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Gold Knight
February 16, 2006, 08:23 AM
Here is the:

295 RAW/Translation/Scanlation Thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=1284.0)

Okay, so Orochimaru means business, it looks like...

What is going to happen now? :blink


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razor
February 16, 2006, 08:34 AM
1st
I think naruto will push himself with 5 tails mode.Oro will die in single hit then.
2nd
i think Oro hit wrong naruto,that is only kage bunshin.naruto will appear from the ground and give a real shot to Oro.Before this is only the fake shot.even the fake shot make Oro much suffer.So the real one will hit Oro

SacredNic
February 16, 2006, 08:40 AM
I'd go with the 2nd prediction you mentioned. :tem

It'd be Naruto's style to use Kage Bunshin in this way too. :amuse

foxez69
February 16, 2006, 08:53 AM
I think it's the kage bunshin technique too :D but i'm wondering, how would the real naruto appear to instantly attack oro :D... i also think of the five tail mode.. i dont know what to choose.. both of your theories are very possible.. nice prediction :smile-big

frizbee1
February 16, 2006, 09:28 AM
There is also the possibility he'll just heal himself, crack his neck a few times and spit out another atomic spit ball... Although I like the whole five tail mode thing.

Predator
February 16, 2006, 09:35 AM
It cold not be Kage Bunshin. We all agreed that Kage would be paralyzed of disintegrated by this Chakra. I'd rather call it Kyuubi Bunshin. It sounds to me more appropriate. A clone made by spiliting in two. On the other hand Kyuubi's regenerative abilities can turn this stab look like a toothpick injury.

What I like more is that now Kabuto and Sakura don't have to go out seeking problems. Problems have come to give a home call. And it's pretty 110% sure that now Sakura has seen Naruto to it's full extent. I think now the prediction of attacking Sakura may come true as it seems she's the closest one at the moment. Don't want to disapoint fans of Mass Destruction, but you have had enough fun for now. Sorry, I don't think there will be 5-tail form in next 30 chapters at least. :amuse
It's time for story to go on.

lentharius
February 16, 2006, 09:38 AM
I think it was the real him that was hit, but being in his KN state he can heal almost anything damned quick. Hell he got hit by the end of a sword and it didn't even go through him, it just pushed him so I doubt the extent of the damage is severe. If he doesn't go 5-tails, he'll either go after Oro again or start trying to rampage on the nearest thing to him...Kabuto. Also this proximity will allow Yamato to attempt to seal him but I don't see that happening for a few chapters.

hatakescarecrow
February 16, 2006, 10:13 AM
Seriuosly doubt it was a bunshin.The fact is that naruto is seriously outclassed.Yes oro has no demon in him but as a sanin he is supposed to be kage level.So prediction is naruto heals himself with kyubi chakra and Yamato will and must control him now.

And oh yeah and sakura freaks out more.

Remus
February 16, 2006, 10:18 AM
Man this mouth blast was of the hook. I didnt thought he would suck it and spill it out.
But wee. We are gonna see some more destruction next week.

Kusachu
February 16, 2006, 10:19 AM
I just want to see naruto and kyuubi as two separate entities.  Been waiting for that for a long time!!!   got a peek of it when he annihilated diedara's (or whoever's)clay bunshin...that was awesome.   Don't see it happening soon though. XP  I just want SOMEONE get horribly dammaged...and covered with blood.   OH!  and yamoto talking about the weird chakra...i kind of wondered if maybe naruto himself was actually (or would become) a kitsune (based on real legends), but who knows...i just hope they start resolve some stuff soon!!!  RAWR!  

OH OH!  could nartuo be all bloody because kyuubi's chakra actually burns off his skin??  it would make sense concidering him screaming about kyuubi's chakra being "hot"  that time.  i want to see the aftermath!  i hope this fight ends soon!

nyah...whatever...i just want to see sasuke damn it!  I predict he will NOT show up next chapter!!  (T-T)

binkansarariman
February 16, 2006, 10:23 AM
agreed... Sakura will kick kabuto's ass.. but not in the next chapter.. we still dont see of how Yamato will deal with Naruto Kyuubi..

perhaps Naruto will be rendered unconcious for a while and kabuto will take the oppurtunity to deal with him.. Sakura will stop him and saves Naruto.. of course Yamato will do all the major stuff of controlling jinchuuriki, while she assists him.

Unfortunately, she'd be in a pinch while dealing with oro/kabuto and Sai will come to rescue. But he has to deal with oro (or Kabuto) and will be injured.. Naruto after being controlled by Yamato (finally) will use all his energy left, risking his life to save Sai.. Sai then will forever be grateful to Naruto and they'd be buddies...

hatakescarecrow
February 16, 2006, 10:33 AM
Nah if naruto is in this condition, she's too distracted to fight kabuto. And sorry to all sakura fans but Kabuto is too strong for her.Yes I mean it. He's about Kakashi's level and could kill her fast.Like i said no offence to sakura fans.Sasuke's nvr gonna show up at this rate though.

tof
February 16, 2006, 12:34 PM
I would like to see what's going on in naruto's mind at the moment. KN got a serious hit here, and i think it's time for more freudian development in the story (naruto chitchatting with kyubbi telling him how weak he is .. ;-)

Gold Knight
February 16, 2006, 12:48 PM
If Kon's preview for 296 is correct -


a violent naruto vs. orochimaru!! the/one's whereabout's of/in this fight that pierces even the earth/ground?

It might mean Sasuke is appearing next chapter, but I'll wait on further translations.

( off topic @ tof - are you Dutch? since I know 'tof' means 'cool' ;) )

Miso
February 16, 2006, 12:58 PM
i think Oro hit wrong naruto,that is only kage bunshin.naruto will appear from the ground and give a real shot to Oro.Before this is only the fake shot.even the fake shot make Oro much suffer.So the real one will hit Oro





Seriuosly doubt it was a bunshin.The fact is that naruto is seriously outclassed.Yes oro has no demon in him but as a sanin he is supposed to be kage level....

Agreed. A Bunshin is most unlikely. I think Naruto had to concentrate all his powers and concentration to form such an attack. I rather doubt that there was enough spare energy to make preparations for an additional move.
After all he is quite new to the 4 tails thing. Sure, he was in this mode one time b4 as Jiraya mentioned, but we don't know how he processed so far at this time.
I mean: you simply can't "train" this mode because it is way to dangerous. So I believe that Naruto's current development is also a new stage to him. Thus he won't use fancy and tricky techniques as he has still to master his "basic 4tail mode".

As for the prediction that Oro will die in this fight:
No. Not likely. Especially not in 296. He's too strong as a Sannin. Remember that Jiraya (also a Sannin) was able to seal Naruto in 4tail mode. Despite the fact that Naruto might have improved his abilities I think that Oro will still be strong enough to stand a fair chance against him.

What can happen in 296:


So prediction is naruto heals himself with kyubi chakra and Yamato will and must control him now.

Anyways... it's obvious that Yamato has to play his role as sealing Naruto again in some time. May it be 296 or another of the next chapters.

C4animax
February 16, 2006, 01:21 PM
On the last picture the sword is still in naruto's body linked with orochimaruu, my theory is that naruto will grab the word to punch orochimaruu, if jiraya was hurt by naruto i don't see why orochimaruu wouldn't( even if it seems that oro could be stronger than jiraya).
Orochimaruu will retreat anyway, kabuto will stay with sakura while yamato will seal naruto whitin 2/3 chapters.

Another prediction would be that since naruto is no longer under control, he'll try to hurt people around him (kabuto, sakura and yamato) and then yamato would use a technique to seal him as someone said he must seal naruto.(wich would be the perfect time since naruto was too far from yamato)

Sasuke has a secret meeting with his friends so he wont show up for now and sai might try to get orochimaruu because behind that "gay, lazy, do nothing but hidding" face he 's still on his secret mission.

donkeyhigh
February 16, 2006, 02:21 PM
The extreme violence of Naruto versus Orochimaru! What will become of the earth-shaking fight!?


Finally, it's public, no more hints or hiding. It is now out in the clear, this will be a real combat with Orochimaru and Naruto, Kishimoto wrote it himself, so I really doubt Orochimaru is gonna run away.. There will be a fight.

Altso, Naruto will definently use the sword through his shoulder as his advantage. Like Neji did against that spider-dude (actually, just like Neji), Naruto finally got a good oppertunity to use against his opponent.
He can use the sword as a way to hold down Orochimaru, as the sword is stuck with him. You understand right? If Naruto pulls out the sword and throws it to the ground, Orochimaru would have to do with it.. I'm not saying he's gonna throw it to the ground.. More likely, blast a black rasengan allong the side of the sword and right into Orochimarus mouth.. Should do the trick.. bye bye Oro.. :p :)
Or just hold him still and let Sakura or Yamato or whoever is passing by slit his throat or something..

C4animax
February 16, 2006, 03:06 PM
It didn't say anything like : Orochimaru's death or whatever...it says what will happen...there is a lot of possibility but orochimaru cannot die yet. They are already fighting anyway so that doesn't mean anything.

Yamato said he was waiting an opening couldn't get close to naruto so i still think that naruto will do something with the sword at his advantage but yamato will take the opportunity that naruto is near to get him.

ammaaranime
February 16, 2006, 03:25 PM
I mean: you simply can't "train" this mode because it is way to dangerous. So I believe that Naruto's current development is also a new stage to him. Thus he won't use fancy and tricky techniques as he has still to master his "basic 4tail mode".


kk...all i is sayin is that this 'mode'...naruto's not even in control...technically its similar to how when gaara falls asleep and the shukaku woke up...i think that's wut this is like...i mean sure mebe eventually he'll be able to control the rage...but then another tail will pop up and this will start all over again...sumfin dramatic needs to hpn...

No OnE
February 16, 2006, 05:32 PM
I want to see a 5th tail, although I think it would have some serious side effects on Naruto. Sakura, I predicted several chapters back that she'd have a heart-attack, I think it will happen now xD. I dunno, I'm pretty bad at making up predictions :P

crakbaby23
February 16, 2006, 05:51 PM
I KNOW WATS GONNA HAPPEN!

naruto will take the sword stick it into the ground and use it as stripper pole and do himself a little sexy fox dance!

lol actualy i think he will stick it into a rock, then run upside it and straight bitch slap oro

ShadwsofArchonia
February 16, 2006, 06:58 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but, since the Kyuubi has been sealed once. It would be impossible for Kabuto to seal him again.

Also, I'll put down a hundred penies as others have once done, on the fact that the Kyuubi/Naruto that got hit was nothing but raw chakra. Also, I wanna see a flashback of Jirayia talking to Kakashi, Tsunade and Yamato of what he saw when Naruto went four tails.

Laslty, I strong believe that the seal broke.

Galth
February 16, 2006, 07:15 PM
If the seal broke, we would see Kyuubi coming out of Naruto ( the complete version, 9 tailed... ), and if that happened we would see some amazing Kyuubi picture on the last page of a chapter, major teaser, so it has not done so yet...

venicia777
February 16, 2006, 07:45 PM
If the seal broke, we would see Kyuubi coming out of Naruto ( the complete version, 9 tailed... ), and if that happened we would see some amazing Kyuubi picture on the last page of a chapter, major teaser, so it has not done so yet...

yeah!! i dont think the seal broke and i dont think that was a kagebunshin- there will be no 5-tails in the next chapter-(otherwise everybody is dead). we will see probably sakura getting involved as some of the side text translations say and almost killed-(i hope sakura gets involved and allows naruto to take control of this state). he will regenerate/heal himself and get more angry at Oro. and the fight will go on more crazily. Oro will start getting tired

bongcai
February 16, 2006, 10:11 PM
I think in 296, Kyubi Naruto will kick Oro's butt. It's similiar with Sakura fight with Sasori, Sakura lost first, and then win the fight.

Galth
February 16, 2006, 10:14 PM
Yeah, i believe we will see the swordstab did not hurt him at all next chapter ^^ Kyuubi-Naruto must have some more funny tricks up his sleeve but for this atomic throwup thingie...

KRNseraphim
February 16, 2006, 10:55 PM
i dont htink yamato is going to seal naruto because if he does who's gonna protect them from orochimaru owning them? i mean he might own naruto but atleast he has opposition, i htink after orochimaru is far far away will yamato be able to seal or whatever he does with kyuubi

rickshawman
February 16, 2006, 11:20 PM
Ah, I think next chapter Kyuubi Naruto is gonna pull some new hardcore moves, but like someone said up there ^, i seriously doubt he's gonna beat Orochimaru just yet. Yeah, Jiraya DID manage to seal the four-tails mode and besides, Orochimaru just has more...experience. Much more tricky. And all his out-of-this-world justu.

But I really think Sai is finally going to make his move (he takes forever x] ). I just wonder what exactly is he trying to do....?

Galth
February 16, 2006, 11:28 PM
Sai's trying to either make beautiful sky-movements on his bird for the Olympics or painting a picture... Or perhaps he fell asleep? Maybe the author forgot about him for a chapter or 5... and then suddenly Yamato notices Sai is gone ;)

mrwhos
February 17, 2006, 12:18 AM
Looking back couple chapter, ERo-Senin said to Naruto "Don't use that Jutsu" when he was on a mission to save Gara. That can only meaning that he can use jutsus in form as 1-2-3 talied Kyuubi, beacuse in that's only time he can control his mind and think straight. Ero-Senin said that when the fourth tail comes out, only the rage of him controlling out of him and that his own blood was mixed with the Kyuubis chakra that coverd over him in 5-tailed form. Meaning that he has lost much blood in that form and lost almost the controll in that form. Meaning that some of the kyuubi's mind and Narutos rage is controlling over him ATM. We saw when Naruto was training with Ero-Senin that Naruto is blackmailing the kyuubi for chakra and was saying if he dies then the kyuubis will also die with him. So there's 2 way that Kyuubi can be released

1. Unseald Kyuubi from Naruto
2. The Seals Brake.

Prediction not in chapter 296 but further then that.

As we know that KN are mixed with Narutos blood and Kyuubis Chakra, other wise the chakra will protect KN a little from Oros attack. KN use his advantage on the sword and attack Oro with 2-3 pucnhes wich will make Oro to stay back alittle and that's the time for Yamoto to make his move on Naruto. Sai on hi's secret mission i think is to draw Naruto how much he has become with the Kyuubis chakra, and from that report to the Oppsite to the Fourth try to make the seal stronger so aketsuki have a harder to transfer the Junkchiri. Mean while Kabuto will make hi's move on Sakura but the fight will not be long beacuse Kabuto she that Oro is to much injured to fight with KN and have to retreat. During the fight Sasuke observed it and from that is to see how stron Oro is and how much more power can he give Sasuke, so he can deafeat hi' brother itchi.

Remember that Itachi IS stronger then Oro, and Itachi said that he and Kasime whould die in a battle with Naruto even if they got more ppl. and they all will die to even if Nruto dies with them.

Galth
February 17, 2006, 12:25 AM
Haha, you just broke DZ's typorecord ;) - nice prediction, but what exactly are you reffering to in your last two sentences? When Itachi and Kisame fled after Tsukyomi'ing sasuke and kakashi, Jiraiya was around too, and itachi had lost about 2/3 of his chakra after using his mangekyu twice already... and a third time to escape from that frog's belly prison i believe (?)... so they did not flee from Naruto ( if that is what you meant... )... and we don't know yet if Itachi is stronger then Orochimaru... may well be, but the only thing we know is that Itachi is to strong for Orochimaru to take over his body...

mrwhos
February 17, 2006, 12:35 AM
True, and they said that it's not worry about Naruto at his rate then when he could use some pitty amount of the Kyuubis chakra. What i mean with the two last sentence is if the Aketsuki fight naruto now they will be killed and might kill naruto to, but when they killed Nartuo he have 9-tails then and naruto is only a medium between the fight with the real Kyuubi and Aketsuki.

ShadwsofArchonia
February 17, 2006, 01:40 AM
Akatsuki man, Akatsuki. or if you can't spell the japanese-english translation. Just use Red Dawn, means the same thing anyways.

Well if the seal didn't break, then I'd say a crack has probly formed in it now, given that he went four tails. and That nuclear atomic spitball the size of a pea that could blow away over a mile of land in less than a second, hell It blew away the Triple Rashomoun that Orochimaru summoned, that says something. If Kyuubi/Naruto could do that much damage four tails, Akatsuki would have a bitch of a problem dealing with Naruto if he got more than four tails. I can't wait for chapter 296.

Anyone keep track of the anime series? If not, you guys might wanna the filler episodes arc is almost over. About five-six more episodes then I believe the time skip comes around and the anime starts to catch up with the Manga. Lastly, episode 172, the Kyuubi made its appearance again, w00t.

Come on 296, Kishimoto should make Kage Bunshins of himself and make the manga come out faster.

blurrycloud
February 17, 2006, 01:48 AM
I have a feeling he is going to start going for sakura now. Yamato would then intervene and seal the kyuubi. Then we could see what the necklace can actually do.

ir_entau
February 17, 2006, 02:38 AM
I think someone is going to intefere..and someone is going to die

Crimson
February 17, 2006, 02:43 AM
Shadows, dont forget, regarding the anime, that their also going to show Kakashi Gaiden. So im sure this April well be seeing the Kakashi Gaiden episodes, followed by Part 2 immediately after. If the anime follows the ratio of chapters to episodes it used to then Gaiden should be three episodes long, so were loking at part 2 airing in the last week of April/first week of May.

For the manga, im not exactly sure whats going to happen. I was thinking that something along the lines of KN using a jutsu to steal the Kusanagi from Orochimaru now thats its "supposedly" impaling him. That would be pretty devastating to Oro as hes always pulling that thing out for fatal strikes. But really, its completely up in the air whats going to happen from now. Every prediction ive read for the last 5 chapters has been pretty much incorrect, and Kishi keeps on throwing stuff at us that we just cant come up with (swallow the high density chakra ball and spit it out as a massive energy attack of sorts? that was brilliant, I definately didnt see that coming). Keep it up Kishi (although pick up the pace just a little please).

glasskatana
February 17, 2006, 03:42 AM
In my mind that final line with a seemingly very concerned Sakura is definitely hinting at her own intervention in this issue. My predictions are that Yamato mangaes to perform the jutsu that will help Naruto control the Kyuubi but, kind-of as a last resort of the Kyuubi desperately trying to keep the semi-control/freedom he has now, will fight back against it. The results of Yamato's jutsu fighting with the Kyuubi's intentions will effect Naruto's body and mind and he will start mindlessly destroying things because of the mental and physical pain. This is where Sakura's role of helping him get through this struggle will come in. I'm foreseeing a couple outcomes for the finale of this battle. 1.) Orochimaru fulfills his amusement and leaves with a Yamato, Sakura and possibly Sai still able to fight. 2.) Naruto some how gains a mega boost of control of power and manages to excape, or strike a deal with Oro that, for the moment he will leave without fighting if Oro lets them. 3.) doing some mega-pwn jutsu, possibly 'that jutsu' and wasting all his energy forcing Oro to retreat allowing team 7 to return to konoha and give us the readers some more info and plot developements... PLEASE I NEED MORE PLOT DEVELOPEMENTS!!!!!!!!

hatakescarecrow
February 17, 2006, 06:20 AM
Wow.What a bleeding letter block of death. Please paragraph Glass katana or nobody will take your prediction into account.

Edit: I read it already and I seriously doubt it.
Now on to the seal breaking part!!!
If the seal ever breaks u can just say goodbye to naruto series and kishimoto will change the title to Akatsuki instead. :smile-big

girlsfavtoy
February 17, 2006, 07:29 AM
Doubt the fight between Oro and KN4 is over yet. There really only have been 4 exchanges. I also doubt that Oro hit a bunshinn but i doubt it it did much damage to KN4. Considering Oro used that same sword to pierce through the 3rd so easily. I also doubt that KN4 is done yet, makes the whole Yamato aspect useless. And if Yamato were to subdue KN4, him, sakura, yamato, and sai are dead.

UzumakiRoman
February 17, 2006, 01:09 PM
1. Unseald Kyuubi from Naruto
2. The Seals Brake.

umm.. isn't this the same thing?



Remember that Itachi IS stronger then Oro, and Itachi said that he and Kasime whould die in a battle with Naruto even if they got more ppl. and they all will die to even if Nruto dies with them.




and we don't know yet if Itachi is stronger then Orochimaru... may well be, but the only thing we know is that Itachi is to strong for Orochimaru to take over his body...


if he can't take over his body then he can't subdue him which means he can't beat him. orochi's body swap technique is a doujutsu which means itachi's doujutsu is better(of course he's the best sharingan user right now) and i'm sure his genjutsu is better too. They also raved how good he was as a kid with his taijutsu and ninjutsu so i think that's why its solid that itachi is stronger.

on topic, an akatsuki member is watching and will report back the whole battle to them. Itachi will take this info and plan to kill itachi since he took hold of sasuke. in itachi's and akatsuki's mind oro having sharingan and possibly mangekyou sharingan is not an option. oro and itachi both agree that sasuke has more potential. Itachi WILL recover sasuke!!! Hmm.. maybe itachi and konoha's goals are one and the same again.. for the moment!

donkeyhigh
February 17, 2006, 02:21 PM
Why would a sword in his shoulder unseal the Kyubii ? wtf?
That's the dumbest thing I've heard..
So, when Orochimarus hands were sealed, why didn't he just bitchslap the 3ths dead body? That should have unsealed his hands again.. Oh, wait, he couldn't bitchslap without his hands.. That's probably why..  .. Yeah, must be...


Naruto's been kicked around countless times before, and nothing has happened with the seal. Just because he's in Kyubii form, that doesn't affect the seal. The only thing affecting the seal is time, it seems that over time the seal is weakening. It has nothing to do with physical dammage..
"The seal" is just an indication of the thing that stops the Kyubiis' release by a chakra greater than life by the 4th, inside of  Naruto , and cannot be opened by anyone other than Naruto, if he learns a unsealing technique.. Which the 3rd mentioned in the first episode or chapter. "There's a 1 in a million chance, but if he learns _that_ technique" .. Going into Kyubii mode is NOT a technique, and even so, it wouldn't be written into the scroll of forbidden techniques, as noone knew about it before Naruto "did it".
So the complicated technique the 3rd was talking about must be some sort of un-sealing technique by the 4th...

Naruto got a message from Jiraya, and he understands that "opening seal = no no", and he listens to his mentor like any other person would, so he wouldn't  do anything stupid like giving the Kyubii even a SMALL chance of getting free, so what he's doing now, has nothing to do with the seal, it's all about mind and power.
I'm guessing the technique Jiraya talked about has nothing to do with the seal or the Kyubii, he was just scared that Naruto would hurt his teammates with a high-powered A-bomb-like technique.


EDIT: Also, Gaara let his inner monster walk freely, and then got his ass kicked. This didn't affect his seal _at all_.

Anbu
February 17, 2006, 02:29 PM
Hate to say this but..I strongly believe that in the next coming chapter the Akatsuki will interfere

FREEZE ! PUT DOWN YOUR WEAPONZZZ ORO, YOURE GONNA GET PWNZORZZ !

