Naruto 517 Discussion

[3c]

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[LoS]

Well, that spoiler doesn't let us know anything.

Anko captured... hmmmm when will a person from the good side bite the dust? Tired of these capturings and such

[Alterno]

God bless... I would like to say that the 1st spoiler is probably fake, is not from a confirmed 2ch.net spoiler reporter, in other words not from Ohana... just from a regular poster.

[Revvo]

So Sais "brother" is one of the resurrected ones. Makes sense,... seems like every dead ninja we ever heard about got edotenseid, following this logic kabuto really might have the sage of the 6 paths in this one box ( but i doubt it)... I'm not to sure if i like this.
And Anko gets captured aswell.... just throw her next to yamato and the zetzus can use snake hands xD

also from the spoiler it reads as if kankuro is using his squad as puppets?

Ps:
many of you have probaply already pointed this out but 2 of the summoned dead appear in the third shippuden movie as bloodline-users. (wtf is up with that, I hope naruto doesn't win this war by creating 6 Billion Rasengans at once and finishing it with a giant MeteorRasengan like in the movie ...)

also one thing why isn't kabuto ressurecting orochimaru?

[3c]

God bless... I would like to say that the 1st spoiler is probably fake, is not from a confirmed 2ch.net spoiler reporter, in other words not from Ohana... just from a regular poster.

Actually it's from 69ruma, Bleach's spoiler provider. The spoiler poster just didn't include it here, I'll edit it in. So yeah it's real.

Personally I'm indifferent about Anko's capture. I could care less about her at this point, I never expected a full out epic fight anyway. She was easily dispatched by Orochimaru back in part 1, if she would have made things difficult for Kabuto it would be embarrassing at this point.

I sure hope there's some pages dedicated to Naruto's training. That last page was the only part of the last chapter that got me really interested.

[Vite Zeus]

also one thing why isn't kabuto ressurecting orochimaru?

i liked the part were zetsu get snake hands..that was hilarious..
As for oro's resurrection, oro is put in eternal genjutsu and is not dead to be edo tenseied..
As for spoilers the first post is quite vague..need more details to get the whole picture..I wonder what happened to the 3 recons running for their lives..
Lastly, like I've predicted in benelori's 516 chapter review thread I knew anko wont be killed but instead would get captured

[Banedor]

also one thing why isn't kabuto ressurecting orochimaru?

Technically Orochimaru isn't dead as far as I'm concerned. He's seal away forever in a genjutsu of Itachi's.

It's pretty much why the 4th wasn't resurrected as they're not in the world of the dead but in a world of the sealed and gentjutsu I suppose you can word it like that.

[da_ni]

there wasn't much on it... Anko got capturd... REALLY??

Also, it appears ther is some presentation on Kankurou's force, seems ok...
But did Kankurous force engaged Sasori and Deidara? seems like it, since there's a casualty already. and there wasn't any mention on Tokuma...

[mrmgomes]

Hope we get some development... If the whole chapter's around this spoiler, it's gonna be disappointing.

[3c]

I just hope Sasori doesn't die first again! And what would be more dissapointing than Kankurou killing him? I mean seriously, just a few months ago Kankurou got stomped like a 5 year old by Sasori. Besides I have a hard time imagining Kankurou being able to kill him in the first place, how would he kill Sasori? Stab him in the "heart" with a poisonous blade? Like that would damage an Edo Tenseid Sasori. Sasori seeing Kankurou use his old "body" as a puppet will be priceless though, guess Sasori got what he always wanted, to be everlasting.

[Junaid_Sennin]

Holy Crap! I never even noticed it last week, but that Ne zombie is totally Sai's dead brother! Did anyone else already notice it? I haven't been on the forums the past couple of weeks because all everyone talks about is Edo Tensei, which frankly I couldn't care less about. But this looks good! Pity the Aburame dies, I had grown attached to her.

[Vite Zeus]

Rest assured the edo tenseied sasori wont die first..the edo tenseied zombies are invincible in the 1st place..they can regenerate at will unless they are destroyed to intimisal pieces..
About that anbu zombi being sai's brother was much talked about and discussed in the forums..IIRC benelori too did mention the same in his last chapter review..

[xXan]

Damn edo tensei its realy boring ... Anko get's captured ... Yeah i can't belive it ... What is next Ten Ten vs Madara ?
This manga is turning into that movie, Night of the living dead.
The only Edo Tensei i whant to see fighting are Nagato and Itachi but of course those are going to be among the last to be showed.

[vizardichigo]

Technically Orochimaru isn't dead as far as I'm concerned. He's seal away forever in a genjutsu of Itachi's.

It's pretty much why the 4th wasn't resurrected as they're not in the world of the dead but in a world of the sealed and gentjutsu I suppose you can word it like that.

Umm actually thats a large flaw on Kishi's part. The 4th WAS SUMMONED but Hiruzen stopped it...Had he not he would have resurrected as he was already summoned and the conditions were already met by Oro...Remember how Oro's spirit arms were sealed, yet he could still do ninjutsu after changing bodies? That's a plot hole as spirit hands shouldn't be affected by changing physical bodies.

Anyway on to the chapter. Seems pretty blah to me. But i guess this is officially were the war begins. What Division is Sai in again? I guess that means whatever division that he's in are leading the charge. Also finally we get to see Sai's brother after all this time. Nice. That should bring some tension to this battle. I dont really care much for Anko because in reality she hasnt done much for the story so her being captured kinda flew under my radar.

[patz]

I really wonder why Sasori didn't use Sandaime Kazekage but controlling people instead. Does he lost all puppets in his stock? If he doesn't have any puppet, then he isn't interesting anymore.

[Rowel]

So wait Sai is going to fight Omoi and Shin at the same time? I guess Kishi is running out of characters already for the alliance to fight. lol

[DEATHBOTT]

I really wonder why Sasori didn't use Sandaime Kazekage but controlling people instead. Does he lost all puppets in his stock? If he doesn't have any puppet, then he isn't interesting anymore.
zabuza doesnt have a sword either.:( it would be smarter if kabuto just resurcted the 3rd kazekage instead though.

yeah its been known about the 4 kg users from the movie and sai's brother for a while now. damn kishi make some random ninja please.

i doubt kabuto would want to summon oro even if he could seeing as he probably sees oro as a part of him now.

and visardichigo
1 its not clear who oro summoned. would make more sense if you assumed it was someone else.
2 perhaps your spirit or soul can be repaired/healed
neither are necessarily plot holes.

[jdw]

Sai meeting up with his brother already is quite surprising. I thought Sai would hear something strange on the battlefield first, giving him the idea his brother might be "alive" or something, and maybe encounter him later.

It doesn't surprise me that Anko is defeated, since she is basically fodder. I am surprised that Kabuto captured her instead of killing her. I wonder if she is of any true use to him or if he is somehow sparing her.

[Nieuwsgierig]

Umm actually thats a large flaw on Kishi's part. The 4th WAS SUMMONED but Hiruzen stopped it...Had he not he would have resurrected as he was already summoned and the conditions were already met by Oro....No, there is no proof for that. The 4 doesn't appear in the manga and the second hokage comes from the chest marked 1.

- Anko being captured is stupid. Unless Kabuto has specific plans for her, she needed to be killed in a nice fight. I'm hoping there is at least a fight.

- Sai versus his brother. Predictable, good for character development. Can only end with Sai surviving though.

- So Sasori is already controlling an entire team of Alliance ninja's, killed one and is now facing the one lone ninja that won't be killed. I hope Kankuro has only one option and that is to kill those Alliance ninja's and flee. I call BS if he defeats Sasori here and now.

[ashher]

I've been saying kabuto is gonna use anko to send some message to the alliance heads, to propose a deal.

[patz]

No, there is no proof for that. The 4 doesn't appear in the manga and the second hokage comes from the chest marked 1.

- Anko being captured is stupid. Unless Kabuto has specific plans for her, she needed to be killed in a nice fight. I'm hoping there is at least a fight.

- Sai versus his brother. Predictable, good for character development. Can only end with Sai surviving though.

- So Sasori is already controlling an entire team of Alliance ninja's, killed one and is now facing the one lone ninja that won't be killed. I hope Kankuro has only one option and that is to kill those Alliance ninja's and flee. I call BS if he defeats Sasori here and now.
May be capturing Anko has something to do with Yamato.

If Sasori's controlling human, what else Chiyo can entertain us? I still think puppet-less Sasori is boring. When you use opuppets, you just summon them. So why didn't Sasori summon Sandaime Kazekage or those his 100 puppets.

I also want to know what kind of jutsu does Sai's brother use? May be Sai, his brother, Sasori, Deidara should hold the art contest.

[hermallorn]

I do hope we won't see a linear plot no jutsu, where all E.T. people face people dear to them...
Hopefully, naruto's overflowing life energy will really resurrect all these E.T. ninja's!

[xXan]

No, there is no proof for that. The 4 doesn't appear in the manga and the second hokage comes from the chest marked 1.

- Anko being captured is stupid. Unless Kabuto has specific plans for her, she needed to be killed in a nice fight. I'm hoping there is at least a fight.

- Sai versus his brother. Predictable, good for character development. Can only end with Sai surviving though.

- So Sasori is already controlling an entire team of Alliance ninja's, killed one and is now facing the one lone ninja that won't be killed. I hope Kankuro has only one option and that is to kill those Alliance ninja's and flee. I call BS if he defeats Sasori here and now.

Yeah i agree with you. We need some type of weakness for those damn undead. As they are now they can't be killed if you can't remove souls.
Where is Nagato when you need him ... Ah right he is undead to .. DAMN. :P


I do hope we won't see a linear plot no jutsu, where all E.T. people face people dear to them...
Hopefully, naruto's overflowing life energy will really resurrect all these E.T. ninja's!

What ? No, God i hope not. Let the dead be dead. Well perhaps we can make a exception on Itachi and Jirayia (if he get's resurected to) but ONLY because I like them ... HIHIHI.

[patz]

I do hope we won't see a linear plot no jutsu, where all E.T. people face people dear to them...
Hopefully, naruto's overflowing life energy will really resurrect all these E.T. ninja's!
That's what Kabuto wants. He want to use zombies against their love people.

Here: http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/45984461/6

Would it be interesting if Dan won't meet Tsunade but Sakura instead? NO!!!

[Revvo]

I do hope we won't see a linear plot no jutsu, where all E.T. people face people dear to them...
Hopefully, naruto's overflowing life energy will really resurrect all these E.T. ninja's!

prediction:

Narutos pure lifepower will ressurect nagato at the end of the war who will revive all fallen ninja then die and be ressurected via lifepower again. Madara, Zetzu and Kabuto will be sent to the turtell-island where they chill and play poker all day. All will be good and then Sasuke appears ripping the bandaid from his eyes screaming "i will kill you all" just to see itachi in front of him with a weird expression asking: "dude what the fuck?". While in the background Sasukes dead parents and clan memebers who got ressurected for some reason aswell all shake their heads in dissapointment.

=> sasuke atemerasus them all out of shame and joins madara,zetzu and kabuto (who are in need of a forth player anyways).

[Sannom]

If Sasori's controlling human, what else Chiyo can entertain us? I still think puppet-less Sasori is boring. When you use opuppets, you just summon them. So why didn't Sasori summon Sandaime Kazekage or those his 100 puppets.


Sasori doesn't summon his puppets, he stores them in special scrolls. Without the scrolls, he can't access his puppets.

[samsiufan]

All these Jounins seem to be fodder to me...I guess there are jounins and there are jounins...Looking at a lot of them, I am not sure that they are good...maybe a handful!

Sounds and interesting chapter especially with Sai's brother appearing...

[SupremeMod]

I'm confused. Exactly what is happening between Sai, his brother, and Omoi?

[lordHokage]

I am disappointing that Kankurou killed Sasori so easily and he kicked the bucket before Deidara or Asuma. Kabuto capturing Anko, I am not surprised and I think he is going to use Yamato as leverage to strike a deal with the Alliance. If Sai wants to free his brother from Kabuto's hold, Omoi is Sai's "Will of Fire". :D

[Sannom]

I'm confused. Exactly what is happening between Sai, his brother, and Omoi?

With the latest spoiler, it seems that Saï's brother appears, Saï is shocked and probably expresses it to his teammates, and Omoi says "I can't forgive someone who would make comrades fight against each other!". Omoi's comment is both about Kabuto using the dead and Sasori using the remnants of Anko's squads as unwilling puppets.

[Vite Zeus]

Has kankurou used his sasori puppet I wonder..if so I wanna see sasori's face/reaction to seeing himself being used as a puppet in his enemy's hands..

[SupremeMod]

So right now Kankurou is fighting Sasori using a Sasori puppet? lol That's gotta be weird as hell! Fighting your real body...

[sarutobi_sensei]

So much for Anko being a good figthter --'

Lol most of them are killed, Sasori controlls the rest. Damn. This is good :D Alliance is taking hits :D

Like I said some time ago, I predict that this war is a major fluke for the alliance, they lose, are forced to live "underground" for some time until a new leader appears. And that leader is Naruto :D

I can really see it.

Even the villages being destroyed, Tobi controlling them for a while, but not being able to awaken the Juubi because he doesn't have the 8 tails and 9 tails.

[THM Nindo]

Interesting as always...
I'm kinda glad that Anko survived, but I questionned the reasoning behind it...

If everyone of her squad is dead, it means that she is the ONLY one that can tell them about what they discovered.

At least, there are already some death...
Feel bad for the Aburame girl... first casualty of the 4th Great ninja war...

Sasori using people instead of puppets is a nice idea from Kishi!
It's better than reusing the same stuff we saw before.

Honestly, Kankuro is good, but not enough to beat Sasori in my opinion...
Especially that, for beating him, he will have to kill his puppets, which are his companions...

It's going to be an interesting fight.

[kh2masta]

so does anko die or get captured? these spoiler arent explaining anything.

[LnDRash]

Haha... I was wondering how the Sasori Zombie would fight without the gimmicks of his mechanical body... now I know the answer: He pulls a Donquixote Doflamingo on us :P

[THM Nindo]

The spoiler suggesting that Anko died is only something that Ohana heard... she hasn't even read the chapter yet.

So, I think the other spoiler suggesting that she was captured is most likely more reliable right now...

[Eprst]

No no no, i beleive the war started so a lot of characters will start to die now. SO Anko dies - that is my guess, she didnt play much in the manga so this way Kishi can deactivate unnecessary persons to concentrate on main heroes.

[samsiufan]

Dead...Dead...Dead...the alliance seems to be taken heavy damage at the moment..

[da_ni]

All these Jounins seem to be fodder to me...I guess there are jounins and there are jounins...Looking at a lot of them, I am not sure that they are good...maybe a handful!

Sounds and interesting chapter especially with Sai's brother appearing...

note that not only jounin where jackets... chuunins also do... ant that aburame guy had appeared before, he was alongside Shino and Chibi when they faced konan. at the time, he appeared to be the same age as shino, at least their stature was bout the same.

[patz]

No no no, i beleive the war started so a lot of characters will start to die now. SO Anko dies - that is my guess, she didnt play much in the manga so this way Kishi can deactivate unnecessary persons to concentrate on main heroes.
I hope Anko doesn't die. At least she should show us some cool jutsus before she dies. We haven't seen what kind of jutsu that she wanted to use on Orochimaru back then.

[samsiufan]

note that not only jounin where jackets... chuunins also do... ant that aburame guy had appeared before, he was alongside Shino and Chibi when they faced konan. at the time, he appeared to be the same age as shino, at least their stature was bout the same.

fair point and I agree - but Anko taken or killed so easily and Yamato before that..seems like fodder to me...

[Sage ninetail]

Even though the spoiler is short, I like it very much.
the first blood has been drawn and it seems like kishi gonna do a lot of cleaning.
Nice idea to allow sasori use humans as a puppets, like what chiyo did with sakura back to their fight.
The most interesting is that they will kill each other and that is very sadistic to me and I like it.
kankuro's unit seems to have trouble, specially sai who happen to meet his brother.
seems like kabuto was right about the emotional impact.
kankoru's unit gonna take a lot of damages.
waiting for a more detail spoiler

[Mack]

it seems like kishi gonna do a lot of cleaning.

Nice one. I also think that he is not going to take it easy. War will be rough. Looking forward who else is gonna die.

Another Deathly Hallows coming!:D

[gold349]

Anko fighting 'the real' Kabuto and not a KB/clone was sure to lose, Kabuto hype and importance in the war as well as his potential for a major villain protects him from defeat/kill.

Sasori has turned the fallen nins into his puppets, one was a byakugan user and another was from the Aburame clan very intresting still Konakaro has 'sasori puppet' with Omoi and Sai on his team they should manage even with Sai being emotionally whacked by seeing his blood brother.

[street_san]

I think I'm one of the few who thinks that Kankuro is now at Sasori level, giving him the chance to defeat him. I mean, since the "rescue Gaara arc", I can't imagine him doing nothing, no training leaving him at the same level. I bet he did some serious training with his new puppet, mastering a lot of new moves. I think that now, Kankuro might have a real chance against Sasori.

[lordHokage]

If Tokuma's not name is mention in this chapter, I'll be very disappointed. I'm so bored right now, Kankurou will kill Sasori for sure and Sai will rescue his brother from Kabuto's hold. :(

[Alterno]

I think I'm one of the few who thinks that Kankuro is now at Sasori level, giving him the chance to defeat him. I mean, since the "rescue Gaara arc", I can't imagine him doing nothing, no training leaving him at the same level. I bet he did some serious training with his new puppet, mastering a lot of new moves. I think that now, Kankuro might have a real chance against Sasori.

Kankouru didn't lose due being inferior to Sasori, which could be true... he lost because his puppets were created by Sasori, so he knew all the weaknesses of each puppet. Kankouru was revealed as the best puppet master of Suna after the death of Chiyo.

[Invader]

If Sasori's controlling human, what else Chiyo can entertain us? I still think puppet-less Sasori is boring. When you use opuppets, you just summon them. So why didn't Sasori summon Sandaime Kazekage or those his 100 puppets.

