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hyper_megaman
October 07, 2010, 09:48 AM
I do not believe franky turned himself into BF37

BF36's in there, maybe with upgrades, driving bf37


remember franky's an excellent engineer. the last time he was ravaged horribly by a train running him over, he managed to fix himself up. synthetic skin is not an issue.


so, why the scars? and why the horrible weird distance between his shoulders and his arms? and why bother redesigning the entire bicep when he already has forearms that size?

http://i55.tinypic.com/125tahw.jpg

my theory: Bf37 is an exosuit. BF36, upgraded or not, is in there driving BF37.

driving BF37 is just like driving a tank. all-around armour thta he can fix and jump back into.
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comparison picture:

http://i46.tinypic.com/122hybq.jpg

Source:
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/40324560/10

tothx
October 07, 2010, 09:54 AM
Not a bad idea.. Cause he really is too huge right now

hyper_megaman
October 07, 2010, 10:02 AM
how else can one fix his weakness of having a flesh back because he can't reach there?

by making an exosuit, which u can walk around and design from all directions, then jumping into it.

his back weakness is probably gone now. but some time in the future bf37 probably get so damaged he has to jump out and fight as bf 36 again, then we will see his upgrades
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it also explains the shoddy work on his legs. it looks like they were just thrown in in the last minute.

franky probably only donned the exosuit when he was done with everything adn was preparing to leave for sabondy archipelago.

he then discovers it's too heavy, and whips up something on the spot that's kind of crude but works, and hurries off so he can reach early and upgrade thousand sunny

Turtle Pirate
October 07, 2010, 10:10 AM
how else can one fix his weakness of having a flesh back because he can't reach there?

by making an exosuit, which u can walk around and design from all directions, then jumping into it.

his back weakness is probably gone now. but some time in the future bf37 probably get so damaged he has to jump out and fight as bf 36 again, then we will see his upgrades
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it also explains the shoddy work on his legs. it looks like they were just thrown in in the last minute.

franky probably only donned the exosuit when he was done with everything adn was preparing to leave for sabondy archipelago.

he then discovers it's too heavy, and whips up something on the spot that's kind of crude but works, and hurries off so he can reach early and upgrade thousand sunny

by building arms that don't have a limit to where they can reach and using two mirrors...

i think you should just get used to the idea of franky's new body instead of trying to come up with some armor that he wears, even if it is slightly possible, although i'm very doubtful

and i think you signed your name on that way too many times

hyper_megaman
October 07, 2010, 10:15 AM
by building arms that don't have a limit to where they can reach and using two mirrors...

i think you should just get used to the idea of franky's new body instead of trying to come up with some armor that he wears, even if it is slightly possible, although i'm very doubtful

and i think you signed your name on that way too many times

edit: quoting for the record

nice straightforward thinking


aaaaand.. when has oda ever been straightforward?

and this is franky too, a guy who uses his hair as a fuel gauge. i wouldn't put it past him

thanks for the contribution though. it's always nice to have people teach u convention is the best and only way to do things.

kkck
October 07, 2010, 01:01 PM
I don't think franky has a suit of any kind. He had his body ravaged by a huge explosion so he rebuilt from scratch just as before. I think this is the same scenario as when franky first rebuilt himself. He used to be skinny as hell and when he rebuilt himself he made himself bigger. He just did the same process all over again. As for franky's current design, I do not like it. He is too proportionate in all plausible ways, outright awkward. He just stands out too much. I guess his size would be ok but his arms are just awful to look at. They look like if they were made from babies toys and put together by a 2 year old on crack. If they looked like regular (yet huge) arms it'd be almost fine for the most part(the size would still be too much though).

Uriel
October 07, 2010, 02:08 PM
LOL, all this just to not accept the change? Ingenious.

fcToho
October 07, 2010, 02:56 PM
When I look at the new Franky, I see something like this:

http://news.thomasnet.com/IMT/archives/Light%20Friday,%20Optimus%20Prime.jpg

Sorry Oda, but I liked the old one. I'm no Transformer-fan.

