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ghostexiled
November 14, 2010, 06:10 AM
This thread is for all to discuss everything related to the newest Dark Guild... Grimoire Heart.

Please try and use this thread to discuss this and anything related to the matter, rather than the chapter discussion thread... that is until an actual chapter addresses these things.

Aloysius
November 14, 2010, 06:29 AM
Zancrow vs Erza & Luvia (Luvia win after Erza is beaten, water being fire natural enemy)
Ultear vs Grey & Loki (don't know if Grey win, but Ultear may start to doubt about her bad ways...)
Caprico vs Lucy & Cana
Mirajane and Lisana vs Hikaru (or Meldy)
Makarov vs Hades
Natsu vs Meldy (or Hikaru)
Elfman & Evergreen vs Rustyrose

Then, you have Mest (ab)using Wendy vs Zeref who try to not kill anybody, plus Charles and Panther Lily going to kick some GH ass.

Razh
November 14, 2010, 05:47 PM
Zancrow vs Erza & Luvia

That guy was basically made to fight with Natsu. It would be a travesty to let him fight anyone else.

Fire vs. fire, that's awesome. Although I think that guy uses magma. His fire seemed more dense and he mentioned wanting to turn people to ashes.
Another possibility is that he has fire dragon lacryma, if that's even possible, but I'm leaning more to lava.

kkck
November 14, 2010, 06:31 PM
Pseudo natsu's fire didn't look thick or liquid enough to be magma. I lean towards him having fire dragon lachrima. If I recall, natsu's own power is seriously influenced by his emotions and can be altered. Eating other kinds of fire can also result in natsu's power changing in appearance(as seen with ethereon). Maybe because this new guy is a raving insane lunatic who seems by all intents and purposes outright evil his fire takes on a more much violent and mean looking appearance. Along with that the guy could be feeding of some evil fire provided by GH.

Dark God Zeus
November 14, 2010, 10:43 PM
Maybe something like "hellfire", equivalent to amaterasu or hiei's dragon of the darkness flame (albeit less powerful?).

We don't know enough about their abilities yet. Although Ultear is probably meant to fight Grey, clearly Caprico is the capricorn zodiac key (thus Lucy), and zankrow will fight natsu.

Aloysius
November 15, 2010, 02:11 AM
That guy was basically made to fight with Natsu. It would be a travesty to let him fight anyone else.


I would find that boring myself. Two characters using similar techniques against each other is less interesting than two characters using widely different combat styles. That, and the fact that we have never seen "natural enemy" fight situations, as were shown in One Piece or Naruto.

MechR
November 15, 2010, 05:42 AM
I would find that boring myself. Two characters using similar techniques against each other is less interesting than two characters using widely different combat styles.I think there's some nuance to this. Natsu and Totomaru were both fire mages, but their fight was still fun due to their different styles, and Natsu trying a bunch of stuff to break the stalemate.


That, and the fact that we have never seen "natural enemy" fight situations, as were shown in One Piece or Naruto.I think people expected Juvia's water form to be Erza's natural enemy, but Erza was still able to smack her around with shockwaves (or something).

Razh
November 15, 2010, 06:06 AM
I would find that boring myself. Two characters using similar techniques against each other is less interesting than two characters using widely different combat styles. That, and the fact that we have never seen "natural enemy" fight situations, as were shown in One Piece or Naruto.

Maybe I should have been more clear with what I meant. It's not about powers, it's about personalities. I'd just love to see Natsu fighting another impulsive, hot headed, crazy mage. Something like Natsu vs. Gazille or Kenpachi vs. Nnoitra in Bleach.

swordsaintscoot
November 15, 2010, 07:23 AM
Has anybody noticed that a few of the Grimoire Heart mages either have relations to characters from Fairy Tail, or have a similar appearance?

ca12nag3
November 15, 2010, 10:56 AM
Similar appearance? hmm i didnt see anything like that. Tho the Caprico dude could be a spirit on the bad side.

Evil3ye
November 15, 2010, 11:29 AM
Zancrow vs Erza & Luvia (Luvia win after Erza is beaten, water being fire natural enemy)
Caprico vs Lucy & Cana
I second that.

I'm pretty sure either Lucy or Loki will fight against Caprico, who obviously is an other zodiac spirit.

Luvia vs the fire dude could be awesome as well.

kkck
November 15, 2010, 11:48 AM
Under the assumption that that guy is a variation or fake fire dragon slayer, I kinda have my doubts about jubia being so effective against him. I know it is remarkably easy to say fire>water but I don't think it would be that simple. If it really is a fake dragon slayer of sorts then the fire which he would be using is not by any means normal. I wouldn't find it strange if this guy could actually burn water (it has been mentioned dragon elements are by no means normal) or at least have a high enough temperature to evaporate the water (which adds up to the same).

swordsaintscoot
November 15, 2010, 12:51 PM
I'm fairly sure they've frozen fire before.

No reason why fire couldn't boil water.

hongoasdf
November 17, 2010, 08:31 PM
I think Urtear will face Erza before even meeting Gray. There's too much Gerard left unresolved, and those two were the closest to him.

And besides, Urtear being Ur's daughter is known by no-one except Gerard, as far as we know. Let alone Gray. There's no point in him facing her as of now. Perhaps after her encounter with Erza her identity will finally be revealed to the cast.

About Zancrow I couldn't care less. He's basically Natsu 2.0 - And we've seen Natsu fight countless times already.

Igtenes
November 17, 2010, 10:58 PM
I'm just sad that it looks like Gajeel won't be fighting any of the main squad members, since he seems pretty beat-up.
Natsu and Happy(pff yeah right) vs Zancrow
Lucy and Cana vs Caprico
Gray and Loke vs Urtear
Elfman and Evergreen vs Hikaru
Mirajane and Lisanna vs Meldy
Makarov vs Hades
I think that Erza and Juvia will face Mest first, it's not known if he's from GH.

Razh
November 18, 2010, 07:38 PM
I'm just sad that it looks like Gajeel won't be fighting any of the main squad members, since he seems pretty beat-up.


That means nothing in Fairy Tail. Some of the stuff that Natsu, Erza, Grey and Gazille himself have endured and still kept fighting... and fucking won, is impossible, in real life. Not here.

Even so, he's not really that beat up. The damage those guys did can hardly compare to the beating Natsu gave him in the early battle, the damage Luxus did, or the damage Panther then King Faust did to him.

