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riki
October 01, 2010, 03:15 PM
D.Gray-man Volume 22 Discussion Thread

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h95/sakuraxsyaoran/nopicsofar.jpgChapter Titles:

* 200. "Seeds of Destruction"
* 201. "Sinner in Despair"
* 202. "A Changing World"
* 203. "Fate -Consciousness-"
* 204. "Premonitions of Separation"
* 205. "My Home"


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Please post pictures, summaries and scripts of the upcoming chapter here. Translations are also welcome and appreciated.

If you are posting pictures, please only post three pics per post.

Please use this format when you post any spoiler-related information:


Well a spoiler thread can be made synoptic.

Take this as an example of a synoptic spoiler post (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1294290&postcount=2).

All the codes may look confusing but it's a matter of learning but a fast learning andd once you get into it, it'll be an enjoyment for all.

Before reading:
1. all * should be left out, all *** should be filled
2. alt + b adds the bold tags appear automatically

So how do we work?

Step 1:
[*fieldset= ***]

Explanation: this will open a box,. *** can be filled according to what you post: spoiler script, spoiler pics, spoiler script and pics, spoiler translationg,... depending on what you post

Step 2: [*B]Verification[/B]***

Explanation:
***= three main colours red (fake), orange (pending) and green (confirmed)
fill in the second *** with the status: fake, pending or confirmed according to your colour.
[color=red]Advice: mark it pending if you don't know it ;)

Step 3: [*B]Source:[/B] ***

Explanation: *** = add the website, source where you found the spoiler. Don't you have one? or don't you want to share? leave it or use ???

Step 4: [*B]Credits:[/B] ***

Explanation: *** = credit the person who posted it. Don't you know who it is? or don't you want to share it? Leave this step or use ???

Step 5: [/fieldset]

Explanation: this well close the box, you opened with the [fieldset = ***]

Want to discuss the latest spoilers? Do so here!

Remember: NO SPOILERS AND/OR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT OUTSIDE THIS SPOILER THREAD!!! If so, your posts will be deleted.

The chapter is out! Read it HERE (http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/29967377/1).

Discuss the events that happened in this chapter and predict what you think will happen next. :amuse

Zibi234
October 31, 2010, 03:06 AM
All spoiler information will be quoted and pasted in this post. Please remember to thank the original posters who posted the spoilers. ;)

well the spoiler guy posted today something like this...

Source: 2ch
Credit: :妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs
Verification: Confirmed
青は1P下書きがあるねぇ
+みたいに顔のパーツのあたり線だっけ?専門用語わからないけど、そういうのがあるキャラもいる

ってDグレ
全31Pで1コマだけ鉛筆書きあるけど多分演出
・アルマ見送る神田
・世界各地でAKUMA化したサード達を退治した、するエクソシスト達
・ただ中国ではチャオジーがゾンビ編みたいな顔でおかしくなってるのが発見されて
「ラビとブックマニがどこにもいない!!」
・精霊石がわれてフォー消える
・トクサ頑張れアルマ細胞に負けるな!なところでリンクが現れトクサに何するんだ?
なところで次回

あと重大発表はジャンプフェスで星野先生サイン会!
コミック21巻はミニポスター付きと初回出荷分に描き下ろし特典ペーパー(JCVer.)
でした




well if this is really a spoiler and not some conclusions from past chapters than it looks like its kinda boring (no noah or allen)... again about kanda-alma and.... spirit stone breaks... and at the end Link appears somewhere (I guess the destroyed base).... and it even states that Lavi or bookman did not appear in this chapter [wow what a supprise XD I guess lots of people forgot who is lavi or bookman xD]

anyway guess need to wait for more and more accurete stuff >__<



Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: -

詳細あり
むしろ12月号でしか申し込めない
申し込み締め切り11/24消印有効


アルマが逝くシーンで12P
研究所内シーンで13P
その他6P


夜帰宅したら詳細投下します




Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: 妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs

表紙無し 煽り:2人を逃がすために

アレン(方舟よ ふたりをマテールへ 誰の手も届かない果ての地へ)
上半身だけ、両腕が神田の背丈位伸びた状態のアルマを抱いてゲートを通ってる神田
カアアア ヒュッ どさぁ とゲートを抜けてマテールでAKUMAと戦った場所に落ちる

煽り:神田とアルマ終局の地へ…

息切れしてる神田「……!?」パキ… パララ とゲートのかけらが上から降ってくる
神田「ゲートが崩れていく…」
ゲートNo.は-?-。神田の髪は元に戻ってなくて体のひび割れも修復してない
神田「モヤシ…」「は…」「は…」
アルマ「かわいそうな子……」「ぼくにはわかる…」
 「千年伯爵の分身であるAKUMAには…感じ……るんだ……」
 「あの子はノアだよ…」「それも…ひどく伯爵と…… ……っ!」
ビシィッとアルマの体が更にひび割れ
神田「もう喋んなバカ」
アルマ、ハアハアしながら「ユ… ハァ ユウ…」「このまま見てて……」
 「イノセンスは使わないで…っ」
神田「わかってる」
アルマ「ぼくの魂がダークマターに潰されるまで…」
神田「あぁ」
アルマ「今でも教団が許せない…っ 憎くて……たまらないよ」
 「でも」「ぼくは泥に沈むべきだ…」第二使徒計画研究者たちの集合絵(これだけ鉛筆画)
 「ぼくは殺した…たくさん……伯爵にまで力を貸して…たくさん…」
神田「わかってる」「わかってるから」「ずっと見ててやる」




Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: 妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs
アルマを抱いて柱に寄りかかって目を閉じている神田
?「クスクス」
瞳を空けると、ドレス来た女性(胸から上はカット)と手をつないで子アルマが
神田とアルマから離れてく姿が。神田の目の前に蓮の花が広がる
(ユウ大好き)
砂地が蓮の花が浮かぶ泥沼のようになってドプンと水面が跳ねる。女性と子アルマの姿はない
神田「…あぁ」
神田、涙を流してアルマの体を抱きしめたまま目を閉じる。
蓮の池の水面がチャプ…ンと再び一跳ね。

Russia・ジカルジャン
キレドリ「がぁああああ」
AKUMA化したキレドリをドパと一刀両断したスカロ元帥
スカロ「もっとシビアになれやアレイスター」「AKUMAになったら仲間じゃねぇ ブチ殺すのみだろーがぁ」
クロちゃん「はぁっ」「はぁっ」
ミランダ「キレドリさん…っ」
クロ「な なんてことだ……っ!」
ジャスデロ「なんてことだぁ~~~~」
ジャスデビとレベル4二体とあと誰か(AKUMA?)登場
 「エクソシスト諸君」「神田ユウが「14番目」を覚醒させちゃったってさ」
スカロ「!」

翼が生えた恐竜系モンスターの額に埋まってる顔「アレン・ウォーカーは間もなくノアとなる」
Greece・レフカス
岩石の突起に腹を貫かれてアボーンしてるゴウシ
?「お前達はさらに選択する」「「14番目」を信じるのか」
泣いているゴウシと戦ったっぽい?リナリー「はぁっ はぁ はぁっ」
?「その者(サード)共を破壊したように アレン・ウォーカーを破壊するのか」

---

?(奴は必ず貴様らにとって破滅の種子となるぞ)
浅池に倒れてるチャオジー
China・黄山
ファインダーAorマリ「しっかりしろチャオジー」「何があった!?」
眼を見開いて汗だく涎垂らしてるチャオジー「は――――」「は――――」「は――――」
ファインターA「様子がおかしい」
マリ「何をされたチャオジー!?」
ファインダーB(マオサかも)「ラビとブックマニがどこにもいない!!」
チャオジー「は――――」「は――――」

ピシッ パァン 精霊石が粉々に
バク「!!」
ティキの目の前でバシュッと消えるフォー「あああああ」
ズゥ「! 精霊石が割れた…」「第三使徒の呪縛が解けるぞッ」
ピシピシピシ ぐおおおおおと狂暴化してバクに襲いかかるトクサが入ってるAKUMA体
体から生えてるアルマの頭(憎い 憎い 教団が憎いぃぃ!!)
ジョニー・リーバー「!!」
ルベリエ「アルマの怨念が…」
バク「消えて ない…っ」
バクちゃんの前に六幻持ったままバアと着地するアレン
ルベリエ「アレン・ウォーカー!!」
 「重大な背信行為だ 自分が何をしたかわかってるのかね!?」
 「アルマ=カルマを神田ユウと共に逃がすとは…っ」バクとトクサの間に立ちふさがるアレン
 「アルマを破壊せねば第三使徒の暴走は止められんというのに」
 アレン、泣いてるトクサと視線を合わせる
 「キミはみすみす救える命を…」「第三使徒計画を潰すつもりかね!!」
バク「ウォーカー…?」

---

バッっと飛んでトクサinAKUMA体のアルマの顔に左手をのめりこますアレン
伯爵「愚かナ…」「アルマ=カルマはとっくに死んでマスヨ♥」
 「あれはもはや怨念だけで呻吟っているノデス♥」
 (アルマ=カルマの悲しみは それ程までに深かったということデショウ♥)
ズゥ「我々の 因果を現したということか……」「第三使徒はもはや」「助からん…」
レニー「人事みたいに言いやがって…っ」「千年伯爵(あんた)さえいなければ私たちは…っ」
アルマの頭からブシュウウウと血が出る。中のトクサも同じところから血が出る
トクサ「ぎゃああああ」
アレン「……トクサ!」
ルベリエ「伯爵の言葉など信じるものか…っ」「第三使徒計画はなんとしても必要なのだ…!!」
 「これは命令だウォーカー」「直ちにゲートでアルマを破壊しに行くのです!!」
 「行かねば貴様はもうエクソシストではない!!」
トクサ(イノセンスめ)(憎い! 憎い!)
アレン「トクサ 目を…っ」「目を覚ませ!!」「キミはアルマじゃない」「これはただのアルマ細胞だ」
 「キミの体なんだよ」「きっと制御(コントロール)できる」
 「キミは僕なんかよりずっと優れた戦士じゃないか」「しっかりしろ!!」
トクサ「わたしを…」「破壊しない…のか…?」「なぜ…?」
アレン「キミこそなぜ諦めるんです」
トクサ「そのまま…」ゴボボ「イノセンスでアルマ細胞を弱め…ろ」
 「アルマの怨念を押えこむ……っ」カッ
アレン「はい!」
(縛羽!!)
ガキィィと呪符で拘束されるアレン「な……っ!?」
呪符を体に貼られて気絶?しているテワクを抱えたリンク「発動を解きたまえアレン・ウォーカー」

トクサ救済の望みをリンクが…断つ!?

目次コメント:椅子をバランスボールに変更☆尻のよく分からない筋肉が使われてる感じがする<星野>


Source: 2ch
Credit: :妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs
Verification: Confirmed
It's all 31 pages in total but there's 1 panel that's still a sketch.
- Kanda sees off Alma. (I think that means Alma's dead...)
- Elsewhere in the world, the Exorcists have exterminated the Akuma-fied Thirds
- But in China, Chaoji is found to have a similiar face to when he was in the Zombie arc and seems to be acting strange. "Lavi and Bookman are nowhere to be seen!!"
- The spirit stone breaks and Fou disappears.
- "Tokusa, hang in there. Don't give in to Alma's cells!" During this, Link appears. What will Tokusa do? "Tokusa, what are you doing?" End of chapter.

The big announcement is that Hoshino is having autograph session at Jump Festa.
Volume 21 will have a mini-poster attatched and with the first shipping it'll come with a special drawing on paper.

Aww, I was hoping it would be something better but I guess they haven't announced the signing publically yet. *wishes I could go~*

And put up preorders for vol.21 now dammit![/QUOTE]


Credit/Source: 2ch, saladesu@MH
Verification: pending

31 pages. 1 of the panels seems to have been drawn in pencil (TN: aka it looked rough and sketchy) but it was probably supposed to be that way

- Kanda sends off Alma
- Exorcists have exterminated and continue to exterminate all 3rd exorcists who have turned into Akuma all over the world
- But in China, Chaoji is found to have a face that looks like the time in the zombie arc and seems a bit off. "Lavi and Bookman are nowhere to be found!!"
- Fou disappears as the spirit stone breaks
- Tokusa: "All the best! Don't lose to Alma's cells!", just then Link appears. Link: "What are you doing?"
That's all for this chapter

As for the big announcement. Hoshino-sensei will have a signing session at Jump Face Festa!
Volume 21 will include a mini-poster and the first printing will have some special drawings (Jump Comics ver)



Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: -
More details:

Alma passes away: 12 pages
Scene at the reasearch lab: 13 pages
Everything else: 6 pages

Will post more details after returning home in the evening.




Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: -
[fieldset=translation for Spoiler #3]Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: 妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs
There's no chapter title page.

Text: For the sake of letting these two escape

Allen: *mentally commanding the Ark* Ark, take these two to Martel, to a place where no one can reach.

Kanda passed through the gate with Alma in his arms; the latter only has the top half of his body left, his arms were as long as Kanda is tall and is in a weakened state.

*Gate sound effects* They fell out the gate onto where Kanda and Allen battled the Akuma in Martel.

Text: To the place of the conclusion between Kanda and Alma...

Exhausted Kanda: ...! *the Gate shatters and its pieces fall to the ground*

Kanda: The Gate is crumbling...

Kanda's hair doesn't return to normal and the cracks on his body don't heal.

Kanda: Bean sprout... *breathing*

Alma: Poor child.... I understand that... The Akuma part of me that's of the Millenium Ear can... feel it... That child is a Noah... And also... badly, with the Earl--! *Alma's body crumbles even more*

Kanda: Stop talking stupid.

Alma *while panting a lot* Y- Yuu... Just like this, please watch... Don't use your Innocence...

Kanda: I know.

Alma: Until my soul is eaten up by Dark Matter...

Kanda: Yeah.

Alma: Even now, I can't forgive the Order... The feelings of hate... are unbearable... But... Should I sink into the mud... *there's a group picture of the Second Exocist lab people (it's the sketchy panel)*

Alma: I've killed... so many.... I even borrowed power from the Earl... so many...

Kanda: I understand. It's because I understand that I'll watch it all.



Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: 妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs
Carrying Alma, Kanda approached a column, leaned against it and closed his eyes.

?: *chuckle*

When Kanda's(?) eyes open, a woman in a dress (the panel cuts off above her breast line so can't see the face) is holding the hand of a child Alma.

Kanda was a far off figure from Alma. Lotus flowers spread out before Kanda's eyes.

Text: Love you, Yuu.

The sandy soil became like the mud on which lotus flowers float and broke through the surface of the water with a splash. (I'm confused about this line). Then there was no sign of the woman or child Alma.

Kanda: ...yeah.

As Kanda held on tight to a tearful Alma, he closed his eyes.
The was one more splash on the surface of the lotus pond.

--- 

RUSSIA, Zhikanzhan

Kiredori: GHAAAAAAA!

The Akuma-fied Kiredori was cut in two by one stroke from General Sokalo.

Sokalo: You gotta be more severe, Aleister. If they turn into Akuma they ain't our comrades. There's only killing them, got it?
Krory: *pants*
Miranda: Mr. Kiredori...
Krory: Wh-- What's the meaning of this..!
Jasdero: What's the meaning of thiiiiiiis~~
Jasdero, two Level 4s and more Akuma(?) appear.
"Ladies and gentle-Exorcists, Kanda Yuu has awaked the 14th."
Sokalo: !

The face in the middle of a winged dinosaur-monster's forehead (wft Hoshino): Allen Walker will soon become a Noah.

GREECE, Lefkas
An eliminated Goushi with a protruding rock right through his abdomen.

?: All of you will have to again make a choice. Do you believe in teh '14th'?
A crying Lenalee that seemed to have battled Goushi: *out of breath*
?: Will you destroy Allen Walker like you did that person (refers to Goushi)?

?: (not said aloud) That guy will definitely be the seed of destruction for you all.

Chaoji who fell on the battlefield.

CHINA, Mount Huang

Either Finder A or Marie: Get a hold of yourself Chaoji! What happened!?

Chaoji's eyes were wide open; he's sweating profusely, drooling and breathing heavily through mouth.

Finder A: His condition is strange.

Marie: What did you do Chaoji!?

Finder B (probably Maosa, one of Chaoji's old shipmates): Lavi and Bookman are nowhere to be found!!

Chaoji continues to struggle with breathing.

*sound effect of breaking* The Spirit Stone turns to dust.

Bak: !!

For who disappears before Tyki: Aaaaaaaaah

Zuu: The Spirit Stone has shattered... The spell on the Third Exorcists have broken.

Tokusa who took an attack from a frenzied Bak went into the Akuma body. (Not sure aabout this translation)

Alma heads growing on the Akuma body: Hate! Hate! I hate the Order!!

Johnny and Reever: !!

Leverrier: Alma's hatred...

Bak: Didn't disappear...

Allen landed in front of Bak still holding Mugen.

Leverrier: Allen Walker!! You've commited serious treason. You understand what's going to happen, don't you!? Alma Karma and Kanda Yuu who've escaped together... *Allen steps in between Bak and Tokusa* Despite how destroying Alma won't stop the Third Exorcists rampage, *Allen meets the crying Tokusa's eyes* Those lives in front of your eyes that you can save... You intend to end the Third Exorcists project don't you!! (Not sure about all this translation either.)

Bak: Walker...

Allen was sent flying before one of the Alma faces on Tokusa absorbed his left hand. (Not sure what's really going on here sorry)

Earl: How foolish... Alma Karma is already dead. ♥ That is only pure hatred that's moaning now ♥ (not said aloud) That means Alma Karma's sorrow was this deep.

Zuu: This is to signify our fate, isn't it... The Third Exorcists already can't be saved...

Renee: Don't you dare say that as if it's our fault... If you (the Earl) didn't exist, we wouldn't have--

Blood gushes out of the Alma head(s?). Tokusa is also bleeding from the same spot.

Tokusa: Gyaaaaaah!

Allen: Tokusa!

Leverrier: Are you going to believe the Earl's words? The Third Exorcist plan was necessary at all costs!! This is an order Walker, use the Gate and go destroy Alma immediately!! If you don't go then you are no longer an Exorcist!!

Tokusa: (not said out loud) Innocence. Hate! Hate!

Allen: Tokusa, open-- Open your eyes!! You're not Alma, it's only Alma's cells. It's your own body, you can definitely control it. Aren't you a better fighter than me? Get a hold of yourself!!

Tokusa: You aren't... going to... destroy me? Why...?

Allen: If it was you, why would you give up.

Tokusa: Then... *sound effects* weaken Alma's cells with... Innocence. Suppress Alma's hatred...

Allen: Right!

"Binding Feathers!" The amulet charms bind Allen.

Allen: Huh?

Link carrying a fainted Tevak who's stuck on with amulets: Please release your invocation Allen Walker. (a.k.a 'stop your Innocence')

Tokusa's hope for salvation is... severed?

---

Hoshino's TOC comments: I've replaced my chair with a balance ball. ☆ I can feel myself using muscles I didn't know I have on my backside.

TitaniumChloride
October 31, 2010, 03:10 AM
Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: 妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs

ってDグレ
全31Pで1コマだけ鉛筆書きあるけど多分演出
・アルマ見送る神田
・世界各地でAKUMA化したサード達を退治した、するエクソシスト達
・ただ中国ではチャオジーがゾンビ編みたいな顔でおかしくなってるのが発見されて
「ラビとブックマニがどこにもいない!!」
・精霊石がわれてフォー消える
・トクサ頑張れアルマ細胞に負けるな!なところでリンクが現れトクサに何するんだ?
なところで次回

あと重大発表はジャンプフェスで星野先生サイン会!
コミック21巻はミニポスター付きと初回出荷分に描き下ろし特典ペーパー(JCVer.)
でした


Source: 2ch
Credit: :妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs
Verification: Confirmed
It's all 31 pages in total but there's 1 panel that's still a sketch.
- Kanda sees off Alma. (I think that means Alma's dead...)
- Elsewhere in the world, the Exorcists have exterminated the Akuma-fied Thirds
- But in China, Chaoji is found to have a similiar face to when he was in the Zombie arc and seems to be acting strange. "Lavi and Bookman are nowhere to be seen!!"
- The spirit stone breaks and Fou disappears.
- "Tokusa, hang in there. Don't give in to Alma's cells!" During this, Link appears. What will Tokusa do? "Tokusa, what are you doing?" End of chapter.

The big announcement is that Hoshino is having autograph session at Jump Festa.
Volume 21 will have a mini-poster attatched and with the first shipping it'll come with a special drawing on paper.

Aww, I was hoping it would be something better but I guess they haven't announced the signing publically yet. *wishes I could go~*

And put up preorders for vol.21 now dammit!