Heck I can imagine Yondaime and Itachi standing beside Kabuto saying that lololoolol

ItsMrJedi
February 17, 2006, 02:40 PM
Kyuubi doesnt like to lose, and since he has the fame of being the strongest, he is quite arrogant.
So in this case he will explode with rage and definatelly pimp Oro's cheap ass.

This Kyuubi going mad, remembers me to a song I heard a while ago, it goes something like this:
I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIRE.....AND I BRING YOU: FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEE !

:))

walkie
February 17, 2006, 02:57 PM
naruto got hit from oro's (legendary) sword...but that means only one thing....

**kyuubi's berserk attacks and destructive attacks are not enough to stop or kill orochimaru...he came up with a counter-attack without any damage...

sasuke hit naruto with chidori but kyuubi's powers are healed him so no wonder his wound will be healeed again but there is only one danger awaits naruto....what if that sword has poison?? can kyuubi heal poison??...if oro means to kill naruto, he can do that with poisonun that sword...but he doesnt seem have time enough to do that...anyway he is a sannin after all...be aware of any suprises

Anbu
February 17, 2006, 03:04 PM
naruto got hit from oro's (legendary) sword...but that means only one thing....

**kyuubi's berserk attacks and destructive attacks are not enough to stop or kill orochimaru...he came up with a counter-attack without any damage...

sasuke hit naruto with chidori but kyuubi's powers are healed him so no wonder his wound will be healeed again but there is only one danger awaits naruto....what if that sword has poison?? can kyuubi heal poison??...if oro means to kill naruto, he can do that with poisonun that sword...but he doesnt seem have time enough to do that...anyway he is a sannin after all...be aware of any suprises


but that sword didnt pierced kyuubi naruto's body at all. it pushed him back. naruto's body is covered with kyuubi's chakra. that wont happen :p

walkie
February 17, 2006, 03:38 PM
hmm..is it??? i had a bad scanlation so i am not sure if it pierced or not :)

Crimson
February 17, 2006, 04:34 PM
Does it matter wether it pierced him or not? If you compare history in Naruto thus far the kyuubi is far more legendary (and powerful) than kusanagis sword. Honestly anything that the sword could possibly do to an opponent is a moot point versus kyuubi.

devo
February 17, 2006, 04:40 PM
Plus, let's remember that the sword went straight through Tsunade (several times in fact), and she barely seemed phased by it even before healing herself.

onin no ooji
February 17, 2006, 05:39 PM
wanna be devil. :wtf
versus real devil :narsengan
i think if naruto had kept his head @ 3tails he could have worn oro down :beer
and in the manga when they( oro and kabuto are waiting for sasuke and kabuto is consoling him saying things would have gone smoother if they had itachi with them
oro ( not me ) says; " but that is just a dream to wish for because he is far stronger than me", then he looks at his severed hand with the akatsuki ring on it.
oro got owned by itachi previously is what i think.
and why does everyone think the akatsuki leader is yondaime
also where can i get the black and white landscape of yondime with his arms spread riding gamabunta, it was a wallpaper from a fan art in the origional inane release of narutoit is my absolute favorite naruto image

Miso
February 17, 2006, 05:56 PM
Plus, let's remember that the sword went straight through Tsunade (several times in fact), and she barely seemed phased by it even before healing herself.


Hmm...Hmmm... :oh I had the impression that Tsunade was heavily wounded by the sword. Oro expected her to die from her injuries caused by Kusanagi and was quite shocked when she revealed her awesome healing technique.



hmm..is it??? i had a bad scanlation so i am not sure if it pierced or not :)

So lets make some things clear:
As for if the sword went through Naruto's body or if it only pushed him look at this picture. You can see that the sword injured him as blood spills (red arrows) but it doesn't go through his body (orange).
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/3537/hd6500070zt.jpg

onin no ooji
February 17, 2006, 05:59 PM
wouldn't it be cool if nk4 ripped the sword out of oro's mouth and it was his tonge( i know misspelled :smile-big

Snake1786
February 17, 2006, 06:02 PM
Man that fucking fight doesnt interest me. I wanna see a new akatsuki member or sasuke. And as the Prediction i think Jiraya will approach because he was in the cover of 295. He will fight against Orichimaru thogh i think that is not the real Orichimaru but a clone or something and Yamato will try to chill Naruto down.

Itachi_QB
February 17, 2006, 06:11 PM
Hm, don't you think too little has happened to predict anything? I mean, yeah, it's a fight, a fight in big scale, something NarutoXSasuke like but really nothing's happening. So Naruto eats the black thing, then spits the nuclear blast and Orochimaru pulls up the triple Rashoumon (which kills my idea of it being more than just a thick gate) and stabs Naruto from the ground, but what do you see that actually pushes the plot forward? Nothing.

The only thing that tries to be plot develpoment is Yamato saying "thats not Naruto anymore, it's an embrionary Kyuubi" but that's basically the same as Jiraiya had said before so it's not like we can say "oooh, the seal's gonna break next chapter" cause it most likely won't.

Even if it does, I don't think Orochimaru wants to die so he'll have to either seal Naruto, strengthening Yondaime's previous seal before it's too late. That or he'll run away, cause one of the basic Naruto "principles" is that there's nothing that can beat the Kyuubi if it awakens fully.

devo
February 17, 2006, 07:59 PM
Hmm...Hmmm... :oh  I had the impression that Tsunade was heavily wounded by the sword. Oro expected her to die from her injuries caused by Kusanagi and was quite shocked when she revealed her awesome healing technique.


Sure, she would have died eventually (at the very least from blood loss), but my point is that she was impaled upon it twice and was still standing. I'm just trying to put across that there really isn't anything special about the sword, besides the fact that Orochimaru can control it without the use of his hands and also can apparently extend it as far as he wants.

walkie
February 17, 2006, 08:00 PM
i agree about nothing much happened at this chapter...some moves/events are shown in two pages or really big so last few chapters are going slowly, arent they??

but as prediction, i hope sakura will not interfare this fight, if she does, she will be hurt by naruto i guess...if oro's sword is really effected naruto, sai will start his moves..

@miso

thanx for clearing up, you are the man!! ooppss, sorry  :darn, you are the girl ?!?!?

C4animax
February 17, 2006, 09:38 PM
During the fight Sasuke observed it and from that is to see how stron Oro is and how much more power can he give Sasuke, so he can deafeat hi' brother itchi.


I like that idea since they walk all three together as shown in the crappy anime 171...I could also imagine having zetsu looking to the fight but since they lost track of orochimaru i don't think they would be doing this.(the akatsuki )

I think that the so called jutsu is in fact the transformation into kyubi that jiraya was aalking back then, i mean lee can open gates that is concidered as a jutsu (it release huge amount of strengh etc etc) Since jiraya seemed very serious about it there is no doubt about the jutsu. (that's obviously too dangerous since he can't control anything)

[Off topic] Did someone talk about the stupid filler? Thanks god it's about to stop very soon, i mean why the hell is he using kyubi power and summoning gama for such a weak ennemie...some time they piss me off when they "kill" the naruto story :( [/Off topic]

glasskatana
February 17, 2006, 11:06 PM
So there's 2 way that Kyuubi can be release

1. Unseald Kyuubi from Naruto
2. The Seals Brake.


I disagree. there are several other ways for Kyuubi chakra to be released/ utilized.

1.) The first is the way I'm assuming the fourth inteded, for the kyuubi chakra to naturally fuse with naruto's chakra. This method is affected by the size of Naruto's body and how many years since the sealing of Kyuubi.
2.)Internal Kyuubi chakra: this is chakra that does not show itself as the kyuubi's chakra but is none the less there. This chakra is responsible for Naruto's rapid healing abilities.
3.) seal unraveling via rage.
4.) seal unraveling via life-threatening situation
5.) Naruto purposely pulling out the chakra, like in his fight against Neji. Using the chakra in this fashion does not change Naruto's appearance.

As for predictions, well the plot hasn't exactly moved, practically at all. But there is one thing. Yamato said that the kyuubi chakra is so 'evil' that when pulled out at the level that it currently is at Naruto's body shouldn't be able to move. Then he says something like 'Naruto, what are you...'

just what is Naruto doing to move the Kyuubi chakra. Perhaps he's still holding on to a glimmer of will-power that will stop him from hurting team 7, if he tries to, right before he finishes the strike. That's my prediction for the moment.

Miso
February 17, 2006, 11:28 PM
@miso

thanx for clearing up, you are the man!! ooppss, sorry :darn, you are the girl ?!?!?


yup yup female ;)




I disagree. there are several other ways for Kyuubi chakra to be released/ utilized.

1.) The first is the way I'm assuming the fourth inteded, for the kyuubi chakra to naturally fuse with naruto's chakra. This method is affected by the size of Naruto's body and how many years since the sealing of Kyuubi.
2.)Internal Kyuubi chakra: this is chakra that does not show itself as the kyuubi's chakra but is none the less there. This chakra is responsible for Naruto's rapid healing abilities.
3.) seal unraveling via rage.
4.) seal unraveling via life-threatening situation
5.) Naruto purposely pulling out the chakra, like in his fight against Neji. Using the chakra in this fashion does not change Naruto's appearance.
...


Thanks for giving us such a good summary! :thumbs
(Actually I think that mrwhos did mean the Kyuubi-4tail-or-more-release in his post but anyways...it proved to be a good opportunity to recall the nature of the Kyuubi chakra.)

glasskatana
February 18, 2006, 12:04 AM
Thanks Miso...
Anyway, I was looking at japanese mythology again and I found this fun-fact about the Kusunagi, tell me if this has already been posted or if this is not true.
The Kusunagi gains its name (grass-cutter literally) from an incident when the hero named YAMATO TAKERU was attacked by a group of warriors who started a fire to trap him. He cut through the burning grass to escape...
His name was Yamato, coincidence I think not. Of course Yamato is only Yamato's codename. Whoa, that sounds weird. Just wanted to add that fact to see if it moves predictions toward a different direction.

soso
February 18, 2006, 12:12 AM
Cant Oro Summon dead Kages? It could be posible that all he would have to do is summon the 4th, and wam bam, the demon gets a new seal and leaves naruto powerless. that opens up a whole new story line?

glasskatana
February 18, 2006, 12:17 AM
I don't think, at least in the manga, it is possible to summon the fourth hokage. He gave his life and sealed his soul within the belly of death for presumably all eternity. In the manga Orochimaru isn't even able to get the 'coffin' of the fourth up while he's fighting the third. So yeah, even if he could, the fourth gave his life to seal the demon fox, I don't think undead can give up their life.

drrckmtthws
February 18, 2006, 01:31 AM
man i don't think that itachi could possibly be stronger than oro, and even if he was the fight would be way to dangerous for him to get involved in, i think he was just talking about the moment(wasn't his hands fucked up at the time) and itachi and kisame wasn't talked about naruto when they said they would die, they was talking about jiriaya(why do you think itachi said that naruto was of no use to them now) also everybody seems to think that oro is stronger than jiriaya casue they way he handling 4 tails naruto but think about it, jiriaya had to stop him in a way that he wouldn't cause any damage, or at least as little damage as possible, Oro don't give a fuck about naruto, so he won't hold back on give him a little sword to the gut[br]Posted at: February 17, 2006, 10:11:09 PM_________________________________________________my first comment is to somebody else but replying to the thing about summoning the fourth,, i think it is possible in the manga and the anime you'll see that the only reason he wasn't summoned is because the third did every thing in his power to stop that from happening, if he would just sat back he would had a lot of problems on his hands[br]Posted at: February 17, 2006, 10:14:21 PM_________________________________________________commiting on the yamato thing, i was looking at it too and wondering what he was getting at when he said that naruto shouldn't be able to move with that much chakra around him then he says(naruto.. what are you) could naruto possible be still in controll or since we really didn't see how much naruto(with out the aid of kyubi)has grown is he saying that naruto most have some crazy strenth to still move around like he is, somebody help me out in giving there opinion on that comment

jabbament
February 18, 2006, 01:56 AM
Yeah, the fight has been pretty nice so far, but it really needs to move on. Yamato will find some opening and he'll be able to seal off Naruto's powers after Naruto inflicts a fairly major injury to Orochimaru, and he and Kabuto will run off like they always do.

And yeah, back during the Hokage vs Orochimaru, the Third knew the technique that Orochimaru was using, so no doubt he knew a sort of counter to it, and he did counter the summon...either that, or it was the fact that the Fourth is inside of the Death Gods belly, and cannot summoned...but we won't know since the Third apparently used a counter for it.

Anyway, I just hope that sometime before this fight is over, that Sai gets into it somehow. So far all he's done is let Sakura fall to what would have been her death and hide in trees. He's going to get bold (and stupid) and try and pull something before Yamato seals up Naruto.

And another thing, I think its pretty circular about who is stronger than who. Its pretty clear that Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraya, but back when Kisame and Itachi were following Naruto and Jiraya, they made the comment about how the best case scenario was that they'd kill Jiraya, but they would both die in the fight as well...and Orochimaru has said that Itachi is stronger than him. So, round it goes.

Itachi > Orochimaru > Jiraya > Itachi.

hatakescarecrow
February 18, 2006, 07:42 AM
Man that fucking fight doesnt interest me. I wanna see a new akatsuki member or sasuke. And as the Prediction i think Jiraya will approach because he was in the cover of 295. He will fight against Orichimaru thogh i think that is not the real Orichimaru but a clone or something and Yamato will try to chill Naruto down.


The covers are pretty much random. And sasuke will never appear until chp 300 or something. Oro will never use a clone to just go up against sasori.However a akatsuki appearence is possible.

Snake1786
February 18, 2006, 11:44 AM
And sasuke will never appear until chp 300 or something.



I know that i just siad it interest me???[br]Posted at: February 18, 2006, 08:41:57 AM_________________________________________________

Oro will never use a clone to just go up against sasori.




Well that is true but why can he use his hands thats the friggin question i'm asking myself again and again.

Galth
February 18, 2006, 11:48 AM
Because he changed body's 2,5 years ago... that question has been popping up several times lately... as in: previous chapter discussions or perhaps this one too...

Galth
February 18, 2006, 01:19 PM
As for tobi, he seems like some subordinate of an akatsuki member, as he's not clever and strong enough to be part of it, yet... at least he looks like he isn't. but a deidara/tobi team would be really awesome to see ;) as they really don't like eachother...

Khal, I modified your post ->go here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=1360.0)
~Miso~

Snake1786
February 18, 2006, 05:02 PM
thanks -K.
-note- the topic referred to has been moved here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=1360.0) ~Miso~

Hey their is maybe a chance we can see more from Kakashi as we can think you know maybe Tobi is Obito which is 100% Obito for me but maybe we can see how Rin and Kakashi were in love and then Rin died or we see more about his father(the white Fang) it would be cool.

???????????????????????? :kksharing

xeleron
February 18, 2006, 05:08 PM
How come everybody think sasuke will appear at around 300? What so special about the number 300? why not 350 or 400 something?

Also, oro fixing his arms... makes 3rd sacrifice soooo meanlingless as he never had to worry about it in the first place .. I was hoping it would take more for oro to fix his arms... like use sasuke's body to copy some uber jutsu to help him fix his arms

Shika-D-Kun
February 18, 2006, 05:15 PM
I can see Naruto using Kage No Buushin. BUT I think this fight is more serious than all that.
I think Anko will come in, at least TRYING to kill Orochimaru, and she, Yamato, and Kabuto may die.
I believe that.
But I don't think Orochimaru will die yet.
I think that, when his time comes, it will be him, Tsunade and Jiraya in an all-out epic battle.
I think that, slowly, during THAT fight, they will all die.
Also, I think there is a chance Shikamaru may become Hokage.

glasskatana
February 18, 2006, 05:20 PM
Also, oro fixing his arms... makes 3rd sacrifice soooo meanlingless as he never had to worry about it in the first place ..

at first I was thinking the same thing. But then I realized that the third's sacrifice was not useless at all. Due to the fact that Oro's arms weren't working, Tsunade is now Hokage, Konoha was spared a second attack that may have destroyed them, and Sasuke was not able to be taken over for another three years. That gave Naruto the time to train and grow as both a ninja and the user of Kyuubi's chakra. And it made Plot A of Oro meet Plot B of Akatsuki so ery conveniently :smile-big. So really, THe third's sacrifice saved Konoha and Sasuke's life.

C4animax
February 18, 2006, 05:40 PM
The reason why orochimaru won't summon the fourth is pretty simple, this is not like THE final fight like when he fought the third, i mean if orochimaruu summon a hokage for no particular reason here it would make the fight too long and i strongly believe that in next chapter (or two) yamato will have to play his role of "secret-captain-that-can-save-the-day".

And it's the best time now for the story to go on, naruto is around the rest of his team and kabuto, you can't have a better moment to make things moving.

About sai :

I was looking to a scan sai says "that's him" i think he's after orochimarru after all...Tsunade where just there to confuse us (probably)which would explain why he is taking so much precaution. http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs67&d=06062&f=v33_ch290_07.png

Note about the sannin :





Jiraya/tsunade/orochimaruu are all three sannin, i don't think one is stronger than the other, tsunade said she couldn't die in battle due to her healing ability, orochimaru has a body that doesn't seem to be hurt easily (snake thing) and jiraya could eventually protect himself (in the stomack of his frog or whatever) as for their jutsu they have different one but they are at the same level in terms of power, i guess.
(Itachi is stronger than oro and as someone noticed itachi said that him and the fishy man would die against jiraya...but then again maybe that's because jiraya is the good guy :p)

Sasuke/akatsuki appearance in next few chapter :

I think it would be interesting to have sasuke Or a member of akatsuki (both who knows) watching them from a part of the forest that is not destroyed, having sasuke face or his eyes in the dark saying something about naruto...it would be exiting (no for me i don't care lol...), sasuke could be there becaues he walks with orochimaruu and akatsuki could do the same since sasori was a member of akatsuki who knew where to meet kabuto etc....

glasskatana
February 18, 2006, 07:18 PM
I posted something along those lines before, I predicted that the last thing we see are someone's sharingan looking at the fight so that its left in the open whether its Sasuke or Itachi who's watching.

venicia777
February 18, 2006, 08:47 PM
I think its pretty circular about who is stronger than who. Its pretty clear that Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraya, but back when Kisame and Itachi were following Naruto and Jiraya, they made the comment about how the best case scenario was that they'd kill Jiraya, but they would both die in the fight as well...and Orochimaru has said that Itachi is stronger than him. So, round it goes.

Itachi > Orochimaru > Jiraya > Itachi.


you made pretty good statements above- but how do you justify that Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraiya- is it because of the fight he had with Oro sometime back when Oro was escaping(just like sasuke and naruto- but of course we dont know what actually happened except that Oro escaped and jiraiya survived). the only clear comparison we can make is is b/n Oro and Itachi(bcos Oro said something to the point that Itachi was stronger than him- which to most people is still debatable) and that b/n itachi and Jiraiya(because itachi said he and kisame would die in a fight against Jiraiya).

mrwhos
February 19, 2006, 12:08 AM
Itachi said that " we whould die if we fight him or the best scenario we will kill him but we both will die with him, even if we got more ppl the situation would be no different. He got a Sannin withing over him" watch the episode with Anbu & Anone

hatakescarecrow
February 19, 2006, 06:54 AM
How come everybody think sasuke will appear at around 300? What so special about the number 300? why not 350 or 400 something?

Also, oro fixing his arms... makes 3rd sacrifice soooo meanlingless as he never had to worry about it in the first place .. I was hoping it would take more for oro to fix his arms... like use sasuke's body to copy some uber jutsu to help him fix his arms


300 is a landmark chapter after all. And what are u crapping about the 3rd's death being meaningless.If he did not seal Oro's arms off, there nvr will be a konoha in the series anymore.The main reason sasuke is his no 1 choice for being the next body is his bloodline ability.After all oro wants to master all jutsu in the world and the sharingan would be a huge plus.

Miso
February 19, 2006, 11:37 AM
What is this theme song in the 172th you know when Naruto talks to this girl and then hit her?????


What do you mean? An Anime theme song?
If so it doesn't belong to the 296 Discussion topic....;)

Snake1786
February 19, 2006, 11:42 AM
What do you mean? An Anime theme song?
If so it doesn't belong to the 296 Discussion topic....;)


Sorry .

enzomars
February 19, 2006, 01:24 PM
I think or better, i'm sure that in 296 we're going to understand the meaning of Jiraiya's words back then at the hospital.
So... to illustrate the fact that Naruto in this form doesn't distinguish friends from enemies, Kishimoto's going to make Naruto go after Sakura (not Kabuto or Yamoto to make it more dramatic) now that Oro is out of sight. What's gonna make Oro go more Kukuku...how amusing!

Then Yamato will have to make his move. I'm not thinking about him sealing kyuubi or smth caus' i think his ability was not sealing but controlling the Jinchuruki (maybe by telling/showing him who is his real target). And against an opponent like Oro, sealing KN thus making him weaker is pure suicide.

For the next chapters, i've already say it but i'll repeat: Someone's gonna show up (don't know who) for this fight or arc to end. I can't imagine Oro running away from KN4 ( even Kabuto's not impressed by him ) or Letting them all escape alive. Ccl: A third party has to interrupt this arc.

Sephy7KillerMech
February 19, 2006, 01:55 PM
You are all talking about Naruto as if he was the one fighting, it's not naruto fighting now, it's enraged mindless kyuubi chakra. Remember, naruto loses all control over himself and go's on a mindless killing spree, how could he even think about using Kage Bunshin? You all can forget about naruto using any of his jutsu during this battle, it's not gonna happen, all we get to see is Kyuubi chakra doing Kyuubi things, so think of this as a glimpse of the simplest things the nine-tailed fox is capable of.
I have 3 predictions for the next chapter;
1. Yamato doesn't power down naruto, this would be a death sentence unless yamato himself is far more powerful than 4 tailed naruto, think about it, Oro is "playing" with naruto now and he's JUST starting to break a sweat, what's Yamato gonna do without Oro being distracted? I think the ability to take control of bijuu should be taken literally, I believe he will take complete controll of Naruto and actually do something intellegent with the power, this will chase Oro off and leave all the important characters alive and so worn out they have to retreat to Konoha and respective caves/hideouts whatever.
2. Sai will launch his "secret mission". Sai is being carefull but not THAT carefull, he's right on the edge of the freakin' crater that was created from this battle. Sai might do something soon that will make us all love him or hate him, let's hope we get to see what the "secret mission" is!
3. Sakura will be retarded. (this is how she normally is so i wouldn't be surprised if she tries to jump in and calm naruto down and get's their only med ninja horribly injured)

Yes mindless naruto against cunning oro is getting boring, lets move the story on.

<EDIT> haha didn't read the above posts, i guess i mostly agree with the guy above me ^.^

enzomars
February 19, 2006, 02:21 PM
Yep! I mostly agree with you too.

