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ANGELiki
September 29, 2010, 01:38 PM
Who do you think is the person Allen is going to kill when he turns into the 14th???? Express your intuition!!!!

The Earl (yeah well. The 14th's bro. They may love each other, who knows?)
Manna. (with some strange magic, Manna is brought back to life!)
General Cross (it's possible. Either he was the one who killed him, or he's GOING to kill him in the future)
Lenalee Lee (if Lenalee is the heart, the 14th might want to use her innocence. So he might want to kill her. NOOOOOOOO)
The people from the order in general
The whole world in general (Neah is the Noah of destruction, after all. Destroy the whole world!!! Purify the world with flame!!!)
One of his fellow exorcists. (Kanda, Lavi, Bookman, Krory, Miranda, Marie...)
Someone else????

Jaymie
September 29, 2010, 09:49 PM
Mana/The Earl, if my "the Earl has taken over Mana's body" theory is correct.

ANGELiki
September 30, 2010, 02:07 AM
Mana/The Earl, if my "the Earl has taken over Mana's body" theory is correct.

Ah? I though Earl, but in a different way... You know. ''when you turn into the 14th, you will kill someone you love.'' = ''when you turn into the 14th, you will kill someone the 14th loves''.... And the 14th may love the Earl... Who knows?:D
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Eh, guys, those who vote ''someone else'' please write in text who you think it is going to be... I'm sorry, I just wrote down whoever I thought was most likely, but then I may have forgotten someone... :(

ruinedshadows
September 30, 2010, 05:24 AM
Ah? I though Earl, but in a different way... You know. ''when you turn into the 14th, you will kill someone you love.'' = ''when you turn into the 14th, you will kill someone the 14th loves''.... And the 14th may love the Earl... Who knows?:D

The Earl does seem like a likely candidate to me as well, and I do like your interpretation of that line! :tem

When I voted, though, I said "one of his fellow exorsists". I feel like he'll destroy a whole bunch of people at the Black Order, not just, say, Lenalee. Actually, it seems more likely to me that Lenalee will end up outliving a whole bunch of characters.

Either way, I can definitely see the Earl/Earl in Mana's form (I like that theory, but we don't know how true it could turn out to be just yet) being killed off at some point or another. Certainly there'll be a lot of blood spilled in the end! :D *is excited*

ANGELiki
September 30, 2010, 08:03 AM
I feel like he'll destroy a whole bunch of people at the Black Order, not just, say, Lenalee. Actually, it seems more likely to me that Lenalee will end up outliving a whole bunch of characters.

Ah. I distinguisted Lenalee from the rest of the exorsists just because she may be the heart. (OR!!!! Another crazy theory of mine~~ The Heart has split into two! Allen AND Lenalee are compatible with the heart!!!!! YAY)
Actually I think that everyone will live in the end, and that the Earl will make up with his bro and sacrifice himself to save the world...

clamche
September 30, 2010, 12:23 PM
When Cross told Allen about that I don't know why but I thought it will be Lenalee. But Allen has many friends and he loves people in general so he could kill someone who is not his fellow.
But somehow I think that it will be someone really important whom we know from the very beginning of DGM. So I may say that it will be either the Earl ( Isn't it too early for him to die? ) or someone from the Black Order.

Naomidee
September 30, 2010, 02:31 PM
I think his goal is to murder The Millennium Earl as well as the other members of the Noah Clan ( you left them out! o: ). But they would fall into the "Other" category I guess. n_n
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(OR!!!! Another crazy theory of mine~~ The Heart has split into two! Allen AND Lenalee are compatible with the heart!!!!!

This theory reminds me of Horcruxes from Harry Potter.
Lmao... XDDDD

ANGELiki
September 30, 2010, 03:09 PM
I think his goal is to murder The Millennium Earl as well as the other members of the Noah Clan ( you left them out! o: ). But they would fall into the "Other" category I guess. n_n
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This theory reminds me of Horcruxes from Harry Potter.
Lmao... XDDDD

Eh??? LOL, no, you are right, although my line of thinking was:
Allen?
No, it's Lenalee.
No, it's Allen.
No, Lenalee.
Allen is the destroyer of time. He doesn't have to be the heart as well.
But he is the main character!
Lenalee looks important too.
Allen.
Lenalee.
Allen.
I said LENALEE.
Allen.
Lenalee.
...
...
It's BOTH OF THEM!! It looks exactly like a stupid theory that a manga can come up with!!
All right, it's stupid because I came up with it. In a manga it will have some proper basis. Another thing that made me think of this theory was that the only innocence that wasn't lost in the Noah's ark arc, was that of Allen and Lenalee... If the heart was lost, I'm sure there would be some sort of consequence to the rest of the innocence.