Zibi234
October 31, 2010, 03:19 AM
thx that you translated it fast....I kinda just woke up xD saw spoiler and noticed no one posted it so far ^^

but yeah when I focused on it more I saw the same stuff you posted above...

anyway I wonder if we will see lenalee... yet its kinda sad that sumo-guy and that other 3rd girl got to die... they lost to alma cells and gameover for them... yet I guess tevak was able to resist

saladesu
October 31, 2010, 03:20 AM
well the spoiler guy posted today something like this...

青は1P下書きがあるねぇ
+みたいに顔のパーツのあたり線だっけ?専門用語わからないけど、そういうのがあるキャラもいる

ってDグレ
全31Pで1コマだけ鉛筆書きあるけど多分演出
・アルマ見送る神田
・世界各地でAKUMA化したサード達を退治した、するエクソシスト達
・ただ中国ではチャオジーがゾンビ編みたいな顔でおかしくなってるのが発見されて
「ラビとブックマニがどこにもいない!!」
・精霊石がわれてフォー消える
・トクサ頑張れアルマ細胞に負けるな!なところでリンクが現れトクサに何するんだ?
なところで次回

あと重大発表はジャンプフェスで星野先生サイン会!
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でした

Credit/Source: 2ch, saladesu@MH
Verification: pending

31 pages. 1 of the panels seems to have been drawn in pencil (TN: aka it looked rough and sketchy) but it was probably supposed to be that way

- Kanda sends off Alma
- Exorcists have exterminated and continue to exterminate all 3rd exorcists who have turned into Akuma all over the world
- But in China, Chaoji is found to have a face that looks like the time in the zombie arc and seems a bit off. "Lavi and Bookman are nowhere to be found!!"
- Fou disappears as the spirit stone breaks
- Tokusa: "All the best! Don't lose to Alma's cells!", just then Link appears. Link: "What are you doing?"
That's all for this chapter

As for the big announcement. Hoshino-sensei will have a signing session at Jump Face Festa!
Volume 21 will include a mini-poster and the first printing will have some special drawings (Jump Comics ver)

Doesn't seem like a very interesting chapter. Except, what is Tokusa doing? :blink And is Fou gone for good? :(


EDIT: lol, seems like I kept the page open too long without refreshing before starting translating. oh wells.

TitaniumChloride
October 31, 2010, 03:25 AM
Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: -

詳細あり
むしろ12月号でしか申し込めない
申し込み締め切り11/24消印有効


アルマが逝くシーンで12P
研究所内シーンで13P
その他6P


夜帰宅したら詳細投下します


Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: -

More details:

Alma passes away: 12 pages
Scene at the reasearch lab: 13 pages
Everything else: 6 pages

Will post more details after returning home in the evening.

Zibi234
October 31, 2010, 03:26 AM
Doesn't seem like a very interesting chapter. Except, what is Tokusa doing? :blink And is Fou gone for good? :(


no no... spirit stone broke which is a medium that allows Fou to appear in different world part except China base....

spirit stone broke and she had to leave america base and return to china base where she orginally belongs to...

but man... why had Hoshino to waste 12pages on the Alma-Kanda parting >__< Alma is dead ok we know that from last chapter as he was not responding to Kanda anymore... yet the spoiler states that there is even 1 whole page-panel wasted on Kanda saying "Goodbye Alma" [what a waste >__>]

its kinda sad that its sooo many pages wasted on this matter... I predict lots of crying in this part

hmmm I was wondering about the reserch lab.... is it about NA destroyed branch ?? I guess the 6pages everything else reffers to Chouji, Lavi, Bookman that were to fight the "fiddler noah" (no idea what his power is about)

still I wonder what happened to Allen... did he go with the noah's.. did he run away and noah went to chase him.... was he forefully captured... since link had time to talk to tokusa who was in the middle of it >__<

saladesu
October 31, 2010, 03:32 AM
no no... spirit stone broke which is a medium that allows Fou to appear in different world part except China base....

spirit stone broke and she had to leave america base and return to china base where she orginally belongs to...

Okay that's good :) I forgot that was the role of the spirit stone. I thought it was something that bounded her existence or something.

And Alma taking 12 pages to die... That sounds pretty long. Well yay for some nice Kanda/Alma moments I guess.

TitaniumChloride
October 31, 2010, 03:43 AM
...yet the spoiler states that there is even 1 whole page-panel wasted on Kanda saying "Goodbye Alma" [what a waste >__>]...

Where did it say that? :blink

Dlanor_A.Knox
October 31, 2010, 04:01 AM
Yay~ best halloween ever!! this is waaaaay better than candy xD
Link finally showed up, I wonder if Timcampy still is so huge!!
But why Chaoji >.< I want to see Lavi!

(sorry for my english, I'm to excited xD)

TitaniumChloride
October 31, 2010, 05:33 AM
Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: 妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs

表紙無し 煽り:2人を逃がすために

アレン(方舟よ ふたりをマテールへ 誰の手も届かない果ての地へ)
上半身だけ、両腕が神田の背丈位伸びた状態のアルマを抱いてゲートを通ってる神田
カアアア ヒュッ どさぁ とゲートを抜けてマテールでAKUMAと戦った場所に落ちる

煽り:神田とアルマ終局の地へ…

息切れしてる神田「……!?」パキ… パララ とゲートのかけらが上から降ってくる
神田「ゲートが崩れていく…」
ゲートNo.は-?-。神田の髪は元に戻ってなくて体のひび割れも修復してない
神田「モヤシ…」「は…」「は…」
アルマ「かわいそうな子……」「ぼくにはわかる…」
 「千年伯爵の分身であるAKUMAには…感じ……るんだ……」
 「あの子はノアだよ…」「それも…ひどく伯爵と…… ……っ!」
ビシィッとアルマの体が更にひび割れ
神田「もう喋んなバカ」
アルマ、ハアハアしながら「ユ… ハァ ユウ…」「このまま見てて……」
 「イノセンスは使わないで…っ」
神田「わかってる」
アルマ「ぼくの魂がダークマターに潰されるまで…」
神田「あぁ」
アルマ「今でも教団が許せない…っ 憎くて……たまらないよ」
 「でも」「ぼくは泥に沈むべきだ…」第二使徒計画研究者たちの集合絵(これだけ鉛筆画)
 「ぼくは殺した…たくさん……伯爵にまで力を貸して…たくさん…」
神田「わかってる」「わかってるから」「ずっと見ててやる」


Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: 妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs
There's no chapter title page.

Text: For the sake of letting these two escape

Allen: *mentally commanding the Ark* Ark, take these two to Martel, to a place where no one can reach.

Kanda passed through the gate with Alma in his arms; the latter only has the top half of his body left, his arms were as long as Kanda is tall and is in a weakened state.

*Gate sound effects* They fell out the gate onto where Kanda and Allen battled the Akuma in Martel.

Text: To the place of the conclusion between Kanda and Alma...

Exhausted Kanda: ...! *the Gate shatters and its pieces fall to the ground*

Kanda: The Gate is crumbling...

Kanda's hair doesn't return to normal and the cracks on his body don't heal.

Kanda: Bean sprout... *breathing*

Alma: Poor child.... I understand that... The Akuma part of me that's of the Millenium Ear can... feel it... That child is a Noah... And also... badly, with the Earl--! *Alma's body crumbles even more*

Kanda: Stop talking stupid.

Alma *while panting a lot* Y- Yuu... Just like this, please watch... Don't use your Innocence...

Kanda: I know.

Alma: Until my soul is eaten up by Dark Matter...

Kanda: Yeah.

Alma: Even now, I can't forgive the Order... The feelings of hate... are unbearable... But... Should I sink into the mud... *there's a group picture of the Second Exocist lab people (it's the sketchy panel)*

Alma: I've killed... so many.... I even borrowed power from the Earl... so many...

Kanda: I understand. It's because I understand that I'll watch it all.

Zibi234
October 31, 2010, 06:00 AM
hmmmm I see this is the first part of the conversation between Kanda and Alma...

what I see is that Kanda holds Alma... and above his head he sees the gate with nr. ? crumbles.... than there is a comment about allen but I dont know from who (alma or kanda... I guess its alma talking)... like "Now I understand... that child is a noah"

later alma comments that her soul is crushed by the dark matter... and that he/she deserves it becouse he/she lend power to earl and in the end killed a LOT OF PEOPLE (whole NA branch)...

well generally its a dieing talk between those two

TitaniumChloride
October 31, 2010, 06:10 AM
Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: 妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs
アルマを抱いて柱に寄りかかって目を閉じている神田
?「クスクス」
瞳を空けると、ドレス来た女性(胸から上はカット)と手をつないで子アルマが
神田とアルマから離れてく姿が。神田の目の前に蓮の花が広がる
(ユウ大好き)
砂地が蓮の花が浮かぶ泥沼のようになってドプンと水面が跳ねる。女性と子アルマの姿はない
神田「…あぁ」
神田、涙を流してアルマの体を抱きしめたまま目を閉じる。
蓮の池の水面がチャプ…ンと再び一跳ね。

Russia・ジカルジャン
キレドリ「がぁああああ」
AKUMA化したキレドリをドパと一刀両断したスカロ元帥
スカロ「もっとシビアになれやアレイスター」「AKUMAになったら仲間じゃねぇ ブチ殺すのみだろーがぁ」
クロちゃん「はぁっ」「はぁっ」
ミランダ「キレドリさん…っ」
クロ「な なんてことだ……っ!」
ジャスデロ「なんてことだぁ~~~~」
ジャスデビとレベル4二体とあと誰か(AKUMA?)登場
 「エクソシスト諸君」「神田ユウが「14番目」を覚醒させちゃったってさ」
スカロ「!」

翼が生えた恐竜系モンスターの額に埋まってる顔「アレン・ウォーカーは間もなくノアとなる」
Greece・レフカス
岩石の突起に腹を貫かれてアボーンしてるゴウシ
?「お前達はさらに選択する」「「14番目」を信じるのか」
泣いているゴウシと戦ったっぽい?リナリー「はぁっ はぁ はぁっ」
?「その者(サード)共を破壊したように アレン・ウォーカーを破壊するのか」

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?(奴は必ず貴様らにとって破滅の種子となるぞ)
浅池に倒れてるチャオジー
China・黄山
ファインダーAorマリ「しっかりしろチャオジー」「何があった!?」
眼を見開いて汗だく涎垂らしてるチャオジー「は――――」「は――――」「は――――」
ファインターA「様子がおかしい」
マリ「何をされたチャオジー!?」
ファインダーB(マオサかも)「ラビとブックマニがどこにもいない!!」
チャオジー「は――――」「は――――」

ピシッ パァン 精霊石が粉々に
バク「!!」
ティキの目の前でバシュッと消えるフォー「あああああ」
ズゥ「! 精霊石が割れた…」「第三使徒の呪縛が解けるぞッ」
ピシピシピシ ぐおおおおおと狂暴化してバクに襲いかかるトクサが入ってるAKUMA体
体から生えてるアルマの頭(憎い 憎い 教団が憎いぃぃ!!)
ジョニー・リーバー「!!」
ルベリエ「アルマの怨念が…」
バク「消えて ない…っ」
バクちゃんの前に六幻持ったままバアと着地するアレン
ルベリエ「アレン・ウォーカー!!」
 「重大な背信行為だ 自分が何をしたかわかってるのかね!?」
 「アルマ=カルマを神田ユウと共に逃がすとは…っ」バクとトクサの間に立ちふさがるアレン
 「アルマを破壊せねば第三使徒の暴走は止められんというのに」
 アレン、泣いてるトクサと視線を合わせる
 「キミはみすみす救える命を…」「第三使徒計画を潰すつもりかね!!」
バク「ウォーカー…?」

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バッっと飛んでトクサinAKUMA体のアルマの顔に左手をのめりこますアレン
伯爵「愚かナ…」「アルマ=カルマはとっくに死んでマスヨ♥」
 「あれはもはや怨念だけで呻吟っているノデス♥」
 (アルマ=カルマの悲しみは それ程までに深かったということデショウ♥)
ズゥ「我々の 因果を現したということか……」「第三使徒はもはや」「助からん…」
レニー「人事みたいに言いやがって…っ」「千年伯爵(あんた)さえいなければ私たちは…っ」
アルマの頭からブシュウウウと血が出る。中のトクサも同じところから血が出る
トクサ「ぎゃああああ」
アレン「……トクサ!」
ルベリエ「伯爵の言葉など信じるものか…っ」「第三使徒計画はなんとしても必要なのだ…!!」
 「これは命令だウォーカー」「直ちにゲートでアルマを破壊しに行くのです!!」
 「行かねば貴様はもうエクソシストではない!!」
トクサ(イノセンスめ)(憎い! 憎い!)
アレン「トクサ 目を…っ」「目を覚ませ!!」「キミはアルマじゃない」「これはただのアルマ細胞だ」
 「キミの体なんだよ」「きっと制御(コントロール)できる」
 「キミは僕なんかよりずっと優れた戦士じゃないか」「しっかりしろ!!」
トクサ「わたしを…」「破壊しない…のか…?」「なぜ…?」
アレン「キミこそなぜ諦めるんです」
トクサ「そのまま…」ゴボボ「イノセンスでアルマ細胞を弱め…ろ」
 「アルマの怨念を押えこむ……っ」カッ
アレン「はい!」
(縛羽!!)
ガキィィと呪符で拘束されるアレン「な……っ!?」
呪符を体に貼られて気絶?しているテワクを抱えたリンク「発動を解きたまえアレン・ウォーカー」

トクサ救済の望みをリンクが…断つ!?

目次コメント:椅子をバランスボールに変更☆尻のよく分からない筋肉が使われてる感じがする<星野>


Confirmed
Source: 2ch DGM Spoiler Thread 102
Credits: 妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs
Carrying Alma, Kanda approached a column, leaned against it and closed his eyes.

?: *chuckle*

When Kanda's(?) eyes open, a woman in a dress (the panel cuts off above her breast line so can't see the face) is holding the hand of a child Alma.

Kanda was a far off figure from Alma. Lotus flowers spread out before Kanda's eyes.

Text: Love you, Yuu.

The sandy soil became like the mud on which lotus flowers float and broke through the surface of the water with a splash. (I'm confused about this line). Then there was no sign of the woman or child Alma.

Kanda: ...yeah.

As Kanda held on tight to a tearful Alma, he closed his eyes.
The was one more splash on the surface of the lotus pond.

--- 

RUSSIA, Zhikanzhan

Kiredori: GHAAAAAAA!

The Akuma-fied Kiredori was cut in two by one stroke from General Sokalo.

Sokalo: You gotta be more severe, Aleister. If they turn into Akuma they ain't our comrades. There's only killing them, got it?

Krory: *pants*

Miranda: Mr. Kiredori...

Krory: Wh-- What's the meaning of this..!

Jasdero: What's the meaning of thiiiiiiis~~

Jasdero, two Level 4s and more Akuma(?) appear.

"Ladies and gentle-Exorcists, Kanda Yuu has awakened the 14th."

Sokalo: !

The face in the middle of a winged dinosaur-monster's forehead (wft Hoshino): Allen Walker will soon become a Noah.

GREECE, Lefkas
An eliminated Goushi with a protruding rock right through his abdomen.

?: All of you will have to again make a choice. Do you believe in the '14th'?

A crying Lenalee that seemed to have battled Goushi: *out of breath*

?: Will you destroy Allen Walker like you did that person (refers to Goushi)?

?: (not said aloud) That guy will definitely be the seed of destruction for you all.

Chaoji who fell on the battlefield.

CHINA, Mount Huang

Either Finder A or Marie: Get a hold of yourself Chaoji! What happened!?

Chaoji's eyes were wide open; he's sweating profusely, drooling and breathing heavily through mouth.

Finder A: His condition is strange.

Marie: What did you do Chaoji!?

Finder B (probably Maosa, one of Chaoji's old shipmates): Lavi and Bookman are nowhere to be found!!

Chaoji continues to struggle with breathing.

*sound effect of breaking* The Spirit Stone turns to dust.

Bak: !!

For who disappears before Tyki: Aaaaaaaaah

Zuu: The Spirit Stone has shattered... The spell on the Third Exorcists have broken.

Tokusa who took an attack from a frenzied Bak went into the Akuma body. (Not sure aabout this translation)

Alma heads growing on the Akuma body: Hate! Hate! I hate the Order!!

Johnny and Reever: !!

Leverrier: Alma's hatred...

Bak: Didn't disappear...

Allen landed in front of Bak still holding Mugen.

Leverrier: Allen Walker!! You've commited serious treason. You understand what's going to happen what you've done, don't you!? Alma Karma and Kanda Yuu who've escaped together... *Allen steps in between Bak and Tokusa* Despite how destroying Alma won't stop the Third Exorcists rampage, *Allen meets the crying Tokusa's eyes* Those lives in front of your eyes that you can save... You intend to end the Third Exorcists project don't you!! (Not sure about all this translation either.)

Bak: Walker...

Allen was sent flying before one of the Alma faces on Tokusa absorbed his left hand. (Not sure what's really going on here sorry)

Earl: How foolish... Alma Karma is already dead. ♥ That is only pure hatred that's moaning now ♥ (not said aloud) That means Alma Karma's sorrow was this deep.

Zuu: This is to signify our fate, isn't it... The Third Exorcists already can't be saved...

Renee: Don't you dare say that as if it's our fault... If you (the Earl) didn't exist, we wouldn't have--

Blood gushes out of the Alma head(s?). Tokusa is also bleeding from the same spot.

Tokusa: Gyaaaaaah!

Allen: Tokusa!

Leverrier: Are you going to believe the Earl's words? The Third Exorcist plan was necessary at all costs!! This is an order Walker, use the Gate and go destroy Alma immediately!! If you don't go then you are no longer an Exorcist!!

Tokusa: (not said out loud) Innocence. Hate! Hate!

Allen: Tokusa, open-- Open your eyes!! You're not Alma, it's only Alma's cells. It's your own body, you can definitely control it. Aren't you a better fighter than me? Get a hold of yourself!!

Tokusa: You aren't... going to... destroy me? Why...?

Allen: If it was you, why would you give up.

Tokusa: Then... *sound effects* weaken Alma's cells with... Innocence. Suppress Alma's hatred...

Allen: Right!

"Binding Feathers!" The amulet charms bind Allen.

Allen: Huh?

Link carrying a fainted Tevak who's stuck on with amulets: Please release your invocation Allen Walker. (a.k.a 'stop your Innocence')

Tokusa's hope for salvation is... severed?

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Hoshino's TOC comments: I've replaced my chair with a balance ball. ☆ I can feel myself using muscles I didn't know I have on my backside.

Zibi234
October 31, 2010, 06:31 AM
hmmmm interesting... it seems that in all parts of the world where fights happen... there is left a message about 14th awakening...that allen soon will be a noah too... or that he is the seed of destruction that will bring death to exorcists... and stuff like that XD

Kidori and sumo-guy are mostly byebye as they went berserk... I guess lenalee is fighting the sumo-guy but has tears in her eyes while doing so...

well next is that spirit stone crushed and Fou disappeared in front of Tyki... next I guess Tokusa-akuma is attacking bak... but then Allen with kandas swords stands between them... dont know what is happening but I guess he doesnt want to kill Takusa... what makes Leaveier yell about betrayer blabla... (1sentence : P).... Bak notices tears in Allen's eye(s)

or hmm... Marie finding Chouji with eyes wide open... but he seems strange (no clue what happened).. no sign of bookman or Lavi (maybe they heared about allens awakening and went to record that ;P)

edit: well there are the 4 part on 2ch but I wont disturb the 1post whole scipt ^^

anyway the last part is more like Allen tries to calm down Tokusa and the alma cells... he places his left hand on his face... and yells that tokusa is a soldier...he must stand steady... toksua begins to calm down as the innocence pushes back the alma cells... and then... allens strenght is kinda gone becouse to his back was placed a talisman (of Link who holds Tevak) and here chapter ends...

Niko_kun
October 31, 2010, 08:26 AM
OMG!!! finally anyone that's not allen or kanda. Im really excited now!

Naomidee
October 31, 2010, 08:41 AM
Maybe the reason Hoshino's avoiding Lavi and Bookman is because they're 86ing that joint. They were never truly on The Church's side anyway. I've always had that feeling that they might leave at anytime. The Bookman might finally be letting their Switzerland colors show! o:

andrewsungchehau
October 31, 2010, 08:43 AM
Wow, seems like a 1st half conclusion for this arc to me.
Nice to see other characters.xD
Man, its been like a year since this arc started, time sure flies.

Jaymie
October 31, 2010, 08:48 AM
The Akuma-fied Kiredori was cut in two by one stroke from General Sokalo.

LOL. I'm sorry, but I burst out laughing at that line.

At least the matter of the Thirds is cleared up. And we get to see all of the old exorcists again! Next chapter will probably be some dramatic Link/Tokusa crap, and hopefully the end of this arc?

