Bartholomew Kuma vs Edward Newgate

[El-Thor]

Bartholomew Kuma (Thriller Bark status) vs Edward Newgate (MF status, lol)

The setting is Marineford. Every building is intact, no allies.
Kuma is on the execution platform.
Whitebeard is on the Moby Dick in the Bay.


This is a real toughie. Whitebeard has the most destructive ability in OP, but Kuma is a cyborg and has the ability to repel any attack (as far as we know). As much as I like both characters, I think think Kuma just might win if gets can cast his Ursus Shock a couple of times.

[Antares]

If Kuma's shockwaves consists of vibrations, then WB specializes in making / altering vibrations, right? I'm with Pops.

[El-Thor]

Why do you say WB can alter vibrations?
As far as we know, WB can only create earthquakes. Kuma's ability, on the other hand, is all about repulsion. It might even be possible for him to repel WBs attack.

I think Kuma has the advantage here because he can teleport to any given location and he can repel any attack coming at him. He can also shoot a laser at WB from a distance and I doubt an earthquake can block a laser beam.

[Poneglyph420]

While I do think Kuma would be able to injure and maybe slightly incapacitate WB, It's hard to imagine him taking out WB. Knowing that WB likely had superior control of all 3 "colors" of Haki on that alone i'd give WB a big advantage. Kuma was hit by Zoro at Thriller Bark to the point his cyborg bits were showing...

I see a slightly hurt WB and a shattered Kuma at the end of this one....

[kebuenowilly]

Pops takes out kuma with a tsunami. I don't think he can repel that.

[Fox666]

Well, the biggest advantage of Kuma is his Pacifista body. The walls of Marineford are probably made of the same material (and Whitebeard couldn't destroy them), so Whitebeard can't beat Kuma with the quakes like he did with John Giant.

Whitebeard is incredible durable. It would take a million of air bullets to take him down. Also, I think he can protect himself from Ursa Shock using quakes. However, the lasers can be very troublesome.

Whitebeard would need to use his bisento to kill Kuma. And Kuma teleport ability makes him good to dodge. So as long Kuma can maintain distance and shoot lasers, he will have the advantage. However, I don't think he would just kill Whitebeard shooting lasers from far distance...

[Antares]

Zoro can "touch" Kuma with his attack, even when Zoro's heavily wounded. So, Kuma's reaction speed is relatively reachable, unlike his body-movement speed. Ivankov had been showed attacking Kuma with his/her winks, so speed of light? Not really.

WB on the other hand, had been showed slashing Kizaru when preventing the admiral from reaching Luffy, even when the old man was at the same time facing Akainu. So i think WB can hold up in speed category, even when Kuma is much faster.


Why do you say WB can alter vibrations?
As far as we know, WB can only create earthquakes. Kuma's ability, on the other hand, is all about repulsion. It might even be possible for him to repel WBs attack.

I mean, in the SBS it's mentioned by Oda that WB is "vibration man". He can create quake. The definition of quake is vibration, right? Shaking? He can shake anything, even the air, revealed when Aokiji attacked him with raining ice blades, he shook the air and destroy the attack. So i think, if Ursa Shock is a shockwave like Strawhat experienced, and if a shockwave consists of vibrations in the air, WB can make quakes that overwhelm Kuma's shockwaves, and even alter the shockwaves' direction using his quakes. Because WB is a quack man.

Kuma can repel anything, but only using his hands, and only a "handful" at a time. WB can create a series of tsunamis by simple punches, even Kuma couldn't handle that massive scale of attack.

And what do you mean by MF status? Even by his old and sick before-dying situation, WB proved himself as the current strongest by the Marineford War. If by MF, you mean his prime when competing with Roger, there's no chance that Kuma would be able hurt him.

[El-Thor]

Iva attacking Kuma doesn't count, because that's post modification while Zoro's attack on Kuma was a surprise attack. In this battle Kuma is 100% serious and focused.

Also, Kuma's attacks do involve shock waves but they only have that effect when they go through the enemy. The only counter WB has is to try and negate them with his Quake Fruit and there's a chance he won't be able to at the rate Kuma can fire them (Zoro fight).
There's also no indication that Kuma can repel only a "handful" of things at a time. From what we've seen, he can repel as fast as his arms can move. And by the time the tsunami comes, he can fire off an ursus shock and blow away the waves and everything in a close proximity.
On top of all of that, Kuma's laser (this is a reply to Fox also) was shown to melt steel when Zoro dodged it. If that thing hits WB it won't be pretty.

By MF I meant Marineford Status :D

Kuma doesn't get no respect :(

[Antares]

There's also no indication that Kuma can repel only a "handful" of things at a time.

The scale of attack Kuma can do at a time is different. Kuma must focus his powers first for a while to make and compress a small baloon, release, and then there'll be a big explosion. WB on the other hand, just need to punch once to create a tsunamis and large-scale quakes. Kuma must rely on his speed to dodge/counter or he'll be in a pinch.


Iva attacking Kuma doesn't count, because that's post modification while Zoro's attack on Kuma was a surprise attack. In this battle Kuma is 100% serious and focused.

That's why i said Kuma's reaction is relatively normal. In a battle or war, everything is a surprise. If Kuma had been shown to be able to fall to those surprise attacks without proper counters, it shows that his battle skills haven't match his fruit. Thus strengthen my opinion of old WB's win.


On top of all of that, Kuma's laser (this is a reply to Fox also) was shown to melt steel when Zoro dodged it. If that thing hits WB it won't be pretty.

WB had tasted the original, Kizaru's laser. WB will be wounded because of Kuma's laser, but from what we've seen from this war, losing his face didn't even stop him.


Kuma doesn't get no respect

Don't get me wrong, Kuma is my favorite Shichibukai. But unfortunately, the opponent you presented to him is simply the strongest in the world.

[firework]

wb is old and not the type to move fast. Kuma sends him into the ocean, or kills him with long range ursus. he'd deflect any quakes

[BabyAnderson]

Why do you say WB can alter vibrations?
As far as we know, WB can only create earthquakes. Kuma's ability, on the other hand, is all about repulsion. It might even be possible for him to repel WBs attack.

I think Kuma has the advantage here because he can teleport to any given location and he can repel any attack coming at him. He can also shoot a laser at WB from a distance and I doubt an earthquake can block a laser beam.

You're insulting WB. He fists can perform air quakes on a person. He did exactly that to Akainu. His technique and Haki will cancel out everything Kuma throws at him. The end.

[Junior]

I give it to Whitebeard.

I'm more than certain that he could deal with Kuma.

[beastboy]

WB would just Take everything that Kuma could give him head on, and get a chance to 1 shot him with the Bisento+Quake!

[p1xel]

WB wins,he is stronger than him,he would destroy everything with earthquake.Simply he is one of the strongest characters.Probably BB would lose too.

[Lord.Strife]

Whitebeard wins hands down. Hes is fkn old and he is still the strongest man in the world.

Fighting with gold roger in his prime.

It take the marines and 7 shikiba to keep the new world in check. Look what happened when one yonkou got pissed off the level of power difference is monstrous.

I like the fact that mihawk attacked first and said i am measuring the distance. I took that as i am testing my power against wbs not as actual distance.

[Franckie]

WB wins, but Kuma is going to give him a run for his money. Kuma is hard to damage thanks to his cyborg body and his "teleportation" ability.