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Tahl
November 16, 2010, 04:22 PM
Assuming that this is the end to Aizen being the bad guy, does anyone else feel that this was the worst possible ending?


Yourichi & Urahara and several others not going Bankai.
No body really dying.

Nothing really being explained:

Why would Aizen set Ichigo up to be able to defeat him?
Why was there zero attempt to make the infamous kings key?
Why did no one kill Aizen?
Why didn't Inoue heal Yamamoto's arm?
What the hell happened to Yammy?

Why, Why , Why?

The list goes on and on and none of it really makes much sense.

Can any of you guys shed some light on this situation?

Fallen.
November 16, 2010, 06:47 PM
I'll shed some light, it's fail ass writing.
Aizen was too powerful so he had to be caged up. And Ichigo wasn't stronger than aizen, urahara was the one who stopped aizen after ichigo wounded him. Yammy was laying with his puppy, most likely died. His arm wasn't healed by inoue because he apperantly wants to be one armed lol. And there was really 0 attempt to make the key because this was another pointless arc to get to know the characters more lol

tret16
November 16, 2010, 07:03 PM
Yamamoto most likely has too much pride to allow inoue to heal his arm. He's a person thats set in his way's afterall. He was probably like, "This wound is proof of battle, only a wimp would be so concern with one missing arms" or something as the such..

Tenacious Weezy
November 16, 2010, 07:38 PM
I think because of how he lost his arm in the kidou explosion that same power would be needed to regenerate it or something like that. I remember she had a hard time healing Ichigo when Ulqy messed him up the first time.

vizardichigo
November 16, 2010, 07:43 PM
1. Aizen didnt set Ichigo up to defeat him...He used him Ichigo because he was a human with innate shinigami powers but his human side could still be manipulated to evolve into a hollow thus making him a real hybrid species, not a vizard ( shini with hollow powers) or an Arrancar ( hollow with shini powers), but a true HYBRID..Both of them, yet none of them at the same time..He thought that him using the Orb to reach the same goal would allow him to surpass Ichigo in his hybrid form but it turns out that Natural born hybrids > Artifical ones..You cant blame Aizen really..Its classic villain miscalculation, ALL VILLAINS do it. Plus he didnt know about the FGT.

2. Aizen was gonna make the key then Gin ripped a hole in his chest. Then ichigo came. Remember???

3. The Hougyoku while not helping him evolve and giving him power anymore, is embedded within Aizen and cannot be removed. It also cannot be destroyed, so as long as it is a part of Aizen, he as a by product cannot be destroyed, hence making him immortal. Well thats what i got from the whole " Just cause your immortal " thing

4. As the person above stated, Yama-jii probably wants to leave his arm like that as a memento of war and a reminder of his own inefficiency as CC. He is a proud man and wouldnt accept help from Inoue a mere human.

5. We saw Yammy lying with lifeless eyes while his puppy was staring at him. I think its safe to assume he's dead.

IMO they were pretty well defined except for the real reason as to why Aizen helped Ichigo...I put my hypothesis but i could be wrong... Everything else is pretty straight forward IMO though.

Xerneas
November 16, 2010, 09:29 PM
- Kubo is saving all those Ban Kais for later. Even Aizen's I think. But its crap. The entire FKT scene was one massive plotkai. He turned everyone into an idiot in front of Aizen just so he could force Ichigo and him together. In the end every single character there got trolled, including Aizen and Ichigo!

- Nobody good dying. Well despite this being poor, I'm not upset about it. The reason is because thats a strong pattern Kubo established years ago. So I dunno why anybody would be shocked or angered at...the obvious happening. It was really funny seeing the massive outrage on other forums. Why in the world would you expect something that has never happened before (except Kaien which was a special plot device) to happen all of a sudden? There should never have been any doubt that the people "taken down" would live.

It makes sense anyway because SS side has healers. Arrancar side didn't have a single one. How are they gonna survive when they get stomped and no one is there to fix them? Bottom line is no one should expect good guys to die until after, you know, Kubo actually does it. -_-

- As mentioned, Aizen didn't set up Ichigo to defeat him. He set up Ichigo to get a beatdown but it backfired. He wanted to test out his (failed) transcendent powers on somebody and even said as much. Also, lmao at people who think Aizen was stronger than Ichigo. I suppose thats why he got dominated from start to finish? Say no to drugs people. :eyeroll

- There was zero (or rather, a pathetic, comical and plotkai filled) attempt at the Key because Kubo couldn't kill Ichigo's friends. Its funny cause at one stage in the arc I actually did think he would let Aizen destroy KT and shock all the readers - as long as there weren't important characters there. He actually doesn't have a problem dispatching nameless fodder, as we saw with random Shinigami and Yammy's victims when he first appeared. He could have sheltered the Nakama from death by leaving them at Urahara's underground facility. But alas, he put them in the line of fire, which was the last nail in Aizen's coffin. It was amazing how people thought Aizen could still win at that point, when there was only one possible outcome given Kubo's track record.

