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vagabond87
July 31, 2010, 04:13 PM
We know that after the war marines will had to change many things.. Songoku and Garp given up their positions in marines. So one of the admirals will be next fleet admiral and that will live one place empty. I will bet that Dobberman(most probably) or Onigumo will be promoted from VA to Admiral rank. Doberman have diffrent clothes from the other vice admirals like John Gigant(I know that is weak argument ;) ), always is in center when they show few VA on page(ennies lobby and war) and he looks like most experienced fighter in VA rank. Onigumo was given a mission to escort Ace from ID to Marineford so he must be strong enough for goverment to entrust him that mission. I started this thread to see what do you guys think about that "new admiral" thing? ;)

Wisshard
July 31, 2010, 04:35 PM
^I'm rooting for Strawberry-san, my favorite among the Vice-Admirals in terms of design though I fear that he is too lenient for such a promotion (the Gorouse seem to side with Akainu's view of justice more). And since he hasn't been shown to be outstanding among the Vice-Admirals in terms of strength either (like Garp) my hopes are not high.

If Aokiji is promoted to Fleet-Admiral then I think Smoker will be promoted to Admiral (if he is able to use Haki) or at least Vice-Admiral. But if Akainu becomes the next Fleet-Admiral, I think a more ruthless, established Vice-Admiral like Onigumo will be promoted. Though that will ruin the trend of all Admirals being logia-users...

Fox666
July 31, 2010, 05:22 PM
In terms of strength, I would be looking toward Smoker. However, Garp avoided the position of admiral because the responsabilites he would have. I suppose that an Admiral can't go in a personal quest against a certain rookie pirate, like Smoker is pretending with Luffy.

I don't feel none of the vice-admirals we have seen are worth the post. So I guess it will be a crazy new introduced character.

vagabond87
August 01, 2010, 03:32 AM
In terms of strength, I would be looking toward Smoker. However, Garp avoided the position of admiral because the responsabilites he would have. I suppose that an Admiral can't go in a personal quest against a certain rookie pirate, like Smoker is pretending with Luffy.

So you think that someone that didnt stand against Boa have enough strenght to became Admiral right now? From commodore to Admiral? I dont buy It.. He is weak compared to most VA and they all use haki that he probably cant use right now.
And I hope that you will be postively disappointed in VA in the future events and when one of them will became Admiral :amuse

ScratchmenApoo
August 01, 2010, 04:51 AM
I'm voting for Smoker only because he's a logia. The 3 Admirals should stay logia in my opinion. If anyone else, then it has to be someone with a Devil Fruit, definitely.
Or maybe I'm just underestimating the current Vice-Admirals...?

Aikidoka
August 01, 2010, 04:59 AM
Smoker might not be promoted for the story's sake, if he becomes Admiral his movements'll be more restricted as opposed to G-5 where he'll able to pursue Luffy. He certainly deserves it though (not sure if he knows Haki tho).

About the Logia theme, the Shichibukai had an animal theme and Blackbeard broke that up (even if only temporarily). So I think it should be fine if the Logia theme for the Admirals is broken up.

That said, none of the available VAs seem monstrous enough to be Admiral-level...so far Momonga, that dog Zoan guy, and maybe Onigumo (snuck up on Marco) have been confirmed to be top-tier (plus most of the Giants), but even then they don't seem to compare to the Admirals.

Who knows? I'm going to say someone completely new.

Wisshard
August 01, 2010, 05:16 AM
That said, none of the available VAs seem monstrous enough to be Admiral-level...so far Momonga, that dog Zoan guy, and maybe Onigumo (snuck up on Marco) have been confirmed to be top-tier (plus most of the Giants), but even then they don't seem to compare to the Admirals.

^Momonga was forced to his knees effortlessly by Boa, so I wouldn't count on him too much...

Regarding Smoker's strength, his clash with Boa didn't really show much. She didn't "own" him, she simply kicked him off Luffy then broke his jutte. And apart from Momonga and John Giant, we haven't seen enough to make a (loose) judgement of the VA's strength.

RezzieThaRapper
August 01, 2010, 06:08 AM
What if we get a giant who ate a logia... that would be an awesome admiral concept

realistically I'd choose the spider guy though

vagabond87
August 01, 2010, 06:30 AM
John Giant is out of the question- he was defeated by one Whitebeards quake punch and Akainu was still kicking after two so JG is too weak. The same Momonga- n war when WB reached the plaza and started to attack with his bisento(adding sometnhing related to his fruit to attacks) Momonga and some other VA were trembling http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/566/18-19/ Momonga nad secon one with mustaches. Dobberman is also visible and he isnt moving at all like Akainu and Kizaru one panel to the left. Wonder if he have dobberman DF, with all those scars and one dead eye he probably look badass while using his DF(if he have any).

Dekker
August 01, 2010, 08:38 AM
In my oppinion, Smoker is still a long way of to Admiral Level. I don't see him promoted to VA yet, either. We don't know if he can use haki to any extend. We also don't know if hes utilizing his fruit in any way yet. As it looks till now, smoker is a meere meely fighter who's not using his fruit other then doding attacks (yes this is a nice feat). I guess Doberman or Onigumo are top of the VA that we saw. Still it could be another VA either. After all, there still could be a logia between the VA as we haven't even seen all their DFs. We only saw Onigumo (probably spider zoan) if I remember correctly. The others were all just using meelecombat skills.
Guess we will find out soon enough though.

Rodrigo del Toro
August 01, 2010, 09:11 AM
I would like to be a VA who we have seen already, but we don't know his abilities. Doberman, Yamakaji, Strawberry, that big one with an iron-mask or that VA who has french-like looking with a moustache. I don't know if Momonga has another powers or abilities besides swordmanship and Rokushiki techniques, but if he doesn't, I don't think he would be promoted. Or maybe will be a character we haven't seen yet.

Bowser
August 01, 2010, 10:40 AM
If Aokiji becomes Fleet Admiral, then Strawberry to be VA. If it's Akainu, then Doberman to be VA. But on the basis of the way they want the Marines to be reformed.

Maybe Smoker could be promoted to Rear Admiral. Wouldn't be surprised if he becomes vice in the future but not yet.

Lord Rayleigh
August 01, 2010, 12:37 PM
I think that the new Admiral won't be someone who was defeated during the war for obvious reasons. So, John Giant, Lacroix and Ronse won't be promoted since they were defeated and it was also broadcasted.

I wonder if it will be one of the Vice-Admirals we know that will be promoted. If that's the case, I'll bet on Onigumo since he was the one who handcuffed Marco and the one who was responsible for Ace's transfer. He also has a name which fits the classical " Admiral surname " - Demon Spider.

Anyway, I'd like to see someone we do not really know and that we already have seen in the manga take the seat of Admiral. I think in particular about a Vice-Admiral (http://www.volonte-d.com/perso/images/viceamiral1.jpg) who was seen with Tsuru and other Vice-Admirals. He seems to be a leader among the Marines and even the Vice-Admirals - we saw him several times, and he was present at the first Shichibukai summit, and he was in the front of the Vice-Admiral picture. We don't know his name yet, so it may be the time for Oda to reveal who he is.

PS : we are not sure that if an Admiral becomes a Fleet Admiral, a Vice-Admiral will be necessarily promoted. That may be the case, and that may happened months after the last Admiral was promoted. And that's the same with the Vice-Admiral position and people talking about Smoker. It was never stated anywhere that in the Marine, there had to be 3 Admirals, a certain number of Vice-Admirals etc...

DARK
August 01, 2010, 01:26 PM
Well, it's safe to assume that one of the three current Admirals will be promoted to the Fleet Admiral, correct?

Going down the hierarchy, that means that a current Vice Admiral is sure to be promoted to this rank. Both Kuzan (Aokiji) and Sakazuki (Akainu) were Vice Admirals before they were promoted to the Admiral rank. Well, except for Garp (who has decided to resign on his own terms), do we know any Vice Admirals who are exceptional enough for the position? Naturally a Vice Admiral who has shown a prestige in battle and in tactical leadership is qualified to advance in rank. This is best reflected in his or her performance in the Whitebeard War.

Most of the Vice Admirals that we know of are not really as important or influential enough in the government. My best guess would have to be Tsuru. She is a direct subordinate of Sengoku (the previous Fleet Admiral). She was present for the vast majority of meetings, including the Shichibukai meeting during Jaya and was on the front lines. She wasn't seen often during the actual battle, of course, but one would think that she has much more influence than the majority of the other Vice Admirals in position.

Of course, we can't really compare any of the new recruits for the Admiral rank to the current trio.

Fox666
August 01, 2010, 01:34 PM
So you think that someone that didnt stand against Boa have enough strenght to became Admiral right now? From commodore to Admiral? I dont buy It.. He is weak compared to most VA and they all use haki that he probably cant use right now.
And I hope that you will be postively disappointed in VA in the future events and when one of them will became Admiral :amuseSmoker is stronger than most Vice-Admirals in my opinion. Back them he said that there are guys weaker than him with higher positions, and that makes sense judging on how he deal with his superiors.

And I don't believe most of Vice-Admirals are very strong (at least strong like Smoker or Sentoumaru) because they had quite a bad time during the series. I.e. the 3 Vice-Admirals Doflamingo played in Mariejoia, the fat guy from Ace's cover story, the five admirals that do not interfered in Rob Lucci combat. It's not confirmed, but it's very probably that giant Luffy took down right after he landed in Marineford was an vice-admiral. And I am not including the 3 ones which Whitebeard and Oars took down because that's not something to be ashamed of.

At least there are some strong guys beetween them, like the 3 Admirals in early years and Garp. And I would expect something good from Tsuru too.

Anyway, I'd like to see someone we do not really know and that we already have seen in the manga take the seat of Admiral. I think in particular about a Vice-Admiral (http://www.volonte-d.com/perso/images/viceamiral1.jpg) who was seen with Tsuru and other Vice-Admirals. He seems to be a leader among the Marines and even the Vice-Admirals - we saw him several times, and he was present at the first Shichibukai summit, and he was in the front of the Vice-Admiral picture. We don't know his name yet, so it may be the time for Oda to reveal who he is.Well, Doflamingo played with that guy. So I wouldn't expected someone who was humiliated to take such an important hole in the series.

Schabrak
August 01, 2010, 03:43 PM
But that's the absolute weapon from Doflamingo, the Shichibukai we know least of. Of course he should be able to hold back a Vice-Admiral as somebody who's such a big factor in the balance of the Big 3. Don't forget what he did to Diamond Joz.
To those on the Buster Call ships: They never had a reason to interfere the fight, as they knew how strong Lucci was and Luffy only survived to lucky circumstances. The mugiwaras just were lucky to escape, having only to fight against captains and fodder marines.

redred
August 01, 2010, 03:52 PM
i hope its a badass new character thats yet to be introduced.
although it seems that most of the important powerful figures in the manga have already been introduced through major past events.
i dont think any of the characters introduced thus far in the marines have shown the level of "untouchability" that the admirals have :P

BetaRuler
August 01, 2010, 03:56 PM
ENERU FOR ADMIRAL!!!

(im sure most of you who can remember the fake spoilers a month or 2 ago about him becoming an Admiral would find this a hilarious suggestion)

kkck
August 01, 2010, 05:34 PM
Interestingly, I'd like to see momonga as an admiral. He is both, a haki and rokushiki user and clearly more than strong enough to give luffy the fodder treatment. I'd think he'd be an interesting admiral.... The other guy with the dog theme going on would be an interesting choice too.

bittman
August 01, 2010, 06:38 PM
Well since Smoker hasn't shown himself at a capable level to be of Admiral rank yet (though we all can see it in his shining future...unless he does a Garp) I wonder whether or not they'll just leave the position blank for a while?

If not, I would say no to Momonga (he, at best, seemed to be at Hancock's level). Onigumo and Doberman have had decent showings, but I'm going to go with John Giant.

Sure, against Whitebeard he only took the one shot as opposed to Akainu taking two, but he's freaking John Giant.

P.S. I wonder if we're going to have to stop calling Aokoji..."Aokoji"?

P.P.S. I'd be all for a barely/un-introduced character also. For all we know, they'll take pwngoat or Garp's second-in-command (Bogart?).

Wisshard
August 01, 2010, 06:48 PM
Interestingly, I'd like to see momonga as an admiral.
Momonga was effortlessly forced to his knees (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/516/16/) by Hancock, I just can't see a potential Admiral being treated that way by a Shichibukai (especially after Akainu's words to Jinbei "You, a Shichibukai, should know the difference in our power" (something to that effect)).


[Momonga] is both, a haki and rokushiki user and clearly more than strong enough to give luffy the fodder treatment
^He gave an exahusted, injured base Luffy the "fodder treatment" together with another VA, hardly the most accurate scene to gauge Momonga's strength...

Lord Rayleigh
August 01, 2010, 06:51 PM
Well, Doflamingo played with that guy. So I wouldn't expected someone who was humiliated to take such an important hole in the series.
Doflamingo humiliated the man that was under his control. He made a marine officer attack this Vice-Admiral - trying to strangle and then to stab him. Anyway, this Vice-Admiral did not get injured and was not controlled so I don't think he was humiliated.

molecularpepsi
August 01, 2010, 11:20 PM
i know it wouldn't make sense, as he technically isn't a marine, but i really hope Magellan gets the job as the new admiral!

he has shown that he is almost unbeatable and i don't think Oda would showcase his awesome ability for nothing.

pirates and marines would definitely fear and respect him respectively. he doesn't have a japanese actor's mug, but he is by far the most dominating character we've seen in One peace outside of Enel, the yonkou, the shichibukai and admirals.

probably will never happen, but if the marines really want to shake things up and if Oda wants to surprise us, it just might.

kkck
August 02, 2010, 12:09 AM
Momonga was effortlessly forced to his knees (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/516/16/) by Hancock, I just can't see a potential Admiral being treated that way by a Shichibukai (especially after Akainu's words to Jinbei "You, a Shichibukai, should know the difference in our power" (something to that effect)).


^He gave an exahusted, injured base Luffy the "fodder treatment" together with another VA, hardly the most accurate scene to gauge Momonga's strength...

Hancock has an ability which allows her to turn the lust of someone against that someone. That is a heck of an ability and would work on practically any dude with a functional pair of balls for the most part. It's not a matter of strength, momonga was not in any way forced to his knees due to a difference in skill. Hancock's ability is very convenient in that it works just the same on anyone regardless of their strength, if you feel lust then you are screwed.

Luffy had received the adrenaline hormones and was in gear two. Hormones allow him to ignore fatigue and we all know what gear 2 does.

elitefox
August 02, 2010, 12:37 AM
^I'm rooting for Strawberry-san, my favorite among the Vice-Admirals in terms of design though I fear that he is too lenient for such a promotion (the Gorouse seem to side with Akainu's view of justice more). And since he hasn't been shown to be outstanding among the Vice-Admirals in terms of strength either (like Garp) my hopes are not high.

If Aokiji is promoted to Fleet-Admiral then I think Smoker will be promoted to Admiral (if he is able to use Haki) or at least Vice-Admiral. But if Akainu becomes the next Fleet-Admiral, I think a more ruthless, established Vice-Admiral like Onigumo will be promoted. Though that will ruin the trend of all Admirals being logia-users...

Even if all admirals go down, smoker won't be getting admiral title soon unless he proves that he is stronger than most of the vice-admirals

Most likely and Naturally the selection would come from the vice-admirals

We haven't seen all vice admirals, so there might be someone that is not highlighted from the war or even not in the war who'll get promoted.

I wonder who assigns the admiral position? Fleet admiral / Pan admiral / Gourousei

DARK
August 02, 2010, 12:40 AM
Interestingly, I'd like to see momonga as an admiral. He is both, a haki and rokushiki user and clearly more than strong enough to give luffy the fodder treatment. I'd think he'd be an interesting admiral.... The other guy with the dog theme going on would be an interesting choice too.

While it is true that Momonga has been seen more often than most of the Vice Admirals we know of, I can't see him ever being promoted to the Admiral level.

Theoretically speaking, Admirals are supposed to be as strong as the Shichibukai and Yonkou, as they are the centerpiece to even out the balance of the Three Great Powers. Momonga was barely seen escaping Hancock's mero technique, only by inflicting pain on himself. While he is an impressive fighter, he's just not on that Admiral level imo.

It's going to be a hard decision for Oda to make. He's established just how powerful and unique the current Admiral trio is. I don't think anything the World Government has any fighters that we know of right now that are qualified enough to take the position. My guess, either he elects Tsuru or creates an entirely new character for the job.

kkck
August 02, 2010, 12:44 AM
I don't see why the mero thing should be held against momonga. Its a technique which indiscriminately works on those who feel lust for crying out loud. It's not something you can necessarily avoid by being stronger. And why do we have any reason to believe the VA could not fight at roughly the same level as the shichibukai? They are the ones who follow the admirals in rank, is it realistic to think these guys are not THAT strong? I don't think the VA should be seen as a lesser force than the shichibukai or commanders.

Ero-Sanji
August 02, 2010, 01:39 AM
I don't see why the mero thing should be held against momonga. Its a technique which indiscriminately works on those who feel lust for crying out loud. It's not something you can necessarily avoid by being stronger. And why do we have any reason to believe the VA could not fight at roughly the same level as the shichibukai? They are the ones who follow the admirals in rank, is it realistic to think these guys are not THAT strong? I don't think the VA should be seen as a lesser force than the shichibukai or commanders.

Well, it kind of does make him less suitable as an admiral if his haki isn't strong enough to withstand the effects of the Mero Mero no Mi. However Boa has an excellent control of hers and on top of that she has the unique King's haki. So, perhaps he also lost at the battle of wills and thus only had the option to damage himself.

Reading the situation I thought Oda wanted us to show Hancocks strength and not his weakness. But still the one of the Vice-admirals who have impressed me the most is Onigumo. For reasons already pointed out in previous posts.

vagabond87
August 02, 2010, 02:18 AM
Doberman will be Admiral only if Akainu will become Fleet Admiral- two Admirals with caps is too much ;) or maby not if Kizaru will be "central Admiral"(the one that sits between two others ;P). I hope that we will see who they chosen in next chapters..

Aikidoka
August 02, 2010, 04:24 AM
I agree with kkck and maintain that Momonga's one of the stronger VAs (Hancock's Mero Mero is basically an Eigen thing to every guy and some girls; not to say she's not strong, what with OHKO-ing a Pacifista). Even so, I think he lacks the 'untouchable' atmosphere that the current Admirals have.

I know this is unlikely, but Magellan seems to be the only WG/Marines guy that has such an atmosphere. He's had a flawless [onscreen] battle record, definitely 'untouchable' with most characters...pwned Luffy which so far I think only Aokiji has done without losing after (though granted, Luffy was tired).

