Bakuman Vol 13 (ch107-ch115) Discussion

[sir_arles]

You can find the chapter here (http://sleepyfansscans.blogspot.com/2010/10/jump-48.html) by sleepyfans.


Comment and discuss in this thread :)

[saladesu]

So they're ALL (or 4/5 of them so far) doing romance manga?! In a shounen magazine? Well that might be pretty interesting depending on their take on it but... I wonder how the editors would take to it.

Saikou is doing the one-shot on his own, but will he be releasing it under Ashirogi Muto or going with Mashiro Moritaka (or another pen name altogether)? After all Shuujin isn't credited on Rabuta as Ashirogi. So *technically* even if Saikou screws up there shouldn't be any impact on the public opinion of Ashirogi...

Anyway, I liked that Eiji was taking ideas from Saikou, and Saikou was taking ideas from Eiji. Eiji sounds like he is really good with action scenes (like making the images come alive), but I think action and romance scenes require rather different skill sets. I hope we are shown a few panels (or better still, pages) of each of the one shots, like how we got to see a few pages of PCP last time :)

And Hiramaru's expressions again (Y) Marriage of mangaka reminds me of Usuta-sensei and Sakaki-sensei which took place just a few weeks ago. Perhaps that's where Ohba-sensei got his/her inspiration for that bit ^^

[DidCart]

So, Mashiro decided to do the one-shot on his own. Good decision, Ohba-sensei. Now we are going to see a real competition between him and Eiji. I'm looking forward to it.

About the "everybody-decide-to-do-a-romance" stuff, well, It will be really interesting to follow the editorial department reaction when they discover it. :p

Another great chapter in the great manga!

[Newkerzy]

This was definitely the one of the most Epic chapters!!! damn, Ohba you ARE a genius!!!

you know what?? maybe, maybe just maybe this is a little foreshadowing of behind the scenes at RL Jump. I'm thinking it's a sign that the Big 3 is actually thinking of getting serious in romance and pairings. (Bleach and OP, and some closure on NS)

[saladesu]

This was definitely the one of the most Epic chapters!!! damn, Ohba you ARE a genius!!!

you know what?? maybe, maybe just maybe this is a little foreshadowing of behind the scenes at RL Jump. I'm thinking it's a sign that the Big 3 is actually thinking of getting serious in romance and pairings. (Bleach and OP, and some closure on NS)

Hmm, why would you say that? For Bleach, it might be the case now that Ichigo is all normal and everything, and Kubo might develop either the IchiHime or IchiRuki romance. For Naruto, I guess romance has always played a relatively important role especially with Hinata and Sakura and as Kishi builds up to a climax that inevitably includes Sasuke, Sakura and the love triangle will have to come into the picture. But for One Piece, romance has always been secondary. Not even secondary, more like way ignored. Even post-time skip, I'd hardly call Brook wanting to see Nami's panties as any romance XD And Sanji is the same as ever, Luffy doesn't care about girls and neither does Zoro... Romances involving Brook, Usopp, Franky and Chopper are kinda.. Out there.

[Knifeshade]

THE BATTLE OF ROMANCE MANGAS.

...hm..I don't know about that.

Good chapter though, looking forward to see how this arc pans out.

[Reclaimer]

As interesting as it would be to see 4 people compete with 4 variation of the same theme (romance), I can't imagine why Shonen Jump would allow them to do so. Eiji in particular would be forbidden since his won't be published no matter how good it is and they aren't going to risk his upstaging another that might be published.

[Newkerzy]

Hmm, why would you say that? For Bleach, it might be the case now that Ichigo is all normal and everything, and Kubo might develop either the IchiHime or IchiRuki romance. For Naruto, I guess romance has always played a relatively important role especially with Hinata and Sakura and as Kishi builds up to a climax that inevitably includes Sasuke, Sakura and the love triangle will have to come into the picture. But for One Piece, romance has always been secondary. Not even secondary, more like way ignored. Even post-time skip, I'd hardly call Brook wanting to see Nami's panties as any romance XD And Sanji is the same as ever, Luffy doesn't care about girls and neither does Zoro... Romances involving Brook, Usopp, Franky and Chopper are kinda.. Out there.

Dunno, just a feeling.... oh yeah, I forgot... if I'm correct, their deadline is February, right?? if not, then the editors will probably speed up the deadline so that the one-shots can be published on February. (Remember, it's valentine's people...)

As for the big 3 getting serious in romance, well.... there's been some hints before their timeskip (Bleach & OP)

Bleach: Ichigo and Rukia's farewell and his subtle denial of missing Rukia.
OP: http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-514/page010.html

This part has been bugging me for a long time. If Oda wanted to strengthen Luffy's helplessness in his inability to protect the Strawhats why would he choose Nami?? why not all of them, one by one. Does it mean Luffy holds Nami in higher regards compared to the rest of his crews (subconsciously)??

There's also some subtle hints with how when he needs to take his hat off, he always wants Nami to hold it. As well as the hot springs scene during Alabasta arc. Luffy got a nosebleed from looking at a naked Nami, but didn't when Hancock stripped in front of him. Not only that, there's also a parallel between the two of them with their pasts.

Luffy lost his two adoptive brothers. Same with Nami who lost Bellemere, her adoptive mother. Not only that, their adoptive family was also killed right in front of their eyes. If that ain't a hint from Oda, then I don't know what is.

Also, as for Narusaku, it's pretty much confirmed. They just need a little more closure, that's all.

Kubo is the one that's a bit harder to predict. He's pretty much a wild card in this deal.

[Kibate]

Oh please, don't start this pairing bullshit of the big3 here, there is nothing in bleach, nothing in naruto(Except for naruto x sasuke, which is pretty much canon now) and the only thing you could call romance in onepiece is hancock being implied to be luffys FUTURE wife, but right now he has no interrest and won't see her again for a very long time.

As for Bakuman Chapter:
To be honest, even though it sounds like fun that all of them will be doing the same genre(and i think hiramaru will be doing romance too, because he is thinking about the marriage thing) i actually hate it. If it were to happen in reallife and i were to life in japan i would write a complain letter to shonen jump. A little romance here and there is okay, but all of the oneshots? No thank you, i don't read SJ for romance.

But i'm glad that saiko will be doing it on his own, i was expecting this all along but shujin then said he will cooperate last chapter, i was kinda disappointed then.

And i hoped the hiramura plot would have happened differently. I was hoping that he indeed is able to forget about the oneshot and just concentrates on aoki and then pull out something random. Because he is a genius, doing something random would be the best(this is, after all, how he got into shonen jump in the first place)

But the editor of Aoki and the hikamori showed again how good he is. I still remember how he appeared in the first chapter and looked like a typical newbie, but everytime he shows up he turns out to be a really good editor(unlike certain other people *glareatmiura*)

[natli]

EIC will have a stroke when this Romance Battle will land on his desk :D

Saiko made a good decision telling Shujin to take care of his two serialized mangas. I love how he admitted he has no life outside manga, because that's how it has to be in real life with the workload they have.

[Newkerzy]

Oh please, don't start this pairing bullshit of the big3 here, there is nothing in bleach, nothing in naruto(Except for naruto x sasuke, which is pretty much canon now) and the only thing you could call romance in onepiece is hancock being implied to be luffys FUTURE wife, but right now he has no interrest and won't see her again for a very long time.

As for Bakuman Chapter:
To be honest, even though it sounds like fun that all of them will be doing the same genre(and i think hiramaru will be doing romance too, because he is thinking about the marriage thing) i actually hate it. If it were to happen in reallife and i were to life in japan i would write a complain letter to shonen jump. A little romance here and there is okay, but all of the oneshots? No thank you, i don't read SJ for romance.

But i'm glad that saiko will be doing it on his own, i was expecting this all along but shujin then said he will cooperate last chapter, i was kinda disappointed then.

And i hoped the hiramura plot would have happened differently. I was hoping that he indeed is able to forget about the oneshot and just concentrates on aoki and then pull out something random. Because he is a genius, doing something random would be the best(this is, after all, how he got into shonen jump in the first place)

But the editor of Aoki and the hikamori showed again how good he is. I still remember how he appeared in the first chapter and looked like a typical newbie, but everytime he shows up he turns out to be a really good editor(unlike certain other people *glareatmiura*)

It wasn't my intention, to be honest. But I just felt like answering her questions and posting my take on the matter. But either way, let's carry on, people :)

@natli: yeah, he might. Either way, it'll be interesting to see the editors' reaction.

[DidCart]

And i hoped the hiramura plot would have happened differently. I was hoping that he indeed is able to forget about the oneshot and just concentrates on aoki and then pull out something random. Because he is a genius, doing something random would be the best(this is, after all, how he got into shonen jump in the first place)

I was hoping that he would come up with an awesome random manga that would be a hit and he would be serialized! :tem But then, the editor came and I was like :notrust...

Well let's see what's gonna happen...

[BBB Banana]

Epic chapter I'm pretty excited to see how well Saiko can fair by himself. I wonder if Nakai will be back as an artist for Iwase's story.

[SHINOBI-03]

I can see it:

The editorial department will be in chaos in a few chapters!

"Everyone is doing romance?! In Shounen Jump?!! ABSURD!!!!"

[Sherlock Holmes]

inb4saikoisgonnadobakuman

[Reclaimer]

I can see it:

The editorial department will be in chaos in a few chapters!

"Everyone is doing romance?! In Shounen Jump?!! ABSURD!!!!"
The only way this happens is if none of the editors tells anyone else their plans before it can be stopped, and yes, Jump would stop it.

[kdowns]

inb4saikoisgonnadobakuman

That was going through my head the whole time.. I guess the series is about to wrap up.

[R4n]

@sherlock: before Mashiro comes up with romance plot, i thought he is going to do a manga about manga as well! :D

[Tygulopk]

inb4saikoisgonnadobakuman

That would've been epic, and would really have brought this story around full circle.
Ah, well, maybe they're saving it for last?

[CBlitz]

Iwase & Mashiro teaming up to do a romance manga is all but confirmed now. I think Tagaki should team up with Eiji for final boss material, it looks like things are going towards a conclusion

[oddlucks]

Bakuman 108 out soon this week, thank to Ieatsould

http://ieatsoul.com/manga-releases/bakuman-108-5887/
http://mangahead.com/Manga-English-Scan/Bakuman/Bakuman-108-English-Scan

Comment and discuss in this thread ;)

[sir_arles]

Nice chapter overall.

The "love at first sight" thing seems kinda dull to me... but it might work for a shounen manga.

[ernabc]

I believe in love of first sight.
I am 42 years old and I loved girls from when I was eight . I liked a lot of nice girls , many of them being my girlfriends. What I wanna say is that I refused only one girl of first sight and also I realised that I can be only with her 6 years later (love at second???) when we both had ~19 . First time she was in sixth grade. :D . We have a nice 18 years boy and I love her like in our first dates.:)

[Kibate]

i absolutely don't believe in love at first sight, or at least, not the word "love" i would define. For me falling in love with your soulmate on just a glance is impossible.

Anyway, as for the chapter
so they are going with love storys
i.am.DISAPPOINTED
This is a shonen magazine, i don't need no love-dovely stuff, not even if it is comedy or sports related. *angry shonen fan here*

but i love how mashiro freaks out in the beginning, i so can relate to that(i can write some genres very easily, however despite having talent at stuff like comedy i could never write an entire chapter, which is very ironic in its own way)

[Franklyn D. Kieran]

It looks as thought Shuijin might have to ditch Rabuta? Or maybe he works with Saiko on the one shot, and that might make Rabuta lose quality and not get chosen in the serialization meeting, although i suppose if shiratori does get serialized, maybe Nakkai could come back as Ashirogi's assistant?!