Kyuubi - bunshin?!!?? wtf!

venicia777
February 19, 2006, 02:31 PM
You are all talking about Naruto as if he was the one fighting, it's not naruto fighting now, it's enraged mindless kyuubi chakra. Remember, naruto loses all control over himself and go's on a mindless killing spree, how could he even think about using Kage Bunshin? You all can forget about naruto using any of his jutsu during this battle, it's not gonna happen, all we get to see is Kyuubi chakra doing Kyuubi things, so think of this as a glimpse of the simplest things the nine-tailed fox is capable of.
I have 3 predictions for the next chapter;
1. Yamato doesn't power down naruto, this would be a death sentence unless yamato himself is far more powerful than 4 tailed naruto, think about it, Oro is "playing" with naruto now and he's JUST starting to break a sweat, what's Yamato gonna do without Oro being distracted? I think the ability to take control of bijuu should be taken literally, I believe he will take complete controll of Naruto and actually do something intellegent with the power, this will chase Oro off and leave all the important characters alive and so worn out they have to retreat to Konoha and respective caves/hideouts whatever.
2. Sai will launch his "secret mission". Sai is being carefull but not THAT carefull, he's right on the edge of the freakin' crater that was created from this battle. Sai might do something soon that will make us all love him or hate him, let's hope we get to see what the "secret mission" is!
3. Sakura will be retarded. (this is how she normally is so i wouldn't be surprised if she tries to jump in and calm naruto down and get's their only med ninja horribly injured)

Yes mindless naruto against cunning oro is getting boring, lets move the story on.

<EDIT> haha didn't read the above posts, i guess i mostly agree with the guy above me ^.^

i concur on these points except we may not see sai's mission in its full meaning in the next chapter-296. i am already expeciting sakura to jump into the fray- at least i am hoping her actions and narutos response may help him get a better control of this stage. and yamato might have to get involved now now that naruto is nearer to them than he is to Oro.

razor
February 19, 2006, 02:50 PM
I don't care about what is going to happen next but For a next chapters to come i really want to see:
a)Oro and kabuto become a dead meat
b)akatsuki leader show he face and fight with someone very strong(naruto?)
c)all akatsuki members show their dirty face
d)to see a nine tails mode of naruto
d)i don't care about Sai and sakura and sasuke(even sasuke fight with his brother in future )

:)

Shambler
February 19, 2006, 03:24 PM
1. Yamato doesn't power down naruto, this would be a death sentence unless yamato himself is far more powerful than 4 tailed naruto

I agree with that point. Yamato can't power down Naruto cos then Oro will just kill him. With Sai having gone awol, Yamato and Sakura will have to take on Kabuto and then help Naruto. Unless of course Yamato's ability to control the bijuu should be taken literally, in which case next chapter we will see Naruto performing mokuton jutsu with Kyuubi chakra. :blink

I think Sakura will be retarded but not actually do anything. After her initial display of her new abilities in the last arc, she has settled back into her usual place in the plot, which is to stand there gawking. The only thing different is that she will have replaced 'Sasuke-kuuuuuuuuuuuun!' with '.........Naruto........'

donkeyhigh
February 19, 2006, 05:31 PM
Orochimaru and Jiraya is about the same strenght..
It seemes like they fought once before, when Jiraya tried to talk with Orochimaru right before he left. And they're still both alive.
The previous fight when Naruto used his Rasengan for the first time, they fought equally too, even though Jiraya was affected by Tsunades poison.

I actually think Jiraya's stronger than Orochimaru, but can't get himself to fight with his full killing intent versius his old friend.

@Shambler
You shouldn't underestimate Yamato. He's the soul surviver of Orochomarus tests, maby he feels a grudge for all the others that was killed, and want's to get back at Orochimaru for using human beings as experiment-rats.. Oh, and pluss he's crazy strong..!

Oh, and Kabuto should be a easy prey for Sakura.
She knows medical-arts, she's a bit mental herself (inner Sakura.. scary..), her punches should hurt, she's smart, has perfect controll of her chakra, knows gen-jutsu and so on..

Kabuto's just good with medics and tai-jutsu.. From what we know anyway.. Go for it Sakura, show us you've matured!

glasskatana
February 19, 2006, 06:55 PM
Um...
has it crossed anyone's mind that we won't figure out what Sai's mission is until we get back to Konoha village. Maybe he will or maybe he won't accomplish it, but we might see the explanation of what the mission is when he's talking secretly with Danzo after this fight. Something like Sai bowing and Danzo going "did you complete your mission of ::insert secret mission's purpose here::" and Sai looking up to him with a phony smile and going " yes I did" or "I was not able to" and the entire fanbase of Naruto going WTF!!!! OMG!!! So that's what the mission was.

Galth
February 19, 2006, 07:11 PM
And what kind of mission would only be noticed afterwards? Kishimoto wouldn't kill the suspense of Sai going to do something by delaying it that long...

glasskatana
February 19, 2006, 07:50 PM
I see your point, but lets say the mission was simply to observe naruto-kyuubi so that roots could find the way to use him. That would be a mission that would make sense with what Sai's done so far and with Danzo's plans, as well as my theory. Though I'm not going to push this prediction too far because I'm not too sure of it myself.

C4animax
February 19, 2006, 07:52 PM
Oh, and Kabuto should be a easy prey for Sakura.
She knows medical-arts, she's a bit mental herself (inner Sakura.. scary..), her punches should hurt, she's smart, has perfect controll of her chakra, knows gen-jutsu and so on..
Kabuto's just good with medics and tai-jutsu.. From what we know anyway.. Go for it Sakura, show us you've matured!

Yeah i agree, even kakashi took some precaution for the bell game.


And what kind of mission would only be noticed afterwards? Kishimoto wouldn't kill the suspense of Sai going to do something by delaying it that long...

Saï is doing something that is related to orochimaru i'm sure of it.

For the next chapters, i've already say it but i'll repeat: Someone's gonna show up (don't know who) for this fight or arc to end. I can't imagine Oro running away from KN4 ( even Kabuto's not impressed by him ) or Letting them all escape alive. Ccl: A third party has to interrupt this arc.

Oro summons three of his "ultimate defence" and kabuto is saying that the power of the kyubi is amazing, i think they are impressed enough to run away from nk4...

darion
February 19, 2006, 07:59 PM
blood bunshin ! :)

lentharius
February 19, 2006, 08:57 PM
Oh, and Kabuto should be a easy prey for Sakura.

wait, what? Kabuto has been compared in strength to Kakashi, and Sakura has no where near that amount of power. Sure she may be strong, but he so far outclasses her she wouldn't even come close to being able to hit him with any moves. Do you really think that one of Orochimaru's closest minions, and a former minion of a member of Akatsuki is some chump that a chuunin like sakura can beat? Kabuto was Jounin level 3 years ago who knows how strong he has become by now.

Galth
February 19, 2006, 09:28 PM
Kabuto owns all, admit it... He has been hinted at being one of the strongest ninja, at least at kakashi level, during the chunin exam, though Orochimaru said he was only joking... but it looks like he was saying to Kabuto he knew about his hidden strenght or something like that, and the only fight he lost was to Naruto, who surprized him and jabbed him some heavy Rasengan in the chest, though notice: Naruto was in a worse shape then Kabuto after the fight ( Kabuto could still flee after a while, but Naruto was down... )

C4animax
February 19, 2006, 09:34 PM
Kabuto owns all, admit it... He has been hinted at being one of the strongest ninja, at least at kakashi level, during the chunin exam, though Orochimaru said he was only joking... but it looks like he was saying to Kabuto he knew about his hidden strenght or something like that, and the only fight he lost was to Naruto, who surprized him and jabbed him some heavy Rasengan in the chest, though notice: Naruto was in a worse shape then Kabuto after the fight ( Kabuto could still flee after a while, but Naruto was down... )


Bah what do you mean "heavy" he just had time to master that jutsu and it wasn't even with kyubi released. Three years passed it's true that sakura is shown again as the weakest link but i'm sure she could deal with kabuto they both are medical ninja.

glasskatana
February 19, 2006, 09:44 PM
I believe that if it were Sakura vs. Kabuto in normal circumstances Kabuto would indeed own, however people are forgetting that Kabuto, most likely, used a rather significant portion of his chakra healing the damage inflicted on him by Naruto/Kyuubi.
If it came down to a fight right now, during this fight, Sakura might win.

When it comes to beneficial medical techniques, like healing and so forth Sakura is superior, however it appears that Kabuto has a great knowledge of the human body and where to strike it as well as superior hand to hand combat. Sakura only has an uber punch, Kabuto can stop people from breathing with the palm of his hand not to mention various other things he could slice within your body. I don't think Sakura has the "fatty breasts" that Tsunade has that stopped the chakra scalpel from piercing her respiratory system.

Galth
February 19, 2006, 10:21 PM
Don't forget, Kabuto has these amazing regenarative passive abilities... so my guess is that he'll still be able to properly pwn Sakura...

NastyM
February 20, 2006, 12:20 AM
Saying that Sakura would win is maby taking it to far.

Im not even sure they will fight. Kabuto seems much more interested in seeing how 4tails is coping with Orochimaru.
The fight will probably end in chapter 297. I hope this doesn´t turn out to be a Sasorifight in terms of lenght.

Sephy7KillerMech
February 20, 2006, 12:39 AM
Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, but are we all sure Sai's mission has to do with Naruto 4 tailed? Sai seemed kind of surprised when naruto first started powering up. Maybe his mission has to do with Oro? It's just a hunch and i'm probably wrong but hey, you never know... Oh and do we know why Oro got kicked from Akatsuki?

glasskatana
February 20, 2006, 01:51 AM
I think Oro left Akatsuki of his own accord. I don't think he likes surrounking himself with people as or more powerful than himself because he ends up viewing them as a threat. For instance I have a feeling that the person who everyone is calling the leader of Akatsuki, the one with the double pupil eyes, in my mind he is the most powerful ninja alive and known right now. Also Oro said that Itachi was not a possible candidate for his soul transfer jutsu due to his power.

DarkManSharingan32
February 20, 2006, 03:18 AM
Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, but are we all sure Sai's mission has to do with Naruto 4 tailed? Sai seemed kind of surprised when naruto first started powering up. Maybe his mission has to do with Oro? It's just a hunch and i'm probably wrong but hey, you never know... Oh and do we know why Oro got kicked from Akatsuki?



Yeah, i was thinkin that too in the beginning...
He did say something like "so THAT is Orochimaru"... when he first showed up.


But the problem with that theory is that Orochimaru wasn't ever supposed to be at the Bridge, and was never implicated to be there. In fact only the spy was supposed to be there... It just happens to be that Kabuto was the "spy", and Orochimaru followed.

And think about it... why would Sai need to infiltrate Team 7 if his goal was Orochimaru... If it was, he would jus have to follow them on the mission rather than be implanted into the team. [br]Posted at: February 19, 2006, 08:11:48 PM_________________________________________________

Don't forget, Kabuto has these amazing regenarative passive abilities... so my guess is that he'll still be able to properly pwn Sakura...



All Sakura needs in one punch... Regenerative abilities or not, that punch is lethal and only Jiraiya and Orochimaru (with his ability to take very little damage) are known to survive it. (since it is mostly a chakra attack, not physical strength)

Sakura has been trained expertly by Tsunade not in the area of purely attack or defense.... but in the art of evading attacks. To say that Sakura would easily be beaten by Kabuto is mostly likely a false statement. Id say that without unleashing some of his hidden power... Kabuto would fight evenly with Sakura, maybe even getting the upperhand a few times... but Sakura would eventually hit...putting more than a hurt on Kabuto. (Who will most likely take Sakura lightly since he doesnt know who she has been training under... or her abilities...)

Right now... Sakura has the upperhand in a one on one fight...

soso
February 20, 2006, 04:48 AM
Heres what I think Sai's mission is: To Kill Susuke
1. Sai trys to kill him but naruto stops him and they fight
2. Naruto talks him out of it and Sai tells naruto about his past
3. Naruto and Sai are now best friends and cheerfully go to save Susuke

Dont know when it will happen but thats my two cents.

DarkManSharingan32
February 20, 2006, 05:09 AM
Heres what I think Sai's mission is: To Kill Susuke
1. Sai trys to kill him but naruto stops him and they fight
2. Naruto talks him out of it and Sai tells naruto about his past
3. Naruto and Sai are now best friends and cheerfully go to save Susuke

Dont know when it will happen but thats my two cents.


That sounds boring... and i hope that doesnt happen.I personally dont think that is Sai's mission... because it implies that he/Root knew this would be a trap and that Sasuke would be following them along.

He also doesnt seem to be looking for Sasuke... but rather he is interested in the battle between Oro + Naruto/Kyuubi... which leads me to think that one of those two have to do with his mission. And since Naruto seems to be the only one he KNEW was going to be there, i feel it's more likely that it has to do with Naruto/Kyuubi...

Demon Nin
February 20, 2006, 05:38 AM
Kakashi> Kabuto period. Kakashi can easily predict his movements with the sharingan and also he has MS.Kabuto's weak ass medical shit wont save his ass from that. Not to mention Kabuto even said himself he's weak in taijutsu. Kakashi would somehow just whip out a chidori and own him. Unlike Sasuke he could use it 4 times. after time skip who knows how many he could do.

DarkManSharingan32
February 20, 2006, 06:05 AM
Kakashi> Kabuto period. Kakashi can easily predict his movements with the sharingan and also he has MS.Kabuto's weak ass medical shit wont save his ass from that. Not to mention Kabuto even said himself he's weak in taijutsu. Kakashi would somehow just whip out a chidori and own him. Unlike Sasuke he could use it 4 times. after time skip who knows how many he could do.


His MS technique, and his ability to use his third-tomoe-sharingan longer are the only differences that pre-timeskip Kakashi. Thus Kabuto shouldn't be that far behind Kakashi. I seriously think that you have fallen into the category of people who think that villians don't get any stronger.. merely becausr the good guys did. Trust me.. we still haven't seen a Kabuto vs. Kakashi fight yet... and if we do, i guarantee it wont be Kakashi hands down....lol


And about the Chidori thing.... My guess is 5...maybe even 6, but thats a stretch. He had been perfecting the Chidori for YEARS in order to gain the ability to perform 4. The skill is not the problem.. its the amount of chakra Kakashi has. He has improved his stamina, and thus i think he should easiy be able to pull off 5.

hatakescarecrow
February 20, 2006, 06:26 AM
If u all ever watched kabuto vs tsunde, he could fight on a same level with her. And don't u dare say she was scared of blood because i am describing the part before she freaks out.Even tsunde admited to him having surpassed her in her prime years.
If u are the narrow-minded type of people who believes in good must always>evil please attempt to see the bigger picture.

Snake1786
February 20, 2006, 07:24 AM
Thats right I thought at the beginning that kabuto is a filler type character but he kicks ass after I saw him fighting Godaime Tsunade which is a Hokage I thought WTF he fights against a Sannin and he can still stand her.But i think he is not at the same Level as Kakashi ..... thats just impossible.

lentharius
February 20, 2006, 07:31 AM
Bah what do you mean "heavy" he just had time to master that jutsu and it wasn't even with kyubi released. Three years passed it's true that sakura is shown again as the weakest link but i'm sure she could deal with kabuto they both are medical ninja.

First Kabuto seems to be a pretty damned good medical ninja from his small encounter with Kakashi. Plus am I the only one that thinks that Kabuto took the Rasengan on purpose so he could try and disconnect Naruto's chakra flow to his heart. The only reason he got so damaged is that he was cocky and thought he could take it and regenerate just fine.


All Sakura needs in one punch... Regenerative abilities or not, that punch is lethal and only Jiraiya and Orochimaru (with his ability to take very little damage) are known to survive it. (since it is mostly a chakra attack, not physical strength)

I doubt Sakura is as strong as Tsunade right now as far as her punches are concerned. Tsunade has been training with the physical attacks her entire life, Sakura has had what 2 years? Sure Sakura has great chakra control, but she really has very little chakra potential. Plus even though Kabuto's weak points are taijutsu, he's probably still better than Sakura. Plus he could just use Ninjutsu and kill her easily. And no Kabuto isn't as good as Kakashi, just somewhat comparable. But this has gotten rather far off topic, so my prediction for next chapter is:

Naruto was hit, no bunshin or anything. While I think it would be cool if he started to rampage on those closest to him, I think that the Kyuubi is probably pretty pissed at Oro for that move, so he will launch a counter-attack. Keep in mind Kyuubi isn't mindless as we have seen from Naruto's discussions with him, he's just evil. Since he took over Naruto's consciousness he seems to have a pretty good idea of what he is doing. The only difference here is that Naruto isn't controlling his body so they Kyuubi has free reign to kill what he wants, that is why he can't distinguish friend from foe because Naruto just isn't there anymore.

hatakescarecrow
February 20, 2006, 07:34 AM
Thats right I thought at the beginning that kabuto is a filler type character but he kicks ass after I saw him fighting Godaime Tsunade which is a Hokage I thought WTF he fights against a Sannin and he can still stand her.But i  think he is not at the same Level as Kakashi ..... thats just impossible.


Silly Snake1786 anything is possible. If anything he should fare well against kakashi himself after all he barely showed his powers and he could have killed tsunde with that move he so enjoys using.He could have cut the heart but chose not to.

Snake1786
February 20, 2006, 08:04 AM
Silly Snake1786 anything is possible. If anything he should fare well against kakashi himself after all he barely showed his powers and he could have killed tsunde with that move he so enjoys using.He could have cut the heart but chose not to.


What i mean is Godaime is not strong and i hate her just like sakura and please dont call me silly or else nobody would take me serious. :s :s

maxhrk
February 20, 2006, 08:18 AM
i dont think Kabuto is good than Kakashi anymore. Remember right now it's part two and Orochimaru dont know that Kakashi gained that different kind of mangekyou sharigan.

If Kakashi revealed his sharigan, and Kabuto thought that only look at his feet would work against his sharigan. But he will be blasted in next world. haha. erm..

move along..


Kakashi >>> Kabuto if he don't know about it yet. :D

hatakescarecrow
February 20, 2006, 08:19 AM
I'm gonna go crazy if kishimoto intends on keeping KN4 in 3 entire chps though
And i think why jiraiya said that was because the 9-tails wanted to kill for watever short amount of time he was in control



i dont think Kabuto is good than Kakashi anymore. Remember right now it's part two and Orochimaru dont know that Kakashi gained that different kind of mangekyou sharigan.

If Kakashi revealed his sharigan, and Kabuto thought that only look at his feet would work against his sharigan. But he will be blasted in next world. haha. erm..

move along..


Kakashi >>> Kabuto if he don't know about it yet. :D


If kakashi does not mess up the aim and all kabuto could stand a good chance.

hermallorn
February 20, 2006, 10:57 AM
prediction ? easy easy...
3 remaining chapter in this volume: we still have to see: sasuke, oro being actually hurt, yamato controling naruto, sai 's mission, and maybe kabuto being dealt with
that seems pretty busy so the kyubi rampage as to end quickly.
My prediction for this chapter: uber demonic-badass counter attack from naruto and at the end sai going after hurted oro ( has to be because he said sasuke is gay so he will be smashed by sasuke in the last chap :) )and yamato taking on kyubi!

Snake1786
February 20, 2006, 12:22 PM
Man when naruto is equal strong to orochimaru in his 4th Tail mode then what would happen when he has 5Tails are even 6Tails and more ..............He would blow out the whole narutoversum. :darn

UzumakiRoman
February 20, 2006, 01:08 PM
i think that when tsunade was refering to kabuto surpassing her, i think she meant in medical ninjutsu. Also Tsunade did seem weak but i think shes been goofing off for like 20 years while gambling and being hurt over the death of her loved ones. i think she needs alot of time to train and get back into shape.

about kakashi and kabuto, we all know kaksahi is kick ass and coming up with new MS is definitely a plus but lets not forget that his MS leaves him in an even worst state then regular sharingan. Eventhough he's not an uchiha he's done amazing things with sharingan but the damage has to be almost as bad as kyuubi chakra on Naruto, and let's face it he's not as young as Naruto and doesn't have regenerative powers.
Now as for Kabuto he is still the wild card. those read eyes in the chuunin exam are still lingering in the back of our minds and i bet he'll be kick ass when those eyes come out. It's probably a bloodline limit or transformation. Also i think Orochimaru maybe aware of just what that is because Kabuto is always offering his body to him as a 'container' when ever the need arises, now yeah his regenerating abilities are great but in the grand scheme of things Oro really doesn't need that because he can evade most attacks from many shinobi so there must be something else.

now for my prediction:
i think that kishi will hold back Yamato's bijuu controlling technique because he's had us on the line for weeks like little fishes, and the sad truth is he can dangle us there for many more weeks if he wants to(that is the control kishi has..lol). My only hope is that yamato's bijuu tchniques wiil bw something interesting, exciting, and amazing that will leave our jaws on the floor!!!!! Naruto/Kyuubi will definitely do a counterattack cuz Kyuubi's nobody's bitch!! I think Sakura will continue to watch and maybe get involved(silly kunoichi trix are for kids!!), kabuto will gather probably chat it up some more. I don't know about sai but he needs to do somethin, for real, show us why you're a ninja and not an art major. I also agree with some people up above i think somebody may have to come to break up the fight, feels like someone is missing.

i don't know if Jiraiya went on another mission to find out more about akatsuki but maybe he finds out who was gonna be at the bridge if sasori told Akatsuki about it. Also Jiraiya finds alot of info about Akatsuki, if kabuto was a spy for akatsuki maybe Jiraiya has a spy in Akatsuki(food for thought).
Maybe Jiraiya and Akatsuki will appear at the battle that i will approve of after this drawing out of the current battle!!

donkeyhigh
February 20, 2006, 02:15 PM
If Sakura stands up now, and sais "All I need is one finger.." I'll start laughing so hard I'll cry.. that'd be awsome :D

No seriously, Kabuto is said to be as strong as Kakashi, however we all know noone is as strong as Kakashi, as he is the greatest ninja the world have ever seen. However, Kabuto is still strong.
But some times strong just doesn't cut it, Sakura is smarter, and has a much stronger will-power. I.e. Naruto VS Neji..
oh shit, gotta go.. work..

ShadwsofArchonia
February 20, 2006, 03:30 PM
Kakashi did once say "In the world of Ninja there are some who are stronger than me and younger than you". Kabuto would no doubt fit that category.

Secondly
however we all know noone is as strong as Kakashi, as he is the greatest ninja the world have ever seen. that's utter bull, there will always be other Ninja stronger than Kakashi. Itachi is one, All the five Hokage's of the Leaf are stronger than Kakashi. Many say he's a genius amongst the leaf Nin and legendary amongst the Shinobi nations. I say he's an over-rated idiot, who picks favoraites and fucks up his own team for the benefit of one kid who in the end fucks him over and then the teacher himself does nothing to repent for his mistakes.

A total over-rated idiot, like Sasuke.

Snake1786
February 20, 2006, 05:25 PM
Kakashi did once say "In the world of Ninja there are some who are stronger than me and younger than you". Kabuto would no doubt fit that category.

Secondly that's utter bull, there will always be other Ninja stronger than Kakashi. Itachi is one, All the five Hokage's of the Leaf are stronger than Kakashi. Many say he's a genius amongst the leaf Nin and legendary amongst the Shinobi nations. I say he's an over-rated idiot, who picks favoraites and fucks up his own team for the benefit of one kid who in the end fucks him over and then the teacher himself does nothing to repent for his mistakes.