I say 'unlikely' because Magellan was Impel Down staff, wouldn't make sense for him to jump all the way to Admiral rank when he wasn't even working for the Marines. Plus I assume managing a fleet is way different from managing a prison.

Lord Rayleigh
August 02, 2010, 04:45 AM
Magellan is not untouchable. It is confirmed that he was beaten and nearly killed and it is likely the doing of the Blackbeard Pirates. Sengoku said that despite the disgrace, Magellan should absolutely remain the Chief warden of Impel Down. He cannot let the prison unprotected, especially after the incident that has just occured.

DEATHBOTT
August 02, 2010, 04:49 AM
one of the 3 new vc would be cool. the dog one and the one with the mask looked badass and the one with the mustache looked pretty cool too. out of the others i like doberman and momonga. strawberry, helmet guy and cigar guy look stupid imo, tsuru to old, maybe john giant or one of the other giant vcs but im not to keen on them unless they have dfs.

Aikidoka
August 02, 2010, 04:53 AM
Magellan is not untouchable. It is confirmed that he was beaten and nearly killed and it is likely the doing of the Blackbeard Pirates. Sengoku said that despite the disgrace, Magellan should absolutely remain the Chief warden of Impel Down. He cannot let the prison unprotected, especially after the incident that has just occured.
That's why I noted his battle record was only flawless onscreen. Thanks for pointing out what Sengoku said though, I didn't catch that in my reading.

LeDuck
August 02, 2010, 04:54 AM
Magellan is a good choice, in my opinion he is still the only person that would fit the title, he was the guy that one shotted Blackbeard afterall. We haven't really seen that much from the VA's, but besides Haki they don't seem to have any kind of outstanding ability (What was their impact in the war again?).
Or let me put it this way:
Don't you want poor Hannyabal to become chief warden? :>

kkck
August 02, 2010, 09:20 AM
Well, it kind of does make him less suitable as an admiral if his haki isn't strong enough to withstand the effects of the Mero Mero no Mi. However Boa has an excellent control of hers and on top of that she has the unique King's haki. So, perhaps he also lost at the battle of wills and thus only had the option to damage himself.

Reading the situation I thought Oda wanted us to show Hancocks strength and not his weakness. But still the one of the Vice-admirals who have impressed me the most is Onigumo. For reasons already pointed out in previous posts.

What are you talking about? When has haki shown it can resist the powers of a DF? When have we been shown a shred of evidence haki can even do for someone something like that? This wasn't a battle of wills, this was a battle of a man against the most arbitrary ability in the manga. Considering momonga was not turned to stone like boa intended, it is in no way defeat on his part. Not to mention boa is not necessarily weak. During the war it was mentioned she took out pacifista lest and right. Even if they were not set to attack her, damaging pacifistas is already an accomplishment in itself given what we saw before. Boa could easily be one of the strongest characters we have seen.

Fox666
August 02, 2010, 09:37 AM
Considering momonga was not turned to stone like boa intended, it is in no way defeat on his part.It is based on the look of fear on his face. :p By the way, it would be troublesome if a swordman need to pierce his hand with a knife each time Boa used that attack.

kkck
August 02, 2010, 09:49 AM
It is based on the look of fear on his face. :p By the way, it would be troublesome if a swordman need to pierce his hand with a knife each time Boa used that attack.

Not sure if I would call it fear lol. And what look would you expect from him, he had just stabbed his own hand... I think boa's ability is being grossly understimated (and by extention momonga). Imaging running into a hot girl and just thinking she is beautiful could kill you.... Not even something a tad extreme like "I want to undress her with my teeth or do xxx to her" but thinking something as simple as "she is hot".... Such a line of thought is borderline instictive, I am reasonably sure most men can't avoid it for their lives. And yes, it is troublesome... You'd need quite some focus to avoid it under normal circumstances.

Wisshard
August 02, 2010, 10:57 AM
Hancock has an ability which allows her to turn the lust of someone against that someone. That is a heck of an ability and would work on practically any dude with a functional pair of balls for the most part. It's not a matter of strength, momonga was not in any way forced to his knees due to a difference in skill. Hancock's ability is very convenient in that it works just the same on anyone regardless of their strength, if you feel lust then you are screwed.
The scene strongly implied that Hancock were Momonga's superior, no matter her hax ability. Besides, I can't see her doing the same to Aokiji, or any other of the highest tiers. In a way, the scene also implied that Momonga were incapable of defending himself against Hancock with Haki (as the Admirals (presumably) did to protect the platform from Whitebeard's quake, and Sentoumaru (presumably...^) did vs. Luffy).

Note, I'm not saying that Momonga is weak, indeed I think he may be a little stronger then the current Luffy (before he learns to use his Haki). But I don't think Momonga has been portrayed "strong" enough to indicate that he is ready to be promoted to Admiral (none of the VA's have, but some are left rather vague to us).


Luffy had received the adrenaline hormones and was in gear two. Hormones allow him to ignore fatigue and we all know what gear 2 does.
Luffy had not recieved Adrenaline Hormones for a while and was kicked around by Kizuro (lightspeed kick's gotta hurt, especially if Kizuro was using Haki to bypass Luffy's rubber) and stabbed by Aokiji just moments before. And he was not (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-567/page010.html)in Gear 2, he was Shigan'ad (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-567/page011.html) just as he attempted to activate it.

kkck
August 02, 2010, 11:08 AM
Why couldn't you see others going through something similar when facing hancock? Quite frankly, characters like aokiji or kizaru would seem all the more vulnerable to her ability due to their personalities..... I don't think what the admirals did to protect the island from the quake would work against hancock's ability, its two completely different things. Sentomaru also protected himself from luffy but I doubt the same kind of protection would work against hancocks ability....

The adrenaline hormones allow luffy to ignore fatigue for 24 hours as said by iva. In that sense, its effect was about as good as hours before. Luffy not even being able to activate gear two against the VA does not help his cause. IMHO any of the admirals at this point would give luffy (and his entire crew) the fodder treatment. Anything less than that and the third greatest marine asset would be seriously worthless considering what we have seen.

Wisshard
August 02, 2010, 12:59 PM
Why couldn't you see others going through something similar when facing hancock? Quite frankly, characters like aokiji or kizaru would seem all the more vulnerable to her ability due to their personalities..... I don't think what the admirals did to protect the island from the quake would work against hancock's ability, its two completely different things. Sentomaru also protected himself from luffy but I doubt the same kind of protection would work against hancocks ability....

The Admirals negated an attack made by a Devil Fruit power (and Sentomaru negated Luffy's rubber defense and Gomu attack) with (what I assume was) Haki. Following that line of thought, Hancock's Mero Mero Mellow technique should be no different since it is, essentially, a Devil Fruit attack. That is, however, only speculation.

Even if I'm wrong, and you can't use Haki to defend against Hancock's Mero Mero techniques, I'd think that the Admirals have sufficient self-control to avoid being turned into stone without resorting to stab themselves (whereas Momonga required present pain to focus upon to escape the love technique (hence the self inflicted wound)).


The adrenaline hormones allow luffy to ignore fatigue for 24 hours as said by iva. In that sense, its effect was about as good as hours before.

I was under the impression that the adrenaline hormones supplied you with a burst of adrenaline (hence relieved you of tension from any pain and fatigue (as adrenaline does)). So as the adrenaline gradually runs out, Luffy would gradually begin to feel all the fatigue and pain he had stockpiled (and the adrenaline were obviously running out by the time he got the "fodder treatment" by Momonga and the unnamed VA).
And the 24 hours thing was the after effect that Iva-chan warned Luffy about, that it'd be a price to pay later for the extra energy.


Luffy not even being able to activate gear two against the VA does not help his cause. IMHO any of the admirals at this point would give luffy (and his entire crew) the fodder treatment. Anything less than that and the third greatest marine asset would be seriously worthless considering what we have seen.

Any of the three Admirals would indeed have little to no trouble with the entire Straw Hat crew, as they can't even harm them so I assume you meant the VA's. And though I certainly agree that there should be a few among them (barring Garp) strong enough for that, I don't think it's implied that Momonga would be one of them...
If every single one of the VA's is strong enough to solo the Straw Hats without a scratch to tell the tale, it'd make the Shichibukai (at least Crocodile (who fought skirmishes with Doflamingo and Mihawk) and Moria (though the Gorousei seemingly agrees with that thought ^) absolutly redundant.

molecularpepsi
August 02, 2010, 02:02 PM
where is it mentioned that there must be "3" admirals at all times?
isn't it mentioned that Garp turned down the position more than once? was he offered the position when there were only 2 admirals?

i think it's safe to assume that had Garp accepted the position we could have 4 admirals right now.

i guess my point is perhaps the WG will be content with only 2 juggernaut admirals until they identify a qualified contender.

i mean its probably quality not quantity that they are looking for.

from what we all saw in the WB war, none of the VP showed anything special, none of them pwned anyone worth mentioning.

on the other hand, the admirals matched WB stride for stride and were causing havoc and destruction all over the battlefield. they changed the nature of the battlefield a couple of times, for crying out loud!

an admiral, in my opinion needs to be a logia by necessity, we all saw the kind of blows the admirals took in that war and had they not been logias they all would be dead by now or at least would not have dared to fight so aggressively.

to my knowledge none of the current known VAs seems to fit the bill.

smoker is a very attractive candidate, however he is clearly not at admiral fighting level yet, and i'm not sure he'd ever accept the position.

i would love to have some badass unknown VA take the job, someone we have never met or seen, perhaps someone on a secret mission in the new world or something.

i believe that Magellan would be interested in hunting down all the prisoners that escaped and bring them all back to impel down, which may tempt him to actually ask to join the marines, opening the way for him to eventually become the next admiral.

and even though he was beaten, possibly by BB and his crew, he has so far shown that he is a powerhouse that is not to be taken lightly, and in my opinion no other character affiliated with the WG outside of the Shichibukai and admirals comes even close. Magellan FTW!

just thought i'd push the discussion in different directions, let me know what your thoughts are.

Wisshard
August 02, 2010, 02:37 PM
^You are right that nothing have been said that three admirals is a necessity, however it'd take the heart out of the topic if we all assumed that... (though I think you are right, that Kong and the Gorousei would prefer only two admirals fit for their posts over promoting someone just for the number three (though it is a lucky one number ^))

Personally, I wouldn't mind a Zoan-user or a purely physical powerhouse as Admiral since the type of fruit (or the lack of one) doesn't seem to matter all that much at the higherst tiers (i.e. Whitebeard (Paramecia), Marco (Zoan) and Shanks (presumably) no DF).

You are right that no one of the Vice Admirals stood out and gave an impressive display of power as the Admirals did, but then we weren't shown all that much of them.

If not Strawberry-san, then I think it'd be cool to see an hardened veteran VA from G5 (the marine base in the New World) who is an Awakened Zoan-user promoted to Admiral.

vagabond87
August 02, 2010, 03:07 PM
an admiral, in my opinion needs to be a logia by necessity, we all saw the kind of blows the admirals took in that war and had they not been logias they all would be dead by now or at least would not have dared to fight so aggressively.

In my opinion Garp(he wasnt Admiral but Kong offerd him that position so..) and Sengoku werent logias and they were able to handle the jobs ;)
Imagine some Admiral who is not logia with douriki over 9000(:p) and Tekkai Kenpo(Tekkai active even when moving- Jyabura was able to use that). That kind of person wont mind any cannon fire or any attacks from non haki users.

kkck
August 02, 2010, 04:48 PM
I don't think it'd be a requirement to be a logia.... logia would have certain advantages but lets remember those advantages would be useless against strong enough people. Haki users can damage logia so basically intangibility would only be useful to scare fodder or weakened enemies against whom intangibility would not be a necessity in the first place. I guess it could have other uses but not to the point where not being a logia means you can't be an admiral.

zerocooldx
August 02, 2010, 05:58 PM
Even though Aokiji was recommended to become the next Fleet Admiral by Sengoku i think that the WG, mainly the Gorosei, are going to have the final say on who becomes the new Admiral and Fleet Admiral. I think they will appoint Akainu as Fleet Admiral and then introduce a WG figure to take his place as Admiral. I think the change within the Marines is rather apparent now, "noble" Marines such as Garp and Sengoku are on their way out. While figures like Akainu and even the WG really took center stage during the war that the Marines had with the WB pirates. Their version of justice seems to be different from even someone like Sengoku. So i can see Akainu being allowed to become Fleet Admiral and thus spread the idea of Absolute Justice, which very much so seems to be a WG thing. And the new Admiral, whom i think will be a WG figure, will only solidify this ideological shift that the Marines seem to be quietly undertaking.

bittman
August 02, 2010, 06:25 PM
I see a lot of people saying "Oh but the Gorousei will promote Akainu. I mean, he's evil. They're evil. It's all evil!"

Fatal flaw in this logic is the impression of the Gorousei people seem to have. Sure, they are a representation of evil in the One Piece story. However, they didn't get there by being idiots and ruling through fear.

The Gorousei need a strong marine force and strong alliances with it's allied nations. They aren't going to acheive this by putting an angry loyal dog as head of the navy to inspire a new generation of marines through fear and mass-murder.

If we go by namesake, the Blue Pheasant should represent the calm and wise being. You want wisdom at the head of an operation as large as the marines, not something that barks and bites.

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On Admiral though: I doubt we need another logia, and it definitely isnt a requirement. A Zoan would seem like the easy choice (seeing as the marines seem to be full of Zoans) and would also give some good combat scenes because that's really what Zoans were built for. I still want John Giant though.

kkck
August 02, 2010, 06:48 PM
The Admirals negated an attack made by a Devil Fruit power (and Sentomaru negated Luffy's rubber defense and Gomu attack) with (what I assume was) Haki. Following that line of thought, Hancock's Mero Mero Mellow technique should be no different since it is, essentially, a Devil Fruit attack. That is, however, only speculation.

Even if I'm wrong, and you can't use Haki to defend against Hancock's Mero Mero techniques, I'd think that the Admirals have sufficient self-control to avoid being turned into stone without resorting to stab themselves (whereas Momonga required present pain to focus upon to escape the love technique (hence the self inflicted wound)).



I was under the impression that the adrenaline hormones supplied you with a burst of adrenaline (hence relieved you of tension from any pain and fatigue (as adrenaline does)). So as the adrenaline gradually runs out, Luffy would gradually begin to feel all the fatigue and pain he had stockpiled (and the adrenaline were obviously running out by the time he got the "fodder treatment" by Momonga and the unnamed VA).
And the 24 hours thing was the after effect that Iva-chan warned Luffy about, that'd be a price to pay later for the extra energy.



Any of the three Admirals would indeed have little to no trouble with the entire Straw Hat crew, as they can't even harm them so I assume you meant the VA's. And though I certainly agree that there should be a few among them (barring Garp) strong enough for that, I don't think it's implied that Momonga would be one of them...
If every single one of the VA's is strong enough to solo the Straw Hats without a scratch to tell the tale, it'd make the Shichibukai (at least Crocodile (who fought skirmishes with Doflamingo and Mihawk) and Moria (though the Gorousei seemingly agrees with that thought ^) absolutly redundant.

I don't think haki can "negate" DFs, I'd find that idea very queer. That is BB fruit ability, I think haki can hurt fruit users for reasons different from that. If haki could negate a DF then basically anyone would be capable of doing what BB does, there would be no need for his fruit. I think the mechanism behind hurting fruit users is different from that. In that sense, for instance luffy would not stop being rubber when hit by a haki user (which would happen if his ability was negated).

I don't think the admirals are that above the VA in any way... Least of all self control lol... I mean, just look at how the have behaved so far. If I do recall aokiji even asked nami on a when he first met her.

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-539/page012.html
Ivankov said luffy would be able to ignore his fatigue for a day. If that is the case, then luffy's performance against the VAs was less than acceptable.

I don't see how the WG could have thought they had a chance against the WB pirates if the VAs were someone a rookie like luffy could take. The commanders alone would have been too much considering each of them had it in them to at least stand up to the admirals or shichibukai. The VA must necessarily have a level of strength a rookie like luffy could not even hope to match. How else would the WG keep in check the yonkou along with their subordinates and the pirates who follow closely after them?

RichardMNixon
August 02, 2010, 06:57 PM
Luffy had received the adrenaline hormones and was in gear two. Hormones allow him to ignore fatigue and we all know what gear 2 does.

No, he turned Gear 2 on after being cut by Momonga - that's when the Dalmation VA shigan'd him. I'm also not sure how dodging one attack and hitting someone with a sword once is "giving the fodder treatment."

kkck
August 02, 2010, 07:09 PM
No, he turned Gear 2 on after being cut by Momonga - that's when the Dalmation VA shigan'd him. I'm also not sure how dodging one attack and hitting someone with a sword once is "giving the fodder treatment."

What attack did luffy dodge? I am reasonably sure all of the VA got him very cleanly. Otherwise there would not be blood in the frames.

Aikidoka
August 02, 2010, 07:57 PM
Luffy isn't a good indicator of Momonga or the dog guy's strength -- neither side was at full strength, and it was one of those wild skirmishes that the WB War was full of. If it was a one-on-one with one of those two, the outcome would most likely be different.

Anyway, I agree with whoever said on page 3 (EDIT: Wisshard) that Momonga is strong, but not Admiral level. Admiral level is way above what we usually see from 'strong' people...for example, no one would argue that Luffy is definitely strong, but he got curbstomped by Aokiji. The Admirals are in an entire other league, but that doesn't make the others (VAs, Shichibukai, SHs) weak.

jourrel
August 02, 2010, 08:23 PM
I think it's a new guy from the VA like someone that has a power like water water fruit or something so that he will fit the aokiji title

hdiuy
August 02, 2010, 09:40 PM
So far i don't think any of the remaining VA is strong enough to make it to admiral yet. But then again we havn't seen much of the VAs so its kinda hard to judge. Maybe it would be a retired marine who will be the next admiral, though i'm kinda hoping that maybe just maybe the old lady would be the next admiral.

elitefox
August 03, 2010, 12:56 AM
where is it mentioned that there must be "3" admirals at all times?
isn't mentioned that Garp turned down the position more than once? was he offered the position when there were only 2 admirals?

i think it's safe to assume that had Garp accepted the position we could have 4 admirals right now.

i guess my point is perhaps the WG will be content with only 2 juggernaut admirals until they identify a qualified contender.

i mean its probably quality not quantity that they are looking for.

from what we all saw in the WB war, none of the VP showed anything special, none of them pwned anyone worth mentioning.

on the other hand, the admirals matched WB stride for stride and were causing havoc and destruction all over the battlefield. they changed the nature of the battlefield a couple of times, for crying out loud!

an admiral, in my opinion needs to be a logia by necessity, we all saw the kind of blows the admirals took in that war and had they not been logias they all would be dead by now or at least would not have dared to fight so aggressively.

to my knowledge none of the current known VAs seems to fit the bill.

smoker is a very attractive candidate, however he is clearly not at admiral fighting level yet, and i'm not sure he'd ever accept the position.

i would love to have some badass unknown VA take the job, someone we have never met or seen, perhaps someone on a secret mission in the new world or something.

i believe that Magellan would be interested in hunting down all the prisoners that escaped and bring them all back to impel down, which may tempt him to actually ask to join the marines, opening the way for him to eventually become the next admiral.

and even though he was beaten, possibly by BB and his crew, he has so far shown that he is a powerhouse that is not to be taken lightly, and in my opinion no other character affiliated with the WG outside of the Shichibukai and admirals comes even close. Magellan FTW!

just thought i'd push the discussion in different directions, let me know what your thoughts are.

lol, the fleet admiral is not a logia :D though Buddha like or something alike lol

Garp doesn't have any DF and can swim I bet as far as rayleigh and punch several seakings in the way :D


Unless recognize as strong enough or feared or his/her name can bring terror then he/she might be qualified as admiral.