If this is the case, then it reinforces my position that it makes no sense for Edo Tensei to rez zombies in such a way as to give them access to swords, puppets, hearts, and "everything" the ninja had when alive.

Think about it. Edo Tensei uses a human body sacrifice and dirt to house the target's soul. The soul is just a representation of the person's memories and mind. Your soul isn't your body, and your soul certainly does not have pants, car keys, pocket knives, wallets, or any of the 'stuff' you carry around in real life. It's a freaking GHOST. No more.

The sacrifice and the dirt do nothing except replicate the FORM of the target. The physical components cannot possibly duplicate actual, unique real-world objects. It's just dirt taking the shape of 'stuff'. It makes no sense for shaped dirt to duplicate ninja scrolls, summons, swords, puppets, extra hearts, bijju, or any of that stuff.

As far as Sasori is concerned... Until I learn otherwise, I am assuming that his Edo Tensei zombie body isn't even a puppet at all. Edo Tensei would duplicate his REAL body - not his self mutilated puppet body. He will know all his puppet jutsu, and his mind-control jutsu, and he is still powerful. But he is probably NOT going to be the puppet he was in life, and he certainly should not have his wrecked puppets.

[Brill]

Well Sasori using human puppets isn't suprising now that A) he's a meatbag and not a puppet himself and B) has none of his summoning scrolls so he can't bring back the puppets he used against Sakura and Chiyo. It's good to see some limitations are being put on the Edo Tensei so this won't be completely one-sided.

I guess the one question I have is will Sasori be able to use genjutsu and ninjutsu with these puppets? We only saw Chiyo doing taijutsu when using Sakura. This could be the second limitation put on Sasori. It he has puppets that can only do taijutsu that's one thing, if he has puppets which can do genjutsu and ninjutsu-this gets real interesting real fast.

[Jessie]

I think I'm one of the few who thinks that Kankuro is now at Sasori level, giving him the chance to defeat him. I mean, since the "rescue Gaara arc", I can't imagine him doing nothing, no training leaving him at the same level. I bet he did some serious training with his new puppet, mastering a lot of new moves. I think that now, Kankuro might have a real chance against Sasori.
If Kankuro is at Sasori's level then you can only imagine where the other original 15 genin are. Neji, Shikamaru, Shino, Lee, Choji, Kiba, Temari, etc. Kishi might have decided to power them up for the war and let the audience assume they were training off-screen to explain their sudden jump in power. The Fourth Databook will likely show a lot of huge jumps in the stats.

[THM Nindo]

If Kankuro is at Sasori's level then you can only imagine where the other original 15 genin are. Neji, Shikamaru, Shino, Lee, Choji, Kiba, Temari, etc. Kishi might have decided to power them up for the war and let the audience assume they were training off-screen to explain their sudden jump in power. The Fourth Databook will likely show a lot of huge jumps in the stats.

Well, to be honest, we didn't see any of the Konoha12 in a fight since the timeskip, so Kishi can do whatever he wants...

He can put them as strong as he wants, basically...

[da_ni]

If this is the case, then it reinforces my position that it makes no sense for Edo Tensei to rez zombies in such a way as to give them access to swords, puppets, hearts, and "everything" the ninja had when alive.

Think about it. Edo Tensei uses a human body sacrifice and dirt to house the target's soul. The soul is just a representation of the person's memories and mind. Your soul isn't your body, and your soul certainly does not have pants, car keys, pocket knives, wallets, or any of the 'stuff' you carry around in real life. It's a freaking GHOST. No more.

The sacrifice and the dirt do nothing except replicate the FORM of the target. The physical components cannot possibly duplicate actual, unique real-world objects. It's just dirt taking the shape of 'stuff'. It makes no sense for shaped dirt to duplicate ninja scrolls, summons, swords, puppets, extra hearts, bijju, or any of that stuff.

As far as Sasori is concerned... Until I learn otherwise, I am assuming that his Edo Tensei zombie body isn't even a puppet at all. Edo Tensei would duplicate his REAL body - not his self mutilated puppet body. He will know all his puppet jutsu, and his mind-control jutsu, and he is still powerful. But he is probably NOT going to be the puppet he was in life, and he certainly should not have his wrecked puppets.

I agree with the part were you refer to weapons, and puppets, etc... But, i place the doujutsu in a diferent category. We could argue that the chakra from the soul could change the power of the eyes? For instance, each person has it chakra nature, we could se this doujutsu the same way, the eyes are fisical, but maybe the chakra of the individual posessing that eye for so long, maybe the powers remained with ones chakra? or kabuto could suply Itachis fake body with a diferent set of eyes? that wouldn't be a problem for Tobi to arrange that. And Tobi is only using one eye, Nagato could be using the other one!!!
Is sasori the real bodys? He could change the bodies into puppets... intereste to find out if/how tokuma lost the battle. do we get to see how it went down?

[warbandit66]

Kankurou has always been a strong contender. Remember when he and his siblings swooped in and took out some of the sound four with relative ease? Plus I doubt the puppets that where used by Sasori could be effectively wielded by an unskilled puppeteer.

[chilibun]

As far as Sasori is concerned... Until I learn otherwise, I am assuming that his Edo Tensei zombie body isn't even a puppet at all. Edo Tensei would duplicate his REAL body - not his self mutilated puppet body. He will know all his puppet jutsu, and his mind-control jutsu, and he is still powerful. But he is probably NOT going to be the puppet he was in life, and he certainly should not have his wrecked puppets.

I completely agree with you, but unfortunately, his Edo body is most likely a puppet. If ET resurrected his real body, it should be that of a 35 year old man.

[THM Nindo]

I completely agree with you, but unfortunately, his Edo body is most likely a puppet. If ET resurrected his real body, it should be that of a 35 year old man.

Actually, if he resurrected his body, it should only have been the little container he had on his chest...

[da_ni]

If Kankuro is at Sasori's level then you can only imagine where the other original 15 genin are. Neji, Shikamaru, Shino, Lee, Choji, Kiba, Temari, etc. Kishi might have decided to power them up for the war and let the audience assume they were training off-screen to explain their sudden jump in power. The Fourth Databook will likely show a lot of huge jumps in the stats.
i'll be really surprised if kankurou will be a match for sasori... Kankurou may be strong, but sasori is on another league, a hole diferent one. Maybe it's me that's underestimating him...it's like seeing Shino and Chouji beating Kage level ninjas...it doesn't feel right...Kankurou may be Jounin level, but Sasori was able to defeat Sandaime Kazekage, labeled as the strongest kazekage ever... We don't know how the fight went on, i'm assuming Sasori's poison had a huge role in the fight, but that doesn't change the fact that he did win.

On Sasori, wether his body is a real body or not... i gues that's up to how Kabuto build him, if he only used ash on the place where Sasori gathered his chakra (on his chest) or if he created a real body. The edo tensei requires a real body for sacrifice, so i gues Kabuto couldn't fit a real body inside that little thing, it must be a real body :) :)

[chilibun]

Actually, if he resurrected his body, it should only have been the little container he had on his chest...

The soul and natural body should mirror each other. Sasori is not born as a container. ET should not duplicate altered bodies otherwise, Itachi and Pain would have no eyes, Deidari should be in a billion pieces, etc.

[KiSwordsman]

May be capturing Anko has something to do with Yamato.

If Sasori's controlling human, what else Chiyo can entertain us? I still think puppet-less Sasori is boring. When you use opuppets, you just summon them. So why didn't Sasori summon Sandaime Kazekage or those his 100 puppets.


Dude I want you to think about that. One, Sakura destroyed the kazekage puppet, two, If mister five finger discount a.k.a Kankuro jacked Sasori's puppet body, then it's very likely that the 100 puppets that Sasori didn't use in his battle with chiyo and sakura are either destroyed or in suna's possession. The former being more likely then the latter due to the fact that they were Human puppets

[Vite Zeus]

Certain things I realized from the spoilers are
1. The primary reason why kabuto must have lead the recon team to madara's base was to make the recon team members live puppets for sasori and get more live sacrifices for his own needs..how convenient!!
2. Gaara is leading the whole troop and probably would be the one to face sasori first once kankurou is done with..imagine if he becomes sasori's next live puppet..wow another big blow for the alliance..its not like its least possible..sasori was the one who took down the third kazekage..now he is even deadlier with his zombi form..gaara being sasori's puppet who inturn is a puppet of kabuto is a great joke to watch.. :P
3. Sad though but I guess the reason why they killed the aburame nin straight away must have been, that she could have been a potential threat to deidara/sasori's fighting style..which hints one weakness for the bad guys..
3. Sad again though, she was the very one who had hoped in the previous chapter for anko's safety..anko though safe she is in a way, the aburame nin was least aware of her death call..I inturn "hope" that she is not shino's sister or anything, if is the case then perhaps we may get to see some facial expressions from shino in coming chapters who has not done that so far..

[KiSwordsman]

I think I'm one of the few who thinks that Kankuro is now at Sasori level, giving him the chance to defeat him. I mean, since the "rescue Gaara arc", I can't imagine him doing nothing, no training leaving him at the same level. I bet he did some serious training with his new puppet, mastering a lot of new moves. I think that now, Kankuro might have a real chance against Sasori.

I'd have to disagree dude. The difference between Sasori and Kankuro is that Sasori makes his own Puppets, Kankuro doesn't as we already know. The fact that it's Sasori's own puppet body that Kankuro is using doesn't help Kankuro at all. If we learned anything from their last battle it would be that it's really not a good Idea to fight someone with tools, puppets in this case, made by the person you're fighting. Granted, Kankuro did make some changes to Sasori's body, but In my opinion that doesn't put him anywhere near Sasori. It will be hilarious If Sasori is able to beat him in the same way he did the first time, exploiting the weakness of his own puppet body to take Kankuro down, But given the theme of the manga, new gen surpassing the old, I doubt it will happen.

[street_san]

I'd have to disagree dude. The difference between Sasori and Kankuro is that Sasori makes his own Puppets, Kankuro doesn't as we already know. The fact that it's Sasori's own puppet body that Kankuro is using doesn't help Kankuro at all. If we learned anything from their last battle it would be that it's really not a good Idea to fight someone with tools, puppets in this case, made by the person you're fighting. Granted, Kankuro did make some changes to Sasori's body, but In my opinion that doesn't put him anywhere near Sasori. It will be hilarious If Sasori is able to beat him in the same way he did the first time, exploiting the weakness of his own puppet body to take Kankuro down, But given the theme of the manga, new gen surpassing the old, I doubt it will happen.

I understand what you're trying to say but even if someone is able to make his own puppet, his power will be define by the way he is able to use the puppets to their full potentials.

That's why I think that Kankuro is now at Sasori level. I do believe that he have 200% knowledge of the weakness and strength of his puppets and that he was able adjust his strategy or anything. Speaking of Kankuro and Sasori, even if Sasori was the one who design Kankuro puppets, if Kankuro did his study well, then he must know, just as much as Sasori, all the bad parts of his puppet and develop some way to counter those weaknesses. Kankuro isn't someone who like losing to someone and he seems to be the kind of guy who's going to do anything to get stronger if he lose against an opponent.

I'm 100% sure that Kankuro has develop new moves with his puppet that Sasori never thought of. As I said, it's one thing creating puppet, it's another thing mastering your puppets. And with all the time Kankuro as spent with his puppet, I bet he became godly with them.

[sadffffff]

If this is the case, then it reinforces my position that it makes no sense for Edo Tensei to rez zombies in such a way as to give them access to swords, puppets, hearts, and "everything" the ninja had when alive.

Think about it. Edo Tensei uses a human body sacrifice and dirt to house the target's soul. The soul is just a representation of the person's memories and mind. Your soul isn't your body, and your soul certainly does not have pants, car keys, pocket knives, wallets, or any of the 'stuff' you carry around in real life. It's a freaking GHOST. No more.

The sacrifice and the dirt do nothing except replicate the FORM of the target. The physical components cannot possibly duplicate actual, unique real-world objects. It's just dirt taking the shape of 'stuff'. It makes no sense for shaped dirt to duplicate ninja scrolls, summons, swords, puppets, extra hearts, bijju, or any of that stuff.

As far as Sasori is concerned... Until I learn otherwise, I am assuming that his Edo Tensei zombie body isn't even a puppet at all. Edo Tensei would duplicate his REAL body - not his self mutilated puppet body. He will know all his puppet jutsu, and his mind-control jutsu, and he is still powerful. But he is probably NOT going to be the puppet he was in life, and he certainly should not have his wrecked puppets.

man, ive been watching your posts on this Edo Tensei stuff for weeks. seems to really bother you. taking other peoples posts and refuting point by point. or maybe youre just enthusiastic. funny.

anyways you talk about the dirt and ash not being able to make swords and weapons. ash is mostly carbon. carbon can be very hard. they use it to harden metal. dirt is made of small rocks and silicon and metal and pieces of organic matter. i see no reason that dirt and ash cant make a sword, or a puppet, or any multitude of objects. even perfect replicas. maybe the 'soul' carrys knowledge of their structure since the subject was with the object so long, "it became part of his being", or something.

even beyond that. youre critiquing what a soul can and cant have. a soul is just a construct too. youve never seen a soul, you cant say what a soul has/can do. some poeple dont believe in souls, theyre just faith. This is a manga, doenst have to be scientifically accurate. But as far as im seeing-- making these physical objects is plausible if you accept bringing back a dead mans soul with "chakra".

if you dont like the whats going on, thats a valid opinion. if you think it makes for bad writing, thats also your opinion. I'm rather enjoying all this. but then, I like zombies, and i think kabuto will encounter his own limitations in trying to control them. For now, im excited to see whats next.

[THM Nindo]

I find Omoi funny and I hope he doesn't die...

[3c]

Regarding the discussion around Kankurou's power level, he can't possibly be at Sasori's level. Sasori was honestly one of the strongest Akatsuki, and held one of the most impressive stats in the whole databook. Just because he now uses a puppet of Sasori doesn't mean he can match him in overall battle experience. Kankurou is such a second rate puppeteer compared to Sasori and Chiyo that it aint even funny. Besides how would he kill Sasori? Stab him with a poisonous blade? It'll take a little more than that to kill Sasori in his Edo Tenseid form.


Well, to be honest, we didn't see any of the Konoha12 in a fight since the timeskip, so Kishi can do whatever he wants...

He can put them as strong as he wants, basically...

He really can't without pulling a huge retcon. He released the 4th databook with their combat stats prior to Naruto's Sage Mode boost, and none of the rookies were highly impressive except for Sasuke, who's stats were quite high. Naruto has obviously gone through a massive boost, but I doubt any of the rookies have gone through an even remotely equal boost. The Konoha rookies can't possibly be that powerful with the exception of Neji who's stats may lie.

Who of the rookies have even shown the ability to take out Akatsuki members? Sasuke and Naruto. They're the only ones at Akatsuki's level, again perhaps with the exception of Neji. And please, Shikamaru only took out Hidan because he had fought him before and planned out every single detail of the fight. In a fair fight he would have been obliterated without team mates to save him and days of planning. Sakura although putting up a great display against Sasori was basically just Chiyo's backup.

[Oathencrantz]

Yea, tbh, I'm not ready to put Kankuro anywhere near Sasori's or Chiyo's level yet; they use original techniques and puppets, whereas he uses leftovers. I don't doubt that he's trained extremely hard though since his quick defeat to Sasori, plus he's got him as a puppet.

[ur owned foo]

chapter sucks. leave the fillers for the anime. I want to see naruto's development at least.

[Eprst]

Kankuro will die, these will make Gaara bad ass! OR maybe Sakura will heal him again :)

[Jessie]

He really can't without pulling a huge retcon. He released the 4th databook with their combat stats prior to Naruto's Sage Mode boost, and none of the rookies were highly impressive except for Sasuke, who's stats were quite high. Naruto has obviously gone through a massive boost, but I doubt any of the rookies have gone through an even remotely equal boost. The Konoha rookies can't possibly be that powerful with the exception of Neji who's stats may lie.
Why would Neji's stats lie? Neji's stats put him around where Kankuro and Sai are. So why do you think Neji is capable of fighting Akatsuki, but not Kankuro? That doesn't make sense. What's so special about Neji now? What did he do during his team's fight against Kisame? Neji isn't special anymore. Part 1 is over.

All the rookies, Sand Siblings, and Team Gai are likely to show amazing things during the war. They are probably powered up. We have to readjust our expectations of the rookies now.


Who of the rookies have even shown the ability to take out Akatsuki members? Sasuke and Naruto. They're the only ones at Akatsuki's level, again perhaps with the exception of Neji. And please, Shikamaru only took out Hidan because he had fought him before and planned out every single detail of the fight. In a fair fight he would have been obliterated without team mates to save him and days of planning. Sakura although putting up a great display against Sasori was basically just Chiyo's backup.
You answered your own question. Kishi already showed you who is capable of defeating Akatsuki. Part of Shikamaru's ability is his planning and the fact he can out-think opponents. He actually succeeded in saving Asuma and defeating Hidan the first time. It was Kakuzu who saved Hidan, otherwise his head would be sitting on Tsunade's desk as a paperweight.

Hidan had plenty of opportunities to counter what Shikamaru was doing in the second fight. If he couldn't adjust, then that was his fault. He was out-skilled. Of course it was a fair fight. Yeah, Shikamaru uses preptime. So does Batman.

[Eprst]

The question is - how Kishi will decide to handle the war quickly or take time.
When there was a battle between 2 characters before it was taking at least 2 chapters. Now it should take less, otherwise people wil get tired waiting till this guys dies then this guys dies and so on. Plus don't forget that now it is team vs team.
If Kishi will make it like endless batlles we will be so bored, it wil be Katon jutsu this week, Dotton jutsu next week and so on :)

[da_ni]

Why would Neji's stats lie? Neji's stats put him around where Kankuro and Sai are. So why do you think Neji is capable of fighting Akatsuki, but not Kankuro? That doesn't make sense. What's so special about Neji now? What did he do during his team's fight against Kisame? Neji isn't special anymore. Part 1 is over.