TitaniumChloride
October 31, 2010, 11:31 AM
That took way too long guys. Sorry >_<

All in all, I thought it's a well thought out chapter and I'm looking forward to reading this with the pictures~ (and better translations of course, because I haven't even done the first JPLT exam yet, pfft)

Misc. info: I went through about 5 online Jap dictionaries for this spoiler script. =D

MSofAofCOCA
October 31, 2010, 11:31 AM
so..is anyone else aside from me excited to see Jasdero more so than the exorcists? no? Okay then.
Looks like the plot is moving again ( i really hope Kanda collapsed, and didn't die), but i'm worried.............Link restrained allen (right?), so......................no escape for him? and Leverrier is still being douchy "Traitor for destroying the 3rds"
IT WAS YOUR FAULT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
yeah. best halloween present. evar. =)

TitaniumChloride
October 31, 2010, 11:45 AM
@MSofAofCOCA: No, Kanda didn't seem to be dead.

Btw, am I the only one who thinks Link stopping Allen was because Tokusa was lying to the kid so that he kills him with Innocence?

relory
October 31, 2010, 11:57 AM
Btw, am I the only one who thinks Link stopping Allen was because Tokusa was lying to the kid so that he kills him with Innocence?

No, I think so too.. Also, Link's already worried after hearing about Tevak's dream (about Allen killing Madarao and Tokusa) and now he probably got that 'confirmed' D: Poor Allen :(

aorin
October 31, 2010, 01:14 PM
That took way too long guys. Sorry >_<

I just want to thank you for all the hassle and trouble that you've gone through just to translate this for us :) Your hard work is really appreciated!

Link probably misunderstood the situation. I don't think he'd stop Allen from saving Tokusa if he knew what was going on. I'm going to reserve judgment on him until the next chapter.

Then again, Lvellie really had a bad timing. Isn't this like the worst time to call Allen a traitor, god knows he's the only thing that's standing between them and the Noah. =.=

MSofAofCOCA
October 31, 2010, 01:22 PM
I just want to thank you for all the hassle and trouble that you've gone through just to translate this for us :) Your hard work is really appreciated!

Link probably misunderstood the situation. I don't think he'd stop Allen from saving Tokusa if he knew what was going on. I'm going to reserve judgment on him until the next chapter.

Then again, Lvellie really had a bad timing. Isn't this like the worst time to call Allen a traitor, god knows he's the only thing that's standing between them and the Noah. =.=

Levirier + common sense? I think not.
I'm kinda worried that everyone else will get the wrong message about the situation as well....and may chaoji is coming closer to being a fallen one? =/ idk. i was kinda hoping we'll have some other noah interaction...

aorin
October 31, 2010, 01:28 PM
Levirier + common sense? I think not.
I'm kinda worried that everyone else will get the wrong message about the situation as well....and may chaoji is coming closer to being a fallen one? =/ idk. i was kinda hoping we'll have some other noah interaction...

Well, surely someone of his status ought to have more sense than to insult and scream at the only thing standing between them and a tragic death. Lvellie, I'm disappointed in you!

HD-ray
October 31, 2010, 01:48 PM
Man T feel sorry for Allen, Leverier already suspects Allen for being a traitor, because he didn't go after Alma. But perhaps The Earl can save Allen.

kpmaie
October 31, 2010, 01:52 PM
Lvellie alway was an asshole :C He would do everything to win that war...
Awww Linalee, i was missing her. Also I'm woried that Link took Tevak with him. Isn't he woried she will kill Allen as she saw in her dream (?)

BTW, I'm new, very nice too meet you all :)

Zibi234
October 31, 2010, 02:06 PM
Nah I guess tevak and link want to save both allen and tokusa... and dont play noah game like in the dream tevak saw...

I mean tevak did not go to berserk mode so she and link could have the general idea on how to stop tokusa going berserk...

or they misunderstood the situation of allen stopping alma cells with his innocence... with the "allen wants to kill tokusa with his innocence" so they stopped allen...

yet question is what will leavier do... inprison allen as a traitor becouse of his false and selfish belives (that doing 3rds is good and not evil...)... or will order people stand on allens side this time... even noah's said to other exorcists... will you side with the 14th who might bring your own destruction...ect.

well I doubt timcanpy would allow allen to get hurt... as he is the one that saved his ass with that spell breaker... allen shown abilities to command the ark with his own will... so he can connect gate to gate as he wishes... and not gate -> ark -> gate (he can skip the entering ark and search for the right door thing)

hmmm as for chouji I dont remember what kind of noah power fiddler has (you know tyki -> joy... road -> dream... their power is kinda in the nameing >__< )... anyway I think chouji simply fell under that noah power... we can remember that he is a freshman kinda weakling...

maybe lavi and bookman are simply hostages if allen would not come with earl [if you wont come allen we will kill your friends... lavi and bookman and maybe more]

sorgiva
October 31, 2010, 02:19 PM
so..is anyone else aside from me excited to see Jasdero more so than the exorcists? no? Okay then.
You can relax, I'm excited just as much as you about his appeareance :DD

kpmaie
October 31, 2010, 03:56 PM
Oh dear O.o. Split it out Zibi. I pray to every gods and whatever that Allen won't go with noah. DGM would lost all awesomeness. And i belive that ppl from order will stand on his side, he showed them lots of time they can have faith in him. I kinda think that after this fight Order will break. I mean Allen's friends (Komui, Bak, Miranda, Johny etc) gonna be with Allen. that would be most of Black order. And that could be that third side ^^

Asclepius
October 31, 2010, 04:21 PM
Nice to see that Alma didn't die yet. But i was expecting to see Alma telling Kanda what he discovered since he heard and saw things before killing everyone. Maybe he knows what is the name of the exorcist that "originated" Kanda.

It seems Allen won't make his move in this chapter. Creating an unofficial branch of exoscists seems possible as some fellows said. Komui and others are certainly pissed at the order for all the interferance from the new guys from Central. I agree that they will support Allen, if he leaves the Order.

Dlanor_A.Knox
October 31, 2010, 05:11 PM
Thank you for the spoilers~!!

Stupid Link, can't he see Allen is doing his very best to save everyone >.< and where is Tim 0o0

Chaoiji is in pain YAAAY~!! \^0^/

Naomidee
October 31, 2010, 10:50 PM
Yeah, Tim is one of the best characters. ;~;

And were we meant to hate Chaoiji this much, Hoshino? Just wondering. XD I don't necessarily HATE hate him, but I have very little fondness. Ever since he held a grudge against Allen for being concerned over Tykki, I've felt icky towards him.

I can't wait for some spoiler pictures though! I never really could quite grasp the spoiler text without something to accompany it. XP

Snowolf
October 31, 2010, 11:55 PM
Ah, the end of October. How I look forward to the end of every month and the beginning of the next purely for DGM. :D

Back to these new spoilers, I find it equally nice and frustrating to have this little period of 'breaktime' for the characters. We see just a bit of resolvement for some people *cough cough Kanda/Alma* and none for the others *cough cough EVERYONE ELSE* I am so happy to see Jasdero! I missed them. Or him. Or...whatever.

Of course, we all know that blind Levorrier is going to yell at Allen despite him saving his and the Order's butt from both Alma, Kanda, Akuma, the Earl and his minions, AND himself, but you know what? OF COURSE THAT DOESN'T COUNT. What are you talking about. *smirks*

I'm pretty darn sure that Link's movements are based on his fear that Allen's going to go beserk or something. As much as I'd love to see that, I don't think it's going to happen. And all the meanwhile, the Earl is standing lordly over the whole scene and nobody's really paying much attention to him. Huh. Well, I hope this gets resolved soon. As much as I want Allen 'joining' the Noahs to see a bit of development, IDK if it'll happen. We'll see.

Is it me or is the Black Order going to have to find new HQ AGAIN?! Wow, you have to imagine how long they had their first HQ for...*sigh*

Dlanor_A.Knox
November 01, 2010, 12:30 AM
Don't worry, this isn't the HQ, they are in the America Branch right now xD
The HQ is in England.

Seriously, the Earl is funny xD
Wonder if he's stays wrapped up..... Poor Wisely and Sheryl hahaha xD

lil_clutterbox
November 01, 2010, 03:22 AM
thanks for the post! though i kind of expect something much more good than this ^^

but anyway, Im happy being able to see the other exorcists < except bookman and lavi --wtf! of all the people, WHY LAVI???!!!> i agreed that the story is now moving on. Cant w8 to see the scans!!!

kpmaie
November 01, 2010, 03:38 AM
Just wondering... But maybe Lavi and bookman disapeared becouse now we will have Lavi's arc. You know: now we have arc about Kanfa and all, and now Hosino-sama planing to uncovaer a bit more about or Bookman junior. Maybe old panda decided it's time for them to leave the order side becouse they are suposed to be neutral.

clamche
November 01, 2010, 06:04 AM
If I remember correctly the other exorcists were fighting Feedra which means to consume and provided Hoshino likes zombies and zombies are mindless bodies driven by the instinct to eat so I guess his Noah power turns people into zombies and that's what is happening with Chaoji.
By the way Madarao was fighting that Noah alone so there's no exorcist around to kill him and maybe he is alive but who'll save him?
Actually not the Order is evil but only Central. Central is responsible for all that experiments, right? Anyway, after all Allen knows now he won't be staying with the Order.

Zibi234
November 01, 2010, 06:31 AM
If I remember correctly the other exorcists were fighting Feedra which means to consume and provided Hoshino likes zombies and zombies are mindless bodies driven by the instinct to eat so I guess his Noah power turns people into zombies and that's what is happening with Chaoji.
By the way Madarao was fighting that Noah alone so there's no exorcist around to kill him and maybe he is alive but who'll save him?
Actually not the Order is evil but only Central. Central is responsible for all that experiments, right? Anyway, after all Allen knows now he won't be staying with the Order.

well Madarou was fighting with Mercyma (mercy [or no mercy xD]) but if Tevak was able to restrain herself from beign absorbed by alma cells.. than Madarou could be the same (as he is tevak older brother after all)

it could be liie there are 5 3rd's... 2 (kiredori and sumo-guy) got absorbed by alma cells and ended up killed......so 2 (tevak and madarou) could restrain themselfs from goiung berserk.... and 1 (tokusa) is still fighting and is uknown to survive or to be killed

anyway I hope allen will tell something to leaveir... becouse he thinks he is innocent of doing all this...that he has nothing to do with it... and he is allowed to play with other peoples lifes.... if he wants to fight akuma and earl so much... why wont he fight with his own fists and power if he feels so mighty...

I would be glad if allen stabbed him with kandas sword... or at least his own like... if there is evil in leaviers heart it will kill him kinda like test...

anyway I wonder if there is a reaction in lenalee after hearing about allen and 14th awakening... and that they might have to kill allen just like what they did to the 3rd's

ca12nag3
November 01, 2010, 08:56 AM
I think the entire idea about the cells changing might depend on how many akuma the 3rd absorbed. Meaning that if she hardly absorbed anything the strain would be less. (i could be wrong tho) but it might explain why shes able to hold on (barely).

Zibi234
November 01, 2010, 09:07 AM
I think the entire idea about the cells changing might depend on how many akuma the 3rd absorbed. Meaning that if she hardly absorbed anything the strain would be less. (i could be wrong tho) but it might explain why shes able to hold on (barely).

nah I doubt about it but we will see ^^ I guess its more like psychological thing and the will of not giveing up....... just like allen doesnt gave in for the 14th memories... he doesnt care... he dennys it and fights it becouse its his body... heh we can remember 14th talking to earl... than allen gets pissed and headbutts earl xD.... for crow people I guess it could be pride... like in the spoiler tokusa slowly was getting his mind back when allen was yelling at him that he is a better soldier than hm... it was getting on his pride aspect..

ahhh some spoiler pic would be nice >__<

the same tevak... maybe the dream was a motivation not to give up becouse she has to save madarou and toukusa... anywya had to say anything without pic... in what state tevak is right now...

NAM61
November 01, 2010, 11:48 AM
chapter sounds good wonder what allen will do the hitler guy called him a traitor. i doubt he will be allowed back as an exorcist they will probably try to kill him. the bookman and lavi are missing i think they are in league with the 3rd side of the war and the 14th. maybe they will be the ones to help allen escape from the black order and noahs.

earthforge
November 01, 2010, 12:22 PM
anyway I hope allen will tell something to leaveir... becouse he thinks he is innocent of doing all this...that he has nothing to do with it... and he is allowed to play with other peoples lifes.... if he wants to fight akuma and earl so much... why wont he fight with his own fists and power if he feels so mighty...

I would be glad if allen stabbed him with kandas sword... or at least his own like... if there is evil in leaviers heart it will kill him kinda like test...

Okay, sanity check and devil's advocate time. (A) Allen's sword is made out of Innocence, the only thing it kills is the Dark Matter inside of an akuma or Noah. This is why Lavi (who was being controlled by his worst impulses) survived it and Allen (who was not even in Noah mode) was injured by it.

(B) The only thing Leverrier is guilty of is trying to defeat the Earl. Think about it - if only exorcists are capable of defeating Noah and akuma, many exorcists are going to die and they are a rarity. If the Order solely relied on exorcists, they would lose and the world would fall into ruin. This is the reality. The Thirds gave another option and, I would like to remind you that unlike the Seconds, went completely voluntarily. The Thirds fighting at the exorcist's sides increased their likelihood to defeat the Earl.

He did NOT anticipate the Earl having the ability to take control of Alma and screw with the Thirds. To be frank, I don't think he even imagined it could go that way since the Dark Matter was directly from Alma, and Alma was under control. But I do think he failed in not putting adequate precautions around Alma.

Also, it's understandable why he used Alma. Alma had pretty much been almost dead for the last 9 years, and could obviously not be completely destroyed. In fact, he was probably considered brain-dead given his lack of response. He was literally the waste of the Order. So Leverrier used him. Personally, I can understand that.

Leverrier is not playing with people's lives. He is trying to win a war that is inherently unwinnable. He isn't an exorcist, so he's doing it the only way he can - by trying to increase the force of the Order. Don't forget it was probably Renee who came up with the idea of Thirds in the first place. Leverrier probably just implemented it. And to be fair to Renee, she also probably desired a war that would end.

It's merely the cycle of desperation. The Order is desperate. So they'll do almost anything to destroy the Earl, and to be fair, they're actions thus far are very reasonable given the circumstance. They do have the right to use something they consider a corpse to increase their forces (who were, I reiterate, VOLUNTEERS).

It's easy to just stand on the sidelines and proclaim idealistic views of how the Order should run, but that ain't the way a war faction can work (if they did, they would be dead by now). Allen is special in that he can proclaim idealistic views and prove it, but remember he's got the power and determination (though goddammit Allen, stop being a frickin martyr!)

Zibi234
November 01, 2010, 12:46 PM
@earthforge: well sorry but leavier doesnt give a crap about exorcists... as he mentioned in past... they are nothing more than sacrafices of God... they forced Hevraska to try and do that cruel experiment of forcefully putting innocence in people (even if she did not want that...she was doing only orders)... and there small leavier called her murderer for killing her own kind even it was not her fault...

now Leavier saw that earl can screw up everything that is related to dark matter... alma...3rd's and turn them against them..... yet he doesnt feel guilty at all... this is the main problem... he even mentioned that he will continue this experiment even if he knows that its no use against earl...noah's... that is thinking of a madman....

exorcists are the ones that are on the battlefield in front lines becouse they had the fate of beign innocence hosts... not like they wished for that.... yet leavier doesnt use his brain... becouse pushing them into the danger wont bring victory but only loseing new hosts that are soo precious... if they have such limited resources he should care more about keeping them alive...

It would be more ok if Leavier would see bad stuff in what he did... yet he is not guilty that becouse of their experiments whole base went into s...t >_< with lots of people.... allen almost got turned into noah... and now he yells allen of traitors becouse he doesnt want to go and destroy alma (even trought alma is dieing anyway)

I guess now the order will split... those who will follow allen... and those who will follow central and leavier...

deleted
November 01, 2010, 01:29 PM
I agree with Zibi and earthforge on the subject:

1) Yes, the Order is fighting a desperate war, in which I honestly see no good ending for them. Let's remind that in the 157th Night Mari expressed his thought about the attack on HQ as a proof that the Earl and the Noahs could easily wipe them out if they wanted to. Why they didn't do it yet remains a secret for now.

2) No, I don't believe that Kanda and Alma did these things volunteerly. Think back of Mari too. He was about to die and Leverrier ordered him to be used as specimen for the experiment. Hadn't it been for Kanda then there would have been another 2nd Exorcist...probably...

3) Although earthforg has given good statements as to why Leverrier did and still does all these things it just isn't justifiable. He doesn't care about the Exorcists like Zibi said and would probably give his soul to devil himself in order to win this war. He is not a good person. If that has to do with his upbringing or something else...I don't know.

4) Yes, Allen has a bad martyr complex but that came because of his time on the streets and the following time spent with Mana. He wasn't helped when he was younger so he became bitter and seeing that people must have handled him like some kind of monster, we don't even have to talk about self-estime. Man was the first one to help him and showed him what kindness is.
Allen knows what it's like to cry out for help but not being answered. It's a really desperate and sad feeling and I'm sure he doesn't want anyone around him to suffer like he did.

.... I think I'm being a little too tired again ^^;
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Chaoiji is in pain YAAAY~!! \^0^/



And were we meant to hate Chaoiji this much, Hoshino? Just wondering. XD I don't necessarily HATE hate him, but I have very little fondness. Ever since he held a grudge against Allen for being concerned over Tykki, I've felt icky towards him.



About that whole Chaoji thing.... I must say that yes, I don't like him that much but I can also see that he isn't an entirely bad person. At the beginning he was nice to Allen too. He just started his personal vendetta against him when Allen tried to safe Tiky. At first I also just wanted to smack him in the face but after a while I calmed down again.

I mean- he saw how the people he considered family were turned to dust in front of his eyes. And he was searching for someone responsible and so why not take the ennemy.

But I agree: He is stupid to be mad at Allen for this long and not thinking about the fact that Allen knew the crew too even though he hadn't travelled on the ship with them. Chaoji is good hearted but very rash in his decisions and believes. I think that's the issue.

earthforge
November 01, 2010, 03:26 PM
Serene: Just to correct ya, I never said the Seconds were volunteers. Again, Leverrier and Central considered them (the original bodies) as good as dead and so they were used in their project. The Thirds were volunteers though - that was the correction Leverrier and the Order did to avoid the disaster of the Second Exorcist Project, which failed because they forced people wielding insane powers into it, thus leading to such people destroying the Project and everyone around it.

I never said Leverrier was a good person, but what he has done is coldly justifiable. He does care about exorcists as in a fighting force. That's why he demanded Lenalee be put back on the firing line via Hevlaska doing the old experiment - when even one exorcist dies or goes out of commission, it will even more destroy their slim chances of destroying the Earl (and in turn, that means the Earth goes boom). He does not care who the exorcists are ("sacrifices to God" is the best way he can justify it to himself, for his sanity's sake), he only cares about how many and how strong they are. And even if that ain't human of him, it's understandable. He's not dumb, he knows what he's doing.

You know what I'd find cool? Leverrier is definitely not the worst Central has to offer, as we saw implied with Cross's assassination - it was Central, but another faction. What if there was another faction that was worse than Leverrier, and Leverrier and the Order have to make an uneasy alliance to defeat this Third side of the war that is worse than the Noah.

Zibi: I can't agree with you. When did he say he'd continue the experiment? With Alma gone, he can't do that.

And by the way, "following orders" is too often a justification for horrible things done in wars. If you want to kick Leverrier in the nuts over morality, by all means you can, but remember that the exorcists and scientists and even Hevlaska are equally guilty of "following" those dirty orders.

Allen should've destroyed Alma because then the Dark Matter would've been eliminated by the Innocence, thus nullifying it in the Thirds.

Try to understand Leverrier as who he is: a desperate controlling man who wants to save the world, but has no God-given powers. He is pitiable, but hardly stupid. What he has done makes perfect sense. Morality doesn't matter in a war, it never does. Allen's wacky in that he does care. But Lenalee couldn't give a crap for the world outside her circle of friends. Lavi is tortured by it, but does nothing about it. Kanda was the ideal soldier in that he never cared what was right or wrong, only winning the war because he had to (nothing else for him to do while he was tortured by the imagery of "that woman" in his mind).

Dropbear
November 01, 2010, 04:13 PM
I for one am super excited to see Allen raise a stink over this, and excited for Leverrier to stick to his guns and attack him for it. The Order knew the 2nds weren't truly dead, due to their returning memories. In a matter where the "soul" is clearly a vital factor, the Order's response to the revived exorcists still maintaining their own memories was to kill them again before they could realize what they'd done. Pretty nasty stuff. So it isn't as if the Exorcists are totally unreasonable in feeling shocked knowing this went down - even the Order realizes it, hence keeping it a tightly-lipped secret. The Exorcists already submit to giving their lives, so forcibly giving up their immortal afterlife too is pretty harsh.