Wisshard
August 03, 2010, 03:06 AM
I don't think haki can "negate" DFs, I'd find that idea very queer. That is BB fruit ability, I think haki can hurt fruit users for reasons different from that. If haki could negate a DF then basically anyone would be capable of doing what BB does, there would be no need for his fruit. I think the mechanism behind hurting fruit users is different from that. In that sense, for instance luffy would not stop being rubber when hit by a haki user (which would happen if his ability was negated).

I did not say that Haki-user could negate Devil Fruit themselves, as Blackbeard's Yami Yami fruit is capable of. What I suggested was that Haki may be used to defend against Devil Fruit techniques/attacks (i.e. Whitebeard's quake).


http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-539/page012.html
Ivankov said luffy would be able to ignore his fatigue for a day. If that is the case, then luffy's performance against the VAs was less than acceptable.

If that was the case, then how come Luffy gradually showed signs of exhaustion in the war and finally needed one more adrenaline shot to stand up?
I interpret Iva-chans words differently, that his hormones gives an adrenaline boost that make you capable of ignoring fatigue and pain (to an extent). It usually last for a day, but Luffy struggled and fought hard and so ran out of his adrenaline boost much quicker.


I don't see how the WG could have thought they had a chance against the WB pirates if the VAs were someone a rookie like luffy could take. The commanders alone would have been too much considering each of them had it in them to at least stand up to the admirals or shichibukai. The VA must necessarily have a level of strength a rookie like luffy could not even hope to match. How else would the WG keep in check the yonkou along with their subordinates and the pirates who follow closely after them?

I said I didn't think everyone of the Vice Admirals are capable of stomping the entire Straw Hat crew solo-style. I did not say Luffy could beat them mano-mano. Indeed, I acknowledged in an earlier post that I think Momonga is stronger then Luffy (and so subsequently, the majority of the other VA's (as I've made a case that Momonga is nothing special among them)).

However, I don't think they all are so near the Admirals in fighting strength as you (seemingly) does. The Admirals were portrayed as incredible strong, and have had impressive feats in the manga while the Vice Admirals fought fodder, the lower tiers of the WB commander's and NW Captains.
I could see a few of the VA's (barring Garp) with exceptional fighting strength close to the Admirals, such as Onigumo (who managed to cuff Marco (while casually smoking at that!)) but not the group as a whole.

Ero-Sanji
August 03, 2010, 03:23 AM
I don't think haki can "negate" DFs, I'd find that idea very queer. That is BB fruit ability, I think haki can hurt fruit users for reasons different from that. If haki could negate a DF then basically anyone would be capable of doing what BB does, there would be no need for his fruit. I think the mechanism behind hurting fruit users is different from that. In that sense, for instance luffy would not stop being rubber when hit by a haki user (which would happen if his ability was negated).

This is very interesting. I reread the battle between Luffy and the Boa sisters and I can't say Luffy's fruit got negated. Yeah, he did lose his rubber defense but he could still stretch, at least his legs:

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-519/page010.html

When Rayleigh faced Kizaru, he did manage to solidify him by hurting him but Kizaru's fruit wasn't negated since the sword was still intact. Jozu vs Aokiji was the same. While bleeding and taking damage Aokiji still cracked like ice. Then recently Shanks stopped Akainu's attack but his fist was still made out of Lava.

So, imo you're right Haki as we know it doesn't negate the fruits like BB does but defining what it does is hard.

I've also been very hard towards Momonga due to his humiliating "loss" against Hancock. And until today I thought he had a weak Haki to not be able to "negate" the effects of her fruit but now when I think about it, it's actually crystal clear why he "lost".

Haki as we know it works it's mysterious ways only to physical attacks meaning that attacks like Gomu Gomu no Pistol and Perfume femur are able to get "negated" while Mero Mero Mellow and say Yasakani no Magatama of Kizaru are impossible to "negate" since they are already "independent" and not a part of the opponent.

This would explain why Momonga couldn't negate the effects of Mero Mero Mellow as well as why Rayleigh redirected the beam of Kizaru rather than stopping it completely. So, judging Momonga for his kneeling is wrong and if it were a real fight Momonga would have still been able to fight and perhaps even win. Anyway, I still vote for Onigumo for his feats and the next admiral will surely be weaker than the other two.

Wisshard
August 03, 2010, 04:12 AM
So, imo you're right Haki as we know it doesn't negate the fruits like BB does but defining what it does is hard.

No one was debuting the point, it seems pretty clear by now that the Yami Yami has an unique ability in that it completely nullify Devil Fruits from anyone Blackbeard touches.
Haki is forming up to be a formidable tool and seemingly has a great variations of abilities it offers, but Haki attacks (from what we have been shown) works differently from the Yami Yami fruit. Instead of nullify the Devil Fruit, it seems to bypass the Devil Fruit properties (i.e. Luffy's rubber body, a logia-users intangibility).


Haki as we know it works it's mysterious ways only to physical attacks meaning that attacks like Gomu Gomu no Pistol and Perfume femur are able to get "negated" while Mero Mero Mellow and say Yasakani no Magatama of Kizaru are impossible to "negate" since they are already "independent" and not a part of the opponent.

It is a debatable point, though I think that you are wrong. Here (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-564/page010.html)we see the Admirals (presumably) use Haki to defend against Whitebeard's quake, which was as much "independent" as Hancock's Mero Mero Mellow or Borsalino's beams.

kkck
August 03, 2010, 08:31 AM
What are onigumo's feats? He is probably a beast given that he would seem to be a swordsman who can use 8 swords along with haki but I don't think he has shown actual feats.

Uriel
August 03, 2010, 10:20 AM
I think what Haki does is to (Trough understanding) make some things happen. Let me explain:
If fire can't be touched, Haki makes it "touchable" without changing other characteristic. If "Quake" is unstoppable, then they make stoppable. If light can't be caught, then makes it catchable. When the will is just too strong, the order in the mind of the weaker are different. So if someone shouts stop, the "will" will make everyone to stop and for the weaklings it would mean "faint" or "stop completely"
I think Haki is not just the ultimate level but instead has some levels inside it that doesn't fit in "Regular Haki" and "King's Disposition". I think it goes further than that, but at this point it's only a guessing based in other "Ki" systems (Like Nen in HxH, without the divisions)

As far as I get it, Haki is the power to make things happen and alter the physics in some way. Not that OP is hardcore heavy with physics anyway :P

Ero-Sanji
August 04, 2010, 02:09 AM
What are onigumo's feats? He is probably a beast given that he would seem to be a swordsman who can use 8 swords along with haki but I don't think he has shown actual feats.

Well first he was the one instructed to escort Ace. That's huge, imo. Then again the way he showed up behind Marco and handcuffed him. Oda could have picked anyone. So I'm guessing he has special plans for him.

kkck
August 04, 2010, 10:34 AM
Well first he was the one instructed to escort Ace. That's huge, imo. Then again the way he showed up behind Marco and handcuffed him. Oda could have picked anyone. So I'm guessing he has special plans for him.

I don't think him being there to scort ace counts as a feat.... Perhaps he did show decent speed to sneak up on marco though. Not sure I would consider those feats though, I mean, he technically scorted a man who had sea stone cuffs up his ass and marco did just receive two clean hits from kizaru. Not saying the guy is weak though (I do expect him to be someone capable measurable strength, someone who'd make a rookie look like fodder) just that he does not have feats...

Ero-Sanji
August 04, 2010, 10:55 AM
I don't think him being there to scort ace counts as a feat.... Perhaps he did show decent speed to sneak up on marco though. Not sure I would consider those feats though, I mean, he technically scorted a man who had sea stone cuffs up his ass and marco did just receive two clean hits from kizaru. Not saying the guy is weak though (I do expect him to be someone capable measurable strength, someone who'd make a rookie look like fodder) just that he does not have feats...

When you escort someone it's not the one you are escorting that's the danger it's the people who are after him. Out of all the people Onigumo was chosen to escort Ace, "the son" of the two greatest pirates. Once again that's huge. Onigumo the same person who escorted Ace led to the downfall of Marco and additionally jozu as well.

The next Admiral will be one of the five we saw up close during the war and out of those five Onigumo has done the most. He was also present at the Buster call were his actions strikingly resembled Akainus. Not that it matters but I think all of this are little hints for his promotion since I think Akainu will become fleet-Admiral.

Aikidoka
August 05, 2010, 02:30 AM
Sort of-kind of disappointed that the new Admiral wasn't revealed this week but I suppose something so important would've been resolved right off the bat.

I agree with Ero-Sanji, considering that the worst-case scenario would have the SHs catch up with them and WB or his allies intercepting them, Onigumo must've been trusted immensely to be given the job of handling something like that. Even so, I still think it'll be a new character entirely. Granted, Onigumo's reputation hasn't been outright stated to be formidable or not, so he'll still have a chance.

Also wanted to point out the way that
BB's crew fled upon seeing that Admiral Akainu had followed them to their island. This is BB, with WB's powers, and he fled when learning Akainu was after them. IMO BB has a chance against Akainu, but the name recognition was enough to dissuade him from picking a fight. That's what I think the biggest factor should be for the WG in picking a new Admiral -- a renowned, fearsome reputation that by itself would be enough to scare off most pirates, even the strong ones. Of course, power would also be a factor but the main one should be their reputation. In the chaotic post-War world the Marines can't afford to have too much on their plate, so having an Admiral with a feared reputation would at least take care of the minor problems, leaving them to only have to handle the few threats that aren't scared off.

vagabond87
August 05, 2010, 04:27 AM
I don't think him being there to scort ace counts as a feat....
He was pointed to be first or last line of defense of escorted Ace.. If somebody attacks he was just like three Admirals/Sengoku/Garp on Marineford plaza below/on platform. WB pirates could attack when Ace was escorted so they probably pointed one of the strongest to escort Rogers son.
This COUNT as feat.

Bowser
August 05, 2010, 07:58 AM
Someone mentioned Magellan - I think he would beast most VAs, but I'm not sure if he has Haki. He would do quite well though.

kkck
August 05, 2010, 09:19 AM
He was pointed to be first or last line of defense of escorted Ace.. If somebody attacks he was just like three Admirals/Sengoku/Garp on Marineford plaza below/on platform. WB pirates could attack when Ace was escorted so they probably pointed one of the strongest to escort Rogers son.
This COUNT as feat.

True, but attacking the battleship was as good as suicide though. There were over 10 battleships at ID at the time, along with every ID soldier, magellan (an opponent whose techniques kill anyone just the same regardless of strength) and the fact that ID is located in the calm belt. Fact is that rescuing ace was never much of an option..... not to mention ace was there for just a while. After that short period he was outside ID he was immediately taken to the tarai current where attack was surprisingly even harder. Had WB attacked all the WG would have had to do was close the gates of justice and leave WB and his crew to starve in the current as it really is impossible to escape it. Given the importance ace had to the war, it only made perfect sense for him to be escorted by someone extremely important but that in itself is not a feat for said person.

Zmsp
August 06, 2010, 10:39 AM
I don't think anyone will step up to the post, why is there a need for 3 admirals? I don't think we were told that it was an iron rule that every generation of marines follow, being an admiral requires an insane amount of strenght,and I don't think any V.A matches that criteria..
The current Admirals are experienced haki users, have mastery over their logias and have been V.As for what I suppose was a decent amount of time,granting them experience..they're the real deal, being a logia makes them invincible against around 80% of the pirates all over the world,being experienced logia users with apparently no natural flaws makes them invinvible against around 90% of the pirates, being haki users makes them a challenge against those elitist 10% of fighters with either Haki or a Logia fruit,and actually being good at it makes them virtually invincible,unless they fight against those 3 or 4 exceptions that exist,who are as strong as them, I'm talking about Marco, probably the other 3 Yonkous and Rayleight,they're the only living characters so far that I believe that stand a chance against those more than rare features of the current admirals. BB ran from Akainu,so that's the proof that even with the Darkness fruit,one can't stand a chance against an admiral without a certain Haki control.

Think about it, the 3 current admirals are rare exceptions,where the strongest features were all combined, unless one of the current V.As has a Haki control superior to any other fighter in the marines,I think we're stuck with 2 admirals for a long time, perhaps Smoker will eventually learn Haki in the New World, and then,only then,he'll also meet that almost impossible to reach criteria needed to be an admiral..

Rotten The Wizard
August 06, 2010, 07:37 PM
Honestly. The Only person among the marines we've seen so far suitable of the title of an Admiral is.......Magellan. He is SCARY and no doubt weilds the power.

Yes apparently He was nearly killed in ID but keep in mind that SHIRYUU who would know his weaknesses was against him, not to mention BB and ALL the escaped Prisoners and guys from Level 6.
Blackbeard would be dead in the first place had Shiryuu not backstabbed Magellan.
Not to mention He had already went 3 rounds with Luffy, 2 rounds against Iva and The Bombardment of Buggy's guys' cannons.

Putting it into perspective Magellan is a MONSTER Probably equal or close to Akainu in power.

How would he end up an Admiral? Magellan has a Bone to pick with BB and Luffy + all the escaped Prisoners. I wouldnt be surprised if he ASKS to be considered for the position.

If you can get over the fact that he's stationed to Guard ID then Magellan is the ONLY suitable force we've seen in the marines Thus far


Other than that i would like someone new to be introduced. Probably someone from G5 sounds like you would have to be a REAL bad ass to be stationed in the NW. A monster From G5

Zmsp
August 06, 2010, 08:23 PM
Magellan is most definetly not admiral material, at least until we have some more details on his fruit, we have no evidence at all that his poison can affect Logia users,and he clearly doesn't have a good control over his Haki, why do I believe so? He was never mentioned as a V.A, so we can't use the reference from last chapter,and he was easily thrown around when luffy had his wax gloves, I mean,he's got the strongest offensive fruit we've seen so far, one that may grant the opponents lots of chances of escaping,but one single hit means defeat, and he's as dangerous in direct contact fights, still, until we're proven that his venon can hurt a logia,wich I highly doubt, and since I believe Haki's out of question,he's surely not on an admiral rank.

I stand by my words and say there won't be a new admiral, nobody has the necessary elements to be even comparable to any of the admirals so far,and if there was a not introduced beast out there,why wouldn't he be called to a fight Sengoku said that could mean the end of the marines?

Magellan has the offensive,but being an admiral is so much more than that, they all have intangibility against non Haki users, Magellan doesn't,he got hitted pretty hard by luffy, in that case in particular,offensive meant death for luffy,but against a skilled ranged opponent,let's say ace,I highly doubt (unless poison's proven to hurt logias) that Magellan'd win,I mean,he's great in the offensive,far better than any current admiral if you take Haki out of the equation,but lacks both the defensive and the Haki control to be ranked an admiral.

To conclude, I'll reafirm my believes that there'll be no new admiral, at least until either Magellan or Smoker learns Haki, and if I may start a prediction while I'm here,smoker seems like the most obvious choice for a future admiral,he's a logia with apparently no natural flaws,he's now stationed in a harsh sector of the new world, probably meaning Haki in the future, and he's Luffy's natural rival in the marines,if you also take Coby out of the equation.

fcToho
August 07, 2010, 08:59 AM
I really hope Magellan becomes an admiral. Why? Because he can. :amuse

And because it would be a waste, if he stays in Impel Down and doesn't contribute to the story anymore.

Bowser
August 07, 2010, 07:44 PM
Got to admit he would probably get beasted by Akainu :S

Bugzee
August 07, 2010, 08:00 PM
Come to think of it...an admiral line up consisting of Akainu, Magellan and Aokiji would be pretty dope imo. Magma, Poison and Ice. Jeeez. Kizaru (the light \o/) as Fleet Admiral. :amuse

kkck
August 07, 2010, 08:20 PM
I doubt magellan would even be considered... he is not a marine. It'd be interesting if the marines import someone from some other military group under the WG. I always found it strange the RA did not join WB to fight the marines. Seriously, the RA wants to destroy the WG so why not join WB and get rid of the marines? Only thing that comes to mind is that the RA is dealing with someone else. We also know there is someone above sengoku, kong, who supposedly is in control of the entire military force of the WG. In that sense, perhaps the WG also has an army and whatnot. Could they perhaps bring in a higher up from there to fill in the missing spots?
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I also don't think magellan is quite there at the admiral level.... his ability is definitely sick and within the confines of ID it is borderline impossible to escape but what about outside of ID? Luffy showed he had the physical capacity and speed to match magellan. Magellan wasn't necessarily overwhelmed by speed or strength, he actually matched luffy to a great extent but would the level of speed he showed be worth a damn against strong pirates outside? Imagine a strong new world swordsman for instance. A single slash would be capable of cutting through magellan's poison and get to him. I think magellan an ability which would work for an admiral but in turn lacks the sheer physical capacity to be one.

Ero-Sanji
August 08, 2010, 01:06 AM
@kkck

I agree to the point that Magellan is not suitable as a marine Admiral but I think you're underestimating him a little bit. Imo he's incredibly durable, he took on several attacks from Luffy in gear second, he got shot by cannonballs coated in wax and Ivankov, while not defeating him made Magellan bleed. Still he kept on going like terminator. I'm even curios to see the other admirals endurance now. Akainu is physically strong but I can't, yet, say that about Kizaru and Aokiji.

Fox666
August 08, 2010, 01:13 AM
I doubt magellan would even be considered... he is not a marine. It'd be interesting if the marines import someone from some other military group under the WG. I always found it strange the RA did not join WB to fight the marines. Seriously, the RA wants to destroy the WG so why not join WB and get rid of the marines? Only thing that comes to mind is that the RA is dealing with someone else. We also know there is someone above sengoku, kong, who supposedly is in control of the entire military force of the WG. In that sense, perhaps the WG also has an army and whatnot. Could they perhaps bring in a higher up from there to fill in the missing spots?

