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destiny4ever
July 16, 2010, 06:16 PM
Densetsu no Yūsha no Densetsu (The Legend of the Legendary Heroes)

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Plot Summary: Ryner Lute is a lazy student of Roland Empire Royal Magician's school. One day, Roland Empire goes to war against a neighboring country Estaboole, and he lost his classmates in the battle. After the war, Lute sets out for a journey to search the relics of a "Legendary Hero" at Emperor Zion Astar's command. And he finds out a deadly curse spreading the continent.

Genre: Shounen, Fantasy

Number of episodes: 26

Opening Theme:
"LAMENT ~Yagate Yorokobi wo~ (LAMENT ~やがて喜びを~)" by Aira Yuki

Ending Theme:
"Truth Of My Destiny" by Ceui

Japanese staff



Animation Production: ZEXCS
Director: Itsuro Kawasaki
Series Composition: Kiyoko Yoshimura
Music: Miyu Nakamura
Original creator: Takaya Kagami
Original Character Design: Saori Toyota
Character Design: Noriko Shimazawa
Sound Director: Yoshikazu Iwanami
Producer:
Hyun Ah Jeong
Tomoko Iwasaki
Yoshiyuki Ito

Japanese cast



Ayahi Takagaki as Feris Eris
Daisuke Ono as Sion Astarl
Jun Fukuyama as Ryner Lute

Atsushi Imaruoka as Kurau Chrome
Ayana Taketatsu as Ethrina Forkle
Fuyuka Oura as Kifa Knowles
Junichi Suwabe as Milan Froward
Mikako Takahashi as Noah En
Miyuki Sawashiro as Carne Kywell
Nobuhiko Okamoto as Lilay Wrinkle
Saki Fujita as Milk Colored
Satoshi Hino as Luke Stockart
Tomokazu Sugita as Lucille Eris
Tomosa Murata as Iris Eris
Yasunori Masutani as Rachel Miller
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Episode 2

While episode 1 did make me laugh a few times, it wasn’t enough to completely captivate my interest or curiosity about this series. However, after reading some comments about how good of an episode the second one had been I decided to go ahead and watch episode 2. And to be fair, sometimes watching just one episode is not enough to decide whether you should drop a series or no. And wow, I’m very glad I decided to watch episode 2 because it was amazing!! Not only was episode 2 better than episode 1, but it also did a great job revealing important information about the main characters, specifically about Feris, Sion and Ryner.

When I watched episode 1 I couldn’t help but be reminded of Berserk and episode 2 made it very clear why, it was because of Sion. Sion is very similar to Griffith from Berserk, to the point to which it makes me wonder if the author of The Legend of the Legendary Heroes is a big fan of Berserk.

Episode 2 started incredibly poignant (poor Sion…it was so painful to watch all that he had to go through at such a young agehttp://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/sad-049.gif) and ended incredibly suspenseful. I can’t wait to watch episode 3 and judging by the end of episode 1…I’m expecting for episode 3 to be an extremely emotional one.

Charlie
July 16, 2010, 07:59 PM
Thanks for making the thread/was thinking of making one myself. :hug

I saw the raw for episode three yesterday. The show continues from the last episode.

Ryner going wild with the activated stigma eyes were insane. I must say it was a crazy episode.
I think you mentioned about getting the codegeass feel.
That part totally did it for me. I had a feeling that the girl Kiefer was the spy or betrayer in their camp. Which was hinted in episode two. :p

So, in the end Ryner decides to be locked away and sleep with his three meals a day. :XD



There is a wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_the_Legendary_Heroes) that has some character info and a bit more stuff (from the novles) than the anime episodes revealed thus far. So read it with caution, or don't if you don't want to be spoiled.
There is major spoiler about characters / events.

destiny4ever
July 16, 2010, 10:06 PM
If you judge this series solely based on its name (which, let’s just say it could have been better…) or just on the first episode and therefore decide not to watch it, you will be missing out on a series that has great potential of becoming one of the best of this season, at least in my humble opinion.


Episode 3


What a way to start this episode! In episode 2, we got to see just a glimpse of Ferris’ brother and to be honest I didn’t pay much attention to him; but oh boy was it different this time around. Lucille commanded my whole attention as soon as he appeared in episode 3. The calm, swift and cold way in which he killed Broph and his conversation with Ferris revealed that behind that serene exterior lies a powerful, astute and intriguing man.

While episode 2 made it clear why episode 1 had reminded me of Berserk; episode 3 made it very clear why episode 1 had reminded of Code Geass as well; it was because of Ryner. Ryner has a lot of similarities with Lelouch from Code Geass. Not only they both have the same seiyuu, but they both have amazing eye powers and they both have alter egos. It was cool how when Ryner’s Alpha Stigma activated he sounded just like Zero.

When it was mentioned in episode 2 that Ryner was known as the black haired demon/monster, I had the same reaction as Sion when he watched Ryner sleeping in the library: “Ryner…a demon? No…it can’t be…maybe he is called that way because he is crazily powerful….” The fact that I was in a bit of denial about Ryner's dark side allowed me to enjoy the moment when said dark side appeared even more because it truly surprised me, I wasn’t expecting for it to be…so evil and lethal. I now understand why Ryner said in episode 1 that he hated himself…

Another important thing that is worth mentioning about Alpha Stigma (Ryner’s evil alter ego) is the fact that his control over Ryner seems to diminish if he attempts to hurt people that Ryner cares about (like when he tried to hurt Sion and Kiefer).

As it was hinted in episode 2, the spy was Kiefer. She betrayed her friends (especially Sion since the goal of her betrayal was Sion’s assassination) because she was trying to protect her younger sister; however, the only thing Kiefer's betrayal accomplished was the deaths of innocent people (her friends) since her sister had died long ago.

The scenes between Kiefer and Ryner as he was getting imprisoned and she was getting released were great. Ryner assuring Kiefer that she wasn’t a monster but a human and then Kiefer assuring Ryner that he wasn’t a monster with a kiss and by explaining the reasons why she had fallen for him; she was in love with him because he was kind and strong. That scene was so meaningful and romantic~

When I saw the scene when Sion was welcomed as a war hero, I thought for a second, “Oh no…please tell me he is not going to betray Ryner and let him rot in jail…” So you can imagine how relieved I was when I saw Sion visiting Ryner and willing to sacrifice even himself in order to help Ryner escape from jail.

In the end, Ryner turned down Sion’s offer and decided to stay in jail where he can take afternoon naps as much as he wants and where he has three meals a day. On the surface it might seem as if Ryner said that because he is a lazy guy who only cares about napping, but if you look beneath the surface you will realize that the real reason why he decided to stay in jail was for Sion’s sake and because he already has a plan in mind, a plan for which he needs plenty of time.

I so can’t wait to watch episode 4!!!!


Thanks for making the thread/was thinking of making one myself. :hug
You’re welcome. :)
Thank you for mentioning this series in the “What anime are you watching and next on your list?” thread, it was because you mentioned this series that I decided to watch it since I kind of forgot about it. Arigato! :hug




I think you mentioned about getting the codegeass feel.
That part totally did it for me.
The Code Geass feeling was very strong during this episode and I have a feeling it won’t be the last time we feel this. ;) *looks at Ryner's seiyuu*



There is a wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_the_Legendary_Heroes) that has some character info and a bit more stuff (from the novles) than the anime episodes revealed thus far. So read it with caution, or don't if you don't want to be spoiled.
There is major spoiler about characters / events.
*must be strong* *must resist temptation to click on link* *won't allow wiki to spoil another series for me*

Since I’m enjoying this series so much, I will try my best to keep myself as far away from spoilers and wiki as possible. But thank you for the info. ^_^

Charlie
July 17, 2010, 11:06 AM
I think I posted this in the anime preview thread. ^^;

I forgot to mention this the other day. There was some trailers for this from a while back.

Might be a little redundant because the show started, but this one is interesting. Might be slight spoiler near the end. Although it shows some scenes from the battle of the first ep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jpyn_9XTpE&feature=related

destiny4ever
July 18, 2010, 08:06 PM
Here’s the trailer with subs:
Denyuden - The Legend of the Legendary Heroes - PV2 – subbed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgA3wlkEHlk&feature=PlayList&p=971308DF9780534D&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=38)
That trailer just turned me into a Ferris x Ryner fan!!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m015.gif (http://www.laymark.com) And I really hope I’m wrong but Sion’s expression near the end of the trailer gave me the feeling that he will become even more similar to Griffith than I would like him to…in other words…

He will turn against Ryner and become his enemy :(.

Btw, here’s a scan about TLOTLH, unfortunately I don’t know how to read kanji so I have no clue what it says, but on the bright side, Ryner looks awesome. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m016.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

Thanks to Angrypokstick for the link and the scan!
Denyuden - The Legend of the Legendary Heroes (http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3421/0a9e1279169503.jpg)

raptor02_2001
July 19, 2010, 02:11 AM
i read posts .. i will download it for try it .. i hope it will fun and interesting since i am big of fan
war anime..

how long to run as Standard 13esp or 25 esp?

destiny4ever
July 19, 2010, 11:04 AM
i read posts .. i will download it for try it
I’m glad to hear you are going to give Densetsu a try, raptor02_2001. :) I really hope you enjoy it as much as I have been enjoying it. ^_^



.. i hope it will fun and interesting since i am big of fan
war anime..
Episode 1 is not super interesting but episode 2 and 3…they are great!! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/thumbsup.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)



how long to run as Standard 13esp or 25 esp?
According to ANN and MAL the number of episodes for this series is 26.

thornofcarrion
July 21, 2010, 12:07 AM
Interesting series, I like it and will continue to watch it. I like the animation and character designs. Episode 3 was quite epic when Ryner went berserk.

After_Image
July 22, 2010, 11:38 AM
So I finally got to watching it and at first I was put off by the name of the title. The first episode wasn't all that great but I think most first episode are like that. However, the second and third episodes were really entertaining. I like how we got to see some back story to the main character and why he is the way he is.

My favorite part so far is Ryner just becoming a monster and destroying the knights. Just plain awesome!!! :wtf
Also a big fan of Ferris and her fascination for dango. :XD

Definitely will continue watching the anime. Thanks Destiny for the recommendation. :amuse

destiny4ever
July 23, 2010, 06:14 PM
Interesting series, I like it and will continue to watch it.
I’m glad you liked the series and that you’ll continue to watch it. :) I hope you also continue to post in this thread. ^_^



Episode 3 was quite epic when Ryner went berserk.


My favorite part so far is Ryner just becoming a monster and destroying the knights. Just plain awesome!!! :wtf
That was a very powerful moment in episode 3 I agree.



Also a big fan of Ferris and her fascination for dango. :XD
Ferris is great!! I like her very much http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m208.gif (http://www.laymark.com) and her love for dango is very cute! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m054.gif (http://www.laymark.com) She will be the perfect singer for this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4k6HWcf6jM), IMO. ;) Dango ~ Dango ~ Dango no Kazoku ~ ♪



Definitely will continue watching the anime. Thanks Destiny for the recommendation. :amuse
You’re very welcome AI. :) I’m glad to hear you will continue watching this series and I hope you also continue visiting this thread.

I checked some preview pics from episode 4 and it seems like episode 4 won’t have as much action as episode 3, but we will see some interesting interactions between Ferris, Sion and Ryner.
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Episode 4
Even though this episode didn’t have as much action as episode 3, it was another great and interesting episode! :cool: This series is rapidly turning into my favorite one of this summer season.


We started this episode with one of the most interesting characters in this series, IMHO, I’m referring to Lucile Eris. The conversation between Lucile and Sion at the beginning of this episode was fascinating as it was terrifying. During said conversation we learned that Lucile was willing to help Sion become the king of Roland but only if Sion was able to pass Lucile’s test (a test to see whether or not Sion was suitable to become the king).

Taking a school test is hard and stressful as it is, so I can only imagine how nerve-racking it must be to take a test where if your examiner thinks you answered one question wrong the consequence for your wrong answer isn’t a zero but your own life!! Props must be given to Sion for the way he accepted Lucile’s challenge and for the reasons why he did it. Lucile and Sion are both very intriguing men. And while I find myself fangirling over Ryner the most; I must say that I really, really like Sion. http://www.laymark.com/i/o/63.gif (http://www.laymark.com) Btw…I’m very, very, very curious about the questions Lucile asked Sion and the answers Sion gave to Lucile. http://www.laymark.com/i/o/46.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

Now…I apologize in advance but my inner fangirl wants to come out to play for a little bit…so I love Ryner!!!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m015.gif (http://www.laymark.com) He is incredible!!! This episode made me love Ryner so much more!!!

He is described as a lazy guy, but he is so much more than that. Ryner’s conversation with the spider when he first notices the presence of it was so adorable, cute and funny. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m054.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

But the spider wasn’t the only one with whom Ryner became friends with during the almost two years he spent in prison; Ryner also became good friends with the jailer in charge of taking care of him. In fact, the jailer grew so fond of Ryner that he cried when he released him from prison and led him to what he thought would be Ryner’s execution. If it wasn’t for the fact that I really doubted they were going to kill one of the main characters of this series so early in the story, I would have been just as depressed as the jailer.

Ryner vs. Feris was awesome!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m087.gif (http://www.laymark.com) It was cool and funny at the same time; I do enjoy the interactions between these two. :) And wow, Feris is such an amazing swordswoman. :cool:

Ryner’s expression upon finding out who was the new king of Roland was priceless, just as priceless as Sion’s “uso dayo”. :XD I was glad to learn that Kiefer was still alive and that she was okay…btw, I wonder if we’ll see her again in future episodes…

“How to build a Kingdom of Afternoon Naps”, I literally went “awwww” when Sion read the title of Ryner’s report. :wtf During his years in prison, Ryner didn’t spend his time solely taking naps; he also wrote a report, a very interesting and noble report aimed to find a way to eliminate wars across the world. And it was because of that report that Sion decided to send Ryner and Feris in a journey all over the world in order to gather heroic relics.

I wonder if Sion did that because he actually had some faith in Ryner’s report/idea of how to achieve peace and exterminate war, or if he sent them on that journey because it was the only way in which he could save Ryner from death penalty…

Dango = Feri’s ultimate weakness. :D She would do anything for the sake of her beloved dango.

I didn’t fully understand Lucile and Sion’s conversation after Ryner and Feris left, but one thing I did understand is that Lucile only sees Sion as an object and will have no qualms in killing him if he isn’t useful to his plans anymore. Maybe I’m wrong but I think Lucile is the “Shadow King” in this series. I can’t help but feel sad and worried regarding Sion :( …since I don’t have a good feeling about the “Shadow King”…

After listening to Ryner’s monologue as the episode was ending…I agree Ryner, a Kingdom of Afternoon Naps doesn’t sound bad at all. :)

I can’t wait to watch episode 5!!!

Charlie
July 23, 2010, 06:43 PM
I was somewhat bored in certain parts of episode 4. Maybe because I was expecting more from the previous episodes.

It was nice to see Ryner in prison and I suppose getting older withe the time flashes. I liked his look with the ponytail at the end.

* & wtf he mysteriously gets a cut/trim and new clothes. :XD

The parts of the episode I liked were..


The prison scene with the guard and Ryner. It was interesting to see their friendship along with the guards family.

I also liked the match between Ferris and Ryner. He could have taken her out but choose not to. Ferris sword seem to be something special as well.


It appears with Ryner and Ferris being sent out bye Sion, the flashbacks are somewhat over.

destiny4ever
July 23, 2010, 07:39 PM
I was somewhat bored in certain parts of episode 4. Maybe because I was expecting more from the previous episodes.
Yes, I do think it has to do with the expectations you have before watching an episode. I actually enjoyed this episode because I was expecting for this episode to be a calmer, more plot and less action kind of episode.




& wtf he mysteriously gets a cut/trim and new clothes. :XD
I was wondering about that too. :XD But I guess Feris was the one who cut his hair and gave him new clothes.




I also liked the match between Ferris and Ryner. He could have taken her out but choose not to. Ferris sword seem to be something special as well.

Special as in magical?




It appears with Ryner and Ferris being sent out bye Sion, the flashbacks are somewhat over.

Well…I don’t think they're over yet since I think the flashbacks will actually be over when the story catches up with what happened in episode 1.

After_Image
July 23, 2010, 07:49 PM
I agree with destiny this episode was good because it gave us more plot and is shaping the story along.
It was sad when Ryner thought he was going to be executed but had accepted his fate. Poor guard was sad :(. That kind of got to me.

Overall the series is getting better with each episode and I can't wait for the next one. :XD

destiny4ever
July 23, 2010, 08:09 PM
It was sad when Ryner thought he was going to be executed but had accepted his fate. Poor guard was sad :(. That kind of got to me.


It was a sad moment indeed. :( But even though Ryner looked like he had accepted his fate and was consoling the jailer, he actually didn’t accept his fate. That’s why when he and Feris were a bit away from the entrance and had gotten more into the forest he said: “Sorry. But I’m making a break for it”. In fact, that was the reason why Ryner vs. Feris started.

Charlie
July 23, 2010, 10:37 PM
@Destiny

Yeah I meant special as in magical. I'm looking forward to the next episode.
I also liked Ryners reaction to Sion being king, like you mentioned.

thornofcarrion
July 25, 2010, 01:32 PM
Why are we using spoiler tags :confused.

Just watched Episode 4. I really liked it. No action but Ryner made it up for it. He is an interesting character along with Ferris. I am sure the series will pick the pace from next episode.

destiny4ever
July 26, 2010, 04:07 PM
@Destiny
Yeah I meant special as in magical.
Mmm…that sounds like a very interesting theory. Even though Ryner didn’t perceive any magic on Feris when he used his special eyes during the Ryner vs. Feris fight, that doesn’t necessarily mean that Feris’ sword doesn’t have any magical powers…maybe it’s a different kind of magic…I can’t wait to know more about the Eris family.



Why are we using spoiler tags :confused.
Since we were talking about the series on the very same day the subs for episode 4 came out, I was using spoilers tags so that people who hadn’t watched the episode yet wouldn't be spoiled by the comments made in this thread.



I am sure the series will pick the pace from next episode.
I’m actually still a bit undecided regarding what to expect in episode 5…I don’t know if we’ll have more action than in episode 4 or if we’ll have the same more-plot-less-action kind of deal in episode 5.

Charlie
July 26, 2010, 08:33 PM
Mmm…that sounds like a very interesting theory. Even though Ryner didn’t perceive any magic on Feris when he used his special eyes during the Ryner vs. Feris fight, that doesn’t necessarily mean that Feris’ sword doesn’t have any magical powers…maybe it’s a different kind of magic…I can’t wait to know more about the Eris family.


I figured it to be magical because It was used to stop Ryners attacks. Which was interesting. I think Ryner said he was about 70% during the match, which should be enough to defeat most people imho.

destiny4ever
July 29, 2010, 05:57 PM
@ Charlie: Ahhh. I think Feris was able to stop Ryner’s attacks because she is an amazing and very skillful swordswoman and because Ryner was going easy on her, as Feris herself acknowledged it later. Ryner wasn’t fighting for real; he just wanted to escape. However, he did underestimate Feris and it wasn't until later during the fight that he realized that even when he wasn’t fighting for real, Feris - on the other hand - was taking the fight very seriously.

The reason why I think Feris' sword can be special/magical is because the Eris family is a renowned sword clan who is in charge of guarding the Roland royal family, so maybe Feris' sword is a sword with a long history that has been passed down from generation to generation while at the same time acquiring some kind of special powers over the years.
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Thanks to larethian for the translation and for the info!!

larethian:



Just got my latest issue of Dragon Magazine (2010 issue 9) and it features Denyuden =). (Disclaimer: I'm not really good at translating. Apologies if the sentence structure appears unnatural in English)



Sion: So it seems that the anime has started, Ryner, Ferris, what are your thoughts on it?
Ferris: Hmm. In the opening, there's a scene with a lecher with bloodshot eyes taking aim at girls.
Ryner: ......Lecher? Don't tell me you're referring to me?
Ferris: Is there anyone else? And the next frame shows Ryner Lute snatching off panties from a clothesline with the speed of light.
Ryner: Isn't that just me using magic?
Sion: As expected of Ryner, making quick work of the panties.
Ryner: As I was saying, what the heck are you guys talking about?
Ferris: "Please don't... I beg of you... Please don't steal my panties", it's that scene.
Sion: Hehehe, our king of perverts is stealing the whole world's panties, it's that scene.
Ryner: ......Err, do you guys really hate to be in the same room with me so much? Well, if you guys keep on in this manner, I might as well take an afternoon nap...... Kyaaaaaa!?
Ferris: But I definitely cannot forgive such a pervert, ah it's the frame with the angelic beauty Ferris-chan.
Sion: Yo. I've been waiting for it.
Ryner: ......Seriously I feel like nobody is properly introducing the anime itself......Well, so be it.
Ferris: "Yaaa, the truth is I was a real pervert ♥", it's that scene.
Sion: Eh? Me too?
Ryner: Woah, well done well done Ferris. You've done this morose rascal a good finishing blow.
Sion: Well, fine. Then...... ok. Yeah that's right. I'm a pervert. C'mon everyone, send me your panties.
Ryner: "Is that really so? If Your Majesty wishes it, please have mine" BY Froaude frame.
Sion: Eh? Was that such a scene?
Ferris: "Take mine as well. Please mine too. It's also ok to take mine next" BY Claugh, Calne, Miller frame.
Sion: ......I didn't expect it to be such an anime......having said that let's return to the topic, it's about time, shall we get serious about doing the commentary?
Ryner: Isn't it a bit late now?
Ferris: I've been very serious right from the start.
Ryner: It's because of that kind of "seriousness" from you, that's why it has become so bothersome...... ah, here comes Milk.
Ferris: It's that casual girl whom you've dumped in the past.
Ryner: Huh? You said the same thing in the anime.
Ferris: That's because it's the truth.
Ryner: Errrr......
Ryner: Anyway, I'm feeling pretty sleepy right now.
Ferris: This is not the time for that, Ryner! A very important scene is coming up!
Ryner: What important scene?
Ferris: It's Sion assualting a young man.
Ryner: Yeah, you are right.
Sion: Oi oi, if you are just looking at this segment, it might appear that way but...
Ferris: Although you say that, Shion Ahotaare(*) is being beaten up by the police.
Ryner: The Legend of the Legendary Heroes, The END.
Sion: What gave you guys the right to end it like that?
Ryner: I'm sleepy.
Ferris: I'm bored.
Sion: Wha? Do it properly.
Ryner: Well, I'll go ahead then.
Ferris: I'm heading to the dango shop then.
Sion: Hey hey, Ferris. I have already prepared some dango here.
Ferris: What!
Ryner: Is it ok for me to have some?
Ferris: Munch munch munch.
Ryner: Gobble gobble gobble.
Sion: What should we do with a commentary with only dango eating noises?
Ferris: Munch munch?
Sion: I don't know what's going on anymore. Hey, Ryner, don't fall asleep while eating! Just a little bit more and we are almost done.
Ryner: ...... Hmm? Ah, you're right. It's already coming to an end. It's the last scene?
Sion: That's right.
Ferris: Hmm. It's the place where Ryner and Sion meet, a past which I'm not aware of.
Ryner: That's nostalgic.
Ferris: Why is that redhead girl crying?
Ryner: ............
Sion: ............
Ferris: Don't tell me you guys forcibly......
Ryner: That's not it!
Sion: ...... But the acutal story starts from here onwards.
Ryner: Yep.
Ferris: It's the story about me searching for the ultimate dango.
($$)
Ryner: ............ Well, and then...
Sion: Ehhhhhh, and then... are we really doing this? Well well, that's good too. From here on, it's going to get even more exciting, so everyone, please support the anime!
Ryner: You are pretty adult-like.
Sion: Hehe, I guess.
($$)

Footnotes:
* シオン.アホターレ (Shion Ahotaare) as opposed to シオン.アスタール (Shion Asutaaru), I'm not entirely sure of this part, but I think the last name is changed as a joke with "Aho" meaning idiot.

$$ This last part is not very intuitive in English. But it basically means that Ryner and Sion are wise enough not to disagree with Ferris.
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I loved that ^conversation!! :D

This hilarious conversation between Sion, Ryner and Ferris :XD reminds me of a Japanese radio program called All Night Nippon, especially of when actors and actresses of J-dramas are invited to that program to promote their series.

Charlie
July 30, 2010, 07:47 PM
I liked the interaction that Ryner and Ferris had in the beginning part.

Ryner showed his combat ability pretty well dealing with those thugs. Due to his lazy personality, you sometimes forget that he was a trained solider since a young age. Besides possessing the stigma eyes.

It's nice to see him doing the kicking and punching for a change rather than receiving it. :amuse

Shame about what happened to Fiole. :yelling
I wasn't expecting him to get killed at all. That came out of no-where.
The nobles are sending Sion a pretty strong message.
[hr]

But........ what about that yaoi-esc scene eh? :s

Also that dark cloth wearing person, Miran. Talk about hinting a guy who is going to do mischievous things. :p

The young king is certainly moving forward to the dark side it seems.


Looking forward to the next episode, hopefully it will focus more on Ryner. ^^

destiny4ever
July 30, 2010, 08:56 PM
It's nice to see him doing the kicking and punching for a change rather than receiving it. :amuse
I totally agree. Ryner needs to be shown more love, Feris abuses him too much…or maybe that is her tsundere way to show that she cares about him…



Shame about what happened to Fiole. :yelling
That was so sad, poor Fiole!!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m033.gif (http://www.laymark.com) I think the one who killed him was Miran a.k.a. Mr. Darkness.



The nobles are sending Sion a pretty strong message.
I think I know what strong message you’re referring to, but just to be sure…what kind of strong message do you think the nobles are sending Sion?



But........ what about that yaoi-esc scene eh? :s
I didn’t see it…where? http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m190.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



The young king is certainly moving forward to the dark side it seems.
No Sion…don’t go to the dark side!!!!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m040.gif (http://www.laymark.com) Miran has started to corrupt Sion’s pure and noble heart. :(

Charlie
July 30, 2010, 09:59 PM
I totally agree. Ryner needs to be shown more love, Feris abuses him too much…or maybe that is her tsundere way to show that she cares about him…


That was so sad, poor Fiole!!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m033.gif (http://www.laymark.com) I think the one who killed him was Miran a.k.a. Mr. Darkness.


I think I know what strong message you're referring to, but just to be sure…what kind of strong message do you think the nobles are sending Sion?


I didn’t see it…where? http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m190.gif (http://www.laymark.com)


No Sion…don’t go to the dark side!!!!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m040.gif (http://www.laymark.com) Miran has started to corrupt Sion’s pure and noble heart. :(


I think they're sending him a message of telling him to watch his back. Sion is aware that if he heads out publicly somewhere that he will get killed. He needs to bide his time before he can strike them first. Hence also aligning with Miron.

The Yaoi scene I was referring to was somewhere around when Fiole was serving food and Sion blushed. The whole scene of their conversation and interactions reeked of yaoi-ness to me.

With which if you carry that thought into the death scene, opens up new levels of thoughts. :amuse

Sion imho, is bordering coming out of the closet. ;)

destiny4ever
August 01, 2010, 05:34 PM
I think they're sending him a message of telling him to watch his back. Sion is aware that if he heads out publicly somewhere that he will get killed. He needs to bide his time before he can strike them first. Hence also aligning with Miron.
Ahhh. Yes, I agree. The nobility of Roland is not very happy with Sion as their king. The message that that man with the moustache told Sion and the reactions of the nobles when they heard about Fiole’s death are clear signs that Sion has to watch his back and can't trust in those nobles, no even for a second.



The Yaoi scene I was referring to was somewhere around when Fiole was serving food and Sion blushed
Did he? I didn’t notice Sion blushing, his voice does change a bit after Fiole's compliments him but I don’t see any blushing. Btw, I just watched that scene again after reading your post, and ….I now can’t help but notice signs that seem yaoish during Sion and Fiole’s interactions…:sweat



With which if you carry that thought into the death scene, opens up new levels of thoughts. :amuse
Mmm…I think I’m going to leave that door close…otherwise I’m afraid I will start looking at Sion in a very, very different way. :worrybunny



Sion imho, is bordering coming out of the closet. ;)
*pretends she didn’t read that line*http://msnsmileys.net/v/smileys/Viontes/Eyes_Closed.gif
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Episode 5

- Feris sure enjoys teasing Ryner, doesn’t she? She calls him master degenerate and a pervert…but I wonder if the real pervert is Feris herself and maybe she is just projecting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection) those feelings on Ryner…http://www.laymark.com/i/o/46.gif (http://www.laymark.com)


-http://www.laymark.com/i/o/63.gif (http://www.laymark.com) I loved the way in which Ryner protected Toale’s siblings. And wow, Ryner sure has great reflexes; the way in which he easily defeated those bad guys reminded that Ryner is an excellent fighter even without using his Alpha Stigma.

-It was interesting to notice how Toale and Sion had similar situations, but how different were the paths that both of these men had decided to take. I wonder if having younger siblings would have influenced the path Sion decided to take...

-“On the bright side, at least the one killed was a commoner”. The nobles from Roland are so despicable. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/japanese-011.gif

-Fiole’s death was so unexpected and sad. :( My theory is that Miran was the one who killed Fiole. He was at the party and he had a serious motive to kill poor Fiole and he even mentioned he would do anything for a promotion, plus he reeks of pure evilness.

-I wonder if Sion’s jealousy of Ryner and Feris’ carefree journey will develop in darker feelings like resentment and hatred…

-Much to my dismay, Sion has just made a pact with the darkness. I read a fan’s comment that said “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” and it seems like Sion has stepped on said road.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/sad-048.gif
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Here’s an interesting chart about this series:

Thanks to Hypernova for the pic!
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7044/imgcorrelative.jpg

Thanks to larethian for the translation!




mutual links will not be repeated.

Ryner Lute (arufa sutiguma hojisha - bearer of alpha stigma)
=Sion Astal (shin yuu) - trusted friend
=Ferris Eris (taisetsu na aibou) - important partner
=Toale Nelphi (tomodachi) - friend

Ferris Eris
=Sion Astal (tomodachi) - friend
=Lucile Eris (kyoudai) - siblings ("older brother and younger sister" in kanji)
=Iris Eris (shimai, can also be read as kyoudai) - sisters

Lucile Eris
=Sion Astal (goei, ou toshite tameshite iru) - guard, testing (Sion) as a king

Sion Astal
=Calne Kaiwel (juushin, tomodachi) - senior statesman, friend
=Claugh Klom (juushin, tomodachi) - senior statesman, friend
= Rahel Miller (juushin) - senior statesman
= Duke Stearead + Count Klasbel + Lord Parl + Lord Beril (tairitsu kankei) - antagonism

Miran Froaude
=Sion Astal (chuusei, yami o ninau) - loyalty, to shoulder darkness

Claugh Klom
=Calne Kaiwel (naka ga yoi) - good relationship
=Miran Froaude (kirai, keikai) - dislike, to guard (against)

Fiole Folkal (shibou - deceased)
=Sion Astal (tsukaeru) - to work for
= Eslina Folkal (kyoudai) - siblings ("older brother and younger sister" in kanji)

Toale Nelphi (nerufa ou no mago - grandson of Nelpha's king)
=Ibel, Telua (kyoudai) - siblings

Rahel Miller
=[imi yaburi tsuigeki tai - taboo breaker pursuing corps] (karera no joushi) - their superior

Milk Callaud [imi yaburi tsuigeki tai - taboo breaker pursuing corps] (taichou - commanding officer)
=Ryner Lute (koui) - favor (in a romantic way)
=Ferris Eris (Raina / Ferisu o imi yaburi toshite ou) - pursuing Ryner & Ferris as taboo breakers
=Luke Stokkart + Lear Rinkal + Raha Belarioru + Muu Belarioru (kazoku teki na tsunagari, shinrai) - bonded like family, trust

Luke Stokkart
=Milk Callaud (hogosha teki yakuwari) - guardian-like duties
=Lear Rinkal + Raha Belarioru + Muu Belarioru (kazoku teki na tsunagari, shinrai) - bonded like family, trust

Charlie
August 01, 2010, 08:45 PM
Great stuff, Destiny. I cant rep more than once :yelling. ~_~
Saw that on the official Japanese site I believe but off-course couldn't read a thing.
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-Much to my dismay, Sion has just made a pact with the darkness. I read a fan’s comment that said “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” and it seems like Sion has stepped on said road.

It's interesting what the chart says about Miran. "Miran Froaude
=Sion Astal (chuusei, yami o ninau) - loyalty, to shoulder darkness".

Maybe he isn't so evil after all? Shouldn't Judge an anime character by his clothes or darkish personality perhaps. :kukuku

destiny4ever
August 01, 2010, 09:42 PM
Great stuff, Destiny. I cant rep more than once :yelling. ~_~
It's okay. ^_^ I’m just glad you liked it.:)



Saw that on the official Japanese site I believe but off-course couldn't read a thing.
Yes, that pic is from the official Japanese site. I couldn’t understand a thing as well, thankfully another fan was kind enough to translate the chart. There is also a map (http://www.denyuden.jp/story/map.html) that is quite informative, and it kind of makes me wonder if that will be all the places Feris and Ryner will travel to and the kingdoms Sion will try to conquer…



It's interesting what the chart says about Miran. "Miran Froaude
=Sion Astal (chuusei, yami o ninau) - loyalty, to shoulder darkness".
Maybe he isn't so evil after all? Shouldn't Judge an anime character by his clothes or darkish personality perhaps. :kukuku
Oh no. Charlie has been deceived by Miran as well.:o Please don’t join Miran and the dark side!

Now going back to the chart, even if it says that about Miran on that chart atm, to me he is still Mr. Darkness and my # 1 suspect in Fiole’s assassination.http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m051.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

Zeltrax
August 08, 2010, 09:40 PM
just caught up with this anime.
I'm really enjoying it, the characters esp.
and the world that is written.
A world with nobles and commoners, wars and a corrupted society.
I'm really looking forward to what will happen to Sion.
Will he remain as who he is, a good guy
neutral or entering the darkness and become like one of them?
Hopefully, it'll be an awesome 26 episodes.

raptor02_2001
August 09, 2010, 01:32 AM
me too. i avoid this thread since i watch 1-5 esp in one day... i love it .. i can't wait for next esp but i am just shock that is anime has dark and light side ... i wonder who be evil or good for King ??? i hope King will became dark king with good intention ... clean noble house ... i thought King suppose more power over noble ...

destiny4ever
August 09, 2010, 11:54 AM
I'm really enjoying it, the characters esp.
Who is your favorite character? :)


I'm really looking forward to what will happen to Sion.
Will he remain as who he is, a good guy
neutral or entering the darkness and become like one of them?
I’m also looking forward to what will happen to Sion as well; especially now that Miran has appeared. And after watching episode 6, my hope of Sion turning away from the dark side is not as strong as before; in fact, there were various moments during the episode where I could see Sion’s dark side starting to emerge.



i hope King will became dark king with good intention
A dark king with good intentions, you mean like someone who commits evil and bad things but with the purpose of achieving a noble goal?



i thought King suppose more power over noble ...
In theory a king is supposed to have more power than the nobility, but…in politics things are never what they seem or how they're supposed to be.

Charlie
August 09, 2010, 06:38 PM
Sion inadvertently sent Miran to kill his two friends. He seems a tad shaken from that. Even though it was obvious that Miran acted on his own for Sion sake. Sion understood that as well.

I think Ryner had it correct when he said that Toale (sp) would make a better king than Sion.

I wish Ryner would be a bit more like his dark side; Who has the soothing confidence to do whatever he wants to. Rather than being "Mr. I am going to sleep" mode guy until the dark-side comes out.

It also seemed like during that confrontation, Stigma Ryner was about to appear but Ryner suppressed it.

destiny4ever
August 09, 2010, 07:38 PM
He seems a tad shaken from that.
He was shaken, but what kind of made me realize that Sion is getting closer to the darkness instead of returning to the light was the fact that he was okay with Miran killing the other nobles and when the possibility of Miran killing his friends appeared instead of facing it and trying to look into it he dismissed it.



I wish Ryner would be a bit more like his dark side; Who has the soothing confidence to do whatever he wants to. Rather than being "Mr. I am going to sleep" mode guy until the dark-side comes out.
I actually think that even in lazy mode Ryner is confident and does what he wants. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think Ryner has been manipulated into doing something he doesn’t want, at least so far he hasn’t.


It also seemed like during that confrontation, Stigma Ryner was about to appear but Ryner suppressed it.
That part reminded me of Code Geass so much. And yes, Alpha Stigma was emerging but Ryner was able to suppress it. What I found interesting was the fact that it seemed like what makes Alpha Stigma come to the surface is telling/ordering Ryner to die.

Charlie
August 09, 2010, 07:54 PM
He was shaken, but what kind of made me realize that Sion is getting closer to the darkness instead of returning to the light was the fact that he was okay with Miran killing the other nobles and when the possibility of Miran killing his friends appeared instead of facing it and trying to look into it he dismissed it.

And I'll add that he quickly brushed it off. At-least that was the portrayal I perceived from that scene.



I actually think that even in lazy mode Ryner is confident and does what he wants. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think Ryner has been manipulated into doing something he doesn’t want, at least so far he hasn’t.


Well that is true, he chooses to follow whatever he decides. He could easily prevent anyone from doing anything to him. If he was against not doing something.



That part reminded me of Code Geass so much. And yes, Alpha Stigma was emerging but Ryner was able to suppress it. What I found interesting was the fact that it seemed like what makes Alpha Stigma come to the surface is telling/ordering Ryner to die.

Interesting observation, perhaps when his life is in danger from a serious attack (life threatening)... the stigma awakens?

destiny4ever
August 09, 2010, 08:29 PM
And I'll add that he quickly brushed it off. At-least that was the portrayal I perceived from that scene.
I perceived the same thing. In a way I think Sion dismissed the possibility of Miran trying to kill his friends so quickly because doing that allow him to not let even a bit of remorse enter his mind and heart.



Well that is true, he chooses to follow whatever he decides. He could easily prevent anyone from doing anything to him. If he was against not doing something.
Yep. He might complain sometimes but if he is doing something is because he is okay with it and he wants to do it.



Interesting observation, perhaps when his life is in danger from a serious attack (life threatening)... the stigma awakens?
I think that is exactly what happens. I think Alpha Stigma is to Ryner
what Hichigo is to Ichigo in Bleach.

raptor02_2001
August 10, 2010, 01:41 AM
A dark king with good intentions, you mean like someone who commits evil and bad things but with the purpose of achieving a noble goal?


