these in movies. Now Shin Akuma, your statement about a 3 year old being able to draw this is truly funny, you obviously dont have the slightest clue about animation, you dont know how hard some people have worked on this episode, it just makes me sad that their are so many people hating on something just cuz its different.

[gh0un]

Wow you guys really dont have a taste for art. Its different thats all.

He sure overdid it, but thats his style. Its the same style he used back in sasuke vs naruto and everyone liked it back then.

You can do the same thing with sasuke vs naruto and take single frames that look incredibly ugly.

This style however makes it feel much more epic and mature in my opinion.

[Gats]

lol "overdid it" is an understatement...

It's not if you are aware of his style from previous episode.

But anyway, I can't find any stronger word than it in my head for now, english is not my native langage.


Face expressions, style, motions, etc are all the same as Sasuke vs Naruto (VOTE). In this episode, the overall style is clearly the same, but 1000x exagerated for me and added much more fillers. So I don't find any word than "overdid it".

edit : Sakura is cute with her strawhat and all in the ending.

[Shinsatsu]

you gotta understand that what has been displayed in these screenshots are shotsof single frames. And this is a frame animation, where they don't just move the pre-drawn templates of characters around the frame, but draw every single pace and movement. It's like taking a note out of a symphony and saying that is sounds wierd/strange/unpleasant.

Yup that's true, but I did really see these frames clearly while I was watching the episode that's why I looked for them and took screencaps.
and if you're going to draw frame by frame, you shouldnt waste your efforts in frames like those displayed in the link.

Some people liked the animation, and some didnt ... But let's be honest.
Did you really like the spiderman stuff + tom & jerry? with some laser beams flavour?

Too bad my brain isnt a hard drive, I woul've shift+delete this episode from my mind, and keep the warm feeling from pain vs naruto mange chapters.

[UCHIHA JOHN]

Ok I just watched the episode.

Let me remind you that the guy who made this episode is the same who made Naruto vs Sasuke part 1. He was not praised for his regular art (actually it's not that he doesn't know to draw Naruto, it's just his style), but for the amazing motion in battle and the amazing details from things like faces motions etc.

Now, the problem is...this time he overdid it (he did the episode alone). I mean he took too many liberties with the manga. Filler fight is ok, but I think that's too much. He put too many personal art touch unlike the Naruto vs Sasuke part 1 (VOTE). For example the part when Kyuubi changed so much his chakra shape is theorically, fine, it could do it, but that's too much to the point that it would disturb people (and I'm right by seeing the posts here). Same with the character's face, motion very skilled, but too much, it turned to be kinda ugly but I understand the style.

I was laughing when I saw Pain being hammered by Kyuubi, wtf is that ?! Another part here he overdid it. ><

The motion's quality is very high, he is the type of animator who "sacrifices" the art quality for an amazing motion/movements, but I have to say that it was too much, once again. The music was good.

Now the difference between him and the animators from 163/164, is that he did this way because it's his style, while the others did because they couldn't do otherwise (beautiful art when there is no movement, but when characters are moving or fighting it's horrible, while the animator of 167 keeps the same style all the time).

I'm thinking about the evaluation.


edit : guys who picked up those pictures are a bit unfair. One picture is about a slow motion of Kyuubi hitting Pain, like Matrix. The second one is just about facial expression. The third one is fuckingly ugly but I know this is personal touch in fight, but I think it was too much this time.
And please, put a spoiler tag for the pictures, or give a link, thanks.

You are sooooo right man still i think it was a really good episode not on the same level of sasuke vs naruto when he could do it but he overdid it like you said but still a great episode
[hr]

yeah that's true.
I think the japanese community will hate this and they will fire that guy like they did to the refrees in this worldcup xD

Even though he is one of the most famous animators.

[LeDuck]

Okay, I watched the episode twice, now let me explain why this the best Naruto episode up until now.

Motion / Animation:
Many of you guys see it the wrong way, this animation was beyond movie quality. Yeah of course you don't have the pretty pictures, the great shading or other stuff that is completely unnecessary in a fight. Some problems I had with the first fights, was that some scenes were done with little to no frames, it felt uninteresting and I didn't know how this could be called animation. The guy, who did this episode has a very unique style, I admit that, but I can't even imagine how much work it was, everything is so fuckin good animated and fluid. He overdid himself a little bit on the faces, but more on that later.

Re - Watch Value:
Something that is very, very important to me is the rewatch value. If I don't want to see an episode again, I know that they fucked it up pretty hard. The last episode bored the living hell out of me and I already watched this episode twice in a row. It was totally strange, I know that, Pain getting hammered down, or walking like Road Runner, but I couldn't stop laughing. I don't think I've laughed that much, because of a Naruto episode and I'll give them credit for that. You can say what you want, but this here will become one of the most famous Naruto episodes.

Music:
Best music choice they could have made, the atmosphere was fantastic,
especially the second part. I give them some extra credit, because the Shippuuden OST isn't that great most of the time.

At this point I really don't care how much they fucked up the story, if they sacrifice it for this kind of entertainment, I don't have any problems with it ;)

9/10

[metrite]

Really didn't like the new animation style, sure it is smooth and detailed.
But it doesn't fit naruto, it reminds me way too much of cartoon network stuff.
Another thing which greatly ticks me off is the fact that pain just blocks the kyuubi's chakra cloak, seriously Orochimaru got ripped in half multiple times by touching that same chakra.

[arnold ronald]

pain's move looks like aang style from avatar ...
but i like it.... :darn
this episode's animation is very unique for me..... :eyeroll
10/10 :p

[ForMotherRussia]

Yup that's true, but I did really see these frames clearly while I was watching the episode that's why I looked for them and took screencaps.
and if you're going to draw frame by frame, you shouldnt waste your efforts in frames like those displayed in the link.

Some people liked the animation, and some didnt ... But let's be honest.
Did you really like the spiderman stuff + tom & jerry? with some laser beams flavour?

Too bad my brain isnt a hard drive, I woul've shift+delete this episode from my mind, and keep the warm feeling from pain vs naruto mange chapters.

i won't try to change your opinion about this episode anymore, because to me it seems that you have absolutely no idea how this type of animation is made and you obviously don't want to know. Try to watch boxing in slow-motion, maybe you'll finally understand what i mean.

Speaking of the fill of the episode and the "tom&jerry" fight, as you said, i can say it about any other cartoon including violence and fight of two opposing characters and i'll be right.
And of course, you definetely know better how this should be done and how to fit two chapters so smoothly into 16 minutes, send your resume to them and join their creative group, if no - just sit back and try to relax, this is entertainment afterall.

[Shinsatsu]

From the discussion, I really believe now that everyone is unique in this world.
My friend just mailed me saying that this is the last naruto episode he's watching.
RESPECT to you all :)

[ForMotherRussia]

you got no taste in art ... i would recommend you to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtLy_msPY_c

this is art ... that animation was freaking kid drawing


just so that you understand, they do the same thing, as in your video, but for every single frame throughout 20 minutes of animation.

[demons_halo]

Please explain following:

1- Where did mokton come from? O.o
2- Every pain body can use 1 justu, where the hell did the water come from?
3- Is pain running like roadrunner a part of his awesome jutsu array? cause if it is, I'd love to see kakashi copy it and run that exact same way -_-
4- Should you get poisoned by touching the kyuubis skin (check oro vs 4 tails fight)
5- Is the 4 tails allowed to have bones wrapped around his body? only 6 tails naruto had thos (and so did hachibi V2)
6- The art.
7- The animation.
8- The environment. (were they even fighting in konoha?)

[Murdock]

man i would sue this guy if i were kishi .. this is totally embarrassing .. it's mockery of his story and work as an artist

[Blitzace]

Watching the last 6-7 minutes of this episode I had a change of heart. This episode has finally redeemed itself. It definitely gave a me a feeling of a planetary disaster on the doorstep when naruto went 8-tail. I didn't expect something of such epic proportions.

[Shinsatsu]

just so that you understand, they do the same thing, as in your video, but for every single frame throughout 20 minutes of animation.

Dude, I study animations and 3D effects. And alot of people who watch anime and read manga have some experience with graphic design and animation or at least 'montage' like sony-vegas.
So please stop talking about animations as if we're some ignorant fools.

If you want to make a good episode, make good frames.
If you want people who read the manga to like your episode, do not add some alien stuff to the fight.
I dont blame the animator for the fillers cuz he obviously isn't responsible... lol He was spending his precious time on drawing those frames :)

[Gats]

Please explain following:

1- Where did mokton come from? O.o
2- Every pain body can use 1 justu, where the hell did the water come from?
3- Is pain running like roadrunner a part of his awesome jutsu array? cause if it is, I'd love to see kakashi copy it and run that exact same way -_-
4- Should you get poisoned by touching the kyuubis skin (check oro vs 4 tails fight)
5- Is the 4 tails allowed to have bones wrapped around his body? only 6 tails naruto had thos (and so did hachibi V2)
6- The art.
7- The animation.
8- The environment. (were they even fighting in konoha?)

1- It's just the roots underground.
2- There is water deep down inside the grown, Pain just used his jutsu to drag it to the surface. Besides we already saw Pain manipulating water (in his city).
4- He is a deadbody. But that's true that Kyuubi should destroy his body asap. Another liberty from the animator.
5 - No bones at 4 tails in the anime.
6+7+8 - Personal style, filler liberties.

Unlike the previous episode like 163/164, I totally understand people who are hating this episode even if myself I don't feel that way. (I'm not in love too)

[slmcknett]

Please explain following:

1- Where did mokton come from? O.o
2- Every pain body can use 1 justu, where the hell did the water come from?
3- Is pain running like roadrunner a part of his awesome jutsu array? cause if it is, I'd love to see kakashi copy it and run that exact same way -_-
4- Should you get poisoned by touching the kyuubis skin (check oro vs 4 tails fight)
5- Is the 4 tails allowed to have bones wrapped around his body? only 6 tails naruto had thos (and so did hachibi V2)
6- The art.
7- The animation.
8- The environment. (were they even fighting in konoha?)

1 - KyubiNaruto just ripped the roots out of the earth using his arms.
2 - Probably used Shinra Tensei through the ground to blast some water out of the pipes that used to run underneath the village. Maybe. I dunno:notrust.
3 - lol
4 - I guess the animator didn't know that. Or Pain used Shinra Tensei on his skin.:darn
5 - That was the 6-Tails.;)
6 - Meh.
7 - Great. But since the art was meh, the animation suffered.
8 - Except underwater.:tem

[Destined_One]

Please explain following:

1- Where did mokton come from? O.o
2- Every pain body can use 1 justu, where the hell did the water come from?
3- Is pain running like roadrunner a part of his awesome jutsu array? cause if it is, I'd love to see kakashi copy it and run that exact same way -_-
4- Should you get poisoned by touching the kyuubis skin (check oro vs 4 tails fight)
5- Is the 4 tails allowed to have bones wrapped around his body? only 6 tails naruto had thos (and so did hachibi V2)
6- The art.
7- The animation.
8- The environment. (were they even fighting in konoha?)