A total over-rated idiot, like Sasuke.
Lol man thats the first time i see somebody talking bad about Kakashi. He is maybe a total over rated idiot for you but you must agree with me that he is for sure stronger than Tsunade. I mean when she even couldnt beat Kabuto and she is older and has more experience than Kabuto than she is not worth to wear the Title "Kage".

DarkManSharingan32
February 20, 2006, 05:44 PM
Kakashi did once say "In the world of Ninja there are some who are stronger than me and younger than you". Kabuto would no doubt fit that category.

Secondly that's utter bull, there will always be other Ninja stronger than Kakashi. Itachi is one, All the five Hokage's of the Leaf are stronger than Kakashi. Many say he's a genius amongst the leaf Nin and legendary amongst the Shinobi nations. I say he's an over-rated idiot, who picks favoraites and fucks up his own team for the benefit of one kid who in the end fucks him over and then the teacher himself does nothing to repent for his mistakes.

A total over-rated idiot, like Sasuke.


I agree with you that people over-hype Kakashi and Sasuke's abilities... but it's done in much the same way as Naruto. (they at least can't fall behind the "oh he hcan do whatever he wants cause hes the MAIN CHARACTER" line)

Anyways, Kakashi never fucked up his team.... amd im sure that Naruto and Sakura don't hold what he did against him. In fact they know how caring he is. Out of all three of them, Naruto and Sasuke needed the most work... but through out the early seasons Naruto found his purpose, and thus could be left on his own. Sasuke lost all previous role-models (while Naruto had Iruka)... so Kakashi chose to be that for Sasuke. Throw into that, that Kakashi is the only person in the entire leaf-villiage that could help advance Sasuke's sharingan techniqes... and you have another reason. In the end, Kakashi was a mentor to all three of them, and taught them valuable lessons to use on missions. But because of the parallels between he and Sasuke, it's only natural that Sasuke would be his Subordinate.



P.S.

You sound like a bitter Narutotard.... Cheer up, Naruto learned from Jiraiya... which never would have happened if Kakashi was training Naruto... :-p[br]Posted at: February 20, 2006, 10:38:10 AM_________________________________________________

Lol man thats the first time i see somebody talking bad about Kakashi. He is maybe a total over rated idiot for you but you must agree with me that he is for sure stronger than Tsunade. I mean when she even couldnt beat Kabuto and she is older and has more experience than Kabuto than she is not worth to wear the Title "Kage".



I don't understand....

Why is it SOOO hard for people to think that Kabuto is just GOOD! I mean honestly.... hes not a bad guy. The man can control dead bodies... reconfigure them... (and confuse the hell out of Kakashi). Tsunade also tooled on Orochimaru.... like NO OTHER NINJA HAS... And NO i do not count Naruto... who is a limited KYUUBI right now.
I just don't understand why people refuse to give Kabuto his props and realize that his is easily on the level of both Kakashi and Tsunade (medically).

And yes... Tsunade is MORE than qualified to be a Kage. I can't believe you actually said that. She has more experience, and skill than Kakashi.... and actually has FOUGHT Oro and stayed standing...

donkeyhigh
February 20, 2006, 06:15 PM
No no no, you all misunderstood me.. Kakashi is teh win.

girlsfavtoy
February 20, 2006, 06:21 PM
Man when naruto is equal strong to orochimaru in his 4th Tail mode then what would happen when he has 5Tails are even 6Tails and more ..............He would blow out the whole narutoversum. :darn


True. But this is also why there are 8 other Jinchurikis or whatever. Evens out the playing field. For the select 8 that has it.

Galth
February 20, 2006, 06:26 PM
Note that even Kakaksi, who all agree to be one of the strongest leafs, said Kabuto to be very clever, when he met him at Sasuke's hospital bed in the Chunin Arc, and Kabuto had, without a scratch, killed all those guard... And he menaged to escape Kakashi quite easily, so it's not a matter of guessing if he is smart, skilled etc, but if he can stand up to the others around him, who are no small fries too... ( perhaps possibly Sakura... she may not be that brilliant ninja she can become yet, and Naruto normally wouldn't be able to handle Orochimaru )

Btw, Orochimaru, who likes to be surrounded by strong people he controls, favors Kabuto, though he knows Kabuto to only stay on his side as long as he sees his own profit in it... "if you can, you could kill sasuke to stop me now...", and Kabuto really thought about doing so, where it not that he chooses not to fight above the chance of being killed by Kakashi...

Overall, Kabuto could be at Kakashi level, as has been hinted at, but even though we have seem him being 'defeated' by Naruto ( did we? ) we cannot be sure... i believe Kabuto to have been about as strong as Kakashi before he obtained the Mangekyu Sharingan, but that's just speculation, though storywise, Kakashi would probably pwn Kabuto if they where to clash at this point in time...

Luckily for Kabuto-chaaaaaan, there isn't much chance of him fighting Kakashi during this arc ;) so he'll just defeat Sakura before Naruto saves her, or just watch the fighting and save Orochimaru later on :) Kabuto is a good boy [zetsu voice].

ShadwsofArchonia
February 20, 2006, 06:53 PM
Lol man thats the first time i see somebody talking bad about Kakashi. He is maybe a total over rated idiot for you but you must agree with me that he is for sure stronger than Tsunade. I mean when she even couldnt beat Kabuto and she is older and has more experience than Kabuto than she is not worth to wear the Title "Kage".


Let me put it this way, Kakashi sucks because the guy contradicts his own rules as a Shinobi ::ahem:: "Those who break rules are trash, but those who leave their friends behind are worst then trash." now in comparison to that let's take a look at Kakashi.

He - A) Ignored Naruto
Sub A) broke the rules by not being a fair teacher
Sub Sub A) all he ever taught Naruto was tree walking, when Sasuke recieved a curse seal from Orochimaru the guy got hyped up and focused on the Uchiha, not caring for a second to stop and think. That hey naruto has the Kyuubi, Orochimaru may not like the Kyuubi. Maybe he did something to Naruto, I may want to check up on him. We all know that Kyuubi is far more dangerous than a pathetic curse seal. But he didn't care.

B) Kakashi went against his words
Sub B) He betrayed I'll bet to a degree the trust Naruto had in his teacher
Sub Sub B)Didn't acknowledge up front to Naruto of his deeds.
Sub Sub Sub B) Did he show up early to the Chuunin Exam to see Naruto's fight, no. I doubt he cared
Sub Sub Sub Sub B) Too bad for the subbing, deal with it, Finally I'd been happier for the character's feelings of Naruto that the over-rated Copy Nin would've just said upfront to Naruto to cold and honest - brutal truth. Atleast that way Naruto wouldn't have become dependent on his teacher and then for all the kid did for his pupil he gets stabbed in the fucking back.

I seriously hate the guy, not a single bit of his feelings, morals or standards are worth considering as a basis for the guy to be left alive. As Gaara once said before him and Naruto fought I'll say it slightly changed "Kakashi you're a waste of human flesh and a disgrace to the village."

Game over.

-Shad

Galth
February 20, 2006, 06:58 PM
Please note, he just posted an opinion, so don't go overboard by flaming etc, aye, kakashi-fanboys/-girls?

Furthermore: you're right, he did seem to favor Sasuke at all points, as he felt him a fellow-sharingan-companion and wanted to protect him, being Orochimaru's target and someone with a great potential for getting all missing-nin ( like in the end, he did... ). And after Kakashi noticed Naruto to be the Akatsuki target, he has been protecting Naruto with all his power after that, so he does tend to forget about other things when he feels himself on a 'mission' ( excluding his books ofcourse ;) )

EDIT: Thanks, devo, ontopic is good... i had wandered off the road myself too :p

devo
February 20, 2006, 07:00 PM
Shadows, you make a very good point. Kakashi had been my favorite character for a while, but I didn't even consider the actions you listed above. Now I'm rethinking my opinion on the guy.

However, let's remember that this is a predictions thread. Let's keep the posts to what we think is going to happen in the next chapter and drop this argument for now. That includes those defending Kakashi, too.

DarkManSharingan32
February 20, 2006, 07:09 PM
Shadows, you make a very good point. Kakashi had been my favorite character for a while, but I didn't even consider the actions you listed above. Now I'm rethinking my opinion on the guy.

However, let's remember that this is a predictions thread. Let's keep the posts to what we think is going to happen in the next chapter and drop this argument for now. That includes those defending Kakashi, too.


~this post is ignored because it is far too hypocritical~


P.S.

Kyuubi will not go 5 tails...


lol

C4animax
February 20, 2006, 08:03 PM
First Kabuto seems to be a pretty damned good medical ninja from his small encounter with Kakashi. Plus am I the only one that thinks that Kabuto took the Rasengan on purpose so he could try and disconnect Naruto's chakra flow to his heart. The only reason he got so damaged is that he was cocky and thought he could take it and regenerate just fine.

I doubt Sakura is as strong as Tsunade right now as far as her punches are concerned. Tsunade has been training with the physical attacks her entire life, Sakura has had what 2 years? Sure Sakura has great chakra control, but she really has very little chakra potential. Plus even though Kabuto's weak points are taijutsu, he's probably still better than Sakura. Plus he could just use Ninjutsu and kill her easily. And no Kabuto isn't as good as Kakashi, just somewhat comparable. But this has gotten rather far off topic, so my prediction for next chapter is:


We don't know yet for sakura ninjutsu ability (well apart the fact that she can creat cure and remove poison at a very fast rate), we only saw the strengh she got, it could be in the interest of sakura who was trained by tsunade (who once fought kabuto)to know a lot of information about kabuto (especially since orochimaru and kabuto are related to sasuke) so yes we saw the great kabuto in action in front of kakashi, yes he s talented but we don't know anything about the training of sakura. Sakura cannot be as strong as tsunade (i mean she would be hokage then...) but she could be at a level good enough to equal kabuto.

What we saw about the fight against kakashi is that kabuto just flee which doesn't prove anything about his strengh...

People wondering about sai, he ll be doing something around orochimaru, check the link i've put before, someone said it, he could have just follow team 7 and he was surprise by naruto's power (he would have known about it if it was about naruto-kyubi) and on his bird we can see him saying something like : This is still naruto, maybe this is related with what he told him when they tried to capture yamato, he goes with everything he gots and then mess everything up.

Ps: If naruto goes 5 tails i think the story ends here...
Ps 1 : We should create topic about ninja's force so we can debate on it :p
ps 2 : Kakashi were there when naruto was down, he didn't follow sasuke just to save naruto.

donkeyhigh
February 20, 2006, 08:25 PM
Let me put it this way, Kakashi sucks because the guy contradicts his own rules as a Shinobi ::ahem:: "Those who break rules are trash, but those who leave their friends behind are worst then trash." now in comparison to that let's take a look at Kakashi.

He - A) Ignored Naruto

A) When did he ignore Naruto? And if he did, did he do it because he didn't care? Tried to be evil? Or just didn't have time to eat ramen?



Sub A) broke the rules by not being a fair teacher


Sub A) What do you mean? Try being a bit more presice?





Sub Sub A) all he ever taught Naruto was tree walking, when Sasuke recieved a curse seal from Orochimaru the guy got hyped up and focused on the Uchiha, not caring for a second to stop and think. That hey naruto has the Kyuubi, Orochimaru may not like the Kyuubi. Maybe he did something to Naruto, I may want to check up on him. We all know that Kyuubi is far more dangerous than a pathetic curse seal. But he didn't care.


Sub sub A)

First he only taugh Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke the tree walking, then started focusing on the Cursed Seal. Yes he did, because Sasuke is the last of the Uchia, and just think about it, what if Orochimaru got a hold of the Sharingan? The master of nin-jutsu gets the eye that can read all nin-jutsus? That would be great, now wouldn't it?
As for the part about Naruto, he knew that the 9-tail fox was sealed as it always had been, and it would stay that way, also Naruto didn't get the Cursed Seal (which means: I want your body!) , so he didn't bother because he knew there was nothing to be bothered about.
He then gave Naruto over to a teacher he thought would be more appropriate for Naruto than himself, and then trained Sasuke so he would be able to fight without using his Cursed Seal, which would make him gradually lose his soul.. Yeah, sounds like a real jerk..



B) Kakashi went against his words


B)
Well he doesn't have Naruto's "Way of the ninja", now does he?
When btw? You're really just not precice..



Sub B) He betrayed I'll bet to a degree the trust Naruto had in his teacher


Sub B) What? If I understand you correctly, I still don't understand what you mean, because I've never seen Kakashi betrayed Narutos trust for his superior.



Sub Sub B)Didn't acknowledge up front to Naruto of his deeds.


Sub sub B) What?



Sub Sub Sub B) Did he show up early to the Chuunin Exam to see Naruto's fight, no. I doubt he cared


Sub sub sub B)
"We weren't late for nothing" were his words during the fight of Gaara VS Sasuke, this means they used all their time, pluss more, as good as they could, constantly traning untill the last secound. He taught Sasuke an important jutsu for this match, he had to. He probably wanted to be there from the start, but oh my, did he instead use some extra time to avoid another person getting paralized by Gaara? He must be a evil evil man..




Sub Sub Sub Sub B) Too bad for the subbing, deal with it, Finally I'd been happier for the character's feelings of Naruto that the over-rated Copy Nin would've just said upfront to Naruto to cold and honest - brutal truth. Atleast that way Naruto wouldn't have become dependent on his teacher and then for all the kid did for his pupil he gets stabbed in the fucking back.

I seriously hate the guy, not a single bit of his feelings, morals or standards are worth considering as a basis for the guy to be left alive. As Gaara once said before him and Naruto fought I'll say it slightly changed "Kakashi you're a waste of human flesh and a disgrace to the village."



Sub sub sub sub B) He went against the Shinobi rules and cried when Obito died. He shows his respects to his grave, and he takes good care of his friends. When it really matters, Kakashi would risk it all.



Most of the thing mentioned are pure speculation, thoughts, meanings and repeatings by you, you don't have any proof.


Also, maby Kakashi DID take a little more interest in Uchia Sasuke, but I wouldn't blame him.
Kakashi has nothing! left, his best friend was killed before his eyes, any now he only lives to teach those under him the valueble lesson of friendship, and also tries to protect the village.

Anyway, Kakashis' friend, Obito, was a Uchia. And Sasuke is the only person left from the Uchia clan, allong with his evhull brother. Anyway, maby Kakashi sees a little of his friend Obito in Sasuke, and want's to be with him, or something weird like that. Also, they are the same as Kakashi once said, Sasuke and Kakashi are very alike, and they both have the Sharingan.
While Naruto is just like Jiraya, and they both knew this, and they splitted up in order to give both of the pupils the best training they could, through separation.

Sasuke needed traning from someone with the Sharingan, Kakashi's the man :D
Naruto needed training with someone as stupid as him, Jiraya's the man :D
Sakura.. well.. nobody really cares.. But Tsunade took care of her :D

And as C4animax said, Kakashi prioriteized Naruto over Sasuke after their little match in the waterfall.
Because Naruto needed emidiate help? Because he saw Sasuke as a missing nin? One of the bad-guys? We'll never know, but he did save Narutos life here.
The dog wanted to continue the search for Sasuke, while Kakashi wanted to help Naruto.



Also, Kakashi would have given his own life for Naruto in a split secound, and you know it. That's the reason why all the Kakashi-fans love him, because he acts all cool and stuff, but when the time comes, he's someone you can really rely on.

Don't decide things on your own because of your weird point of view.



Game over.


My ass..

johanna4life
February 20, 2006, 08:28 PM
Sooo guys, who do ya think would have won??
4 tails vs the sound all lv2 curse seal + a lv2 kimimaru all at the same time 8D!
4tails vs kakashi with the mangekyo s.XD
4tails vs arc 2 gaara,temari,Kankurō,Sakura,and sai all at the same time!!
4tails vs Itachi!
4tails vs kisame!!
feel free to predict in what way they would have fought and feel free to flame me!!

glasskatana
February 20, 2006, 09:02 PM
Sooo guys, who do ya think would have won?? 4 tails vs the sound all lv2 curse seal + a lv2 kimimaru all at the same time 8D!
4tails vs kakashi with the mangekyo s.XD
4tails vs arc 2 gaara,temari,Kankurō,Sakura,and sai all at the same time!!
4tails vs Itachi!
4tails vs kisame!!
feel free to predict in what way they would have fought and feel free to flame me!!

instead of doing that Why don't we try and predict whats gonna happen next chapter. and the voice in my head says," what a novel idea, trying to predict what's going to happen in chapter 296 within the predictions for 296 thread. It's brilliant! it's genius!!" well here it goes.

Kabuto watches the fight while smiling at Naruto's suffering/loss of control, Sakura runs to help Naruto while Kabuto smirks at her idiocy and Yamato runs after her to stop her/help Naruto. Thus we get a little glimpse into Sakura's mind ::I'll never let my friends be taken from me ever again:: or ::please Naruto I don't want to lose you too:: or ::I promised I would help him this time:: stuff like that. Than we see Naruto roar in pain and freaking fly at Oro. the end. most likely not gonna happen but at least its on-topic.

johanna4life
February 20, 2006, 09:07 PM
I tasted Thy Wrath!!

Ifuritas-fan
February 20, 2006, 09:40 PM
Pardon me, but I think you're not being entirely fair here. Most of the things said were very clear in my opinion.



A) When did he ignore Naruto? And if he did, did he do it because he didn't care? Tried to be evil? Or just didn't have time to eat ramen?
Sub A) What do you mean? Try being a bit more presice
Sub sub A)
First he only taugh Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke the tree walking, then started focusing on the Cursed Seal. Yes he did, because Sasuke is the last of the Uchia, and just think about it, what if Orochimaru got a hold of the Sharingan? The master of nin-jutsu gets the eye that can read all nin-jutsus? That would be great, now wouldn't it?
As for the part about Naruto, he knew that the 9-tail fox was sealed as it always had been, and it would stay that way, also Naruto didn't get the Cursed Seal (which means: I want your body!) , so he didn't bother because he knew there was nothing to be bothered about.He then gave Naruto over to a teacher he thought would be more appropriate for Naruto than himself, and then trained Sasuke so he would be able to fight without using his Cursed Seal, which would make him gradually lose his soul.. Yeah, sounds like a real jerk..


While I'm not so emotionally invested as the original poster (I don't even slightly hate Kakashi) I do see his point that you seem to be deliberately pretending not to understand.
A.Ignored Naruto - Meaning that he ran off to train Sasuke and ONLY Sasuke. Any teacher that neglects their entire class for one pupil has broken the basic tenant of being a teacher. That being that all students are special and all students deserve as much time as you can give them. You don't abandon your charges just because you prefer one student. In fact you should never show one student preference over another because in so doing you are telling the neglected student that they really aren't important to you. I've taught... have you? If not, I think I see where the disconnect is.
)A is the same as A to be honest... so I can see where some confusion lies. Original poster is not very organized I'm afraid.
But the point being is that Kakashi betrayed his own Nindo (that those who break the rules are trash.. but those that abandon their comrades are worse than trash. In the classroom the teacher is merely the leader, but he or she is working with the students... thus they are comrades. He abandoned Naruto (and sakura to a degree even though she was knocked out of the finals) as a comrade, shame on him.
))A.<snip> when Sasuke recieved a curse seal from Orochimaru the guy got hyped up and focused on the Uchiha, not caring for a second to stop and think. <snip> to which your reply is dismissive. But here's the thing... I think you're forgetting some things
First, Kakashi already showed that he knew that the seals on Kyuubi were NOT PERFECT. How? First, because Naruto was able to draw on the Kyuubi's chakra in his battle with Haku. second, because he showed that he was able to perform a seal on Oro's seal.. but cautioned Sasuke about the fact that it was not perfect and could fail. So the original poster, while not really very eloquant about saying it.. has a very good point. As to the issue of Sasuke being the last Uchiha... so what. Being an uchiha means that he deserves special attention? Ummmm.. no... again... teachers are not supposed to show favoritism, ever. As to curse seal == "I want your body" ummmm... no... curse seal != "I want your body" just ask Anko about that, and the sound 5. It means "I want to make you my servent"

I won't get into the B stuff because all that needed saying was the A stuff really.
but your comments of

Sasuke needed traning from someone with the Sharingan, Kakashi's the man :D
Naruto needed training with someone as stupid as him, Jiraya's the man :D
Sakura.. well.. nobody really cares.. But Tsunade took care of her :D

Are flip and don't really address the situation except in a historically revisionist way.
Yes Sasuke needed training from a Sharingan user... but this doesn't EXCUSE him from his responsibilities as a teacher. He got his team into the exam when they were a year too early for it, it was his responsibility to ensure the best possible training for ALL of his charges.

Insulting Naruto like you did does nothing but show bias on your part... and a dismissive attitude. Shame on you for that. But even more importantly, it wasn't Kakashi that made that decision anyway. Instead he stuck Naruto with someone wholly unsuitable for his training. The guy was physically weak, where Naruto is a stamina freak. You don't have a fencing teacher teach someone who is by their nature antithetical to a finesse style like that. Now if he'd gone and GOT jiraiya to teach Naruto.. you'd have an actual point. But he didn't ... so you're wrong.

As to Sakura.. Geeze louise... talk about selective memory... She didn't go to Tsunade for training till AFTER Sasuke had already joined Oro. Talk about being Mister Openbarndoor McHorseleftalready.



And as C4animax said, Kakashi prioriteized Naruto over Sasuke after their little match in the waterfall.
Because Naruto needed emidiate help? Because he saw Sasuke as a missing nin? One of the bad-guys? We'll never know, but he did save Narutos life here.
The dog wanted to continue the search for Sasuke, while Kakashi wanted to help Naruto.


You act like he had a choice right there.. Kakashi recognized that he'd failed bigtime with Sasuke and was trying to minimize the damage in terms of lives lost. He had Naruto right there... and had felt the Kyuubi Chakra lowing like water right before then. If he left Naruto to die, he'd not only again betray his own nindo(leaving a friend to die), but he'd also be leaving open the possibility that Kyuubi would get free and go and rampage all over Konoha for all he knew. So he did the correct thing... he let a traitor go so that he could save the people that he admitted to himself that he'd failed. He had injured gennin out there, and a potentially dying Naruto right in front of him. He had no choice.

As to his pov being weird... Well, I'd not really thought about it from the original poster's standpoint before, but as another poster said... his points have made me have to re-evaluate Kakashi's position.

On review, I see that Kakashi did violate the teaching code... and did play favorites... and he should be ashamed of himself for doing so. In fact he should go to Naruto and Sakura and appologize and attempt to make ammends. That's what a responsible person would do. As to the late thing... hey.. all that needs to be said is that he's Kakashi... he's late for everything.

Do I dislike Kakashi because he failed to do his duty by his charges? Nope... he's still too cool to dislike like that. He's human, so we can sut him some slack. But I hope he's learned a lesson about favoritism... that it has no place in a team.

C4animax
February 20, 2006, 10:06 PM
instead of doing that Why don't we try and predict whats gonna happen next chapter. and the voice in my head says," what a novel idea, trying to predict what's going to happen in chapter 296 within the predictions for 296 thread. It's brilliant! it's genius!!" well here it goes.