In theory a king is supposed to have more power than the nobility, but…in politics things are never what they seem or how they're supposed to be.


purpose of achieving a noble goal .. i thought King want to cleanse Noble houses .. stop greed and prevent repeat cycle greed and war..
IF king is weak then Noble can overtake it ... why Noble wait for it or weak moment of King but I think People knowledge of King was Hero of War.. mean Noble can't touch it but can kill in assassin..

destiny4ever
August 10, 2010, 01:19 PM
i thought King want to cleanse Noble houses .. stop greed and prevent repeat cycle greed and war..
Ah. Well the reason why Sion wanted to become the king of Roland was because he wanted to change a lot of things that were wrong with that kingdom, including the ones you mentioned, greed and corruption with which the nobility of Roland had been contaminated; and you’re right he also wanted to bring peace to his nation. So his intentions were noble and good at the beginning. However, as I mentioned before, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and Sion has stepped on said road; in fact, he has started to walk on said road.



IF king is weak then Noble can overtake it ... why Noble wait for it or weak moment of King but I think People knowledge of King was Hero of War.. mean Noble can't touch it but can kill in assassin..
It is because the people of Roland see Sion as a hero of war and as a noble and good king that the nobility can’t touch him within Roland’s territory, that’s why they were planning to kill him once Sion were to visit the neighboring kingdom. Sion knew that and took the proper “precautions” (a.k.a Sion asking Miran to take care of everything) to stop that from happening.

raptor02_2001
August 11, 2010, 01:13 AM
that is true then if Sion was killed in neighboring kingdom mean more war... Damn Sion was stuck between Village and Noble ...
I hope Some noble will side with Sion ...
esp 6 came out .. i will back to watch it if i has time ...

Charlie
August 12, 2010, 04:37 PM
Episode 7

It was nice to see flashback from Ryners and milks past. Seems like Ryner does not remember it however. Poor milk, she went from being the first wheel to the third :XD. (Ferris, Kiefer, Milk)
I wished we could’ve gotten to see more of Ryner’s past.

Ryner managed to find one of those hero items, it was funny how he managed to activate it then opting to run away rather than trying to stop it. Just like in the first ep. ^^

I don’t really blame him either, that monster dragon looked pretty dangerous.

Seems like there is a rebellion under way, and wow did you guys see Sion’s reaction to the news?
Definitely a cut throat type scene.

destiny4ever
August 13, 2010, 07:31 PM
It was an enjoyable episode, it made me laugh a few times and I’m always grateful for some laughs. :)


Episode 7
It was nice to see flashback from Ryners and milks past.
Yes, it was very nice to learn a bit more about Ryner’s past. And it seems like things in the “orphanage” were Milk and Ryner were raised were really hard and difficult. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/sad-048.gif



Seems like Ryner does not remember it however.
Maybe I’m wrong but I have the feeling that Ryner does remember Milk but for some reason he is acting like he doesn’t…

However, events in life do have more impact on some people than on others, so maybe Ryner offering Milky a helping hand was more meaningful to her than to him and that’s why she remembers that event so clearly while Ryner doesn’t.



Poor milk, she went from being the first wheel to the third :XD. (Ferris, Kiefer, Milk)
I wonder if Milk was ever even a wheelhttp://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/huh.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php), I think it was all one-sided. Poor Milk.



I wished we could’ve gotten to see more of Ryner’s past.
I agree.



Ryner managed to find one of those hero items, it was funny how he managed to activate it then opting to run away rather than trying to stop it.
It was funny indeed.:D I was expecting for Feris and Ryner to do something to stop the dragon, but no, their way to “put an end to it” was to turn their backs and leave the place.



I don’t really blame him either, that monster dragon looked pretty dangerous.
While it was very Ryner and Feris-ish for them to do that, it wasn’t very heroic or responsible.



Seems like there is a rebellion under way, and wow did you guys see Sion’s reaction to the news?
Definitely a cut throat type scene.
Good point. Sion’s expression spoke louder than 100 words. Btw, another fan of the series mentioned this about episode 6



Talking about Sion and how he is being blinded by his ambitions, after watching the 720p version did anyone notice that when he was looking outside the window talking about how he would never make a blunder like that, the reflection showed an evil smiling Sion on the glass staring at him back.

I rewatched that scene and yes, he did. Dark Sion has appeared and he is here to stay.

-The scene when Sion visited Fiole’s tombstone was sad, but during the first moments of that scene all that I could think of was your post about their kind of *cough*yaoi*cough* relationship.

-And now Fiole’s sister has decided to serve Sion as well, I hope she doesn’t meet the same fate that her brother did. :(

Charlie
August 14, 2010, 10:16 AM
Maybe I’m wrong but I have the feeling that Ryner does remember Milk but for some reason he is acting like he doesn't…

Ah.............I know the answer to this, but I cant say due to wiki spoiler...............................spoiler........................ darn it. :darn




It was funny indeed.:D I was expecting for Feris and Ryner to do something to stop the dragon, but no, their way to “put an end to it” was to turn their backs and leave the place.

While it was very Ryner and Feris-ish for them to do that, it wasn’t very heroic or responsible.

Yeah just like in episode one I believe :p. I actually like this part about them, I suppose its one of the gags.



Good point. Sion’s expression spoke louder than 100 words. Btw, another fan of the series mentioned this about episode 6

I rewatched that scene and yes, he did. Dark Sion has appeared and he is here to stay.

-The scene when Sion visited Fiole’s tombstone was sad, but during the first moments of that scene all that I could think of was your post about their kind of *cough*yaoi*cough* relationship.

I couldn't see that miror reflection smile in the version I watched, unfortunately. When they showed that part of the scene with Sion and Fiole, I thought..... oh not this yaoi stuff again. :D



-And now Fiole’s sister has decided to serve Sion as well, I hope she doesn'tI meet the same fate that her brother did. :(

Yeah, I hope so as well. Although her willingness to become Sion's underling like her brother, seemed slightly creepy from the tone or vibe of their conversation, at least to me.

destiny4ever
August 14, 2010, 01:06 PM
Ah.............I know the answer to this, but I cant say due to wiki spoiler...............................spoiler........................ darn it. :darn
So it seems my hunch was right. :) yay! :) Ryner does remember Milk.



Yeah just like in episode one I believe :p.
Maybe because it wasn’t that good, but I don’t remember the majority of episode 1. I vaguely remember Ryner and Feris fighting against something but I don’t remember anything else about that part of episode 1.



When they showed that part of the scene with Sion and Fiole, I thought..... oh not this yaoi stuff again. :D
I had a feeling you would notice the yaoiness of that scene as well.:D



Although her willingness to become Sion's underling like her brother, seemed slightly creepy from the tone or vibe of their conversation, at least to me.
You’re right…maybe she has ulterior motives and her desire to serve Sion is just a way to hide her desire to avenge her brother’s death and a path to actually put that desire into action.

Charlie
August 19, 2010, 08:40 PM
Episode 8 raw*

The episode focused mostly on the rebellion with Estabul nation. The princess was being used by her vessels, sadly. She was lead to make war with Roland and Sion takes action quickly. by giving Miran the okay to his dirty work.

Miran vs Claugh (I think) wasn’t really interesting because it didn’t go anywhere, thanks to the princes’s quick thinking.

I was expecting a lot more from this episode, so it was a bit disappointing. Ryner and Feris only had a couple minutes of air time, which was a tad sad. :(

The preview on the other hand, seem to indicate that the next episode is going to be hot, and make up for this one.

On the upside - Hints of romantic relationship between the Princess and Claugh.
For those that care - . (^^;)

destiny4ever
August 20, 2010, 07:46 PM
Episode 8

-So the one behind the Estabul revolt was Mr. Darkness.http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m051.gif (http://www.laymark.com) The fact that Sion was able to see right through Miran’s actions speaks volumes of how intelligent and perceptive Sion is. However, he did nothing against Miran, so in a way Sion is as guilty as Miran of the revolt, a revolt that cost so many lives.

-Noa. She has become an instant fav of mine. She is now my favorite girl in this series. :) She is beautiful, kind, intelligent, brave, she is great! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m208.gif (http://www.laymark.com)The fact that she also desires a world where people could be happy makes me think of how cool a Ryner x Noa pairing would be, since the two of them want the same thing.

-Claugh. *swoons*http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m016.gif (http://www.laymark.com) He is awesome!!:cool: Crimson Fingered Claugh. It was interesting and cool to see him fight, since he doesn’t use a sword to do it. Instead of a sword he uses his right hand, which it is very powerful and can easily defeat Claugh’s opponents. The red star on Claugh’s arm reminded me of the star that appears inside Ryner’s eye, which makes me wonder if Claugh and Ryner’s power come from the same source… Either way, Claugh’s power is special and I wasn’t the only one who noticed that since Noa also noticed something special about his power and that’s why she said:

“That power is…For the sake of the people of Estabul, we cannot lose this man…We musn’t!”

Mmm…maybe Claugh’s power was originally from Estabul? I’m really curious about Claugh and I can’t wait to learn more about him.

-Miran…http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m189.gif (http://www.laymark.com) he is horrible!! Sion is playing with fire by trusting Mr. Darkness. Miran is as evil as he is terrifying; that dragon (the one from the ring) of his is so powerful and lethal.

-I was so glad that Claugh arrived just in time to save Noa from Miran. :)

-Claugh blushing righ after Noa thanked him for helping her to stand up was so adorable.http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m054.gif (http://www.laymark.com) While I would like to see a Noa x Ryner pairing, I’m not opposed to a Noa x Claugh one. I like the red and blue couple. ;)

-Seeing Sion feeling some remorse about the revolt gave me some hope that maybe Sion could return to the light instead of getting closer and closer to the dark side.

-Iris’s drawings were funny. :D

-"A hero relic? They really existed…?" Hearing Sion saying that reminded me of something I wrote in one of my previous posts:


I wonder if Sion did that because he actually had some faith in Ryner’s report/idea of how to achieve peace and exterminate war, or if he sent them on that journey because it was the only way in which he could save Ryner from death penalty…

I think he sent them on that journey because he wanted to protect Ryner but now that Sion knows that the relics do exist he might have started to see Ryner’s idea as an actual way to achieve peace and exterminate war.

- "The information comes from him…" I wonder who is that “him” Miller was referring to…

I liked this episode, there wasn’t a lot of action but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Judging by the preview, it seems the next episode will be a great one so I’m really looking forward to it. :)
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. by giving Miran the okay to his dirty work.
Yes and no at the same time. Sion didn’t stop Miran, but he put Claugh in charge of the attack. Attacking Noa’s castle was all Miran’s doing. But as I said, Sion is as guilty as Miran for that revolt.

saladesu
August 21, 2010, 07:43 PM
I'm a couple of episodes behind but I think this is a great anime so far :D I'm glad my brother managed to convinced me to pick this up despite the off-putting title XD Well really it was the name "Fukuyama Jun" that sealed the deal and he's been great as Ryner ^^

By the way, I found the manga available online on the Shounen Gangan website here (http://www.square-enix.com/jp/magazine/ganganonline/comic/legend/index.html) ^^ Interestingly, it starts immediately with the happenings of episode 3 and the aftermath of Ryner losing control (?) of the Alpha Stigma then going back to when Sion was recruiting Ryner to join his team for war games. The manga will be released every month online, which is pretty cool :tem

destiny4ever
August 23, 2010, 02:24 PM
Welcome to the this thread, saladesu!! :confetti I’m so glad to hear/read you are enjoying this anime. :)

I agree, the name for the series could have been a bit better…mmm…which makes me wonder, what name would you have chosen for this series?

And ITA, Jun has been amazing as Ryner. :luv It was this anime that turned Jun into one of my favorite seiyuu.

Thanks for the info about the manga, it is pretty cool news. :cool:

And going back to the anime, who is your favorite character so far?

Charlie
August 26, 2010, 08:42 PM
Heroes Ep 9 raww

This was the kind of episode I was hoping for last week. So it started with Ryner’s past with him being one of the few survivors after some war or directly after. Then it switches to the present and we get to see a little bit of Iris and her interaction with Ryner was great.

Turns out she misplaced the letter that Sion wrote for Ryner. Most likely the fault lies with Ferris taking the dangos out of the bag, because the letter was stuck on the box. :XD

Shortly thereafter, Ryner and Feris run into those two people, whom they’ve met in an earlier episode. Feris and Ryner notice they have the hero relic that Ryner abandoned.

After a few small talk, a fight ensues.

Sui activates a crystal and it makes Ryner turn in to his Alpha Stigma form.
In AS mode, Ryner makes quick work of Sui and destroyed his hand along with the hero relic that he possessed. Sui got more than what he asked for, and believes that Ryners AS, is no ordinary one.

His sister comes to the rescue and they manage to make an escape. Meanwhile, Ryner on the other hand, just destroys everything in sight.

We get another flash before returning to Ryner in the present. Sadly, the episode ends there. :yelling > :crying

The preview shows Ryner was still going out of control and Ferris was trying to stop him.

Too bad we have to wait for another week to see what happens.

After_Image
August 27, 2010, 07:14 PM
Epidsode 9 was great. We get to see other artifact finders and the way they use the artifacts. The scythe and comb had interesting abilities. Can't wait to see more of them.

The preview for next weeks episode looks really cool as well. Ferris is trying to bring Ryner back but it looks like he's attacking her. I wonder how she's going to save him? :?bunny

Zeltrax
August 28, 2010, 09:46 AM
Easily the best episode out of all the 9 I watched.
Poor ryner, seriously, I can't take it if I have to go through ALL THAT.
Imagine the person that you thought was most important to you calls you a monster, and really, it's not your fault that you have those powers.
Oh, and one of them died. The world he's living in is sick, really, reminds me of WW2, during the japanese occupation but what I'm seeing is prob 10 times much more terrible.
Did that captain just burned a boy? Wow.
Anyway,
I'm guessing Ryner possesses the most powerful Alpha Stigma, or the first or last one, the most perfect one.
Great fight scenes.. was not expecting those two to be bad guys.
I hate how Iris(did I mention how much I HATE her voice?) just lose the letter, Sion must be pissed.
Losing the letter is probably the reason why all this had to happen, but I guess from the next episode we can see from this how much Ryner means to her. I like how they switch between what Ryner and Sion is doing, which contributes to the overall plot.
Loving this anime a lot so far, hopefully it won't disappoint.

Charlie
August 29, 2010, 09:38 PM
The preview for next weeks episode looks really cool as well. Ferris is trying to bring Ryner back but it looks like he's attacking her. I wonder how she's going to save him? :?bunny

Well, she could offer him a dango? I suppose that would not work - lol :p. I love the voice Ryner uses in "AS" mode. Great job in voice acting, totally perfect for the role. :)

About what will happen, I think when she gets close, Ryner will try to hold himself back.
My guess is that she gets close and manages to close his eyes, as he tries to restrict or hold himself back.

Strangely I wanted Ryner to finish off those two guys with the artifacts. I haven't watched the sub yet. Will check it out soon.

Oh and zeltrax225, welcome to the thread mate. Glad to have another fan post here. :thumbs

destiny4ever
August 30, 2010, 06:47 PM
Too bad we have to wait for another week to see what happens.
Not necessarily, we already had a preview of some things that are going to happen in the next episode; at least I think we did. ;) *watches one of the trailers*


Epidsode 9 was great. We get to see other artifact finders and the way they use the artifacts. The scythe and comb had interesting abilities. Can't wait to see more of them.
We’ll get to see more of the scythe, but since Ryner destroyed the comb we won’t get to see more of it. However, we’ll get to see more of that red dragon and the green stone pink-haired boy has.



The preview for next weeks episode looks really cool as well. Ferris is trying to bring Ryner back but it looks like he's attacking her. I wonder how she's going to save him? :?bunny



My guess is that she gets close and manages to close his eyes, as he tries to restrict or hold himself back.
Ferris will also assure Ryner he is not a monster and we’ll get to see the dere dere side of Ferris. http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal-bunny-smiley-6080.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)



Poor ryner, seriously, I can't take it if I have to go through ALL THAT.
Did that captain just burned a boy? Wow.

Welcome to this thread zeltrax225, it’s good to see you here. :)

I felt really bad for Ryner as well.:( He has gone through so much pain since he was just a little boy. And yes, the scene when the captain burned the boy was shocking; however, it did a good job of showing us just how terrible things were and still are in those lands.


Well, she could offer him a dango? I suppose that would not work - lol :p.
LOL http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal-bunny-smiley-6086.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)If it was AS Ferris then offering a dango would be the perfect way to stop her. ;)



I love the voice Ryner uses in "AS" mode. Great job in voice acting, totally perfect for the role. :)
ITA.

saladesu
August 31, 2010, 07:17 AM
I finally caught up with Denyuuden yesterday ^^ It's been a great anime so far and I'm excited to see how it progresses! So much so that I started reading the light novels on the bus XD; Just nearing the end of the first chapter and so far there are some parts that differ from the anime depiction, but not significantly. Enjoying the light novels too :D


Oh, and one of them died. The world he's living in is sick, really, reminds me of WW2, during the japanese occupation but what I'm seeing is prob 10 times much more terrible.

When I saw your mention of the Japanese Occupation I somehow knew you had to be my fellow countryman XD *waves from somewhere not-too-far-away, considering the size of our sunny island*

Back on topic, I don't think the soldiers in Denyuuden were being 10 times more terrible, I'd say it was about the same. The Japanese were really terrible during the war be it in Nanjing or even in Singapore - I wouldn't put it past them to kill a child indiscriminately. In "Letters from Iwo Jima", they did that to a dog just for not being quiet :/ (though yes, a dog is not a human but still!) Really goes to show what kind of times the main characters (namely Ryner and Sion as we haven't really seen any Ferris backstory) had to live through, and how their values and ideals are shaped as a result of them.

That said, I really wonder what path Sion will eventually follow. He is clearly wavering between good and evil, letting Miran do what he likes and "shouldering his darkness", yet trying to prevent as much bloodshed as possible by using Claugh.

And I couldn't help but yell "LELOUCH!" out loud when Ryner was in Alpha Stigma mode XD FukuJun usually uses a different voice when he normally voices Ryner but it was totally Lelouch's voice when he went berserk :D It was just perfect!

Friday just couldn't come sooner! :amuse

Charlie
August 31, 2010, 10:07 AM
And I couldn't help but yell "LELOUCH!" out loud when Ryner was in Alpha Stigma mode XD FukuJun usually uses a different voice when he normally voices Ryner but it was totally Lelouch's voice when he went berserk :D It was just perfect!

Friday ( Thursdays- raw ) just couldn't come sooner! :amuse


I totally agree with that Sarudesu (OP reference) :p. Yeah the raws come out Thursdays. I found a place where they had the first volume (novel )uploaded online. Anyone who wants the link to it, PM me.

It is in Japanese and untranslated. :darn :darn :darn

So if you cant read, don't bother. :tem

saladesu
August 31, 2010, 10:39 AM
Hurhur, I wish I had blue gorillas under my control too. Though I guess Iva's taken care of all of them and maybe Sarudesu himself too already XD;

Pity I have a pact with my brother to watch with him so I can't watch the raw (or I'd have to speed translate for him on the spot haha) -__-; Gotta wait till Fri/Sat when Derp releases the subs lol.

I found a place with all 11 volumes uploaded, too :) Seems the other volumes from The Legend of the Great Heroes of Legend, TLOTLH Anyway and Legend of the Fallen Black Hero are more all over the place though :/ Oh but the art in the light novels is pretty uninspiring, unlike say Ito Noizi's for the Shana or Haruhi light novels. So if anyone's thinking of downloading just to see the art, don't bother either ._.

Zeltrax
September 01, 2010, 08:58 AM
Hurhur, I wish I had blue gorillas under my control too. Though I guess Iva's taken care of all of them and maybe Sarudesu himself too already XD;

Pity I have a pact with my brother to watch with him so I can't watch the raw (or I'd have to speed translate for him on the spot haha) -__-; Gotta wait till Fri/Sat when Derp releases the subs lol.

I found a place with all 11 volumes uploaded, too :) Seems the other volumes from The Legend of the Great Heroes of Legend, TLOTLH Anyway and Legend of the Fallen Black Hero are more all over the place though :/ Oh but the art in the light novels is pretty uninspiring, unlike say Ito Noizi's for the Shana or Haruhi light novels. So if anyone's thinking of downloading just to see the art, don't bother either ._.
Hey there, fellow singaporean (:
I guess you're right, it's not 10 times worse, and about the same level,
and having a gun during WW2 is like learning how to use fire in the show.
Sorry for stating the obvious and wow, you know japanese, as in, fully learned japanese? The fact that you can read the light novels means that you can read the letters too, sigh..I have to rely on subs :l, but I'm still young so there's still hope! oh right, like you, I have a sister who watch with me too.
Ok..getting a little off topic..

I don't really wish for Sion to become a bad guy, or something similar, I really hope he, Ryner and Ferris and save the country together. I have a question though..the Hero relics, they are weapons that heroes once used, correct me if I'm wrong but perhaps the Alpha Stigma is related to all of them, maybe the voice in Ryner used to be a hero himself. Another thing to take note of, notice that the Dragon did not kill anyone but the one who did was those two. Which means that those monsters meant nobody any harm maybe the souls of the "heroes" are inside.
and btw,

Has the light novels ended or is it still publishing?

saladesu
September 02, 2010, 12:33 AM
Sorry for stating the obvious and wow, you know japanese, as in, fully learned japanese? The fact that you can read the light novels means that you can read the letters too, sigh..I have to rely on subs :l, but I'm still young so there's still hope!

I didn't formally learn Japanese, just picked it up by checking the dictionary/looking for repeated words in subs regularly when watching/reading anime, manga, drama, and whathaveyou ^^ I have to cut down on that now, though, since it's 'A' level year for me now ;.; It's never too late for you to learn, though 8D


I don't really wish for Sion to become a bad guy, or something similar, I really hope he, Ryner and Ferris and save the country together. I have a question though..the Hero relics, they are weapons that heroes once used, correct me if I'm wrong but perhaps the Alpha Stigma is related to all of them, maybe the voice in Ryner used to be a hero himself. Another thing to take note of, notice that the Dragon did not kill anyone but the one who did was those two. Which means that those monsters meant nobody any harm maybe the souls of the "heroes" are inside.

I'm pretty sure too that the Alpha Stigma has some link to the hero relics, we just don't know what, yet :D maybe some kind of ability to amplify the already hax power on the hero relics? XD The dragon, however, harmed no one since like the pink haired guy said, the ground has no will and thus didn't "want" to burn anyone per se. The souls of the heroes being inside is an interesting theory (kinda sounds like the zanpakutou in Bleach) but if so, I would think the dragon that got released would, on the contrary, have some sort of will of its own...? Perhaps if it were a rogue (or disatisfied hero after being kept in that dagger for so long!) it would actually have been harmful.


Has the light novels ended or is it still publishing?

The main series "The Legend of the Legendary Heroes" is over, as are the two spinoffs "TLOTLH Anyway" and "The Legend of the Black Fallen Hero" but now the sequel "The Legend of the Great Heroes of Legend" is still running ^^

Charlie
September 02, 2010, 05:00 PM
Episode 10 raw.

Starts off where the previous episode ended. Turns out that the AS mode Ryner is indeed another personality, which differs from Ryner. Ferris asks him who he is, and to which he replies you can call him whatever you like.... god, monster, hero, etc. Either way whoever gets in his way will disappear.

In the end, Ferris manages to get to communicate with Ryner. He fights back back and forth for control with his AS mode self, which gives Ferris enough time to get close enough and shut Ryners eyes. With that, he is back to normal.

The confrontation between the two of them (or three, i suppose :XD) was very nice and emotional. I didn't expect Ferris to shed a tear. :s

The events raised a question about our main character, which is... what or who exactly is Ryner when he is in AS mode? It seems like Ferris thought in the episode that Sui guy was not far off from his judgment.

Scene changes to Roland and Sion is reading Ryners report. Miran comes in with a report about another Country or so I believe. There was also a scene with Claugh and Noa about a previous engagement (-- dateo-- ^^). It was nice to see their interaction.

Miran is back to doing more dirty work for the king, sniffing out loose ends and then we see Claugh and Noa together on their date.

Claugh has to leave somewhere afterward and Noa returns to her quarters. When she arrives she seems some people on the floor and then gets kidnapped. The kidnappers force her to take her clothes off.

This might have been censored from the novel. I wonder if anything more happened there (novel?).... which wasn't able to be shown on the anime.

Anyway... Claugh sense's something is off and goes nacl to Noa's quarters. There he see the kidnappers and confronts them. He gets attacked but manages to save Noa.

We get another scene change and we're back to Ryner and Ferris again. :)
They go through their usual comedy bit. Then the pair see a young girl being chased by a coupe people. Ryner and Ferris saves the girl.

She in-turn ask them for help. Apparently her friend (haru?) is an alpha stigma barer and needs help. After hearing the girls story, Ryner and Ferris decide to help her. They ask the girl where her firend is and she points to the village. Ryner and Ferris heads of to the village.

There was also a scene inbetween of Sion getting a report from Miran about the incident with Noa and he wonders if Miran had a hand in the events, I believe. To which, he denies (i think~). :shifty

The preview shows Ryner and Ferris in the girls village. There they confront the locals inorder to help the boy. Seems like we get to see Milk and he party again as well. ^_^

saladesu
September 04, 2010, 10:00 AM
Just watched episode 10!


The confrontation between the two of them (or three, i suppose ) was very nice and emotional. I didn't expect Ferris to shed a tear.

Me neither, but it was nice to know she has feelings although she's always described as having none :D I liked how she kept telling Ryner that he was not a monster. And the last part when she was comforting him, well, it looks like there's really going to be a RynerxFerris canon pairing? :'D

Speaking of pairings, Claugh and Noa are so cute together ^^ And they must have some telepathy or something for Claugh to hear Noa's voice in his head (or whatever) and go to her rescue XD What struck me as odd, however, was that he got out of his carriage, looked at her castle, realised something was amiss... And decided to run back to the castle. Obviously the carriage would have been faster, no?? @___@

And although Froaude denies it, I still highly suspect that he was behind this incident -___- He's just too suspicious.

Apparently the next episode onwards is where the plot gets even thicker and better, so I'm really looking forward to it! Especially this kid who seems to be an alpha stigma holder just like Ryner. Interestingly, just like Ryner, he too activated his power upon seeing someone dear to him held captive/about to be killed by soldiers.

But according to some spoilers, he's not an Alpha Stigma bearer. Apparently there are 5 kinds of eye powers and Alpha Stigma is just one of them. This kid has one of the other 4.

I blame my brother for reading it on wiki and then blurting it out when I said the kid definitely was an alpha stigma holder -____-

destiny4ever
September 04, 2010, 07:07 PM
From the Novel:

Regarding Ryner and Feris’ scene:

Thanks to larethian for the info!


for the Ferris & Ryner scene at the start:
The anime used the same lines for Ferris, but not exactly the same actions.
Ferris: "Can you hear me Ryner!"
Ryner reacted in response blah blah blah
Ryner: "You bastard..."
In the anime, the berserk Ryner still took aim at Ferris, and Ferris suddenly rushed forward to grab his hand. This is service scene from anime. In novel, it straight went to:
Ryner: "Damn, shut up, your turn to debut is over. My bad, Ferris, can you shut my eyes for me?" [All literally translated]
Ferris smiled faintly and shut his eyes.
Here in the novel, after that, Ryner fell prostrate to the ground, all energy drained, silent. In the anime, service scene of Ferris hugging Ryner's head. This did not happen in the novel.
They both kept quiet for a while. The sun is setting.
Ryner: same lines used regarding he trying to kill Ferris and asking Ferris to return to Roland. But in the novel, he did this lying on the ground.
In the novel there was no reply, Ryner:"hm, not there anymore?", he lifted his head up and as he did so, someone from the back trampled on his head, and he went back to full prostrate position LOL.
A lot more dialog between Ferris and Ryner, nice dialog but not really that critical. And that's it for that scene.

And of course for the novel, he didn't lose his clothes LOL!

There were also some minor differences before meeting Kuku in Runa, but not that major.



Thanks to stuopidget for the info!

Regarding Noa and Claugh’s scene…

When the assassins came, they are only there to humiliate her with the intention of sexually assaulting her, but Claugh's psychic power changed that. As soon as they realize he's coming back, they had to begin setting up traps to fight him. The traps worked and injured his arm in the process.

Noa realized that these guys' intentions were to kill and humiliate her as a warning to anger the people in her nation to instigate another war. Difference is the assassin asked her to strip, and she agreed so that she can suicide so she won't die by their hands, but the assassin realized this and stopped her, hence commending the forceful strip, they also tied her limbs up and gagged her.

After Claugh saved her, the first thing she asked was about his injured arm, disregarding her own state. Upon Claugh's questioning her tears, then she remembered her situation and clarified that she was not assaulted then broke down in tears. She recovered really fast after that. In the novel, Noa's tears are precious since she will put on her leader face until the very end, hence the scene where Claugh holding her in his arms is a pretty good treat.

Claugh apologized for being late, but she said she wasn't afraid because being a princess she already had these type of experiences. She could joke soon after as Claugh was smiling at her, and she said it is not nice to laugh at a lady. Claugh commented that she is amazing that she could still lie that she wasn't afraid.

Noa responded that she maybe is putting on a front and somehow knew that he would come back for her, but was even more surprised that he actually came back. She said she really wouldn't be afraid next time (now that Claugh would be there for her). Claugh said it would be annoying if he has to save her again. Noa said that helping damsels in stress is Claugh's job, and asked if he is unsatisfied that she is the one that he is rescuing. Claugh muttered a "no" as well as "it wasn't any trouble" ... also that next time he would get there even faster, which brought a genuine smile to Noa's face.


Destiny: After reading Noa and Claugh’s scene in the novel I love this pairing even more than before!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/love-012.gif
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There was also a scene with Claugh and Noa about a previous engagement (-- dateo-- ^^). It was nice to see their interaction.
we see Claugh and Noa together on their date.
I really like their interactions, Noa x Claugh is rapidly turning into my favorite pairing of this series. :) And I love how Claugh blushes when the guys tease him about his relationship with Noa. Claugh looks so adorable when he blushes.http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m054.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



Anyway... Claugh sense's something is off and goes nacl to Noa's quarters. There he see the kidnappers and confronts them. He gets attacked but manages to save Noa.
I was so glad and relieved Claugh arrived on time to save Noa, those nobles that attacked her http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m189.gif (http://www.laymark.com)were despicable.


Just watched episode 10!
I liked how she kept telling Ryner that he was not a monster.
I liked that part as well. What Ryner is most afraid of and what it hurts him the most is for people to only see him as a monster, so Feris’ words meant a huge deal to Ryner.



Speaking of pairings, Claugh and Noa are so cute together ^^
ITA. ^_^



What struck me as odd, however, was that he got out of his carriage, looked at her castle, realised something was amiss... And decided to run back to the castle. Obviously the carriage would have been faster, no?? @___@
Good point, saladesu. Mmm…maybe he was so worried about Noa that he didn’t think clearly and therefore he didn’t notice that obvious fact…

thornofcarrion
September 05, 2010, 12:09 PM
The recent episode is one of the best so far, perhaps because of the emotional content. The relationship between Ryner and Feris is really entertaining. Its time that they should get their hands on a relic.

Charlie
September 09, 2010, 09:48 PM
Ep 11 raw

The episode started out with Ryner and Ferris checking up on Arua. Which was where the last episode left off.

Turns out that the people after the kid wanted him to awaken. So they Killed his mom and tried to trigger the awakening. When that did not work, they went to work on the next target, his dad. :(

Ryner, unable to watch anymore moves into action. Being emotional about the situation, his game seemed to be a little off. In-fact, to me, he appeared slightly weak here. Ryner and Ferris work together and the situation turns in their favor.

Unfortunately, the head or leader mage manages to kill the dad and that was enough for the kid to awaken his AS mode.

I have to say, I looooooooooooooooooooooooooved this part. Chibi AS mode, the music, the crazy voice, it was all epic. I wished there was more of this part :yelling.

Anyway, Ryner seeing it all, just calmly walks over to the kid and knocks him out. Telling the kid to take a long nap.
As they’re escaping, a lone mage, flaps at Rnyer about taking their research subject and receiving punishment from god or something like that. Ryner re-butts him about all the things they had done and wants to take him out in anger but Ferris stops him because they have to escape before the enemy reinforcements arrive.

So Ryner and Ferris retreat, while en-route Ryner questions why this is all happening. The following scene, after landing in a secure location, was very emotional. Ryner is wiping the blood of the kids face and questions, if god exists, why are people like him in this world. He/they, didn't choose to be born with the AS eyes or to become monsters. Ryner says that he isn’t there for gods amusement. He wanted god to answer his questions.

Tearing up, it was a great scene. That was my favorite part of the episode, the voice acting was beyond phenomenal in my opinion, on those scenes. Note, so yeah, I don't really understand Japanese so some of the interpreted dialogue may-not be accurate. :cookiehand

The preview for the next episode showed something or someone rather interesting. Another person wielding what appears to be a hero relic. Seems like a similar design to the one Miran is wearing. (ring finger)

I left the part outs but they're weren't really important. I mean... who cares for Sion and Milk? :kukuku

destiny4ever
September 11, 2010, 03:04 PM
Turns out that the people after the kid wanted him to awaken. So they Killed his mom and tried to trigger the awakening. When that did not work, they went to work on the next target, his dad. :(
That scene was so painfully hard to watch. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m033.gif (http://www.laymark.com)I felt so bad for the poor kid, those knights/nobles were http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m189.gif (http://www.laymark.com)despicable!!! They are the demons; they claim they do those horrible things in the name of their god, but that is just a horrid excuse to justify their actions.



Ryner, unable to watch anymore moves into action. Being emotional about the situation, his game seemed to be a little off. In-fact, to me, he appeared slightly weak here.
I agree he wasn't doing his best fighting, but it is understandable. In order to think and act properly, especially during a fight, you have to remain calm (just ask Nekomiya and Ryoushi from Ookami-san ;)). Ryner was so filled with emotion, mainly rage, plus he was afraid of becoming AS (considering what happened in episode 9) so it’s only natural for his game to be a little off.



Unfortunately, the head or leader mage manages to kill the dad and that was enough for the kid to awaken his AS mode.
That part was the saddest for me. When I heard the dad say: “Arua! I’ll save you now!” and then he began to crawl forward towards his son, I just knew those words were his death sentence, I just knew he would be killed. :(



The following scene, after landing in a secure location, was very emotional. Ryner is wiping the blood of the kids face and questions, if god exists, why are people like him in this world. He/they, didn't choose to be born with the AS eyes or to become monsters. Ryner says that he isn’t there for gods amusement. He wanted god to answer his questions.
That scene was so powerfully touching. The best scene in this episode, IMHO.



I left the part outs but they're weren't really important. I mean... who cares for Sion and Milk?
Milk’s part was interesting too, at least for me it was. We learned that Milk is part of the nobility, she was adopted into the House of Callaud but they were horrible to her. She had a difficult childhood in the orphanage and then her life in the House of Callaud was even harder, so it wasn’t until she met her friends and subordinates that she experienced real happiness and that is why she is so grateful for it and for her friends. This episode made Milk wins more points with me, and she was also so cute in this ep. :)

Now regarding Sion…I can no longer trust what he says, Froaude has influenced Sion so much, to the point in which the kind, pure and honest Sion is slowly dying away with each episode while Dark Sion is taking over...or maybe Sion always had a dark side inside of him, it’s only that it needed the “perfect” person to awaken it…
[hr]
Thanks to larethian for the info and the links!

Character page updated!

http://www.denyuden.jp/character/index.html
funny thing in that they put Refal in first before Ril.


Character poll so far (ends on 30-sep):
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/index.html

Links for Walls To-Date (officially made by denyuden production commitee):
Ferris (available through official website):
http://www.denyuden.jp/special/img/wall01_1024.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/special/img/wall01_1280.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/special/img/wall01_1680.jpg

Rest are available only through polling and changes from time to time
Ryner:
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_01_1024.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_01_1280.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_01_1680.jpg

Sion:
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_02_1024.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_02_1280.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_02_1680.jpg

Sion & Ryner (2 years ago):
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_03_1024.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_03_1280.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_03_1680.jpg

Froaude:
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_04_1024.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_04_1280.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_04_1680.jpg

Charlie
September 11, 2010, 03:28 PM
That part was the saddest for me. When I heard the dad say: “Arua! I’ll save you now!” and then he began to crawl forward towards his son, I just knew those words were his death sentence, I just knew he would be killed. :(


You know, that should have set the warning bells in me, but they didn't :(. I was hoping that he would manage to live. I liked how the father was supporting his son. So sad.



That scene was so powerfully touching. The best scene in this episode, IMHO.

Yep, I thought the acting here was superb.



Milk’s part was interesting too, at least for me it was. We learned that Milk is part of the nobility, she was adopted into the House of Callaud but they were horrible to her. She had a difficult childhood in the orphanage and then her life in the House of Callaud was even harder, so it wasn’t until she met her friends and subordinates that she experienced real happiness and that is why she is so grateful for it and for her friends. This episode made Milk wins more points with me, and she was also so cute in this ep. :)


True, she was cute and we did findout a little about her past. I like her character, the only thing I didnt like was that it took time away from Ryner. :)



Now regarding Sion…I can no longer trust what he says, Froaude has influenced Sion so much, to the point in which the kind, pure and honest Sion is slowly dying away with each episode while Dark Sion is taking over...or maybe Sion always had a dark side inside of him, it’s only that it needed the “perfect” person to awaken it…

Umm.... did you just say boys love or yuri? :amuse



Thanks to larethian for the info and the links!

Character page updated!

http://www.denyuden.jp/character/index.html
funny thing in that they put Refal in first before Ril.


Character poll so far (ends on 30-sep):
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/index.html

Links for Walls To-Date (officially made by denyuden production commitee):
Ferris (available through official website):
http://www.denyuden.jp/special/img/wall01_1024.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/special/img/wall01_1280.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/special/img/wall01_1680.jpg

Rest are available only through polling and changes from time to time
Ryner:
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_01_1024.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_01_1280.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_01_1680.jpg

Sion:
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_02_1024.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_02_1280.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_02_1680.jpg

Sion & Ryner (2 years ago):
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_03_1024.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_03_1280.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_03_1680.jpg

Froaude:
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_04_1024.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_04_1280.jpg
http://www.denyuden.jp/vote/img/spw_04_1680.jpg

Woah - thanks Des. I saw the Ferris one the other day or so, when I checked out the site. Did not see other characters.

