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Junaid_Sennin
October 18, 2010, 04:34 PM
So, I contribute to the One Piece wikia and was thinking of editing Sanjuan Wolf's article and stating that he is a confirmed non-Devil Fruit user, based on Chapter 595, but upon closer inspection of the chapter, I've come to realise that it's not so clear after all.

Here's the page in question:

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-595/page006.html

Sanjuan Wolf: "Ahhhh! / I can barely keep working my legs... / No power'll fill my body... / Oww! I was bitten by a fish!

Now, after reinspecting the page, I have two possible opinions, as opposed to one definite one.

1. Sanjuan Wolf is not a devil fruit user, because he is treading water in the ocean and not drowning. The fact that he needs to constantly tread water means the water is too deep to stand in, and since he's keeping his head well above water, he is not in fact drowning, so he could not have eaten a devil fruit, meaning he is just a super huge giant. Since he also says that there is no power in his body, this could just mean he's tired because of the constant paddling.

2. He may be a Devil Fruit user. It's the line about there being no power in his body that makes me think this, since Devil Fruit users feel powerless in water. This could mean he ate a supersize devil fruit, and his body has been permanently altered like Luffy's, so it's his enormous size that allows him to not drown, since maybe the water is only deep enough that his feet shouldn't touch the bottom, so he just needs to keep his head above.

We've seen that if a devil fruit user's body isn't completely submerged, they aren't completely powerless, and this has been evidenced by Kalifa and Hancock in their baths, and Luffy when he, Smoker, Zoro, Usopp and Nami were in the cage under Rain Dinners Casino and the room was filling with water. So basically what I'm saying is, Sanjuan is feeling drained from being in water, but isn't completely submerged so he still has enough energy to tread water.

Also, perhaps his size has nothing to do with his ability, perhaps he could have a totally unrelated ability and his size could be natural.

So what do you guys think? I think each side of the argument is equally compelling at the moment. On the one hand, devil fruit users can't swim at all, not even paddle, so the fact that he is able to tread water and keep his head above water should mean he is not a devil fruit user. On the other hand, the fact that he is complaining about being powerless is reminiscent of devil fruit users. Hmm...

dct21
October 18, 2010, 05:54 PM
You make a really nice case. I allway thought he was like oz "a freak", maybe hes tired because his lazy or because hes been locked in impel down so long he hasn't been able to strecth his legs.

Fox666
October 18, 2010, 06:28 PM
Well, putting guy like that for decades in a confined space... no wonder his legs don't work.

Spaceman-Spiff
October 18, 2010, 07:30 PM
I think it's best not to put speculations in the wiki, just write that it's unknown.

kkck
October 18, 2010, 07:51 PM
I don't think he has a DF. Water takes away the strength of DF users. In that sense, he would not be able to keep his head over the water if he can barely touch the sea floor. He would lose strength, and sink to to button if he had a DF(even if the water surface was relatively close to him). I think he was just tired from swimming. Imagine how tired he has to be if he was on the water the entire time his crewmates trashed an island.

c0nflikt
October 18, 2010, 09:05 PM
I think it depends on the DF, if he had a supersize df then like luffy he would just be paralyzed in water, but if he had a df like kalifa he could tread, but in this case i highly doubt he has a df at all. of course a huge guy would be lazy.

EvolutionIX
October 18, 2010, 10:51 PM
I think it's only seawater that makes DF users powerless. That point you make about DF users taking a bath I have to disagree with.

Deo_df
October 18, 2010, 11:44 PM
I think it goes like this, humans are about a third the size of large humans who are a third the size of giants who are a third the size of large giants (oars) who is a third the size of san juan (im not sure if san juan is a giant giant or just a large giant like oars, id like to see a comparison between the two). It kinda reminds me of Gullivers travels, to the little people he is a giant, to the giants he is a little person, only in one piece the giants seem to be the middle and one piece also has mid sizes as well.

Id say if the average human is 6 foot or so then san juan would be around 600ft. Hence the height of a massive building.

Beast-Mode
October 19, 2010, 12:05 AM
brook was able to run on water right? i belive it was at thriller bark or vs the flying fish riders

kkck
October 19, 2010, 12:38 AM
I think it's only seawater that makes DF users powerless. That point you make about DF users taking a bath I have to disagree with.

Oda stated its any water that causes problems to DF users. Not to mention was affected by non seawater in alabasta and karifa mentioned how the bathwater from when she was taking a bath did inhibit her (or something along the lines of that).

JC_AC
October 19, 2010, 01:03 AM
Him being tired and always complaining I think is just a gag of his. Like the perv giant crab and camel in Alabasta or that dude from Skypea arc that just would do everything wrong like forgetting to open his eyes or move his lips to speak. If he was a DF user he would just sink like a stone. They don't get to tread the waters.

ScratchmenApoo
October 19, 2010, 04:26 AM
You know about those brain tumours that boost your growth massively and it doesn't stop until it's completely removed ?