I can't imagine a character like Gazille being stopped by those 2 nobodies. Even if he gets more hurt, there's still Wendy and Levy.

kkck
November 18, 2010, 08:10 PM
Give gazille enough iron and he will be back and powered up in two minutes. With levi around he has a constant source of that. Wendy would be overkill in the healing department for a DS with enough of his element.

swordsaintscoot
November 18, 2010, 08:26 PM
Wendy is probably like the most powerful Dragon Slayer if she knew how to fight as much as Natsu and Gazille. Constant source of air ftw?

Aloysius
November 19, 2010, 03:00 PM
Wendy is probably like the most powerful Dragon Slayer if she knew how to fight as much as Natsu and Gazille. Constant source of air ftw?

It's harder for her to get energy from that. BTW, she is the Sky dragon : she eats the sky, not the air (more precisely, she eats the sky through eating air...). Her food has a low energy density level (compared to Iron or Fire), and she needs a lot of time to gain a significant amount of power. This is why, even if she become as battle ready as Natsu and Gajeel, she won't be able to keep the same fast fight tempo.

hongoasdf
November 19, 2010, 07:26 PM
It's harder for her to get energy from that. BTW, she is the Sky dragon : she eats the sky, not the air (more precisely, she eats the sky through eating air...). Her food has a low energy density level (compared to Iron or Fire), and she needs a lot of time to gain a significant amount of power. This is why, even if she become as battle ready as Natsu and Gajeel, she won't be able to keep the same fast fight tempo.

Source?

All we know about Wendy's magic is that the more polluted the air is, the less power she has. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v18/c144/

Things like density, power, time she needs to gain a significant amount of powe, or if she simply eats air or something else ("sky", as you put it) have not been addressed. For all we know, she could become the most powerful Dragonslayer.

I'd rather doubt it, though. It's not exactly common to see a character with support main abilities in a mainstream fighting shounen. And that role fits Wendy quite well. Her magic is pretty useful, too - I don't think many things could stand against a Vernier-ed and Arms-ed Erza. I wonder if she has support spells to aid mages who don't specialize in direct combat, though...

swordsaintscoot
November 19, 2010, 08:13 PM
Wendy doesn't specialise in attack magic, but Natsu keeps showing her ways to use her magic in ways to attack, like the elemental breathe attacks. Just because that's not what Grandine taught her, doesn't mean it's not possible for her to do it.

It's not uncommon for the main character to 'technically' not be the strongest at some stage. DBZ was raising Gohan up to be the strongest, despite not being the 'main' character. Arguably the only reason he wasn't was because he chose to not fight, and not train. The only reason I brought this up was to show you not all mangas/shounen require the main character to be the strongest.

I just think it'd be interesting if it works like this, she will never technically be the strongest, but for her to be stronger than what natsu or Gazille was at any given age.

kkck
November 19, 2010, 09:35 PM
Wendy has as much fighting potential as natsu or gazille IMO. She already showed she had DS attacks when she fought against the doruma anima. Her magic simply has a greater scope than either natsu or gazille. If she actually focused on fighting I don't see any reason for which she would not catch up in time (obviously many years considering she is 10 or something).

Aloysius
November 20, 2010, 07:15 AM
Source?


Oracion seis arc. When Girard talk to her ("eat the sky, the heaven"), and then when she is accumulating energy before destroying nirvana.
http://www.mangareader.net/135-39430-15/fairy-tail/chapter-159.html

http://www.mangareader.net/135-40111-13/fairy-tail/chapter-160.html

Razh
November 20, 2010, 07:30 AM
It's harder for her to get energy from that. BTW, she is the Sky dragon : she eats the sky, not the air (more precisely, she eats the sky through eating air...). Her food has a low energy density level (compared to Iron or Fire), and she needs a lot of time to gain a significant amount of power. This is why, even if she become as battle ready as Natsu and Gajeel, she won't be able to keep the same fast fight tempo.


Oracion seis arc. When Girard talk to her ("eat the sky, the heaven"), and then when she is accumulating energy before destroying nirvana.
http://www.mangareader.net/135-39430-15/fairy-tail/chapter-159.html

http://www.mangareader.net/135-40111-13/fairy-tail/chapter-160.html

Gerard is speaking in metaphors. Sky can't be eaten, even though she's a sky dragon. So she feeds with air and that's it. Also, none of your links say anything about her needing longer time to feed on account of air having lower density level than fire or iron. Yes, she needed some time to absorb some air (how long did that last, i only saw one panel) but the was already exhausted by using sky magic. Also, she's evidently younger than Natsu and Gazille so she may not be effective as them yet.

Aloysius
November 20, 2010, 08:00 AM
Ok, I will let you monologue as much as you want.
Fact is that Natsu or Gajil can eat fire or iron in an instant and be "buffed" nearly immediately, while Wendy obviously needed a lot more time.

Razh
November 20, 2010, 11:07 AM
Ok, I will let you monologue as much as you want.
Fact is that Natsu or Gajil can eat fire or iron in an instant and be "buffed" nearly immediately, while Wendy obviously needed a lot more time.

Sure, like the entire whole panel of time. She probably did need a lot of time to charge up her sky breath but that doesn't show that she needs to eat more air than Natsu/Gazille need to eat fire/iron. No, it's not a fact. If she had said it in the manga herself, it would be a fact. This way, it can be subjected to interpretation. I say she's younger and therefore less experienced with her magic. Especially when it comes to offensive magic. By all accounts, that could have easily been her first time using dragon breath, since she didn't know how she would destroy the orb.

Since your post was edited, I can only imagine what you wrote before. No use being offended of someone having a different opinion than you.

swordsaintscoot
November 20, 2010, 11:48 AM
Grandine only really taught her support and defense magic. Natsu showed her how to use dragon breathe.

Ero-Sanji
November 21, 2010, 02:38 PM
So, one of the "Kins" is going to be the center of the next chapter. I guess it's between the Speech bubble guy as a completely new character or it will be reveled that Mest is the 7th member. I actually hope that Mest is his own party since that would bring a new and more interesting flavor to the feast.

I've also done some research into the Purgatory realm and it doesn't seem like this is what Mashima has in mind.

Lust - Walk through fire. Fire-related then.
Zancrow is most definitely the one to stand for this "punishment" or should I say purging? The one to face him would obviously be the lustful Lluvia. The long awaited fight could be close, which is superior fire or water?

Gluttony - Force-fed with snakes, toads etc(?) or starved. Food related...?
I have no idea to whom this power applies... I wild guess would be the goofiest which is Kain(?). Does Fairy tail have a gluttonous character? Maybe it will be Natsu.