Hmmm..... I don't know if I should post this since its a character spoiler. Ryners dad pic from the novel. I upped it to my Imageshck. Not huge per-se but cool none the less.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4736/color004.th.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/i/color004.jpg/)

destiny4ever
September 11, 2010, 06:50 PM
You know, that should have set the warning bells in me, but they didn't. :( I was hoping that he would manage to live.
You know, if this would have been another series and not TLOTH I would have been a bit more hopeful about the dad surviving and not dying, but since this is TLOTH I just knew they wouldn’t waste such a perfect opportunity to make a powerful dramatic scene and to use it as the reason why chibi AS awakes.


I liked how the father was supporting his son. So sad.
It is because he was supporting him until the very end that it made that scene all the more sorrowful. http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-not-tagged-smiley-5678.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

Yep, I thought the acting here was superb.
Both the acting and the animation were superb.


True, she was cute and we did findout a little about her past. I like her character, the only thing I didnt like was that it took time away from Ryner. :)
Mmm…could Charlie be a Ryner fan boy? http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-not-tagged-smiley-5795.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)


Umm.... did you just say boys love or yuri? :amuse
Neither. :D The thought of Sioude (Sion + Froaude) didn’t even cross my mind until you mentioned it. You know...mmm... after reading your comments about some possible BL in this series now I wonder if I'll be able to see a bromance scene and not think BL, I’m even starting to see BL in other series. :XD




Woah - thanks Des. I saw the Ferris one the other day or so, when I checked out the site. Did not see other characters.
You’re very welcome. ^_^



Hmmm..... I don't know if I should post this since its a character spoiler. Ryners dad pic from the novel. I upped it to my Imageshck. Not huge per-se but cool none the less.
I didn’t know Ryner had a dad, I thought he was an orphan just like Milk. http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal-bunny-smiley-6082.gif (http://planetsmilies.net) And now I’m debating on whether open the spoiler box or no…*be strong Destiny* *be strong and don’t succumb to temptation*

Btw, one more LN detail not mentioned in the anime:

Thanks to larethian for the info!


notice Ryner didn't use Roland magic against those Runa guys? Because, Runa and Roland are officially allies, and they don't want to 'spoil' the alliance through their act of hostility, hence Ryner doesn't want to risk his magic being IDed as Rolandian. That was the reason given in the novel.

There is a plot hole here actually. Both Ryner and Ferris are actually wearing armor with Roland's emblem Ryner wears a cuirass and spaulder for the magic knights of Roland, and it's weaved with a robe with the Roland emblem. It's so clear in the anime. Ferris is wearing a half suit of plate from the Eris house, and its emblem is also obvious on the breastplate. Why would they need to use magic to ID their country when they are strutting with the emblems clear as sky? :amuse

Charlie
September 11, 2010, 07:34 PM
Mmm…could Charlie be a Ryner fan boy? http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-not-tagged-smiley-5795.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)
Guilty as charged~. :D
I just want more time with the main characters because the 30 minute time-frame goes to quickly.



Neither. :D The thought of Sioude (Sion + Froaude) didn’t even cross my mind until you mentioned it. You know...mmm... after reading your comments about some possible BL in this series now I wonder if I'll be able to see a bromance scene and not think BL, I’m even starting to see BL in other series. :XD


Seems I corrupted your in some ways. :darn




I didn’t know Ryner had a dad, I thought he was an orphan just like Milk. http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal-bunny-smiley-6082.gif (http://planetsmilies.net) And now I’m debating on whether open the spoiler box or no…*be strong Destiny* *be strong and don’t succumb to temptation*

Crap :chair Well, he is an Orphan like Milk, but it will be explained later.
My bad, gave an unintended spoiler. :darn

There is nothing special in the pic of Ryners dad. Just think of it as an early character preview. :D



Btw, one more LN detail not mentioned in the anime:

Thanks to larethian for the info!


notice Ryner didn't use Roland magic against those Runa guys? Because, Runa and Roland are officially allies, and they don't want to 'spoil' the alliance through their act of hostility, hence Ryner doesn't want to risk his magic being IDed as Rolandian. That was the reason given in the novel.

There is a plot hole here actually. Both Ryner and Ferris are actually wearing armor with Roland's emblem Ryner wears a cuirass and spaulder for the magic knights of Roland, and it's weaved with a robe with the Roland emblem. It's so clear in the anime. Ferris is wearing a half suit of plate from the Eris house, and its emblem is also obvious on the breastplate. Why would they need to use magic to ID their country when they are strutting with the emblems clear as sky? :amuse

Plot hole? PLOT HOLE? :rant

^Actually that is funny. I will explain away that plot hole by saying the following...

It's obvious those guys from the Runa Empire or other empires for that matter, cant read Roland writing :om. Plot hole closed. :rofl

destiny4ever
September 11, 2010, 09:16 PM
Guilty as charged~. :D
I’m a Ryner fangirl, so I guess I’m guilty as well. http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-not-tagged-smiley-4800.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)



I just want more time with the main characters because the 30 minute time-frame goes to quickly.
Interesting. Mmm...you know…I don’t know why but not seeing a lot of Ryner and Feris in an episode doesn’t bother me a lot. Maybe it's because I get to see other characters I like, for instance Noa and of course Claugh. ;)




Seems I corrupted your in some ways. :darn
No, you haven’t. If anything, you have helped me notice things that I bet a lot of other fans notice as well. ^_^



Crap :chair Well, he is an Orphan like Milk, but it will be explained later.
My bad, gave an unintended spoiler. :darn
NP. :)



There is nothing special in the pic of Ryners dad. Just think of it as an early character preview. :D
I haven’t checked the pic yet because I have the feeling that when he is introduced into the story we won’t know that person is Ryner’s dad right away, so I want to be surprised. ;)



Plot hole? PLOT HOLE? :rant

^Actually that is funny. I will explain away that plot hole by saying the following...

It's obvious those guys from the Runa Empire or other empires for that matter, cant read Roland writing :om. Plot hole closed. :rofl
Plot hole closed indeed. :XD Awesome and priceless explanation Charlie!:thumbs

saladesu
September 12, 2010, 08:24 AM
Haha, nice way to close that plot hole XD

This was a nice episode indeed! The ending scene was very powerful and made me really feel for Ryner. I am sure seeing what those horrid mages were doing to and saying about the Arua (and indirectly, about him) will make him want to protect Arua even more.

Since Milk is a noble, and Froaude is going to exterminate the nobles, I wonder what will happen to Milk. She will probably lose her adoptive parents, but over and beyond that I wonder if she will become Froaude's target? And if so, will Ryner step in somehow? And maybe Ryner will be Sion's ~special one~ to give him that wake-up call to fight off Dark!Sion? :amuse I noticed Sion hasn't been thinking about Fiole; looks like that BL has subsided? XD

And wow, Ryner has a dad o_o! Is he still alive...? And if so, where is he!? (okay wait, scratch that~ let the story do the telling XD)

destiny4ever
September 13, 2010, 07:54 PM
I am sure seeing what those horrid mages were doing to and saying about the Arua (and indirectly, about him) will make him want to protect Arua even more.
You are completely right, salad. From now on Ryner will protect Arua like a lion protecting his cub. Which reminds me of something I thought while watching the episode, maybe it’s just me but seeing Ryner, Feris and Arua together kind of makes me see them as a family (mom, dad and their child). Mmm…I wonder if Arua will bring Feris’ maternal instincts to the surface.



Since Milk is a noble, and Froaude is going to exterminate the nobles, I wonder what will happen to Milk. She will probably lose her adoptive parents, but over and beyond that I wonder if she will become Froaude's target? And if so, will Ryner step in somehow? And maybe Ryner will be Sion's ~special one~ to give him that wake-up call to fight off Dark!Sion?
Interesting points…mmm…but I’m actually expecting for Sion and Ryner to become enemies as the series progresses, so I have zero hope of Ryner being the one that will make Sion return to the good side and leave the dark side. :(

Charlie
September 16, 2010, 05:40 PM
Episode 12 raw

Ferris and Ryner are still on the run. Ryner is waiting for Ferris to comeback, she went to fetch a carriage for them to travel in. Arua has not woken up yet and Ferris finds a carriage, that just so happaned to be laying somewhere. To which Ryner replies, that it was stolen most likely from a noble. :p

She says it doesn’t matter anyway and to get Arua on the carriage, Because she thinks that Ryners pervertedness will come out soon ( pervy Ryner attacking boys too ^^ ).

Ryner puts Arua in the carriage and then Ferris runs off without him, telling the horse Silver, to run away from the troublesome perv. lol

She also says that if he does not want to fall behind, then he should run. :p

Miran is doing the kings dirty work again it seems. This time he is visiting his father. Miran manages to gather up all the nobles that were against Sion and then take them out in one fall swoop. While doing so, we run into a mysterious person named Ril.

A confrontation ensues and both fighters begin using their own hero relics.

Ril uses a ring finger like Miran but his power seems to be based on lightning. Seems to be a standoff, but Miran says he has the advantage. He reasons that Ril, besides using the hero relic’s power, can't use his country's magic, because were he to do so, he would reveal what country he was from.

Ril says he has another tick up his sleeves and takes out what appears to be something similar to the crystallized Alpha Stigma eyes that Sui used against Ryner a couple episodes ago. This time it is not a green circular type crystal, rather, it is a white-ish clear looking rectangle shaded crystal.

Ril leaves and Miran is in trouble, his hero relic seems ineffective against Ril’s last attack.
However as things were looking grim, Claugh comes to his rescue on Sions order and they manage to escape.

Ryner and Ferris are still escaping from the Runa empire and their mage’s are in hot pursuit, but Ryner manages to defeat them. Also seems Sui and Kuu are after Arua for his AS eyes most likely to crystallize them.

The episode ends with shot of Keifer, the girl who had the crush on Ryner during the first ep.

Seems like the preview for the next episode shows, a possible reunion and some type of battle.

Things that I like about this episode that I did not mention.

In the last part of ep, Ferris is poking Ryner with her sword and seems to enjoying it masochistically.
There was a line in the beginning part where Ferris asks Ryner to bear responsibility as a father for saving Arua. Which was funny, assuming I understood that part correctly. :p

Then Ryner says something like rather than talking about that, she should be doing something to help the situation because they’re being chased by Runa mages. To which, Ferris proudly displays her dazzling stolen carriage.

Oh and totally Yuri scene between Miran and his dad~. I don't know if Ril's name was mentioned yet in the anime, but that is what his name is judging from wiki spoilers. :p

raptor02_2001
September 21, 2010, 01:19 AM
i must be avoid this thread since lot of spoiler in there ( i admit i just peek some of the post .) .... i want to know this anime will run at 13 esp or standard 24 esp since i watch it at 10-12 ... it is pretty good of action but why so much blood in shadow ..

i wonder it is soon end ?

Charlie
September 21, 2010, 01:31 AM
i must be avoid this thread since lot of spoiler in there ( i admit i just peek some of the post .) .... i want to know this anime will run at 13 esp or standard 24 esp since i watch it at 10-12 ... it is pretty good of action but why so much blood in shadow ..

i wonder it is soon end ?

Its a 26 ep listed I believe. There are no spoilers in here.

My mistake was posting a pic about someone who has not appeared yet in the series by mistake. Several episodes ago, it was posted in the spoiler tag. No real spoilers about the show besides that, one minor slip.

The other was mentioning the name of the character who showed up in the current episode (Ep 12). I watched the raw and not the subs. His name was not mentioned in the raw as I recall. It is not really a spoiler per-se. It is not important at all.

saladesu
September 21, 2010, 01:34 AM
i must be avoid this thread since lot of spoiler in there ( i admit i just peek some of the post .) .... i want to know this anime will run at 13 esp or standard 24 esp since i watch it at 10-12 ... it is pretty good of action but why so much blood in shadow ..

i wonder it is soon end ?

It's been slated for 26 episodes :)

New themes from next episode (14 I think) onwards~

第2クール OPテーマ
「Last Inferno」
作詞:Ceui
作曲:小高光太郎 Ceui
編曲:小高光太郎
歌:Ceui
(ランティス)
発売日:10月27日(水)

第2クール EDテーマ
「光のフィルメント」
作詞:riya
作曲/編曲:菊地 創
(Produced by eufonius)
歌:高垣彩陽
(ミュージックレイン)
発売日:11月17日(水)

OP: "Last Inferno" by Ceui (the singer of the current ED)
ED: "Hikari no Firamento/Filament of Light" by Takagaki Ayahi

Most interesting thing has to be the new ED, since it's going to be sung by Ferris' seiyuu :O Never heard her sing before but apparently she has done other themes/insert songs for other animes that she has been a seiyuu for.

raptor02_2001
September 22, 2010, 01:11 AM
Its a 26 ep listed I believe. There are no spoilers in here.

My mistake was posting a pic about someone who has not appeared yet in the series by mistake. Several episodes ago, it was posted in the spoiler tag. No real spoilers about the show besides that, one minor slip.

The other was mentioning the name of the character who showed up in the current episode (Ep 12). I watched the raw and not the subs. His name was not mentioned in the raw as I recall. It is not really a spoiler per-se. It is not important at all.
Don't worry about spoiler ... i like to peek of spoiler ... keep comment on post since i love to read other post 's opinion on based in this series.... extra info is interesting ...



It's been slated for 26 episodes :)

New themes from next episode (14 I think) onwards~


OP: "Last Inferno" by Ceui (the singer of the current ED)
ED: "Hikari no Firamento/Filament of Light" by Takagaki Ayahi

Most interesting thing has to be the new ED, since it's going to be sung by Ferris' seiyuu :O Never heard her sing before but apparently she has done other themes/insert songs for other animes that she has been a seiyuu for.


Thank you for let me know about it since i was worry about 13 esp will not completed since so many plots are begin...to unravel.......

one question about this series ... They already clean noble ?
not support to King or send to message to Other Noble (alive) will support to King (they was against to king's order)

i am on the esp 12 ... that is right ? lastest esp subbed is Esp 12??

Charlie
October 01, 2010, 05:35 PM
Episode 12 is the latest one so far.

It seems the house cleaning has been done, dealing with Rolands nobles. I dont know if all the nobles were killed. I assume a great number of them who were opposing the Sion was taken out.

Episode 13 Raw.

Right off the bat (well almost), we get a new opening and ending. The new opening was really good in my opinion. Liked it much more than the pervious version. Same for the ending.

It was nice seeing Kiefer again, too bad there was no reunion. The pink haired siblings, Sui and Kuu, confront Ryner and Ferris. They want Arua and know that Ryner has them.

Sui goes on about being interested in Ryner. He wants to who Ryner really is, besides being an Alpha Stigma barer, he regained his sanity after going berserk.

They start to fight, but it is somewhat interrupted. While Ferris is fighting off the interrupters, Ryner goes off to check up on Arua.

Kiefer also seems to have met the king of Gustark. Who wields some kind long magical sword weapon. Miran is on his way finding out info about the threats to Roland, and thinks that Gustark cant be left alone.

Pretty nice episode, the new opening seems to indicate war with the Gastark country. Keifer seems so much more grown up. I’m sorry Ferris but you have lost, in the eyes of this fan :sweatdrop.

It was also nice to see some Ryner x Kiefer moments in the flashback.

Preview for the next episode shows the fight between Ryner, Ferris and the siblings.

Heroes episode 14

After waking up, Arua, is scared and accuses Ryner of killing his parents. Ryner shows him his Alpha Stigma and calms him down by talking to him. Ferris comes back and “rescues” Arua from Ryner. She tells Arua not to be fooled by Ryner, because he some one who sleeps all day, drinks and attacks women. :XD

At night Ryners group goes to the house were Kuku is being held hostage. There, Ryner and Sui have a dialogue / exchange rhetoric about, creating a peaceful country, the need to kill people, etc. In the end they're not able to come to a compromise, so they fight.

The battle was pretty even with the fight favoring Ryner and Ferris. Realizing that, Sui tells his sister to bring Kuku and they plan to kill her. This way, Arua will awaken his Alpha Stigma and then they can take it from him.

Ryner tries to stop them but its too late. Suddenly, just in the nick of time, Miran shows up and attacks Sui with his hero relic and Ferris uses the diversion to take back Kuku. Miran then proceeds to kill Sui but Ryner stops him. Sui asks Ryner why he saved him and Ryner responds that, he should return the favor sometime. With that, the siblings make their retreat.

Miran now knows that Ryner and Ferris are from Roland, as he was listening in onto what Ryner was saying earlier. Miran asks Ryner why Ryner, being a person from Roland, save Sui, who is from a different country. Ryner responds by saying that, he is different from Mrian. He doesn't believe in eliminating people who are hindrances. Miran issues a warning and then leaves. As Miran leaves, he says that someday he will have to end up killing Ryner, because is existence is a problem or something of that nature.

Ryner decides to leave Arua and Kuku with Milks group, as they’re looking for the hero relics.
Scene changes to Rolnad, where Sion is talking with Lucile. Sion is thinking of the fights and battle that seems to be coming. H seems to want to create the world that Ryner dreams of (world without wars, etc.), but Lucile says that is just a dream and perhaps Sion already knows that.

Sion thinks, that it should still be possible. The preview for the next episode shows Milk and her group along with Sion and Ryner.

It was also cute, hearing Arua calling Ryner Sensei (teacher / master).

saladesu
October 03, 2010, 10:01 AM
What's this thread doing in the archives when it's still halfway through O____O Did a mod think it was one of those 13-episode-long (short) animes? I thought it got deleted or something when I couldn't find it in the main list... D:

Anyway I just watched episode 14.

I agree, it was really cute seeing Arua calling Ryner "sensei" XD And as usual Ferris had to say all those questionable stuff about Ryner to make Arua wonder whether Ryner really was a good guy or not XD I thought it was nice that Ryner shared with Arua how he felt about being an Alpha Stigma bearer, even if he didn't intend to ramble on like that.

I didn't expect Froaude to appear at the end of the battle though. Seems pretty certain that the crystal on his ring (and the one on the other guy [what was his name again? too many characters to keep track of @__@] who appeared when Froaude was killing off all the nobles had) is a rule fragment. And Sui's hero's relic appears to have fallen into Froaude's hands too :/ What evilness will Froaude be up to next...

That said, I lol-ed hard at Sui losing his second arm XD

The ending of the episode seems to really suggest that Sion is going to turn bad >< Well in the episode Sui also mentioned that all kings will be faced with such a fork in the road (though Sion has clearly stepped onto the dark one) and Ryner declared that he would be there to knock some sense into Sion and I hope he keeps to his word on that...

Oh and I didn't particularly like or dislike the new opening and ending very much but they're growing on me on second listen :) I do want to see the black haired Lelouch-doppelganger-who-also-has-some-eye-power who appears in the opening soon too XD Sui's offhand mention of the different eye powers in this episode was also the first time it was mentioned that there could be other eye powers other than the Alpha Stigma iirc.

I wonder how much more this anime will be able to cover in the remaining 12 episodes. Hope it doesn't end with a slightly (or worse than that) wanting ending like DRRR!! :/ Though of course I'd more than welcome a second season XD More than enough material to work with, what with the number of novels this series has spawned :amuse

Charlie
October 07, 2010, 05:59 PM
Episode 15 raw.

Miran gives Sion the report of involvements with Runa and Gastark, he also mentions Gastark wiping out the Stohls forces. Then we move onto Ryner and Ferris who are traveling on raft and talks about why they're going through all this trouble. He then gives Sion the blame for all his problems like usual, and thinks of “giving it” to him a few times. Ferris gives her on version of Ryner being a pervert, and he counters by saying that it’s Ferris’s fault for using too much power when fighting Milks group. Which in-turn broke their ship.

Meanwhile a storm develops and they’re both swallowed by the waves. Ryner says he is going to die in an nonchalant manner. When he wakes up on the beach, he looks for Ferris but does not see her. Then he notices a smoke coming from the nearby forest area and goes to look. Turns out that a member from Milks party was cooking some food there. He and Ryner have a short match before realizing who the other party was. Milk on the other hand is seen near Ferris and, Ferris tells Milk some more crazy stories about Ryner and the things he were doing in the other towns.

Milk shows up and attacks Ryner demanding he answer he questions. Looks like poor milk, believed Ferris bull story completely. :p

After running from Milks attacks, Ferris shows up and points out they’re on Roland. Then Ryner and Ferris go to see Sion, the man who made Ryner go through all this troublesome mess.

Sion on the other hand, is reading Ryners report about the ideal world again and tears it up. Sion gets frustrated with Ryners ideal world proposal, and asks wasn’t that the reason that he became the king in the first place. Which was to change the current messed up world. Sion’s emotional presence startles the maid who came to clean up. Sion then regains his demeanor and apologizes to her. By this time Ryner and Ferris are sneaking into the palace to get revenge on Sion.

Milks group also follows behind as to prevent Ryner from "killing" the king. :)
In Sion’s room Ryner laid a book trap at the top of the door, so that it would hit him when he came in the room. Sion comes in and foils Ryner’s trap and chucks the book at his face. They talk a bit and Ryner tells him of his troubles and the jumps Sion. While they’re siting on the bed, Ferris comes in and tells Sion to prepare himself as he is the enemy of dango. Then after seeing them sit together, Ferris makes light of the situation again, and wishes them happiness. Milk is now thinking weird things thanks to Ferris’s fables from earlier.

The show ends with Miran reading some of the other parts of Ryners report and mentions something that I didn't really understand. - - Waits for the subs - -

The preview showed Eris writing a report about Ryner and I don't remember the rest. :s

-------------- Final thoughts about ep 15

Funny how Ryner wanted to kick Sions butt for making things a hassle for him but once he's in Sions quarters, he takes a nap. :notrust

The book trap by Ryner was pretty lame as well. Sion noticing a presence or intruder before entering the room was also interesting.

Milk is pretty gullible like Eris. Ferris continues her wild imaginations, she must be loving spending time with him. :D

saladesu
October 10, 2010, 09:07 AM
I felt like nothing particularly significant happened this episode... No real plot developments that is.

It was pretty good comic relief though - from Milk thoroughly believing everything Ferris said about Ryner (Arua and whatshername being his illegitimate children etc), to the "misunderstanding" of sorts where the Taboo Breakers thought Ryner/Ferris were going to assassinate Sion, perpetuated by Claugh "confirming" that there was someone planning to assassinate Sion... And of course, how could anyone forget the BL scene between Sion and Ryner *snickers*

Is it just me or did Sion flip his fringe back more in this episode than ever before? Looked like a shampoo ad :XD

Froaude reading off Ryner's report was interesting. Milk is the linchpin that keeps Ryner in Roland and keeps him working under Sion? o_o Milk is obviously important to the plot some way or another, but I didn't think she was this important. I thought Ryner was working under/with Sion because he wanted to create the same kind of world Sion did (peaceful etc, plus the afternoon naps), and because they were friends.

That said, next episode looks like it's going to be a recap... With a lot of narration by Iris. Nooo ;___; Her voice is rather irritating imo @__@

Charlie
October 21, 2010, 06:42 PM
@ saladesu: I'm with you on the linchpin thing. I didn't understand that part either by Miran. The flashbacks showed Ryner having a connection to Milk, but I thought the same as you did. Maybe we're missing something or Miran got "it" wrong.

A recap episode would suck, after waiting a whole week.
The preview at the end Ryner talks about leaving. So maybe it will not be a complete recap.

[hr]

Heroes ep 15.5 / special?

So the episode was a mostly recap, with Irs giving Sion a narrated detailed report of Ryner and Ferri’s travels. The way the re cap was handled, made it less boring as some-other re-caps in other shows for me. By the end of the report, Irs thinks that its a problem for her older sister to be working with Ryner. Who, she doesn’t have a good impression of (another victim of Ferris :)). In the end Ryner was tallying the sheer number of dangos that Ferris has eaten for his report to Sion, and I think he called Ferris a violent woman or something. Anyway, Irs and Sion walk in at that moment. Irs hearing Ryner’s ill comments for her beloved older sister goes to attack him.

After easily fending off the attacks by Irs, Ryner became slightly distracted when he was talking to Sion. Just then, she found an opening and manages to get a good shot on Ryner. Which sent him flying into the wall. :p
Irs becomes ecstatically happy to be displaying her strength to Sion and looks for his praise . He also complimented her and said that Irs will be able to protect her older sister. To which she replied that Sion tell Ferris, she is someone who can take care of things when it needs to be done.
The scene changes to Ferris, where she is making some up crazy story for her report and eating tons of delicious dango. :o

The preview for the next episode shows Ryner running into Lucile. Also seem like a flashback onto Ferri’s past. While Ryner is planing to run away.
[hr]
Heroes 16

Nice episode over all. Felt a bit short at the end.
In the morning Ferris goes to wake Ryner up for a search for Dango, while her brother seems to be observing her from his room. Milk comes to pay a visit as well and starts to have some wild ideas because she seem Ryner and Ferris together. Of-course it doesn’t help when Ferris starts to make up things again, which fuels Milks anger and she starts to blow up things.

Ryner ends up going to Sions room to get some sleep. Sion comes in shortly thereafter and he tells Ryner that the kids he saved are currently at the Eris house. Ryner goes to pay them a visit rather than sticking around Sion and helping him. I think Sion also mentioned about sending Ryner and Ferris to Estabul for something. As Ryner heads out, he is being watched by Miran, who is wearing a ‘not so happy’ face.

Kiefer is seen researching about the Alpha Stigma. She learns that once a stigma bearer goes berserk he will not be able to return to normal. Apparently in known history, there isn’t single person who has returned to normal after losing control. She then wonders about Ryner who was able to do so.
Miller and Luke seem to upto something. Keifer then thinks about heading to Gastark, as she cant get any more information from her current location. Miller gave Luke a book which seemed to have some information on the Alpah Stigma.

Ryner arrived at the Eris Mansion and was greeted by the servant there. He notices a strange building there. The servant tells Ryner that it’s a dojo & the place where Ferris’ older brother is living. Ryner uses his Alpha Stigma to analyze the building and immediately has some sort of strange vision of himself being disintegrating. He then asks Arua to use analyze the same building but he finds nothing strange.

At night, Ryner pays a visit to the dojo. Inside he encounters Lucile , who already knows Ryner by name and about Sions request form them to go to Estabul. The two of the begin to have an interesting conversation. Ryner ends up asking Luciel exactly ‘what’ he is. Luciel simply states that he is Ferris’ older brother. Which was not exactly the answer Ryner was looking for. Using the Alpha Stigma, Ryner notices that Lucile appears as either black or nothing. So he can’t be a human like Ferris. Luciel then attacks Ryner and pins him down before Ryner can react. He also apparently is not fond of Ryner getting close with Ferris and won’t allow it. Luciel then disappears from sight and gives Ryner a warning.

Afterward, Ryner runs into Milk who wants to invite him to her birthday part. She gives him the invitation which was written by Luke. When Ryner reads it, he seems to become sad or depressed. Luke on the other hand, apologies to Milk from his room for deceiving her. While still in the alley, a happy go lucky Milk is expecting a great birthday party with Ryner being there. She is then confronted by Miran, who’s using his Rule Fragments power attack her. While in his room Ryner is reading the letter from Luke. Which seem to state that Sion has sanctioned his death. Then as he is lying on the bed, he thinks about Luciel’s remark from earlier.

The preview showed Claugh fighting some mysterious person that looked like the one from the opening.

saladesu
October 26, 2010, 10:08 AM
Finally got round to watching 15.5 and 16 ^^

Whoa so let me get this straight. Ferris is the product of an incestuous relationship, was abused and raped by her dad (who is also her uncle), with the approval of her mum (who is also her aunt), watched her parents get massacred by her brother, who then tells her "everything is okay, I will protect you" with blood all over his face and clothes? Now that is mighty messed up @___@ Poor girl. I guess Ryner put up with her and her groundless accusations time and time again because he could tell she had been abused. Even if I find her irritating, I hope Iris was too young to have undergone the same ordeal as Ferris.

And Poor Ryner, finding out about how Sion had that order written to kill him if he were to go berserk :( Though I do understand that Sion has a country to defend and a duty as a king to ensure that no war breaks out because of something like an Alpha Stigma holder going berserk in another country. I still like to think that Sion wasn't lying when he said that he trusts Ryner and Ferris the most, but it would have been nice if he had directly told Ryner about the order... I hope this won't be the impetus for Ryner to really run away from Roland ><

And I called it on Froaude going after Milk! :XD I guess Ryner will come to her rescue, though? Especially since he's not too far away. I wonder what is the reason for Froaude's attack on Milk though, I hope it's more than just because she's nobility. But up till this point, Froaude and Lucille's intentions are still in the dark... Lucille's very existence is in the dark. So what is he, an apparition...? :blink

Anyway, this was a great episode (like you said, Charlie-san, it felt really short! When the catcheye came I was like "what, 10 minutes passed already?!" ><) but next episode looks even better~ :D Looks like the-guy-from-the-opening (Lelouch! :XD) will be appearing in the next episode. I'm really looking forward to that! It would seem his eye power is called Ino Dwei (sp?). Interesting indeed :tem

Zeltrax
October 27, 2010, 06:53 AM
I can see Ryner leaving Roland and joining the Lelouch guy like in the opening.
That guy like him, is a monster..and I think after all this, Ryner feelings have been hurted and feel that he has no purpose.
Sion is gradually changing too..
Anyway,
What the hell is the freaking shadow guy doing to Milk, or trying to do?
I don't understand why he needs to kill her, oh wait, she is observing Ryner so he has to get rid of him so she won't report to the king..
right?
Right..
If milk really do die, I can see ryner blaming himself for it.
It is one thing to die on the day of your birthday and another thing to die before the day of your birthday, if she really get kills by Miran, I'll hate him like hell. I can tell that claugh is in deep shit by the preview..hopefully not death.
I have a feeling Ryner will join kiefer somewhere in the future.

Charlie
October 28, 2010, 04:57 PM
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So Ryner has left early in the morning to somewhere by himself, and Ferris was waiting for him at their promised location but he was a no show. She then goes to see Sion to inquire about Ryner. He leaves the search for Ryner to her as he as to go to Estabul.

Claugh is in pursuit of a reported Alpha Stigma user, who wears black clothes and has black hair. The reported person is known to eat or kill people as well. It seems like Claugh has some-kind of past with the person.

Kiefer is seen in Gastark and she is researching the Alpha Stigma there. There she reads up on some of the other types of cursed eyes and various abilities, including information about the Alpha Stigma. The book also mentions something about a goddess, hero and the lonely demon.

Claugh and his men finally reach the location of the reported Alpha Stigma user. Claugh instantly recognizes him and has his men fire some powerful blasts at him to kill him. The powerful blast by the Roland Magicians are seen to have been dissipated or devoured by the cursed eye user.
He instantly moves upto Claughs’ location and kills someone else. Claugh then goes in for the attack and uses his arms magic power. The army people think that they can now win against the Alpha Stigma user. However that is short lived, as the mystery person takes Claughs arm instead and devours that. It seems the after eating the arm, the cursed users power increased and he said it was good thing that he didn’t kill Claugh back in the past. Claugh wants his men to make a retreat but instead they carry him away and fight.

Milks party is looking for Milk, who has been missing since the previous night. Luke wonders if Ryner did something. While searching for her, he runs into some men who were planing to attack him. Luke stops them with some magic traps and realizes that these guys were sent by Miran.
Miran then comes out of the shadows and request that Luke kill Ryner as noted on the kings order, when Luke inquires about Milks location. As Miran is about to attack with his rule fragment, Luke activates another trap and has Miran tied up. Which prevents him from using his relic.

The we see Ryner siting somewhere eating a dango, He then remembers the promise he made with Ferris the other day and wonders if she’ll be angry.

The preview shows Ryner, Sion and the mystery guy all on a battle field.

Milks whereabouts are unknown. Lets hope Miran hasn't done any torture with her. :s

saladesu
October 31, 2010, 08:49 AM
The plot is really picking up here. I wonder how they are planning to end the series, though, seeing as a) there aren't enough episodes to finish all the novels and b) sales and ratings have been pretty poor and likely don't warrant a second season :blink If it's an anime-only ending I hope they don't massacre it.

I always thought Luke was a random filler-ish character, but he was really impressive there holding his own against Froaude. He's jumped up a good many ranks in my favourite characters list XD

Poor Claugh. He really got his ass handed to him there against Tiia D:

Interesting tidbit: Tiia's seiyuu is Sakurai Takahiro. And as well all know Ryner's is Fukuyama Jun. For both of them, one of their most famous/memorable/well-known roles would be in Code Geass - Sakurai as Suzaku and FukuJun as Lelouch :tem Depending on what role Tiia comes to play later, they could be rivals again. Amusing. No wonder I felt like I'd heard Tiia's voice before somewhere :XD

Oh and some stuff I read from comments by novel-readers.
- The magic inscribed on Claugh's arm is one of the strongest in Roland, thus Claugh as a General wielding that power is essentially a symbol of Roland's military might.
- Magic in Denyuuden works by the manipulation of atoms (hmm sounds a bit FMA-ish) and Alpha Stigma works by instantly understanding the manipulation such that the AS holder can manipulate them in the same way to the same effect, while Ino Dwei just uh, absorbs the atoms. Since humans are also made of atoms, they can also be absorbed/swallowed.

I hope Milk is okay too D: But she's apparently going to play an even bigger role from here on out, so... She has to be okay XD

thornofcarrion
November 03, 2010, 12:09 AM
Currently, this series is my favorite. Watched episode 17 yesterday. As saladesu said above, the series has definitely picking up the pace. Ryner vs. Tiia, I would love to see that.

destiny4ever
November 05, 2010, 05:51 PM
Episode 17

I haven’t written in a while in this thread, so I’ve decided to return to this thread with a post that expresses just how much I adore this series!!!http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m015.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

The Legend of the Legendary Heroes has truly become one of my favorite anime series, and not only of the previous anime season but of the whole anime world! It is such an amazing series; it has action, suspense, drama, comedy, romance, it has everything!!

I sincerely thank Charlie and my other fellow TLOTLH fans for helping me decide giving this series a shot and continue watching it despise its first episode.

But enough of my fangirlism and let’s move on to the actual episode.

What an incredible episode this was!!

We started this episode with Ryner leaving Roland because of the letter he read the night before. Maybe I’m wrong, but there is still a part of me that wants to believe that Sion didn’t write and signed that letter, that it was all Miran. I really hope Sion didn’t write that letter and if he did, even though I understand why he would have done it, I still feel a bit mad at Sion for writing it. Yes, I do admit I’m a Ryner fangirl so I’m biased.

Seeing Ferris so affected by Ryner’s disappearance was so touching. She is a tsundere so I really enjoy the scenes when we get the chance to see her express her girly and vulnerable side. The part I enjoyed the most was seeing her holding her left arm with her right hand. It’s something we girls sometimes do to comfort ourselves; at least I do it sometimes, that’s how I could understand just how sad Ferris was because of Ryner’s departure and it is especially hard for her considering the events of her past, events that we watched in episode 16. The scene when Ryner is eating dango and is remembering Ferris was touching as well. I think we can safely say that it’s official, Ryner’s heart has an owner. She loves him and he loves her, Ryner and Ferris ftw!!

Why? Why? Why do anime boys keep making the same mistake? You cannot fight with a hot head, you need to calm down before you fight; otherwise you are doomed for defeat. I have seen boys make this fatal mistake tons of times both in the manga and anime world and this time I witnessed Claugh make it and it cost him dearly, it cost him his powerful arm. We only got a glimpse of Claugh’s past with Black Reaper-san but it seems BR destroyed Claugh’s whole village and that is why Claugh hates BR so much.

While I wasn’t happy with Claugh losing his arm, I must say it was nice to see Claugh trying to protect the men of his group even if it cost him his own life, and since I’ve mentioned this…I’m really interested in knowing more about the guy who saved Claugh, he seems like a pretty cool guy.

The scenes between Keifer and Edea were pretty interesting. We learned about the different kind of magic eyes. We also learned Edea is truly into Keifer, he has seriously fallen for her, and to be honest, I kind of like this pairing. Sadly for Edea, Keifer is in love with Ryner, but with Edea’s straightforwardness and confidence I’m sure he will bring her around as he himself said it.

Last but definitely not least, epic Luke is epic!! I was mad at him because of the letter he sent to Ryner but he won me over rapidly with the epic awesomeness he showed in this episode. I was thrilled to see him pwing Miran in such an impressive way. It seems that keeping your eyes constantly narrowed to slits in this series means overwhelming power and intellegent; first Lucille and now Luke.

This episode was amazing; I can’t wait to watch the next one. :)

Btw, I would like to mention just how splendid the OST of this series is, I so can’t wait to listen to it. And of course, I couldn’t finish my post without mentioning how much I love the new opening; the song and the animation both are wonderful. I <3 the fact that the opening let us see in the events that will occur in future episodes without spoiling the series for us.
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The book also mentions something about a goddess, hero and the lonely demon.
I’m probably wrong but I have a hunch of who the goddess, the hero and the lonely demon are.

Goddess = Milk
Hero = Sion
Lonely demon = Ryner



However that is short lived, as the mystery person takes Claughs arm instead and devours that. It seems the after eating the arm, the cursed users power increased and he said it was good thing that he didn’t kill Claugh back in the past.
BR (Black Reaper-san –don’t remember his actual name) acquired Claugh’s power when he devoured his arm, which made me wonder if the reason why BR didn’t kill Claugh during their first meeting was because BR wanted to give Claugh’s arm time to mature and become more powerful so that he could devour such power if he ever encounter Claugh again.



Milks whereabouts are unknown. Lets hope Miran hasn't done any torture with her. :s
Actually, I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, I do hope Milk is safe and unhurt, but on the other hand…because I’m looking forward to something concerning Milk and because I have a theory that in order for that “something” to happen she would need to be tortured and hurt… I’m kind of hoping Miran has done something to her.
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. I wonder how they are planning to end the series, though, seeing as a) there aren't enough episodes to finish all the novels and b) sales and ratings have been pretty poor and likely don't warrant a second season :blink If it's an anime-only ending I hope they don't massacre it.
As an eternal hopeful, I won’t give up hope for a second season until the very last minute and even then I will still hope for a second season. I mean, I still hope for a second season of Ouran and Soul Eater and they ended quite some time ago. But I agree with you, if they choose to go with an anime-original ending I truly hope they don’t destroy the series.