[Jaymie]

Bakuman is now precisely as long as Death Note was when it ended. In a week's time it will be longer. Congratulations TOTO on another successful series. :)

Anyway, this seems like a sort of filler arc, but it's pretty interesting. And it would be nice if their Anime was based off of Mashiro and Miho's story (it better not be called Bakuman or the meta-meta-ness of it all will make my head burst).

[Baron Vorg]

hello i'am newbie in here.. I hope you help guys.. :)

i want to know the romance story of eiji.. How he can make it? I think He's never falling in love before :D.. Does he fall in love with Iwase? XD

[Kibate]

And it would be nice if their Anime was based off of Mashiro and Miho's story
Won't happen, the cancelled manga from aoki was already this

[Reclaimer]

And it would be nice if their Anime was based off of Mashiro and Miho's story
Won't happen, the cancelled manga from aoki was already this
I don't think it was. There was a character in the one-shot who had that kind of scenario (there was also the Nakai/Aoki scenario), but I don't think that was the focus.

[kdowns]

hello i'am newbie in here.. I hope you help guys.. :)

i want to know the romance story of eiji.. How he can make it? I think He's never falling in love before :D.. Does he fall in love with Iwase? XD

He was Inspired by Mashiro's actions.

[Arrogance]

This Super Love Fest thing is gonna be amazing. Its really an interesting change of pace. All the focus is shifting away from Battles and Action and now focusing on a less focused aspect of Jump. This is going to be pretty interesting and I'm curious to see how each author can make a unique love story, that is different from each other. Hopefully in the end we will see many different unique works that shows love can come in many different packages. I like this direction a lot. Its still competitive yet its in a way we haven't seen before :grin.

[Googlez_kun]

I don't really know if i should approve of Eiji's contest idea.It's not that i'm against romance,i'm all for it.The thing is that i don't really know of what kinda relevance this is supposed to be.I don't see Saiko getting serialized with a romance,as it is neither his nor Shujin's strong point.So this isn't getting anywhere for Ashirohi Muto.Eiji does not gain anything through this either.Same goes for Fukuda.Aoki and Hiramaru are the only ones who can prove themselves in this and get a new series(they will probably make one together).

[Koen]

I think this is the level in which Mashiro can beat Eiji. The rivalry between Eiji and Mashiro isn't going on only on the series level they are drawing at this moment. Mashiro wants to find out if he can draw two manga at the same time. Imagine he can and imagine that he can beat Eiji in this upcoming contest; then he will try to introduce a new series in WSJ and in which he can be on par (maybe better than) with Eiji

[oddlucks]

Bakuman 109 out soon this week, thank to ieatsould

http://ieatsoul.com/manga-releases/bakuman-109-5995/
http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/Bakuman/Bakuman-109

Comment and discuss in this thread

[senewe]

friend, please check the thread title. lol.. anyway ton of thanks

[Iceiphoenix]

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Thanks to IEatManga ^^

[sir_arles]

Wow, that was tense.

I don't really why Shujin reacted like that all of a sudden.... crisis?

[sekida]

Wow, that was tense.

I don't really why Shujin reacted like that all of a sudden.... crisis?

I'm pretty sure that there's one or two scenes before that he somewhat said that his goal too is to make mashiro's dream come true. Now that Mashiro is doing good without him that makes him feels uneasy. It's like he's not part of it if ever mashiro got an anime out of it, then get married.

[-Ken-]

I hope they make up soon. Probably not going to be next chapter through. Hopefully in about a month real time (4 chapters)?

[DidCart]

Really tense this chapter... wasn't it?
Well, in my opinion it's just some sort of stress crisis.

A lot of things happening at the same time on Takagi's head. His will to work with Mashiro, his duty on writing Rabuta, the necessity of keeping up the good work on PCP... it's a lot of things to handle.

Probably they'll get along soon...

[saladesu]

Yeah, like DidCart said, it sure sounds like Shuujin has a real load on his back he needs to let off a little. He sounds really stressed. And poor Kaya, caught in the middle of all that, haha.

I never really liked the idea of them working apart on separate projects (despite continuing to work together on PCP). Hope they make up soon and work together on that one-shot or something. Since it seems Saikou is pretty good at thinking of stories (at least ones that are different from Shuujin's style), he could give some input for Rabuta, and Shuujin could give some on the one-shot (then it would at least be an Ashirogi Muto work), and everyone benefits.

And this chapter was Fukuda's turn to get a hilarious face XD

[Knifeshade]

On a side note, it was interesting to get an idea of how everybody's cracking the romance theme. I think Saiko has a good chance at getting the first spot in this friendly contest.

I'm also interested in Aoki's one-shot, it resembles Pita-ten a bit, hoping she at least gets 2nd or 3rd (she's got the most experience with romance imo since she's the shoujo veteran of the bunch). Hirumaru's one-shot was also interesting, if only because of the comedic atmosphere.

Akina....Akina's pretty much in this only because Shujin's now writing two stories. So she feels she also needs to (feels like it's a face value thing). So in my opinion, I wouldn't be surprised if she comes dead last, to me it's like she's forcing herself to write this one-shot.

Also, lmao @ Yujiro's "Yeah, well, it's not like saying I LOVE YOU will give you superpowers or anything" line. Hahaha.

[sekida]

Just read SleepyFans version..

I lol'ed at Hattori's comment on Mashiro's one-shot.

Hattori: I think it's worth revising though.
Mashiro: Really? What should we do?
Hattori: Maybe there should be another couple, a more normal romance that's a little ahead of these guys

haha normal couple and ahead! that's tagaki and kaya =D,
Mashiro's one-shot becoming more and more like bakuman right?
What's next? pursuing their dreams? =D

[Knifeshade]

That got me thinking about the question of when will Bakuman end? When they finally get an anime and Azuki is able to starr in it, or when they beat Eiji? One moment it's WE NEED AN ANIME SO WE CAN GET MARRIED, and the next it's I NEED TO BEAT EIJI, AZUKI. Rawr.

[sir_arles]

I guess they'll achieve both objectives at the same time XD

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood today...
But IMO, Bakuman is starting to need a serious plot twist. Something big.
Someone leaving, someone reappearing, someone dying, a fight... I don't know, something -___-

I feel like we're stuck... and this "Romance Battle" feels really "fillerish" to me XD

[saladesu]

Didn't we just see them fight? 8)

But I agree, it does seem like they're kinda stuck at the same place ding-dong-ing back and forth doing more or less the same thing. I'm not bored yet, but it could potentially get boring if Ohba-sensei drags this out too long. I ain't wishing an early end to Bakuman, but like you said, it'd be nice if there were some developments to really spice things up. (someone dying doesn't seem like it'd happen though. doesn't seem to go with the territory, but who knows~ :XD)

[evilcontinues]

shuujin wanted saiko to be more selfish that is...he wanted saiko to say "shuujin, please quit rabuta so we can concentrate on this oneshot as ashirogi"

[sekida]

Chapter 110 is up! Read it here. (http://somemangas.com/manga/Bakuman/110/)

[sir_arles]

WOW, what a chapter....

Man, I'm really tense now. I hope this doesn't end badly for Kaya and Shujin... They breaking up with be DISASTROUS.

[sekida]

Yeah got slight goosebumps while reading it. I love how Mashiro say those things to Hattori. Saying it straight to his face that he was the root of all this. I wonder how Hattori feels after that.

[saladesu]

You can discuss the character popularity poll results (though I think the chapter itself probably eclipses the poll results...) in this thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2176764#post2176764) ^^

About the chapter itself. Wow, lots of tension in there...! Saikou and Shuujin are both being so stubborn. They need to sit down and talk things out properly and calmly. Kaya clearly tried to be a mediator of sorts but it ended up messing up her relationship with Shuujin (hopefully not permanently) :/ Like sekida, I wonder how Hattori feels having Saikou literally level such a statement that implies he is the root cause of all their problems (in a sense) in his face. Though, like Kaya said, actually it's the anime condition that's the impetus for all these problems... Without it, they could be perfectly fine doing PCP which is a good manga on its own.

I think Azuki and Kaya will have a talk, and Azuki will give Saikou a call (or a text) soon to urge him to work things out with Shuujin.

[Reclaimer]

I think Azuki and Kaya will have a talk, and Azuki will give Saikou a call (or a text) soon to urge him to work things out with Shuujin.
I like this idea. Mainly because the accurate response by him would be to tell her to piss off and mind her own business. I'd also expect some resentment that what he has to do to achieve their dream is infinitely harder than what she does.

For greater interest, throw in a side of Nakai + Saiko against Shuujin + Shiratori. Assuming they somehow continue PCP, the meetings when Shuujin hands Saiko the script could be epic.

[senewe]

what a tense. I can see that there will be a conflict between Miho and Mashiro. because this is ultimately caused by the anime. I can also sense a third party that will probably come into a scene. either for Shujin x Kaya or Mashiro x Miho.

[natli]

Wow. Bakuman is doing "Relationships: Importance of Communication" :D

Shujin is acting crazy but apparently has a plan and some good motives. He's not telling anyone what the plan is, and people around him react differently.

First case: Saiko and Shujin. They have such a telepathic connection they don't need to communicate. Saiko has no idea what's going on, but he trust Shujin, isn't angry with him and let's him do what he wants. He figured out why Shujin wanted to do the meeting separately. This isn't the end of Ashirogi Muto, they're still in sync. Now I know why Eiji calls them Ashirogi-sensei, they really are one person.

Second case: Saiko and Kaya. Oh dear. No telepathy here. Saiko goes crazy, Kaya has no idea what's going on, gets scared, stops trusting her husband's judgment and when she confronts him , on two occasions she gets:
"You're annoying. Don't interfere with my work."
"Shut up. I have my own way of doing things. Don't interfere."
Ouch. This is nicely contrasted with Saiko, who asks Kaya what she thinks, even though he really doesn't have to, because, you know, they're kinda close with her being Shujin's wife and supporting them all the way, and all that. Shujin's marriage is in trouble, not only because they're not in sync, but because Shujin doesn't have any respect for his own wife.

And now "Kaya: The Voice of Common Sense". I really liked her speech to Saiko. She sees things in a very simple way: you should work only with your partner, and marry your girlfriend without the stupid anime. We know she's right about Rabuta, because Divine Eiji (first palace - whoot!) says the same thing. And I can understand the second part too - what if Saiko won't get an anime till he's 50? :D

[tobeulp]

What a great chapter Mashiro saying things to Hattori means he doesn't want Shujin to work on it... And knowing Shujin I think he is doing something that will help Mashiro and dumping Rabuta & Peace to Shiratori

[DidCart]

Oh god... great chapter.
At the end of it I completely forgot the results of the popularity contest and focused on the relationship problems that were born on this chapter.

Saiko X Shujin - I don't think that there is a problem here. During the chapter you can see that they still trust each other and that they are in sync. The problem will be if Rabuta gets serialized. But for now, no threat for them.

Shujin X Kaya - Ok, here there is a problem. Shujin's personality here, "I have my way of doing things", can put his marriage with Kaya to an end. Kaya is a very sensitive person and Shujin should know that but he apparently don't. They are sure going to have some issues to solve after the results of this arch.