Greed - Forced to lay down to face the earth. Gravity or earth powers.
Gravity is a strong power and should fit perfectly on the (to the appearance) prodigious Meldy. Her wings could indicate on her abilty to fly, with the help of her powers. Greed, Cana?

Sloth - Ceaseless activity. Perhaps this is time?
If it is time then it's obviously Ultears dominion. Her opponent would be someone lazy.

Wrath - Forced to walk in acrid smoke. So, smoke related powers?
If I had to choose between Rusty and Mest of which one to have the smoke power I would go for Rusty. He also seems calm and collected as the opposite of anger.

Envy - Eyes sewn shut. Darkness? Illusions?
Mest master of disguise, I think.

Pride - Forced to carry large stones. Earthly powers.
Capricos power. The Capricorn is an earthly zodiac sign and in swedish the Capricorn is called "Sten(stone)-bock(male-goat)". The natural habitat for the animal is also in mountains, Kinda like how Scorpio fires sandbeams. Of course he will face of against the proud lion.

Sigh! Now I have got that out of my chest but as you can see I find it hard to believe that this is the way Mashima thought of but it would be great if he did managed to cook something up from this.

Zeltrax
November 21, 2010, 07:28 PM
So, one of the "Kins" is going to be the center of the next chapter. I guess it's between the Speech bubble guy as a completely new character or it will be reveled that Mest is the 7th member. I actually hope that Mest is his own party since that would bring a new and more interesting flavor to the feast.

I've also done some research into the Purgatory realm and it doesn't seem like this is what Mashima has in mind.

Lust - Walk through fire. Fire-related then.
Zancrow is most definitely the one to stand for this "punishment" or should I say purging? The one to face him would obviously be the lustful Lluvia. The long awaited fight could be close, which is superior fire or water?

Gluttony - Force-fed with snakes, toads etc(?) or starved. Food related...?
I have no idea to whom this power applies... I wild guess would be the goofiest which is Kain(?). Does Fairy tail have a gluttonous character? Maybe it will be Natsu.

Greed - Forced to lay down to face the earth. Gravity or earth powers.
Gravity is a strong power and should fit perfectly on the (to the appearance) prodigious Meldy. Her wings could indicate on her abilty to fly, with the help of her powers. Greed, Cana?

Sloth - Ceaseless activity. Perhaps this is time?
If it is time then it's obviously Ultears dominion. Her opponent would be someone lazy.

Wrath - Forced to walk in acrid smoke. So, smoke related powers?
If I had to choose between Rusty and Mest of which one to have the smoke power I would go for Rusty. He also seems calm and collected as the opposite of anger.

Envy - Eyes sewn shut. Darkness? Illusions?
Mest master of disguise, I think.

Pride - Forced to carry large stones. Earthly powers.
Capricos power. The Capricorn is an earthly zodiac sign and in swedish the Capricorn is called "Sten(stone)-bock(male-goat)". The natural habitat for the animal is also in mountains, Kinda like how Scorpio fires sandbeams. Of course he will face of against the proud lion.

Sigh! Now I have got that out of my chest but as you can see I find it hard to believe that this is the way Mashima thought of but it would be great if he did managed to cook something up from this.

Since it has come to this, let me state mine too.
I believe that the 7 kins are not referenced after punishment but more like the sin itself.
Just like Full Metal Alchemist, where Homuculous are greedy, envious, full of pride, etc.
If you look at it that way,

Lust- Zancrow or Urtear. Urtear for obvious reason :darn..
Zancrow, lust for blood, lust for fight or something like that? I know lust is something used for sexual needs or something..but apparently there are people who have the lust for other things.
Zancrow looks like an insane killer who wants blood and will probably enjoy fighting or something.
For Urtear on fairy wiki, "This could connote that Ultear is based of the sin Lust as in the bible many females associated with lust are masters of deception" . I agree, she's manipulative O_O so.. one of them is lustful.

Gluttony- The fat guy..for obvious reason.

Greed- The guy with glasses
Guy with glasses seem like a high class society guy who wants everything.
He dress materialistically..
ha, what the hell am I talking about. Okay, he looks greedy, at least thats what I think.

Envy- Caprico.
Envious of other people with masters?
He's one of the spirit right? So something must have happened to him to be without a master. Maybe he is envious of all the key holders and spirits with master? That may have made him into what he is today.
Too far fetched but still possible.

Sloth- the 7th guy
Like I said, the 7th guy is sleeping/inactive and is freaking strong when he wants to fight or when he awakens.
I think the 7th guy is too lazy to give a damn at this point. I still stick to my theory that he is NOT mest.

Pride- Meldy or guy with glasses.
I was guessing, Zancrow too. But he looked more like the freaking insane stupid kind than the pride kind.
Guy with glasses, like I said, he look like a noble and very Loki kind of guy.
We all know that Leo has a lot of pride in them and so if he's fighting Loki, I think he's full of pride or something.
Seems stupid but well, still possible.

Meldy because she has no emotions whatsoever and is an android.
When you are proud/full of pride, you rarely let your emotions show.
Apparently, meldy might be full of pride because she's one of the greatest creation in the world.
Or it may be just due to the fact that she has no emotion.

Wrath- Zancrow.
He looks like the mad kind, like I said, the chances of him being wrath is higher.


Whew, I'm done and wtf at all that i've typed.
I may be thinking too much, this is fairy tail afterall.

Maybe Zancrow is the fake dragon fire slayer and will own Natsu and kick his ass the second time he is on the island, first my gildart.

ghostexiled
November 21, 2010, 11:16 PM
Let's try and get this thread back on track and talk about match ups... rather than what characters are capable of doing.
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I have edited this thread so that it may know be a place to discuss everything Grimoire Heart related.

swordsaintscoot
November 22, 2010, 12:06 AM
Am I the only one that finds it funny that Erza has purgatory armour?

Evil3ye
November 22, 2010, 05:17 AM
what so funny bout that. I can't see anything funny, since 'Seven Kin of Purgatory' is just the name of the special squad in Grimoire Heart. Such as 'Element Four' in Phantom Lord.

It's not like Erza is immune to them all because of that :d

Razh
November 22, 2010, 06:04 AM
I don't think Mashima would want to bother himself with creating specific sin punishment powers for 7 kin, then putting them against FT members who deserve a corresponding punishment.

