One Piece 595 Discussion / 596 Prediction

[Spam286]

That one guy who explained Haki to Coby said it's usually awakned through hard training. Sanji and Zoro going through hard training= coincidence? I don't think so. :amuse

I got the impression that he meant it took hard training with the specific goal of developing haki, with a very particular training regime. Otherwise you would've thought haki would be more widespread if all it took was to fight some monkeys. They may be strong monkeys, but we've encountered other strong characters without a single notion of what haki even is, and they more than likely got their strength through training. Then there's the Kuja warriors who're all capable of it but otherwise don't appear to be overly strong. That suggests to me that there's more to it than just 'try hard'.

[SirenVixen]

I got the impression that he meant it took hard training with the specific goal of developing haki, with a very particular training regime. Otherwise you would've thought haki would be more widespread if all it took was to fight some monkeys. They may be strong monkeys, but we've encountered other strong characters without a single notion of what haki even is, and they more than likely got their strength through training. Then there's the Kuja warriors who're all capable of it but otherwise don't appear to be overly strong. That suggests to me that there's more to it than just 'try hard'.

It seems as though most, if not all of the strong people in the OP world has Haki. To me, it seems like getting stronger unlocks Haki, which means that training unlocks it since you train to get stronger.

[SirJack]

Nice Chapter. Looks like they're all going to do some sort of training before getting together.
So Rayleigh will teach Rufy? Zoro will train and get some advise from Hawkeye?
Think the time skip is much more likely right now.

[k-dom]

Aha I complety didn't noticed that Law used Bepo as a sofa with the spoilers.

i really think that his decision to stay in grand line is related to Luffy. After all we don't know what he and Rayleigh said in Amazon Lilly. The only thing is that if the Strawhat are going to get stronger from their delayed arrival in New world, it does not seem like the Heart pirates will do the same.

As for prediction, I guess it will be a strawhat only chapter with 4 of them like last time. If Oda keeps the most mysterious for the end I would say Brook and Robin

[goldb]

Nah I'm not reading too much into Law's motives to stay in the Grandline. I think it's exactly as he says, he isn't in any rush to get to the NW, nor to take part in any unnecessary battles, instead he'll let those who are interested kill each other off and he'll take advantage of the situation.

I think it's really good for the story that we're seeing more of the Supernovas personalities and characters, until Luffy and co get to the NW, they will be our main characters there.

[ripmyg]

ok, so it is freaking ridiculas that we still dont know what the message means????????? every straw hat figured it out instantly(except zoro) and we have thrown out at least 20 possibilities. How does the tatoo or ringing the bell tell the SHs to stay and train(i agree thats what it meant but how does it mean that?)

[chess4]

The fact that oda didn't even touch on fishman island sincemost of the supernova pssed through it further let's me know that something major is going to happen there. I like where this is headed. I think next chapter we will see 4 strawjhats and kizaru. I think when everyone is shown, the story will focus on luffy and flash to the others periodically. Sanji has a very longroad ahead of him. No way he beats all 99 masters in a few days. I say a few months at best. Since oda said this is luffys last adventure as an 17 year old. I figure this timeskip will be no less than 6 months

[zerocooldx]

Luffy's 16 bell message must have been a time frame to his crew on when they should meet up. But 16 days sounds a bit too short, and 16 weeks would be 112 days so thats way too long. But if every day counts as two parts, a night and a day, then it could mean 32 days total. Which wouldn't be too long or too short. But who knows. Also its Shiliew now and not Shiryuu?

[Fayvren]

Instaed of focusing on the number of rings my guess is that the bell ringing has to do with Killer said: it's the end of a year and the beginning of another.

Followed by the ship sailing in exactly one circle around marineford the message could very well be to meet in exactly 1 years time. Which given training etc. wouldn't be too far off and would guarantee that Luffy is no longer 17 for his next adventure.

[zerocooldx]

Instaed of focusing on the number of rings my guess is that the bell ringing has to do with Killer said: it's the end of a year and the beginning of another.

Followed by the ship sailing in exactly one circle around marineford the message could very well be to meet in exactly 1 years time. Which given training etc. wouldn't be too far off and would guarantee that Luffy is no longer 17 for his next adventure.

Luffy's birthday was on May 5th, he is already 18.

[Lord Rayleigh]

Wooo ! I've just noticed Oda's reference in this chapter. How ironic it is for the On Air Pirates, led by Scratchmen Apoo, to end up in the New World walking on the air. One Piece is always full of surprise, that's amazing.

[damane08]

Wooo ! I've just noticed Oda's reference in this chapter. How ironic it is for the On Air Pirates, led by Scratchmen Apoo, to end up in the New World walking on the air. One Piece is always full of surprise, that's amazing.

and what's even more ironic is their reaction to it, you'd think that with the name On Air Pirates that they would welcome the thought of being on air but apparently not.

[natli]

Finally Trafalgar lost his "good boy" vibe! :D But why is he talking about a proper throne? there is only one throne...
anyway, I was screaming "Captaiiiiiiiin" with the rest of his crew like the fangirl that I am :D:D:D
I'm a bit irritated that the only girl in the Rookies got eliminated this quickly, but I also smell some character development for her so...
I can't wait to see how stronger Usopp and Nami willl get...lately their fights are pure comic relief/fanservice :/

[Bright Darkness]

What I am sure of now is that the strawhats won't meet any soon. Whether there would be a timeskip or several stories dedicated to each character's advetures untill they meet up, that's the point I guess.

Sounds good either way for me...you always get surprises from oda !!

[Bugzee]

I would sure like to see the development process of Franky in depth and how he rebuilds his body....that would be so awesome. Imagine the variety of upgrades he could get...I'm sure there's a huge range of equipment/weaponry options available to him lol.

[Spam286]

Luffy's birthday was on May 5th, he is already 18.

Yeah that's a little illogical, OP has been running thirteen years now, if we go by that rule then Luffy is actually 30 :p.

[Rotten The Wizard]

Pure genius if I may say. The whole storyline just unfolds beautifully in an unpredictable fashion.

Whats ODA's IQ? I'll put money it boarders genius...

[bittman]

I can't wait to see how stronger Usopp and Nami willl get...lately their fights are pure comic relief/fanservice :/

Yeaaaaah that won't change. Ussop's fights will always incorporate some level of comic relief whilst Nami's fights will always incorporate some level of fanservice. It's just who they are.

Even if Nami suddenly gets the power to summon tornadoes and Ussop can shoot through the eye of a needle from 3 km away, they will doubtfully get too much stronger in the physical department. They are both "skill" fighters where they're new attacks aren't measured by how big a rock they can break with their fists but rather how they manipulate their tools.

Actually, beyond just Nami and Ussop: there aren't many fights in One Piece that have a complete lack of comedy. Sure, the WB Arc was pretty serious, but looking at EL the only fight that lacked humour would have been Luffy v Lucchi.

And Sanji has never had a serious fight in his life. He's cursed after all.

[fallou]

I think Sanji's fights against Kurobi and Jabura(excepted for the "Robin is my sister" part) were pretty serious...Actually, Sanji's more like doomed to fight weird enemies, imo...But I agree, most fights in OP have comic relief. I think the mugiwaras all get their turn in fighting weird or ridiculous guys

[Ratatosk]

Nearly every fight in One Piece has random comedy at any opportunity, no matter what the stakes. That was the main purpose of Buggy and the Okama Horde in Impel Down and the war, and Oda pretty much admitted in an early SBS that that was why the main characters' powers were so silly. I still remember Chibi-Luffy punching Rob Lucci on the nose with joy, no matter how depressing the aftermath of that fight was.

I too am irritated about Bonney, mainly because it was the only predictable thing that happened this chapter, plus we really don't need Blackbeard's hairy crotch to be added to the unexpectedly high proportion of porn that turns up when you image-search her.

But yeah, what's everyone's theories on how th feck that huge dude on Teach's crew got across the Red line? Climb over, or swim under? There isn't even room on that raft-ship for all the normal-sized crewmembers, assuming it's coated; and didn't it already get destroyed by the Knock-up Stream? Easy to repair I guess..

[frontaLobotomy]

I have to admit, I'm really enjoying the way this current arc is unfolding. Compared to previous ones, we're having to ingest so much information in one chapter, do our best to speculate on it, then end up being totally suprised. Although a few members did make the right call on Bonney, credit where credit is due.
I'm starting to wonder what Teach is waiting for in terms of the 'time' for fighting big enemies. Is he looking to master his two DFs completely or something? Though I'm baffled at how he suddenly needs a ship, didn't they steal a battleship at Impel Down so they could get through the Gates of Justice? I guess stealing it a second time would have been a bit much at the end of the war, but still.. I guess it's better than it being whatever sucked Capone Bege's ship up in to the air, which I'm going to assume wasn't anything to do with Teach.
The overall chronology of recent chapters has been interesting, as we're seeing things retrospectively and it's hard to guage how long has taken place between each incident, only that three weeks had passed since Luffy woke up, and that it would have taken 10 days or so to sail to Marineford if memory serves. Is this going to be Oda's way of forcing a timeskip without it feeling like it's a timeskip? That'd be pretty damn clever if it was.

[Ratatosk]

Trafalgar Law's waiting for something too.. Maybe just seeing how things play out. If he was going to make an alliance with the Strawhats he wouldn't have disappeared so quickly after the war..

That thing that sucked Capone's ship up looked so alien I was starting to suspect Enel.. until the lightning island turned up. I doubt we will get anymore details until the Strawhats get there, this is all just a preview of the scariness of the New World, like the guys who turned up at the Floating Restaurant in East Blue. But my predictions suck, so yay.. more stuff falling from the sky!

I assumed Teach needs a ship that that huge dude will fit on to stop him complaining.
And yeah, Oda is unexpectedly good at the skipping around in Epic narrator mode showing bits of what's happening (plus flashbacks) with it all linking up and making sense; considering he only did that on special occasions before it's impressive.

[Nonlife]

I hope Oda has plenty more to dish out for us! I think the Mugiwara's have only covered half of the world (New Word being the second half). I hope we don't have much longer until Luffy rejoins his friends; but with the direction this last chapter was going, I think everyone's going to be busy with training.

[llamapie]

Pure genius if I may say. The whole storyline just unfolds beautifully in an unpredictable fashion.

Whats ODA's IQ? I'll put money it boarders genius...

I wouldn't say genius. He is just one of the few people who actually found their calling as their career and has a tremendous talent as a story teller.

Would Einstein make a good artist? Probably not.

[junjun2]

I still doubt the person Bonny searched for was BlackBeard.

[ripmyg]

Really? who do you think she was searching for?

[Uriel]

LOL Rayleigh! I would never noticed myself!

Finally Trafalgar lost his "good boy" vibe! :D But why is he talking about a proper throne? there is only one throne.../
There was four. Now three, I guess.

[zerocooldx]

Yeah that's a little illogical, OP has been running thirteen years now, if we go by that rule then Luffy is actually 30 :p.

Yes manga time when compared to real time is illogical.

[Maedhros]

So, who said One Piece don't have training arcs?? We're getting one right now, I bet everyone will train on their islands, and join later, when everybody is stronger. I like this theory of Luffy's tattoo being SA2Y, meaning they'll be on Saobondy Archipelago in 2 years.

Amazing chapter, Oda always delivers.

[weird_pirate]

im thinkin by the time they get together ussop will b skinny again yay!!
and wow kuma is a great planner

[Bertosch]

As Oda is a big Dragonball(normally big timeskips...) Fan i guess there could be a huge timeskip. Like half a year or maybe more. Afterwards he can reveal what was happening in the next fights, when they remember what they were going through to fight amongst their friends again.

Ray will most probably awaken some hidden power in Luffy. Whether it is Haki or how to use his power when he is angry. And I guess Luffy is getting a better knowledge of what is going on in the world to protect his nakama properly. Luffy should care more about what is happening outside the Sunny!!!

[coqui018]

I would sooo love to see the fight between Sanji and Ivankov, when Ivankov decides turn him self into a women. The face on Sanji would be priceless lol.

[molecularpepsi]

the chapters are only getting better! loved it!

observations:

-law might just have proved himself the wisest SN of all, although his crew leaves much to be desired and i'm not sure how they'll survive once they eventually do enter the new world.

-it's interesting how Kaidou's minion has the number 18 on him. baroque works anyone?

-San juan isn't BB's ship and does not possess a DF, it's pretty awesome how he's just walking along the ocean floor!

-the original BB members seem to be extremely loyal to him, can't wait to find out why. they all are obsessed with fate, the new crew mates... not so much.

-BB is not a complete thug, i mean he didn't rape bonney and did not force her to marry him. more importantly he did not hit back when she kicked him in the face. i'm surprsed he's actually interested in finding a woman for himself.

-Akainu seemed like he came specifically for bonney and not for BB. she must have some story to be that valuable. i wonder if the WG sent him or did Akainu come at his own will?

-Doflamingo just gets more and more mysterious, who is this guy?

[johnnyb7]

Sanji is going to get incredibly powerful and eventually be able to take down Ivankov I'm guessing

Zoro is going to reach incredible levels of power while fighting the monkeys

Chopper will gain control over the monster point form

Luffy will gain control over his haki

[Lee-tyme7]

So it would seem Luffy want all his crew mate to train hard before they meet at shanbandy, but how will Robin train herself?...maybe she will learn more about the void century while she stay with the Revolutionary army.

[Schabrak]

the chapters are only getting better! loved it!

observations:...
Just because he sits tight doesn't make him any more wise, even though he seems to be one of the more intelligent characters in OP nonetheless.

I would like San Juan to have a Devil Fruit, but being able to withstand the water, by being able to stand in the water. XD j/k I'm curious to when we will finaly be able to see his full body. *body slam!*

Taking what every he wants doesn't make him a rapist nor do I want Oda to ever portray such a thing. Excluding his extreme personality it just proves him to be attracted to the opposite sex like a normal grow-up man. :) Who would like such a stubborn and unwilling woman, who keeps kicking around?

I don't see Akainu roaming through the New World just to search for a single pirate with a rather low bounty. Because we only got glimpses of Aokiji from time to time, I would rather assume that it's their duty in the New World to keep pirates at bay. Especially away from Mari Joa and their nobles. They are just to strong for any normal job within Grand Line.

Can't disagree with the first statement, it's getting better and better, as every page with a Mugiwara is a good one.^^

[natli]

Yeaaaaah that won't change. Ussop's fights will always incorporate some level of comic relief whilst Nami's fights will always incorporate some level of fanservice. It's just who they are.

I don't mind that, I think humor in One Piece fights is great and fanservice is a necessary evil :P but I would still like to see them look BADASS despite that...a sexy tornado...a ridiculous 3km shot...go ahead, I don't mind!

And Sanji has never had a serious fight in his life. He's cursed after all. :D

[goldb]

Yeah I can't wait to see SanJuan Wolf's whole body, he's so big that he's standing in the sea yet you can still see just about the top of his shoulders.

I think Akainu was after BB and not Bonney, it was just luck that he came across there. But its interesting to know how long the WG has been looking for her, because it could mean that she hasn't been a pirate for very long or has been running away for a while.

Since the mention of the G-5 NW Marine base, I've been wanting to see and how far into the New World it is.

[kidopitz27]

Why are some people thinking a big time skip Oda will make an arc that will last at least months in real world = a lot of days/months/ or even years in OP world

robin will meet dragon and robin wants to learn about his mother maybe dragon knows about robins mothers research about the real history can't remember the name though but it is in the island with OP on it(they think)

[Immo]

I have strange feeling that Bonney can be Akainu's daughter

[molecularpepsi]

i'm assuming that if u want to survive in the new world, you have to either ally yourself with one of the Yonkous or join one of their crews. i mean even Ace used to have his own crew but eventually joined the WB pirates.

i predict that sooner or later each and every SN will realize this.

i think Drake does not want to provoke Kaidou but rather get his attention and either join his crew or pledge his allegiance to him. being a former marine he probably is more aware of how the NW works and is not wasting any time.

eventually i predict that each SN will join or become allies with one of the Yonkous.
those that refuse will probably die, lose their crews or retreat back to paradise defeated. maybe even decide to become a shichibukai like Moria and Crocodile, regroup and then return to the NW to give it another shot.

BB said that Bonney was too weak to survive in the NW and i'm pretty sure that this applies to most if not all the other SNs. even though the spoiler about Basil getting defeated turned out to be a hoax, i think that, that will likely happen.
perhaps next chapter or in the one after Oda will show us just how terrible the NW is by revealing that the SNs got their butts handed to them.

the Mugiwara crew seem the only ones set to enter the NW with a bang! i can't wait to see them meet their first NW pirate crew and completely pwning them!

and had Rayleigh not talked to Luffy the straw hats would've just rushed into the NW like the rest of the SNs, that's why i think Law is pretty wise, especially for his age, he is unwilling to put the lives of his crew mates in danger unnecessarily.

Oda is setting One Piece up for another good 10+ years of epicness. hope i live long enough to see the end!

[llmcduff]

I have strange feeling that Bonney can be Akainu's daughter
Me too.

I really want to know what the BB's crews abilities are. We know so little about them and they haven't really fight all out. I love the current arc. Oda is opening the OP world up piece by piece. We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg and I'm looking forward to more. Every few chapters now, he's bringing forth something new or revealing more details about characters/events he mentioned before, e.g. Sabo, guy Doflamingo talking to, RA base, etc. I hope he goes into more detail later on, but it probably won't be to my satisfactory since that would mean another 20-30 years of OP at this pace. Maybe he can write a book? OP is a fascinating world.

[gpe]

So, who said One Piece don't have training arcs?? We're getting one right now, I bet everyone will train on their islands, and join later, when everybody is stronger. I like this theory of Luffy's tattoo being SA2Y, meaning they'll be on Saobondy Archipelago in 2 years.

Amazing chapter, Oda always delivers.

Major props on the tattoo SA 2Y, but does y/ years have the same meaning in japanese. Also 16 bell rings equals grove 16 is where they meet?