All the rookies, Sand Siblings, and Team Gai are likely to show amazing things during the war. They are probably powered up. We have to readjust our expectations of the rookies now.
It's not that Neji's stats lie, but compared to Sai's, Sais overal is greater (28) than Neji's (27), but Sai's is more balanced than Neji's... I bet Neji would beat Sai fair and square, it's just that Neji doesn't have Genjutsu on his system, neither phisical force is necessary for him, since he attacks the interior organs... One thing about the stats, we can't take much from them since they show what the character "showed" during that period. Neither of the rookies had time to show anything, apart from Sakura (against Sasori), Shikamaru, Choji, and Ino (against Hidan and Kakuzu), the rest can very well suffer a large bust on their stats, depending on their performances in this war.
And i bet that guys like Neji, Sakura, Lee, Shikamaru, above the others will shine in the upcoming war..

[KiSwordsman]

I understand what you're trying to say but even if someone is able to make his own puppet, his power will be define by the way he is able to use the puppets to their full potentials.

That's why I think that Kankuro is now at Sasori level. I do believe that he have 200% knowledge of the weakness and strength of his puppets and that he was able adjust his strategy or anything. Speaking of Kankuro and Sasori, even if Sasori was the one who design Kankuro puppets, if Kankuro did his study well, then he must know, just as much as Sasori, all the bad parts of his puppet and develop some way to counter those weaknesses. Kankuro isn't someone who like losing to someone and he seems to be the kind of guy who's going to do anything to get stronger if he lose against an opponent.

I'm 100% sure that Kankuro has develop new moves with his puppet that Sasori never thought of. As I said, it's one thing creating puppet, it's another thing mastering your puppets. And with all the time Kankuro as spent with his puppet, I bet he became godly with them.

you're right, it is about mastery over ones tools and not just about who created them. However, just because one has mastered something made by someone else, that doesn't put them on the same level as the person who made it. But ill give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he does no the ends and outs of Sasori's puppet body. That won't matter If Sasori is still able to Exploit weakness in it. Which ultimately could be avoided if Kankuro would make his own shit. I guess that we'll have to wait and see what happens.

[sarutobi_sensei]

:O So it was true :D Nice :D

If Kabuto is killed, it's good by for them ninjas. Someone needs to Genjutsu Kabuto ASAP! Go Naurto Sage Mode Ultimate Frog Genjutsu him!

Or someone!

Go Itachi!

Gah, I wanna know more about the chapter :|

[rell250]

Regarding the discussion around Kankurou's power level, he can't possibly be at Sasori's level. Sasori was honestly one of the strongest Akatsuki, and held one of the most impressive stats in the whole databook. Just because he now uses a puppet of Sasori doesn't mean he can match him in overall battle experience. Kankurou is such a second rate puppeteer compared to Sasori and Chiyo that it aint even funny. Besides how would he kill Sasori? Stab him with a poisonous blade? It'll take a little more than that to kill Sasori in his Edo Tenseid form.



He really can't without pulling a huge retcon. He released the 4th databook with their combat stats prior to Naruto's Sage Mode boost, and none of the rookies were highly impressive except for Sasuke, who's stats were quite high. Naruto has obviously gone through a massive boost, but I doubt any of the rookies have gone through an even remotely equal boost. The Konoha rookies can't possibly be that powerful with the exception of Neji who's stats may lie.

Who of the rookies have even shown the ability to take out Akatsuki members? Sasuke and Naruto. They're the only ones at Akatsuki's level, again perhaps with the exception of Neji. And please, Shikamaru only took out Hidan because he had fought him before and planned out every single detail of the fight. In a fair fight he would have been obliterated without team mates to save him and days of planning. Sakura although putting up a great display against Sasori was basically just Chiyo's backup.

LOL at your analysis of characters, calling them Akatsuki level. This is "Naruto" kid. There aren't really levels, only shinobi each possessing their unique skills and traits that fits them for certain opponents, situations, and missions. You're sort of lowering what Shikamaru's done because he used his brains? He took an advantage and WON. He defeated Hidan fair and square and Shikamaru's already proved his worth in the manga compared to other rookies. The rookies are ROOKIES. Which means this is where they make themselves in this war. You honestly dont think they have potential? That's just absurd. Naruto and Sasuke obviously being in their own league but come on the other rookies will sooner or later prove their worth, and Kishi brought us the final war to showcase just that. Give credit where its due.

[choperman]

chapter sucks. leave the fillers for the anime. I want to see naruto's development at least.
not at all I'm tired of seeing all the support characters we loved in part 1 being completely ignored in part 2 (except shikamaru), it's one of the biggest complaints against his series and you want him to do the opposite just focus on Naruto and sasuke like he's been doing for hundreds of chapters, nah man give the support characters some good time to grow and develop, I'm sick of seeing just naruto and sasuke... time for Lee to kick ass

[Askia32]

We get another Kankuro vs Sasori match. Sooo boring... Wonder if we will finally get to see Sai go all out and see just how good he is.

Madara and/or Sasuke should Ameterasu the Edo Tensei summons, that would really make them a pain to fight against.
[hr]

LOL at your analysis of characters, calling them Akatsuki level. This is "Naruto" kid. There aren't really levels, only shinobi each possessing their unique skills and traits that fits them for certain opponents, situatuations, and missions. You're sort of lowering what Shikamaru's done because he used his brains? He took an advantage and WON. He defeated Hidan fair and square and Shikamaru's already proved his worth in the manga compared to other rookies. The rookies are ROOKIES. Which means this is where they make themselves in this war. You honestly dont think they have potential? That's just absurd. Naruto and Sasuke obviously being in their own league but come on the other rookies will sooner or later prove their worth, and Kishi brought us the final war to showcase just that. Give credit where its due.

He was saying that Shikamaru had days to plan and still if it wasn't for Kakashi, team 10 would all be dead.

Also, he didn't say they had no potential, he basically said if they go from average to uber, able to solo an akatsuki, it would be a plot hole.

[Kabuto]

I really am only interested in seeing the dead kage and Hanzo fight. Were about to see the craziest battles period. Hopefully lets Hanzo and his dead salamander take on the entire special ops core. That would be perfect. Hanzo vs Special Ops Corps.

[godaijutsu-no-hito]

Judging from what we have been told about ET, it is probably better if they genjutsu Kabuto and let the ET bodies have complete control on themselves. That would be effectively resurrection of all those characters...just like what Pain did! Only thing to think about is whether the bodies will continue to be invulnerable. I wonder if Nawaki and Dan would have been invulnerable after their resurrection by Oro had the deal between Oro and Tsunade gone through.

On another note, if Kabuto is vulnerable to genjutsu, he would be obliterated by both Madara and Sasuke. His best bet is to hide himself and let his zombies defeat his enemies. Perhaps we will find if there is a range within which he needs to be control the ET bodies. Lets wait and watch.

[Eprst]

Khm... It is interesting then why wouldnt Madara genjutsu Kabuto in order to get control of the zombies?
Even that super secret zombie that he was afraid of.

[Rahan]

So most of what we will see of the war will be zombies that won't be defeated figthing plot-protected ninjas who won't even go for the kill
What a joke this is.

Summary of Shikamaru vs Asuma

Zombie Asuma : _ Die ! Die ! Die
Shikamaru : _ Shadow Bind. Hey, Chouji, we got nothing to do until filler ends and Naruto defeats Kabuto and unbinds Asuma Wanna play Shogi ?


Seriously, Kishi needs ways for the secondary characters to be decisive. If all what they do is stalling the zombies until Naruto saves the day and make the zombies disappear, it will be get boring FAST. And very bad. Shika must give rest to Asuma's soul, same with Sai and Shin, Shizune / Tsunade and Dan and many others. Naruto must not do that.

But then this is Kishi. He showed in the Pain invasion arc how he liked his secondary characters : completely irrelevant.

[Sidesw1pe]

man, ive been watching your posts on this Edo Tensei stuff for weeks. seems to really bother you. taking other peoples posts and refuting point by point. or maybe youre just enthusiastic. funny.

anyways you talk about the dirt and ash not being able to make swords and weapons. ash is mostly carbon. carbon can be very hard. they use it to harden metal. dirt is made of small rocks and silicon and metal and pieces of organic matter. i see no reason that dirt and ash cant make a sword, or a puppet, or any multitude of objects. even perfect replicas. maybe the 'soul' carrys knowledge of their structure since the subject was with the object so long, "it became part of his being", or something.

even beyond that. youre critiquing what a soul can and cant have. a soul is just a construct too. youve never seen a soul, you cant say what a soul has/can do. some poeple dont believe in souls, theyre just faith. This is a manga, doenst have to be scientifically accurate. But as far as im seeing-- making these physical objects is plausible if you accept bringing back a dead mans soul with "chakra".

if you dont like the whats going on, thats a valid opinion. if you think it makes for bad writing, thats also your opinion. I'm rather enjoying all this. but then, I like zombies, and i think kabuto will encounter his own limitations in trying to control them. For now, im excited to see whats next.

As you said, it's manga & doesn't have to be scientifically accurate, so no need for people to get their panties in a twist trying to apply real-world logic to some fantasy scenario (I'm directing that comment to the person you quoted). It is what it is.

[THM Nindo]

:O So it was true :D Nice :D

If Kabuto is killed, it's good by for them ninjas. Someone needs to Genjutsu Kabuto ASAP! Go Naurto Sage Mode Ultimate Frog Genjutsu him!

Or someone!

Go Itachi!

Gah, I wanna know more about the chapter :|

Maybe the only one that can use a genjutsu powerful enough is... Sasuke!!

Who knows... that might be his way of redeeming himself...
But, to get him to use it, Naruto will have to kick his ass first!! :tem

[Rahan]

:O So it was true :D Nice :D

If Kabuto is killed, it's good by for them ninjas. Someone needs to Genjutsu Kabuto ASAP! Go Naurto Sage Mode Ultimate Frog Genjutsu him!

Or someone!

Go Itachi!

Gah, I wanna know more about the chapter :|

If Kabuto is killed, Itachi and Nagato can easily soul rip the other zombies and it's bad for Madara.

[MonsterEnvy]

If Kabuto is killed, Itachi and Nagato can easily soul rip the other zombies and it's bad for Madara.

no its not how it works the zombies will still contiue what kabuto wants them to do the genjutsu is to make Kabuto get rid of them by tricking him to turn the tech off

itachi can't soul rip

not that i think it would work Kabuto is good at genjutsu and i doubt he would fall for the same thing Oro did

and here is what you can do for shikamaru

Asuma Die die die
Shikamaru shadow bind, choji smash that cliff and put him under a rock he won't be able to get it off him. ok fight done

(it would never be that easy but its a way to beat an edo tensei zombie

[Jessie]

Wasn't Sakura said to have a hidden talent for genjutsu? Making her a heroine would be too much for Kishi. Yeah probably Sasuke for his HeelFace turn.

[Rahan]

no its not how it works the zombies will still contiue what kabuto wants them to do the genjutsu is to make Kabuto get rid of them

Kabuto said he would control himself the difficult zombies. If he is dead, he won't control them from the grave and leave them at their own devices.
Deidara would be free and keep blowing shit up. Nagato and Itachi would team up with Naruto.


itachi can't soul rip


He can actually. He rips your soul and put it in his gourd and entertains it with an eternal genjutsu.

[coqui018]

The only thing i am really interested in seeing is Deidara reaction to Sasori fighting his real body, ohh the hilarity that will ensue especially if Sasori loses lol. i also hope that some of Edo Tensei summons break free like Deidara when he learns that Sasuke is not dead and try's to go after him just to get destroyed as a way to show off Sasuke's new eyes.

[Rahan]

The only thing i am really interested in seeing is Deidara reaction to Sasori fighting his real body, ohh the hilarity that will ensue especially if Sasori loses lol. i also hope that some of Edo Tensei summons break free like Deidara when he learns that Sasuke is not dead and try's to go after him just to get destroyed as a way to show off Sasuke's new eyes.

Deidara has been told twice already Sasuke was alive. Heck, the second time, it was even said Sasuke was in the very same hideout he was. (when Madara said black Zetsu stayed behind to guard Sasuke, Deidara was in the room)

[BaddAzzKenpachi74]

I just hope Sasori doesn't die first again! And what would be more dissapointing than Kankurou killing him? I mean seriously, just a few months ago Kankurou got stomped like a 5 year old by Sasori. Besides I have a hard time imagining Kankurou being able to kill him in the first place, how would he kill Sasori? Stab him in the "heart" with a poisonous blade? Like that would damage an Edo Tenseid Sasori. Sasori seeing Kankurou use his old "body" as a puppet will be priceless though, guess Sasori got what he always wanted, to be everlasting.

lol and don't forget that Kankurou apparently has Sasori's puppet under his command also:D
it will be pretty interesting to see Sasori fight his own identical puppet IMO.

[lordHokage]

When Orochimaru summoned the First and Second Hokages to destroyed Konoha, they knew nothing about the future only the past but their skills and abilities were still the same. The same thing applies to Kabuto's dead souls and despite what you guys think, Kankurou has a big advantage over Sasori. :p

[Asclepius]

Wow, it seems that this chapter has no Naruto and no Sasuke.
When was the last time it happened? During Jiraya X Pain Arc?
I'm kinda thirsty for blood, i wanna see this ambush team getting eaten by Zetsu (one or more).
^_^

[SenninSage]

Hehe, I knew restricting an Edo Tensei ninja's movements would do the trick against them! :D

If they couldn't escape from a certain jutsu when they were alive, perhaps because they don't have an appropriate enough technique, or they lack the power, then the same exact thing should be true of their Edo Tensei reincarnation! :D

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2174198&postcount=693


-- They may be a dead soul brought back to life, but that doesn't at all mean that, if there was a sort of trap jutsu they couldn't escape from in real life because they lack the necessary ability or power, that they can suddenly escape that trap jutsu now just because they were brought back from the dead. For example, remember Jiraiya's Frog Stomach technique? Itachi needed Amaterasu to escape that jutsu.

Not every Edo Tensei ninja may have a technique powerful enough to escape that jutsu. Can Zabuza even get out? Highly doubtful. Maybe Haku can freeze it solid till it all falls apart with his ice element, or maybe he has a powerful enough wind element jutsu, but I don't know.

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2174208&postcount=695


Edo Tensei ninja may be able to regenerate from practically any injury, but aside from that, all their abilities as Edo Tensei ninja are the exact same as when they were really alive.

Which means, if an Edo Tensei ninja did not have an answer for something like this when they were alive, then they won't have an answer when they're practically the undead.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Toad_Mouth_Bind. We don't expect this to stop the more special shinobi who have a way of escaping this, but based on what I've seen, there are a number of shinobi who would be sitting sucks to this jutsu.

What would happen to an Edo Tensei ninja trapped inside of a water prison with no technique capable of freeing themselves? They are out of the fight, more or less, even if they can't be killed. If you can't kill some of them, trap them in a jutsu they aren't able to free themselves from. They regenerate, but I've seen no proof that they are far stronger than they were in life, or that they can walk through walls or use space-time jutsu if they didn't have them before.

[3c]

LOL at your analysis of characters, calling them Akatsuki level. This is "Naruto" kid. There aren't really levels, only shinobi each possessing their unique skills and traits that fits them for certain opponents, situations, and missions. You're sort of lowering what Shikamaru's done because he used his brains? He took an advantage and WON. He defeated Hidan fair and square and Shikamaru's already proved his worth in the manga compared to other rookies. The rookies are ROOKIES. Which means this is where they make themselves in this war. You honestly dont think they have potential? That's just absurd. Naruto and Sasuke obviously being in their own league but come on the other rookies will sooner or later prove their worth, and Kishi brought us the final war to showcase just that. Give credit where its due.

Actually it's very common to sort ninja in terms of different levels like Jounin and Kage level (All Akatsuki have been roughly Kage level). And I'm well aware of the flaws of the term "Kage level", but that doesn't belong here.

I'm not lowering Shikamaru's feat, I'm simply stating what I believe to be the truth of their current standings.

Of course I believe the rookies hold potential and will shine in this war! Come on I never said otherwise. I just said that they're not the biggest players in this war, but match ups, circumstances and team work may help them on their journey. I've been waiting for them to become central to the plot again, so obviously I'm hyped for their respective fights.


Wonder if we will finally get to see Sai go all out and see just how good he is.

Yeah that's one positive thing about that match up. I've been waiting a long time for Sai to shine, quite frankly I thought he'd tie up Sakura after he busted her "betrayal", but instead he got owned. I'd really like to see why Danzou said that Sai was (at that time excluding Sasuke?) the strongest of his generation. I'm also highly interested in seeing what kind of emotional display he'll show, this might actually be Sai's real breakthrough!

[gold349]

When Orochimaru summoned the First and Second Hokages to destroyed Konoha, they knew nothing about the future only the past but their skills and abilities were still the same. The same thing applies to Kabuto's dead souls and despite what you guys think, Kankurou has a big advantage over Sasori. :p

I don't think that is the problem...kankurou could be beyond sasori level but that won't matter as its an edo tensai sasori he is fighting, till a way apart shiki fuujin is found to deal with edo tensai kankouro can score all the bulls eyes he wants in Sasori chest, sasori will just regenerate.

[Rahan]

Nevermind the "everyone will wait for Naruto to pop up and deal with Kabuto"

I forgot about Sakura being the genjutsu type. A medic like her who need to be defeated via genjutsu which is what should be her specialty ? Kabuto is obviously her prey.

Naruto probably won't get involved too much with this war.

Here is how I see this arc.

zombies are soul ripped for some, bound for others.
Naruto start interfering in the war. Madara fetches Sasuke to fight him.
Naruto defeats Sasuke.
Team Kakashi reach them. Sakura heal them.
Kakashi, Gai and Lee fight the zombies bodyguarding Kabuto. Sasuke takes on Itachi. Naruto takes on the 6th coffin.
Sakura defeats Kabuto.

Madara runs away after losing the battle.
End of the arc.