Lol, it wasn't mokuton, the Kyuubi tunneled his chakra underground, and pulled the earth & roots out of the ground. I actually thought that part was awesome. As for the water, when tendou hits the ground, it would seem he opens a crack to an underground water source which leaks out.

I thought the chapter was awesome personally. I think the beginning was a bit overdone, however from the moment Naruto went six tails, its was incredible. The fluidity and the sheer epic nature, made it a spectacle. I was worried a few chapters back, if they would do Chibaku Tensei justice. Boy did they ever get it right. I actually thought Chibaku Tensei was more impressive in the anime. The final moments where Minato stopped Naruto was also done well. OST in this episode, was top notch.

[Tamata]

people making noise about pains face during the middle of the fight should remember he's fighting the kyuubi.

It was done like that to display the amount of distress and intensity of the battle. As I mentioned before, awesome animation just suck art that does fit Naruto.

Additionally pain didnot use any water jutsu...just his push and pull to drag water and earth.

[ForMotherRussia]

Please explain following:

1- Where did mokton come from? O.o
2- Every pain body can use 1 justu, where the hell did the water come from?
3- Is pain running like roadrunner a part of his awesome jutsu array? cause if it is, I'd love to see kakashi copy it and run that exact same way -_-
4- Should you get poisoned by touching the kyuubis skin (check oro vs 4 tails fight)
5- Is the 4 tails allowed to have bones wrapped around his body? only 6 tails naruto had thos (and so did hachibi V2)
6- The art.
7- The animation.
8- The environment. (were they even fighting in konoha?)

I'm glad you asked, fella.
To answer these questions, one must have at least initial knowledge they try to give you in school

1) There was no mokuton. This was a leaf village before pain nuked the hell out of it, lots of trees, right in the middle of forest. As you know, the trees have roots, and roots go deep inside the ground so that the tree can extract the water out of soil and so on, which brings us to question number two
2) There is water in the ground. There are lots of sources of water, and if we try to remember that some time ago it was a middle of the forest, it gives us an explanation on where water came from. Pain just applied pressure/or pulled with his gravity jutsu - so the water came out.
3) Pain is a dead body, controlled by metallic chakra-reciever implants. It's pretty much obvious he wouldn't run as a normal human.
4) Again, pain is a dead body which doesn't feel pain at all, and obviously it is beyond limits of normal human body. When Summoning-pain dropped from 300 meters and continued to walk normally, i'm pretty sure you didn't ask yourself "don't people die when they fall from these heights?".
and so on.

[Blade800]

WHAT THE HELL ?

This is a bad joke ?

I felt like I was watching something different than Naruto. OH MY GOD. I mean like. REALLY ?

Okay anyone here have a feeling that theyre watching olympics? I mean, rollerblading on water, ground, blade throwing, jumping from the cliff. Hell Pain should be in the latest olympics definetelly.

Okay lets summarize:
This is how definetelly must look pains punched face :blink
http://i50.tinypic.com/2q8vjhj.jpg
another one
http://i50.tinypic.com/2mzw482.jpg

WTF? Are you kidding me? He would survive smashes with a giant rock to the head, by the way, Tom & Jerry nail smah style??
http://i48.tinypic.com/rcu99h.jpg

Okay I think this was pretty odd when he just lurk with his head and ask do you hate me? I dont know how about you but I laughed at this one:
http://i49.tinypic.com/nce1ki.jpg

LOOK! A DOLPHIN !
http://i46.tinypic.com/116m35l.jpg

oh and how can we forget epic faces:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4195/paink.png

Should I continue? Okay..

Now he can skate on water too..
http://i48.tinypic.com/5nkv42.jpg

And ground too..
http://i47.tinypic.com/ezhojk.jpg

Seriously, this reminds me STAR WARS
http://i46.tinypic.com/2ngtwcw.jpg

No comment
http://i46.tinypic.com/23vz2f6.jpg

I dont remember seeing a nuclear war in manga..
http://i46.tinypic.com/2zyfxud.jpg

Look, Sakura got younger ! Probably from radiation :notrust
http://i47.tinypic.com/24qihcg.jpg

SERIOUSLY, WTF ??

The only part I liked was the ending with Minato and the sad music.

[demons_halo]

1- It's just the roots underground.
2- There is water deep down inside the grown, Pain just used his jutsu to drag it to the surface. Besides we already saw Pain manipulating water (in his city).
4- He is a deadbody. But that's true that Kyuubi should destroy his body asap. Another liberty from the animator.
5 - No bones at 4 tails in the anime.
6+7+8 - Personal style, filler liberties.

1- what roots? there were no trees there? :S
2- are you kidding me? drag the water from underground? what is this? "create your own jutsu to satisfy the animators need no jutsu"? He obviously added the water to give the same effect as VoTE fight, which is a cheap move on his part (even cheaper than the animation quality)
4- even oros dead skin melted when he touched naruto.
5- sorry I miscalculated the tails.
6:8- Dude, the fight was supposed to be in konoha O.o you cant just change the place the exact way you want it to :/

[Shinsatsu]

Please explain following:

1- Where did mokton come from? O.o
2- Every pain body can use 1 justu, where the hell did the water come from?
3- Is pain running like roadrunner a part of his awesome jutsu array? cause if it is, I'd love to see kakashi copy it and run that exact same way -_-
4- Should you get poisoned by touching the kyuubis skin (check oro vs 4 tails fight)
5- Is the 4 tails allowed to have bones wrapped around his body? only 6 tails naruto had thos (and so did hachibi V2)
6- The art.
7- The animation.
8- The environment. (were they even fighting in konoha?)
1- the animator likes wood? that was the same style as shodai vs sandaime wood :) maybe he felt nostalgic. (and btw, big roots like these should have trees).
2- hmm Konoha has alot of water underground? (makes you wonder why they keep water containers on the roofs????).
3- he's afraid of coyote.
4- They didnt like that so they changed it.
5- he didnt.
6- they didnt pay him.
7- they didnt pay him.
8- space-time no jutsu? lol

[Murdock]

just so that you understand, they do the same thing, as in your video, but for every single frame throughout 20 minutes of animation.


people making noise about pains face during the middle of the fight should remember he's fighting the kyuubi.

It was done like that to display the amount of distress and intensity of the battle. As I mentioned before, awesome animation just suck art that does fit Naruto.

problem is that pain's character isn'T like that that's the whole POINT of discussion ... PAIN is fucking calm killing machine ... yes he is really scared and with intense feelings: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/438/15/ ... giveme a breaqk you don't understand Naruto as a story .. .even in anime you could understand Pain as a character to know he waqs animated terribly .... TERRIBLY

[Evalis]

Wow, first time I watched this, thought it was horible, after a few repeat watchings, this is actually amazing, 10/10

The animation is so fluid its incredible unlike anything I've seen

[Alterno]

First 15 mins.
Who killed the old animators and hired souleater's animator?, they only got right the lighting and backgrounds, the rest was awful, pales in comparison to the previous episode.

Animation 1/10
Backgrounds 8/10


The rest 5 minutes...

Music awesome, backgrounds awesome, animation got a little better, the Kyuubi looks just right going out from Chibaku tensei, Hokage appearance way better than done in the manga.

Animation & Backgrounds 8/10
Sound 10/10



Ohh and Sakura was given an ending, I would have stick with jitensha till the end of the manga and I would have used this ending of the land of snow arc, the song is awesome, but I don't really get the point of walking around the beach and seeing fireworks.

[Kozar927]

Again I have said this a million times on here. Their is a major difference in styles used among previous episodes and people are confusing it with bad animation. It is a well known fact that more time and money went into this episode then any other episode of this arc so far. iT WAS IN PRODUCTION BEFORE THE OTHER EPISODES THAT CAME before. This guy is very famous and hard to afford so they got him to do this ep back when parriots lame teams were still working on the filler

This guy is famous for a reason and none of you seem to be art critics to me.

[Evalis]

problem is that pain's character isn'T like that that's the whole POINT of discussion ... PAIN is fucking calm killing machine ... yes he is really scared and with intense feelings: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/438/15/ ... giveme a breaqk you don't understand Naruto as a story .. .even in anime you could understand Pain as a character to know he waqs animated terribly .... TERRIBLY

Its true, but he was facing against the 9-Tails, he was getting passionate because his goal for peace was almost at hand, wouldn't you?

[Shinsatsu]

oh yeah, i don't understand naruto, lulz. And it's THIS EPISODE, that ruined naruto, not the 2 years of fillers since may 2005, not shitty animation with mouth-movement only, its THIS.

yeah you're right. But we were expecting better results, knowing that this is one of the most epic fights in the whole manga.
They could've gained more fans if they created a good episode.

[Murdock]

oh yeah, i don't understand naruto, lulz. And it's THIS EPISODE, that ruined naruto, not the 2 years of fillers since may 2005, not shitty animation with mouth-movement only, its THIS.

clearly you don't .. but tose were fillers this is regular story with fillers ok but still story ... it's characters plays certain role in this manga ... for example lasat episode with hinata IMO terrible again but at least it was withing boundries of hers charater in love, somewhat pathetic but it was manga charater ... Pain was completely misinterpreted here ... whole fight was nut job

[slmcknett]

1- what roots? there were no trees there? :S
2- are you kidding me? drag the water from underground? what is this? "create your own jutsu to satisfy the animators need no jutsu"? He obviously added the water to give the same effect as VoTE fight, which is a cheap move on his part (even cheaper than the animation quality)
4- even oros dead skin melted when he touched naruto.
5- sorry I miscalculated the tails.
6:8- Dude, the fight was supposed to be in konoha O.o you cant just change the place the exact way you want it to :/

1 - There were before Pain nuked the village away. :notrust
2 - It's called Bansho Tenin. He can pull anything he wants towards him. Underground water included. And the similarity to the VoTE is obvious. He just clearly likes to animate water.
4 - No comment. They obviously fucked up. But maybe Pain just wasn't in contact with Naruto long enough for the burning to kick in. Dunno, though.
8 - Well, tough. Thats exactly what he did. It got better though by the end, seeing as how all the water receded.