[Kaiser Will]

It's an interesting fact that some time ago we underestimated the NW, saying that it's no different from the first half of the Grand Line, and Oda was just exaggerating when describing that. Well, now that the story is more towards the NW, it seems that he isn't, and more, it's even not enough to describe what waits for the SH in their next adventure. It seems so unclear on how they will power up, to at least not get beaten there in the first place, and when they will finally reach, and for last, why that place is so scary, as the story makes it seems.

[Schabrak]

Eh... it's clear that NONE of the Supernova have a chance against the yonkou or else they wouldn't have problems on Shabondi Archipelago.

And only one thing is clear with the Yonkou. Kaidou would probably just take them out, Shanks and the Whitebeard Pirates on the other hand may act differently in that matter. It wouldn't help them being befriended with on Yonkou, in time meeting an opposing one.

Should they get a bounty of 500mil before thinking of switching over into the New World? That much attention would only bring an admiral on them, taking them out for sure. Yeah rushing isn't the best way, and who says they do so there? Every pirate who's able to overcome the isles of the New World will gain experience and strength.

As seen with Luffy only strong-willed pirates will have a chance there and kneeling to a Yonkou won't help them in the full journey. They have to overcome their weaknesses and get stronger. From a RPGs point of view, it's just easier to grind in the first part of the New World.

And on that tattoo matter: There is no per-cent chance that it's or is not SA2Y, as we do NOT know how it really looks like. Some people seem to be able to see ghosts here. :P

[Wisshard]

-Akainu seemed like he came specifically for bonney and not for BB. she must have some story to be that valuable. i wonder if the WG sent him or did Akainu come at his own will?

From what we can tell from the chapter, Blackbeard captured Bonney and contacted the marines to exchange her for a battleship. If the marines didn't want to go through with the deal, who else would they send to face the Blackbeard Pirates? (Akainu is a cocky one though, showing up and expecting to square of against the Blackbeard Pirates alone (no other VA's or Admirals visible)...:D) Aokiji seemed to be caught up with the administration in Marinford, Sengoku and Garp are negotiating their demotion so beside Kizaru, Akainu was the only real option.

[Schabrak]

It's more like Blackbeard was just talking ironicly, seeing it as the fate of the marines to give him a warship in exchange for the bounty of Bonny. That he didn't really mean it, could be seen, when he actually asked her to join him as his partner. There's probably a chance of 5% for an admiral to be on a warship in the New World, BB just took the risk.^^

Have to agree with rypmig. It's Odas plan to mislead us by showing unknown rituals, that mean what they are meant for. Create a furor for attention and really commemorate the deceased ones. He took his time there, that probably was a sign to do so too, but anything else is just a concept till Oda explains us, what he has signified there.

Edit: On the 16 bells. Rebornz has written a good theory (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2015315&postcount=783) about it. Seems very possible.

[ripmyg]

Major props on the tattoo SA 2Y, but does y/ years have the same meaning in japanese. Also 16 bell rings equals grove 16 is where they meet?

no offence, but i feel that it is very obvious that the 16 bell rings has absolutely nothing to do with grove 16, EVERY SH HAS RAYEIGH'S VIVRE CARD, rayleigh gave his vivre card to Shaky, Their would be no point for the bell rings to mean any location.

[Dark Doc.]

Really awesome chapter.
Had to stop reading for a while and thought after the epic war arc I would have been dissapointed, but Oda proved me to be very very wrong.

I'm a huge fan of the supernovas and enjoy the attention they are getting.
Interesting to see how the top 5 supernovas (and Killer) seem to handel/understand the NW better than the other ones...
Drake and Hawkins seemed pretty sure of they would win their battles, Kid and Killer didn't had much (visible) damage/troubles with the pirates they encountered, Law and Luffy seem to know they can't handle the NW world as they are and wait for the right time...While the others seem to have a quite difficult time.

I'm very curious what Bonney's connection to the WG was/is. It seems she ran away from them at some time and I wonder why the WG wants her back. She has to be usefull for something...

[ripmyg]

Edit: On the 16 bells. Rebornz has written a good theory (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2015315&postcount=783) about it. Seems very possible.[/QUOTE]

This is a very interesting theory, it seems possible and likely, but how would the crew understand this message? do you think a flashback will be shown having luffy talking to the crew telling them something that we have not seen? Is this how they would understand the message?

[Reverb]

Edit: On the 16 bells. Rebornz has written a good theory (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2015315&postcount=783) about it. Seems very possible.

This is a very interesting theory, it seems possible and likely, but how would the crew understand this message? do you think a flashback will be shown having luffy talking to the crew telling them something that we have not seen? Is this how they would understand the message?

come to think of its its not a bad theory it does make sense, man i can't believe there is gonna be a jump so no one piece next week, not to mention at a time like this

[kkck]

Ok, the message itself is obvious. It was stay at your islands, learn whatever you can to get stronger, then lets meet somewhere. How did the strawhats understand that? Easy, it will be explained in a flashback and it will be something we missed in between chapters....

[dark lord]

I have strange feeling that Bonney can be Akainu's daughter

this is what i call simple, yet insightful, I always admired your beautiful tone when you post such comments.

on the other hand it could be possible, since last chapter provided an approach to more deep interactions between the said characters .

[Spam286]

Theory. I think it would be particularly potent if the Strawhats first confrontation upon reuniting was with Akainu. Here's why:

For a start he killed Ace. Despite the fact that he's been set up as a powerhouse it would feel a little off if it got left to near the end of the manga to resolve that. Plus there are far too many people that Luffy needs to fight at the moment that he can avoid them all until the climax of the manga.

Second, BB just ran from him, and it would set a nice contrast to have the Strawhats stand and fight, even if they don't win.

Third, someone needs to rescue Bonney and even though the universe has a lot of depth on its own the strawhats are protagonists and thus the catalysts for solving mysteries and making stuff happen. They will almost certainly be around when we find out whatever it is that's caused friction between Bonney and the WG. Akainu seems to have a vested interest in that, so it would be odd for him to just entrust her to some underling, especially since there was apparently no VA or other similar strength officers with him at the time.

Finally Akainu seems to be the active party on the WG side for now. He's the primary mover/shaker, so unless he's called back to be fleet admiral he's going to be the one trying to quell the surge of pirate activity that will come as a result of WB's announcement and subsequent death. The New World is likely to become his hunting ground and that's exactly where the Strawhats are heading.

[k-dom]

Bonney is related to world government not to marines or Akainu

And I almost forgot but there is still an important place that Oda has not shown us since the end of the war : impel down ! I hope he reveal soon what happened to Magellan and if Bon Clay is still alive

[DeXt0R]

maybe not connected but as it seems for me , boney got a big grudge against WG and shes lost her crew:D Big chances for joining SH:D she would be perfect:D and mysterious background:D

But other than that next chapter will be probably about other sh and there way of geting stronger

[DARK]

Bonney is related to world government not to marines or Akainu

We don't know what relationship Bonney seems to have with the World Government right now. All we know is that Bonney resents the government, which is a natural instinct for a pirate. Why Akainu decided to go out of his way to save her is still unclear, although I believe that it may have to do with either her heritage (she may be related to a World Noble) or her abilities of manipulating the ages of herself and others.


And I almost forgot but there is still an important place that Oda has not shown us since the end of the war : impel down ! I hope he reveal soon what happened to Magellan and if Bon Clay is still alive

It has been revealed in an earlier chapter that Magellan and the other guards were severely beaten down and had to go into intensive treatment. More than likely by the Blackbeard Pirates and Shiliew, who is said to be Magellan's equal.

We don't know anything about Bon Clay.

End of topic.

[ripmyg]

Theory. I think it would be particularly potent if the Strawhats first confrontation upon reuniting was with Akainu. Here's why:

For a start he killed Ace. Despite the fact that he's been set up as a powerhouse it would feel a little off if it got left to near the end of the manga to resolve that. Plus there are far too many people that Luffy needs to fight at the moment that he can avoid them all until the climax of the manga.

Second, BB just ran from him, and it would set a nice contrast to have the Strawhats stand and fight, even if they don't win.

Third, someone needs to rescue Bonney and even though the universe has a lot of depth on its own the strawhats are protagonists and thus the catalysts for solving mysteries and making stuff happen. They will almost certainly be around when we find out whatever it is that's caused friction between Bonney and the WG. Akainu seems to have a vested interest in that, so it would be odd for him to just entrust her to some underling, especially since there was apparently no VA or other similar strength officers with him at the time.

Finally Akainu seems to be the active party on the WG side for now. He's the primary mover/shaker, so unless he's called back to be fleet admiral he's going to be the one trying to quell the surge of pirate activity that will come as a result of WB's announcement and subsequent death. The New World is likely to become his hunting ground and that's exactly where the Strawhats are heading.

Holly crap!!! that would be perfect, once everyone gets stronger and they eventually meet up then Luffy could enter the new world and the first thing he does is beat Akainu. that would be the perfect way to show the WG that luffy is a serious threat.
Oda needs to find a way to limit the amount of characters Luffy needs to fight.
ex. other 2 admirals, BB,Big mama, and that kainu dude, super novas, Smoker, VA's, pirate shiskababy and other encounters across the new world.

[chess4]

It has been a few weeks since this war was over and magellan is a strong guy so I'm sure he has healed. Magellan and his wardens are some cool characters and I can't see oda just tucking them away in impel down cause the story will never focus on impel down again. The marines have already lost a lot of soldiers and now garp and sengoku are about to retire the marines need some man power. Magellan is a beast and I would love to see him as a vice admiral

[White Silver King]

Hmmmm Law wants a "throne"? I'm guessing Shichibukai.

And I don't think Bonney's powers come from a Devil Fruit. Her powers don't effect clothing, which is pretty much unheard of in OP. I'm thinking that she is an experiment of Dr. Vegapunk's on giving people powers without having the consequence of not being able to swim which would make her very useful to the government. Or something like that.

[DARK]

Hmmmm Law wants a "throne"? I'm guessing Shichibukai.

Law obviously meant that he wants to become the next Pirate King. The same applies to practically every pirate who has journeyed on the Grand Line and in the New World.

[White Silver King]

Law obviously meant that he wants to become the next Pirate King. The same applies to practically every pirate who has journeyed on the Grand Line and in the New World.

.........:imslow I can't believe I didn't get that.

[hasin]

and what if bonney has been using her powers since the collapse of the ancient civilization ( for 800 years) and preventing the original 6 leaders of the world government from aging. opposing them, for 50 years she didn't make them young again, so they should have her back at all costs.

[Poneglyph420]

How Bonney's DF power works is still unknown.. however I severely doubt that her power has such a lasting effect. I personally think her DF likely has an area of effect, beyond which it's useless.. I'd also imagine the effect is not permanent. (IMHO for all the trolls out there..)

@Chess
I realy hope we get to see more of Magellan and the ID crew..
I wonder with the failure of the Luffy led escape I doubt he'd be promoted..
Either we will see ID and Bon Chan or something..
But With Magellan's "stomach condition" I wonder how effective he'd be in the seas..

[shluffy]

I wonder if we're going to have a bunch of different arcs for each single strawhat showing their power-up.

[4StepsAhead]

Holly crap!!! that would be perfect, once everyone gets stronger and they eventually meet up then Luffy could enter the new world and the first thing he does is beat Akainu. that would be the perfect way to show the WG that luffy is a serious threat.
Oda needs to find a way to limit the amount of characters Luffy needs to fight.
ex. other 2 admirals, BB,Big mama, and that kainu dude, super novas, Smoker, VA's, pirate shiskababy and other encounters across the new world.

For some reason I don't think Luffy will fight Big mama if Lola is her daughter, maybe a little skirmish with her crew then it would be all peace and love once she finds out Luffy saved Lola. THe only SN I believe Luffy may fight is Kidd...............I think Luffy will fight smoker maybe but I more see them in a situation where they have to team up together. But I wanna see Luffy own Akainu, fight Kainu and beat BB. Of course this is all in my imagination....:tem I also wanna see Luffy fight Coby :D

[k-dom]

We don't know what relationship Bonney seems to have with the World Government right now. All we know is that Bonney resents the government, which is a natural instinct for a pirate. Why Akainu decided to go out of his way to save her is still unclear, although I believe that it may have to do with either her heritage (she may be related to a World Noble) or her abilities of manipulating the ages of herself and others.
Akainu says she flew from the world governement so she had a specific relation whith it that the other pirates don't have. Plus that is not a comment that one would say to his daughter



It has been revealed in an earlier chapter that Magellan and the other guards were severely beaten down and had to go into intensive treatment. More than likely by the Blackbeard Pirates and Shiliew, who is said to be Magellan's equal.

We don't know anything about Bon Clay.

End of topic.

Well that does not change the fact that it would be interesting for Oda to focus on Impel Down in a next chapter like he has done for everyone else.

[Shadoguardian]

Personal Prediction

-Chapter 596 will probably focus on 3 to 5 of the other Strawhats and how they plan on training.
-Chapter 597 will then focus on the remaining Strawhats and Luffy.C
-Chapter 598 will probably have a piece of important news, either about the World Government, the Marines, the Schchibukai, the Yonkou, the New World, the 11 Supernovas, Blackbeard or perhaps even Fishman Island.
-Chapter 599 will have the Strawhats (minus Luffy) meeting up on Shabondy Archipelago around 2 or 3 weeks (maybe 16 days) later.
-Chapter 600 will have an awesome battle to show off the Strawhats (minus Luffy) strength.
-Chapter 601 Luffy joins the fray.

[redzrae]

Personal Prediction

-Chapter 596 will probably focus on 3 to 5 of the other Strawhats and how they plan on training.
-Chapter 597 will then focus on the remaining Strawhats and Luffy.C
-Chapter 598 will probably have a piece of important news, either about the World Government, the Marines, the Schchibukai, the Yonkou, the New World, the 11 Supernovas, Blackbeard or perhaps even Fishman Island.
-Chapter 599 will have the Strawhats (minus Luffy) meeting up on Shabondy Archipelago around 2 or 3 weeks (maybe 16 days) later.
-Chapter 600 will have an awesome battle to show off the Strawhats (minus Luffy) strength.
-Chapter 601 Luffy joins the fray.

NICE IDEA, I LIKE IT! but i have a better idea... maybe luffy will first fought an admiral, then when he is about to kill, zoro will come out, and then the rest of the strawhats
[hr]
I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE... I WANT TO SEE THEM REUNITED AGAIN!!!!!!

[creuss]

it would be a nice way to show the SH crew's strength if the monster trio take down 3 badass, big name pirates b4 reuniting...

[Dark Doc.]

it would be a nice way to show the SH crew's strength if the monster trio take down 3 badass, big name pirates b4 reuniting...

Wouldn't that be a bit of an overkill??? I mean, if they took out pirates like Doma or Whitey Bay then the strawhats would have suddenly have 3 members who could be NW captains... It would be to big of a jump in power according to me..
(if you thought of 3 big name 1ste half GL pirates, I don't consider 1st half GL pirates big after being introduced to the NW ;) )

[Mr.Popo]

Holly crap!!! that would be perfect, once everyone gets stronger and they eventually meet up then Luffy could enter the new world and the first thing he does is beat Akainu. that would be the perfect way to show the WG that luffy is a serious threat.
Not perfect, it would be a desaster, practically the end of One Piece.
If Luffy beats Akainu, he is not just a serious threat to the WG, he is the NEW WHITEBEARD!
Sorry, but when the SHs are capable of defeating an Admiral, there is not much to do and thus the story of One Piece is near it's end.
There are less stronger people they need to defeat first: a VA for example.


Theory:
What if Sabo ->meet-> Dragon ->meet-> Iva ->IS-> Bonney ??
There are some issues on SA that makes this unlikely, but who knows?

[sindergi]

For me it would be more likely : Sabo --meets--> dragon and joins the army, than sabo --meets--> Iva and than iva turns Sabo in a women so Sabo --turns to--> Bonney :D

But i dont think so.....


And my only prediction is :
The reunion of the SHs will be an ******* epic moment - i will probably cant breath for minutes after reading it.

[Wolf D. Arius]

i have been thinking about this whole meeting stuff... and i think there are a few possibilities, but i think this belongs into an other thread, cause this here is only about the next chapters (which will be released in two weeks, if i remember correctly?)

So my prediction for the next chapter is very short: theres a big surprise coming.

Lets face it, we had the reaction of all strawhats, of the marines (except garp and vegapunk, especially about the explosion of his island) and most of the pirates.

So i guess, this is were the storyline around Luffy will continue, for now, with a big surprise as sidestory. There will be NO timeskip, at least not a major one, in the next few chapters, cause i dont see a reason for that. I dont think Oda would hide the haki training, if its coming now, cause.. you know, how could he? there will be no better time and place to show it, he knows we all want to know and its all set up for this: Rayleigh is there, Luffy wants to be stronger, they are hidden and have the whole island for them, Jimbei is there for sparring, and they have set a meeting point through a signal for the strawhats at Marine HQ.

So my prediction for the next chapter will be: Training starts, there wont be a timeskip without a core explanation about haki / willpower and how its used in a fight, a sideline discovers a big surprise and it will end with another big cliffhanger ;)

[White Silver King]

Jimbei is there for sparring, and they have set a meeting point through a signal for the strawhats at Marine HQ.

And Jinbei knows Haki too (I'm guessing), so he could also be helpful in teaching Luffy. And he could also teach him some Fishmen Karate moves (like that punch he does where it still hits the enemy even if you miss) which Luffy could supplement with his DF.

[chess4]

I think next chapter we will see what kizaru is doing and 4 members of the strawhats. The past 2 chapters we have seen each of the admirals and I don't think this one will be different.

Both sanji and chopper are improving in a couple of ways in their repective positions in the crew and their fighting abilities, so I would assume all of the hats will get the same treatment.

Zoro has no real position but is the unofficial vice captain and lookout, so obviously he will get stronger but I don't know in what way. Maybe help from baboons, perona or even mihawk himself. I think mihawk will give him clues on things and zoro will get it and put in work.