I don't think their powers will go above closely resembling those purgatory tortures. I'd theorize what they could be and who would have them but Ero-Sanji already did it nicely in this post. (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2179272#post2179272)

Went ahead and copied Ero-Sanji's post into this thread... for quicker reference. It is a few posts above this. ~Ghost

Bhoot
November 22, 2010, 08:43 AM
uhm like someone said , most of these guyz sooo much like the FT guild ppl [i mean the DS look alike ones]

Anyways ,

I really think Gray will face the Natsu look-alike and end up saying ur either weaker than Natsu / stronger or whatever to either show they were too hyped or to show that FT has a rival wjich has members stronger than its . Maybe even start a Lycharim v/s old style DS war just to show how old is gold or maybe the real DS with react to them in some how absorb them to regain their old memories [coz they r suppose to be super old] (I think that Lycharym have the powers of the old DS copied in them who either died / lost age , so lych to lych powers [as in power rating] may differ)

And maybe Zeref has time magic somehow manipulated to affect living ppl .

Another thing , if Gilly isnt there , it means that either he was just too strong to meet them [plot hole] or he is to become really stronger / suicide save 'em . Anyways , if its the first , Marakov should be able to take 'em on so either their lead is very strong or maybe they have some plan to trap the midget [like drain him in previous arc]. Right now i think , Natsu will find out something about his destiny

P.S i think Zeref will just be used as a power source for some sh1t [as maybe he was done on the past] or maybe he just suffers from multiple personality disorder [which is getting way tooo old now]

Razh
November 22, 2010, 08:53 AM
I believe using Zeref for own goals or power ups will backfire on anyone who tries it. Mush like trying to use Gerard backfired on Oracion Seis, only it's not Gerard but the scariest mage who has ever lived.

swordsaintscoot
November 22, 2010, 01:22 PM
So far Gerard is scarier than Zeref.

Soz.

@evileye - I think it's funny because it shows it's not the first time Mashima has thought about purgatory. Erza planned to use it to 'punish' Ikaruga. I think the fact Mashima has thought about purgatory punishment before shows the likelyhood the 7 kin of purgatory WILL be about the sins.

kkck
November 22, 2010, 01:40 PM
I think the whole sin/purgatory thing should go like this:

Urtear:Lust
Zancrow:Wrath(easy enough)
Caprico: Pride
Rustyrose: Envious
Kain Hikaru: Gluttony(too easy)
Meredy:Sloth (?)
7th dude: Avarice

Razh
November 22, 2010, 02:41 PM
I think the whole sin/purgatory thing should go like this:

Urtear:Lust
Zancrow:Wrath(easy enough)
Caprico: Pride
Rustyrose: Envious
Kain Hikaru: Gluttony(too easy)
Meredy:Sloth (?)
text bubble dude: Avarice

Fixed :p

I think they'll only have purgatory punishment inspired powers. Them representing sins would be a stretch. Kind of too convenient if you ask me. You know, like that Hades guy was searching specifically for mages that would fit the roles of the sins. Well, I wouldn't like it, anyway.

swordsaintscoot
November 22, 2010, 02:59 PM
Hades, king of the underworld conveniently having a group of 7 powerful mages representing the tortures of sin.

Seems ok to me.

Igtenes
November 22, 2010, 03:06 PM
I think Ultear is going to be pride, since it is considered to be the most serious of the seven sins and the root of the others. Her position as Hades's right hand girl makes me think that she is the strongest of the 7 mages, so she should represent the worst sin.

Evil3ye
November 22, 2010, 05:26 PM
Well, if it really is going to end up in the seven sins, then I would put it like that;

Urtear: Greed/Envy
Zancrow: Wrath/Gluttony
Caprico: Pride/Wrath
Rustyrose: Lust/Pride
Kain Hikaru: Gluttony/Sloth
Meredy: Sloth/Envy
text bubble dude: whatever stays over

kkck
November 22, 2010, 07:29 PM
I was thinking, if mest turns out to be related to the remaining guy, wouldn't he be a perfect greed? He was seen trying to find out what different things feel or are like so I would think that taken to the extreme would be a form of greed.

elitefox
November 22, 2010, 09:47 PM
I think Urtear will face Erza before even meeting Gray. There's too much Gerard left unresolved, and those two were the closest to him.

And besides, Urtear being Ur's daughter is known by no-one except Gerard, as far as we know. Let alone Gray. There's no point in him facing her as of now. Perhaps after her encounter with Erza her identity will finally be revealed to the cast.

About Zancrow I couldn't care less. He's basically Natsu 2.0 - And we've seen Natsu fight countless times already.


Except if Gray kinda recognizes the Ur features from Urtear :D

anyways, looking for urtear fight, I really can't comprehend how she can fight with that kind of magic, she can make items old/new so?
[hr]

Source?

All we know about Wendy's magic is that the more polluted the air is, the less power she has. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v18/c144/

Things like density, power, time she needs to gain a significant amount of powe, or if she simply eats air or something else ("sky", as you put it) have not been addressed. For all we know, she could become the most powerful Dragonslayer.

I'd rather doubt it, though. It's not exactly common to see a character with support main abilities in a mainstream fighting shounen. And that role fits Wendy quite well. Her magic is pretty useful, too - I don't think many things could stand against a Vernier-ed and Arms-ed Erza. I wonder if she has support spells to aid mages who don't specialize in direct combat, though...


It was said that she needs a high quality source of Air to gain more power, mostly maybe from the sky, she can gain more but with the level/quality of air on land... it might really be impossible for her to fight her strongest unless she can fly and get some sky air/ may oxygen tank :o
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Wendy doesn't specialise in attack magic, but Natsu keeps showing her ways to use her magic in ways to attack, like the elemental breathe attacks. Just because that's not what Grandine taught her, doesn't mean it's not possible for her to do it.

It's not uncommon for the main character to 'technically' not be the strongest at some stage. DBZ was raising Gohan up to be the strongest, despite not being the 'main' character. Arguably the only reason he wasn't was because he chose to not fight, and not train. The only reason I brought this up was to show you not all mangas/shounen require the main character to be the strongest.

I just think it'd be interesting if it works like this, she will never technically be the strongest, but for her to be stronger than what natsu or Gazille was at any given age.


Are they not of the same age? :tem
She is a bit of shrunk but they are suppose to be of the same age right?

swordsaintscoot
November 22, 2010, 09:53 PM
Wendy is 12.

Does Natsu or Gazille look 12 to you?

Urtear can manipulate the time of an item. So yes, she can fix things by reversing time of said item, (she can't do it to people though) but think of what she could do with a simple rock. She throws it at you, fastforwards the rock, it reaches insane speeds and it pierces your body. You die.

She can also 'stop' items. So magic like Erza's is at a loss. She could very easily reverse time on her armours and swords, rendering them useless.

