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Dakahla
October 18, 2010, 05:59 PM
I'm confused a little bit here... here's the thing

Naruto's ninja manga aye? We've seen samurais as well, up till now every ninja 's using cold weapons, chakra-teqs, and those sort of well old traditional stuff... the thing which bothers me is well in the very beginning when team 7 was doing genin missions they used woki-toki XD, then we've also seen couple of times radios as well, - then lets mention Orochimaru's lair with all those "Cubes" in which's water or something and chemical stuffs 'n crap... then.. when the madara war arc started we've seen feudal lords using some sort of TV long range communication that's powered up via batteries lulz, oh yus and there were looooads of cables (CABLES?!) for real now, what's going on here :XD?

shinsengumi
October 18, 2010, 06:07 PM
umm the fact that some characters even know the name D.N.A explains a lot ,doesnt it ? using D.N.A to create something even better than the original --> the technology over there is even better than the 1 in the real world :p

Skidmore
October 18, 2010, 07:32 PM
It's another world, so what Kishimoto says that exists is law, but is funny, they have Refrigerators, Video-Conference, Wokitokis, but there isn't a car, or even a firegun.

And a firegun is something very simple, i mean, they understand radio frequency and cloning, but no firegun.

It's not a mistake, just funny.

Delbi
October 18, 2010, 09:28 PM
Keep in mind much of the biological, chemical, and phyiscal advancements in terms of science are a result of jutsu's, not technology.

That said, in the Narutoverse they have the use of electricity and they know how to use radio frequencies as Skidmore pointed out. Now, why don't they use firearms or other gunpowdered based weapons might not make sense, but perhaps we just haven't been exposed to them yet? Other places might use firearms, but don't use chakra.

CBlitz
October 18, 2010, 09:31 PM
I think Kishi also said that there were 8-bit computers or something in the Narutoverse. His official stance on the guns issue was they would make ninjas obsolete so that's why they don't exist in the Narutoverse. That said, they seem to have gunpowder, what with them using fireworks/canons and all....so yeah >__>

Tahl
October 18, 2010, 09:44 PM
I think you have to take naruto with a little pinch of steam punk salt.


If anything I think this threads pointing in the wrong direction.

The issue shouldn't be:

"That's weird look at the mish mash of Technology here"

The question should really be :

"How come with this mish mash of Technology it isn't so weird?"


Also f*ck guns, I wont to know why everyone walks everywhere.

Sollum
October 18, 2010, 11:16 PM
About Firearms.

Why do you think there still exist tribes in jungles that use bows, spears? Why cant they just move to city and enjoy city live? Simple, they don't need that.

Technology grows from the needs of people, if a tribesman wants a banana, he takes long stick and goes to a tree to hit down that banana, he wont even think that "Hmm, maybe i should make something to get up there... like maybe ladder" while he has a stick. Ofc war hastens evolution.


Same goes for firearms. If you can throw explosive tag, why would you need a grenade, if you can throw a kunai, why would you want a bullet, if you can Edo Tensei people back to live, why would you need Umbrella?

Nieuwsgierig
October 19, 2010, 02:54 AM
It would make for a real Indiana Jones moment. Gai charges up his Morning Peacock and someone just shoots him. Bang, dead.

shinsengumi
October 19, 2010, 03:04 AM
by the way , there are fireguns already . does Demon Realms Pain ring a bell ? the dude who has lasers and rockets in his head ?

DaoneLuffy
October 19, 2010, 02:07 PM
It's crazy in that world my friend, they are doing gene splicing and cloning dead people and doing genetics like it's no one's business.

hakuthehedgehog
October 19, 2010, 04:05 PM
considering the speed at which shinobi move, a firegun would be less effective than jutsus.

Also, having to reload in a quick paced fight would equal certain death.

Lazors are different though, but electricity is scarce in narutoverse IIRC.

Delbi
October 20, 2010, 05:26 PM
considering the speed at which shinobi move, a firegun would be less effective than jutsus.

Also, having to reload in a quick paced fight would equal certain death.

Lazors are different though, but electricity is scarce in narutoverse IIRC.

Bullets move pretty damn fast, they'd likely be effective against most of the shinobi population. Raikage and few others are the only one's who could likely dodge a bullet.

Also, electricity isn't scarce in the narutoverse. If they can use short wave radio's then they have batteries meaning they have a good understanding of electricity since they know how to store it it :)

Skidmore
October 20, 2010, 08:30 PM
Superman is the one faster than a speeding bullet, not a shinobi. So to keep fireguns away from the story is great, since i doubt that even raikage would be able to dodge that.

benelori
October 21, 2010, 05:55 AM
Technology exists as an extension of society...it helps people to solve problems, so basically it's to make life easier...therefore no need for firearms, if there are attack jutsus...but there's need for communication, need for medical technology...also no need for vehicles, since there's fast movement...I think it's pretty simple...some time ago Kishi was asked this question and he said that tech in Naruto is somewhere on the same level as in our world

3c
October 21, 2010, 06:17 AM
We also have to take in mind that technology develops differently (in theory) from world to world. We don't really have anyone to compare ourselves to, but it's pretty reasonable that a different world wouldn't evolve exactly like us. Meaning just because we started using guns, cars etc at a certain point in history doesn't mean that the shinobi world has to have developed the same way. For them things like batteries and power lines can have been developed long before firearms. Pain is sort of an exception with his mecha-Pain that could shoot rockets. Also it's important to take in mind what Benelori said, there's some things that's simply not as required in their world as it was in ours, hence why it hasn't been developed. They might not have even come up with it, to us that might seem strange as guns were developed centuries ago in primitive forms. However this is a perfect example of how different worlds act and to point it out again it's pretty reasonable that their world simply hasn't thought of using things like firearms.