Usopp obviously has to work off the weight but maybe he gets an a upgrade to his weapon and being on the island makes him braver.

Frankie needs to rebuild himself and he has some of vegapunks blueprints. Maybe he has something that can upgrade his weaponary and the sunny as well.

Brook is with the longarms now so maybe he learns some type of musical abilty from them.

Robin can't strengthen up so maybe she gets more info on void century and goes to meet dragon.

Nami will go back to weatheria and learn more about the stuff she stole and how to incoeporate it into her climatac and they might let her have that flying machine so she can add it to the soldier dock system

Luffy is obviously about to get a lesson in haki from rayleigh.

I'm sure kuma told rayleigh he saved the hats and sent them places to get stronger before they entered the new world, that's why rayleigh put luffy up 2 the message he sent them

[MonkeyDLuffy7GR]

I think next chapter we will see what kizaru is doing and 4 members of the strawhats. The past 2 chapters we have seen each of the admirals and I don't think this one will be different.

Both sanji and chopper are improving in a couple of ways in their repective positions in the crew and their fighting abilities, so I would assume all of the hats will get the same treatment.

Zoro has no real position but is the unofficial vice captain and lookout, so obviously he will get stronger but I don't know in what way. Maybe help from baboons, perona or even mihawk himself. I think mihawk will give him clues on things and zoro will get it and put in work.

Usopp obviously has to work off the weight but maybe he gets an a upgrade to his weapon and being on the island makes him braver.

Frankie needs to rebuild himself and he has some of vegapunks blueprints. Maybe he has something that can upgrade his weaponary and the sunny as well.

Brook is with the longarms now so maybe he learns some type of musical abilty from them.

Robin can't strengthen up so maybe she gets more info on void century and goes to meet dragon.

Nami will go back to weatheria and learn more about the stuff she stole and how to incoeporate it into her climatac and they might let her have that flying machine so she can add it to the soldier dock system

Luffy is obviously about to get a lesson in haki from rayleigh.

I'm sure kuma told rayleigh he saved the hats and sent them places to get stronger before they entered the new world, that's why rayleigh put luffy up 2 the message he sent them

I TOTALLY agree XD
[hr]

For me it would be more likely : Sabo --meets--> dragon and joins the army, than sabo --meets--> Iva and than iva turns Sabo in a women so Sabo --turns to--> Bonney :D

Omg Nice thought XD
Bonney holds some importance to marines..Maybe is she sister of Luffy?
Who knows...Oda has the best plot ever...

[Shadoguardian]

I think next chapter we will see what kizaru is doing and 4 members of the strawhats. The past 2 chapters we have seen each of the admirals and I don't think this one will be different.

Both sanji and chopper are improving in a couple of ways in their repective positions in the crew and their fighting abilities, so I would assume all of the hats will get the same treatment.

Zoro has no real position but is the unofficial vice captain and lookout, so obviously he will get stronger but I don't know in what way. Maybe help from baboons, perona or even mihawk himself. I think mihawk will give him clues on things and zoro will get it and put in work.

Usopp obviously has to work off the weight but maybe he gets an a upgrade to his weapon and being on the island makes him braver.

Frankie needs to rebuild himself and he has some of vegapunks blueprints. Maybe he has something that can upgrade his weaponary and the sunny as well.

Brook is with the longarms now so maybe he learns some type of musical abilty from them.

Robin can't strengthen up so maybe she gets more info on void century and goes to meet dragon.

Nami will go back to weatheria and learn more about the stuff she stole and how to incoeporate it into her climatac and they might let her have that flying machine so she can add it to the soldier dock system

Luffy is obviously about to get a lesson in haki from rayleigh.

I'm sure kuma told rayleigh he saved the hats and sent them places to get stronger before they entered the new world, that's why rayleigh put luffy up 2 the message he sent them

I agree with most of what you've had to say except the Luffy bit. Hopefully Rayleigh may explain what Haki actually is for the benefit of the readers, maybe they'll even include the different types of Haki and what they can do, but Luffy probably wouldn't understand. In the end he'll probably have to learn through sparring with Jimbei, Rayleigh and the Kuja's.

[SirJack]

Not perfect, it would be a desaster, practically the end of One Piece.
If Luffy beats Akainu, he is not just a serious threat to the WG, he is the NEW WHITEBEARD!
Sorry, but when the SHs are capable of defeating an Admiral, there is not much to do and thus the story of One Piece is near it's end.
There are less stronger people they need to defeat first: a VA for example.


Theory:
What if Sabo ->meet-> Dragon ->meet-> Iva ->IS-> Bonney ??
There are some issues on SA that makes this unlikely, but who knows?
Totally agree on this one. WE won't see Luffy beating an Admiral until a very long time.

[kal-elh]

16 rings probably meant at the beginning of the next year or in one year

( which could be enough time to train )

S - Sabo
A - ACE
2 - TO
Y - YOU

HIS FALLEN BROTHERS


NOW ABOUT BONNEY

remember that over 500 pirats were captured at Shabondy by Borsalino

why not assume she was one of them

usually the simplest explanation is the correct one.

[Bugzee]

SA2Y could also have a double meaning and purpose...

SA = Sabo & Ace/ Sabaody Archipelago

2Y = Two Yonkou's!? (Shanks & WB) / 2 years from now.

I really hope we get more info on the "SA2Y" tattoo...

[vietheart]

it would be funny if Bonney is Akainu wife

[kal-elh]

SA2Y could also have a double meaning and purpose...

SA = Sabo & Ace/ Sabaody Archipelago

2Y = Two Yonkou's!? (Shanks & WB) / 2 years from now.

I really hope we get more info on the "SA2Y" tattoo...

YONKOU / that's a no for sure

but why would he tattoo something like that

now the rings are the message and the silent prayer probably

meant to wait ore something like that

kal-elh certain colors don't show up in certain themes, please refrain from using colored fonts again, just use the regular one!

[shluffy]

Personally, I believe haki is something that each strawhat member should learn by themselves through fighting. If Rayleigh gives Luffy a haki lesson, well, that to me just sounds a bit not Oda-ish and let's face it, Luffy is an idiot and he only learns through battle. However, it doesn't really necessarily mean that Luffy needs to learn about haki before entering the New World. Look at Kidd and the other Supernovas who just entered the New World, I can't say anything about their haki but at Sabaody Archipelago, I expected Kidd to be around the same level of Luffy and since then Luffy has been through Impel Down and the war at Marineford while Kidd was possibly doing nothing. So I expect Luffy to have more haki than Kidd, which means that if Kidd is entering the New World in his state, so can Luffy.

[El-Thor]

@ shluffy : Also don't forget that Luffy has the Kings Desposition, which is supposed to be more powerful (from what I understand) than regular ol' haki << :smirk:

I think the only other SH who will develop Haki will be Zoro. Sanji won't have it but his kicks will be so powerful that he won't need it. Besides, Sanji won't ever fight a logia (i hope he will, but I doubt it).

[Zoftig_Joe]

ok does anyone else think that this guy (http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/55562012/10) is vagapunk because that is the only person i can think of it being.

as far as the next chapter its probably going to be setting up the rest of the strawhats "training"

[anaskr]

i dont think he is vegapunk... vegapunk's entry has to be epic.... It could be that vegapunk is out like SHIKI doing some research in an remote island... making the PX's at the moment and mixing devil fruits etc etc...

or maybe vegapunk has been captured and is being controlled by some other df guy who knows how to read mind or can make read minds .. or something..

[stoz500]

We don't know what relationship Bonney seems to have with the World Government right now. All we know is that Bonney resents the government, which is a natural instinct for a pirate. Why Akainu decided to go out of his way to save her is still unclear, although I believe that it may have to do with either her heritage (she may be related to a World Noble) or her abilities of manipulating the ages of herself and others.
End of topic.

I agree with you Bonney is important to the World Government and maybe Vegapunk is trying to distill or understand her power so that he can find the sceret of eternal youth. That would make her very important to the world governement. They could rule forever if they were immortal. Just a theory.
[hr]

Hmmmm Law wants a "throne"? I'm guessing Shichibukai.

And I don't think Bonney's powers come from a Devil Fruit. Her powers don't effect clothing, which is pretty much unheard of in OP. I'm thinking that she is an experiment of Dr. Vegapunk's on giving people powers without having the consequence of not being able to swim which would make her very useful to the government. Or something like that.

I doubt Law wants to be a Shichibukai. We don't know much about him but he doesn't seem to be the type take orders. I think the 'throne' he was talking about is probably metaphorical he said One piece was going anywhere so he is after it like the other SN pirates and whoever reaches one piece will be the Pirate King - that's his 'throne'.

[urlaub]

Law always seems like he has some plans and he knows something. Like some future revelations. Smirky guy. B

[Schabrak]

Like:
- the Marines going wild there, intercepting pirates from ID/GL/NW trying to start something after Whitebeards death
- those strong pirates themself, who wants to meet a group of level sixers? XD
- he's just waiting for the strains to calm a bit

Most know those risks, they still just give it a try. What else could he have meant with his words?

[dark lord]

Most of all he envies luffy, Its strange how he decided to slow down; he suspected that luffy wasnt going to enter, he did the same thing, and its strange as well how he linked one piece with luffy; as if it was a given it's luffy's.

[Lofwyr]

Hm, talking about SH improvements... I think Zorro will get Nidai Kitetsu from those insects. Like their boss owns that sword and Zorro will claim it. Then he has 3 of those 21 special swords (I think they are called Swords of Kings or so) - 3 of an equal level.
So he is prepared for the New World where he might find 3 of those ultra rare swords (12 Dragon Swords).

[deffkryz]

I think Zorro will get Nidai Kitetsu from those insects.
Primates (=monkeys=humandrills) aren't insects. And they most likely don't possess any of the great swords which have all look like katana besides Mihawk's Kokuto Yoru until now.


Like their boss owns that sword and Zorro will claim it. Then he has 3 of those 21 special swords (I think they are called Swords of Kings or so) - 3 of an equal level.

They are called Ōwazamono (大業物), an idiom which is being translated to "very sharp sword". Swords of Kings ("Königsschwerter") is the crappy German translation which is based on "ou" being a possible translation for "king" even though the term for the swords starts with a 大(おお) instead of 王(おう).


So he is prepared for the New World where he might find 3 of those ultra rare swords (12 Dragon Swords).

You should forget about "Dragon Swords" as well. As you may guess: That's also a crappy translation. The japanese term is Saijō Ōwazamono (最上大業物), again some kind of idiom which is translated as "very sharp sword of best quality". There isn't even a hint within the japanese writing on "dragons"...

And BTW... Zoro won't give his Wado Ichimonji out of his hand. Probably not even for one of those Saijō Ōwazamono.

[vagabond87]

I was looking on new color page few minutes ago and In right corner there is written "Its astounding how fast time fleets". Is it some hint to time skip or what?:darn I didnt saw it when I was reading this chapter for the first time..:eyeroll

[deffkryz]

Or is it more like a hint on that it's been 12 years OP now, and Oda has wanted to show us the FMI for more than two years now? Chapter 1 was released with Shonen Jump #34/1997, and the current chapter is published in #36-37/2010.

[Spam286]

I think I read somewhere that the first chapter was published August 4th '97 so it was recently the 13th anniversary. That's probably what the thing on the poster means, and the reason there's a poster in the first place. Then again this is Oda so we must analyse absolutely everything just in case it holds hints about future events :p

[undertoe]

Law could easily take a title as Shichibukai. Last I checked, almost ALL of the Shichibukai don't like taking orders.

[fullmoon]

Lol, a training arc is coming up after all :notrust
I expect the next chap will have 4 more SH' trainings and 597 will have Luffy with the rest and probably Coby's Haki training too :amuse

[Lord Rayleigh]

X. Drake's will to meet Kaidou makes me think there is some past story involved there. The supernova was a Rear Admiral who decided to quit the Marine, and who currently wants to meet the Yonkou Kaidou as soon as possible. There come some new theories.

To me, X. Drake is a clever character and he knows very well that he and his crew doesn't stand any chance against the Yonkou. So I guess that X. Drake has some business to do with him, possibly about the Pacifista program - remember that he revealed in Shabondy that he has some information about it.

About Kaidou's past, I bet he was a former Marine Vice-Admiral and the Commander of the former G-5 Marine Base. That's why X. Drake wants to meet him and that is also how he met Moria in the New World. He only spared Moria's life and not his crewmates' because Moria was a famous Pirate Captain and thus could be turned into a Shichibukai by the government.

Kaidou's recent decision to attack the Whitebeard Pirates was only to prevent them from going to Marineford. He thought that Whitebeard would destroy the MHQ and sink the island. If he wanted to take Whitebeard's head, he would have done it before IMO. He wanted to protect MHQ as a former Marine for some reasons, probably because it brings peace to the citizen of the World Government.

The New World is also under the complete ruling of pirates because of Kaidou's defection. With this, the Marine lost a lot of their power they had got there after the Pirate King's death. Some islands which were under the G-5 Marine Base's control also became Kaidou's. The Marine has recently developed a new G-5 Marine Base in the New World but it is always full of problems.

[urlaub]

About Kaidou's past, I bet he was a former Marine Vice-Admiral and the Commander of a Marine Base in the New World. That's why X. Drake wants to meet him and that is also how he met Moria. He only spared Moria's life and not his crewmates' because Moria was a famous Pirate Captain and thus could be turned into a Shichibukai by the government.

I like this thought. Then hw would maybe have some renegade marine soldiers too on his side. The only thing left is, what his ability is gonna be. Thus far, only shanks does not have df that we know of, and this makes him even more badass. Kaidou could have tree logia or some rock logia or maybe sea king mystic zoan? But this is offtopic anyway.

SHs should be the ones who eliminate Kaidou and I want Kaidou to be bad like Gasparde was. Drake's plans are of yet unknown, but he will not have a chance against kaidou for shure. Common, if Kaidou was good, then no emperor will face Luffy(if we presume that lolas mom is the fourth yonkou). And that is kinda dissapointing for me personally. You can always say that Luffy has tons of enemies to face, like three admirals, smoker, doflamingo , blackbeard. But still...

[undertoe]

Seakings aren't mystical, so why would the corresponding zoan fruit be?

[megamaster]

Seakings aren't mystical, so why would the corresponding zoan fruit be?

I'm Guessing they didn't have them( Sea kings) before the Great Void in history

so the dinosaur fruit is from the time before the great void

[White Silver King]

Kaidou's recent decision to attack the Whitebeard Pirates was only to prevent them from going to Marineford. He thought that Whitebeard would destroy the MHQ and sink the island. If he wanted to take Whitebeard's head, he would have done it before IMO. He wanted to protect MHQ as a former Marine for some reasons, probably because it brings peace to the citizen of the World Government.

From what little we know about him I don't get that nice guy, noble actions for the betterment of the world from Kaidou. I have a feeling he's gonna be the "bad" Yonkou.

[fcToho]

And I think we need at least one "bad" yonkou. Whitebeard, Shanks, Big Mom (propably) are all the "good ones".
Although Blackbeard is there as some kind of bad future yonkou.

[megamaster]

And I think we need at least one "bad" yonkou. Whitebeard, Shanks, Big Mom (propably) are all the "good ones".
Although Blackbeard is there as some kind of bad future yonkou.

True if there was a bad one then Shanks and Whitebeard would have taken them out.
And from what I understand Yonkou strength lies in making powerful allies. I doubt many would be loyal to a bad Yonkou.

[White Silver King]

True if there was a bad one then Shanks and Whitebeard would have taken them out.
And from what I understand Yonkou strength lies in making powerful allies. I doubt many would be loyal to a bad Yonkou.

There's plenty of bad people in the OP world, Shanks and WB didn't go after all them. They don't get involved in things that don't concern them. And there are plenty of powerful bad guys who would be loyal to a bad Yonkou.

[megamaster]

There's plenty of bad people in the OP world, Shanks and WB didn't go after all them. They don't get involved in things that don't concern them. And there are plenty of powerful bad guys who would be loyal to a bad Yonkou.

Whitebeard controlled Mermaids Island because they were suffering.
Moria and crocodile were bad and they were defeated and kicked out of the new world. I have yet too see and example of a bad pirate in the New world except Shiki and he even said I am man who would do anything for my Nakama.
A bad Yokono would rule with fear and his allies would betray him the minute someone capable of defeating him came along. ie Whitebeard

[White Silver King]

^And guess who's dead. Moria being "kicked out" of the New World had nothing to due with his alignment, it was because he was weak. And I don't recall any mention of Crocodile having gone to the New World and being "kicked out".

[Spam286]

Whitebeard controlled Mermaids Island because they were suffering.
Moria and crocodile were bad and they were defeated and kicked out of the new world. I have yet too see and example of a bad pirate in the New world except Shiki and he even said I am man who would do anything for my Nakama.
A bad Yokono would rule with fear and his allies would betray him the minute someone capable of defeating him came along. ie Whitebeard

Bad people fight other bad people all the time. Even if Moria were a meanie back then (something we don't know for sure, I thought it was implied he was pretty much the same as Luffy until Kaido flattened him, then he got all dejected and decided to build a zombie army instead of gathering a proper crew again.) that doesn't mean Kaido is a good guy.

Besides we know full well the OP world is full of asshats. Why would one of them turn on Kaido to join WB if WB wouldn't allow them to rape and pillage in a pirate-y fashion? Chances are if Kaido is the only "bad" Yonkou he's surrounded by fairly loyal bad pirates because all their other options would leave them unable to do what they want to do while they're still working under a stronger pirate. Overall a worse situation for them.

EDITZORZ:


^And guess who's dead. Moria being "kicked out" of the New World had nothing to due with his alignment, it was because he was weak. And I don't recall any mention of Crocodile having gone to the New World and being "kicked out".

We know Croc has a history with WB and we know he came out of whatever happened on the losing end. He also said he was going "back" to the new world so we are assuming that he went to the NW, got beaten by WB, ran away like a little girl and decided to try and revive Pluton because he wasn't strong enough the first time. Even if that's not quite it it's the most likely scenario.