That's what I like about D.Gray-Man - the Order has clearly crossed their moral event horizon with the 2nd Exorcists, but you still can't say what they did was completely unnecessary or totally insane, considering their utterly desperate position. It's rare that a shounen manga has protagonists that are clearly "losing" - you know, as the audience, that no matter how bad a situation is, the good guys always power up and save the day. So the hardest sell is to get the audience to actually believe the inherent desperation that goes along with truly being overpowered. In D.Gray-man, I think Hoshino actually succeeds.

Even the heroes' "victories" are peppered with awful loss, and they don't actually make strides so much as struggle to maintain status quo. Suman's death really shocked me when I first read it, from a narrative pattern perspective. Allen's total botch on saving Ticky surprised me too. (I laughed out loud at the reveal that Innocence just pisses Noah off!) The Order's actions in their efforts to save the world are SO DARK that you buy the need for it. The exorcists are all imperfect too; none of the exorcists are emotionally healthy whatsoever. If Allen really was a good little martyr, he would have followed the Order's orders here - instead he acts based on personal agenda. I always read Allen as a deconstruction of the usual caring, sacrificial hero, rather than one played straight - how unhealthy a life do you have to live to actually have those values, and follow through with them? And he's called on it too, repeatedly.

I sympathize with the exorcists, personally. The whole "entrapping your mom's soul because you loved her too hard and then making her wear your skin, HAVE FUN WIT DAT" thing is what makes the Earl's actions unforgiveable - a mobius loop of rending Exorcist souls, if possible, is pretty up the alley. Exorcists are boned no matter how you slice it, and most are just kids - being human in an inhuman situation will always get me.

Anyway, that was a whole lot of rambling because the important thing here is I AM SO EXCITED to see what Link will do. SO EXCITED. I have been waiting for this. *_*

Dlanor_A.Knox
November 01, 2010, 04:34 PM
After reading all this, it made me think..

1: Why did they used Dark Matter? Dark Matter is inside the Akuma's, Akuma's are being controlled by the Earl/Noahs through Dark Matter.

It's ok to think "use the enemies weapon against them" and then place the Dark Matter in something lifeless that can be controled by humans rather than make the dark matter a part of the humans, right?

And why won't they try to make some Human-made Innocence?

2: DGM is becoming more a more like the real world, no wait it is like the real world. There is no true evil or good and we forget that (for example) Levrier is human, heck, we even forgetting that the noahs are humans and that they actually do things some humans would also do, things that make us human.

......


3: All this made my Hishino-sensei even more awesome in my eyes xD!!

sparviero-92
November 01, 2010, 04:38 PM
they used dark matter to give 'superpowers' to people non compatible with innocence, to turn them into usable pawns...right?

Zibi234
November 01, 2010, 04:42 PM
Zibi: I can't agree with you. When did he say he'd continue the experiment? With Alma gone, he can't do that.

And by the way, "following orders" is too often a justification for horrible things done in wars. If you want to kick Leverrier in the nuts over morality, by all means you can, but remember that the exorcists and scientists and even Hevlaska are equally guilty of "following" those dirty orders.

Allen should've destroyed Alma because then the Dark Matter would've been eliminated by the Innocence, thus nullifying it in the Thirds.

Try to understand Leverrier as who he is: a desperate controlling man who wants to save the world, but has no God-given powers. He is pitiable, but hardly stupid. What he has done makes perfect sense. Morality doesn't matter in a war, it never does. Allen's wacky in that he does care. But Lenalee couldn't give a crap for the world outside her circle of friends. Lavi is tortured by it, but does nothing about it. Kanda was the ideal soldier in that he never cared what was right or wrong, only winning the war because he had to (nothing else for him to do while he was tortured by the imagery of "that woman" in his mind).

ehem... I will better put this under spoiler tag XD

as for the experiment thingy.... look on the spoiler line where Leavier yells at allen "You intend to end the Third Exorcists project don't you!!" doesnt that sound like "if allen kills the 3rd's the project will end... they wont be able to copy the cells and do more 3rd's" (we have to see this from different angle ^^)

about the dark matter thing... well but look again from different point... who was the one that "put" the dark matter inside alma in the first place ?? and next passed it to 3rd's... and there is no evidence if destroying alma (orginal) would stop the 3rd's rempage.... and why is that...

becouse those cells are copies... just like a virus 3rd's got it with the cells... yet the huge hatered was stored in those cells.... we can see that even trought Alma calmed down and is quietly with Kanda the 3rd's did not stop its rempage.... so even Leavier mentioned that even if Alma was eliminated it did not stopped 3rd's...

other example of this we can see in the funny past chapter about zombies... Krory was the source.. yet cureing the source has not cured the infected ones :P so again even if allen stabbed alma it would not stopped 3rd's as the hatered was storaged in those cells (even earl mentioned this few times) ^^

well Allen is not a case of listening to pure orders that are against his own morals... that woman/soul and alma... did not wanted allen to save him/her so allen listened to that request and no one has the rights to break that "last will".... anyway we cant forget that they are not "soldiers" !!! they are normal civilians woman and even kids (tomothy) that ended up beign hosts and were forced against their free will to take a part in this war (like lenalee)... crow's are trained soldiers like lavi said... so they are different cases.... and it was their choice of becomeing the experiment samples.... yet Leavier has no right to put the blame on allen... he was not the one that put dark matter in those bodies.

and yes... Leavier is kinda afraid to lose the control part... to lose power and influance as his family passed down in generations... he has no god powers yet he gives a shit about lifes of the fighters... and he has only few so he puts too much pressure on them... he is toooooo desperate to win the war.... they want to end it in 1day... but that's impossible... war allways takes long years

if Leavier wants to win that war soooo fast why wont he sacrafice his own life for that case by takeing a part in this 3rd exorcist project !!!!!!? he would become a fighter and be on battlefield like general... yet he is strong in mouth and yells from places where his ass is safe... he wants power than why accept the dark matter... there are mostly people who are above Leavier (like they did not inform him about the Cross assasination plan)...so they could replace him..

well anyone has their own opinion.. the thing is simply that Leavier does not see anything evil in his doing... that he is a saint and everyone else is dirty... that everyone that goes against his vision and wishes is evil and a heretic... allen disobeyed the order becouse of his promise not to interfere as it was kandas case. It kinda makes me allways angry when LOTS of people die... and the one responsible says... its not my fault...



ahhhh I wonder when the chapter will appear.... well even Claymore is out already >__>

Dlanor_A.Knox
November 01, 2010, 04:43 PM
yeah xD
But logical thinking, inserting dark matter in someone makes him/her half akuma half human right? that means half would be controlled by the Earl wont it?

It is like Allen and Neah, you never know when the "dark side"takes over.

Asclepius
November 01, 2010, 05:43 PM
Chapter's out, :woot
Have fun :)
http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/29967377/1

Mylezine
November 01, 2010, 06:03 PM
*just finished reading the last chapter*

WHY !!!!!!
You fool, stupid idiot baka LINK !!!! What is he doing !!!!!
*is really upset now*

Ah... but now I really want to see the next chapter, like always...

riki
November 01, 2010, 06:07 PM
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candy
November 01, 2010, 06:14 PM
okay so now the spoilers make a little more sense!!!

Asclepius
November 01, 2010, 06:31 PM
A mistake from Link to piss us :P. But on the other hand, so far, Link was the only one able to control one of the Thirds with those bindings, without killing (it seems). I hope he can control Tokusa too.

About Lavi and Bookman:
1-fled to preserve their lives, or
2-fled to reach the North American Branch and record the facts

Kanda and Alma had a sad ending. Touching. I liked.

Zibi234
November 01, 2010, 06:34 PM
heh so Lulubell (dragon with a mask) was the one telling Lenalee about Allen turning noah very soon and that she has to choice... follow the 14th or kill Allen just like she did with the 3rd

I guess those tears are not for Sumo-guy but simply lulubel's world really got to lenalee... she feels that it might be true that allen she knows might disappear and order might give the command to kill him.... and well she once lost allen and that made her broken.... yet now she might lose allen again and it might be from her own hands (legs)...

even miranda strongly reacted to those news.... well no wonder... allen was a cheerfull kid that had a strong peace aura around him.... and from all people this very kind kid had to have such a cruel fate.... they all tresure allen so news that 14th awakened or that allen soon will turn into noah and they will have to kill him... is heavy like shit fro those who cared for him...


anyway Link mostly screwed up here... misunderstood the situation that allen wants to kill takusa and not save him (what he was doing... as even takusa mentioned to allen to keep up suppresing alma rage)........owww if takusa dies I can see Allen punching the shit out of link this time... tevak is all wrapped in those talismans....

but I kinda feel that in next chapter allens innocence...or noah side might rip off those talismans that they are not enought to suppress his movenents.... or tim or even takusa himself will try to rip those talismans off allen

but man Link is right now stupid as shit >__< I mean there are lots of noah's and earl around... and allen is the only exorcist there... yet he wraps him in talismans and stops his moves..... no logic... or link is blind that he did not saw earl and few noahs above... (maybe he thinks that allen blow up the whole base...)... right now earl might just jump in and pick up "packed Allen" like he was in supermarket...saying thx for packing our stuff bye...(like tyki said.. we came to "pick you up" xD)

but ahah it was kinda fun... that Renee was more aware of the 3rd's lifes than Leavier who thinks that killing alma would stop 3rds ^^

anyway for me the best part was lenalee and her sorrow about the sad news regarding allens situation... (maybe becouse it was long ago since I last saw her face XD)

NAM61
November 01, 2010, 06:44 PM
good chapter won't kanda become a fallen one without his innocence? also poor lenalee she was crushed when she found out about allen. i think lavi and the bookman will take the talismans off ot the 14th will take over and do it. but also with allen captured the noahs may take him if he is helpless. but it was good to see lenalee again.

sparviero-92
November 01, 2010, 07:03 PM
leverrier seems more shocked and angered by the fact allen let kanda and alma escape than by seeing neah taking over him..





two panels occupied by a spider?

Jaymie
November 01, 2010, 08:27 PM
The art in this chapter was amazing. Page 25? Wow.

daman246
November 01, 2010, 08:40 PM
link is an idiot hope allen breaks of the seal using hte noahs power next episode

Naomidee
November 01, 2010, 08:47 PM
Whoa. Either Link is very brave, or he doesn't understand the situation at all.
Somehow, I wouldn't cut off the only Exorcist in the vecinity with the Earl and his Noah standing RIGHT THERE.
>___>;;;

Jaymie
November 01, 2010, 08:52 PM
I can't believe Link took out those Level Fours. Back in Volume 15, a single Level Four wiped out the entire Black Order.

fuff
November 01, 2010, 08:54 PM
maybe this is just me but i was thinking when we see the women and alma walk off...could it be symbolizism that that women was pregnant or something...because during that moment it looks like a mother and son relationship...and im assuming the women is older than yuu anyways..

also for the lavi thing they are prob recording allen waking up as the 14th and i think thats gonna happen next chapter...since welll...it would be intresting...i guess allen didnt chose to leave the order but was kicked out if he doesnt obey orders...which we really didnt predict ^_^

MSofAofCOCA
November 01, 2010, 08:56 PM
leverrier seems more shocked and angered by the fact allen let kanda and alma escape than by seeing neah taking over him..





two panels occupied by a spider?

THAT SPIDER IS GOING TO BE THE DEATH OF US, I SAY!
I really, really, really, really, hope that that spider isn't going to kill yu.
that would be weird.
Alma asked Yu not to use his innocence...did he not notice that Yu no longer has it?
Too bad he never had the opportunity to finish the sentence "The earl and 14th......." =(
That must've been one hell of a fight...
Well, i'm glad to see that Debbitto is still his old self, i was worried that they became mute or something since they didn't speak when wisely was introduced as a possible after affect of being poisoned by Crowley's innocence. but no, they're BACK! =D
i kinda hope we get more Noah interaction....i know Allen is important and all....but if the Noah die in the end, it won't be nearly as touching if we don't get to know them =/

HD-ray
November 01, 2010, 09:30 PM
I wounder if the Earl and the other Noahs are going to take Allen. I bet Road would be very happy to have allen in their family. And poor Link, he doesn't no that Allen was saving him.

lutino
November 01, 2010, 09:40 PM
maybe this is just me but i was thinking when we see the women and alma walk off...could it be symbolizism that that women was pregnant or something...because during that moment it looks like a mother and son relationship...and im assuming the women is older than yuu anyways..


The lady's the one who's been appearing and disturbing Kanda.
I dont think the lady and alma share the same conciousnes (they dont think the same way or anything), the only thing they share is their spirit/soul. (?) So when alma died, she probably went there to pick him up and all since they are the same spiritually and should like spend the rest of whatever lives they have after that together. o_o;

Am i the only one who thinks like this?
I must be a very weird person s:

Naomidee
November 01, 2010, 10:50 PM
They share the same mind, that's for sure. As for their souls, I'm completely uncertain. The Black Order experimentation mixed with The Earl's Akuma creation could have resulted in something very complicated. x.x

The fact that Alma and the woman shared the same brain makes it really strange that they share different consciousnesses. Alma definitely developed his own personality, so did he have his own soul?

Difficult to say.
[hr]

I can't believe Link took out those Level Fours. Back in Volume 15, a single Level Four wiped out the entire Black Order.

Timcanpy did a majority of the Level-Four destroying, I think. And yes, the Level Four did cause a lot of damage, but as the Akuma evolve, the Exorcists stay in close pursuit.

relory
November 01, 2010, 11:44 PM
I've gotta say that the Alma/Kanda-pages produced some of the most beautiful panels I've seen in DGM so far :love the art was superb this month ^^

That spider is suspicious-looking...

It's so nice to see the others! DAVID! I'm so glad he hasn't changed that much! WTF that face on the dragon is gonna give me nightmares :s poor Linalee, she gonna have a hard time D': Chaoji is scary o_O wonder if it really is the Noah's power.. maybe he's turning into Wrath? Or maybe Lavi and Bookman had to drug him in order to escape his curious nose :cookiehand

Arrg, Link HAD to arrive at the wrong time.. but I kinda understand his actions -.-

And FINALLY we get a clear view on that Holy Grail-shaped button-thing on Rouvellier's shirt :) (on page 28)

Conclution: Great chapter! :D

earthforge
November 02, 2010, 12:33 AM
Dude, I think that spider was representing the decay of Kanda and Alma. Alma's definitely dead. I think Kanda is too, after he smiled as his lover and Alma went on to heaven, and he probably joined them - after all, he did promise to rejoin his lover. That part was touching.

Five thousand points for Allen telling Tokusa to shut it and pull himself together. I liked that. It's what would reach a man like Tokusa. Also, the art on page 27 is gorgeous. I wonder if Hoshino's slowly pulling it together again...

LENALEEEEE! <3 And David never looked so cool. Oh, Socalo and Krory had epic pages!

I agree with relory (teehee, that rhymed! :cookie). Maybe Choaji will become the Noah of wrath? Kinda farfetched, but after chapter 199, I think I can take it.

I hope Link knows what he's doing.

Meh, I somewhat think that if Alma was killed with the Innocence, his hatred would've been eliminated. Even as he was dying, he refused to be destroyed via Innocence cause he refused to let his grudge go. Thus the Thirds were still screwed. Le sigh. Oh well, at least Allen and Link can try to save two of them: Tevaku and Tokusa.

Okay chapter. I don't like the polarization of Renee and Leverrier as totally evil, though. Because I want to see more shades of gray - characters that have unfortunate and okay sides, but are multifaceted. Meh, I dream.

Ohnigiri.
November 02, 2010, 12:50 AM
I had the same thought Relory had back then when the Earl asked Wisely who was going to be the next host for wrath's. I hope he is not. Really. Then that would be a real irony, he... becoming one of the 'enemies' responsible for the death of his 'family'. D:

I'm looking forward to see what's up with bookman and Lavi.

chilibun
November 02, 2010, 01:04 AM
They share the same mind, that's for sure. As for their souls, I'm completely uncertain. The Black Order experimentation mixed with The Earl's Akuma creation could have resulted in something very complicated. x.x

The fact that Alma and the woman shared the same brain makes it really strange that they share different consciousnesses. Alma definitely developed his own personality, so did he have his own soul?


Alma and that woman aren't different consciousnesses. Second exorcists memories are purposely erased during the brain transplant to prevent them from going crazy. Alma merely recovered her memories, which caused her to go berserk and killed everybody in the lab. So its the same brain and same soul (I guess the mind and soul are tied in to each other). At least thats how I interpret it.

TsubasaCrazy
November 02, 2010, 01:09 AM
chapter sounds good wonder what allen will do the hitler guy called him a traitor. i doubt he will be allowed back as an exorcist they will probably try to kill him. the bookman and lavi are missing i think they are in league with the 3rd side of the war and the 14th. maybe they will be the ones to help allen escape from the black order and noahs.

Wow! This Chapter was great! Lol I call Leverrier Hitler too! LOL!
Anyways that Hitler wannabee has some nerve to talk that shit to Allen! Hello are you blind?! For crying out loud Allen is the only remaining exorcist\ protection you have right now! Against Millennium Earl and the Noah from Killing your sad, weak retard loud mouth ass who doesn't have a clue what he is doing!( dont mine me I'm raging for D.Gray-man right here! LOL) It would have been amazing if Allen just snipped at Leverrier and tell forget the order and deal with the Earl by your self!" Now for some reason we have "to late" Link showing up ruining everything! Its a shame we got to wait forever for the next chapter.

andrewsungchehau
November 02, 2010, 01:19 AM
Oh my, Alma really died.T_T It is really touching for Kanda and Alma scene.T_T
What Will Happen To Kanda? Please don't tell me his death.T_T
General Sokaro shows no mercy.
Nice to see Krory, Miranda and Lenalee, but its sad to see them all so sad.T_T
Just when Allen was able communicate with Tokusa, Link had to interrupt.:S Hope his intention is good one.

Overall, such a touching.T_T Kanda!!! T_T

Leverier or watever his name is, YOU WILL BE MY NUMBER 1 MOST HATE CHARACTER IN D.Gray Man.

Hurray to ALLEN focus on Tokusa only instead of listening to Leverier crap.:D

ghostexiled
November 02, 2010, 01:27 AM
Nice emotional chapter...

Woot for Link being a super badass for taking out those level 4's and subduing the Hybrid partner he was with.

Face Palm for Link subduing Allen at the end. :oh

p1xel
November 02, 2010, 02:06 AM
Good chapter,weird ending.
Next chapter,page 2:BOOM!:P
Leverier sucks.I thought allen was going to tell him to STFU,but he didn`t have time for it:D
Link could get killed by Tokusa:D
Alma is dead as many thought(me too:P),and awesome spider...maybe its spiderman?:DD

Dlanor_A.Knox
November 02, 2010, 02:17 AM
Oh my Noah 0o0
This chapter is awesome!!! The KandaxAlma pages where so toutching (I cried) and that spider is creepy, I thought it was lulubell at first xD Who was the other Noah with Jasdebi again 0o0? Tryde?

LOOOL the Earl is still wrapped up hahaha xD and finally we see Tyki~!!!
Levrier is and idiot, Allen is awesome xD Go Allen go Alle... stupid Link >.< I know that Kanda is bad at reading the sittuation, but you 0o0

elitefox
November 02, 2010, 04:42 AM
Is alma a girl or only in spirit?


Humans just do stupidest things I guess, go levier and link :amuse
Like neah can be sealed by that

ghostexiled
November 02, 2010, 06:34 AM
^just in spirit I do believe.

The thing that bugs me is, Alma does not want to be "purified" by the innocence... if that does not happen, the woman's soul will be destroyed and not saved.

Kinda sad! :(

mikyu
November 02, 2010, 07:30 AM
this chapter ... was just sad :(
And after several chapters ... we still wonder what allen will do now!!! >.< everyt month I hope to get an answer T_T

and now link >.< .... if I were to kidnap allen ... I'd do it now XDDD

riki
November 02, 2010, 09:59 AM
This was a touching and bittersweet chapter.

The scene of Kanda between Alma was very touching way to end this arc. I wonder what Alma wanted to tell Kanda about Allen and the earl before she was in pain. I think the reason she refused to let Kanda use Innocence on her because she believed that she should be punished for using the earl's power against the Order.

Seeing the other exorcists' shocked and horrified expressions when they found out that the 14th has awakened was perfect. Now they have to face a tough decision as Lulu Bell put it - follow Allen or kill him per order of Central? This is going to be a tough dilemma for Allen's comrades. I think those who are close to Allen will refuse to kill him while the rest might still follow orders. This would definitely split the Order apart; maybe there will be two factions then.

Allen's personality really shined in this chapter. His determination to save Tokusa no matter what was so typical of him. Of course, Malcolm is screaming his head off and threatening to kick Allen out of the Order for disobeying. He does have a point that the earl could be lying to them, but then it would be hard for Allen to trust Malcolm due to the discovery of The Second Exorcists project and the truth of The Third Exorcists.