- Aizen cannot be killed as long as he is fused with the Hogyoku. Thats why he wasn't murdered by FGT and Urahara planned ahead with his Kidou. Not sure what has people confused about this: Powerlevel wise, Ichigo was far above him, but it wasn't any use cause you can't get rid of him. I still wonder if a Yama Ban Kai could vaporize him and separate the Hogyoku but the manga isn't ready for that apparently. Also puzzled as to why a sentient rock thats supposedly abandoned its master didn't just pluck itself out of his chest and fly off somewhere. Stranger things have happened in BLEACH.

- Its obvious that Yamamoto doesn't want his damn arm healed. I don't get the confusion over this one either. Look at all his scars. He keeps them as a reminder of his battles/failures. The man is hardcore.

- I would not be shocked if we saw Yammy again, even if he did die, which to me is still in doubt anyway. We had similar "death scenes" before then it turned out the person was alive. Granted he's a villain and that logic doesn't work for them, but there's something that makes me skeptical. The last chapter of the Arrancar Arc highlighted Mayuri and his experiments in HM. Kubo said ages ago that the Arrancar corpses he found will be very important to the plot, and going by that chapter he didn't forget. Mayuri also said he was going to collect the fallen warriors in FKT so he must have his hands on Starrk and Hallibel too. I think either those guys aren't dead, or they are and he's gonna use some science hax to bring them back to life, and stronger than before. I'm expecting a Dr. Gero deal here with massive upgrades (when you think about it, Nemu is like a cyborg anyway). Same thing goes for the ones that are alive for sure like Nel and Grimmjow.

kkck
November 16, 2010, 09:52 PM
Well, all those characters not using bankai only means they will have a role in the future. That in itself is not a bad thing. I do think ichigo was enormously stronger than aizen though, what I disliked about the fight was that ichigo used FGT even though he was pawning aizen without it. I think he did it to become normal rather than to actually defeat aizen.

xXan
November 17, 2010, 04:30 AM
- Kubo is saving all those Ban Kais for later. Even Aizen's I think. But its crap. The entire FKT scene was one massive plotkai. He turned everyone into an idiot in front of Aizen just so he could force Ichigo and him together. In the end every single character there got trolled, including Aizen and Ichigo!

- Nobody good dying. Well despite this being poor, I'm not upset about it. The reason is because thats a strong pattern Kubo established years ago. So I dunno why anybody would be shocked or angered at...the obvious happening. It was really funny seeing the massive outrage on other forums. Why in the world would you expect something that has never happened before (except Kaien which was a special plot device) to happen all of a sudden? There should never have been any doubt that the people "taken down" would live.

It makes sense anyway because SS side has healers. Arrancar side didn't have a single one. How are they gonna survive when they get stomped and no one is there to fix them? Bottom line is no one should expect good guys to die until after, you know, Kubo actually does it. -_-

- As mentioned, Aizen didn't set up Ichigo to defeat him. He set up Ichigo to get a beatdown but it backfired. He wanted to test out his (failed) transcendent powers on somebody and even said as much. Also, lmao at people who think Aizen was stronger than Ichigo. I suppose thats why he got dominated from start to finish? Say no to drugs people. :eyeroll

- There was zero (or rather, a pathetic, comical and plotkai filled) attempt at the Key because Kubo couldn't kill Ichigo's friends. Its funny cause at one stage in the arc I actually did think he would let Aizen destroy KT and shock all the readers - as long as there weren't important characters there. He actually doesn't have a problem dispatching nameless fodder, as we saw with random Shinigami and Yammy's victims when he first appeared. He could have sheltered the Nakama from death by leaving them at Urahara's underground facility. But alas, he put them in the line of fire, which was the last nail in Aizen's coffin. It was amazing how people thought Aizen could still win at that point, when there was only one possible outcome given Kubo's track record.

- Aizen cannot be killed as long as he is fused with the Hogyoku. Thats why he wasn't murdered by FGT and Urahara planned ahead with his Kidou. Not sure what has people confused about this: Powerlevel wise, Ichigo was far above him, but it wasn't any use cause you can't get rid of him. I still wonder if a Yama Ban Kai could vaporize him and separate the Hogyoku but the manga isn't ready for that apparently. Also puzzled as to why a sentient rock thats supposedly abandoned its master didn't just pluck itself out of his chest and fly off somewhere. Stranger things have happened in BLEACH.