[megamaster]

^And guess who's dead. Moria being "kicked out" of the New World had nothing to due with his alignment, it was because he was weak. And I don't recall any mention of Crocodile having gone to the New World and being "kicked out".

Crocodile Said "You weren't this weak when you fought me" to whitebeard

[bittman]

Though I like some of Lord Rayleigh's theory, I do agree that Kaidou is most likely to be the "bad" Yonkou. If only for the sake that there needs to be a "bad strong pirate" in the NW besides Blackbeard.

Because, if it's just Blackbeard Luffy's last few fights will look like this:

Marine > Marine > Marine > Marine > Supernova (Pirate) > Marine > Marine > Blackbeard (Pirate)

Gets a bit dull.

[jm]

i think kaidou was trying to slow down whitebeard one so whitebeard would be to late to save ace. killing off the guy most people thought whitebeard was trying to turn into the pirate king. two or to keep the balance between the three powers. i would agree that i would be cool if he was a former marine.

he can be bad. hell him and big whatever could both be "bad".

my guess is that the emperors don't fight with each other knowing that would there be no grantee of winning but also that the other emperors, the WG, the seven warlords and/or etc might strike the winner hoping to catch them weak after a battle. so they generally avoid battling each other.

[hy4k]

I doubt big mom is "good". Hell, I doubt Shanks is either. He was part of roger's crew and it sounds as if they did some brutal shit in the past

as for Kaidou I agree with Lord Rayleigh. Guy is an ex-marine. It explains X-Drake and it's something i've suspected for a while. But I would imagine that he is an ex-admiral who came up with Sengoku. Perhaps a bit younger

[WickedNeko]

You know, Yonkou really aren't pirates in the New World in traditional sense (or even in One Piece sense). They seem to be functioning as de facto governments of New World, each with their "national" territories, military force to enforce the rule over the territories, and subjects to rule over.

On that basis, I kind of have the feeling that Shanks is in control of Raftel (or sealane necessary to reach Raftel) where One Piece is located. If not Shanks, who else will have both the knowledge (as former Roger crew) and power (as Yonkou)? And if not protected, someone like Kaidou would have eventually reached Raftel by now with the help of Log Pose.

On a totally unrelated note, you know how doctor told Coby that everyone with rank / ability of VA or above can use haki? Remember how Sentoumaru claimed he had the "best" defense? Do you suppose this means that Sentoumaru has specialized variation of haki that we haven't heard of (kind of like defensive version of king haki), since normal haki, being so relatively common among marines, alone probably won't grant him the title of "greatest defense"?

[jm]

there seem to be different ways to uses haki that luffy himself seem to use.

when he knocks out people that is one use.
when you add power to something like arrows and a sword that is one.
countering a devil fruit.
this prediction/mantra/ whatever power. he uses that vs hawkeyes.

that ax kid focused on the prediction.

[White Silver King]

I doubt big mom is "good". Hell, I doubt Shanks is either. He was part of roger's crew and it sounds as if they did some brutal shit in the past

"Good" isn't a word you can use to describe anybody in this entire series (maybe except for Coby). 99% of the people in this manga are either corrupt Marines or Pirates. Neither of those are "good". "Nice" would be the best way to describe the "good" people in this series. Shanks IMO is pretty nice. And Big Momma seems nice enough (her daughter was quite pleasant and she is an honorable woman).

[megamaster]

"Good" isn't a word you can use to describe anybody in this entire series (maybe except for Coby). 99% of the people in this manga are either corrupt Marines or Pirates. Neither of those are "good". "Nice" would be the best way to describe the "good" people in this series. Shanks IMO is pretty nice. And Big Momma seems nice enough (her daughter was quite pleasant and she is an honorable woman).

We haven't confirmed Lola was her Daughter have we

[undertoe]

We haven't confirmed Lola was her Daughter have we

No. There's only vague evidence at best.

[White Silver King]

We haven't confirmed Lola was her Daughter have we

-_-; People are still questioning whether or not Lola is Big Momma's daughter?

[SenninSage]

Watch Big Momma be really attractive and not look anything like her daughter.

I'm also willing to bet that she doesn't look anywhere old enough to be Lola's mother. In fact, she'll look like a younger sister of sorts.

[White Silver King]

Watch Big Momma be really attractive and not look anything like her daughter.

If the picture that was shown of her and Kaidou during Garps speech about the Yonkou, that isn't the case in the slightest.

[shluffy]

And if not protected, someone like Kaidou would have eventually reached Raftel by now with the help of Log Pose.

I thought Raftel was unable to be reached by a Log Pose?

[damane08]

-_-; People are still questioning whether or not Lola is Big Momma's daughter?

apparently so.... Lola called her mother "mama" and that she's a pirate that lives in the NW and then we find out that the last yonkou's name is Big Mom and then everyone's like; "Big Mom has to be Lola's mother." until we have definitive proof of that then you probably shouldn't say that the way you did.

I'm on the fence with it simply because Moria was in the new world and he should've at least known who Big Mom was and then he should know her daughter or even heard of her...... he stole her shadow three years before Luffy got there. if Moria didn't know who her mother was, you'd think she'd say something like; "my mother is the yonkou Big Mom," to see if it would scare Moria a bit or something along those lines. of course this is just an assumption dudes. It is neither right nor wrong (apparently some people need to be told that)

[Lee-tyme7]

YONKOU / that's a no for sure

but why would he tattoo something like that

now the rings are the message and the silent prayer probably

meant to wait ore something like that

kal-elh certain colors don't show up in certain themes, please refrain from using colored fonts again, just use the regular one!

If his tattoo is a message then why didn't he just say some code to the press about it? Why do he want something like that permanent on his arm?

[vagabond87]

If the picture that was shown of her and Kaidou during Garps speech about the Yonkou, that isn't the case in the slightest.

We all shouldnt discuss about something that wasnt clearly shown in the manga and we are certain of it. So discussion about how BM looks like is pointles. We only see one drawing with head of someone in shadows. I think that BM is fat smiling person but we dont know it until we see. Big Mama will be probably reveled as last emperor- in latest chapter we was shown that Kaidou will be reveled earlier because Drake is provoking him and its hint that Oda probably is building up his reveal. And about something(Lola being daughter of Big Mama) you consider to be as you see it- in One Piece we saw dozens of times that we thought something is as we see it but in final it wasnt. Just like Buggys letter "from goverment with proposition to became one of the warlords" turned out to be letter form Moria.

[red-hair himself]

Just like Buggys letter "from goverment with proposition to became one of the warlords" turned out to be letter form Moria.

what proof do you have of this

[Fox666]

Just like Buggys letter "from goverment with proposition to became one of the warlords" turned out to be letter form Moria.Uhh... what? I don't remember the letter content being revealed... in fact, the letter was from the government, which Moria is no longer part of. :blink

[MonkeyDLuffy7GR]

On a totally unrelated note, you know how doctor told Coby that everyone with rank / ability of VA or above can use haki? Remember how Sentoumaru claimed he had the "best" defense? Do you suppose this means that Sentoumaru has specialized variation of haki that we haven't heard of (kind of like defensive version of king haki), since normal haki, being so relatively common among marines, alone probably won't grant him the title of "greatest defense"?

Best Defence he means the Pacifistas and his King's Desposition (Haki)...
Vegapunk has also Pacifistas but he may lack in Haki.

[Fox666]

You know, Yonkou really aren't pirates in the New World in traditional sense (or even in One Piece sense). They seem to be functioning as de facto governments of New World, each with their "national" territories, military force to enforce the rule over the territories, and subjects to rule over.

On that basis, I kind of have the feeling that Shanks is in control of Raftel (or sealane necessary to reach Raftel) where One Piece is located. If not Shanks, who else will have both the knowledge (as former Roger crew) and power (as Yonkou)? And if not protected, someone like Kaidou would have eventually reached Raftel by now with the help of Log Pose.Well, I would bet each "route" taken by Log Pose represents a Yonkou territory...

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/4479/142904-grandline_paths_super.jpg

Since Roger is said to be the only one to have ever reached it, I would guess the Yonkou territory count only where the Yonkou have reached so far...

By the way, the current character locations:
- Whitebeard territory: Hawkins
- Kaidou territory: X. Drake
- Unknow territory: Blackbeard and Bonney - Eustass Kid - Capone - Urouge - Appo
- Yet in Grand Line: Trafalgar Law - main characters

[vagabond87]

what proof do you have of this

http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/66085019/20
Carrier bat sugested me that but its only prediction of mine right now.
MR3 could think that letter form one of the warlords is letter form goverment.
I dont have solid proof.

[MonkeyDLuffy7GR]

http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/66085019/20
Carrier bat sugested me that but its only prediction of mine right now.


Yeah it can be moria..Moria will surely team up with Perona again and meet straw hats coz Perona will come with Zoro to SA..That's what i predict...
(Moria joining Straw Hats?? :tem)

[Dark Doc.]

http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/66085019/20
Carrier bat sugested me that but its only prediction of mine right now.
MR3 could think that letter form one of the warlords is letter form goverment.

Nice thought on the bat, but I think Mr. 3 is smart enough to know that the WG and Shichi are not that close to each other. So if the letter was Moria's he would go like: Oh, the letter is signed with Moria, then the WG sent it...
The most likely explination is a Shichi invite (which would be a huge scouting faillure from the WG's side :D, although Buggy's reputation skyrocketed after the war. ). But sometimes in OP the most logical thing to happen is the thing thats the least true...so who know..

[MonkeyDLuffy7GR]

The most likely explination is a Shichi invite (which would be a huge scouting faillure from the WG's side :D, although Buggy's reputation skyrocketed after the war. )

In the last manga they said that they want people with influence for the position of Schichibukai.And as we know Buggy is easily manipulating that bunch of high bounty pirates...

[Fox666]

Aren't Moria brick bats quite stylized? I don't think that one looks like it. Also, I doubt his Kage Kage no Mi has such a range to reach different islands...

[MonkeyDLuffy7GR]

Aren't Moria brick bats quite stylized? I don't think that one looks like it. Also, I doubt his Kage Kage no Mi has such a range to reach different islands...

True but we can still dream cannot we???
WG using bats is quite weird...Since bats connected with Moria...Anyway...

[SirJack]

there seem to be different ways to uses haki that luffy himself seem to use.

when he knocks out people that is one use.
when you add power to something like arrows and a sword that is one.
countering a devil fruit.
this prediction/mantra/ whatever power. he uses that vs hawkeyes.

that ax kid focused on the prediction.

True. I'm sure that King's Haki gives a person an enormous amount of power. But probably we'll find this out much later in the manga.
I think Rufy will now become stronger by learning some Fishmen Karate and the basic form of Haki.

PS: I read on shonenjump.com that next issue is coming out 08/23.
Since last one was a double issue, is Oda taking a 2 week hiatus?

[Me2Ecchi]

True. I'm sure that King's Haki gives a person an enormous amount of power. But probably we'll find this out much later in the manga.
I think Rufy will now become stronger by learning some Fishmen Karate and the basic form of Haki.

PS: I read on shonenjump.com that next issue is coming out 08/23.
Since last one was a double issue, is Oda taking a 2 week hiatus?

shonenjump comes out at monday. that mean that next release will be from 2 weeks from today. Anyway we always got the scalations before the release of the magazine.

[stoz500]

Law could easily take a title as Shichibukai. Last I checked, almost ALL of the Shichibukai don't like taking orders.

True but I still don't think Law seems the type. All the Shichibukai have their own reasons for being one but mostly I think its because it gave them a certain immunity from the World Governement/Marines so they can pursue their own agendas.

Kuma - double agent for RA

Boa -to protect Amazon Lily

Doflamingo -is a schemer and is working with someone in the world
government (Vegapunk?) who may have a different agenda than the WG or Marines. I think he likes chaos and is as happy to cause the WG grief from the inside as fight pirates. He'll use his position to gain any advantage and fulfil his sense of 'fun'.

Mihawk -Likes fighting against powerful opponents and uses his role as
shichbukai to fight pirates 'legitimately' without the aggravation of the WG or Marines chasing him.

Crocodile - Is a little like Doflamingo and used his position to develop his schemes under the noses of the WG.

Blackbeard -Used his position to further his plans and 'Shake the World'

Jimbei - although Fishman Island was under the protection of Whitebeard from pirates I think Jimbei being a Shichibukai guaranteed Fishman island some protection from the Government or Marines as well.

Moria - After his defeat by Kaidou seemed to ahve certain 'fear' of the new world. He gained a certain amount of prestige/ protection from the WG which allowed him to continue his ambitions in some form.

All the above are older and been around for some time. For their own reasons they decided that being a Shichibukai was advantageous to their goals. Law is still young and I believe (at this point at least) wants to make his splash under his banner. Buggy would be a prime candidate for Shichibukai because it would fit his schemes and ambitions perfectly. I think of all the Supernova Kidd and maybe Capone are the only ones who would consider it if approached.

[Shadoguardian]

You know, I don't know if anyone has already posted this theory, but what are the chances that Absalom saved Moria? Donquixote did say that Moria just disappeared, and I don't think the Pacifistas are fitted thermal or Infra-red vision, so there is a chance, right?

[4StepsAhead]

Best Defence he means the Pacifistas and his King's Desposition (Haki)...
Vegapunk has also Pacifistas but he may lack in Haki.

I don't think Broad Axe has the King's Desposition....I think he has the same type of Haki as Boa's sister......which is the ability to repel physical attacks as well as counters someone's DF ability. I think normal Haki may just grant someone the power to increase your attack power, or harden objects, but that's just my opinion.

I think the King's haki maybe able to use all forms of Haki which would kinda make sense.......... I quoted Jm down below since he listed most the forms that we've seen


there seem to be different ways to uses haki that luffy himself seem to use.

when he knocks out people that is one use.
when you add power to something like arrows and a sword that is one.
countering a devil fruit.
this prediction/mantra/ whatever power. he uses that vs hawkeyes.

that ax kid focused on the prediction.

I'd also like to add to that there is a defensive form of Haki which both Broad Axe and Boa's sister used against Luffy.

[SirJack]

shonenjump comes out at monday. that mean that next release will be from 2 weeks from today. Anyway we always got the scalations before the release of the magazine.

So no One piece this or next week...argh.:(

[MonkeyDLuffy7GR]

You know, I don't know if anyone has already posted this theory, but what are the chances that Absalom saved Moria? Donquixote did say that Moria just disappeared, and I don't think the Pacifistas are fitted thermal or Infra-red vision, so there is a chance, right?

Yeah...Maybe Moria reunites himself with Absalom and as i said with Perona too...But if he will meet perona he will meet strawhats too.
Anyway Oda is awesome plotter so we just just have to wait.

Btw I do not think that the guy flamingo was talking to was Vegapunk.
I imagine Vegapunk as a man who would speak through den den mushis or some kind of screen (TV) and living among his inventions with the guard of Pacifistas.

[kkck]

You know, the last chapters have me wondering.... just how strong are BB's older crewmembers? I was under the impression they would be a lot weaker than the new ones but the last chapter has kinda made me reconsider. Could his older crewmembers be as strong as the new ones? First, we see lafite talking to that avalo guy like if he could do him in, then we have that jewelry bonney, one of the supernova, is actually too weak to join BBs crew. In that sense, even his older crewmembers should be quite stronger than a supernova. If that is the case, then BB's crew would be even stronger than what it currently seems.

[Ramstain]

Forms of Haki:
Strength
Defense
Prediction (Or better yet, Understanding/Comprehension)

Haki is available in differing strengths and main focuses to people. Some are born with it, some are not, some have it naturally, some dont. Extreme circumstances may trigger it.

Example: The girl on skypea. She had the ability of "mantra" which was the ability to hear people (most probably linked with prediction).
Coby also developed this ability during the war (confirmed as haki last chapter).
Expect that Zoro's "hearing the voice of the metal" is a form of this haki.

Items can be imbued with "strength haki", as told by the Kuja warriors. Haki can also be used to add extra strength to an attack (Luffy vs Bacura). Strength Haki is also able to temporarily neutralize DF abilities, due to them being overpowered (Marco actually managing to cut Akainu). This however, differs with strengths of haki. (Notice, using a sword to block a logia attack would be the same as imbuing an arrow with haki. The haki is channeled through the sword to block the attack)

Defense is similar to strength, in that the haki is focused on a specific point and used to boost it up or counterattack (Axe guy + snake sisters).

I would also go so far as to say that haki influences a persons regenerative capabilities as well, which is why luffy can recover from any damage so quickly (similar to Ki, chakra, etc. in other manga).

Haki is able to be learned by anybody. Haki is willpower, and gained through rigorous training. If they have the will to go forward with the training, they will manifest it to some degree.

King's Disposition however, is a much stronger variety of haki, able to be used to blast opponents with it. If they do not have sufficient willpower to withstand it, then they will faint. It would also provide a stronger defense, offense and predictive abilities (If one could completely master their KD Haki, they would be unbeatable).

KD Haki is also transmissible to offspring. Dragon -> Luffy, Gol D Roger -> Ace, etc (meaning Garp should have it too, or at least Dragon's mother, whoever she is).

On top of that, people known to have possessed the King's Disposition are:
Whitebeard
Gol D Roger (Not 100% proven, however assume that is the reason why it is known as the KING's disposition. If Rayleigh had it, so should Roger).
Ace
*Garp (See above)
Dragon
Luffy
Shanks
Rayleigh
Hancock

[Spam286]

We know Lafitte is strong, at least, we know he's powerful which isn't quite the same thing. He appeared in Mar-whatever-it-is the holy land unimpeded to recommend BB to the Shichibukai and he was the one who got into the Gates of Justice control room unnoticed to hypnotize the dude to open them. I get the impression he's a skill over strength type. As for the others we can't really know because we haven't seen them do much.

But remember BB is a parallel of Luffy, and Luffy's crew isn't built only for strength. Doc is obvious, but maybe Jesus is a cook or a shipwright. Evil needs these things too.

