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The Underscore
September 16, 2010, 03:11 PM
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Bleach chapter 419, Deicide 21 [Transcendent God Rock], after being rated by 53 voters gets an average score of:

7.7

Great


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Aizen just kept falling and falling from his position as invincible God, to overpowered Hollow. The thing that made Aizen turn into a monstrosity, is the topic of last week's poll. Last week, Aizen suddenly transformed, much to his own surprise. Where his other evolutions were sought out, his latest evolution was caused by the Hougyoku's desire not to lose to a mere human. Or at least that's what Aizen thought. Well then, is this a sign of the Hougyoku taking things over now? Here's what you guys thought:
Three voters don't think the Hougyoku is taking over for Aizen. They probably believe that the Hougyoku is just protecting its master, or itself through Aizen, but Aizen is still in charge. Besides, how could someone like Aizen be manipulated by an inanimate object, even if it has a soul?
Ten voters plain didn't care about this. Whether the Hougyoku takes over or not, things are moving along whether they like it, or not. So who cares? The other sixty-three voters, apparently ;).
25 voters weren't sure whether the Hougyoku is taking over or not. There have been some signs that could prove this theory to be true, then again, there's more than enough proof to say otherwise. "Maybe" is the safest way to go in this case.
35 voters, however, answered the poll with a yes. The monster we saw last week only wore a part of Aizen's visage, but it wasn't the good old Aizen they loved (to hate). The Hougyoku probably had enough of having to transform Aizen so often in such a short time, so he might as well take the body out for a spin to see where it gets him...



Revelation
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Aizen showed a vibrant display of power last week after what seems to be his final transformation. Where Ichigo was capable of crushing a 90's level Hadou with his bare hands, Aizen's final transformation gave him enough power to actually injure Ichigo, be it only slightly. Aizen wanted to finish Ichigo off with what seemed an evolved form of a Cero, but Ichigo was done playing with Aizen. He threw Aizen off and promised us the Final Getsuga Tenshou. The traditional black reiatsu that is fired by Ichigo's Tensa Zangetsu suddenly starts pouring out from Ichigo's right arm as Aizen witnesses something incredible. Where we only see Aizen's face from Ichigo's perspective, Aizen looks as Ichigo as he can't help but wonder what "that form" is. At this point we could expect to see a new Visored form for Ichigo, but before we get to see Ichigo's new form, we finally learn how he obtained it.



Path to ascension
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With vertical becoming horizontal, falling down gets a bit tricky, you know?

The first thing we see in the flashback of Ichigo's training is that Ichigo's Tensa Zangetsu suddenly snaps. After weeks, months, of beating, the blade finally broke. But breaking Tensa Zangetsu isn't enough for Arrancar Zangetsu, as he blasts Ichigo into one of the buildings. But Ichigo won't stay down for long as he immediately repositions himself away from his opponent. Where Ichigo started his training in despair, Ichigo now looks more like he did after facing off against Aizen a couple of chapters ago. More collected and focused, though this isn't shown in his inner-world. I'm not entirely sure what Kubo wanted to show with this as the current state of Ichigo's inner world suggests he's still drowning in despair. While the purpose of defeating Arrancar Zangetsu is to crush that which brings Ichigo despair and to obtain the Final Getsuga Tenshou in one go, I would expect some gradual changes reflected in Ichigo's inner world. Either way, Ichigo still doesn't give up, even after weeks of fighting.
Perhaps all the fighting is what caused Ichigo's behavior to change like this. Ichigo has proven to develop best during fights, so after fighting for a couple of weeks straight it isn't too strange for him to have learned to use a poker-face as he does here. Then again, Ichigo's determination may be the reason he looks like this, as he tells Arrancar Zangetsu he won't fall until he obtains the Final Getsuga Tenshou. In spite of this determination, which Old-man Zangetsu once yearned for, Arrancar Zangetsu isn't willing to give his master the power of the Final Getsuga Tenshou.
Arrancar Zangetsu charges towards Ichigo, who starts thinking about his current situation. No matter how you look at it, Ichigo is at a disadvantage at this point. He's been fighting for weeks and Arrancar Zangetsu doesn't even have a scratch on him. Arrancar Zangetsu is so powerful, that he would be able to easily defeat Ichigo if he wanted to. In spite of him not wanting to teach Ichigo, he still faces him in a fight instead of rejecting him from Ichigo's inner world. But all Ichigo senses from Arrancar Zangetsu's blade is sadness. Once again, Ichigo shows us that he has the ability to read his opponent through the clashing of Zanpakutou, though since he fought Gin he has been able to use this during the battles, instead of interpreting after the fights. After reading Arrancar Zangetsu's heart, Ichigo makes a bold decision.



Suicide?
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Ichigo throws away what remains of his blade, much to Arrancar Zangetsu's surprise. As Arrancar Zangetsu's blade pierces Ichigo, he gives Ichigo his compliments. Arrancar Zangetsu then tells Ichigo that the Final Getsuga Tenshou isn't acquired by only accepting his blade. Though it is strange for Arrancar Zangetsu to say something like this to the master he just stabbed, we suddenly see Ichigo in prime condition. Not only that, Ichigo tells Arrancar Zangetsu that the blade in his chest doesn't even hurt. Arrancar Zangetsu then explains that it only makes sense that it doesn't hurt. The Tensa Zangetsu he wields is Ichigo, so as long as he accepts himself there is no reason he would feel any pain. In spite of his master being safe, Zangetsu starts crying.
Ichigo asks Zangetsu why he's crying, though he probably already knows the answer deep down inside. Zangetsu then refers to the moment the battle for the Final Getsuga Tenshou started. Here, Zangetsu revealed he didn't want to protect what Ichigo wanted to protect. It was already quite obvious that Zangetsu was referring to Ichigo at this time, but now we know for sure. The moment he tells Ichigo that he was protecting Ichigo, the ocean of despair starts disappearing. Perhaps this was the natural result of Zangetsu's defeat, though this may also be Ichigo who finally realizes that even his inner-Hollow was set on protecting him. Nonetheless, Ichigo is surprised to hear this remarkable answer. As he asks Zangetsu for an explanation, he learns that the answer will come to him eventually along with the way to obtain the Final Getsuga Tenshou. For the answer had always been inside of him...



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We then witness what Aizen saw at the start of this chapter. When Arrancar Zangetsu said acquiring his blade wasn't enough, he wasn't kidding. The Final Getsuga Tenshou isn't just another blast of Reiatsu, it is Ichigo becoming the Getsuga himself. But not just becoming the attack, as Ichigo is wrapped in bandages and his hair turned black, but turning his being into the attack. First thing to note is the fact that this Getsuga Ichigo has all of the essential basics Zangetsu had. The cloth wrapped around Ichigo is the combination of the Bankai transformation with the cloth he had on the Shikai. I was actually quite pleased to see how Kubo used the cloth for this final transformation. But unlike the other two Zanpakutou forms, this one doesn't have a blade anymore. It almost seems as if Ichigo's right arm has now become like El Brazo Derecho del Diablo, as opposed to Chad's left arm :amuse. But to emphasize the Bankai's part of the power, the black reiatsu it used to emit is swirling around Ichigo.
Then there's the aspect of the two beings inside of Ichigo: Zangetsu. Both the Old-man and Shirosaki are a part of Zangetsu, though only Shirosaki manifested itself more notably in Ichigo's appearance through the form of a mask and even Hollowfication at certain times. But now Ichigo's body transformed only at the hair, which has grown long -same as Ichigonator- and black -same as Old-man Zangetsu- showing that Ichigo has accepted both sides of his power and has now become one with his Zanpakutou.
In this sense, Aizen was right. A couple of chapters he did explain that beings who truly evolved became attached to their Zanpakutou. I'd say Ichigo has pushed it to the extreme in this case. Perhaps Aizen can find some comfort in this fact. But why would Zangetsu be so reluctant to give Ichigo this power? He did mention that he had to obtain more than just Zangetsu's blade and Ichigo already said that he had to become the Getsuga. Ichigo then reveals, what many of you already predicted, that he has to sacrifice all his Shinigami powers in order to use this Final Getsuga Tenshou, explaining why it is the final one.
While I was somewhat reluctant to accept this outcome, it was probably the most logical one. The only issue with this development is simple: Isshin. Isshin knew of the Final Getsuga Tenshou and most likely used it once before. Looking at the force Ichigo has at this time, we can only wonder whether Isshin had a strength similar to that before he became a husband and then a father. But more importantly: what would force him to use such excessive force to begin with? But I digress, let's see what the target of this Final Getsuga Tenshou thinks of the entity that will destroy him.