I think people here have been manipulated by kyubi's power, they are now mindless people going out of a rampage to talk about kakashi on a thread that is supposed to have Predictions for next chapter...but i like your idea of making prediction lol...

Any one have an idea of what sai could be doing with oro? :D


ps : Guys since you got a lot of things to say i propose you create a topic named : Kakashi, Hero or bastard? So you can chat about that guy there, you may also remember that kakashi has been created by mishimoto, he is supposed to be the cool teacher (as cool as yondaime i guess) and there is enough reason to discuss about why or not he did what he did in another topic (do it know it you"ll be lucky enough to get your post sticked and you will be famous!!!).

Ps : my english is terrible lol :tem

Ifuritas-fan
February 20, 2006, 10:52 PM
I think people here have been manipulated by kyubi's power, they are now mindless people going out of a rampage to talk about kakashi on a thread that is supposed to have Predictions for next chapter...but i like your idea of making prediction lol...



Good point, I agree... more than enough said on the issue.

Predictions.

Naruto reverses the battle... and puts Oro on the defensive again.
Likely he'll grab the Kusanagi sword by the blade and starts swinging it into trees and stuff. Oro will either spit it out... or get pounded into stuff.

But either way, I think this chapter we'll see Naruto turn the tables on Oro, maybe even actually wound him with something that he can't just shed a skin over.
Maybe he bites Oro with those wicked looking teeth of his and actually wounds Oro.

Also, KN4 says something other than make animal sounds.... indicating that he's at least partway in control still.


That's all.

KRNseraphim
February 20, 2006, 10:52 PM
kyuubi naruto is gonna continue to go beserk i'm hoping we'll see some more free minded chakra but iono a nasty feeling in me is telling me a talking episode is on the way >_<

btw that kakashi stuff...what the guy originally posted aobut kakashi being a bad guy is an idiot and sees everything in a pessimistic way...kakashi was told to prioritize on sasuke by jirayia so thats all that really needs to be said

Reui
February 20, 2006, 10:54 PM
This wont happen but the way id like to see it go would be:

Enter day dream scene with Naruto and sasuke standing in water like before:

Sasuke: Your pathetic.
Naruto: sasuke......
Sasuke: Your a loser who will never be hokage.
Sasuke: A Hokage is the defender of an entire village, you couldnt even defend me.
Sasuke: A hokage is in control of his entire village, you cant even control yourself.
Sasuke: A hokage protects his entire village, you cant even protect Sakura.

(Flash to sakura being attacked by kabuto)
Sasuke: Your a failure.

(Flash to Naruto clenching his fists)
Naruto: Im done failing.

(Kyuubi's form begins to become more Human until only Naruto's original form remains)
Orochimaru: his chakra.... its different...who is this kid?

(naruto returns to 4 chakra tail mode, however his body is now covered with a Silver chakra replacing the Red)

Orochimaru: hes controling the kyuubi and fusing there Chakra together...
Orochimaru: Heh he might even be able to give sasuke trouble.

(Last Page with Naruto Pointing at Orochimaru)

Naruto: To save sasuke, Ill kill you.

donkeyhigh
February 20, 2006, 11:01 PM
Okay, Ifuritas-fan, I read everything you wrote, word for word, and I agree with most of what you're saying, actually. Yes, believe it, I actually do.
One of the main reasons is because, hey, I could actually understand what you said, not what you were trying to say, but what you actually wrote and said. And yes, some of those things are proven in the series, and yes, your facts are right, and that is why of course I agree.

Also, you asked me why I deliberatly acted as if I didn't understand one of the points of the original poster? Well, it wasn't an act, believe you me, I tried to understand.
And maby I just got a little irritated because it seemed as if all his statements were made out of thin air.
If you're going to write a list of facts, please let them be facts, with a backup note and prefrebly with a qoute or chapter-number to check if it's correct..
Anyway, I can't say I agree with both your statements of Kakashi being a bad mentor and tutor or teacher, whatever. I think he's done a great job. Also, he's talked with Jiraya several times in order to get updates on Naruto, how he's doing, the progress and the state of the seal.

Kakashi behaves more as a friend instead of a teacher with strict rules, this is the way he teaches his sub-ordinates, and it seems to be effective.
He does what fits the situation best, and executes in a proper manner.
Also, remember, Kakashi's probably a bit rusty on the teaching-act, as he's never let anyone become his pupils before, because of his nindo.


Kakashi's late for everyone, not just Naruto.

It's really not that hard to see. If you look away from all the facts (yeah, you read right) , Kakashi is teh best mentor ever.
He knows what he's doing. It seems you guys are just stuck on a thought, and always see the bad side of Kakashi..
Or maby it's just me being to nice.. hell, I even started thinking that maby Itachi was a great person a day here.. same thing about Kabuto and Sasuke, maby they were all just playing an act..

Oh, and the Kabuto-thing, he saved Hinata for NO REASON what so ever during the Neji vs Naruto fight! So maby he has some kindness in his heart afterall..


Ehm, back on topic, I might be a jerk and whatnot, but I like Kakashi, and I think the few points pointed out to show us that Kakashi is a shemale are just too weak..
But hey, that's just my oppinion, you can say whatever you want about it..



You act like he had a choice right there.. Kakashi recognized that he'd failed bigtime with Sasuke and was trying to minimize the damage in terms of lives lost. He had Naruto right there... and had felt the Kyuubi Chakra lowing like water right before then. If he left Naruto to die, he'd not only again betray his own nindo(leaving a friend to die), but he'd also be leaving open the possibility that Kyuubi would get free and go and rampage all over Konoha for all he knew. So he did the correct thing... he let a traitor go so that he could save the people that he admitted to himself that he'd failed.  He had injured gennin out there, and a potentially dying Naruto right in front of him. He had no choice.


He had a choise, to go against his own nindo, but he didn't. The original poster said he didn't care for his nindo, but it appears he does anyway. Oh, and the small fact that he cares for his subordinates might have been a small factor here.
He didn't save Naruto because of the Kyubi, as he knows if Naruto dies, the Kyubi dies with him, that's just a stupid claim.
"Anyway, Naruto is more important than following Sasuke" - Inane.


Open your eyes and see that Kakashi cares about all in his team.
He's throwed Sakura out of the way in order to take the hit himself before.
He stopped Naruto and Sasuke in their fight, so they wouldn't hit her.
He also risked his life as a kid in order to save his teammate-girl after Obito died.

chauron
February 20, 2006, 11:01 PM
If Sakura stands up now, and sais "All I need is one finger.." I'll start laughing so hard I'll cry.. that'd be awsome :D

No seriously, Kabuto is said to be as strong as Kakashi, however we all know noone is as strong as Kakashi, as he is the greatest ninja the world have ever seen. However, Kabuto is still strong.
But some times strong just doesn't cut it, Sakura is smarter, and has a much stronger will-power. I.e. Naruto VS Neji..
oh shit, gotta go.. work..



Mmm'm maybe.

But remember that it was CHIYO who made her look so good in the fight against Sasori ;  she was the one to be @ kage level, even to revive her from death. And, with those strings and stuff like that she was able to make Sakura into a deadly weapon that can smash even member of akatsuki. BUT, without chiyo ... i doubt Sakura is more than a "mere" chuunin and will be outclassed in the real all-out battle.

( yesh, i'm a sakurafan but lets not make her too superior )

donkeyhigh
February 20, 2006, 11:19 PM
This wont happen but the way id like to see it go would be:

Enter day dream scene with Naruto and sasuke standing in water like before:

Sasuke: Your pathetic.
Naruto: sasuke......
Sasuke: Your a loser who will never be hokage.
Sasuke: A Hokage is the defender of an entire village, you couldnt even defend me.
Sasuke: A hokage is in control of his entire village, you cant even control yourself.
Sasuke: A hokage protects his entire village, you cant even protect Sakura.

(Flash to sakura being attacked by kabuto)
Sasuke: Your a failure.

(Flash to Naruto clenching his fists)
Naruto: Im done failing.

(Kyuubi's form begins to become more Human until only Naruto's original form remains)
Orochimaru: his chakra.... its different...who is this kid?

(naruto returns to 4 chakra tail mode, however his body is now covered with a Silver chakra replacing the Red)

Orochimaru: hes controling the kyuubi and fusing there Chakra together...
Orochimaru: Heh he might even be able to give sasuke trouble.

(Last Page with Naruto Pointing at Orochimaru)

Naruto: To save sasuke, Ill kill you.


*shivers*
sounds sexy :D[br]Posted at: February 20, 2006, 08:03:30 PM_________________________________________________

Mmm'm maybe.

But remember that it was CHIYO who made her look so good in the fight against Sasori ;  she was the one to be @ kage level, even to revive her from death. And, with those strings and stuff like that she was able to make Sakura into a deadly weapon that can smash even member of akatsuki. BUT, without chiyo ... i doubt Sakura is more than a "mere" chuunin and will be outclassed in the real all-out battle.

( yesh, i'm a sakurafan but lets not make her too superior )


Yeah, but she's still hot. Have you seen the new outro on the anime? Well, she's totally cute there :D That HAS to be worth something..

No :p I understand what you mean, but still, Grandma-sama wouldn't have had a chance without Sakuras antidote and powers.

glasskatana
February 20, 2006, 11:25 PM
This wont happen but the way id like to see it go would be:

Enter day dream scene with Naruto and sasuke standing in water like before:

Sasuke: Your pathetic.
Naruto: sasuke......
Sasuke: Your a loser who will never be hokage.
Sasuke: A Hokage is the defender of an entire village, you couldnt even defend me.
Sasuke: A hokage is in control of his entire village, you cant even control yourself.
Sasuke: A hokage protects his entire village, you cant even protect Sakura.

(Flash to sakura being attacked by kabuto)
Sasuke: Your a failure.

(Flash to Naruto clenching his fists)
Naruto: Im done failing.

(Kyuubi's form begins to become more Human until only Naruto's original form remains)
Orochimaru: his chakra.... its different...who is this kid?

(naruto returns to 4 chakra tail mode, however his body is now covered with a Silver chakra replacing the Red)

Orochimaru: hes controling the kyuubi and fusing there Chakra together...
Orochimaru: Heh he might even be able to give sasuke trouble.

(Last Page with Naruto Pointing at Orochimaru)

Naruto: To save sasuke, Ill kill you.

A valiant effort as that kind of thing does happen quite a lot of manga. Plus you're actually making a prediction. Horray!! The whole daydream thing I like. The thing where Naruto becomes more conscious of himself I like. the controll of the chakra and possible fusion with Naruto's own chakra I would also like to see and I believe will happen throughout the series but hopefully with the help of Yamato's jutsu as well as protecting Sakura etc.

But I don't want the kyuubi chakra to completely dissapear as it comes with perks. Extendable, unreadable, incredibly hot chakra that defends and attacks is a pretty useful power.The chakra shroud dissappearing, returning, and turning silver I don't approve of. Orochimaru complimenting him is something I felt was seriously out of character, so was the part where Oro says 'who is this kid?'. I doubt that's gonna be coming out of Oro's mouth, as the only things that comes out of his mouth are insults, snakes, swords, and... himself. Creepy. Lastly, I don't think Naruto needs to re-emphasize why he wants to kill Oro, he just needs to kill him. (I'M NOT SAYING I WANT ORO TO DIE... yet)

All and all a pretty good prediction but it has some problems.

P.S Also it's a tad too corny for my tastes but thats just what fight moments in manga are, corny.

Gold Knight
February 20, 2006, 11:35 PM
I realize that the topic is back on track again, but all the same --- don't forget that this is a Predictions thread, guys, for the NEXT chapter. ;)

After skimming through some of the last few pages it seems pretty clear to me most of your conversation would have been better off in the Mega Convo here. There's one advantage if you do it over there - you'll never get told that you're going off-topic and you can keep talking about it forever if you want.

Oh yeah, to all the Kakashi nay-sayers, sorry, Kakashi > you. XD :kkbook

Reui
February 21, 2006, 12:09 AM
A valiant effort as that kind of thing does happen quite a lot of manga. Plus you're actually making a prediction. Horray!! The whole daydream thing I like. The thing where Naruto becomes more conscious of himself I like. the controll of the chakra and possible fusion with Naruto's own chakra I would also like to see and I believe will happen throughout the series but hopefully with the help of Yamato's jutsu as well as protecting Sakura etc.

But I don't want the kyuubi chakra to completely dissapear as it comes with perks. Extendable, unreadable, incredibly hot chakra that defends and attacks is a pretty useful power.The chakra shroud dissappearing, returning, and turning silver I don't approve of. Orochimaru complimenting him is something I felt was seriously out of character, so was the part where Oro says 'who is this kid?'. I doubt that's gonna be coming out of Oro's mouth, as the only things that comes out of his mouth are insults, snakes, swords, and... himself. Creepy. Lastly, I don't think Naruto needs to re-emphasize why he wants to kill Oro, he just needs to kill him. (I'M NOT SAYING I WANT ORO TO DIE... yet)

All and all a pretty good prediction but it has some problems.

P.S Also it's a tad too corny for my tastes but thats just what fight moments in manga are, corny.


I could see oro saying that, it seems somethign that he wouldnt normally say, but i also think he would be completely caught off guard by naruto subduing the Kyuubi's rage and basically having complete control over the Kyuubi's Chakra by fusing it with his own. This would also give KN4 naruto alot more depth since he would be capable of executing jutsu's however his power would probably be weakened since it would be like watered down kyuubi chakra.

Edit: I also believe its about time they scaled back Naruto's power, hes becoming way too powerful way too fast and this would be a way to do that. Allowing him to trade Raw power for the ability to control himself. And Naruto repeats himself all the time its not like it would be some shocker if thats how they ended a manga edition.

glasskatana
February 21, 2006, 01:05 AM
Whoa, I wasn't criticizing you, I actually liked the basic idea of your prediction. I also really like the daydream aspect. One of the possibilities in my mind for the next chapter consisted of a similar daydream that would recount all of Naruto's dreams and goals. The only difference was that in my mind the dream would be brought on by Naruto becoming incapacitated. Let me explain to you what I MOST want to see in the next chapter.

First page: Naruto is pinned to ground somehow Maybe by the sword. Yamato runs up and performs a seal by retracing the fourth's seal with his own blood and then performing his own jutsu.

Next page: The kyuubi within Naruto doesn't like this very much as it realizes that its power is being limited and fights back. The fighting between Kyuubi chakra and the seal knocks Naruto out and makes his body start convulsing. We see the mental aspect of Naruto within the kyuubi's cage again. Naruto sees the dream sequence that you described.



Enter day dream scene with Naruto and sasuke standing in water like before:
Sasuke: Your pathetic.
Naruto: sasuke......
Sasuke: Your a loser who will never be hokage.
Sasuke: A Hokage is the defender of an entire village, you couldnt even defend me.
Sasuke: A hokage is in control of his entire village, you cant even control yourself.
Sasuke: A hokage protects his entire village, you cant even protect Sakura.

During this Sakura runs up to Naruto's unconscious body and starts desperately tring to help him.

After dream sequence page: Mental aspect Naruto looks at the fox and says something along the lines of "you stupid fox this is my body not yours. I'm the one using you not the other way around."

the kyuubi says "without me you do not have the power to save your friends or protect those who are precious to you. What can you do without me."

Naruto says "you really are a stupid fox, I'm still gonna use your power only now..."

The next page Naruto is covered by the chakra shroud with four tails except its no longer opaque (we can clearly see Naruto's form like when he's using 1-3 tails). Naruto grabs Sakura's shoulder to stand up. Sakura is looking at him with a surprised expression.
He stands up straight even with the shroud and finishes the sentence by saying to Oro (while we get a close-up of Naruto's eyes) "I'm in control."

Ifuritas-fan
February 21, 2006, 01:32 AM
Okay, Ifuritas-fan, I read everything you wrote, word for word, and I agree with most of what you're saying, actually. Yes, believe it, I actually do.
One of the main reasons is because, hey, I could actually understand what you said, not what you were trying to say, but what you actually wrote and said. And yes, some of those things are proven in the series, and yes, your facts are right, and that is why of course I agree.


Thanks... It takes a big person to say things like that. That said... I went back and looked at the original posters comments and realized something , much to my embarassed chagrin. You're entirely right... the original poster was nearly incoherent. The only reason I feel I could understand him so well is that I am an ex-linguist (used to work as a cryptologic linguist for the USAF). It reads like something from a non-native speaker of english. I was used to translating english written by people for whom English is a second language... so it was clear to me... but it's VERY easy to see why someone else might look at it... scratch their head and go "WTF?!"



Also, you asked me why I deliberatly acted as if I didn't understand one of the points of the original poster? Well, it wasn't an act, believe you me, I tried to understand.
And maby I just got a little irritated because it seemed as if all his statements were made out of thin air.

No need to appologize for that...totally understandable in retrospect.


If you're going to write a list of facts, please let them be facts, with a backup note and prefrebly with a qoute or chapter-number to check if it's correct..
Anyway, I can't say I agree with both your statements of Kakashi being a bad mentor and tutor or teacher, whatever. I think he's done a great job. Also, he's talked with Jiraya several times in order to get updates on Naruto, how he's doing, the progress and the state of the seal.

I definately agree with that statement in post timeskip. He's the very model of a good leader and teacher now. The one thing that I've seen about Kakashi is that he actually learns from his mistakes. Obito taught him a valuable lesson.

Oh.. and as to making a list... Yo... original poster(not pjoto) lists go like this

1. A primary point (numeric)
<tab> a. sub point(lower case alphabetical)
<tab><tab> i.sub sub point (part of sub point a.) (roman numeral)
<tab><tab>ii.sub sub point (still part of sub point a.)
<tab> b. new sub point
2. New primary point
etc.

You can't drill down like you did without hving two or more of each. Your list was totally confusing to just about everyone I think.
So it's totally easy to see why pjoto had a serious problem understanding anything you said.



Kakashi behaves more as a friend instead of a teacher with strict rules, this is the way he teaches his sub-ordinates, and it seems to be effective.
He does what fits the situation best, and executes in a proper manner.
Also, remember, Kakashi's probably a bit rusty on the teaching-act, as he's never let anyone become his pupils before, because of his nindo.
Kakashi's late for everyone, not just Naruto.

Yep... I said the same thing in the post As to the late thing... hey.. all that needs to be said is that he's Kakashi... he's late for everything.



It seems you guys are just stuck on a thought, and always see the bad side of Kakashi..

Maybe the original poster did... but I don't think he's entirely rational though. Llike I said..I most certainly DO NOT hate Kakashi, I think he's one of the coolest and funniest characters in the series. He's got depth, but isn't dark. Kakashi's human... human beings make mistakes. He shows remorser and growth. If anything he learns more from his mistakes than anyone. Obito was one mistake, Sasuke's another. But look at his growth because of both of them.


Oh, and the Kabuto-thing, he saved Hinata for NO REASON what so ever during the Neji vs Naruto fight! So maby he has some kindness in his heart afterall..


Actually heh... that's something I've been harping on for ages. There's tons of things about some of these characters that don't add up... but that hint at something deeper going on.

Kabuto's saving Hinata... and putting people to sleep but not killing anyone... Plus, his not killing Tsunade when he had the chance... all these things seem to add up to him being Jiraiya's spy(at least in my mind they add up to it)... and that he's going to later turn out to be loyal to the leaf in the end. (Maybe I'm too optimistic) Thats one prediciton I'm sticking by till proven otherwise.

The other prediction is a longshot because Oro is my favorite villian, but involvs the current battle. I predict that we'll find out that the Kusanagi sword is the repository for the Orochi...kinda like the cast iron teakettle was where Shukaku was stored before he was put in Gaara. Aand that Orochimaru found it decades ago when he was still in Konoha. Bear me out here and you'll see what I'm getting at.

In the original story "The Gallent Jiraiya" published in the 1850's, Orochimaru was originally a close friend of Jiraiya, but he fell under the spell of a serpent and became evil. If Oro found the sword in Konoha, and tried to tap it's power, it's possible that he's actually nothing put a puppet of Orochi. And that that would explain why he shed a tear for Sarutobi... and why Sarutobi saw him in his still innocent state when he died.
What a twist this will be if I'm right. Imagine, Naruto or Jiraiya (more likely Jiraiya) breaks the Kusanagi... and the spirit of the Orochi departs it and flees... and Orochimaru screams, collapses, and starts to weep... Not for the loss... but for what he'd been forced to do for all those decades. It'd be a twist to the story to end all twists. But yeah, Oro is my fav villian... so of course I wanna see him redeemed. I'm biased that way.



Ehm, back on topic, I might be a jerk and whatnot, but I like Kakashi, and I think the few points pointed out to show us that Kakashi is a shemale are just too weak..
But hey, that's just my oppinion, you can say whatever you want about it..

Guess I'm a jerk too because I like him too. He makes mistakes, but he comes back 10 times or a hundred times better.
His one failing is stamina. The guy throws everything into what he does, and seems to end up in the hospital each time.


Open your eyes and see that Kakashi cares about all in his team.
<snip of wonderful examples>


Whoa... whoa... no need... no need. I'm totally there with you. Kakashi is one of my best loved characters as well... and like I said.. I'd not even considered the points the original poster put up until I read em... I just read em and went... hey! he's right... he did mess up pretty bad there. Thats all. Doesn't mean I hate him or like him any less... just that I saw it from a different perspective... and saw that he'd made some poor choices. But lets be honest, all the characters have made poor choices.

Sasuke for example... going to Oro. Real smart choice there, huh? If he'd figured out Naruto had Kyuubi in him, maybe he'd have stayed and demanded Jiraiya train him too. Naruto is the perfect training rival. He's got neigh until unlimited stamina, massive and growing chakra reserves, and he's got the drive to help Sasuke push ahead faster. Besides being the perfect bait for Itachi.

Imagine if that would have happened? Sasuke and Naruto demanding more and more training from him... or them bitching up a storm that they weren't being trained enough. Jiraiya would have an ulcer within 2 years.

lentharius
February 21, 2006, 01:42 AM
What a twist this will be if I'm right. Imagine, Naruto or Jiraiya (more likely Jiraiya) breaks the Kusanagi... and the spirit of the Orochi departs it and flees... and Orochimaru screams, collapses, and starts to weep... Not for the loss... but for what he'd been forced to do for all those decades. It'd be a twist to the story to end all twists. But yeah, Oro is my fav villian... so of course I wanna see him redeemed. I'm biased that way.

Wow, I really really like that scenario. Especially because it answered a question that I wondered what people thought turned Orochimaru evil in the first place and got ignored in the Mega Convo.


Enter day dream scene with Naruto and sasuke standing in water like before:
Sasuke: Your pathetic.
Naruto: sasuke......
Sasuke: Your a loser who will never be hokage.
Sasuke: A Hokage is the defender of an entire village, you couldnt even defend me.
Sasuke: A hokage is in control of his entire village, you cant even control yourself.
Sasuke: A hokage protects his entire village, you cant even protect Sakura.

Ok I guess I'm just coming in to applaud people, but I also love the idea of this flashback sequence as well, that's a great prediction and I hope it happens.

Reui
February 21, 2006, 02:46 AM
i figured id add to my little prediction and expand it:

Yamato: Damn that wound orochimaru inflicted has only served to infuriate the Kyuubi.
Yamato: if i dont act fast the seal could break and all Konoha would be in danger.