Maybe San Juan is a regular giant but got one of those tumours and started growing and growing and after a while he got pretty concerned and then the tumour took over his brain and he became stupid and then he couldn't bother with it anymore.

Just saying...

Samui
October 19, 2010, 10:24 AM
He's clearly a Devil Fruit user. Look at his size in his first appearance, now look again at his size in chapter 595 and compare it to his initial size.

I know Oda sometimes makes characters bigger compared to other characters (e.g the Shichibukai being way bigger than the regular marines, not just taller) for the effect, but there's no way he will draw Sanjuan as large as the main building of Marineford and after a few chapters draw his hand being a little larger than Blackbeard's raft.

As for his complaining about his powerlessness in chapter 595. Why would he drown? He's pretty giant, and the water is probably not THAT deep for him.

kkck
October 19, 2010, 02:36 PM
Are you kidding? SJW head already dwarfed a boat as large as that... I don't think his size has changed in the least. Besides, if he could get bigger, why would he stay in a size where he can't properly touch the button of the ocean? It makes no sense. IF he had a DF he would lose all of his strength and even if the water was not that deep he would not have the strength to swim back up. We have seen the effect of water on DF users before, come on....

kidopitz27
October 22, 2010, 07:04 AM
maybe SJW ate a ship-ship fruit or giant-giant fruit (sorry can't make it in japanese) thats why he is big as a super ship or bigger that oz

zerocooldx
October 22, 2010, 02:44 PM
First of all if Sanjuan Wolf had a DF then he would have sunk to the bottom of the ocean like a rock. And i don't think we should be questioning the size of characters in OP. We have literally seen every size possible, and almost all of them had nothing to do with DF abilities making them that large. He is just one massive dude, kind of like Oars Jr was.

Taraku
October 22, 2010, 03:02 PM
First of all if Sanjuan Wolf had a DF then he would have sunk to the bottom of the ocean like a rock. And i don't think we should be questioning the size of characters in OP. We have literally seen every size possible, and almost all of them had nothing to do with DF abilities making them that large. He is just one massive dude, kind of like Oars Jr was.
We didn't see them being that large, but remember Sengoku transforming into that Buddha being way larger than before?
Though I agree with the rest of your post, we've seen it so often, once you are in the water you sink, even when you just submerge a little bit.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Devil_fruit#Side_Effects_of_Devil_Fruits

zerocooldx
October 22, 2010, 03:12 PM
We didn't see them being that large, but remember Sengoku transforming into that Buddha being way larger than before?
Though I agree with the rest of your post, we've seen it so often, once you are in the water you sink, even when you just submerge a little bit.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Devil_fruit#Side_Effects_of_Devil_Fruits

Yeah Sengoku, Chopper, and even Drake seem to be able to exponentially grow in size due to DF abilities. But they are amongst the very few exceptions i think. Most of the other characters are just unique is size due to none DF abilities. Oda does love to make his characters vary greatly in size and shape.

deffkryz
October 22, 2010, 08:45 PM
brook was able to run on water right? i belive it was at thriller bark or vs the flying fish riders
Yes, because he's only bones and no flesh (no joke!) - that's why he's light enough to do that. A DF user's body needs to be covered with water to lose his ability to move and use the power actively...


He's clearly a Devil Fruit user. Look at his size in his first appearance, now look again at his size in chapter 595 and compare it to his initial size.
Mere size change isn't any proof at all - not that there was a change. We only see his head both times. A size changing DF has already appeared in the game "One Piece: Round the Land", so at least a shrinking DF is impossible to appear in the manga.

In Chapter 595 Sanjuan is simply so deep in the water, a DF user couldn't move - but Sanjuan still moves his head. That's an undeniable fact. Two years before the TS, Sanjuan wasn't a DF user.

But that's past, how know whether he's now or still not?

kulugo
October 23, 2010, 01:45 AM
if san juan wolf could walk the entire one piece ocean. then one piece ocean is not deep at all.

deffkryz
October 23, 2010, 11:19 AM
if san juan wolf could walk the entire one piece ocean. then one piece ocean is not deep at all.

You're already proven wrong by where Fishmen's Island is situated... 10km below the water surface...

kulugo
October 23, 2010, 11:42 AM
You're already proven wrong by where Fishmen's Island is situated... 10km below the water surface...

then he can't walk the entire one piece ocean.

so he doesn't have a devil fruit cause he'll drown if go into deep waters, since he can't swim (if having a DF).

ScratchmenApoo
October 25, 2010, 04:51 AM
A size changing DF has already appeared in the game "One Piece: Round the Land", so at least a shrinking DF is impossible to appear in the manga.

A video game is definitely not canon.
For example, even though One Piece Movie 9 showed a Poison Poison Fruit user, he still gave the power to Magellan.

Lord Rayleigh
October 25, 2010, 07:17 AM
So, I contribute to the One Piece wikia and was thinking of editing Sanjuan Wolf's article and stating that he is a confirmed non-Devil Fruit user, based on Chapter 595, but upon closer inspection of the chapter, I've come to realise that it's not so clear after all.