Utter defeat
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While Ichigo explains he is planning to sacrifice all his powers in order to defeat Aizen, Aizen's mind is working in overdrive. Even though Ichigo's power is obviously greater than he can perceive, the fact that he can't perceive it concerns him more than Ichigo's revelation. Aizen explains that he evolved into a being that surpassed the dimension where humans, Shinigami, and Hollows live, making it impossible for them to even sense him unless he lowered himself to their level. He compares it to him being in a third dimension, where Shinigami and Hollows are in the second dimension. But if he can't sense anything from Ichigo, where he can sense everything from the third dimension and lower, it would mean that Ichigo has achieved a completely different level of power. Ichigo has achieved a power on a completely different level from Aizen in this short period of time, be it at a far greater price.
In just over 16 years, Ichigo managed to obtain everything Aizen has worked for during decades, centuries. If this were to happen to you, you'd be agitated as well, wouldn't you? Aizen can't keep his frustration hidden anymore as he starts yelling and screaming how he shouldn't have been beaten by something so low as a human. With this, everything that Aizen was has been destroyed. From the grand mastermind who predicted everything, manipulated everything in order for him to obtain the ultimate power to overthrow the spirit king, he has been degraded to an antagonist turned monster and mad. Truly, this has been a painful sight over the course of these chapters. All that is left of Aizen is a shell of his former grandeur. Aizen has now become... Hollow.



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When faced with a Hollow, it is a Shinigami's duty to strike him down for the sake of protecting other souls, no matter the price. Aizen, turned Hollow, is now faced by Ichigo, who is sacrificing his Shinigami powers in order to defeat him. The chained moon is now unchained, causing it to fall from the sky as it crashes down upon Ichigo's opponent, turning the night sky dark for the rest of time. The same moonless sky appears in Soul Society as the darkness devours everything as Ichigo reveals the true name of the Final Getsuga Tenshou: Mugetsu. Is this enough to defeat Aizen for good? Is this massive explosion of black Reiatsu truly the Final Getsuga Tenshou? Is Ichigo's hair turning black a sign that there won't be any Bleach in the future? Time will tell...




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Before going into this chapter, let's take a quick look at my prediction from last week:

Next week, Ichigo will start off with firing off the Final Getsuga Tenshou. Aizen will probably notice the way the chain around Ichigo's arm is disappearing during the first three or four pages. Then we'll see a reaction from Aizen, as Ichigo thinks back on what made the Final Getsuga Tenshou so dangerous that Zangetsu wouldn't want to teach him. Ichigo then fires off the Final Getsuga Tenshou, giving us a two page spread of its devastating effect. The chapter will end with Aizen completely destroyed, leaving only the Hougyoku, which will hover in the place Aizen once stood. Ichigo will then take the Hougyoku, leaving us with the cliffhanger of what will happen now as Aizen (seemingly) has met his end....
The week after that, we might get a bit of information from Ichigo, possibly seeing the side-effects of the Final Getsuga Tenshou (such as a permanent sacrifice of Ichigo's reiatsu, which even Orihime's Santen Kesshun has trouble recovering) as the scene changes to Las Noches. Here, we will Orihime and Ishida going to the place Aizen hid the Hougyoku Orihime saw. As the two arrive in the hidden chamber, they will find more than just the crumbling crystal...
Somehow I don't seem to be too far off if you ask me. Sure, some things have been turned around a bit, but that doesn't change the fact that most of the prediction did come true. Hopefully I'm right about this not being the end for Bleach just yet :amuse. But enough on the predictions, let's take get to the overview of this chapter.
The Mugetsu as a concept is great if you ask me. The power was what you would expect from an evolved being sacrificing everything he has. The price for the attack is rather steep, but Isshin is living proof that this doesn't have to be the end. Though there might be a catch, which I'll cover in the next section. The flashback to Ichigo's training was predictable as well as the result of that training. But then again, I wouldn't have wanted it any other way. This is the most logical way for Kubo to stop Aizen as it incorporates plenty of things that were shown throughout the story. From the way Shinigami obtain great power by becoming one with their Zanpakutou, to the way the Final Getsuga Tenshou is probably related to why Isshin became human. Though not a spectacular way to end things parse, it was the only option that would fit in principle.
Then there's Aizen. Though part of me is disappointed at what has become of him, I can also appreciate what happened to him. Bleach started out with Shinigami and Hollows and this chapter ended the same way. But in this case Aizen was the Hollow. Going from a great Shinigami to a egomaniacal monster obsessed with power which destroyed everything he ever was, same as what happens to all spirits that turn into Hollows. Because of the way this ties in I can appreciate this on some level. But perhaps a bigger part of me is disappointed about the fact that Aizen turned out this way.
I guess I can only state the obvious about this chapter. It was awesomely bad, or horrifically good if you will. Everything that happened made sense on the one hand, while it really seems like plot-kai on the other hand. Honestly I can't choose yet. Time will tell... let's see whether the discussions can persuade me either way.


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Mugetsu was the final Getsuga Tenshou, which was final due to it sacrificing all of Ichigo's Shinigami powers. We know that Isshin became a human at some point and he even suggested that he used a Mugetsu as well. But in spite of this, he eventually turned up as a Shinigami, using a Getsuga Tenshou against Aizen during this arc as well. This gives me three things to make your heads spin:
1) Does this mean Ichigo will have to regain all of his powers again during a new arc, where we will finally learn how he actually obtained his Bankai and Hollow control in the first place?
2) Will Ichigo still be able to turn into a Shinigami, but have a permanently sealed Zangetsu which he can use for nothing but Getsuga Tenshou's?
3)Ichigo said he had to give up his Shinigami powers, could this mean that he will only have Hollow powers left after this (and possibly become the villain himself) or did he just use the term Shinigami powers to describe them both?


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I'd say that last week's prediction could still fit and I'm sticking with that one. Just change the order a bit and you'll see that it still works as a prediction. But I'll throw in two more predictions for the heck of it.

The first one is my least favorite and I'd say most of you would agree. After this chapter ends, we will get one final chapter for Bleach. In this chapter, Yammy will come to an end along with Las Noches. Everyone will meet up with Ichigo who will have passed out after using Mugetsu. Ichigo will wake up a couple of weeks after these events where he will learn what happened afterwards. Ichigo will have lost his ability to see ghosts along with his Shinigami powers, forcing Rukia (and Renji) to visit him in their Gigai for one last time. Rukia and Ichigo will have to part ways for good this time, as she wipes his memory clean. Ichigo then picks up his life from where it was before the mess with Shinigami happened. As we learn that Ichigo is treated differently by some of his friends (Orihime, Chad, and Ishida) he will comment on how he hasn't seen ghosts for a while. The rest of the town also had their memories swiped by the Gotei 13, bringing peace to Karakura town once more. But on the last page we catch a hint that Ichigo is capable of seeing ghosts again, as he gets a request from a small girl with a chain on her chest as some ruffians kicked a tribute to her...

This second prediction is my personal favorite, even though it doesn't have Ichigo either... In the after wakes of the final battle between Ichigo and Aizen, the people who were awake in Karakura town are trapped. Only a single boy is capable of moving a bit. He then hears a man's voice as he turns around to find a Shinigami with an afro. The Shinigami offers the young boy a part of his powers, so that he can help his friends in this time of need. The boy looks around as he sees the people close to them in dire need and then decides to go along with the Shinigami's request. Before the Shinigami gives the boy his powers, he introduces himself to the boy as Zennosuke Kurumadani. The boy then gives his own name, before thrusting a Zanpakutou through himself: Asano Keigo...

That’s it for this week’s review. I hope you guys enjoyed it even if there is bound to be a lot more to be covered. Be sure to let me know what your thoughts are on this week’s chapter and/or review. I'm really curious what you guys think about this chapter as my head is still spinning a bit after reading it :amuse. I know, I know, how could I, The Underscore Mask, fail you like this? Well, the chapter blew me away and when I fell, the mask cracked a bit. So until I find some superglue I'll have to do with this mediocre Underscore level of reviewing -perhaps lower than that-, so help a reviewer out by letting me know your thoughts. Also, give any theories that you may have and vote in this week’s poll. Don’t forget to rate this week’s chapter! I’ll see you guys again next week! The Underscore will be coming back soon enough as well!