(yamato preforms a control jutsu)

Yamato: Damn hes become too strong, Naruto if your in there help me.

Enter day dream scene with Naruto and sasuke standing in water like before:

Sasuke: Your pathetic.
Naruto: sasuke......
Sasuke: Your a loser who will never be hokage.
Sasuke: A Hokage is the defender of an entire village, you couldnt even defend me.
Sasuke: A hokage is in control of his entire village, you cant even control yourself.
Sasuke: A hokage protects his entire village, you cant even protect Sakura.

(Flash to fake vision of sakura being attacked by kabuto)
Sasuke: Your a failure.

(Flash to Naruto clenching his fists)
Naruto: Im done failing.

(Kyuubi's form begins to become more Human until only Naruto's original form remains)
Orochimaru: his chakra.... its different...

(naruto returns to 4 chakra tail mode, however his body is now covered with a dark blue chakra replacing the Red)

Orochimaru: hes controling the kyuubi and fusing there Chakra together...
Orochimaru: Heh he might even be able to give sasuke trouble.

(second Last Page with Naruto preforming hand seals)
Naruto: Jiraiya i know im not ready but i cant wait any longer i have to use it.

Sakura: Yamato you did it you saved naruto.
Yamato: No, my jutsu failed. That is some kid.

-----------------------------

Edit: This would never ever happen but:

Last page is a picture of a heavy concealed Sasuke.
Sasuke: So genjutsu even affects him in the Kyuubi form.

ShadwsofArchonia
February 21, 2006, 03:11 AM
Oh yeah, to all the Kakashi nay-sayers, sorry, Kakashi > you. XD :kkbook

I say you're abusing your power as a Mod to do that, but that's just me. I still think the guy is over-rated. He may have his good points, whatever they are, but like Orochimaru, like Sasuke, Like Neji before he got his ass kicked, he's over-rated.

Repetition is the key to winning the battle or the good ol' Orioke will do fine.

296 - Seriously I wanna see Sai try to interfere and then get batted away like he deserves to be. Also, I wanna see more of that flashback that Jirayia was talking about and how the necklace plays into all this. Also for once in Naruto manga I am happy to say to Orochimaru - "Ruuun bitch Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuun!" as pjoto's icon text truly says.

Please read my signature text and comment. Thank ye. Oooh and for a small price of 700,000 dollars I shall tell someone my fake IP

glasskatana
February 21, 2006, 04:17 AM
Hey shadwsofArchonia you think I can't tell that word before IP is 'fake'. Nice try. I was just about to pay your 700,000 dollar fee. veeeery clever.
Anyway, I just can't imagine kyuubi chakra being any other color but red Red is just my favorite color. As for the Kusanagi harboring the snake spirit that took Oro over prediction, that's a GREAT idea. There's just one teensy problem. Oro, as seen in several flashbacks and mentionings, was always kinda evil. Sandaime saying he always sensed ambition and evil within him, chapter 122, that time where he Oro insensitively remarked on the appearance of Tsunade's brother's corpse, chapter 160. That time where Morino Ibiki said he felt Oro wasn't human, chapter 116. All these things happened before Oro betrayed the village.

So allow me to revise your theory. Oro always had a great ambition within him. This lust for power led Oro to live a dark life, however he was never evil enough to betray the leaf or his comrades. Until he found the kusanagi. The spirit held within it was simply a shard soul and chakra of the 8 headed snake. However that shard corrupted Oro's soul almost past recognition and drove Oro to the ideal that he could gain the greatest power if he could sever himself from humanity.

Thus Oro began his experiments on humans and eventually became something practically inhuman. He became a being comprised of nothing but his soul. Something that would take over the bodies of others. This is why Oro still has all the memories of pre-take-over.

So how this could tie into predictions. Well perhaps if a shard of a bijuu's soul/chakra is within the kusanagi, yamato will come in and kick some ass while Oro is wielding it by turning it against him in a very creative way. This would tie in very nicely since Yamato is the name of one of the heroes in japanese mythology who wields the kusanagi. When I realized this I got a very good feeling. Tell me your thoughts on this.

Tanuki-dono
February 21, 2006, 04:45 AM
Amazing. I'm gone a few days, and this place is overflowing with creativity and ingenius theories! 

I'm at a loss regarding what I should contribute to this conversation since so much has been said.  Perhaps, I'll touch upon my hopes...  My main hope is that Sakura will play more of a role next time.  Yamato mentioned that what he really needed was an opening, and at this point I'm really cautious of relying on someone like Sai to create one.  And even if Orochimaru is performing so cunningly, he may not even be enough to create a sufficient one fo Yamato to act.  (Besides, if Yamato rushed out in the middle of this fight, he'd have to deal with two enemies - Kyuubi *and* Orochimaru.) 

I'm a little worried for Sakura.  She has become fiercely protective of her "brother" Naruto, and I don't think that the current situation is going over well in her mind, especially after loosing her other teammate, Sasuke.  The sprinkled words like "selfless" and whatnot really have me on edge.  Although, from a dramatic standpoint, I really think that injury to Sakura might really add some conflict for Naruto's mind (after he wakes up, of course). 

After all, I've always been a bit bothered about the situation with Jiraiya.  When Naruto was beginning to release the Kyuubi chakra [against Orochimaru], he wasn't panicking or even terribly worried - just out of control.  I have to wonder if he's even aware of the damage he afflicted on Jiraiya before.  (I don't see how he couldn't be, but thus far we haven't seen any introspection on Naruto's part regarding this.  Did Jiraiya keep it from him?  I wish Kishimoto would let us in on the exact circumstances.) 

Anyway, back to Sakura.  I found the fact that she was knocked out near the beginning of this fight a little strange.  I was able to see its purpose - to let the reader know how out-of-control Naruto was, but the bump didn't really lead to much.  She woke up so quickly, after all.  I wonder if the small injury foreshadows a more severe one?  It certainly might make Sai twitch to watch it unfold.  I want a dramatic display of something to get through to that kid.  We'll see.  I want something good to happen, that's all I 'm saying.  Whether that's Sakura getting flung like a rag doll or Orochimaru gettting his neck twisted all the way around...I don't care.  I would like some advancement!

hatakescarecrow
February 21, 2006, 06:43 AM
Amazing. I'm gone a few days, and this place is overflowing with creativity and ingenius theories!  I'm at a loss regarding what I should contribute to this conversation since so much has been said.  Perhaps, I'll touch upon my hopes...  My main hope is that Sakura will play more of a role next time.  Yamato mentioned that what he really needed was an opening, and at this point I'm really cautious of relying on someone like Sai to create one.  And even if Orochimaru is performing so cunningly, he may not even be enough to create a sufficient one fo Yamato to act.  (Besides, if Yamato rushed out in the middle of this fight, he'd have to deal with two enemies - Kyuubi *and* Orochimaru.)  I'm a little worried for Sakura.  She has become fiercely protective of her "brother" Naruto, and I don't think that the current situation is going over well in her mind, especially after loosing her other teammate, Sasuke.  The sprinkled words like "selfless" and whatnot really have me on edge.  Although, from a dramatic standpoint, I really think that injury to Sakura might really add some conflict for Naruto's mind (after he wakes up, of course).  After all, I've always been a bit bothered about the situation with Jiraiya.  When Naruto was beginning to release the Kyuubi chakra [against Orochimaru], he wasn't panicking or even terribly worried - just out of control.  I have to wonder if he's even aware of the damage he afflicted on Jiraiya before.  (I don't see how he couldn't be, but thus far we haven't seen any introspection on Naruto's part regarding this.  Did Jiraiya keep it from him?  I wish Kishimoto would let us in on the exact circumstances.)  Anyway, back to Sakura.  I found the fact that she was knocked out near the beginning of this fight a little strange.  I was able to see its purpose - to let the reader know how out-of-control Naruto was, but the bump didn't really lead to much.  She woke up so quickly, after all.  I wonder if the small injury foreshadows a more severe one?  It certainly might make Sai twitch to watch it unfold.  I want a dramatic display of something to get through to that kid.  We'll see.  I want something good to happen, that's all I 'm saying.  Whether that's Sakura getting flung like a rag doll or Orochimaru gettting his neck twisted all the way around...I don't care.  I would like some advancement!


Pretty much agrees with u but i wished u paragraphed though. It strains my eyes just reading it.

Now on to kakashi haters
1st. of all, he trained sasuke because Obito was in the same clan as sasuke.If anything he would help sasuke and train him because that would be what obito wanted him to do.
2nd. Jiraiya clearly stated that he wanted to train naruto and ordered kakashi to help sasuke to develop his sharingan's powers.
        Unless there are other sharingan users kakashi would have the job right?
3rd. If he did not live up to what obito said then why could'nt he let obito be killed and rin fried apart from iwa nins and run off instead
4th. Kakashi saw a image of his younger self in him.Surely he would help sasuke show him the way to living a happy life rather than spending his entire
       life looking only for revenge and nothing else.
5th. If u're gonna say he does not care for his teamates, why not let sakura get killed in a chidori and rasengan crossfire?Or let naruto be killed when
       zabuza wanted to kill him?
So unless u got proper proof of what callous acts that kakashi commits to others, do not go around theorising.U'll likely to get burned.

But back on topic!!!


i figured id add to my little prediction and expand it:

Yamato: Damn that wound orochimaru inflicted has only served to infuriate the Kyuubi.
Yamato: if i dont act fast the seal could break and all Konoha would be in danger.

(yamato preforms a control jutsu)

Yamato: Damn hes become too strong, Naruto if your in there help me.

Enter day dream scene with Naruto and sasuke standing in water like before:

Sasuke: Your pathetic.
Naruto: sasuke......
Sasuke: Your a loser who will never be hokage.
Sasuke: A Hokage is the defender of an entire village, you couldnt even defend me.
Sasuke: A hokage is in control of his entire village, you cant even control yourself.
Sasuke: A hokage protects his entire village, you cant even protect Sakura.

(Flash to fake vision of sakura being attacked by kabuto)
Sasuke: Your a failure.

(Flash to Naruto clenching his fists)
Naruto: Im done failing.

(Kyuubi's form begins to become more Human until only Naruto's original form remains)
Orochimaru: his chakra.... its different...

(naruto returns to 4 chakra tail mode, however his body is now covered with a dark blue chakra replacing the Red)

Orochimaru: hes controling the kyuubi and fusing there Chakra together...
Orochimaru: Heh he might even be able to give sasuke trouble.

(second Last Page with Naruto preforming hand seals)
Naruto: Jiraiya i know im not ready but i cant wait any longer i have to use it.

Sakura: Yamato you did it you saved naruto.
Yamato: No, my jutsu failed. That is some kid.

-----------------------------

Edit: This would never ever happen but:

Last page is a picture of a heavy concealed Sasuke.
Sasuke: So genjutsu even affects him in the Kyuubi form.



Doubt that will happen but anything is possible.

Snake1786
February 21, 2006, 11:58 AM
Sasuke needed traning from someone with the Sharingan, Kakashi's the man :D
Naruto needed training with someone as stupid as him, Jiraya's the man :D
Sakura.. well.. nobody really cares.. But Tsunade took care of her :D


Lol thats True naruto need someone that is as stupid as him : jiraya
and a annoying bitch like sakura needs a bitch like tsunade, I mean both sakura and tsunade fit more in a Hardcore Hentai than Naruto.

donkeyhigh
February 21, 2006, 12:21 PM
Lol thats True naruto need someone that is as stupid as him : jiraya
and a annoying bitch like sakura needs a  bitch like tsunade, I mean both sakura and tsunade fit more in a Hardcore Hentai than Naruto.


... oooookaythen..






[Prediction/hopes] [removed because of the space]




Most hopefull and optimistic prediction so far :)
But I love it :)
almost the same as when



Sasuke: What are you?!
Naruto: A friend!



And for you Ifuritas-fan
It seems we agree now :D and we're both happy and got to say our own oppinions, and maby even learned something new and got a few new perspectives.
And yeah, I really love your theory about Orochimaru, because I was wondering too, why he shed a tear before killing the 3rd..

C4animax
February 21, 2006, 12:34 PM
Lol thats True naruto need someone that is as stupid as him : jiraya
and a annoying bitch like sakura needs a bitch like tsunade, I mean both sakura and tsunade fit more in a Hardcore Hentai than Naruto.

Since the sanin team were : a girl and two guy i don't see jiraya any stupid mishimoto drawn him that way so he can appear cool to us....and since sakura is a girl and sasuke and naruto a guy...there you got the new sanin team...



Edit: This would never ever happen but:

How did you know? hehe...

I think that naruto won't calm himself down otherwise why the heck yamato is talking about? It's time for payback to orochimaru and some action for the rest of team 7 meaning : sakura getting involved with kabuto , yamato with naruto, sai with orochimaruu.

Ps : Oh and yeah why would naruto go silver? A fox is most likely orange, red at most why not golden NK4 , um?

venicia777
February 21, 2006, 01:59 PM
wow!!! such crazy ideas in this prediction thread. i cant seem to add anymore.

what can i say that i wish sakura helps naruto gets his mind back but doesnt lose the 4th tail mode otherwise he is dead. and of course sakura gets whacked in the process. and hopefully Yamato's jutsus fail on naruto as well as sai's mission. of course he will be able to gather info anyways

Predator
February 21, 2006, 03:11 PM
Lol thats True naruto need someone that is as stupid as him : jiraya
and a annoying bitch like sakura needs a bitch like tsunade, I mean both sakura and tsunade fit more in a Hardcore Hentai than Naruto.


YO! OK, for now we'll stick with something more than words. I've seen some hentai mangas with Sakura nad Tsunade ( I never said I'm perfectly pure :amuse ) and let me tell you something. While Sakura fits just like any other girl (of course it's criticised more, because of dissimilar drawings, as we know the real face and stuff from manga and anime), Tsunade is worst thing I've seen so far. Maybe find things out yourself before blabbering randon stuff.

Predators sustain equilibrium in every matter even porn and hentai.
So it's normal to admit it. So to say a thing for thoughts to dishonest ones.

Sidenote: This conversation is WAAY off the predictions topic + the Reui's made scene is kinda normal.

Ifuritas-fan
February 21, 2006, 03:43 PM
When I read this I kinda went... WTF?


Pretty much agrees with u but i wished u paragraphed though. It strains my eyes just reading it.
Now on to kakashi haters
1st. of all, he trained sasuke because Obito was in the same clan as sasuke.If anything he would help sasuke and train him because that would be what obito wanted him to do.

I disagree, Obito would likely have ripped Kakashi a new one if he saw him playing favorites. Well... in an Obito kinda way. Remember, Obito is the guy that taught Kakashi that people who abandon their comrades are lower than trash. Obito is why Kakashi's mistake about concerntrating on just Sasuke was such a big mistake. The original poster in this area didn't make a point of it, but when I read his point... that's what immediately flashed in my head and why it made such a big impression on me that I chimed in. The thing that makes Obito the absolute paragon of what all Uchiha's should aspire to be is that he was utterly unselfish. He loved people.He'd likely have grabbed Kakashi and told him "What the hell are you doing? That child is depending on you... you're his team leader. Do you think Arashi-sama would have ever abandoned me or Rin to go train you on your own? Sensei'd be ashamed of you.


2nd. Jiraiya clearly stated that he wanted to train naruto and ordered kakashi to help sasuke to develop his sharingan's powers.
Unless there are other sharingan users kakashi would have the job right?

My friend, Jiraiya did nothing of the sort when Naruto first encountered him. The order of events was Kakashi told Naruto he was leaving to train Sasuke, Naruto begged to come along, Kakashi gave him to Ebisu, Ebisu took Naruto water walking training at the hotsprings, They ran into Jiraiya.

The rest of the post was just about incoherant/unintelligable.

Prediction: If you look closely at the panel where the Kusanagi (or whatever sword Oro is actually using) hits Naruto in the belly in 295, you'll see that it's questionable about whether it did or did not punch through the chakra armor to hit Naruto. This is significant because if that was the Kusanagi... it means that Naruto's armor is harder than diamond (Genma the ape told Sarutobi that the Kusanagi cut him when it hit, and that was when he was in the staff form, and was as hard as diamond) Also, notice that the sword does not punch THROUGH Naruto's form. (every other time Oro has used a sword like that it has gone all the way through an opponent.)

Also, notice that later, when he has Naruto pinned in that crater at the end of the blade... there is no blood flying through the air where the Kyuubi flew, nor against the crater wall. So Naruto may not be hurt at all.

If he isn't hurt, Orochimaru has left that blade extended, and it's the perfect opportunity for Naruto to grab the blade and start swinging it like a baseball bat. Clubbing it into trees, rocks, and the ground... With Oro still attached to it.

I predict that this is exactly what will happen, only that Oro will either spit out the blade, or be beaten up so bad by this pounding he has to retreat.

Predator
February 21, 2006, 04:01 PM
I predict that this is exactly what will happen, only that Oro will either spit out the blade, or be beaten up so bad by this pounding he has to retreat.


That would be a good one! Especially, because that would give a window for that idea that Yamato is the owner of Kusanagi sword, mentioned earlier. Of course, right after the yet mysterious "Shodai skills+ Bijuu + Necklace" jutsu.

Galth
February 21, 2006, 04:02 PM
Since the sanin team were : a girl and two guy i don't see jiraya any stupid mishimoto  drawn him that way so he can appear cool  to us....and since sakura is a girl and sasuke and naruto a guy...there you got the new sanin team...


Actually, if you think about it, all Konoha teams up to now have been 2 boys 1 girl, i believe...

Sai
February 21, 2006, 05:11 PM
My friend, Jiraiya did nothing of the sort when Naruto first encountered him. The order of events was Kakashi told Naruto he was leaving to train Sasuke, Naruto begged to come along, Kakashi gave him to Ebisu, Ebisu took Naruto water walking training at the hotsprings, They ran into Jiraiya.

It's mostly speculation, but possible that Jiraiya's meeting with Naruto wasn't coincidental. In the flashback of Jiraiya's conversation with Kakashi about Akatsuki, he says: "Before the real Chuunin Exam starts, please leave Naruto to me."

That's what it says in the scanslation I have, and it seems to imply that Jiraiya's telling Kakashi to let him take Naruto under his wing before the Chuunin Exam Main Matches. Either Kakashi went through the trouble of setting Naruto up with Ebisu first so that Naruto could more easily accept Jiraiya(something a lot of people seem to believe, but it's very unlikely as Naruto already had more than enough trouble accepting Ebisu in the first place), or Kakashi had that conversation with Jiraiya right after setting Naruto up with Ebisu, with Jiraiya immediately going after Naruto afterwards.

I'm not entirely certain if it's accurate, as most of the scanslations in this part of the arc are very hit or miss, with the transition to different scanslation groups and all.

[EDIT] - After looking at a few past posts and figuring out just what that reply was all about, I just want to tack this on:

As I said in a thread on NF discussing the same subject, I don't think it was really a case of Kakashi playing favorites when it came to training Naruto and Sasuke. I believe Naruto would have still yielded much better results training under even Ebisu rather than Kakashi. Not to say there isn't a bias, but in this specific case, I believe it worked out for the best because of Naruto and Sasuke's different strengths(and their opponents).

hermallorn
February 21, 2006, 06:56 PM
everyone complaining about kakashi abandoning naruto.... maybe kakashi had nothing to teach to naruto back then.... naruto did not need jutsu back then but chakra control, so it was better to be taught by ebisu back then (i fact just needednthe seal removed but kk didn't know that)
kk chose sasuke over naruto ONCE. After that naruto is jiraya student. (and it is all for the best that he has the 4th teacher...)
kk taught chidori to sasuke, he can't do it to naruto because he is brainless.
kk feels responsible for sasuke, because he is like a clan member and he is the only else sharingan user.

And the last thing... It's kishimoto that made that choice because he need naruto to be trained by jiraya...so stop saying kk is a trash for that

Miso
February 21, 2006, 08:06 PM
I although thought that it was quite fitting. After all Kakashi and Naruto are too different kind of types with fighting methods. So it was better for them to separate at that moment.
Plus it paved the way for Jiraiya as a teacher to Naruto which is more approriate as they both are similar in many ways. Jiraiya was the best regarding boosting Naruto at that moment.
So the whole thing was better than having Kakashi training Naruto.

C4animax
February 21, 2006, 08:09 PM
Actually, if you think about it, all Konoha teams up to now have been 2 boys 1 girl, i believe...

After reading i realised :p but "THE kakashi" is the teacher of the team, someone "special" who never took any students before and who's better than the other teachers (please people, haters and lovers this is not to debate, this is what i think)

modokjr
February 21, 2006, 08:18 PM
kk taught chidori to sasuke, he can't do it to naruto because he is brainless.

Errr ... no. Kakashi taught Sasuke the Chidori because Sasuke has the Sharingan, a seemingly necessary adjunct for the Chidori to be effective. Naruto has demonstrated ample ability to learn, even in front of Kakashi (such as tree walking). Much of Naruto's early control issues stemmed from his screwy seal.

Probably not the place for a Kakashi debate, but since one's been started ...

It's just not black and white, good or bad, when it somes to his teaching skills. Kakashi almost never teaches jutsus. The Sharingan is the one exception that comes to mind. He's much more interested in teamwork, leadership and tactics.

It is no coincidence that these are the things that he had to learn as a young ninja. Even before he became the "copy ninja," he was a genius and probably needed little instruction in specific jutsus before he picked them up (or developed them on his own, a la sharingan). What he did need to learn, from Obito (the hard way), was teamwork and leadership.

Thus, he concentrates on these subjects with his own students.

Does Kakashi teach individual jutsus? No
Could his students use this knowledge? Yes
Does he teach teamwork, leadership and tactics? Yes
Could his students use this knowledge? Yes

As a friend, Kakashi is (now) outstanding. As a teacher, Kakashi is a mixed bag. Jiraiya and Tsunade (and no doubt Orochimaru) are both better teachers than Kakashi, because they teach everything. It is no coincidence that Kakashi's students have all moved on. Still, he served them as best he could, within the limits of what he understood made for good teaching, based on his own experience. You have to admit, it served them well right up until the chuunin duels, when it was a good thing for Naruto that Jiraiya stepped in.

ShadwsofArchonia
February 21, 2006, 08:35 PM
meh, as i have an opinion and a right to state it. I'll stick with "down with Kakashi". And here I was thinking I could get 700 grand richer, Say - we need a name for that Nuclear Atomic Spitball that K/N fires. Anybody got ideas for it?

glasskatana
February 21, 2006, 09:03 PM
The atomic burp is a name I've heard been thrown around. However now I am sad as no one remarked on my earlier post about the kusanagi/oro prediction.:bored :crying

Momochi Gaara
February 21, 2006, 09:54 PM
for those on the kakashi debate.. the convo with him and jiraiya took place before the chuunin exam.. just check the background konoha is in tip top shape.. which it was far from after the chuunin exam..... also there is no way master peeper jiraiya would have been caught like that by naruto and ebisu..