Razh
November 23, 2010, 06:11 AM
We've already seen what Urtear can do, when she fought Natsu. And she was holding back. Whoever fights her is going to have a tough time.

kkck
November 23, 2010, 09:21 AM
I think natsu has grown considerably stronger since the last time he fought ultear though. Of course anyone fighting her will have a rough time but at least grey or natsu should not be grossly outclassed by her specially if her magic is limited to what we already saw.

swordsaintscoot
November 23, 2010, 01:52 PM
It's not.

She used a third of her power when she fought Natsu before. Has he tripled his strength? How much stronger has she gotten? Important questions.

Kuzumikun
November 25, 2010, 02:05 AM
i still want to see more out of levy! D: i see her and gajeel fighting the fat dude or the rose dude D: or meldy

xela
November 25, 2010, 08:37 AM
I think natsu has grown considerably stronger since the last time he fought ultear though. Of course anyone fighting her will have a rough time but at least grey or natsu should not be grossly outclassed by her specially if her magic is limited to what we already saw.

She wouldn't be part of the Seven Kin of Purgatory if she was all that now, would she? The two scouts of Grimoire Heart should be enough to show what monsters their main formation could be.

kkck
November 26, 2010, 08:47 AM
She wouldn't be part of the Seven Kin of Purgatory if she was all that now, would she? The two scouts of Grimoire Heart should be enough to show what monsters their main formation could be.

It's always like that however the FT mages somehow end up rising to the challenge. Natsu, grey, erza, lucy(?), mira, gazille and jubia could very well be considered fairy tail's strongest mages and equivalent to the seven kin(there are still several other very strong mages). They did already do quite a bit to defeat the oracion 6 which supported a third of the underworld right?

Razh
November 26, 2010, 01:28 PM
She wouldn't be part of the Seven Kin of Purgatory if she was all that now, would she? The two scouts of Grimoire Heart should be enough to show what monsters their main formation could be.

Those guys were small fries. That bird only had those annoying eggs and the only thing that gave them momentum was that sword magic. It's important to look at circumstances. It's not as easy as - "they hurt Gazille bad, they're really strong." Those 2 were fodder.

But yeah, I agree 7 are probably on a different level.

swordsaintscoot
November 26, 2010, 07:22 PM
Gazille had a disadvantageous matchup against someone who could abuse his sense with script magic and swordplay that could damage Gazille's metal. The chicken guy who was arguably on a similar level to the sword guy because they're teamed together was useless, but he had an advantage with his magic. Remember it was also 2 on 1. The sword guy only damage Gazille heavily (the sword thrusting through the arm) when Gazille was distracted by the chicken's eggs. Even Levi could fend off the chicken for a bit, and disable the swordsman's script with her own, giving less credibility to their strength, and more to their luck.

Neo
November 26, 2010, 08:13 PM
And what about Gildartz? Why is everyone ignoring him on the matchups?

Razh
November 26, 2010, 08:31 PM
And what about Gildartz? Why is everyone ignoring him on the matchups?

Makarov said he went back to Magnolia to sort out guild affairs.

swordsaintscoot
November 26, 2010, 08:31 PM
Don't you think if Gildartz fought it'd be too easy for us?

Zeltrax
November 26, 2010, 08:53 PM
Don't you think if Gildartz fought it'd be too easy for us?

But we haven't saw the 7th kin yet, what if he's on a par with Gildartz?

Or maybe Hades will fight Makarov or Gildartz.

..Or maybe he won't even be coming back.

xela
November 26, 2010, 09:52 PM
And remember: Dark Guilds have no ethics and will do anything to win. Fairy Tail isn't like that so they're at a disadvantage right there. Makarov isn't as strong as he used to be and could (I really think this would happen, but I hope I'm wrong) fall to one of the Seven Kin or Hades himself.

EDIT:

I just realized something.. Ultear could probably incapacitate Gildarts to an extent given his artificial body parts.

MonsterEnvy
November 27, 2010, 04:50 AM
Azuma i tottaly thought that Mest was the 7th member but instead we meet Azuma who is so badass i can't belive it

my bet he is deffently the strongest member of Grimmore heart outside of Hades

ghostexiled
November 27, 2010, 06:05 AM
so with the new panels of each GH member, we can see somewhat, what their abilities are based on their background panels.

Caprico... is a stellar spirit.

Rusty Rose is a mage that can control vegatation? Think Poison Ivy from Batman.

Ultear has the lost magic of Time and I would not rule out some Ice magic.

Meldy is the hardest to figure... due to a blank background. But I will go out on a limb and say she has powers of light and speed. Think the Light DF Admiral from OP.

Zancrow I feel is fire themed but not straight up fire... maybe Lava.

Kain Hikaru is the transformer of the group... meaning he can get larger or be a Beast transformer type like Elfman and sis.

Hades obviously will have Necromancer type powers.

1337 haxor
November 27, 2010, 09:47 AM
Given the back grounds and the whole purgatory thematic I will try to make a short relation of GH members but first I will introduce my thoughts on the guild.

First of all there is the affirmation that the balam alliance guilds have equal strenght (at least on theory) so we can assume that GH can't as a whole be far stronger than OS.

That however doesn't necessarily means that they have mages of equal strenght.

Oracion Seis were brought and raised together from childhood so their strenght was near equaly distributed among it's members exept for Midnight and Zero.

Grimmoire Heart has a totally different structure to begin with and my view is that they are more or less like the Gotei from Bleach.

To be member of the Kin you need to have a bare minimum of power which is far greater than what most members of the guild posesses, it's something akin to captain class from Bleach.

From this head start the levels of power can differ dramatically as in Bleach you have captains from Hitsugaya to Yamamoto.

I would like to place the core of GH, the 7 Kin of the Purgatory, on tiers of power:

Lower Tier:

Zancrow - Wrath

Fake DS of fire he is on Natsu's level, maybe slightly stronger, he will most likely fight the former and give him a hard time before the hero catches up and defeats him.

Kain Hiraku - Glutonny

This guy certainly has guts (loads of it XD), he probably has an impressive ability but looks like the type who will end up being used to show someones power up.

Rusty Rose - Envy

Dude screams Poison Ivy on his face, seems the type who will play out on the feelings of his enemies and looks the type who one would find in California.

Caprico - Greed

Has the mafia look all over him, a rogue stellar spirit who sided with darkness probably seeking to attain something the celestial king denied him. Will end up beaten by Loki. :3

Now comes the upper harcore tier:

Ultear - Lust

Haxor time magic as her title says coupled with transformation spells are just the tip of the iceberg for that chillin evil babe.