Here's the page in question:

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-595/page006.html

Sanjuan Wolf: "Ahhhh! / I can barely keep working my legs... / No power'll fill my body... / Oww! I was bitten by a fish!

Now, after reinspecting the page, I have two possible opinions, as opposed to one definite one.

1. Sanjuan Wolf is not a devil fruit user, because he is treading water in the ocean and not drowning. The fact that he needs to constantly tread water means the water is too deep to stand in, and since he's keeping his head well above water, he is not in fact drowning, so he could not have eaten a devil fruit, meaning he is just a super huge giant. Since he also says that there is no power in his body, this could just mean he's tired because of the constant paddling.

2. He may be a Devil Fruit user. It's the line about there being no power in his body that makes me think this, since Devil Fruit users feel powerless in water. This could mean he ate a supersize devil fruit, and his body has been permanently altered like Luffy's, so it's his enormous size that allows him to not drown, since maybe the water is only deep enough that his feet shouldn't touch the bottom, so he just needs to keep his head above.

We've seen that if a devil fruit user's body isn't completely submerged, they aren't completely powerless, and this has been evidenced by Kalifa and Hancock in their baths, and Luffy when he, Smoker, Zoro, Usopp and Nami were in the cage under Rain Dinners Casino and the room was filling with water. So basically what I'm saying is, Sanjuan is feeling drained from being in water, but isn't completely submerged so he still has enough energy to tread water.

Also, perhaps his size has nothing to do with his ability, perhaps he could have a totally unrelated ability and his size could be natural.

So what do you guys think? I think each side of the argument is equally compelling at the moment. On the one hand, devil fruit users can't swim at all, not even paddle, so the fact that he is able to tread water and keep his head above water should mean he is not a devil fruit user. On the other hand, the fact that he is complaining about being powerless is reminiscent of devil fruit users. Hmm...

As an editor on the One Piece wikia - under the name of LordRayleigh - I must tell you that what you that you cannot add your opinion on Sanjuan Wolf's abilities and power simply because this is speculation. If you were to do it, other editors would edit it back.

I don't think that he ate a Devil Fruit because otherwise, he wouldn't be able to walk in the sea when only his head is above the water. There were several cases with Devil Fruits users who were in their depth and they were losing all their energy/control of themselves.

However, the Devil Fruit is possible, even if would give an ability similar to Sengoku - who seems turn into a giant golem. I would better say it gives his user the ability to grow at will. After all, there was in a One Piece game, the Mini Mini no Mi, which gives his user the ability to shrink at will.

Cizuz
October 25, 2010, 12:57 PM
A video game is definitely not canon.
For example, even though One Piece Movie 9 showed a Poison Poison Fruit user, he still gave the power to Magellan.

Actually no, in movie 9 he does not have the poison poison fruit. Also ODA said for continuity sake even for movies he had to approve devil fruit ideas. Wapols brother Musshuru used the mushroom mushroom fruit, a side effect of this is he was able to produce poison from his mushroom powers, but magdellen was poison incarnate.

deffkryz
October 25, 2010, 01:31 PM
A video game is definitely not canon.
For example, even though One Piece Movie 9 showed a Poison Poison Fruit user, he still gave the power to Magellan.

Sure, but Oda stated that once something appeared outside of the manga like DF fruits or characters they won't be part of the manga anymore... even if he was the one who created the powers and characters.

Mushroo also didn't have the "Poison Poison fruit" but more like "Mushroom Mushroom fruit" (Noko Noko no Mi -> noko which derives from "kinoko" as japanese from mushroom AFAIR)

Junaid_Sennin
November 04, 2010, 02:52 AM
As an editor on the One Piece wikia - under the name of LordRayleigh - I must tell you that what you that you cannot add your opinion on Sanjuan Wolf's abilities and power simply because this is speculation. If you were to do it, other editors would edit it back.

I know that, that's why I didn't add it. This is just something that interests me, and so I decided to discuss it on the forum.

Still, your point is well noted senpai.:)

kkck
November 04, 2010, 11:49 AM
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/45418858/10
I think this should prove san juan wolf is without a shred of doubt not a DF user. Luffy just got his arm wet and was powerless. Same thing would happen to SJW if he gets even half his body into the ocean. Anyways, there is no way san juan wolf would be able to survive being in the water as he was shown before if he couldn't even properly touch the button of the ocean.

Baron Vorg
November 04, 2010, 07:51 PM
heso..
I'am newbie and i an one piece lover.. This is my first post, i hope isn't embarassing.. I don't have english very well, so forgive me if i make mistake...
:)

I want to ask a question, if SJW is a df user, how he can fighting in battle? We know that df user is weak in water, but SJW is too large so he can't got sink.. But how about if the battle arena have the deep sea, example in Sabaody Isn't 10 km from the surface? And it's can be more deeper.. And i think it's not only sabaody, i guess many place in NW is more deep..
I hope all of you can understand what i say.. :)