[Murdock]

Its true, but he was facing against the 9-Tails, he was getting passionate because his goal for peace was almost at hand, wouldn't you?

again look at that picture ... he WAS calm because that's the waay he is ... he fight calmly just like kakashi ... so facing ninetails or not his persona should have been kept .. that'S WHY PAIN is so popular becuase of the way he is ... his badassness but here it was joke

you have to take episode as a whole unit not just saying that motions were fluid ... but art level was terrible, manga story fucked up, characters misinterpreted, jutsu's horrible animated chibaku tensei for example, or those fucking shields WTF? deva doesn't possess this ability ...

i started watching anime from cratch and then went to manga because i wanted to know the rest of the story but anime is raping the story not only by it's misinterpreting like these but it's disrespectful to kishimoto because level of art in this episode was horrible

[Shinsatsu]

I think I have expressed my opinion here, good luck to you all.
Animation -1/10
Filler adds 1/10
Music 8/10
Ending 10/10

If we drag this longer it will become a flame thread. Obviously some people like insulting others :) good hobby.

[demons_halo]

1- the animator likes wood? that was the same style as shodai vs sandaime wood :) maybe he felt nostalgic. (and btw, big roots like these should have trees).
2- hmm Konoha has alot of water underground? (makes you wonder why they keep water containers on the roofs????).
3- he's afraid of coyote.
4- They didnt like that so they changed it.
5- he didnt.
6- they didnt pay him.
7- they didnt pay him.
8- space-time no jutsu? lol

1- no they dont. roots exists without trees if the animator wants them to.
2- didn't you know? the VoTE changed location to downtown konoha.
3- I see, now I know =D
4- ah why didn't I think of that?
5- my bad!
6&7 - They did good!
8- I see, so madara was there too?

[UCHIHA JOHN]

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9592/zerorawsnarutoshippuude.jpg Pain looks extremely deformed here
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[dr.mohd.arbash]

i won't try to change your opinion about this episode anymore, because to me it seems that you have absolutely no idea how this type of animation is made and you obviously don't want to know. Try to watch boxing in slow-motion, maybe you'll finally understand what i mean.

Speaking of the fill of the episode and the "tom&jerry" fight, as you said, i can say it about any other cartoon including violence and fight of two opposing characters and i'll be right.
And of course, you definetely know better how this should be done and how to fit two chapters so smoothly into 16 minutes, send your resume to them and join their creative group, if no - just sit back and try to relax, this is entertainment afterall.


yep thats how things get when the battle is fierce ... it reminded me of goku biting majin buu ... any trick to win and crush the opponent... it is the no style fight.

my pure opinion : those days we get aloooooooooooooooooot of high quality DRAWINGS animes which lot of people love to watch....

however most of them get low quality ANIMATION ... low quality EPICNESS... they avoid many scenes coz they dont wanna show flaws... thats why i bleieve the anime those days are sleep medicine...

as someone said before: this can be a glimpse of future...
since the animes are infested with BOREDOM illness..

[slmcknett]

again look at that picture ... he WAS calm because that's the waay he is ... he fight calmly just like kakashi ... so facing ninetails or not his persona should have been kept .. that'S WHY PAIN is so popular becuase of the way he is ... his badassness but here it was joke

He only broke his calm twice, though. When he punched the ground and screamed. And when he used Chibaku Tensei, and that's only because more screaming = more power in animne.:notrust

But honestly, yeah, I get what you're saying and Pain did seem like kind of a pansy in this episode.

[Tengou]

Lol this shit is bananas. There are plenty good episodes to find in Naruto, but not many are actually awesome like this one. Despite all the complaints left and right, this is most definitely an awesome episode. While opinions on this episode may differ, everybody should be fortunate it didn't turn out like the start of the fight did 4-5 eps ago, where the anime followed the manga so closely you could actually see the transition between the frames in the manga. Remember the ignominious treatment of Naruto blitzing Asura? Now, aren't you glad it got better? If you want the series to not stray from Kishi's style, then why not read the manga?

My only complaint about this episode is the various degrees of invulnerability the characters seem to have gotten. It is for that reason too that I was reminded to Naruto and Sasuke's VOTE fight. Whenever this guy's in charge, the bad guys are launched like rockets into the air from every attack. I forgot to count how often Pain smashed his head on a rockface (or vice versa for that matter), and the hammering him into the ground like a sticking-out nail at the start did push my dispension of disbelief a little too far. I suppose it was done for comedic effect, but considering all it takes to do him in later is a rasengan to the gut there's a significant amount of credibility lost here.

9/10

[LeDuck]

I'm sorry, but why do people have the unbelievable annoying habit of giving 1 / 10? Yeah you didn't like the episode, great deal, but this episode gave more justice to the pain fight compared to the crap we got delivered before. Shippuden had so many episodes that deserved low points, if you compare them, you'll notice the quality difference. I completely despised the 4 Tails vs Oro, it "looked great", but it had a horrible pace and they didn't add anything to make the fight more interesting.

[Kozar927]

Im gathering all my thoughts on Naruto shippuden Episode 167 so far into one post
so I can link it in my sig


OK I .... um ... i really dont know what to say. I have very strongly mixed feelings about this episode. In a way I feel like I just witnessed one of the best episodes ever made of a diffrent show lol. I wanna start by saying this guys style has changed alot since 133.. I dnt think the sceans that are making everone mad are poorly drawn their just not a style that fits naruto. IDK i guess I must feel dissapointed, but im not ure how to pick out were the disappointment ends and my appreciation of amazing animation that must of took alot of time and money begins. I think imma watch it again then edit this post but for now I will say this

animation 10/10
Does the animation fit naruto? No

Rewatched a few select sceans and I think I feel a little betetr about the episode. I will say this it gets alot of point for simply wowing me with animation, not wow in a suzuki episode sort of way., but like wow in I just witnessed anime history being made sort of way just like leduck said



Im starting to find this episode genius... lol
Maby its not right for naruto who knoes but like I said before in general terms this is anime history it will be a fight shown to represent anime as a whole in future things I believe.



I say I would still take an ep like this any day over the crap when had in this arc up untill last ep. I mean camon Id rather have exciting controversial animation then boaring nothing is happening why am I even watching this, animation. Also direction, I mean camon they explained narutos smoke bomb trick... -___- I almost fell asleep. At least for this im on the edge of my seat and it has value for that reason alone.

Im an anime fan first and a naruto fan second. Naruto didnt get me into the genre it was just another of the many things within it I enjoy

everyones basing aside weither you like the style or not do not confuse this with the budget that went into this episode... it was enormous. They pulled out every stop. Just not good style for naruto is all

I have said this a million times on here. Their is a major difference in styles used among previous episodes and people are confusing it with bad animation. It is a well known fact that more time and money went into this episode then any other episode of this arc so far. iT WAS IN PRODUCTION BEFORE THE OTHER EPISODES THAT CAME before. This guy is very famous and hard to afford so they got him to do this ep back when parriots lame teams were still working on the filler

This guy is famous for a reason and none of you seem to be art critics to me.

[Revvo]

Okay....
If this wasn't naruto, I would laugh and think it's cool, but for this series this was absolutly unfitting.
The hole brutality of the fight and the sinister darkness of the 9tails transformation was no where to be found (not even in the Whac-A-Mole pain scene ....).
But what saddens me the most is the fact that the detailed thought through fight which was painted in the manga was completly missunderstood. In Kishis fights the best thing is that you understand each and every move, no matter how complex, to do this with so little room to fill is genious. But all the good moves were lost in this episode: the way how the 9tails skeleton enabled naruto to move in different directions .... how Naruto pushed shinra tensei back by ramming the tails in the ground... the way pain used basho tenin to hammer a stone in narutos face to distract his chacra beam in the last second ( in this episode pain just drops a boulder on him and the explosion just goes off right there ..wtf??)... i didnt get most of what happened in the anime.

the animations were cool, the drawings unfittingly stupid, the great model of the manga complety ignored.... 3/10

[KonMan]

I liked the episode.

The Tom and Jerry bit was just hilarious.

[slmcknett]

Okay, here's what I think:

Art - 3/10
Animation - 9/10
Pacing - 9/10
Music - 8/10
Filler - 4/10

So, overall, I'd give it a 7/10.

[allendsup23]

hmm....what to say. Mixed feelings.

Animation was good, fluid but why did they have to change the whole fight. It was so epic in Manga but they ruined it in Anime. Atleast they should have not brought water into fight.

It looked like I was watching some other anime. and I dont like it.

They should stay true to Manga and add some filler if they want but completely changing the fight.

Can we imagine a Sasuke vs Naruto (vote) fight in some other dry land than water?

I dont know what to say.

[Murdock]

Lol this shit is bananas. There are plenty good episodes to find in Naruto, but not many are actually awesome like this one. Despite all the complaints left and right, this is most definitely an awesome episode. While opinions on this episode may differ, everybody should be fortunate it didn't turn out like the start of the fight did 4-5 eps ago, where the anime followed the manga so closely you could actually see the transition between the frames in the manga. Remember the ignominious treatment of Naruto blitzing Asura? Now, aren't you glad it got better? If you want the series to not stray from Kishi's style, then why not read the manga?

My only complaint about this episode is the various degrees of invulnerability the characters seem to have gotten. It is for that reason too that I was reminded to Naruto and Sasuke's VOTE fight. Whenever this guy's in charge, the bad guys are launched like rockets into the air from every attack. I forgot to count how often Pain smashed his head on a rockface (or vice versa for that matter), and the hammering him into the ground like a sticking-out nail at the start did push my dispension of disbelief a little too far. I suppose it was done for comedic effect, but considering all it takes to do him in later is a rasengan to the gut there's a significant amount of credibility lost here.

9/10

little spoiler my friend but never mind ... but now that you mentioned that's exactly it ... pain was boxing rocks left and right, blocking beams left and right .. i watch anime for reason to see fights but not this one it was joking bad drawned, fluid yes, but art level was horrible, fighting style horrible, kyuubi canon really? i started watching anime and loved it even the fillers but this episode was really horrible

[Darth Executor]

I just started playing the video and... what the fuck am I watching? Pain making disney faces, the kyuubi beating deva into the ground like a nail... is this Naruto or a Warner Bros cartoon? I'm gonna finish watching this for the lulz factor but these bastards ruined the anime for me.