Kaya X Miho - They are going to talk. For sure. And this is going to result on Miho calling Saiko.

Saiko X Miho - We are probably going to read their first bad discussion. Saiko is very stubborn. If she tries to put her nose into his work, he is gonna get pissed and will probably react in a way that will hurt Miho's feelings.

Obviously what I wrote are just some suppositions, but at least something bad is going to happen to one of them. I can't wait to read it!

[Fê - forever alone]

I really like the way that Bakuman speaks of life itself, focusing mainly on the life of a mangaka. Despite being a fictional work, it has very much reality/truth embedded in it, taking off Azuki and Saiko's idealization of love.

It's more like an excerpt from the life of two young men fighting for their dreams, through all the difficulties, frustrations and triumphs we all go one day in our lives. But of course, in a fictitious way.

And now with these relationship issues, wow, it's rare to see something with this theme and well done. I'm really looking forward and can't wait to see how things will turn out.

[Reclaimer]

Saiko X Shujin - I don't think that there is a problem here. During the chapter you can see that they still trust each other and that they are in sync. The problem will be if Rabuta gets serialized. But for now, no threat for them.
Yes, Shujin moving the meeting to another location to not waste Mashiro's time was nice, but having Shiratori quit at such an important time cannot be characterized as anything but a slap to Mashiro's face.

Mashiro will have his storyboard done by the time Shiratori leaves, but even if they hire another assistant, Mashiro will have to spend more time working on PCP which reduces the amount of time he has to draw his one-shot.

The exception of course would be Nakai. On that note, I would say this is probably the only situation in which he could come back and be "redeemed" as a character. He leaves the villain and comes back to "save the day".

[Arrogance]

WOW this chapter was crazy. Takagi is losing it. I haven't seen someone this disfunctional since Iwase was on her crazy spree. I have this gut feeling though that Takagi has a plan in this or there is something huge that is missing from the picture keeping us from really understanding what is going on. His actions just seem WAY too odd, yet at the same time Takagi is too smart to be this stupid so I'm having my doubts on the whole situation. That being said there is definitely trouble going on and I'm not sure how its going to resolve but it obviously is going to eventually. Very intense and emotional chapter this week and I can't wait to see how this plays out.

[Akiyama]

Neither scanlation team provided the cover, here you go.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/esker08/MH/th_51_cover.jpg (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/esker08/MH/51_cover.jpg)

[eternaltorture]

I never really liked Shiratori... Sure, he's a cute and bubbly character but seriously, he pisses me off. He does have some touch circumstances though and I give him crops for facing them head on but I just really wished he didn't write a name that made Takagi go "OMG SO GOOD" and started revising it. If Shiratori didn't come in, Takagi and Mashiro could of been collaborating together to write that romantic oneshot :darn

I also do not like Hattori for encouraging Takagi to be the writer for Shiratori's work. Doesn't he know that Takagi and Mashiro's a pair? Wasn't he the one who mentioned in the wedding ceremony that their works contained chemical reaction? Mashiro's drawings balance Takagi's writing.

All in all, Takagi belongs with Mashiro. Back when Miura said that Takagi should switch partners if Mashiro doesn't agree on what he's writing, Takagi got pissed off saying that he fully intends to continue writing with Mashiro by his side as the artist.
(BUT WHY ARE YOU WRITING FOR SHIRATORI D: UGH)

Takagi might think that Mashiro is ok with this, but who can say "No, I don't want you working on it" in front of the editor and the person who brought up the idea (Shiratori)? Mashiro was facing a difficult decision then and he didn't want to come off as selfish. Heck, if I was in that decision, I probably would of said ok too. Takagi should know what kind of person Mashiro is already since he's been with him for years. Can't he remember the line Mashiro said back in middle school: "I need you."
Because I certainly remember it.

I do not know what is happening with Takagi but I hope he picks up his act soon. (I ALSO WISH HE CAN DUMP SHIRATORI SO HE CAN GET BACK TO WORKING WITH MASHIRO. =_=) I also do not like the way he treats his wife. Their relationship doesn't have much development. I think Kaya could of done better.

To tell the truth, when I read that Iwase was in need of an artist to illustrate her work, I thought of Mashiro. Mashiro needs a writer and Iwase needs an author. A Mashiro/Iwase collaboration would of been awesome and surprising!

I never really thought of Nakai but I can tell where the idea is coming from. Nakai might really be invited back to the manga industry as Mashiro's assistant!

[kdowns]

I think the recent arguements between Shujin and Kaya will be implemented in a last minute addition to Saiko's oneshot I mean .... All relationships aren't perfect there is gonna be fighting.. So I think that will sorta "Spice" up the one shot.

[Reclaimer]

Takagi is too smart to be this stupid
Smart people can act very stupid, especially when they are so stubborn/arrogant enough to do something they should not to prove how smart/better they are than everyone else.



I have this gut feeling though that Takagi has a plan in this
That is giving Takagi way, way too much credit. Anyone even attempting to pull of some scheme in this situation would have to be certifiably insane. The stress from receiving the news of Shiratori quiting (and Takagi living with him for a period of time) would be stressful enough that even if Takagi showed up the next day with a masterpiece of a script for the one-shot and Nakai as a replacement assistant, Takagi would still be a douche for doing what he did.

[CBlitz]

oh my god, so much drama in this chapter >__>

oh well at least its manga-related so its still better than when they're mulling over romance and whatnot

[LJkAze]

Wow what change of senario; Tsugumi Ohba is a genius and he really fool all of us during these past chapter making Takagi a jackass. Man this manga is so good ^_^

[Drago]

Chapter 111 is out -->http://urupload.com/bakuman

Epic Chapter :D

[saladesu]

Chapter's out by IEM guys, discuss! :D

[Drago]

Awesome chapter now the misunderstanding over and also Takagi skill has author increased to new level i just cant wait for the next chapter

[Fê - forever alone]

As always, a pretty good chapter. I was suspicious, it was almost certain that Shuujin really had a master plan, he never stopped thinking about their partnership and he decided things the best way he thought he could solve. This just shows how talented he is, despite leaving Kaya neurotic and sad, but that's because she does not fully trust her husband yet, and has her normal doubts about life.

Working on Peace & Rabuta really improved Shuujin's skills, and now he should be in a genius level, perhaps can match up to Eiji? I think so, indeed, I believe so.

Yoshida and Hiramaru are always the funniest and the most desperate guys, I just love them! Let's see if he gets even a romantic encounter with Aoki and more than that, if he can conquer her for real. A positive point is that it she's very naive and can fall in his talk, lol.

Can not wait, I just can not wait for next one!

[saladesu]

I'm happy with this turn of events :3 I wasn't quite expecting it, but I'm happy it all worked out this way. I did mention in one of the previous chapter discussions that it might be a possibility that Shuujin might leave Shiratori to his own devices, but I think I forgot all of that when Shuujin appeared so cold/antagonistic to everybody last chapter. So like I said, this is a great turn of events that benefits everyone :D

I wonder though if Shuujin and Kaya will just make up so easily like that. Of course it would add more drama should Kaya still be peeved that Shuujin told her to mind her own business, but I think she might be past the angry stage already.

Yoshida is just awesome XD I love how he manipulates Hiramaru like that and tells all manners of lies to make him do what he wants him to do. He's a brilliant slave driver :XD

[-Ken-]

AWESOME chapter. I didn't expect the quarrel to be this short. This is truly a great surprise.

[Fê - forever alone]

This seems to imply that you think Kaya should have complete and absolute trust in everything Shuujin does. Him functionally telling her to piss off and him leaving without saying anything is more than any reasonable person can ask of a significant other.
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No, no, I mean she is different from Azuki that has full confidence in both of them, Kaya is still not "connected" to Shuujin. She has her mind and her way, Shuujin has his mind and his way. What is normal in a relationship, which I really meant is that she doesn't fully understand Shuujin, and vice versa. They should talk to each other and trust each other, but Kaya still seems to be insecure about Shuujin, and he can't undestand/sense/see her feelings. Saiko and Azuki seem to understand each other much better.

[natli]

I love this chapter :)

So Shujin did have a plan! And it was the obvious solution really >.> He just fooled us all. But I knew he was faithful to Ashirogi Muto :)

But I'm still saying he treated Kaya like sh*t. I loved his 'Sorry, I'm Back' routine with Saiko. He apologized, explained himself, told Saiko the only thing he cares about is their partnership, and all was right. But he should be doing this with his own wife! If he doesn't apologize, I smell trouble.

[Googlez_kun]

Hehe,this chapter filled my heart with joy!This chapter was great!Especially the last pages,which simply made my day.I was worried that they would split up,but this turn of events erased all my worries.I can't even really stop writing.Loved the chapter.I'm really looking forward to the next chapter.

[tobeulp]

I know that Shuujin just want to help Shiratori to be able to do Rabuta & Peace it is hinted many times last chapter that Shuujin isn't that suited for that kind of Story..
Now I think next chapter will be big if we could see the One shots of all of them...

[LeDuck]

I don't really get why it was necessary for Takagi to tell everyone to leave him alone, causing a lot of drama, while he could've said: "Hey guys, I'm just doing this, so he will learn it himself".
Doesn't make any sense to me.

Other than that, interesting chapter as usual, Hiramaru is still the best side character ever, the popularity contest didn't surprise me at all^^

[Magnus]

Wow wow I'm glad this case is over, it went faster than expected but it's all for the best. Ashirogi's OS will surely kick some butt. Now I hope this romance theme contest will lead to something for the main plot.

[Azgarath]

I think these few chapters will mark the failure of Shuujin's marriage in the future. I can see them almost having a divorce and Shuujin going emo mode just to show us readers that he does love his wife very much. That would be character development that looks like it was well planned out from a reader's point of view. After that he would regret and tell Saiko he should have taken it slow and respect Saiko's point of view on love. I can even see Saiko having love problems on his own and telling Shuujin that he`s the one who is right.

[saladesu]

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[Koen]

Thank you Sally, and you are right to level up other thread's activity by discussing the certain issues over there.

Regarding the chapter: I really didn't expect that Takagi was doing this for Mashiro and Ashirogi Muto. I liked this unexpected twist because it instantly killed my thread that I recently created :p I truly believed that things between Mashiro and Takagi weren't doing good to their (professional) friendship. But I have to say: when I saw that page in which Takagi was ordering Shiratori to change the story, etc then I started to have the feeling that he was educating latter one in story writing.

Anyway, it is good that our duo is back at full force. Miho was right when she said to Kaya that should believe in both of them.

[Marche]

Where is the chapter???
Can you give me the link.
Thanks.

[Googlez_kun]

Where is the chapter???
Can you give me the link.
Thanks.

Here you go:):
http://www.mangareader.net/bakuman/111

[sekida]

Just read sleepy fans version and their translation was far better than IEM. I suggest you guys to re-read it.

Anyway, it's funny how Ohba mislead us for hoping Nakai to comeback by foreshadowing him before. We hoped that he will be for Akina before. Last week, we hoped he will be switching Shiratori's place but what we got? the pedo-Katou. ha! She's 30ish now right?

Glad that shiratori arc is finally done. Can't wait to read more!

[Knifeshade]

What a nice ending, I'm not going to deny the little quarrel arc between the duo was boring though.