[MonkeyDLuffy7GR]

You know, the last chapters have me wondering.... just how strong are BB's older crewmembers? I was under the impression they would be a lot weaker than the new ones but the last chapter has kinda made me reconsider. Could his older crewmembers be as strong as the new ones? First, we see lafite talking to that avalo guy like if he could do him in, then we have that jewelry bonney, one of the supernova, is actually too weak to join BBs crew. In that sense, even his older crewmembers should be quite stronger than a supernova. If that is the case, then BB's crew would be even stronger than what it currently seems.

It is already known that Blackbeard's crew (b4 Impel down Arc) was really awesome.Everyone had unique abilites.For Example u saw how accurately D Auge predicted where bullets would hit and how accurate his hits are.So goes for the others.I do not think Blackbeard would choose members at random....
[hr]

We know Lafitte is strong, at least, we know he's powerful which isn't quite the same thing. He appeared in Mar-whatever-it-is the holy land unimpeded to recommend BB to the Shichibukai and he was the one who got into the Gates of Justice control room unnoticed to hypnotize the dude to open them. I get the impression he's a skill over strength type. As for the others we can't really know because we haven't seen them do much.

As for Laffite he is able to use Soru (as far as I know)...
Also he must have the owl Zoan D.F coz during the envasion in Impel Down his hands were transformed in wings and also he is able to hypnotize ppl.So i conclude he has a Zoan D.F 100% and mb he is an owl or a mythical/ancient one...

[Bugzee]

Aren't Moria brick bats quite stylized? I don't think that one looks like it. Also, I doubt his Kage Kage no Mi has such a range to reach different islands...

Same here. It would be quite an impressive feat if he could use and switch with his brick bat shadow between islands...but it's highly unlikely that he can or will. It's interesting how a WG bat was used to deliver the "invitation" to Buggy after the moments of Moria's failed excuetion plot lol. Is there a significant connection (WG Bat & Moria)? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it was Absalom who saved Moria but daamnnn. I sure would like to know how the hell he was able to lift and carry Gecko. xD Or maybe he was already in pieces...? :p


If that is the case, then BB's crew would be even stronger than what it currently seems.

That's most likely the case imo. We've barely seen much action from the older crew members too. Laffitte is the one that stands out for me. His got the skill and knowledge that kinda holds the BB crew together (not in the sense that they have a strong bond as "friends"); I'm guessing his the main one who comes up with the strategic plans (off course BB does this himself too)...similar to how Sanji does it for the SH's. Some of their physical appearances put you in doubt of their strength/ability like Doctor Q for instance but I'm sure that they can stand up for themselves in a one to one fight better than the SH's atm...;)

[kkck]

It is already known that Blackbeard's crew (b4 Impel down Arc) was really awesome.Everyone had unique abilites.For Example u saw how accurately D Auge predicted where bullets would hit and how accurate his hits are.So goes for the others.I do not think Blackbeard would choose members at random....
True, we saw they were incredible before but their suggested level now is much higher than what it use to be IMO. In the past it would seem realistic that among the BB pirates only BB himself would be at a level above any of the strawhats while the original crewmembers would not seem that above the monster trio in general. On the other hand, now we have bonney being too weak to be considered to be a BB pirate basically. This would suggest all of the current members are actually a lot stronger than she is. How much stronger? If the strength of the old crewmembers is as much as the strength of the new ones then basically even the weakest of the BB pirates would give any (and perhaps all) of the strawhats the fodder treatment. Before, burges or lafite would have seem to be on the league or perhaps weaker than luffy or zoro but now it would the extreme opposite is the case.

[MonkeyDLuffy7GR]

I'm pretty sure it was Absalom who saved Moria but daamnnn. I sure would like to know how the hell he was able to lift and carry Gecko. xD Or maybe he was already in pieces...? :p


He may not lift him...He could have just touched him and make him invisible.....So Don Flamingo thought he dissappeared or left..

[White Silver King]

On top of that, people known to have possessed the King's Disposition are:
Whitebeard
Gol D Roger (Not 100% proven, however assume that is the reason why it is known as the KING's disposition. If Rayleigh had it, so should Roger).
Ace
*Garp (See above)
Dragon
Luffy
Shanks
Rayleigh

None of the bolded people are confirmed KD Haki users. And KD Haki being hereditary completely trashes it's reputation as being 1 in a million.

[MonkeyDLuffy7GR]

None of the bolded people are confirmed KD Haki users. And KD Haki being hereditary completely trashes it's reputation as being 1 in a million.

I agree.
Ok everyone will say why reyleigh he was vice admiral in Roger's ship e.t.c.
That's why.If he had King's Disposition why he was the Vice Captain?
Or if he had KD he could easily handle Kizaru.....(due to his experience)

[vagabond87]

None of the bolded people are confirmed KD Haki users. And KD Haki being hereditary completely trashes it's reputation as being 1 in a million.

You should read one of the latest SBS..
Ace have kings haki because its only that kind of it that makes people faint after the outburst. And if Luffy has it and after words from Doberman that is obvious that son of Dragon have Kings haki its pretty much confirmed to me that Dragon has it as well. And KD Haki being hereditary dont trash its reputation as being 1 in a million at all... That is statistic and milions of families in One Piece doesnt have hereditary KD... We can assume that in OP world lives many milions of people so there is many people with Kings Haki.
Waiting for some arguments disproving what I wrote in my post if you dont agree with me after reading everything what I wrote here.


I agree.
Ok everyone will say why reyleigh he was vice admiral in Roger's ship e.t.c.
That's why.If he had King's Disposition why he was the Vice Admiral?
Or if he had KD he could easily handle Kizaru.....(due to his experience)

Rayleight was Vice Capitan and not Vice Admiral(that status function only in the marines). He was Vice Capitan because ha had ambition like that. He probably was strong enough to make his own crew and rampage oceans on his own but he decided to be right arm of his friend and capitan that he belived in. He couldnt handle Kizaru because he is old and he said in fight with Admiral that he want to help strawhats but he isnt as young as he used to be. So we can assume that he was clearly above Admiral level in his younger days in Rogers crew. Whitebeard had Kings haki and didnt easliy handeled any of Admirals during the War. Kings haki isnt "owning everyone without breaking a sweat" power. Or simply I dont see it that way...

[Yans86]

I find pretty interesting how this chapters already made people forgot about 2 big issues:

1)Robin being the light of revolution and the approach of the meeting between the revolutionaris commanders scattered around the world

2)"Pacifista" Bartholomew Kuma showing up at Shakky's place....

Oda is filling us with so much beatiful and interesting material that sometimes we forget even such iportant happenings!

Notice also that just the fact that at the beginning Robin refused to go with the revolutionaries and then accepted is showing that a Huge reunion will happen soon XD Many sick things are going to happen,we r approaching chapter 600 and we r far from the end of the manga.....I'm lovin it!!!

PS
Kaido will be shown to be a huberpowerful Cyborg!!!I won't be surprised if the pacifista were meant also to defeat him ihihih

[cobrahc]

Well, I would bet each "route" taken by Log Pose represents a Yonkou territory...

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/4479/142904-grandline_paths_super.jpg

Since Roger is said to be the only one to have ever reached it, I would guess the Yonkou territory count only where the Yonkou have reached so far...

By the way, the current character locations:
- Whitebeard territory: Hawkins
- Kaidou territory: X. Drake
- Unknow territory: Blackbeard and Bonney - Eustass Kid - Capone - Urouge - Appo
- Yet in Grand Line: Trafalgar Law - main characters

I really loved your theory. Just want to add one thing. Blackbeard is probably in the Whitebeard territory. I presume that based in what the 5 elders said.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/73264755/3
I think what the elder meant was "Blackbeard already know the Whitebeards Territory" (as stated in the spoilers thread).
Anyone that know Japanese can tell me that it can be interpreted as territory?

[kanmati]

Level S = GOROUSEI,WHITEBEARD,KAIDOU,KONG,BIG MOM, SHANK,DRAGON,GOLD.D.ROGER
LEVEL A = Admiral, Garp & Sengoku, Rayleigh, Blackbeard, Marco, Mihawk(unrevealed devil fruit),Magellan,Ben Beckman,Lucky Roo.
LEVEL A.2=Jozu,Vista,Yassop,Shiryuu.
LEVEL B =IVANKOV,Do Flamingo, Jimbei, Ace, Kuma,hancock,Blackbeard member except shiryuu,Shiki(lucky hit by luffy).axeman
LEVEL B.2= ENEL(defeat by luffy becoz natural enemy Devil fruit),VICE ADMIRAL
LEVEL C=Luffy, sanji, &supernova, Rucci, Moria,Crocodile,Jyabura & Kaku.
LEVEL D= Franky,Mr.1. Brooke, Robin,Blueno & other CP9,Don Click, Gin, Arlong,Hannybal,Captain Kuro,Chooper ,Wapol,Bellamy,T Bone,Absalom,Duval,Mr 2
LEVEL D.2= Mr3,Buggy,Usop,Alvida ,Nami,Hatchan,chess,Kurumino,Mr4,Mr 5,Foxy,Hogback,Perona
LEVEL E= Wy wy,Mohji,Richie,kabaji,Jango,

[White Silver King]

And if Luffy has it and after words from Doberman that is obvious that son of Dragon have Kings haki its pretty much confirmed to me that Dragon has it as well. And KD Haki being hereditary dont trash its reputation as being 1 in a million at all... That is statistic and milions of families in One Piece doesnt have hereditary KD... We can assume that in OP world lives many milions of people so there is many people with Kings Haki.
Waiting for some arguments disproving what I wrote in my post if you dont agree with me after reading everything what I wrote here.

Doberman's words have nothing to do with Dragon having KD Haki or Luffy. He said all VA are trained in the usage of haki. I don't understand how you pull that KD Haki is hereditary or that Dragon has it from that. And it being hereditary WOULD destroy the meaning of KD Haki. If it was hereditary then it would spread throughout the world until it was no longer 1 in a million (if we follow your logic and Luffy has kids with Boa, their kids will certainly have it and their kids will have it and their kids will have it and so on. As the family grows and spreads out KD Haki becomes more common and that's not including the other couple hundred people that have KD Haki.) Not to mention the fact that KD Haki being hereditary would completely eliminate it's specialness because it's not just exclusive to powerful people who will one day change the world all you have to do is have a kid and they automatically have it. What's special about that?

But I do agree with you that Dragon most likely has KD Haki. I don't have any proof of that, because none exists, but I still think it's likely.

[Fox666]

I really loved your theory. Just want to add one thing. Blackbeard is probably in the Whitebeard territory. I presume that based in what the 5 elders said.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/73264755/3
I think what the elder meant was "Blackbeard already know the Whitebeards Territory" (as stated in the spoilers thread).
Anyone that know Japanese can tell me that it can be interpreted as territory?You are right about that. Blackbeard wants to replace Whitebeard as a Yonkou, so he is on his territory now.

You know, I don't know if anyone has already posted this theory, but what are the chances that Absalom saved Moria? Donquixote did say that Moria just disappeared, and I don't think the Pacifistas are fitted thermal or Infra-red vision, so there is a chance, right?Not the first time I heard about Absalom saving Moria...

But what Moria did is not just switching with Doppleman? The same he used to avoid Robin breaking his neck... it fit Doflamingo's description of "disappearing in the air"

I'm pretty sure it was Absalom who saved Moria but daamnnn. I sure would like to know how the hell he was able to lift and carry Gecko. xD Or maybe he was already in pieces...? :pTheorically Absalom could do so... his body is suffered a series of transplants of animals and he is times stronger than a normal human. So he can carry a 7 meter (22 feet) tall man on his own... and he probably did so when he took an unconscious Moria away from Thrilliar Bark.

Doberman's words have nothing to do with Dragon having KD Haki or Luffy. He said all VA are trained in the usage of haki. I don't understand how you pull that KD Haki is hereditary or that Dragon has it from that. And it being hereditary WOULD destroy the meaning of KD Haki. If it was hereditary then it would spread throughout the world until it was no longer 1 in a million (if we follow your logic and Luffy has kids with Boa, their kids will certainly have it and their kids will have it and their kids will have it and so on. As the family grows and spreads out KD Haki becomes more common and that's not including the other couple hundred people that have KD Haki.) Not to mention the fact that KD Haki being hereditary would completely eliminate it's specialness because it's not just exclusive to powerful people who will one day change the world all you have to do is have a kid and they automatically have it. What's special about that?

But I do agree with you that Dragon most likely has KD Haki. I don't have any proof of that, because none exists, but I still think it's likely.Okay... but what are the chances them of father and son both having King Haki? Because Ace has it, and does anyone doubt Roger do too?

[llmcduff]

I find pretty interesting how this chapters already made people forgot about 2 big issues:

1)Robin being the light of revolution and the approach of the meeting between the revolutionaris commanders scattered around the world

2)"Pacifista" Bartholomew Kuma showing up at Shakky's place....

Oda is filling us with so much beatiful and interesting material that sometimes we forget even such iportant happenings!

Notice also that just the fact that at the beginning Robin refused to go with the revolutionaries and then accepted is showing that a Huge reunion will happen soon XD Many sick things are going to happen,we r approaching chapter 600 and we r far from the end of the manga.....I'm lovin it!!!

PS
Kaido will be shown to be a huberpowerful Cyborg!!!I won't be surprised if the pacifista were meant also to defeat him ihihih
Amen, brother, amen! The past few chapters, Oda throws so many things out there it's dizzying. He's laying the foundation for everything to come. From what you just mentioned to Rayleigh being so deeply involved to Smoker asking for a transfer to Sengoku stepping down to Akainu being so active to that guy talking to Doflamingo to Sabo to argh!!!

It's great to be a fan of OP at the moment. The possibilities are endless.

[vagabond87]

Doberman's words have nothing to do with Dragon having KD Haki or Luffy. He said all VA are trained in the usage of haki. I don't understand how you pull that KD Haki is hereditary or that Dragon has it from that.
Im really waiting for you to give us link to page of chapter with Doberman words- its somewhere around chapter titeled "monster"- I am writing using pretty slow internet so it will take us less tme disproving what you writen if you provide link on forum. I really dont remember him saying anything about VA being train to use haki. I remember one certain doctor that talked with Coby about that.

[Lord Rayleigh]

From what little we know about him I don't get that nice guy, noble actions for the betterment of the world from Kaidou. I have a feeling he's gonna be the "bad" Yonkou.

Kaidou may have decided to turn into a Yonkou because there was no way for Marines to deal with New World. As a pirate, he got the right to do anything and he doesn't need to follow the MHQ's policy regarding New World's population, prisoners etc...

So I think he still wants as a ex-Marine to protect MHQ who is great to bring peace to Paradise and the Four seas but that does not mean he is not a bad guy in New World. Remember that it is the place where pirates gather, so a Marine or an ex-Marine could turn into an evil person there.

Kaidou could be a true nightmare because unlike other Yonkou - Whitebeard, Shanks and maybe Big Mom - he doesn't make pirates his allies but kills them without any mercy.
In this case, Kaidou would be the ultimate bad guy in New World and the Straw Hat Pirates would have to fight him if they met him.

[Fox666]

then we have that jewelry bonney, one of the supernova, is actually too weak to join BBs crew.How do I miss that??

Initially I was thinking they were weak because Teach said they did not stand a chance against Ace... however, does Bonney stand a chance to Ace?

[Ledoke]

Well, if both parents would need to possess KD Haki for their kids to also have it then as years pass it would become more and more rare to have KD Haki. Or so I think xD

[White Silver King]

Im really waiting for you to psot link to page of chapter with Doberman words- its somewere arond chapter titeled "monster"- I am writing using pretty slow internet so it will take us less tme disproving what you writen if you provide link on forum. I really dont remember him saying anything about VA being train to use haki. I remember one certain doctor that talked with Coby about that.

.....You're the one who started the conversation about Doberman.... Isn't he the one who said all VA have Haki? If not I have no idea why you brought him up in the first place.

[llmcduff]

I've not seen this talked about -

Why is Rayleigh take such an interest on Luffy?

For a guy that made himself disappeared for a long time to keep an eye out for the SH, even before he met Luffy. Then give them his vivre card. Then swam!!! to Kuja island to meet him with plan!!! while not to the scene of battle to help out his old captain's only son. Then go on a mission (with Jinbei) w/ to implement HIS plan with him. This is kind of much for a guy who previously has been trying his darnest to make himself disappear from the WG's radar.

What are you guys' theories on this?

[Ledoke]

This (http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/OnePiece570/186468-3.html) is probably what vagabond87 was writing about.

[Lord Rayleigh]

Why is Rayleigh take such an interest on Luffy?
Well, I think it's simple. Luffy is the one that Roger has been waiting for and Rayleigh understood it.

[mysteries]

I've not seen this talked about -

Why is Rayleigh take such an interest on Luffy?

For a guy that made himself disappeared for a long time to keep an eye out for the SH, even before he met Luffy. Then give them his vivre card. Then swam!!! to Kuja island to meet him with plan!!! while not to the scene of battle to help out his old captain's only son. Then go on a mission (with Jinbei) w/ to implement HIS plan with him. This is kind of much for a guy who previously has been trying his darnest to make himself disappear from the WG's radar.

What are you guys' theories on this?
That's why... (http://haven-reader.net/index.php?mode=view&series=One+Piece&chapter=Chapter+506&page=16&next=true)

[llmcduff]

Well, I think it's simple. Luffy is the one that Roger has been waiting for and Rayleigh understood it.
There's no doubt the Luffy will be the next Roger but why would Raleigh care and why would he bothers w/ helping him. He's of a different generation and his time had past. To take an interest in him b/c he exudes the aura of his former captain, yes I understand that. But to be involve first hand like he's doing, there's to be a more complicate and important answer than that.

Maybe the Roger's pirates has unfinished business that the next Roger are destine to complete - such as exposing the WG true face.