4:08 into the movie: did the kyuubi just sprout temporary rabbit ears?
4:28 into the movie: what the fuck was that face pain made? Pain has no facial expressions. Why does he look like he's shitting a brick with a vengeance?
4:52 into the movie: Pain is now the Road Runner. Spinning legs and everything. what the fuck?
5:21 into the movie: the kyuubi is now shooting lasers like an imperial star destroyer. awesome.
6:08 into the movie: Pain no longer seems to have any time limitations between shinra tenseis. He also controls plants (or something) and he's about to go all Leonidas on the kyuubi.
6:17 into the movie: Did I say Leonidas? I should've said Ulquiorra because now he chucks a spear and the kyuubi goes boom.
7:52 into the movie: Kyuubi face palms Deva. I know how you feel, buddy.
8:15 into the movie: deva has now joined the circus as a human cannonball. Who's shot halfway across a giant village and has his head stuck in a mountain like Wilie E Coyote

[nunaitachi]

Seriously...for those who are saying this is "EPIC", "AWSOME" and whatever else...I think I must have watched something different from Naruto.

The last couple of episodes disappointed in quality, but still were good storywise and following the manga.

But this one...the quality sucks. For the one´s who claim this is the best episode so far, seriously go watch kiddy cartoons. This is supposed to be ANIME.

Just a fez examples of the many WTFs I shouted while watching:

- All of the characters are badly drawn (just compare Sakura and Naruto from previous ones or even like the other guy said, frame by frame Pain´s expressions).
- Pain running made me laugh (for the guy who said he looked like roadrunner, cheers!!!)
- Naruto´s transformation was horrible, but not worse than when he transforms with the skull and bones. In the manga that could carry the EPIC title. Also he looked a lot bigger than in the ANIME.
- The fight itself was a bunch of nonsense. You could barely make out what was happening other than the arms of the 9 tails.
- The 4th grabing Naruto´s arm could have been made EPIC with better timing.

I will admit a couple of good points (very few):

- Planetary Devastation move (the forming of the ball)
- Naruto walking with red eyes to take of the seal
- The 4th 1st showing up

Well, like my friend says, taste is like an a**hole, everyone has his own...but if you are like me, an avid follower of the manga, then this episode just got a gigantic, enourmous 1 from me!!!

Don´t see how it could get any worse from here.
Looking forward to the completion of this arc.

Peace.

[UCHIHA JOHN]

I hope the 169 episode will have awesome animation too so we good actually see some naruto action cause after this fight we will not see him in a while.

[allendsup23]

I hope the 169 episode will have awesome animation too so we good actually see some naruto action cause after this fight we will not see him in a while.

From the preview it seems 168 is covering 440, 441 and 442. Almost most of the fight.

[scandalous']

One word to describe the episode. EPICNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

The Animation is 11/10

The art = 9/10 It was really good and weird at some points. Some of pains facial expression were funny. But it's really unique and very artistic.

The (filler) fighting. 8/10. - Chibaku tensei was AWESOME. Naruto and pain's attacking power = awesome. Pain's face after kyuubi resists shinra tensei, PRICELESS!

Yamato panicking like a little bitch = priceless


Yondaime appearance = scandalous bows down.

[Kozar927]

The more I watch it the more the part with the cartoon animation has significance to me... this guy really is a genius for putting that in even tho its the most bashed scean. He intentionally drew it totally out their and I respect it, it had alot of power for me.

[Murdock]

Okay....
If this wasn't naruto, I would laugh and think it's cool, but for this series this was absolutly unfitting.
The hole brutality of the fight and the sinister darkness of the 9tails transformation was no where to be found (not even in the Whac-A-Mole pain scene ....).
But what saddens me the most is the fact that the detailed thought through fight which was painted in the manga was completly missunderstood. In Kishis fights the best thing is that you understand each and every move, no matter how complex, to do this with so little room to fill is genious. But all the good moves were lost in this episode: the way how the 9tails skeleton enabled naruto to move in different directions .... how Naruto pushed shinra tensei back by ramming the tails in the ground... the way pain used basho tenin to hammer a stone in narutos face to distract his chacra beam in the last second ( in this episode pain just drops a boulder on him and the explosion just goes off right there ..wtf??)... i didnt get most of what happened in the anime.

the animations were cool, the drawings unfittingly stupid, the great model of the manga complety ignored.... 3/10

great post i take the liberty of providing the pictures:

breaking the seal - EPIC : http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/438/03/ and here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/438/04/

withstanding shinra tensei (not shown in anime) - EPIC: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/438/05/ and here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/438/06/ http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/438/07/ you can see no water here :)

he way pain used basho tenin to hammer a stone in narutos face to distract his chacra beam - EPIC: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/438/07/ http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/438/08-09/

Pain arising - BADASSLY EPIC: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/438/14/

Chibaku tensei and moon - EPIC: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/439/06-07/

for those who liked this:

see what i mean? great art, epic moments were left out ... really low quality work in this anime episode
[hr]

One word to describe the episode. EPICNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

The Animation is 11/10

The art = 9/10 It was really good and weird at some points. Some of pains facial expression were funny. But it's really unique and very artistic.

The (filler) fighting. 8/10. - Chibaku tensei was AWESOME. Naruto and pain's attacking power = awesome. Pain's face after kyuubi resists shinra tensei, PRICELESS!

Yamato panicking like a little bitch = priceless


Yondaime appearance = scandalous bows down.

you are actually saying that ART was good? watch the post above with manga pics

i don't want to get ban but you're _______________ fill whatever you want

art was NOT good you got no art sense NONE

[TwEeD]

I don't care how famous this guy is or how difficult to get he is ... you don't take such big liberties (and show a complete disdain to how the story developped up until now) when you accept such a job. This is Naruto canon, and a very important part, you don't go changing it with illogical filler

Is it good in terms of animation and such ? yes

Is it good in terms of Naruto's story & continuity ... HELL NO... the Kyuubi and certainly Pain where portayed WAY differently than they are in the manga (and the rest of the anime), they are not in character at all

It's like an episode of Superman where he's wearing a pink tutu and saves the day by farting the enemy away (ok exagerated but that's how I feel about it)

The episode he done before, the Sasuke/Naruto fight @ VotE was done 10000000x better

[Razh]

The fuck did I just watch?

I can't even begin do describe all that was wrong and retarded in this episode. Maybe later, or tomorrow, or never.

My personal favorite part is Pain doing the Road Runner impression. Pain:
http://scitechspec.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/roadrunner-running.gif

And seriously, what's with all the cubes?

Half of Konoha is under water, but they need Byakugan user to see it. Seems to me that retards made the remake of Naruto vs. Sasuke, only that one was 100 times better. Also, had more sense, and didn't make me laugh.

EDIT: Thanks for all the laughs guys. Pencil in ass lmao

[vintagemistakes]

Whether you liked this ep or not, please refrain from Flaming/Bashing the series, characters, and or other members. Further disregard for our forum rules may result in this thread being permanently closed and infraction/bans handed out. Thanks.

Edit: Thread will be temporarily closed until it can be cleaned.

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Thread re-opened. Play nice everyone.

[slmcknett]

Well, after watching the episode for a 3rd time, I can earnestly say that it isn't as bad as most people are making it out to be. It's growing on me now.

It's still not great, but it is very creative, and demonstrative of how every artist is different in his own regard. Some people may not like his style, but it is unique and people should respect it for that fact alone.

Although, it is true that his style doesn't quite fit in with something like Naruto. Maybe One Piece, but I don't really know much about that, other than the way the characters are drawn.

But whatever, I'm just taking it for what it is. The episode is maybe looking at an 8/10 for me now.

Also, I feel like most people would like this episode more if it was an OVA rather than an actual canon episode. It's take on Naruto canon is a bit too extreme for a lot of people to accept. Although, this is just my opinion.

[Asclepius]

The art was very different, but i enjoyed it. I do prefer it to follow the manga style, but i laughed in this episode (i know it shouldn't be fun).
Is Anko's voice different? Gonna have to dig in my old Naruto episodes to check.


An episode that has
this
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4483/1277990458056.gif
and
this
http://i45.tinypic.com/10yn9fa.jpg
can only be pure gold!:lmao
Beep Beep
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_M06vcT23pys/SaNp5330rqI/AAAAAAAAAMg/HtVtEAq6b5I/s400/papa-leguas.gif

[Onoki]

I don't understand some of you. You can't be please like I said last week. I mean, if you didnt prefer the art direction thats cool, but all the flaming? C'mon. Stop watching if you dont like it.

My opinion, this was the best episode of the series. I love the Suzuki episodes (i.e. 83,85, 166), but this was on par with it. It was exciting. The art wasnt perfect but it was unique and fluid - I think it was stellar. The filler fighting was awesome. The 9T transformation was not epic to me in the manga as opposed to the Sage mode part but the anime turned it around. The Sage mode eps were not as good be these last 2 episodes. They have picked up the slack big time. I see where the budget went.

So I was saying, this episode was a unique masterpiece. Some things looked off but I think the direction was on point, the art was nice and the music selection was phenomenal. The filler fighting was great, even the wack-a-pein part lol.

11 out of 10 from me.

[hajialibaig]

I was looking forward to seeing this episode..but damn, was I in for a surprise..Awful, awful animation and out of character pain made this episode unbearable to watch. Two minutes in and I had already deleted it ...lol
0/10

[slmcknett]

I was looking forward to seeing this episode..but damn, was I in for a surprise..Awful, awful animation and out of character pain made this episode unbearable to watch. Two minutes in and I had already deleted it ...lol

1 - Awful art. Not animation.;)
2 - You missed the ending. Which was the best part. So, shame on you.:darn

[LeDuck]

I was looking forward to seeing this episode..but damn, was I in for a surprise..Awful, awful animation and out of character pain made this episode unbearable to watch. Two minutes in and I had already deleted it ...lol
0/10

Huge mistake, even the people, who didn't like the episode have to admit that the second part was done amazing.

[Kozar927]

Im glad none of this spilled into the whats coming up next thread most people who post their are animation buffs as we track up coming animators their and majority of posters their loved the episode my self included :P

[DanielKnoT]

The only thing that saved this episode was the Chibaku Tensei and Minato that looks so cool...

What can I say about the rest?? ........

[slmcknett]

epic fail wtf just happened to teh animation it downgraded shit looks like it was from the 70 like ashita no joe lol

Again...:notrust Art, not animation...

The animation was beautiful. The art was just different, and not to some people's likings.