Interesting tidbit: Tiia's seiyuu is Sakurai Takahiro. And as well all know Ryner's is Fukuyama Jun. For both of them, one of their most famous/memorable/well-known roles would be in Code Geass - Sakurai as Suzaku and FukuJun as Lelouch :tem Depending on what role Tiia comes to play later, they could be rivals again. Amusing. No wonder I felt like I'd heard Tiia's voice before somewhere :XD
Thank you for that interesting info, Saladesu! To be honest, I didn’t recognize Tiia’s seiyuu as being the same one that did Suzaku in Code Geass, but now that you’ve mentioned it I think it is great that both Jun and Sakurai are working together again. :)
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Episode 18
Just finished watching episode 18, another great episode. However, I’m too sad because of the events that happened in this episode to write my review of it atm so I’ll write it a bit later tonight. :(


Ryner!!!*sniff* *sniff* http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m033.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

Charlie
November 05, 2010, 06:19 PM
Episode 18

Just finished watching episode 18, another great episode. However, I’m too sad because of the events that happened in this episode to write my review of it atm so I’ll write it a bit later tonight. :(Ryner!!!*sniff* *sniff* http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m033.gif (http://www.laymark.com)
- Favorite parts of the episode were, Ryners dream about his parents.
- Seeing the look on Ferris's face when there were no news on Ryner.
- Tira and Ryner leaving at the end.

So according to Tira, there are others and apparently one of them saw Ryner in a dream. Hence he came to retrieve Ryner as they're all tied or fated together as cursed eyed users.

So now Milk and Luke is missing. Interesting I wonder what happened or where they are currently.

Sion is a opportunist for sure. Claiming victory as if he defeated the enemy after Tira and Ryner left. It's like the same the people calling him a hero king, when Ryner was the one that killed all the mages. Which Sion got the credit for. :tem

The preview was interesting as well. Looks like Ferris chan is going to go look for him. Interesting how even Eris noticed that bringing dango to her sister was not making her happy.

destiny4ever
November 05, 2010, 09:11 PM
- Favorite parts of the episode were, Ryners dream about his parents.
That part was very touchinghttp://www.laymark.com/i/m/m033.gif (http://www.laymark.com). But it wasn’t clear, at least for me it wasn't, if that scene with the parents (his dad convincing his mom not to kill him) really happened or if that was all Ryner’s wishful thinking and deep desire that that would have been the way his parents acted towards him.


- Seeing the look on Ferris's face when there were no news on Ryner.
The girl is in love, who can’t blame her for feeling down? ;) She even mentioned how her chest was hurting her.



So now Milk and Luke is missing. Interesting I wonder what happened or where they are currently.
My theory is that they are in Miran’s house or wherever it is Miran lives.



Sion is a opportunist for sure. Claiming victory as if he defeated the enemy after Tira and Ryner left. It's like the same the people calling him a hero king, when Ryner was the one that killed all the mages. Which Sion got the credit for. :tem
The smile Sion showed on his face when Ryner left made me realize that there was no hope of Sion leaving the dark side, he is only getting deeper and deeper in the shady waters of the dark side.



The preview was interesting as well. Looks like Ferris chan is going to go look for him.
Yes, she is! :) Her doing that made me like her even more than before.



Interesting how even Eris noticed that bringing dango to her sister was not making her happy.
Eris is a very perceptive little girl. ^_^

Thanks to larethian for the info!

wish they have kept that scene when the innkeeper couple barges in with Ferris on top.

not exactly according to novel, just according to my memory but something like that:

Innkeepers: gasp, what is going on?
Ryner: everything's fine.
Ferris on top of Ryner with sword struck into the floor: heh, outsiders should just get out and leave us alone.
Innkeepers look at each other, then smiled: Outsiders?? Ah, I see I see, so this is what it's all about.
Ryner: erm, I think you are misunderstanding something.
Innkeepers giggle and left, closing the door behind them.

Charlie
November 05, 2010, 10:08 PM
That part was very touchinghttp://www.laymark.com/i/m/m033.gif (http://www.laymark.com). But it wasn’t clear, at least for me it wasn't, if that scene with the parents (his dad convincing his mom not to kill him) really happened or if that was all Ryner’s wishful thinking and deep desire that that would have been the way his parents acted towards him.


Felt like an accurate portrayal of how a parent would act in the TLOTLH universe. Given how an AS barer are treated or looked up on.

His mom wanting to kill herself and Ryner is probably true. Assuming those were his parents. Like she stated, their son is an AS barer and in time he will go out of control. So it would be better to kill him before that happens.

Another interesting part was in the dialogue of the mom character. She stated she was a commoner and Ryners dad was a noble. Which if true, matches that of Sions background.



The girl is in love, who can’t blame her for feeling down? ;) She even mentioned how her chest was hurting her.

Well she seems to heading to that direction. But I want Ryner x Keifer. :yelling.




My theory is that they are in Miran’s house or wherever it is Miran lives.

The smile Sion showed on his face when Ryner left made me realize that there was no hope of Sion leaving the dark side, he is only getting deeper and deeper in the shady waters of the dark side.

Yes, she is! :) Her doing that made me like her even more than before.


I think Sion smiling was just a front to show the soilders and I think that was the right choice. Later you can see him having some anguish or despair. I didn't really see any dark intentions there.



Eris is a very perceptive little girl. ^_^

Yep Yep.

Thanks to larethian for the info!

wish they have kept that scene when the innkeeper couple barges in with Ferris on top.

not exactly according to novel, just according to my memory but something like that:

Innkeepers: gasp, what is going on?
Ryner: everything's fine.
Ferris on top of Ryner with sword struck into the floor: heh, outsiders should just get out and leave us alone.
Innkeepers look at each other, then smiled: Outsiders?? Ah, I see I see, so this is what it's all about.
Ryner: erm, I think you are misunderstanding something.
Innkeepers giggle and left, closing the door behind them.

The cut scene would have been great to watch if included. :(

Zeltrax
November 05, 2010, 11:01 PM
Episode 18 is probably the turning point and everything will be different,
but we won't be able to see it till the end because of the 26 episodes.
Not really sure if they are able to cover everything..
The art for 18 is different from the usual mainly because of the mainly action scenes, I guess.

saladesu
November 07, 2010, 06:21 AM
Good episode from start to end. I REALLY WANT A SECOND SEASON :O (and this season hasn't even ended) *joins Destiny in being an optimist*

Ryner's dream was so sad :( But at least it shows he was wanted. If it was his real memories that is. I do hope they were. But the way he woke up saying "what was with that, it makes it look like I was actually wanted"... Kinda makes me think it was his wishful thinking :( Nonetheless, since he was at the orphanage, we can assume his parents died somewhere or he ran away from home. I remember a few pages ago, Charlie mentioned and provided a picture of Ryner's dad reappearing later, though...?

I disagree that Sion is an opportunist, though. I saw it more as something he had to do rather than wanted to do. It pained him to have to abandon Ryner that way, but what's a king to do in that situation? :/ He had clearly been hiding the fact that Ryner was an AS bearer from all of Roland (hence all the army being shocked at that revelation), and it's obviously taboo to house an AS bearer. The smile and declaration that they had won was definitely just a front for the sake of the army. Besides, it's not like he could chase after Ryner after Tiia warped or whatever them away... I think there is still hope for Sion >< I hope he (or at least Ferris as his proxy) will go after Ryner in the episodes to come.

That said, I thought Sion was real perceptive in using the non-magic-laced arrows to try and get Tiia. Would have worked if the army hadn't been near enough for him to get a meal and replenish his strength. Ino Dwei seems like a really imba power to have...

From the preview, I'm guessing all those kids around Ryner/Tiia are also either AS bearers, ID bearers or other-eye-power bearers. It seems like Tiia and his nakama are collecting them all (sounds like Pokemon lmao), and getting them when they're kids seems to be best, since after all, once they go berserk, they're pretty much dead meat.

destiny4ever
November 07, 2010, 06:37 PM
His mom wanting to kill herself and Ryner is probably true.
I thought she was trying to kill Ryner, just Ryner. And it was Ryner’s dad who convinced her not to kill their son because he was going to protect them both.



Another interesting part was in the dialogue of the mom character. She stated she was a commoner and Ryners dad was a noble. Which if true, matches that of Sions background.
Nice observation, Charlie! :cool: Another thing that is worth mentioning and that helped us understand Ryner better is the fact that he killed his parents when he experienced what I guess was his first episode as A.S.



Well she seems to heading to that direction. But I want Ryner x Keifer. :yelling.
At some point, during the very beginning of the series, I was rooting for Ryner x Kiefer too. However, after the scene of Ferris and Ryner in the rain after he tried to kill her I was sold on this pairing and the last couple of eps have only reaffirmed my support for this pairing. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/love-012.gif



I think Sion smiling was just a front to show the soilders and I think that was the right choice.
Actually, I’m referring to the smile he showed just before turning towards the soldiers to face them. That smile reminded me of the image of (evil) Sion on the widow some episodes ago, that’s why I said that smile made me realize Sion was not returning from the darkness.



Later you can see him having some anguish or despair. I didn't really see any dark intentions there.
I agree, he was sad and despaired because Ryner and Ferris had left him and it is especially because of that sorrow and desperation that Sion will fall into darkness even deeper than before.



The cut scene would have been great to watch if included. :(
I totally agree. Too bad they didn't include it. :(
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*joins Destiny in being an optimist*
Yay!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m121.gif (http://www.laymark.com) *is happy Salad has joined her*



Ryner's dream was so sad :( But at least it shows he was wanted. If it was his real memories that is. I do hope they were. But the way he woke up saying "what was with that, it makes it look like I was actually wanted"... Kinda makes me think it was his wishful thinking :(
My exact thoughts. But I do think the part that we can safely assume it was 100% real was the part where he kills his parents.



Nonetheless, since he was at the orphanage, we can assume his parents died somewhere or he ran away from home.
Actually, I think Ryner killed his own parents…




I remember a few pages ago, Charlie mentioned and provided a picture of Ryner's dad reappearing later, though...?
I had totally forgotten about that piece of info, and tbh, I’m kind of sad I remember it now, because it kind of killed the surprise of Ryner’s dad showing up later in the series. :(



I disagree that Sion is an opportunist, though. I saw it more as something he had to do rather than wanted to do. It pained him to have to abandon Ryner that way, but what's a king to do in that situation? :/ He had clearly been hiding the fact that Ryner was an AS bearer from all of Roland (hence all the army being shocked at that revelation), and it's obviously taboo to house an AS bearer. The smile and declaration that they had won was definitely just a front for the sake of the army. Besides, it's not like he could chase after Ryner after Tiia warped or whatever them away... I think there is still hope for Sion >< I hope he (or at least Ferris as his proxy) will go after Ryner in the episodes to come.
But it is exactly all those things Sion has to do for the good of his kingdom and because he is a king that are slowly corrupting his heart, IMHO. There is a saying that says : “ The road to hell is paved with good intentions” and I do think this is exactly what is happening with Sion. Maybe I’m wrong, but I will venture to say that later in the story Sion and Ryner will become enemies, at least, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if that would occur in the next episodes.

~Coffee~
November 07, 2010, 11:38 PM
whew, thanks for inviting me to this lively discussion destiny4ever ~

Anyways, If you paid attention to the newer op sequence, you see what appears to be Tira and Ryner, so as soon as I saw him pop up, I figured Ryner would be grouping with him.

and Ya, that smile of Sions. I also felt that it was more of a front, wasn't he looking down and and bobbing his head as well?

My other thoughts include - "Luke is a badass" - "What are those 2 other eye powers that were mentioned" - and "I still can't quite figure out Froaude"

Charlie
November 07, 2010, 11:50 PM
As I recall, one is called the Inoe Dwei (sp). That absorbs magic or gives power to the person using it. The other one, I forget its name but it I think allows the person too see dreams or something like that. I'm sure I'm not recalling everything correctly. Also welcome to the board.

destiny4ever
November 08, 2010, 12:12 AM
whew, thanks for inviting me to this lively discussion destiny4ever ~
“Destiny” is okay, you don’t need to call me by my whole username. :) And yay!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m121.gif (http://www.laymark.com) I’m so glad you joined us, ~Coffee~.

Welcome to this thread! :confetti



Anyways, If you paid attention to the newer op sequence, you see what appears to be Tira and Ryner, so as soon as I saw him pop up, I figured Ryner would be grouping with him.
Yes, I was expecting him to join Tiia as well. I just wasn’t expecting for it to be so soon.



and Ya, that smile of Sions. I also felt that it was more of a front, wasn't he looking down and and bobbing his head as well?
I’m not saying he was happy about Ryner leaving, all I’m saying is that that smile reminded me of the image of evil Sion on the window a few episodes ago.



My other thoughts include - "Luke is a badass"
QFT!


And I’m surprised nobody has mentioned how much of a siscon Lucille is. I felt a strong feeling of creepiness when he was talking to Ferris during this episode and last episode during his conversation with Ryner. I have a strong feeling he loves Ferris more than just like a sister...http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/huh.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

~Coffee~
November 08, 2010, 04:45 PM
“Destiny” is okay, you don’t need to call me by my whole username. :) And yay!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m121.gif (http://www.laymark.com) I’m so glad you joined us, ~Coffee~.

Welcome to this thread! :confetti

Thank you thank you~



And I’m surprised nobody has mentioned how much of a siscon Lucille is. I felt a strong feeling of creepiness when he was talking to Ferris during this episode and last episode during his conversation with Ryner. I have a strong feeling he loves Ferris more than just like a sister...http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/huh.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

And yes, I get that vibe as well, we will probably see more clashes between Lucille and Ryner and probably Ferris as well. Though I have to say how curious I am what the hell is up with him, he is god-like.. that cheater.


As I recall, one is called the Inoe Dwei (sp). That absorbs magic or gives power to the person using it. The other one, I forget its name but it I think allows the person too see dreams or something like that. I'm sure I'm not recalling everything correctly. Also welcome to the board.
(In the translation I watched anyways) they mentioned one that could consume magic and power, one that could see into dreams, one that could see and understand magic, and two others that they didnt explain.

destiny4ever
November 08, 2010, 05:02 PM
Though I have to say how curious I am what the hell is up with him, he is god-like.. that cheater.
I’m very curious about Lucille as well. My theory is that he sold his soul to some evil entity in exchange of the incredible power he has. If you were to ask me when, then my guess would be just before killing his parents. And it is interesting to notice how Ryner wisely pointed out the fact that Lucille seems to be rooted to Roland and that it seems as if he isn’t able to move outside of that kingdom.

~Coffee~
November 08, 2010, 05:49 PM
Ya, I was trying to work through what Ryner observed as well, it could have something to do with one of those hero relics that they have been going after. Maybe Lucille IS one, lol.

destiny4ever
November 08, 2010, 08:28 PM
Ya, I was trying to work through what Ryner observed as well, it could have something to do with one of those hero relics that they have been going after. Maybe Lucille IS one, lol.
As crazy as that theory sounds, I think Lucille being a hero relic is a plausible one. According to some info from the novels (thanks larethian for the info), they (the animators) omitted some important dialogue between Lucile and his father just before Lucille killed him. It was the part where he talked about taking on and ending the curse of the family and also the part when he told Ferris he is going to see the “abyss of the world”. Maybe it is a relic that has to do with the abyss of the word?

And this might seem trivial gore and understandable why they didn’t show it in the anime, but Lucille decapitated his mother with his own hand, another reason to make me believe Lucille sold his soul to some evil entity.

~Coffee~
November 08, 2010, 09:43 PM
I feel like I want to make a Densetsu sig now, but Its hard to find good stocks/renders

destiny4ever
November 09, 2010, 04:12 PM
I feel like I want to make a Densetsu sig now, but Its hard to find good stocks/renders
I might be wrong, but if I remember correctly I think there are some pretty good images that you can download on the series’ own website:

http://www.denyuden.jp/index2.html

Btw, I was checking the website and there are so many cool things about the series (for instance what I think it’s a new game based on the series) that it makes me sad that I’m not able to read Japanese. :( Hopefully someone translates a bit of info from the TLOTLH website soon.

~Coffee~
November 09, 2010, 06:26 PM
Im not very good at reading it, but you can always have google "semi-translate" it for you, lol =
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.denyuden.jp/&ei=P9jZTJX0LpD4swOiiL2XCA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB0Q7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.denyuden.jp/index2.html%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Div
Reading through it a little bit, I found that there is a conference as well ~
and a nice little relationship chart.....

and while I found a few nice images to use, nothing really at a decent size~

Charlie
November 11, 2010, 07:54 PM
Heroes 19 raw

The show starts with Keifer spying on Rafal as he is looking at a crystallized eye. However, she was found out and makes up some story for being there.
Scene changes to Roland where Sion is having a meeting with others. They want to know why the king was hiding an Alpha Stigma monster without telling anyone. Since he could have gone berserk at anytime and caused major damage.

Sion explains his reason with a clam face, including the fact he ordered Milks group to watch over him and issued an order for his death incase Ryner went out of control. He also mentions about Ryner being the strongest mage in Roland. After hearing the convincing speech from Sion, the other members go along with him.


Sion back at his throne is going over what Ryner said before leaving. He also thinks about how he lent Ryner a hand wanting to help him in the past and now with the same hand, he order his death. This part made me almost feel bad for Sion.

Scene change to Gastark, where Rafal is in a similar meeting with his men. He also has Keifer dress up in a rather pretty dress and goes full throttle about wanting to marry her. Kuu then comes back with an injured Sui and they proceed to help him. He mentions that he was attacked by a rule fragment user (Miran) who had a similar power to Lir (Lightning Man) . He also mentions about a monster called Ryner Lute who is not an ordinary Alpha Stigma barer. Hearing Ryners name causes Keifer to have a momentary reaction, and it was noticed by Rafals assistant. He mentions to the king that, Keifer knows something about Ryner Lute.

Back in Roland, Claugh receives a detailed report on Ryner and his past from Calne.
Clane is bothered or shocked by the fact that Sion hid Ryner. Claugh looks through the report and says that Ryner went out of control as a child and Calne confrims. He also mentions that Ryner seems to be a rare type that has the ability to regain himself after going out control.

Apparently after being discovered in some village he was brought into the military and trained. Later he became the strongest in the military. Things about Ryner were kept secret.
I couldn't understand some of the Japanese/o. --Waits for subs--
I might be off on a few details.

Calne mentions about where Ryner & Sion frist met and how its rather mysterious that Ryner hasn’t betrayed Roland yet. Claugh adds that he once saw Ryner and saw that Ryner had the none caring or nonchalant attitude about everything being bother some. He goes on to say about how he’ll never understand monsters.

Scene changes to Tir and Ryner. Tir has brought Ryner to the place he is staying, which has a bunch of other kids who have cursed eyes. Tir called them “gods eye” and how their lives are being targeted. Apparently its the people from Gastark. It's the same people who we have been shown before and they are doing the attacks to make crystallized eyes. They have already killed a lot Tirs friends in the past.

He vows now to protect the children he’s currently with and create a world where they can be happy. So he’s glad that Ryner joined their team. I forgot to mention that Lir has been following Ryner and Tir for sometime, staying hidden. The kids are curious about Ryner and wants to know about his secret or special moves. He says sleeping, which the kids didn’t find interesting.

Ryner meets Rafra, who has a “gods eye” called Ebura Crypt. Rafa was the one who told Tir about Ryner as he can see into peoples dreams. Rafra has apparently watched Ryner for a while and know quite a lot about him and his feelings, etc. He also likes how Ryner doesn’t hate the humans despite being called a monster and everything else that has happened him. He mentions Ryner doesn’t like hurting others or being hurt, he knows that Ryner likes humans and everyone-else.
Which is also a reason why he did not inform the others in his group about Ryner, despite knowing about him for a while. He says the reason for asking Ryner to come to them was to protect or help them from the other people or the ones that are targeting them due to their eyes. Which is something Rafra cant do.

At night, while everyone is sleeping, Ryner goes outside after realizing someone there and tells them to come-out. Lir thought he had been found out but apparently, it was not the case.
Luke pops up out of the grass, saying as expected of Rolands strongest magician.
He address himself and mentions the formalities and requests a match.

End-

The preview for the next episodes shows Ryner fighting Luke and I think Lir uses that opportunity to attack the others. Seems like Ferris shows up as well. Should be rather interesting. This was an awesome episode. I want more! :yelling

bellcrossage
November 12, 2010, 01:54 AM
I have seen the series up to the most recent subbed release by Funimation, and I have a question, how close to the light novels is the anime? Is it fairly similar to the light novels? I was wondering if we'd ever be able to see why Ryner has the ultra powerful Alpha Stigma.

This series is awesome. I love it.

saladesu
November 12, 2010, 06:48 AM
Wow this thread sure got active in the past week :O *wishes she could have been here T_T*


I have seen the series up to the most recent subbed release by Funimation, and I have a question, how close to the light novels is the anime? Is it fairly similar to the light novels?

I haven't read all the light novels but of the parts I've skimmed through (didn't really have time to really sit down and read) it seems to follow the novels quite closely, though naturally some parts have to be cut out due to lack of time or whatsoever.

Oh and looking at the recent Blu-Ray DVD rankings, it looks like Denyuuden isn't doing that bad after all... I can't seem to find the ratings for the recent episodes though. I do hope it's been on the rise now that the plot has picked up the pace.

Just realised the official romanisation is Tiir. Kagami-sensei sure comes up with interesting names lol. Just a little something of interest from Tiir's profile on the official website
Tiir believes he's of a better class than humans XD Interestingly that would mean that he has in some sense accepted that he is not human because he is an Ino Dwei holder... Contrast with Ryner who doesn't really wanna be seen as non-human just because of his eyes.Destiny, Coffee, If there's anything you saw that you want translated I could do it so just link me the page or something :)

destiny4ever
November 12, 2010, 07:14 PM
Heroes 19 raw
The show starts with Keifer spying on Rafal as he is looking at a crystallized eye. However, she was found out and makes up some story for being there.
I didn’t realize that they were crystallized eyes until you mentioned it. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/slaphead.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) No wonder Pink King told Keifer those “jewels” would not look good on her. So they have killed that many eye bearers, I bet some of those “jewels” belonged to Tii’s friends. And did you notice how Keifer blushed a little bit when Pink King offered to buy her whatever jewel she would like. Could that mean that Keifer is beginning to feel something for Pink King?



Sion back at his throne is going over what Ryner said before leaving. He also thinks about how he lent Ryner a hand wanting to help him in the past and now with the same hand, he order his death. This part made me almost feel bad for Sion.
Almost? I must admit that even though I don’t like Sion as much as I did before, I did feel pretty bad for him during that part of the ep, especially when a tear rolled down his face. :( With Ryner and Ferris gone (two of his dear and closest friends), Sion is all alone. Ferris and Ryner meant a great deal to him.



He also has Keifer dress up in a rather pretty dress and goes full throttle about wanting to marry her.
When Pink King mentioned his plan of marrying her, Keifer blushed a lot. I truly wonder if she is beginning to develop romantic feelings for Pink King…anyway, if just mentioning Ryner has such an effect on Keifer... poor Pink King, he will really have to try his very best if he wants to win Keifer’s heart.



Back in Roland, Claugh receives a detailed report on Ryner and his past from Calne.
Clane is bothered or shocked by the fact that Sion hid Ryner. Claugh looks through the report and says that Ryner went out of control as a child and Calne confrims. He also mentions that Ryner seems to be a rare type that has the ability to regain himself after going out control. Apparently after being discovered in some village he was brought into the military and trained. Later he became the strongest in the military. Things about Ryner were kept secret.
It was also interesting to notice how Claugh mentioned that Ryner’s real name, actual age, birthplace, and everything else was unclear; which means Ryner Lute was a name given by Roland’s military. I’m very curious about Ryner’s real name, actual age, birthplace and other details about his past.



Scene changes to Tir and Ryner. Tir has brought Ryner to the place he is staying, which has a bunch of other kids who have cursed eyes. Tir called them “gods eye” and how their lives are being targeted. Apparently its the people from Gastark. It's the same people who we have been shown before and they are doing the attacks to make crystallized eyes. They have already killed a lot Tirs friends in the past.
This part of the ep made me like Tiir more, I wasn’t a big fan of his last episode but this episode made me realize that Tiir also has a tender and caring side. Just like this part of the ep made Tiir gain points with me, it made me dislike Gastark more. The guys from that place are horrible, in the name of peace and desire to create a better world they are doing so many horrible things.



At night, while everyone is sleeping, Ryner goes outside after realizing someone there and tells them to come-out. Lir thought he had been found out but apparently, it was not the case.
Luke pops up out of the grass, saying as expected of Rolands strongest magician.
He address himself and mentions the formalities and requests a match.
So I guess this means Miran has Milk still in his power and that is why Luke has agreed to obey Miran’s orders and kill Ryner. Luke vs. Ryner will be a very interesting fight, one I’m looking forward to.



Seems like Ferris shows up as well. Should be rather interesting.
It seems Ferris is back at Ryner’s side. Yay!! http://www.laymark.com/i/o/06.gif (http://www.laymark.com) The scene with Ferris remembering Ryner, her being sad because he left without her and then forsaking even her beloved dangos to continue her search for Ryner made me ship for Ferris x Ryner even more. http://www.laymark.com/i/o/22.gif (http://www.laymark.com) She misses Ryner so much than not even her beloved dangos can cheer her up. And did I mention how pretty she looks in her new clothes? Because she really does. :)

I so can’t wait to watch the next episode!!
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This series is awesome. I love it.
Welcome to this thread, bellcrossage! :) It is nice to see another fan of this series, TLOTLH deserves all the loves it can get. If you have already watched episode 19, you are more than welcome to join us in the discussion of this episode.

Charlie
November 12, 2010, 07:31 PM
When Pink King mentioned his plan of marrying her, Keifer blushed a lot. I truly wonder if she is beginning to develop romantic feelings for Pink King…anyway, if just mentioning Ryner has such an effect on Keifer... poor Pink King, he will really have to try his very best if he wants to win Keifer’s heart.


I couldn't tell if that was real or if she was faking. Maybe she did start to have some feelings. I mean a king throwing himself at your feet is not something that occurs everyday.



It was also interesting to notice how Claugh mentioned that Ryner’s real name, actual age, birthplace, and everything else was unclear; which means Ryner Lute was a name given by Roland’s military. I’m very curious about Ryner’s real name, actual age, birthplace and other details about his past.


If I recall correctly, the scene in the earlier parts of the anime flashback, Ryner mentions his name to Milk? Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think he introduced himself as Ryner. However that could have occurred after being taken into the military. So you may be right about that.




So I guess this means Miran has Milk still in his power and that is why Luke has agreed to obey Miran’s orders and kill Ryner. Luke vs. Ryner will be a very interesting fight, one I’m looking forward to.


Very possible. I figured that since he couldn't find Milk, he went to find Ryner for help. That or Miran proved to be more difficult than he thought. So he needed Ryners help. However the preview showed the fighting so, I guess my idea was not correct. :p



It seems Ferris is back at Ryner’s side. Yay!! http://www.laymark.com/i/o/06.gif (http://www.laymark.com) The scene with Ferris remembering Ryner, her being sad because he left without her and then forsaking even her beloved dangos to continue her search for Ryner made me ship for Ferris x Ryner even more. http://www.laymark.com/i/o/22.gif (http://www.laymark.com) She misses Ryner so much than not even her beloved dangos can cheer her up. And did I mention how pretty she looks in her new clothes? Because she really does. :)

I so can’t wait to watch the next episode!!



Meh. No Ferris x Ryner. It must be Ryner x Keifer. I do like both parings though. :xp I noticed what you said about Ferris and her Ryner withdrawal symptoms in the episode. :shakefist

destiny4ever
November 12, 2010, 07:52 PM
Wow this thread sure got active in the past week :O *wishes she could have been here T_T*
We wish you could have been here too, Salad. :( :hug



Oh and looking at the recent Blu-Ray DVD rankings, it looks like Denyuuden isn't doing that bad after all... I can't seem to find the ratings for the recent episodes though. I do hope it's been on the rise now that the plot has picked up the pace.
Thank you for that info! This info gives me more hope of a second season. :)



Just a little something of interest from Tiir's profile on the official website

Tiir believes he's of a better class than humans XD Interestingly that would mean that he has in some sense accepted that he is not human because he is an Ino Dwei holder... Contrast with Ryner who doesn't really wanna be seen as non-human just because of his eyes.
I took out the spoiler tag because the info inside was shown in episode 19. And yes, it is really interesting to notice how different Tiir and Ryner are. Tiir has accepted he is superior to humans; that’s why he has no qualms or problems killing people. On the other hand, Ryner stills believes himself a human; that’s why he still yearns from the acceptance and affection of other human beings. While it’ll be certainly easier to take Tiir’s road, I mean detaching of all human links and affections and accept you are not a human (Tiir did it since he was a baby, he even killed his own mother as soon as he came into the world); I’m not sure it would be the best thing for an eye bearer. I don’t think hating humans and separating completely from them is the solution either…



Destiny, Coffee, If there's anything you saw that you want translated I could do it so just link me the page or something :)
Thank you very much, Salad! :) I don’t have a specific page, but if you notice any interesting info on the webpage of the series, could you please translate it for us?
http://www.denyuden.jp/index2.html
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I couldn't tell if that was real or if she was faking.
Can you fake blush? http://www.laymark.com/i/o/77.gif (http://www.laymark.com) I know I can’t, but….now I’m really curious if a person can fake blush….



Maybe she did start to have some feelings. I mean a king throwing himself at your feet is not something that occurs everyday.
Yep. And Pink King is not ugly either; he is pretty good looking and has been treating Keifer very nicely. Keifer is no Ferris, so I won’t be surprise if we find Keifer between two “ships”, the Ryner one and the Pink King one.



If I recall correctly, the scene in the earlier parts of the anime flashback, Ryner mentions his name to Milk? Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think he introduced himself as Ryner. However that could have occurred after being taken into the military. So you may be right about that.
I don’t remember that scene, but I do remember Milk meeting Ryner in a war camp (?) and Ryner telling his name to her. And did you notice that Roland Special Training Institute # 307 was very, very similar to the place where Ryner met Milk for the first time? It makes me wonder if Milk was also sent to that Institute and this only increases my hunch that Milk has a special power as well.



Very possible. I figured that since he couldn't find Milk, he went to find Ryner for help. That or Miran proved to be more difficult than he thought. So he needed Ryners help. However the preview showed the fighting so, I guess my idea was not correct. :p
Well…Luke did say he was going to dispose of Ryner, so unless that is a very peculiar way of asking for help http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m024.gif (http://www.laymark.com), I think we can expect a Luke vs. Ryner next episode.


Meh. No Ferris x Ryner.
But their interactions are great; they are so perfect for each other. Tsundere + Napper = Forever happiness. ;)



It must be Ryner x Keifer.
It must be Keifer x Pink King.



I do like both parings though. :xp
Actually we have four pairings

Ferris x Ryner
Keifer x Ryner
Milk x Ryner
Keifer x Pink King

Mmm…it will be interesting to see a diagram of the relationships between the characters, it seems we have a few one-sided loves…



I noticed what you said about Ferris and her Ryner withdrawal symptoms in the episode. :shakefist
:D Well…I’m a shipper so it’s only natural for me to notice the little moments of my favorite ship.

Charlie
November 12, 2010, 08:06 PM
I watched the raw part originally and I think Luke said "shobu" which I thought was a challenge to a match. The subs did say 'dispose of', I forgot about that.

And sure Kiefer can fake blushes (its an anime after all ), I don't want to go off track about girls faking things >>_<<. :paperbag.

I think there could be Milk x Luke too.

destiny4ever
November 12, 2010, 08:20 PM
I watched the raw part originally and I think Luke said "shobu" which I thought was a challenge to a match. The subs did say 'dispose of', I forgot about that.
Considering you got most of the ep correctly, taking “shobu” as challenge/match is not that big of a deal. Tbh, I’m very impressed with your Japanese skills, you are pretty good :cool:, and that’s why I avoid reading your posts about raw eps, because they accurately detail everything that happens in the ep.



And sure Kiefer can fake blushes (its an anime after all )
Good point.



, I don't want to go off track about girls faking things >>_<<. :paperbag.
Lol :XD…I don’t think we’ll see girls faking other things in this anime. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m163.gif (http://www.laymark.com) But yes, that is for another discussion and thread.



I think there could be Milk x Luke too.
Yes, you are right. And that is another one-sided love as well. Although, Milk does have her own harem so we could add more pairings to the list.

~Coffee~
November 13, 2010, 05:41 PM
I think there could be Milk x Luke too.
Dont forget about Ferris X Lucile lol
(Or even Sion X Ryner according to an episode or two, XD)


Well…Luke did say he was going to dispose of Ryner, so unless that is a very peculiar way of asking for help , I think we can expect a Luke vs. Ryner next episode.
And if Luke showed himself so easily then you would think he probably has something already set up, according to the epicness that we saw from him earlier.


This part of the ep made me like Tiir more, I wasn’t a big fan of his last episode but this episode made me realize that Tiir also has a tender and caring side. Just like this part of the ep made Tiir gain points with me, it made me dislike Gastark more. The guys from that place are horrible, in the name of peace and desire to create a better world they are doing so many horrible things.
Ya, I guess it showed that while he is a creepy and evil bastard, he is still trying to do good....

destiny4ever
November 13, 2010, 07:42 PM
Dont forget about Ferris X Lucile lol
http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m077.gif (http://www.laymark.com) Nooo!!! That is not even an option. *shivers at the thought of said pairing*



(Or even Sion X Ryner according to an episode or two, XD)
I do admit that some eps and ED 2 could have given the wrong impression that their friendship was more than just that, but no I don’t support that pairing :p; in any case, Sion x Fiole (iirc Charlie was the first one to notice that pairing).


And if Luke showed himself so easily then you would think he probably has something already set up, according to the epicness that we saw from him earlier.
Awesome observation, Coffee! :cool: Luke is pretty powerful and tricky so Ryner will need to be very alert if he wants to win that fight…maybe it is because Luke turns out to be too much for a sad Ryner that Ferris intervenes in that fight as we saw in the preview.



Ya, I guess it showed that while he is a creepy and evil bastard, he is still trying to do good....
In a way, I think it showed us that there is still good inside of him so there is still hope for him and maybe that’s why that guy with the power to see other people’s dreams (forgot his name) has hope Tiir can be emotionally saved.

saladesu
November 13, 2010, 07:55 PM
http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m077.gif (http://www.laymark.com) Nooo!!! That is not even an option. *shivers at the thought of said pairing*

The Eris family is so screwed up as it is! No more incest needed >< Iris should be on the look-out for the real villainous monster (ie her brother), not Ryner -__-

Sion x Ryner... *snorts* Well I do hope that at the very least they stay friends at the end...

I haven't even watched ep 19 yet but I accidentally saw preview pics for ep 20 on the Denyuuden website already haha. Luke vs Ryner indeed. Luke doesn't seem to agree with Ryner's ideal world, or rather he thinks Ryner's just deluding himself. Which in some sense is true, since there is no ideal world that pleases everyone, since everything comes at the price of something else, but it's still nice to hope and dream and feel like you're doing something by fighting for them...

Charlie
November 13, 2010, 08:32 PM
@salu Chan:

Have you read the novels? If you have, how far did you get or up to which novel(s)?
I have a question regarding a possible spoiler comment on an anime site that aroused my curiosity. Which may not be included in the anime, so I was thinking of asking you via PM.

saladesu
November 15, 2010, 08:04 AM
I finally watched ep 19 hah. I started to like Tiir more this episode too, despite knowing that he killed his mother and everything. And it was ironic that Kiefer found the jewels beautiful, not knowing that they were the crystalised versions of all the eye power holders :/

One question. How did Tiir and the other kids get out of that pinch they were in with Kuu and co on their case? If Tiir's Ino Dwei wasn't able to handle Liir's raijuu (I wonder why), then how'd he manage to get away? :blink

I wonder what will happen of the Luke vs Ryner fight, and what Liir will do too. He could easily take advantage of the situation should Ryner be weakened, and everyone else asleep (though presumably Tiir will wake up or something and come to Ryner's aid).


@salu Chan:

Have you read the novels? If you have, how far did you get or up to which novel(s)?
I have a question regarding a possible spoiler comment on an anime site that aroused my curiosity. Which may not be included in the anime, so I was thinking of asking you via PM.

Salu again lol.

Ehh it's probably useless asking me, I just skipped around and didn't really read ahead of the anime. Sort of like skimmed through the novel parts of what I just watched rather than reading ahead :x And I haven't even had time to do that for the past few eps either... Sorry :(

destiny4ever
November 15, 2010, 12:18 PM
And it was ironic that Kiefer found the jewels beautiful, not knowing that they were the crystalised versions of all the eye power holders :/
I was under the impression Keifer knew that they were crystallized eyes. She has been investigating quite a lot about the different eye powers so I thought she knew what those “jewels” really were and that that was why she went to that room…



One question. How did Tiir and the other kids get out of that pinch they were in with Kuu and co on their case? If Tiir's Ino Dwei wasn't able to handle Liir's raijuu (I wonder why), then how'd he manage to get away? :blink
Excellent question, Salad. :cool: Maybe they will answer said question in the next episodes when Tiir remembers more about his past and tells Ryner more about it.



(though presumably Tiir will wake up or something and come to Ryner's aid).
This I can see happening ^; in fact, iirc correctly I think they showed some scenes of Tiir fighting in the preview. Tiir won’t leave Ryner alone, because 1) he now considers Ryner his nakama and 2) He is definitely going to protect the children inside the house.

Btw, since some relics (heroic weapons) are appearing as the series progresses I thought it would be useful to have a list of them.

Thanks to larethian for the list!



Relic (Owner)
1. Ailuchrono's Scythe (Kuu Orla)
2. Elemio's Comb (Sui Orla; destroyed)
3. Dolueri's Swordscale (Miran Froaude)
4. Ring of the Dark Emperor (Miran Froaude)
5. Ring of the Lightning Beasts (Lir Orla)
6. Glouvil (Refal Edia)
7. Spunkial (Lir Orla)
8. Rachel's Thread (Luke Stokkart)
9. Dragon's Dimension (Sil)
10. Remains of Menos (Zoora Rom)
11. Shipuamus (?)
12. Eruamus (?)
13. Yuuros Eruma (Voice)
14. Derunio x4 (Voice)

Charlie
November 18, 2010, 06:34 PM
Heroes Ep 20 raw.

Luke and Ryner continue from where the last episode ended.
Ryner using his Alpha Stigma found out that there dozens of traps laid on the ground.
Luke manages to pin Ryner down, and Ryner pretty much gave up the fight.
Thinking it would be better if he had died. In came Ferris to kick Ryners butt and save the day.