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Click on the picture above to rate this week’s chapter, and as a reminder here’s what the ratings are:
1.0: Abysmal
1.1 - 3.4: Awful
3.5.-5.4: Bad
5.5-6.9: Average
7.0-8.9: Great
9.0-9.9: Awesome
10: Perfect


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I forgot about TBTP, but that was still only, what, 12 chapters? Put all the extras together and that's a little over 15, I think. So maybe 3%. Still, it's a very significant fraction.

TBTP, I could understand giving the same name to it, since it was a break from the current story for an extended flashback. But this run of Deicides is just absurd.

Madara saying he pushed Yahiko to start Akatsuki, nice plot twist. Very nice one, IMO.

Madara saying he gave Nagato the Rinnegan? WTF? Where the hell did he get it? Madara could just be BSing Konan. Wouldn't be the first time he did it (remember what he told Sasuke about the Kyuubi attack?).

Notice though, I didn't say Naruto was picking up the slack, I said Negima. As is Mahou Sensei Negima, an entirely different manga.

And yes, I do like seeing Konan kick ass. Much better than the worthless PoS that Sakura became. I really thought she;d be more awesome. After Sasori she just totally crapped out.

Taking a second look at the chapter, Aizen's wound regeneration did see a ton more Hollow-like, kinda like Wonderweiss'. I didn't notice that until just now.

Finally, your reviews need more line breaks.

Deicide just keeps rolling and rolling... if these Deicides run into the ten percent of the chapters, I, The Underscore Mask, will be around for a long looo~~ng time... (I don't think Sogeking made enough appearances for me to make awesome intros to my, better than The Underscore's because I have a mask, reviews. )
As for the Negima picking up the slack, I thought you were also referring to the other titles after that which is why I ranted about Naruto last week :amuse. I agree on the Negima part by the way ;).
As for the line breaks... Once I start my endless ranting I can't help but writing down all my thoughts. It's like rolling a boulder from a hill. It starts off slowly, but once it gets rolling it's hard to stop and you just have to hope that it ends up where you intended to instead of against the side of a truck! :p


Thanks, Hollowfied Underscore. :amuse
You make a good point about certain themes that may be more..reminiscent than others. It's just that I remember enjoying the series more for having its own form of organized chaos...It's a pain to read through ones that seem so familiar. :darn

I remember reading a comment that questioned why Yamamoto would use a suicidal shikai technique as opposed to bankai...That came to mind with Aizen in the Deicide chapters. Aizen's transformations, as fierce as they are, haven't exactly shook the series like the Captain-Commander or the Monstrous Ichigo in terms of taking it to new levels, at least not just yet IMO (not to compare Yama and Hollow Ichigo but you get the point).

I remember Aizen's KS being the biggest deal so I really don't see why something like Aizen's bankai not being used from Gin's betrayal onwards THEN for the Hogyoku to really show its power. After all, Aizen should exhaust his shinigami self before really showing new heights of power, I think. HOPEFULLY, this is Kubo saving the best for last...:toc
Ahh, at the time I wasn't on my personal computer where I have some of the more recent manga sites bookmarked. Unfortunately, their names really don't stick out like One Manga did/does. It helps to have the volumes at hand for reference sake and if it weren't for other fans and sites like Bleach Wikia, I'd refer to a whole lot of characters as 'What's-Their-Face(s)' :sweatdrop
Rereading the same stories over and over again can be a bit bland, even if they are put in a different cover... Bleach is the fifth anime/manga I got into, (DBZ, Pokémon (so sue me), FMA, and Naruto coming before that respectively) so on some level most of it was new to me. Especially the idea of Shinigami was something I hadn't really come across. Take the table thrown for joke purposes with that and the story just grew on me :amuse.

As for why Yamamoto used the suicidal hadou instead of his Bankai. He was pretty burnt up at the time, and perhaps his Bankai requires him to wield something big, which might be hard in the state he was in at that time. Besides, Aizen was prepared for something like the Bankai as he had shown with Wonderweiss, so the hadou was a better bet at that time. But I agree that not even Aizen gave me the feel that Genryuusai did the first time he showed full force against his pupils...

Kyouka Suigetsu suddenly losing its importance is rather strange.... Maybe it will play a part soon...
As for the what's his face characters... I'll have to admit that I The Underscore stumbles across that problem as well at times :amuse.

SaintSheik
September 16, 2010, 04:16 PM
With vertical becoming horizontal, falling down gets a bit tricky, you know?

Plotkai... that's the most obvious/popular explanationI lol'd...That and someone is running out of not-so-Underscore titles for their reviews..Take a page from Kubo's book and feel free to use the same title for nearly five months :amuse..Anyway this was quite the review for a pretty beautiful chapter in my opinion. Back when I thought the Deicide chapters/arc was coming to an end, I thought that Gin's change of character and eventual death was the peak but seeing Zangetsu's intentions revealed was something else. Impressive, sure, but like most fans I didn't think much of it seeing how I'm a snake and blah blah :ginbo;) But back to the actual review, the tone I got from you was that the battle, if not the story, was actually over. I gave up on hopeful conclusions because the last time I thought that, Hitsugaya ended up stabbing Hinamori and ended up losing limbs moments later. But anyway, I just want to point out that the end of your review reminded me a bit about early Bleach.

Whether it was Kubo's intention or not, the sacrificial aspect of Ichigo obtaining the FGT reminded me of how shinigami (Rukia/Ichigo) put themselves on the line against whatever they have to (Fishbone D/Monster Aizen) for the sake of protecting what they have to protect (Ichigo/The World).

Obviously, Zangetsu would be reluctant to teach Ichigo the technique because from what I make of it, he would be gone. But just to clarify, I keep on hearing that he'd lose his shinigami powers...Would this effect his hollow side at all now that he merged or what? Regardless, there are a plethora of things to explore before this series can be considered finished. That and this would seem more anticlimactic than Hitsugaya's would be death blow to Aizen that I brought up earlier.

All in all, I think Aizen is just a mess to think about now. The Hogyoku, however, has been built up as an entity in its own right. It could be a possible tool in restoring Ichigo's powers among other things but the way that Kubo pushed it forward during the Deicide chapters, I believe that there is so much more to be covered....I didn't bring up Isshin because I have theories for the big guy for days. Not giving anything away here but seeing how Naruto and Bleach have been going, I think the little One Piece goes a long way for everyone, though the OP themes in these reviews are much appreciated :amuse That and I'd rather not end up being one of the first and last posters in the review threads AGAIN this time around (What ever happened to that posts that were not forgotten section..thingy :darn

LordZet
September 16, 2010, 06:42 PM
Meh, I wonder who the next overpowered villain will be. Kubo has already stated Aizen isn't the final villain and bleach still has a few more arcs left. I hope it ends soon.

ichigoaizenkiller
September 16, 2010, 08:43 PM
great review agian undescore(whoops i mean masked underscore)but i have to disagree with u in that why does ichigo have to revert back to a regluar soul why cant he stay the way he is and continue the story aizen has to have a back up plan i mean this is aizen where talking about.

iam interesting in hearing your take on this question what if ichigo doesn't turn back into a normal human and has to remain the way he is.

Super Angillis
September 16, 2010, 10:08 PM
So is next week going to be Almost The Underscore's turn?

I don't think things are over. Hopefully we'll see Yammy agian. Or rather Kenpachi fighting Yammy wiith Byakuya. There are also a few Checkov's Gun's that need to be fired, namly the Spirt King, and Squad Zero. And right now the SS has been greatly weakened, and even if everyone lives, they will need time to recover from their wounds. It would be a perfect time for even an enemy weaker than Aizen to strike.

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September 17, 2010, 02:38 AM
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I lol'd...That and someone is running out of not-so-Underscore titles for their reviews..Take a page from Kubo's book and feel free to use the same title for nearly five months :amuse..Anyway this was quite the review for a pretty beautiful chapter in my opinion. Back when I thought the Deicide chapters/arc was coming to an end, I thought that Gin's change of character and eventual death was the peak but seeing Zangetsu's intentions revealed was something else. Impressive, sure, but like most fans I didn't think much of it seeing how I'm a snake and blah blah :ginbo;) But back to the actual review, the tone I got from you was that the battle, if not the story, was actually over. I gave up on hopeful conclusions because the last time I thought that, Hitsugaya ended up stabbing Hinamori and ended up losing limbs moments later. But anyway, I just want to point out that the end of your review reminded me a bit about early Bleach.