[Psyren Dante]

I just finished reading the manga up to the last chapter since i didn't have patience to wait for the episodes anymore. I have lots of things to say but I'll try to be brief.
First off, I'm a bit disappointed about Sengoku and Garp resigning from the marines tough i understand that they have their reasons. :(
Second, I don't think that either Jinbei or Hancock will join the Strawhat crew. Hancock is an empress and still a Sichibukai so she needs to look after her people and assure the WG that she is still on their side. And Jinbei will probably go with Luffy and co to Fishman island, see that the island is in trouble, save the day and he will stay there to defend the place.:pwned. Of course, I could be wrong but this is what seems likely to me.
Third, it kinda sucks that Blackbeard turned out to be such a coward but, what the hell, I can live with it.
And last... AKAINU!!!:mad. That mother*****r! I really hope Luffy kills him for what he did. No "power of friendship/ don't sink to his level/ you're better than him" crap. Just pure, sweet, simple revenge, baby! Like Al Bundy said:"Revenge... is great. It's what separates us from the animals". I mean, even Roger killed some people when he was a pirate. Tough I'm almost sure it wont happen.
That was all I had to say.Thanks to those who had the patience to read my ranting. Oh yeah, Luffy vs Mihawk and Mihawk meeting Zoro so soon was just crazy in the best way. Cheers!!!!

[Zehahaha]

Maybe the Roger's pirates has unfinished business that the next Roger are destine to complete - such as exposing the WG true face.

Just as WB predicted, Roger couldn't show the world the real face of the WG, and i believe Luffy will, and then a huge war will take place, and it will be the end of the WG.

[kusanagi_k]

How do I miss that??

Initially I was thinking they were weak because Teach said they did not stand a chance against Ace... however, does Bonney stand a chance to Ace?

Hmm.. personally i think it's very hard to place all the characters on a definitive scale, like 1->2->3->4... Esp since we haven't even seen the Level 6 people on BB's crew fight with their powers. I'm REALLY curious what Devil Fruits they've eaten :)

My thoughts on your topic: I remember seeing somewhere that Ace was a few years ago ALREADY offered a place in Shichibukai, but refused. And with Bonney being 'only' a Supernova (Zoro's level..?), i think the answer should be quite clear.

Roughly speaking then, Ace & Jinbei & Croc were in Level 6. So were Catherina Devon etc. So is it possible that BB's new crewmates are EACH the strength of a Shichibukai???(or somewhere close?)(yes i know it's also dependant on how 'evil' their crimes were)

THEN, in last week's chpt, when Pizarro was suggesting HE become captain instead of BB, LAFITTE shot back(figuratively LOL) that
"...do you want to be killed?"
So, perhaps BB's OLD crew are ALSO around that strength...

Damm that's one **** SCARY crew that BB has assembled... How will STRAW HAT PIRATES even stand a CHANCE??? Srsly?


PS: what does everyone think of BB choosing NOT to fight Shanks back in Marineford, and now running from Akainu?? He's got his UBER-strong crew behind him right?
I'm thinking further down the road he will be strong enough to by-himself just-barely beat Akainu and maybe draw with Shanks, hehe. He was mighty strong even BEFORE the 2 Fruits, plus he's very strategic (sorry, BB fan here^^)


PPS: Guys, any JUMP this week? OP? Bleach? Naruto? Thanks!!

[Bugzee]

Doberman's words have nothing to do with Dragon having KD Haki or Luffy. He said all VA are trained in the usage of haki. I don't understand how you pull that KD Haki is hereditary or that Dragon has it from that.


Im really waiting for you to psot link to page of chapter with Doberman words- its somewere arond chapter titeled "monster"- I am writing using pretty slow internet so it will take us less tme disproving what you writen if you provide link on forum. I really dont remember him saying anything about VA being train to use haki. I remember one certain doctor that talked with Coby about that.

I don't recall seeing Doberman stating or confirming that VA's can all use haki. It was the Marine Doctor treating Coby & co. Here's (http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/73264755/7) the link. Chapter 594 - "Message".

[4StepsAhead]

There's no doubt the Luffy will be the next Roger but why would Raleigh care and why would he bothers w/ helping him. He's of a different generation and his time had past. To take an interest in him b/c he exudes the aura of his former captain, yes I understand that. But to be involve first hand like he's doing, there's to be a more complicate and important answer than that.

Maybe the Roger's pirates has unfinished business that the next Roger are destine to complete - such as exposing the WG true face.

I think Mihawk said something like Luffy has the ability to make allies easily chapter 561 page 12, also Ray could be betting the new age on Luffy....I mean we have no idea what the Roger pirates discovered on the last island.......maybe Ray thinks it's important enough to risk helping Luffy so openly.
Also the reason he may not have helped Ace is because he believed that WB would have rescued him....and I think he would of if not for his failing health.

[vagabond87]

.....You're the one who started the conversation about Doberman.... Isn't he the one who said all VA have Haki? If not I have no idea why you brought him up in the first place.

Doberman didnt said anything about VA haki. Nameless doctor said to Coby that all VA are haki users. I brought him to discussion because of that: http://haven-reader.net/index.php?mode=view&series=One+Piece&chapter=Chapter+570&page=2&next=true
Thanks for your post from below @ramstein :)

[k-dom]

Notice also that just the fact that at the beginning Robin refused to go with the revolutionaries and then accepted

It was not said that she accepted. Unless like chopper, she changed her mind after reading the newspaper but that is yet to be confirmed.

[MonkeyDLuffy7GR]

PS: what does everyone think of BB choosing NOT to fight Shanks back in Marineford, and now running from Akainu?? He's got his UBER-strong crew behind him right?
I'm thinking further down the road he will be strong enough to by-himself just-barely beat Akainu and maybe draw with Shanks, hehe. He was mighty strong even BEFORE the 2 Fruits, plus he's very strategic (sorry, BB fan here^^)

I think BB is afraid of fighting Shanks and Akainu coz of his lack off Haki...
If Teach has Haki he would be invicible I think he does not have haki...


Prediction. Reyleigh may die? (ENd of old Age)
Who else will die in your opinion?

[Shadoguardian]

You know, I read Luffy's Tattoo and it looks a bit like SA(both crossed out)2Y. The crossed out SA probably represents Sabo and Ace, but does the 2Y perhaps represents "2 years?" Is there going to be a time skip where they meet each other after 2 years? Or is the message in the 16 bell tolls itself?

[anhdeptrai]

For those that discussed about King Haki is a heredity, how do you explain Hancock's King haki? Aren't amazon lily woman get pregnant from drinking special water? If that is the case then aren't they all supposed to have King haki?

King haki is also a trained Haki and it is not heredity.

[El-Thor]

For those that discussed about King Haki is a heredity, how do you explain Hancock's King haki? Aren't amazon lily woman get pregnant from drinking special water? If that is the case then aren't they all supposed to have King haki?

King haki is also a trained Haki and it is not heredity.

Kings Haki cannot be trained because it is said to be 1 in a million. If you were able to train it, then there would be more people who have it. I'm not saying it's hereditary either but there has to be some source.

[anhdeptrai]

From the beginning of OP until the introduction of Haki, Luffy has been into many "fight to the death" fights, that is his "training from battle" for haki and the "King haki" could explained as: the will to fight to the end without worry about the outcome or the fear of dead. Luffy experienced from many of his fights, he is the only one that majorly injured/wounded compared to all his crews. This could be the different between the King haki and regular haki users: the no fear of dead. That's my assumption.
[hr]
This thought just came up:

The different between Luffy and his crews or the king haki and regular haki users as I said earlier is the will to fight to the dead. To explain this further, Luffy has no attachment for him to "go back", all the important people/attachment that he want to see is "going forward", if he's not able to push forward, he will never able to see/reach them so that is why he always pushing forward and not worry about dead. If he can't overcome his obstacle/opponent, he's done. On the other hand, all of his crews has some attachment that they can't risk their lives in a fight or the will to fight to the dead.

Zorro: His master, the marine girl?
Sanji: Zeff
Nami: her sister
Chopper: the woman doctor
Usopp: the girl
Brooke: the whale
Cyborg: the mayor
Robin: This is the only person that I can't explain or find any reasonable attachment for her. May be the attachment for Robin is to prove that her people is not wrong about WG and she can't die before looking for that goal.

Luffy didn't even know his father until recently so there is no attachment for his father either. Ace/Shanks are the only person that he's looking forward to and they are all "infront of him". Garp is the only relative that he knows but they are not in good term and probably doesn't communicate much, so he doesn't have that feeling/relationship with Garp; compared to Garp, luffy has more attachment to Ace and Shanks.

For ordinary people, we all have some "attachments" that we can't risk our live so that is why not many can obtain the King Haki.

That is my thinking. Hope you guys understand what i mean and what you think?

[Ledoke]

Zoro scared of death? Don't even joke like that...

[Mr.Popo]

Why is Rayleigh take such an interest on Luffy?
That's easy to answer: He needed a new hobby!
It may sound funny, but I think this is part of the truth. One old man once again...



From the beginning of OP until the introduction of Haki, Luffy has been into many "fight to the death" fights, that is his "training from battle" for haki and the "King haki" could explained as: the will to fight to the end without worry about the outcome or the fear of dead. Luffy experienced from many of his fights, he is the only one that majorly injured/wounded compared to all his crews. This could be the different between the King haki and regular haki users: the no fear of dead. That's my assumption.

I totally disagree here, because that is NOT Luffy!
Luffy always has a reason to fight, the outcome of the battle IS important. He may not fear his own death, but he wants to live and he fears the death of his friends.

And about Luffy being the worst wounded person in the crew: After TB that is definitely Zorro. And even if you mean damage received from a fight I think it is still Zorro (Mihawk, Mr.1)
What's true though is that Luffy is the most exhausted after their fights.


...To explain this further, Luffy has no attachment for him to "go back", ...
I totally disagree here too.
There are
* the mayor of his hometown
* the woman who owns the bar there
* Dadan and her people!
Especially Dadan. Luffy owes her much (similar to Zorro and his master).
You already mentioned that Robin has no (to our knowledge) attachment to the past and Brook's attachment is actually an attachment to the future (especially if you count Shanks as attachment to the future too).

[Ramstain]

http://haven-reader.net/index.php?mode=view&series=One+Piece&chapter=Chapter+570&page=2&next=true
Doberman saying that its only natural for Luffy to have KD since he is the son of Dragon.

If its only natural for Luffy to have it, being the son of Dragon, surely that means Dragon has it and it is hereditary?

From that logic, surely Garp would have it too (plus he is clearly incredibly strong in haki).

Ace was shown to have it in the flashback
http://www.mangareader.net/103-52556-9/one-piece/chapter-587.html
From simply flaring their haki and knocking weaker people out with it, it was declared to be KD (Amazon Lily, Marineford). If that particular ability is that unique, unique enough to be recognized from one use, then that means Rayleigh has it (Flared it during the tenryuubito affair), Ace has it from the page just linked, and Shanks has it (but that one wasnt in doubt).

Through the hereditary theory, Roger should have it too. Plus, Roger was the pirate king. Its not like he WOULDNT have it. He contested Whitebeard and Garp, who both have it.

Also, perhaps Roger's ability to "hear the nature of all things" is a highly developed and specialized part of haki. Mantra/prediction fit into that, hearing everything about a person and their movements, as would Zoro's "hearing the metal" from Alabasta vs Mr 1.

[Land Orc]

Hmm...

So when mister Law decides to avoid the confrontation, avoid the fighting, by waiting a while before entering the new world, probably powering up in the process... because he thinks he and his crew are not ready yet to do that stuff without losing manpower, people call him intelligent and smart.

But when mister Teach decides to avoid fighting Red Dog and Shanks at the time, probably because of the same reasons as Law, people call him a coward.

Is that fair? I don't think so.

But w/e

[damane08]

Hmm...

So when mister Law decides to avoid the confrontation, avoid the fighting, by waiting a while before entering the new world, probably powering up in the process... because he thinks he and his crew are not ready yet to do that stuff without losing manpower, people call him intelligent and smart.

But when mister Teach decides to avoid fighting Red Dog and Shanks at the time, probably because of the same reasons as Law, people call him a coward.

Is that fair? I don't think so.

But w/e

I would really like to know how you know that (that part that's bold) if you can read his mind then i would hope that you would tell us what every other person is thinking..... plz do that.

BB is a coward and there is a HUGE difference between both of them, when you jump in front of a person to fight them and get ur ass kicked and you're screaming and begging for your life...... you're a coward. then calls for your entire crew to kill the man that was about kill you..... you're a coward.

when you decide to destroy Marineford and Shanks pops up and you run..... you're a coward.

when you have an entire crew with you and a Akainu shows up and all of you put your tails between your legs and run...... you're a coward.

Until we see an enemy stand in front of Law and he runs away then he is not a coward. the guy has fought every enemy put in front of him so far so no i can't consider him a coward.

BB on the other hand..... well we know about that one.

[elitefox]

Hmm...

So when mister Law decides to avoid the confrontation, avoid the fighting, by waiting a while before entering the new world, probably powering up in the process... because he thinks he and his crew are not ready yet to do that stuff without losing manpower, people call him intelligent and smart.

But when mister Teach decides to avoid fighting Red Dog and Shanks at the time, probably because of the same reasons as Law, people call him a coward.

Is that fair? I don't think so.

But w/e

Yep Teach isn't powerful enough to fight so that is why he didn't fight

it is not cowardice, it is tactical retreat XD (another term might not be so bad):darn

[creuss]

Prediction. Reyleigh may die? (ENd of old Age)
Who else will die in your opinion?


well, u need to kill garp, sengoku, and shiki too, to completely end the old age...:tem

[Yans86]

It was not said that she accepted. Unless like chopper, she changed her mind after reading the newspaper but that is yet to be confirmed.

She went away with them on the train while she could have come back by herself....beside that,the NEWS came later when she was already travelling to meet Dragon XD

About the VA using haki I don't think is it really a big issue....even random Kuja pirates can use it like Boa's sister,and we know how strong they are....
Haki can give u extra point,the abilitity to deal with some devil fruits ecc....ecc....but it isn'tt necessarily something that give a huge boost in power!
Ex.
Both KAku and Rob Lucci had crazily big Rankyaku,Enel could destroy an island....did they have haki??likely not,,,

One last thing:
Can someone explain me how comes that BB is now downgraded to a weakling????!!!I don't think that we really need to remind that he put a scar on Shanks(without tricks or DF powers),he beat Ace and subdued 3 of the worst lvl 6 prisoners....not saying that now he has 2 of the strongest DF around and he was ready to take head on both marines and the rest of the WB pirates....
Not fighting Akainu was just a smart move...he just started his new adventure,why getting heavily damaged at the beginning of the travel and risk to be chased while still injured?!
Also notice that everytime BB is scared is not really scared,is just part of his characters like the way he whines everytime he gets damage while actually he never took serious injury(beside MAgellan's poison).Not saying that even the 5 elders said that only a yonkou might be able to stop him.... The guy is a TOP TIER beast,remember it!!!

[chitgoks]

One last thing:
Can someone explain me how comes that BB is now downgraded to a weakling????!!!I don't think that we really need to remind that he put a scar on Shanks(without tricks or DF powers),he beat Ace and subdued 3 of the worst lvl 6 prisoners....not saying that now he has 2 of the strongest DF around and he was ready to take head on both marines and the rest of the WB pirates....
Not fighting Akainu was just a smart move...he just started his new adventure,why getting heavily damaged at the beginning of the travel and risk to be chased while still injured?!
Also notice that everytime BB is scared is not really scared,is just part of his characters like the way he whines everytime he gets damage while actually he never took serious injury(beside MAgellan's poison).Not saying that even the 5 elders said that only a yonkou might be able to stop him.... The guy is a TOP TIER beast,remember it!!!

er, BB subdued which level 6 prisoners? we never saw him and any of them fight.

i agree with you on lucci and kaku. no haki. if they have, they should have used it against their zoro and luffy

[Yans86]

U can subdue and win a fight without actually fighting.....if this isn't a sign of strenght I don't know what it is...and u know already how things work in OP and how a guy presence can make someone subdue or understand his power compared to them...
If Shiryuu and the others felt BB to be weaker then them they would have never followed him....

[Naruffy]

Can someone explain me how comes that BB is now downgraded to a weakling????!!!I don't think that we really need to remind that he put a scar on Shanks(without tricks or DF powers),he beat Ace and subdued 3 of the worst lvl 6 prisoners....not saying that now he has 2 of the strongest DF around and he was ready to take head on both marines and the rest of the WB pirates....
Not fighting Akainu was just a smart move...he just started his new adventure,why getting heavily damaged at the beginning of the travel and risk to be chased while still injured?!
Also notice that everytime BB is scared is not really scared,is just part of his characters like the way he whines everytime he gets damage while actually he never took serious injury(beside MAgellan's poison).Not saying that even the 5 elders said that only a yonkou might be able to stop him.... The guy is a TOP TIER beast,remember it!!!

It's not that he's a weakling, it's just that he's avoding conflicts. Ever since he begged Whitebeard for his life he's come across as a little pathetic, and running away from Akainu really dosen't help.

[johnnyb7]

My guess is that Buggy has been appointed as a new shichibukai

[masubiladin]

About the VA using haki I don't think is it really a big issue....even random Kuja pirates can use it like Boa's sister,and we know how strong they are....
Haki can give u extra point,the abilitity to deal with some devil fruits ecc....ecc....but it isn'tt necessarily something that give a huge boost in power!
Yep what you said is totally true! But I think haki can also be train to be extremely powerful and it help the user to deal with logia as we can see when Shank stop Aikanu's attack. And Shank's sword did not melt, so we all know that haki can also power up weapons like the arrows that Kuja pirate are using. However what we dont know is whether haki can power up the body of the user or just weapons.