Gourmamonster
October 07, 2010, 03:04 PM
To me, Franky looks like a gorilla which makes sense since the lab he was using for two years was used to design cyborg animals.

I want to see him in action before I make any judgments.

kkck
October 07, 2010, 04:36 PM
I don't think that was the case. Didn't the manga say that once franky exploded the manga he found another secret lab where vegapunk used to work at?

Gourmamonster
October 07, 2010, 04:40 PM
I don't think that was the case. Didn't the manga say that once franky exploded the manga he found another secret lab where vegapunk used to work at?

The second "secret" lab was the animal cyborg lab.

http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/93580674/14

Turtle Pirate
October 07, 2010, 05:17 PM
edit: quoting for the record

nice straightforward thinking


aaaaand.. when has oda ever been straightforward?

and this is franky too, a guy who uses his hair as a fuel gauge. i wouldn't put it past him

thanks for the contribution though. it's always nice to have people teach u convention is the best and only way to do things.

hardly conventional, the idea of an armor is gay to me

he has to "equip" an armor anytime he needs to fight, it's not his own strength
he's getting into a mech and fighting with it

and him having his hair as a fuel gauge has nothing to do with him wearing an armor or not... i'd say that's just a comedic side-effect that oda just added

kkck
October 07, 2010, 06:28 PM
It'd be interesting if franky actually has different sets of arms in store. Basically, the arms he has right now would be a set out of many.

Gourmamonster
October 07, 2010, 06:45 PM
I think what makes his arms look so bad are the balls for shoulders and his armpits are by his stomach..

kkck
October 07, 2010, 06:53 PM
I think it's the weird joints and huge cubes he has for arms. huge ridiculous shoulders do not help. I think the main issue is that his arms don't actually look human in the least, they look like a bunch of old toys put together. If they actually looked somewhat human and smoother the ridiculous size would be passable.

Gourmamonster
October 07, 2010, 07:14 PM
I just hope we can see what he can do with his upgrades soon. It has to be completely BA to justify his new look.

hyper_megaman
October 07, 2010, 07:32 PM
hardly conventional, the idea of an armor is gay to me

he has to "equip" an armor anytime he needs to fight, it's not his own strength
he's getting into a mech and fighting with it

and him having his hair as a fuel gauge has nothing to do with him wearing an armor or not... i'd say that's just a comedic side-effect that oda just added
define own strength. what's the difference between his strength or not if he stays inside it?

the fact that he's been using it all the while so far shows he could be adapting to it
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his fist might not be inside the forearms. it could be an open extension and connected to his lego arms, and he can disconnect them at the elbow joint to reveal his old forearms' connectors (weapons left style, only without the hinged palm anymore)
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I don't think franky has a suit of any kind. He had his body ravaged by a huge explosion so he rebuilt from scratch just as before. I think this is the same scenario as when franky first rebuilt himself. He used to be skinny as hell and when he rebuilt himself he made himself bigger. He just did the same process all over again. As for franky's current design, I do not like it. He is too proportionate in all plausible ways, outright awkward. He just stands out too much. I guess his size would be ok but his arms are just awful to look at. They look like if they were made from babies toys and put together by a 2 year old on crack. If they looked like regular (yet huge) arms it'd be almost fine for the most part(the size would still be too much though).
he was fully operational, just had his synthetic skin burned off

he was in no pain, or discomfort at all, if he could play around like that

if u look closely he retained all his limbs, including his outermost extremities

Turtle Pirate
October 07, 2010, 07:33 PM
define own strength. what's the difference between his strength or not if he stays inside it?

the fact that he's been using it all the while so far shows he could be adapting to it
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his fist might not be inside the forearms. it could be an open extension and connected to his lego arms, and he can disconnect them at the elbow joint to reveal his old forearms' connectors (weapons left style, only without the hinged palm anymore)

as i said... it's the mech's strength according to your theory, and it's just his piloting abilities

but i'm done, you're not gonna give this up til you see otherwise, so just enjoy your "armor" idea

hyper_megaman
October 07, 2010, 07:35 PM
I just hope we can see what he can do with his upgrades soon. It has to be completely BA to justify his new look.