Whether it was Kubo's intention or not, the sacrificial aspect of Ichigo obtaining the FGT reminded me of how shinigami (Rukia/Ichigo) put themselves on the line against whatever they have to (Fishbone D/Monster Aizen) for the sake of protecting what they have to protect (Ichigo/The World).

Obviously, Zangetsu would be reluctant to teach Ichigo the technique because from what I make of it, he would be gone. But just to clarify, I keep on hearing that he'd lose his shinigami powers...Would this effect his hollow side at all now that he merged or what? Regardless, there are a plethora of things to explore before this series can be considered finished. That and this would seem more anticlimactic than Hitsugaya's would be death blow to Aizen that I brought up earlier.

All in all, I think Aizen is just a mess to think about now. The Hogyoku, however, has been built up as an entity in its own right. It could be a possible tool in restoring Ichigo's powers among other things but the way that Kubo pushed it forward during the Deicide chapters, I believe that there is so much more to be covered....I didn't bring up Isshin because I have theories for the big guy for days. Not giving anything away here but seeing how Naruto and Bleach have been going, I think the little One Piece goes a long way for everyone, though the OP themes in these reviews are much appreciated :amuse That and I'd rather not end up being one of the first and last posters in the review threads AGAIN this time around (What ever happened to that posts that were not forgotten section..thingy :darn

I know, I know, I forgot to add the "but NOT" part in the title. But I only had 7 hours of sleep in the 48 hours before writing this review as you may have seen, the chapter blew me away so much that my mask cracked a bit, which is bad for masked reviewers. It's the same reason why I forgot to add the 'Posts that were lost, but not forgotten' section, even though I already wrote something before :sweatdrop.

Glad you enjoyed the read in spite of the crack in the mask ;). The reason I wrote this review with the tone of this being the end is because that's exactly the same thing Kubo wants to tell us. No matter how you look at it, he is trying to show us that the moon disappeared from the sky now, or in other words, Ichigo lost his (Shinigami) powers. Bleach without Ichigo has been proven to be a bit dull in the long run, so without his powers, what can we expect?

The parallel of this chapter to the beginning of Bleach was one I intended to make, even though I didn't write it out as extensively as I wanted. But Bleach has been going back to the basics throughout the Deicide arc, and this chapter isn't an exception.

The thing with Zangetsu being lost forever is that I don't really buy it. Zangetsu is Ichigo. Yes the representation of his Shinigami powers, but Ichigo nonetheless. Ichigo being the protagonist makes me think we'll be seeing Zangetsu again, given that Ichigo becomes a Shinigami once more.

As for the Isshin theory, you got me curious now ;). Is it something you don't want to share in general, or just don't want to post in a thread yet? Other people have sent me The Underscore their theories in a PM before, so feel free to do so at any time ;).... The Underscore can pass the same PM's to me as well! (last minute save :amuse).
And the last reply part. I know I'm bad with replying. Now that I've got a job it'll probably go on like that, hence the reviews actually having to come on the Saturdays starting next week :sweatdrop. Let's see if I can trade in Bleach for some sleep during the weekdays :amuse.


Meh, I wonder who the next overpowered villain will be. Kubo has already stated Aizen isn't the final villain and bleach still has a few more arcs left. I hope it ends soon.

The obvious contender would have to be the Hougyoku. It has been said to be indestructible for quite some time. Fusing with Aizen may have given it an egomaniacal drive to obtain God-hood or something :amuse.


great review agian undescore(whoops i mean masked underscore)but i have to disagree with u in that why does ichigo have to revert back to a regluar soul why cant he stay the way he is and continue the story aizen has to have a back up plan i mean this is aizen where talking about.

iam interesting in hearing your take on this question what if ichigo doesn't turn back into a normal human and has to remain the way he is.

Thanks.
The reason why Ichigo has to turn into a regular soul has to do with the Mugetsu. I agree that Aizen most likely has a backup plan (see last week's prediction in the overview section). But that won't change the fact that Ichigo just sacrificed his Shinigami powers in this week's chapter.

But if Ichigo somehow manages to retain his Shinigami powers, and only fired a major part of his Reiatsu reserves, I'd say that the Hougyoku might end up devouring all of Ichigo's reiatsu. Even though Aizen couldn't perceive the dimension where Ichigo's power was in, the Hougyoku might still be able to absorb it to transform Aizen/itself. That power might be enough for Aizen to obtain the power to enter the King's realm without the Ouken, or maybe that will be what triggers the Ouken's creation.


So is next week going to be Almost The Underscore's turn?

I don't think things are over. Hopefully we'll see Yammy agian. Or rather Kenpachi fighting Yammy wiith Byakuya. There are also a few Checkov's Gun's that need to be fired, namly the Spirt King, and Squad Zero. And right now the SS has been greatly weakened, and even if everyone lives, they will need time to recover from their wounds. It would be a perfect time for even an enemy weaker than Aizen to strike.

It all depends on the chapter's title :). If it's another Deicide, it will be another Underscore Mask review as The Underscore swore he stopped reviewing the Deicide chapters after "The End". Perhaps next week will be "Almost, but NOT quite yet, The Underscore's Bleach review 421, Deicide 23" :amuse.

There's plenty for Bleach to cover, I agree. We'll just have to see whether Aizen needs some time to pull himself together this time, or whether something completely different will happen. Maybe Ichigo threaded into the Spirit King's realm with his power, causing panic in the King's realm, making enemies of them :p.

wooticus
September 17, 2010, 03:15 AM
Very nice review as always!

Well but i'm gonna say that your prediction might be far away from what will happen this time :D

i also thought about bleach ending after that, but it can't be finished in one chapter yet, not because of things like spirit king, zero division etc., i think this manga can finish without revealing every last secret. But there's one thing that can't be left out: the hogyokou. Nobody was able to destroy it in any way yet, so there's no prove that - let's call it muchigo - also destroys it with aizen. The hog belonged to this manga far from the beginning and we don't know yet what exactly it is.

No, here is my prediction:

We got Aizen's hogyokou, we got uraharas. Let's say the aizen one is the hog of darkness, the dark one, while urahara made the white one. both of them together formed the perfect one, a bit in a yin and yang way. Various flashbacks already told us that aizen tried to present souls to the hog but it wasn't enough, well right now hog is between a battle of the 2 possible strongest spiritual being around there. i say with mugetsu power clashing against everything aizen has the hogyokou will absorb this power and then altering his shape to make him a person himself. i say the final villain will be the hogyokou himself in the shape of a shinigami/zanpaktou/human/whatever being. i can't say anything about "it's" goals yet but i think it used aizen so that he gather enough power for the hog.

some other reasons bleach can't end yet: i have stopped counting but orihime has to restore at least 10 severed arms if not more yet. :D

Daneb
September 17, 2010, 03:45 AM
Hey,i lurk for a long time your reviews,..or let me say, i lurk underscores reviews for a long time, your ,underscore mask, obviously not for so long :P
and IF the Bleach manga ends, i want to say goodby and ty for the reviews,...

ok that was what i wanted to say,....
about that chapter, hmm:
My thoughts are all about Ishin - Ichigo - FinalGetsugaTenshou
i was thinking what was the reason foor Ishin to use such a power? I mean to use the final getsuga tenshou?<.< aint there gotei13 ? why should ishin sacrife his powers? And WHO was strong enough that "such" a power was needed in the first play?