[Yans86]

Avoiding meaningless conflicts is a sign of great strenght.He is not the only one that did this....Shanks,Luffy,Zoro,Ace and some others did it too...
Beside that,BB whines everytime he get hits but it is more like a part of his character behavior then a sign of him being a coward...
Would u say that Jinbei+Luffy+Ivankov+Mr2+Mr1 are cowards because instead of fighting and beating Magellan they retreated??
Beside that I don't remember BB sneak attacking anyone....the guy is simply smart to avoid meaningless conflict and fight only when is necessarily needed for his purposes...

Notice a couple of things also:
1) the fire island could have boosted Akainu's power seeing how fire get eaten by magma
2)BB could have just sink Akainu's ship and I'm pretty sure that differently from Aokiji,Kizaru and Enel he would have gone throught a lot of trouble if that happened...

[Freid]

like almost all topics, im against the wall with the BB's strength topic but tbh i think judging BB's strength by what happened last chapter and from him not wanting to fight shanks is a weak argument. very weak in fact. fighting shanks at the time would have been totally pointless. in fact, the war after the death of Ace was totally pointless and on top of that, it was not even his war to fight. he had already shook the world like he intended, his goal was complete. why would he want to hang around and fight a yonkou. its the same thing with what happend last chapter. regardless of whether he could beat akainu or not, why would he want to stick around and fight him if its not worth it. he could afford to fight weaker pirates because they are quickly disposed of, but when faced with stronger opponents BB obviously would prefer to skip it if he feels its not worth it. Its like the time Ace appeared to BB. remember BB also wanted to avoid the fight even though he even told ace afterwards that he was stronger than him.

[Naruffy]

Not liking Blackbeard and thinking of him as a coward is natural, he's a villain and he's not meant to be liked. Oda probably made him this way on purpose. I still think BB could of fought Akainu, but my guess is that they we're recuperating.

[masubiladin]

My guess is that Buggy has been appointed as a new shichibukai
It was just a fake spoiler...
Even if he has been appointed as a shichubukai...he wouldn't last long.

[Poneglyph420]

About the VA using haki I don't think is it really a big issue....even random Kuja pirates can use it like Boa's sister,and we know how strong they are....
Haki can give u extra point,the abilitity to deal with some devil fruits ecc....ecc....but it isn'tt necessarily something that give a huge boost in power!
Ex.
Both KAku and Rob Lucci had crazily big Rankyaku,Enel could destroy an island....did they have haki??likely not,,,

One last thing:
Can someone explain me how comes that BB is now downgraded to a weakling????!!!!

I'm not sure that the manga has presented a clear and consistent definition of Haki and the properties involved. I suspect some guys like Garp or Shanks who could be called "top tier" would have mastered control of their Haki. Those two also clearly don't have DF powers. So I'm pretty sure we still don't know the difference from having Haki and mastering control of Haki. I'm also curious how Haki manifests for different people.. well since Haki is "force of will" shouldn't it manifest differently.

IMHO either via Ray San or Vegapunk (or maybe Garp and Coby) we will find out about Haki soon...

About BB I agree.. well at least that BB is pure bad ass and is one of the new great dangers of the world. But he is a bitch ass opportunist as well. If his crew hadn't blown the hell out of WB, he'd be quake paste by now IMHO.


It's not that he's a weakling, it's just that he's avoding conflicts. Ever sinhce he begged Whitebeard for his life he's come across as a little pathetic, and running away from Akainu really dosen't help.

My sentiment exactly, well said Naruffy!! :amuse


My guess is that Buggy has been appointed as a new shichibukai

Hmm?! I hope so, but wonder at the ambiguity of the Gorousei when they spoke of the Shichi.
I really want to see Buggy rise to power, one way or the other...
While I don't respect him or his path.. it's just so funny to watch.

[johnnyb7]

I know with Buggy it was a fake spoiler about the shichibukai but it was believable. I can definitely see him becoming a shichibukai, his crew is huge after all, and the world sees him as incredibly powerful lol.

My guess is that next chapter they're gonna go over the situations of Luffy's crew a bit more and then go into what's up for Luffy. I think the next several chapters will just jump back and forth for what's going on with everyone.

Franky's gonna start to rebuild himself now, Zoro is going to start to learn some new moves possibly, or to just become stronger or faster in general. I think Zoro's gonna start to learn how to use haki a little bit too. Also I think Chopper's gonna start to learn how to use monster point.

I hope we get to see some of Sanji's fights, perhaps he'll fight Iva in the end of all his battles too.

[kal-elh]

If his tattoo is a message then why didn't he just say some code to the press about it? Why do he want something like that permanent on his arm?

My point exactly

read it:blink

[JJMV]

I would really like to know how you know that (that part that's bold) if you can read his mind then i would hope that you would tell us what every other person is thinking..... plz do that.

BB is a coward and there is a HUGE difference between both of them, when you jump in front of a person to fight them and get ur ass kicked and you're screaming and begging for your life...... you're a coward. then calls for your entire crew to kill the man that was about kill you..... you're a coward.

when you decide to destroy Marineford and Shanks pops up and you run..... you're a coward.

when you have an entire crew with you and a Akainu shows up and all of you put your tails between your legs and run...... you're a coward.

Until we see an enemy stand in front of Law and he runs away then he is not a coward. the guy has fought every enemy put in front of him so far so no i can't consider him a coward.

BB on the other hand..... well we know about that one.

If what you say is true, then akainu might also be a coward, he had decided to kill all the wb pirates in Marineford. But when Shanks appeared he changed his mind to avoid confrontation with red hair.

[masubiladin]

If what you say is true, then akainu might also be a coward, he had decided to kill all the wb pirates in Marineford. But when Shanks appeared he changed his mind to avoid confrontation with red hair.
Its not his call and further more he was injured.

[Andonan]

Can we really stop the BB discussions, he is not weak, he is a beast and ppl who don't like it just except it already, and take comfort in the fact that one day Luffy will pound his ass into the ground, it just won't be for a while!

I reckon the SH's will reunite on chapter 600!

[Xenos3421]

I think after we go over what each membber of the crew is gonna do there's gonna be a time gap!!

[Lord Rayleigh]

For those that discussed about King Haki is a heredity, how do you explain Hancock's King haki? Aren't amazon lily woman get pregnant from drinking special water?
Where did you read that Kuja people get pregnant with special water ? It was said that some Kuja people travel and come back pregnant, the children always being girls.

[Realtwisted]

Hmm...

So when mister Law decides to avoid the confrontation, avoid the fighting, by waiting a while before entering the new world, probably powering up in the process... because he thinks he and his crew are not ready yet to do that stuff without losing manpower, people call him intelligent and smart.

But when mister Teach decides to avoid fighting Red Dog and Shanks at the time, probably because of the same reasons as Law, people call him a coward.

Is that fair? I don't think so.

But w/e

I agree with with u, Blackbeard is just an smart ass. He know that Akainu mamga can kill anybody if they are touch, and he don't want to risk losing manpower, i think we going see prety soon Blackbeard pirate fighting.

[Minato-sama]

I know with Buggy it was a fake spoiler about the shichibukai but it was believable. I can definitely see him becoming a shichibukai, his crew is huge after all, and the world sees him as incredibly powerful lol.

My guess is that next chapter they're gonna go over the situations of Luffy's crew a bit more and then go into what's up for Luffy. I think the next several chapters will just jump back and forth for what's going on with everyone.

Franky's gonna start to rebuild himself now, Zoro is going to start to learn some new moves possibly, or to just become stronger or faster in general. I think Zoro's gonna start to learn how to use haki a little bit too. Also I think Chopper's gonna start to learn how to use monster point.

I hope we get to see some of Sanji's fights, perhaps he'll fight Iva in the end of all his battles too.

I hope learn Haki too. The further the ocean they go to the more strong guy they well fightl. Zoro evenutually might find a logia who use sword. Example Kizaru and Aokijii. How can Zoro defeat this logia swordsmen if you can't cut them.

[4StepsAhead]

I hope learn Haki too. The further the ocean they go to the more strong guy they well fightl. Zoro evenutually might find a logia who use sword. Example Kizaru and Aokijii. How can Zoro defeat this logia swordsmen if you can't cut them.

I think most of the Sh's will learn some form of Haki, either that or equip their weapons with sea stones ........Franky, Nami, Ussop, although I hope Ussop will learn the Haki that predicts people's movements, I think this will help him be a better sharp shooter, as well as help him survive battles a lot longer by dodging attacks..... Hey if most of the women on AL can learn Haki then why not most of the Straw Hats?

Also does anyone else believe that King Haki allows you to use all the forms of haki?

[molecularpepsi]

what did Law's crew mean when they said: "but look how BBs guys are going wild there"? i mean why would they even mention that?

to my knowledge the only thing BB has done since the war was capture bonney, does that qualify as "going wild"?

the reason i bring this up is i believe that all these seemingly random incidents that Oda has been jumping from one to another for the past couple of chapters may not be occurring at the same time, or rather at different timelines.

somethings may be happening a few days before or after other things. apart from the people that were either talking about or reading about what luffy did, we really have no real indication if all these stories are happening in parallel to each other.

the other thing is why did Law's crew use BB's rampage as motivation for their captain to hasten his entry into the NW?
does Law have some kind of past with BB?
does he have a personal vendetta?
probably not, but it would be interesting if there was some connection between Law and BB.

[kkck]

^Actually, the very island the BB pirates were on seemed to be completely trashed. As sengoku feared, level 6 prisoners reaching an island could get the entire place destroyed. I don't think it was a cowardly move on BB to retreat though. Is fighting akainu worth a measly marine battleship?I doubt it. BB is among the strong people around since he does have 2 DF powers (it goes without saying his darkness fruit is special even among the logia and he also has the strongest paramecia) but an admiral is still someone worth respecting. Picking your battles is a smart move. Once the time is due BB will take on the marines as he sees fit and most likely will come out on top.

[fistsofrage]

Lol at all those people who thought the Strawhats wouldn't have a training arc xD. People say a lot of random things on the forum that always get shut down by Oda. Next thing to get shutdown is the time skip idea. People were going on about how at least a year would go by, but its doubtful the training would take longer than a few months.

[WickedNeko]

BTW, did anyone else think it was kind of unexpected that the reason behind BB making a deal with marines was because of Battle ship San Juan complaining about the log boat?

Many of us expected that San Juan was going to have some sort of "living" ship ability (although probably not DF, since that wouldn't make sense as sea water nullifies DF ability) just from his nickname... but I guess he was just a big giant like Oars (actually, I think he might be bigger than Oars).

[Land Orc]

I would really like to know how you know that (that part that's bold) if you can read his mind then i would hope that you would tell us what every other person is thinking..... plz do that.

BB is a coward and there is a HUGE difference between both of them, when you jump in front of a person to fight them and get ur ass kicked and you're screaming and begging for your life...... you're a coward. then calls for your entire crew to kill the man that was about kill you..... you're a coward.

when you decide to destroy Marineford and Shanks pops up and you run..... you're a coward.

when you have an entire crew with you and a Akainu shows up and all of you put your tails between your legs and run...... you're a coward.

Until we see an enemy stand in front of Law and he runs away then he is not a coward. the guy has fought every enemy put in front of him so far so no i can't consider him a coward.

BB on the other hand..... well we know about that one.

Oh well, analyzing his character, that seemed to be the logical explanation to me. Maybe you're just not a people person (no offence:oh).
If it matters: IRL i actually do read people way easier than most people.
But no thanks, it would be pretty time consuming telling you what i think every character is thinking.

I concur with the rest. There is a difference between cowardice and stupidity, kind sir. Are you a coward when you decide to betray the most powerful man of the world, kill one of his sons and hand another one of his sons to the government?
Is a person a coward when he decides to live on and realise his dreams instead of dying in a fist of lava? If so, we are all cowards.
IMO Teach is just a very realistic character.

[kkck]

I also expected san juan wolf to act as a sort of ship for the WB pirates. I guess it makes sense though, we can't expect the guy to just walk his way through the new world. I don't think a battleship would do though. SJW would seem to be far larger than a battleship. Can't imagine him standing there.... The easiest solution would be to give SJW a devil fruit which would make him more manageable or compact and to fight he could return to his original form. Seriously, with his size he could sink an island.... Only something like thriller bark could possibly hold SJW. My second theory regarding how SJW would move around was that BB would use his darkness to suck him in and simply release him when needed but I guess that won't happen...

[esamarie]

There's no doubt the Luffy will be the next Roger but why would Raleigh care and why would he bothers w/ helping him. He's of a different generation and his time had past. To take an interest in him b/c he exudes the aura of his former captain, yes I understand that. But to be involve first hand like he's doing, there's to be a more complicate and important answer than that.

Maybe the Roger's pirates has unfinished business that the next Roger are destine to complete - such as exposing the WG true face.

Maybe because of the "Will of D." Rayleigh already knows the truth about the Void Century, so it might have some relation to it. Whitebeard seemed to also take interest on Luffy because he's a 'D' and I remember there was this chapter wherein Roger and Whitebeard where talking about it.

[johnnyb7]

I'm guessing that the chapters will begin to go over the training for Luffy and will continue to touch on the training for the rest of the strawhats in their own areas.

[Schabrak]

Eh it's probably easier for him to stay in the water with his massive weight. Reason he's called a battleship is mostly his size and power are compared to that of a massive battleship, not because he has any kind of ability making him a ship.

Too many people think that their opinion is the right one, when people have different comprehensions of a specific characteristic trait. How about starting to argue with "definitions"? :) Realist, slever, smart, coward, how about sly bastar*, that my point of view. He's not just one of those, he has it all, like every human being. [Just because he used tactics to take WB down, doesn't make him any less a coward in that situation.]

Law on the other hand has never shown any cowardly characteristics. He fought the Pacifista head on, has even shown of at times and never planed to participate in the war, which he left as soon, as he nearly became collateral damage. He seems to be an intellectual, smart guy with no flaws till now.

[pobeb]

Rayleigh is probably helping Luffy because he's one of the "world leaders" that Dragon was talking about.

And, coward or not, BB is the man.

[johnnyb7]

Blackbeard isn't a coward, running isn't cowardice if there isn't a real reason to fight. Luffy has run away on several instances from the marines, from kuma and them and whatnot. I wouldn't call Blackbeard a coward at all, because as he said it just isn't the time to fight Akainu, that doesn't mean he won't fight him or that he's afraid. It just means he doesn't want to fight him now.

[Naruffy]

Rayleigh is probably helping Luffy because he's one of the "world leaders" that Dragon was talking about.

And, coward or not, BB is the man.

I really doubt Rayleigh is a revolutionary, I can't see a man who was one step behind the pirate king becoming a subordinate of Dragon.

[Youbba]

I really doubt Rayleigh is a revolutionary, I can't see a man who was one step behind the pirate king becoming a subordinate of Dragon.
Yep I totaly agree with you Rayleigh is somehow like zoro, they don"t seem to obey anyone but their captain, remember this chapter and what have Urouge have said about Zoro.
http://haven-reader.net/index.php?mode=view&series=One+Piece&chapter=Chapter+499&page=15&next=true

One thing that I really want to know about Rayleigh when we'll be back to luffy, is the meaning of his nickname "Dark King", we know that Oda choose carefully the nickname so they represent an aspect of the personality.
My guess is Dark : is related to some "devil" power, Rayleigh is a swordsman, he may be using some "dark" power like zoro's Asura.

[kkck]

pirate king and dark king... who knows.... It can't be DF related since we saw raileight swimming. It could be a non DF ability but who knows what it could be. Anyone has any clues to to whom exactly raileight is based on? That would really help.

[pobeb]

I really doubt Rayleigh is a revolutionary, I can't see a man who was one step behind the pirate king becoming a subordinate of Dragon.

Why is that so difficult to imagine? "World leader" doesn't necessarily connote the idea of "subordination" as you're implying. We actually have no idea what a "world leader" of the Revolutionary Army is. All we know is that the world leaders are working WITH Dragon. Rayleigh is helping Luffy, and Luffy has been assisted several times by people associated with Dragon. So, why is it such a far fetched idea that Rayleigh could be helping Luffy simply because he's associated with Dragon?

I mean, there's only a couple possibilities of Rayleigh's motives:

1) It has to do with the will of the "D" and the Void Century.
2) It has to do with Luffy inheriting Ace's will, which was essentially Roger's will.
3) Rayleigh is helping as a favor to Dragon.
4) It has to do with something that has yet to be explained.

It's completely probable for Rayleigh to help Luffy supported by my theory.

P.S. Dragon isn't exactly a weakling. For all we know, and as certain points in the plot have suggested, he's probably the strongest character in the series at this point. Regardless of Rayleigh being Roger's 2nd in command, why would it seem improbable for a PIRATE to assist someone who is the biggest threat to the Government?

[fcToho]

One thing that I really want to know about Rayleigh when we'll be back to luffy, is the meaning of his nickname "Dark King", we know that Oda choose carefully the nickname so they represent an aspect of the personality.
My guess is Dark : is related to some "devil" power, Rayleigh is a swordsman, he may be using some "dark" power like zoro's Asura.

I really like Lord Rayleigh's (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1771581#post1771581) theory about Rayleigh being a Nr. 1 swordsman.

I also believe that his name comes from similar abilities like Zoro's Rashomon, Oni Giri (demon one), Ashura and so on + propably king's haki. That would pretty much explain his nickname.

[Spam286]

I mean, there's only a couple possibilities of Rayleigh's motives:

1) It has to do with the will of the "D" and the Void Century.
2) It has to do with Luffy inheriting Ace's will, which was essentially Roger's will.
3) Rayleigh is helping as a favor to Dragon.
4) It has to do with something that has yet to be explained.

You missed out the possibility that he's just doing it for funzies, which is my personal theory. An awful lot of the people Luffy meets help him out in some way, and an awful lot of them do it because they simply like Luffy. It's not that hard to imagine Rayleigh being the same, especially since when they met Luffy had just punched Charlos in the face for shooting Hachi (Rayleigh's friend). I don't think there's any ulterior motive, he's just taken a shine to him.