I also don't think magellan is quite there at the admiral level.... his ability is definitely sick and within the confines of ID it is borderline impossible to escape but what about outside of ID? Luffy showed he had the physical capacity and speed to match magellan. Magellan wasn't necessarily overwhelmed by speed or strength, he actually matched luffy to a great extent but would the level of speed he showed be worth a damn against strong pirates outside? Imagine a strong new world swordsman for instance. A single slash would be capable of cutting through magellan's poison and get to him. I think magellan an ability which would work for an admiral but in turn lacks the sheer physical capacity to be one.Magellan is not an marine... whatelse to say? :tem

The WG has it's own army. The marines are not the RA enemies, the WG is. Attacking Marineford would only at maximum bring the fall of Marine Headquarters... so what? Pirates now don't have to worry about a island in the middle of the world and near the entrance of New World.

I agree to the point that Magellan is not suitable as a marine Admiral but I think you're underestimating him a little bit. Imo he's incredibly durable, he took on several attacks from Luffy in gear second, he got shot by cannonballs coated in wax and Ivankov, while not defeating him made Magellan bleed. Still he kept on going like terminator. I'm even curios to see the other admirals endurance now. Akainu is physically strong but I can't, yet, say that about Kizaru and Aokiji.There is a panel which Kizaru use his leg to stand Whitebeard's Kizaru in the ground. So he has super-human strength too.

vagabond87
August 08, 2010, 03:05 AM
There is a panel which Kizaru use his leg to stand Whitebeard's Kizaru in the ground. So he has super-human strength too.

I think that you are writing about scene where Kizaru is holding Whitebeards bisento on the ground with leg. Am I right?
And if you try in home with someone holding tip of something on the ground(with foot)- some wooden long stick- you will see that you dont need lot of strenght to keep it on the ground. Closer to the end of stick you holding your foot and its harder to uplift the stick.

kkck
August 08, 2010, 03:15 AM
@kkck

I agree to the point that Magellan is not suitable as a marine Admiral but I think you're underestimating him a little bit. Imo he's incredibly durable, he took on several attacks from Luffy in gear second, he got shot by cannonballs coated in wax and Ivankov, while not defeating him made Magellan bleed. Still he kept on going like terminator. I'm even curios to see the other admirals endurance now. Akainu is physically strong but I can't, yet, say that about Kizaru and Aokiji.

At this point, I don't think being able to resist luffy's gear 2 attacks make someone qualify as incredibly durable.... At least not in the scale of power which would be required for an admiral or to make it in the NW. For instance, we saw akainu getting quaked by WB and still the guy did not fall, he was perfectly able to continue fighting. Kizaru fought a number of WB commanders head on and given what we know all of them should be pretty capable of using haki. Aokiji was able to fight even above jozu and kizaru fought on par with raileight. Would magellan pull anything even vaguely similar in a similar situation? IMO a he would not be capable of going against the WB commanders nor taking a quake to the head and live to tell the tale.... That doesn't necessarily make magellan weak but it does show he is not up with the challenge here. The most he could get would be a double suicide but I doubt the WG is really in need of admirals who'd do that.
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Magellan is not an marine... whatelse to say? :tem

The WG has it's own army. The marines are not the RA enemies, the WG is. Attacking Marineford would only at maximum bring the fall of Marine Headquarters... so what? Pirates now don't have to worry about a island in the middle of the world and near the entrance of New World.

My point about the revolutionary army helping WB was not just the destruction of marineford. Had the RA joined WB they would have had a shot at destroying the marines, a more than severe blow to the military might of the WG. Not to mention the falling of marineford would have an important symbolic value given its meaning.

Ero-Sanji
August 08, 2010, 03:48 AM
At this point, I don't think being able to resist luffy's gear 2 attacks make someone qualify as incredibly durable.... At least not in the scale of power which would be required for an admiral or to make it in the NW. For instance, we saw akainu getting quaked by WB and still the guy did not fall, he was perfectly able to continue fighting. Kizaru fought a number of WB commanders head on and given what we know all of them should be pretty capable of using haki. Aokiji was able to fight even above jozu and kizaru fought on par with raileight. Would magellan pull anything even vaguely similar in a similar situation? IMO a he would not be capable of going against the WB commanders nor taking a quake to the head and live to tell the tale.... That doesn't necessarily make magellan weak but it does show he is not up with the challenge here. The most he could get would be a double suicide but I doubt the WG is really in need of admirals who'd do that.

I already pointed out that Akainu is a tough fella, the others however hasn't shown anything great, really. Aokiji wasn't better than Jozu and Kizaru fighting on par with Rayleigh is like saying that Croc fought on par with both Dofla and Mihawk.

WB commanders are not that far ahead of Croc, Jinbei and Ivankov. Magellan made the former two flee in terror while he defeated the latter. He did get a little injured but it wasn't fatal and it's mainly due to his fruit being a non-logia.

The current Admirals have a huge advantage in being Logia and also, Haki doesn't always work or it can be countered. Remember when WB (a person with King's Haki) impaled Aokiji? Well, then you should remember that it didn't work even though people near by said that WB used Haki.

So, the WB commander + Haki argument doesn't really say anything since we don't know how it works, yet.

Imo, Magellan is clearly Admiral material, no doubt. But he's more suitable to guard the prison. He proposed the idea of chasing the escapees but got rejected. He's not going anywhere.

For the next empty Admiral seat I would want someone fresh and quite unknown and a woman.

Lord Rayleigh
August 08, 2010, 04:05 AM
Magellan is clearly not Admiral level simply because he got beaten during the Impel Down incident. He was also on the verge of death so he was completely defeated after Luffy left the jail.

An Admiral is able to battle alone against several top fighters without too much problem, something Magellan was finally not able to do. Remember when Akainu faced the WB commanders and Crocodile on his own. Also all the Admirals were able to fight against Whitebeard himself. Magellan would only have ended up like John Giant if he had met Whitebeard.

Besides, Magellan very likely did lose against the Blackbeard Pirates, the same ones who were running from Akainu in the last chapter. Magellan is super strong but let him be what he is - the Chief Warden of Impel Down.

Wisshard
August 08, 2010, 04:41 AM
An Admiral is able to battle alone against several top fighters without too much problem, something Magellan was finally not able to do. Remember when Akainu faced the WB commanders and Crocodile on his own.

We saw Akainu exhange insults with the Whitebeard Commanders (+Crocodile) and then prepare to square of. But next we time we see them, Akainu is surrounded by marines and orders were given to half the marine force to go to his side. I think that scene has been blown out of it's proportions a little... (Though I certainly like how the scene portrays Akainu, cocky bastard aint he (similar to him showing up prepared to square of against the Blackbeard Pirates alone^))

That being said, I don't think Magellan is Admiral material just yet though he probably is stronger then the average Vice Admiral and Shichibukai ((what with him being confident that Shiliew (his equal) could handle the Blackbeard Pirates alone).

Ero-Sanji
August 08, 2010, 06:32 AM
Magellan is clearly not Admiral level simply because he got beaten during the Impel Down incident. He was also on the verge of death so he was completely defeated after Luffy left the jail.

Besides, Magellan very likely did lose against the Blackbeard Pirates, the same ones who were running from Akainu in the last chapter. Magellan is super strong but let him be what he is - the Chief Warden of Impel Down.

I think you forgot that he One hit KOed the Blackbeard pirates minutes before. If it hadn't been for Shiryuu or Shiliew(?) they all would have been dead.

The current Admirals are all Logia which Magellan isn't. If the Doku Doku no Mi had been a logia Magellan would have been a terrible enemy. Yes, I know that logia isn't everything, just look at Ace and Smoker. But the Admirals clearly has the best fruits. Kizaru gets an amazing speed and doesn't have a natural enemy, yet, one may assume that Darkness might be it. Akainu's fruit is very similar to Magellan's once you're hit you're out. The difference is that a simple hit can't hurt Akainu while a thrown rock will hurt Magellan the same way it would hurt Garp.

Bowser
August 08, 2010, 08:49 AM
Garp was offered a position of Admiral and he's not even a Logia. The current pattern is a Logia fruit user but that doesn't mean the pattern wouldn't be broken.


Akainu is physically strong but I can't, yet, say that about Kizaru and Aokiji.
Did you not see Aokiji jump about a couple hundred metres up just to freeze two massive waves caused by WB?

vagabond87
August 08, 2010, 12:46 PM
Admirals are equally strong. They are best marine fighters. In terms of pure strenght and fighting ability they are the same- some of people are saying that Aokiji is weakest because he wasnt able to overpower Ace but we must remember that Ace is his natural enemy. He is person that took down Diamond Jozu and its very impressive- third division commander was able to throw gigant iceberg at gigants squad and Aokiji won with that someone.

Fox666
August 08, 2010, 01:19 PM
That being said, I don't think Magellan is Admiral material just yet though he probably is stronger then the average Vice Admiral and Shichibukai ((what with him being confident that Shiliew (his equal) could handle the Blackbeard Pirates alone).I don't think he measured the strength of each foe around. He just needed someone to deal with Blackbeard, and Shiliew was the best he could find.

Aikidoka
August 08, 2010, 03:47 PM
Imo, Magellan is clearly Admiral material, no doubt. But he's more suitable to guard the prison. He proposed the idea of chasing the escapees but got rejected. He's not going anywhere.
Good point, I completely forgot about that.

IMO Magellan is (power-wise) suited to be an Admiral, but whether he's strong enough for the job or not it doesn't matter if the WG/Marines don't let him leave ID.

Another thing, Admirals can't just be powerful fighters, they also have to be able to lead. Yeah, the current Admirals don't seem to be good leaders (lazy, senile, angry), but they had to have some knowledge of commanding fleets of battleships and stuff since being an Admiral sometimes entails that. Magellan has none of that knowledge as far as we know (he was in ID since at least 20 years ago), so putting someone who's done Warden duties his entire career out on the sea would be a bit of a bad idea, no matter how strong he is.

Poisok2
August 08, 2010, 04:13 PM
I think Magellan would make a fine Admiral, but he doesn't belong to the Marine to start with... He is a prison guard. So, I don't think its possible.

Fox666
August 08, 2010, 11:56 PM
Hmm, there was a door which the Blogori used to go directly to the sea... It is a possibility to have a large one in level 6 which was used for Sanjuan...

Yeah, the current Admirals don't seem to be good leaders (lazy, senile, angry)lol

Zmsp
August 12, 2010, 12:07 PM
Magellan's not going anywhere, he's the chief warden of ID and his ability suits that perfectly, his fruit is great, but not close enough to perfect to be an admiral, I mean, inside those small halls his Hydra would be perfect to keep things in order,cause there's no real escape, and that's that, he's a high level fighter,probably stronger than a few V.A, but he'd most surely die against Momonga,for instance.

You're dissecting his ability has a great thing overall,but let's face it, he just gets hitted around to much to be an Admiral, luffy's ability in general isn't great,he fights with his fists, if a guy with a similar speed to luffy, but with a more concluding offensive, like a sword, faced Magellan,he'd loose, c'mon,how's this even arguable? if luffy used a sword,he'd kill magellan, each ability's good against a few,and luffy and Ivankov weren't good matches against Magellan,that doesn't mean he's as strong as a R.A leader or even a 300 million rookie,it just depends on the ability he faces, a ranged enemy with decent speed would trash Magellan, and the thing about admirals is that they don't let a battle's fate rest on the abilities of the opponent, they're beasts against every fighter, Magellan isn't versitle enough to be an admiral,and that's a fact,the bars set on a insanely high level,and magellan doesn't meet that criteria not even one bit.

Schabrak
August 12, 2010, 01:05 PM
I call that bulls**t. Your assumption could be taken on every non logia fighter. Somebody with enough speed and enough damage output, may it be blunt or piercing, enough of both to win, would simply win. That's not a theory that's a simple fact. All you say is, that he just needs a good match-up, but so does every strong fighter to lose.

We saw Momonga fight in two or three panels and you already make him an uber fighter, needed nerfing. Mr.1 is fast too, can create swords all over his body and still, Magellan would own him badly. He is versatile, with great offense and defense, is good in ranged attacks as with directs ones and his ultimate weapon seems unstoppable. His gauntlets would let him defend against swords/etc. .Don't forget, we don't know how he lost to Blackbeard and his crew.

Zmsp
August 12, 2010, 04:09 PM
I'm not making blind assumptions, saying it's bulls*** and then saying that what I've said can be used against every non logia user is supposed to make what I said any less true? Tell me of a dude who's defeated someone faster and with more damage output than himself and then I'll tell you that it's true,I'm being simplistic!

Instead of going all that way to say I've said momonga is the coolest thing since sliced bread,just put a blade in luffy's hand,some control over it,and make him fight Magellan again, can you honestly say that Magellan'd win forsure? The sword would just raise luffy's damage output,going from seriously hurtful,to deadly! But it's just not luffy's kind of style, I know that if every character did the same thing,just add a pierce weapon to their arsenal,the story'd be dull,but guess what? there's swordsman who've been introduced, so that does exist, there are characters with a weapon that can kill when pierced by it, so that makes my theory plausible about Magellan not being suited for an admiral!

Now do the exact same thing that I told you to do with luffy and get him to face an admiral,by pure facts alone,could he defeat anyone of them? no he couldn't! add Haki to the equation,could he? No,he couldn't, all the admirals got haki,they can prefict ones movements to some point, hell! Aokiji got pierced by WBs bisento,and I think it's safe to assume WB's gotta be one of the best haki users around and he didn't get hurt,put magellan in his place,would Magellan be around standing?

Like it or not,it's true, simplistic logic or not,it IS true, Magellan does not have enough defensive versitality to be an admiral, and I used the Momonga reference because he apparently knows that same technique Lucci used (not sure of the name,so I won't try to spell it), so that does make him at least equal in speed to luffy, now instead of brute force,he uses a sword, replace luffy's fight at ID against magellan with a fight beetwen Momonga and Magellan,and let's not forget Momonga does know haki,so better perception of the opponents attacks, replace any attack luffy used on Magellan for a sword's pierce,can you honestly say Magellan'd be alive? no,you can't, can you honestly say momonga would be alive? you really can't. Now do the exact same thing with Momonga against any of the current admirals, can you say that Momonga would leave that place alive? he probably wouldn't,would any of the admirals? they probably would.

Get my point? Magellan's not on the admiral level,not by a long shot..

Schabrak
August 12, 2010, 05:27 PM
I wont write much, but I will not accept some beefed-up theory nor talk any further about someone we have barely seen. The Shanks vs Mihawk "fight"g is probably enough for all of my life. We have near to no info about him, nor have we seen him fight much against somebody, only once against Luffy, who was a lot weaker at the moment.

Keep in mind, I know he is extremely strong, he must be in the rank of a VA, has a lot of knowledge, can use haki, is a sword user, but that's it.

Give luffy a pircing weapon and I will stop reading the manga. :) Who wants to see a bloody Gomu-no-nail-kalaschnikov or Gomu-no-saw? Both of those attacks would simply kill enemies not fast enough. That thought is kida disturbing.

In before: I don't want Magellan to change his profession.
Can Momonga kill people without moving like Magellan does? No. Can he use a shield, that will simply kill on touch, nearly everybody in the OP world? No. Do we know if Magellan is capable of using haki? No. Does Magellan have to be fast for "his" fighting style? No, he doesn't, going against him is like commiting suicide, no it actually is. Only hormones and antidots kept those alive.

You can keep arguing with non provable arguments, it's open to you, but stating your fantasy fight as fact is a no-go for me. And damn, in the end, I still wrote that much.-_-

Zmsp
August 12, 2010, 06:01 PM
Seing that I signed up on the forum to have some discussions about the manga I do insist you reply back if you don't agree,but we'll probably both keep our opinions and drag this forever,only the non related to the discussion could say wich theory they support more,and even those could not be imparcial,so there's no real end to this..but since you said I just gave some fantasy like arguments to support my belief that Magellan's not even near the admiral level, I have to reply..

Dude, Momonga was nothing but an example,I thought of him as a close enough example of luffy,but using a sword instead of his bare fists to make my point,and I think I did, luffy having a sword is just one of the numerous examples I could come up with to show how Magellan's power isn't comparable to the admirals, the fact is, in the fight with luffy, Magellan prooved he's not admiral material, he showed great offensive diversity and his attacks are indeed lethal, but an admiral's the strongest military force on a huge organization who's job is to face thousands of pirates everyday, and a guy who's got a great offensive,but not enough deffensive variety to avoid getting hit by an opponent that has some speed isn't admiral material. Period. Magellan's strong, stronger than most of the characters we've seen so far,could he stand his ground against WB like all the three admirals did? He couldn't. Do we know any marine that is comparable to any of those 3? We don't. We're stuck with these 3 admirals for now, deal with it folks.

Is that non-fantasy enough for ya? if it isn't,I give up

Fox666
August 12, 2010, 09:51 PM
Momonga and Dalmatian Vice-Admiral fought togheder with Luffy. Luffy was already in a heavy injured state, without Gear 2, yet he could "fight" them, even if it was not enough to win.

Well, I agree, Magellan has low defenses, unless someone use his bare hands to fight.

zerocooldx
August 13, 2010, 12:46 AM
Whomever the next Admiral is, if one of the current ones truly does take up the title of Fleet Admiral, its going to have to be a character we really haven't seen before. And the reason i say that is because the strongest, strength wise, candidate for get promoted to Admiral right now is probably Magellan. I think when it comes down to it he is most likely stronger then any of the Vice Admirals, even if its only by a hair. Yet compared to the current Admirals, Magellan isn't even in their league in terms of power. If Aokiji, Kizaru, and Akainu were at ID instead of Magellan i don't think that any of those prisoners would have escaped, let alone nearly end up killing one of them.

We really haven't seen any of the Admirals overexert themselves, yet they seem to have no trouble at all in taking care of business. And having two Admirals who are head and shoulders stronger then the third would be very weird, and unbalanced. So the new Admiral or even Fleet Admiral, depending on the promotions, could end up being a brand new figure to the story. So it's not too far-fetched to think a new character or even characters could be introduced. Especially since Kong was just introduced, and it's safe to say that he is probably a power house of a individual. Meaning that there could be others like him that Oda has kept hidden from us and plans to reveal when the time is right.

fcToho
August 13, 2010, 03:08 AM
But don't forget that Kong was already introduced in Chapter 0. And he had/has a higher rank, than any other marine from the beginning.

DRAGONKAMI
August 16, 2010, 10:31 AM
How about Rayleigh ? Is power and his influence is enough to be one ! For some reason, he could become one ! With Oda, everything is possible !!!