what's BA?

yea i hope so too. i really want confirmation, regardless of whether i'm right or wrong.


this is my theory until then though
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as i said... it's the mech's strength according to your theory, and it's just his piloting abilities

but i'm done, you're not gonna give this up til you see otherwise, so just enjoy your "armor" idea
what's piloting skills got to do with it if u use it every single day? it's basically an extension already, or prosthetics

so tony stark's strength is in his ability to pilot his armour? not in the armour's capability itself?

how much ability do u need to pilot an exosuit?

so what about people who lose their limbs and haev prosthetics? piloting skills much?

Turtle Pirate
October 07, 2010, 07:53 PM
what's BA?

yea i hope so too. i really want confirmation, regardless of whether i'm right or wrong.


this is my theory until then though
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what's piloting skills got to do with it if u use it every single day? it's basically an extension already, or prosthetics

so tony stark's strength is in his ability to pilot his armour? not in the armour's capability itself?

how much ability do u need to pilot an exosuit?

so what about people who lose their limbs and haev prosthetics? piloting skills much?

everything you said pretty much confirmed what i said...
besides the loss of limbs thing, you have to strengthen other parts of your body to be able to use a prosthetic limb
prosthetics would be BF36 - he replaced his torn destroyed body with metal
you're saying BF37 is an armor he walks into to be strong, and he leaves and then he's super weak again
hopefully he never leaves that armor on the ship when he gets into a pinch

yes, tony stark can't do crap, his ability is being really smart
all the power is in the armor, which is why there's a war machine and other enemies who just use armors...
the power's in the suit, not the person

and i dont know how much you'd need to pilot an exosuit, cause there's no such thing in real life to test it out

hyper_megaman
October 07, 2010, 07:55 PM
everything you said pretty much confirmed what i said...
besides the loss of limbs thing, you have to strengthen other parts of your body to be able to use a prosthetic limb
prosthetics would be BF36 - he replaced his torn destroyed body with metal
you're saying BF37 is an armor he walks into to be strong, and he leaves and then he's super weak again
hopefully he never leaves that armor on the ship when he gets into a pinch

yes, tony stark can't do crap, his ability is being really smart
all the power is in the armor, which is why there's a war machine and other enemies who just use armors...
the power's in the suit, not the person

and i dont know how much you'd need to pilot an exosuit, cause there's no such thing in real life to test it out

essentially, yes.

point is, he never leaves the armour. and i'm not saying armour per se. it could be extension upgrades/modifications, that he can choose to detach and go back to his old form the day he sees the need to.

he's not going to take it off for fun. there are stitches, which i'm sure will hurt when pulled out forcefully.

if tony stark were to design just iron man for the upper torso, and keep it on 24/7, since he can use it with his daily life anyway, would it matter if he had the ability to walk out of it or not?

Turtle Pirate
October 07, 2010, 08:03 PM
essentially, yes.

point is, he never leaves the armour.

if tony stark were to design just iron man for the upper torso, and keep it on 24/7, since he can use it with his daily life anyway, would it matter if he had the ability to walk out of it or not?

ok, i see that as weak

sure if he never leaves the armor then it doesn't really matter much, but tony stark will remain weak, iron man is the strong one

the case for franky and tony stark is different though. Tony stark can't turn himself into a cyborg, so he makes an armor to use.
Franky can, and has, turned himself into a cyborg. So why build an armor that you never leave if you can just turn your weak body into a powerful one and not have to worry about the ability to ever even return to that much of a weaker version of himself?

in your case - franky = weak - BF37 = Strong
mine - franky is BF37 so = strong

tony stark = weak, but brilliant - iron man = strong

hyper_megaman
October 07, 2010, 08:19 PM
Franky can, and has, turned himself into a cyborg. So why build an armor that you never leave if you can just turn your weak body into a powerful one and not have to worry about the ability to ever even return to that much of a weaker version of himself?