[Animenical]

Wow, this episde seems to have started quite a controversy, which is something art should do. And this episode was art. Definitely.
I did not particularly like the Hinata ep. I thought the background filler was lame and too much emphasis was laid on this dull background character, but most of all it was the art I didn’t like. While the animation was great, the faces and figures looked too sloppy drawn for me, even though the animation was great.
This episode took it to a much greater extreme, and after the first minute, I felt myself forced to let go of all notions of how the faces and figures should look and just take in the INCREDIBLE tense atmosphere while enjoying a battle between CREATURE and GOD. It truly was a fitting battle for a god. Getting thrown hundreds of meters through the air, slammed into the ground by overwhelming force, almost drowned by huge, crushing waves before repelling them etc. etc. etc. THAT’s what you call an epic battle. Watching something like this makes thinking about “how the manga did it” useless, since this was the incredible interpretation of the battle by an artist.
I can understand that people are appalled by some of Pain’s faces etc. etc. I usually look at this stuff too, but THIS episode was just too great to be ruined by something like that. And also, I think fighting the most powerful monster in the ninja world while being exhausted, near death and while drawing out one’s last powers would make everyone a little sweaty and screamy, don’t you agree?^^
Did seriously none of those who rated the episode very low feel this intensity, the thrill of battle? I really don’t get it, but each his opinion.

10/10 one of the best Shippuuden, no, Naruto episodes ever. Good job, animators. It was worth the waiting.

PS: I don’t think I’d laugh if someone kept slamming a plate of rock on my head in very short intervals, it was another expression of a Beast’s unrestricted violence.

[Kozar927]

epic fail wtf just happened to teh animation it downgraded shit looks like it was from the 70 like ashita no joe lol

When will people realize that because it wasnt your style does not equal bad.. this episode cost the studio alot of money and used a very famous animator. The episode was in production for a long time before the rest of the pain arc was made Its fine to say you dont like the style but respect the amount of work that went into making this episode plz

[DanielKnoT]

Does anyone knows if this is the Same Director who made the chapters of Orochimaru vs Sarutobi and Naruto vs Sasuke 1st Season?

Because the animations and art are very similar to those episodes..

[Kozar927]

Does anyone knows if this is the Same Director who made the chapters of Orochimaru vs Sarutobi and Naruto vs Sasuke 1st Season?

Because the animations and art are very similar to those episodes..

Oro and sasuke no

sasuke and naruto yes

[slmcknett]

Does anyone knows if this is the Same Director who made the chapters of Orochimaru vs Sarutobi and Naruto vs Sasuke 1st Season?

Because the animations and art are very similar to those episodes..

Yup, it is. At least, I know its the guy who made Naruto vs. Sasuke. If he also made the Oro fight, too, then yup.:p

EDIT: Ninja'd.

[CBlitz]

I agree, this was easily one of the best Naruto episodes I've seen, hell probably one of the best animated pieces I've seen. Its right up there with all the heavy hitters in terms of animation. I can understand why people wouldn't like the style, but the animation was jaw-droppingly gorgeous. Sure it this episode failed as an adaption of the equivalent manga chapters, but it was also much better imo

not to mention all of Naruto's best animators worked on this episode :hurr

[David Gill]

1st part of episode was....unviewable, was hard to recognize what was happening. I think they had too much freedom animating the Kyuubi. But this whole arc seems disjointed now, too much variance in the animation which makes Naruto in Sage mode look awfully weak.

[Kozar927]

I agree, this was easily one of the best Naruto episodes I've seen, hell probably one of the best animated pieces I've seen. Its right up there with all the heavy hitters in terms of animation. I can understand why people wouldn't like the style, but the animation was jaw-droppingly gorgeous. Sure it this episode failed as an adaption of the equivalent manga chapters, but it was also much better imo

not to mention all of Naruto's best animators worked on this episode :hurr

You took all the words out of my mouth. The manga would have been lucky to play out like this

[eviesaur]

Pain's facial expressions were trippy. Some of them I really like because they made me giggle. Imo, I thought the episode was sweet. The music was great (it sounded like a movie), the animation was amazing, the art was okay, but I still liked it.

Some parts of the first half of the episode were retarded which originally influenced me to give this episode a 7/10, but the second half of the episode boosted that. After Naruto got trapped in the Chibaku tensei, everything got so much more gorgeous. Especially the part with Naruto in Kyuubi's....lair(I can't think of a better word :P) and Minato's appearance. 9/10

The preview for the next episode looks like crappy compared to this episode. It looks like we're going back to the animation before 166.

[DarkAp89]

I thought i was watching some fanmade episode on youtube oO

i think i will stop watching the anime >.>

If this is fan made...

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5804/18ae.png
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1074/21a.png
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2382/25ak.png
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1197/26ar.png
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2333/35a.png
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2125/36a.png
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2302/40a.png

You're critics or what?

[DanielKnoT]

Yeah, the part where appears Minato in the sunset is beatiful...

Also, the part of Naruto with red eyes just about to take out the seal!!

[NatsuGray]

i'm just gonna pretend that episode never happened...my favourite arc of the manga has been ruined...i like the manga and the anime because the anime try to get it close to the manga's style, but this...? i'll be honest, i thought i was watching a fan-made version of it at first, then frequently found myself thinking 'wtf' throughout most part of the episode, the animator has got pains character all wrong. he does not start shouting randomly and when he certainly didn't hide when he created chibaku tensei, worst episode i've seen. damn. oh the part with Naruto and Minato was good, and thank f*** the style is back to normal next week

[Razh]

Also, I feel like most people would like this episode more if it was an OVA rather than an actual canon episode. It's take on Naruto canon is a bit too extreme for a lot of people to accept. Although, this is just my opinion.

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. The whole animation take on the manga events is just a little too extreme.

As I said before, the animation really rocked. The direction and some drawings were awful. How many times can you break a rock to form solid looking cubes? Plenty of times, apparently.

Some parts just looked like a fucking parody. Pain getting nailed into the ground. I guess nobody taught him that dig jutsu.
Then Pain running like a goddamn Roadrunner, then getting stuck in a wall with his head. Then using the wheels hidden in his sandals to skate. Air Gear ftw!

The Pain bodies aren't really resilient as we've seen. It doesn't take that much to render them useless. But in this episode, boy was he a tank. Probably had over 9000 HP. He just gets hit in the head by a humongous rock 3 times and he's like - "do you hate me?". No bitch, I fucking love ya.

He gets punched several times, blocks Kyuubi attacks as if it's nothing, shoots Shinra Tensei like crazy, repels laser beams with his palms while lying on a rock. Flies between trees like a goddamn flying squirrel.

There's a reason why this particular battle wasn't that long in manga. Pain can't take all the damage. Nobody can.

Another thing that bothered me is Sakura and other characters taking it easy on the sides. While a large part of Konoha was turned into a lake with giant roots, flying rocks and laser beams, their reactions should have been changed accordingly. But I guess, that would have been too much trouble. There's no way they could have made Shikamaru, for example, say - "the fuck is going on out there!?"

All I want is some fucking consistency. I mean, we get an awesome episode, than a freak show episode, then a couple of lousy ones, than a good one with some dragged out parts, then a freak show episode again.
I know some of you consider this episode awesome. I'm glad for you, really am. Just don't get bothered by my view of this episode, that's all. It's got nothing to do with you.

So yeah, the only good parts were the animation (too bad the drawing style was awful in the battle), music, and the last part of the episode. I was just happy when Pain decided to capture Naruto. It meant that that circus finally ended. Nothing wrong about Naruto's inner world and Minato's appearance either.

[Kozar927]

i'm just gonna pretend that episode never happened...my favourite arc of the manga has been ruined...i like the manga and the anime because the anime try to get it close to the manga's style, but this...? i'll be honest, i thought i was watching a fan-made version of it at first, then frequently found myself thinking 'wtf' throughout most part of the episode, the animator has got pains character all wrong. he does not start shouting randomly and when he certainly didn't hide when he created chibaku tensei, worst episode i've seen. damn

If your arc wasnt ruined by them turing narutos epic appearance and sage mode fight into a joke but its ruined by an episode that pushes the boundaries of animation idk what to say
[hr]

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. The whole animation take on the manga events is just a little too extreme.

As I said before, the animation really rocked. The direction and some drawings were awful. How many times can you break a rock to form solid looking cubes? Plenty of times, apparently.

Some parts just looked like a fucking parody. Pain getting nailed into the ground. I guess nobody thought him that dig jutsu.
Then Pain running like a goddamn Roadrunner, then getting stuck in a wall with his head. Then using the wheels hidden in his sandals to skate. Air Gear ftw!

The Pain bodies aren't really resilient as we've seen. It doesn't take that much to render them useless. But in this episode, boy was he a tank. Probably had over 9000 HP. He just gets hit in the head by a humongous rock 3 times and he's like - "do you hate me?". No bitch, I fucking love ya.

He gets punched several times, blocks Kyuubi attacks as if it's nothing, shoots Shinra Tensei like crazy, repels laser beams with his palms while lying on a rock. Flies between trees like a goddamn flying squirrel.

There's a reason why this particular battle wasn't that long in manga. Pain can't take all the damage. Nobody can.

Another thing that bothered me is Sakura and other characters taking it easy on the sides. While a large part of Konoha was turned into a lake with giant roots, flying rocks and laser beams, their reactions should have been change accordingly. But I guess, that would have been too much trouble. There's no way they could have made Shikamaru, for example say - "the fuck is going on out there!?"

All I want is some fucking consistency. I mean, we get an awesome episode, than a freak show episode, then a couple of lousy ones, than a good one with some dragged out parts, then a freak show episode again.
I know some of you consider this episode awesome. I'm glad for you, really am. Just don't get bothered by my view of this episode, that's all. It's got nothing to do with you.

So yeah, the only good parts were the animation (too bad the drawing style was awful in the battle), music, and the last part of the episode. I was just lucky when Pain decided to capture Naruto. It meant that that circus finally ended. Nothing wrong about Naruto's inner world and Minato's appearance either.

I loled preety hard at this :P

[Alterno]

If this is fan made...

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5804/18ae.png
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1074/21a.png
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2382/25ak.png
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1197/26ar.png
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2333/35a.png
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2125/36a.png
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2302/40a.png

You're critics or what?

Why you don't take screen caps from the first 15 mins, those were the last 7 or 5 minutes, you know what he is talking about.


Huge mistake, even the people, who didn't like the episode have to admit that the second part was done amazing.

The last five minutes before the ending were truly gold, that's true.. sadly we have to cast votes for the whole episode, and while music was right and animation better in the last five mins, even better than Manga (in my humble opinion), the true is that overall the animation was really bad in this episode.

Honestly the 15 mins I felt like watching a very cheap version of Avatar the last airbender, well to be honest I felt like watching the first anime episode of soul eater, but even that first episode makes justice to that manga, that bad was this episode.

For God Sake Pierrot, from now and forward Suzuki should be the director of this anime, always!!!, honestly I don't know how an episode could be some damm wrong the last first 15 mins and then som damm right the last five...