Link really had bad timing. Hopefully we'll find out his reason for sealing Allen's power in the next chapter. If Allen does let go of his Innocence, wouldn't the earl be freed from his captivity?

Here are my predictions:

1) A standoff between Allen and Link. Both will try to persuade each other to his reasoning.
2) Tyki might attack Link or Allen since he's the only Noah who is free. He could also snatched Allen since he is in a nice package of talismans.
3) Tokusa's Alma cells might be reactivated since Allen's Innocence is weakened.
4) The 14th might awaken again since Allen is in a tough situation.
5) Maybe Lavi and Bookman will show up so they can record the event.

I don't think we'll see the others since we knew their reactions already.

Dlanor_A.Knox
November 02, 2010, 11:38 AM
About the spider (it bugs me....litterly xD), maybe Cross has some unknown "friends" of the 3rd side who uses spiders?
Seriously, if the spider is from the noahs, how did it get there? ark lifting xD?
And Cross might be smart enough...

ANGELiki
November 02, 2010, 11:47 AM
Er, what's with the spider? Don't tell me it's just passing by.
By the way, is Kanda dead or not? He's not healing, at least for now, but... When I read the spoilers, I was sure the final splash would be him falling into the water, but I can't say it looks like it... But then, what's with the splash? Alma+That person has already fallen into the water, they splashed earlier.

...Hmm. Maybe the splash has something to do with the spider. Like, it bringed the two of them out again? I'm just hallucinating, this isn't happening.
Maybe the spider is a Noah or an akuma or innocence or general Cross!!
...I suppose I need some sleep. Great chapter though, RIP Alma, STUPID Link, INSANE Leverier, angry Renee, is Fou all right...?

Ig4kLone
November 02, 2010, 11:59 AM
Guess a random spider at a random place. LoL.

Kanda and Alma took up the quite beginning of the chapter. Kanda's body is breaking up.. Hope it'll heal soon, technically.
okay, so I think that dragon noah cute. xD. I thought the noah would sit on the dragon instead of noah's head popping up from the dragon's tummy or whatever organ it is.

Lev dude didn't change at all too. After becoming hostage and all. His head is pretty hard. XD.

Naomidee
November 02, 2010, 01:19 PM
Seeing the other exorcists' shocked and horrified expressions when they found out that the 14th has awakened was perfect. Now they have to face a tough decision as Lulu Bell put it - follow Allen or kill him per order of Central? This is going to be a tough dilemma for Allen's comrades. I think those who are close to Allen will refuse to kill him while the rest might still follow orders. This would definitely split the Order apart; maybe there will be two factions then.



Judging by the way General Sokoro sliced the Third in half without a moment's hesitation, I think it's safe to say that there will definitely be some Exorcists that turn again Allen. Not everyone's as soft as Krory.

I think that the way the Third Exorcists were consumed/killed/critically injured is foreshadowing of what will happen with Allen and the 14th.


I don't think that the spider is just symbolic. Hoshino typically doesn't usually use symbolism in that way from what I've seen.

The spider would have to have something to do with the Fourteenth. I have a feeling Cross planted the spider in the Fourteenth's Ark. Even if General Cross is dead, he wouldn't disappear without leaving something important behind. He was too prepared and knowing to just die without dropping a trail of bread crumbs behind.

meepers4982
November 02, 2010, 02:31 PM
I think that after hearing the news about the 14th lavi and bookman just left so they can join the third side, afterall they only remained in the order so long because of allen and now allen is (more likely than not) going to leave the order. Just one more month is all we have to wait...i wish it were weekly again.

Andzu
November 02, 2010, 04:49 PM
Nah, boys and girls, methinks Link isn`t being a Leverrierfan, but is actually trying to save Allen, or at least help him - remember some chapters ago Tevak said she had a dream about Allen killing Madarao and Tokusa and then Tevak herself killing Allen? Link`s interference has something to do with that - err, just not sure how.

Now onto Kanda and Alma. That was, that was, um. I was wondering how Hoshino was going to pull it off - and she did it great. The parting was so touching, and the picture of the Girl and Alma walking off together somehow seemed so calm. (Completely offtopic: I remember how a few years ago someone on this forum guessed that Kanda`s "that person" was a love interest, and everyone else was all "yeah right, only you know - it`s Kanda", and who was that? Because I`ve wanted to tell them for quite some time "omg you were right!")

Since Kanda has one way or another found the person he was looking for and has his business finished, and Lavi is so suddenly missing, might the two of them (plus possibly Lenalee and co) come to help Allen out, after Allen had tried to save everyone, and support him, like they did earlier,uh, about maybe 50 chapters ago... That would`ve been so awesome!

ca12nag3
November 02, 2010, 05:12 PM
Well this chapter sure is nice on teh art, as much as the story goes it doesnt provide much. Just the parting/farewell of Alma capped in to many pages :D.

What we dont know?

-whats going to happen to the 3 remaining 3rd?
-Is Allen leaving the order and/or being excomunicated?
-Kandas fate is not yet fully shown. (some claim he is dead now but i didnt see him wave his bye bye yet)
-Link shows up, so whats he going to do wave his tarrot cards at the earl?
-Lavi and Bookman just went mia?
-Chaoji is in a pshychosis what caused that?
-Lenalee in tears, only for Allen fate or that she slain a ally, or both?
-Still no sign of the 13th noah either? < this bugs nobody? since all the other players apart from Cross are in the action.

A can full of questions only 1 answer.

MSofAofCOCA
November 02, 2010, 05:19 PM
personally, i think the spider is a completely different character, because i really can't see there being a tie between a spider and, say, Cross. i also think that the second splash was the spider diving in (does that mean there's a chance alma will come back??)
I noticed we didn't see klaud, tiedoll or timothy... i wonder what happened to them.
wait a second...........they found chaoji.....shiet. could it be bookman used his needles on chaoji to knock him out? the finders immediately thought it was the noah, but we know bookman has acupuncture skills, so could he have been the culprit?
uhm, i'm pretty sure the dragon was lulubell, but i'm wondering who the hell it is in her forhead though, cuz it doesn't look like her....
the noah with jasdevi was....? (btw, his foot is up in a funny manner teehee)

at the moment, i can only see allen somehow escaping or being kidnapped: now that the 14th is so close to earl's reach, i doubt the earl would retreat... he doesn't do that unless he finds something more important....
there was something else i noticed....but i can't remember atm =/

ying_su
November 02, 2010, 05:27 PM
This chapter was great also!
As a preparation for the coming events!!
:)

Thanks for the spoilers and help :)

How did Link managed to go to the America's?
What happened to Chaoji?
Where did Lavi and Bookman go?
What is going to do now Kanda?
...

MSofAofCOCA
November 02, 2010, 07:21 PM
This chapter was great also!
As a preparation for the coming events!!
:)

Thanks for the spoilers and help :)

How did Link managed to go to the America's?
What happened to Chaoji?
Where did Lavi and Bookman go?
What is going to do now Kanda?
...

i think it was mention some time before that when the battle at NA branch started, there was no direct gate (because of the barrier) but there was a back up one some ways off. i think that's how he got there....

i don't have theories on what happened to choaji, but his pupils look slitted..... so.....idk....maybe he is sick? but where'd the noah go?

Personally i think Lavi and Bookman hightailed it out b/c of something. Remember bookman said that they will leave if/when there are signs of Lavi's innocence upgrading? maybe that happened. that or what ever noah they were fighting let 14th's reincarnation slip out and that made bookman leave, cuz there's no way Lavi can now be neutral. heart or no heart but they both have some ties to allen...lavi especially (that or the noah got them to switch sides...)

the spider will eat Kanda

Jaymie
November 02, 2010, 08:39 PM
Link and Tevak were going to take the Ark to North America in chapter 189. I assume that they took a nearby gate, and that's how they saw the explosion in Chapter 194. When Timcanpy destroyed the barrier, Link could then enter the NA Branch with ease.

ying_su
November 03, 2010, 02:06 AM
@MSofAofCOCA
Oh yes!
How could i forgot it! :)
Thanks xD


The spider?????? xD I too wonder what's the meaning of this... maybe part of the magic of the third side?

Bleda
November 03, 2010, 02:27 AM
I really feel like giving Link a slap. I was hoping after all that ranting Leverier made, I expected allen to turn to leverier and say something along "f*** you". Aside from that perfect chapters.

I think there is no doubt now that allen (and probably Kanda) will fly solo from now on.

ANGELiki
November 03, 2010, 10:57 AM
OMG LOL Hoshino doesn't know that spiders have eight legs, not six... LOL whatever, this reminds me of Harry Potter, where you can speak to snakes. Snakes practicaly have no ears, but whatever!:eyeroll:D

All right:
i. Lavi and bookman may have been kidnapped by Noah
ii. They might have left on their own to
a. join the third side
b. stop being excorcists and record another war
c. because Lavi's innocence became crystal type
iii. someone from central found the chance to attack them for hearing the thingy about the third side.

Chaoji might have been attacked by Noah, Bookman, Lavi, the hypothetical guy from central, or betrayed Bookman and Lavi and becoming a fallen one.

Naomidee
November 03, 2010, 12:09 PM
i. Lavi and bookman may have been kidnapped by Noah
ii. They might have left on their own to
a. join the third side
b. stop being excorcists and record another war
c. because Lavi's innocence became crystal type
iii. someone from central found the chance to attack them for hearing the thingy about the third side.

Chaoji might have been attacked by Noah, Bookman, Lavi, the hypothetical guy from central, or betrayed Bookman and Lavi and becoming a fallen one.

i. This is possible.
Lulubell is in Greece with Lenalee
The twins and Tryde are in Russia with Krory
The Earl, Wisely, Sheryl, Tyki are with Allen in America
Road was in America, but I haven't seen her recently
Mercyma was with Tyki and Sheryl when first attacking Allen, but haven't seen him in a while either.
The Fiddler was last seen in China with Lavi and Bookman and Chaoiji, but seems to be gone as well.
Mightra never really showed up in the first place. o~o

So that leaves Road, Mercyma, The Fiddler, and Mightra unaccounted for.
It's very possible these Noah could have taken Bookman and Lavi, possibly for information.
Lavi, Bookman, Cloude, Timothy, Cross, and Teidall are also unaccounted for also.

ii. Very possible Lavi and Bookman left on their own, but then where did the Fiddler go?
a) They seem like the type to join the "Third Side". They were never loyal to the Order in the first place.
b) There is no way in hell they would record a different war. XD
c) I think Hoshino would have informed us that Lavi became a crystal type as soon as that happened. Let's throw that possibility out.
iii. I think Central has their hands too full for that, but it IS the type of thing they would do if they weren't so busy. Let's throw that out too though.


IF Bookman and Lavi were taken by the Fiddler (or any of those other unaccounted for Noah), it would make sense that Chaoiji has been attacked. He wasn't needed, so why bring him along?

Jaymie
November 03, 2010, 12:15 PM
Bookman and Lavi were probably capture by Fiddler. At least, I hope so. We need a Lavi arc soon!

Naomidee
November 03, 2010, 12:34 PM
I agree. The fact that it's explicitly mentioned that Lavi and Bookman are no where to be seen, Fiddler is no where in sight either, and Chaoiji who was with them before is now attacked by someone unseen makes it almost certain that Fiddler took Lavi and Bookman.

sparviero-92
November 03, 2010, 12:47 PM
Now I'm completely lost...

Who is the fiddler?:confused:

Did Mightra awake?

Ohnigiri.
November 03, 2010, 01:25 PM
Fiddler is the one with long hair in front of Sheryl:

http://www.cloudmanga.com/D.Gray-Man/187/#8-9

As for Mightra, I think you're confusing him with Wrath. =)

Jaymie
November 03, 2010, 01:29 PM
Fiddler's the Noah with the triangle earrings and the mullet.

Mightra's the Noah with the full-body costume.

Wrathra (previously Skin Boric) is the only Noah that has yet to awaken.

ANGELiki
November 03, 2010, 02:39 PM
Actually, I was thinking that maybe Central had sent a member of CROW with them, pretending to be, say, a finder, with the orders to execute them at the slightest chance.
OMG I had a dream! While the excorcists were looking for Lavi and Panda they found the hurt Chaoji. At the moment where they were wondering what was wrong with him, Lavi jumped in front of them. He no longer had the eye-patch on, and there was that strange pattern under his eyes, like when his heart had been stabbed by Road's illusions. In my dream, the pattern was a curse, it took over Lavi, and Lavi attacked Chaoji...
I know this isn't happening, but maybe their disappearence has something to do with Lavi's eye.

Naomidee
November 03, 2010, 03:11 PM
I have a feeling we're about to go into a Lavi Arc sometime in the near future.
We just got done with an enormous Kanda arc, so it's only fitting. Now that we know what the lotus flower means, what does Lavi's eye patch mean?

MSofAofCOCA
November 03, 2010, 06:50 PM
OMG LOL Hoshino doesn't know that spiders have eight legs, not six... LOL whatever, this reminds me of Harry Potter, where you can speak to snakes. Snakes practicaly have no ears, but whatever!:eyeroll:D



hooooooooooly crap you're right!
but for some reason, the 6legged spider still looks anatomically correct....xD
So.
Personally the spider seems to be a tarantula (it's hairy! and big!) and google told me that spiders can losed legs and still live. tarantulas are more violent and tend to lose them in fights.
so.
who do we know in DGM who may have something to do with a tarantula and may have lost....2 legs?
uhm. in chp200, is road anywhere to be seen? did she go through the portal with kanda!? o.O'''
And, i'm sticking with the fact that lavi/bookman knocked Chaoji out and made a run for it. hell, Fiddler might be chasing them!
(is it Fiddler or Feedra?)

Jaymie
November 03, 2010, 06:54 PM
Cyril was holding Road really cutely in Chapter 199, so she's still around. Somewhere.

riki
November 03, 2010, 07:10 PM
I think Road is being flatten by the earl because Allen did throw the earl on top of the Noahs in the last chapter.

Zatono
November 03, 2010, 08:14 PM
I'm hoping that whatever is going on with Lavi and Bookman has to do with the "other side of the war" that Cross was talking about back in chapter 168.
http://www.mangareader.net/210-15259-3/dgray-man/chapter-168.html

It's about time we found out about that.

Jaymie
November 03, 2010, 09:04 PM
Well, it is like Hoshino to start the next arc before the current arc is even over. Remember when the Third Exorcists were introduced? Near the end of the Timothy arc. We were introduced to the Egg and Lulu Bell at the end of the Ark Arc, and guess what the next arc was? The HQ Invasion.

Naomidee
November 03, 2010, 10:17 PM
You're right, Hoshino does plan way way in advance, so having this Lavi arc foreshadowed right now would be highly likely. She's just finished the Kanda arc and about to dive right into Lavi I'm thinking! Woot~!

I wonder if all this Fourteenth business is going to be happening simultaneously or if she'd going to put it on hold. Hmmm. I don't want to wait any longer for Mr. Neah to come playing around more often. Besides, Allen's not going to be able to hold him off for very much longer it seems.

fuuyu-yume
November 04, 2010, 04:33 AM
Hi there~

Well... I just had an epiphany and wanted to share my theory on something:

I don't think Kanda is dead, like some people think, because of the second splash in the water. Here is what I think:

I believe that both splashes are from Alma. The first one for that woman's soul and the second one for Alma's own soul, or vise versa. My thesis to this is that:

Alma was made into an Akuma, and thus needed a [foreign] soul as an energy-source, like all Akuma's do. But since he wasn't dead from the beginning, but only in koma, and was reawakened, he had also kept his own soul.

And I'm saying this because any body, when it's born, it has a heart, mind and soul, in order to live. So Alma's body [the male one] had all three things when he was born, he had his own heart, mind[brain] and soul. But then the scientist transplanted the brain, ONLY the brain. I mean you can't transplant a SOUL by transplanting a brain!

This just added other memories into Alma, but I'm sure he has his own personality and soul, he just happened to bear memories of a different being, which is what made him go insane in chapter 193 :/ [I would too freak out if that were to happen to me] But he had his own soul, until he became an akuma, and two souls were then in his body.

So yeah... I think both splashes in the water were from the two souls, Alma's own and that woman's. If that's not that case, the next chapter will show it to us, and probably clear all that confusion once and for all:

If really Kanda is dead in the next chapter, that means his soul had produced the second splash, and that leads to the conclusion, that Alma and that woman had one and single soul from the beginning.
[except if Kanda will die without making a splash, which would make it even more confusing @.@]

If that doesn't happen, and Kanda lives on, then that means, once and for all, that the two souls in Alma produced the splashes. So Alma wasn't a "she", but a "he", in other words, that this woman's soul never resided inside his body, but was only used after his awakening as an Akuma as an energy-source.


Also...if some day in the far away future Hoshino reveals us Kanda's and Alma's original brain-owners' names, and they happen to be different than "Kanda Yuu" and "Alma Karma", then this "I love you Yuu" was said by Alma! 8D *omg yaoi~~~~* [because why would the woman address him with "Yuu" and not with her original lover's name? I dunno....]

Anyway...I just registered and wanted to share this~ ^v^

Naomidee
November 04, 2010, 06:46 AM
Although we're not shown that Kanda has regenerated at all, I didn't get the "vibe" that he had died. In fact, I was a bit surprised when you started talking about him being dead. >.< I went back to page 13, and still didn't get the feeling of death from Kanda.

Now, about the two splashes. Yes, it could have been the woman and Alma, since it showed them as two separate entities walking away despite them holding hands.

clamche
November 04, 2010, 08:27 AM
Well Kanda is surely alive but if he intends to show up after some time he must find himself new innocence weapon. Remember how after Cross "died" it was supposed that he left Judgement in order not to become fallen one. Kanda left Mugen and maybe is not his host anymore and the sword will synchronize with Allen now.
Anyway, I think that the spider may be special and that's why it has 6 legs. I think that it is innocence and when it bites Kanda he will receive a new weapon just like the Krory case.

andrewsungchehau
November 04, 2010, 09:25 AM
About the spider...it might just be there randomly LOL.:P
I guess the spider had 6 legs is due the angle shown in the panel. Like Hoshino-sensei don't have enough space to draw all 8 legs in that particular panel.:P

Naomidee
November 04, 2010, 10:17 AM
Six legs. WHAT DOES IT MEANNNNN?! D8
Hahaha, I love these forums, we're so awesome. XD
And I feel like the double rainbow man sometimes.

The spider is most definitely not random though! When have we ever seen something in D.Gray-Man that's completely random? Neverrrr, that's when! The spider having something to do with Innocence would be an awesome twisty turn.

relory
November 04, 2010, 10:41 AM
OMG LOL Hoshino doesn't know that spiders have eight legs, not six... LOL whatever, this reminds me of Harry Potter, where you can speak to snakes. Snakes practicaly have no ears, but whatever!:eyeroll:D

LOL! I've never thought about the HP one x'D :D BUT! I just found out that Hoshino could actually have done it on purpose! :blink

Aleister Crowley(the REAL one :p) briefly mentioned the spider in his "Liber 777":


The Spider is particularly sacred to Tiphereth. It is written that she "taketh hold with her hands and is in king's palaces." (The most characteristic title of Tiphereth is "Palace of the King.") She has six legs and is in the centre of her web exactly as Tiphereth is in the centre of the Sephiroth of Ruach.
Appearantly it's special both that Crowley's spider only has 6 legs and that Tiphereth is masculine, although the spider is referred to as 'she' :)

Now, what is Tiphereth? *the-suspense-not-really*
According to Wikipedia, Tiphereth is the sixth sefira in the Tree of Life in Kabbalah, which is the spirituality of Rabbinic Judaism. It has the common association of Spirituality, Balance, Integration, Beauty, Miracles, Compassion, and Masculinity.

In Christian Cabala, Tiphereth is especially associated with Jesus Christ, 'God the Son' (as opposed to Kether, which is God the father, and Yesod, the Holy Spirit). This is because this is the Sephirah in which the divine force 'sacrifices' itself, transmutating into the forces of energy and matter, in order that creation might come to be. It is the sephirah in which 'God becomes a mortal man'. Christianity primarily focuses on Tipharet as a driving spiritual force, emphasising the points of love, beauty, self sacrifice and service in its greater aspect.

The archangel of Tiphereth is Raphael (the archangel of healing) who has been linked to Kanda somewhere earlier on this forum (and lj) :D

So maybe the spider represents Kanda 'letting go' or something.. finally finding (some) peace in his heart... or it could represent Alma sacrificing himself out of love.. or something.. really, if Hoshino actually is THAT deep into this stuff O.o that would be freaking awesome!

But, if it really represents the Crowley-spider(linked to Tiphereth), it could actually be/represent a Noah too, since Tipheret is "also known as Rakhamim", which means "Mercy" in Hebrew :headscratch lol who knows...