in case u haven't realised, if u were franky u would never want to live with this kind of body for the rest of ur life. he's vain and engrossed with aesthetics

and bf36 was never weak to begin with

i don't see how actually cutting off ur arm and attaching it even further out to make an ugly modification to ur body that is hard to reverse is actually more appealing than utilising what u already have and adding on further armour and extensions.


if the exosuit/prosthetics theory holds, bf37 is not just the armour. just as the thousand sunny is not the ship that sails around the world, though capable, until it has finished sailing

bf37 is essentially non-achievable without the suit, and designed for permanent use in conjunction with bf36 as an interrelated system, that cannot be used by others, or at least not easily. therefore if my theory holds, BF36+exosuit extensions could be the true bf37.

just like how the hulkbuster armour functions with the modular armour. hulkbuster is worthless alone, and u don't exactly need extra piloting skills to power it. it's just an extension of the already-powerful modular armour

also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeWT-fuUyEY

the moment u hear of the word 'exosuit' u begin to associate it with the common mecha stereotype of must-take-off-everyday huh. 'armour' means he must take it off every single day and only walk into it when he fights

your arguments are all invalid if he were to keep it on 24/7 for years on end. it becomes the equivalent of prosthetics, and upgrade extensions. start trying to wrap your mind around this, it's not that hard. try thinking of its own aspects instead of regurgitating what you've seen and basing everything on that convention.

it doesn't impede his daily life anyway, aside from looking clumsy/ugly, and he can even lift coke bottles delicately. i don't see the need for him to ever take it off, not unless huge damage occurs.

could be right, could be wrong, but i'm satisfied with this theory for now, and it's as plausible as yours imho. your arguments are based on stereotypical views of exosuit usage, nothing clever or fresh of your own.

can't wait to see his full power too, even if i get proven wrong. knowing oda, i would be gladly wrong when the time comes.


this is my theory for now.

Turtle Pirate
October 07, 2010, 08:23 PM
in case u haven't realised, if u were franky u would never want to live with this kind of body for the rest of ur life. he's vain and engrossed with aesthetics

and bf36 was never weak to begin with

i don't see how actually cutting off ur arm and attaching it even further out to make an ugly modification to ur body that is hard to reverse is actually more appealing than utilising what u already have and adding on further armour and extensions.


if the exosuit/prosthetics theory holds, bf37 is not just the armour. just as the thousand sunny is not the ship that sails around the world, though capable, until it was finished sailing

bf37 is essentially the suit, but designed for permanent use in conjunction with bf36 as an interrelated system, that cannot be used by others, or at least not easily.

just like how the hulkbuster armour functions with the modular armour. hulkbuster is worthless alone, and u don't exactly need extra piloting skills to power it. it's just an extension of the already-powerful modular armour

also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeWT-fuUyEY

the moment u hear of the word 'exosuit' u begin to associate it with the common mecha stereotype of must-take-off-everyday huh. 'armour' means he must take it off every single day and only walk into it when he fights

your arguments are all invalid if he were to keep it on 24/7 for years on end. it becomes the equivalent of prosthetics, and upgrade extensions. start trying to wrap your mind around this, it's not that hard. try thinking of its own aspects instead of regurgitating what you've seen and basing everything on that convention.

it doesn't impede his daily life anyway, aside from looking clumsy/ugly, and he can even lift coke bottles delicately. i don't see the need for him to ever take it off, not unless huge damage occurs.

could be right, could be wrong, but i'm satisfied with this theory for now, and it's as plausible as yours imho. your arguments are based on stereotypical views of exosuit usage, nothing clever or fresh of your own.

can't wait to see his full power too, even if i get proven wrong. knowing oda, i would be gladly wrong when the time comes.


this is my theory for now.