- Its obvious that Yamamoto doesn't want his damn arm healed. I don't get the confusion over this one either. Look at all his scars. He keeps them as a reminder of his battles/failures. The man is hardcore.

- I would not be shocked if we saw Yammy again, even if he did die, which to me is still in doubt anyway. We had similar "death scenes" before then it turned out the person was alive. Granted he's a villain and that logic doesn't work for them, but there's something that makes me skeptical. The last chapter of the Arrancar Arc highlighted Mayuri and his experiments in HM. Kubo said ages ago that the Arrancar corpses he found will be very important to the plot, and going by that chapter he didn't forget. Mayuri also said he was going to collect the fallen warriors in FKT so he must have his hands on Starrk and Hallibel too. I think either those guys aren't dead, or they are and he's gonna use some science hax to bring them back to life, and stronger than before. I'm expecting a Dr. Gero deal here with massive upgrades (when you think about it, Nemu is like a cyborg anyway). Same thing goes for the ones that are alive for sure like Nel and Grimmjow.

No actualy people think it trough. It does not matter how Ichigo was able to trash Aizen around. In the end Aizen was standing IMMORTAL and Ichigo was slowly dying. Urahara had to show up and save his but. If not Ichi would have been dead. It matters not that for the entire fight you get the more points if in the end you are the one with your face first in the dirt and the other one laughing at you.


Well, all those characters not using bankai only means they will have a role in the future. That in itself is not a bad thing. I do think ichigo was enormously stronger than aizen though, what I disliked about the fight was that ichigo used FGT even though he was pawning aizen without it. I think he did it to become normal rather than to actually defeat aizen.

He used FGT because Aizen was evolving like crazy and nothing he used on him had any effect. So eventualy Aizen would have becomed strong enough to put Ichigo down.
Also FGT was needed for 2 reason (one of them):
1- It was needed because Ichi had to weaken Aizen so the seas activates and nothing other but that could do it.
2-So Ichigo would become powerfull enough so Aizen had a dude on his level and gave up his power (as Ichigo put it).
Oh end this is ignoring the fact that Kubo needed to depower Ichi somehow, he was to godlike.
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The only thing i find stupid is the commander not whanting Orihime to fix his arm. Scars are one thing but disability is a completly other thing and he was the commander FFS. Yes he is a proud man but he was also inteligent and there is no point in feeling shame for getting healed by someone, they do it all the time in SS. Also the "humans" proved themself over and over by now so its no shame there.

Why nobody dies ? Simple its a nice manga so .. yeah. Look at Naruto, its about the same thing. But yeah Naruto does have some deaths.

Also perhaps Aizen set it up so he would have a equal in Ichi? But i think we are looking in this more then Kubo lol.

Xerneas
November 17, 2010, 08:31 AM
No actualy people think it trough. It does not matter how Ichigo was able to trash Aizen around. In the end Aizen was standing IMMORTAL and Ichigo was slowly dying. Urahara had to show up and save his but. If not Ichi would have been dead. It matters not that for the entire fight you get the more points if in the end you are the one with your face first in the dirt and the other one laughing at you.

Where do you get dying from? Ichigo was just losing his powers. I already said that despite the huge power difference, it wasn't any use cause Aizen was not destructible. And Urahara didn't have to show up and "save" anybody, his Kidou would have activated regardless. Kubo made him appear just to explain what was happening to the readers. Ichigo did like 90% of the work in defeating Aizen so don't try to spin it any other way. Thats what the manga showed us. Without him they wouldn't have a prayer activating that Kidou in the first place! The main hero is who saved everybody, hmmm, yes, shocking I know. Also, you realize Aizen was laughing at him and looking down cause he was losing his mind right? Explained further below.


He used FGT because Aizen was evolving like crazy and nothing he used on him had any effect. So eventualy Aizen would have becomed strong enough to put Ichigo down.
Also FGT was needed for 2 reason (one of them):
1- It was needed because Ichi had to weaken Aizen so the seas activates and nothing other but that could do it.
2-So Ichigo would become powerfull enough so Aizen had a dude on his level and gave up his power (as Ichigo put it).
Oh end this is ignoring the fact that Kubo needed to depower Ichi somehow, he was to godlike.

You really need to read over this fight man. Aizen wasn't evolving any further, the narrative even said so. His abomination form was his final stage and he was still being outclassed by NORMAL ICHIGO. Look back at how easily his attacks got brushed off. Aizen's problem is that he forgot his own words: The Hogyoku doesn't perform miracles, it can only bring out one's hidden potential. He overestimated his own talent.