:(

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/Tierdaen/ecdf4d89.jpg

[Razh]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the fucking water. What's the deal there? You can't make an epic fight in Naruto without the damn water. Naruto vs. Sasuke at the end of part 1 wasn't awesome because of the damn water. It had a nice pacing, awesome choreography and plenty of cool moments. Yeah, it was on steroids, compared to manga version, but within acceptable limits. Talking about fiction here after all.

This anime version of the manga battle is on fucking steroids + LSD. It could have also been cool without all that water splashing around. It seemed like a really cheap way of making us remember Naruto vs. Sasuke. Which was like 10 times better.
Sometimes, less is more. That's a golden rule.

Or maybe they put water in there for a valid reason. I can imagine at least 3-4 episodes depicting Konoha people trying to deal with the flood in their village.
Well, beats another filler arc, that's for sure. Might even learn something about flood control.

[Dekker]

The last five minutes were realy awesome for sure. Rest of the episode was utter bs...

I mean how can you say the drawings were good? They were aweful as hell. If i watch the anime "Naruto Shippuuden" then I want it to follow the art of the Manga Naruto as closely as possible. But wtf was that? Yes, the animations were fluid. But tbh, fluid animations my ass if the drawings look that awefull.

Id like to quote Darui for that:



The best panel of this episode was!!

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4195/paink.png

I mean WTF was that about? I almost fell of the chair I sat on. I mean come on, even I could've drawn it that ugly.

Ok, so lets make a fair rating on a scale of 0 to 10.

First 15 minutes:
Art: -100
Animation: 10

Last 5 Minutes:
Art: 10
Animation: 10

[CBlitz]

haters gonna hate, this episode was fucking brilliant :p

I've watched it 3 times now, and it gets better after each viewing



As I said before, the animation really rocked. The direction and some drawings were awful. How many times can you break a rock to form solid looking cubes? Plenty of times, apparently

Sup Yutaka Nakamura (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAREHhV-F8w)

anyway, c'mon everyone, be reasonable. There were only what, 3-4 frames that actually looked very bad? Not to mention that all those frames are from the scene of Pain hitting the ground, are you all really complaining that one high speed animated scene = terrible art? The art was fantastic most of the time, these complaints about the visuals are really exaggerated. If the wackiness of the episode killed it for you, that's perfectly acceptable. Bad animation and art? Not in the slightest

oh and all the water was there because of Norio Matsumoto >.>

[Arrogance]

Found the episode to he absolutely horrible. I felt like I was watching Looney Toons. All the facial expressions were annoying and actually nasty at times. The faces Nagato and Pain made were just WAY over the top and ridiculous to the point that I didn't feel like I was watching Naruto anymore. The movements of the characters were odd as well. Then we have the road runner moments and then Pain getting hit over the head with a rock like a hammer. :facepalm. The only part I liked was the last 3 minutes cause then the music was epic and then we saw Minato. After seeing this weeks episode I am actually happy that we are going back to the original animators for this arc that we all complained about at first because in the end it looks way better than this. Thats it, my standards have officially been lowered, lol.

The Verdict: If Naruto was a comedy then this episode would be a 10. The gags in this one would have made Bugs Bunny proud. But as a Naruto fan I was not proud and frankly was shaking my head in disgust at many scenes. My score for this is a 2 because I actually mildly enjoyed the end of the episode.

[Brill]

This episode was a mixed bag. The animation went from gross to superb and was fairly erratic. I liked the idea of Naruto going form 4-6-8 but I thought the animation for the 4 tails was just terrible. He looked more like a blob than a beast with super-deformed hands-they should be claws at least. The fights as this stage were fairly bizzare. I don't think I've ever seen so many rock formations break up into perfect squares before. The destruction of rock formations went over the top for the 4-tails battle. The 6-tails battle was better. I even liked the Kyuubi laser beams, and Pain screaming to do his jutsues. In certain scenes you saw really nice animation and then the next scene was like, what the hell?

While comedy in certain fights is desirable, this was a serious fight and the Pain-whack-a-mole segment was totally out of place. I don't care who you are, anyone who gets a 10 metric ton rock dropeed om their head repeatedly is going to have no head left. Pein or no Pein. It seems like the director was told to go "all out" for this episode, and he even went over the top in certain parts, but he forgot his surroundings and that really hampers this episode. Giant roots coming out of the ground? This is the land hidden in the leaf, not the land hidden in the giant sequioa. A few roots here and there would be finee, but they went overboard. Same thing with the water, it looks like it came from the side and a river/lake was redirected. I didn't see any events to warrant this. Yeah it looks cool to have a water battle, but they forgot Hinata and the rest of the villagers who ane stil down there. Whoops. The saddest part was the roller-blade no jutsu. Pein's legs are fixed to the floor but he just glides on by as a demon is hot on his heels. Pretty sad.

After this things got better. I liked the Chibaku Tensei. It was done really well and the scenes with Naruto before he rips ofr the seals were good. Then we come to Minato. I thought this could have been done better. He's supposed to be in the belly of a demon suffering for all eternity, but we see him lounging at a beachside resort enjoying a sunset. Someone forgot to check their notes.

Finally, the ending credits. Yes, it's Sakura walking on the beach AGAIN!. First time, she's in a swimsuit hawking Naruto merchandise, now she's got summer clothes. Why not just put her in a bunny outfit and be done with it. ;)

The music selection for this episode was excellent.

So in summary this show is a mixed bag. A place with some excellent animated spots, marred by the enthusiasm of the director who went over the top and forgot his surroundings. 6/10

[Kozar927]

I've finished watching the episode......... the first 15 or 16 minutes of it is absolute crap. the ending was great.

I would do anything if one person on this forum would say they didnt like the style but respect it was very high budget and done by an amazing animator and that their are people out they who appreciate its genius

Because noone says you have to like it or have the same oppenion but this wasnt like the kakashi fight which was done by minimum wage goons, this guy put his time heart and soul into this episode and his passion shows strongly in his work... epically in the first 15 min, he was really able to express himself creativly and if thats not art thenn what is

[Razh]

I would do anything if one person on this forum would say they didnt like the style but respect it was very high budget and done by an amazing animator and that their are people out they who appreciate its genius

Because noone says you have to like it or have the same oppenion but this wasnt like the kakashi fight which was done by minimum wage goons, this guy put his time heart and soul into this episode and his passion shows strongly in his work... epically in the first 15 min, he was really able to express himself creativly and if thats not art thenn what is

Well, that's the problem. He got to draw in his own style an anime that looks really different like 99% of the time. I don't know what the point was. Sasuke vs. Itachi looked really great, and there were no weird monkey faces there. Neither Sasuke nor Itachi were given new powers and abilities. The anime seems to have lost a proper direction now. Hence the inconsistency and all the deviations in episode qualities. It seems like they don't have a proper planning. Finances and deadlines probably have something to do with it, yes, but the problem seems to be bigger.

And about expressing himself. He could have expressed a little less, really, and it would still have been awesome. It feels like he was animating a different anime but with Naruto skins, at least for the first part of the battle. That shit was just too chaotic and messy.

[Dekker]

While comedy in certain fights is desirable, this was a serious fight and the Pain-whack-a-mole segment was totally out of place. I don't care who you are, anyone who gets a 10 metric ton rock dropeed om their head repeatedly is going to have no head left. Pein or no Pein. It seems like the director was told to go "all out" for this episode, and he even went over the top in certain parts, but he forgot his surroundings and that really hampers this episode. Giant roots coming out of the ground? This is the land hidden in the leaf, not the land hidden in the giant sequioa. A few roots here and there would be finee, but they went overboard. Same thing with the water, it looks like it came from the side and a river/lake was redirected. I didn't see any events to warrant this. Yeah it looks cool to have a water battle, but they forgot Hinata and the rest of the villagers who ane stil down there. Whoops. The saddest part was the roller-blade no jutsu. Pein's legs are fixed to the floor but he just glides on by as a demon is hot on his heels. Pretty sad.

This part need to be emphasized a lot more. Every other Pain was destroyed by only have of those attacks. This was just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the top. This guy is not a freakn T-1000 like Akainu from one piece...

[Kozar927]

Well, that's the problem. He got to draw in his own style an anime that looks really different like 99% of the time. I don't know what the point was. Sasuke vs. Itachi looked really great, and there were no weird monkey faces there. Neither Sasuke nor Itachi were given new powers and abilities. The anime seems to have lost a proper direction now. Hence the inconsistency and all the deviations in episode qualities. It seems like they don't have a proper planning. Finances and deadlines probably have something to do with it, yes, but the problem seems to be bigger.

Oh I was never arguing direction and filler. Yah I admitted that was unfitting for naruto.. I even said this type of animation didnt fit this particular show.. Im arguing with the people who say the art and or animation was bad, because it was genius. I wont argue with you that filler was out of place or that this type of animation was inconsistent with other fights. Im just saying as a hard core anime fan first and a naruto fan 2nd this art and animation was genius

[slmcknett]

I would do anything if one person on this forum would say they didnt like the style but respect it was very high budget and done by an amazing animator and that their are people out they who appreciate its genius

That's kinda what I said back on pg. 9. ;)

Not exactly, but I did express the fact that this kind of animation is extremely unique to him, and you should just take it for what it is. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it isn't good.

Your opinion =/= What it really is

[DarkAp89]

Why you don't take screen caps from the first 15 mins, those were the last 7 or 5 minutes, you know what he is talking about.


if you want...

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7117/70316664.png
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1654/14857487.png
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5926/42366842.png
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6618/96989250.png
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7218/11ay.png
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5894/12ag.png

Is this bad art? No.
You're all complaining so much only for 5 second of cartoonish art.

(i don't say the development of the fight like all the wather, pain's head in a rock wall, etc..., only art)

[Dekker]

Oh I was never arguing direction and filler. Yah I admitted that was unfitting for naruto.. I even said this type of animation didnt fit this particular show.. Im arguing with the people who say the art and or animation was bad, because it was genius. I wont argue with you that filler was out of place or that this type of animation was inconsistent with other fights. Im just saying as a hard core anime fan first and a naruto fan 2nd this art and animation was genius

See, the point is, this is not "draw your own animeshow". It was supposed to be Naruto, not planet of the apes. Thats why people say the art was bad. What they mean is that the art does not remotly match the Naruto artstyle.

E: Yeah see Darkape, on the second picture was a big mistake. Pain's jutsu does not work like this. He does not use a shield. He uses a push to deflect. The sixth pic would've ment death for Pain.

[brizzlle]

whats really wierd is that the deva pain took way too many blows and hits that shoudlve taken him out in an instant. The other pains were k.o'd by rasnegans and a "nature energy punch"?? Yet a super toned-rock smashed on top of a head and a DIRECT PUNCH from the 6 tailed kyuubi were like being hit by styrofoam. Whatttt thhhe heck

[Kawaiii]

Most epic episode ever. Except for the shinra tensei abuse crap and the roadrunner.