[getsome]

chapter is out. mangastream

[lordHokage]

I don't think that is the problem...kankurou could be beyond sasori level but that won't matter as its an edo tensai sasori he is fighting, till a way apart shiki fuujin is found to deal with edo tensai kankouro can score all the bulls eyes he wants in Sasori chest, sasori will just regenerate.

No, no, no to Shiki Fuujin but yes, yes, yes to an anti regenerating jutsu something like Fuuton Rasen Shuriken. :D

[matsemann08]

The first panel with Sai's face (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/96649938/17) wow!
I love how a guy who didn't have any emotions a few months back (?) now showed fear, shock, anger and sadness (maybe) in the same panel.
I feel sorry for Sai, his expression was just drawn very good :p

[street_san]

wooow, this chapter was amazing. I really liked it.

Now I understand why they put Kankuro as team leader. I mean he understand the situation pretty well and, despite his non-experience, he knows how to act and think in time of war. I can assume this is the same thing for Gaara :P

We had some nice display of strength. This battle might be really intense and interesting. Omoi little developpement was nice to, but I think that Sai will stop him and still fight his brother.

One thing that's bugging me is the fact that Deidara seems to loyal to Kabuto. Strange xD. Oh well, great chapter :)

P.S: did you realise that the war have REALLY started...I mean no more teasing on Kishi part hahahaha

[SenninSage]

Translation error in the chapter, it would seem. Kankurou said that the dead ninja's souls are binded to corpses. That isn't right. They are binded to still living sacrifices.

[Googlez_kun]

Yes!!This is what i wanted!Loved this chapter!This war feels great and the characters get screen-time!Give me more Kishi:wtf

[matsemann08]

A lot of spelling mistakes.
"thisvictory" and "theblackest"
I guess the space button at Mangastream was acting up :p

And the last line "I won't let you force friends and family hurt one another"
It may be correct as it is, but in my head it should have been "force friends and family to hurt one another"
I guess it could be written the way it was written, but still.

[THM Nindo]

Awesome chapter!!!

And the panel with Anko is just incredible...
I... really hope she's still alive...

I really liked her... probably my favorite female character...


Most likely she's still alive...
Kishi wouldn't kill her off-screen... right? Right? :s

[KiSwordsman]

When Orochimaru summoned the First and Second Hokages to destroyed Konoha, they knew nothing about the future only the past but their skills and abilities were still the same. The same thing applies to Kabuto's dead souls and despite what you guys think, Kankurou has a big advantage over Sasori. :p

You Can't really make that comparison dude. the difference between Orochimaru's situation and Kabuto's is that, for the time being, kabuto's summons have wills of there own. thusly, Sasori and deidara have the privilege of rational thought. Which means that it won't just be Kill Kill Kill. They can actually come up with strategies to defeat there opponents. free will was something Hashirama, and Tobirama lacked, they just did what Orochimaru commanded right up until they got absorbed by the death god.

[Vladnik]

Omoi rocks, Omoi rocks, Omoi fuckin rocks!!! great chapter want to see his fighting style with sword so much yeaaaah xP

[sarutobi_sensei]

Oh boy, so they know already.

Is Anko dead? She looks dead to me.

Idiot, he put the whole operation in danger :|

And we get yet another byakugan user!

And Tokuma got taken out.

And Sai just hit his brother. NICE :D

And we can't lose because we are immortal. Damn epic.

They do keep their consciousness but can't do what they want. Oh how I want for one of them to take away the control over their bodies.

[Paradoxicon]

Good enough chapter. Finally, we're back to real ninja fights, with recon and infiltration squads, dirty tricks, small but effective jutsus and all that.
I don'treally care about Sai and his brother, omoi was way more interesting. He seems to be the most powerful of the bunch, but what is anyone of the shinobi squad gonna do against Deidara and Sasori, Edo Tensei'd or not...


Poor Anko :(

[Mircus]

I thought for a second Anko's head was snapped in reverse.. until I saw her small boobs where the chest is suppose to be.. >.<

[BaddAzzKenpachi74]

so Sai is the first to have a wtf moment when fighting someone close to him that has died.
i can hardly wait for the matchups such as
Tsunada vs Dan
and
Shikimaru vs Asuma

overall this chapter was pretty awesome and is a nice start for the war.
Kankuro really showed that he can be a good commander of his squad in this chapter.

[3c]

This chapter was really excellent! Kishi did a spectacular job at showing what the relevant characters went through emotionally and at the same time illustrate the nature of war and how it affects different types of persons. The pacing was perfect too, and the situation is really intense! If this is the standard chapter for the war, then this war will be one awesome war!

[Jammin]

It's great to see this arc jumping right out into full swing.

I'm very pleased to see that the battles are being carried out as group vs group battles, instead of several dozen 1 on 1 fights(the mistake Kubo made). That bodes well for this arc.

The unnamed Aburame was no big deal, unnamed characters dropping like flies is to be expected, but the fact that Anko got killed THAT quickly is. If her death is something Kishimoto does in the blink of eye he might actually go hardcore with this war, something that would make me very happy.

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The next thing i'm going to look for is the death of a younger character. If that happens any concern about Kishimoto pulling punches on the friendly causalities of this little war will be gone.

[3c]

I almost forgot, the art in this chapter was top notch. What a relief after last week's many half finished pages. I particularly liked the flight scenes, Sai's "landing" and most beastly of them all; Kabuto's victory scene. Poor Anko, luck was really not on her side, being matched up against Orochimaru 2.0 when being an Orochimaru 0.5 herself. I wonder if she's dead or alive really..

[Invader]

Translation error in the chapter, it would seem. Kankurou said that the dead ninja's souls are binded to corpses.

Not necessarily. It has always been a potentially mistaken assumption that the bodies inside the dirt are still alive. We have never been given any confirmation that ET zombie bodies are still alive after the sacrifice is performed. The word 'sacrifice' sort of does imply that the person is killed in the process of implementing the jutsu. You may need a living person to START the jutsu, but it was never a given that the living person survived the process.

[SenninSage]

Amazing, haha. This was an awesome chapter. This is what it's all about. This chapter was firing on so many cylinders, I thought.

We are going to get to see Sai in action for real, and we're also about to see just how powerful Omoi truly is. It's already obvious that he's pretty damn skilled.

He just might even be the strongest ninja in the group. I'm also pretty certain Sai is a monster as well.

[KiSwordsman]

My earlier point was proven about the Zombies being able to Come up with strategies to beat the alliance. But I can see now that Kankuro is gonna be more important then I thought in the over all scheme of the war.

[Paradoxicon]

No way she's dead, don't worry. For once, Kishi wouldn't kill her off screen. Plus, why would Kabuto carry her around like this? He's taking her back for further interrogation, or maybe he wants to study her Heaven seal. He needs that one if he wants to surpass Orochimaru in every way.


I'm kinda worried that this fight will turn out quite cheesy though. sasori doesn't have any puppets, so it might come down to Kankuro and him microing it out with Human puppets, where there's a realistic chance of Kankuro winning. Then Sai's art against Deidara's art... There shouldn't be anyway Deidara can lose this one, figuring the scales, large or tiny, his bombs can be. But still... in this situation, even a draw would seem weird. I'm all for bodies dropping, maybe getting some info out, as usual, and then sai and Kankuro escaping. Omoi kinda had the preshadowing moment already, of him getting captured, and kankuro telling him that dying for the mission is worthy.

[lordHokage]

Next week, the winner of Sasori's puppets vs. Kankurou's puppets will set tone for the entire war. The Uzumaki's are needed, where are they? :(

[SenninSage]

Not necessarily. It has always been a potentially mistaken assumption that the bodies inside the dirt are still alive. We have never been given any confirmation that ET zombie bodies are still alive after the sacrifice is performed. The word 'sacrifice' sort of does imply that the person is killed in the process of implementing the jutsu. You may need a living person to START the jutsu, but it was never a given that the living person survived the process.

The most accurate previous translations, even the official shonen jump releases plus the databook, have already confirmed that the the sacrifice for Edo Tensei is actually alive, and not a corpse like Kankurou just said in this chapter.

Sacrifice doesn't have to automatically imply death has already happened, it can just as easily refer to someone used for a purpose almost ensured to place their own lives in danger, whether they're dead yet or not. For example, the Aburama ninja, before he died in this chapter, was already officially a sacrifice. The two shinobi being used as puppets by Sasori right now, even while still being alive, are without a doubt living sacrifices right now. Should they be defeated by being killed, it doesn't affect Sasori too much, as they are only his sacrifices.

The reason why their being corpses can't be accurate, is because the souls are kept in the world of the living because living sacrifices are used as hosts for the souls of the dead. You don't host a bijuu in a dead host, just as you don't host the soul of a dead ninja in a dead body. Using the body of the living to trap the soul of the dead in the realm of the living is a basic fact of Edo Tensei. That's how I know what Kankurou said this chapter about their being corpses is inaccurate.

[THM Nindo]

Seriously... I don't see how they can win against Deidera and Sasori... let alone with two others guys...

But, in the same time... can we really have all of them dying?!

Having Kankuro, Omoi and Sai dying seems impossible to me...
But, having Deidera and Sasori dealt with right away looks impossible to me too...

I'm thinking we will see Deidera and Sasori win, but the other will manage to flee somehow... or something like that...

[SenninSage]

Well, we don't know Omoi's full power just yet. And we've always known Sai to be immensely strong, remember what Danzou said about him? We also know Kankurou had to have become better, but even if he didn't, I think we can be assured that Omoi and Sai are going to represent here in this fight.

I also greatly doubt that Kankurou won't prove immensely strong. Things probably won't end as easily as they did for Sasori the first time around when he fought Kankurou.

I have always held the belief that Omoi is killer bee's most gifted student, and so far he isn't disappointing at all.

[akatsuki27]

Seriously... I don't see how they can win against Deidera and Sasori... let alone with two others guys...

But, in the same time... can we really have all of them dying?!

Having Kankuro, Omoi and Sai dying seems impossible to me...
But, having Deidera and Sasori dealt with right away looks impossible to me too...

I'm thinking we will see Deidera and Sasori win, but the other will manage to flee somehow... or something like that...

I think that kankuro saying that you can stop the ET zombies by immobilizing their bodies is foreshadowing that he will make puppets out of them. that's just my opinion

retreat is not an option for these guys. remember what kankuro answers to omoi about if he was worried or not. their mission is really important.

but how they go about beating deidara and sasori, i dont know.

[rell250]

Amazing, haha. This was an awesome chapter. This is what it's all about. This chapter was firing on so many cylinders, I thought.

We are going to get to see Sai in action for real, and we're also about to see just how powerful Omoi truly is. It's already obvious that he's pretty damn skilled.

He just might even be the strongest ninja in the group. I'm also pretty certain Sai is a monster as well.

This chapter was one thing..............EPIC. The way Kishi is using just these certain characters is great. So many more combinations to come. And the panels are great, especially when Kabuto was holding Anko.:o Can i say perfect chapter. I think we all shouldunite and love the manga again together and enjoy the finale.

[akatsuki27]

and let's not forget...kankurou has a sasori puppet. it'll be interesting to see how he fight against himself

[3c]

Seriously... I don't see how they can win against Deidera and Sasori... let alone with two others guys...

But, in the same time... can we really have all of them dying?!

Having Kankuro, Omoi and Sai dying seems impossible to me...
But, having Deidera and Sasori dealt with right away looks impossible to me too...

I'm thinking we will see Deidera and Sasori win, but the other will manage to flee somehow... or something like that...

The scenario you suggest is very likely, as I honestly can't see Sasori and Deidara dying here, and it would be awful to let the Alliance get the "first win", especially when Kankurou has spelled out that this will have a huge impact on how the war will turn out. It sounds like they'll be on the "how poorly it's executed" side. As I see it now, Team Kankurou will have to pull a tactical retreat somehow. Maybe Kankurou will command Omoi and Sai (the only survivors) to escape on Sai's birds and stays back to hold off Sasori and Deidara to give them a head start.

[Googlez_kun]

To be perfectly honest,i would not really mind Kankurou dying.It's not that i hate him,but someone needs to die and it shouldn't be Sai nor Omoi,as they are way too awesome to die.

What i loved the most about this chapter was that those "small" jutsu were the most effective.The bugs that confused the sensors,Kankurou's and Sasori's chakra strings and simple taijutsu.No need for hax.This is how shinobi should work.Love it.Kishi better keep up with that.^^

[Jammin]

Seriously... I don't see how they can win against Deidera and Sasori... let alone with two others guys...

But, in the same time... can we really have all of them dying?!

Having Kankuro, Omoi and Sai dying seems impossible to me...
But, having Deidera and Sasori dealt with right away looks impossible to me too...

I'm thinking we will see Deidera and Sasori win, but the other will manage to flee somehow... or something like that...Me neither. I have to think they will pull through somehow but i don't see how.

I'm not sure my brain can actually comprehend the idea of them getting wiped out, but things look very very grim. I don't know what Omoi and Sai can do at full bore but it's hard to imagine them being able to compensate for how utterly outclassed they are.

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To be perfectly honest,i would not really mind Kankurou dying.It's not that i hate him,but someone needs to die and it shouldn't be Sai nor Omoi,as they are way too awesome to die. I actually do hate him, but it's still hard for me to imagine him dying right away like this.

Maybe he'll sacrifice himself to let his squad escape somehow. Not sure why, but that's a scenario that's easier for me to imagine happening. Even saying that though, if it actually happens, i would be shocked. The basic rookies from the chuunin exam have been unkillable for a long time and, even if i knew it was probably coming, it would completely stun me.

[DEATHBOTT]

ankos panel was baddass. if someone sculptured that i think it would sell pretty well lol. kishi is a true artist. wierd how muta aburame is a guy. i actually really like how sasori is useing them as puppets its pretty brutal. i wonder if he can use their jutsu. he could maniplulate the 3rd kazekages chakra idk about liveing people though.
[hr]
a cool hunting seen with the survivors being hunted down by the akatsuki would be pretty cool. and then the squad with kiba in it shows up, so he can return the favour to kankuro from part 1.

[da_ni]

Nice chapter... with some engagement on both parties.. omoi seems to use a similar style to the one used by Hayate (Konoha Ryu: Mikazuki no Mai). The stage is set for Kankurou, Sai and Omoi to shine... My guess is that everyone else is going to die, apart those 3, making a loss for the joint forces, but that isn't quite a clear win for Akatsuki either. And so beggins Sasoris new army of puppets (i honestly can't see him beeing defeated in here, again so early, he needs a bigger adversary to fight one on one, and only then die). But how is Sasori controling them? they seem to have conciousness, so why can't they free themselves from sasoris comands? i would assume he would use some kind of genjustu first and only after control them, but that aburame guy knew what he was doing, he alerted to the other konoha guy to flee..
On the other hand, for the strongest hyuuga to be defeated offscrean, and now beeing used as a puppet... DISAPOINTING.. Neji should appear right here and now a kick his ass so hard that his discendent would still feel it.

[3c]

To be perfectly honest,i would not really mind Kankurou dying.It's not that i hate him,but someone needs to die and it shouldn't be Sai nor Omoi,as they are way too awesome to die.

Yeah I agree, it would be sad but when it comes down to it I WANT named characters to die. Kankuro proved to be an awesome leader in this chapter, and he's probably among the top 3 strongest of Suna, so it would be a heavy hit if he died. Which would be both good and bad for different reasons. Besides like you said, not all of Team Kankuro can die, so Sai and Omoi have to escape (like you said they're awesome). And in my opinion letting the Alliance get the "first win" would be a huge mistake, Akatsuki needs to push through here and show their power.

[AlB]

ankos panel was baddass. if someone sculptured that i think it would sell pretty well lol. kishi is a true artist. wierd how muta aburame is a guy. i actually really like how sasori is useing them as puppets its pretty brutal. i wonder if he can use their jutsu. he could maniplulate the 3rd kazekages chakra idk about liveing people though.

:D:D loved that :D

with this chapter Kishi stated clearly that this is going to be an all-out, brutal and merciless war, not some fluffy fairy tale crap.

can't wait to see Sasori's expression when he sees Kankuro's brand new puppet :D

[KiSwordsman]

The scenario you suggest is very likely, as I honestly can't see Sasori and Deidara dying here, and it would be awful to let the Alliance get the "first win", especially when Kankurou has spelled out that this will have a huge impact on how the war will turn out. It sounds like they'll be on the "how poorly it's executed" side. As I see it now, Team Kankurou will have to pull a tactical retreat somehow. Maybe Kankurou will command Omoi and Sai (the only survivors) to escape on Sai's birds and stays back to hold off Sasori and Deidara to give them a head start.

I can actually see something like that happening. I mean Kankuro did seem like a leader in this chapter, and he did inspire Omoi to take charge. It would actually matter if he died now.

[SenninSage]

Whoever wins this first battle, all of us readers are the real winners.

What did I tell you guys!? Kishi is so good at keeping his manga grounded, even when you expect that the power levels will grow way out of whack the further in we go.

Kakashi, and especially someone like Itachi, among others, will shine in the format that appears to be developing here so far. Also, I notice that many people are focusing more on Deidara and Sasori, and are forgetting about that Mist Ninja, who just might have a pretty impressive kekkei genkai.

[dr.mohd.arbash]

Speechless again!!!

What just happened was really intense!!! Anko :crying Aburame :( I really felt sorry for them. Tokuma, Other guy.

Guys who kicked ass this chapter are : Kabuchimaro, ET Sasori, ET Deidara, and ET Shin from the bad guys. Omoi, kankuru, Sai, & Ittan" iwa guy" from Shinobi army.




Good enough chapter. Finally, we're back to real ninja fights, with recon and infiltration squads, dirty tricks, small but effective jutsus and all that.
I don'treally care about Sai and his brother, omoi was way more interesting. He seems to be the most powerful of the bunch, but what is anyone of the shinobi squad gonna do against Deidara and Sasori, Edo Tensei'd or not...


Poor Anko :(

I am totally interested in Sai & Shin !! I was absolutely waiting for this moment. :blink

I agree Omoi looks so tough!! Did he just use " Gecko Hayate (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Dance_of_the_Crescent_Moon)" jutsu ?