Ishin has restored his powers right? Why he doesnt he use Final GEtsuga Tenshou with his "Engetsu" a second time (yy, second time is lame :S, and Ichigo is the protagonist)

one more thing, After achieving the F.G.Tenshou training (before transform into getsuga) ichigo become stronger than the whole gotei 13, except the commander (maybe). Why was ishin not as strong as ichigo? he could kick his ass 10 chapter before :S he went through the same thing as ichi right?

more thoughts :S
How did he know about the final form of the zanpakutou? Is it a special group :tenshou group?(<.< i loled at that xD) okok,Zangetsu->Son / Engetsu -> Father, still curious,...

in the end i dont think it will end here :S to many questions are still open,...ichi is the son of a shinigami and ... ? and...? we dont know,...maybe hollow :S, uff,.. Ishin is dirty xD

ok im out, enough atm^^

The Newbie.
September 17, 2010, 02:38 PM
Nice review Underscore, but I really doubt that this is the end. Kubo has confirmed that after the Arrancar arc (Karakura, Hueco Mundo, Fake Karakura) there would be two more arcs, a small one (Could be Deicide) and a big one. Kubo also confirmed years ago and more recently a few months ago with the 2nd Databook that all the information around the Royal Guard and Isshin would be explored after the current arc.
We still have more characters to see as someone said above, plot points set just a year ago to finish. Bleach won't end in a year, Deicide will :D, I want the real Underscore back, I don't trust the guy in the mask.

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Very nice review as always!

Well but i'm gonna say that your prediction might be far away from what will happen this time :D

i also thought about bleach ending after that, but it can't be finished in one chapter yet, not because of things like spirit king, zero division etc., i think this manga can finish without revealing every last secret. But there's one thing that can't be left out: the hogyokou. Nobody was able to destroy it in any way yet, so there's no prove that - let's call it muchigo - also destroys it with aizen. The hog belonged to this manga far from the beginning and we don't know yet what exactly it is.

No, here is my prediction:

We got Aizen's hogyokou, we got uraharas. Let's say the aizen one is the hog of darkness, the dark one, while urahara made the white one. both of them together formed the perfect one, a bit in a yin and yang way. Various flashbacks already told us that aizen tried to present souls to the hog but it wasn't enough, well right now hog is between a battle of the 2 possible strongest spiritual being around there. i say with mugetsu power clashing against everything aizen has the hogyokou will absorb this power and then altering his shape to make him a person himself. i say the final villain will be the hogyokou himself in the shape of a shinigami/zanpaktou/human/whatever being. i can't say anything about "it's" goals yet but i think it used aizen so that he gather enough power for the hog.

some other reasons bleach can't end yet: i have stopped counting but orihime has to restore at least 10 severed arms if not more yet. :D

Thanks. Saying my predictions will be far off this time might just be right, but don't forget about the one posted in the overview section. The scene could change to Hueco Mundo where a second Hougyoku might start acting up... Then again, your prediction also mentions that the Hougyoku in Aizen's chest might absorb the Mugetsu in order to power up. Taking that and plenty of other unsolved issues into account, Bleach has plenty to go over. Then again, this wouldn't be the first manga to leave things unfinished in the end...


Hey,i lurk for a long time your reviews,..or let me say, i lurk underscores reviews for a long time, your ,underscore mask, obviously not for so long :P
and IF the Bleach manga ends, i want to say goodby and ty for the reviews,...

ok that was what i wanted to say,....
about that chapter, hmm:
My thoughts are all about Ishin - Ichigo - FinalGetsugaTenshou
i was thinking what was the reason foor Ishin to use such a power? I mean to use the final getsuga tenshou?<.< aint there gotei13 ? why should ishin sacrife his powers? And WHO was strong enough that "such" a power was needed in the first play?

Ishin has restored his powers right? Why he doesnt he use Final GEtsuga Tenshou with his "Engetsu" a second time (yy, second time is lame :S, and Ichigo is the protagonist)

one more thing, After achieving the F.G.Tenshou training (before transform into getsuga) ichigo become stronger than the whole gotei 13, except the commander (maybe). Why was ishin not as strong as ichigo? he could kick his ass 10 chapter before :S he went through the same thing as ichi right?

more thoughts :S
How did he know about the final form of the zanpakutou? Is it a special group :tenshou group?(<.< i loled at that xD) okok,Zangetsu->Son / Engetsu -> Father, still curious,...

in the end i dont think it will end here :S to many questions are still open,...ichi is the son of a shinigami and ... ? and...? we dont know,...maybe hollow :S, uff,.. Ishin is dirty xD

ok im out, enough atm^^

Lurking is one of my favorite pastimes here on mangahelpers :amuse, but good of you to post here now. Assuming you've read The Underscore's reviews, you probably read all four of mine, The Underscore Mask's ;). Don't bid me farewell just yet, though. Might bring bad luck :amuse.

The fact that Isshin regained his Shinigami powers, yet was unable to use a Final Getsuga Tenshou of his own is rather peculiar. Then again, let's think back to the first time Isshin showed up in his Shinigami outfit. Here, Urahara apologized for if his Gigai caused Isshin to experience difficulty concerning his power. But Isshin then said that if anyone would be to blame for something like that, it would be him. So, what if he was referring to his use of the Final Getsuga Tenshou? Nonetheless, Engetsu still seems to be around and Isshin also managed to use a Getsuga Tenshou during this arc. This suggests that Engetsu hasn't really died. Then again, Isshin hasn't used a Shikai (as far as we know) nor any other Zanpakutou transformation. Besides that, the Getsuga Tenshou is little more than a blast of Reiatsu, which someone like Isshin should be capable of creating even without his Zanpakutou channeling the Reiatsu. It might be possible that Isshin's power was greatly compromised because a major part of his Shinigami power, in the form of his Engetsu, has disappeared. This means that he only has the power he can release during the sealed state of his Zanpakutou, which could be tremendous already due to the fact that Shikai and Bankai transformations for Zangetsu were of little influence on Ichigo's Reiatsu levels and Engetsu seems to work similarly.

Issin knowing of the Final Getsuga Tenshou probably has to do with the fact that they are similar in spirit (on some level), which makes for similar Zanpakutou (which can be seen amongst other Shinigami as well, in the form of Zanpakutou elements etc.), though the family ties make it that the attacks are more similar to each other as well. Isshin probably used it before (though we don't know on what or why), which means he knows that Zangetsu probably had one as well.

As for the part with Ichigo being part Shinigami and... The chapter after that revelation showed us that it was nothing more but Kubo messing around as Aizen suddenly said Ichigo is the son of 'a Human and'... before Isshin enters to reveal a Shinigami. So I don't think it's a Shinigami and a Hollow. But Isshin is dirty... maybe he (accidentally) frenched a Hollow once, but I doubt he'd have gone any further than that :amuse.


Nice review Underscore, but I really doubt that this is the end. Kubo has confirmed that after the Arrancar arc (Karakura, Hueco Mundo, Fake Karakura) there would be two more arcs, a small one (Could be Deicide) and a big one. Kubo also confirmed years ago and more recently a few months ago with the 2nd Databook that all the information around the Royal Guard and Isshin would be explored after the current arc.
We still have more characters to see as someone said above, plot points set just a year ago to finish. Bleach won't end in a year, Deicide will :D, I want the real Underscore back, I don't trust the guy in the mask.

Thanks, but you left out the important part in my name: Mask. Which makes my reviews more awesome than The Underscore's reviews ;).
Like I said in this post, Bleach has plenty to cover, but there have been more Manga that left too many things unresolved in the past. Then again, those manga weren't good enough to make it to the big three, so... :amuse.
As for wanting the real Underscore back. All complaints will be handled by Kubo, who keeps preventing his return with all the Deicide titles :p. But somehow I doubt you'll complain about not seeing an unmasked exploding penguin's reviews if you somehow manage to get into contact with Kubo :eyeroll. Just call it masked prinny intuition... dood... (Check out Disgaea if you don't get what "dood" means or what a prinny is :p)

Jiggy-Ninja
September 18, 2010, 12:36 PM
*yawn* Nothing new...I'd already predicted just about everything in this chapter already...

When Tensa Zangetsu said that what he wanted to protect was different from what Ichigo wanted to protect, I'd already got the thought that it was either Ichigo himself or his "true desires" or somethign like that that Tensa Zangetsu was protecting.

Ichigo has to lose his Shinigami powers to use the Final Getsuga Tenshou. That was pretty obvious as soon as Isshin brought it up. How else would he have lost his powers?

Aizen can't feel Ichigo's Reiatsu because Ichigo is at a higher level of evolution. This has been implied ever since Isshin mentioned that he couldn't feel Aizen's power, and that only a person standing on his level could.

Still waiting for this damn arc to finish. I really hate Kubo's pace. Oda can jam into a chapter what takes Kubo a whole damn volume, and still makes a better story.

Saifi
September 18, 2010, 04:11 PM
so does this mean that kubo is gonna pick up where hunter x hunter went on a hiatus? with a cell type "evolving" boss (king) and a over powered main char set to lose all his power as a result of his sudden power up ?

yay cause i really wanna know what happens in HxH

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*yawn* Nothing new...I'd already predicted just about everything in this chapter already...