Overall really nice animation really nice filler combat and awesome ending- would have been even better if they hadnt shown the 4th before naruto tries to rip the seal off.

Dont know why people complain to be honest.

I really like this animation.

[Kozar927]

See, the point is, this is not "draw your own animeshow". It was supposed to be Naruto, not planet of the apes. Thats why people say the art was bad. What they mean is that the art does not remotly match the Naruto artstyle.

Theirs a huge diffrence btwn thoes 2 statements and I dont belive most people think that way I think their just saying its bad. but anyways imho this is better for naruto then what we had for pain v kakashi or any previous pain v naruto

[Natoma]

having watched many different anime art styles, I have to say that I recognized several different art styles in this episode (ex: The Animatrix).

I thought the art and the animation were superb, but several bits had me unintentionally laughing such as Pain getting hit over the head with a giant boulder and then asking, with his whole body still buried in the ground save for his head, "Do you hate me?"

That got a chuckle.

But honestly, overall while I thought some parts were a little weird, the episode as a whole was a great battle. Taken on its own, it was a great episode with phenomenal art and animation direction.

The point where he started Chibaku Tensei to the very end was simply godly in every conceivable manner. Animation, Art, Music selection, Pain and Nagato's screams, the glowing green chakra shroud holding the sphere together, Yamato's panic, Yondaime Hokage, Naruto's possession by the Kyuubi, you name it.

Just a great episode imo.

[Paradoxicon]

Oh my god. OhmygodOhmygodOhmygodOhmygodOhmygod OMG OMG OMG


OH MY FUCKING GOD


Who put drugs in my Naruto?:o

I loved it. I absolutely loved it. Not in the way I liked the Kakashi vs Kakuzu episode for example, but this... there are no words.

Hell, props for you guy to find the right words already. Even the people whose opinion I don't agree with posted hilarious flames and those screenshots.

Some people really need to get the stick out of their asses. Get more flexible and all. 4 seconds into this episode I hit the pause button, made a face like :blink, took a deep breath and thought "This episode is different, but I'll get into this episode, no matter what".
And I did. Sure, I noticed the weird faces and irregular filler stuff, the cartoon moves and impossible stunts. But guess what, I never laughed more hysterically during a Naruto episode, my jaw never dropped deeper, and my adrenaline never rushed more. By the time Yondaime showed up to give this episode the final serious touch I had probably stopped blinking for 10 minutes straight.

Somebody else here put it perfectly already. You might not like the drawing, or judge this episode to be good or bad or whatever, but there are few AWESOME Naruto episodes, and this one beat them all. It's like they robbed all previous episodes of this arc of their epicness, put it in a jar, mixed some alien spices into it and then served it shaken, not stirred.

This episode was art. And yeah, dips on Yondaime as signature. Going straight to work on it now.

And to sum this up: People who don't like this episode because of its animation don't know what they are talking about anyway. You know who you are.

While the DRAWING was ridiculous at some points, the animation was at 99999999999/10 anyway, so I give this episode a :tenten

[SuperSaiyaMan]

This episode was awesome. Reminded me of Naruto vs Sasuke. Some of the faces were wierd, but they weren't that bad. Though I though Six-Tailed Naruto would have darker red chakra from Four-Tailed.

The filler scenes were awesome, and Pain was holding his own.

10/10.

[bigman]

Ok so I only saw half of the episode because my connection went out on me but so far this is what i think. The animation is fluid and amazing. It reminds me of something like FLCL and should be praised. HOWEVER! As an episode of Naruto it was horrendous. From the pieces of video from the stream I saw before my connection went out i witnessed.

1. The entire landscape changed to one with boulders and tree roots everywhere and a lake(not sure where the freaking lake came from). My problem with this is this really didn't happen in the manga and how the hell is anyone supposed to believe Hinata's body is not in 18 pieces or buried a mile underground after all that insanity.

2. I saw Pain cut flying boulders with his bare hands. Its as if he had Wind Element or something like wtf?

3. While Pain was running across the water did his legs disappear because he was running to fast? wtf?!

4. Did Pain grind on the qb charka while dodging like he was a skateboarder? Isn't the qb's charka corrosive and not even Oro could touch it?

5. I saw Pain get hammered into the ground like a nail into wood which resembles Looney Tunes and is somehow not damaged in anyway.

6. I saw Pain glide across the ground while escaping from qb as though he was Kakuzu and had Earth Element.

7. Then I saw Pain fly through the trees while escaping qb. The difference with his flight when he destroyed Konoha and this is when he destoryed the village he propelled himself up with enough force to get to that altitude which is within his powers from what we know. Him flying like a plane weaving through trees is not.

8. I saw Pain reflect that weird machine gun fire the qb was doing. What happened to the 5 second interval and the fact that his power is essentially a one shot per 5 second repulsion or attraction. Thus a rapid fire attack would actually hit Pain.

This is just within the 11 min I saw until the stream decided it wasn't going to load anymore. So in conclusion to the parts that I saw I would give this a 5 because its a 10 in the Anime Universe and a 0 in the Naruto Universe. It really bothers me when animators do whatever they want and decide to forget all the principles in which a story is based off of. Everything from what their powers were to who has what type of element seemed to be ignored just so they could make an episode they invisioned... not kishi.

[bigman]

Ok so I only saw half of the episode because my connection went out on me but so far this is what i think. The animation is fluid and amazing. It reminds me of something like FLCL and should be praised. HOWEVER! As an episode of Naruto it was horrendous. From the pieces of video from the stream I saw before my connection went out i witnessed.

1. The entire landscape changed to one with boulders and tree roots everywhere and a lake(not sure where the freaking lake came from). My problem with this is this really didn't happen in the manga and how the hell is anyone supposed to believe Hinata's body is not in 18 pieces or buried a mile underground after all that insanity.

2. I saw Pain cut flying boulders with his bare hands. Its as if he had Wind Element or something like wtf?

3. While Pain was running across the water did his legs disappear because he was running to fast? wtf?!

4. Did Pain grind on the qb charka while dodging like he was a skateboarder? Isn't the qb's charka corrosive and not even Oro could touch it?

5. I saw Pain get hammered into the ground like a nail into wood which resembles Looney Tunes and is somehow not damaged in anyway.

6. I saw Pain glide across the ground while escaping from qb as though he was Kakuzu and had Earth Element.

7. Then I saw Pain fly through the trees while escaping qb. The difference with his flight when he destroyed Konoha and this is when he destoryed the village he propelled himself up with enough force to get to that altitude which is within his powers from what we know. Him flying like a plane weaving through trees is not.

8. I saw Pain reflect that weird machine gun fire the qb was doing. What happened to the 5 second interval and the fact that his power is essentially a one shot per 5 second repulsion or attraction. Thus a rapid fire attack would actually hit Pain.

This is just within the 11 min I saw until the stream decided it wasn't going to load anymore. So in conclusion to the parts that I saw I would give this a 5 because its a 10 in the Anime Universe and a 0 in the Naruto Universe. It really bothers me when animators do whatever they want and decide to forget all the principles in which a story is based off of. Everything from what their powers were to who has what type of element seemed to be ignored just so they could make an episode they envisioned... not kishi.

[Natoma]

and i'll say it one more time. Chibaku Tensei exceeded my wildest dreams. I mean, dear f*ckin lord was that hot...

Crumbling mountains, giant boulders splitting in half, the kyuubi cannon destroying the big rock sphere.

good god, what a finish.

[NatsuGray]

If your arc wasnt ruined by them turing narutos epic appearance and sage mode fight into a joke but its ruined by an episode that pushes the boundaries of animation idk what to say


umm...even Naruto's entrance was better than this, i was gettin confused most of the time about where they were. Water, random roots popping out the ground, then pain and naruto were in a forest then naruto turned into aquaman and started blending into the water and chasing pain, wtf? lmao...all i can say is FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, CC2! DONT PUT THIS IN STORM 2!!

[SuperSaiyaMan]

I saw the animation more of Guren Lagann, especially in Pain's...expressions at some points. Not FLCL, but Gurren Lagann. And that's a good thing. Just wish Six-Tailed Naruto had darker red chakra.

[Animenical]

on the risk of getting banned

Seriously who the fk cares about art? or even animation when neither are true to the content!

this is naruto, this is not the animated version of "gotham dark knight" where 6 different animators draw batman shorts in 6 different styles. this is one continious series and the guy who did this should be fired this wasnt his family video where he took liberties and put shit in. The art style isnt history making, this has been done in other anime before, and this was a baaaad episode, if u disagree then u have no maturity in thought , changing styles that takes away from the essence of the anime is no commendable job , u dont use FMA animation for one piece and u dont use guran legan or abenobashi animation for naruto this was a big blunder and mistake on part of the studio, this wasnt what a naruto episode is supposed to be if u think this is good then u should really just read fan fics and watch man made movies.

If you argue like this, no single filler should ever be allowed in anime. What about Hidan/Kakuzu, they extended the fight considerably there as well although I'll admit that they stayed within the borders of credibility there^^
I guess it all depends on your approach to anime. I myself watch the anime because I want to see stuff like this and not just strictly manga-faithful sequences. It's the music, the voices, the animation that make these shows so great, that add artful components to the manga original. But this discussion is old and I don't believe we'll come to a solution here^^

[Razh]

I saw the animation more of Guren Lagann, especially in Pain's...expressions at some points. Not FLCL, but Gurren Lagann. And that's a good thing. Just wish Six-Tailed Naruto had darker red chakra.

See, I didn't have problem with that when I watched Gurran Lagann. It had the same style vast majority of time. Naruto has quite a different style, and that's why this battle doesn't sit well with me.

[Kozar927]

The beatuy of this is it dosnt take the manga away you still have acces to read it, so let the anime be different an vibrant, let it be colorful and out their and musical, will all enjoy the beauty and you haters can go live in the world of your black and white pages (which I also enjoy BTW) But I see the anime as an opportunity for a whole new experience, I just dnt want a fake reliving of my manga experience

[gold349]

See, the point is, this is not "draw your own animeshow". It was supposed to be Naruto, not planet of the apes. Thats why people say the art was bad. What they mean is that the art does not remotly match the Naruto artstyle.

E: Yeah see Darkape, on the second picture was a big mistake. Pain's jutsu does not work like this. He does not use a shield. He uses a push to deflect. The sixth pic would've ment death for Pain.

a 6tail kyubi punch in the face should have been enough for starters...hammered in to the ground by a giant block of stone should have done it too, other realms just with sage punch took them off line/defeated...Deva is just another realm of nagatos rinnagan powers, consistency in that regard was my biggest reason for dislike of this ep...had the whole Pain battle started/created this way (style) then not much to say but in the middle/latter part of this epic battle it seems all for lols/a joke thing IMO.