It felt like a mini filler the entire time, and it had no point other than dragging the story along its feet when they showed us the motivated group all ready to jump into the oneshot romance battle before it. Yeah, Shuujin might have become a better writer because of this but I feel like it could've been written better. The break-up and come back together has been played before (to a lesser extent) so that plot device isn't as good anymore.

[Reclaimer]

It felt like a mini filler the entire time, and it had no point other than dragging the story along its feet when they showed us the motivated group all ready to jump into the oneshot romance battle before it. Yeah, Shuujin might have become a better writer because of this but I feel like it could've been written better. The break-up and come back together has been played before (to a lesser extent) so that plot device isn't as good anymore.
So true.
A long term interesting conflict has been traded for a cheap moment which I felt absolutely nothing from.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm getting tired of every bad thing that happens to the characters being either:
A) Not their fault.
e.g.:
1) Trap cancellation due to Hiatus.
2) Tanto being forced upon them by Miura (I know, cue Chief Editor's speech, but still).
3) PCP not getting an Anime because of sponsors, not be cause it isn't good enough. (If it WAS good enough, someone would sponsor it, no matter how many complaints or lawsuits it receives.)
or
B) Ends up working out perfectly.
e.g.
1) Shuujin and Mashiro both indepently deciding to do a Mystery manga.
2) PCP getting started even though it was not judged to be as good as Crow.
3) A fight not being a fight, really a brilliant scheme by Shuujin. (If I was Mashiro, I'd tell him to piss off. Shuujin should have told him, and easily could have waited till the next serialization meeting to get Rabuta started)

I could probably add things like Kaya accepting Shuujin's proposal after he was talking to Aoki without her knowledge and maybe a few others to the latter, but I think my point is clear.

[saladesu]

Chapter 112 is out! Please discuss the chapter in this thread :amuse

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112 Spoilers! :amuse I have no idea about authenticity as it does sound a little suspect... :ninja

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59 ：名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2010/12/02(木) 19:52:05 ID:3AQ4uR1C0
サイコーとシュージンが公園で殴りあい　吉田さんも一瞬登場

Saikou and Shuujin punch each other in a park. Yoshida-san makes a brief appearance as well.


64 ：名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2010/12/03(金) 01:25:17 ID:S0J0oh6cO
とりあえずいつもの人が更新してた奴をコピペ

サイコーが「俺を殴ってくれ。
「恋太」やれって……やっぱり俺が間違ってたと思う」などと言い、どうせ殴るなら思いっきりやろうと公園で殴り合いをする。
白鳥は編集部にすごく心配されていたが、友達に漫画家志望がいるからその人にアシやってもらうことに決定。
他の漫画家達も読み切りの仕上げに入る。
秋名は八本木のキャラデザが気に入らず中井にお願いしたいというが、
港浦は八本木に修正してもらい八本木に描かせることにする。
そして見本誌のエイジの「LOVE力 A TO Z」を読むが、
シュージンの反応は「これ面白くないよな？」で終了

Saikou: Please punch me. In the end, I think it was wrong for me to do "Koita". Since you're going to punch me, let's go all out
So they go to a park and punch each other.
The editorial department is really worried about Shiratori, but he says that he has a friend who wants to become a mangaka, and it is decided that that person will become his assistant.
The other mangaka are also finishing up their one-shots.
Akina does not like Happongi's character designs, and says she would like to request for Nakai instead. However Miura decides to ask Happongi to revise them and let him continue providing the artwork.
And they get to read the sample magazine of Eiji's "LOVE Power A to Z", but Shuujin's reaction is "This isn't very interesting, is it?", and the chapter ends

[Drago]

Finally bakuman section have and spoiler and its seem this chapter is all about their misunderstanding

[saladesu]

Indeed! I am so happy to see that 2ch-ers have started to care more about Bakuman! :XD Though I must confess that this trend seems to have started a few weeks ago, but I neglected to check the Bakuman spoiler thread on 2ch so I didn't notice until now... :s

I'm intrigued by the fact that Shuujin says that Eiji's manga wasn't interesting. While I wasn't expecting Eiji's to be superbly magnificent or anything, I'm surprised that it's not even interesting to Shuujin. I'm wondering if Shuujin is judging it that way based on a benchmark he has for Eiji based on Crow, or if it really is that bad :/

And Saikou and Shuujin punching each other :o It seems like they both came to understand that they were both in the wrong in their own ways for doing things the way they did :)

[Reclaimer]

112 Spoilers! :amuse I have no idea about authenticity as it does sound a little suspect... :ninja

Verification:
Saikou and Shuujin punch each other in a park. Yoshida-san makes a brief appearance as well.

Saikou: Please punch me. In the end, I think it was wrong for me to do "Koita". Since you're going to punch me, let's go all out
So they go to a park and punch each other.

I can't imagine why you would question the accuracy of these spoilers [/sarcasm]

[p1xel]

Nice chapter,the ending was good.Finally they are together again,i`m happy that it ended like this.I hope he will tell Kaya about all this now:P
Can`t wait to see that Romance with new takagi scenario.

[TheMoa]

chapter 112 is out
http://urupload.com/bakuman/112/1

[saladesu]

I realised I mistook "Rabuta" for "Koita" because the normal reading for those kanji is the latter. I fail. I thought Koita was like the name of Saikou's one-shot :facepalm

Also, it looks like Hiramaru changed his title - it's "Boku ni wa Tsuujinai" (it doesn't get across to me) now instead. Though it still sounds like it's the Kimi ni Todoke parody.

I initially didn't think the punching each other thing was very in character, but actually seeing more of the context in the manga made it seem less out of character.

[TheMoa]

I hope that Takagi is right. I mean, Eiji have no love life or real personal relationships whatsoever... it would be strange if he could write a good love story just by being a genius. You don't have to live what you write, but you need a source of refference to put some thought on paper.

Still, I think that he can get good votes just by his name hype alone(this occurs in real life).

[Reclaimer]

It's nice how you can disappear for weeks without informing anyone and be immediately forgiven by your business partner who blames himself for your actions due to his passive aggressive behavior when put on the spot to answer a huge question and your wife who you told to mind her own business when asking questions about their livelihood which by definition is her business.
Oh, wait, that's not how things actually work out...


I initially didn't think the punching each other thing was very in character, but actually seeing more of the context in the manga made it seem less out of character.
Yes, this is true, but this also made it much, much worse.

[-Ken-]

Anyone else think that the art for this chapter is very strange?

[Fê - forever alone]

Uhmm, I can't say I actually liked this chapter, though it was one of the funniest I've been reading in a while. I don't know if I'm too dumb or something, but I do like this kind of humor, even when it's almost none, lol. I'm dumb or crazy, one of those, I'm sure, lol.

I put a lot of expectatives on this chapter, I was hoping to see Kaya and Shuujin solving their problem, at least some speech from one of them, I don't know, I was expecting something, anything from them, lol. Well, I won't complain about it, I'm not the writter, he writes what he thinks that would suits better his story.

Anyway, that fight was worth, they could go all out with their fists, they could expel their stress or any ressentiment they kept to themselves. It was a very weird scene, kind of funny too, but very weird. That's one of the interpretation I could have from this scene, later I could work on it a bit more. Not gonna happen I already know, lol.

And yeah, I think Eiji done a good love story, but not that good. Not Crow style. He lacks love experience, he should have only seen a couple on his parents and when he saw Saiko running away with Azuki. Well, his editor was kind concerned with his story, and now Shuujin said it's good, but not that good. I think it demonstrates how Shuujin has matured his author's skills, and even editor's skills.

It wasn't a "wow chapter", but at least it had a lot of humor. Yoshida and Hiramaru are the best, simply the best, I love them, lol.

[saladesu]

Anyone else think that the art for this chapter is very strange?

Interestingly, the people on 2ch think so too.

There's even speculation that Ohba-sensei is the one drawing the art now (or that s/he is beginning to take over from Obata-sensei. I don't know if anyone remembers the old speculation that Ohba-sensei is actually another mangaka, Gamou Hiroshi, using a penname. Gamou-sensei was a lot like Kawaguchi Tarou - not very good art but managed to survive with a semi-hit (also a gag manga iirc), then fell off the radar - which is why many people think he was in some sense writing an autobiography. So this "poor" art could possibly be Gamou/Ohba-sensei drawing...

Well, personally I didn't think it was that strange, and didn't look that different from the usual, but that could just be me ;)

[Knifeshade]

Anyone else think that the art for this chapter is very strange?
If you're talking about the quality, then yeah it looked a little flaky to me too. Especially the first half, couldn't make out some of their facial expressions properly.

I'm predicting that the top three will include Ashirogi Muto, Aoki, and Hiramaru. If my prediction comes true, I also predict Eiji to come in fourth.

I'm definitely not convinced Iwase will get first because, like I've said before, she's forcing herself to put out this story out of spite and even Miura said it's plain.
I can't imagine Fukuda coming in first because his oneshot is similar to Eiji's oneshot. In that both of their stories feel like the romance bit is the "extra" rather than main theme compared to the other stories.

e.g: using love as a form of power; definitely feels like an Eiji manga. Imagine Katekyo Hitman Reborn and instead of the vongola rings/gears you have "love".

Other than that, the other thing is those three are the ones who need something serialized as well so plot is sort of on their side. And I genuinely find their ones more interesting tbh. Shonen version of Kimi no Todoke, something similar to Pita-ten, and Bakuman within Bakuman? =/

[SHINOBI-03]

Anyone else think that the art for this chapter is very strange?

I was about to say this. It kinda looked off in the first six pages and I don't think the scanlation's quality helped that much.

Fukuda's story sounds clichéd and I don't think he would do good.

Will Nakai get back and work with Iwase?! I wish...

[Crude]

Did anyone get any serious Fight Club vibes when reading this chapter? I swear the punching scenes (including the dialog) really reminded me of the movie :D. Anyway I enjoyed this chapter, though I wish it had featured Shujin and Kaya making up. And I agree about the whole artwork thing, it really did seem off compared to the other chapters. The art in Bakuman has been getting a little weird lately...

[Arrogance]

HAHA, Iwase and Nakai. I've been wondering about this possibility for a while now. It definitely made sense since Iwase needs someone to draw here story. Once we heard that everyone was doing a love story and that she would need an artist, this possibility did come to mind. I'm happy to see it is working out :amuse.

And the cliffhanger of the chapter.....Eiji actually made something bad?!?!?!?! :o
I like the way things are heading now with the small conflict over between Takagi and Mashiro and now we can get back to concentrating on the Love Story competition once again.

[sir_arles]

I knew eiji's manga would suck XD

Nice chapter, I loved it

[Sherlock Holmes]

As for the drawing quality, you know, it would be interesting if Ohba was the one drawing while his partner was trying to get serialized with another manga. Or something similar. You know, it would fit the theme of the current arc.

[sekida]

I agree with the first half art quality being suck, it's like someone else draw it. not obata. there's a page there that it looks like 2D drawing.

[CBlitz]

Eiji's manga probably wasn't that good because it was too....cheesy? It sounded pretty naive when they summed it up, good romance usually has obstacles that the couple has to overcome. Because let's face it, love stories where everything works out/is too lovey-dovey aren't really that interesting

[Googlez_kun]

The art was very lacking in this chapter.It's not really that the drawings were strange,but it just lacked all the detail it had before.It seems kind of plain and half-assed.Knowing that Obata can do better pains me even more.

Other than that,the chapter still felt off,because of this weird argument between Saiko and Shuujin.Shuujin's last comment was interesting,though.Eiji's manga sounded great and judging by his success it just has to work.We'll see how Takagi will elaborate on that.