Schabrak
August 16, 2010, 10:56 AM
How about Rayleigh ? Is power and his influence is enough to be one ! For some reason, he could become one ! With Oda, everything is possible !!!
Seen to much Twilight Zone? :D

Roger pirates are probably to executed a sight, if informations can't be extracted. Rayleigh himself is probably the second most dangerous person alive, as he has knowledge about the void century. He also mentioned, that he couldn't keep up with Kizaru in a long lasting fight, so no admiral material anymore.

elitefox
August 16, 2010, 08:56 PM
Seen to much Twilight Zone? :D

Roger pirates are probably to executed a sight, if informations can't be extracted. Rayleigh himself is probably the second most dangerous person alive, as he has knowledge about the void century. He also mentioned, that he couldn't keep up with Kizaru in a long lasting fight, so no admiral material anymore.

On my understanding is... Rayleigh can no longer fight and save luffy's crew at the same time. but if it is one on one... rayleigh could win but he is just on a defense on that time.

vagabond87
August 28, 2010, 09:02 AM
So we will probably see Admiral in one first of chapters after time skip... I still bet for Doberman or Onigumo(most likely first one). many peaople are saying that Admirals should stay logia but or it will be someone completly new, who we didnt saw earlier in the story- dont think so..
Sengoku and Garp are good examples of non-logia Admiral class fighters.
Fight with Lucci is my favourite to this day so I wont mind Zoan user as Admiral.
We saw logia and paramecia(probably Sengoku is one) Admiral fighters and Garp who most probably isnt Df user.. Now is Zoan Admiral time:3c

happy GIN smily
August 28, 2010, 10:19 AM
why should there be a new Amiral?
if one of the Admirals is promoted to Fleet Admiral then there would be an empty seat. but it does not need to be filled if there is no qualified candidate for it.
it is also possible that none of the three Admirals will become Fleetadmiral. it could be a totally different person.

Lord Rayleigh
August 28, 2010, 10:49 AM
You're right, we don't know if there has to be 3 Admirals. They could be less, more, in function of the power and strenght of the higher Marine officers. Yet, I think the next Fleet Admiral has to be a former Admiral.

tret16
August 28, 2010, 11:57 AM
you know, i think that smoker mainly wanted to go to the new world was so that he could go after luffy but i also think that he went there to get stronger... i think that he will be the next admiral since two years is a long time to be in the new world and he's gunna get hella stronger...

Uriel
August 28, 2010, 01:16 PM
Maybe the old Fleet Admiral (The PanFleet Admiral) takes charge of the marines for a while.

vagabond87
August 29, 2010, 11:01 AM
Wont happen.. If Vice president is dead or cant work on that chair anymore they dont put President in his place;)

Finale
August 29, 2010, 05:09 PM
How about someone from the Marine base in the NW? G-5 I think it was. Since the base there hasnt been completely wiped out it has to have some very powerful Marines there.

Cyber34
August 29, 2010, 11:03 PM
I would expect Smoker to reach the title of Admiral, but he has no other power except his devil fruit and regular body strength. His fruit does not give him the destructive power comparable to any of the current admirals. It will probably be someone we have never seen before that did not participate in the war but served in the New World at G5.

tret16
August 29, 2010, 11:25 PM
my choices would halft either smoker or someone we haven't seen before from the new world... it's the only thing that makes sense and untill it's actually shown there just isn't any reaso nto discuss it further since it's all goin to be pointless guessing till they show it...

kkck
August 29, 2010, 11:35 PM
Supposedly admirals are the highest ranking officers in the navi after the admirals. They are a force that has shown be feared by powerful NW pirates and iva made it clear their power was not to be taken lightly(when he asked luffy whether he had any idea of the power of the VAs). In that sense, if someone is to be promoted to admirals, it'd make the most sense if that someone is a VA. That said, it is possible there still are other very powerful marines out there we haven't seen. It would make sense if not every strong marine around was at the marineford war, strong marines should have remained in the NW considering how strong pirates there are and battleships and numbers are not necessarily enough to hold your ground there.

El-Thor
August 29, 2010, 11:39 PM
There's no way Smoker will be a fleet admiral. He himself expressed zero interest in attaining higher ranks and it won't change.

I think the next admiral will be someone we haven't met before. Although, it would be damn awesome if Garp takes the position :p MWAHAHAHAH

kkck
August 29, 2010, 11:48 PM
Actually, smoker has shown a lot of interest in attaining a higher rank. I don't recall the exact chapter but he made it clear he needed a higher rank to do what he wanted to do.

tret16
August 29, 2010, 11:55 PM
ya and i think in these 2 years, he's gunna have enough strength from being in the New World that he will be strong enough to be an admiral. and Garp won't be getting an admiral or any other position for that matter since your forgetting the fact that he has already once declined that offer and also he just recently resigned from his current position so that he can train younger and newer marines which just recently stated in the latest chapters... i forget which one exactly...

kkck
August 30, 2010, 12:30 AM
I don't think smoker will develop enough strength to become an admiral within the next two years. Smoker only seems stronger than luffy because he is a logia but in reality I don't think the two of them are that different skillwise. IMO smoker is as much as cannon fodder in the grand scheme of things as luffy is and even a 2 year timeskip would work to put them just above the cannon fodder or rookie level. IMO smoker as he is now would not even cut it to be a weak VA nor he would attain that level within the next couple of years.

sharingan_kakashi
August 30, 2010, 12:43 AM
id like smoker to be the next fleet admiral but i doubt it.

the current 3 admirals are:
Blue Pheasant
Red Dog &
Yellow Monkey
Im guessing the next one would have a name similar to these 3, ei. Green Turtle or Coby.

El-Thor
August 30, 2010, 12:48 AM
Actually, smoker has shown a lot of interest in attaining a higher rank. I don't recall the exact chapter but he made it clear he needed a higher rank to do what he wanted to do.

He actually said he just needs to be high enough (great big pun intended) to be able to chase after Straw Hat freely.

Why would Coby be a green turtle? If anything he's a pink something, cuz of his hair

Bugzee
August 31, 2010, 10:09 AM
I wouldn't rule out Smoker completely. The dude would have a fair chance of progressing futher if he gets to grips with haki and achieves a lot of success (+ respect) as a VA...but that won't happen for a while...if ever. :p

It would be interesting to see if a future warlord becomes an admiral...I doubt it would ever happen but it's just a thought. No bashing. :notrust

jjzortsac
September 01, 2010, 06:45 AM
if aokiji really becomes the fleet admiral,

who would you like/who do you think

to/will fill in his vacant (admiral) position?

jm
September 01, 2010, 07:11 AM
the thing is even if it is the fleet admiral made recommendation he might not become the fleet admiral.

in the two years i might be someone we don't know at all.

Schabrak
September 01, 2010, 07:42 AM
We already got that topic covered: [Marines] Who will be next Admiral? (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2055272#post2055272)

SBFTW^^

kkck
September 01, 2010, 08:20 AM
I wouldn't rule out Smoker completely. The dude would have a fair chance of progressing futher if he gets to grips with haki and achieves a lot of success (+ respect) as a VA...but that won't happen for a while...if ever. :p

It would be interesting to see if a future warlord becomes an admiral...I doubt it would ever happen but it's just a thought. No bashing. :notrust

IMO smoker is at least half a decade too young to become even a VA.... Given what we have seen, VA and admirals are veteran marines who have a great deal of power. Smoker is neither of those in the grand scheme of things. To be honest, his greatest merit is that average grand line pirates can't hurt him for the most part but I doubt that would be the case in the NW. Smoker, as luffy, is still but a rookie in his own way.

deprince69
September 01, 2010, 01:02 PM
why is everyone assuming that in order to be an admiral you have to have logia type? both sen-goku or garp have don't logia type and they were both asked to become admirals...its just a coincidence that all three of em right now are logia type.

Schabrak
September 01, 2010, 02:02 PM
Please put that "everyone" out of your post, you don't want to be called a smartypants. People saying that it would be more likely an logia type, mentioned that it would be better for the triarchy and if you would have read more than a couple of posts, you would see, that a big part of the discussion revolved around people like Doberman or other VA, clearly not being logia df users.

Smoker with his will to chase Luffy as free as possible, isn't a canditate for admiral anyway. There's a clear parallel to Garp.

tret16
September 01, 2010, 07:17 PM
ya i didn't pick smoker because he was a logia type, i chose him because oda chose to show him right before the time skip and asking to go to the NW. Why would he do that just to let everyone see that he failed... i think he's goin to make it pretty good, the fact that he's goin to fight alot of enemies that are stronger then him and he will come out on top just barely.

chess4
September 02, 2010, 05:52 AM
there are only a few logia users in the one piece world. smoker is not yet ready to be an admiral. the other logia users are croc, Blackbeard, and enel. they are not marines either way. the flame fruit is the only logia still left out there. maybe one of the marines eats it.

Lord Rayleigh
September 02, 2010, 06:42 AM
The more I think about it, the more I'd like that possible new Admiral to be a Logia, simply because it makes them be badass. I also want this badass character to have been fighting all his time in New World because I want an amazing introduction for the New Admiral, and I don't think it would be possible with an already (not epic) introduced Vice Admiral. So let's vote for a Meteor Logia (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1895759&postcount=298) from the G-5 Marine Base !

chess4
September 02, 2010, 06:51 AM
The more I think about it, the more I'd like that possible new Admiral to be a Logia, simply because it makes them be the greatest power of the Marine with their other fighting abilities. So let's vote for a Meteor Logia (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1895759&postcount=298) from the G-5 Marine Base ! A badass character who was fighting all the time in New World. I want an amazing introduction of a new character and not simply the promotion of an already (not epic) introduced Vice Admiral.

isn't that about the same as red dog..................

i think bogart(garps 2nd in command) is going to become the next admiral.

he has been under possibly the strongeat marine guidances and im sure he gave him the same training as he did luffy, ace, coby, and helmelppo.

Lord Rayleigh
September 02, 2010, 06:15 PM
isn't that about the same as red dog..................
Well, meteors flying into space aren't really like magma, just like sand isn't.

El-Thor
September 02, 2010, 06:22 PM
Is Bogart the swordsman? It would definitely be cool if he became and Admiral. Then Zoro could whoop his ass :D

But I have to agree with Lord Rayleigh. The new admiral will probably be a logia and a marine from the NW. Someone young in my opinion. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Akinau retires in two years and decides to hunt for Luffy.

RezzieThaRapper
September 02, 2010, 07:24 PM
I've had a theory that was relative to this thread...

What if the New World has an entire different set of Admirals...

If this was the case then their may not need to be a G5 Marine assigned back into the grandline... If it was the case we could safely assume one of the Vice Admirals in the grandline already would get the position...

If an VA we have already seen is to replace Aokoji then I would say OniGumo or The Guy who is always smiling...

Schabrak
September 02, 2010, 07:42 PM
Why wouldn't the Navy summon admirals from the NW, to take on the strongest man of the NW/whole world? Oo -> There are no other admirals beside those three. But I could very well see a couple of VA staying in the NW/G5 to defend the base in case pirates tried to attack them, when the whole world had their attention on the HQ.

Poneglyph420
September 02, 2010, 08:02 PM
Well if one of the 3 current Admirals is to be promoted or somehow otherwise change positions, that's a big change. And the end of the Momotaro connection. For those of you scratching your heads google Momotaro and you will see what Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru have to do with Momotaro..

So why if an Admiral is promoted to Fleet Admiral, does another Marine need to replace him? I don't think that 3 Admirals is a "set in stone" regulation or anything.
So I'd guess if anything is to change it would be within the Commodore, Rear Admiral, Vice Admiral ranks..

I'd like to see Smoker rise within the ranks.. but maybe Commodore or Rear Admiral at best...

So yeah I don't think there will be a new Admiral anytime soon... IMO.

RezzieThaRapper
September 02, 2010, 08:02 PM
There could be numerous reasons as to why they might have not been able to come... If every single marine had left there post all over the world... every single strong warrior on the side of the goverment in one place... That would make every place except marineford a target all around the world...

Dragon, Big Mom, Numerous other big named pirates and revolutionaries attacking what they could in a theoretically unguarded area... Small pirates would make big moves... The New World was already hostile... they can't send every single defense they had there... there being Marineford

It's like playing Chess, you move the bishops and knights to protect the king, while your doing that, your queen could get jumped...

Schabrak
September 02, 2010, 08:15 PM
I have to disappoint you, but there are only three (http://www.mangareader.net/103-2426-4/one-piece/chapter-319.html) admirals.[Fans shouldn't forget importent facts. :/] And it was definitly worth it for the Marines to risk losses around the world, if they were able to take out rougly 20% of the strongest pirate forces. It would tilt the balance massively to their side.

You will have a lot less casualities if you fight with 100 again 10 men, instead of 50 against 10. In the end, the horde tactic is the better one, if there aren't many combat tactics avaible.

Franckie
September 03, 2010, 08:24 PM
There probably won't be any new Admirals until the end of the series (think epilogue here). The only person who is close to Admiral-tier right now is Magellan, as far as we know.

zerocooldx
September 03, 2010, 10:30 PM
From a purely artistic, symbolic, and DF standpoint i don't see any of the Admirals being promoted to Fleet Admiral and leaving the group. The Admirals are drawn so alike that there is no one in the manga right now that could fit in into that group. They just have that one of a kind look to them. Even their names and the symbolism behind them and their personalities/actions fit together really well. And then of course they are all Logia DF users as well, which isn't that big of a deal really. But as a group they just have so many things that make the three of them different and unique for the rest of a characters in the manga.

I suppose Oda could just draw another character to resemble the current Admirals and then give that character a symbolic name to represent that characters personality and etc. And Oda could also give that character a Logia type DF ability as well. And i know that there are no DF requirements to be an Admiral or anything silly like that. But the current Admirals just fit in together way too nicely and appropriately in order for some other character to just be substituted in for any one of them. If a new character does indeed replace one of the current Admirals, i have a feeling that he or she will be tailor made to fit in with the remaining two.

kkck
September 03, 2010, 10:57 PM
I don't think magellan is at the admiral level. His physical capacities don't seem as absurd as they should be and he is devoid of haki. The prison allowed him to keep everyone cornered hence he had a great advantage but I could see him being defeated by top tier characters outside of it. Enough speed, long range abilities and good enough armor haki could very well attack magellan (I'd think armor haki could help to attack magellan without actually touching him and color haki would help to avoid attacks). I also get the impression magellan lacks the sheer firepower to be an admiral. Lets compare what kizaru, akainu and aokiji did in battle.
http://www.cloudmanga.com/One_Piece/553/#4-5
http://www.cloudmanga.com/One_Piece/554/#8-9
http://www.cloudmanga.com/One_Piece/507/#16

Does magellan really match up to an admiral? Even if he was a marine (which he is most definitely not) he outright does not match up against the admirals. The scale of his attacks is far inferior and lacks the firepower. I don't see how he could even survive an attack from the admirals. I have my doubts about how he'd fair against the VAs too. VA's have haki, rokushiki, insane speed, basically there is a reason they are feared and only admirals stand above them and that is that they are stupidly strong. Magellan has an outright sick ability but I don't think he is quite there with the admirals.

Schabrak
September 04, 2010, 03:51 AM
The problem is: Kong wont promote a "simple" vice-admiral to Fleet Admiral status, as people can say what they want, but strength is definitely one hell of a important factor for being promoted in the One Piece world. Who else, but those three had the charisma and strength to represent the whole Marine force and give them the moral they need?

kkck: Whom do expect to fill the hole? Nobody but people in higher rank are stronger than those three, and probably nobody will be in the next couple of years, as those vice-admirals don't seem to have what it takes to create high-tier AoE attacks you imagine a admiral must have in their repertoire. Still a lot of them are excelent fighters, with or without DF powers. Top in hand-to-hand combat and swordfighting.

You have to consider that those three attacks do instant damage, while Magellan is mostly using DoTs, though those kill nearly instantly too if he aims to be.

kkck
September 04, 2010, 10:15 AM
I don't actually expect anyone but one of the admirals to fill the surpreme admiral hole. With my last post I was mostly referring to the gap left among the admirals. That said, logically it is one of the VAs that have to fill the gap considering they are the highest ranked marines after the admirals. Perhaps a few VAs were left in the NW for obvious reasons and one of them will fill the gap.

Lord Rayleigh
September 05, 2010, 05:07 AM
I have to disappoint you, but there are only three (http://www.mangareader.net/103-2426-4/one-piece/chapter-319.html) admirals.[Fans shouldn't forget importent facts. :/]
Robin did not say that in the entire history of the navy there has always been 3 Admirals. She said that in the [current] entire navy army, there are [currently] only 3 people with the rank of Admirals - and she gave their name.

Schabrak
September 05, 2010, 09:35 AM
How does that conflict with my statement, that right "now", there are only 3 people with the rank of admiral/supreme admiral in the World Governments Navy forces. I don't recall mentioning that there's a need to fill that position with three people, nor that there weren't more or less in the past.

Kaiser Will
September 06, 2010, 08:56 PM
I've been thinking a lot about that. And I think that Kizaru should be the new Fleet Admiral.

Akainu is all good, but he is kinda crazy. I mean he don't give a crap about the marines, as an institution, he just like to kill the bad guys, he just stricly follow the absolute justice code.
Like in the war, he almost kill Coby for runing away and several others marines that were afraid of WB and his crew. Also he doesn't have the good qualities that Sengoku had. Like, admiting that Shanks take WB and Ace body to properly make a funeral and etc.

Aokiji is too lazy. He got a recomendation from Sengoku, but I think that he is too carefree to some serious actions when needed. For me he just leave things there and leave to take a ride in his bicycle. I'm not saying this all the times. But he don't pass that image of confidence.

And my choice would be Kizaru. For me he is like the balance between what's good and bad in Akainu and Aokiji. He have some temper, even thought some times he over did it. He seems care about the Marines. And he have a killer DF.

kkck
September 07, 2010, 07:33 AM
I actually got the impression sengoku was right about his recommendation. As you mentioned, akainu is insane. The guy would kill a marine for being scared for crying out loud. He doesn't know where to stop so he doesn't quite have the qualities of a leader. That said, kizaru is not all that good either. His attitude is altogether way too laid back and he seems to have trouble reading situations and holding back (such as when he destroyed the archipelago tree thing). Aokiji has a sort of laid back attitude but overall that seems mostly like a front. He was the one to set up the events at water 7 and when the situation comes to it he can act extremely fast and efficiently. He was the one to stop WB's tsunami(which allowed the marines to trick WB's allies into believing they had been betrayed), he fought WB head on and did not receive much damage and to boot he took out jozu (someone who the gorosei apparently believe has a chance of stopping BB) without taking significant damage. Basically, among the admirals aokiji has displayed the most fighting power (at least IMO) and has a very tactical mindset (more so than either kizaru or akainu) even if he appears to have a lazy attitude.