13Tsubasa
September 30, 2010, 05:02 PM
I think it would be the earl or the order but I voted for Earl.

ruinedshadows
September 30, 2010, 05:12 PM
I really like that split heart theory! Although, then Allen has so many things going for him already... the uber-strong Innocence, the freaky curse that nobody else has (or seems to have), the whole Destroyer of Time rigmarole, the Noah genes (that seem to be incredibly strong as well), the MPD that comes with that... to put the Heart on top of all that seems like overkill to me. :(


Eh??? LOL, no, you are right, although my line of thinking was:
Allen?
No, it's Lenalee.
No, it's Allen.
No, Lenalee.
Allen is the destroyer of time. He doesn't have to be the heart as well.
But he is the main character!
Lenalee looks important too.
Allen.
Lenalee.
Allen.
I said LENALEE.
Allen.
Lenalee.
...
...
It's BOTH OF THEM!!

OMG. I love you for this post. :D Here, have a virtual cookie~ *hands cookie*

(I was totally thinking the same thing earlier in the series, too, though. <3)

Eh, back on topic. I kind of think everyone's going to die in the end, to be honest. D;

MSofAofCOCA
September 30, 2010, 08:09 PM
I really like that split heart theory! Although, then Allen has so many things going for him already... the uber-strong Innocence, the freaky curse that nobody else has (or seems to have), the whole Destroyer of Time rigmarole, the Noah genes (that seem to be incredibly strong as well), the MPD that comes with that... to put the Heart on top of all that seems like overkill to me. :(



OMG. I love you for this post. :D Here, have a virtual cookie~ *hands cookie*

(I was totally thinking the same thing earlier in the series, too, though. <3)

Eh, back on topic. I kind of think everyone's going to die in the end, to be honest. D;

Meh. I had an Allen/Lenalee idea at the beginning too, but then that means they have to have something that makes them uber similar that would make the heart split (or, like the earl mentioned, the heart may create a 'dummy' heart) so it could also be possible that the heart is going to make allen take the fall while it observes. Which makes me think of LAvi, and how the heart seems so.......... uncaring reguarding the fate of the world. wouldn't it appear by now and synch so that it can be used?

On that note, I don't think Allen's innocence is particularly strong. It has failed more than once, and actually makes me wonder just what makes Crown Clown of critical level? Seriously, compare the sword/edge end to judgement/lau shimin/ sokaro's innocence. there's absolutely no question in who would win.

Overall, i don't think anyone will die. for somereason i think what cross said to allen was his own personal prediction; like "allen, i have a feeling you might be killing someone soon. just incase i'm right, i'm telling you this now so that you could do your best to avoid the situation" By now, i'm thinking that even if allen was supposed to kill someone, something will/has happened that has changed the future (like, he was supposed to kill... idk, kanda and meet the 14th from shock, but since kanda has stabbed him, he is already pass that stage)

Aracely
September 30, 2010, 11:15 PM
Since I agree with the "the Earl has taken over Mana's body" theory, I'd picked the Earl for the poll, though I could've picked Mana for that too.

But also it could be the Earl because of the Earl being an important person to the 14th. I think the 14th really does care a lot about the Earl, even if he has decided firmly to kill him.