[saladesu]

Please note that we will now be using individual threads for each chapter's spoilers, which will subsequently be converted to a chapter discussion/predictions thread. There is no need to set up a new thread when scanlations appear, simply post in this thread :thumbs

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277 ：名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2010/12/09(木) 21:56:26 ID:i8K4X5u+0
バクマン。はエイジの漫画は喧嘩シーンは面白いが、恋愛漫画として期待して読むと面白いとは言えない。
恋の心情が描けていない。「LOVE力AtoZ」はその週のアンケートでも9位だった。蒼樹さんお読み切りの
「神様がくれた…」はその週のアンケートで2位。亜城木夢叶の「ささやかな時」はその週9位。平丸の
「僕には通じない」はその週で3位。結局最終のアンケート結果は以下の通り
1位：「神様がくれた…」蒼樹紅 259票
2位：「僕には通じない」平丸一也 188票
3位：「少年E少女B」新井貴作 172票
4位：「ささやかな時」亜城木夢叶 114票
5位：「LOVE力 A to Z」新妻エイジ 106票
6位：「殺意由意」福田真太 95票
7位：「4春期」秋名＋八本木 フキダシに隠れて票数不明

これからはPCPをやりながら少しでも上を目指せるように力を溜めておくことにした。「僕達21ですから」。
福田は結果にガッカリするが「ロードレーサーGIRI」のアニメ化が決定した。
一方、平丸と蒼樹さんはお茶会の日になった。両担当者も一緒に行く予定なのに蒼樹さんも平丸も
どちらも電話に出ない。吉田氏「行くぞ山久　これは事件だ！！」で終わり

The quarrel scene in Eiji's manga was interesting, but for someone who reads it expecting a romance manga, it couldn't be considered interesting.
The emotions of love were not portrayed. "LOVE Chikara A to Z" ranked #9 for the week it ran in. Aoki-san's one-shot "Kami-sama ga Kureta..." ranked #2 for the week it ran in. Ashirogi Muto's "Sasayaka na Toki" ranked #9 for the week it ran in. Hiramaru's "Boku ni wa Tsuujinai" ranked #3 for the week it ran in. In the end, the results are as follows:

#1 - "Kami-sama ga Kureta..." by Aoki Kou, 259 votes
#2 - "Boku ni wa Tsuujinai" by Hiramaru Kazuya, 188 votes
#3 - "Shounen E Shoujo B" by Arai Kisaku, 172 votes
#4 - "Sasayaka na Toki" by Ashirogi Muto, 114 votes
#5 - "LOVE Chikara A to Z" by Niizuma Eiji, 106 votes
#6 - "Satsui Yui" by Fukuda Shinta, 95 votes
#7 - "Shi Shunki" by Akina + Happongi, number of votes was blocked by speech bubble

They decide to continue doing PCP as they have been doing, and slowly improve as they aim ever higher. "Because we're already 21."
Fukuda is dejected at the results, but "Road Racer GIRI" has had an anime announced.
On the other hand, the day has come for Hiramaru and Aoki-san's tea party. Both their editors also are supposed to go along but neither Aoki-san or Hiramaru pick up their phones. Yoshida: "We've got to go, Yamahisa, this spells trouble!!" and the chapter ends.

Honestly, I'm quite shocked that Ashirogi lost this battle... How long more till they finally get a series that can get them an anime!? :o Well the good thing about this is that as long as this keeps up, Bakuman as a manga still has much life in it yet... :amuse

Poor Akina, I wonder how she feels about not only losing to Shuujin but even ranking the lowest out of them all :O

Also, I misread Ashirogi's oneshot title in my earlier posts about it, my apologies for that m(_ _)m

[Fê - forever alone]

Hiramaru is really good, isn't he? All he does turn out to be popular and people like it, though he doesn't, lol.

I was quite confident that Aoki would be at top 3, but I didn't expect her to win like that.

Ashirogi has still a long way to go, it seems. At least they were able to surpass Eiji this time, lol.

I too wonder how Akina must be feeling, she has a huge go****n ego, how would she react now? Hope they show her feelings and don't skip like they did with Kaya's marriage.

Is it time for Hiramaru finally, eeer, huh, you know?? Lol.

[Negative Syndicate]

I want to know how Niizuma feels about the result which is his lowest result. He seemed to have lots of confidence on that one shot.

[Wololo]

Honestly, I'm quite shocked that Ashirogi lost this battle... How long more till they finally get a series that can get them an anime!? :o Well the good thing about this is that as long as this keeps up, Bakuman as a manga still has much life in it yet... :amuse

Poor Akina, I wonder how she feels about not only losing to Shuujin but even ranking the lowest out of them all :O

Also, I misread Ashirogi's oneshot title in my earlier posts about it, my apologies for that m(_ _)m

Can't say I'm surprised they didn't win this one. A love story is clearly not up their alley, and in this case they practically copied Saikou's relationship. Which was pretty much doomed to fail from the start. Except for hopeless romantics no one can really identify with such a love story.

[Koen]

"Surpring" results. Well, Ashirogi finally beats Eiji and that is something they cling onto. I kinda agree with the people who say that some mangaka's reactions (Iwase, Eiji, Ashirogi and Hiramaru) should be plotted out. I couldn't believe my eyes if Eiji could live with this result. There has to be a dislike that he was beaten by several mangaka and especially his rival Ashirogi

[Reclaimer]

Well, Ashirogi finally beats Eiji and that is something they cling onto.
In something like this (not a direct competition, not inherently even playing field due to varying levels of quality of mangas between weeks) 8 votes is a meaningless difference. Claiming victory due to that small of a margin would be pathetic.

[Koen]

But if those 8 votes would decide about who got cancelled or not, the difference wouldn't be meaningless anymore. Ahead is ahead imo. I hope that they work something out like that

[Reclaimer]

But if those 8 votes would decide about who got cancelled or not, the difference wouldn't be meaningless anymore.
Seeing as the process is nothing like that, I'm not sure why you would mention that.

[fizban]

Super proud of Arai for beating Ashirogi AND Eiji. Totally knew he would do better than Fukuda and Iwase, but seeing him topple the genius of the series is a huge deal. Now he just needs to take down our favorite Otter and the lovely Aoki and all will be right with the world.

[sekida]

I think, Sasayaka na Toki fail because it isn't bakuman-ish yet. That couple needs one more plot, having dreams and (a ridiculous?) promise. =D

Looks like getting an anime is too far. But I still bet that PCP will get a movie adaptation first, then something like fans will demand an anime. Just like how Death Note got its success.

Movie 1 = June 17, 2006
Anime (start) = October 3, 2006
Movie 2 = November 3, 2006

[Reclaimer]

I think, Sasayaka na Toki fail because it isn't bakuman-ish yet. That couple needs one more plot, having dreams and (a ridiculous?) promise. =D
The fact that they don't talk to each other until the end of the one-shot but probably know with 100% certainty that they love each other sounds very Bakumanish.

[sekida]

The fact that they don't talk to each other until the end of the one-shot but probably know with 100% certainty that they love each other sounds very Bakumanish.

Let me rephrase, it isn't fully bakumanish yet because of the missing plot. Having them dreams to pursue it's what it makes interesting the most. Aren't we're hooked up in Bakuman because of that? :amuse

[saladesu]

Looks like getting an anime is too far. But I still bet that PCP will get a movie adaptation first, then something like fans will demand an anime. Just like how Death Note got its success.

Movie 1 = June 17, 2006
Anime (start) = October 3, 2006
Movie 2 = November 3, 2006

I got into Death Note because of the movie, so I'm not 100% sure about this, but judging from the dates of the Movie 1 and Anime, wouldn't they have been announced something like around Mid-2005 for the movie and early 2006 for the anime? Which would mean that the movie had done nothing yet to promote Death Note before it got an anime...?

Besides, even if fans demand an anime for PCP, would the editorial dept allow it when they would get complaints? :darn I mean, they already got offers from animation companies, and seeing how popular PCP is, it would obviously be a fairly popular anime as well... And yet they did not allow it :/ Thus, I'm still thinking they would most likely need to start another manga which will be turned into an anime...

[sekida]

wouldn't they have been announced something like around Mid-2005 for the movie and early 2006 for the anime? Which would mean that the movie had done nothing yet to promote Death Note before it got an anime...?
cant get info when the movie was announced but I googled the anime and found out that:

- DN anime was announced around April 30, 2006/May 1, 2006 (early spoilers I guess). source - posted date (http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?t=61639)

- The anime announcement is in their last chapter. raw scan (http://www.mangareader.net/113-4124-1/death-note/chapter-108.html)

- DN manga ended around May 2006 according to wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Note)

Wow, that's a fact now right? that the first movie was aired first before the announcement of anime. I'm guessing that in between them, they are getting sponsors to air the anime which was Hattori said that they are not getting sponsors for PCP that's why it might not get an anime.

I'm much confident now that PCP will take that same route as well. ^^

[Fê - forever alone]

Chapter is out:

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[SHINOBI-03]

HOT DAMN!! Niizuma, Iwase and Ashirogi are all in the last places!!

And Fukuda actually won something! 8D

[Reclaimer]

Besides, even if fans demand an anime for PCP, would the editorial dept allow it when they would get complaints? :darn I mean, they already got offers from animation companies, and seeing how popular PCP is, it would obviously be a fairly popular anime as well... And yet they did not allow it :/ Thus, I'm still thinking they would most likely need to start another manga which will be turned into an anime...
If it was popular enough, it would be made into an anime REGARDLESS of how many complaints they might receive. They would be much better served by trying to get it there rather than giving up at the first sign of adversity and trying something else.

[saladesu]

Chapter has been scanlated and can be discussed

[tobeulp]

Love this chapter specially with Aoki and Hiramura around ^^

[Reclaimer]

The Aoki/Hiramaru situation at the end of the chapter has the potential to be the most interesting development in the manga in a long, long time.

I'd worry that them having a relationship would ruin the Hiramaru/Yoshida dynamic that is the source of most of the comedy in Bakuman, but Hiramaru could still be begging Yoshida for relationship advice.

[Googlez_kun]

I loved this chapter.It felt like a breath of fresh air,which was heavily needed.I've had enough drama and tragedy for now.The love battle feels kinda pointless.They made such a big fuss about it and the only result is that Ashirogi Muto is not rushing things anymore,which is not really enough for me,but still a nice improvement.The new developement between Ko and Hiramaru is intriging me.I hope Hiramaru just went to Ko and left the city to live together somewhere else with no stress......or she killed him because he molested her:XD
Looking forward to the next chapter.

[Reclaimer]

The new developement between Ko and Hiramaru is intriging me.I hope Hiramaru just went to Ko and left the city to live together somewhere else with no stress......or she killed him because he molested her:XD
Neither of those would provide us with continued humor (at Hiramaru's expense, of course). =C

[fizban]

It's kind of a shame we saw none of Arai's work. We know it is a romantic comedy, since he mentioned he used to do them, but you kind of want to know more about a series that manages to beat the lead characters. Even a quick look at the art would be nice.

Kind of proud of the boys for finally being calm and collected when it comes to getting an anime. Saiko and Azuki strike me as the type to have several hundred kids, and you don't want to juggle raising them with your career when it is still at an early stage.

Iwase kind of got a raw deal. She knows nothing about manga, got partnered with a perverted artist, and was placed in an issue with new series. There was absolutely no way she could was going to place higher than she did.