Galth
February 21, 2006, 10:23 PM
don't forget that this is a Predictions thread, guys, for the NEXT chapter.  ;)

After skimming through some of the last few pages it seems pretty clear to me most of your conversation would have been better off in the Mega Convo here.  There's one advantage if you do it over there - you'll never get told that you're going off-topic and you can keep talking about it forever if you want.


This was postedby GK  like twenty posts ago, and it seems like there's need to re-post this. This thread is about predicting 296, not anything else, so: back on the topic, you guys ;) start by replying to glasskatana's previous post or something...

Kakashi is NOT in the current arc ( yet ), those who are ( naruto, sakura, sai, yamato, kabuto, orochimaru ) should get priority  :noworry

Now get ontopic! that, or i can get mod on your asses ( pulp fiction reference ) :p



So allow me to revise your theory. Oro always had a great ambition within him. This lust for power led Oro to live a dark life, however he was never evil enough to betray the leaf or his comrades. Until he found the kusanagi. The spirit held within it was simply a shard soul and chakra of the 8 headed snake. However that shard corrupted Oro's soul almost past recognition and drove Oro to the ideal that he could gain the greatest power if he could sever himself from humanity.

Thus Oro began his experiments on humans and eventually became something practically inhuman. He became a being comprised of nothing but his soul. Something that would take over the bodies of others. This is why Oro still has all the memories of pre-take-over.

So how this could tie into predictions. Well perhaps if a shard of a bijuu's soul/chakra is within the kusanagi, yamato will come in and kick some ass while Oro is wielding it by turning it against him in a very creative way. This would tie in very nicely since Yamato is the name of one of the heroes in japanese mythology who wields the kusanagi. When I realized this I got a very good feeling. Tell me your thoughts on this.


I don't think Orochimaru was 'converted ' by anything; like he said to Jiraiya in a flashback: "i have been like this from the start", he was just smart enough to let nobody notice... And most names kishimoto takes from japanese mythologie do not show a very strong resemblance in life to their naruto-world characters... he only bases his characters on those people, their lifes are not identical... and i don't believe orochimaru will be or have a bijuu... because either the akatsuki or kabuto would have probably already noticed, making him a next target.

Valero
February 21, 2006, 10:34 PM
meh, as i have an opinion and a right to state it. I'll stick with "down with Kakashi". And here I was thinking I could get 700 grand richer, Say - we need a name for that Nuclear Atomic Spitball that K/N fires. Anybody got ideas for it?
The attack actually kind of reminded me of Rasengan, but so dense that you couldn't see the chakra spinning. Kyuubi Rasengan?

maxhrk
February 22, 2006, 12:19 AM
Akatsuki wouldn't not noticed it if nodbody in elemental countries knew that oro is a bijuu... In order for Akatsuki to know who and if they has bijuu they would need to gathering information. However. mostly like each akatsuki are from each their respectively country are highly and likely to know who is their target.

Now i recall that one akastuki said that he/she have hard time to find his/her bijuu target... there are one or two reason for this:

bijuu found out that he/she is a target of akatsuki org, she/he went into hiding. this give that particular akatsuki member difficulty to find the juuriniki(sp?)

or that bijuu container died in accident or something that they dont know about. :D



This was postedby GK like twenty posts ago, and it seems like there's need to re-post this. This thread is about predicting 296, not anything else, so: back on the topic, you guys ;) start by replying to glasskatana's previous post or something...

Kakashi is NOT in the current arc ( yet ), those who are ( naruto, sakura, sai, yamato, kabuto, orochimaru ) should get priority :noworry

Now get ontopic! that, or i can get mod on your asses ( pulp fiction reference ) :p

I don't think Orochimaru was 'converted ' by anything; like he said to Jiraiya in a flashback: "i have been like this from the start", he was just smart enough to let nobody notice... And most names kishimoto takes from japanese mythologie do not show a very strong resemblance in life to their naruto-world characters... he only bases his characters on those people, their lifes are not identical... and i don't believe orochimaru will be or have a bijuu... because either the akatsuki or kabuto would have probably already noticed, making him a next target.

glasskatana
February 22, 2006, 12:28 AM
The attack actually kind of reminded me of Rasengan, but so dense that you couldn't see the chakra spinning. Kyuubi Rasengan?

I'd say its more like a kyuubi own-in-the-face-gan. By the way how many times do you think the kyuubi/Naruto can use that technique in a day. On a related note how many times can Naruo use rasengan in a day. The rasengan's just as powerful as chidori but it seems like it takes way less energy and be performed multiple times.

I hope the next chapter isn't just more mindless violence. As cool as it is, its prety difficult to lay out correct/probable predictions when the plot isn't moving. I want something to go wrong with the kyuubi chakra within Naruto so he starts doing... something surprising and crazy.

Other desires of my mind include Naruto controlling the chakra, Yamato showing his skills, Sai showing whatever his mission is, Naruto in immense pain, Orochimaru in frightened mode, Kabuto in frightened mode.

By the way, A long time ago there was a mentioning of some future chapter being called selflessness. I immediately jumped to it meaning either Naruto, Sakura, or Yamato being selfless. But what if its Kabuto who turns out being the selfless one. Risking his life to save Oro or something. I wouldn't want that to happen though, I 'm just trying to get back into the flow of predictions after refreshing this page, like, 1,000,000 times to make sure this was indeed the prediction thread not the 'lets bitch about who's the better character, Kabuto or Kakashi' thread. But now it seems like we're on the right track.

One last thing.


Ps : Oh and yeah why would naruto go silver? A fox is most likely orange, red at most why not golden NK4 , um?

Silver actually would be a possible color, if the kyuubi's chakra changes color, because it is said in japanese mythology that when a fox gains its 9th tail, after 1,000 years of living, it turns either silver, white, or gold. Though I suppose this kyuubi already had nine-tails and was red. Maybe it's chakra has to be used by a human being to turn a different color. I still like red better though, mostly because I have the perfect nick-name for naruto if he ever grows up to be a well-known/feared ninja. "The Crimson Ninja."

lentharius
February 22, 2006, 12:51 AM
On a related note how many times can Naruo use rasengan in a day. The rasengan's just as powerful as chidori but it seems like it takes way less energy and be performed multiple times.

It almost doesn't seem limited because it is a much more elegant skill than chidori. Chidori seems more about pumping out as much chakra as possible in a single point, where the rasengan is about chakra control mixed with power.


Other desires of my mind include Naruto controlling the chakra, Yamato showing his skills, Sai showing whatever his mission is, Naruto in immense pain, Orochimaru in frightened mode, Kabuto in frightened mode.

Those are all very likely scenarios actually. Unfortunately I don't see them happening next chapter, I predict one of the first two you mentioned will happen within the next 3 chapters. I think next chapter will continue with the fighting.

brockway
February 22, 2006, 01:15 AM
About Sai's secret mission: What if he's being sent to assasinate Sasuke? He certainly didn't have any kind words for him, and his stoic attitude certainly match what you'd expect of a young Kakashi-type assasin ninja. Oro and Kabuto are being distracted right now, and if Sai's as badass as he's built up to be, him busting into an Oro'less Hidden Sound doesn't seem too far off. And this would also lead up to the "Sasuke black Chidori's Sai through his belly shirt" theory. Though this theory really depends on whether Sai was trying to fly past Naruto to the island, or he was gonna do something kyuubi Naruto related.

glasskatana
February 22, 2006, 01:21 AM
Whoa, I just noticed something really wierd. Remember when theam 7 was going off to save Garra and was intercepted by the psudo-itachi (chapter 259). Well when Naruto was put into genjutsu his skin peeled off at one point, (in the genjutsu) and turned into Sasuke in evil (curse-seal level 2) form. Could this have possibly been foreshadowing what's happening now, with Naruto's skin peeling off and revealing an evil form.

To Lentharus, I too, fear more mindless plot-ignoring violence, that will put me on a cliffhanger next chapter. So now I'm trying to think of what other skills, abilities, and jutsus will be used in the fight.

The only image I can conjure up goes something like this. Naruto lunges at Oro who stops Naruto's hands with his own hands and vice versa. However Oro soon realizes that his his hands are being held back by nothing but the chakra hands of the Kyuubi/Naruto while Naruto's hands perform some kind of jutsu while seperated from them. (because in essensce, Naruto has at leat four hands while in kyuubi mode). The jutsu I would like would be the Katon Goukakyuu no jutsu or Katon Karyuu Endan in point blank range. Though I think Oro would survive it relatively unharmed, except maybe his pride.

Cbot
February 22, 2006, 02:30 AM
I hope that Naruto does something crazy and really do damage on Orochimaru. wonder when will Sasuke show up?It's been like a year and we still didn't see him.

BobtheTomato
February 22, 2006, 03:53 AM
To me, it seems that this battle is being drawn out so that Sasuke can appear in Ch.300. Just makes sense, but no one knows for sure.

odlam
February 22, 2006, 04:08 AM
Im still going with the Sai conspiracy theorists who think hes gonna try to make a deal with Orochimaru

I think Danzou's gonna try to make a deal with Orochimaru, him being a war hawk and all, he seems like he would be much happier with Konoha and Root under somebody like Oro than somebody like Tsunade

My bro thinks along similiar lines, except he thinks Danzou is gonna make a backdoor deal with Orochimaru, and in return, Orochimaru will provide him with a new body somehow, since his is in ruins. Crazy theory, but its new to me, so I figured Id toss it out there.

ShadwsofArchonia
February 22, 2006, 04:45 AM
What are the chances Akatsuki show up next chapter, I mean the amount of Raw Kyuubi chakra being released wouldn't really go un-noticed especially for people who's life is to stalk Bijuu containers.

hatakescarecrow
February 22, 2006, 06:43 AM
What are the chances Akatsuki show up next chapter, I mean the amount of Raw Kyuubi chakra being released wouldn't really go un-noticed especially for people who's life is to stalk Bijuu containers.


Perhaps that will happen if kishimoto wants them to crash the party.
If i can recall sasori did mention the spy issue to his partner.

As much as i would like to answer back, I do not wish to start another debate.
Its too troublesome :smile-big.

sexyd001
February 22, 2006, 09:55 AM
sasauke is in the latest chap go to naruto forums, spioler pic he looks awsome.

lexiefaye
February 22, 2006, 10:15 AM
^^^ Don't make me laugh at your obnoxiousness .... your first post and you are practically joking already. You need to build up your reputation - then you can mess with people (but please do it in slightly less obvious ways!) Oh and thanks for putting salt on so many wounds that fester when NF is down.

Sounds to me like the Orochimaru/4-Tail fight is just getting started despite the fact Naruto is back across the bridge. I think he'll use the sword to run across the void or to do a Sasuke and send his flaming chakra straight at Orochimaru now that he can pinpoint the man. I also like the sword breaking ideas although I don't think it will be any serious damage like the sword being cleft in two ... more like a broken tip or a crack, enough to hurt Orochimaru (at least piss him off if not physically) but not enough to put him or the sword out of action. I don't believe the Sai mission or the Yamato necklace jutsu will come into play just yet ... soon but give it a chapter or two.

Kojiro Ganryu Sasaki
February 22, 2006, 11:06 AM
Akatsuki wouldn't not noticed it if nodbody in elemental countries knew that oro is a bijuu... In order for Akatsuki to know who and if they has bijuu they would need to gathering information. However. mostly like each akatsuki are from each their respectively country are highly and likely to know who is their target.

But it is highly likely that Akatsuki has someone (ie: Zetsu) watching Naruto if he's out on a mission. If he's there, he'll probably call on someone else. This is starting to look promising.

Reiya
February 22, 2006, 11:09 AM
So many possiblities...

Sasuke appearing to save a mad Orochimaru
Naruto getting control of the Kyuubi chakra (the possible color would be gold due to his hair color[reference to kitsune myth in Naruto seems to be used often])
(Another myth reference dealing with the Yamata vs. Kyuubi fight)Kyuubi Naruto breaking, cracking, or destroying Orochimaru's Kusanagi.
Sai's actual mission revealed
Dansou making a backdoor deal with Orochimaru (Major possiblity)
(and out of the blue one) A P*ss*d Off Anko coming to get revenge on Orochimaru... :eyeroll

The possiblities are endless...

WingZer0
February 22, 2006, 12:15 PM
If you noticed, the sword did not piece through KN, it just knocked him back. So yeah, the next issue will decide on a lot of things, whether Yamato and Co will join the fight and Sai's mission etc...

T0FFe3m@n
February 22, 2006, 12:55 PM
I think the chapter will focus a little on Sakura coming to terms with Naruto's transformation..

UzumakiRoman
February 22, 2006, 01:03 PM
I don't think Orochimaru was 'converted ' by anything; like he said to Jiraiya in a flashback: "i have been like this from the start", he was just smart enough to let nobody notice... And most names kishimoto takes from japanese mythologie do not show a very strong resemblance in life to their naruto-world characters... he only bases his characters on those people, their lifes are not identical... and i don't believe orochimaru will be or have a bijuu... because either the akatsuki or kabuto would have probably already noticed, making him a next target.


i've been wondering about this for a while, the 'talied' beasts go from one to nine, but is it possible there is a 0-tailed beast. And perhaps that monster is of a human form(since he has 0 tails).

Leen
February 22, 2006, 01:12 PM
i've been wondering about this for a while, the 'talied' beasts go from one to nine, but is it possible there is a 0-tailed beast. And perhaps that monster is of a human form(since he has 0 tails).


That will be too far off the track. I dont think I want someone who is a monster and yet he is a human too. Perhaps that is AL. That's why he is searching and capturing all the other tails because he fear of their power and so in order to capture them, he has to do it fast. Ah....that's just a bit too farfetched.

donkeyhigh
February 22, 2006, 01:38 PM
One last thing.Silver actually would be a possible color, if the kyuubi's chakra changes color, because it is said in japanese mythology that when a fox gains its 9th tail, after 1,000 years of living, it turns either silver, white, or gold. Though I suppose this kyuubi already had nine-tails and was red. Maybe it's chakra has to be used by a human being to turn a different color. I still like red better though, mostly because I have the perfect nick-name for naruto if he ever grows up to be a well-known/feared ninja. "The Crimson Ninja."


Or maby the Kyubii actually just is a silver-fox? :p
And this is a fact, when they kill silver-foxes for their skin, they give them electricity through their nose, into their ass.. Like, they put one wire up their ass, and one on their nose..
Kills them instantly, and doesn't dammage the skin/fur..

Hope Orochimaru doesn't have any electric-nin-jutsus..

animefeen
February 22, 2006, 01:40 PM
With Naruto fighting ORo. at sannin level one thing is very certain, Sasuke is not on the same level as Naruto. I know he's supposed to be strong but come on now Oro. would not let Sasuke get stronger than him, but at the same time the reason why he left Atak. was because Sasuke brother is stronger than even Oro. thus Oro. fears him, so I dunno now after remembering that if Sasuke just may be indeed stronger than Oro...

ItsMrJedi
February 22, 2006, 02:21 PM
@animefeen:

Even when Sasuke becomes more powerfull than Itachi and Oro...Oro can control him due to the CS, since that's the purpose of the CS.

Mizura
February 22, 2006, 02:34 PM
#&*(#@$ NF forum crash. *sigh*

On topic:

The worst-case scenario right now (for me anyway) is if the battle prolongs even More. It Should be done by now. After all, Kyuubi Naruto has already shown off:
- chakra shield again
- chakra claw again
- and a brand new attack in the form of a big laser breath of doom.

Orochimaru should Also be done by now since he's showed off snake attacks again, elastic limbs again and kusanagi yet again. So puh-Lease let it not prolong. =_=

Hopefully, the current opening Orochimaru's created, by sending Naruto off and possibly stalling him for awhile, would be enough to prompt Sai to start his secret mission. Naruto will probably get up again, but he might be in pain or the likes. But as long as he's not at full power anymore, it gives Sai the cue he needs to attack, unless Kishimoto plans on making Naruto and Orochimaru fight even Longer so that when Sai does launch his mission, he hits both at the same time (thus further sealing his "jerk" status. :S )

As for Kabuto, I have a feeling he won't be fighting right now. He probably isn't at full strength either after that Naruto hit. Remember pre-timeskip: he couldn't fully heal a Rasengan hit, and he looked Relieved after healing This injury, meaning that he might have not been able to heal it (he was close). But even though he's not at full power, he's still a jounin-level. As such, Sakura is no match for him. Yamato probably might match him at this point, but Yamato is probably more focused on Naruto now, as He is the one who can bring Naruto under control. Since Kabuto is not making a move to attack right now, Yamato would probably not make the first move either when evaluating Naruto and Orochimaru's situation is more critical.

It all depends on Sai's actions now.

Oh by the way, Sasuke's Quite on the same level as Naruto, thanks. An essay of mine on the NF forums explains that bit quite simply, but the NF forums are still down. >_< Quite simpy though: Naruto has base form, and Kyuubi form. Sasuke will have base form, and CS form. Simple. On the other hand, the stronger the CS level, the less control he has over himself, since CS makes you Oro's slave, heh.

What else... oh yeah. A thing I've been pondering recently is on Yamato's fate again. People keep saying that he has "death" labeled all over him. But the thing is, he serves a Purpose now: bringing Naruto under control, and it seems Shodai's necklace also plays a role. Still, there can't be two team leaders, so as soon as Kakashi comes back, Yamato can't tag along either, and Kakashi is sure to return sooner or later.

So it makes me wonder on the control status. There are two major possibilities I think:
- either Naruto somehow learns to make use of Shodai's necklace to control Himself
- or on the contrary Sakura somehow manages to learn it.

Won't be easy, since the bijuu controlling capacities were Shodai's only, so if Naruto or Sakura gains a form of that, there should be a darn good reason. Still, it's something to consider. Maybe Yamato Somehow (don't ask me how) manages to transfer his abilities to Naruto, Sakura or even Kakashi...

Or maybe he's just there to be taken over by Orochimaru in the future, thus giving Naruto a lot of headaches. =\ Ah well, we'll see.

animefeen
February 22, 2006, 03:09 PM
I know the anime is suppose to resume with the manga in another month but I dont know how that will work with so many chapters of the manga had prolong fights in them. I may be wrong but it doesnt seem like there is enough distance btwn the anime and manga yet...and on a related note in mythology the nine tails is normally a woman almost never really depited as a male, if this were to hold true in the naruto story it would make things rather interesting in the future..

odlam
February 22, 2006, 04:34 PM
Well OP chapter script and several spoiler pages have been released, so hopefully by late tonight well have at least some spoiler images of our own, if not the full chapter by tomorrow morning

TheCoreDruid
February 22, 2006, 04:52 PM
If you look at chapter 295, you'll see that BEFORE the sword shoots from the ground Kyubii Naruto looks down with and EXCLAMATION POINT not a question mark, or total ignorance to the swords coming. You have to realize how fast Naruto is able to move right now, and from the point where Orochimaru is pushing the tip out of the ground, to the point where it actually makes contact with Naruto is more than likely plenty of time for Naruto to form some seals, or move out of the way. My prediction is either some form of chakra shield a la Gaara's Sand shield, or a chakra shell and the real naruto is elsewhere, once again simmilar to Gaara's sand shield.

I think that in this chapter we will see orochimaru begin to fatigue, and he'll make mention of Naruto's stamina. Sai will make his move, and Sakura will come to grips with Naruto's grim reality. At the end, Yamato will begin preperations for what he needs to do to calm naruto down, and we'll be left with a cliffhanger as to what it is for another week.

Cbot
February 22, 2006, 05:20 PM
Any spoiler pics around?

hokagenaruto3
February 22, 2006, 05:23 PM
1. naruto never uses difficult seals
2. He did not have enough time to recover, because he thought he had hurt Oro. Wouldn't you expect the same?
3. The sword has not pierced Naruto (at least not on impact) -> naruto's chakra shield > diamond.
4. He's already working on possible a counter, since he's holding the sword.

odlam
February 22, 2006, 05:27 PM
You can see the chakra field punctured by the sword on the panel when it first hits Naruto - theres a clear impact with the shell, and you can see the bits of blood and chakra flying off of him where the sword penetrates

Its just a matter of how deep did it cut Naruto initially, and how much deeper did the impact into the rock drive the sword into him

hokagenaruto3
February 22, 2006, 05:33 PM
I meant pierced as in *the sword coming out of the back of his body*, but I should have written it more nuanced, yes. :amuse

b.o.t.i
February 22, 2006, 05:36 PM
OH please odlam >>if the sword had done its job it would have cut through naruto at impact>>but it did'nt thats why the sword carried on strecthing its as if oro was putting lots of force into the sword all teh way to the point that naruto hit the rock.

It failed to cut naruto simple as ,and everyone is talking about that it cut him or what not?
It wouldnt even matter if naruto got cut >>>naruto can heal himself.

Really the sword failed at cutting thats why the sword kept extending as if oro kept trying to force it through & he just failed.  

cerventus
February 22, 2006, 05:37 PM
yo,

my 1st post here.
IMHO, Naturo will chase Oro away while injuring him. Then Oro will Ku Ku Ku, touting Sakura and co that he would stand a better chance against naruto when he is in his new vessel.

Naruto will be injured as he lost alot of blood in the kyubi transformation after Yamato cool him down.
Sai will say... "That Kid" :o
Sakura will then try to heal naruto but realized even the blood regeneration pill is not enough. Naruto needs a blood transfusion.

No idea but i guess Yamato could be a type B as naruto and volunteer to donate his blood.

After that Naruto gained more control over the Kyubi because of Yamato's blood. :)

odlam
February 22, 2006, 05:41 PM
Thats why I said its a question of how far the sword was forced into him, and how deep the impact into the rock drove it

It did clearly puncture his chakra armor, as the tip of the sword could no longer be seen, and you could see the impact of the armor being stabbed by the bits of blood and chakra flying off of him when he was first lifted up

But like I said, it just depends on how deep the sword was able to penetrate, and how much further the impact into the rock drove the sword, if any

And your right, Naruto can heal himself, but not while hes in four tails mode. Right now his healing factor cannot keep up with the damage the Kyuubi chakra is doing to his body. Its effectively out of the action until the corrosive barrier is turned off.

b.o.t.i
February 22, 2006, 05:50 PM
I would'nt really be bothered about the sword as other's are .Cause it just ain't gonna do anything.
Any damage now will just be healed teh fact that naruto should'nt be in 4 tails cause he's hurting & healing at the same time which is shortining his lifespan.

If he gets cut or wounded somehow it will definately heal just as naruto's skin will heal when his kyuubi mode gets shutdown.

Naruto has the sword in his hand>>I think it has done no damage.
I think there's no more spoilers these days just actual thursday raw>>which is much better now.
The next spoiler pics we will get will probably be when sasuke comes back.

donkeyhigh
February 22, 2006, 06:09 PM
1. naruto never uses difficult seals
2. He did not have enough time to recover, because he thought he had hurt Oro. Wouldn't you expect the same?
3. The sword has not pierced Naruto (at least not on impact) -> naruto's chakra shield > diamond.
4. He's already working on possible a counter, since he's holding the sword.


All what he said.

Especially the "naruto's chakra shield > diamond"-part, as it made me laugh :)

Miso
February 22, 2006, 06:28 PM
....
3. The sword has not pierced Naruto (at least not on impact) -> naruto's chakra shield > diamond.
....