Ichigo used FGT cause he was tired of Aizen (again, this was stated). He didn't want to hear Aizen blabbing nonsense anymore. When Aizen thought he "won" he was delusional. Read it again. He thought he was evolving but it was actually the Hogyoku taking away all his new powers AND the old ones too. If Urahara didn't have that Kidou he still wouldn't have won cause he didn't have any strength left. It would have been a stalemate (only because he can't die otherwise Ichigo would win). He would just slink off somewhere I suppose.


The only thing i find stupid is the commander not whanting Orihime to fix his arm. Scars are one thing but disability is a completly other thing and he was the commander FFS. Yes he is a proud man but he was also inteligent and there is no point in feeling shame for getting healed by someone, they do it all the time in SS. Also the "humans" proved themself over and over by now so its no shame there.

Well you have to understand the era he is from and what he is. The leader of an ancient military institution. He got outsmarted, lost his arm and failed his mission. A young rookie boy had to clean up his mess. Can you imagine the EXTREME disgrace he must have felt? I'm surprised he didn't punish himself further but losing an arm is enough I guess. It doesn't matter cause he's still the strongest Shinigami in the last 1000 years and whoever faces him next is gonna get their ass kicked. I can't wait for that cause its high time Kubo stopped nerfing him with plotkai and gave him a real fight.

THM Nindo
November 17, 2010, 09:51 AM
Worst possible ending is having Aizen say "This was all part of my plan"... again...

Please, let Aizen where he is, and move on with another plot...

kkck
November 17, 2010, 12:24 PM
@ xxan

Ichigo barely fought with aizen at all. The only time he actually attacked aizen was when he slashed him but other than that the fight was hopelessly one sided. After aizen's huge blast did nothing to ichigo considering he blocked with his arm. Had he actually blocked the attack with his sword then I don't think ichigo would have been affected at all. I don't think ichigo was actually pressured in any way into using the final getsuga tensho.

Hystzen
November 17, 2010, 04:09 PM
Aizen was so outclassed by ichigo that ichigo used FGT just for a laugh. Aizen was de evolved after i dont get what people dont get his powers where been removed even tho aizen thort he was getting a mugestu upgrade he wasent

Yamma used a forbidden kido it used his arm so yea im guessing some kido blah blah means it cant be healed even by orhimime plus he would still own Aizen with one hand .


if you thort Yammi would win against kenpachi (eyepatch) and byakuya you gota be joking..they both toying with yammi he had no chance. plus he was the dumbest dullest espada.

exacta
November 18, 2010, 12:05 PM
I'll shed some light, it's fail ass writing.
Aizen was too powerful so he had to be caged up. And Ichigo wasn't stronger than aizen, urahara was the one who stopped aizen after ichigo wounded him. Yammy was laying with his puppy, most likely died. His arm wasn't healed by inoue because he apperantly wants to be one armed lol. And there was really 0 attempt to make the key because this was another pointless arc to get to know the characters more lol

No. Aizen was inferior to Ichigo. Aizen completely lost his cool(something no one has made him do) and outright stated it himself, and he got torn in half with one attack. Before that transformation, he was COMPLETELY outclassed. Ichigo> Aizen in that fight. All you have to do to see that is read the chapters. I honestly don't understand how anyone could say Aizen was stronger in that fight.

Yeah Urahara put that kido in, but if Ichigo didn't own Aizen bad enough for the Hogyoku to leave him, it wouldn't have activated. It was Ichigo's and Uraharas win.

I have no idea why Kubo did leave so many questions open.....I guess it's going to come back in future arcs and be explained. The unshown Bankai's are to keep other fights between characters interesting, that's all i know. Having all those captains use them in the same spot while fighting Aizen might've caused them to end up hurting each other or interfering with each other....or maybe they just underestimated him.

no_regretsYSL
November 20, 2010, 10:24 PM
While everyone here makes good points I personally:

Would have preferred it if everything remained the same except Ichigo transformed into the Full Horned Hollow. Then they fight n clash and Aizen manages to take Ichigo down only for him to THEN use his Final getsuga tenshou. So basically the same exact thing only instead of Boss bankai ichigo we see boss Full Horned Hollow.

Cyber34
November 21, 2010, 11:48 PM
Assuming that this is the end to Aizen being the bad guy, does anyone else feel that this was the worst possible ending?


Yourichi & Urahara and several others not going Bankai.
No body really dying.