[Reclaimer]

Iwase kind of got a raw deal. She knows nothing about manga, got partnered with a perverted artist, and was placed in an issue with new series. There was absolutely no way she could was going to place higher than she did.
They did ask the readers to rank them at the end of the contest, so the new series issue is overstated.

[fizban]

They did ask the readers to rank them at the end of the contest, so the new series issue is overstated.

Even with that, you'd be surprised at the impact the issue itself can have on her ranking in the contest. Think about a really good week in Jump. Maybe One Piece gets an awesome color spread, something happens in Bleach (pretend), and a new series starts that shows promise of lasting more than 20 chapters. Sets the bar kind of high. Now throw in a one shot that is, from what we've seen in the past few chapters, kind of sub-par. What would seem bad will come off as even worse when you see so many other good things being done. The fact that the one-shot is romance and the others are action won't even mean that much. You can only get one chance to make a first impression on the audience; Iwase just happened to make a bad one.

What makes it harder on her is that this is a contest for already-popular writers. She has one of the most popular series running in Jump right now, so people will see +Natural and her romance story in the same issue and look down on it even more because they can see that her talents lie elsewhere.

Then it comes time to vote. I think it'd be fair to say that the readers read each of the chapters when they got the respective issues of Jump. This is when first-impressions come into play. People have this weird urge to be right. If they remember hating a series and they re-read it a few weeks later, they're going to focus on the negatives and decide that they were right to feel that way. The same thing goes for something they liked; the rankings in each issue seemed to match up with their actual placement in the contest, so you can see how people went along with their initial feelings.

Like I said before, I don't think Iwase was going to win either way. Her ideas of love tend to fall on the crazy side, you know? It would have been neat to see how Ashirogi reacted to whatever sick thing she wrote.

UNRELATED NOTE - I felt bad for Eiji. He seemed pretty upset at his first real failure. Yuujiro should have stayed behind and given him some wicked bro hugs.

[Koen]

Cool chapter. The loves festa wasn't worked out in details unlike I expected it to be. This arc was eventually used in order to Ashirogi Mutou would focus on PcP and leave the serialization of a manga, which is worth to be animated, for what it is at this moment.

Our duo is back at full force and determined to beat Crow and Eiji. I am glad they haven't forgotten their nemesis.

I liked the ending a lot. Hiramaru and Aoi? Yoshida doesn't like that idea for sure :XD

[saladesu]

I agree with fizban. Although an overall voting at the end would reduce the bias somewhat, I don't think it would eliminate it entirely.

I wonder if Eiji's failure will spur him to work even harder now. I mean, although CROW and +Natural are still doing well, he may be galvanised by this failure (it would fit his character imo) to up his game even more. This will also raise the bar for Ashirogi Muto as they still see Eiji as a rival they have to beat. Likewise for Akina, so +Natural might become even more formidable competition.

I'm looking forward to see exactly why Hiramaru and Aoki are up to. I'm expecting funny stuff when Yoshida finds Hiramaru :p

[saladesu]

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[LazyOtter]

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吉田は平丸を止めるため、平丸をバイクで追いかけることに。
平丸のポルシェの位置をGPSで把握し追いかける。
しかし、平丸は福田のアシスタントに、ポルシェを10万で一日中ドライブさせて、そして勘違いしている吉田を出し抜こうとする。
福田組がサイコー達にも連絡。
サイコー達は平丸が心中するのではないかと勘違いしてしまい、平丸を捜索することに。
サイコー達とエイジはこの間の読み切りで平丸と蒼樹の二人でデートは青山でというフレーズがあることに気がつき、吉田に連絡してから青山に向かうことに。
平丸と蒼樹は二人でカフェでゆったりしていた。
しかし二人は吉田に見つかり、蒼樹は恋愛ドラマの主人公のようで良いと言いながら二人は逃げる。
吉田は平丸を天才だと褒め、もし漫画家ではなければ蒼樹と手をつないで逃げることはできたか？と必死に説得。
しかし、平丸は仕事と恋をごっちゃにするのはやめてほしい、人の恋心を利用するなと反発。
皆に追いついたサイコー達。福田が平丸の告白の後押しをする。
そして平丸が泣きながら蒼樹に告白！
平丸「初めて会った時、綺麗な人だ！好きだ！って思いました。付き合ってください！」
なんと・・・！
蒼樹「はい。私からもお願いします。今日とても楽しかったです。また今日みたいに会ってください。でもマンガもちゃんと描いてください。約束ですよ。」

My Japanese is not great, but as far as I get it, Hiramaru confesses to Aoki in this chapter, and... she takes it pretty well?

[Whale88]

Hmmm, if I've got it right, she actually agreed to start going out with him, but as well asked him to continue drawing manga. He wanted to quit manga, because mixing work and love together is wrong, or something like that.

And Yoshida chased Hiramaru's Porsche on bike, not knowing that Hiramaru gave Porshe to Fukuda (to deceive Yoshida). Omg, that's just hilarious. xDD I never get tired of their relationship.

[LazyOtter]

Thanks! ...why do I have a feeling that Aoki is just as evil as Yoshida somewhere deep inside?

[TwEeD]

Thanks! ...why do I have a feeling that Aoki is just as evil as Yoshida somewhere deep inside?

I think she's carrying out Yoshida's requests, as Hiramaru is getting harder to manipulate Yoshida has to take it to a new level a.k.a. getting Aoki to cooperate on his schemes. What would be in it for her seems a bit of a mystery atm but surely the author's could come up with enough plausible plots

If this would be true I think we would get tons of hilarious situations with those two where she will keep on evading anything truly relationship like/physical contact all while manipulating Hiramaru to do his job properly
She'll probably would start to enjoy being the one in control and get over her hate of men...
(...and maybe in the end even honestly fall in love with him! Now that would truly be the birth of one unusual couple lol)

[Reclaimer]

I think she's carrying out Yoshida's requests, as Hiramaru is getting harder to manipulate Yoshida has to take it to a new level a.k.a. getting Aoki to cooperate on his schemes.
This seems unlikely for a few reasons:
1) Yoshida's reaction to the inability to call them. If it was part of a scheme, why would he worry over what was happening?
2) I don't think Aoki is a bitch, and doing this would be a bitch move.

[Whale88]

...well, because she is a bit evil? xDDDDDDDDDDD

Arrrr, when Hiramaru's confession was okayed, he just jumped to Yoshida. xDDDD I love the man. xD

[Fê - forever alone]

Oh my god! I loved it, I just loved it! I couldn't hold my laugh reading this. Really, I couldn't. This chapter was too d*** hilarious. They all exaggerated things, I don't know why, but it was so funny.

Hiramaru would force Aoki to commit a double suicide?! Man, maybe I'm a dumb and simplist one, but I really laughed, lol.

Well, things went too easily - as usual - but I enjoyed. Now, I wonder how Yoshida-shi will manipulate Hiramaru? Nah, I can think somethings by myself, lol.

Longing for the next one.

[Koen]

NOTE: NO SHOUNEN JUMP THIS WEEK, SO NO BAKUMAN EITHER. EXPECT THE NEXT BAKUMAN ON 4TH JANUARY 2011 (aka spoilers should be out around 30~31 Dec 2010)

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[Steffan]

Well, things went too easily - as usual - but I enjoyed. Now, I wonder how Yoshida-shi will manipulate Hiramaru? Nah, I can think somethings by myself, lol.

Longing for the next one.

Yoshida won't have to force Hiramaru after this, he'll become motivated to work hard so he can go on more dates with Aoki and so that she'll admire him more because he's such a hard worker.:tem
Sounds pretty Bakuman-ish, no?

[DidCart]

Wow! What a great chapter this was. Really! I laughed a lot while reading it. I simply love Hiramaru and the reactions of the other mangaka when they received the news were pretty funny as well! In the end, great chapter!

[Negative Syndicate]

I think the author gives Hiramaru's own chapter because he is one of most popular characters in Bakuman. I really like his characteristic.

After I read this chapter, I wonder how Nakai going to react at this news.

[Tias]

I think the author gives Hiramaru's own chapter because he is one of most popular characters in Bakuman. I really like his characteristic.

After I read this chapter, I wonder how Nakai going to react at this news.

Well Nakai basicly got over her.
And let's not forget, uh, whats her name again?

you know, the one who wants Nakai as her partner now, cause she heard he was weak against beautiful girls.
I can seriously see those two together, as a crack pairing xD

But i really loved this chapter, it was just so great. I like Hiramura so much more now, and i'm really happy the way the chapter turned out xD (i however thought that something might have happend between her and fukuda)

But yeah, i really hope Aoki and hiramura's relationship is something that will last and not just something thats a short while

Oh and something else, what i find really hilarious is that Yoshida has hiramuras car on gps xD
tracking his every move, lololol xD

[tobeulp]

Nice chapter I love chapters that have hiramaru and aoki on them they make Bakuman more and more great

[Reclaimer]

I think she's carrying out Yoshida's requests, as Hiramaru is getting harder to manipulate Yoshida has to take it to a new level a.k.a. getting Aoki to cooperate on his schemes. What would be in it for her seems a bit of a mystery atm but surely the author's could come up with enough plausible plots
After reading the chapter:
Absolutely not. She wasn't acting anything like you would expect if this was the case. Just track her facial expressions.

[-Ken-]

Sweet chapter. I like it a lot. I don't expect Aoki to have a boyfriend, through.

Here's my thought

-If Hiramuru confess to someone, that person got to say yes.
-Aoki probably going to stay single

But I guess my second point is wrong.

[Magnus]

Breathtaking chapter, best one I've seen on a long while. It even seemed to me like those Death Note action-pursuit scenes when someone is being chased. And I loved how Hiramaru finally rebelled against Yoshida, he even looked seriously badass at some moments, like most bishies do, aside from being the one who always makes funny and hilarious faces. He totally deserved no to be turned down. Congrats man.

[Fê - forever alone]

Yoshida won't have to force Hiramaru after this, he'll become motivated to work hard so he can go on more dates with Aoki and so that she'll admire him more because he's such a hard worker.
Sounds pretty Bakuman-ish, no?
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I'm not so sure. lol. I think Hiramaru will be much more manipulated now, not only by Yoshida-shi, but by Aoki as well. If he starts to get lazy, now would be much more easier to manipulate him. I can think of some weird scenes for that, but don't ask me to spit out of my weird mind, lol.

By the way, I can't wait to see Hiramaru and Yoshida on the anime, Eiji is so funny, I can't imagine how they are going to be.

[Quaro1987]

Eiji is so funny, I can't imagine how they are going to be.

Actually the way they had Eiji turn down the music, was really lame. It didn't look like his signature way of doing things, and more like how anyone would try to turn off something behind their backs without turning.

[natli]

This was the best chapter since the beginning of Bakuman :D Hiramaru The Househusband. Yoshida on Harley Davidson. Yoshida acknowledging Eiji as the final authority. Hiramaru wearing the Otter11 tie. Hiramaru being cool and manly and Yoshida being honest. And a charmed Aoki <3

Ah! I got it! Ohba and Obata did a love one-shot! :D

[Tias]

Hiramura certainly does seem to have a good condition.
Aoki and Yoshida both seem to be out of air from all the running while he's still fine =D

aaaah, i can't stop reading the last chapter, seriously, it's just so awesome xD

Obviously Hiramura will be working a lot harder now, but i can still imagine he'll be manipulated by getting advice on relationships.
I dunno, i mean it seems like most of the characters havn't dated people.
I can imagine hiramura never having dated anyone before and Aoki being the first person or something along those lines.
So if thats the case, advice for his relation most likely.