you haven't understood a single thing i've said kid

that's why i said i'm done

you're too stubborn to even think about what i'm saying

so i'll say this again
i'm done, you're not gonna give this up til you see otherwise, so just enjoy your "armor" idea

so don't ask me anymore questions, i told you quite plainly exactly what i thought in like two lines, and then even explained in vast detail, and you have failed to get my point
talk to someone else

hyper_megaman
October 07, 2010, 08:49 PM
you haven't understood a single thing i've said kid

that's why i said i'm done

you're too stubborn to even think about what i'm saying

so i'll say this again
i'm done, you're not gonna give this up til you see otherwise, so just enjoy your "armor" idea

so don't ask me anymore questions, i told you quite plainly exactly what i thought in like two lines, and then even explained in vast detail, and you have failed to get my point
talk to someone else
oh no i got your point, i just ignored it.

so now let me sum up what you said


'i don't want franky to be so because what would mean he is still weak. your theory is invalid because it would make franky weak in my opinion'

that's YOUR opinion, and here's mine.

chauvinistic much?

does it matter if he makes it permanent or if it's just prosthetics if it achieves the same results, same strength?

same results but with more versatility. essentially we have the same end-result idea, except you don't think he can do that one function my theory implies.


so if u think about it, my franky has the same abilities as yours, except he has the extra ability of detaching the exosuit one day if need be. so he's actually more powerful than yours. weak? only in your mind.



and me being stubborn? i've repeated countless times i could be right or wrong, but the possibility is there. and i would just want confirmation, whether or not i'm right.

you, on the other hand, came into my thread and said my idea was impossible, using your subjective reasoning as an absolute argument, and keep insisting other people's theories don't work except for your own.

stubborn? riiiiiight.

Gourmamonster
October 07, 2010, 11:53 PM
what's BA?


BA = Badass

hyper_megaman
October 08, 2010, 12:57 AM
BA = Badass
oo yes please


i wanna see franky around kuma level. maybe slightly deficit in durability/strength because kuma's newer vegapunk tech, but with added franky creativity

Pipio
October 08, 2010, 01:06 AM
What is the point in arguing over whether Franky's upgrades can be detached or not? Basically he can detach anything thats not his original body or attached to some important organs.

IMO Franky's ares look incredible stupid with the giant spheres on each shoulder and Cubes for forearms. I hope his arms are transformable.

Like someone said before.. 2yr old crack.

Which might actually make sense, Vegapunk the kid genius maybe designed something similar to bf-37 when 2 or 3 and thus the kid on crack (braincells) theory pans out. :p

beastboy
October 08, 2010, 05:12 PM
What know, Chopper, Zoro, Sanji, Usopp and Luffy will have an Exo-Suit too, and then Pirates Docking 6 will be complete and ubber powerfull!!

Wait, this was supposed to be super silly and idiot but I'm starting to like the idea!

Spam286
October 18, 2010, 11:07 AM
essentially, yes.

point is, he never leaves the armour.

If this is your argument why are you even arguing? He's still gonna look like that whether it's a suit or straight up upgrades.


in case u haven't realised, if u were franky u would never want to live with this kind of body for the rest of ur life. he's vain and engrossed with aesthetics

This may be true, but Franky has a very warped sense of what looks good. Remember he's the guy who walks around perpetually in speedos and a hawaiian shirt. I'd wager if I spent two years designing either a suit I was gonna spend all of my time in or upgrades to myself, either way I'd design it in a way I liked. Franky probably looks like that now because he thinks it looks good anyway.

Personally I like the new look. It's zany and interesting and outside the box, which is totally Franky's style.

kkck
October 18, 2010, 12:40 PM
I am just glad franky got his hair back lol.

Gourmamonster
October 18, 2010, 01:27 PM
I am just glad franky got his hair back lol.

Same here, but on the next page his hair is missing again!