"No time to wipe for a fallen comrade" was the best quote of the week!! damn !!


Next chapter pleaaase :darn

[SenninSage]

Nice chapter... with some engagement on both parties.. omoi seems to use a similar style to the one used by Hayate (Konoha Ryu: Mikazuki no Mai). The stage is set for Kankurou, Sai and Omoi to shine... My guess is that everyone else is going to die, apart those 3, making a loss for the joint forces, but that isn't quite a clear win for Akatsuki either. And so beggins Sasoris new army of puppets (i honestly can't see him beeing defeated in here, again so early, he needs a bigger adversary to fight one on one, and only then die). But how is Sasori controling them? they seem to have conciousness, so why can't they free themselves from sasoris comands? i would assume he would use some kind of genjustu first and only after control them, but that aburame guy knew what he was doing, he alerted to the other konoha guy to flee..
On the other hand, for the strongest hyuuga to be defeated offscrean, and now beeing used as a puppet... DISAPOINTING.. Neji should appear right here and now a kick his ass so hard that his discendent would still feel it.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold your horses! Tokuma only possessed the strongest Byakugan in the hyuga, in terms of just how far a distance he can see, he was not the strongest Hyuga. The title of strongest Hyuga belongs to either Neji or his Uncle.

But props for saying the obvious, Neji will kick someone's ass, it's just a matter of who :D

[DEATHBOTT]

lol i just realised the irony sasori is going to feel when kankuro busts out his sasori.

[g1534]

To be perfectly honest,i would not really mind Kankurou dying.It's not that i hate him,but someone needs to die and it shouldn't be Sai nor Omoi,as they are way too awesome to die.

What i loved the most about this chapter was that those "small" jutsu were the most effective.The bugs that confused the sensors,Kankurou's and Sasori's chakra strings and simple taijutsu.No need for hax.This is how shinobi should work.Love it.Kishi better keep up with that.^^

Lets not forget that since Kankouro owns sasori as a puppet, he knows all the secrets of his body... and most likely the ET corpses cannot summon anything, so even summoning his league of puppets might not be possible... We'll have to wait and see... But at least kishi set in stone the fact that you have to seal the ET souls or disable the body and make the caster dispell it to beat the technique.

[dr.mohd.arbash]

The scenario you suggest is very likely, as I honestly can't see Sasori and Deidara dying here, and it would be awful to let the Alliance get the "first win", especially when Kankurou has spelled out that this will have a huge impact on how the war will turn out. It sounds like they'll be on the "how poorly it's executed" side. As I see it now, Team Kankurou will have to pull a tactical retreat somehow.

I agree on that.. especially this will be the first lesson for the new generation about the cruelty and seriousness of war!!!

Some of them looked psychologically not prepared for war, which is expected to happen for the new generation that did not taste war. The others are not fully prepared for war.

Sooooo, lesson 1 should be too intense.

[da_ni]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold your horses! Tokuma only possessed the strongest Byakugan in the hyuga, in terms of just how far a distance he can see, he was not the strongest Hyuga. The title of strongest Hyuga belongs to either Neji or his Uncle.

should have expressed myself better. i ment the eyes...

[Aikidoka]

On the other hand, for the strongest hyuuga to be defeated offscrean, and now beeing used as a puppet... DISAPOINTING.. Neji should appear right here and now a kick his ass so hard that his discendent would still feel it.
He's not the strongest Hyuuga, he has the best Byakugan. We don't know who the strongest Hyuuga is, for all we know it's Neji.

Anyway, just read the chapter...completely AWESOME! For me, build-up chapters are usually better than the chapters that come after, but this was a rare case where this chapter actually was above the build-up in quality. Kishi is going strong, managing to keep the chapter action-packed and fast-paced while giving everyone fanservice. I liked how we saw hints of techniques and strategies -- Anko's team exceeded my expectations (the bug-jamming tactic was clever), and that panel with Kabuto and Anko -- AMAZING! A bit disappointed we didn't see more of that battle, but with the pace it's to be expected. The anime will most likely fill that in (hopefully well).

Kankuro, Omoi, and Sai all had a chance to shine (so glad Sai is back for real! I missed his badassness). It's a good thing Kishi chose not to dwell too much on the 'brother' thing with Sai, the cliffhanger looks like it'll continue to be fast-paced. We have plenty of time down the road anyway for more ET-related angst.

That sensor guy from the ambush squad was annoying..."with me around you'll be fine" or some stupid boast, and then he runs straight into a trap. He deserved to die IMO. >_<

[da_ni]

another thing... isn't it strange to sent out a ambush squad with mostly unexperienced ninjas in it??? Kankurou is 18, Sai is 17, Omoi is about that age... Deidara is also of that age, slightly older than Kankurou, but then theres sasori, who has more battle experience of Kankurou, Sai and Omoi together!! sgouldn't be there someone more experinced? from what i've seen, maybe the oldest guy is probably the Iwa nin...
also, when the teams where settled, somone said that the teams should have some diversity in them, now we know they have, they have medic ninjas, sensor type ninjas, long ranje ninjas, short range ninjas, all in this squad.. but will this squad be unique? ahve to wai!!! (3rd week in a row reading Naruto chapter on a wednesday!!!)

[Sannom]

What i loved the most about this chapter was that those "small" jutsu were the most effective.The bugs that confused the sensors,Kankurou's and Sasori's chakra strings and simple taijutsu.No need for hax.This is how shinobi should work.Love it.Kishi better keep up with that.^^


Don't forget the trap they set up with Deidara's bombs and the Aburame guy. That was great, Deidara and Sasori really are cunning bastards! No wonder Kabuto was the 'pupil' of one and let the other in charge of an ambush squadron!



another thing... isn't it strange to sent out a ambush squad with mostly unexperienced ninjas in it??? Kankurou is 18, Sai is 17, Omoi is about that age... Deidara is also of that age, slightly older than Kankurou, but then theres sasori, who has more battle experience of Kankurou, Sai and Omoi together!!


Deidara is one of the youngest in his team, and yet he's in charge. Really, their team is just more fitted for ambush and traps than Kankuro's team is.

I wonder if Sasori will try to attack Kankurô and steal him the scrolls that contain his puppets. Sasori would probably be more efficient with those : even if they aren't as powerful than his own collection, he was the one who created them and should be able to use them expertly!

[lordHokage]

You Can't really make that comparison dude. the difference between Orochimaru's situation and Kabuto's is that, for the time being, kabuto's summons have wills of there own. thusly, Sasori and deidara have the privilege of rational thought. Which means that it won't just be Kill Kill Kill. They can actually come up with strategies to defeat there opponents. free will was something Hashirama, and Tobirama lacked, they just did what Orochimaru commanded right up until they got absorbed by the death god.

Sasori and Deidara were proud members of an evil organization that wanted to destroy the world by means of wars. It makes no difference who summoned them, by choice they are killing machine regardless of their strategies. Hashirama and Tobirama knew nothing about Konoha's Invasion but they were Orochimaru's killing machine by force. :p

[Gats]

Sasori, Deidara and the other guys of the Akatsuki recon team are top notch ninjas but they are "human" (no superhuman strength, etc), not monster like Kakuzu (Sasori seems to be in his full human shape). So it's still possible to immobilize some of them at least, besides the Alliance's recon team already knows about ET.

The weakest team can still win, but, man, good luck ! :D

[Brill]

Well Anko looks dead. Pretty pose. :p The only reason to keep her alive is if Kabuto needs the curse mark for some bizzarre reason, but I'm ok with her dead. Those of you claiming you can't kill Anko offscreen? Ridiculous. I equate Anko with Hayate. If Kishi can kill Hayate offscreen, he can kill Anko offscreen.

As for the Alliance scouting team. They all can die. Omoi, Kankuro, and Sai are all expendable. I love it when people clamor "We want bloodshed" and then in the first skirmish they say "Well....not Omoi, Sai, or Kankuro". :eyeroll I see one of the Sand trio dying and I'd pick Kankuro over Temari or Gaara. Omoi holds no interest whatsoever and Sai's only reason for surviving this war is to compete with Sasuke for the last spot in the reformed Team 7.

I don't see Deidara or Sasori dying either BECAUSE THEY CAN"T DIE. :amuse I like the description of Edo Tensei and its scope and magnitude. They keep going if Kabuto is killed. Interesting, I think we're in for a ton of bloodshed as the forces split becuase there won't be Imobilization Justu #33 "So Katsui" (oops :)). Should prove entertaining.

[Angol]

Who said Anko wouldn't last 3 pages? LOL xD

Hey, Kakashi probably copied Zabuza's Water Prison...use it on Edo Tensei bodies :P They immobilized Gai, Naruto, Yamato, etc...why not zombies? :P

[zerocooldx]

Well if this chapter showcased one thing it was how inexperience in war can not only get you injured or killed but also how those around you can be injured or killed based on your own actions as well. Saji, the greenhorn, nearly got everyone killed while Ittan, someone who obviously experienced war, basically helped save everyone. Its pretty clear to see how experience in such a huge factor, regardless of how "elite" someone is.

[MonsterEnvy]

Awesome chapter!!!

And the panel with Anko is just incredible...
I... really hope she's still alive...

I really liked her... probably my favorite female character...


Most likely she's still alive...
Kishi wouldn't kill her off-screen... right? Right? :s
Kishi would not kill her off screen she is favorite female character too

I almost forgot, the art in this chapter was top notch. What a relief after last week's many half finished pages. I particularly liked the flight scenes, Sai's "landing" and most beastly of them all; Kabuto's victory scene. Poor Anko, luck was really not on her side, being matched up against Orochimaru 2.0 when being an Orochimaru 0.5 herself. I wonder if she's dead or alive really..
i think she is alive

It's great to see this arc jumping right out into full swing.

I'm very pleased to see that the battles are being carried out as group vs group battles, instead of several dozen 1 on 1 fights(the mistake Kubo made). That bodes well for this arc.

The unnamed Aburame was no big deal, unnamed characters dropping like flies is to be expected, but the fact that Anko got killed THAT quickly is. If her death is something Kishimoto does in the blink of eye he might actually go hardcore with this war, something that would make me very happy.

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The next thing i'm going to look for is the death of a younger character. If that happens any concern about Kishimoto pulling punches on the friendly causalities of this little war will be gone.
its not said that she was dead i think she is alive

No way she's dead, don't worry. For once, Kishi wouldn't kill her off screen. Plus, why would Kabuto carry her around like this? He's taking her back for further interrogation, or maybe he wants to study her Heaven seal. He needs that one if he wants to surpass Orochimaru in every way.


I'm kinda worried that this fight will turn out quite cheesy though. sasori doesn't have any puppets, so it might come down to Kankuro and him microing it out with Human puppets, where there's a realistic chance of Kankuro winning. Then Sai's art against Deidara's art... There shouldn't be anyway Deidara can lose this one, figuring the scales, large or tiny, his bombs can be. But still... in this situation, even a draw would seem weird. I'm all for bodies dropping, maybe getting some info out, as usual, and then sai and Kankuro escaping. Omoi kinda had the preshadowing moment already, of him getting captured, and kankuro telling him that dying for the mission is worthy.
agrre

Speechless again!!!

What just happened was really intense!!! Anko :crying Aburame :( I really felt sorry for them. Tokuma, Other guy.

Guys who kicked ass this chapter are : Kabuchimaro, ET Sasori, ET Deidara, and Shin from the bad guys. Omoi, kankuru, Sai, & Ittan" iwa guy" from Shinobi army.





I am totally interested in Sai & Shin !! I was absolutely waiting for this moment. :blink

I agree Omoi looks so tough!! Did he just use " Gecko Hayate (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Dance_of_the_Crescent_Moon)" jutsu ?


"No time to wipe for a fallen comrade" was the best quote of the week!! damn !!


Next chapter pleaaase :darn
don't cry for anko i know she is alive

Well Anko looks dead. Pretty pose. :p The only reason to keep her alive is if Kabuto needs the curse mark for some bizzarre reason, but I'm ok with her dead. Those of you claiming you can't kill Anko offscreen? Ridiculous. I equate Anko with Hayate. If Kishi can kill Hayate offscreen, he can kill Anko offscreen.
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Anko is his favorite female character he would not kill her off screen and Hayatee was on screen we just did not see th final blow

she look beat up and Knocked out but alive it looks like Kabuto is bring her back to base i bet for the curse seal

and yeah good chapter

[street_san]

loool, the way kankuro talked he made it seemed that Kabuto is more of a wanted person then Madara himself, lool xD

[dr.mohd.arbash]

^ ^ ^ ^

For me I believe tragic losses are expected in war! If not why would people be afraid of war?? Yes, it would be a mere child play if none occurred.

As someone mentioned, it is natural for us to get attached to our favorite characters and to pray for them to stay alive. At the same time it won't be fair if we expect the author to keep all the good characters alive.



We asked for war arc and here we get a real one!

[lordHokage]

Heh… then whoever wins here can claim they carried out their sneak attack successfully. We’re the first ones they send out this victory will set the tone for the entire war! And we won’t lose, we can’t lose, because we…are immortal!

Overconfident Deidara will be the real reason why his team got defeated so badly by team Kankurou. Pein was immortal and what happen to him? :D

[SenninSage]

Kishi is one clever devil. Know what will be a huge tactical factor in this fight? Remember when Kankurou told one ninja to setup bomb traps in the 2 o'clock and 6 o'clock direction, and then he told Omui to set up bomb traps in every other location?

I have a very strong suspicion that Omui had one of his "what if" moments and probably ended up planting some bombs in some specific spots, outside of what Kankurou told him to do, believing it might become important later on? I have no idea just yet how he'd end up using them, but I strongly suspect those bombs that were set will become crucial to the end of this battle. We know bombs won't beat these Edo Tensei ninja, but perhaps using them as well timed distractions for something else will end up being useful for them.

However, there's a major wild card among this team, and it's most likely whatever the other abilities of that Mist ninja are. If he really possess that dark element kekkei genkai that absorbs chakra, he can really screw over an individual who fights using puppets which require chakra strings.

[ForMotherRussia]

last week i was thinking, how the hell Sasori will fight if he doesn't have his puppets. now i c, lulz.
Though i've always thought that puppet-controlling a person requires action from both sides, so to speak, like if somebody doesn't want to be controlled - he wouldn't be. That opens a question, if it was that easy, then why didn't Sasori just re-control Sakura or his granny, when they were fighting? Plothole? Something else?

Also with all this war, where the hell are Juugo and Suigetsu? Are they dead, or will they fight against the guy who gave them to the samurai? duh...

[KiSwordsman]

Sasori and Deidara were proud members of an evil organization that wanted to destroy the world by means of wars. It makes no difference who summoned them, by choice they are killing machine regardless of their strategies. Hashirama and Tobirama knew nothing about Konoha's Invasion but they were Orochimaru's killing machine by force. :p

And exactly How does that matter in the context of what you were saying before. You made it sound as If Kankuro had the advantage over Sasori simple do to the fact that, while Sasori died and his growth and Knowledge stopped, Kankuro has lived and has grown more, gained more
knowledge and become stronger then he was. A part of the reason why Sarutobi won that battle is because Tobirama and Hashirama were not thinking for themselves, Orochimaru was doing their thinking for them. And while they didn't have free will and rational thought, Hiruzen did and figured out a way to beat them. That's not the case here. Do u really think that the Zombies would have been able to pull off what they did this chapter if they didn't have free will? And that was my point.


Just because Sasoris growth stopped when he died doesn't mean that He's at a disadvantage against Kankuro. He's able to think, plan and act for himself, which means he won't just be tanking attacks until they figure out a way to immobilize him. It makes no difference if they were killing machines by choice or not. They could still think for themselves, something Tobirama and Hashirama could not do.

[SenninSage]

last week i was thinking, how the hell Sasori will fight if he doesn't have his puppets. now i c, lulz.
Though i've always thought that puppet-controlling a person requires action from both sides, so to speak, like if somebody doesn't want to be controlled - he wouldn't be. That opens a question, if it was that easy, then why didn't Sasori just re-control Sakura or his granny, when they were fighting? Plothole? Something else?

Also with all this war, where the hell are Juugo and Suigetsu? Are they dead, or will they fight against the guy who gave them to the samurai? duh...

Definitely not a plot hole. We also know Sasori to have a specific high level ability to control the mind of an individual to make them do his bidding. He likely used the same trick on all of these shinobi, and is now using them as his puppets as a result.

Also, with someone being able to Genjutsu Kabuto into ending Edo Tensei being such a huge part of this war now, it makes you wonder. Is this a setup for Kakashi to do big things? Is it a setup for Edo Itachi to free himself from Kabuto's control only to come back and fight against Kabuto, and force him to end Edo Tensei? Or maybe it's a setup for Naruto to arrive and Itachi's gift to finally play its role by unleashing a monstrous Genjutsu on Kabuto that shuts down all the Edo Tensei shinobi?

Then again, Itachi's gift is likely for something more important than just casting a high level genjutsu. Then again, it couldn't hurt to add really powerful genjutsu to Naruto's arsenal, even though he technically could have one if he fused with Ma and Pa.

What would be pretty badass is if Naruto, perhaps with some means of greatly amplifying the sound of Ma and Pa's Sennin mode Genjutsu, had them use their frog genjutsu to paralyze and trap a mass number of people inside of it.

This would trap practically all or most Edo Tensei ninja. They wouldn't be capable of escaping until the jutsu was released.


Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant (魔幻・蝦蟇臨唱, Magen: Gamarinshou)
Genjutsu, Senjutsu, No rank, Offensive, Supplementary, All ranges
Users: Shima, Fukasaku

When it reaches your ears, you're the prisoner of the demonic illusion
A one-hear certain kill vocal duet!!

[picture of Fukasaku and Shima singing together, while sitting on Jiraiya's shoulder]
↑On both shoulders of "Sage Mode" Jiraiya are the "genjutsu" singing married toad couple...!! After several centuries of married life, the exquisite harmony of the Two Great Sage Toads distorts even the airspace!!