Dammit, I really should be doing my homework instead of researching on the occult and spamming with this nonesense.. ah, my brain is broken anyway :darn This stuff is really confusing D: But I feel so cool now :zomg and quite geeky too.. :3c
maybe this should be moved to "Hints from Mangaka" or some other discussion thread? xD

EDIT: My long post is long and beautiful and I sure love to express myself with emoticons 8D

ANGELiki
November 04, 2010, 12:57 PM
LOL! I've never thought about the HP one x'D :D BUT! I just found out that Hoshino could actually have done it on purpose! :blink

Aleister Crowley(the REAL one :p) briefly mentioned the spider in his "Liber 777":


Appearantly it's special both that Crowley's spider only has 6 legs and that Tiphereth is masculine, although the spider is referred to as 'she' :)

Now, what is Tiphereth? *the-suspense-not-really*
According to Wikipedia, Tiphereth is the sixth sefira in the Tree of Life in Kabbalah, which is the spirituality of Rabbinic Judaism. It has the common association of Spirituality, Balance, Integration, Beauty, Miracles, Compassion, and Masculinity.

In Christian Cabala, Tiphereth is especially associated with Jesus Christ, 'God the Son' (as opposed to Kether, which is God the father, and Yesod, the Holy Spirit). This is because this is the Sephirah in which the divine force 'sacrifices' itself, transmutating into the forces of energy and matter, in order that creation might come to be. It is the sephirah in which 'God becomes a mortal man'. Christianity primarily focuses on Tipharet as a driving spiritual force, emphasising the points of love, beauty, self sacrifice and service in its greater aspect.

The archangel of Tiphereth is Raphael (the archangel of healing) who has been linked to Kanda somewhere earlier on this forum (and lj) :D

So maybe the spider represents Kanda 'letting go' or something.. finally finding (some) peace in his heart... or it could represent Alma sacrificing himself out of love.. or something.. really, if Hoshino actually is THAT deep into this stuff O.o that would be freaking awesome!

But, if it really represents the Crowley-spider(linked to Tiphereth), it could actually be/represent a Noah too, since Tipheret is "also known as Rakhamim", which means "Mercy" in Hebrew :headscratch lol who knows...

Dammit, I really should be doing my homework instead of researching on the occult and spamming with this nonesense.. ah, my brain is broken anyway :darn This stuff is really confusing D: But I feel so cool now :zomg and quite geeky too.. :3c
maybe this should be moved to "Hints from Mangaka" or some other discussion thread? xD

EDIT: My long post is long and beautiful and I sure love to express myself with emoticons 8D

W.h.o.a. Er. That's rather a far-fetched theory. I mean, yes, Hoshino and any author would like to put some backbone to their storyline, but these aren't even well-known legents... I mean, except from the guys who read this forum, who else would understand anything?? Whatever, you may be right. I liked this theory, actually.:tem
[hr]
A-ha! Kanda is in Road's dream! He thought he saw Alma die! Both of them are still alive!! It was just a test!! Yes!! This is a higly likely theory! I'm sure Alma will be shaking him awake next!
Does it show too much that I'm an Alma fan?
[hr]


who do we know in DGM who may have something to do with a tarantula and may have lost....2 legs?

............ALMA has lost two legs XDXDXDXD
Er. Or rather, he doesn't have any legs. But he had a lot of hands at first. Remember? At least four :p When the dark mater was taking over.
For some reason, I don't think that Hoshino though that Tarandulas fight among themselves and lose a couple of legs in the process. I mean, it's too realistic to draw in a panel. I think it's most possible that she thought that spiders have six legs. A lot of people think that.

sparviero-92
November 04, 2010, 02:59 PM
A-ha! Kanda is in Road's dream! He thought he saw Alma die! Both of them are still alive!! It was just a test!! Yes!! This is a higly likely theory! I'm sure Alma will be shaking him awake next!
Does it show too much that I'm an Alma fan?


:o that's so unlikely! But I love your theory! (I'm another Alma fan :amuse )
kanda himself has kinda been living in a dream, always surrounded by illusionary lotus flowers

Naomidee
November 04, 2010, 03:56 PM
So like... Alma was reincarnated as a spider? Is that what we're saying here? XDDD
relory may be reaching far, but that's pretty crazy too.
And there's no way this is Road's dream world. As much as I love Alma, I would be pissed if he came back to life. What's dead is dead. Let him rest in peace! D:

relory
November 04, 2010, 04:20 PM
@ANGELiki

Haha, I do agree that it seems far-fetched, I was just really trying to find an explanation for why the spider only has 6 legs :cookiehand

But really, you never really know with Hoshino x'D She does seem to put things into DGM for us to look for :p And it could be that Japanese have heard more about this than us Westerners, I dunno.. I know that some Japanese fans like Roebe(.boo.jp) and W-Mania have discussed some of the occult themes in D.Gray-man(as Rouvellier and the Holy Grail-button-thing x'D Roebe is also the one who convinced me that Earl could be Mana in some way xD)

As I am very interested in Occult history myself, I can't help but notice all the clues she leaves in forms of symbols/drawings and such. The most obvious ones are probably Arystar Krory (who got his name from one of the most famous occultists out there), and the Black Order as the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (they share the same Rosy Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn#Structure_and_Grades)), Road once "said" a symbol(in the Ark, when she.. uhm.. turned into that ball thingy.. can't find other words sorry xD) which looked like the symbol of the Triple Goddess (http://www.occultblogger.com/triple-goddess-symbol/) from the Wiccan religion, and then you have the Ark, which has the same shape as the Ark (http://noah.atspace.com/images01/gilgamesh.jpg) from the old Epic of Gilgamesh rather than the one in the Bible. And then you have Tarot Card "The Fool" in chapter 123 (just (http://www.mangareader.net/210-15214-1/dgray-man/chapter-123.html) a coincidence..? :p (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Dgb82_se-XY/S8SYKOBpHqI/AAAAAAAAAZI/2jKosloUp7M/s1600/0+The+Fool+scan+Gilded+Tarot.jpg))
And the whole archangel thing! x'D Like Allen cosplaying in some kind of Fanal Fantasy/Archangel Michael-crossover on the cover of chapter 194.. blah blah.. Oh! (I might have, like, lost my medicine against ADHD or something lol wtf I'm sorry, I'm kinda strange today 8'D Bear with me please D: pooh) It's almost crazy how much is in this cartoon :blink

It could also be that the spider just represents something... well-known in Japan? I don't know what the spider symbolizes in Japanese culture :')
Now to something completely different! I'm not sure how well-known this is (could just be me who is ignorant to the wonderful buddhist teachings~), but Mana said farwell to the dog/14th (http://www.mangareader.net/210-15257-3/dgray-man/chapter-166.html)(?) with the Buddist phrase "Namu Amida Butsu" (http://www.aetw.org/jsp_nembutsu.htm)(or "booboo", that clown :eyeroll). This could mean different things:
- Mana was a Buddhist
- Mana was into esoteric Buddhism
- Mana just knows stuff :om
- Mana said something random that coincidently sounded similar to the chant
- Hoshino didn't notice/care, possible like with the spider :facepalm

wow, this is kinda messy...
... uhm.. what was the point of my post again? Oh, yeah; OMG, LESS THAN A MONTH TILL NEXT CHAPTER FOLKS! :pmg Well, at least we have stuff to discuss :D and I hopefully improve mine English :tem

I think I AM going crazy :err

Jaymie
November 04, 2010, 08:34 PM
No color pages next chapter makes me sad. No celebration for its 200th chapter? Or its first Jump SQ anniversary? :(

I suppose Hoshino has enough of a workload with the 3rd novel, autographs, and Volume 21.

ca12nag3
November 05, 2010, 07:16 AM
hmm 200th chapter? well its not that much a celebration tbh since it went from weekly to monthly, meaning if it were weekly wed already be way past 200. but a color page would have been nice ^^

ANGELiki
November 05, 2010, 09:37 AM
So like... Alma was reincarnated as a spider? Is that what we're saying here? XDDD
relory may be reaching far, but that's pretty crazy too.
And there's no way this is Road's dream world. As much as I love Alma, I would be pissed if he came back to life. What's dead is dead. Let him rest in peace! D:

I'm just kidding. It only seemed funny that the only person that didn't have two legs was Alma... Anyway Alma was alive when the spider appeared and obviously it wasn't Road's dream, I was kidding again. It wasn't a dream because it was COMPLETED. It left you with a feeling of PEACE. Kanda is RESTING now. It's OVER. They said their goodbies. To be honest, when we first found out about Alma, I was sure he would survive, and when we learnt his true identity I was sure his soul would be saved at least... I think everyone expected that... Hoshino surprised us again!:D:p

Asclepius
November 06, 2010, 02:21 PM
Although we're not shown that Kanda has regenerated at all, I didn't get the "vibe" that he had died. In fact, I was a bit surprised when you started talking about him being dead. >.< I went back to page 13, and still didn't get the feeling of death from Kanda.

Now, about the two splashes. Yes, it could have been the woman and Alma, since it showed them as two separate entities walking away despite them holding hands.

And i got the feeling that whoever appears in this illusion is dead for real, so i am not expecting Alma talking on next chapter. :(
Since Kanda isn't with "them", i hope to see him alive, but collapsing.

About the earlier posts about spiders...
Spider-Kanda?
*starts to imagine Kanda with hairy body and "tentacles"*
:err:yelling
Please, no inocence in the spider.

Dlanor_A.Knox
November 06, 2010, 03:30 PM
its a yuu, spider yuu, does what every spider yuu does xD
No Kanda will be bitten by the spider and turns in spiderkanda *imagines Kanda in spiderman costume*

Damn now I'm even more curious about the damn spider xD

KiBum Aarell
November 07, 2010, 02:47 AM
hi im new here but ive been reading these forums for awhile.
so, wat do u think allen will do now? i hope he doesnt listen to the crap hitler says...

and wat could have possibly happn to lavi and bookman?

ANGELiki
November 07, 2010, 08:23 AM
Er, I don't think the first splash was, say, that person, and the second Alma, because when Kanda looked over there (after the first splash) there wasn't anyone, only water. Maybe the second splash was just a splash.

Naomidee
November 07, 2010, 06:35 PM
I agree with you guys on this one, let's opt that the spider isn't going to give him radioactive powers or hair-legged Innocence. XD

I still feel like the spider has something to do with the Third Side of the war! Doesn't anyone else? It either traveled through the Ark with Kanda and Alma, was already in the Ark to begin with, or was already in Mater.

Or perhaps there's a chance that the spider is some kind of Akuma.

MSofAofCOCA
November 07, 2010, 08:48 PM
or or or or or or or
Hoshino is secretly pulling our leg - AND THE SPIDER MEANS NOTHING!
but if the spider DOES mean something, i think she's going to have a ball playing off a 6 legged spider that currently has absolutely nothing to do with the plot =)
I spy a plot twist that will put other plot twists to shame >D

ANGELiki
November 08, 2010, 12:21 PM
All right, I chevked Japanese myths about spiders, and I'll tell you about the two most promising.
In several myths, the spider had the appearence of a beautiful woman who created illusions to bewitch men to fall into the water where its lair was, in order to eat them...
But in another myth, spider is worshipped as a goddess who protects people from drowning...
Although I don't think that the spider will jump into the mud and come ou carrying Alma, especially since there really is no pond, I think that it may represent something... I don't know what, :(

Naomidee
November 08, 2010, 04:32 PM
Oh that would make a lot of sense, ANGELiki. That would probably explain the significance of the spider altogether. n.n

MSofAofCOCA
November 08, 2010, 06:06 PM
so....two spider myths that contradict each other xD
i <3 you Hoshino xD
... the first myth kind of reminds me of rhode....i know she was there trying to help pull the Earl, but i couldn't spot her in the last chapter, or tell what happened to her in 199...
i doubt she'll try something (if she's even there) like reanimating Alma, but she may be there to keep and eye on Kanda's where abouts/ try to further mentally corrupt him against Allen. Judging by what lulubell said, it seems like the Noah are trying to build even more hate towards Allen, and Kanda is currently in no condition to play any more mind games...
As for the second theory, i think it may be a new character. With Lavi/Bookman and half the 3rds gone and no alma/woman, we need substitute people. if it is a new character, how did he/she know to be in Mater?!

Koen
November 08, 2010, 07:59 PM
hi im new here but ive been reading these forums for awhile.
so, wat do u think allen will do now? i hope he doesnt listen to the crap hitler says...

and wat could have possibly happn to lavi and bookman?

The last thing Allen will do, is listening to leverrier (or however his name is written). The guy is too much into his own good but doesn't know that main characters don't support his view.

As for Lavi and bookman? Well, I remember that bookman said to Lavi once that if any crystallisation (like Lenalee) would occur then Lavi and Bookman would disappear.

Welcome btw

lil_clutterbox
November 09, 2010, 12:37 AM
lol. that spider stuff is too much for me... with all this prediction coming out < some are so radical that i can even stop laughing!!!> this forum is awesome indeed. But oh well, I so think that that spider has something good stored with it.... ^^ I mean it got plenty of panel right? and bout bookman and Lavi, having their own arc in DGM? woooo!!! cant w8 for that moment!!

Snowolf
November 09, 2010, 06:28 PM
LOL guys, I seriously think you're overanalyzing the spider. I just think the tarantula was put in to symbolize the death/decay yet struggle to survive in such an inhospitable environment. It kind of goes to show how Yuu's lost a beloved friend, but even in the most brutal (desert) of circumstances, he has to keep going on. IDK. Maybe I DID take too many AP English classes...

At any rate, I thought the art in this chapter was fantastic. I'm curious as to see what Allen's comrades are going to think of him, how Allen's going to get out of his sticky situation, and what the Earl is going to do about it.

HD-ray
November 11, 2010, 04:09 PM
I see that I’m probably the one here that thinks Kanda is going to die. I can’t see how Kanda can go living live now. He already found out that Alma is the person that Kanda be searching for, and now he’s dead. And Kanda gave his innocence Mugen to Allen you is suppose to be a Noah or something. But I could be wrong, Yu could still come back, thought it might very unlikely since he is shown with full of despair when Alma died.

Jaymie
November 11, 2010, 04:52 PM
I doubt Kanda died. It wasn't shown that his regeneration powers ran out. He's probably going to be moping around in Mater for the next ten volumes, but he'll be back.

MSofAofCOCA
November 11, 2010, 06:12 PM
I doubt Kanda died. It wasn't shown that his regeneration powers ran out. He's probably going to be moping around in Mater for the next ten volumes, but he'll be back.

with weaponz.
xD

Well yeah. If he does feel like dying/tries to, it will probably be one of those 'omg, i DO have OTHER people to live for, who are NOT alma!' plus, if kanda dies and lavi+bookman ditch, that leaves Leenalee, and althoug she kicks major ass with her innocence, if the order decides to take say, Komui, hostage against her going with allen, she will probably stay at the order.
and that leaves allen on his own (since miranda kind of sucks resolve wise, timothy is a kid, the generals are bound by morals (probably) and marie.....is....idk. and choaji is self explanatory...)

Asclepius
November 11, 2010, 06:25 PM
No, i don't think Kanda is gonna die. He may be regenarating slower, but I think that is enough to keep him alive till Allen comes to pick him up (yeah, i think Allen will come to get him later and they will part together).
As said above, Kanda will find another reason for living and probably Allen (and maybe Linali) will inspire him on that.

cool_inuyasha_girl
November 11, 2010, 08:41 PM
I too seriously doubt Kanda is dead, he'll be back later. I bet Lavi and Bookman know that Allen turned into the Noah, maybe they will go help him out. Allen won't be staying with the order but I doubt he will go to the Noah either, he'll probably start fighting against them both.

Jaymie
November 11, 2010, 08:52 PM
And what happened to Alma's parasitic Innocence? He was using it in Chapter 195 despite being an Akuma, but there was no further mention of it.

TitaniumChloride
November 12, 2010, 10:09 AM
And what happened to Alma's parasitic Innocence? He was using it in Chapter 195 despite being an Akuma, but there was no further mention of it.
The Black Order must have slavaged it when they were cleaning up the ruins of the lab.

sparviero-92
November 12, 2010, 12:35 PM
wasn't alma still using it when fighting (http://img1.mangareader.net/manga/dgray-man/1360888_e.jpg) kanda?

ANGELiki
November 12, 2010, 12:47 PM
wasn't alma still using it when fighting (http://img1.mangareader.net/manga/dgray-man/1360888_e.jpg) kanda?

Nope. I don't think so. Why do a lot of people seem to think that this was his innocence? Do you think there is the slightest chance the order would have left the innocence with him? Did you see any spinning light of innocence rushing to his side? The only thing he did was to make his palm a blade. That was dark power. With the innocence, his whole arm had turned into.... er... a sort of mass thing, and from the tip of his arm two HUGE blades appeared. They don't look alike AT ALL.

nyxem
November 13, 2010, 06:57 AM
the chapter was pretty good i cant wait for the next one :D but i rly wish they could do every week 1 chapter :S

LovingAngel
November 13, 2010, 09:14 AM
I have some thoughts about why Kanda abandoned his innocence. Remember during BO expirements he couldn't synch with it, but when in ch.193 he got the reason to live ( he decided that no matter what he would find "that person") and then he was able to synchronise with it. But later when Kanda learnt about that woman and understood that his searching was over, his connection with innocence was cut...
So somehow innocence gave him power in oder he could do...err...his mission. And when he complete his mission, their connection was over...

Sorry if somebody has written about this before.

ca12nag3
November 13, 2010, 11:38 AM
Thats a good possibility however only Hevlaska can tell if a connection is there or not between a innocence and a host.

But then again he is a 2nd so how innocence realy works is beyond anyones comprehension atm.

nyxem
November 14, 2010, 01:06 PM
does anyone know when 201 will comt out?

Jaymie
November 14, 2010, 01:21 PM
December 4th, I believe. So twenty more days.

And we should be getting the Volume 21 and Novel 3 covers very soon! I'm excited for those.

Zibi234
November 14, 2010, 05:43 PM
does anyone know when 201 will comt out?

maybe 30th november... but usuall release date in japan its 4th december (yet those who subscribed the SQ magazine... they get their issue's little ealier than those in shops)

yet today its just 14th nov. so looooooong wait... better not bug the head with it ^^

Naomidee
November 14, 2010, 06:35 PM
Yeah, this wait is killer. I'm already staring at my calendar and the month isn't even halfway through. (If it weren't for Harry Potter coming out this week, I would be having serious withdraws)

I think that in the next chapter we're going to have Link seriously admonishing Allen, and then the Noah make themselves the center of attention again by attacking Link. Something along those lines. I don't think we're going to see what's happening with Lavi JUST yet.

menino
November 14, 2010, 11:22 PM
kanda is no dead.
i think next chapter is gonna be lavi fight.

Naomidee
November 15, 2010, 11:42 PM
I forgot about this up until now, but-
I was pretty confused at this part http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/29967377/26

What is Rene talking about in the bottom right panel?
Could someone clarify for me?

Asclepius
November 16, 2010, 01:27 AM
I forgot about this up until now, but-
I was pretty confused at this part http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/29967377/26

What is Rene talking about in the bottom right panel?
Could someone clarify for me?

There are 2 hypothesis (in my mind):

1- By "you" she means Zhu, and Zhu did something that became very important for the Seconds project. My bet is on this since he seems to regret something since he first saw Alma in coma and he kept saying vague things about Alma and Kanda's past.

2-She means Alma, and she was thinking that if he didn't exist, this invasion would never had happened.

clamche
November 16, 2010, 02:28 AM
I think she was talking to the Earl. If not for him they would have never done such thing. Or maybe it was Zhu. I think he knew both Alma and Kanda's past personalities but helped the project anyway which makes him feel regrets.

sparviero-92
November 16, 2010, 07:37 AM
from the script
「千年伯爵(あんた)さえいなければ私たちは…っ」

"millennium earl (you), if only you didn't exist we..."

the (あんた, you)was furigana written beside the kanji for 'millennium earl', to clarify what renee was saying

Jaymie
November 16, 2010, 07:00 PM
Wow, Japanese sure is convenient. Too bad the scanlation didn't change the line to "if only the Earl didn't exist" or something.

candy
November 16, 2010, 08:32 PM
oh well i'm just glad we get scanlations in the first place!sure they can be a little confusing at times but hey they sure are convenient!

Naomidee
November 17, 2010, 09:54 AM
Thank you very much! =)
It makes sense that she's talking about the Earl and even using him as an excuse for the Second Exorcist project. And the Third project for that matter.