When Tensa Zangetsu said that what he wanted to protect was different from what Ichigo wanted to protect, I'd already got the thought that it was either Ichigo himself or his "true desires" or somethign like that that Tensa Zangetsu was protecting.

Ichigo has to lose his Shinigami powers to use the Final Getsuga Tenshou. That was pretty obvious as soon as Isshin brought it up. How else would he have lost his powers?

Aizen can't feel Ichigo's Reiatsu because Ichigo is at a higher level of evolution. This has been implied ever since Isshin mentioned that he couldn't feel Aizen's power, and that only a person standing on his level could.

Still waiting for this damn arc to finish. I really hate Kubo's pace. Oda can jam into a chapter what takes Kubo a whole damn volume, and still makes a better story.

Sure, most of the things that have happened up until now could be predicted based on Kubo's storytelling and the events that have occurred during Bleach. Whether that's truly a bad thing, or not, depends on how you look at it. On the one hand, it's a bad thing because no one really cares about a story where you already know what will happen throughout the story and how it ends. On the other hand, Kubo has been introducing several occurrences, concepts, and rules within Bleach (both explicitly and implicitly) that tie up to make this story make sense on some level.

Now I know that by saying the latter I'll be getting a lot of criticism. But before you type out a sixteen page essay on how things in Bleach make no sense and how much plot-kai and whatnot is involved, I said everything ties up to make sense on some level. Some things still need to be clarified, either through more story or a databook, while other things can only be explained by far fetched theories which can be found abundantly on the big interweb :amuse.

As for Kubo's pacing. Deicide has had a (much) quicker pace than the previous arc(s). Sure, the first two or three arcs had more stuff happen from chapter to chapter, but even then Bleach's pace has always been relatively slow. Comparing the pacing of Bleach to that of One Piece is just unfair, especially considering the last arc before this (annoying :darn) four week break. Comparing the beginning of both series, you'll see that One Piece started out really slow, whereas Bleach just started out plain slow. Bleach kept that pace throughout the series, only picking up at certain moments in the story, mostly focusing on the character presentation throughout the story. This results in a slow pacing with excellent character art. One Piece... well, do I really need to tell you? Compared to when it started it has been going at a breakneck pace :amuse. In return, Oda used a lot of smaller and crowded frames to tell as much of the story in as little of a time (which is a good thing). Then again, he practically has nine main characters he has to focus on, so he doesn't have Kubo's luxury of spending more time on those characters where needed. Kubo hasn't always made use of this (the Fake Karakura town arc being an example), but even then he used other popular characters that he wanted to explore.

Well, those are just a few points to defend Bleach's pacing. But the main point I'm trying to make here is that it just isn't fair to compare Bleach's pacing to One Piece's. In fact, I can't really think of that many Manga that have a similar, or as close a pacing as One Piece, where it still works. But I'm sure there are plenty of you out there that could give me a list of manga that do just that :amuse.


so does this mean that kubo is gonna pick up where hunter x hunter went on a hiatus? with a cell type "evolving" boss (king) and a over powered main char set to lose all his power as a result of his sudden power up ?

yay cause i really wanna know what happens in HxH

It would be interesting to finally see what happens with HxH :eyeroll. Or maybe Kubo is going to give his own interpretation of what should have happened with DBZ during the Buu saga. Remember? Gohan didn't train after he beat cell, making him weaker than he was as a teen. Then some things happened, which presented the practically indestructible Buu, which had to be solved by introducing fusions and whatnot? For all we know Kubo is going to introduce fusions in the next arc? :o

Guess we'll get a clue as to where Kubo will be going with the story in next week's chapter. Then we'll see whether Kubo will go HxH, DBZ, Naruto (for all we know, Aizen just used a Kyouka Suigetsu illusion, but used the power from the Hougyoku to make it reality, a la Izanagi), or (and this is a long shot) something completely new that we've never seen before! :amuse

Snake_Cowboy
September 19, 2010, 12:45 PM
Heyhey, Underscore Mask! Sorry for being late, but with me starting university last week, my time to write extensive replies to your awesome Bleach reviews has gotten more limited. So don't be surprised if my posts might get a bit shorter from now on.

To be honest, I've been pretty pleased to see that, so far, the most recent chapters have played out much like I predicted.:amuse I hadn't expected Aizen's most recent Hollow-ish transformation, but aside from that, I seemed to be on the mark with the Final Getsuga Tenshou (though that turned out to be more than just a reiatsu blast) and it's implications (Ichigo losing his powers). I've also been expecting the flashback to the fight with Zangetsu, but then, there were probably many fans that did.

In either case, I'm very interested to see whether I'll continue to be right with my predictions...

I have not much more to add to this chapter that you didn't already mention, so I'll get right to the more interesting issues:

1) Is this really the end of Aizen?

2) Is Ichigo really going to lose his powers and could it signify a possible end to Bleach?

Is this really the end of Aizen?

I think it's safe to say that the current Aizen is dead: over the past four chapters, Kubo has made it clear that, since the end of his training in the Dangai, Ichigo has completely outclassed Aizen, even in his evolved state. Considering the ease which which he manhandled ButterflAizen (for lack of a better name) and wasn't even too impressed by Aizenator, it's obvious that Ichigo could have humiliated Aizen some more, even without the use of the Final Getsuga Tenshou. The only reason I believe it was necessary for Ichigo to use such a taxing technique (considering the loss of his powers that it will bring) was because of the Hougyoku: we've seen Aizen regenerate from pretty much everything thrown at him - I have a feeling Isshin knew that, from the moment he witnessed Aizen's evolved state, that only the FGT would guarantee a defeat. Now that Ichigo, already so much stronger than Aizen, has used a technique of this insane magnitute, one which will end his career as a Substitute Shinigami, the only possible result is that Aizen is completely obliterated.

But at the same time, this poses a problem... Because if this really is the permanent defeat of Aizen, then I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say: cop-out. After spending countless 'Deicide' chapters at evolving Aizen in a being beyond comprehension, Kubo humiliates and kills him by the main protagonist in about four. Despite the bad-ass attitude of Ichigo's, this certainly wasn't the epic final battle of him and Aizen that everyone has been hoping for. In fact, it doesn't even hold a candle to such incredible fights in Bleach as Ichigo VS Byakuya or Ulquiorra.

Perhaps some would consider it simply bad writing on Kubo's part, but I disagree. Everything about this 'defeat' of Aizen seems too simple, too easy, too fast and too anti-climactic. This, plus the fact that there is still so much about Aizen to be revealed (his origins, why he's so desperate to become a god, his exact reasons for helping Ichigo evolve, the revelation of two Hougyoku and whatever he did to Orihime), still makes me doubt that this is really the end. I admit, some of those things could be addressed in a near-death flashback on Aizen's part or in another Turn Back the Pendulum, but then there's Yammy and the situation in Hueco Mundo: again, it's very suspicious that Kubo has not shown us ANYTHING about this for months. If Yammy was really a minor character, wouldn't it have been easier to show Kenpachi and Byakuya killing him by now and finish him off before the big fight (Ichigo VS Aizen)? All these dangling loose ends keep me convinced that not only is this not the end of Bleach, it may not even be the end of Aizen...

Is Ichigo really going to lose his powers and could it signify a possible end to Bleach?

With what Ichigo has just revealed about the Final Getsuga Tenshou and the link between it and Isshin's loss of powers, I think it's safe to say 'yes' to the former question. Some fans have opted that Orihime could simply reject Ichigo back to his past state, but I doubt it: not only would it be extremely bad writing to have Orihime be capable of fixing up everything (a proverbial Dragonball, so to speak), I just don't think it would work, either. She had trouble healing Ichigo when he was nearly killed by Ulquiorra and both her and Ulquiorra seemed to have little faith that she could do it when he got a Cero blasted through his chest. Restoring Ichigo's Shinigami's powers seems like a much more complex issue, one that I don't think Orihime can easily reject. Even if she could, theoretically, do it, her shaky confidence in herself since the start of the Arrancar Arc (only worsened by the events on the dome), make me doubt whether she could summon that strength now.