Nothing really being explained:

Why would Aizen set Ichigo up to be able to defeat him?
Why was there zero attempt to make the infamous kings key?
Why did no one kill Aizen?
Why didn't Inoue heal Yamamoto's arm?
What the hell happened to Yammy?

Why, Why , Why?

The list goes on and on and none of it really makes much sense.

Can any of you guys shed some light on this situation?

The only light I can shed is that this manga is not an ideal read for logical thinkers. It is best to give up trying to make sense of the B.S. and just read it to see how the story will progress.

crimsonlink310
November 22, 2010, 10:02 PM
Nothing really being explained:

We learned that Aizen knew Ichigo before he was born. Also the explanation can be set for a later date like the upcoming Isshin arc.


Why would Aizen set Ichigo up to be able to defeat him?

Like others stated, Aizen powered up Ichigo to test his powers against. But even then it wasn't like that. I personally think that Aizen just stated some of his crap to confuse Ichigo so his resolve would break. Aizen can't control Ichigo's emotion nor the relationship he has with his friends. Ichigo's growth rate depended on him not on Aizen, Ichigo could have died against Kenpachi or lost to his Inner Hollow and then Aizen would simply move on and say "failed experiment".


Why was there zero attempt to make the infamous kings key?

He needed to be in Karakura and by the time he was going to finish off Gin, Ichigo came in with his badass new form.


Why did no one kill Aizen?

Its not so easy to kill Aizen. While the Hogyoku doesn't see Aizen as it's master, it still transformed him into a higher being. I say its more of an arrogance thing, SS wants Aizen to suffer in prison instead of dieing an easy death.


Why didn't Inoue heal Yamamoto's arm?

1. Yama said Orihime was a traitor to SS.
2. He is a proud stubborn old goat.
3. The kido was sacrificial so getting it back would be redundant.


What the hell happened to Yammy?

Yammy was beaten by Byakuya and Kenpachi, done deal the end. Maybe if we are lucky Kubo will have Byakuya or Kenpachi flashback to it or he will give the anime writers permission to air an episode on the fight.

Umashin
November 25, 2010, 10:29 AM
The stupid part is not that the imprisoned aizen, because there is no means of killing him at the moment. Urahara's gambit only worked cuz ichigo weakened him. The stupid part is that they imprisoned aizen WITH A RELEASE DATE. WTF you think he's just gonna roll over and die or somehow change his ways knowing that he is still the unkillable, uber powerful mastermind he is. Unless you've got another strong ass character with a sword in the "getsu" family then you know you're f*cked when you let him out, and you still wanna let hit out...idiots

shaheer
November 27, 2010, 08:43 AM
the stuffs that i feel is out of place is
Y in the 9 month period ichigo never really asked his father any thing...
that lame mojo that ichigo showed : i wun ask you ...is just BS...kubo hasnt really though of isshins shinigami ism yet .. and in 9 whole month not a word was asked... after 9 month a stranger comes and askes whether he really knows his father he is like WTF...i dun know for sure...
numbnut what WTF did you do in this span of powerless-ness when almost every day you were awoken by a daddys rolling hugg or what ever....

and it was stated that if Kyoraku and ukitake fought in full neither their peers nor their seers can match them...
and i kind a agree with that...both are seen to be very powerful...
SO Y T F didnt the go bankai finish the 3 espadas...they werent much tough to tell the truth... only stark a bit...and gin (as he didnt show his colors then) and tosen and by that time the visard would have made the appearance so those 2 with the vizard and with the rest of the ss who were by which time sitting back and enjoying the show going all bankai and finishing aizen......
go back home take their Ps3/ 360 and enjoy Halo/God of war with coffee....
and while i am in off topic i ll include this as well Y is byakuya considered a male.......
i as a guy take this as a great insult ....

any way back to what i was saying....the only new bankai we saw from SS was soifongs...and that was a crappy one.. it makes her more vurnarable

Zeltrax
November 28, 2010, 12:52 AM
When were you under the impression that Aizen is a bad guy?

ZERO PHOENIX
November 29, 2010, 03:18 PM
They could just Gainax the crap out of this to really screw with us I suppose.

bryanmfp
December 01, 2010, 06:51 PM
Long time lurker, first time poster. :tem

Regarding Ichigo's Final Getsuga Tenshou (my speculations):

"Final Getsuga Tenshou" isn't necessarily the final attack, but the transformation itself. As soon as Ichigo tapped into that power, he abandoned his reiatsu and became Getsuga, the embodiment of all of his Shinigami potential turned into pure physical force-- a single "attack". Once this happened he was already losing his power, and when he performed the final Mugetsu attack he exhausted all of it (the "If you use this technique" at the beginning of the next chapter might confuse a reader into thinking that the Mugetsu attack itself drained his powers) , then immediately collapsed.