It’s also reviled that Luke is using a Rule Fragment. There was a flash back of him defeating Miran and having Miran release Milk. Miran then urges Luke to kill Ryner because the “ideal world” that Ryner talks about in his reports will only cause problems for Sion. I think Miran mentions its nothing more than an illusion.

Lir used this opportunity to attack the others.
Lafara dies. The girl that liked Lafra goes out of control in AS mode.
Her eyes were stolen and crystallized by Lir, shes dead.
Luke and Ryners fight are put on hold as Ryner and Ferris go to help the kids.

Lir uses her crystallized eyes to awaken Ryner, similar to what Sui did.
Inside Ryner’s mind, we see another Ryner who has the Alpha Stigma eyes activated, standing in what appears to be some kind room with pillars all around. Ryner manages to block the berserk mode via his strong will power. Which made Lir question what he is, since he prevented his own awakening. Which is a feat nobody is known to have done, or impossible. Ryner replies he is a monster. Ryner gave Tir a boost in power with a lightning spell and asked him to retreat with the kids.

Being out numbered, Lir makes a retreat and says something rather interesting.
Which I could not understand fully but it has something to do with Ryner.
Lir then mentions that if Ryner doesn’t know about it then does it mean the “hero”
hasn’t awoken yet. Which is a rather interesting choice of words.

Luke also left afterward and mumbled something about it being okay if Ryner is differnt from a normal monster. Ryner makes a decision to go back to Roland.
Tir promises to come back for him before taking the kids away or says Ryners place is not with them.

Scene changed to Sion who I think was reading a report by Luke. Lucile appears and has a chat with him. Sion says he won’t kill Ryner and Lucile asks if thats alright? Before leaving I think Lucille tells Sion not to regret anything and I think calls him a “hero”. I couldn't understand some of the language here.

Preview shows Milk, Keifer, Noa and someone mysterious. I could not tell who the last person was. Seems to show some kind of change in Sions face /eye. Which gave an evil creepy vibe.

After thought:

Seems Milk is safe. Keifer seems to be in jail and has undergone interrogation.

Ryner vs Luke

Ryner does things so half assed (fighting or lack there of). He appeared to be capable of defeating Luke. I’m also very impressed by Luke, he is very strong but you can tell he’s not on Ryners level. So troublesome Ryner! Your troublesome! >>>>_<<<<<

As I recall he said the same thing that Lafra said about himself “not wanting to hurt others on be hurt”. Perhaps thats why he does not get serious in fights. So far he hasn’t shown a single instance or power of him being the “strongest” mage of Roland. AS mode not counting.

There were some interesting/ touching lines with Ryner and Ferris in the beginning parts and near the end but who cares about that. Ryner shed some tears because and asked Ferris if its okay with him wanting to live. I think Ferris mentioned something about being lonely without him there. But who cares about that? :p

Charlie only brings forth nothing, saves nothing, blesses nothing, seeks nothing. < my addition there.
(actually I seek Ryner x Keifer *insert evil As mode laugh*)

As girl berserk mode, not so evil sounding.

~Coffee~
November 18, 2010, 06:49 PM
Im curious as to whether or not that they can reattach Claughs arm or what~
Cause he seemed sorta of cool, then just gets his arm ripped off like that... T_T
and with that list of relics, we find that a relic is accountable for at least some of Luke's badass-ness~

After_Image
November 18, 2010, 07:50 PM
Wow, this has got to be one of my favorite episodes (episode 20) as of yet. Even thought it isn't subbed I can tell that Ferris has finally told Ryner how she truly feels about him. The fighting scene was top notch and the interaction between the guy with the ring (can't remember his name) and the others was great too.

Ryner never stops amazing me especially how he was able to keep control at the last minute. I watched this episode twice now of how good it was, now I just have to wait for it to be subbed. :darn

saladesu
November 19, 2010, 06:23 AM
*ignoring Charlie's post and below as usual until after watching the ep~*

I finally managed to find TV ratings after snooping around on 2ch.


0.2% 0.4% 0.3% 0.6% 1.2% 0.8% 0.9% 0.3% 0.4% 0.6%
0.9% 0.6% 0.4% 0.2% 1.0% 0.7% 0.2% 0.7% 0.4% 1.0%
italicized is Iris Report recap episode 15.5
Average thus far: 0.59%

Well... It's not very good, and I'm surprised to see that the latest episodes haven't seen a bigger jump that they have. But ep 19 was 1.0%, which is the series' second highest, so hopefully it will continue to increase from here.

Because I want a second season and I'm sure all of you do, too :crying

destiny4ever
November 19, 2010, 07:02 PM
I must thank Charlie for writing



(actually I seek Ryner x Keifer *insert evil As mode laugh*)

at the end of his post, thanks to that I was expecting some major Ryner x Keifer scenes during this episode, so I was happily surprised when finding out that the whole episode was Ryner x Ferris centered instead. Yesterday when I took a peek at his post that was the bit that caught my attention the most and thanks to that bit I was able to enjoyed ep 20 even more, so thanks Charlie. :hug


Heroes Ep 20 raw.
In came Ferris to kick Ryners butt and save the day.
I absolutely loved that part!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/love-012.gif I especially liked how she kept repeating “Hm? I didn’t see you there” until hearing Ryner’s apology. :XD



It’s also reviled that Luke is using a Rule Fragment.
Rule Fragment? You mean a hero relic, right? And it was also revealed that Luke’s weapon is called “Latsel Thread”.



There was a flash back of him defeating Miran and having Miran release Milk.
And I think it’s worth mentioning just how devoted is Luke to Milk, and thus we have another pairing, one-sided but still, Luke x Milk. I would like to learn more about Luke and Milk’s relationship/friendship.



Lir used this opportunity to attack the others.
Lafara dies. The girl that liked Lafra goes out of control in AS mode.
Her eyes were stolen and crystallized by Lir, shes dead.
That was so sad. :( I wasn’t expecting them to die. Lafra died saving the girl and the children he loved, a true hero. Pink monster (Lir) is horrible http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m051.gif (http://www.laymark.com); he had no qualms about killing children. The more I watch TLOTLH the more I dislike the people from the Pink Country.



Lir uses her crystallized eyes to awaken Ryner, similar to what Sui did.
Inside Ryner’s mind, we see another Ryner who has the Alpha Stigma eyes activated, standing in what appears to be some kind room with pillars all around. Ryner manages to block the berserk mode via his strong will power.
The conversation between Ryner and AS Ryner was awesome. :cool: Now that Ryner is able to control his dark side, he will be frightening powerful. And, yes, I know I’m biased but I couldn’t help but notice that the last image Ryner remembered before blocking his AS transformation was Ferris. :wtf Her words had an amazing impact on him.


Ferris x Ryner ftw!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m015.gif (http://www.laymark.com) So happy, so happy this episode had so many Ferris x Ryner moments.



Ryner gave Tir a boost in power with a lightning spell and asked him to retreat with the kids.
I was so glad and relieved that Tiir was able to retreat and save the kids.



Being out numbered, Lir makes a retreat and says something rather interesting.
Which I could not understand fully but it has something to do with Ryner.
Lir then mentions that if Ryner doesn’t know about it then does it mean the “hero”
hasn’t awoken yet. Which is a rather interesting choice of words.
Lir :“Solver of all formulas. Who would have thought you’d still show up in Roland?”
Ryner: "All formulas?"
Lir: "Wait, you mean you don’t know? You don’t know about yourself?
*laughs* Oh, that’s just rich! Guess that means the hero isn’t complete yet."

I agree, those choice of words are extremely interesting, does this mean AS Ryner hasn’t reached his full power yet? Does this mean Ryner is the reincarnation of a legendary hero?



Preview shows Milk, Keifer, Noa and someone mysterious. I could not tell who the last person was. Seems to show some kind of change in Sions face /eye. Which gave an evil creepy vibe.
You forgot to mention that Noa wasn’t alone ;), Claugh is accompanying her. I guess Noa went to visit Claugh in the hospital. And yes, Sion’s face, especially his smile, was evil and creepy. I’ve been mentioning this for a while now, Sion is not turning back from the dark side, and he will only keep getting deeper and deeper into it.



After thought:

Seems Milk is safe. Keifer seems to be in jail and has undergone interrogation.
I was hoping that since Pink King likes Keifer he wouldn’t allow for her to be tortured, but it seems I was wrong. I do hope someone saves Keifer, she doesn’t deserve to be treated that way. If it is confirmed that Pink King tortured Keifer next episode, I will no longer support Keifer x Pink King and I will start supporting Keifer x Toale.



Ryner vs Luke

Ryner does things so half assed (fighting or lack there of). He appeared to be capable of defeating Luke. I’m also very impressed by Luke, he is very strong but you can tell he’s not on Ryners level. So troublesome Ryner! Your troublesome! >>>>_<<<<<
I was impressed with Luke during the whole episode; he has certainly become one of my favorite TLOTLH boys. He is powerful, smart, kind, brave, and more importantly he didn’t kill Ryner! Luke is just great. :cool:




As I recall he said the same thing that Lafra said about himself “not wanting to hurt others on be hurt”. Perhaps thats why he does not get serious in fights.
I do think that is because he doesn’t want to hurt others and because he fears turning into AS Ryner that he doesn’t fight with all he has.



So far he hasn’t shown a single instance or power of him being the “strongest” mage of Roland. AS mode not counting.
Mmm…I thought people referred to him as the “strongest mage of Roland” because he was an AS…



There were some interesting/ touching lines with Ryner and Ferris in the beginning parts and near the end but who cares about that.
Who cares about that? I do! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m057.gif (http://www.laymark.com) *raises hand*



Ryner shed some tears because and asked Ferris if its okay with him wanting to live. I think Ferris mentioned something about being lonely without him there. But who cares about that? :p
Who cares about that? I do! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m057.gif (http://www.laymark.com) *raises hand*



Charlie only brings forth nothing, saves nothing, blesses nothing, seeks nothing. < my addition there.
(actually I seek Ryner x Keifer *insert evil As mode laugh*)
As girl berserk mode, not so evil sounding.
LOL :XD That was priceless.
[hr]

Im curious as to whether or not that they can reattach Claughs arm or what~
Cause he seemed sorta of cool, then just gets his arm ripped off like that... T_T
Great point, Coffee!:cool: According to the preview, they were able to re-attach Claugh’s arm. If I saw correctly, he was hugging Noa with two arms. And this reminds me of what others fans have been theorizing about, they have been theorizing that Claugh’s arm (the one with which he fights and kills) is not his real arm but that it belonged to someone else. Mmmm…I’m really curious about Claugh’s arm and power, I would like to know how he got that power. Was he born with it? Did he get it from someone else?

<.Haruka.>
November 19, 2010, 07:11 PM
Densetsu no Yūsha no Densetsu ep. 20 english subs are up (http://www.animecrazy.net/the-legend-of-the-legendary-heroes-episode-20/) now :)

More (magical) fight scenes on the first part of the episode looks really cool.

destiny4ever
November 19, 2010, 07:26 PM
As I told you yesterday, it is very nice to see you in this thread, AI. :)


Even thought it isn't subbed I can tell that Ferris has finally told Ryner how she truly feels about him.
She didn't confess to him yet, but considering she is a tsundere I think her words are the close it can comes up to a confession. :) But since this is an anime, I have the feeling Ryner didn’t realize that was a confession, but at least he now is 100% sure of how important he is to Ferris. ^_^



Ryner never stops amazing me especially how he was able to keep control at the last minute.
Ryner is incredible! :cool: I can’t wait to see him in action now that he is able to control AS Ryner.


I <3 Ryner!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m016.gif (http://www.laymark.com) He is my favorite TLOTLH boy. He is awesome.



I watched this episode twice now of how good it was, now I just have to wait for it to be subbed. :darn
Have you already watched the subbed version, AI? :)
[hr]


I finally managed to find TV ratings after snooping around on 2ch.

0.2% 0.4% 0.3% 0.6% 1.2% 0.8% 0.9% 0.3% 0.4% 0.6%
0.9% 0.6% 0.4% 0.2% 1.0% 0.7% 0.2% 0.7% 0.4% 1.0%
italicized is Iris Report recap episode 15.5
Average thus far: 0.59%

Well... It's not very good, and I'm surprised to see that the latest episodes haven't seen a bigger jump that they have. But ep 19 was 1.0%, which is the series' second highest, so hopefully it will continue to increase from here.

Because I want a second season and I'm sure all of you do, too :crying
Thank you for the info, Salad! :) I hope the ratings get better in the next episodes; this is one of my favorite anime series so I would love to have a second season of it. I’m not sure but it seems the anime has covered the first 5 or 6 volumes of the novel so I guess there is still more than enough novel material for a second season. Plus, I really want to know what happens with all the characters after this season ends.
[hr]

Densetsu no Yūsha no Densetsu ep. 20 english subs are up (http://www.animecrazy.net/the-legend-of-the-legendary-heroes-episode-20/) now :)

More (magical) fight scenes on the first part of the episode looks really cool.
Welcome to this thread, Sakura-chan! :) It’s good to see more people joining this thread. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m208.gif (http://www.laymark.com) And I agree, the fight scenes during this episode were great. :cool: May I ask who is/are your favorite TLOTLH character/s?

Charlie
November 19, 2010, 08:19 PM
Rule Fragment? You mean a hero relic, right? And it was also revealed that Luke’s weapon is called “Latsel Thread”.


Yeah, I watched the subs. I couldnt understand the name in the raw + translate it, so I could not say what it was called. :p



The conversation between Ryner and AS Ryner was awesome. :cool: Now that Ryner is able to control his dark side, he will be frightening powerful. And, yes, I know I’m biased but I couldn’t help but notice that the last image Ryner remembered before blocking his AS transformation was Ferris. :wtf Her words had an amazing impact on him.

No don't ship them~~~~~~~~~~~~ :scry


Ferris x Ryner ftw!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m015.gif (http://www.laymark.com) So happy, so happy this episode had so many Ferris x Ryner moments.

:faint~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ :(



I was so glad and relieved that Tiir was able to retreat and save the kids.


Lir :“Solver of all formulas. Who would have thought you’d still show up in Roland?”
Ryner: "All formulas?"
Lir: "Wait, you mean you don’t know? You don’t know about yourself?
*laughs* Oh, that’s just rich! Guess that means the hero isn’t complete yet."

I agree, those choice of words are extremely interesting, does this mean AS Ryner hasn’t reached his full power yet? Does this mean Ryner is the reincarnation of a legendary hero?

Yep glad to hear that Tir managed to escape and that everyone had not died. Stealing the "eyes" were much simpler that I thought it would be. Although the extraction process appears to be simple, its still done in a gross, cruel and painful way. Here, we're also being told about a "hero" again.

The first time I believe it was mentioned was when Keifer was reading up on the "cursed eyes". I also noticed Lucile calling Sion his "hero". I think des chan made a guess as to who they could be in the previous epi 17. You might be on to something here des chan. Since these name are being repeated.
Goddess = Milk
Hero = Sion
Lonely demon = Ryner

-Ryners AS Eyes-

I think it means that Ryners eyes are more than what it seems and we haven't seen what it can do yet. If it is special or different than the normal Alpha Stigmas, it could explain why he can return to normal after going berserk.



You forgot to mention that Noa wasn’t alone ;), Claugh is accompanying her. I guess Noa went to visit Claugh in the hospital. And yes, Sion’s face, especially his smile, was evil and creepy. I’ve been mentioning this for a while now, Sion is not turning back from the dark side, and he will only keep getting deeper and deeper into it.

I didn't forget it. I just didn't mention it :kukuku < for a lack of smiley.



I was hoping that since Pink King likes Keifer he wouldn’t allow for her to be tortured, but it seems I was wrong. I do hope someone saves Keifer, she doesn’t deserve to be treated that way. If it is confirmed that Pink King tortured Keifer next episode, I will no longer support Keifer x Pink King and I will start supporting Keifer x Toale.


I was impressed with Luke during the whole episode; he has certainly become one of my favorite TLOTLH boys. He is powerful, smart, kind, brave, and more importantly he didn’t kill Ryner! Luke is just great. :cool:

Well I assume she is being questioned because she reacted to Ryners name.
So they probably thought she was a spy or something. Her clothes only seemed to be ripped, perhaps she wasn't really tortured. That or it was toned down for the anime. Perhaps more happened in the novels. :darn

I would doubt that since the king is so into her, anything seriously bad would take place. I agree on Luke as well.



I do think that is because he doesn’t want to hurt others and because he fears turning into AS Ryner that he doesn’t fight with all he has.
Mmm…I thought people referred to him as the “strongest mage of Roland” because he was an AS…

I was thinking more in-terms of military training. Although I suppose it cant be discounted from the use of the Alpha Stigma. I was thinking in the lines of preforming magic (none AS), hand to hand fighting and all that Jazz.



Who cares about that? I do! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m057.gif (http://www.laymark.com) *raises hand*
Who cares about that? I do! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m057.gif (http://www.laymark.com) *raises hand*


Gahhhhhhhhh :( You're already sold on Ryner x Ferris. :scry




Well... It's not very good, and I'm surprised to see that the latest episodes haven't seen a bigger jump that they have. But ep 19 was 1.0%, which is the series' second highest, so hopefully it will continue to increase from here.

Because I want a second season and I'm sure all of you do, too :crying

It must be bad timing because the last few episodes have been great. The story is great to watch. Sad to see the ratings are not higher. Lets hope that it continues do better. :worship

destiny4ever
November 19, 2010, 09:56 PM
No don't ship them~~~~~~~~~~~~ :scry
No, don’t cry. :( It’s just their interactions are so cool, and they have naturally grown close to each other throughout the series, and they support, protect and need each other. And they are funny together and well…many more reasons, so I couldn’t help but ship them. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m163.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



:faint~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ :(
No, Charlie is sad again. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m033.gif (http://www.laymark.com) Okay, okay, I’m willing to consider jumping ships if you tell me why should I ship Ryner x Keifer? Like what are the reasons you like that pairing?



Stealing the "eyes" were much simpler that I thought it would be. Although the extraction process appears to be simple, its still done in a gross, cruel and painful way.
QFT. I was very sad when watching how Pink Monster extracted the crystal from the girl. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m167.gif (http://www.laymark.com)
I guess the only silver lining is the fact that the extraction is done in such a rapid manner that the bearer doesn’t feel any pain.



The first time I believe it was mentioned was when Keifer was reading up on the "cursed eyes". I also noticed Lucile calling Sion his "hero". I think des chan made a guess as to who they could be in the previous epi 17. You might be on to something here des chan. Since these name are being repeated.

Goddess = Milk
Hero = Sion
Lonely demon = Ryner

Thank you for reminding me about that, I had forgotten about it. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m048.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

Now that I see the list, I would like to make some changes to it:

Goddess = Milk
Hero = Ryner
Lonely Demon = Sion



-Ryners AS Eyes-

I think it means that Ryners eyes are more than what it seems and we haven't seen what it can do yet. If it is special or different than the normal Alpha Stigmas, it could explain why he can return to normal after going berserk.
Interesting points…mmm…the more I think about it, the more I think Ryner is the reincarnation of a hero or something like that. Ryner is special no doubt about that.



I didn't forget it. I just didn't mention it :kukuku < for a lack of smiley.
I was wondering how you could have forgotten such a scene. ;) Glad to know you didn't.



Well I assume she is being questioned because she reacted to Ryners name.
So they probably thought she was a spy or something. Her clothes only seemed to be ripped, perhaps she wasn't really tortured.
Just having your clothes ripped is enough torture for a girl, and she seemed a bit bruised. :( Poor Keifer, I really hope she wasn’t beaten.



That or it was toned down for the anime. Perhaps more happened in the novels. :darn
If it was, I’m certain fans will comment it and if they don’t, I will ask about that.



I would doubt that since the king is so into her, anything seriously bad would take place.
Pink people is so crazy, that I’m not that sure about him preventing Keifer from being seriously hurt.



I agree on Luke as well.
Yay! We agree on something :) (since we don’t agree about ships…http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys%20Summer/1sm449sailing.gif)




I was thinking more in-terms of military training. Although I suppose it cant be discounted from the use of the Alpha Stigma. I was thinking in the lines of preforming magic (none AS), hand to hand fighting and all that Jazz.
Mmm…well…he has shown some signs of being a powerful mage, for instance when he easily rejected that magic spell Milk sent to him in the dragon ep.


Gahhhhhhhhh :( You're already sold on Ryner x Ferris. :scry

Don’t cry. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/therethere.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) As I said, tell me why I should join your ship and I might do it. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m163.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

Charlie
November 19, 2010, 10:08 PM
@Des:

Hmm.. I cant think of a convincing reason. I don't know really... for some reason I like Keifer. Perhaps it could something mundane as her being introduced first. It could be because of her making her feelings clear to Ryner.

You dont have to jump "ships". :hug

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys%20Summer/1sm449sailing.gif
I like Ferris x Ryner too but I just have the preference over her.

destiny4ever
November 19, 2010, 11:00 PM
@Des:

Hmm.. I cant think of a convincing reason. I don't know really... for some reason I like Keifer. Perhaps it could something mundane as her being introduced first. It could be because of her making her feelings clear to Ryner.
Actually I think your reasons are pretty convincing. In fact, as I mentioned it before, at the beginning of the series I shipped Ryner x Keifer. But then Ferris appeared and Keifer took a long vacation, and one of the things that makes me ship a pairing are the interactions between the characters. Maybe if Keifer hadn’t gone MIA I would have been still rooting for Keifer x Ryner. Another reason why I like Ryner x Ferris…


It’s because I know Ryner x Ferris becomes stronger and even better as the story progresses. Yes, I was weak and took a peek at wiki and I have also been visiting a site where they talk about the novels.



You dont have to jump "ships". :hug
Thank you. :hug I was starting to feel guilty about betraying my ship. http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys%20Summer/1sm449sailing.gif



I like Ferris x Ryner too but I just have the preference over her.
Well…on the bright side, at least we agree on some characters as individuals. :) (For instance about Luke).
[hr]
Thanks to Defade for the translation!

He translated some conversation snippets between Ryner and Tiir that was cut/simplified in the anime:

http://defade.livejournal.com/346304.html#cutid2
http://defade.livejournal.com/346537.html#cutid1

Defade: As you can probably tell, I skipped out all the narratives and just translated the dialogue.

I have been searching for info about the novels, but I haven’t read info that is ahead of the anime, so I don’t know a lot (I only know a little bit about my favorite TLOTL pairing) of what is going to happen next.

After reading that conversation between Ryner and Tiir, I not only understand Tiir better but I actually like him better. And there was some very interesting bits of info that it hasn’t been mentioned in the anime yet, maybe because they are going to mention it in the next eps.

shaheer
November 20, 2010, 10:11 AM
i dun know ...would really hate it if ryner goes all goody goody and comes back to save shion and fall for some one(feris or keifer).... but i now that s not possible...i kind a know the story ...read off ppls comment abt the novel see....
he would have been a great bad ass kind a hero....what i really dun like abt him is his constant laid back attitude.... ya i salute his laziness..... i am a bird of same feathers .... but some times you need to get serious in a fight and smash and crash the hell out....all the time i see ryner using the nonsense lightning magic and the earth spell that makes him really fast....

makes me wanna question if he is really all that great without that berserk mode of his......
and he is supposed to have half the essence of a demon called the lonely one... show some demoniac kills on your part and not when you get berserk...he is more like a usual i shall save every one kind a hero......

Light was only one of a kind....rest are dream boys ... dreaming Utopian nonsense.......

~Coffee~
November 20, 2010, 04:41 PM
Actually I think your reasons are pretty convincing. In fact, as I mentioned it before, at the beginning of the series I shipped Ryner x Keifer. But then Ferris appeared and Keifer took a long vacation, and one of the things that makes me ship a pairing are the interactions between the characters. Maybe if Keifer hadn’t gone MIA I would have been still rooting for Keifer x Ryner. Another reason why I like Ryner x Ferris…

I think Keifer sank her ship back when she freaked out when Ryner lost control~


Light was only one of a kind....rest are dream boys ... dreaming Utopian nonsense.......
What exactly are you trying to say about Light??


- Anyways, ep 20 reconfirms that Luke is badass, as he totally gets the better of Froaude and then lures Ryner into walking straight into a normal trap by placing magic traps on the sides~

And Lir is starting to irritate me~ Know-it-all with this uber crystal orb that is like instant death for the people with eye powers and also instantly nullifies hero relics.....broken

destiny4ever
November 20, 2010, 08:08 PM
he would have been a great bad ass kind a hero....what i really dun like abt him is his constant laid back attitude.... ya i salute his laziness..... i am a bird of same feathers .... but some times you need to get serious in a fight and smash and crash the hell out....
Again, I know I’m extremely biased since I <3 Ryner, but I think his lazy attitude has a lot to do with the fact that he has always been afraid of losing control and turning into AS Ryner, he has always been afraid of turning into a monster and hurting the people dear to him; so that is why he hasn’t fought with 100% seriousness and with his 100% strength yet. I think blaming his lack of motivation solely on his laziness is in a way not taking into consideration all the emotional scars he has. In fact, I truly think his lack of motivation comes from those emotional scars rather than from his laziness.



makes me wanna question if he is really all that great without that berserk mode of his......
I haven’t read info about the novels ahead of the anime so I don’t know for sure, but I do think we haven’t seen Ryner full potencial yet, and I’m referring to both when he is not in AS mode and when he is in AS mode.



Light was only one of a kind....rest are dream boys ... dreaming Utopian nonsense.......
You mean Light from Death Note?


I think Keifer sank her ship back when she freaked out when Ryner lost control~
Thank you for giving me another reason for loving Ferris x Ryner, Coffee. :wtf Keifer and Ferris’ reactions to AS Ryner were so different, of course this also has to do with the girls’ personalities and with the circumstances surrounding each event; but either way, I’m so glad Ferris reacted in the way she did.



- Anyways, ep 20 reconfirms that Luke is badass, as he totally gets the better of Froaude and then lures Ryner into walking straight into a normal trap by placing magic traps on the sides~
ITA! Luke is awesome! :cool:



And Lir is starting to irritate me~ Know-it-all with this uber crystal orb that is like instant death for the people with eye powers and also instantly nullifies hero relics.....broken
You mentioning this made me wonder about Lir’s weakness, what could be his weak point? Because he must have one, right?
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Thanks to Defade for the info!


And good news: Denyuuden is ranked at 9th in this month's newtype poll. Maaaaaaaaaaaybe we can get a 2nd season if this keeps up.

求めるは大伝>>アニメ化!

Destiny: I really hope we get a second season.

~Coffee~
November 20, 2010, 08:11 PM
You mentioning this made me wonder what Lir’s weakness is, because he must have one, right?
You would think, but he has that epic ring and the orb (that I know of anyway, he could have other things as well, considering that it seems he knows the secrets behind everything and has access to tons of those crystals.)
It seems like you would have to out tactic him, so Luke seems like he would be the perfect type of guy to kick his ass~.

Anyways near the ending of the episode Lir mentions "solver of all equations" or something along those lines at Ryner... this makes me think that either he was talking about the Specific Skills of the Alpha Stigma or worse, that he knows that Ryner isn't just a normal Alpha Stigma bearer..... Which makes Lir even MOOAR broken cause that tells me that he had a plan to counter if Ryner lost control......

destiny4ever
November 20, 2010, 08:23 PM
You would think, but he has that epic ring and the orb (that I know of anyway, he could have other things as well, considering that it seems he knows the secrets behind everything and has access to tons of those crystals.)
Well he has access to those “crystals” because Gastark has been hunting and killing a lot of the bearers (they were the ones who killed Tiir’s friends, including children) and he knows about the secrets because it seems Gastark has been doing some research about the bearers for some time now, that is why Keifer found information about Ryner and the other eye bearers in Gastark.



It seems like you would have to out tactic him, so Luke seems like he would be the perfect type of guy to kick his ass~.
Mmmm…Luke vs. Kir…I would love to see that! I would def. be rooting for Luke to pwn Lir.



Anyways near the ending of the episode Lir mentions "solver of all equations" or something along those lines at Ryner... this makes me think that either he was talking about the Specific Skills of the Alpha Stigma or worse, that he knows that Ryner isn't just a normal Alpha Stigma bearer..... Which makes Lir even MOOAR broken cause that tells me that he had a plan to counter if Ryner lost control......
I don’t think he had a plan to counter AS Ryner nor did he have a plan to counter Ryner being able to control AS, he seemed genuinely surprised when Ryner stopped the transformation. I think Lir was referring about the skills and powers of the Alpha Stigma. And of course Lir knows Ryner is not a normal AS, since regular ASs die after losing control.

~Coffee~
November 20, 2010, 08:47 PM
Well he has access to those “crystals” because Gastark has been hunting and killing a lot of the bearers (they were the ones who killed Tiir’s friends, including children) and he knows about the secrets because it seems Gastark has been doing some research about the bearers for some time now, that is why Keifer found information about Ryner and the other eye bearers in Gastark.

And with those he can force the bearers to go out of control, then use that ~death orb~ to snatch n run~


I don’t think he had a plan to counter AS Ryner nor did he have a plan to counter Ryner being able to control AS, he seemed genuinely surprised when Ryner stopped the transformation. I think Lir was referring about the skills and powers of the Alpha Stigma. And of course Lir knows Ryner is not a normal AS, since regular ASs die after losing control.
Well he was surprised that Ryner stopped changing and blew up the other crystal. I agree~ And after rewatching that part, Ill have to change my opinion, it does seem like Lir was just referring to the eyes.

~ but Ryners confusion is weird~ He knows that his eyes copy magic, so he should have figured it out when Lir called him, 'solver of all formulas', but I guess that could just be one of those "Ignorant Anime Character Moments."

aaaand Ferris new clothing is teh hot~

destiny4ever
November 20, 2010, 09:00 PM
And with those he can force the bearers to go out of control,
You mentioning this made me realize that it takes one eye (crystallized but still) to call another eye, it seems one of the powers of the eyes is being able to call other eyes with the same or similar power.



then use that ~death orb~ to snatch n run~
I thought the “death orb” was a crystallized eye…mmm…I might need to rewatch that part.



~ but Ryners confusion is weird~ He knows that his eyes copy magic, so he should have figured it out when Lir called him, 'solver of all formulas', but I guess that could just be one of those "Ignorant Anime Character Moments."
Tbh, I’m just as confused as Ryner…if I understood you correctly, you think Lir called him “solver of all formulas” because Ryner is able to copy all kind of magic?

I actually thought Ryner’s confusion was quite natural, I mean, he doesn’t know much about him (like about his real name, about his parents, where he comes from, etc.) or his eyes. Maybe I’m wrong but I think there was little information in Roland about “the eyes”, Gastark is the country who had the most information about them. So it’s only natural for Ryner to not know much about himself.



aaaand Ferris new clothing is teh hot~
Yes, she looks very pretty in her new clothes. ^^

shaheer
November 20, 2010, 11:01 PM
hey there Des-nee and cofeeeeee how are you guys

he has always been afraid of turning into a monster and hurting the people dear to him; so that is why he hasn’t fought with 100% seriousness and with his 100% strength yet

so I don’t know for sure, but I do think we haven’t seen Ryner full potencial yet
des nee Luke and ryner fights...and it takes luke less than 5 mins to beat up ryner to a point where ryner gives up his hope to live......


You mean Light from Death Note?
yup:amuse

that LIght was deadly..... bad ass ... aint like the rest of guys who dreams of a utopian world...Light dreamt of a world and he made it possible .... eliminating every obstacle even the fabled L in the way.....
If Ryner is as strong as they make him up to be.strongest Mage... then i want him to use such power to kick ass...not cower behind or signal his tag mate Ferris and : we will take him together kind a thing....
that aint cool

What exactly are you trying to say about Light??

~Coffee~
November 21, 2010, 04:38 PM
I thought the “death orb” was a crystallized eye…mmm…I might need to rewatch that part.

I thought it was a relic that the anime hasnt really gone over yet~



Tbh, I’m just as confused as Ryner…if I understood you correctly, you think Lir called him “solver of all formulas” because Ryner is able to copy all kind of magic?

I guess it could be a translation thing, it seems more obvious after translated into english, perhaps. And yes I was making an assumption that he was talking about copying magic when he called him Solver of Formulas~



Yes, she looks very pretty in her new clothes. ^^

It almost looks like Christmas styled clothing, XD.





that LIght was deadly..... bad ass ... aint like the rest of guys who dreams of a utopian world...Light dreamt of a world and he made it possible .... eliminating every obstacle even the fabled L in the way.....

But, Light FAILED in the end~

A better example in my eyes = Lelouche~

shaheer
November 22, 2010, 03:19 AM
But, Light FAILED in the end~

NOT HIS FAULT...it was that Dumbo who messed things up at the end.....
what i am trying to draw is if yuo want a world make it ...instead of depending on other like shion will make this world and i ll sleep......

destiny4ever
November 22, 2010, 01:22 PM
hey there Des-nee and cofeeeeee how are you guys
Hi Shaheer! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m057.gif (http://www.laymark.com) I’m okay, very glad to see you posting in this thread. :) The more the merrier!



des nee Luke and ryner fights...and it takes luke less than 5 mins to beat up ryner to a point where ryner gives up his hope to live......
Because Ryner wasn’t truly fighting, he was just trying to defend himself; he had no intention of hurting Luke. Luke, on the other hand, had all the intention of pwing Ryner. And yes he gave up, but he did it because he thought it was better if he died, he was very broken inside at that moment.



that LIght was deadly..... bad ass ... aint like the rest of guys who dreams of a utopian world...Light dreamt of a world and he made it possible .... eliminating every obstacle even the fabled L in the way.....
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. Light and Ryner are so very different that I don’t think we can truly compare them. In fact, I think Light is more similar to Pink King than to Ryner.



If Ryner is as strong as they make him up to be.strongest Mage... then i want him to use such power to kick ass...not cower behind or signal his tag mate Ferris and : we will take him together kind a thing....
that aint cool
Again, I think we can’t analyze why Ryner doesn’t fight with his full potential without taking into consideration his traumatizing past and emotional scars. I know you want to see him in action, I want to see him in action as well and judging by the emotional growth he had last episode I have high hopes we will see him in action very soon.
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I thought it was a relic that the anime hasnt really gone over yet~
Mmm…I think you might be right Coffee. According to the relics list I posted some posts ago, Lir has two hero relics, and the death orb might be one of them…I really need to re-watch that part of the ep.



I guess it could be a translation thing, it seems more obvious after translated into english, perhaps. And yes I was making an assumption that he was talking about copying magic when he called him Solver of Formulas~
Mmm…that is a very intestion theory, Coffee. :cool: I wonder if only Ryner’s AS is able to copy magic or if every AS is able to do it as well.



It almost looks like Christmas styled clothing, XD.
Chirstmas :XD, but tbh, I don’t see how her clothes look Christmassy. Btw, are you a Ferris or Keifer fan, Coffee? Or you like both?



A better example in my eyes = Lelouche~
Mmm…you know, I mentioned it a couple of times in this thread, especially at the very beginning of how AS Ryner reminded me of Lelouche from Code Geass.
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what i am trying to draw is if yuo want a world make it ...instead of depending on other like shion will make this world and i ll sleep......
Mmm…that is a pretty good point. Hopefully after that emotional growth we saw the last ep, Ryner finally has the necessary motivation to take things more seriously.

~Coffee~
November 22, 2010, 07:19 PM
hey there Des-nee and cofeeeeee how are you guys
- Hey Hey, hows it going~?


I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. Light and Ryner are so very different that I don’t think we can truly compare them. In fact, I think Light is more similar to Pink King than to Ryner.
- I thought he was talking about Pink King~


Mmm…that is a very intestion theory, Coffee. I wonder if only Ryner’s AS is able to copy magic or if every AS is able to do it as well.
- Well I wasn't thinking that he could copy magic and other AS's couldn't. (Didn't earlier in the series they confirm that all AS users could copy magic.)
- What I was trying to say was about Ryners confusion when he was called 'Solver of Formulas' because he knows about his own ability to copy magic, so shouldnt he realize that is what Lir talking about...


Chirstmas , but tbh, I don’t see how her clothes look Christmassy. Btw, are you a Ferris or Keifer fan, Coffee? Or you like both?
- Watch the ending sequence, I believe at the very beginning it shows her with those clothes on, and it looks like a santa suit~ XD (to me anyways~)
- And as I was trying to point out with my "Keifer sunk her ship a long time ago" comment earlier, I would probably be a Ferris Fan... (I'm always a sucker for a girl who can kick my ass~)

*Also, sorry for making you edit parts of my post into Spoilers, I will keep this in mind and be more thoughtful of spoilers in future posts.*

destiny4ever
November 23, 2010, 04:52 PM
- I thought he was talking about Pink King~
If I’m not mistaken, he was referring about Ryner. That is why I said Light is more similar to Pink King than to Ryner.



- Well I wasn't thinking that he could copy magic and other AS's couldn't. (Didn't earlier in the series they confirm that all AS users could copy magic.)
Tbh, I don’t remember. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m003.gif (http://www.laymark.com) I remember Ryner giving chibi AS (the little boy he and Ferris rescued from those evil mages) some lessons about magic and AS powers but I don’t remember if chibi AS was able to copy magic or not…



- What I was trying to say was about Ryners confusion when he was called 'Solver of Formulas' because he knows about his own ability to copy magic, so shouldnt he realize that is what Lir talking about...
But that is if Lir was really referring to his ability to copy magic when he called him “Solver of all of Formulas”, there is also the possibility Lir was referring to something else and that is why Ryner was confused about Lir calling him that way.



- Watch the ending sequence, I believe at the very beginning it shows her with those clothes on, and it looks like a santa suit~ XD (to me anyways~)
You are totally right! :XD Santa Ferris ftw! I usually skip the ending because…well….because it focuses to much on Ryner and Sion bromance…



- And as I was trying to point out with my "Keifer sunk her ship a long time ago" comment earlier, I would probably be a Ferris Fan... (I'm always a sucker for a girl who can kick my ass~)
Yay! :) Another Ferris fan. :hi5 I wasn’t too fond of her at the beginning because she kept hitting poor Ryner but then I finally understood that was her way to show her love for him. ;) :D



*Also, sorry for making you edit parts of my post into Spoilers, I will keep this in mind and be more thoughtful of spoilers in future posts.*
NP and thank you. ^_^
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A bit of info from the novels:

Thanks to larethian for the info!