Jorge D. Dragon
October 19, 2010, 12:59 AM
I hope he can use lasers now.;) It would be great to see him destroying pirate or marine ships with them))

Bhoot
October 19, 2010, 01:27 AM
i have to say that Frankys new looks are not that good . Simply because he could have increased the size of his legs and feet . Right now he just looks out of proportion [i mean he is like a cone trying to balance himself on the tip] . Larger legs&feel would have turned him into a gorilla type cyborg thingy [which as per me would be very cool] . But right now atleast he got this hair back

Izznoogood
October 19, 2010, 05:07 AM
But still, its too wierd that he left scars on his body when we have seen him with no scars when he first rebuild himself, and im guessing he had way much more to work with i guess. And most offputting is the legs, what in the world has he done, if this is his true form, hehe. He went og a acid trip and jsut started upgrading himself is my guess.

And im of the hope its just a cyborg suit for adventure and battle. Does that body fit in the kitchen ect?

Lord Rayleigh
October 27, 2010, 06:58 PM
Franky left scars on purpose. This is obviously for the new Franky Centaur.

beastboy
October 28, 2010, 03:24 AM
Well, of corse Franky fits in the sunny, the ship's inside is really big.
I just don't know if the net bed's will be enough for him to sleep.

Deo_df
October 29, 2010, 07:13 AM
sunny doesnt have net beds

franky is not iron man

the big balls on his shoulder are designed to compensate for the weakness of the shoulder joint. they look slightly silly, but very powerful at the same time. It would also allow for for rotation which human shoulders cant.

All the animal cyborgs had awesome vision things, so did the pacifistas, i want to know if franky has upgraded his vision???

i think he is at least as strong as a pacifista, remember water 7 when he fought luffy, luffy didnt kick his arse as expected, they were fairly close, luffy later unveils gear 2 & 3 and completely surpasses franky (not that they fought but it was obvious as it allowed him to beat cp9), but initially frankys battle capabilities were on par (more likely below) luffys. he would have seen at least an early blue print of a pacifista as well as knowing their capabilities so would have been aiming to be better than the pacifista, perhaps he fights one and just looses then upgrades again???

cno
November 01, 2010, 01:49 PM
I am one of those people who think Franky looks much improved, minus for still not wearing any pants.

I am looking forward to seeing what the actual upgrades are besides just his overall change in looks.

As for people questioning is size, I am sure that his legs will be able to extend in some way shape or form, The look at least they can open up and do something. Same for his chest.

chess4
November 26, 2010, 03:46 PM
so frankie has headlights for nipples and a rocket launcher is his let shoulder. cool, i still hope frankie back is still human flesh and his is not completely a robot.

RamaJaya
December 02, 2010, 03:44 AM
I'm wondering if Franky still uses cola as his fuel. If he does, then i'm thinking of the possibility to compress cola into small batteries simply to increase its energy content.

Channy
December 02, 2010, 04:01 AM
Or maybe Franky has no use for Cola anymore maybe he found another way to power himself in Vegapunks lab thats not such a hassle

St Michael
December 02, 2010, 08:31 AM
He seems to have some super vision now. Like Superman does.

Actually it reminds me alot more PX's one. I wonder if he can scan people like them.

bisha16
December 02, 2010, 02:21 PM
He seems to have some super vision now. Like Superman does.

Actually it reminds me alot more PX's one. I wonder if he can scan people like them.

That would be cool but i wonder what is his ultimative weapon know maybe a bullet with a huge explosion

Kaiten
December 02, 2010, 02:24 PM
I didn't like his new look until last chapter. Nipple lights. Oh my god.

Poneglyph420
December 02, 2010, 03:22 PM
It has taken some time to see exactly what Franky has upgraded, but to me seems like a ton. Not only does he have the "gorilla" arms.. but a Rocket Launcher and Nipple Lights.. Game over..

Not only that, I think he's become more clever and well... inventive.

tret16
December 05, 2010, 09:59 PM
i think that most of the upgrades are minor ones but we will get to see a few large upgrades...

Bugzee
December 10, 2010, 11:34 AM
I wonder if Franky still has that Centaur Mode!? :XD

Well, I hope not. I'm looking forward to seeing what he has replaced it with (if he has that is). I'm confident he has something super special to showcase very soon. ;)

If he still does have the Centaur Mode then; at the very least it should have a fricking function and some guns! xD