Although it is true that they wouldn't have performed the experiments if it weren't for The Earl and his Akuma, it doesn't mean that they were forced to do it either. They knew what they're doing is wrong. :/ It just doesn't completely condone it for me even though I can see where she's coming from.

lawlett-kun
November 18, 2010, 12:38 AM
Love every chapter of D.GRay-Man especially this one.Thnx lot.Cant wait for 14th to fully awaken

Zibi234
November 19, 2010, 02:28 AM
well I had no problem on understanding what Renee was talking about (that if earl did not exist)... I kinda read the context... first we see Earl talking the "truth" and after that we instantly see Renee beign all pissed and talking such line... it was quite obvious who does she mean ^^

still she kinda tries to clean herself from the quilt witch something like this.... well first of all.... no one forced them to create such inhuman experiments... it was war but still they could not do it.... and than Renee warked with Leavier on the 3rd exorcist project... without even telling this to Komui or Bak... and like bak mentioned that they promissed never to do such experiments ever again.... yet she broke the promise and that lead to current events...

anyway I wonder what will link do now.... will he listen to idiot leavier on stopping allen walker.... when sooooo many noah + earl are next to them and just waiting to get allen... or maybe link will see the situation and will untangle him thinking that tokusa changes like that becouse allen attacked him...

still there are possibilities that allen will break free... or tim will come and rip the tallismans off (as we did not see him with link on last panel)

sad that still so many freaking days to wait..

meepers4982
November 19, 2010, 11:59 AM
I cant wait until the next chapter. Im kind of hoping that allen leaves the order because i dont really think there is anything left for him there. Also this probably has something to do with the disappearance with lavi and bookman which gives me the feeling that the next arc will be centered around lavi.

Naomidee
November 19, 2010, 01:23 PM
well I had no problem on understanding what Renee was talking about (that if earl did not exist)... I kinda read the context... first we see Earl talking the "truth" and after that we instantly see Renee beign all pissed and talking such line... it was quite obvious who does she mean ^^


Oh, well I did have trouble, mainly because Zhu was the one talking last, and the Earl wasn't on the actual page. It just confused me a little. . I didn't thinking was quite obvious. But whatever ^^ Sorry for asking.

sparviero-92
November 19, 2010, 03:18 PM
it wasn't that obvious in english...
in japanese there was no problem since it was specified who that 'you' was..

------------------

what about tevak's dream now?
she said she saw allen killing tokusa ('the thirds') and then she saw herself killing him..
now that link is there as well I doubt he will allow allen to kill tokusa, even if allen somehow managed to free himself and attack (thinking of helping) tokusa, tevak would never be able to harm/kill him...
yet it's unlikely (difficult) to think her dream had no meaning

Zibi234
November 19, 2010, 03:38 PM
well I guess her dream is just a message like all other noah left in current chapter.... like Devi's talk "attention exorcists: yuu kanda woke up the 14th"

or Lulubells to lenalee.... Allen walker will become a noah very soon now... and soo you have to make another choice... belive the 14th or destroy allen walker...

while tevak had the same message... that allen will awaken as naoh and kill tokusa and her killing Allen could be the same massage as lulubells.. simply that allen will get to the evil side and they will have to kill him...

yet its more like up to tevak on what path she will go... do the prophecy of wisely of killing allen... or try to save him... I guess tokusa must tell link that allen was trying to help and save him and not kill him

damn still 1,5 weeks till new chapter =__= waiting is a killer... mostly becouse its sooo interesting now with allen/14th/noah's ect. and what will link do

does link want to use talismans to suppress the alma cells like he did with tevak (we see lots of talismans on her body)

relory
November 19, 2010, 04:37 PM
I don't think Link will release Allen too fast again. I totally understand why he did what he did. Link simply has no control of the situation xD ::

- First he lost track of Allen (over 10 chapters ago)
- Then he found a destroyed camp, and Tevak (who's had some kind of dream, appearantly because of the Noah, of Allen becoming a Noah and killing Tokusa and Madarao)
- Then he was attacked by a bunch of akuma
- Then Tevak started acting strange o_o
- Then Timcampy started acting strange O_O
- Then Tevak fainted and Link is all. by. himself. Except for scary Hamster Timcampy :cookiestare
- Then, due to Rouvellier's epic lung capasity (sp?) Link probably heard his shouting from far away and rushed over as fast as he could
- Then he arrive just at time to find Allen doing something to Tokusa (from an outsider it would look like he just stabbed him with the innocence.. which he kinda did)
- Then he panicked as "oh shit Tevak's dream was all truuue!" :facepalm
- and Allen was bound (away from Tokusa)

Just look at Link in the last panel. He's a mess! :D Poor guy, definitely deserves a vacation..

Don't know what will happen next, but I have a feeling that Allen and Link's friendship(or whatever they had, trust? Companionship?) might crack a little... especially if Tokusa dies because of this :crying
There will probably be some interaction between Allen, Link and Rouvellier, and maybe the others... or maybe the Noah will think fast and snag Allen away (as Link has wrapped him up like a christmas present:p)
God, I can't waaaait... almost 2 weeks left :darn

p1xel
November 20, 2010, 06:55 AM
Spider will kill Kanda.
Or he won`t.
That spider is mysterious...is he important or its just an ordinary spider?
Though i hope Kanda will survive.

Zibi234
November 20, 2010, 08:56 AM
Spider will kill Kanda.
Or he won`t.
That spider is mysterious...is he important or its just an ordinary spider?
Though i hope Kanda will survive.

I guess that spider could be a meaning of very good hidden place where no one could find that spider and make harm to it... it could be a symbol that Kanda is in a place where he can rest in peace with no order or noah interuption (usually such spiders hide in deepest parts of places to find the best cover)

but what if the spider is someones pet... like some exorcists that orders animals found him... or maybe the 3rd side by useing magic to control animals and make them their spy's (just like skulls use bugs as the barrier mediums)

I guess time will show... but where is tim ^^ I wouldnt be supprised if tim helped to free allen...

but what I see in next chapter is that allen will be pissed on link on what he has done... that allen wanted to help tokusa and link interrupted him and maybe lost the possibility of saveing him... (I predict allen yelling at link :p)

Dlanor_A.Knox
November 22, 2010, 05:35 AM
I think Tim is to large to go trough the doors of the ark xD

I wonder what happens to tevak and the other 3rd guy, since the rest is kinda...dead... 0.0

candy
November 22, 2010, 04:52 PM
maybe Tim shrunk to his original size???

Naomidee
November 22, 2010, 06:00 PM
One of the Thirds is still with Mercym, I think.

ying_su
November 28, 2010, 12:41 PM
Maybe you guys already said this but: Where's Lulubell the Noah of Form? (i cant remember the last time i saw her... Maybe as an spider near Kanda? *worried*)

Edit:
OK OK it seems i didnt payed too much attention to this chp!
I completely missed that dragon...

candy
November 28, 2010, 07:21 PM
lol its okay ying_su we all tend to forget some things when were waiting a month for a new chapter to come out! :D

Zibi234
November 29, 2010, 02:28 AM
ahah but still the dragon was on 1/2 page size so its suprises me that it can be missed ;P personaly at first I throught it was an akuma... but when I saw that mask and talk about naoh's not mention that other noah's were talking about the same issue I knew it was lulubell

anyway its almost end of the month... I guess today or tomarrow we might get spoilers... sadly at that time I will be mostly at work... so people will have to watch for it (well not that I wont look for them when I return xD)

earthforge
November 29, 2010, 03:12 AM
Bleh. Guys, there is nothing to the spider. It is just Hoshino playing with scenery. I do appreciate her actually sketching some details and metaphor, as she's been skimping on them for ~20 chapters. But jolly gee, there's no hidden plot device there!

I just think it was a metaphor that Alma and Kanda came to "The Land Forsaken by God" to die. Yes, die. It would really suck if Hoshino pulled a Kanda ex Machina, because he's honestly gotten a lead in to being dead.

On the Thirds, all but Tevak will probably die. We all can blame Alma for that, since he decided to go die without being destroyed by the Innocence, meaning that the original Dark Matter couldn't be purified - thus the Third's dark matter couldn't be purified. Self-righteous jerk.

On Allen... he'll proceed to be Mr. Martyr-without-a-cause, as more people suffer in front of him from their own choices, and he can't do a damn thing about it. We will likely observe bipolar-like shifts from extreme angst to sudden desires to become the main character (though we know that will never happen, as Johnny seems to be the true main character of DGM).

Asclepius
November 29, 2010, 03:31 AM
"We will likely observe bipolar-like shifts from extreme angst to sudden desires to become the main character..."

This made me wonder if we will get Allen and Neah arguing for half the chapter on what to do next. I was reading the chapter again and just now i paid attention to the Noah stain around his wound. So, the Noah nature is still trying to emerge.

ca12nag3
November 29, 2010, 04:52 AM
True but its still a symbiotic relation. Or at least it will be anyways since Allen is the main hero. Meaning Allen will never be gone for too long.

Either they strike a deal or we get a multipersonality disorderish kinda person.
Personaly i perfer the first. That they work out their differences and work together to achieve their goal *defeat the earl*

Sydney
November 29, 2010, 07:52 AM
I just think it was a metaphor that Alma and Kanda came to "The Land Forsaken by God" to die. Yes, die. It would really suck if Hoshino pulled a Kanda ex Machina, because he's honestly gotten a lead in to being dead.


I doubt Kanda will die. I never got the feeling that he would die. His regeneration abilities are still working, even if it is slow. His plotline is done though, and he doesn't have a reason to live, but I can't see him giving up. I really think he would join the 3rd side, and I believe Allen will join the 3rd side eventually. I think the storyline is working towards that point. I also think there are innocence users on the 3rd side, but they wouldn't call themselves exorcists because they are against the order.

Alma, however, should be dead.

earthforge
November 29, 2010, 11:01 AM
If Alma should be dead, then Kanda should be too. Alma's regenerative abilities also were still working and he definitely died there. Thus Kanda's in the same boat. It's also more poetic.

Wonder if Hoshino was stumped on how to evolve the character...

ca12nag3
November 29, 2010, 11:04 AM
tbh we had the entire parting thing for alma now, seeing the girl walk away hand in hand with alma. This was what Kanda saw.

Now for Kanda to be dead just like that without anything added for him is awkward. So i believe Kanda is *still* alive. If he will die in the next chapter or be mia like Cross or rejoin the fight i dunno.

Asclepius
November 29, 2010, 12:55 PM
Kanda doesn't have dark matter eating him from inside. It also isn't the first time he regenerates slow, it happened before when his arm fell during a fight with Alma (his arm also fell).
I still think he will remain in Mattel and later Allen will come to pick him up.

ANGELiki
November 29, 2010, 01:45 PM
All right. The akuma are the Earl's eyes and ears (and nose and tongue and pressure and heat and pain detector so if you hurt an akuma you hurt the earl:P) right? So. Alma is an akuma. So. The Earl knows where Kanda is.
And what if Rhode's doll body isn't her real body? I mean, we know it isn't, but what if she isn't really over there with Allen? In fact, she could be anywhere. In fact, she could look like a spider.
Just kidding. I think, too, that the spider doesn't mean anything much, maybe it's just a metafor of Kanda's illusions (as I have researched the japanese mythology about spiders and posted the results :D)
I'm REALLY looking forward to see Johnny's reactions to everything!! How can all these misions be happening without him around? I'll sent a complaint to Hoshino.
[hr]
I got an Idea. Leverier will order Link to execute Allen, Link will obey and shoot needles at him or try to burn him up. JUST when Allen thinks he's going to die, Kanda will sense (through his connection with his innocence) that Allen needs help, and for the last time, he will synchronize with his innocence (from long distance, too - I don't care if this can't happen- but why it shouldn't? After all there is a connection between exorsist and innocence, and Chaoji sychronised with innocence which was in another dimension, so don't even dare to argue :P) So. Kanda will use the SIXTH illusion, which will result in all Noah getting beaten up, and Kanda's soul getting consumed completely, JUST like Alma's and then we'll see a spectre of Kanda joining Alma into the mud. Yeah. End of the story.
[hr]
I think I'll replace my icon- from Kanda Yuu it will turn to Johnny.

ying_su
November 29, 2010, 01:51 PM
The moment for Kanda to die already passed.
He wont die.
Not now.
I vote for Kanda being completely out of scene for a few chapters/months from this chapter on (maybe next chp not included?) and his shocking reappearence in the future :D

andrea1chan
November 29, 2010, 02:40 PM
I vote for Kanda being completely out of scene for a few chapters/months from this chapter on (maybe next chp not included?) and his shocking reappearence in the future :D

I'm with you:D

and Kanda is to important to die.Allen can't fight with him self.

ying_su
November 29, 2010, 02:43 PM
Yes!
I dream with the day when Kanda comes to save Allen the same way Allen saved him here <3<3<3<3<3<3
Then Kanda, like that badass-ichigo, could say: I owed you one, right?

ruinedshadows
November 29, 2010, 03:55 PM
Bleh. Guys, there is nothing to the spider. It is just Hoshino playing with scenery. I do appreciate her actually sketching some details and metaphor, as she's been skimping on them for ~20 chapters. But jolly gee, there's no hidden plot device there!

I just think it was a metaphor that Alma and Kanda came to "The Land Forsaken by God" to die. Yes, die. It would really suck if Hoshino pulled a Kanda ex Machina, because he's honestly gotten a lead in to being dead.

While there's no doubt in my mind that Alma is dead and gone by this point, I have the feeling that, as Sydney said, Kanda will probably disappear for a long while now. Then, I'm thinking he'll make some kind of a brief appearance either as an empty shell of a person, or as a man who's overcome the tragedies of his life and moved on. The former would just be depressing and it doesn't seem like Hoshino's style at all, so I'm willing to bet on the latter.

Interestingly, I found an interesting little anecdote about the symbolism of spiders (from here (http://www.whats-your-sign.com/spider-symbol-meaning.html)):


The Spider is an ancient symbol of mystery, power and growth.

Just as the Spider weaves a web, so too must we weave our own lives. The Spider symbol meaning here serves as a reminder that our choices construct our lives. When the Spider appears to us, it is a message to be mindful of the choices we are making - and ask ourselves:

How are my choices affecting my life?
How can my choices improve my life?
How are my choices affecting others in my life?

Thus further proving my point. ;)


Also:

(though we know that will never happen, as Johnny seems to be the true main character of DGM).

Agreed :D

yukilove21
November 29, 2010, 10:25 PM
Yes!
I dream with the day when Kanda comes to save Allen the same way Allen saved him here <3<3<3<3<3<3
Then Kanda, like that badass-ichigo, could say: I owed you one, right?

:DDDDDD I would love that~ Kanda being Ichigo-like XD
And that would be true,m Kanda owes Allen big!

Ugh... I was expecting spoilers today, but oh well, their is always tomorrow.

I find myself waiting for this chapter really bad this month... (WHY HOSHINO YOU LEAVE US WITH A CUT-SCENE WITH LINK; WHO WAS LOOKING MIGHTY CUTE!!!!!!!!)

sparviero-92
November 30, 2010, 08:00 AM
Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch
Credits: :産業 ◆yQongahxCI

23ページかな

第201夜 絶望の罪人

よくわからないよ
戦闘は伯爵が3rdたち連れて撤退していった 近いうちにアレンを迎えに行くって言いながら

んで場面とんでアレンとティムがどこかに幽閉されてて次号
煽り
囚われのアレン いったい何が!?

アレンは色黒いよ
左肩に黒い模様があるけどこれは最初からだっけ?

3rdたちは子供の頃6人で座って会話してる回想みたいなのがあった
そのときに「リンにいさま」ってセリフが挿入されてた
テワクは化け物みたいになってアレンに襲い掛かろうとしたけど膨らんだティムにぶっ飛ばされてた




Verification: Confirmed
Source: 2ch
Credits: :産業 ◆yQongahxCI

it's around 23 pages

the 201 night : hopeless sinner

(I don't understand very well..)
in the fighting, the Ealr withdraws, taking the thirds with him. shortly after he says he wants Allen

Allen and Tim have been confined somewhere <---not 100% sure about this
Narrator:
What will happen to the imprisoned Allen?!

Allen is black!
(did he have a black pattern on his left shoulder from the beginning?)

(we see?)the thirds as children, there are six of them, they're sitting down and talking (it looks like a flashback)
in that moment "Rin nii-sama!" (and we don't know who says this line)
then Tevak, who became like a monster, attacks allen swinging something(?) but she's punched by big!Timcanpy



between parentheses= spoiler guy's comments
from DGM thread at 2ch

----
about the part with the earl..is the translation alright?

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 09:00 AM
Thanks! :)
But... "pending"? Mooo!

sparviero-92
November 30, 2010, 09:03 AM
I marked it as pending because I wasn't too sure
but the one who posted those spoiler is the same as always, 産業 ◆yQongahxCI

Sydney
November 30, 2010, 09:07 AM
Hm, so from the sounds of it, it sounds like Allen and Tevak are confined somewhere and she turns into a monster and attacks Allen? I guess we'll need more information, but does the spoiler say it only has 23 pages?

saladesu
November 30, 2010, 09:38 AM
Verification: pending
Source: 2ch
Credits: :産業 ◆yQongahxCI

23ページかな

第201夜 絶望の罪人

よくわからないよ
戦闘は伯爵が3rdたち連れて撤退していった 近いうちにアレンを迎えに行くって言いながら

んで場面とんでアレンとティムがどこかに幽閉されてて次号
煽り
囚われのアレン いったい何が!?

アレンは色黒いよ
左肩に黒い模様があるけどこれは最初からだっけ?

3rdたちは子供の頃6人で座って会話してる回想みたいなのがあった
そのときに「リンにいさま」ってセリフが挿入されてた
テワクは化け物みたいになってアレンに襲い掛かろうとしたけど膨らんだティムにぶっ飛ばされてた




Verification: pending
Source: 2ch
Credits: :産業 ◆yQongahxCI

it's around 23 pages

the 201 night : hopeless sinner

(I don't understand very well..)
in the fighting, the Ealr withdraws, taking the thirds with him. shortly after he says he wants Allen

Allen and Tim have been confined somewhere <---not 100% sure about this
Narrator:
What will happen to the imprisoned Allen?!

Allen is black!
(did he have a black pattern on his left shoulder from the beginning?)

(we see?)the thirds as children, there are six of them, they're sitting down and talking (it looks like a flashback)
in that moment "Rin nii-sama!" (and we don't know who says this line)
then Tevak, who became like a monster, attacks allen swinging something(?) but she's punched by big!Timcanpy



between parentheses= spoiler guy's comments
from DGM thread at 2ch

----
about the part with the earl..is the translation alright?


in the fighting, the Ealr withdraws, taking the thirds with him. shortly after he says he wants Allen

Front part is correct (except the spelling for Earl :p), but the Earl's line is incorrect. He says he will come to get/retrieve/welcome Allen in the near future.


Allen and Tim have been confined somewhere <---not 100% sure about this

This is correct :)


then Tevak, who became like a monster, attacks allen swinging something(?) but she's punched by big!Timcanpy

Close enough :) "Tevak, who became like a monster, attempts to attack Allen (nothing is suggested about her swinging anything, at most she might be swooping down upon him, as the word used can mean either that or just "attack"), but she is sent flying (punch works fine too I suppose) by big!Timcanpy"

The rest of the translation is accurate :thumbs

23P only, that makes me kinda sad :(

fakestar
November 30, 2010, 09:39 AM
OMG, finally hv spoiler!
i'm curious where allen been confined, by the earl or the order

hope could c it soon!

Asclepius
November 30, 2010, 09:46 AM
OMG, finally hv spoiler!
i'm curious where allen been confined, by the earl or the order

hope could c it soon!

I'd guess confined by Link, he can also use those special tags and he or the thirds put that little girl and her grampa confined somewhere right after the Noahs appeared in the fighting scene.

23 pages... *depressed*

The Earl leaving makes sense, he just wants to cause madness within the order right now and he did, i expect the order to break apart. But i was waiting for some fight and some deaths before it happened.
Well, need more info about that, maybe the Noahs will still fight.

eclipse12
November 30, 2010, 10:26 AM
By the way it is put the Earl wanted the 14th to wake up so it would cause friction the order and send their sights in a different direction. Also Tevak may become a new exorcist, she maybe so mad that she is willing to destroy the whole noah family just to get her brother back.

Snowolf
November 30, 2010, 12:08 PM
Ooohhhh. Sounds like things are getting worse and worse for poor Allen. And it looks that way- the Earl's just causing a bit of strife before he comes back. It's like he's saying he can destroy the Order at anytime- which brings me to wonder why he hasn't crushed it yet. Maybe he's using the Order to find the Heart for him? But why does he take the Thirds with him? What is he planning to do with them- study how the Order made the Thirds in the first place?

Weird theory #2: Allen will end up going to the Noahs out of his own willpower. IDK how it'll happen, but that's my guess.