This makes me wonder if Kubo is going to write more "Turn Back the Pendulum" chapters and explain how Isshin used his Final Getsuga Tenshou and lost his powers. No proof he had used it yet, but strongly suggested by the fact that he lost his powers and taught Ichigo how to learn the technique.

I'd say Bleach has a lot more in it at this point. I was myself somewhat silently hoping for a climactic end with Aizen, yet there's many loose ends (Isshin's past, King's Key, etc.) I wouldn't mind if Kubo filled in. As for Karin, her reiatsu may not be significant now, but neither was Ichigo's until Rukia's powers kickstarted his own. She may become a shinigami yet.

It's hard, sometimes, not to be too critical of the mangaka, but Bleach overall keeps on being at the very least mildly entertaining or better than that. Hopefully the new arc starts picking up faster, it's beginning to drag on (though I think the series benefitted from having a slow paced period for a while-- it'll make the next interesting part even more so).


tl;dr Ichigo used Mugetsu as a killing blow, but he had already lost his powers when he transformed. Maybe Kubo will show us how Isshin lost his powers by using Final Getsuga Tenshou? Karin's reiatsu isn't that different from Ichigo's (he didn't get all of his until Rukia gave him her powers). Let's cut Kubo a little slack, the best parts of Bleach could still be ahead. :darn

landundersea
December 04, 2010, 03:44 PM
When were you under the impression that Aizen is a bad guy?

..... fun thing is, this is not as funny as it should have been....

ok, let me explain myself:
1.i don't get the 'good guy' vibe from most of the characters in this series. ichigo is too clueless right now to qualify for as such and throughout the SS arc he was the enemy really... hitsugaya needs to grow up; seriously, he reminds me of monty python's and the holy grail quote about the lady of the lake, only that in his case it would be: 'Listen, strange ice dragons sitting in frozen fields distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical glacial ceremony.' with all the big words he gracefully throws at our face continuously, i practically begged for aizen to hax him. everybody else has pretty much clearly showed that they are not in this category.

2. urahara always creeped me out the most.... more than aizen

3. despite what people say, i do think that captain superman has/ had a system of honour and ethics; only that it is too machiavellian>> his 'fixation' with power and strength and dealing with others in terms of their usefuleness to his plans....

so, i do believe that he might turn out to be not 'good' (but as i have said pretty much nobody really is good in this manga), but acting upon a good cause or sth

union98
December 07, 2010, 12:15 PM
If Aizen turns out to be a good guy, I will be really upset. I get what people are saying...that no one's really good or bad per se, because everyone just acts in their own self interests (then again how is this different than real life). But I digress, if we determine that good and evil is based on intent, then yeah, no one is good or evil, but if we hold to canon and say that the soul society (because it's the opposite of hell) it's the keeper of what's good, then anything going against soul society would be deemed evil in which case yeah, Aizen would be evil. (But I guess by that same argument, so would Ichigo in a few situations...so who's to say)...

WOOHOOO...50 POST...I'm no longer a beginner...suck that beginners....lol j/k

landundersea
December 07, 2010, 03:01 PM
that's the whole point in aizen's world :p making YOU or me or anyone upset... because he can [despicable him]


If Aizen turns out to be a good guy, I will be really upset.

srsly, though i doubt he will turn out good... if that happens i will be very upset too and me likes her prrreccioussssss. maybe, there is a good reason behind his actions, not necessarily good as in nice and fluffy and white and pure but you know nice as in sound maybe logical.

i get this feeling from him, like the thing he said about the nature of truth= profound.... and then he goes around trying to kill ichigo's friends in the most sadistic and yet ridiculous, slightly perverted but amusing way. heeellooooo, what's wrong with you?!?!

Vengeance
December 08, 2010, 04:40 AM
Assuming that this is the end to Aizen being the bad guy, does anyone else feel that this was the worst possible ending?
I think getting rid of Aizen now is what is best for this manga. Aizen is one of the biggest reasons why Bleach isn't as good as it could have been. With Aizen out of the picture at least now Bleach has a chance at redeeming itself.

conn-man
December 15, 2010, 12:30 AM
Bleach won't have a bad ending. I'm certain now that kubo is gonna have a field day and cut loose for the final arc. All questions answered, all bankais revealed, and epic fights that will make the fkt and SS fights look little.