Either way i'm fine if he won't get manipulated anymore, just a bit sad since it was so hilarious, but i guess it's all also been kind of a build up for this moment that will change him =D

[Koen]

I agree with the people who say that this might be bakuman's best chapter. This chapter was very great. The mix of seriousness, drama, love, comedy, etc was complete. The protagonists in this chapter have shown why they had great results in the latest character popularity contest. I think that our duo had this in mind when they decided to dedicate this chapter to Yoshida and Hiramaru.

Hiramaru was determined and he was very cunning and I think that yoshida never expected this. This was a total surprise. It was very funny how obvious the place of meeting was referred in their one shots, how could everyone overlook that :rofl

I found the scene in which Hiramaru was standing on a bridge while Yoshida was trying to convince him, black comedy at its best that I have read in shounen manga. That scene, the dialogue, the details: I experienced both laughter and discomfort, sometimes simultaneously. Great work.

[fizban]

Loved every second of this chapter. I think part of the reason for it is that Ashirogi themselves were barely present in it. Maybe it is just me, but they haven't been super interesting since PCP managed to beat +Natural. Hiramaru, on the other hand, is always great. And it was sweet seeing Aoki, who writes a lot of romance but hasn't had much experience, actually get to live out a bit of the drama of one of her romance stories.

Did True Human get cut at some point? I feel like we haven't heard from that guy in a while and he was kind of fun.

[saladesu]

Isn't it ironic that what some people label Bakuman's best chapter hardly has any appearances from its main duo...? :darn But nevertheless, I do have to agree with this sentiment. A great chapter, had me laughing out loud almost every page :XD

Hiramaru is such a cunning guy - he preempted Yoshida so many times, even the car GPS thing! :rofl I could definitely see either one of our new Bakuman couple adding a similar situation to one of their manga, or at least the romance aspects of their manga improving if nothing else. And was it just a coincidence that Aoyama was mentioned in both Hiramaru and Aoki's one-shots?

[Zuriel]

It's so perfectly manga-like that through the course of a chapter like this with one of the most outrageous situations, that they wind up going on a ad-libbed date so he can ask her to go out with him. The satirical drama with his editor just makes it absolutely perfect.

I also like Hira's use of money for the sake of succeeding, he sells his one car for 100,000 yen and then buys a new one just to ditch it. Classic.

[Reclaimer]

I think part of the reason for it is that Ashirogi themselves were barely present in it. Maybe it is just me, but they haven't been super interesting since PCP managed to beat +Natural.
It doesn't help when huge amounts of potential drama were sacrificed with no tangible return.

I actually wonder whether there is anything interesting left to happen with them.
-The day to day struggles and the fight for rankings can never come back because they've been ignored for so long. That means no cancellation drama. Not even any victory celebrations.
-The struggle to get a second series serialized wouldn't be interesting.
-Anime? Out of their hands, so not very interesting.
-Interpersonal struggles? Not after saying no to the Shiratori induced set-up.

The only things I can come up require an external source. And you know what, once you are at that stage, you're done. You really are.

[javimgol]

Legendary chapter, as everyone said
I still can't believe why Saiko got more votes than Hiramaru in the Character Rankings

[saladesu]

You may discuss the character popularity poll results in this thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63994) :amuse Posts regarding it have been moved over there.

Also, in response to Reclaimer, I have to say I agree. I kinda feel like things are getting a little stale (not to say this chapter wasn't hilariously epic) with the overarching plot. Do you think the manga is getting a little repetitive? (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46931) :s

[fizban]

I don't know why, but when I was re-reading the chapter the stuff where Hiramaru was trying to evade Yoshida was reminding me of Lupin the 3rd. Trying to outwit each other in a comical fashion and all that. Love it.

Fukuda needed to show up with a sword though.

[Knifeshade]

Actually the way they had Eiji turn down the music, was really lame. It didn't look like his signature way of doing things, and more like how anyone would try to turn off something behind their backs without turning.I think it's a sign that he's growing. His failed one-shot was probably a wake up call, and let's be honest, Eiji's due for some sort of character development. He's just been genius, genius, genius, and more genius.

Was re-reading the chapter again as well (I guess second time's best???) and you start to appreciate the bridge scene more. Am generally curious if it means Hiramaru will geniunely work hard now. If not for himself, then for Aoki.

[saladesu]

I agree with everything you said. Eiji definitely needs some development. He's been eccentric and funny and people love him for that, but other than that he's a shallow character with no depth. I would love to see more of how he'll react to this failure. I'm sure it will spur him on to work harder, but I also hope there'll be a little more than something simple like that.

And yes, it'd be nice if Hiramaru did work harder now for both his and Aoki's sake. Maybe Yoshida can say something like "you need to have a stable income to support Aoki-san! You must get serialised" :XD

[Newkerzy]

^Prediction of Yoshida's words: SO TRUE!! XD

[suicune123]

Wasn't Eiji supposed to play a villainous role in the manga when he declared he would want the authority to cancel one series he didn't like? I like Eiji in that he is so devoted to writing manga and this contrasts a lot to the way Ashirogi work.

[p1xel]

EPIC chapter. Whole chapter was awesome. One of the best Bakuman chapters IMO.
Finally Hiramaru did what he wanted. It was a great fun to see him being manipulated by Yoshida, but he deserved that serious chapter. Can`t wait for next epic chapter like this:)

[saladesu]

Verification: pending
Source: 2ch
Credits:

遅くなってスマソ
道端で拾った紙切れを簡単に
っていってもあんま中身ないけど

この後PCPをどうしていきたいのかの議論
シュージンは邪道のバトルもの、といっても暴力がない心理戦のバトルものにしたがっていた
いっぽう、編集部への投稿で何話分も持ち込んだつわものが
サイコーは酷評するが、シュージンはその投稿の内容が自分が展開したいストーリーに似ていた
ストーリーの路線の波長があっていたことからその投稿を参考にしてシュージンが話を作ろうとするところで終わり

962 ：名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2010/12/28(火) 00:13:37 ID:WaXmX5RO0
あまりの内容だったがじゃあこれも本バレなんだな

今後の方針を話し合う。シュージンは「邪道バトル」シリアスな笑いを入れ特殊能力や技を出さない邪道バトル
殴る蹴るがない心理バトルを目指すという。
一方、編集部のトレジャーに10話分もの原稿を投稿してきた者がいて編集部はその話題で持ちきりだった。
服部さんがその原稿をサイコー達に渡す。
内容は「エニグマにそっくりじゃん　ダメだろこれ…」とサイコーが第一印象で語るが
シュージンがやりたかった邪道バトルものそのものだった。
その漫画の内容は、
教室に閉じこめられて謎の「カミ」の1stゲームがはじまり、生き残った1人だけが教室から出られるというもの。
本心にもないことを言うと風船がはじけるように消えて死んでしまう。
「お…俺がやりたかったの　こういうのかもしれない」「あっそうか…邪道の心理バトル…」



969 ：名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2010/12/28(火) 01:56:09 ID:GMmIf0lEO
バレブログから転載
PCPは連載50回超えたので連載表彰式参加してた。そこで平丸はラッコが200回超えてたから登場。顔にやついてて上機嫌だった

つかエニ熊は未来日記とエルフェンリートのパクリとあれほど(ry)
未来日記は来年アニメ化だしエニ熊詰んだだろ





Having some problems copying and pasting properly on an iPod touch so pardon weirdness in formatting.

It's not very convenient for me to translate right now, and no time either, will translate later if the chapter isn't out by then and if my next hotel has free wifi (on vacation now). :)

Edit:
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Source: 2ch, MH
Credits: saladesu

the first 2 support each other in that the duo discuss what to do with PCP and supposedly shuujin is writing a new battle manga about heretics and special powers etc, and saikou actually says it's 'similar to Enigma' which strikes me as a little odd. The last One says PCP is past 50 chapters so there is some sort of commendation ceremony. hiramaru also appears because otter got past 200 chapters. Which is true, I don't know ~.~

[Fê - forever alone]

So, in short words, it will be more of the same?

Well, I don't complain about it, but I really think that Bakuman needs some new things, the story is quite stabilized, and almost stopped. I mean, we do need something more to happen.

[Tias]

So, in short words, it will be more of the same?

Well, I don't complain about it, but I really think that Bakuman needs some new things, the story is quite stabilized, and almost stopped. I mean, we do need something more to happen.

True enough.
It's just going to be the same old same with their struggles to beat crow and yadda yadda.

I would like to see some kind of "hot spring vacation" for all of the mangakas =D
Would make for a lot of comedy and fun
But the chances for that would be really low, but would still make for a few good chapters i bet.

[saladesu]

Please discuss the repetitiveness of Bakuman in this thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46931).

Anyway, it appears that the third spoiler is most likely the real one. It is so short my summary in brief I added in the initial post already covers what happens. The only line I left out just said hiramaru was in an awesome mood (obviously something to do with Aoki lol).

Also note that there won't likely be Jump and therefore no Bakuman for 2 weeks hereafter. Since this issue is out early, the two spaced-out one-week breaks have become a long two-week break D:

[sekida]

Chapter 115 out by IEATSOUL, read it here! (http://urupload.com/Bakuman)

[Newkerzy]

WOW, very epic chapter!! so intense!!! (only because of the newcomer) Hopefully Enigma can do better. I'm thinking this chapter felt like a challenge from Ohba to Sakaki-sensei to up her game or else Ohba will try to beat Enigma by making a one-shot with the same premise or story.

[fizban]

Wow, that bit of the new manga we read was super intense. I want more of it right now (and I'd like to read more Enigma so that manga needs to start doing 5 chapters an issue). I started reading Aphorism today too so I'm kind of all about the manga with students suddenly being put in a survival situation and getting killed off left and right.

Enigma must be way more popular than I thought. I know it has been ranking super high every week, and has a few color pages, but the people in Bakuman usually only talk about super famous series or ones that aren't going anywhere any time soon.

Loved the page with their photograph and all the memories behind it. There were quite a few powerful scenes during the PCP arc.

So I guess Jump must really send flowers to loved ones/family of their established authors. How nice. There are times when the editorial staff in this series has been painted as kind of manipulative or even detrimental to the authors creativity, so it was nice to see them doing little things like this to show their appreciation. Good to know the actual authors haven't forgotten about Takahama either.

[Newkerzy]

Am I the only one who thought the editors' reaction to the new manga is almost the same how they reacted to Enigma?? I guess it must have been quite the controversy around them. And maybe Usuta had something to do with it??

[tobeulp]

Well I didn't yet read Enigma seeing that Bakuman had mention it I will start on it ^^..
Well a new villain/character coming is expected.
Takagi should just create a Death Note 2 manga then it will surely be serialized and have an Anime in an instant lol :)

[R4n]

Since other people already talked about Enigma i will not say anything about it. :D
If you all want to read more Survival manga where the students got killed left and right, i will recommend Di[e]ce. But please keep it in mind that it is an action shoujo manga, so the males here please don't complain about the bishounens. :D

Regarding this chapter, i am slightly upset Shujin left his wife alone at home. Really! i was expecting husband to take the spouse to social gatherings like that. Especially because Kaya had been supporting Ashirogi Muto for a long time. I feel sad seeing Kaya eat alone at home :notrust

[sekida]

The setting is like the movie "Saw".