Kaiser Will
September 07, 2010, 09:48 AM
Actually, you are right, I agree with you in certain points. Aokiji really is reliable when time comes to it.
But Kizaru is not that bad either. But you are right about the things you pointed out, he can't hold back, don't know how to read the situation and sometimes he is laid back too.
Yeah Aokiji may be a good candidate for the job. But only if he take it seriously.

kebuenowilly
September 12, 2010, 11:31 PM
mmm, I strongly believe that Akainu is gonna be the next fleet admiral. Yup he is insane and cruel, and does not tolerate weakness. So that's the point! He will turn the marines into a dictatorial military force. That's what the Gorousei think they need, in the unstable times that are coming (The loss of one Younkou, the rising of BB, the Revolutionist, etc).
So that will allow Oda to create much more plot development. Oda has never portrayed any faction the as the good side. The function of the marines is to mantain under control their part of the world. Nobody better than Akainu to mantain control by any means.
Also, Luffy's revenge of Ace dead will be much more epic with Akainu as Fleet Admiral.

Question: Will the next Fleet Admiral, whoever it is, wear that gull hat?

kkck
September 13, 2010, 12:16 AM
The marines already have plenty of cruelty and insanity within them though. Sengoku was not exactly a saint and aokiji was reasonably ruthless at the ohara anhilation (even if akainu was indeed willing to sacrifice innocent civilians just in case a scholar actually escaped).

Freid
September 13, 2010, 12:38 PM
Well yh aokiji is best suited for admiral, but i think akainu is still going to become fleet admiral just to compliment the current state of the Op world. Its in chaos, and just to put the icing on the cake, you then get the 'insane, cruel, and does not tolerate weakness' kinda admiral dictating everything. The world government is probably going to respond to the current state of the world by putting someone like akainu in charge. Like the saying, the government are probably intending to 'fight fire with fire'. Sengokus recommendations for aokiji are probably going to be ignored. Remember the governments response to the current events already to not let the world know about the level 6 escapees already differs to sengokus. Like i said, this might not be the best decision, and aokiji may still be the better option, but the government right now are thinking of what is best for themselves by already hiding the news of the level 6 escapees simply because they dont want to lose the trust of the people. Like x drake said, 'the marines also... must change'. This would also make the marines more of a dark organisation which would reinforce the reason why the revolutionaries want to overthrow them and would also be a good way to set up the likely war between the strawhats and the marine government.

Trafalgarlawl
September 16, 2010, 05:09 PM
In terms of which of the introduced characters seems the most appropriate to be the next admiral, I'd have to say Magellan.

1. His powers most closely resemble a Logia's (although they aren't)

2. He's faced Luffy/other characters, and like every other time Luffy met up with an admiral, he was destroyed by him.

3. he would have a reason to leave Impel Down (recapturing the prisoners/personal revenge/honor)

4. This is the best and most logical way to keep Magellan, an awesome character, part of the storyline.

5. I think he's powerful enough :amuse

El-Thor
September 16, 2010, 08:17 PM
Magellan for Admiral? I can dig that. The guy definitely has enough sense of justice to carry out w/e the higher ups tell him to do. The points Law made are also really good and just add to the cause. There's just two things I don't dig about him becoming Admiral.

1) Hannibal isn't strong enough, imo, to handle the more dangerous prisoners in ID. He doesn't make the prisoners pee their pants as much as Magellan does :D

2) Magellan will need to learn Haki if he is to be an admirable Admiral. This one is a given.

kkck
September 16, 2010, 08:35 PM
I stand by my belief that magellan does not have the caliber to be an admiral. His ability had the quality of being the kind that works the same on anyone regardless of strength(its quite clear poison, unlike physical injuries to a degree, cannot be simply tanked since if you get poisoned your body falls appart) but that does not mean he is strong enough to be an admiral. He seems to lack haki, his physical capacity does not seem that superior to that of gear 2 luffy, which shows how slow he is and evidently has little going for him without his ability. Admirals have the sheer physical capacities to keep up with the likes of marco, WB or vista, I doubt magellan would be considered for the position if he indeed was a marine. Quite frankly, in a not so confined space I could the top tier characters(such as shichibukai, admirals, VAs, and so on) dealing with him before he could even release poison.

Skyrius
September 16, 2010, 08:58 PM
For the record, since the argument came up before, since there's no proof that there's always been 3 admirals in the past (so there could have been more), that means it's possible that there doesn't have to be 3.

In other words, I suppose it's possible that, whoever gets promoted to Fleet Admiral later, there will simply be 2 admirals left. Not likely, but Oda doesn't have to fill the gap, since there's never been some rule saying "there must be 3 admirals at all time".

Trafalgarlawl
September 16, 2010, 11:33 PM
2) Magellan will need to learn Haki if he is to be an admirable Admiral. This one is a given.

good point, and a fundamental flaw with my logic :darn BUT no where has it been stated that Magellan might also not have Haki...
(but ya, Hannyabal might not have what it takes to replace him :p)

As for him taking on other strong characters, I think he obviously lacks the strong defense of a logia-type user. But his attacks are still absolutely devastating, and Venom Demon is insane :blink


since there's never been some rule saying "there must be 3 admirals at all time".

you're right, there hasn't been :) but it's fun to hypothetically fill the slot, and it's a good time waster before the chapter finally comes out... :darn

vongola_x
September 17, 2010, 01:03 AM
If Aokiji is promoted to Fleet Admiral, I get the feeling that his replacement will be someone that we haven't seen yet. Magellan is much too undependable to take the job (due to his... erm... sanitary problems) in my opinion, and Smoker isn't strong enough to receive such a promotion.

Perhaps a Vice-Admiral from the New World? Someone who's been battling it out with the Yonkou?

kkck
September 17, 2010, 01:42 AM
It'd be interesting if an officer from the G-5 division is made admiral. It'd open up positions for smoker to be promoted. EVen though I think smoker is far from having the caliber of even a VA (he'd be fodder to them for the most part IMO) he perhaps has the caliber to be a rear admiral (position which is apparently directly underneath that of the VAs given what we know). Drake should be of roughly luffy's caliber yet he held the position so smoker perhaps can have a seat there. Considering they would be directly beneath the VAs though, it is extremely possible smoker would be among the lesser members of the rear admirals if he does get the position though.

Sannom
September 19, 2010, 11:57 AM
In terms of which of the introduced characters seems the most appropriate to be the next admiral, I'd have to say Magellan.

I agree with Magellan in terms of power and dedication, but there is one problem for me : his priority would be to capture the inmates that escaped his prison, and an Admiral doesn't seem free enough of his movements for that.



1) Hannibal isn't strong enough, imo, to handle the more dangerous prisoners in ID. He doesn't make the prisoners pee their pants as much as Magellan does :D


That problem kinda resolved itself : all the inmates in Impel Down are either dead or free as a result of Luffy's and Black Beard's actions. Plus, after that fiasco, I think they would enact new security measures that wouldn't even permit to a Shishibukaï to enter, hence negating the possibility of something like what happened with Luffy to happen again.
Impel Down would be reasonnably safe, I think.

kebuenowilly
September 21, 2010, 04:25 AM
Mmm I have a weird theory: what if World Government has DF in stock to give to their best subordinates? Just as we saw with Kaku and Califa. They will for sure keep the strongest DF for the high ranked marines, so maybe, the next admiral will get a logia DF, so it could be anybody, since it will keep the logia theme of admirals.

Would that new admiral has a face inspired on a classical japanese actor?

damane08
September 21, 2010, 06:54 AM
I would love it if a strong marine from the G5 base in the NW was promoted to admiral because i don't think that we have seen anyone strong enough to be promoted thus far. One of the Vice Admirals that we've seen might fit the bill but they don't seem to be destructively powerful as the current admirals.

Wouldn't it be funny if none of the admirals were promoted to FA? what if the current admirals remain the same and another person got promoted to Fleet Admiral? i would laugh my ass off.

BlackSword
September 24, 2010, 03:36 AM
I Don't Care!! I want a Swordmaster Admiral! >.< Not to mention after letting like 200+ Criminals Escape from Impel Down I doubt they will give him a promotion.

DEATHBOTT
September 24, 2010, 04:35 AM
does magellan even count as a marine? i thought the prison staff were a different sub set of the wg. anyway i think he just appeared strong because luffy was just a bad match against him. the admirals would rape him imo. so i don't think he will be the new admiral. doberman or momongo or whatever his name is probably.

jacek185
September 24, 2010, 04:42 AM
magellan is not that strong its becouse of that poison and venom ;| he had a hard time with luffy + the candle armor xD so admiral will have not hard time with beating him maybe that marine with the Sabi Sabi no Mi(rust rust fruit) ? zoro had a hard time with him(almoast lost)

Katz
September 24, 2010, 04:45 AM
does magellan even count as a marine? i thought the prison staff were a different sub set of the wg. anyway i think he just appeared strong because luffy was just a bad match against him. the admirals would rape him imo. so i don't think he will be the new admiral. doberman or momongo or whatever his name is probably.

I wouldn't call him a marine, an employee of the WG very much yes.

but yea I don't see magellan becoming an admiral

A. he just failed at his job of being warden of ID, of course not his fault but none-the-less I'm sure the WG will place blame squarely on him

B. he would probably lose to any of the 3 admirals unless he fought them in a closed/sealed room cause though he might not being to hit them, logia's like everyone else have to breath, so he could possibly takedown admiral in a pure happenstance sort of way, but he's beatable, he's a strong bastard due to his DF yes, admiral level probably not

DBC
September 24, 2010, 05:21 AM
Regarding Magellan, two years is a long time. If he were to learn haki to deflect physical attacks then he would be extremely overpowered seeing as a fight against him is a fight against the clock. And certainly in two years he could possibly clean that mark off his record, possibly by rounding up escapees. Food for thought, sooo much can happen in two years you gotta keep an open mind.

vagabond87
September 24, 2010, 05:33 AM
I really dont know why are you guys discussing possibility of Magellan becoming new Admiral.. There is thread where you can write about who will become new Admiral.
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62984&page=11

Only few days and we will have some summaries for new chapter... Im used to wait for manga like Berserk but its impossible to wait any longer week more for One Piece...

DEATHBOTT
September 24, 2010, 05:48 AM
Regarding Magellan, two years is a long time. If he were to learn haki to deflect physical attacks then he would be extremely overpowered seeing as a fight against him is a fight against the clock. And certainly in two years he could possibly clean that mark off his record, possibly by rounding up escapees. Food for thought, sooo much can happen in two years you gotta keep an open mind.

i dont think the escapees were introduced just to be rounded up by magellan off panel. also he is old so he should already know about haki and if he already hasnt trained in it i doubt he will now. he is perfect were he is, in an enclosed space. the only reason people escaped was because he got womped by a shit load of shuichibukai level pirates all at once.

MokiSenpai
September 24, 2010, 06:03 AM
I think it's gonna be Coby. Oda stated that we are now at the begining of the end run, so probably there won't be any time skips in the story anymore, so this is the ideal time to remember the oath that Coby took. He wanted to be an admiral, and Luffy supported him, so... this is basicly a confirmation, that he will be an admiral. But yeah, 2 years is a pretty short time period and there's no guarantee, that there won't be any timeskips in the future, but Coby as an admiral it's quiet a possibility. I mean he could eat a powerful devil fruit and get a hard and intensive training from Garp on his haki. Garp is a guy who knows, how to prepare somebody to become an admiral, if you know what i'm saying :D

hokageji
September 24, 2010, 06:16 AM
hmmm, i dont know about coby, but thats a possibility....

aokiji is gonna become the fleet admiral...

i think the strongest marine below the admiral level other than garp and important to the storyline is smoker.......

but smoker is already like garp, ignoring all promotions and shit. so it cant be him.....

coby fits in perfectly. garp is resigning and will remain on duty only as to train. 2 years under garp will make coby strong.... so luffy coby will continue the garp roger saga...

deffkryz
September 24, 2010, 06:23 AM
Magellan isn't part of the Marines. He's the head of the prison - and thus a WG subordinate just like Spandam. The only connection to the Marines is Kong the supreme commander of all World Government units including Ohka Shichibukai. Coby is a simple Sōchō crewman - far from being an officer anyway. It's more thinkable that Tashigi becomes Admiral since she's already Lieutenant. Smoker is three ranks below an admiral - also not possible to surpass three ranks within two years. As a VA he needs to use haki which he can't. And not that Garp would want to become an admiral anyways but he already stepped down out of active services.

The biggest chances do have either Onigumo or Momonga - or one of the other Vice Admirals within the Buster Call Fleet that bombed Enies Lobby, so Yamakaji, Doberman or Strawberry. They are the next in ranks.

BlackSword
September 24, 2010, 06:29 AM
I've been seeing predictions of the major bases of WG. Enies Lobby/Impel Down & Marine HQ having big legions of Pacifista. I'm think that + Magellan would pretty much = No Ever Escapes Again. Magellan is good at his job he should stay there. Who the hell did Magellan lose to exactly? Last we see him he was about to beat up Bon Clay.
I firmly stand by my 'Sword Admiral' Opinion!

DBC
September 24, 2010, 06:39 AM
I've been seeing predictions of the major bases of WG. Enies Lobby/Impel Down & Marine HQ having big legions of Pacifista. I'm think that + Magellan would pretty much = No Ever Escapes Again. Magellan is good at his job he should stay there. Who the hell did Magellan lose to exactly? Last we see him he was about to beat up Bon Clay.
I firmly stand by my 'Sword Admiral' Opinion!

I sincerely doubt the new Admiral will be a swordsman... at least that a sword would be his main/only weapon. If that were to happen, whenever I see him I'll be thinking "Meh... Mihawks the strongest swordsman so whats the big deal". The Admirals are supposed to be superpowers, It doesn't fit at all. Mihawk already fights for the marines, it would be a sad sight for an Admiral to be weaker than 1 of the Shichibukai alone.

underpants
September 24, 2010, 07:44 AM
Mmm I have a weird theory: what if World Government has DF in stock to give to their best subordinates? Just as we saw with Kaku and Califa. They will for sure keep the strongest DF for the high ranked marines, so maybe, the next admiral will get a logia DF, so it could be anybody, since it will keep the logia theme of admirals.

Would that new admiral has a face inspired on a classical japanese actor?

Wow it would be nice if thats the case because i like the Admirals to be all logias..

chess4
September 24, 2010, 07:52 AM
magellan is a straight beast...............i think after the 2 year skip he will be much stronger. i think its safe to say that he will become the new admiral. magellan is 2 good of a character to just fade away from the story, because if he goes back to impel down thats what will happen. the story will never focus on impel down again. i think magellans second in command will become the new chief warden, and magellan will get a promotion

Bugzee
September 24, 2010, 07:58 AM
I can't really picture the admiral line up with Magellan. It'll just look wrong. :XD

Kizaru -- Akainu -- Magellan

Don't get me wrong, he definitely has one of the most powerful df abilities in OP but his character definitely suits the Impel Down theme more than anything else tbh. It would be dumb if after this timeskip it's confirmed that Magellan has "retired" as well. :darn I say we'll get a new admiral with a zoan fruit ability....who's a sword specialist as well. ;)

Gol D Ace
September 24, 2010, 12:55 PM
Forget admiral..who will be the new vice admirals....Smoker is definitly going to one...

As for the straw hats...I dont think they will get a crew mate soon..they still got to meet and show off new techniques.and stuff.....which will be long....
people i cant wait for next weeeekkk...ahhhh

ripmyg
September 24, 2010, 03:03 PM
magellan is not that strong its becouse of that poison and venom ;| he had a hard time with luffy + the candle armor xD so admiral will have not hard time with beating him maybe that marine with the Sabi Sabi no Mi(rust rust fruit) ? zoro had a hard time with him(almoast lost)

haha i just burst in to laughter after reading this? REALLY the rust rust fruit for admiral haha
luffy could have taken him down on chapter 1 obviously he is a good machup against swordsmen but to fight any other opponent, tbh i think that Zoro could beat him with just his fists, if he pumps muscles into his arms i think this guy would have no chance, not to mention that he is currently a captain....

DBC
September 25, 2010, 01:54 AM
Funny how like an entire page from the chapter discussion got cut+pasted here... that thread has been talked to death, 1850 posts!! If we didn't go off-topic it would die.

Aaaaannnyy way... I agreed with Smoker being a VA, because I'm of the opinion that the next Admiral will be cannon fodder to demonstrate the SH's new level. So I'd like Smoker to be in a position to step up when the next Admiral gets taken out.

Also, this isn't entirely off topic, since the way the story has turned. How do you think the Admirals will be dealt with in the future? Can they now be killed since the only in flashbacks rule is broken?

BlackSword
September 25, 2010, 02:29 AM
Funny how like an entire page from the chapter discussion got cut+pasted here... that thread has been talked to death, 1850 posts!! If we didn't go off-topic it would die.

Aaaaannnyy way... I agreed with Smoker being a VA, because I'm of the opinion that the next Admiral will be cannon fodder to demonstrate the SH's new level. So I'd like Smoker to be in a position to step up when the next Admiral gets taken out.

Also, this isn't entirely off topic, since the way the story has turned. How do you think the Admirals will be dealt with in the future? Can they now be killed since the only in flashbacks rule is broken?
This is probably exactly right. The new admiral gets owned by the SH to show their 'power up' But I don't think he is going to be weak tbh. I just think they are going to be stronger. And Smoker is definitely going to be a VA.

I don't see the SH killing anyone really even an admiral who gets in their way. They will certain beat him within an inch of his life maybe even make him unable to fight again (Nice way to get rid of characters.) But I don't really see them killing him unless he does something stupid like hurt one of their nakama. And in which case 'shrug' he could die.

Lord Rayleigh
September 26, 2010, 03:04 PM
Forget Magellan who is not even a Marine and who was completely beaten by the Blackbeard Pirates - you know, these pirates who, stronger than in Impel Down, fled in a hurry as soon as they learnt that Admiral Akainu was coming to fight them.

chess4
September 26, 2010, 05:31 PM
Forget Magellan who is not even a Marine and who was completely beaten by the Blackbeard Pirates - you know, these pirates who, stronger than in Impel Down, fled in a hurry as soon as they learnt that Admiral Akainu was coming to fight them.

dont forget that magellan took out the WB pirates with one shot. magellan was taken out by a slew of level 6 prisoners. BB ran from akainu because BB cant contol his power yet

Bugzee
September 26, 2010, 05:43 PM
dont forget that magellan took out the WB pirates with one shot. magellan was taken out by a slew of level 6 prisoners. BB ran from akainu because BB cant contol his power yet

When was this? :confused

BB was saved by Shiryuu...if it wasn't for him then it would be completely different... I guess.