Sollum
December 15, 2010, 01:05 AM
If Aizen turns out to be a good guy, I will be really upset. I get what people are saying...that no one's really good or bad per se, because everyone just acts in their own self interests (then again how is this different than real life). But I digress, if we determine that good and evil is based on intent, then yeah, no one is good or evil, but if we hold to canon and say that the soul society (because it's the opposite of hell) it's the keeper of what's good, then anything going against soul society would be deemed evil in which case yeah, Aizen would be evil.

I see you claim that Order is good, how come? I haven't see any universal rule that Order is good and Chaos is bad. It is like claiming that Jesus existed just because people say so.

I blame society and education for that :( We are brainwashed to follow one path...

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Worst possible ending would be if it would be a happy ending...

bebuxe
January 09, 2011, 12:09 AM
SPOILER ALERT

My brother and I were talking about the group xcution, and that they have the ability to draw out the soul of things, and "make it better." And since my brother was just done reading the aizen arc with the hyosoke(sp), he thought "that is bad, what if they draw out the soul of the hyosoke(sp) and make it better?" Would it become demi-god? Serious bad ending moments if that were to happen, now that it agrees with aizen's conscience/will.

it might be the ending scenes as we know it.

kamakazi_1996
April 03, 2011, 08:33 PM
Why would Aizen set Ichigo up to be able to defeat him? no he wanted ichigo to become strong so that he could devour him and get stronger or he just wanted someone who was actually more powerful than him because it was lonely
Why was there zero attempt to make the infamous kings key? gin delayed him long enough for ichigo to arrive
Why did no one kill Aizen? he became immortal because the hogyoku was binded to him
Why didn't Inoue heal Yamamoto's arm? This is a really stupid question :D its because yama doesn't need two arms to kick-ass :p
What the hell happened to Yammy? he was cut up by byakuya and kenpachi and became too big for mayuri to dissect

it wasn't a complete waste of time, we get to have some character development and kubo can start something new, i felt ichigo was getting weaker each time ever since he got bankai and beat byakuya he just became weak all of a sudden, he wasn't as fast and badass, this was fixed when he got his mask but he should of been a lot more faster and stronger IMO but because of the dangai training he mastered his bankai so he should be like the ss arc ichigo because that ichigo was the best...well second best if you include the FGT ichigo

Hanihime
April 04, 2011, 06:55 AM
Worst ending?
This all being Ginjou's dream.

Best ending?
It turns out Ichigo and Urahara actually lost and that it was all Aizen's Bankai.
:amuse

WaveBossa
April 04, 2011, 11:08 AM
The only light I can shed is that this manga is not an ideal read for logical thinkers. It is best to give up trying to make sense of the B.S. and just read it to see how the story will progress.

Couldn't have said it any better myself. And its not only true for bleach, its true for many things ranging from commericals to feature length films. Sometimes you gotta turn your brain off and just have fun.

Gotenkss
June 16, 2011, 02:19 AM
WORST ENDING : Aizen and Ichigo makes up and defeat the final villain.
And Aizen claiming --> This was all part of my plan. :santa

Jiggy-Ninja
July 17, 2011, 08:12 PM
Assuming that this is the end to Aizen being the bad guy, does anyone else feel that this was the worst possible ending?


Yourichi & Urahara and several others not going Bankai.
No body really dying.

Nothing really being explained:

Why would Aizen set Ichigo up to be able to defeat him?
Why was there zero attempt to make the infamous kings key?
Why did no one kill Aizen?
Why didn't Inoue heal Yamamoto's arm?
What the hell happened to Yammy?

Why, Why , Why?

The list goes on and on and none of it really makes much sense.

Can any of you guys shed some light on this situation?
It's been a while since the end of this, but I still can't get over just how much Kubo failed so hard on basically all fronts. It's like he just didn't even care and wanted to move on. It really shows just how much he didn't have any of this planned out, and was just pulling stuff out of where the sun don't shine.

But, as was said earlier, Aizen didn't set up Ichigo so he could win, he set it up so that Ichigo would be strong enough to force him to "evolve", just like he did with Gin. A very sloppy understanding of the concept of evolution if it is inspired by the biological theory, as evolution does not work to improve individuals, but the species as a whole. But still an interesting plot device, and a forgivable error for someone who is an artist, not a scientist.

Nobody dying, Aizen said when he cut them all down that he wasn't trying to kill them, that he wanted them to watch. Though, since his motivation for doing this isn't all that clear, it's still a cop out.