The person who hears it is lured into a "genjutsu world that binds the mind"
When two or more toads come together and sing the secret musical scale passed down on Mt. Myouboku, the person who hears the harmony is lured into a "genjutsu world that binds the mind". Because learning it requires many long years of training, the husband and wife Great Toad Sage are the only one's with the skills to perform it.


[picture of the sound reaching Animal Realm's ears and him feeling the effects of the genjutsu]
↑The "Toad Confrontation Chant" only has to reach the target's sense of hearing to be a success. On the other hand, because it uses sound, it also has a weakness in that it gives away the users' whereabouts

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[picture of Human Realm, Preta Realm, and Animal Realm caught in the barrier]
←↓Even if there are several hundred targets, they are completely disconnected from each other!!

The person whose ears the "Toad Confrontation Chant" reaches has both mind and body completely sealed between the hands of giant unmoving toads!!
[picture of the four giant toads holding the barrier between their hands]

With four toads standing motionless on all sides, both dream and reality become bound by hand and foot!!

Inside the genjutsu world, the target is surrounded North, East, South, and West, by giant toads, imprisoning them in a barrier. The four unmoving toads won't lift the complete binding until the user gives the order. All that is left to do is to strike the finishing blow in the real world.

[Askia32]

Sick, Omoi is about to fight, can't wait. I bet he is going to unleash some nice sword techniques and maybe some nice non-dbzish jutsu's to compliment his sword. He also seems like the analytical type too, OMG, Kishi please make this fight HOT!!!

Best chapter in a while. Showcased some aspects of war with tactics and experience vs non-experience(even though they are fighting glorified zombies).

[3c]

Definitely not a plot hole. We also know Sasori to have a specific high level ability to control the mind of an individual to make them do his bidding. He likely used the same trick on all of these shinobi, and is now using them as his puppets as a result.

Indeed, Sasori even has a 4 (http://static.mangahelpers.com/raws/databook3/japflap/080-081%20-%20Sasori.jpg) in genjutsu. I wouldn't put it past him that he may have incorporated genjutsu into his puppet technique. It would explain why his victims are being so easily controlled.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Next week, the winner of Sasori's puppets vs. Kankurou's puppets will set tone for the entire war. The Uzumaki's are needed, where are they? :(

Hmm, I dunno about that. But maybe you are right. It'll probably be it.

Well, I'm hoping for some of them to appear later on during the war. Say, when the alliance is nearly wiped out :D

Here comes Naruto and his clan members :D

That or his clan members appear when he himself is in a dire situation :D

Would be epic if they appeared and said: Boy, if you are an Uzumaki, then show what you've got :D GAHHH :tem


Overconfident Deidara will be the real reason why his team got defeated so badly by team Kankurou. Pein was immortal and what happen to him? :D

Nah, I doubt that. Edo Tensei ninjas will survive and win this round, which will make the alliance take drastic measures, but, Alliance ambush team will survive and escape to warn them.

Shouldn't there be a sealing expert in @ least all squads?

@SenninSage - good prediction on Omoi planting bombs in other locations. It'll probably happen.

I can't just keep stop thinking about that Anko image. It's just plain awesome!

[Jammin]

its not said that she was dead i think she is aliveYou are correct it wasn't said, it was "very strongly implied".

That being said, i'd be willing to grant the possibility that he tranquilized her(in a way that made blood run out the side of her mouth) or maybe she was a meat clone. Anything's possible i guess, but even if i was a betting man i wouldn't put any money on that one.:amuse

It seems pretty likely, all things considered, that Kabuto has himself a new recruit for the zombie brigade.

[sarutobi_sensei]

What I truly want is: for this war not to be a battle. I don't want this to be a 1 day battle. I want it to take really lots of time. Like 1 week or 1 month maybe more!

Hmm, what if Kabuto's chakra goes down to near 0 and he needs to deactivate the Jutsu because he won't be able to control the summons? Could this be a way for them to win this?

[KiSwordsman]

I think its a lot less complicated then that. I mean the guys that Sasori is controlling look really messed up, like they've been in an explosion. I think he may be able to control them simply because they're to weak to control their own body's. You guys might be right though

[Moogle Mango]

Well if Kabuto was to run out of chakra to release the ET, that begs to ask, how much chakra does he have? I am assuming that he has a large amount to summon that many summons, but he would need to have an even larger amount to maintain it.

[Shinsatsu]

Finally, a hidden cloud "rookie" will fight seriously.
Omoi is in the list of fights I want to see! The hidden cloud shinobis are my favorites :D you know why? because they own doujutsu without doujutsu.

Anyway, I don't think that Kishi is going to start killing off Akatsuki Zombies right now... Maybe something will interrupt this fight ^^

R.I.P Aburame dude...

[ZShadow07]

For some reason i want rocklee to die even though he is one of my favorite characters

[sarutobi_sensei]

Could that Jutsu that Danzou used to stop Sasuke be used to stop these Edo Tensei Summons for some time? I hope it can.

But damn, I want the Uzumaki's to appear out of nowhere and help in the battle. I srsl hope they know that Naruto is the 9 tails Jinchuuriki and that this is a war to protect him.

[DEATHBOTT]

maybe sasori severs important joints on the shinobi so he can then use them as puppets without them putting up a fight.

[sarutobi_sensei]

For some reason i want rocklee to die even though he is one of my favorite characters
What the fuck? Lee is awesome, why the hell do you want him to die?

Tenten and Ino can go, Lee has to stay. Chouji can go too xD

[elitefox]

Making a zombie just for Sai makes me think that Kabuto doesn't underestimated anyone and not just that, he might even be anticipating the recon team XD

damn kabuto, he might be able to defeat Tobi but not chose too, maybe because he wants more knowledge

[zerocooldx]

Well if Kabuto was to run out of chakra to release the ET, that begs to ask, how much chakra does he have? I am assuming that he has a large amount to summon that many summons, but he would need to have an even larger amount to maintain it.

Other then for Kakashi, chakra has basically ceased to be an obstacle in the manga. Everyone can pretty much spam whatever they want now to their hearts content.

[PoopNScoop]

I would say that Anko is dead from the looks of that picture. Kabuto isn't going to be fooled by any of the Joint Shinobi Force's illusions. You need a Sharingan or Rinnegan to cast a genjutsu of the appropriate strength to trick him to that extent. As far as immobilization goes, I think that Kitsuchi, Gaara, and Shikimaru (keep in mind that all three are moving together) can keep a couple of the Edo Tensei summons busy. Sai hit his brother and knocked him into the trap, but his brother regenerated and returned to the fight. Sasori is still hiding somewhere.

What possible advantage does a Sasori puppet provide Kankurou? It is the ability of the puppet master that matters and Sasori is so beyond Kankurou. Kankurou's Sasori puppet is just for show, a fan-service device from the Kage summit. The puppet won't even work as a distraction because Sasori probably won't care what his body is being used for. The most good that puppet can do is get Deidera to mistakenly attack the Edo Tensei'd Sasori. Even then, Sasori would just regenerate. Kankurou would have been much better off making a puppet out of someone with more base-strength or a bloodline limit. Anyway you slice it, Sasori and Deidera are so superior to Omoi, Sai, and Kankurou. C4 Karuna alone would annihilate an entire regiment of Shinobi without lightning affinities!

I say that Omoi bites the dust in the next chapter fighting against Sai's brother. but manages to use his lightning element against a Deidera bomb to save the rest of the Joint Shinobi Force's Ambush Squadron (their mission is already a failure by the way). Sai and Kankurou escape together, but Kankurou must get badly injured. Either Kabuto or more Edo Tensei summons will meet up with the Akatsuki Ambush Squadron.

Oh and by the way, there is at least one other way to kill the Edo Tensei summons: use a jutsu to make them alive (a la Naruto, Tsunade or Sakura, assuming she has mastered Chiyo's jutsu), at least to temporarily sever the link between them and Kabuto, and use that opportunity to kill the person. Altogether, I am confident now that either Madara or Sasuke will kill Kabuto before this war is over even if they don't fight all of the Edo Tensei summons.

[dr.mohd.arbash]

Amazing to know that Shinobi army set up a plan to counter ET already (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/96649938/7). Nice idea.

[DarkPrinceRevan]

wow this chapter was really good. sai owned his brother big time (he sorta looked like gai or lee do with their headbands on), good thing hes immortal cause that hit broke his neck something wicked. and i think omoi's cloud style crescent moon cutter might have share some similarities to hayate's dance of the crescent moon

[dr.mohd.arbash]

^ ^ ^

Hell yeah. nothing less than instant kill skills are to be expected from a former anbu member. Sai actually atttacked to kill!

[SenninSage]

Could that Jutsu that Danzou used to stop Sasuke be used to stop these Edo Tensei Summons for some time? I hope it can.

But damn, I want the Uzumaki's to appear out of nowhere and help in the battle. I srsl hope they know that Naruto is the 9 tails Jinchuuriki and that this is a war to protect him.

One of the absolute best jutsu in the entire manga right now for dealing with the Edo Tensei shinobi, is Ma and Pa's Genjutsu. All Naruto need do is summon them, get within range where enough of the Edo Tensei ninja will hear it, then you've got hundreds trapped in an illusion where both mind and body are completely sealed, and all hundred+ targets are even separated from one another, no communication possible.

They aren't released from this trap until the user of the jutsu decides to release them.

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The person whose ears the "Toad Confrontation Chant" reaches has both mind and body completely sealed between the hands of giant unmoving toads

Even if there are several hundred targets, they are completely disconnected from each other!!

I don't know of a single jutsu more effective than this one in trapping them all.

I gotta say, I'm truly impressed with Omoi's composure on the battlefield. I've always thought of him as Killer Bee's best student, and I think he's almost certainly at the level of an Akatsuki shinobi.

[Asclepius]

hmmm
One rule down: not all Hyuugas have dark hair. One blonde Hyuuga is shining for 15 minutes. :o

I was going to agree with killing Kabuto to end Edo Tensei earlier, but this chapter made it clear it can't be done this way.

At this pace, Sasuke's MS will be shown only next year.

[SenninSage]

Good catch, if Sai's brother wasn't immortal, Sai would have already had a kill in this war.

He didn't hesitate at all, he went straight for the kill from the start.

[zerocooldx]

Good catch, if Sai's brother wasn't immortal, Sai would have already had a kill in this war.

He didn't hesitate at all, he went straight for the kill from the start.

Thats one good thing about Root members, they kill first and don't bother with questions.

[lordHokage]

And exactly How does that matter in the context of what you were saying before. You made it sound as If Kankuro had the advantage over Sasori simple do to the fact that, while Sasori died and his growth and Knowledge stopped, Kankuro has lived and has grown more, gained more
knowledge and become stronger then he was. A part of the reason why Sarutobi won that battle is because Tobirama and Hashirama were not thinking for themselves, Orochimaru was doing their thinking for them. And while they didn't have free will and rational thought, Hiruzen did and figured out a way to beat them. That's not the case here. Do u really think that the Zombies would have been able to pull off what they did this chapter if they didn't have free will? And that was my point. Just because Sasoris growth stopped when he died doesn't mean that He's at a disadvantage against Kankuro. He's able to think, plan and act for himself, which means he won't just be tanking attacks until they figure out a way to immobilize him. It makes no difference if they were killing machines by choice or not. They could still think for themselves, something Tobirama and Hashirama could not do.

Those jutsu's what Hashirama and Tobirama used against Sarutobi, Orochimaru had no say. If it wasn't for the Death god jutsu, Orochimaru's killing machines will utterly destroy the Hidden Leaf Village. As for Sasori's at a disadvantage due to a lack of growth that all depends on whether Kankurou's puppet skills and abilities surpass his master. :p

[sarutobi_sensei]

One of the absolute best jutsu in the entire manga right now for dealing with the Edo Tensei shinobi, is Ma and Pa's Genjutsu. All Naruto need do is summon them, get within range where enough of the Edo Tensei ninja will hear it, then you've got hundreds trapped in an illusion where both mind and body are completely sealed, and all hundred+ targets are even separated from one another, no communication possible.

They aren't released from this trap until the user of the jutsu decides to release them.

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I don't know of a single jutsu more effective than this one in trapping them all.

I gotta say, I'm truly impressed with Omoi's composure on the battlefield. I've always thought of him as Killer Bee's best student, and I think he's almost certainly at the level of an Akatsuki shinobi.
I definitely thought about that, but doesn't it involve being protected @ least? I mean, when Jiraiya was fighting Pain, he hid himself to let Ma and Pa prepare the Jutsu. It worked perfectly. You saw what happened with Naruto vs Pain. Pa got killed and Ma got sent flying.

If this is one of the only ways, then it has to be thoroughly coordinated and with perfect timing.

[llamapie]

Good chapter I thought. Things are getting interesting but it seems to me the allies are going to lose this war and Naruto will find out one way or the other -- then curb stomp everyone for holding him back when he can beat everyone Kabuto and Madara throw at him.

So hoping next chapter we at least get a couple pages showing what Naruto is now training.

[xaither]

I thought i just saw naruto with a mustache, thats all i can say for this chapter,
jking this chapter was awesome, poor sai, kabuto sure knows the right spot to hit ><

[zerocooldx]

and let's not forget...kankurou has a sasori puppet. it'll be interesting to see how he fight against himself

Well the Puppet Sasori will be basically inefficient against the real Sasori for the simple fact that the real Sasori can't be physically harmed by the puppet due to Edo Tensei. And even with that puppet Kankuro is definitely still well below Sasori is terms of whose a better puppeteer. Especially since Sasori seems to not only be able to fully control living people but he can also apparently somehow have them use their own jutsu. Ie. Sasori having Muta use his Bug Jamming jutsu to hide the fact that Akatsuki was behind him and that Sasori was controlling him.

[SenninSage]

I definitely thought about that, but doesn't it involve being protected @ least? I mean, when Jiraiya was fighting Pain, he hid himself to let Ma and Pa prepare the Jutsu. It worked perfectly. You saw what happened with Naruto vs Pain. Pa got killed and Ma got sent flying.

If this is one of the only ways, then it has to be thoroughly coordinated and with perfect timing.

The alliance itself will be distracting the Edo Tensei ninja for Ma and Pa while they cast the Genjutsu.

Or, better yet, Naruto himself can create a bunch of kage bunshin and also serve as a defense for Ma and Pa. It won't be easy getting past a bunch of Rikudou Mode Narutos, or even a bunch of Sage Mode Narutos.

Ma and Pa don't necessarily have to be fused to Naruto. They can easily conceal and hide Ma and Pa among somewhere on the battlefield as they prepare their Genjutsu.

[ninjaman]

this chapter is freaking awesome screw bleach for now. Dam i wonder which unlucky people gonna fight hanzou's team? dude can tank orochimaru, jman and tsunade showing them mercy.

[lordHokage]

Nah, I doubt that. Edo Tensei ninjas will survive and win this round, which will make the alliance take drastic measures, but, Alliance ambush team will survive and escape to warn them.


When it all said and done, both sides will receive heavy casualties and will be force to take drastic measures regardless of the outcome. In this chapter, Kishimoto revealed that Edo Tensei ninjas are not immortal. :D

[KiSwordsman]

Those jutsu's what Hashirama and Tobirama used against Sarutobi, Orochimaru had no say. If it wasn't for the Death god jutsu, Orochimaru's killing machines will utterly destroy the Hidden Leaf Village. As for Sasori's at a disadvantage due to a lack of growth that all depends on whether Kankurou's puppet skills and abilities surpass his master. :p


Who exactly is Kankuro's master? Because I remember his teacher, and Baki has nothing to do with the current conversation. So the jutsu that Hashirama and Tobirama used were their own, Orochimaru was still controlling their actions. but knowing Kishimoto, I'm gonna bank On all the alliance guys in the ambush unit surviving. That way if some tragic shit happens then ill be pleasantly surprised, and can start enjoying this arc.

[ninjaman]

Nevermind the "everyone will wait for Naruto to pop up and deal with Kabuto"

I forgot about Sakura being the genjutsu type. A medic like her who need to be defeated via genjutsu which is what should be her specialty ? Kabuto is obviously her prey.

Naruto probably won't get involved too much with this war.

Here is how I see this arc.

zombies are soul ripped for some, bound for others.
Naruto start interfering in the war. Madara fetches Sasuke to fight him.
Naruto defeats Sasuke.
Team Kakashi reach them. Sakura heal them.
Kakashi, Gai and Lee fight the zombies bodyguarding Kabuto. Sasuke takes on Itachi. Naruto takes on the 6th coffin.
Sakura defeats Kabuto.

Madara runs away after losing the battle.
End of the arc.

sakura hunting/defeating kabuto.. are you retarded?

[MonsterEnvy]

One of the absolute best jutsu in the entire manga right now for dealing with the Edo Tensei shinobi, is Ma and Pa's Genjutsu. All Naruto need do is summon them, get within range where enough of the Edo Tensei ninja will hear it, then you've got hundreds trapped in an illusion where both mind and body are completely sealed, and all hundred+ targets are even separated from one another, no communication possible.

They aren't released from this trap until the user of the jutsu decides to release them.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=23362655&postcount=389


I don't know of a single jutsu more effective than this one in trapping them all.

I gotta say, I'm truly impressed with Omoi's composure on the battlefield. I've always thought of him as Killer Bee's best student, and I think he's almost certainly at the level of an Akatsuki shinobi.
but won't good guys get trapped too

and about Omoi he is not KB's best student thats Samui or else she would not be the leader of the 3 of them

he is smarter and better then Karui no doubt but Samui would kick his ass I bet

When it all said and done, both sides will receive heavy casualties and will be force to take drastic measures regardless of the outcome. In this chapter, Kishimoto revealed that Edo Tensei ninjas are not immortal. :D

No they are still Immortal but if they can't move they aren't going to fight if you tossed a few big rocks on them they are not getting out unless they can lift said rock natrually

[lordHokage]

Who exactly is Kankuro's master? Because I remember his teacher, and Baki has nothing to do with the current conversation. So the jutsu that Hashirama and Tobirama used were there own, Orochimaru was still controlling there actions. but knowing Kishimoto, I'm gonna bank On all the alliance guys in the ambush unit surviving. That way if some tragic shit happens then ill be pleasantly surprised, and can start enjoying this arc.