On the note of Ichigo's Shinigami powers: I'm pretty sure he referred to both his Shinigami abilities aswell as his Hollow ones. Ichigo has always considered himself either a human or a Shinigami, never even referring to himself as a Vizard. He probably sees Shirosaki as a dark part of his Shinigami powers, much as Shirosaki is a part of Zangetsu and thus includes him aswell when he's referring to his Shinigami side. And given the immense power of Mugetsu, most likely the ultimate attack of the FGT, I think the loss of his powers will set in swiftly...

But this need not be the end of Bleach: whether this is the end of Aizen or not, Kubo has promised us at least two more arcs and he has confirmed that he will introduce the Royal Guard in the next (in an interview in the new Bleach Databook, 'Masked'). And given that Isshin regained his powers, most likely with Urahara's help, I see no reason why the same thing can't happen to Ichigo. Trust me: we may be reaching the end of an arc, but Bleach is going to go on for a while.

All in all, I consider this to be a very good development: with Ichigo and Aizen reaching such unfathomable levels of power, everyone else was in danger of becoming useless fodder. With Ichigo losing his powers and being a Shinigami no more, there's a real opportunity for some focus on the other characters: for once, Ishida, Chad, Orihime, Rukia and Renji can shine again and there's a serious chance that people like Tatsuki will get some share of the limelight aswell, and may even develop powers of their own.

So what do I think will happen next? At this point, I see no reason to deviate from my earlier predictions: I think that next chapter will see the 'death' of Aizen, the complete obliteration of this Hougyoku, Ichigo re-uniting with his friends on the outskirts of Karakura, losing his powers, and the battle appearing to end with his victory (most likely, this will be the end of the 'Deicide' chapters). I say 'this Hougyoku', because we'll next get a shift back to Hueco Mundo: while Kenpachi and Byakuya continue to have trouble dealing with Yammy, Ishida and Orihime head for Aizen's throneroom to destroy the Hougyoku there (most likely Urahara's, stolen at the end of the Soul Society Arc). They find it and Orihime will attempt to reject it's existence, but once she tries, something goes wrong: instead of destroying it, she has only healed the damage caused to it by it's pre-mature awakening. And to everyone's horror, Aizen re-emerges from it, recreated by the Hougyoku in a truly perfect form to match Ichigo's level.

Aizen returns to Karakura, to the mind-numbing shock of (powerless) Ichigo and Isshin, taking Yammy with him. Aizen explains that even his death was according to his plans: he introduced the two Hougyoku to each other in order to create a link between them, then manipulated Ichigo into achieving a perfect form - Urahara's Hougyoku learned everything that the Hougyoku within Aizen did. The energy of the Final Getsuga Tenshou was the final step Urahara's Hougyoku needed to recreate Aizen in a form even superior to Ichigo's. But with it damaged because of it's pre-mature awakening (due to Aizen wanting to test it's effectiveness on his most recent Espada), he needed Orihime to fix it: Aizen reveals that while Orihime's ability is indeed fate-rejection, each of her fairies have a specific function - only one of them is capable of destroying anything, while the others can only be used for defense or healing. By showing Orihime the Hougyoku's location and leaving it undefended, he has manipulated her into healing it for him. It was Aizen's perfect plan: he already knew of the FGT and the loss of powers it results in, because of the history between himself and Isshin - by using it's energy, generated by the perfect hybrid (Ichigo), he has at once attained a power beyond equal aswell as eliminated his only rival.

Yammy then absorbs the unique spiritual energy in the air of Karakura, before Aizen prepares to kill all it's citizens and use it and their souls to create the Royal Key. But then the town vanishes: Byakuya and the others in Hueco Mundo have rushed back to the Fake Karakura Town and destroyed the remaining pillars, switching them again - Aizen will have to deal with the remaining captains again if he wants the citizens of Karakura. But Aizen reveals that that too is no issue: he destroys Yammy with a single blast and uses the spiritual energy and the many souls he's already absorbed to create the Royal Key. Aizen leaves for the Royal Palace, thanking Ichigo and Orihime for all they've done for him.

MonsterEnvy
September 19, 2010, 03:58 PM
hey underscore (mask) maybe you should start reviewing one piece when it comes back out you seem to like it and its in hevey need of more reviewers

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September 20, 2010, 02:30 AM
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Heyhey, Underscore Mask! Sorry for being late, but with me starting university last week, my time to write extensive replies to your awesome Bleach reviews has gotten more limited. So don't be surprised if my posts might get a bit shorter from now on.

To be honest, I've been pretty pleased to see that, so far, the most recent chapters have played out much like I predicted.:amuse I hadn't expected Aizen's most recent Hollow-ish transformation, but aside from that, I seemed to be on the mark with the Final Getsuga Tenshou (though that turned out to be more than just a reiatsu blast) and it's implications (Ichigo losing his powers). I've also been expecting the flashback to the fight with Zangetsu, but then, there were probably many fans that did.

In either case, I'm very interested to see whether I'll continue to be right with my predictions...

I have not much more to add to this chapter that you didn't already mention, so I'll get right to the more interesting issues:

1) Is this really the end of Aizen?

2) Is Ichigo really going to lose his powers and could it signify a possible end to Bleach?

Is this really the end of Aizen?

I think it's safe to say that the current Aizen is dead: over the past four chapters, Kubo has made it clear that, since the end of his training in the Dangai, Ichigo has completely outclassed Aizen, even in his evolved state. Considering the ease which which he manhandled ButterflAizen (for lack of a better name) and wasn't even too impressed by Aizenator, it's obvious that Ichigo could have humiliated Aizen some more, even without the use of the Final Getsuga Tenshou. The only reason I believe it was necessary for Ichigo to use such a taxing technique (considering the loss of his powers that it will bring) was because of the Hougyoku: we've seen Aizen regenerate from pretty much everything thrown at him - I have a feeling Isshin knew that, from the moment he witnessed Aizen's evolved state, that only the FGT would guarantee a defeat. Now that Ichigo, already so much stronger than Aizen, has used a technique of this insane magnitute, one which will end his career as a Substitute Shinigami, the only possible result is that Aizen is completely obliterated.

But at the same time, this poses a problem... Because if this really is the permanent defeat of Aizen, then I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say: cop-out. After spending countless 'Deicide' chapters at evolving Aizen in a being beyond comprehension, Kubo humiliates and kills him by the main protagonist in about four. Despite the bad-ass attitude of Ichigo's, this certainly wasn't the epic final battle of him and Aizen that everyone has been hoping for. In fact, it doesn't even hold a candle to such incredible fights in Bleach as Ichigo VS Byakuya or Ulquiorra.

Perhaps some would consider it simply bad writing on Kubo's part, but I disagree. Everything about this 'defeat' of Aizen seems too simple, too easy, too fast and too anti-climactic. This, plus the fact that there is still so much about Aizen to be revealed (his origins, why he's so desperate to become a god, his exact reasons for helping Ichigo evolve, the revelation of two Hougyoku and whatever he did to Orihime), still makes me doubt that this is really the end. I admit, some of those things could be addressed in a near-death flashback on Aizen's part or in another Turn Back the Pendulum, but then there's Yammy and the situation in Hueco Mundo: again, it's very suspicious that Kubo has not shown us ANYTHING about this for months. If Yammy was really a minor character, wouldn't it have been easier to show Kenpachi and Byakuya killing him by now and finish him off before the big fight (Ichigo VS Aizen)? All these dangling loose ends keep me convinced that not only is this not the end of Bleach, it may not even be the end of Aizen...

Is Ichigo really going to lose his powers and could it signify a possible end to Bleach?

With what Ichigo has just revealed about the Final Getsuga Tenshou and the link between it and Isshin's loss of powers, I think it's safe to say 'yes' to the former question. Some fans have opted that Orihime could simply reject Ichigo back to his past state, but I doubt it: not only would it be extremely bad writing to have Orihime be capable of fixing up everything (a proverbial Dragonball, so to speak), I just don't think it would work, either. She had trouble healing Ichigo when he was nearly killed by Ulquiorra and both her and Ulquiorra seemed to have little faith that she could do it when he got a Cero blasted through his chest. Restoring Ichigo's Shinigami's powers seems like a much more complex issue, one that I don't think Orihime can easily reject. Even if she could, theoretically, do it, her shaky confidence in herself since the start of the Arrancar Arc (only worsened by the events on the dome), make me doubt whether she could summon that strength now.