We did get to see two new Bankais in that arc (Jakuhou Raikouben and Kamishini no Yari), as well as the Shikais of all the Vaizard except Hachi. I don't count Tekken Tachikaze because even though we saw it, we didn't see any of the fight. The lack of Bankai is pretty bad writing. Maybe Kubo just hasn't bothered to design them yet. Any halfway decent writer would have gotten such an essential part of the character design at the very beginning though. Hell, a good mangaka like Oda or Akamatsu would have probably already designed Kenpahi's Bankai, just in case.

I don't really like Gin's Bankai though. It just seems like a cheap way to make Gin able to kill Aizen.

King's Key, Aizen was going to make it once he was done with Ichigo. He just got beat before he got around to it.

No one killed Aizen because he was now effectively immortal. The new Central 46 (47?) guys said so.

The Yammy fight was total crap. Or rather, the the complete absence of the back half of the Yammi fight (what would have been the best, most awesome, most epic part!) is total crap. He was the 0 Espada, apparently stronger even than the super-broken Barrigan, and I'm supposed to believe that he was weak enough that two Captains could take him down without serious injury!?!? Kenpachi even said the fight was boring! What the hell?

Kensei getting beat by Wonderweiss isn't as much crap as Yammi getting beaten so easily, but it's still crap that we didn't get to see it.

You didn't even touch on two of what I consider to be the biggest epic fails of that arc.

One, that whole "understanding" bull crap. While not crucial to the plot, it's horribly done. Aizen making the observation that "two-dimensional being cannot perceive a three-dimensional one" is not true. Not strictly true at least. Mathmeticians can conceive of 4 dimensional tesseracts and hyper spheres, and we would be able to see 3 dimensional projections of the 4 dimensional object. It'd be really frickin wierd, but it'd be possible.

Aizen doesn't have 4D reiatsu though he just has a whole crapton of it. And even if he did have some extra dimension to his reiatsu, that doesn't meant that Shinigami would lose the ability to perceive the reiatsu component of it. They just wouldn't be able to perceive the new dimension.

And if Aizen is 4D, would that make Ichigo's reiatsu 5D when he used the Final Getsuga?

And the notion that it would be too large to be felt is crap too. It's true that people have trouble imagining huge things beyond a certain size, but they can still perceive it as really frickin big.

Damn Tatsuki could feel Aizen's power. Are we seriously supposed to believe that she's on Aizen's level of power, but Urahara isn't?

And the worst one, that whole "I think Aizen just wanted to be weak" crap. There was absolutely NO hint of this AT ALL. Aizen had one of the biggest God complexs in any story I've ever read, and the most justified one, too. In fact, hestill didn' even after his defeat (Witness his demeanor at his sentencing). He never, EVER gave any hint that he was dissatisfied with his enormous power, and every sign that he enjoyed it. And I won't buy that "deep down in his heart, where even he didn't know" crap that someone's probably brought up.

The worst part is, that shtick was done already. That was Starrk's issue, and with him it worked, it gave him some interesting depth. With Aizen it makes no sense at all, especially when it was already done with a different character.

Tousen's new sight thing was done pretty badly too, but that's not really about the ending.

After such a long rant, I must praise the elements, however small, that I did enjoy, and thought were awesome:

Aizen musing about how both his and Ichigo's Zanpakutous were fused to their arms, and wondering if it's the true form of Zanpakutou or some such nonsense. A small diversion, but really shows that Aizen is an intellectual, and always analyzing the characteristics of his opponents. I enjoy little touches like that.

Ichigo's ironic echo about Aizen putting distance between them, when he had previously chiding Ichigo for doing the same. The little touches.

Kurohitsugi's incantation. So appropriate, coming from Aizen's mouth. The little touches.

Ichigo catching Aizen's blade with his bare hand, and Aizen freezing in shock because he just can't believe what he just saw. His inner thoughts there are perfectly written. I cannot conceive of a single way to improve that scene, it's that awesome.

Whatever Aizen was raging to Urahara about the Spirit King. Nice plot twist, and hints that Aizen may have had reasonable motivations. His speech about how people with power should not resign themselves to the way the world is, but form it into what it should be gives some insight into what Aizen's true character might be. I really hope this pans out into something good and interesting. Maybe a plot twist where Aizen's plan really was necessary after all, or something cool like that.

Though given Kubo's track record, I'm not holding my breath. At least I have Negima, One Piece, Toriko, Hayate, Naruto, and Fairy Tail to keep me entertained.

g0dzax
July 19, 2011, 03:07 PM
Worst possible ending(at least for me) : turns out everyone was under Aizen's Bankai,with Aizen appearing at the end after an epic battle between Ichigo and the last villain saying : " Bwahaha,I was trooling around,you were just in my Bankai".Seriously,I'd hate something like this.Besides this ending,I simply can not fathom another bad ending.