[DARK]

Having watched the episode again, it's pretty clear that the animation is more fluid than average episodes although I admit that I do not like the style as much.

[Razh]

The beatuy of this is it dosnt take the manga away you still have acces to read it, so let the anime be different an vibrant, let it be colorful and out their and musical, will all enjoy the beauty and you haters can go live in the world of your black and white pages (which I also enjoy BTW) But I see the anime as an opportunity for a whole new experience, I just dnt want a fake reliving of my manga experience

If you change too many things in anime, you're going to have a plot hole later on. But yeah, since Pain won't be around any more, the jokers just allowed themselves to go crazy with his abilities. It did make it all look weird though. There's no way Naruto could have taken down 5 bodies if the head Pain was this strong. Heck, he would have pwned the village, Naruto and all the frogs all by himself.

Also, nobody could have beaten him in rollerskating.

[Animenical]

a 6tail kyubi punch in the face should have been enough for starters...hammered in to the ground by a giant block of stone should have done it too, other realms just with sage punch took them off line/defeated...Deva is just another realm of nagatos rinnagan powers, consistency in that regard was my biggest reason for dislike of this ep...had the whole Pain battle started/created this way (style) then not much to say but in the middle/latter part of this epic battle it seems all for lols/a joke thing IMO.

Well, if you really want to explain it, you could interprete it that way that Nagato focusing all of his chakra into one realm strengthens not just the offensive force but the defense as well. At least that's how I like to think about it :)

[Kawaiii]

Actually last week's episode faired much better with people than this one is.

last weeks episode had "almost" no battle at all. it was just hinata getting efft in the a. there was no need go all out they just had to animate her so that it doesnt look like an average crap episode. but yea i agree i liked the style as better. but this style is just perfect for a fight at the speed of sound.

Even though its no usual naruto style.

[Ryoku]

Art - 10/10 (Read the review if you are confused about my rating on the art)
Animation - 10/10
Pacing - 10/10
Music - 10/10
Filler - 8.5/10

Final - 9.7/10

Okay, let me begin the review. The episode is EPIC. Regardless of what people may think, the episode is EPIC. One of the best (if not the best) fights in the manga brought out into the anime.

A lot of you are complaining about the filler. Let me tell you something: Without the filler, the entire fight would have lasted about 10 minutes. The filler itself isn't bad. It's a very good addition to the fight and adds to the feeling of intensity you should get from a fight such as this. There are some parts that could have been done without, for example, the hammering of Pain, the obvious Road-Runner reference, skating, etc. But even those moments aren't enough to do away with the entire episode.
When watching the episode, I feel an intense feeling, an epic feeling, a feeling that, to me, looks like a giant inferno being set ablaze and watching it happen right in front of me. This filler does exactly that.

Let's move on to the art. A lot of you posted frames showcasing the art in this episode. Yeah, I agree, those frames are HORRIBLE. BUT, you guys are looking away from what the episode really is. What is it?
The episode is NOT meant to be seen frame-by-frame as the "normal" episodes usually are (they are, more or less, drawings/templates that are just moved). The frames in the "normal" episodes are the entire art drawn. That's why you see no loss of quality in those episodes' frames--because the frames are just panels.
In this episode however, the frames are frames. They are not panels where the characters are just moved from one place to another.

Take this for example: When you sneeze, and record the moment, you notice EXACTLY what you see in this episode--deformities in the face and whatever else. You don't notice a single face that's being moved in different places with minimum movements. You see deformities happening.
If you are able to mimic these deformities onto the screen, then you deserve a big round of applause. THAT, MY FRIENDS, IS FLUID MOTION.

Each frame in fluid motion is NOT meant to be looked at as a single frame. They are to be looked at as a whole, because fluid motion does not exist with one frame, but a collection of frames. You can't look at one frame and call it bad art because it's only a frame. It's not a solid, still panel that you see in the "normal" episodes. It's a frame that's part of the whole. Not a whole panel that a lot of you are used to.

The animation is top-notch. No explanation needed here.

As for the pacing, it is VERY beautifully done. The transition from an intense fight to an all of a sudden calm and extremely serious moment, such as the beginning works of Chibaku Tensei and inside Naruto's mind, was perfectly done. I don't see how you go from an exciting feeling to a serious state-of-mind so easily. It's done beautifully and Minato's entrance is, and will always be, one of the most EPIC moments in the entirety of the anime. Transitions were done flawlessly, and the music added to that--no explanation needed on the music. Just listen to it.

You guys should be thankful for getting this kind of material. This is movie material, guys, that you are getting in an episode. Don't look at each frame separately. It doesn't work that way in fluid motion. It just doesn't. And don't even dare to try and argue against that.

[Saifi]

If you argue like this, no single filler should ever be allowed in anime. What about Hidan/Kakuzu, they extended the fight considerably there as well although I'll admit that they stayed within the borders of credibility there^^
I guess it all depends on your approach to anime. I myself watch the anime because I want to see stuff like this and not just strictly manga-faithful sequences. It's the music, the voices, the animation that make these shows so great, that add artful components to the manga original. But this discussion is old and I don't believe we'll come to a solution here^^

but thats just the thing this wasnt believable, this was clearly outside the rules established by the anime, the way this ep was naruto could have been any demon, and pain any random guy with godly powers, this ep had parts which had absolutely nothing to do with naruto anime or manga.

this kind of animation and material is fine where that is the norm , but just to throw in a curve ball for sensationalism or just to stand out is plain stupid. then people become all snooty saying " hmm... you lowly people dont have taste..." no we have taste but we dont want to see cave drawing or Mona lisa or Egyptian Hieroglyphs drawn on the sistine chappel, its all art but would be treated as an abridged or comic version of the real thing. This ep was as hilarious as the naruto abridged series or the naruto idol videos on youtube , ya they are based on naruto but they have nothing to do with the consistency or established rules of the anime.

in bleach we accept that shinigami/hollow can fly but if u see naruto flying like that u wont like it , even if it was done in a different style. ( thats what pain did in this ep btw)

[Razh]

You guys should be thankful for getting this kind of material. This is movie material, guys, that you are getting in an episode. Don't look at each frame separately. It doesn't work that way in fluid motion. It just doesn't. And don't even dare to try and argue against that.

I'm looking at an anime as a whole. This episode just doesn't fit in.

Sure, it's a movie material. A movie remake of attack on Konoha arc. Or an OVA.

[Ryoku]

I'm looking at an anime as a whole. This episode just doesn't fit in.

Sure, it's a movie material. A movie remake of attack on Konoha arc. Or an OVA.

I haven't been keeping up with the ENTIRE thread, but I'm specifically referring to those who are looking at the specific frames and bash the entire episode because of those 1-2 moments of hilarity, and even I think I'm exaggerating the time-frame.

[Brill]

last weeks episode had "almost" no battle at all. it was just hinata getting efft in the a. there was no need go all out they just had to animate her so that it doesnt look like an average crap episode. but yea i agree i liked the style as better. but this style is just perfect for a fight at the speed of sound.

Even though its no usual naruto style.

Thes issues with this episode are not just style, it's also content. How is Naruto supposed to beat Pain with a simple ninjutsu if Pain can't be destroyed by a 10 metric ton rock used by the 6-tails Kyuubi repeatedly? They're destroying the fabric of the story so they can have their EPIC fight. Even if it's animated well, that doesn't justify trashing the story to do it.

[CBlitz]

Thes issues with this episode are not just style, it's also content. How is Naruto supposed to beat Pain with a simple ninjutsu if Pain can't be destroyed by a 10 metric ton rock used by the 6-tails Kyuubi repeatedly? They're destroying the fabric of the story so they can have their EPIC fight. Even if it's animated well, that doesn't justify trashing the story to do it.

you do realize that the same exact thing happened in Sasuke vs. Naruto in 133 right? Naruto was punching Sasuke through a bunch of rocks and wrecking half the valley as if it was made of cardboard. I don't remember anyone whining when that happened. Granted this episode was crazier, but its the same issue.

[Saifi]

you do realize that the same exact thing happened in Sasuke vs. Naruto in 133 right? Naruto was punching Sasuke through a bunch of rocks and wrecking half the valley as if it was made of cardboard. I don't remember anyone whining when that happened. Granted this episode was crazier, but its the same issue.

the thing is that this is crazier and hence has no believability to it even if ur an anime only viewer, i doubt any one will contest that.

[SuperSaiyaMan]

Does the last part of the episode seem almost apocalyptic? With Eight-Tailed Naruto breaking out, it blew flames that ignited falling debris of the Chibaku Tensei, giving an end of the world feel..

[Kuranzyan]

I had a totally wtf moment the fifteen minutes or so I spent watching this episode. It looked nothing like the manga did, except for one or two moments here and there throughout the eppy.

Heck, they showed Rokubi-Kyuubi cloak use the Menacing Ball only once.

Also, what the fuck was up with those gatling blasts? I mean, I can understand that the 8-tailed Kyuubi's chakra is potent enough to set large rocks on fire, but those gatling shots were just a bit too over the top.

Now, I don't particularly care whether or not a fight has filler parts in it, as long as it's done good. This isn't. And I'm not talking about the animation frame quality here. It's top notch as far as I'm concerned.

I just hate the enormous deviation from the manga's content of the fight. Gives me the feeling that I'm looking at some 'amateurish' fan animation with far too active overimagination on the creator's part.

[Brill]

you do realize that the same exact thing happened in Sasuke vs. Naruto in 133 right? Naruto was punching Sasuke through a bunch of rocks and wrecking half the valley as if it was made of cardboard. I don't remember anyone whining when that happened. Granted this episode was crazier, but its the same issue.

Well Episode 133 wasn't in the middle iof a village either right? Different locations and the actions in ep 133 don't impact results that happen in the next few epsiodes This one does impact the next 1 or 2 episodes. That's the problem.

[Kaiten]

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[Akiyama]

I thought the episode was unique. Not your typical 24 minutes of naruto that's for sure. You have to get passed that they will change things from manga to anime, it sucks but it happens. If you get too caught up in the tiniest of details you will miss the point of the anime. It's just an interpretation of the manga. The basics of the story remains in the episode and if you go on and on about this jutsu wasn't in the manga, or neither was that sentence of speech, you might be going a tad overboard with being a naruto fan. Instead of looking for the things to find to make your judgments about the bad qualities of the episode, find things you enjoy (if any) and make the best out of what you are given. Turn that frown upside down. :amuse