UlquiorraMeldy - Sloth

I am calling it now, she is the Dragon Slayer of the light, her valkyrie theme and bitter indiference coupled with a name meaning great lord in welsh points out to something haxor like that. The blank backgroud could indicate no other than pure light and having the light DS working under a Dark Guild is the sort of ironic twist Mashima loves to do.

Azuma - Pride

The powerhouse of the guild, dude can fuse with things and blow others to smithereens from afar dude is the Gildartz of GH.

If you take a good look on the members I placed on the high tier you realize they are the exact athitesis to FT S-Class mages.

With that in mind I brought a chart of possible confrontations:

Ultear vs Erza

The one who can age any object vs the one who can make them appear out of nowhere, not only their abilities counter each other but both are the hard female brass of their guilds.

Meldy vs Mirajane

The master of light who serves darkness vs a demon who serves the light, their confrontation would be iconic to show that light and darkness can be measured by apearance.

Gildartz vs Azuma

NUKES, NUKES AND MORE NUKES!
Let the bodies hit the floor as the powerhouses collide!

Now to the lower tier:

Lluvia + Lisanna vs Rusty Rose

If I am correct about him being envy, he will kick the wound of their respective crushes and push their emotions to the limits. Plant vs water is the sort of confrontation where the latter has to overcome all hell to defeat the former.

Lucy + Cana + Gray + Loke vs Caprico + Minions

This is gonna be a hell of a group fight, Lucy and Loke will take on the main bad guys whilist Cana and Gray deals with his army.
Caprico probably hates something about humans controlling CS and greeds to have power and independence from humans, Lucy and Loke will prove that working as a team is the right way to grow stronger.

Natsu vs Zancrow

Natsu will have to find a way around the strenghts and weakenesses of fire itself to beat someone whose battle rage is even greater than his own.

Elfman and Evergreen vs Kain Hikaru

Talking about odd fights this one promises to be the greatest of all, usually fat people turns out to be physically uber so I can help but think of a Beast Elfman fighting a gigantic sumo fighter.

The above confrontations are not complete, I will leave it open what Fried, Bixlow, Lily, Wendy, Mest and whoever else shows up will do if they show up.

kkck
November 27, 2010, 11:34 AM
I think we might be taking a wrong approach to the whole 7 sin thing which seems to be the theme of the GH guild. First thing is that this is not about the actual sins but rather purgatory. Purgatory is a place of penitence and according to dante's purgatorio the penitence in each depends on the sin committed. in that sense, the sin each GH member represents is likely to be related to the specific penitence of that sin.

urtear: Sloth. She has control over time and the slothful were sent to do ceaseless activity.

meldy:Pride. In purgatorio souls were taught humility. Meldy has shown to be humble in a way.

zancrow:lust. Those who felt lust are forced to walk through a wall of flames. It seems very relevant to zancrow.

azuma: Greed. His ability to merge with his surroundings reminded of the way those with avarice lied down.

Those are the ones I could think off. The remaining members have to represent in some way how people who committed sins of glutony, envy and wrath pay for their sin in purgatory. According to dante's purgatorio the gluttonous are starved in front of things they can't have. The envious have their eyes sewn shut and are forced to listen stories of generosity and wear grey cloaks. The souls of the wrathful walk around in acrid smoke which symbolizes the blinding effect of anger. Not sure how this punishments would apply to the remaining mages.

Perhaps cain's magic allows him to rid you of things which would make him the penitence for gluttony. Caprico could perhaps represent the penitence for wrath and rusty rose the penitence for envy.

hongoasdf
November 27, 2010, 01:17 PM
First of all there is the affirmation that the balam alliance guilds have equal strenght (at least on theory) so we can assume that GH can't as a whole be far stronger than OS.

My memory is a bit fuzzy, so please, by all means, prove me wrong, but I don't recall anyone ever stating the guilds within the Balam Alliance have equal strength.

It was stated by the new council a few chapters ago the Balam Alliance is basically a non-aggression pact between the three guilds. Non-aggression pacts don't have to necessarily be between forces with similar or equal powers. For all we know, OS' take on the deal was, as they were most likely the weakest of the three, providing valuable information. Brain with his Archive magic had abundance of it.

Could be wrong, though, and GH is more or less on the level of OS, but for now, I'd rather mantain hope that GH is a guild that can defeat FT, plothax or not.

-Ken-
November 27, 2010, 07:01 PM
I'm not sure. GH's better had some mage on level of the ten holy mage, althrough Hades most likely will be.

Fairy Tail currently have two mage on level of the ten holy mage; Markarov and Erza. I'm pretty sure Erza is on the level. She managed to beat Midnight, whom beat Gerald, whom is a member of the ten holy mage. I don't think there's any 'plot device', such as Natsu 'etherium' too, so I'll say Erza is well on the level.

I hope that Gildatz doesn't return, he's even stronger than Erza. It'll be overkill, unless GH have an opponent that can make Natsu cry too.

Razh
November 27, 2010, 09:38 PM
I'm not sure. GH's better had some mage on level of the ten holy mage, althrough Hades most likely will be.

Fairy Tail currently have two mage on level of the ten holy mage; Markarov and Erza. I'm pretty sure Erza is on the level. She managed to beat Midnight, whom beat Gerald, whom is a member of the ten holy mage. I don't think there's any 'plot device', such as Natsu 'etherium' too, so I'll say Erza is well on the level.

Makarov and Erza are the 2 mages on the level of holy mage? Gildartz would like to have a word with you.
Gerard wasn't the same as when he fought Natsu when Midnight got him. And I don't think Erza is there just yet. She can't compare with Makarov or Gildartz, who are both more powerful and experienced.
Also, there's Natsu, who's rapidly becoming stronger. He might even be stronger than Erza now, for all we know.

-Ken-
November 27, 2010, 10:02 PM
Don't ignore

I hope that Gildatz doesn't return, he's even stronger than Erza. It'll be overkill, unless GH have an opponent that can make Natsu cry too.

I already stated that Gildatz is stronger than Erza. So, what does Gildatz want word with me on? By currently, I mean Currently on the Island. Reading my entire post should make that clear enough.

We weren't shown Gerald fight with Midnight, saying that he doesn't go full power is nothing more than an opinion. Of course, there's no proof that he go full power either. But I like to think he would fight at full power to try to protect Erza.

kkck
November 27, 2010, 10:21 PM
I think I will mention this again. The grimmoire heart main members are not necessarily based on the actual seven sins. They are the seven kin of "purgatory", in that sense it would make more sense they are based on the punishments you'd receive in purgatory for a specific sin rather than directly on the seven sins.

swordsaintscoot
November 27, 2010, 10:42 PM
I reckon FT will win, but not by pure power in strength. If Fried were to return, it would be easy for Fairy Tail if he had time to set up an adequate amount of runes to trap GH.