[MokiSenpai]

Blackbeard isn't a coward, running isn't cowardice if there isn't a real reason to fight. Luffy has run away on several instances from the marines, from kuma and them and whatnot. I wouldn't call Blackbeard a coward at all, because as he said it just isn't the time to fight Akainu, that doesn't mean he won't fight him or that he's afraid. It just means he doesn't want to fight him now.

I agree... fighting against Akainu out of will is not a matter of courage, it's a matter of not wanting to live :D

But i think Blackbeard is on to something. He said he is not ready to fight the Shanks like (guess enemies with advanced haki skill) people YET. So maybe he has something up his sleeve. Maybe he wants an another devil fruit power before he goes all out. Or simply he is not yet in shape to fight.

[masubiladin]

I mean, there's only a couple possibilities of Rayleigh's motives:

1) It has to do with the will of the "D" and the Void Century.
2) It has to do with Luffy inheriting Ace's will, which was essentially Roger's will.
3) Rayleigh is helping as a favor to Dragon.
4) It has to do with something that has yet to be explained.
It was especially because of what Shank said to Rayleigh.

[Black Lagoon]

Avoiding meaningless conflicts is a sign of great strenght.He is not the only one that did this....Shanks,Luffy,Zoro,Ace and some others did it too...
Beside that,BB whines everytime he get hits but it is more like a part of his character behavior then a sign of him being a coward...
Till here I almost agree 100% with you


Would u say that Jinbei+Luffy+Ivankov+Mr2+Mr1 are cowards because instead of fighting and beating Magellan they retreated??
First of all, what was the point on getting into the most "known" secured prison of the World Government? Obviously getting Ace out of there, so if the prisoner you want to free is no long in there, why would you waste your time and energy to fight a guy that just moments before you`ve already tried "almost" everything possible to win but no use? Luffy gives a shit about Magellan he just wanted to reach his big brother.
BTW : Didn´t Iva and Inazuma decide to stay and battle Magellan himself to cover Luffy´s back in the first place?

Fighting Magellan would have been a big mistake.


Beside that I don't remember BB sneak attacking anyone....the guy is simply smart to avoid meaningless conflict and fight only when is necessarily needed for his purposes...
Meaningless conflict or whatever -__- ... the guy is simply pathetic -_-;
when things go bad he begs his enemy for his life, I just can´t forget the scene with WhiteBeard. (Really pathetic :darn)
So please don´t compare him with Luffy and Shanks. (Just remember carefully why Shanks did what he did in Luffy´s village)

Notice a couple of things also:
1) the fire island could have boosted Akainu's power seeing how fire get eaten by magma
2)BB could have just sink Akainu's ship and I'm pretty sure that differently from Aokiji,Kizaru and Enel he would have gone throught a lot of trouble if that happened...
Do you really think that an Admiral like Akainu could fall for that miserable trick? :blink

If what you say is true, then akainu might also be a coward, he had decided to kill all the wb pirates in Marineford. But when Shanks appeared he changed his mind to avoid confrontation with red hair.
It´s not the same thing at all, you´re just comparing two things which are entirely different, it´s true that he really wanted to do it but it was a bluff ... well, not exactly a bluff but more likely like Politicians and their Promises, you know ... if they can they will but if they can´t they won´t ...


There's no doubt the Luffy will be the next Roger but why would Raleigh care and why would he bothers w/ helping him. He's of a different generation and his time had past. To take an interest in him b/c he exudes the aura of his former captain, yes I understand that. But to be involve first hand like he's doing, there's to be a more complicate and important answer than that.

Maybe the Roger's pirates has unfinished business that the next Roger are destine to complete - such as exposing the WG true face.

IMO it was all Shanks words, Rayleigh and all Roger´s crew gives a shit about the future (well, not exactly :p) why would Rayleigh wait 20 years after Rogers death to make a move ? don´t tell me he did it because he saw something in Luffy, because Rayleigh was the one who wanted to meet him in the first place even before any previous contact between each other.
(he could have asked WhiteBeard and Shanks to join forces and reveal the truth to the world).

[jm]

i have to say if there was one ability that i thought could be hakl it was that one rob lucci used the the Rokushiki hidden technique, Rokuougan.

we know that haki from what boa has said takes time to learn so i think it could be a haki ability that he had not mastered yet.

[Andonan]

Why is that so difficult to imagine? "World leader" doesn't necessarily connote the idea of "subordination" as you're implying. We actually have no idea what a "world leader" of the Revolutionary Army is. All we know is that the world leaders are working WITH Dragon. Rayleigh is helping Luffy, and Luffy has been assisted several times by people associated with Dragon. So, why is it such a far fetched idea that Rayleigh could be helping Luffy simply because he's associated with Dragon?

I mean, there's only a couple possibilities of Rayleigh's motives:

1) It has to do with the will of the "D" and the Void Century.
2) It has to do with Luffy inheriting Ace's will, which was essentially Roger's will.
3) Rayleigh is helping as a favor to Dragon.
4) It has to do with something that has yet to be explained.

It's completely probable for Rayleigh to help Luffy supported by my theory.

P.S. Dragon isn't exactly a weakling. For all we know, and as certain points in the plot have suggested, he's probably the strongest character in the series at this point. Regardless of Rayleigh being Roger's 2nd in command, why would it seem improbable for a PIRATE to assist someone who is the biggest threat to the Government?

No offense dude but the reason was already explain why he is helping luffy, because of Hachi and Shanks!!!!!! This is Luffy the boy Shanks put his faith in to be the future PK. Shanks has been the guy to carry on rodgers will for a long time now, and has probably also been the one closest to OP for a long time now. Ray knew of Luffy, met him, decided he liked him and put the same faith in him as Shanks, and many others who meet luffy have done in the past. Your arguement could make the claim that Shanks is a "world leader" because he helped luffy, no i'm sorry luffy has earned these ppl help and you belittle his efforts by associating everyone who has helped him with Dragon. Only Kuma and Iva did that and their reasons were established the same chapter as he helped him by stating "your son has found a good crew....Dragon" as if he knew him. And Iva has already demonstrated that he supports luffy (and his crew, ie sanji) because of the type of ppl they are. If luffy was a dick i'm sure iva and Kuma wouldn't have helped them even if he was Dragons son!

Look I'm not going to say that it is completely improbable. I would also imagine that Rayleigh is quite sympathetic to the revolutionaries as he actually knows what the WG did in the void century!!! But Ray himself said when we first met him "i am just a lonely coating engineer now, those days are behind me".

[RuffyxNami]

No offense dude but the reason was already explain why he is helping luffy, because of Hachi and Shanks!!!!!! This is Luffy the boy Shanks put his faith in to be the future PK. Shanks has been the guy to carry on rodgers will for a long time now, and has probably also been the one closest to OP for a long time now. Ray knew of Luffy, met him, decided he liked him and put the same faith in him as Shanks, and many others who meet luffy have done in the past. Your arguement could make the claim that Shanks is a "world leader" because he helped luffy, no i'm sorry luffy has earned these ppl help and you belittle his efforts by associating everyone who has helped him with Dragon. Only Kuma and Iva did that and their reasons were established the same chapter as he helped him by stating "your son has found a good crew....Dragon" as if he knew him. And Iva has already demonstrated that he supports luffy (and his crew, ie sanji) because of the type of ppl they are. If luffy was a dick i'm sure iva and Kuma wouldn't have helped them even if he was Dragons son!

Look I'm not going to say that it is completely improbable. I would also imagine that Rayleigh is quite sympathetic to the revolutionaries as he actually knows what the WG did in the void century!!! But Ray himself said when we first met him "i am just a lonely coating engineer now, those days are behind me".


ya, mybe for hachi and shanks... but this cant be just the reason...
we have see rayleigh also that "he saw in luffy roger", so he doesnt help just for hachi and shanks...

[Schabrak]

ya, maybe for hachi and shanks... but this cant be just one ?^^ reason...
we have see rayleigh also that "he saw in luffy roger", so he doesnt help just for hachi and shanks...
But that's what he wrote, that it's Shanks who felt a bit of Roger in Luffy, that made him place hope on him. Luffy is one of those guys Gol aimed for with the New Age of pirates, it's only natural that not only Shanks, but many see a mirror of Rogers spirit within him/compare them. .

[Eirok]

Rayleigh helped Luffy simply because he reminded him of his captain. Because when Luffy first met Rayleigh he said something about having the most freedom in the sea just like roger. So he most likely did because Luffy is like the pirate king and rayleigh wants to help him start his era of pirates

[hy4k]

blackbeard is a pussy. he's got the two most powerful devil fruits and a badass cew and he's still shit scared of akainu

he's also not very competent or capable. the thing with his raft shows how much of a fuck up he was and he's far from yonkou level as his fight with whitebeard proved

[Andonan]

OMG can we please move away from the BB is a coward topic, sorry admins delete these posts, because BB running from Akainu doesn't give justification for a billion posts on whether BB is a coward or not, and there were so many other things in this chapter to talk about, and its really annoying that the last 50 pages have been on the same circular argument!!!!!!!!!!! BB begged for his life, BB ran from Akainu, BB broke into ID and defied WG, BB took on meriford, BB defeated Ace, if you think he's a coward FINE!!!! If you think he's realistic FINE!!!!! We get it, you have made your point and why you think it LETS MOVE ON!!!!!!

Now to talk about something on topic, I agree on this whole SJW question. I, like many ppl, thought he was going to be BB's ship..... So if he's not that means that he is a crew member that the OP crew will one day have to fight...... Does this mean that a potential giant could join the ranks of the Sh's OR does it mean chopper will master monster point and became his opponent?!?!? Giants to join the crew could be that Giant that luffy set free back at the auction house with Ray-san, could also be a yet to be met giant who knows. Also if chopper was to face him that would mean thye SH's would have to find someone else to fight Doc Q. Oda is the master of unexpected fights. What I loved about the war is that the whole Royal shichi vs Wb pirates never actually happened LOL!

Do Flo got it wrong haha it was basically the admirals vs the WB big names, then fodder vs Pasifistas... the Royal Shichi just basically did very little after Oars Jr lol ( i mean excluding Boa's actions saving luffy and moria vs jimbei, and do flo vs joz, ok so maybe they did do stuff but you still get wat im on about right?!?)

ANYWAY my point is that the obvious match ups that many ppl predicted with SH's vs Bb could turn out to be very different!!

[hy4k]

blackbeard ran from akainu, blackbeard ran from shanks, blackbeard begged for his life when facing a severely injured whitebeard after getting his ass handed to him

blackbeard is an idiot and a pussy. he's certainly not yonkou material although he is an excellent character

[masubiladin]

no one piece this week...feel really sad. I really want to know how can robin, franky and ussop are doing...

[c0nflikt]

blackbeard ran from akainu, blackbeard ran from shanks, blackbeard begged for his life when facing a severely injured whitebeard after getting his ass handed to him

blackbeard is an idiot and a pussy. he's certainly not yonkou material although he is an excellent character

Regardless of how you feel, he has two of the most awesome fruits in the series and one of the coolest crews so he's gonna be a really big part of OP. Another thing is he's a villain, villains don't care how they get the job done. they just do cowardly or otherwise.

The island chopper's on having giant birds and unique plants obviously suggests he will engineer a monster point medicine and he even used the word monster in the last chap. I want to see franky and zoro again.

[elitefox]

I wonder why didnt BB just take the ship from akainu?

he needs a ship big enough and akainu is just one... BB challenged garp + sengoku at the same time while with akainu lol. or he has just a trauma on dogs XD

[Poneglyph420]

Now to talk about something on topic, I agree on this whole SJW question. I, like many ppl, thought he was going to be BB's ship..... So if he's not that means that he is a crew member that the OP crew will one day have to fight...... Does this mean that a potential giant could join the ranks of the Sh's OR does it mean chopper will master monster point and became his opponent?!?!? Giants to join the crew could be that Giant that luffy set free back at the auction house with Ray-san, could also be a yet to be met giant who knows. Also if chopper was to face him that would mean thye SH's would have to find someone else to fight Doc Q. Oda is the master of unexpected fights. What I loved about the war is that the whole Royal shichi vs Wb pirates never actually happened LOL!

ANYWAY my point is that the obvious match ups that many ppl predicted with SH's vs Bb could turn out to be very different!!

I had thought about the logistics of SJW either being the BB Crew's ship or maybe the "motor" hanging on the back of a massive ship..
But from the last chapter sure seems like BB was intending to trade his gargantuan friend for a ship... So one way or the other I think the BB crew is raiding a town and will likely get a ship and then deal wit what to do with SJW. I think he will be useful IF the BB crew lose their ship, as a backup.. But as their "Mothership" IMO that'd be weak.

AS far as Chopper facing SJW in a "battle" well if he were to control Monster point, that'd be very interesting.. I think that's likely the case if we're talking "match ups".. If it goes that smoothly.

IMHO Chopper has no proclivity to fighting other crew's doctors. In the case of Hogback he had once respected him.. and that "betrayal" was what made Chopper determined to face him. IF anything Chopper would think Doc Q was sick.. and maybe think that's immoral as a doctor..

I'd think that Brooke would be a worthy opponent for Doc Q, But that's me.

As far as giants, I'm anxious to see Elbaf and how the SH would be welcomed...

[JesseZojo]

Wow, no One Piece this week? That's disappointing...

And are people really arguing about Blackbeard being a coward or weak? He's a pretty simple character with a dream and a "perfect" plan that's been stewing for god knows how long. I'd say if I got the chance to carry out my plan/dream (he got the opprotunity when he saw the Yami Yami no Mi) I would defeat two Whitebeard Commanders, become a shichibukai, break into Impel Down and find some legendary crew, stop by the Battle of Marinford to steal the Gura Gura no Mi's powers, avoid a ass-whoopin from Shanks and Akainu, and then go on to whatever next part of the plan.

Whether he and his crew could have beaten Shanks (+crew) or Akainu (+marine crew) is debatable...but he certainly isn't going to get into fights just for the hell of it.

Strange...I get the strongest sense of deja vu and irony right now... (remember what Blackbeard said when we first met him?)

[Ero-Sanji]

I had thought about the logistics of SJW either being the BB Crew's ship or maybe the "motor" hanging on the back of a massive ship..
But from the last chapter sure seems like BB was intending to trade his gargantuan friend for a ship... So one way or the other I think the BB crew is raiding a town and will likely get a ship and then deal wit what to do with SJW. I think he will be useful IF the BB crew lose their ship, as a backup.. But as their "Mothership" IMO that'd be weak.

I hadn't thought about that!:o

When I first read it I was sure Bonney was the trade offer all along but clearly BB had other plans for her but when she rejected him that's when she "became the offer".

Although I don't think SJW was the trade offer. BB said that the negotiations was for SJW meaning that the next boat was going to be adjusted for him. Which is interesting, BB said that SJW was responsible for breaking down the Marutabune. What did he do? Ride it along as a motor(as you said)? What did they think? Also, what do they mean with a boat being adjusted to him? I'm sure it's not going to be a matter of size, that would be ridiculous. Funny how the "battleship" is searching for a battleship:p

[El-Thor]

IMHO Chopper has no proclivity to fighting other crew's doctors. In the case of Hogback he had once respected him.. and that "betrayal" was what made Chopper determined to face him. IF anything Chopper would think Doc Q was sick.. and maybe think that's immoral as a doctor..

I'd think that Brooke would be a worthy opponent for Doc Q, But that's me.

As far as giants, I'm anxious to see Elbaf and how the SH would be welcomed...

You know something, I always envisioned Usopp fighting the Doc. That would be one hilarious fight !! At first Usopp would joke around and laugh at how sick the Doc looks :blink, but then the Doc takes some home made hormones and BAM he's super strong and scary :mad ! WOOOO :tem

Too bad there's no chapter this week. I'm really looking forward to seeing what's up with Zoro and Franky. I think Zoro will have a rematch with Hawkeyes.

[JesseZojo]

I think San Juan could have a Devil Fruit. I mean....DF users don't automatically lose conciousness when they're completely submerged in water...in fact, San Juan wasn't even completely submerged. He did remark how he couldn't move his legs.

[Kaiser Will]

Please posts that just asks: "Is there a chapter next week ?" or related to the matter, will be deleted immediately. Instead of asking look at the announcements, that's why it was made for. I'm certain that whether the chapter will be out or not it will have a news on the site treating the matter. Thanks!

[Myrmidonas]

blackbeard ran from akainu, blackbeard ran from shanks, blackbeard begged for his life when facing a severely injured whitebeard after getting his ass handed to him

blackbeard is an idiot and a pussy. he's certainly not yonkou material although he is an excellent character

Even without his DF power was strong enough to put a scar to Shanks and u still believe that he is not at a yonkou lvl,and if u remember Shanks said that he wasnt careless when he was hit from Blackbeard
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-434/page011.html

[Schabrak]

But that was ten years prior or more and he most probably was just a normal strong pirate back than, like every New World pirate with the potential to become Yonkou.

[Oni Giri]

with SJW, Blackbeard pirates need a ship as big as Thriller Bark. i don't understand how a normal battleship will carry this ultra-mega giant.

[Myrmidonas]

But that was ten years prior or more and he most probably was just a normal strong pirate back than, like every New World pirate with the potential to become Yonkou.
Shanks and Gorusei know that Blackbeard is strong,even Whitebeard himself didnt chase him(i dont mean that he was feared him)so imo its pointless to keep saying that Blackbeard isnt strong,i believe that blackbeard was at whitebeard's commader lvl before he ate his DF
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-552/page011.html
and words like coward or smart or whatever are too poor to characterize Blackbeard

[4StepsAhead]

IMO it was all Shanks words, Rayleigh and all Roger´s crew gives a shit about the future (well, not exactly :p) why would Rayleigh wait 20 years after Rogers death to make a move ? don´t tell me he did it because he saw something in Luffy, because Rayleigh was the one who wanted to meet him in the first place even before any previous contact between each other.
(he could have asked WhiteBeard and Shanks to join forces and reveal the truth to the world).

That's true but we don't know what Roger's crew found out about the one piece, so lets just leave it at ray's helping cause he's a nice guy. :)