To provide some background not explained in the anime, Izuchi is a moderately damaging but yet non-lethal spell. Like I mentioned before, Ryner cannot be considered to be at his best unless he has intention to kill. And he has no intention to do so, that's why he keeps firing Izuchi. Kurenai is also mid-level but has AOE, and Misumi is weak but fastest to cast.

~Coffee~
November 23, 2010, 05:47 PM
Tbh, I don’t remember. I remember Ryner giving chibi AS (the little boy he and Ferris rescued from those evil mages) some lessons about magic and AS powers but I don’t remember if chibi AS was able to copy magic or not…
- Well, if I remember correctly, (maybe even a few times) people identified Ryner as an AS user because he copied magic... then when Keifer was researching she mentioned that they can see how magic is done and figure it out, these tell me that all AS users can copy magic~


You are totally right! Santa Ferris ftw! I usually skip the ending because…well….because it focuses to much on Ryner and Sion bromance…

- Ya, I know~ I started freaking out during that bed scene in that one episode....

saladesu
November 23, 2010, 10:40 PM
I'm a Ryner x Ferris shipper too :hurr Looks like you're all alone on your ship, Charlie~

All Alpha Stigma can copy magic. Rather, that is essentially the power of Alpha Stigma. This was explained in the novels, and I actually posted it before, so I shall copy it again~

- Magic in Denyuuden works by the manipulation of atoms (hmm sounds a bit FMA-ish) and Alpha Stigma works by instantly understanding the manipulation such that the AS holder can manipulate them in the same way to the same effect, while Ino Dwei just uh, absorbs the atoms. Since humans are also made of atoms, they can also be absorbed/swallowed.

I think the reason why Ryner was shocked at being called "solver of all formulas" might be because he doesn't know how his AS works. Perhaps he knows he can copy magic (since he does it), but doesn't know why or how he does it. Or that there is a "formula" to magic. After all, this is the man who sleeps in all his lessons or doesn't go for them altogether, that we are talking about here XD Even if all this was explained in class he probably doesn't know it :D

~Coffee~
November 23, 2010, 11:24 PM
I think the reason why Ryner was shocked at being called "solver of all formulas" might be because he doesn't know how his AS works. Perhaps he knows he can copy magic (since he does it), but doesn't know why or how he does it. Or that there is a "formula" to magic. After all, this is the man who sleeps in all his lessons or doesn't go for them altogether, that we are talking about here XD Even if all this was explained in class he probably doesn't know it
- Ah good point, so his intelligence is brought into question, hahaha

saladesu
November 23, 2010, 11:27 PM
- Ah good point, so his intelligence is brought into question, hahaha

Naw, I'm sure Ryner is intelligent :XD He's just lazy plus he didn't want to stand out. It's more about how much attention he pays in class or how many classes he even does attend~ Can't blame the guy if he never got to hear Magic 101 because he never went to class, right? :cookiehand (of course all teachers around the world would disagree with me haha)

thornofcarrion
November 23, 2010, 11:31 PM
Haven't read any book though I want them so badly. Anyway, relating to anime, its been awesome. I really liked it and I thank destiny for recommending it to me.

About recent episodes, Tiia was showed as a fearsome monster few episodes ago. Yet he looked quite ordinary when he faced Lir Orla. Rule Fragment must be very strong but somehow it didn't feel correct how Tiia lost to him.

shaheer
November 24, 2010, 12:03 AM
I think the reason why Ryner was shocked at being called "solver of all formulas" might be because he doesn't know how his AS works.
well the reason will be made clear in the later parts...lets just assert on the evident : his As aint the one of the normal ones.
and in the upcoming war...........
nah i wouldnt spoil it for any one but just as a teaser : we will see the full extent of ryners eye and the name Formula solver just might :D make sense then....
i mean we already know right that the AS deciphers the magics that are casted and can thus help the user to copy it... that s one kind of formula solving...magical formula solving.... but the greater meaning is what we all should be waiting for.....
i know sth abt it cuz i knew some folks who ve read the novel

destiny4ever
November 24, 2010, 06:07 PM
- Well, if I remember correctly, (maybe even a few times) people identified Ryner as an AS user because he copied magic... then when Keifer was researching she mentioned that they can see how magic is done and figure it out, these tell me that all AS users can copy magic~
Then you are right, one of the abilities of all AS bearers must be being able to copy magic. Mmm…this makes me wonder if Ryner could copy Tiir’s “magic”…



- Ya, I know~ I started freaking out during that bed scene in that one episode....
The bed scene was fine I guess; they were fully clothed…on the other hand, during the ending…there is a part and maybe it is just me but during said part it seems like both Ryner and Sion could use a few more clothes http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m003.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

~Coffee~
November 24, 2010, 06:15 PM
Hahaha - during the bed scene I even let out a loud "NO" because for a quick second I thought it was gonna turn out to be a Yaoi series, XD~

And I rewatched some of my favorite episodes last night, and from like EP 4 it is revealed that he had some type of special AS as in the voice in his head says something along the line of "Whats this? The contract is different...."
- This also makes it sound like there is 1 entity behind multiple AS users~

destiny4ever
November 24, 2010, 06:27 PM
I'm a Ryner x Ferris shipper too :hurr
yay! :) Welcome to the Ryner x Ferris ship, Salad. :hi5 ^_^



All Alpha Stigma can copy magic. Rather, that is essentially the power of Alpha Stigma.
So being able to copy magic is the only power AS has?



This was explained in the novels, and I actually posted it before, so I shall copy it again~

- Magic in Denyuuden works by the manipulation of atoms (hmm sounds a bit FMA-ish) and Alpha Stigma works by instantly understanding the manipulation such that the AS holder can manipulate them in the same way to the same effect, while Ino Dwei just uh, absorbs the atoms. Since humans are also made of atoms, they can also be absorbed/swallowed.

Thank you for copying it again. :) I’ve forgotten about that info. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m048.gif (http://www.laymark.com) So Ryner can’t copy Tiir’s “magic”, since Ryner manipulates the atoms and Tiir, on the other hand, absorbs them. Mmm…but since humans are also made of atoms…does this mean Ryner can manipulate a person’s body? Could this mean Ryner can make a human boy move as he pleases?



I think the reason why Ryner was shocked at being called "solver of all formulas" might be because he doesn't know how his AS works. Perhaps he knows he can copy magic (since he does it), but doesn't know why or how he does it. Or that there is a "formula" to magic.
True, true and I agree. In all actuality, Ryner knows or remembers very little about himself, like about his real name, his parents, in short, about his past before being recruited by Roland to become a killing machine.



After all, this is the man who sleeps in all his lessons or doesn't go for them altogether, that we are talking about here XD Even if all this was explained in class he probably doesn't know it :D
Well that too. :XD
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Hahaha - during the bed scene I even let out a loud "NO" because for a quick second I thought it was gonna turn out to be a Yaoi series, XD~
Destiny’s reaction to a possible Sion x Ryner: http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m077.gif (http://www.laymark.com) Nooo!!! Ryner belongs with Ferris. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m208.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



And I rewatched some of my favorite episodes last night, and from like EP 4 it is revealed that he had some type of special AS as in the voice in his head says something along the line of "Whats this? The contract is different...."
Thank you for that interesting bit of info. :) Episode 4, right? I’m so going to re-watch that ep.



- This also makes it sound like there is 1 entity behind multiple AS users~
1 entity behind it all…interesting theory. :cool: Maybe Ryner is the reincarnation of a hero called “the lonely demon”…

~Coffee~
November 24, 2010, 06:29 PM
Could this mean Ryner can make a human boy move as he pleases?
- If you think back into the series, you see him do something that resembles manipulating atoms~ Example when he disintegrates the elemio comb and an arm~

On another note, Im curious what would happen if Tiir absorbed an activated crystal~

destiny4ever
November 24, 2010, 06:30 PM
- Ah good point, so his intelligence is brought into question, hahaha


Naw, I'm sure Ryner is intelligent :XD
ITA! In fact, Ryner is so intelligent he doesn’t need to pay attention during class. ;)



He's just lazy plus he didn't want to stand out. It's more about how much attention he pays in class or how many classes he even does attend~ Can't blame the guy if he never got to hear Magic 101 because he never went to class, right? :cookiehand (of course all teachers around the world would disagree with me haha)
That was priceless, Salad. :XD And…it seems beside being a Ryner x Ferris fan you also are a Ryner fan, right?

~Coffee~
November 24, 2010, 06:36 PM
I remember someone brought up the question of Ryners strength as well - And if you think that they were calling him Rolands strongest magician, then he has to be pretty capable, XD.


1 entity behind it all…interesting theory. Maybe Ryner is the reincarnation of a hero called “the lonely demon”…
- This got me thinking, and when Lucille called Sion his Hero, it makes me foresee, possibly, it might end up with a 1 v 1 v 1 - Sion v Ryner v Ferris~


Thank you for that interesting bit of info. Episode 4, right? I’m so going to re-watch that ep.
- Actually, I rechecked, its episode 3~

destiny4ever
November 24, 2010, 06:47 PM
- If you think back into the series, you see him do something that resembles manipulating atoms~ Example when he disintegrates the elemio comb and an arm~
You are so right! :cool: Thank you for reminding me of that scene. So that must be away Ryner was able to disintegrate Pink’s arm. But Pink looked surprised, he wasn’t expecting for Ryner to be able to do that, so maybe being able to manipulate atoms is such a degree could be something only the most powerful AS can do.



On another note, Im curious what would happen if Tiir absorbed an activated crystal~
You mean an activated crystallized eye?


I remember someone brought up the question of Ryners strength as well - And if you think that they were calling him Rolands strongest magician, then he has to be pretty capable, XD.
http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m208.gif (http://www.laymark.com) Ryner is super powerful, even Roland acknowledges it. ;)



- This got me thinking, and when Lucille called Sion his Hero, it makes me foresee, possibly, it might end up with a 1 v 1 v 1 - Sion v Ryner v Ferris~
I do think the final batter will be Sion vs. Ryner, but why Lucille calling Sion his Hero made you think of that theory/possible fight?



- Actually, I rechecked, its episode 3~
Thanks! :)

~Coffee~
November 24, 2010, 06:54 PM
I do think the final batter will be Sion vs. Ryner, but why Lucille calling Sion his Hero made you think of that theory/possible fight?
- Lucille called him the Hero
- Stronger Pink from Gastark called Ryner the Hero


You mean an activated crystallized eye?
- Yesh

destiny4ever
November 24, 2010, 07:07 PM
Welcome back to this thread, thornofcarrion! :) It is really good to see you posting in this thread.


relating to anime, its been awesome. I really liked it and I thank destiny for recommending it to me.
You’re very welcome and I’m so glad to hear/read you are enjoying TLOTLH. ^_^



About recent episodes, Tiia was showed as a fearsome monster few episodes ago. Yet he looked quite ordinary when he faced Lir Orla. Rule Fragment must be very strong but somehow it didn't feel correct how Tiia lost to him.
I think one of the reasons why Tiir lost to Lir (despite how incredibly powerful Tiir is) is because the author of the story wanted to show us what Tiir’s weakness is.
Btw, what is your favorite TLOTLH?


- Lucille called him the Hero
- Stronger Pink from Gastark called Ryner the Hero
I remember Lucille calling Sion his hero, but when did Pink called Ryner the hero?http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal-bunny-smiley-6091.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)



- Yesh
Mmm…a crazy theory…but maybe if Tiir were to do that, he could acquire AS powers?

~Coffee~
November 24, 2010, 07:20 PM
I remember Lucille calling Sion his hero, but when did Pink called Ryner the hero?
- Ep 20 near the end, when he goes "You dont know about yourself" "Well then, I guess the Hero is incomplete"


Mmm…a crazy theory…but maybe if Tiir were to do that, he could acquire AS powers?
- Imagine someone with AS and ID eye powers~~

destiny4ever
November 24, 2010, 10:54 PM
well the reason will be made clear in the later parts...lets just assert on the evident : his As aint the one of the normal ones.
and in the upcoming war...........
nah i wouldnt spoil it for any one but just as a teaser : we will see the full extent of ryners eye and the name Formula solver just might :D make sense then....
i mean we already know right that the AS deciphers the magics that are casted and can thus help the user to copy it... that s one kind of formula solving...magical formula solving.... but the greater meaning is what we all should be waiting for.....
i know sth abt it cuz i knew some folks who ve read the novel
Thank you for that info, shaheer! :) I’m now even more excited about the next episodes.



- Ep 20 near the end, when he goes "You dont know about yourself" "Well then, I guess the Hero is incomplete"
Yes, you are right. Mmm…so we have two heroes in the story. Sion who started as a hero but that I’m predicting will turn into a lonely demon. And Ryner who started as a lonely demon but that I’m predicting will become the hero of the story.
Great observation, Coffee. :thumbs



-Imagine someone with AS and ID eye powers~~
Tiir will be totally invincible then…but no, I like Tiir’s powers as they are atm.

thornofcarrion
November 24, 2010, 11:15 PM
Welcome back to this thread, thornofcarrion! :) It is really good to see you posting in this thread.


You’re very welcome and I’m so glad to hear/read you are enjoying TLOTLH. ^_^

:)


I think one of the reasons why Tiir lost to Lir (despite how incredibly powerful Tiir is) is because the author of the story wanted to show us what Tiir’s weakness is.

Agreed but still I didn't like the random deviation. He at least should have put up some fight. One more thing, the author also tried to make us feel sympathy for Tiir when we were shown his other side. I can understand that he was hated and feared by the society for his eyes. People have different personalities, in Tiir case he was consumed by the hatred.


Btw, what is your favorite TLOTLH?

You mean character(s)? If I am not wrong, Ryner is my favorite. His laid back personality is entertaining. Ferris follows him soon after. Actually, Ferris gotta be my favorite female character in any anime or manga. Her character is smart, beauty with grace yet she is immensely strong. For me the best thing about the series is Ferris and Ryner partnership. It has humor and emotional contents as well.

destiny4ever
November 24, 2010, 11:26 PM
:)
Agreed but still I didn't like the random deviation. He at least should have put up some fight.
I remember I once mentioned it in this thread how it is very disadvantageous to fight against someone with a hot head, and at that moment Tiir was fighting with one. He allowed his emotions to control his movements, he was fighting with his heart (since he was worried about the children and since he wanted to destroy Liir for killing those other children, love and hate where in his heart at that moment) not with his head. So tbh, I wasn’t really surprised he lost to Lir.



One more thing, the author also tried to make us feel sympathy for Tiir when we were shown his other side.
ITA. He did a excellent job making us see that Tiir wasn’t the horrible monster we thought he was, he has a kind and caring side as well.



I can understand that he was hated and feared by the society for his eyes. People have different personalities, in Tiir case he was consumed by the hatred.
True. Btw, did you read the translation of the conversation between Tiir and Ryner that didn’t make into the anime? I posted the links to the translation some posts ago. It helps you understand Tiir even more.



You mean character(s)?
Yes. :)



If I am not wrong, Ryner is my favorite. His laid back personality is entertaining. Ferris follows him soon after. Actually, Ferris gotta be my favorite female character in any anime or manga. Her character is smart, beauty with grace yet she is immensely strong. For me the best thing about the series is Ferris and Ryner partnership. It has humor and emotional contents as well.
:hi5 for being a fellow Ryner fan, :hi5 for being a fellow Ferris fan, and…:hi5 for being a fellow Ryner x Ferris fan?

Ryner is my favorite TLOTLH boy and Ferris is my favorite TLOTLH girl, they are awesomely great characters. :thumbs

saladesu
November 25, 2010, 05:01 AM
Imagine someone with AS and ID eye powers~~

Goodness that sounds like a certain someone in Naruto trying to get both Sharingan and Rinnegan :blink

It would be a super imbalanced power, but I could see that happening in this series (if of course it is possible) to have multiple eye powers. Countries fighting over the holder of such a power, more politics, more wars... :/


That was priceless, Salad. :XD And…it seems beside being a Ryner x Ferris fan you also are a Ryner fan, right?

Bingo~! :XD I like how he's not like your average shounen main character, I guess. And Fukuyama Jun voicing him is :hearts

Charlie
November 25, 2010, 05:03 PM
Heroes 21 raw

Keeping this short because there was tons of dialogue that I coundn’t understand.

Episodes starts with some soilders fighting it out and a few of the seem rather bizzare. Scene changes to Refal Edia and his assistant, who says they should ask the Roland spy about it.
Then it switches to Ryner and Ferris who knock on Sions door but there was no response. Ferris wonders if Sion is inside but Ryner says there’s no way a work-aholic like him wound not be. Ryner also decided not to run away anymore, so they enter and find a room stacked with papers.

Next we see Milk sleeping in a room and sees Sion in a dream. The she wakes a couple times and over hears what the other guys in he group have been talking about. She wonders what they’re hiding from her. Milk visits her home and finds it destroyed. Luke comes in and explains what happened. Next the scene changed again and we’re shown Claugh and Noa. Claugh has a new arm and he was interrupted by Clane, just when he and Noa were about to have a Kodak moment.
Clane mentions to Claugh about some strange things going on within the country but they’re not sure who’s behind it. Although I think Claugh suspected Miran at first.

Scene changed back to Ryner and Sion. Sion and Ryner have some covo and Ryner leaves. When he does, we can see there is something wrong with Sion. He slams the table and his faces changes somewhat looking really mad. It seems there’s a voice or other personality with Sion and he was talking about killing Ryner or Sions promise not to. Sion tells the “voice” he wont do as the voice says. Sion conversation with himself is interrupted by Miran. Miran says he wants to kill Ryner but Sion says no and no matter how much Miran appeals, the answer remains the same. At the end, Sion yells at him with a slightly altered voice calling him a worm or trash and tells him to “can it". Then the door to his room opens by itself. Behind the door is a bright yellow light and Sion says to him, “What do you mean kill Ryner Lute?”; “when you dont understand anything?”
((I dont understand anything either Sion - Explain :yelling))

Sion then stands up and has is hands raised up. Then some weird fire like power and different colored lights surround him. He talks about “light & dark and seeing the truth or the truth of the world” and also about the “true form of the enemy”. Miran laughs madly at the power thats being displayed.
Scene changed again to Ryner who was outside and thinking about a few things. Then suddenly someone appears behind him. Ryner then has a flash back of his childhood and sees the parent like figures. Ryner says “you can’t be...you’re...” but no one is there. Then the person appears behind Ryner and says “you’re too slow”. Ryner gets stabbed and collapses and as Ryner is on the ground, the mystery person brushes Ryners hair and says welcome back.

Preview shows Ryner being carried by the mysterious person and Ferris confronting him.

After thoughts:

Woah.... what the heck is up with Sion? He is either mad or has become a different person. This now reminded me of the last episode with Lir saying someone has not awoken yet. Does this mean that Lir was talking about Sion? Because it looks like Sion has awoken. Thinking even further back, Lucile calling Sion his “hero” and Keifer talked about a mad hero and demon and a goddess. Milk seems slightly different as well although not as much as Sion. In that short demonstration he seemed god like. Now suppose Sion was the goddess and milk was the Mad hero? Well my money is going the other way.
Then there’s that mysterious person. I think Ryner recognized him instantly and the flash back drove that point in. Why did the mystery guy stab Ryner and who is he.... To be continued.....

destiny4ever
November 26, 2010, 08:53 PM
Bingo~! :XD I like how he's not like your average shounen main character, I guess. And Fukuyama Jun voicing him is :hearts
:hi5 for being a fellow Ryner fan. I <3 Ryner. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m016.gif (http://www.laymark.com) And I agree, Jun-kun voicing him is the cherry on top! A bit off-topic, but I just realize I’m fan of two Juns now, Matsumoto Jun and Fukuyama Jun. ^_^ Returning to the topic of this thread, episode 21 was pretty interesting :cool: I’ll talk a bit more about it after replying to Charlie’s post. :)

<.Haruka.>
November 26, 2010, 08:56 PM
Episode 21 (http://www.animecrazy.net/the-legend-of-the-legendary-heroes-episode-21/) english subbed already up now. :) Some things to clear up from the raw regarding Sion and Ryner but anyways Charlie already listed up the important events.

destiny4ever
November 26, 2010, 09:37 PM
Heroes 21 raw
Scene changes to Refal Edia and his assistant, who says they should ask the Roland spy about it.
That Roland spy being Keifer; we only got to see a glimpse of her. She was locked inside some sort of jail, but her clothes were all torn up. :( Pink people are so evil. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m189.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



Next we see Milk sleeping in a room and sees Sion in a dream.
That dream was very interesting, a young Sion (maybe 10 or 12 years old) was saying he wanted to die in that dream. That scene made me wonder just what kind of spell Milan placed on her and if maybe Milk’s power has to do with dreams and people’s feelings.



Luke comes in and explains what happened.
That scene was sad and sweet at the same time. It was sad because we learned that Milk wasn’t adopted into a loving family, she was adopted to become a soldier so that the real children of the noble family who adopted her wouldn’t have to go to war. Milk had to endure a very hard and painful training :( for many years, but even when she suffered so much with those nobles she still was very sad that they had died (they were killed).

Milk is so kind, this ep made me like her even more than before. :) And Luke…he just keeps getting more awesome in my eyes. http://www.laymark.com/i/o/63.gif (http://www.laymark.com) And I know it’s not going to happen, but I do like the idea of a Luke x Milk pairing.



Next the scene changed again and we’re shown Claugh and Noa. Claugh has a new arm and he was interrupted by Clane, just when he and Noa were about to have a Kodak moment.
Kodak moment = Claugh and Noa sharing a kiss. And…wow, I must admit I was a bit surprised since I was expecting for Noa to be shyer, but on the contrary, she was the one who took the initiative in a way.



Scene changed back to Ryner and Sion. Sion and Ryner have some covo and Ryner leaves. When he does, we can see there is something wrong with Sion.
The two things that caught my attention the most about that conversation were:

1) Sion asking Ryner if Ryner would be interested in becoming the king of Roland if Sion were to die. Sion was very serious when he asked Ryner that, so it makes me wonder if maybe Ryner becoming a hero and then the king of Roland is one of Sion’s deepest fears. He is jealous of Ryner and he fears Ryner could take the throne away from him. Ryner replied that he is too lazy to be a king and then he made sure Sion understood he is not interested in becoming a king at all.

2) Ryner saying that he wouldn’t be able to “sleep” (to live) peacefully if Sion were to “fall asleep” (to die) before him. Ryner has such a wonderful heart. http://www.laymark.com/i/o/22.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



He slams the table and his faces changes somewhat looking really mad. It seems there’s a voice or other personality with Sion and he was talking about killing Ryner or Sions promise not to.
Sion was becoming dark and evil, but now he has gone psycho on us. Or Sion has a split personality or he made a pact with some demon like Lucille did, because I still think Lucille made one and that’s why he is so powerful.



Scene changed again to Ryner who was outside and thinking about a few things. Then suddenly someone appears behind him. Ryner then has a flash back of his childhood and sees the parent like figures. Ryner says “you can’t be...you’re...” but no one is there. Then the person appears behind Ryner and says “you’re too slow”. Ryner gets stabbed and collapses and as Ryner is on the ground, the mystery person brushes Ryners hair and says welcome back.
I don’t know for sure, but I have a strong feeling that the person who stabbed Ryner is Ryner’s dad!!



Woah.... what the heck is up with Sion? He is either mad or has become a different person.
ITA. I’ve been saying it and I knew Sion was getting deeper and deeper into the dark side, but I wasn’t expecting for him to go all psycho on us. Mmm…I wonder if Sion has always had a dark side inside of him or if Lucille is the reason why he joined the dark side.



This now reminded me of the last episode with Lir saying someone has not awoken yet. Does this mean that Lir was talking about Sion? Because it looks like Sion has awoken. Thinking even further back, Lucile calling Sion his “hero” and Keifer talked about a mad hero and demon and a goddess. Milk seems slightly different as well although not as much as Sion. In that short demonstration he seemed god like. Now suppose Sion was the goddess and milk was the Mad hero? Well my money is going the other way.

My theory:

Sion: Hero who becomes a lonely demon
Ryner: Lonely demon who becomes a hero
Milk: Goddess. And I think her dream about Sion could very well be her powers starting to awake.



Then there’s that mysterious person. I think Ryner recognized him instantly and the flash back drove that point in. Why did the mystery guy stab Ryner and who is he.... To be continued.....
He stabbed Ryner to awake his powers? I so can’t wait to watch the next ep!
[hr]
-Episode 21 covered vol. 9 entirely. They skipped an entire battle, but I guess it wasn’t that important and that’s why they decided to skip it.

- Ryner’s birthday was yesterday, so happy belated b-day Ryner. :D

Charlie
November 26, 2010, 09:54 PM
1)Sion asking Ryner if Ryner would be interested in becoming the king of Roland if Sion were to die. Sion was very serious when he asked Ryner that, so it makes me wonder if maybe Ryner becoming a hero and then the king of Roland is one of Sion’s deepest fears. He is jealous of Ryner and he fears Ryner could take the throne away from him. Ryner replied that he is too lazy to be a king and then he made sure Sion understood he is not interested in becoming a king at all.

2) Ryner saying that he wouldn’t be able to “sleep” (to live) peacefully if Sion were to “fall asleep” (to die) before him. Ryner has such a wonderful heart. http://www.laymark.com/i/o/22.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

Nice idea, maybe Sion thinks that Ryner could a better job being king. Thats why he was looking at him so intently, but does not want to admit it. Just saw the sub and the solders who were fighting earlier who looked bizzare were created/altered by forbidden magic. I think Sion was behind it, if I understood correctly.


I agree about Ryner, a kingdom of afternoon naps does not sound too bad. :XD


Sion was becoming dark and evil, but now he has gone psycho on us. Or Sion has a split personality or he made a pact with some demon like Lucille did, because I still think Lucille made one and that’s why he is so powerful.


I don’t know for sure, but I have a strong feeling that the person who stabbed Ryner is Ryner’s dad!!

Well, there was another voice we heard within Sion. It sort of reminded me of the crazy AS Ryner. So its either a split personality or something we don't know about yet.

I think the guy in the flashback and the guy who appeared on todays episode looked slightly different. The mystery guy looked younger or about the same age as Ryner. If it is his dad...

1) He's a really powerful magician. (Zipped past Ryner in a blink)
2) Has the power to change his form? (Appeared much younger than he should be if he's Ryners dad)

Now since this is a country dealing with magic, I suppose it seems possible.




He stabbed Ryner to awake his powers? I so can’t wait to watch the next ep!
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-Episode 21 covered vol. 9 entirely. They skipped an entire battle, but I guess it wasn’t that important and that’s why they decided to skip it.

- Ryner’s birthday was yesterday, so happy belated b-day Ryner. :D

If true, I wonder what powers will awaken. The anime skipped an entire battle... well I wonder what happened or who was fighting.

So Ryner and Kaiten have the same birthday. :kukuku
Happy birthday Ryner kun. I bet he slept the whole day. :XD

destiny4ever
November 26, 2010, 10:13 PM
Nice idea, maybe Sion thinks that Ryner could a better job being king. Thats why he was looking at him so intently, but does not want to admit it.
I’ve been playing with the theory that Sion is actually very jealous of Ryner for a while now, but this episode seemed to confirm my theory for me. He likes Ryner but he is jealous of him and it is those two conflicting feelings that will drive Sion to madness and to hate Ryner.



Just saw the sub and the solders who were fighting earlier who looked bizzare were created/altered by forbidden magic.
I don’t know how they call them in the novels but the TLOTLH fans from other sites are calling them zombies. :XD And as funny as it sounds, I think they are right…maybe Shiki is affecting my way of thinking but what if those soldiers were people resurrected by using forbidden magic?



I think Sion was behind it, if I understood correctly.
Mmm…I didn’t watch that part; I must have missed it then. It was shown that Sion was behind the nobles getting murdered but I don’t know about the zombies.



I agree about Ryner, a kingdom of afternoon naps does not sound too bad. :XD
All hail Ryner-sama! And yes, I would love to live in a kingdom of afternoon naps. http://www.laymark.com/i/o/66.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



Well, there was another voice we heard within Sion. It sort of reminded me of the crazy AS Ryner. So its either a split personality or something we don't know about yet.
Mmmm…then I truly think Sion made a pact with a demon to obtain more power or maybe…Sion has a hero relic that we haven’t learned about yet…



I think the guy in the flashback and the guy who appeared on todays episode looked slightly different. The mystery guy looked younger or about the same age as Ryner. If it is his dad...

2) Has the power to change his form? (Appeared much younger than he should be if he's Ryners dad)
I support your second theory and looking very closely, maybe it’s just me but mystery guy and Ryner do look kind of similar. Mmm…and if it is Ryner’s dad, then Ryner being a powerful mage could be something hereditary?



f true, I wonder what powers will awaken.
I’m curious about that as well…maybe full control of AS?



The anime skipped an entire battle... well I wonder what happened or who was fighting.


I’m not 100% sure but it seems that it was a fight between Ryner and some zombies



So Ryner and Kaiten have the same birthday. :kukuku
Yes, they do ^_^



Happy birthday Ryner kun. I bet he slept the whole day. :XD
QFT :D

~Coffee~
November 27, 2010, 03:46 AM
That Roland spy being Keifer; we only got to see a glimpse of her. She was locked inside some sort of jail, but her clothes were all torn up. Pink people are so evil.

- Ill have to rewatch it to make sure, but it also looked like her chest/neck area was scarred up as well, they really are evil people, those pinks. First he proposes then turns around and locks her up and tortures her....



2) Ryner saying that he wouldn’t be able to “sleep” (to live) peacefully if Sion were to “fall asleep” (to die) before him. Ryner has such a wonderful heart.

- I also really enjoyed this part~



I don’t know for sure, but I have a strong feeling that the person who stabbed Ryner is Ryner’s dad!!

- This was also my first feeling, as he sorta resembled Ryner when you first see him. That and then Ryner flashed back to that Mother/Father scene for a second...
- It also appeared that he stabbed him with some relic and in the preview for the next episode you see that scene with the red liquid like we saw Ryner sink into in the last episode... So we will most likely see a (crazy) dialogue between AS evil ryner and Ryner~



Mmm…I didn’t watch that part; I must have missed it then. It was shown that Sion was behind the nobles getting murdered but I don’t know about the zombies.

- I think thats what the Pinks were thinking~



Mmmm…then I truly think Sion made a pact with a demon to obtain more power or maybe…Sion has a hero relic that we haven’t learned about yet…

- mmmmmm, could be, or maybe he had(has) contact with one of those Crystallized eyes. (or the entity making the 'contracts' [Lucille???])



I support your second theory and looking very closely, maybe it’s just me but mystery guy and Ryner do look kind of similar. Mmm…and if it is Ryner’s dad, then Ryner being a powerful mage could be something hereditary?

- Speaking of that, its possible his father/mystery person may be the reason behind (some) of Ryners differences from other AS users. Such as recovering and not dying after going beserk~

destiny4ever
November 27, 2010, 04:16 PM
- Ill have to rewatch it to make sure, but it also looked like her chest/neck area was scarred up as well,

I rewatched that part of the ep and I didn’t see any scars…but I did notice her…mmm…she looked more well-endowed than before... http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m163.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



they really are evil people, those pinks. First he proposes then turns around and locks her up and tortures her....
Yes, that Pink King is despicable.http://www.laymark.com/i/b/b14.gif (http://www.laymark.com) I no longer support King Pink x Keifer, I’m all about Toale x Keifer now. But on the bright side, Keifer’s gaze let us see that she hasn’t been emotionally broken yet, she is still very strong. :)



- It also appeared that he stabbed him with some relic
Yes, it wasn’t just a regular weapon, it seemed like a relic. And if you look closely you see black blood coming out of the wound not red blood.


So we will most likely see a (crazy) dialogue between AS evil ryner and Ryner~
Yes, I’m expecting to see that as well. And after taking a peek at the pics on the official site, I think Ryner will also visit his past/memories while he is unconscious. And…now I wonder if Ryner’s dad is also an AS.



- I think thats what the Pinks were thinking~
Ahhh…now I remember that part.



- mmmmmm, could be, or maybe he had(has) contact with one of those Crystallized eyes. (or the entity making the 'contracts' [Lucille???])
I’m betting on my theory of Lucille helping Sion get in contact with an evil entity (maybe the same one who granted him the power he has). And this reminds me of something Lucille said when he killed his parents…I need to look for that scene, but I remember him saying something about the end of the world of something like that which kind of reminds about what Sion said regarding seeing the truth of the world and their true enemy.



- Speaking of that, its possible his father/mystery person may be the reason behind (some) of Ryners differences from other AS users. Such as recovering and not dying after going beserk~
Yes, I think it’s very possible, as I said, maybe Ryner’s dad is also an AS and that’s why he knew how to awake Ryner’s powers or memories (by stabbing him with that black dagger).

~Coffee~
November 27, 2010, 05:47 PM
I rewatched that part of the ep and I didn’t see any scars…but I did notice her…mmm…she looked more well-endowed than before...
- I watched it again and it was just her underclothing~


I’m betting on my theory of Lucille helping Sion get in contact with an evil entity (maybe the same one who granted him the power he has). And this reminds me of something Lucille said when he killed his parents…I need to look for that scene, but I remember him saying something about the end of the world of something like that which kind of reminds about what Sion said regarding seeing the truth of the world and their true enemy.
- Ya and he came out suddenly with some trippy powers... that Sion, bursting into flames and bright light, even made Froaude go 'wuuuuuut'

destiny4ever
November 27, 2010, 06:00 PM
- Ya and he came out suddenly with some trippy powers... that Sion, bursting into flames and bright light, even made Froaude go 'wuuuuuut'
The last part of your post made me :XD. The way you said it sounded very funny but yes, it is true. Even Miran was surprised at Sion’s new fiery powers, so if it wasn’t Miran who helped Sion achieve that kind of power the only other option is Lucille.

Btw, sad news guys :( it really seems like there won’t be another season of this anime:



Yesterday's Densetsu no Yuusha no Densetsu:
*0.*% 26:15-26:45 TX__ 伝説の勇者の伝説

So low it can't be measured.
I still have hope for a second season but with those ratings…ep 21 was pretty good so I don’t understand why people in Japan is not enjoying TLOTLH.

Zeltrax
November 28, 2010, 12:39 AM
I'm loving the ending song, the full version is out and its really nice.

Poor Kiefer, she does seems to have the hardest fate in all of the female characters in the series doesn't she?
I wonder if she and Ryner will ever see each other again..

About the Sion part where he goes "mad". I think its more like he finally found the answer and the truth. I'm not sure what the truth is, but I think Sion won against his evil self when he stopped miran from killing Ryner.
When Miran opened the door, I SAW LIGHTTT
Which means the "good" Sion is back or something.
I like how he called Mion vermin.

And wtf? Ryner father just killed him?!
..Did our main character just died?

destiny4ever
November 28, 2010, 01:00 AM
Welcome to this thread, zeltrax225! :) It’s nice to see you posting in this thread.


I'm loving the ending song, the full version is out and its really nice.
Yes, I’ve listened to it and I agree is pretty nice. ^_^



Poor Kiefer, she does seems to have the hardest fate in all of the female characters in the series doesn't she?
Back luck does seem to follow Kiefer I agree. :( First, she saw her little sister getting killed before her, then she became a spy in Roland and that didn’t turn out well either and now she is accused of being a spy in Pink Country and things aren’t going too well over there for her either.



I wonder if she and Ryner will ever see each other again..
I think they will, in fact, I have a feeling Ryner will be the one to rescue her from the grasp of the Pink Country.



About the Sion part where he goes "mad". I think its more like he finally found the answer and the truth. I'm not sure what the truth is, but I think Sion won against his evil self when he stopped miran from killing Ryner.
Mmmm…interesting. While I still think Sion is evil and that "the light show" we saw in this ep is him getting deeper into evil waters, I find it interesting how you looked at the same scene from a different perspective. Cool theory. :cool: Hopefully we’ll get the answer to whether Sion returned to the light or went deeper into the dark side next episode.



When Miran opened the door, I SAW LIGHTTT
Which means the "good" Sion is back or something.
I like how he called Mion vermin.
I didn’t see that as light, I saw it more like fire…and evil fire in fact.



And wtf? Ryner father just killed him?!
..Did our main character just died?
I don’t think he is dead, he is only unconscious that is why I was theorizing his dad stabbed him with that dagger in order to awake his power/memories.

saladesu
November 28, 2010, 09:28 AM
Oh man, that really low rating/no rating really sucks T___T Maybe viewers want action, not plot, because that's what this episode delivered. And I guess for us who have been watching LOL Heroes all this while can get what's going on when we have all these new plot developments but to someone just channel surfing, they are more likely to stop and watch a battle than people talking or seemingly random things happening. Just my thoughts on why the episode rating was so low... But that really does suck nonetheless ><

The Sion thing at the end... Sion really did seem bipolar. It didn't sound like him at all! I wonder if it is his dark side or if it's something to do with Lucille or something altogether. Charlie's theory about the someone who had yet to awaken being Sion sounds plausible :)

The Claugh x Noa fangirl in me was pleased with developments in the episode until whatshername came along and spoilt it :/ Anyway, I wonder where Claugh got that arm from. It's very... Black. Looks kinda disconcerting that his skin color is different XD And why was Claugh worried that it was cold? If he can move it and it isn't a robotic arm (we haven't seen that kind of technology in this series anyway) that means that blood flows through it and so it'd be warm :D

The prospect of that guy at the end being Ryner's dad is interesting. As was mentioned he looks way too young... It kinda reminds me of how in FMA the Elric brothers' dad's appearance is unchanging as well. In Ryner's dream before we heard that his dad was a noble, and usually nobles are high ranking officials in the army (at least in the LOL heroes world)... So it wouldn't be too farfetched to think his father is a strong mage and has knowledge of the eye powers. Perhaps because he knew his son was an AS holder he did some research on it or something (after disappearing or whatever he did to land Ryner in an orphanage) XD Either way, if it works to make his AS even stronger, that'd be really cool, since we've already seen that Ryner has a slightly different AS from everyone else as it is :p

Happy Belated Birthday Ryner :XD

Need next episode naooo :yelling

destiny4ever
November 28, 2010, 06:45 PM
... But that really does suck nonetheless ><
QFT. Whatever the reason behind those low ratings, it makes me very sad that a series as great as this one won’t have a second season because of it. :(



The Sion thing at the end... Sion really did seem bipolar. It didn't sound like him at all! I wonder if it is his dark side or if it's something to do with Lucille or something altogether. Charlie's theory about the someone who had yet to awaken being Sion sounds plausible :)
I blame it all on Lucille, Sion was a nice guy until he met him. http://www.laymark.com/i/o/81.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



The Claugh x Noa fangirl in me was pleased with developments in the episode until whatshername came along and spoilt it :/
The Claugh x Noa fangirl in me was happy with that scene as well ^_^ and…I think whashername is a he. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/huh.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)



Anyway, I wonder where Claugh got that arm from. It's very... Black.
Great point, Salad!:thumbs I wonder where he got it from as well…I hope they answer this question in the next episodes. Btw, I wouldn’t be surprised if Claugh’s new nick has to do with his black arm. Red-finger Claugh could become Black-arm Claugh?