Just read the chapter 1 of Enigma. They really have same settings but in Enigma, the characters have supernatural powers and not psychological battle. I like the new manga in Bakuman over it though. I'm jealous, I wish I can read those 10 chapters too.

So, what will Ashirogi Muto do? Come up a story that has plot already laid out with an ending in their minds then finish PCP? The manga they always do until now doesn't have definite ending.

[natli]

Wow, what a great first chapter, I would definitely read this. Ohba is showing other mangakas that he can think up a new manga in his sleep. Maybe after Bakuman is over they will pick up one of those one-shots...!

[Reclaimer]

First off, I don't think the Enigma comparison is valid, other than the setting. Tonally, and plot wise, they are nothing alike.

Secondly, the use of "morally ambiguous" and "lie" are problematic. This could be due to translation issues, or just poor word choice by the authors.
-There is nothing morally ambiguous about a zero-sum situation. The main character either tries to "win" or channels Liar Game. (i.e. Depraved or Righteous) The only way I can imagine a morally ambiguous story is if the narrator/main character is more an observer than an active participant.
-The definition of the word lie is complicated (that is a huge understatement. Seriously. Don't even begin to argue differently.), but it is debatable whether you define what either of the two characters did as "lies".

The only way you can is if you define all forms of manipulation as lying, and not always disclosing all facts that might be pertinent as manipulation. I can understand that, but I think it is overly simplistic.


Overall, a decent chapter, but not the direction I would have gone. Supposing they compete for a serialization spot, how is that any different than the mini-competition with True Human?

And what is with all the people trying to start non-Jump series in Jump? In real life, pretty much everything new that looks interesting (i.e. not Jump-esque) in Jump devolves into Jump-esque eventually (e.g. Psyren being something of a Gantz clone, devolving into a Jump series. Enigma looks like it is starting to go that way.)

[suicune123]

It's manga, not 18th century text you need to analyse and interpret.

Is it so hard to just enjoy reading the manga without critiquing it somehow?

[natli]

@Reclaimer
I've just read the first chapter of Enigma. There are no similarities so far. Maybe later on in the manga...
As for the definition of lie in this new one-shot, it's very broad, and this makes me happy cause it's sticks closer to ethics. It something like this: "Lying is saying something other than what you're thinking." On one hand, it does not allow manipulation of truth but it's terrifying if you think about it. How would the world look like with such a rule? Damn, I really want to read this manga....

[perroloco]

In page 3 where they show silhouetes of Shonen heroes I pretty much think they are Seiya, Goku *In SSJ form*, Kenshiro and Kenshin.. Who might the first sihouete be??

[MCCmonkey]

the similarities of enigma and the new work are justo un the page qhere they mentioned enigma, being trapped in the school with a mysterios voice telling you that you are participatiing in a survival game, and the fact that the doors wont open and the windows wont break

[Reclaimer]

It's manga, not 18th century text you need to analyse and interpret.

Is it so hard to just enjoy reading the manga without critiquing it somehow?
Yes, especially when it is receiving praise I think is undeserved.

For example, could the manga shown be good? Maybe, but it is not particularly unique and the premise has problems. Does this effect Bakuman seeing as this is merely a series in the manga? Actually, yes, yes it does. If I'm told something is wonderful and I see it and it isn't, the manga loses credibility. (You ever wonder why we have almost never seen Crow?)


the similarities of enigma and the new work are justo un the page qhere they mentioned enigma, being trapped in the school with a mysterios voice telling you that you are participatiing in a survival game, and the fact that the doors wont open and the windows wont break
Yeah, basically the setting.

[saladesu]

This manga does bear some similarities to Enigma, but Enigma has no moral battles per se. I'd say the setting is a bit like Enigma, but the moral battle aspect is definitely more like Death Note. I mean, the ethics of killing criminals and taking the law upon oneself is rather gray an area. I kinda like that Ohba is indirectly making a reference to his or her past work once again.

Rather than starting a new manga, I wonder if it would be possible for Shuujin to tweak PCP slightly to add in these moral battles he has in mind. Sure the PCP characters are what, middle schoolers? But they will grow older, no? :p In all actuality PCP does not sound that exciting and I think adding moral battles to it would be a nice level up in my opinion. I'd much rather them not start a new manga all over again, and work with what they already have.

[Jaymie]

I think I know where this chapter came from. It's all meta.

Ohba wanted to write a story like Enigma, but then Enigma came up. So he decided to write about his real-life experience in Bakuman, and he added an Enigma reference just because.

[Reclaimer]

This manga does bear some similarities to Enigma, but Enigma has no moral battles per se. I'd say the setting is a bit like Enigma, but the moral battle aspect is definitely more like Death Note. I mean, the ethics of killing criminals and taking the law upon oneself is rather gray an area. I kinda like that Ohba is indirectly making a reference to his or her past work once again.
Death Note might have started out in a gray area, but it didn't finish there, and I don't think that is debatable. (I'm not saying that to be an ass. No code of morality allows for certain things that I won't mention because they are major plot spoilers.)



Rather than starting a new manga, I wonder if it would be possible for Shuujin to tweak PCP slightly to add in these moral battles he has in mind. Sure the PCP characters are what, middle schoolers? But they will grow older, no? :p In all actuality PCP does not sound that exciting and I think adding moral battles to it would be a nice level up in my opinion. I'd much rather them not start a new manga all over again, and work with what they already have.
Isn't PCP already morally ambiguous? They commit pranks that while not harming anyone, disrupt things. They aren't doing good, nor are they really doing bad. They are doing things that are morally ambiguous.

And anyway, isn't the moral ambiguity of PCP what is preventing it from getting an anime? Why do they think a morally ambiguous battle manga would be any better in regards to an anime? I would think it would be much, much, much worse.

[sekida]

Sleepy Fans version now out! (http://sleepyfansscans.blogspot.com/2010/12/happy-new-year.html#comments) You guys should re-read this chapter again! Happy New Year!

[Reclaimer]

Sleepy Fans version now out! (http://sleepyfansscans.blogspot.com/2010/12/happy-new-year.html#comments) You guys should re-read this chapter again!
Hmmm... I haven't re-read it yet, but the one thing I checked made more since as a translation.

[saladesu]

Death Note might have started out in a gray area, but it didn't finish there, and I don't think that is debatable. (I'm not saying that to be an ass. No code of morality allows for certain things that I won't mention because they are major plot spoilers.)


Isn't PCP already morally ambiguous? They commit pranks that while not harming anyone, disrupt things. They aren't doing good, nor are they really doing bad. They are doing things that are morally ambiguous.

And anyway, isn't the moral ambiguity of PCP what is preventing it from getting an anime? Why do they think a morally ambiguous battle manga would be any better in regards to an anime? I would think it would be much, much, much worse.

I agree with you about Death Note. The different direction the story took ruined it IMO. Anyway, in my previous post I was referring to more about the premise in general :)

Hmm yes you are right, PCP is morally ambiguous, but not very, IMO. I think the main issue is more about the fact that it is young kids doing those pranks, and that young kids might imitate them, that is preventing them from getting an anime. If they up the level of their "pranks" it may increase the breadth of their readership and if the pranks are not the kind that kids woukd copy, maybe there migt be more chance for an anime. But then again, alienating their main fanbase (and the majority of Jump's readership) may not be too smart either. Especially if they are so concerned with rankings. A manga like Nurarihyon no Mago which does well in sales but poorly in the rankings (due to the main readership not actually buying the magazine) would not be quite what they want either. I believe Death Note was in a similar position as well, not faring spectacularly well on rankings but still becoming a cult hit and selling well for tankoubon. I think moral battles are more suited for seinen, though (young jump as mentioned in the chapter).

[Reclaimer]

Hmm yes you are right, PCP is morally ambiguous, but not very, IMO. I think the main issue is more about the fact that it is young kids doing those pranks, and that young kids might imitate them, that is preventing them from getting an anime. If they up the level of their "pranks" it may increase the breadth of their readership and if the pranks are not the kind that kids woukd copy, maybe there migt be more chance for an anime. But then again, alienating their main fanbase (and the majority of Jump's readership) may not be too smart either. Especially if they are so concerned with rankings.
Kids playing pranks was how it started out. I seem to recall Takagi mentioning the possibility of having them break into a bank and placing a card saying how they were there without taking anything. (That was before the series started)

Since as we see so very little and are told little more, we don't really know exactly what they are currently doing and how morally ambiguous it is. This is especially relevant due to the warp speed at which Bakuman time has been passing since the serialization of PCP.

[CBlitz]

by morally ambiguous battle manga, it sounded more like Takagi would want to write a Liar Game than a Death Note. DN started out morally ambiguous but just descended into Light being a total douchebag with immense delusions of grandeur. Liar Game is epic with its confrontation between Jesus-Nao and Judas-Yokoya, it actually feels like a proper battle of ideals.

When Takagi was pointing out that morally ambiguous battle-manga are more interesting, I was instantly reminded of why I like Naruto so much

back to the actual chapter, I really hope they don't have their thunder stolen by some noob Ashirogi Muto wannabee

[sekida]

by morally ambiguous battle manga, it sounded more like Takagi would want to write a Liar Game than a Death Note.

SleepyFans translation is just psychological battle not morally ambigous battle manga. CULT battle manga rather than ieatsoul's CORRUPT battle manga.

Can't wait what manga will Ashirogi muto do. For sure, Obata have the story already that is freakingly better than this new manga. Can't wait to read it.

About their new rivals, for a change, i want to see an adult mangaka than another youngster like them.

[senewe]

This chapter only showed something. what a clever salesman the author of Enigma was lol. I personally think Enigma is going nicely. and with this kind of advertising, I hope it will getting more attention from reader.

[jojophile]

by morally ambiguous battle manga, it sounded more like Takagi would want to write a Liar Game than a Death Note. DN started out morally ambiguous but just descended into Light being a total douchebag with immense delusions of grandeur. Li....

Funny for all the D Note that I know of in any shape or form has it ever for a second became ambiguous.

Now, Naruto, on the other hand, is "purposely" "trying" to be ambiguous for the fact that....

[saladesu]

This chapter only showed something. what a clever salesman the author of Enigma was lol. I personally think Enigma is going nicely. and with this kind of advertising, I hope it will getting more attention from reader.

I don't know about that :p Enigma is not the first time Ohba-sensei has mentioned any manga be they running or concluded. I mean popular series like One Piece, Dragon Ball, Slam Dunk etc aside, she has made reference to even lesser-known series like Beelzebub. Not discounting the possibility that Sakaki-sensei could be a friend of Ohba-sensei's, hence the free PR of sorts, but it could have been coincidence that Enigma's world had some similarities to that which Ohba-sensei had in mind for this manga in the Bakumanverse.

That aside, Enigma is getting a lot of pushing by Jump itself, getting a lot more attention than a normal just-begun manga would have. I am, of course, happy for its success thus far :)


Funny for all the D Note that I know of in any shape or form has it ever for a second became ambiguous.

Now, Naruto, on the other hand, is "purposely" "trying" to be ambiguous for the fact that....

The notion of ridding the world of criminals is morally ambiguous. After all, it's the same thing that the law does when they lock away criminals and in some countries even executing them for their crimes. The ambiguity comes in because Light takes the law into his own hands and kills (a crime in itself), and subsequently the ambiguity disappears because he just gets carried away and wants to be the king of the world and so on.