BB still needs haki against a logia user like Akainu imo.
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Buggy as the new adimiral?? How so? lol I don't understand the logic behind that "theory/ prediction". Seriously, I think the invite is for a Shichibukai seat. A former Roger pirate (apprentice or not...still a pirate) turned Marine? and an admiral at that? XD! That's crazy!

The more I think about it, the more I feel that the new admiral will be a totally new character from the NW...

chess4
September 26, 2010, 05:48 PM
When was this? :confused

BB was saved by Shiryuu...if it wasn't for him then it would be completely different... I guess.

BB still needs haki against a logia user like Akainu imo.
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Buggy as the new adimiral?? How so? lol I don't understand the logic behind that "theory/ prediction". Seriously, I think the invite is for a Shichibukai seat. A former Roger pirate (apprentice or not...still a pirate) turned Marine? and an admiral at that? XD! That's crazy!

The more I think about it, the more I feel that the new admiral will be a totally new character from the NW...


my fault.....i meant the BB pirates with one shot:p

Bugzee
September 26, 2010, 05:55 PM
my fault.....i meant the BB pirates with one shot:p

No worries. Katz already highlighted that error but he deleted his post...:shifty

Well, if it's going to be another logia user then I can only see it being Smoker atm...but I would prefer it not to be him. It would be even more awesome if he declined such an offer in the future. :grin

Katz
September 26, 2010, 06:11 PM
No worries. Katz already highlighted that error but he deleted his post...:shifty

Well, if it's going to be another logia user then I can only see it being Smoker atm...but I would prefer it not to be him. It would be even more awesome if he declined such an offer in the future. :grin

Yea I thought it was too short (being a one-liner), but speaking of Smoker I'd prefer him to be vice-admiral and continue chasing luffy....I still view Smoker to Luffy as Garp was to Roger...they will fight fight and after years develop a strong respect for one another.

Captain golddigger
September 26, 2010, 07:37 PM
wow...i think the only person in the series that don't really need haki is bb...hmm...am i wrong?

kkck
September 26, 2010, 11:41 PM
^I think he needs it as much as anyone. Haki is not a replacement for a DF nor are DFs a replacement for haki IMO. Surely BB can hit logia's with his ability but without being capable of using haki at least in a mediocre fashion he'd be too weak to be a threat in the grand scheme of things IMO. IMO haki is pretty much a standard thing for people of above average strength, in that sense BB can't afford to not have haki. DF's make someone unique, in turn, haki does not make someone unique since anyone, including DF users, can acquire it.

kanmati
December 15, 2010, 05:37 PM
If the sentomaru can become marine. Magellan can be one too. so Magellan is new Admiral. He has debt with Luffy and Blackbeard Pirate.

Dekker
December 15, 2010, 06:09 PM
If the sentomaru can become marine. Magellan can be one too. so Magellan is new Admiral. He has debt with Luffy and Blackbeard Pirate.

As much as the power of Magellan is enough to become an admiral, he just isn't suited. He's to restricted in his working hours to have such a spot.

Razh
December 15, 2010, 06:16 PM
As much as the power of Magellan is enough to become an admiral, he just isn't suited. He's to restricted in his working hours to have such a spot.

Things can change. Like, he stopped eating poison soups and shit.
But I do have trouble imagining him in white.

2 years is a long time, when I think about it. Smoker could have advanced in ranks these last 2 years, fighting New World pirates, as he requested of Aokiji. I'd bet more on him than on Magellan, even though Magellan is more dangerous.

Dekker
December 16, 2010, 02:01 PM
Things can change. Like, he stopped eating poison soups and shit.
But I do have trouble imagining him in white.

2 years is a long time, when I think about it. Smoker could have advanced in ranks these last 2 years, fighting New World pirates, as he requested of Aokiji. I'd bet more on him than on Magellan, even though Magellan is more dangerous.

Yeah, but then again, ranks mean nothing to Smoker. All he wants is to hunt for Luffy. And since he is to Luffy what Garp was to Roger, I think he will never be ranked up to Admiral.

Well I dont know, we did not see anyone stand out of the others in strength all the fight long. I somehow think that there wont even be a new Admiral for quite some time, unless some of the VAs are a lot more powerful then they seemed (which is pretty questionable).

Bugzee
December 16, 2010, 04:16 PM
If any of the admirals get promoted to fleet admiral then I guess Smoker would get a promotion but I don't think he would instantly skip a few ranks and obtain the admiral seat so soon after the War. An admiral holds responsbilities and duties in all seas lol. Not just "Paradise" where Smoker spent most of his time. I can see him getting a Vice Admiral rank in the future but I just really don't see him as the admiral type tbh.

I would rather see a few new marine characters getting introduced at this stage now.

Dekker
December 16, 2010, 05:11 PM
If any of the admirals get promoted to fleet admiral then I guess Smoker would get a promotion but I don't think he would instantly skip a few ranks and obtain the admiral seat so soon after the War.

Not to mention that he is simply not strong enough to be an admiral. For all we saw, Smoker is not a haki user, thus giving him a hard time vs logias (like himself) and other fruit users. And since the admirals are the marines strongest force, he just can't be one in his state pre timeskip. We still have to see him again and im sure we will see him again once Luffy and his crew reach the new world.

xeteboi
December 17, 2010, 03:33 AM
Magellan isn't part of the Marines. He's the head of the prison - and thus a WG subordinate just like Spandam. The only connection to the Marines is Kong the supreme commander of all World Government units including Ohka Shichibukai. Coby is a simple Sōchō crewman - far from being an officer anyway. It's more thinkable that Tashigi becomes Admiral since she's already Lieutenant. Smoker is three ranks below an admiral - also not possible to surpass three ranks within two years. As a VA he needs to use haki which he can't. And not that Garp would want to become an admiral anyways but he already stepped down out of active services.

The biggest chances do have either Onigumo or Momonga - or one of the other Vice Admirals within the Buster Call Fleet that bombed Enies Lobby, so Yamakaji, Doberman or Strawberry. They are the next in ranks.


I guess you're underestimating Coby too much. Don't forget how Oda gives him a plot on the manga. I think the position of Admiral will remain unseated until Coby is ready for it.

And for the Magellan lovers, sorry but i don't see him as a candidate for Admiral. For the Smoker lovers, remember how Hancock kick his ass... how come he will become a candidate?

Mera Mera no Mi aka Fire Fire fruit is somewhere since the death of Ace and remember that Wind Wind fruit is not yet revealed which is a top type of logia fruits.

deffkryz
December 17, 2010, 05:58 AM
I guess you're underestimating Coby too much. Don't forget how Oda gives him a plot on the manga. I think the position of Admiral will remain unseated until Coby is ready for it.
No. That wouldn't just make any sense. Again: Coby is not even an officer so far. Thinking of him to become an Admiral sure concurs to his dream - but saying anything like that he either now is admiral or that the seat remains free until he becomes admiral is much too early.


Mera Mera no Mi aka Fire Fire fruit is somewhere since the death of Ace and remember that Wind Wind fruit is not yet revealed which is a top type of logia fruits.
We don't even know whether or not such a "wind fruit" exists nor whether or not Oda decides it to be Logia. :eyeroll

Ashura_Ichibugin
December 17, 2010, 09:38 AM
First of all, we don't know if there is a law or tradition about the number of admirals. Although I guess there is a tradition of 3 admirals, we cannot be sure. So, one of the possible answers is nobody will be the next admiral (at least for now).

Also someone we don't know can be the new admiral, in which case we cannot speculate on his identity.

If there is a third admiral and he is someone we know, I guess it can be Onigumo or John Giant. Onigumo was responsible for Ace's transportation to Marineford and helped Kizaru against Marco (maybe only because of his extra limbs); while John Giant was giving orders to deploy vice admirals during the buster call to Enies Lobby (maybe he is just responsible for this kind of things, who knows).

And about Smoker, he doesn't have the slightest chance. I think he is at most a rear admiral now.

Razh
December 17, 2010, 01:05 PM
I can't help but wonder how Smoker is so poorly ranked. You can't dismiss him based on how ranks didn't mean anything to him (which isn't true any more, since he realized he'll need a higher rank to continue pursuing Luff), or how Boa could kick him, and shit.

It seems like you're forgetting that the guy has most likely spent the last 2 years doing nothing but fighting New World pirates. Just a reminder, that's more than twice as long as the story went on before the time-skip.
Or do you guys suppose that Luffy is the only one who had any training and became stronger? Give me a break.

BTW: The supposed logia would be better named as air logia. Wind is nothing, it doesn't exist as an element. It's just a moving air. School ftw.

Dekker
December 17, 2010, 01:25 PM
I can't help but wonder how Smoker is so poorly ranked. You can't dismiss him based on how ranks didn't mean anything to him (which isn't true any more, since he realized he'll need a higher rank to continue pursuing Luff), or how Boa could kick him, and shit.

Lets call it even on that one. You are right in that he wants a higher rank to be able to run after Luffy as much as he wants. Right now he has to listen to orders and does not have much freedom. As a VA, he could do the same as Garp. Still, he wont be an Admiral for that sake, as he would have loads of responsibilities and wont be able to do what he wants.



It seems like you're forgetting that the guy has most likely spent the last 2 years doing nothing but fighting New World pirates. Just a reminder, that's more than twice as long as the story went on before the time-skip.
Or do you guys suppose that Luffy is the only one who had any training and became stronger? Give me a break.


You are right, he did train too. We are basing all our arguments around his strength back then. And now be honest: If it wasn't for his logia fruit, he wouldn't look as strong when opposing Luffy. I actually never saw anything amazing by Smoker to date, whereas Luffy has shown to be quite a powerhouse (yes I know, without his fruit he wouldn't be that strong, doesn't change the fact that he can at least be damaged). We have only seen a quantum of Luffys improvement and he already roflstomped his enemies left and right. Enemies that were almost too much to handle for the entire crew together.
We'll see about Smoker when hes first shown. And I'm pretty certain that we will see him pretty soon once they enter the NW.

xeteboi
December 17, 2010, 11:30 PM
Smoker is poorly rank because he can't even use haki which the VA's posses, do you think he can manage to improve himself within 2 years and even match up with Luffy's progress?I think its a joke...he's just depending on his DF that makes him strong to non haki users.

kkck
December 18, 2010, 03:08 AM
Well, smoker could potentially develop haki within two years. He does not need mastery of the thing or anything, just the very basics would work for the most part. Even then, I don't think he would be altogether weak without his powers. During the war he was actually able to grab a hold of luffy and restrain him for a while. His fruit has somewhat hax powers but in turn fruits rarely if at all increase actual physical prowess. If smoker did not have any physical capacity of his own, he would have been blitz and overpowered by luffy. Luffy would not have been able to kill smoker but the same thing would be the case for smoker.

xeteboi
December 18, 2010, 04:57 AM
Well, smoker could potentially develop haki within two years. He does not need mastery of the thing or anything, just the very basics would work for the most part. Even then, I don't think he would be altogether weak without his powers. During the war he was actually able to grab a hold of luffy and restrain him for a while. His fruit has somewhat hax powers but in turn fruits rarely if at all increase actual physical prowess. If smoker did not have any physical capacity of his own, he would have been blitz and overpowered by luffy. Luffy would not have been able to kill smoker but the same thing would be the case for smoker.

Well, the point is he is a logia type and its a big deal for non haki users.That time, Luffy was'nt concerned about Smoker and haven't learned haki. Now that he know how to use CoO, CoA and even CoC, he will definitely kick his ass, and one more thing, the level of Luffy now is still can't take down the level of an Admiral, I guess just like Blackbeared. So how come that Smoker will be a candidate for Admiral thing? For a VA, well I guess he is..

Razh
December 18, 2010, 06:22 AM
There's no way to tell how a character is going to develop. Just remember Coby, who hasn't appeared in a very long time (not too long in manga time), and BOOM, he knows Soru!

Oda did set a certain rivalry between Luffy and Smoker, and seeing how Smoker is a fighter, he's bound to be a lot stronger now. Also, since we saw that Marine doctors are very much acquainted with Haki, I doubt Smoker will just let it pass. Seeing how Boa pwned him and all.

Anyway, all I wanted to say back there is that he's more likely than Magellan.

xeteboi
December 18, 2010, 09:04 AM
There's no way to tell how a character is going to develop. Just remember Coby, who hasn't appeared in a very long time (not too long in manga time), and BOOM, he knows Soru!

Youre right, but for that long time....did you even see an improvement of Smoker? you didnt right?For coby... hes a deal in the new world.. i thought he will be the one who will become the rival marine in the future, just like Garp and Roger


Anyway, all I wanted to say back there is that he's more likely than Magellan.

For this one, then I am more with Magellan, remember how Hancock is scared for Luffy entering ID.
I'm not showing that I'm anti Smoker though......

BlackHair
December 18, 2010, 12:01 PM
For this one, then I am more with Magellan, remember how Hancock is scared for Luffy entering ID.
I'm not showing that I'm anti Smoker though......
I believe Razh's original thought was that Smoker became through fighting NW pirates for the past two years strong enough to rival or to even overcome Magellan's fighting power.

I personally don't think Smoker will ever become a Admiral. That guy is loose, just like Garp. I see him at most on VA rank, for the same reasons as Garp.

I would love to see Magellan as the new Admiral, it would be a compete waste to let him rot in ID, where his potential just gets wasted. I would rather like to see him on the outside fighting SHs and the LvL 6 escapees. Furthermore we could have a Admiral with direct conflict with both, the protagonist and the antagonist.

xeteboi
February 24, 2011, 11:01 PM
I would love to see Magellan as the new Admiral, it would be a compete waste to let him rot in ID, where his potential just gets wasted.

Magellan? an admiral type? he lacks in experience i think...

Schabrak
February 25, 2011, 09:21 PM
Experience in what? Sailing? He lead the whole staff of Impel Down for years and is powerful, compared to shown VA not weak in any way, so what does he lack experience with?

xeteboi
February 26, 2011, 04:04 AM
He is just stocked up inside the Impel Down. Maybe, he is the chief warden but in Admiral thing, you are set outside for hunting pirates and other missions.. Imagine yourself living on your house for decades and then you are obliged to become a secret agent to have a mission in a place where you dont know. see the logic?
you would be a dead meat man...

Schabrak
February 26, 2011, 07:19 AM
Do you honestly believe that they know every single island they visit beforhand? Likely not possible and rather idiotic, as it's easy to gain intel on anything being in such position. Though they may be on secret missions at times, the whole world[excluding Luffy] knows their faces, so hiding is not possible. Impel Down is a gigantic fortress, so that comparison to a house isn't that relevant, not like Shirahoshi who was kept in one room for ten years.

Jorge D. Dragon
March 04, 2011, 02:37 PM
I actually don't think that Smoker or Magelan will become Admiral. If they won't get Haki they can't get even Vice Admiral position no matter what and I don't see Smoker getting it. I see him at best being Rear Admiral.
Also Smoker isn't any better than normal Captain. He only relies on his Logia DF and is practically nothing without it.

Schabrak
March 04, 2011, 05:02 PM
Most logia shown depend on their abilities, name me two who don't. Ace, admirals , Caribou, Enel do. That didn't stop them from using their powers like swords for slashing or piercing. Smoker was just compansating for haki with his sea-stone tipped Jitte. Do you asume that he's limited to the growth of his ability? Even Luffy is using only using his, in form of coc.

xeteboi
March 06, 2011, 07:28 AM
I actually don't think that Smoker or Magelan will become Admiral. If they won't get Haki they can't get even Vice Admiral position no matter what and I don't see Smoker getting it. I see him at best being Rear Admiral.
Also Smoker isn't any better than normal Captain. He only relies on his Logia DF and is practically nothing without it.

i agree with you. Magellan? not a quite fighter..

Dekker
March 06, 2011, 08:04 AM
Do you honestly believe that they know every single island they visit beforhand? Likely not possible and rather idiotic, as it's easy to gain intel on anything being in such position. Though they may be on secret missions at times, the whole world[excluding Luffy] knows their faces, so hiding is not possible. Impel Down is a gigantic fortress, so that comparison to a house isn't that relevant, not like Shirahoshi who was kept in one room for ten years.

Magellan is only able to work for a few hours a day. This restriction throws him out of the position already. And yes, he is also missing expierience in fighting outside of Impel Down. Also, Magellan was not shown to be that tough. He was brought down to his knees by a severly weakened Luffy. I imagine anyone who is able to wear a cover over his body that protects him from the poison would be able to take him down. This is an insanly huge factor! People at Impel Down had nothing to take cover. Galdinho and Luffy had shown at the end of their breakout, how they can handle Magellans strongest attack.

Sorry, but Magellan just isn't the right one for the job imho...

Jorge D. Dragon
March 06, 2011, 03:01 PM
Most logia shown depend on their abilities, name me two who don't. Ace, admirals , Caribou, Enel do. That didn't stop them from using their powers like swords for slashing or piercing. Smoker was just compansating for haki with his sea-stone tipped Jitte. Do you asume that he's limited to the growth of his ability? Even Luffy is using only using his, in form of coc.

Enel knows mantra and can fight pretty good even without his Logia abilities, even though he would be handicaped. Admirals actually know Haki and they are real tanks even without their Logia abilities. As Luffy said even before getting DF Ace was stronger than Luffy.
I don't actually try to downgrade Smoker, but people are overrating him thinking that in two years he will become someone like Vice Admiral or Admiral, cause he doesn't have Haki.

Schabrak
March 06, 2011, 04:34 PM
I did not intend to downgrade them either, just saying that all their basic attacks are based on their abilities, may it be like a projectile, sword slash or a bash. Non logia use real weapons or coc for that. In a previous post I pointed out the actual power and stamina for physical attacks/defense of those named characters like Akainu or Kizaru.

kidopitz27
March 07, 2011, 11:28 AM
sorry for this question

1.did aokiji accepted his position as Fleet Admiral or Akainu becomes a Fleet Admiral if either of that question is answered no one can really tell who left the admiral position and if no one left why bother who is gonna be the next admiral (maybe an admiral level marine but not yet promoted)

2. if someone from those 3 admirals left the position to be promoted i think the Gorosei will act and place someone from the marines or even from the shichibukai we don't really know
* From the Shichibukai
- Doflamingo - too loyal at the Gorosei either for money or something
-well that is the only person i know to accept that offer
*From the Marines
-there is a lot of them on an admiral level so there is many options
a lot of VA's skill is just shown for a little time so maybe they are powerful in some aspects
---------------- You cannot judge a book by its cover alone you have to read it first :)

Dekker
March 07, 2011, 01:08 PM
1.did aokiji accepted his position as Fleet Admiral or Akainu becomes a Fleet Admiral if either of that question is answered no one can really tell who left the admiral position and if no one left why bother who is gonna be the next admiral (maybe an admiral level marine but not yet promoted)


First of all, we don't even know if it was offered to Aokiji. We know exactly nothing...