And likewise with Edo Tensei ninjas, Kabuto is still controlling there actions. Sasori was Kankurou's teacher. :D

[KiSwordsman]

And likewise with Edo Tensei ninjas, Kabuto is still controlling there actions. Sasori was Kankurou's teacher. :D

LOL, since when? this has never been stated anywhere. He's not in the way that Orochimaru controlled the two kages not yet at least.They still have the ability to think and act on their own. that's my whole point, and that's the main difference here. You cant compare the two situations like they're the same thing.

[Zatono]

Omoi is a badass, enough said on that subject.

As for everyone else, it was pretty damn obvious that Anko was going to set owned, although I didn't think it'd be off panel like that.

This entire ambush squad, besides Sai and Omoi, can get wrecked for all I care. There's no way Kankurou is beating Sasori, and Deidara can kill them all by himself right now...so..yeah. Perhaps Omoi or Sai have ways of immobilizing them, but its a little unlikely.

[pain666]

the frost country??? lol it seems kishi replaced his flaw of putting the mist village in the wrong spot of the map.


i hope anko is dead. becuase her pose was so badass that it makes up for no fight scene =D

if she is not dead then...the bug guy was first blood right since he blew up (did he?).

[MonsterEnvy]

why hope anko is dead i think he is just taking her alive back to his base she is Kishi faveorite female he won't kill her off panel

[SenninSage]

Well the Puppet Sasori will be basically inefficient against the real Sasori for the simple fact that the real Sasori can't be physically harmed by the puppet due to Edo Tensei. And even with that puppet Kankuro is definitely still well below Sasori is terms of whose a better puppeteer. Especially since Sasori seems to not only be able to fully control living people but he can also apparently somehow have them use their own jutsu. Ie. Sasori having Muta use his Bug Jamming jutsu to hide the fact that Akatsuki was behind him and that Sasori was controlling him.

The danger for the Edo Tensei ninja isn't in their being defeated or killed, but somehow trapped, unable to move or do anything. However, who knows if any of these shinobi possess a trap technique. Then again, we already kinda know that Sai does possess techniques capable of tying up and trapping people, but it wasn't enough against Sasuke, but there was no reason to believe that was his most powerful method of capturing someone.

[danzouismadara]

Who exactly is Kankuro's master? Because I remember his teacher, and Baki has nothing to do with the current conversation. So the jutsu that Hashirama and Tobirama used were their own, Orochimaru was still controlling their actions. but knowing Kishimoto, I'm gonna bank On all the alliance guys in the ambush unit surviving. That way if some tragic shit happens then ill be pleasantly surprised, and can start enjoying this arc.

Speaking of BAki what the hell happened to that guy?? I'm surpised he was not shown as a high captain in this war.
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I always thought Omoi was chill but he is even more chill now!

I'm so happy i saw a sword tech. after all ninjas use swords and this manga is about ninjas.

SO who in the ambush squad can use genjutsu??

I think only sai and kankurou can stop the summons movements

[KiSwordsman]

the frost country??? lol it seems kishi replaced his flaw of putting the mist village in the wrong spot of the map.


i hope anko is dead. becuase her pose was so badass that it makes up for no fight scene =D

if she is not dead then...the bug guy was first blood right since he blew up (did he?).

Ya That guy is dead. I'm just worried that Kishimoto is gonna ruin the whole thing by having the entire squad survive. I just want some death for the alliance side, death that will actually have an impact on the readers.

[jdw]

Speaking of BAki what the hell happened to that guy?? I'm surpised he was not shown as a high captain in this war.

A lot of time has passed since he was relevant (in a minor way, anyway), he could have been surpassed much like many of the other "older" shinobi.

[Marcius]

Even though I didn´t like the spoilers, the chapter is quite awesome (8,5/10). Can´t wait for what´s going to happen next, because I just can´t see Kishimoto totally killing off the alliance squad since ETs are much stronger. Anko´s end was sealed last chapter with the quite awesome snake-hand clash, this chapter´s panel just showed how badly.

Since ET of this amount doesn´t show too much flow for now, it´s like 5 times stronger than Nagato´s Pain technique, which kinda sucks for me, because 6 summons doing each one type of jutsu was enough to beat Jiraiya... if it was for Kabuto´s ET, he wouldn´t last even 2 minutes :///

Omoi and Kankura are THE BADASSs of this chapter for me. I think that Omoi is going to fight Sai´s brother, but then Sai steps in and will do it himself.

[SenninSage]

Who says the First and Second Hokages weren't capable of using any strategy?

The First Hokage only used his trademark ninjutsu because he wanted to ensure that the Third was boxed in and in range for the next jutsu he was about to use, a short to mid range genjutsu, bringer of darkness.

[Vite Zeus]

Now thats one interesting chapter..good character revelation from omoi..and kankurou was "never" sasori's student..but kankurou did use his puppets who was then nicknamed "red sand" with the red scorpion label..remember sasori left the village when he was less than 20yrs of age..
I liked the part where sai's brother warned him..was too dramatic..speaking of which did anyone notice a flaw?..sai was a code name given by danzou himself yrs after his brother's death soon after the time skip..howcome his brother call him "Sai" now, when the former was dead precisely at the time when sai was code named so?..

[jdw]

Now thats one interesting chapter..good character revelation from omoi..and kankurou was "never" sasori's student..but kankurou did use his puppets who was then nicknamed "red sand" with the red scorpion label..remember sasori left the village when he was less than 20yrs of age..
I liked the part where sai's brother warned him..was too dramatic..speaking of which did anyone notice a flaw?..sai was a code name given by danzou himself yrs after his brother's death soon after the time skip..howcome his brother call him "Sai" now, when the former was dead precisely at the time when sai was code named so?..

Kabuto, the master of information collection, could have shared intel. I am not saying that is what happened, it is just possible. Also, someone called him Sai at the time: http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/96649938/15

[Vite Zeus]

Kabuto, the master of information collection, could have shared intel. I am not saying that is what happened, it is just possible. Also, someone called him Sai at the time: http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/96649938/15

true..thats a theory I supported in my previous post back at me..well still you know, long lost brothers/friends tend to call their close ones by their actual names in their reunion, even nicknames..so calling sai came out as a flaw to me..who knows maybe you should be right..

[DarkPrinceRevan]

Now thats one interesting chapter..good character revelation from omoi..and kankurou was "never" sasori's student..but kankurou did use his puppets who was then nicknamed "red sand" with the red scorpion label..remember sasori left the village when he was less than 20yrs of age..
I liked the part where sai's brother warned him..was too dramatic..speaking of which did anyone notice a flaw?..sai was a code name given by danzou himself yrs after his brother's death soon after the time skip..howcome his brother call him "Sai" now, when the former was dead precisely at the time when sai was code named so?..

guess we could chalk up his brother calling him sai cause kankuro said his name after he smashed his brothers face in

[lordHokage]

Omoi is a lot like Naruto. I won't let you force friends and family hurt one another! Until Killer Bee gives Naruto the thumbs up, the Nine Division's squads will shine against Edo Tensei ninjas and if white Zetsu is not battling those Divisions, I give his army no more that two chapters to shine. :D

[DeBaron8]

and about Omoi he is not KB's best student thats Samui or else she would not be the leader of the 3 of them

he is smarter and better then Karui no doubt but Samui would kick his ass I bet

I'm not so sure about this. Just because someone is the leader of the group does not mean they are the strongest. I have the feeling that all Bee's students are quite strong, but I'd put money on Omoi being the strongest. His problem is his anxiety, it's not really a quality you want in a team leader.

Plus, I'd say Samui is likely more intelligent and a better tactical leader, so she makes a better choice as team leader, even if Omoi is the stronger ninja. It's just like Team 7 without Kakashi in part 1, Naruto even though he was the strongest and saved the others, he would not be the best leader, I'd say Sasuke would be because he's better at tactics. Same thing with Team 10, Choji may be the strongest fighter in terms of combat and offensive techniques, but clearly the genius Shikamaru is by far the best leader.

I look forward to seeing some uber techniques from Omoi! I never really thought much about him before, except for some of his really funny moments. Now I'm really glad that he's getting some more screentime and looks like a real badass, plus he kinda reminds me of the "Naruto" of his group for some reason.


Omoi is a lot like Naruto. I won't let you force friends and family hurt one another!

I totally agree, Omoi has always sort of reminded me of Naruto, but this quote made their similarity even stronger for me.


Well if Kabuto was to run out of chakra to release the ET, that begs to ask, how much chakra does he have? I am assuming that he has a large amount to summon that many summons, but he would need to have an even larger amount to maintain it.

I think there is still a big unknown here in regards to how and when the ET user's chakra begins or sustains the technique. I'd say there is only an initial use of chakra to do the summoning, then the summon relies on the chakra of the sacrifice. Just like when Naruto summons a toad, the initial summoning costs chakra, but it does not continue to require the user's chakra. I'd say it's the same with ET.

Plus, there's no way Kabuto is putting any chakra into sustaining the technique, because then it would end if he died. And from this chapter we know that killing the user does not end the technique. The only chakra Kabuto might use, is when he needs to put a mind control technique on an ET summon. But even this may just be for the initial technique used to surpress the zombie's personality, then he likely uses little or no chakra to give the zombies orders. They could almost act as KB or something where he can easily communicate his orders to the summons and not use any chakra.

[VashDaStampede]

Good chapter. I can't wait to see Omoi's skills...since to me his team is like the Team 7 of the Cloud Village. Also one of Killerbee's students.

Yeah, I think Sai will end up taking out his brother. I think the Shinobi team will win but both sides will take heavy damage.

[Narutopia]

good chapter, good pace and no long wasting-pages talk..

i can see first defeat in tobi's side because omoi's factor..his unknown ability will play a huge role for ambush team..like someone (forgot his name, sorry ^^) have suggested, he might be the most gifted shinobi under killerbee & the strongest in team..probably he has some kind of hax jutsu like kekkei genkai or special jutsu to completely immobilize ET zombie (i hope)..or at least he can hold down ET zombies until rescue team comes..

for sai, can't wait to see him go berserk :)

hot spring village located in hot spring country..? wierd..

[Curryman]

Good chapter, decent pacing. Things are already looking not good for the Alliance as expected.

ET is broken as ever after all. It still remains to have no weaknesses...and the bodies stay even if Kabuto gets killed to boot...I wonder though is Anko dead? (I was really hoping to see some jutsu from Anko :() The Aburame fodder is the only confirmed death so far though I'm sure everyone there with the exception of Kankuro, Sai and Omoi will die eventually.

So looks like it comes down to only Naruto or someone on his scale will have the ability to defeat the zombies...then again it is revealed the body can be also be defeated by being "immobilized" (take that for what you will)...so either Kankuro, Omoi and Sai are going to be ass-pulling some Narutimate Accel ridiculuosly over-the-top ougi techniques or they are all screwed...

I love how much of a prick Deidara is...can't wait till someone kills him again...as much I hated the fight I want a Sasuke reunion with him and Sasuke disposing of him again...since I guess he still thinks he actually killed him for some reason (guess he missed Zetsu's babysitting room in the hideout).

Looks like the spotlight is on Omoi next chapter...hopefully he has more up his sleeve than a horizontal sword slash :notrust

[Thug4life]

if you cut the limbs of the corpses they grow back, if the only way to stop them is to litreally stop them, then i guess the key to fight the zombies is shikamaru or the nara clan otherwise why would kishi tell us he is gaara's back up im guessing gaara will give up his chakra this time to bring naruto back

[Newkerzy]

Yeah I agree, it would be sad but when it comes down to it I WANT named characters to die. Kankuro proved to be an awesome leader in this chapter, and he's probably among the top 3 strongest of Suna, so it would be a heavy hit if he died. Which would be both good and bad for different reasons. Besides like you said, not all of Team Kankuro can die, so Sai and Omoi have to escape (like you said they're awesome). And in my opinion letting the Alliance get the "first win" would be a huge mistake, Akatsuki needs to push through here and show their power.

Yeah, but I wouldn't mind them (alliance) winning too. As long as Kishi executes it well. I think a draw would probably be one of the most likely outcomes.

Oh yeah, Kankurou said the only other way to defeat ET is to immobilize the zombies, so.... any thoughts on how they're going to do that??!!

[MonsterEnvy]

Good chapter, decent pacing. Things are already looking not good for the Alliance as expected.

ET is broken as ever after all. It still remains to have no weaknesses...and the bodies stay even if Kabuto gets killed to boot...I wonder though is Anko dead? (I was really hoping to see some jutsu from Anko :() The Aburame fodder is the only confirmed death so far though I'm sure everyone there with the exception of Kankuro, Sai and Omoi will die eventually.

So looks like it comes down to only Naruto or someone on his scale will have the ability to defeat the zombies...then again it is revealed the body can be also be defeated by being "immobilized" (take that for what you will)...so either Kankuro, Omoi and Sai are going to be ass-pulling some Narutimate Accel ridiculuosly over-the-top ougi techniques or they are all screwed...

I love how much of a prick Deidara is...can't wait till someone kills him again...as much I hated the fight I want a Sasuke reunion with him and Sasuke disposing of him again...since I guess he still thinks he actually killed him for some reason (guess he missed Zetsu's babysitting room in the hideout).

Looks like the spotlight is on Omoi next chapter...hopefully he has more up his sleeve than a horizontal sword slash :notrust
I think that Anko is still alive she is Kishi favorite female so he would not just kill her

Edo tensei clones can be beaten by immobilizing them if you put a ton of rocks on them they will not bug you again

[jdw]

I think that Anko is still alive she is Kishi favorite female so he would not just kill her

Edo tensei clones can be beaten by immobilizing them if you put a ton of rocks on them they will not bug you again

They can be unsummoned then summoned once again. Seemingly anyway.

[Zatono]

They can be unsummoned then summoned once again. Seemingly anyway.

Exactly. The coffin can come from anywhere to grab you, as we saw with Deidara.

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/40727763/15

[SenninSage]

Ya That guy is dead. I'm just worried that Kishimoto is gonna ruin the whole thing by having the entire squad survive. I just want some death for the alliance side, death that will actually have an impact on the readers.

Well, Kishi also needs to be careful as well that he doesn't give some more important characters deaths that seem a bit too uncharacteristic with relation to the type of skill they've showcased throughout the manga.

The characters that fall under that banner are Rock Lee, Neji, Shino, Shikamaru, Sai, Kakashi, Gai, Sakura (she's sorta a main character, and obviously has some skill, despite acting stupid sometimes.), Chouji (we must see burn Chouji again), Hinata (I don't care, but she must not be allowed to die)

Simply put, all decently important characters in this manga, ones whose deaths would be a big deal in some fashion, technically all rookies and other fairly important characters -- you know who they are, so I don't have to list them all -- if they're to die, their death has to handled well, and it must be believable.

Short of a ninja of Salamander Hanzou's caliber, and others like him, surprising and instantly killing or gravely injuring one of the rookies or another important character in fairly quick fashion, it shouldn't happen otherwise. Now, Kishi isn't exactly required to showcase every character we know to be skilled as such, they can very easily get caught off guard and killed, as per Kishi's desire, it's his story, and his alone, after all.

However, if he's going to do such a thing with some characters, he has to make up for it in other areas, and that's all I ask for. If we're going to get some deaths of fairly important characters that we've known about since the early chapters of the manga, or that we've started to like on some level since part 2, at least make up for it in other areas by making sure other important characters, besides just the main characters, impress to add some semblance of balance to the entire affair. He can still add balance while displaying an aura of hopelessness for the Alliance's chances, so I wouldn't worry about the Alliance having things too easy.

So, yea, that's my feelings on the death of important characters during this war. Yamato may die, Anko may die, one of the known characters from this Ambush squad may die, we simply just don't know yet.

Also, anyone else see a very obvious weakness that will probably emerge as this fight continues for Edo Tensei Deidara and possibly also for Sasori and the others? Deidara seems to be rather high on the fact that he's immortal. Could that possibly cause him to be far more careless than he would have been when he was alive, possibly exposing some glaring openings that might not otherwise exist to the same degree for a ninja of their caliber?

[THM Nindo]

I'm still left thinking about Anko...
I mean... can she really be dead already?!

I was kinda guessing she would die, and I have nothing against her dying against Kabuto...
It's actually a cool match-up : the two best students of Orochimaru (excluding Sasuke), going one against the other...

And I would have been okay with it if we would have had 10 pages of fight... but...
killed off-screen?!

That just doesn't feel right...

Here's hoping that she's still alive...

PS: At least, that pic with her and Kabuto is just amazing!!!

[Gwym]

:D:D loved that :D

with this chapter Kishi stated clearly that this is going to be an all-out, brutal and merciless war, not some fluffy fairy tale crap.

can't wait to see Sasori's expression when he sees Kankuro's brand new puppet :D

As stated above I would like to see Kankuru die as well. And then Zombie Sasori can have a Kankuru and Sasori puppet lolz.

[jdw]

I'm still left thinking about Anko...
I mean... can she really be dead already?!

I was kinda guessing she would die, and I have nothing against her dying against Kabuto...
It's actually a cool match-up : the two best students of Orochimaru (excluding Sasuke), going one against the other...

And I would have been okay with it if we would have had 10 pages of fight... but...
killed off-screen?!

That just doesn't feel right...

Here's hoping that she's still alive...

PS: At least, that pic with her and Kabuto is just amazing!!!

Anko doesn't really mean anything to the manga so it isn't surprising she got the off-panel treatment. She has been around since the start and has never done anything remotely interesting.

[Zatono]

The interesting point about this chapter is that it's been reasserted that killing the user of Edo Tensei does not mean that the corpses will be un-summoned.

So, if Kabuto dies, the only real way of killing the corpses is taking their soul, correct?

I get the feeling that, somehow, all the potentially dangerous Edo Tensei summons are going to be un-summoned, Kabuto will die, and the remainder of the Edo Tensei'd people are just good guys who have complete control over themselves.
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She has been around since the start and has never done anything remotely interesting.