Besides it's pretty obvious that Kishi has left out things like guns deliberately as it would destroy the balance of how ninjutsu is used in the Narutoverse. A normal rifle shot travels 1000 m/s, the majority of the shinobis would simply fall to a normal thug with good aim no matter how powerful they would be. In fact more or less every shinobi would lose against a gun if the thug is fast enough and has good enough aim to hit them while they move around.

Suzaku
October 21, 2010, 06:21 AM
Kishimoto has outlined the technology rules to a degree -- low-processing computers, no cars, few firearms. It's low-tech, sort of anachronistic, kind of steam- or diesel-punk (electric battery-punk?). It's just part of the Naruto setting.

Also, person who said "wokitokis"... wow. They're called "walkie-talkies". As in "talk" while you "walk".

shinsengumi
October 21, 2010, 07:53 AM
some time ago Kishi was asked this question and he said that tech in Naruto is somewhere on the same level as in our world

its even better if you ask me . at least orochimaru's and his respectful successor kabutomaru's biological experiments are too good to be true where they can even recreate a living creature from its d.n.a fully modified and upgraded (manda type 2) , implanting eyes on arms and gaining powers of others through d.n.a again and whatnot .. its a techno-freak show all together

benelori
October 21, 2010, 07:59 AM
its even better if you ask me . at least orochimaru's and his respectful successor kabutomaru's biological experiments are too good to be true where they can even recreate a living creature from its d.n.a fully modified and upgraded (manda type 2) , implanting eyes on arms and gaining powers of others through d.n.a again and whatnot .. its a techno-freak show all together

:D...well it can be viewed like this as well...though you must consider the fact that there's the notion of chakra and it's creative abilities. Also if we consider the setting of this biology lesson, then Hashirama had the ability to create life, so it's not a surprise that his cells have a great affinity in living further in other bodies, or even be recreated...
Also sealing jutsu and cell regeneration just by chakra must be considered as well...
So this time the biology part that it's more developed in the manga than here in the real world is because of chakra and the multiple uses of chakra...just take a closer look to the medical procedures...even if there's equipment, markings similar to sealing jutsu can be observed in every case(Sakura's first healing attempts, her producing antidote and even Kimimaro's treatment room)

Takahashi
October 21, 2010, 09:32 AM
by the way , there are fireguns already . does Demon Realms Pain ring a bell ? the dude who has lasers and rockets in his head ?

And yet they're still not as effective as a Kunai, go figure.
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Kishimoto has outlined the technology rules to a degree -- low-processing computers, no cars, few firearms. It's low-tech, sort of anachronistic, kind of steam- or diesel-punk (electric battery-punk?). It's just part of the Naruto setting.

Also, person who said "wokitokis"... wow. They're called "walkie-talkies". As in "talk" while you "walk".

Thanks for clearing that up, I was seriously confused trying to figure out what woki toki's were.

beltranl
October 29, 2010, 03:48 PM
To this I think we have to think of it in regards to what we already know.

Naruto takes place in an alternate reality from our own. They use

jutsus to do many things technology can do, sometimes even better.

So just imagine why have guns when one can make a kunai, even a

simple rock faster, stronger, more precise, and even deadlier than a

bullet. I just think their technology is connected to what they can do

with their abilities.

DementedKirby
October 29, 2010, 08:45 PM
Why use cars or other vehicles when the Tsuchikage can merely tap your ass and send you flying! Lol

Alterno
October 29, 2010, 09:01 PM
Weird that we are debating technology again. The author said that the world of Naruto is a world just like ours but without fire guns, airplanes or cars because they could out perform ninja, horses are fine because they existed in the real ninja world... Aka japan during those days, even were used by ninja for their assassinations.

kthy0056
October 30, 2010, 02:41 AM
This is one of the reasons why I like manga and anime so much :D. They're extremely creative without putting too much thought into what they make. It's all about the fun.

I'm currently reading One Piece, which is even more accentuated on this. I've seen a horror-like island, a sea made of clouds, mermen, cyborgs and so on. What about Dragon Ball and its mixture of magic and technological-magic (androids, capsules)?
Do I need to even mention mechas? :D

I think Kishi went with the understandable notion of making the manga fun instead of realistic. Otherwise, Sasuke might've been killed by something as meaningless as a gunshot.

LnDRash
October 30, 2010, 05:46 AM
Who would need a gun when he has Sharingun? Having a Flamethrower in your eye makes firearms obsolete!

Zancrow
November 06, 2010, 10:26 AM
who needs technos when u have jutsus , but nothing still beats the internet though lol , maybe in hidden ninja villages they are low tech but the countrys technology might be more advanced since they are mostly regular civilians