Kuzumikun
November 28, 2010, 12:34 AM
wait i think caprico is a stellar spirit
http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/82180230/9
his background is a constellation or stars D: some how the background image is related to their magic but meldy and kain doesnt show anything :\
btw rustyrose reminds me of crimson viper from streetfighter :]

-Ken-
November 28, 2010, 12:42 AM
Who knows? He might already set up runes trap but forget to deactivate it before he left. Fried had at least some unexpected "weakness" after all. I won't be surprised if more turn up.

swordsaintscoot
November 28, 2010, 09:36 AM
Kain Hikaru's appearance is based of off one of Mashima's new assistants. So for whoever said that his creativity was off with that one, you're mean to Mashima's assistants. <3
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wait i think caprico is a stellar spirit
http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/82180230/9
his background is a constellation or stars D: some how the background image is related to their magic but meldy and kain doesnt show anything :\
btw rustyrose reminds me of crimson viper from streetfighter :]

You may notice though, Kain is eating. Something to think about considering he takes up the whole panel anyway...

hongoasdf
November 28, 2010, 12:25 PM
Kain Hikaru's appearance is based of off one of Mashima's new assistants.

Is that so? Well that's a laugh.


I think I will mention this again. The grimmoire heart main members are not necessarily based on the actual seven sins. They are the seven kin of "purgatory", in that sense it would make more sense they are based on the punishments you'd receive in purgatory for a specific sin rather than directly on the seven sins.

Agreed. People are putting to much thought into this "7 sins" thing.

I don't think they'll be based on anything or have any common theme, though. The way I see it, Mashima just picked that name because it sounded cool.

ca12nag3
November 28, 2010, 12:49 PM
I think I will mention this again. The grimmoire heart main members are not necessarily based on the actual seven sins. They are the seven kin of "purgatory", in that sense it would make more sense they are based on the punishments you'd receive in purgatory for a specific sin rather than directly on the seven sins.

Here are the punishments youd receive for each sin

pride -> broken on the wheel
Envy -> Immersed in freezing water
Gluttony -> force fed rats,toads,snakes
Lust -> Smothered in fire,brimstone
Anger -> Dismembered alive
Greed -> Boiled alive in oil
Sloth -> Thrown in a snake pit

So i wouldnt think realy that they are based on the punishment but rather the sin itself since the punishments are awkward at best....and how would you be a mage that breaks people on a wheel for pride for example?

kkck
November 28, 2010, 04:55 PM
Well, there are different versions for the punishments for each sin and even then the members don't have to fit perfectly, there can be some variation. I based my previous post on dante's purgatori and overall it was less awkward.

Ero-Sanji
November 30, 2010, 03:40 PM
Well, there are different versions for the punishments for each sin and even then the members don't have to fit perfectly, there can be some variation. I based my previous post on dante's purgatori and overall it was less awkward.

Otherwise you could check out my entire post about just a few pages before yours:amuse

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65564&page=2

MonsterEnvy
December 04, 2010, 07:40 PM
well we now have a slight idea how strong the 7 kin are with Azuma crushing Lily, Mest, Charile and Wendy with no problems

swordsaintscoot
December 05, 2010, 02:40 AM
Natsu will beat azuma because he can eat the explosions.

kkck
December 05, 2010, 03:16 AM
More importantly the fire from the explosions will heal and power up natsu.

hongoasdf
December 05, 2010, 06:34 PM
Y'know... the most damaging component of an explosion is actually the shockwave, not the fire...

But Mashima seems to disregard that, since Natsu has eaten explosions before. So yeah, I suppose Azuma won't be able to do much, unless he has some other offensive magic. Though if he doesn't, that tree-melding thing would be good for an escape.

kkck
December 05, 2010, 08:01 PM
^I am aware of that bit however I am talking based on what we have seen before.
http://www.mangareader.net/135-55234-9/fairy-tail/chapter-191.html

Natsu has dealt with explosions in that manner before. Unless mashima changes things then we have a decent idea of how things should work to a great extent.

ghostexiled
December 05, 2010, 11:09 PM
You guys need to remember that Azuma seems to have more than just explosions up his sleeve.

He was merged with tree when we first saw him... so who knows what that fully entails.

ca12nag3
December 06, 2010, 07:38 PM
well we see him do 3 totaly different things but acording to the FT world usualy a character is specialized in a typ of magic...so what is his?

I know that like Ultear used transformation magic , and Natsu tried some transformation too with Lisanna in the past but mostly a character seems to stick with 1 typ.

Yet he uses all kinda magic. Fire,Explosion,posession? > tree

Urtear
December 11, 2010, 12:31 PM
I think we might be taking a wrong approach to the whole 7 sin thing which seems to be the theme of the GH guild. First thing is that this is not about the actual sins but rather purgatory. Purgatory is a place of penitence and according to dante's purgatorio the penitence in each depends on the sin committed. in that sense, the sin each GH member represents is likely to be related to the specific penitence of that sin.

urtear: Sloth. She has control over time and the slothful were sent to do ceaseless activity.

meldy:Pride. In purgatorio souls were taught humility. Meldy has shown to be humble in a way.

zancrow:lust. Those who felt lust are forced to walk through a wall of flames. It seems very relevant to zancrow.

azuma: Greed. His ability to merge with his surroundings reminded of the way those with avarice lied down.

Those are the ones I could think off. The remaining members have to represent in some way how people who committed sins of glutony, envy and wrath pay for their sin in purgatory. According to dante's purgatorio the gluttonous are starved in front of things they can't have. The envious have their eyes sewn shut and are forced to listen stories of generosity and wear grey cloaks. The souls of the wrathful walk around in acrid smoke which symbolizes the blinding effect of anger. Not sure how this punishments would apply to the remaining mages.