It kinda reminds me of how in FMA the Elric brothers' dad's appearance is unchanging as well.


Interesting comparison. :cool: There was an explanation as to why Hohenheim didn’t age, I hope there is an explanation as to why Ryner’s dad hasn’t aged as well.



So it wouldn't be too farfetched to think his father is a strong mage and has knowledge of the eye powers.
ITA.



(after disappearing or whatever he did to land Ryner in an orphanage)
And now that you have mentioned this…I’m really curious about why he (Ryner’s dad) abandoned Ryner when he was a little boy. And if Ryner’s dad is alive then it means Ryner didn’t kill him…so Ryner only killed his mom? I so can’t wait to know the answers to these questions!

~Coffee~
November 28, 2010, 10:18 PM
I think they will, in fact, I have a feeling Ryner will be the one to rescue her from the grasp of the Pink Country.

- I have a faint feeling that Keifer will die sooner or later~



I didn’t see that as light, I saw it more like fire…and evil fire in fact.

- but it was all shiny and pretty, who Wouldn't be attracted to it... XD

destiny4ever
November 29, 2010, 05:49 PM
- I have a faint feeling that Keifer will die sooner or later~
Noooo, I don’t want for Keifer to die. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m033.gif (http://www.laymark.com). I admit I’m a Ferris girl, but I don’t dislike Keifer and I do think she also deserves a happy ending.



- but it was all shiny and pretty, who Wouldn't be attracted to it... XD
Good point. :XD Btw, according to the novel readers Miran laughing like a maniac doesn’t happen in the manga.

Thanks to Defade for the info:
“He was just supposed to get pretty excited, but yeah...that...laugh with Sion on fire was sorta....out there. It did add to the crazy atmosphere though, so I didn't quite mind.”

Also, it seems the animators changed Sion and Ryner’s scene in a big way.



They changed Sion and Ryner's scene drastically, and I think the novel version is superior in the emotional aspect, so I've translated the segment. It's so short, so I just dumped it on my journal:

http://defade.livejournal.com/347199.html#cutid1

I'd suggest reading it before the final episode.

Charlie
December 02, 2010, 07:49 PM
Heroes 22 Raw is out.

Not going to go into details, but a lot of stuff happens.
Some of it maybe confusing watching it the first time. Especially if you haven't picked up on the hints through the show or payed attention to the flash backs. You'll get a better idea if you read wiki info (contains spoilers) or info about the novel.

Ferris went all EMO hearing about Ryners Death from the Mystery Person. She was Kocked out. :p
The mystery person's name is "Lieral Lieutolu" was mentioned in the episode and seems to know Lucile rather well. I think Lucile called him "lord" when he called his name, "lord"as in a title for nobles.

He and Lucile exchange a few pleasantries and I think Lucile asked if Lieral is going to interfere or something like that. My guess he is talking about his plans (whatever plans Lucile / Sion has). I think Lucile also mentioned about Ryner not knowing about himself or something to that extent. Lieral took out something that appeared like a "rule fragment" aka hero relic and threw it in the distance of the Roland Castle. Lucile mentioned that Lieral cant harm him with that, hence he chucked it over to the castle, which made Lucile go back in order to protect Sion. Sion was upset that Lucile could not defeat him. I think he also ordered Mrian to go after him.

Ryners not dead. :dance
Ryner went and had a conversation with his inner hollow self :rofl while he was knocked out.
Keeping it short:

There was monster, monsters head blew up and out came a woman. Woman appeared as the same women in Ryners flash back about his family. Monster comes back and kills women. Women tells Ryner that hes grown fine/well and she loves him or she wanted to hold him longer. The woman was thankful to Lieral for allowing her to met Ryner again. Woman tells Ryner run to some door, Ryner does that while being chased by the monster.

Monster had the same "lines" that the crazy AS mode Ryner used. Which I really liked. Ryner touched the door and saw some weird knight battling weird beings or people. Ryner wakes up sleeping in the same bed as Ferris. He wakes up first then she does. She blushes and proceeds to go on a rampage. I assume its because Ryner is a perv with women or whatever other things she says about him. Ryner has a weird mark on where he was stabbed.

Sion was talking to himself and let himself go. They (two versions of himself) argued mostly about Ryner and not wanting to kill him, etc. The other "Sion" told King Sion to take a nap or sleep if he wants to. So my guess is that our Sion switched places with his other-self as he was tired and the other guy mentioned about how he will save Ryner as well (i think).

So new Sion comes out of his room and Lucile was waiting for him wonder which side won. With a simple look from new Sion, Lucile gave out a smile. Back with Ryner and Ferris, she says something about forgetting the reason for acting the way she did earlier. She mentions something about wanting to protect something important to her.

Darn I wanted to keep this short, so I cut out a lot of stuff.... but still managed to make this long. :darn
Anyways.... watch the subs tomorrow if you can wait. :XD

<.Haruka.>
December 03, 2010, 09:47 PM
Episode 22 (http://www.animecrazy.net/the-legend-of-the-legendary-heroes-episode-22/) english subbed is up :)



Ryners not dead. :dance
Ryner went and had a conversation with his inner hollow self :rofl while he was knocked out.

..it seems Ryner went into a world that looks like an afterlife by his dreams but eventually woke up after... with Ferris on his side :amuse

destiny4ever
December 03, 2010, 10:46 PM
Am I seeing right? http://www.tokyo-nights.org/forum/images/smilies/Rubbing_Eyes_emoticon.gif Is that Charlie’s post? It is!! http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-not-tagged-smiley-4683.gif (http://planetsmilies.net) Just thinking about how much I was going to miss Charlie’s posts, especially in this thread, was making me feel sad so I’m thrilled to see his post on episode 22. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m208.gif (http://www.laymark.com)Thank you for your post, Charlie. :hug



Ferris went all EMO hearing about Ryners Death from the Mystery Person. She was Kocked out. :p
That scene was so :wtf. Seeing Ferris so hurt and emotionally broken when Ryner’s dad told her that Ryner was dead made me Ryner x Ferris fan very happy. http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-not-tagged-smiley-4820.gif (http://planetsmilies.net) She really loves Ryner, doesn’t she? And if that scene was touching in the anime, it was a lot more emotional in the novel. I’ll post the translation of that scene from the novel after I reply to the posts in this thread.



The mystery person's name is "Lieral Lieutolu" was mentioned in the episode and seems to know Lucile rather well. I think Lucile called him "lord" when he called his name, "lord"as in a title for nobles.
According to Funimation, Lucille called him “Duke Lieral Lieutolu”. And yes, it does seem Lucile and Lieral know each other pretty well…I wonder how they met each other and when they did it, so far we only know that they met each other when Lucile was still a child or a teenager.



He and Lucile exchange a few pleasantries and I think Lucile asked if Lieral is going to interfere or something like that. My guess he is talking about his plans (whatever plans Lucile / Sion has). I think Lucile also mentioned about Ryner not knowing about himself or something to that extent.
Lucile mentioned something about Ryner not being ready to see the “door”, a very important point as we saw later in the episode.



Ryners not dead. :dance
Yay!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m168.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



There was monster, monsters head blew up and out came a woman. Woman appeared as the same women in Ryners flash back about his family. Monster comes back and kills women. Women tells Ryner that hes grown fine/well and she loves him or she wanted to hold him longer. The woman was thankful to Lieral for allowing her to met Ryner again. Woman tells Ryner run to some door, Ryner does that while being chased by the monster.
According to the novel readers, the anime omitted some important parts from that scene. And, yep, that pretty lady was the lady from Ryner’s dream. And it was easy to figure out she was his mother by listening closely to her words.




Monster had the same "lines" that the crazy AS mode Ryner used. Which I really liked.
That monster is the “Alpha”. I think that monster is the demon that the hero we saw after Ryner touched the door made a contract with. After watching this episode, I’m 99.9% sure that Ryner is the lonely demon who will become the hero and Sion is the hero who will become the lonely demon.



Ryner touched the door and saw some weird knight battling weird beings or people.
The anime omitted important parts from this scene as well. After you read the translation from the novel things make more sense.



Ryner wakes up sleeping in the same bed as Ferris. He wakes up first then she does. She blushes and proceeds to go on a rampage.
Loved that scene!! http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-not-tagged-smiley-4724.gif (http://planetsmilies.net) And Ferris blushing like that was so adorable! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m054.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



I assume its because Ryner is a perv with women or whatever other things she says about him.
About Ferris blushing: Ferris knows Ryner is not a perv, I’m pretty sure she blushed because …well…any girl would blush like that if she were to find out she slept next to the boy she likes/loves, at least I would.

About Ferris going on a rampage: Well…she is a tsundure. :D



Ryner has a weird mark on where he was stabbed.
I’m very curious about that mark…I wonder what it means…



Sion was talking to himself and let himself go. They (two versions of himself) argued mostly about Ryner and not wanting to kill him, etc. The other "Sion" told King Sion to take a nap or sleep if he wants to. So my guess is that our Sion switched places with his other-self as he was tired and the other guy mentioned about how he will save Ryner as well (i think).
That part was very confusing, I couldn’t figure out which was the good Sion and which one was the evil one. In fact, which Sion was the one who won? http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m190.gif (http://www.laymark.com)


So new Sion comes out of his room and Lucile was waiting for him wonder which side won. With a simple look from new Sion, Lucile gave out a smile.
So…Lucile smiling…does this mean evil Sion was the one who won?

I was right:



I blame it all on Lucille, Sion was a nice guy until he met him. http://www.laymark.com/i/o/81.gif (http://www.laymark.com)
It was during that conversion between Sion and Lucile before Sion became a king that Lucile introduced Sion to that demon. Lucile is evil!!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m189.gif (http://www.laymark.com)
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.it seems Ryner went into a world that looks like an afterlife by his dreams but eventually woke up after
I think Charlie did a great job using inner hollow to describe the events that happened in Ryner’s inner world. That world is part of Ryner, it is where his power and his memories reside.



... with Ferris on his side :amuse
A great to wake up if you ask me. ;)
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Credit for the info and the translation goes to larethian.




Disclaimer if I remembered anything wrongly.

Firstly, what happened during that meeting was, Lucile wanted to stop Lieral from making away with Ryner's body. Lieral and Lucile first exchanged some kind of ancient spell attacks. For Lucile, it's power gained from the 1000 demons he made a contract (or rather devour) with. And actually here it already was mentioned in the novel, but the anime just skipped it.

Here, Lieral took out the "Divine Beast Destroyer(Shiparms)" relic, though I can't remember whether it really looked like an orb. This is a relic of Runa Empire, it's a WMD for destroying a beast that have killed a 100 gods, or something like that. This relic first sucks out all the surrounding light, which was actually supposed to make the sky dark first (again no such thing happened in the anime), and released the collected light in some form of giant lightning, like a death ray, which can be used to level cities. What happened was that Lieral actually could not stop Lucile ( or didn't want to try - both of them are insubstantial by the way), so he used this relic to fire the 'death ray' towards Sion to distract Lucile. Since Sion is an important puppet for Lucile, Lucile had to go and save him, giving time for Lieral to escape. And here Lucile showed how he change swords (effectively changing to another demon's power) by making one disappear and a new one appear, and sever the light in one slash.



1. there should be a lot more action, showing how overpowered Lieral is, the difference in strength. And he can cast spells that do not follow the conventional rules of magic, well rather, his magic is on a completely different level.
2. Ferris was flustered and confused, flustered and confused, I'm telling you, when Lieral kept saying "you like Ryner?", and so on. But in the anime, she just looked mildly annoyed.
3. Ferris's despair at how impossible it was to win, was downplayed. especially in the scene where she lost here sword to Lieral.
4. Ferris's pain and confusion at Ryner's apparent death was downplayed. Here, her mind is telling her to run, but her emotions overridden her logic, and she tried to fight Lieral unarmed.

some excerpts (courtesy of myself):

Magic.
That’s what the man had said.
It’s just magic.
Ferris squinted her eyes.
What did he meant by ‘it’s just magic’?
She had never seen anything like that before.
Even though Ryner could deploy his magic with an overwhelming speed, she was still able to disrupt him.
But for this fella, she had no clue as to what had happened. In other words, what he used was not ‘just magic’.
However, neither was it a Heroes’ Relic according to him.
...
...
...
As he chanted some undecipherable words, the man-shape black piece of paper, which had disappeared with the sword earlier reappeared, and then split open.
At the same time.
Ferris’s sword appeared suddenly, and the man caught hold of it.
“Hoi. Your sword, I’ll be taking this~”
On saying that, the man turned the sword round.
That very scene.
“......”
Ferris felt despair welling up.
What was all that......
If that......
If that was not a Relic, but magic according to him...... then it seemed like it’s impossible to oppose him.
What he’s showing her right now could not have been possible in reality.
If he needed only a word to activate his magic, then no matter how fast she was, it would be activated before she reached him.
The chances of winning......
At that moment, the man smiled again.
“They’re zero, that is, your chances of winning.”
Once again, it was as if he had read her mind......
...
...
...
The man lifted his hand.
And said.
One word.

“IZUCHI”

Instantly.
A magic inscription suddenly appeared before his hand, and a flash of lightning was unleashed.
“Wha.”
Ferris promptly dived to the side and dodged it.
Thereafter, the place where Ferris was at a moment ago exploded on being struck by lightning.
That place.
Ferris could only look at it with a stunned expression.
“............”
What, what the hell is he......
Impossible.
Something that should have been impossible had just happened.
The magic invoked by the man was one that Ferris was well familiar with.
It was Izuchi. A magic that Ryner used often.
Roland’s magic.
A magic that is invoked by drawing a magical inscription, followed by an incantation......
That guy used only one word to invoke it.
...
...
...
“...... oh yeah. I almost forgot to tell you...... just a while ago...... I killed Ryner.”
The man said suddenly.
At those words.
Ferris,
“........................”
Said nothing.
Rather, she didn’t understand the man’s words.
Just now, what did this man say?
Nevertheless, the man continued.
“I stabbed a knife into his chest and killed him. Blood was spurting everywhere, and he had a pathetic look on his face.”
He said it in a pleased manner.
Then Ferris started,
“........................ liar......”
She said softly.
She couldn’t say anything else.
It couldn’t be so.
It couldn’t have been...... Ryner couldn’t have been killed so easily......
...
...
...
Ferris said again,
“...... liar. You’re lying......”
“Nope. I’m not lying. Ryner’s dead. You should be well aware of that right?”
“........................”
Then.
Then...... her head...... went blank.
She did not know what was happening anymore.
What.
What was this guy saying?
Why.
My chest......
No way.
I don’t...... want something like that.
Something like that......
Ryner.
Ryner, no longer around......
Something like that......
“...... ah, arg...... argh............”
Confusion.
She lost her calm.
Her voice......
Her head hurt terribly.
Her tears......
“Oops, I made her cry.”
The man said jestingly.
And then, Ferris began,
“............ I’m going to kill you......”
“It’s impossible for you.”
“............you bastard, I’m going to kill you......”
“As I’ve said, that’s not possible. In the first place, what do you intend to do? Our strengths are way too different. You have no weapon. Your heart is in confusion. In your current state, what can you do to me? Aren’t you a child who can make proper judgements? When it’s time to run, you run...... that should be what he had taught you. Now, run. If you come after me now, it’s a suicidal act.”
Suicidal act.
That’s right.
It’ll be a suicidal act if I don’t get out of here.
If I don’t get out of here.
That was what she was taught.
But yet.
“............”
Ferris started running.
She ran towards the man unarmed.
She threw a punch.
“...... die!”
She yelled.
The man smiled again.
With a sad, and yet happy face.
He readily caught hold of Ferris’s hand. And punched her in the stomach,
“Ah......”
That was the only thing she utter.
...
...
...



1. firstly, the monster in the anime, just didn't match the one I imagined when reading the novel, I mean it's supposed to be a beast like thing that has a humanoid shape, and it's supposed to have Alpha Stigma eyes, and some important dialogue that should provide background and foreshadowing missing.

And Alpha is red in color.... furthermore his voice should be the same voice that always speak to Ryner....

2. the meeting of Iluna and Ryner, and how Ilna was eaten, and the emotions of Ilna; she was actually afraid of being devoured, and Ryner had to leave her, it's a heart wrenching moment I'm telling you, and in the anime, it was like 'huh'? oh yeah, and because of a block in his head, whenever he hears the name of his Dad, Lieral, his head is supposed to be hurting, but he seems alright in the anime LOL
3. the Hero Ryner saw on touching the Door, was supposed to be killing beautiful women, aka Goddesses. moreover, his cries for help should be hardly decipherable, but in the anime, it was so obvious... here should start the foreshadowing of the Hero needing to devour the Demon based on what Ryner saw.

some excerpts (courtesy of myself):

In the sky.
The sky above.
There was a beast hanging.
“............”
Well, rather than a beast, it’s features might be closer to that of a human.
But that was nothing human.
It was evidently not a human being.
It had skin that was redder than blood.
And the eyes were even much redder.
In those eyes, were the vermillion five-pointed pentacles.
Sharp teeth.
Sharp claws.
And wings.
Everything was red.
A monster.
...
...
...
<< Fu, fufufu...... but this is pretty much a cliche thing...... is this how demons appear to you humans?...... fufu, haha...... not having known real demons, this is the sham that I was sealed in...... >>

Once again, it looked at Ryner with its vermillion pentacle eyes.

<< …... however, this is the end. If I devour you...... this Seal would be undone...... I am called Alpha. Everything is going according to the contract...... >>

At those words.
Ryner took a step backward.
“............ devour me? Ehh, uh-oh...... isn’t this indeed...... developing along a pretty bad direction?”
His face stiffened.
Hello, excuse me, where is this heading to eh?
Devour me to return to your original form?
What is this all about?
The Seal, Alpha, Contract, and there is still the Door, the Key...... I don’t get what’s going at all.
What the hell am I doing here?
What am I here for?
At that moment,

<< Disappear, Solver of All Equations >>

The monster extended its claws.
And it headed straight towards Ryner.
“Woah, seriously!? Wait...... aah shit, am I going to fight with such a monster?”
He started deploying his magic at high speed......
Deploying at a high speed......
“............”
Nothing!?
There was no glow and it seemed like his magic could not be activated.
“Uwah, why’s that?”
...
...
...
For some reason, the black words surrounding Ryner just now, were coiled around the monster’s arm, and started constricting it.
While the monster grimaced in pain, it withdrew its arm.

<< You, you filth...... Ar, Artofaal?...... ku, kuku, ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...... the curse of a lesser deity...... I’ve never thought I would need to guard against that...... >>

After saying that, the monster took its arm, now wrapped by the words,...... and bit into it.

<< Disappear, Artofa...... >>

But.
Its voice stopped there.
Since the monster’s head exploded all of a sudden.
...
...
...
The monster bit into the woman’s head.
Blood flowing.
Red blood.
It was that red again.
That cursed red......
Ryner, having seen that,
“........................................................................”
He couldn’t move.
The woman was eaten by the monster right before him.
All this while, she was facing Ryner, smiling at him.
“...... I’m sorry...... we only have such a short amount of time together...... but, even so, I was happy...... I have to thank Lieral...... for keeping his promise to me...... the promise of letting me meet Ryner again.”
Ryner began,
“............ I’m going to save you now......”
The woman shook her head.
And she smiled again.
“...... I’ll...... be fine. That aside, you have to hurry. Before The Weaver of All Equations comes...... further up...... towards the door...... touch that door.”
...
...
...
The devouring continued on.
The head, the head......
However, she stretched her remaining hand towards him.
“...... I wanted...... to touch you more. I wanted to tell you more...... about how much I love you. I wanted to be by your side...... and watch your growth......”
But.
Her voice...... stopped.
The whole head had been eaten up by the monster.
Only the hand was remaining.
“............”
Ryner,
“..................”
Could do nothing.
Except for holding that hand gently.
As he did that, her hand clasped Ryner’s hand, and he returned her grip firmly.
And with one of her fingers,
Go.
She commanded him.
...
...
...
On saying that, the finger made a Go motion again.
“Alright, I understand...... so, I...... I’ll get going.”
Then.
He could tell that the finger was shaking.
It was again the Go signal......
This time round, the order was not as forceful as before.
For some reason, Ryner understood her feelings just by seeing that.
He knew what she was thinking.
Go...... Please don’t go...... Don’t leave me here alone......
Without thinking, Ryner clasped that hand.
As he did that, her hand held his, as if seeking for help.
That hand was shaking.
From fear, from loneliness......
I want to save her.
He wanted to save this woman.
That was what he thought.
I want to save her...... and return home with her...... don’t make such a sad face, let’s laugh together......
If we could do that, everything will definitely turn out fine.
That was what he felt.
But yet.
Once more, that hand thrust Ryner away.
Telling him to go.
The hand that was being devoured.
The hand that was shaking.
With that hand that was shaking from fear, she was telling him to go.
Then,
“............”
Then, Ryner,
“............ uu.”
Started running.
That was goodbye.
Leaving behind the woman who was being devoured...... Ryner moved forward.
“............ shit............ shit.”
He felt sick.
He was sick of himself.
...
...
...
In the middle of that scene, there was a man holding a sword.
He had black armour.
Like trailing smoke in the wind, the form of the man clad in the strange armour kept changing.
He was crying.
Appearing to be greatly saddened by something, tears flowed non-stop from his eyes.
However, embedded within his eyes was not sadness.
A strong will.
A strong determination.
And he lifted his sword.
And thrust.
“............”
The first was a woman.
An extremely beautiful woman.
A dazzlingly beautiful divinity.
Goddess.
That’s right, she must be a goddess.
He killed that goddess.
While weeping, he killed the goddess.
One.
Two.
Three.
Four.
While killing, his tears dried up.
A smile floated on the man’s lips.
Five.
Six.
Seven.
Eight.
Blood, the scene was filled with blood.
Blood, the world was filled with blood.
That was all of the goddesses.
All of them in this world.
And everything ended.
The world had ended.
...
...
...
But the man did not stop.
He continued killing.
Killing every single living being, every single world, he continued on, dirtying himself with blood.
The black and white scene was covered in black.
It was the colour of blood.
All this black was from the colour of blood.
And then he realized it.
The armour the man was wearing --- was not black.
It was.
It was...... armour made up of blood.
An armour of squirming blood.
The man continued weeping.
And cutting away with his sword.
...
...
...
He was saying something.
While weeping, he wanted to say something.
“........................”
But nothing could be heard.
Nothing could be heard at all.
What is it?
What do you want to tell me?
Even though as he asked......
“........................”
His voice could not reach him.
The man was desperately calling out to him, but his voice could not reach him at all.
What is it?
What is it that you want to tell me so much?
Then,
“............ lp m........................ he........................ me..................please......”
Frantically.
While weeping.
The man was calling out.
But still, he could not be heard.
...
...
...
“...... I want to...... devour you.”


And he swung his sword downwards.
Towards here.
At my head.
Instantly.

“............”
He saw it.
Ryner saw it.
The receiving end of the edge of the blade, was himself.
The figure of himself crying that he did not want to die.
The figure of himself being betrayed by someone he loved.
The figure of himself being killed by someone he trusted.
And then.

The figure of himself, desiring love, crying...... a figure that was no longer human, a grotesque looking figure ---

The figure of a demon.

~Coffee~
December 04, 2010, 03:12 AM
I’m very curious about that mark…I wonder what it means…

- My guess is that it has to do with whatever happened after he touched the door (which is doesnt seem like he really remembers) {or its a mark from whatever relic that was used to stab him}


So…Lucile smiling…does this mean evil Sion was the one who won?
- Again, ill have to rewatch this part, but my impression was the 'Good' Sion was the one who wanted to Kill Ryner, and the 'Evil' Sion was the other....
~ So I thought the 'Good' Sion won.


A great to wake up if you ask me.
- YES INDEED! An epic scene~


About Ferris going on a rampage: Well…she is a tsundure.
- and I totally dont know why I didnt think of that for the Tsundere battle that you hosted... *Beats himself up*

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~and from your earlier comment, Destiny, about the blood being black~
- I dont think it really was, this could have been just the darkness (a lot of parts are pretty dark) or an attempt to lessen the intensity a little bit. (As in other anime where the blood is turned to clear liquid or removed altogether...

Oh, and on that note~ What was with Sion coughing up ~Da Fabulous Rainbow Blood~

Zealtor
December 04, 2010, 12:32 PM
According to Funimation, Lucille called him “Duke Lieral Lieutolu”. And yes, it does seem Lucile and Lieral know each other pretty well…I wonder how they met each other and when they did it, so far we only know that they met each other when Lucile was still a child or a teenager.

Well think of it this way. How did you think Lucile got his power... Read the wiki, I think it helps abit.


I’m very curious about that mark…I wonder what it means…

Haha so am I.


That part was very confusing, I couldn’t figure out which was the good Sion and which one was the evil one. In fact, which Sion was the one who won? http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m190.gif (http://www.laymark.com)
So…Lucile smiling…does this mean evil Sion was the one who won?

It was quite obvious when the soldiers rode to Ryner's house with swords who actually won...

On the side note to answer someone's question, the reason why Tiir cannot fight the lightning beasts is because of his eye's basic power is to absorb mana. See how he absorbs Ryner's spells? People are made up of mana that is why he can absorb them. But the hero relic isn't exactly mana which is makes him totally powerless against it.

Well I kinda spoilt myself reading wiki >_> But it still doesn't explain alot of things... Like what in the world shipuamus actually does to actually stop Lucile from attacking..

destiny4ever
December 04, 2010, 05:15 PM
- My guess is that it has to do with whatever happened after he touched the door (which is doesnt seem like he really remembers) {or its a mark from whatever relic that was used to stab him}
Mmm…very interesting and cool theories, Coffee. :cool: What if being stabbed by the relic was the “ticket” to send him to his inner world, and the mark on his chest is the sign he went to that world, opened/touched the door and met both Alpha and the Hero.



- Again, ill have to rewatch this part, but my impression was the 'Good' Sion was the one who wanted to Kill Ryner, and the 'Evil' Sion was the other....
But…if good Sion was the one who wanted to kill Ryner…then maybe he wanted to kill him to prevent evil Sion from devouring Ryner (and his power) and in that way saving Ryner’s soul?



~ So I thought the 'Good' Sion won.
I’m still not all that clear regarding the Sions conversation and who was the winner of that argument.



- YES INDEED! An epic scene~
ITA. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m208.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



- and I totally dont know why I didnt think of that for the Tsundere battle that you hosted... *Beats himself up*
I was waiting for someone to nominate her, but nobody did. :( Ferris is a great tsundure if you ask me. ;) :)



~and from your earlier comment, Destiny, about the blood being black~
- I dont think it really was, this could have been just the darkness (a lot of parts are pretty dark) or an attempt to lessen the intensity a little bit. (As in other anime where the blood is turned to clear liquid or removed altogether...
Yes you might be right, but then again with Sion coughing up golden blood I wouldn’t be surprised if Ryner’s blood at that moment was in fact black and if the blood of the people from the Pink country is pink.



Oh, and on that note~ What was with Sion coughing up ~Da Fabulous Rainbow Blood~
Lol :XD According to the novel readers, that was correct, Sion coughs up golden blood indeed.
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Welcome to MH and to this thread, Zealtor! :) I hope to see more of your posts in this thread. ^_^


Well think of it this way. How did you think Lucile got his power... Read the wiki, I think it helps abit.
Yes, I know wiki has a lot of info about the novel and about the events that have happened so far and that will happen in the next episodes, but I’ve been avoiding wiki like the plague because I don’t want to be spoiled. I would like to continue theorizing and trying to figure out things as I watch each episode of the anime. :) But thank you for the hint, it helped me think of more theories about Lucile and Ryner’s dad. http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal-bunny-smiley-6080.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)



It was quite obvious when the soldiers rode to Ryner's house with swords who actually won...
Evil Sion? Was he the winner then? http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal-bunny-smiley-6091.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

~Coffee~
December 04, 2010, 08:17 PM
But…if good Sion was the one who wanted to kill Ryner…then maybe he wanted to kill him to prevent evil Sion from devouring Ryner (and his power) and in that way saving Ryner’s soul?
- That was the impression I got, because they kept mentioning that if Ryner continued to live that he would have a worse fate than death. - This is also the reason I thought that it was the 'Good' Sion that was being compassionate in the Sion x Sion argument ~


Yes you might be right, but then again with Sion coughing up golden blood I wouldn’t be surprised if Ryner’s blood at that moment was in fact black and if the blood of the people from the Pink country is pink.
- This comment of yours about the Pink countries pink blood made me laugh so hard I almost drooled on myself~


Evil Sion? Was he the winner then?
- Since I was thinking the Good Sion was actually the one who wanted to Kill Ryner and when he came out of the room and Lucille asked about what to do with Ryner and then smiled, It made me think that the 'Good' Sion was the one who won...
~ But upon thinking over this more, things are confusing unless we are straight on Lucilles motives... If he wanted Ryner dead, why not do it himself, he had plenty of chances... Is there something stopping him from doing it himself? Does he want to drive Sion into something? Or does he not want Ryner dead and was hoping the Evil Sion won the arguement???
- Then this brings up the question of is Sion trying to trick Lucille in the subject of which Sion won out? Did he guess which one Lucille wanted and did what he thought would trick him? (The silent smile)

Zeltrax
December 04, 2010, 08:23 PM
Uh..I'm just wondering.
Did all of you used online streams? Because I downloaded it and there was a part behind ...with kiefer and the king.

I felt that this episode was very rushed and its because they don't have much time left, with 26 episodes only.
I was expecting more development between ryner and his parents but no..and that knight there, its the lonely demon no?
I think Ryner can use more of his powers now with the tattoo on his chest.
Its quite obvious that the evil Sion won, with the soldiers coming up to the house and the Preview showing "Thank you, Sion" also with the Gastark king saying that the black hero will be the one betraying the lonely hero.

Gastark king is an awesome guy, but I'm not sure about his comrades.
The guy who uses the yellow uh, dogs? I don't like him, not one bit.
But so far, the Gastark king is impressive.

I wonder what Milk will do after Ryner left?

destiny4ever
December 04, 2010, 08:52 PM
they kept mentioning that if Ryner continued to live that he would have a worse fate than death.
Because the demon in Sion's body will devour Ryner’s soul just like Alpha devoured the soul of Ryner’s mom. Thank you for mentioning that point, Coffee. :)



- This is also the reason I thought that it was the 'Good' Sion that was being compassionate in the Sion x Sion argument ~
- Yes, things make more sense now…evil Sion doesn’t want to kill Ryner because he wants to devour his power/soul.



- This comment of yours about the Pink countries pink blood made me laugh so hard I almost drooled on myself~
:D



- Since I was thinking the Good Sion was actually the one who wanted to Kill Ryner and when he came out of the room and Lucille asked about what to do with Ryner and then smiled, It made me think that the 'Good' Sion was the one who won...
~ But upon thinking over this more, things are confusing unless we are straight on Lucilles motives... If he wanted Ryner dead, why not do it himself, he had plenty of chances... Is there something stopping him from doing it himself? Does he want to drive Sion into something? Or does he not want Ryner dead and was hoping the Evil Sion won the arguement???
Excellent questions, Coffee! :thumbs. I think Lucile doesn’t want to kill Ryner because Ryner’s power hasn't fully developed yet so he is waiting until Ryner reaches his maximum potential and then he will make Sion devour Ryner’s power or maybe Lucile will even devour Ryner’s power himself.



- Then this brings up the question of is Sion trying to trick Lucille in the subject of which Sion won out? Did he guess which one Lucille wanted and did what he thought would trick him? (The silent smile)
More amazing questions, Coffee! Now…I’m so curious and confused at the same time, I so can’t wait to watch the next episode!
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Uh..I'm just wondering.
Did all of you used online streams? Because I downloaded it and there was a part behind ...with kiefer and the king.
Yes that part was after the ed, but nobody has mentioned that part yet so that’s why we haven’t talked about yet. Thank you for mentioning that very interesting part, zeltrax225! Kiefer to the rescue!!! She is one tough girl running all the way to Roland in order to save Ryner.



I was expecting more development between ryner and his parents but no..and that knight there, its the lonely demon no?
I’m not 100% sure but I think that knight is the hero who made a pact/ contract with Alpha (the monster who devoured Ryner’s mom).



I think Ryner can use more of his powers now with the tattoo on his chest.
Interesting observation. Maybe the theory that was mentioned before that Ryner’s dad stabbed him to awake his powers is true after all.



Its quite obvious that the evil Sion won, with the soldiers coming up to the house and the Preview showing "Thank you, Sion" also with the Gastark king saying that the black hero will be the one betraying the lonely hero.
So evil Sion won and that’s why Lucille was smiling…so evil Sion is planning to “kill” Ryner by devouring his soul....mmm...Ferris is there and also Ryner's dad so at least Ryner has some people to help him fight against evil Sion and his soldiers.



Gastark king is an awesome guy, but I'm not sure about his comrades.
A few eps ago, I was a fan of pink King…but as of now…I’m not that fond of him anymore but he is a pretty interesting character nonetheless.



I wonder what Milk will do after Ryner left?
Milk is putting the pieces of the puzzle together, so I’m actually more curious about what she will do regarding Sion. Will she side with him? Or will she oppose him?

~Coffee~
December 04, 2010, 10:47 PM
Excellent questions, Coffee! . I think Lucile doesn’t want to kill Ryner because Ryner’s power hasn't fully developed yet so he is waiting until Ryner reaches his maximum potential and then he will make Sion devour Ryner’s power or maybe Lucile will even devour Ryner’s power himself.

- Ahhhh~ True, true~



Yes that part was after the ed, but nobody has mentioned that part yet so that’s why we haven’t talked about yet. Thank you for mentioning that very interesting part, zeltrax225! Kiefer to the rescue!!! She is one tough girl running all the way to Roland in order to save Ryner.

- I was going to mention this part, but I kept forgetting XD, Keifer is free and running~ Though Im also frowning at the Pink King now Destiny~



Its quite obvious that the evil Sion won, with the soldiers coming up to the house and the Preview showing "Thank you, Sion" also with the Gastark king saying that the black hero will be the one betraying the lonely hero.

So evil Sion won and that’s why Lucille was smiling…so evil Sion is planning to “kill” Ryner by devouring his soul....mmm...Ferris is there and also Ryner's dad so at least Ryner has some people to help him fight against evil Sion and his soldiers.

- We cant be quite sure of that, since we arent really even sure which one was really the evil one in the conversation. Like I said the good one could be the one who wants to kill Ryner. So if thats true then the good Sion won.
~ Though it could be Sion tricking him in thinking the opposite side won~



Milk is putting the pieces of the puzzle together, so I’m actually more curious about what she will do regarding Sion. Will she side with him? Or will she oppose him?

- I might of slightly misunderstood but it seemed like Milks team sorta tricked her into believing that the Experiments that 'Sion' ordered were what they were hiding from her.

destiny4ever
December 04, 2010, 11:30 PM
Keifer is free and running~
Although I’m still mad at Pink King for incarcerating Keifer and allowing for her to be tortured, I must admit that Pink King gained some points with me for letting Keifer go, even though the reason why he set her free was for selfish reasons. And, Keifer must be one fast runner if she is going to arrive on time to save Ryner, because she is crossing a whole country on foot!



Though Im also frowning at the Pink King now Destiny~
:hi5 Coffee. But tbh, I do understand why Refal is doing what he is doing in order to create a peaceful world, but I do think that the end doesn’t justify the means, so that’s why I can’t support his actions and what his people is doing.



- We cant be quite sure of that, since we arent really even sure which one was really the evil one in the conversation. Like I said the good one could be the one who wants to kill Ryner. So if thats true then the good Sion won.
~ Though it could be Sion tricking him in thinking the opposite side won~
You are right. I so want to know which Sion was the one that won…I can’t wait to watch the next episode but more importantly I really hope next episode provide the answers to these questions.



- I might of slightly misunderstood but it seemed like Milks team sorta tricked her into believing that the Experiments that 'Sion' ordered were what they were hiding from her.
Tricked her into believing? Mmm…I thought they were being honest with her and showing her all the things they have been hiding from herhttp://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal-bunny-smiley-6082.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)…mmm…why do you think the experiments was something they used to trick Milk?

~Coffee~
December 04, 2010, 11:54 PM
Tricked her into believing? Mmm…I thought they were being honest with her and showing her all the things they have been hiding from her…mmm…why do you think the experiments was something they used to trick Milk?
- It just sorta seemed that way... Because she started noticing that something was going on with the whole Ryner/Luke/Froaude situation.
- She then asks them what is going on.
- They then lead her to take out a rouge test subject.
- She then believes that this is what they knew and were hiding from her.

~It was just a thought anyways~

saladesu
December 05, 2010, 09:50 AM
4 more episodes left, I'm really wondering how they are planning to end this, when they keep complicating the plot more and more >< Such as the which-Sion-won thing, Refal releasing Kiefer apparently to save Ryner... And of course the introduction of and actions of Lieral (and he's gonna use Ferris in some way to fulfill his purpose?)... I can't help but worry that the ending may feel very rushed at this rate, or that some plot points will be left hanging :s

Anyway, most of the stuff I thought during the show, has already been said by everyone here :XD So just some other random stuff that came to mind.

Am I the only one who got serious Naruto vibes (specifically for the flashback arc) from the scene between Iluna and Ryner? Although I know Denyuuden came out before that part of Naruto came out :)
The monster thingy was just like the Kyuubi, Ryner like Naruto, Iluna like Kushina and Lieral like Minato. Iluna even thanked Lieral for giving her time with Ryner, and all the stuff she said like "I wish I could have touched you more, said 'I love you' more"...