ANGELiki
October 01, 2010, 09:41 AM
I really like that split heart theory! Although, then Allen has so many things going for him already... the uber-strong Innocence, the freaky curse that nobody else has (or seems to have), the whole Destroyer of Time rigmarole, the Noah genes (that seem to be incredibly strong as well), the MPD that comes with that... to put the Heart on top of all that seems like overkill to me. :(



OMG. I love you for this post. :D Here, have a virtual cookie~ *hands cookie*

(I was totally thinking the same thing earlier in the series, too, though. <3)

Eh, back on topic. I kind of think everyone's going to die in the end, to be honest. D;

LOL THANK YOU!!!!
*eats virtual cookie* Mmmmmmmmmmmm tastes good.
Can you give me the virtual recipe?? In binary please. :p
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Since I agree with the "the Earl has taken over Mana's body" theory, I'd picked the Earl for the poll, though I could've picked Mana for that too.

But also it could be the Earl because of the Earl being an important person to the 14th. I think the 14th really does care a lot about the Earl, even if he has decided firmly to kill him.

Yeah. Just Kanda and Alma. I'm surprised that no one has voted for Lenalee though. I'm pretty sure it will be her. If the heart IS spit into two, then the 14th would want to use both pieces properly. And if Cross knew that, he could warn Allen about it...
Now, since I do believe that theory, I'll have to ask myself an important philosofical question.
Why didn't I vote for her either?:blink
(I picked the earl)

hopeandlight
October 07, 2010, 07:54 AM
voted for others

the Noah

the 14th loves the noah no matter what they've done cause their family

ningen as written in the manga can be more than one person

anyways perhaps he will only kill the "noah memories" inside
thus rendering the noah regular humans

nea say he will destroy everything
perhaps he refers to:
sorrow
he wishes to destroy all the sorrow
-the sorrow the wars cause
-the sorrow the noah hold because they cannot forget ( i remember the movie inception, ideas are poisonious once they get in ur head)

To destroy the old world of hate and create a new one
The noah are from before the Great Flood
they are the past
the people born everyday and deserve to live

sadly this means no more gray skin tiki ...
that's a tragedy by itself

clamche
October 08, 2010, 02:41 AM
If Neah is another way of pronouncing "Noah" then maybe there is a reason for that. Maybe Neah has the powers of all other Noahs in himself and that's why he was able to kill all of them. So there's no need for him the other Noah to exist and he'll destroy his "family", and the Noah in him loves them and will cry.

saladesu
October 08, 2010, 05:18 AM
I think Lenalee is the heart, so I think there will definitely have to be a face-off between Lenalee and Allen. I hope he doesn't kill her (like Allen gets back his consciousness at the moment Crown Clown is about to pierce her neck or something dramatic like that... But yes, it's very, very hackneyed D:).

Also, what Cross said was that Allen would have to kill "humans, whom you love". It's already been established that Allen loves both humans and Akuma (rather, he wants to save them). Neah will probably go on a rampage and kill many humans, but not necessarily people that Allen loves on a personal level. The word Cross used was "humans" as in mankind as a race, rather than "people" with whom Allen has a relationship. It was Allen (and many readers) who interpreted "humans" as "people". I think this will be a key factor in what will happen, or I think Hoshino-sensei wouldn't have put that conversation in.

Dlanor_A.Knox
October 20, 2010, 03:50 PM
*crawls from a hole after 2month orso*

I voted for the whole world in general but honestly I couldn't choose between that and someone else, I thought that maybe he had to "kill" the souls of the Akuma's. Allen loves the souls of the Akuma's and does everything to save them, but Neah may know the truth behind the Akuma creation (points at what the Earl said in Sheryl's garden) and "kills" them or Allen may found out the truth about them (if he's going to join the Noahs).

Eventually choose for the whole world in general because I have the feeling that Neah is the "real bad guy" (and decieved Mana and Cross) and that the Earl does the right thing in the wrong way..... Could also be an explanation about why Mana helped Allen out ( he found out about Neah's real intentions etc.)


It has failed more than once, and actually makes me wonder just what makes Crown Clown of critical level? Seriously, compare the sword/edge end to judgement/lau shimin/ sokaro's innocence. there's absolutely no question in who would win.


I think that Allen doesn't know all of Crown Clown's power yet, which makes it unable to use all his power at his full extend.

I mean, he even creeped Road out in the Ark Arc xD

MSofAofCOCA
October 20, 2010, 09:32 PM
*crawls from a hole after 2month orso*

I voted for the whole world in general but honestly I couldn't choose between that and someone else, I thought that maybe he had to "kill" the souls of the Akuma's. Allen loves the souls of the Akuma's and does everything to save them, but Neah may know the truth behind the Akuma creation (points at what the Earl said in Sheryl's garden) and "kills" them or Allen may found out the truth about them (if he's going to join the Noahs).