Perhaps cain's magic allows him to rid you of things which would make him the penitence for gluttony. Caprico could perhaps represent the penitence for wrath and rusty rose the penitence for envy.

hmm i really like that idea because it's a different approach to the 7 sins rather than the stereotypical "group of 7 villains who represent the 7 sins" and mashima is known for being a bit unconventional with his mangas, with that being said i doubt he would use that approach just because using each sin to represent a character seems to be the easier way to do things and because this manga is aimed at the eastern civilization, and the average person probably wouldn't have ever even heard of "dante's inferno" but heres my take on who could represents what sin:

Urtear: Lust, just because she's the lone "woman" in the group (Meldy's a girl) and because she shows nice boobage (i've never seen a male character represent lust before) she could also represent envy, maybe she's envious of her mothers amazing skills as a mage (Ur was considered to be on the level of the 10 great holy mages) and the fact that she probably wont ever get to her level, and thats why she gets repulsed at every mention/comparison to her

Meldy: Sloth, cause none of the other sins seem to apply to her personality quite as well as sloth does

Zancrow: Wrath, just because he fits that sin so nicely and i don't really see him being anything else

Cain: Gluttony, because in his intro picture he's chowing down on four scoops on ice cream. i could also see him being sloth cause of his speech impairment

Capricio: Pride, because maybe he has too much pride to be controlled by a human? maybe thats why he doesn't appear to have a human master, or envy because he's envious of humans being able to live on the earthly plane without a summoner?

RustyRose: Greed, because he seems to be like one of those business-y types who want everything i could also see him being pride cause he's portrayed as somewhat of a vain prettyboy and he somewhat looks like one of those people who think they're gods gift to the earth

Azuma: Pride, because he came to the island alone with little backup, he probably has too much pride in his own abilities and thinks he can take care of FT with his powers alone




Also to anyone hoping azuma joins FT, thats hilarious because he just blew up a ship with ALOT of council soldiers on it, there is not gonna be any forgiveness and "hey come join our guild now that yours is done for" just because of the sole fact he probably killed people (Juvia and Gazille earned forgiveness cause they never killed a single person) if ANYONE joins FT its going to be Zancrow/Meldy because they've both shown signs of salvation in their character, Zancrow was being all sorts of nice to Meldy when Urtear scolded her and Meldy is just so darn innocent!





edit: heres my thoughts on potential match-ups!

URTEAR vs. GRAY + LOKE (gray should lose and find out Ur's daughter is alive)

MELDY + CAPRICIO vs. CANA + LUCY (lucy must break Capricio's resolve and have him join her! and i can't see Meldy fighting 1 vs. 2, so she's gonna stick with Capricio and then go all out when he switches sides)

ZANCROW vs. ELFMAN + EVERGREEN (because he deserves a win to show how strong he is, and they're the only ones that don't matter)

CAIN vs. MIRAJANE + LISANNA (he'll eat Mira's water attacks and want to eat lisanna in her transformations ^^)

RUSTYROSE vs. ERZA (with support from levy + juvia, maybe cause he looks down on women? so three of them should kick his ass?)

AZUMA vs. NATUS (him and zancrow is too predictable, and natsu MUST fight the main bad guy)

and obv this one goes without saying:

HADES vs. MAKAROV

kkck
December 12, 2010, 01:29 AM
The main problem with the seven kin being based directly on the seven sins is that it would have little do do with purgatory though. There has to be something which relates them to purgatory just as the element four were in some way related to the elements for instance. Above that, the penitence can vary, I don't think dante's inferno is the only thing which talks about that. Now, if mashima is indeed going to take such an approach, it would not be as easy to determine which kin is what penitence. Such a thing could be related to their abilities and personalities more than their looks.
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Another thing, Cain is a biclical character who killed his brother in a fit of jealousy yet no one seems to have pointed that out. Perhaps the name is not much of a coincidence? Just eating does not make him gluttonous. The penitence for sloth is ceaseless activity in the purgatorio so perhaps the purpose of his fat is to maintain his ability which could require quite a bit of energy.

ftftw
December 20, 2010, 10:57 AM
my guess for the arc is..

azuma will fight natsu.... natsu lose and gildarts there for the rescue..

caprico will fight lucy and cana... they will lose.. and in the middle of battle mirajane came to help and they won

ultear will fight gray and loke... gray loke lose (ultear is too important to lose!)

kain hikaru will fight elfman and evergreen... but gajeel revived and levi come to help them to win the battle

meldy will fight juvia and lissana, juvia and lisanna lose.. erza + wendy + panther lily join the fight and they won

zancrow will fight LAXUS!!! laxus won

rustyrose will fight fried and bixlow... they won

Of course hades vs makarov.. hades won and successfully take zeref and go.. makarov will died.. btw i think actually hades is not bad guy.. makarov may ask hades to kill him in order to prevent awaken of zeref

and somehow CANA is actually working for GH and the person she want to meet is zeref / hades.. and she had been hiding her ability all along

kkck
December 22, 2010, 07:01 PM
I think you are not giving FT nearly enough credit. Outside of the numbers factor, there is not a single good reason for grimmoire heart to be superior to the strongest legal guild. Natsu and grey have already shown they plow through the fodder easily in the past against the naked mummy guild. Erza and mira won't even notice the fodder. Fairy tail is in for a fight but I think they should be evenly matched for the most part. Were gildarts in the island grimmoire heart would be screwed.

ca12nag3
December 22, 2010, 07:13 PM
fodder is not Ultear she fought Natsu half power on the demon island and was like ok hes tough. Seeing how Erza and Gildartz beat Natsu im not so sure the other would stand a chance. I said earlier they needed a powerboost. And im sure theyll get it. This is something like the Namek saga in DBZ theyll have their powerup possibly from the founder of FT.

peleihno
December 22, 2010, 11:36 PM
These kin sadly are not very intimidating excluding Azuma(not that looks matter). Azuma seems high class powerwise, but with Natsu+ max plot armor coming his way worries me. If I had to peg any of kin as the top dog then I would say Azuma, due to him being sent on a secret mission to he FT holy land where powerful mages are present and his reaction to when the rest of GH landed on Tenrou Island. Though these are all assumptions, I do hope the Kin are not hyped up all for nothing like the Oracion Seis.

Thorvardur
February 19, 2011, 04:09 PM
I think either laxus or Gildhartz will come to the island and defeat Azuma. It's destined! I think Natsu will fight Ultear somewhere in near future chapter and then he will be exhausted from that. cus 2 fights are enough for a single person through a whole day. unless.. he eats hell loads of fire! Also I don't think zancrow is going to get up, he's pretty much done now.

Kuzumikun
February 20, 2011, 03:16 AM
i dunno if lucy,cana,gray,and loke are going to loose but im not sure if they are going to win either. I feel like gray and lucy are going to be the ones that are going to take him out if they win, but i can be wrong. I wish Levi and Gajeel or however u spell it fight the fat dude but it seems gajeel is too hurt.

Thorvardur
February 20, 2011, 09:55 AM
Also one thing would be rather funny if Capricio would be an celestial spirit. Lucy would somehow seal him in the spirit world or making him as her spirit XD . just a thought though.