Also, previous ep I mentioned a possible similarity between FMA and Denyuuden, and now we have a gate as well :XD

And since Lieral's surname is Lieutolu, I just thought it was pretty interesting that Ryner's surname Lute has the same pronunciation for the first part of Lieutolu :) (リュート)

~Coffee~
December 05, 2010, 11:22 AM
Cept nobody in Naruto got crunched to gory splatters by the Kyuubi like Ryners poor mothers~

Oh and when Lieutolu smacked Ferris.... I wonder what Lucille would have thought of that one~

destiny4ever
December 05, 2010, 06:55 PM
- It just sorta seemed that way... Because she started noticing that something was going on with the whole Ryner/Luke/Froaude situation.
- She then asks them what is going on.
- They then lead her to take out a rouge test subject.
- She then believes that this is what they knew and were hiding from her.

~It was just a thought anyways~

Mmmm…interesting and I think you might be on to something Coffee. I mean, most, if not all, of your theories have been right and have led us to some pretty cool and interesting theories. :cool: Maybe what they showed Milk is true, but it is not the whole truth. Maybe they showed her something they knew would calm her doubts and curiosity for a while.
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4 more episodes left, I'm really wondering how they are planning to end this, when they keep complicating the plot more and more ><
I have no clue, but at least it gives me more hope for a second season :) since things will be left open-ended.



I can't help but worry that the ending may feel very rushed at this rate, or that some plot points will be left hanging :s
Or they could go with an Inuyasha, Skip Beat kind of ending, an open-ended ending that doesn’t give all the answers and explanations to our questions but that at least we gives us some hope for a second season.



Am I the only one who got serious Naruto vibes (specifically for the flashback arc) from the scene between Iluna and Ryner? Although I know Denyuuden came out before that part of Naruto came out :)
The monster thingy was just like the Kyuubi, Ryner like Naruto, Iluna like Kushina and Lieral like Minato. Iluna even thanked Lieral for giving her time with Ryner, and all the stuff she said like "I wish I could have touched you more, said 'I love you' more"...
You’re not the only one; other TLOTLH fans also saw big similarities with that scene in Naruto. I haven’t read Naruto so I didn’t see them.



Also, previous ep I mentioned a possible similarity between FMA and Denyuuden, and now we have a gate as well :XD
You are right. :D Mmm…and now I’m very curious about the gate in TLOTLH…I wonder if it has a name….
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~Oh and when Lieutolu smacked Ferris.... I wonder what Lucille would have thought of that one~
Since Lucille is huge siscon, I think he would have probably tried to kill Ryner’s dad…

~Coffee~
December 05, 2010, 09:55 PM
Or they could go with an Inuyasha, Skip Beat kind of ending, an open-ended ending that doesn’t give all the answers and explanations to our questions but that at least we gives us some hope for a second season.
- They finished Inuyasha~ But I hate things that they plan on having longer and then end up rushing and having a crap finish~ Dance in the Vampire Bund comes to mind.

Zealtor
December 06, 2010, 08:23 AM
Welcome to MH and to this thread, Zealtor! :) I hope to see more of your posts in this thread. ^_^


Yes, I know wiki has a lot of info about the novel and about the events that have happened so far and that will happen in the next episodes, but I’ve been avoiding wiki like the plague because I don’t want to be spoiled. I would like to continue theorizing and trying to figure out things as I watch each episode of the anime. :) But thank you for the hint, it helped me think of more theories about Lucile and Ryner’s dad. http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal-bunny-smiley-6080.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)


Thanks destiny4ever. Just wanted to join in the fun since most of my friends who watch anime don't watch this anime >_>. Finally found somewhere to talk about this =D
Well its not that much of a spoiler really since it is pretty incomplete. I seriously wonder what does Shipuamus do that made even the untouchable Lucile flinch.


4 more episodes left, I'm really wondering how they are planning to end this, when they keep complicating the plot more and more >< Such as the which-Sion-won thing, Refal releasing Kiefer apparently to save Ryner... And of course the introduction of and actions of Lieral (and he's gonna use Ferris in some way to fulfill his purpose?)... I can't help but worry that the ending may feel very rushed at this rate, or that some plot points will be left hanging :s

Anyway, most of the stuff I thought during the show, has already been said by everyone here :XD So just some other random stuff that came to mind.

Am I the only one who got serious Naruto vibes (specifically for the flashback arc) from the scene between Iluna and Ryner? Although I know Denyuuden came out before that part of Naruto came out :)
The monster thingy was just like the Kyuubi, Ryner like Naruto, Iluna like Kushina and Lieral like Minato. Iluna even thanked Lieral for giving her time with Ryner, and all the stuff she said like "I wish I could have touched you more, said 'I love you' more"...

Now that you mention it I just realised about the naruto part lol. And yeah I hate it when they rush it and just end like that >_>. It was so with Mushiuta, so so anime but interesting story that made me read the novel since they kinda left the story hanging with no 2nd season >_>. I REALLY REALLY hope that doesn't happen to this anime.



And since Lieral's surname is Lieutolu, I just thought it was pretty interesting that Ryner's surname Lute has the same pronunciation for the first part of Lieutolu :) (リュート)
Wow great observation @_@.
And I just realised you are a Singaporean too! =DD

destiny4ever
December 06, 2010, 08:13 PM
- They finished Inuyasha~
Yes, I know. But I was referring to Inuyasha not to Inuyasha: The Final Act. Before “Inuyasha: The Final Act” aired, Inuyasha was left with a very open-ended ending. In fact, it was because episode 167 of season 6 of Inuyasha was so open-ended that I decided to look for the manga and start reading it.



But I hate things that they plan on having longer and then end up rushing and having a crap finish~ Dance in the Vampire Bund comes to mind.
I don’t like anime-original endings, but if they decide to go that way with Shiki I really hope they give us an excellent anime-original ending.


Thanks destiny4ever. Just wanted to join in the fun since most of my friends who watch anime don't watch this anime >_>. Finally found somewhere to talk about this =D
Calling me Destiny is fine. :) And I’m so glad you joined us, the more the merrier. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m208.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



I seriously wonder what does Shipuamus do that made even the untouchable Lucile flinch.
Who is Shipuamus? http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m190.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

~Coffee~
December 07, 2010, 04:55 PM
Who is Shipuamus?
- The spelling is different in translation but it was the Relic that Lieutolu used~


I seriously wonder what does Shipuamus do that made even the untouchable Lucile flinch.
- It appeared to me that instead of attacking Lucille he was more or less attacking Sion with that relic. Which forced Lucille to go nullify it.
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@Destiny, I found this really sexy Lucille Ferris background on the main site, do you want?

destiny4ever
December 07, 2010, 10:28 PM
- The spelling is different in translation but it was the Relic that Lieutolu used~
Ahhh, thank you for answering my question, Coffee. :)



I seriously wonder what does Shipuamus do that made even the untouchable Lucile flinch.



-It appeared to me that instead of attacking Lucille he was more or less attacking Sion with that relic. Which forced Lucille to go nullify it.
You are completely right, Coffee. And I remember posting something regarding that scene some posts ago; I guess I’ll post it again.

Thanks to larethian for the info!



Disclaimer if I remembered anything wrongly.

Firstly, what happened during that meeting was, Lucile wanted to stop Lieral from making away with Ryner's body. Lieral and Lucile first exchanged some kind of ancient spell attacks. For Lucile, it's power gained from the 1000 demons he made a contract (or rather devour) with. And actually here it already was mentioned in the novel, but the anime just skipped it.

Here, Lieral took out the "Divine Beast Destroyer(Shiparms)" relic, though I can't remember whether it really looked like an orb. This is a relic of Runa Empire, it's a WMD for destroying a beast that have killed a 100 gods, or something like that. This relic first sucks out all the surrounding light, which was actually supposed to make the sky dark first (again no such thing happened in the anime), and released the collected light in some form of giant lightning, like a death ray, which can be used to level cities. What happened was that Lieral actually could not stop Lucile ( or didn't want to try - both of them are insubstantial by the way), so he used this relic to fire the 'death ray' towards Sion to distract Lucile. Since Sion is an important puppet for Lucile, Lucile had to go and save him, giving time for Lieral to escape. And here Lucile showed how he change swords (effectively changing to another demon's power) by making one disappear and a new one appear, and sever the light in one slash.



@Destiny, I found this really sexy Lucille Ferris background on the main site, do you want?
:wtf Yes please. Sexy/Awesome Ferris = pure win!

~Coffee~
December 08, 2010, 12:33 AM
Alright~ In order to not have the image resized I megauploaded it~
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VFMN6XE8

Zealtor
December 08, 2010, 09:00 AM
You are completely right, Coffee. And I remember posting something regarding that scene some posts ago; I guess I’ll post it again.

Thanks to larethian for the info!



Disclaimer if I remembered anything wrongly.

Firstly, what happened during that meeting was, Lucile wanted to stop Lieral from making away with Ryner's body. Lieral and Lucile first exchanged some kind of ancient spell attacks. For Lucile, it's power gained from the 1000 demons he made a contract (or rather devour) with. And actually here it already was mentioned in the novel, but the anime just skipped it.

Here, Lieral took out the "Divine Beast Destroyer(Shiparms)" relic, though I can't remember whether it really looked like an orb. This is a relic of Runa Empire, it's a WMD for destroying a beast that have killed a 100 gods, or something like that. This relic first sucks out all the surrounding light, which was actually supposed to make the sky dark first (again no such thing happened in the anime), and released the collected light in some form of giant lightning, like a death ray, which can be used to level cities. What happened was that Lieral actually could not stop Lucile ( or didn't want to try - both of them are insubstantial by the way), so he used this relic to fire the 'death ray' towards Sion to distract Lucile. Since Sion is an important puppet for Lucile, Lucile had to go and save him, giving time for Lieral to escape. And here Lucile showed how he change swords (effectively changing to another demon's power) by making one disappear and a new one appear, and sever the light in one slash.


Wow the anime sure missed a HELL lot of details :notrust Thanks for the info destiny! And thanks coffee for the clarity :D

<.Haruka.>
December 10, 2010, 02:39 PM
Episode 23 (http://www.animecrazy.net/the-legend-of-the-legendary-heroes-episode-23/214254) english subbed is up.

Lol'd on the start of the episode when I saw Ryner's prominent dark eye bags because of 4 straight days working on documents. :D
I think Ryner wanted to escape work but Ferris always keeps an eye on him, i guess. :amuse

And Sion's birthday was happily celebrated.
Simple and fun episode after those previous battles. :)

:oh(...though the last scene was kinda unexpected for me when Sion attacked Ryner..) :darn

destiny4ever
December 11, 2010, 07:13 PM
Alright~ In order to not have the image resized I megauploaded it~
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VFMN6XE8
Loved it!!!http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m015.gif (http://www.laymark.com) Thank you so much for the pic, Coffee-kun!:hug



Lol'd on the start of the episode when I saw Ryner's prominent dark eye bags because of 4 straight days working on documents. :D
I think Ryner wanted to escape work but Ferris always keeps an eye on him, i guess. :amuse
That part was very funny. :D Loved the scene between Ryner and Ferris!http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m054.gif (http://www.laymark.com) Their interactions are awesome, they have such a great chemistry. :) And what a way to bring someone back from the dead, Ferris-chan. :XD By slapping them in the face! I also liked the scenes between Ryner and Sion in Sion's office. :) Despite everything, I’ve always been a fan of their friendship so I really liked to see them just being friends and teasing each other….*sigh* the good old days that will never return http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/sad-007.gif…especially when we consider the last scene of this ep….



And Sion's birthday was happily celebrated.
Sion’s b-day was incredible!!http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m208.gif (http://www.laymark.com) I especially liked the scene of the fireworks, and that song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEZoOCsKdYQ&feature=player_embedded)…http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m016.gif (http://www.laymark.com) It was perfect for that scene. The song has a bittersweet/nostalgic feeling to it, which I thought was perfect to portray both what was going on during Sion’s b-day party and what was waiting for us at the end of the episode.



Simple and fun episode after those previous battles. :)
It was precisely because it was a lighthearted episode that I knew something very powerful and sad was going to happen before the episode ended, and after watching the Sion vs. Ryner scene my gut feeling was proven right.

I know I have been mad at Sion because he has changed so much, he is much darker/sinister now. But I couldn’t help but feel sad for him during this episode. The inner turmoil he is experiencing will be his doom…and part of that inner turmoil is knowing he has to kill his best friend even when he cares about him so much…



:oh(...though the last scene was kinda unexpected for me when Sion attacked Ryner..) :darn
I was actually expecting that scene all along during this episode; it was like the silence before the storm, a calm time before everything break loose.
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So there is currently a discussion going on among TLOTLH fans, some think next episode is the last one and others think this series has 26 episodes. I really, really hope next episode isn’t the last one and that we will be able to enjoy this great anime for three more weeks. But above all, I really hope there is a second season. The novels are being translated by larethian at Bt but…it is not the same…especially if you are an anime girl like me…so ….please let it be a second season!! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m107.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

On a happier note, here’s the translation of the insert song played in episode 23 :):

Thanks to Defade for the translation:



Also, translated the insert song here: http://defade.livejournal.com/347960.html

Took some minor liberties.

~Coffee~
December 12, 2010, 02:27 AM
So there is currently a discussion going on among TLOTLH fans, some think next episode is the last one and others think this series has 26 episodes. I really, really hope next episode isn’t the last one and that we will be able to enjoy this great anime for three more weeks. But above all, I really hope there is a second season. The novels are being translated by larethian at Bt but…it is not the same…especially if you are an anime girl like me…so ….please let it be a second season!!
- I feel the same way, destiny~ (Then again im still waiting for the new Code Geass)
- Anyways, I looked around and Densetsu seems to be listed as 26 episodes at most of the places with the most authority~
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{Though it seems like the next episode in no way should be the last ep. As in there is so much to answer that its ridiculous to do it in 1} - Though ive seen tragedies like that happen before... T_T

saladesu
December 13, 2010, 12:04 PM
Unfortunately, said tragedy will be happening here :( Next episode is definitely the last episode. It is written on the official website (I checked, I couldn't believe it either)... I still can't believe it is going to be the last episode :scry There are still so, so, so many things left to be covered and so many subplots that are ongoing - eg where are Tiir and the others now? :darn

Anyway, about ep23 itself. The entire first part I kinda felt like I was watching the wrong anime but with the same characters. Totally different mood from previous episodes. I'd even say it could pass off as a final episode, sans the last scene, of course. It could have just ended with Ryner and Sion riding off in their wagon into the sunrise and that would've been nice (well ignoring the questions left unanswered as I said earlier :sweat)... But like Destiny, I knew something bad was going to happen at the end of the episode... It was too peaceful to be true :noworry


I know I have been mad at Sion because he has changed so much, he is much darker/sinister now. But I couldn’t help but feel sad for him during this episode. The inner turmoil he is experiencing will be his doom…and part of that inner turmoil is knowing he has to kill his best friend even when he cares about him so much…

My thoughts exactly! I hope Ryner will open Sion's eyes in the next episode. Well unless it's not a happy ending, that should be what will happen...

The new insert song was nice, too. Btw it's in the "Last Inferno" single :thumbs

~Coffee~
December 13, 2010, 03:43 PM
mmmmm.... I wonder if its gonna be one of those series were its the "Last episode" but then has a few extra rap up episodes at the end... (Like Clannad, I believe)

and the Fireworks scene in that last episode, again, gives you the feeling that Ryner has been downplaying his abilities. As he was shooting off a ton of spells one right after the other~

AlB
December 13, 2010, 04:11 PM
so the next episode is the last, like THE LAST, like THE END?? :o :o

way to go anime team, so you are going to resolve around 15 subplots/mysteries/questions in a single episode?? wow, just... wow. my mood for this anime is ruined. Damn, I liked it so much.

and I will never get to see Lucille become the ruler of the world :scry and I will never get to see those irritating Gastark siblings mutilated killed :scry and I will most certainly never see Miran and Claugh become best friends... :scry

Zeltrax
December 14, 2010, 05:53 AM
Anyway, about ep23 itself. The entire first part I kinda felt like I was watching the wrong anime but with the same characters. Totally different mood from previous episodes. I'd even say it could pass off as a final episode, sans the last scene, of course. It could have just ended with Ryner and Sion riding off in their wagon into the sunrise and that would've been nice (well ignoring the questions left unanswered as I said earlier :sweat)...

Tbh, I thought I was watching a filler episode, but that wouldn't make sense since its close to ending so I come to conclusion
"Oh I get where this is going.. sweetness before bitterness"

Ryner and Sion riding towards the sunset..That would have been nice, really. They could have ended the story with Sion doing the right thing..but it's just..it isn't that easy isn't it?
With Mion and Lucile(I got his name right? He is ferris brother), I didn't thought he would really become what he is now at first, but gradually I accepted it. I think everything took a toll on him, changing him to who he is now.
It will be quite unrealistic if he didn't become the way he is now. I mean, that's how it works right? It's really hard, near impossible, to become a good king without staining your hands IMO.






My thoughts exactly! I hope Ryner will open Sion's eyes in the next episode. Well unless it's not a happy ending, that should be what will happen...

Or..it will be an open ending. Where Ryner leaves and Sion continue being king.. or something along that lines.
Now..I really wish for a second season. This anime is really nice, it's just too bad there aren't many viewers.
I really doubt the happy ending yet I wish for it.




The new insert song was nice, too. Btw it's in the "Last Inferno" single :thumbs

Thank you! and destiny for the link too!
The song match perfectly with the fireworks! I never expected it to be released already though.

destiny4ever
December 16, 2010, 07:58 PM
Unfortunately, said tragedy will be happening here :( Next episode is definitely the last episode. It is written on the official website (I checked, I couldn't believe it either)... I still can't believe it is going to be the last episode :scry
Destiny’s reaction to the sad news: First http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m077.gif (http://www.laymark.com) and then http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m103.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



There are still so, so, so many things left to be covered and so many subplots that are ongoing - eg where are Tiir and the others now? :darn
ITA. And according to the novel readers, what is coming next is even better! It is as if all the things we watched during this anime were just a preview before the real good stuff comes.



The entire first part I kinda felt like I was watching the wrong anime but with the same characters.
I felt the same way, for a moment there I wonder if it was a filler episode; but no, the things that happened in the ep are canon.



My thoughts exactly! I hope Ryner will open Sion's eyes in the next episode. Well unless it's not a happy ending, that should be what will happen...
I don’t know if episode 24 will be a happy ending or not, but I have a hunch that it will be a bittersweet ending.
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mmmmm.... I wonder if its gonna be one of those series were its the "Last episode" but then has a few extra rap up episodes at the end... (Like Clannad, I believe)
Mmmm…since extra eps means more TLOTLH, of course I’m all for it! :) And it is interesting you would mention Clannad, Coffee. It is interesting because I was thinking of Clannad as well. Why? Because just like Clannad was an introduction for the great stuff in After Story, if we have a second season of this anime then TLOTLH would have been an introduction for the awesome stuff that happens next. I so want a second season!!



and the Fireworks scene in that last episode, again, gives you the feeling that Ryner has been downplaying his abilities. As he was shooting off a ton of spells one right after the other~
Great point, Coffee! :cool: And the fact he did it without any trouble (and we did see a lot of fireworks) is another indication of how amazing and powerful Ryner’s abilities truly are.
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Welcome to this thread AlB! :)



way to go anime team, so you are going to resolve around 15 subplots/mysteries/questions in a single episode?? wow, just... wow. my mood for this anime is ruined. Damn, I liked it so much.
Well…I know we are all very sad about next episode being the last one, but…on the bright side, the fact that are so many things unresolved and so many question without an answer will be more than enough reason to have a second season.



and I will never get to see Lucille become the ruler of the world :scry and I will never get to see those irritating Gastark siblings mutilated killed :scry and I will most certainly never see Miran and Claugh become best friends... :scry
I guess I should make a list too…

Reasons why I want a second season:

I want to see more Ryner x Ferris.
I want to know more about Ryner’s dad.
I want to know more about Ryner, his true identity, his powers, ect.
I want to see what happened with Keifer, did she arrive to Roland?
I want to know more about Lucille and about evil Sion.
I want to know if there is a way to save Sion.
And some many more things about this great series, but above all, I want a second season because I wan to keep discussing this great series with you guys.
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Ryner and Sion riding towards the sunset..That would have been nice, really.
Tbh, I don’t think I would have liked for things to end in that way. I would have felt things were forced in order to give us a happy ending. I’m actually glad episode 23 ended in the way it did. Episode 23 has a lot to do with me being able to understand Sion better and not being as mad at him as I was before. But this is all my humble opinion of course.



Or..it will be an open ending. Where Ryner leaves and Sion continue being king.. or something along that lines.
Between and open ending and an anime-original ending, I definitively choose the first one. In fact, I think your theory sounds like a very plausible one, I mean Ryner leaving Sion and allowing him to continue being the king of Roland.

~Coffee~
December 17, 2010, 02:39 AM
Nooooooooooooooooooooo~~ Most places changed it to 24 episodes... All my hopes and dreams have been crushed into tiny smoldering pieces that then are swept up and thrown into a dumpster only to sit in the rain for a few days before getting collected by the garbage man and his large truck and driven to the landfill... T_T

destiny4ever
December 17, 2010, 06:05 PM
Nooooooooooooooooooooo~~ Most places changed it to 24 episodes... All my hopes and dreams have been crushed into tiny smoldering pieces that then are swept up and thrown into a dumpster only to sit in the rain for a few days before getting collected by the garbage man and his large truck and driven to the landfill... T_T
That was a very poetic and great :cool: way to express our sadness about episode 24 being the last one. :(

Episode 24

Loved the ep!! It was the perfect way to end the first season of an amazing series; yes, I said the first season because the way things ended (were shown) in this episode increased my hope for a second season. I haven’t felt this sad about a series ending since FMA ended. I so, so, so very badly want a second season of this anime!!

- The conversations and interactions between Sion and Ryner were so touching http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/sad-049.gif, and I loved the fact Sion wasn’t able to kill Ryner. While I don’t ship any kind of BL between these two boys, I do admit I’m a big fan of their friendship. :) I liked how Ryner didn’t give up on Sion and rather he is determined to find a way to save his best friend. I really do hope he saves Sion and that the two of them are able to have fun and enjoy their friendship once again.

- I wonder who that pretty lady who was talking to Lucille and who prevented him from hurting Ryner is…she came from inside Ryner so I guess she is one of the goddesses?


- It was nice to see Ryner’s dad helping his son. We learned so little about him during the series and he seems like such an interesting and cool character that I would love to more about ….another reason why I really want a second season.

- Ferris x Ryner ftw!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/love-012.gif Loved this paring until the very end, so of course I was delighted with all the scenes of this pairing we had in this episode. I know Ferris loves Ryner, she loves him more than anything; but I do wonder if Ryner’s feelings for her are more than just the one a friend has for another friend. However, the fact that he will allow himself to be killed solely by Ferris, the kind and sweet way in which he comforted Ferris during their meeting in jail in this ep, the fact that he wouldn’t die because she would be lonely without him, all of those things and many more we have seen throughout this series give me great hope that Ryner does love Ferris in a romantic way.


- It was nice to see an epilogue at the end of the ep. We were able to see what was going on with the rest of the characters and judging by those couple of scenes, it seems what comes after this last ep is even better!!

- I have enjoyed watching this series a lot, but I have especially enjoyed discussing this series with you guys. Thank you for sharing your interesting comments, point of views, theories; it was thanks to all you guys that I was able to enjoy this series to the fullest. Arigato~:hug

<.Haruka.>
December 17, 2010, 10:30 PM
- It was nice to see an epilogue at the end of the ep. We were able to see what was going on with the rest of the characters and judging by those couple of scenes, it seems what comes after this last ep is even better!!

Yup, I agree, though I was hoping to see more of Ryner and Ferris friends together with them. But I love the scene where the two of them (Ryner & Ferris) will seem to have a journey together. (probably a long one :amuse)

I just wonder why the Ryner and Ferris didn't participated in the war and there were some things left not much given emphasis on some other characters and events in relation to the light novel of the series.

Well, anyway I guess a second season would be a good resolution, the last episode gave me a cliche that it seems our heroes doesn't end their adventures yet.

I had a nice time watching this anime too. :)

Zeltrax
December 17, 2010, 11:51 PM
It's really sad to see this series go off my weekly anime watch list.
What's even sadder is that it's an open ending and a 2nd season may not come anytime soon..

ANYway! To look on the bright side!

Episode 24 is brilliant although it is an open ending.

At first, I really thought that Sion will kill Ryner and I don't actually understand the satan and hero part.
But after a while, I got it. So Sion is the black hero..and the one conversing with Sion is the black hero or close to it.
I was what in the world about the dream part but then I realized it was just a flashback and it is really happening.
Wow, I guess..I never really saw Sion letting Ryner off coming, I mean, sure..
they are friends and such but last episode, he looks so determined.

I'm still glad Ryner still see him as a friend.


The Ryner and Ferris moment is soooo moving. Ferris was so so worried but when I saw her break in, my reaction was actually wtf.
That is because before that Kiefer was the one coming in, not her.

Wait..
did she saw the two of them hugging?
Aww, I feel for Kiefer yet I somehow feel happy for ryner and ferris.
I rewatched episode 2 and 3 yesterday and found myself like Ryner and Kiefer pairing too, I can't decide who I like him better with.

So In the end, the two of them goes on another journey, this time to stop Sion once and for all. That's a nice way to end..
I guess the army agrees with Sion using the zombies, I see claugh there, fighting with the zombies :/ I really thought he'll do something BUT maybe I'm wrong, there's not enough time to show everything.

...I really wanted to see something happen to Miran.
I hate him..but it's too bad.

I spotted the uh what was his name again, that other guy with the eyes on the cliff..together with the kids.
Oh no.
no no no no no, those are eyes of the avenger!
They must be raging inside, Gastark is going to get what is coming to them :/
Kiefer..well, I wonder what she'll do from here, but there's no need to predict anything, season 2 is not coming anytime.


So it's officially Roland vs Gastark in the 2nd half of the story, and Ryner and Ferris stopping Sion. If there's ever a second season, I guess that is where the story will go.

All in all, a very good and top notch anime, it is just too bad they have to end so early..I heard there is issues with the budget.. I never really heard of animation studio Zexcs but they did a good job.
It's official, this is the best anime of the year next to FMA Brotherhood.

~Coffee~
December 18, 2010, 10:30 AM
Yesh, the 24th episode seems to leave it quite open, open enough for another season (hell, if Seikon no Qwaser gets a 2nd season, why not Densetsu?)

Anyways the thing that made my eyes widen the most at the end was all those Eye power users watching the army with anxious (and glowing) eyes~


All in all, a very good and top notch anime, it is just too bad they have to end so early..I heard there is issues with the budget.. I never really heard of animation studio Zexcs but they did a good job.
It's official, this is the best anime of the year next to FMA Brotherhood.
- This makes sense as the 26 down to 24 ep thing and Ive seen it happen before as well, (Dance in the Vampire Bund comes to mind.) and While they didnt seem to Rush the end of Densetsu quite as much as Vampire Bund, I did feel as in it was a quick rap up episode~

*Goes to start a petition for 2nd season ~

AlB
December 18, 2010, 11:08 AM
At first, I really thought that Sion will kill Ryner and I don't actually understand the satan and hero part.

how I understood it: for his friend's [Black Hero/Sion] sake the Satan split himself into the Weaver of all Formulas [Lucille] and the Solver of all Formulas [Ryner] and allowed him to consume [Subdue perhaps, because Lucille doesn't really look like a Cheeseburger lol] the Weaver.


So it's officially Roland vs Gastark in the 2nd half of the story.

Actually it's more like Roland vs Gastark vs God's Eye group or whatever they call themselves, god help the former two :darn

destiny4ever
December 18, 2010, 09:18 PM
Yup, I agree, though I was hoping to see more of Ryner and Ferris friends together with them.
If we have a second season then we will definitely see more of that. Ryner and Ferris will meet with some old friends during their journey. ;) *sigh* And here’s another reason for a second season, we need a second season!!



But I love the scene where the two of them (Ryner & Ferris) will seem to have a journey together. (probably a long one :amuse)
Yes, I like that part as well. Although Ryner x Ferris hasn’t become a canon pairing yet, one thing is totally certain, they are two great friends and partners. :)



I just wonder why the Ryner and Ferris didn't participated in the war and there were some things left not much given emphasis on some other characters and events in relation to the light novel of the series.
Because there wasn’t enough time to explain things and show many other things, I guess the anime team tried to do the best they could to show us a glimpse of what happens next.



I had a nice time watching this anime too. :)
Glad to hear that. ^_^
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What's even sadder is that it's an open ending and a 2nd season may not come anytime soon..
Well…at least the novels are being translated so there is a way to know what happens next. But, being the anime girl I am, I really hope there is a second season.



So Sion is the black hero..and the one conversing with Sion is the black hero or close to it.
I guess since the anime has ended it is safe to post this:



Following the awakening of "The Mad Hero" inside Sion, he tries to kill Ryner to prevent "The Mad Hero" from devouring Ryner sending him to hell but fails to do so. Sion then gives his body to "The Mad Hero" who starts conquering other countries.

Because of a contract made with "The Mad Hero (狂った勇者 アスルード・ローランド?, Asurūdo Rōrando)", the first King of Roland, enemy of "The Goddesses", "The Mad Hero" now resides in Sion and slowly consumes him from within, gradually leading him to suddenly exhibit moments of a split personality from time to time. In order to reach the territory of "The Goddesses", Sion initiated the invasion of Roland's former allies, which includes Imperial Nelpha and Runa Empire…
So Sion’s second “personality” is in fact “The Mad Hero” that lives within him.



Wow, I guess..I never really saw Sion letting Ryner off coming, I mean, sure..
they are friends and such but last episode, he looks so determined.
The fact that he wasn’t able to kill his best friend show us that Sion is still a good guy, that even though there is great darkness inside him there is still light within him. I think Ryner was able to understand that as well and that is why he didn’t give up, that is why he is so determined to save Sion, to save his friend



I'm still glad Ryner still see him as a friend.
Ryner has a great and kind heart, he has the heart of hero. http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m016.gif (http://www.laymark.com)



The Ryner and Ferris moment is soooo moving. Ferris was so so worried but when I saw her break in, my reaction was actually wtf.
That scene was very touching I agree. Not only that it made the Ferris x Ryner fan inside of me very happy, but it was nice to see how much Ferris has grown as a character. She went from being an emotionless and cold girl (one that was only moved by dango) to a girl that was able to openly show her emotions and feelings. Ryner deserves all the credit for melting the ice that surrounded Ferris.



did she saw the two of them hugging?
That was an anime original thing, Keifer wasn’t supposed to be in that scene at all.



I rewatched episode 2 and 3 yesterday and found myself like Ryner and Kiefer pairing too, I can't decide who I like him better with.
Both girls love Ryner very much, there is no doubt about that. However, the reason why I won’t jump ships is because I do like the interactions between Ryner and Ferris more than the ones between Ryner and Keifer. I think Ryner and Ferris have had the time to develop a stronger bond, and also because of the things they both have been through they are closer.



So it's officially Roland vs Gastark in the 2nd half of the story, and Ryner and Ferris stopping Sion.
Yes, the 2nd half has a lot to do with what you’ve mentioned but there is a lot more as well. There are many more things that make the series even more amazing; in fact, episode 24 is “the beginning” of the "real" stor. (like Clannad was the “beginning” of the heart of the story which takes place in Clannad After Story).
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Yesh, the 24th episode seems to leave it quite open, open enough for another season (hell, if Seikon no Qwaser gets a 2nd season, why not Densetsu?)
That is the spirit Coffee. :) If other series that weren’t as good as TLOTLH had a second season, why not Densetsu?



Anyways the thing that made my eyes widen the most at the end was all those Eye power users watching the army with anxious (and glowing) eyes~
That was one of the scenes in episode 24 that left me wanting more, strongly wanting to know what happens next.



*Goes to start a petition for 2nd season ~
*Supports the petition 100%! http://www.laymark.com/i/m/m208.gif (http://www.laymark.com)
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how I understood it: for his friend's [Black Hero/Sion] sake the Satan split himself into the Weaver of all Formulas [Lucille] and the Solver of all Formulas [Ryner] and allowed him to consume [Subdue perhaps, because Lucille doesn't really look like a Cheeseburger lol] the Weaver.

Here is a more detailed explanation:



The Mad Hero (狂った勇者 アスルード・ローランド?, Asurūdo Rōrando)
The first king of Roland, Aslude Roland, and the enemy of "The Goddesses". He sought the broken power to save the world and was sealed, devouring "The Lonely Demon" to break the seal. He currently resides in Sion's body after Lucille sets up a contract between them as he slowly devoures Sion from within to become the dominant personality. "The Mad Hero" is commonly known in myth as "The Black Broken Hero" or "The Black Hero who Fell"

The Lonely Demon (寂しがりの悪魔 Sabishigari no Akuma?)
A legendary demon lord. Devoured by "The Mad Hero" and has his essence split with Lucille Eris holding the "Demon" portion and Ryner having the "Lonely" portion. "The Lonely Demon" appears in Ryner's inner world after Ryner awakens his power informing Ryner of Iluna's death.

~Coffee~
December 19, 2010, 02:37 AM
Yes, I like that part as well. Although Ryner x Ferris hasn’t become a canon pairing yet, one thing is totally certain, they are two great friends and partners.
- Ahhh, a ship with a canon!!!


The fact that he wasn’t able to kill his best friend show us that Sion is still a good guy, that even though there is great darkness inside him there is still light within him. I think Ryner was able to understand that as well and that is why he didn’t give up, that is why he is so determined to save Sion, to save his friend
- You say this, but it appeared more to me that the Personality that actually liked Ryner gave up (because he couldnt finish off Ryner) and let the 'Mad Hero' take over. Who cares less for Ryner and wants to use him and put him in a situation worth than death.


That was one of the scenes in episode 24 that left me wanting more, strongly wanting to know what happens next.
- Thats exactly what I meant, I saw that and I went all "ooOOOOoOoOOOOoo" (slightly highpitched...due to excitement).
I expected to see 'Tiir' (that was name right?) but then when you pan back a little bit and see the kids behind him all with glowy eyes, the hair on your neck stands up~
- It almost seems like he is 'infecting' the kids with his evil ideals of killing every normal human.


*Supports the petition 100%!
- Really? Should I actually make one?

thornofcarrion
December 19, 2010, 11:26 PM
The end was pretty neat and I am quite positive that we will be seeing a Season 2. Its been a pretty good series, probably my favorite amongst the recent animes. Ferris and Ryner pairing was one of the best, while Ferris probably my favorite Female Character.

Darn it, the way the series ended, left so many questions...the lady coming out of Ryner and all the talk about its not the time for him to consume Ryner. I want to get my hands on the light novels. If season 2 is made, I am sure it is going to be even more epic.

destiny4ever
December 20, 2010, 08:10 PM
- Ahhh, a ship with a canon!!!
Yep, http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j218/vandy39/Smiley/1zdrz3q.gif And I consider the Ferris x Ryner ship to be a powerful one, btw. ;)



- You say this, but it appeared more to me that the Personality that actually liked Ryner gave up (because he couldnt finish off Ryner) and let the 'Mad Hero' take over.
Who cares less for Ryner and wants to use him and put him in a situation worth than death.
I agree Sion did give up, he couldn’t deal with the pressure anymore. But I wasn’t referring to Sion when I said “and that is why he didn’t give up…”, I was referring to Ryner. It was Ryner who didn’t give up on Sion, it was him who didn’t give up on their friendship. Sorry for the misunderstanding. http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal-bunny-smiley-6081.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)



- It almost seems like he is 'infecting' the kids with his evil ideals of killing every normal human.
You’re right. It does seem like that…mmm…the more we discuss the final ep, the more reasons I find for a second season. I haven’t looked for info about the subject so I don’t know for sure, but I do think Tiir and the eye-power bearers will play an important role in the wars that will take place in the next part of the story.



- Really? Should I actually make one?
I would love to say “yes, please make one”, but sadly I know that won’t have much effect on whether there is a second season or not. :( But thank you for offering to write one. :hug
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Ferris and Ryner pairing was one of the best, while Ferris probably my favorite Female Character.
Yay! :) As a Ferris x Ryner fan and as Ferris fan, hearing you say that makes me very glad. ^_^



the lady coming out of Ryner
According to the novel readers that was Ryner’s mom. She seemed different in the last ep so that is why I couldn’t recognize her.



I want to get my hands on the light novels.
I have started to read a little bit of the light novels, but it is definitely not the same (not because the translation is not good, it’s just that as an anime girl I prefer animation over tons of words), at least for me it is not. So tbh, I’m still a bit undecided regarding whether I will follow TLOTLH by reading the novels…



If season 2 is made, I am sure it is going to be even more epic.
QFT.

saladesu
December 24, 2010, 01:03 AM
I know I'm slow and this thread is already in the archives... But I just got around to watching the final episode :scry

All in all, I agree with thorny that a second season does seem like it might be coming. It was a kind of open-ended ending like "Let's go save Sion!" so I really, really hope there is a next season which involves them doing as such.

Anyway this episode it was nice to see Tiir and kids (they looked like lighthouses standing on that hill with their eyes alight) as well as Kiefer helping Ryner out. And Destiny I guess you were right since the start (okay near the start) when you said Sion was going to go evil.

It's definitely also interesting that Lucile is the Weaver of all Equations while Ryner is the Solver of all Equations and the two put together make the Lonely Demon. Who would have guessed that there were 2 parts, lol. I would love to see more of this in second season if there is one. Also, weren't there 3 roles - the last one being the goddess or something? Did I miss it or was there no goddess? Is it Ryner's mum?

I am so going to pick up the novels when I have time. :dance

This has been an enjoyable anime and it's been awesome discussing it with all of you :) Just wanted to say that, and thank you :hug

destiny4ever
December 18, 2011, 09:25 PM
Posting in this thread makes me feel very nostalgic about TLOTLH and makes me wish for a second season so badly. http://www.laymark.com/l/o/12.gif (http://www.laymark.com)

Anyway…I checked out the Itsuka Tenma no Kuro Usagi OVA because I read that it was going to be a crossover with TLOTLH. The good news is that Ferris and Ryner do appear at the end of the episode, the bad news is that their appearance in the ep only lasts 4 minutes. :( However, I did enjoy every bit of those 4 minutes http://www.laymark.com/l/m/m208.gif (http://www.laymark.com). Ryner and Ferri’s interactions were great and I was rapidly reminded of the reasons why I liked watching this anime so much.

Another fun and cool bit was the fact that the character Ferris and Ryner were fighting against is also voiced by Fukuyama Jun so the moment when Hinata and Ryner were talking to each other was priceless. :thumbs

Watching this OVA gives me hope of a TLOTLH OVA, I would really love that!!!