2. if someone from those 3 admirals left the position to be promoted i think the Gorosei will act and place someone from the marines or even from the shichibukai we don't really know
* From the Shichibukai
- Doflamingo - too loyal at the Gorosei either for money or something
-well that is the only person i know to accept that offer
*From the Marines
-there is a lot of them on an admiral level so there is many options
a lot of VA's skill is just shown for a little time so maybe they are powerful in some aspects


WTF did you smoke? Doflamingo as admiral? A PIRATE? Hes not loyal to the Gorosei, hes not even loyal to that guy in the WG. He told that guy that he does not care for anything but his own good. As soon as he sees no benefit from their connection, he just leaves and abandon their relationship, because hes a pirate.

And another question: How many admiral level marines did you see that were just not promoted to the position of admiral? I am not saying there is non, but I havent seen any. Heck, not even the VA were shown to be as powerful as the admirals and I am god damn sure they are the closest to admiral level...

Schabrak
March 07, 2011, 04:18 PM
Rather unlikely, but the Marines could have left some senior back in the NW base for defense of Mary Joa or the city itself. This would be a fantastic way to introduce some unknown high ranking enemy without someone lvling up impossibly fast.

Yeah Doflamingo wouldn't be accepted by the marines, but it would certainly be a suprise for everyone.

BBB Banana
March 07, 2011, 05:03 PM
I also think some "unknown" character should be introduced as the new admiral or someone we would never be able to imagine. After all Oda is never predictable.

zelllogan
April 11, 2011, 11:55 AM
If it's a known character, It can only be smoker. Smoker is more interesting & seems to have more potential than all VC we have seen so far.
I would prefer a new character ... for example, some kind of fighting genius around the same age as luffy.

chess4
April 11, 2011, 01:25 PM
If it's a known character, It can only be smoker. Smoker is more interesting & seems to have more potential than all VC we have seen so far.
I would prefer a new character ... for example, some kind of fighting genius around the same age as luffy.

the reason i cant see an unknown character becoming the new admiral because all of the top fighters were at marineford when whitebeard attacked. if he/she was that strong why would sengoku leave them out of the fight?

if its not one of the VA that we saw during the war, it has to be magellan.

magellan is just as devastating as the other 3 admirals. yes he amost was killed but he was up agaisnt a slew of legendary prisoners, virtually by himself so i cut him some slack for that.

zelllogan
April 11, 2011, 01:42 PM
I forgot about Magellan. He is a possibility.
But a new character is possible. Everyone wasn't at marine ford. Marine still had to leave strong marines in the new world. Plus, some genius newbie could have been discovered during the two year timeskip. Some strong guys could have been sick during the war ... There are enough possibilities to explain that someone strong wasn't at marineford

BBB Banana
April 11, 2011, 02:37 PM
Magellan seems more like a shady character I don't think he fits the admiral position.

Dekker
April 11, 2011, 04:38 PM
If it's a known character, It can only be smoker. Smoker is more interesting & seems to have more potential than all VC we have seen so far.
I would prefer a new character ... for example, some kind of fighting genius around the same age as luffy.

So Smoker basically got promoted 3 times in those 2 years? Dont get me wrong, Smoker was neither really that strong (the Luffy now would toast the Smoker from back then, because his only advantage was beeing a logia) and he does not care for ranks. That was all already said several times in this thread...

Rosebullet Teacher
April 12, 2011, 04:56 AM
I like Magellan, amazing fruit & when he fights he's just as ruthless as the admirals we know, plus with the same sense of duty. But he's not a marine & that's quite a few ranks to jump just because you feel it is your duty to recapture level 6ers. The VAs don't seem up to it Smoker neither. I say bring on the new candidates but no more logias the marines can't keep having all those

FuS

Jorge D. Dragon
April 12, 2011, 02:20 PM
I believe it might be either someone from the actual Vice Admirals or someone from special forces that we haven't seen yet to fill in the position of an Admiral.
Smoker is too far from the level of Vice Admiral and of course he is even more far from the level of an Admiral. Also he didn't have Haki before time-skip and he is in such age that you don't progress that much and don't gain such abilities as Haki in that age.
I also don't see Magellan as an Admiral for the same reason as Smoker. He doesn't have Haki. Even though he is damn strong. He isn't strong enough without Haki to become an Admiral.

sh4dx
April 16, 2011, 08:08 PM
About magelan, sure he is strong and all but he is nowhere near the strength of the admirals.He is like enel(a powerful df, better fighting skills than him etc..) but if we put him against someone like wb,shanks etc i don't think he would do even half as the admirals did in the war.
About the people who says that he will stay in ID and all don't forget that Sentomaru was also Vegapunk's bodyguard(though works for WG) and after the TS he became a marine.

anyway i don't know for sure if akainu or aokiji promoted to fleet admiral but i believe that either the admirals will be 2 or a new character will be introduced because i don't see any of the VA (maaybe Yamakaji just because Oda keep him always smiling and all this and who knows maybe he'll have a Logia power too, that's just me!!) strong enough to keep on head with the other 2.

Uriel
April 16, 2011, 09:03 PM
I forgot about Magellan. He is a possibility.
But a new character is possible. Everyone wasn't at marine ford. Marine still had to leave strong marines in the new world. Plus, some genius newbie could have been discovered during the two year timeskip. Some strong guys could have been sick during the war ... There are enough possibilities to explain that someone strong wasn't at marineford
It can be always another retired hero. Or just someone who was at duty. Let's remember that there is plenty of possibilities and Oda usually don't go with the most predictable one.

Magellan can't be, He was defeated by Shiryu. I know that doesn't mean a lot, but It's something to consider.

I also don't see Magellan as an Admiral for the same reason as Smoker. He doesn't have Haki. Even though he is damn strong. He isn't strong enough without Haki to become an Admiral.
Pardon me, where it was said that Magellan lacks Haki? Or was shown in any place ANY hint of this?

xeteboi
April 23, 2011, 01:45 AM
Magellan can't be, He was defeated by Shiryu. I know that doesn't mean a lot, but It's something to consider.

Shiryu? What part of the manga did Shiryu defeat Magellan? Or should you say that the Blackbeared Pirates?

Jorge D. Dragon
April 27, 2011, 10:26 AM
LordUriel

Pardon me, where it was said that Magellan lacks Haki? Or was shown in any place ANY hint of this?
Actually as common logic goes, if person isn't stated to be Haki user - he isn't one. When he will be mentioned to have Haki I will agree, but until this we should consider that he doesn't have it.

McNuss
December 16, 2012, 04:02 PM
Something I found out watching trailers for the new movie:

Almost all prominent marine characters are shown, however no one of them has become an admiral. That would imply that currently Kizaru is the only admiral under Fleet Admiral Sakazuki.

hoeru
December 17, 2012, 02:56 PM
... suggesting the movie is canon which is hard to believe because the movie's story isn't from Oda, is it?

vagabond87
December 17, 2012, 03:18 PM
Oda worked on this movie so we will get some small things that are canon I think.
He worked on strong world trying to make it as canon as it could get but now I think that he took this Z movie one step closer to being canon.
But I think thats wrong place to talk about it coz its spoiler for people wanting to see movie without knowing anything.

GomuGomu_Getsuga
December 17, 2012, 05:32 PM
Possible candidates:

Magellan - That useless Hannyabal is the new warden and the Poison-man has the strength to keep high class pirates in line.
Lucci?? - I really doubt Lucci would accept such a role and he probably doesn't have the dominance. It would be interesting to see a Zoan Admiral.
Some new guy - Would be very cool if Oda just makes some new guy with badass powers to face Luffy.
Coby - 100% positive he isn't an Admiral but he will be some day :kamina

vagabond87
December 17, 2012, 05:55 PM
Possible candidates:

Magellan - That useless Hannyabal is the new warden and the Poison-man has the strength to keep high class pirates in line.
Lucci?? - I really doubt Lucci would accept such a role and he probably doesn't have the dominance. It would be interesting to see a Zoan Admiral.
Some new guy - Would be very cool if Oda just makes some new guy with badass powers to face Luffy.
Coby - 100% positive he isn't an Admiral but he will be some day :kamina

Do you even read One Piece?

There was already Magellan on of the covers - http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121020042103/onepiece/images/7/79/Magellan_TS.jpg he is shown to be
Vice Warden of Impel Down. He probably barely escaped death and is handicaped in a way.

Lucci- Spandam has dispatched pursuers to capture CP9 so they could be blamed for the mission's failure but they defeated Marines that were sended after them, they are now fugitives yet to be shown after time skipe(in last chapter we saw someone whos shadowed figure looks like Lucci).
Zoan admiral would be amazingly good for me as well.
Some completely new guy is best bet.
Lately we have seen Vergo who was never heard of before and he turned out to be monster in therms of strenght so we can get some never seen before marine slightly stronger that Vergo being an Admiral.

Zoronoa Roro
December 17, 2012, 06:08 PM
I think that he is saying that magellan was only character shown so far that could take role of admiral in terms of strenght no one from impel down could stand a chance against him

Zehahaha
December 18, 2012, 02:10 PM
Because of his powers, Magellan has a very limited time of work, wasn't it 4 hours a day or something along of that ? Because the majority he's in the toilets taking a dump because of diarrhea (10 hours) and 8 hours sleeping, I doubt someone like him could work as an Admiral

McNuss
December 19, 2012, 11:44 AM
... suggesting the movie is canon which is hard to believe because the movie's story isn't from Oda, is it?
As far as I know, the movie was overseen directly by Oda. Oda himself also desgined the post-timeskip designs for Aokiji, Kizaru, Sengoku, Corby and Helmeppo and draw Z's backstory in the special Volume Z, so his involvement was pretty big. I doubt Oda would allow any big inconsistency with the manga in a movie he is partially responsible for.

Zoronoa Roro
December 20, 2012, 01:30 AM
people have homewhat wrong definition of canon around here, something to be considered canon it dont need to be attached to current storyline, it needs to be inside seting (or universe if you like) where story plays otherwise huge body of literature or media shouldn't be considered canon

chess4
December 24, 2012, 11:35 PM
i know its probably zero chance of this happening, but i would love Enel to be one of the admirals. He is Akainu's type of guy, cold and merciless. Enel is really not a pirate, so it might ber possible. He would fit perfectly as an admiral, and it would be shocking.

leiatte
December 25, 2012, 01:01 AM
i know its probably zero chance of this happening, but i would love Enel to be one of the admirals. He is Akainu's type of guy, cold and merciless. Enel is really not a pirate, so it might ber possible. He would fit perfectly as an admiral, and it would be shocking.

lol, I think that would be really cool, and interesting but yeah there is probably zero chance of this happening, no chance Enel will take orders from anyone, unless he made a huge change in the past 2 years, and I don't think I would like him as much if he did. Also knowing Enel, he probably would keep thinking of the status that he used to have, he was considered a god, and whats higher than that, also he didn't have to much responsibility (he mostly got people to run his kingdom, while relaxing and showing his strength), and had so much freedom.

But, I think it would be really awesome.

Samui
December 29, 2012, 07:51 AM
There AREN'T new Admirals.

Nobody even hinted at the possibility of replacements to Akainu and Aokiji. Another thing, when Character World came out it had a spread dedicated to the Shichibukai. It showed two black spots, which represented the two new Shichibukai members other than Law. The Admiral page had no such thing. The movie also showed us all the known Marine Vice Admirals, so none of them became Admirals.

Schabrak
December 29, 2012, 07:47 PM
I don't think see how that is much of an argument against one or more new admirals. Until the middle of this year we. Didn't even know the head vice-Admiral of G-5, Vergoldung, so no Oda can just create new characters to fill some empty spot. With Sakazuki taking the rank of fleet Admiral, the is only one known admiral left with Borsalino., don't you agree that it looks weird to have the three highest marine ranks filled by only three people?

Nobody has to hint at anything when it's the logical next step.

DKSilversRayleigh
January 05, 2013, 07:16 PM
maybe i's just me but i hope we see a female admiral. if not a female admiral at least another warlord because there doesn't seem to be many strong female characters.

Ankit
January 06, 2013, 02:55 PM
Chances are it will be some unknown Vice Admiral from the NW. We've seen that they are very strong already (Vergo, Smoker). I wouldn't mind seeing atleast one of them being a girl though.

EMS
January 06, 2013, 03:37 PM
: Kizaru, Akainu and Aokiji and i hate kizaru, he is draw came out of a bad cartoon..
while i hate Sakazuki for killing ice.

vagabond87
January 14, 2013, 04:51 AM
Who is ice? :3c
New Admiral will be most probably one person from VA that we already know- Doberman for example and other will be newcomer just like Vergo was in Punk Hazard arc.

zerocooldx
January 14, 2013, 03:18 PM
First off there may not even be a new Admiral, there was never a set number of Admirals that had to be maintained. But if there is 1-2 new Admirals than they will certainly have to be new, possibly WG side of the map, characters that can actually stand next to someone like Kizaru in terms of strength. It wouldn't make sense to just promote any of the known VA's seeing as how Oda clearly drew a line between them, with the exception of Garp, and the Admirals during the war against WB. For me its gotta be someone who can actually fill the shoes of being one of the greatest weapons of the Marines rather then someone just filling a position for the sake of having someone there.

McNuss
January 14, 2013, 06:22 PM
I'd say there arent many new VAs from the New World. We know that the WG doesn't hold much influence in the NW, so I assume that G5 and the HQ (fromer G1) are the only bases there. G5 most likely has only two VAs, as both Smoker and Vergo were mentioned as the Heroes of G5.

We also know that most VAs were at the Marineford War, currently Vergo is the sole exception. The reason why he wasn't at Marineford is probably simple. Someone had to watch the New World, because the Marines didn't know when Whitebeard would attack, and also Kaidou and Shanks made their move as well, so it probably was better to have one high ranking Marine observing the situation.

At the war, we saw that the gap between Admirals and Vice Admirals is very high. The Admirals are the strongest enemys Luffy has faced. They were able to deal critical blows on Whitebeard, who defeated VAs in one shot. None of the current VAs are suited for that position.

But somehow thats perfectly fine. We all know that Luffy will have his revenge on Akainu, and Kizaru is both a kicker and a swordsmen...
Also if there really is a limit of only three Admirals, then the current constelation mirrors Rogers time, as it seems Sengoku was the only Admiral here after Zephyr retired.

EddyBob15
February 24, 2013, 12:07 AM
From the sounds of what Trafalgar and Aokiji said, there have been new admirals promoted. I'm betting that one of them is Strawberry.

Airgrimes
February 24, 2013, 07:47 AM
Does anyone think Oda will simply introduce new characters that happen to be VA's to take up the two Admiral positions?
Or will he pick people we already know.
I'm expecting something like, Oda revealing that after the WB war, one of the VA's from Enies Lobby Buster Call~Bahstah Korru to have gained ahold of a DF in a similar fashion as to how Cipher Pol handed Kaku and Kalifa DF's.
And then we get a VA who's power can now be what is required at Admiral level. A power that Luffy will get seriously pushed back against.
Sort of.

Zehahaha
February 24, 2013, 09:49 AM
Momonga is definitely not an Admiral though, that's for sure
I excpect Onigumo, Doberman, you know those who share the same views as Akainu

Schabrak
February 24, 2013, 10:10 AM
I expect an new and a known face to be promoted. I'm sure Sakazuki will prefer someone who's been fighting by his side in the Marineford war, the second one could be some famous pirate killing VA from the New World, if Akainu has a say in it. If it's Kong who has the decision, he may choose someone of the non brutal sort though to ballance the passions of their forces.

Airgrimes
February 24, 2013, 06:40 PM
Momonga is definitely not an Admiral though, that's for sure
I excpect Onigumo, Doberman, you know those who share the same views as Akainu
But in terms of strength can they even hold a candle to the power that Aokiji and Akainu and Kizaru possess?
Since Admiral level can beat Luffy, whilst I see Luffy beating VA's in a one-on-one personally.

There is a big gap. Surely it would have to be somebody who has a DF ability too since we haven't had a guy in the Marines like Garp since... Well... Garp.

Kaiten
February 24, 2013, 09:56 PM
Other than Smoker, how many Vice Admirals have we really seen fight? Vice-Admiral is a rank, not a power level assessment. Vice-Admirals only need to be strong enough to competently fulfill the requirements of their job. There should be a considerable difference in strength between the younger Vice-Admirals and more tenured Vice-Admirals.

The new Admirals should not be as powerful as their predecessors are. They only need to be as powerful as Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru when they were newly appointed Admiral.

Airgrimes
February 25, 2013, 11:08 AM
Other than Smoker, how many Vice Admirals have we really seen fight? Vice-Admiral is a rank, not a power level assessment. Vice-Admirals only need to be strong enough to competently fulfill the requirements of their job. There should be a considerable difference in strength between the younger Vice-Admirals and more tenured Vice-Admirals.

The new Admirals should not be as powerful as their predecessors are. They only need to be as powerful as Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru when they were newly appointed Admiral.
I would disagree on VA not being a power assessment.
So you're telling me, that there are weak VA's who could get their asses handed to them by Captains?

While in the Cipher Pol~Government Agents, rank means little as Spandam is quite highly ranked but he is ridiculously weak in terms of fighting.
In the Marines, the next Admiral needs to be strong in relation to the current situation of the Pirate Era I believe.

I also think you're forgetting that Oda has it stated in:
Vol. 60 Chapter 594 and Episode 512, Doctor Fishbonen states Haki is a power all the vice admirals use.

So there must be some sort of power assessment involved in how one is an Admiral, Vice Admiral, Rear Admiral, Commodore, Captain, Commander, Lt. Commander and so forth.

Kaiten
February 25, 2013, 11:17 AM
I would disagree on VA not being a power assessment.
So you're telling me, that there are weak VA's who could get their asses handed to them by Captains?

That's not what I meant. There must be a minimum assessment, Vice-Admirals have to be strong enough to execute their basic job duties. But it is still a position, not a static description of strength. Strength could vary greatly between junior and senior Vice-Admirals. There are only three Admiral positions. Promotion from Vice-Admiral to Admiral could be blocked for years. Some could be strong enough to become Admirals, but if a position is not available, they would have to remain VA's.

We also can't compare the strength of the new Admirals to Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru. All three have been Marines for decades; they were not necessarily as strong when they were promoted to admiral as they are now. Both Aokiji and Akainu were already Vice-Admirals at the time of the Ohara incident, twenty years before the present storyline. That is a lot of time to develop, and grow stronger.