Come on, she licked Naruto's blood right off his face. That was pretty interesting back in the day.

[Hrathgrath]

This was one of the best chapters I've read of Naruto in a LONG time. I have been losing interest over a few months, but this last chapter has given me hope that the next bunch of chapters will be AWESOME! All this time that we have been silently, and not so silently at times, begging for the other characters to have some screen time. I mean we know how much a few of the characters have grown, but on the whole, not many..

*waits with baited breath*

[jdw]

@Zatono: She is basically Ten Ten with a larger fanbase (on here), lmao.

[toussaintac]

The interesting point about this chapter is that it's been reasserted that killing the user of Edo Tensei does not mean that the corpses will be un-summoned.

So, if Kabuto dies, the only real way of killing the corpses is taking their soul, correct?

I get the feeling that, somehow, all the potentially dangerous Edo Tensei summons are going to be un-summoned, Kabuto will die, and the remainder of the Edo Tensei'd people are just good guys who have complete control over themselves.
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Come on, she licked Naruto's blood right off his face. That was pretty interesting back in the day.

Thing about that is, I highly doubt kabuto would die before that happens. It also wouldn't make sense for the already evil summons to be un-summoned. Maybe those will be the ones that were defeated.

I won't be surprised if there is another way to beat the zombies. Maybe, if kabuto dies or losses control, they have the option of fighting on or letting their soul return back to where it came from.

The way I see it, though, I think kabuto will sooner or later, defeat/screw Madara (via new generation surpassing the old). Then Kabuto (or orochimaru in Kabuto) will get the eyes and now the guy is more ridiculous than before.

[jdw]

Thing about that is, I highly doubt kabuto would die before that happens. It also wouldn't make sense for the already evil summons to be un-summoned. Maybe those will be the ones that were defeated.

I won't be surprised if there is another way to beat the zombies. Maybe, if kabuto dies or losses control, they have the option of fighting on or letting their soul return back to where it came from.

The way I see it, though, I think kabuto will sooner or later, defeat/screw Madara (via new generation surpassing the old). Then Kabuto (or orochimaru in Kabuto) will get the eyes and now the guy is more ridiculous than before.

I don't think Kabuto will defeat Madara, though he may play a role. It would take revenge or justice away from Naruto and/or Sasuke.

[toussaintac]

I don't think Kabuto will defeat Madara, though he may play a role. It would take revenge or justice away from Naruto and/or Sasuke.

Ok, I'll take that, but we already know that Kabuto is setting himself up to take over at a critical time.

Kabuto is going to do something. He has Tobi worried. It wouldn't take justice away from Sasuke or Naruto. They want to rid the world of Tobi. If Kabuto intervenes and kills/takes over Tobi, then Tobi gets what's coming to him, but now there's an even bigger threat.

Either way, I doubt they'll be worried about justice. Kabuto is going to take over this war. I just don't know when.

[danzouismadara]

IF tHE Uzumaki clan were still around the edo tensei issue would be no big deal lol the clan could of sealed all of them or released them from kabuto's control

[Raizen]

Omoi's style is similar to hayate moon slice. Aww I miss hayate.
Anyways, I am soo pumped. Can't wait for next chapter. Kankuro is really doing a great job as captain

[Jammin]

What interests me about Anko's apparent death isn't anything to do with my fondness or lack thereof for the character. For me it's more significant as a potential sign of what's to come.

If Anko, who is around the same level of importance as Shizune, can have her death treated as if it's not significant at all. That tells me this war might turn a lot uglier than i expected.

Deidara and Sasori are not the big guns and they don't have any Zetsu clones with them, yet people are already dying. To me that begs the question "What's going to happen when Nagato, Itachi, and Hanzo take the field?". Somebody somewhere is going to end up being forced to fight those monsters and, if Kishi is showing some eagerness to make these fights go ugly, the bodycount on those fights could be enormous.:eek:

[blaise]

At least edotensei is unraveling one chapter at a time. You don't just aim for the soul with edo-tensei, but you can temporarily immobilize the body. A seal like the one danzou used on sasuke should come in handy. I can't think of anyone except madara with a soul stealing technique but out of 80,000-1 ninja there should be a few techs to immoblize the body:)

Did kabuto break anko's neck?? That angle looks impossible.

[Raizen]

Immobilizing the bodies... seals can immobilize the bodies... which clan is the best at sealing? The UZAMAKI clan. Perfect chance for them to get into the war

[zerocooldx]

The danger for the Edo Tensei ninja isn't in their being defeated or killed, but somehow trapped, unable to move or do anything. However, who knows if any of these shinobi possess a trap technique. Then again, we already kinda know that Sai does possess techniques capable of tying up and trapping people, but it wasn't enough against Sasuke, but there was no reason to believe that was his most powerful method of capturing someone.

The thing is though that the Edo Tensei shinobi are already very strong to begin with. So trapping them in itself will undoubtedly be very difficult. Also they seem to be in groups of a few shinobi and working together fairly well. Plus Kabuto can also simply unsummon them, so he may "save" them that way if he wants to. Not to mention that i'm fairly sure that the Edo Tensei summonings can probably rip off their own body parts thus allowing themselves to escape and then simply have their bodies "regenerated" back to normal. So unless someone can immobilize the jutsu of the Edo Tensei summoned shinobi as well as trap their entire body, trapping them is going to be extremely difficult. The best bet is gen-jutsu. But unfortunately, at this point, we know of no real good gen-jutsu users within the Alliance. Sure Ma and Pa could use their gen-jutsu, but they need prep time as well as a lot of protection and both have to use the gen-jutsu simultaneously. So it's not a very practical jutsu to use over and over again in multiple situations. Its kind of ironic how the one clan that could absolutely wreck the Edo Tensei summonings are basically all dead.

[MonsterEnvy]

@Zatono: She is basically Ten Ten with a larger fanbase (on here), lmao.

actully Anko's fan base is large in Japan and everywere else too

she is Kishi favorite girl i bet she is alive and will do something

TenTen is pretty populer too (she got her own episode a little while ago) and is pretty popluer among the ninja in the seires (she is 22nd place and once she does somthing it will rise no doubt)

anyway i'm certain that Anko is alive

[Thabor]

Translation error in the chapter, it would seem. Kankurou said that the dead ninja's souls are binded to corpses. That isn't right. They are binded to still living sacrifices.

The raw spoiler script has this:


データによると魂を縛られ　生き返った死人だ…

The translation is ok.

Edit:
Interestingly the dictionary I'm using lists 魂 as Yang energy / spirit..
I get the feeling soul was adopted as a translation to try an avoid confusing Western audiences. There is a corresponding symbol 魄 for Yin energy / spirit.

[M3J]

This chapter has gotten me even more interested on Omoi's ability to fight. I knew he was at least somewhat good with how he and Karui did well against Sai, Sakura, and Naruto, but by himself... it'd be awesome. Plus, a sword... how freakin' epic is that?!

Kankuro's not doing so bad, but so far Team Anko's kinda fucked. I think they lost one guy as well. Sai had an epic entrance though, and now I wanna see him fight his brother. I wonder where Darui, Kakashi, Gaara/Shikamaru, Mifune, and Kitsuchi's dad will go. Darui's definitely split up. Maybe they'll be the ones to fight the Zetsu with possibly some powerful ET mixed in like Hanzou and Itachi.

[Vladnik]

really i dont see it like Sai vs his brother...i think it will be Omoi vs Sai's brother, he already states something like that...Kankuro vs Sasori and Sai vs Deidara as a battle of two artist that will show which art is better MM

[dr.mohd.arbash]

You know what ;) .. It seems that Kabuto is the key to stop the ET ..

What will happen if that, seemingly, only key get killed before undoing the jutsu!?

I guess this can be called real despair. :yaha


.. I love all naruto drawings since nARuTo is ART. However those are the panels I loved the most in this chapter :
cool illustration (http://www.mangastream.com/read/naruto/96649938/6)
Can't say more than the others said "amazing" (http://www.mangastream.com/read/naruto/96649938/7) <<< plus for some reason I loved the way that Gaara and Darui were communicating "No stopping, No time to talk, Only quick signs" it gives the feeling of rush to the battle with the MAX urgency.
Camp Design was perfect (http://www.mangastream.com/read/naruto/96649938/8)
Shin pose was very cool (http://www.mangastream.com/read/naruto/96649938/10)
Explosion Moment was epic/ Sai Flying,Jungle below him, explosion in the background was 10/10 (http://www.mangastream.com/read/naruto/96649938/12)
Instant neck breaking was Awww moment. (http://www.mangastream.com/read/naruto/96649938/15) ;)

[warriorofvirtue]

This chapter has gotten me even more interested on Omoi's ability to fight. I knew he was at least somewhat good with how he and Karui did well against Sai, Sakura, and Naruto, but by himself... it'd be awesome. Plus, a sword... how freakin' epic is that?!

Kankuro's not doing so bad, but so far Team Anko's kinda fucked. I think they lost one guy as well. Sai had an epic entrance though, and now I wanna see him fight his brother. I wonder where Darui, Kakashi, Gaara/Shikamaru, Mifune, and Kitsuchi's dad will go. Darui's definitely split up. Maybe they'll be the ones to fight the Zetsu with possibly some powerful ET mixed in like Hanzou and Itachi.

Yea i wouldn't mind omui having a little more screen time. He's an interesting character and relatable. He's learning and telling us what we would probably be thinking in the same situation.

[raptor02_2001]

i think longest arc is begin ... this war will change landscape and nation.... what happen to five kage village will became one nation or what after war...

[DEATHBOTT]

i think sai should die. i never really cared for him and he isnt an original rookie. and here is the perfect place for him to die with his brother. omoi and kankuro dieing would have very little effect on most main characters but sai's would.

[SenninSage]

The thing is though that the Edo Tensei shinobi are already very strong to begin with. So trapping them in itself will undoubtedly be very difficult. Also they seem to be in groups of a few shinobi and working together fairly well. Plus Kabuto can also simply unsummon them, so he may "save" them that way if he wants to. Not to mention that i'm fairly sure that the Edo Tensei summonings can probably rip off their own body parts thus allowing themselves to escape and then simply have their bodies "regenerated" back to normal. So unless someone can immobilize the jutsu of the Edo Tensei summoned shinobi as well as trap their entire body, trapping them is going to be extremely difficult. The best bet is gen-jutsu. But unfortunately, at this point, we know of no real good gen-jutsu users within the Alliance. Sure Ma and Pa could use their gen-jutsu, but they need prep time as well as a lot of protection and both have to use the gen-jutsu simultaneously. So it's not a very practical jutsu to use over and over again in multiple situations. Its kind of ironic how the one clan that could absolutely wreck the Edo Tensei summonings are basically all dead.

It'd be cool if some of them were to show up during this war. Naruto is the only remaining representative of that clan that we know of. Hopefully he has some nice things up his sleeves.

Naruto should have access to some barrier toads, like this technique Jiraiya used against Pain. Barriers should be an effective means of trapping the Edo Tensei ninja as well.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Barrier:_Toad_Gourd_Prison

Remember, also, that barrier technique the Sound Four used for the Orochimaru vs Third Hokage fight? That was very, very powerful, apparently strong enough to trap Orochimaru and the Third Hokage. This Alliance represents the most powerful shinobi villages from all the major countries. It would be disappointing if they didn't possess many potential means for trapping a high caliber ninja. Yes, they're immortal and are impervious to any type of injury, but their ability to get trapped or have their movements halted is no different than when they were alive.

There should be quite a few Akatsuki level shinobi in the Alliance. There will certainly be quite a few ninja who have a way of trapping Edo Tensei ninjas. Kurotsuchi is one who definitely has of a way of doing it with her kekkei genkai. But who her opponent/opponents are will be key, surely. Shikamaru and his father's techniques can trap them as well, surely.

However, I get the feeling we're going to see some awesome from Shikamaru's father in this war. Hmm, I just thought of something. What exactly would happen if Ino used her technique on an Edo Tensei ninja?

Would she, too, become immortal, or would it somehow cause the Edo Tensei ninja to be capable of being killed normally? Can you guys see Ino taking over the body of an Edo Tensei ninja, then asking an Alliance member to kill her? That'd be a very badass way for one of the rookies to go out, actually. Imagine if that worked, and was truly a way to make an Edo Tensei ninja killable?

[xAznSinnage]

Immobilizing the bodies... seals can immobilize the bodies... which clan is the best at sealing? The UZAMAKI clan. Perfect chance for them to get into the war

They're dead, and the remaining ~5 are scattered across the globe. That's Naruto, Nagato, and any suspicious red haired person.

[CBlitz]

this war is off to a really good start. It actually feels like one and even if this chapter focused on fodder, it was still pretty damn entertaining. That spread of Sai kicking his brother in the back of the head was awesome. Sasori controlling that Aburame clan ninja to suicide bomb the platoon was pretty smart. So far everything has been gritty and visceral just like how a real war should feel like

[SenninSage]

really i dont see it like Sai vs his brother...i think it will be Omoi vs Sai's brother, he already states something like that...Kankuro vs Sasori and Sai vs Deidara as a battle of two artist that will show which art is better MM

I don't believe Sai will stand by and not get involved against his brother. Either way, we're going to find out what Danzou meant when he called Sai the strongest shinobi of his generation inside Konoha. Likely not entirely true, but it's at least proof that Sai is a monster among young ninja inside Konoha.

He has also never failed in a mission to kill a target, until he decided to change his mind regarding Sasuke.


http://img2.mangaday.com/mangas/naruto/00000305/11.jpg

http://img2.mangaday.com/mangas/naruto/00000305/14.jpg

Sai has seemingly killed many shinobi, he's the real deal. He apparently killed a mist shinobi and a hidden rock shinobi on the missoins he has been sent on as well.

He's also killed a mist Jounin that was deemed as capable of causing trouble for Konoha.

[The Closet Pervert]

YES! I love this chapter..

..but I do wonder. Remember THIS?
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-499/page015.html
That is Naruto using a sealing technique..by himself. Now Uzumakis are said to be sealing experts, right? That would TOTALLY be useful for defeating Edo Tensei and Naruto having sealing techniques could be the key to defeating Madara once and for all.

I highly doubt the genjutsu plan will work, it would be totally kickass if Edos like Nagato and Itachi were tearing through alliance ranks, with fodder going "We have to hold on until Naruto gets here" - things like will make Naruto a war hero, or so at least I wish.

As you can imagine, exited ^^

[CBlitz]

hmmm but I wonder if that counts? After all its a tech to seal Bijuus, I don't see how it would be effective against Edo Tensei'd zombies. I guess someone will have to use the Death God sealing method again to beat em

[xAznSinnage]

All they can do is hope for his arrival. The war leaders are too ignorant to realize the mistake they've made. Well, they'll realize soon enough when Naruto breaks out and starts coming across pools of blood in the forest.

EDIT: Naruto's sealing method is even more effective than the Shiki Fuujin. His jutsu seals stuff inside of him, without dying. Which doesn't seem to be a problem, cause he managed to cage a huge beast. The sealing inscription visible on his torso is ready at all times for use.

[The Closet Pervert]

hmmm but I wonder if that counts? After all its a tech to seal Bijuus, I don't see how it would be effective against Edo Tensei'd zombies. I guess someone will have to use the Death God sealing method again to beat em

Immobilizing the Edo tensei is enough. While it WOULD be fun to see Naruto use Death God method and survive, I bet there are seals that can immobilize things well enough for it to count.

You know, Gaara can bury people under earth etc.

[dr.mohd.arbash]

Hmmm, I feel curious about Darui tattoo.. Can anyone translate what is written on his shoulder, plz?
http://www.mangastream.com/read/naruto/96649938/7

[SenninSage]

Hmmm, I feel curious about Darui tattoo.. Can anyone translate what is written on his shoulder, plz?
http://www.mangastream.com/read/naruto/96649938/7

Haha, it's one of two elements for his kekkei genkai, the storm element. He has one element tattoed on each shoulder.

Water on one, Lighting on the other.

[PoopNScoop]

The thing is though that the Edo Tensei shinobi are already very strong to begin with. So trapping them in itself will undoubtedly be very difficult. Also they seem to be in groups of a few shinobi and working together fairly well. Plus Kabuto can also simply unsummon them, so he may "save" them that way if he wants to. Not to mention that i'm fairly sure that the Edo Tensei summonings can probably rip off their own body parts thus allowing themselves to escape and then simply have their bodies "regenerated" back to normal. So unless someone can immobilize the jutsu of the Edo Tensei summoned shinobi as well as trap their entire body, trapping them is going to be extremely difficult. The best bet is gen-jutsu. But unfortunately, at this point, we know of no real good gen-jutsu users within the Alliance. Sure Ma and Pa could use their gen-jutsu, but they need prep time as well as a lot of protection and both have to use the gen-jutsu simultaneously. So it's not a very practical jutsu to use over and over again in multiple situations.<B> Its kind of ironic how the one clan that could absolutely wreck the Edo Tensei summonings are basically all dead</B>.

That isn't ironic. The absence of that clan is planned and I think the effect on the outcome of this war is rather large. I am not saying Madara anticipated the use of Edo Tensei or that the Uchiha would give Edo Tensei trouble, but I am saying that he anticipated the Uchiha would make winning the war much harder. The Uzumaki are also just about all gone and the Senju seem like they are on their way out as well.

[SenninSage]

And, upon further taking a good look at that seal, it wasn't just those many objects that descended on the Kyuubi that trapped and pinned his entire body down, a special chakra shield or barrier also surrounded the Kyuubi, as well.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-499/page015.html

What's with the more darkened color that obviously wasn't there before? It appears to be some sort of special barrier that quickly plunges the target into darkness. Whatever the case, the jutsu looks tailor made annihilating Edo Tensei big-time.

[Toby_Temple]

wow! JUST WOW! :wtf

if Naruto and Killerbee don't join soon then this war is going to be a massacre of the Shinobi alliance! :eek

[xXan]

This chapter was awsome and showes how much the alliance is going to need Naruto. This war is going to be like Star Wars episode 4 A New Hope. Naruto is probably going to show up and save the world when all hope is lost.