Eventually choose for the whole world in general because I have the feeling that Neah is the "real bad guy" (and decieved Mana and Cross) and that the Earl does the right thing in the wrong way..... Could also be an explanation about why Mana helped Allen out ( he found out about Neah's real intentions etc.)



I think that Allen doesn't know all of Crown Clown's power yet, which makes it unable to use all his power at his full extend.

I mean, he even creeped Road out in the Ark Arc xD

He creeoed her out only b/c he looked like the Earl holding the sword like that. Even though Road is Road, she is still an underling to the Earl, so obviously she has seen is uh, even uglier side (?)
It could be possible that there is some power suppression b/c of 14th (like both are suppresing each other, that's why neither has yet to fully show) but really. It is in Allen's personality to be able to purify even Noah, but so far, that has epic failed.
For some time i kept thinking that No One will die by allen/14th, b/c when Cross said that, i think he might've pictured some typical scenario that did not involve all Noah waking up/Allen and Kanda being kidnapped. Hell, would cross even have known about Alma? If not, that would definitely not be part of his plans - therefore, his warning may now be void =/ (also, 14th woke up through Kanda's stab, i don't think Cross counted on the 'attacker' (aka Kanda) surviving)
=)
btw, if chapter has been released, info in it is no longer a 'spoiler' right?!

Dlanor_A.Knox
October 21, 2010, 05:42 AM
Cross defintly knows about Alma, he was a scientist before he became a excorsist. And even if he weren't an scientist from the order, he already knows a loooot of what is going on arround the order xD

daaaamn I'm so curious for what will happen :D:D

andrea1chan
October 24, 2010, 01:22 PM
i voted for someone else cuz there is probly no way that Lenalee is going to die(she's the mein female, the main females almost never die)
and Allen loves alot of things.
but i started thinking about the people Allen has met in the past like that police woman or that old lady with the guy somewere in the U.K.
and what about Allens friend from India(the one that became an akuma cuz his sister died) Allen had to kill him but he didn't like the idia at first.

But the noahs are definetaly gonna die, well at leest there memorys
(the noahs cant die there the best characters, and Tyki is a noah, TYKI!!!) but maby not only by Allens/14th/Neahs hands

but i really think he is gonna kill Road or Tyki(I hate myself for thinkin that):crying

RaveDragon
June 14, 2011, 11:52 AM
Eh??? LOL, no, you are right, although my line of thinking was:
Allen?
No, it's Lenalee.
No, it's Allen.
No, Lenalee.
Allen is the destroyer of time. He doesn't have to be the heart as well.
But he is the main character!
Lenalee looks important too.
Allen.
Lenalee.
Allen.
I said LENALEE.
Allen.
Lenalee.
...
...
It's BOTH OF THEM!! It looks exactly like a stupid theory that a manga can come up with!!
All right, it's stupid because I came up with it. In a manga it will have some proper basis. Another thing that made me think of this theory was that the only innocence that wasn't lost in the Noah's ark arc, was that of Allen and Lenalee... If the heart was lost, I'm sure there would be some sort of consequence to the rest of the innocence.

sounds like my line of thinking and because of that i think allen might 'kill' Lenalee to get the heart as the 14th wants it for some reason maybe ^^ although im hoping its just an i think she's dead i dont want Lenalee to die but yet this is DGM :/ or her or the Earl whom the 14th yes might love although Allen hates him ^^

Jaymie
June 14, 2011, 02:22 PM
Mana/The Earl. I think Cross knows about the connection between the two, which is why he said that Allen would have to kill somebody he cares about.

Of course it hasn't been confirmed if they're the same person, one person split into two beings, twins, or one of them had their appearance stolen ala Hohenheim/Father. But still.

Ruki92x
July 01, 2011, 11:45 AM
hmm i think the earl, cus arent the 14th and Earl Brothers?
shoulden't they love each other then?
ahhhh but now when i think about it, then it can be anyone, but i think the Earl will die