Then why do you see blood on the pic? red arrows
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/3537/hd6500070zt.jpg

lexiefaye
February 22, 2006, 06:35 PM
He's been punctured by the sword but not pierced through.

Kyuubi Naruto
February 22, 2006, 07:03 PM
On the Japanese Naruto boards (where the spoilers, raw pics and ect come out) they say.


ƒ}ƒW‚¾IIƒTƒXƒP‚Å‚Ä‚½c
‘Š•Ï‚í‚炸’Zƒpƒ“‚ō•‚¢Œûg‚©‚Ÿ`

This is what a Japanese person said about Sasuke. Let me tell you what it says and I shit you not.

"Short short, short pants, and black lipstick".

Also 6 more people, count them 6, said Sasuke appeared. Not will appear but appeared in this chapter. I kid you not.

devo
February 22, 2006, 07:05 PM
"Short short, short pants, and black lipstick".

...

So, he became a transsexual goth? That's what that description says to me.

I don't doubt you at all, but God am I going to laugh hard if he turns out to look like what my mental image of him is right now.

ShadwsofArchonia
February 22, 2006, 07:12 PM
short short short pants? ewwww...Oro was really gay then.

lexiefaye
February 22, 2006, 07:22 PM
Sorry dude but I trust nothing til I see it ... the Japanese are quite capable of mass lying on forums too ... And any spoiler with the name Sasuke I will especially take with caution as those are usually meant to stir up trouble.

If, and I say this with so much trepidation that it pains me, Sasuke does show up it won't be until the very end of the chapter cuz the timing is just off right now. Oh, and black lipstick on a guy. Eww.

Kyuubi Naruto
February 22, 2006, 07:29 PM
Yeah you can still be cautious. I didn't say you have to fully believe it. I just wanted to say what I saw. :P

Miso
February 22, 2006, 07:32 PM
Well...I have also heard of that. Someone japanese told me that the japanese forums have this rumour around that Sasuke will appear.
I'll just wait if it happens or not! :)



He's been punctured by the sword but not pierced through.


True but that kills the idea of "naruto's chakra shield > diamond " ->http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=1292.msg17873#msg17873

Tanuki-dono
February 22, 2006, 07:34 PM
On the Japanese Naruto boards (where the spoilers, raw pics and ect come out) they say.

This is what a Japanese person said about Sasuke. Let me tell you what it says and I shit you not.

"Short short, short pants, and black lipstick".

Also 6 more people, count them 6, said Sasuke appeared. Not will appear but appeared in this chapter. I kid you not.


Oh Lord.  It wouldn't be totally unexpected for him to make an appearance, but I seriously doubt him getting involved. And I have been fearing the worst for his appearance, but he didn't look that different on the character polls page a while back (then again, I think it was a picture of his younger self).  At first I was squeamish about him wearing the typical Sound-nin garb, but short shorts would be too much. >.> I mean, we already have Sai expsoing himself... Please let it not be so.

maggi
February 22, 2006, 07:45 PM
you know.... :noworry i think Naruto is going to heal himself. Sakura and Yamato are gonna go where Naruto is and Sakura is gonna be more horrofy than before :amuse. then orochimaru fight is going to continue and then Naruto is going to try to use the 5 tails but then yamato is going to stop him. :narutokyu i think that might be chapter 296 or maybe other following chapter. who knows.

C4animax
February 22, 2006, 07:48 PM
What else... oh yeah. A thing I've been pondering recently is on Yamato's fate again. People keep saying that he has "death" labeled all over him. But the thing is, he serves a Purpose now: bringing Naruto under control, and it seems Shodai's necklace also plays a role. Still, there can't be two team leaders, so as soon as Kakashi comes back, Yamato can't tag along either, and Kakashi is sure to return sooner or later.


yamato is a high ranked ambu (especially due to his ability) i doubt he could die here that would be so lame anyway...what could happen for him after is the question that people asked : he'll simply go back to his ambu status..and eventually he'll play his role another time later in the story.



I'd say its more like a kyuubi own-in-the-face-gan.
One last thing.Silver actually would be a possible color, if the kyuubi's chakra changes color, because it is said in japanese mythology that when a fox gains its 9th tail, after 1,000 years of living, it turns either silver, white, or gold. Though I suppose this kyuubi already had nine-tails and was red. Maybe it's chakra has to be used by a human being to turn a different color. I still like red better though, mostly because I have the perfect nick-name for naruto if he ever grows up to be a well-known/feared ninja. "The Crimson Ninja."

yeah own rasengan, the tails makes it remember.
Ok ok for the color...but this isn't DBZ i don't want to see some gold chakra surrounding...i prefer red as well with black (a bit as my signature shows) so i hope kishimoto won't do that.

As for akatsuki, that could be nice having them interrupting the fight, since daidara(spelling...) probably know about the meeting...

Naruto hasn't been pierced he has be pulled back to the bridge, the raw is a bad quality one so you can barely say if it has been pierced even a bit or if it's one of the line drawn...

maggi
February 22, 2006, 07:50 PM
:offtopic my sister says that Naruto is gonna kill Oro and that Naruto is gonna be very insure and then the atasuki are gonna come and that they are gonna take Naruto. :p i really dought it. :tem

hokagenaruto3
February 22, 2006, 07:58 PM
About that spoiler with Sasuke with lipstick and short pants: He had them before the timeskip. :s (well similar to lipstick anyway)

Kyuubi Naruto
February 22, 2006, 08:00 PM
I HIGLY doubt Naruto is going to end up killing Orochimaru. It would be a massive "What the fuck" moment.

If Naruto killed Orochimaru Konoha would be carving his face into the mountain.

hokagenaruto3
February 22, 2006, 08:06 PM
I HIGLY doubt Naruto is going to end up killing Orochimaru. It would be a massive "What the fuck" moment.

If Naruto killed Orochimaru Konoha woul dbe carving his face into the mountain.


If Kishi goes with the legend, he'd let Sasuke do it, but Kishi would then be giving Sasuke two main villains.
Thats one more than the Naruto would get (AL), so I think Naruto will kill Oro, but that shure as hell won't happen in this arc.

C4animax
February 22, 2006, 08:08 PM
I HIGLY doubt Naruto is going to end up killing Orochimaru. It would be a massive "What the fuck" moment.

If Naruto killed Orochimaru Konoha woul dbe carving his face into the mountain.


LOL :) :D

lexiefaye
February 22, 2006, 08:09 PM
The black lipstick got me thinking. Too many people are under the impression that when Sasuke returns he will be his normal self and not return as the KuKuKu guy at the begining of the Valley of the End. After 2.5 years with Orochimaru, I think it highly likely he will return in a powercrazed state happy to show his former teammates how powerful he has become since deserting them.

Tanuki-dono
February 22, 2006, 08:16 PM
The black lipstick got me thinking. Too many people are under the impression that when Sasuke returns he will be his normal self and not return as the KuKuKu guy at the begining of the Valley of the End. After 2.5 years with Orochimaru, I think it highly likely he will return in a powercrazed state happy to show his former teammates how powerful he has become since deserting them.

I tend to agree that he will be incredibly power-hungry and a messed-up little brat on the outside. I just don't want an overly...effeminiate...Sasuke. Then again, considering that his teacher is Orochimaru...that may be hard to avoid. >.>

hokagenaruto3
February 22, 2006, 08:16 PM
The black lipstick got me thinking. Too many people are under the impression that when Sasuke returns he will be his normal self and not return as the KuKuKu guy at the begining of the Valley of the End. After 2.5 years with Orochimaru, I think it highly likely he will return in a powercrazed state happy to show his former teammates how powerful he has become since deserting them.


I always considered the 'Kukuku' Sasuke the 'real' Sasuke. It's what he'd always wanted to be and Kishi made it clear Sasuke'd get what he wanted.
I only expect him to pwn at least Sai, but It's hard to imagine how Sasuke is going to match with Naruto's raw power.
Maybe chakra absorbtion?

jimhawking
February 22, 2006, 08:18 PM
On the Japanese Naruto boards (where the spoilers, raw pics and ect come out) they say.

This is what a Japanese person said about Sasuke. Let me tell you what it says and I shit you not.

"Short short, short pants, and black lipstick".

Also 6 more people, count them 6, said Sasuke appeared. Not will appear but appeared in this chapter. I kid you not.


Well I want jump to conclusion, although with this out fit it sounds like he needs to carrying a purse.
But it would be a little disappointing if Sasukes outfit stays almost the same (besides the lipstick)

Predator
February 22, 2006, 08:28 PM
I only expect him to pwn at least Sai, but It's hard to imagine how Sasuke is going to match with Naruto's raw power.

Let's avoid saying "pwned" words for now. Knowing this spoiler prediction about short pant(ie)s and black lipstick it is damaging to the common sense. Looking at the whole picture we would see Jackson-like Orochi, Sai with his exhibicionism and now abused Sasuke in one chapter? .............. That's something I'd like not to see. Hope the prediction is wrong.

Cidain
February 22, 2006, 08:29 PM
to the person who thinks the sword pierced naruto, the reason blood splat out is because hes is surrounded by blood right now, look back to the panel onn 294 where oro punches naruto in the face and blood goes splat then reforms and slices oro in half

something good is going to happen before chapter 300 or on 300 thats all i know :D

Ifuritas-fan
February 22, 2006, 08:35 PM
Well... on the backup backup NF board (Yes there is one... Lexi you really should go and pay it a visit) http://s15.invisionfree.com/Backup_Backup_NF/index.php?act=idx we were talking about the new... :s improved? :o Sasuke.

God, I hope that he's not gone overly effeminate.

I mean picture it.

Itachi:Little brother... do you know why you continue to fail? Because you lack... color coordinated lipstick and nail polish, an accessorized
hand bag, and those shorts... goodness... where do I even start with the shorts. Short shorts are soooo out this season.
Sasuke :Oh snap! *triple finger snap in a "z" form* Oh no! I know you just didn't, girlfriend!
Itachi: I so totally did.
:wussfight
*sissy slap fight ensues*
:scry
On a more serious note though... If he does return it can only mean one thing... something clymactic has to happen. Therefore I'm now not gonna discount the possibility that Orochimaru gets bitten by Naruto and actually gets wounded.

I was thinking... and all the claw attacks we've seen have done squat... But look at Naruto's nasty ass fangy maw (mouth isn't even right.. it's a maw) Imagine for a minute Naruto getting in close enough to sink those choppers into the side of Oro's neck and actually hurt him as a result. Blood flying... Oro yelling in pain... and in the background... Sasuke appears.

What a perfect moment to have him appear...

But GOD DAMN IT... not in short shorts!!! *pounds head on table* NO!... I think Dyro is making it up to fool us. She's the one who put up the spoiler... it's just gotta be fake.

devo
February 22, 2006, 08:49 PM
Then again, she might have posted all those fake spoilers over time so that no one would believe her when she posted something true.

The speculation over at the board you posted is hilarious, Ifuritas.  :smile-big

C4animax
February 22, 2006, 08:50 PM
I mean picture it.
But GOD DAMN IT... not in short shorts!!! *pounds head on table* NO!... I think Dyro is making it up to fool us. She's the one who put up the spoiler... it's just gotta be fake.


Words without proof are just speculations, anyway from ALL the new outfit you saw from the season 2 which one was lame? In my opinion none of them were so i suppose he 'll come up in a great outfit...eventually he'll have an outfit like itachi or neji(don't like it much but never mind)...but hell that was funny :D

Supreme Alchemist Fan
February 22, 2006, 09:00 PM
Please,Sasuke! For your brother......for your dead family......Don't become a cross dressing Envy from FMA rip off.

Ifuritas-fan
February 22, 2006, 09:01 PM
Words without proof are just speculations, anyway from ALL the new outfit you saw from the season 2 which one was lame?


Shino's was lame beyond compare.

God... that Gangsta' ninja look was just... LOL... And he acted all hurt that Naruto didn't recognize him.
What sort of a badass gansta acts hurt that you didn't recognize him.
I mean his old outfit was cool... this new one though... he's liek the Konoha version of Kenny from southpark.

Let's not even get into Chouji's armor. It wasn't as bad as Shino's.. but still.

Clearly Kishimoto needs a female on staff... one with some fashion sense.

However, I thank you for the comments... glad I could make you laugh a little at least. I know that I'm just joking to dull the pain. I like both Naruto and Sasuke. I'm even in the FC for both on NF and the BUBUNF but for god's sake... black lipstick and short shorts?
*weeps from the mental image*

Sasuke... wherefore art thou?

Supreme Alchemist Fan
February 22, 2006, 09:03 PM
Kiba's was cool. I liked Shino's but it looked too hot to be dressed in all that cloth. Naruto's just looks inside out. Well.....Sakura finally looks hot. Only took her 2.5 years to get my attention.

enzomars
February 22, 2006, 09:09 PM
Where's that Sasuke's new look spoilerpic y'all talking about?

And for the prediction part i'll just repeat myself:

I think or better, i'm sure that in 296 we're going to understand the meaning of Jiraiya's words back then at the hospital.
So... to illustrate the fact that Naruto in this form doesn't distinguish friends from enemies, Kishimoto's going to make Naruto go after Sakura (not Kabuto or Yamoto to make it more dramatic) now that Oro is out of sight. What's gonna make Oro go more Kukuku...how amusing!

Then Yamato will have to make his move. I'm not thinking about him sealing kyuubi or smth caus' i think his ability was not sealing but controlling the Jinchuruki (maybe by telling/showing him who is his real target). And against an opponent like Oro, sealing KN thus making him weaker is pure suicide.

For the next chapters, i've already say it but i'll repeat: Someone's gonna show up (don't know who) for this fight or arc to end. I can't imagine Oro running away from KN4 ( even Kabuto's not impressed by him ) or Letting them all escape alive. Ccl: A third party has to interrupt this arc.

Ifuritas-fan
February 22, 2006, 09:09 PM
Kiba's was cool. I liked Shino's but it looked too hot to be dressed in all that cloth. Naruto's just looks inside out. Well.....Sakura finally looks hot. Only took her 2.5 years to get my attention.


Kiba's is okay, but in my opinion.. it makes him look too young. I liked his old look more... it made him look older.

Ino and Sakura both look good. they have gotten in touch with their inner Kunoichi.

The FMB are of course a winner... as always, and the split skirt thing is interesting as an accessory.
Definate plusses for Sakura and Ino both.

I'm not a fan of Temari's new wardrobe, but Shikamaru looks good... very comfortable with his role.

lexiefaye
February 22, 2006, 09:15 PM
Well... on the backup backup NF board (Yes there is one... Lexi you really should go and pay it a visit) Thanks for the heads up. Going that way now. I have a lot to say about the anime too so double thanks.

animefeen
February 22, 2006, 09:21 PM
Thanks for the heads up. Going that way now. I have a lot to say about the anime too so double thanks.


The anime omg its only supposed to be going on for another month or so with fillers but the fillers have to start gearing towards the time skip because its getting close to a yr now of fillers..and another thing like I said before I dont think the manga is far out enough even when its supposed to come back in april to the anime...that's just my two cents tho...I got a feeling its going to be alot more filler eps. for the next yr or two with a mixture of manga eps...

lexiefaye
February 22, 2006, 09:48 PM
This conversation is offtopic but:

I won't be surprised if there is another short filler period between the gaara Arc and the Bridge Arc ... maybe the anime will have it as if the bridge event is going to be in a while so Team Kakashi does something else first or Team Yamato does some group training before the bridge ... I don't know ... seems like nothing could really be placed there that has Kakashi still down from the MS (reason he couldn't go to the bridge) and Team Yamato still freshly teamwork-screwed for this mission.

odlam
February 22, 2006, 10:56 PM
Dryo, the queen of all pranks and early misinformation, was the one who posted the spoiler this early? And thats where the short short pants and lipstick thing came from?

Well, I was slightly worried for a bit. WAS. Not any more.

I do think its possible that he appears, hes due to make an appearance any day now, but I wouldnt worry too much about the description.

Zero1986
February 22, 2006, 11:05 PM
I don't think Dyro purposoley misleads everyone ... every time. She's just the middleman. Anywho, I feel the same way about this Sasuske appearance that I've felt about all the other ones. It's not true. I believe like many other people that he'll show up in Chapter 300 with just a brief pic and then we can all get back to what's important. The story.

Ifuritas-fan
February 22, 2006, 11:20 PM
I don't think Dyro purposoley misleads everyone ... every time. She's just the middleman. Anywho, I feel the same way about this Sasuske appearance that I've felt about all the other ones. It's not true. I believe like many other people that he'll show up in Chapter 300 with just a brief pic and then we can all get back to what's important. The story.


To quote Bugs Bunny... You don't know her very well.. does you?

Dyro does, very intentionally at times, mislead. She does it in humorous and fun ways.. but she does mislead at times. Half the fun is figuring out which is good and bad.
[br]Posted at: February 22, 2006, 08:14:07 PM_________________________________________________

Dryo, the queen of all pranks and early misinformation, was the one who posted the spoiler this early? And thats where the short short pants and lipstick thing came from?

Well, I was slightly worried for a bit. WAS. Not any more.

I do think its possible that he appears, hes due to make an appearance any day now, but I wouldnt worry too much about the description.


I donno.. I 'm getting worried because supposedly this appeared on several japanese sites as well.
The thing is, the japanese might look at it as being cool... I donno.. I've not been there in a few years.. it could be that the goth thing really is in right now. If so... *shudder*

Tanuki-dono
February 22, 2006, 11:29 PM
I don't think Dyro purposoley misleads everyone ... every time.  She's just the middleman.  Anywho, I feel the same way about this Sasuske appearance that I've felt about all the other ones.  It's not true.  I believe like many other people that he'll show up in Chapter 300 with just a brief pic and then we can all get back to what's important.  The story.


Sounds about right - that he won't show up I mean. It's just....the imagined image of Sasuke being so...femmy made me shudder.

T0FFe3m@n
February 22, 2006, 11:30 PM
Dyro has made plenty of false statements about Sasuke showing up in X chapter in the past, this coupled with the fact that he, apparently, dons "short shorts" and "lipstick" kinda makes it clear what her intentions are..

Aaaaanyway, I dont actually think that the fight will end this chapter. For some reason I get the feeling that we'll be seeing a flashback of some sort during it..

Mizura
February 23, 2006, 12:03 AM
Short short shorts? So Sasuke's coming back in underwears? *raises eyebrows*

Anyway, I really doubt Sasuke's going to reappear in this chapter. If he does then so much the better, but in the meantime, I'm not jinxing it or getting unecessarily hyped. :P

C4animax
February 23, 2006, 12:34 AM
If you look to the anime (171 or so) sasuke had already left his shirt and t-shirt in the wardrobe, Neji also dropped the short so there is no way sasuke would come with the same outfit...

Zero1986
February 23, 2006, 12:41 AM
He could make a new one. I mean Oro is gay enough to be into wardrobing.

venicia777
February 23, 2006, 12:47 AM
He could make a new one.  I mean Oro is gay enough to be into wardrobing.


i thought sasuke was more gay. But with oro constantly changing bodies he sure seems to be capable of having a wardrobe fit for man/woman

acidhusky
February 23, 2006, 12:53 AM
Okay, so Naruto changed into 4 tail Kyuubi right. And he's clothes got ripped off right (no, this isn't a perverted post), so isn't the necklace ripped off as well? And Yamato needs that neckclace to help seal Naruto...right? Dude, I'm confused. I understand a lot of things, but I'm kinda confused around this stuff. :P

Tanuki-dono
February 23, 2006, 01:03 AM
Okay, so Naruto changed into 4 tail Kyuubi right. And he's clothes got ripped off right (no, this isn't a perverted post), so isn't the necklace ripped off as well? And Yamato needs that neckclace to help seal Naruto...right? Dude, I'm confused. I understand a lot of things, but I'm kinda confused around this stuff. :P


I was under the impression that the clothing was still on underneath. *shrug* I also think that if the necklace had come off, there would have been a panel drawing our attention to that, and there wasn't.

kamendex
February 23, 2006, 01:04 AM
Okay, so Naruto changed into 4 tail Kyuubi right. And he's clothes got ripped off right (no, this isn't a perverted post), so isn't the necklace ripped off as well? And Yamato needs that neckclace to help seal Naruto...right? Dude, I'm confused. I understand a lot of things, but I'm kinda confused around this stuff. :P

It said it was chakra covering his body

But Jiraiya said his skin gets ripped off

I dunno its all confusing

glasskatana
February 23, 2006, 01:06 AM
Okay, so Naruto changed into 4 tail Kyuubi right. And he's clothes got ripped off right (no, this isn't a perverted post), so isn't the necklace ripped off as well? And Yamato needs that neckclace to help seal Naruto...right? Dude, I'm confused. I understand a lot of things, but I'm kinda confused around this stuff. :P

We never actually see Naruto's clothes get ripped off. I believe what we are seeing now is simply an opaque chakra shroud instead of a transparent one. So when it dissapears, Naruto will still have clothes and the necklace. Now for my own predictions:

I've noticed that during these fights kishi has purposely made parallels between the way Naruto fights and the way Oro fights. (Extending chakra extending sword.)
If you want to see the greatest example of this look at page 10 of chapter 294. As Oro's body reattaches so does Naruto and his chakra body. Also pages 1 (Naruto's head near ground, Oro's head near ground) and page 5 and 6 (chakra arm vs. snake arm).

Wouldn't it be weird (though still possible) if Naruto's hands grab the sword and Naruto opens his mouth to the sky and out comes a chakra hand that starts rushing Oro. The only other thing I can think of is Oro looking surprised as he sees that one of Naruto tails is deep in the ground and then the tail bursts out of the ground and Oro finds himself wrapped up in a burning hot chakra tail. I guess I'll find out if I'm right tomorrow. Tell me your thoughts.

acidhusky
February 23, 2006, 01:19 AM
Also, if you read the around the beginningof Part 2, Tsunada and Jiraiya were talking about how thier students have became sorta similar to them. Naruto being more perverted and Sakura being more "when shes angry its really ouch pow pow", no doubt sasuke would be more evil. so yea.[br]Posted at: February 22, 2006, 10:13:40 PM_________________________________________________about the clothes ripped off post: blood is only in the body and it only covers his skin....it wouldn't cover the clthes because clothes don't have blood (sorta common sense but i dunno how else to explain what i was gettin' at)[br]Posted at: February 22, 2006, 10:16:28 PM_________________________________________________off topic: @ glasskatana i love your signature btw. :P

glasskatana
February 23, 2006, 01:30 AM
Thanks. Wow... talk about a short post.

acidhusky
February 23, 2006, 01:39 AM
WAIT! I thought of something. If that Kyuubi chakra is hot enough to burn that snake from Orochimaru's armpit (ch. 294 page 7 i think, okay, i know its his arm...but armpit sounds funnier)...then it should be hot enough to burn clothes. right?

meep, i need to shut up about this clothes issue.

glasskatana
February 23, 2006, 01:48 AM
Peraps only the outside part is hot not the inside. If the inside were hot Naruto would not only spend the rest of his life a burn victim but his skin would have melted, not flaked off. Also Naruto would probably be dead. Nice thought (well actually not very nice to think about)... nice try. Yeah that sounds better.