On the note of Ichigo's Shinigami powers: I'm pretty sure he referred to both his Shinigami abilities aswell as his Hollow ones. Ichigo has always considered himself either a human or a Shinigami, never even referring to himself as a Vizard. He probably sees Shirosaki as a dark part of his Shinigami powers, much as Shirosaki is a part of Zangetsu and thus includes him aswell when he's referring to his Shinigami side. And given the immense power of Mugetsu, most likely the ultimate attack of the FGT, I think the loss of his powers will set in swiftly...

But this need not be the end of Bleach: whether this is the end of Aizen or not, Kubo has promised us at least two more arcs and he has confirmed that he will introduce the Royal Guard in the next (in an interview in the new Bleach Databook, 'Masked'). And given that Isshin regained his powers, most likely with Urahara's help, I see no reason why the same thing can't happen to Ichigo. Trust me: we may be reaching the end of an arc, but Bleach is going to go on for a while.

All in all, I consider this to be a very good development: with Ichigo and Aizen reaching such unfathomable levels of power, everyone else was in danger of becoming useless fodder. With Ichigo losing his powers and being a Shinigami no more, there's a real opportunity for some focus on the other characters: for once, Ishida, Chad, Orihime, Rukia and Renji can shine again and there's a serious chance that people like Tatsuki will get some share of the limelight aswell, and may even develop powers of their own.

So what do I think will happen next? At this point, I see no reason to deviate from my earlier predictions: I think that next chapter will see the 'death' of Aizen, the complete obliteration of this Hougyoku, Ichigo re-uniting with his friends on the outskirts of Karakura, losing his powers, and the battle appearing to end with his victory (most likely, this will be the end of the 'Deicide' chapters). I say 'this Hougyoku', because we'll next get a shift back to Hueco Mundo: while Kenpachi and Byakuya continue to have trouble dealing with Yammy, Ishida and Orihime head for Aizen's throneroom to destroy the Hougyoku there (most likely Urahara's, stolen at the end of the Soul Society Arc). They find it and Orihime will attempt to reject it's existence, but once she tries, something goes wrong: instead of destroying it, she has only healed the damage caused to it by it's pre-mature awakening. And to everyone's horror, Aizen re-emerges from it, recreated by the Hougyoku in a truly perfect form to match Ichigo's level.

Aizen returns to Karakura, to the mind-numbing shock of (powerless) Ichigo and Isshin, taking Yammy with him. Aizen explains that even his death was according to his plans: he introduced the two Hougyoku to each other in order to create a link between them, then manipulated Ichigo into achieving a perfect form - Urahara's Hougyoku learned everything that the Hougyoku within Aizen did. The energy of the Final Getsuga Tenshou was the final step Urahara's Hougyoku needed to recreate Aizen in a form even superior to Ichigo's. But with it damaged because of it's pre-mature awakening (due to Aizen wanting to test it's effectiveness on his most recent Espada), he needed Orihime to fix it: Aizen reveals that while Orihime's ability is indeed fate-rejection, each of her fairies have a specific function - only one of them is capable of destroying anything, while the others can only be used for defense or healing. By showing Orihime the Hougyoku's location and leaving it undefended, he has manipulated her into healing it for him. It was Aizen's perfect plan: he already knew of the FGT and the loss of powers it results in, because of the history between himself and Isshin - by using it's energy, generated by the perfect hybrid (Ichigo), he has at once attained a power beyond equal aswell as eliminated his only rival.

Yammy then absorbs the unique spiritual energy in the air of Karakura, before Aizen prepares to kill all it's citizens and use it and their souls to create the Royal Key. But then the town vanishes: Byakuya and the others in Hueco Mundo have rushed back to the Fake Karakura Town and destroyed the remaining pillars, switching them again - Aizen will have to deal with the remaining captains again if he wants the citizens of Karakura. But Aizen reveals that that too is no issue: he destroys Yammy with a single blast and uses the spiritual energy and the many souls he's already absorbed to create the Royal Key. Aizen leaves for the Royal Palace, thanking Ichigo and Orihime for all they've done for him.

It has been a while since you last commented on a review. Mind you, your posts don't have to be this long every week, just hearing a (wacky) theory, prediction, a (dis)like of the chapter from time to time isn't a bad thing either ;). Besides, with your predictions being more on the mark than those I or The Underscore make, it would be nice if you'd at least post a prediction :amuse. But you're starting up with university again, huh? Student life... The Underscore remembers it like it was a month ago... :p

Is this really the end of Aizen?

I agree that this fight isn't what most people would want from a final battle of a series, especially one as popular as Bleach. The fact that Ichigo didn't torture Aizen a bit by killing him little by little is most obviously due to the Hougyoku. Going by the sheer force of the Mugetsu, it might be enough to destroy one Hougyoku. But this is yet to be seen, though the introduction of a second Hougyoku suggests that the one inside of Aizen will be destroyed along with Aizenator.

Yammy still being around means things can't end just yet. Let's face it. From what we could guesstimate based on Yammy's latest transformation, he might be more than capable of taking on both Byakuya and Kenpachi. Besides that, Ulquiorra also suggested Yammy would be more than enough to take on multiple Shinigami captains, and he was pretty good at making such estimations. If Aizen were to disappear, we'd just have a loose canon running around. Though entertaining for a while, it wouldn't last. Besides, it is a bit too convenient for Aizen to not even attempt to use his Kyouka Suigetsu to defend himself from Ichigo, no matter the size of his ego.

Is Ichigo really going to lose his powers and could it signify a possible end to Bleach?

Orihime rejecting the Mugetsu's effects is a bit too much. Besides, Orihime has trouble restoring Reiatsu as we learned the last time Ichigo passed through the Garganta. Though you could argue she might be able to restore it in due time, I'd say it would be too taxing even for her to recreate the strength Ichigo had. Though, quite frankly, she should be capable enough to do so if she is able to restore the Hougyoku.

But Ichigo losing his Shinigami powers here and giving his friends the opportunity to step up (again) is something I would be happy with as well. Depending on how Kubo handles the situation with Ichigo, this can work out for the best.

What you mentioned on Orihime restoring the Hougyoku and through that Aizen is something I've been thinking of as well. In fact, I like your prediction as it still falls within the realm of possibilities as they are found in Bleach. The fact that Aizen's plans still worked out the way he intended is something I wouldn't really mind, especially after what happened in the last four chapters where he was reduced to a Hollow. What I like most about your prediction is the idea of Orihime using the Santen Kesshun in order to reduce the Hougyoku instead of Tsubaki to just rejecting it from existence. In fact, I'd love to hear that Orihime's Tsubaki would be the only thing capable of destroying the Hougyoku and that her reluctance to rely on that side of her power is what caused Aizen's resurrection. Can you imagine just how awesome that could be for her character, to learn that being too passive -which she obviously is- all the time can't be good, and that she should have had the determination to use Tsubaki -the coolest of the six fairies :p-. Maybe you remember the review The Underscore did on the chapter where Orihime interfered with the battle between Ulquiorra and Ichigo, how he hoped to see a more determined Orihime. Let's just say I couldn't agree more with him as I'm both a prinny and.... (pulling a Bleach cliffhanger here ;)).


hey underscore (mask) maybe you should start reviewing one piece when it comes back out you seem to like it and its in hevey need of more reviewers

I thought Benelori started One Piece reviews as well... Maybe I could start writing them on Sundays or something as I no longer have homework assignments to do... Reviewing One Piece would be hectic, though... Have you seen how much I can rant with just Bleach? And we all know hardly anything happens during a single chapter of Bleach :eyeroll. I've The Underscore's had this request before, though they've also asked me him for Naruto once...
Guess I've got two more weeks to consider this idea ( :(darned hiatus).

Rubicant
September 21, 2010, 10:17 PM
Thanks for the review, here come previews any hour now but before they do I just have to ask, where are Kon, Ryuken and Tessai? Isn't it odd that Tessai in particular hasn't shown up when nearly every other bleach interest has been involved in this war?

Ichigo has a habit of not killing anything above regular hollows un-touched by the Hog. So I predict that Aizen will survive Ichigo's attack just barely intact, and in comes Tessai to deliver a relatively simple Coup de grace. This will anger a lot of fans, but what are ya gonna do? =p

Kuranzyan
October 01, 2010, 10:22 AM
Tessai is a beast man, I really don't care if Kubo pulls that off. It means more awesome kido to behold.