I wonder why Tevak hasn't changed yet...it it just due to willpower? Either way, I do feel sorry for her. She must be going through a lot :(

MSofAofCOCA
November 30, 2010, 12:19 PM
So....... he takes all the thirds? or only tokusa? =/ I guess he might try to study them and make them into weapons again?? idk...
What, no color page? Allen turns black again? hmm.... I wonder if we will have some interaction between noah or maybe link/leviere... Kinda seems slow though.... hmmm, this must be a build up. But, i can't imagine Allen would just let Link keep him at bay as the Earl kidnaps Tokusa.


And it looks that way- the Earl's just causing a bit of strife before he comes back. It's like he's saying he can destroy the Order at anytime- which brings me to wonder why he hasn't crushed it yet. Maybe he's using the Order to find the Heart for him? But why does he take the Thirds with him? What is he planning to do with them- study how the Order made the Thirds in the first place?


...Wasn't it mentioned at some point that that is EXACTLY why he is letting them live, because they're becoming more and more desperate to find the heart they are being used to find it and the Noah will finally kill them?

kpmaie
November 30, 2010, 12:25 PM
Maybe Earl take the thirds with him couse they would be strong akuma after fully changed?
And about the theory: Allen going with Noahs seems completly imposible for me. Becouse Allen wont let himself be on the bad side. He may leave Black Order (they do bad things too) but he will never join Earl.And what goes with that he wont let 14th take control. No metter what. And after all the idea of Allen going with Noahs is completely not DGM like. It is not in hoshino style =D

MSofAofCOCA
November 30, 2010, 12:38 PM
Well.. It would be interesting to have Allen go with Noah (or maybe Lavi and Bookman) because it may give us insight in to how the family works....you know, try to make the Noah look even more human to build up out sympathy? now THAT sounds like something Hoshino might do. so that it hurts more when they die!
Though, honestly i can't imagine a scenario where any of the Noah can die. Skinn's death was obvious to me.....but, i can't imagine them dead. like, at all!
So.....is Tim slow(er than Link) now that he's big? Or does he grow if he wants to? And it looks like Allen/Neah have a body guard =) (and possibly a vehicle?!) xD

Is there a chance there is a time skip in this chapter? I can't imagine Hoshino covering Allen's imprisonment in 23 pages, so, do we jump straight to his confinement?

cool_inuyasha_girl
November 30, 2010, 01:06 PM
She already has made the Noah look more human. In fact, aside from the Earl, they have got to be the most human villains I've ever seen in an anime and yet at the same time they manage to be great villains. When Skin died we saw them all be then crying, when Allen was beating Tyki we saw Road showed great concern, Lust carried about that annoying dragon girl, when Allen did beat Tyki Road retaliated by trying to break Lavi's and the Earl did come to save Tyki he didn't just dispose of him like most villains do.

I'm also curious about that Lavi/Bookman thing, if you remember Jasdero asked Allen if the bookman were on "their side now". It makes you wonder if bookman, Lavi or both have been with the Earl before.

Jaymie
November 30, 2010, 01:22 PM
Good: this arc is over.

Bad: 23 pages? I know there's a new novel and Volume 21's out and it needs major corrections, but whyyyy Hoshino? If you keep this up we'll only have 2 volumes per year for the rest of DGM's run. And in the beginning it was 4 volumes per year!

It looks like Allen will be forced to run away from the Order next chapter. That's sooner than expected. I imagine that he'll probably try to get Tokusa and Madarao back from the Noah.

yukilove21
November 30, 2010, 02:34 PM
hm, sounds like an interesting chapter!
I am glad to see the opening of a new arc.
I am hoping that I didn't call Allen leaving the order true in a weird sense.. But still, that's probably going to happen soon...
And I might be a little optimistic here, but maybe shorter chapters, will like get it transfer again, into a weekly magazine once again...

Dlanor_A.Knox
November 30, 2010, 03:04 PM
YAAAY Timcampy, there you are~!! x3
I'm happy he stayed that big, wonder what Allen's reaction will be. Maybe Allen is conifined by the Earl? It could be that we will have a "real" conversation between The Earl and him.

I think The Earl also is displayed as a very human villian, he still cares about Neah and cries when Road&The Earl talked about their "tragedy" just before he swapped from human to Earl form. He cares alot about his familly....

...
I don't want that any of the Noahs dies >.< they are just to cool!

Naomidee
November 30, 2010, 03:19 PM
I'm happy he stayed that big, wonder what Allen's reaction will be.

He's going to pull out a giant ruler, measure Tim, and then proceed to cry over how big he's gotten. I8<

Weekly would.... be.... HEAVENLY. :'D
But somehow, unlikely. ._.

I think the Earl took the Thirds because he no longer has an egg. (He still doesn't have a new one created, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.)
He might use them as super-Akuma like he did with Alma. He has to kill off the human race somehow while his precious egg is still on blitz.

Sydney
November 30, 2010, 03:35 PM
I guess the Earl wanted to cause chaos in the order. What are they going to do with Allen now? It is now very obvious that Allen is a Noah now. They've known he was a Noah, but it is almost easy not to truly believe if it is not obvious. Well, now it is in front of their faces. This is going to be interesting.

Naomidee
November 30, 2010, 03:43 PM
He will be put on trial for heresy, I'd imagine.
Good luck with that witch-hunt, Allen. -.-

ketorin
November 30, 2010, 03:44 PM
I thought of this exact thing happening to Allen. Him getting captured or imprisoned and while imprisoned he became a full Noah. And I think once he does there's no hope for the order to keep him locked up cause hell he's the Noah of Destruction. I wonder when we'll see the stigmata appear on his forehead. . . for some reason I'm looking forward to that XD

Sydney
November 30, 2010, 03:47 PM
It would be interesting to see Allen on a trial for heresy. It would probably happen because Leverrier declared that Allen is no longer an exorcist and some of the scientists would think he is too dangerous to stay within the order. They were there to witness the 14th awakening in Allen. But the order also finds Allen's abilities as the Musician useful, but they'll probably think he is too dangerous.

And I think in one of the chapter he already had a stigmata, although you have to squint to see it.

ketorin
November 30, 2010, 03:51 PM
yup there might be a trial. I think it'd be a funny trial if he was completely Neah. for some reason I can just see Neah messing with them.

Naomidee
November 30, 2010, 03:56 PM
If Neah is anything like the Earl, then yes. He would definitely mess with them.

And someone mentioned that there is no way Allen would let Neah take over.
I beg to differ.
Although it wouldn't be permanent, Neah is going to emerge somehow.

Chapter 200 was tited, "Seed of Destruction".
Trust me, it's only just been planted.
Hoshino wouldn't choose a title like that without following through.

Sydney
November 30, 2010, 04:03 PM
Neah is a lot like the Earl, many similarities have been pointed out in the manga. But if Neah takes over, I don't think he would bother going to the trial. He'll just blast his way out. The order won't be able to keep him confined. :D

The order have a very dangerous Noah on their hands, and they don't even realize it. They are playing with fire.

And this chapter is called Hopeless Sinner. Heh.

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 04:15 PM
Not sure, but, maybe this is important?

2月号
シリーズ累計2000万部突破記念美麗センターカラーで登場

Jaymie
November 30, 2010, 04:20 PM
Color page in the February issue (out next month). And something else that I can't read.

sparviero-92
November 30, 2010, 04:24 PM
cover of the chapter (from 2ch)

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8048/99428889.jpg

candy
November 30, 2010, 04:26 PM
OMG!!!!POOR ALLEN!!!! but i have to admit i get excited when he's in noah form!

Zibi234
November 30, 2010, 04:28 PM
hmmmm It seems that allen has noah crossed on his head... since he has a head-band/bondage on his forehead...

and what if his transformation has been made becouse of the innocence arm beign put on the wound that was switching sides between allen and neah

but what if this is allen captured by naoh's... and earl and skulls made those "black seals" that would force allen to change into noah...

ketorin
November 30, 2010, 04:29 PM
OMG THAT"S JUST AWESOME!!!!

did anyone else notice the head bandaged??? I don't remember him getting injured in the head during the battle. (correct me if i'm wrong) maybe that means the stigmata has started to appear!!!!

hehheh Zibi234 beat me to saying it.

ca12nag3
November 30, 2010, 04:31 PM
Its not just the grey skin and possible stigma, you looked at his clothes? thats a noah uniform...

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 04:33 PM
Text in the cover:
囚われのアレン!!
いつだい何が。。。!?

Captive Allen!!
""What do the time..!?"" (via google)

sparviero-92
November 30, 2010, 04:33 PM
true,his clothes look like the noah's
but I think he's been imprisoned by the Order, those seals on his armand on the wall look like tho ones Link and the Crows use

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 04:36 PM
I'm agree with sparviero-92, those seals are from the order.

ca12nag3
November 30, 2010, 04:37 PM
Well basicaly seeing his clothes + his grey skintone, he is a noah. Now we can find out whos right about what a noah realy is.

If Allen is still Allen but changed or if the noah took over totaly.

Other then that yes hes locked up by the order.

ketorin
November 30, 2010, 04:38 PM
I think it's the order, too, that imprisoned him cause didn't the first spoiler say that the earl left saying that he wants Allen. why would he say that if he didn't have Allen.

candy
November 30, 2010, 04:42 PM
um i just re-looked at the chapter and there was no sign that allen injured his head!

Zibi234
November 30, 2010, 04:43 PM
true,his clothes look like the noah's
but I think he's been imprisoned by the Order, those seals on his armand on the wall look like tho ones Link and the Crows use

but what is different is that link uses "white" seals... while those ones are black...

well why would someone even bandage his wounds (cheeks and arm) and give a white cloths like noah have...

what if this is a result of something that happened later... and next chapters would be like a flashback of what happened that lead to this situation : P

kinda like how it was with Kanda... we already knew what happened yet we got to see few chapters of pure flashback of that time and saw how it happened... this might be the same... we dont see how allen was thrown into prison (or whoes prison) yet we see him already beign there... and now we will see what happened that made that happen...

I wonder where are allens friends now... those seals could have accelerated the transformation.... anyway interesting image (well the poster was a bit faster :P) and I kinda feel sad for what is happening to allen...

I mean: born with innocence -> lost mana -> got cursed eye and saw screaming souls from age of 10 (even teenage lavi said that it was hard to look at.. yet what could allen say a little kid and he sees them constantly) -> was fighting akumas & noah's -> becomes what he was fighting with his whole life -> order as thank you for all this time and hard work puts him into prison mabye to be executed

so yeah feel sad for allen... if the execution would happen and no friends would rush to help him... I guess allen will give up to neah as he lost his will... or earl and noahs would come to save him and get him to family...someone who accepts him...

ketorin
November 30, 2010, 04:46 PM
I mean: born with innocence -> lost mana -> got cursed eye and saw screaming souls from age of 10 (even teenage lavi said that it was hard to look at.. yet what could allen say a little kid and he sees them constantly) -> was fighting akumas & noah's -> becomes what he was fighting with his whole life -> order as thank you for all this time and hard work puts him into prison mabye to be executed

Yeah I think Allen has had the roughest life compared to any other main character from any other manga.

I still think the seals are from crow. Who said that seals have to be on a certain color of paper. Maybe the user chooses what color they have so they can identify whose seals are whose

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 04:52 PM
Black seals were used before. I think in the Timothy's arc.
Isnt it?
[hr]
Hell, no, they were white!!

ketorin
November 30, 2010, 04:54 PM
maybe the color signifies how strong they are. white being weaker and easier to make and use, black being stronger and a lot longer to make, or something like that.

Sydney
November 30, 2010, 04:56 PM
Maybe the black seals are stronger than the white ones. I'm guessing instead of bars, they have the seals around the walls keeping Allen from leaving. Allen looks almost defeated on the cover, and it seems like he is becoming a full-fledged Noah.

EDIT: Ketorin, you a very quick! :)

ketorin
November 30, 2010, 04:58 PM
Yup, yay I'm not the only who thought so.

If I was Allen and was turning Noah, I would feel very defeated.

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 05:01 PM
OK, about those clothes in the cover:
http://www.mangareader.net/210-15257-12/dgray-man/chapter-166.html

Sydney
November 30, 2010, 05:01 PM
I think the outfit Allen is wearing is not the Noah uniform per se. It resembles the same exact outfit he wore when the Order questioned him with Cross many chapters back. I guess this is their prisoner uniform :P

EDIT: Wow, another person was faster than me again. Maybe I should stop.

ca12nag3
November 30, 2010, 05:02 PM
Dont forget that this is ahead in time, last chapter was still at teh beginning of the fight with the 3rds and Link jumped in. Now were at a dungeon. This is most likely a full changed noah Allen.

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 05:03 PM
The chapter:
http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/61500901/1

Zibi234
November 30, 2010, 05:05 PM
The chapter:
http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/61500901/1

damn I was looking there 3min ago and the chapter was still not out.... damn... maybe if I had lights on I could write faster XD yet im not even looking on my keyboard ;P

ketorin
November 30, 2010, 05:15 PM
No!!! Why did it have to be soooo short!!!!!!!!!

good chapter I just wish there was most too it!

Poor Tim and Allen!!!!

Nathan
November 30, 2010, 05:19 PM
Hmm , just 23 pages

Maybe it backs to weekly update i guess.

I saw this pic , its DGM vol 21 cover. Analyzing this pic , we will see a Allen Noah on next chapters

http://forums.mangafox.com/store/signaturepics/sigpic399190_2.gif
http://imgur.com/A4gHQ.jpg

PiggyBank
November 30, 2010, 05:20 PM
Oh wow.
Two words: giant Timcampi! :spaz

And Allen's expression when he sees Tim - priceless!

The Earl puzzles me again. Here he is, able to finish the Order and Allen off in this very moment, and he just leaves. Again, may I say - he's had quite a few opportunities already. He grabs the Thirds, but honestly, he has so many pawns already, does it really make a difference. And he leaves Allen, who was supposedly his target. So yeah, he clearly wants to make Allen the enemy of the Order, he wants Allen to leave the Order of his own will. But why does he have to go about it in such a roundabout way?

Such a mysterious man, the Earl, gotta love him :hearts

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 05:20 PM
Again!
It was epic!!

And i got the idea we are now in that present related to those Allen's thought at the begining of the arc: http://www.mangareader.net/210-15277-16/dgray-man/chapter-186.html
Ahhh this break my heart!!

@Zibi: Fast in the wild west!! :D

OH! And this: http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/61500901/11 This page was the epic one! :D

sparviero-92
November 30, 2010, 05:22 PM
http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/61500901/18

who's the boy sitting next to link?
why does he have the same haircut as almaaa?!


I wonder why the earl decided not to capture allen yet..
he had a perfect chance: no exorcists arund, his own ark and an imprisoned allen/neah
and yet he's still blabbering about making allen leave the order on his onw will..

ketorin
November 30, 2010, 05:25 PM
Again!
It was epic!!

OH! And this: http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/61500901/11 This page was the epic one! :D

Yesh for epicness! Really good chapter, though of course wish there was more but it was a good spot to end. . .I think Hoshino likes seeing our pain as we wait for a whole month for the new chapter, I think she's a Sadist. D:

That is one of the best faces of Allen's >.< I just feel so bad for them in the end. Cause out of everything Allen has done for the order, this is how they repay him.

@Sparviero I think it's Madarao

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 05:30 PM
Tevak dreamd about Allen killing the 3rds in order to Link stop allen at that moment?
Was all planed that way by the Earl?

@Ketorin: Allen makes another great face at the end of the chapter when he sees the Earl going.
(Ah yeah! She's such a sadist!! T.T)
[hr]
Page 7. "I might still be able to survive"
It's "I" or "He"? Allen's talking about the 3rd, isnt it?

ketorin
November 30, 2010, 05:31 PM
@Ying-Su yes he does! >.< all of them make great faces here http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/61500901/12 I like Reever's. How dare she be such a Sadist!

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 05:33 PM
@Ying-Su yes he does! >.< all of them make great faces here http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/61500901/12 I like Reever's. How dare she be such a Sadist!

I mean this one: http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/61500901/20
WOAH! An A for Allen! D

Zibi234
November 30, 2010, 05:35 PM
http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/61500901/18

who's the boy sitting next to link?
why does he have the same haircut as almaaa?!


its Crow's... from left to right its "goshi, kiredori, tokusa, tevak, link and madarou


anyway its just like I said it will be... we see allen imprisoned... and the question "what happened" on last page... so we will see events that happened before he was thrown to prison... we might see peoples expresions and reaction to allen.... we might see from lenalee's actions how stuff might play out... like will she feel painfull to see allen like that beign thorwn to prison... and so we might tell if someone will come and save him

I mean this is a perfect opportunity to see the order spliting in 2 parts... one that follows leaviers stupid manipulation (if something is not of his mind that person is a traitor).... or save allen and join him... (I wouldnt be supprised if the person that releases allen is komui... who might even ask to take lenalee with him as she might not be save here anymore)


and well when I saw the full chapter I noticed that the last page doesnt nessesery mean that allen turned gray skin... becouse in the chapter there were lots of faces... skin that was gray... but that was a sign of no light.. dark/shadows in area.... and since allen is in underground jail/cave there is no light so his skin looks gray but in reality it might be just shadow that was placed on him ^^ (well since if some white seals could stop allens full movements... so a black is moslty stronger and so it might suppress even noahfication (just like it can somehow can stop innocence from working)

anyway best part of it was HUGE ass tim XD and allens and everyones expressions XD still interesting that tim did not turn back to his small size :P (damn still cant wait to see huge tim trying to land of allens head like he used to do xD.... can imagine that sight... allens weak on knees with arms up... all wet with an strange expression saying H..H..Heavy...) ^^

ketorin
November 30, 2010, 05:37 PM
I mean this one: http://mangastream.com/read/d_gray_man/61500901/20
WOAH! An A for Allen! D

I know! That's a good one. I don't think I have seen Allen that made before. XD yay for angry Allen. I really hope next chapter Hoshino won't be a sadist and actually be nice and let us see what we want.

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 05:46 PM
We'll have an intermission between arcs next chapter with a color page to celebrate something i coudnt understand.
Nyah! I dont want to say this now but: i cant wait for the next chapter!! :D

I think Allen is sufering from his evolution to a Noah according to that bandana y his head, and that pic is localized at the present. The present i mentioned before.

Good news: The thirds arent dead (a great series with not too much deaths? XD) and Johny just appeared once this time XD

I'm a big fan of Tim.
Tim for the win! :D

Ah! I think Link will join Allens side soon. Next arc will be about this new side. Allen's side. (After all, the Earl is right: Allen cant call the order his home anymore... :( )

BTW, loves how Hoshinosensei plays with emotions in chapters like this. I roared with laughter and almost cried from the begining to the end of the chapter. GREAT!

Zibi234
November 30, 2010, 05:47 PM
hmmmmmm about that bondage... it could be the same seal... that was placed on allens forehead before... to suppress the noahfication process... it might look like he has turned noah... but well we see him sitting in dark corner with no light so allens skin naturally looks dark... and he is fully in seals... so I doubt they wouldnt put a seal on his forehead to suppress the stigmas...

hmmm I wonder about tim at page 11... I mean is tim pissed on allen... he looks on allen while haveing few anger veins all over him xd maybe he is pissed on allen about " what the hell are you doing ???? [noah process and all]

anyway while looking on tim... he reminds me of naruto... chouji character... meat-tank attack xDXD

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 05:51 PM
anyway while looking on tim... he reminds me of naruto... chouji character... meat-tank attack xDXD

Ahhh Tim reminds me to a sumo wrestler... xD

ketorin
November 30, 2010, 06:01 PM
We'll have an intermission between arcs next chapter with a color page to celebrate something i coudnt understand.
Nyah! I dont want to say this now but: i cant wait for the next chapter!! :D

I think Allen is sufering from his evolution to a Noah according to that bandana y his head, and that pic is localized at the present. The present i mentioned before.

Good news: The thirds arent dead (a great series with not too much deaths? XD) and Johny just appeared once this time XD

I'm a big fan of Tim.
Tim for the win! :D

Ah! I think Link will join Allens side soon. Next arc will be about this new side. Allen's side. (After all, the Earl is right: Allen cant call the order his home anymore... :( )

BTW, loves how Hoshinosensei plays with emotions in chapters like this. I roared with laughter and almost cried from the begining to the end of the chapter. GREAT!

If we do have an intermission between arcs i think it might be showing maybe some of Allen's comrades (like Lenalee) visiting him. I really want to see her reaction, she was already crying when Lulu Bell told her about Allen (it could have also been cause she killed Goshi) I also want to see Komui's reaction.

Tim FTW!!!!

One reason why I love this series so much is that she is really good at playing with emotion. Just like you said I also laughed and almost cried at the end (poor allen) She also lets you care for the characters (other than Rouvelier, I don't think I'll ever feel for him)

ying_su
November 30, 2010, 06:05 PM
One reason why I love this series so much is that she is really good at playing with emotion. Just like you said I also laughed and almost cried at the end (poor allen) She also lets you care for the characters (other than Rouvelier, I don't think I'll ever feel for him)

What about Johnny? :D