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ghostexiled
November 27, 2010, 05:02 AM
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December 04, 2010, 05:12 PM
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ghostexiled
December 04, 2010, 05:13 PM
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ghostexiled
December 04, 2010, 05:22 PM
Excellent chapter as usual!

Lily is a badass even though he got wooped...

Also glad to see that the Kin don't seem like they will be nerfed as feared.

This battle is already off to a bad start for FT... first Gazille, now Wendy, Mest and Lily look to be done for.

Very Awesome to see Makrov lose his shit with the Dark Guild... but looks like Hades isn't worried a bit.

1337 haxor
December 04, 2010, 05:26 PM
Awesome pre-apocalyptic chapter.

Azuma is badassery incarnated with the best design of this series.

But isn't it a bit early to throw Hades against Makarov?

I mean the top dogs going all out in the beggining is a prelude for what?

LoS
December 04, 2010, 05:32 PM
Makrov lose his shit with the Dark Guild... but looks like Hades isn't worried a bit.

Makes me wonder if Hades will nonchalantly use some tactic or even magic spell to simply render Makarov useless.

Rowel
December 04, 2010, 05:37 PM
Makarov :o

My prediction was way off, but nevertheless, the chapter was great. Azuma taking out team fodder + Lily we all saw coming, but he did it in such a badass way.

My only worry is we'll be seeing Makarov vs Hades too soon, and I doubt Hades will be dealt with so quickly. I'm hoping the old man won't be taken out so quickly just so Natsu can finish off the Big Bad... again. Bright side is we may be seeing most of the Seven Kin's magic next chapter.

Natsu changing the colour of his shirt to match his scarf :spaz

Ero-Sanji
December 04, 2010, 05:47 PM
OMG!

I'm in love with Fairy tail right now!
Finally an explosive guy who delivers, I absolutely love the way he nonchalantly attacks, a true villain indeed.

Wow, Wendy is very battle oriented for being a small child. She will be a great mage in the future. The thing that stood out the most, however, was the way Ultear responded by being called "Ur", what happened exactly?

I'm still a bit nervous though. Makarov charging head on against a battleship filled with brilliant mages is not a good sign. Guess he's going down once again. I think the spirit of Mavis will prevent any deaths but at the end of the day GH will succeed.

ghostexiled
December 04, 2010, 05:50 PM
I wonder about why Urtear is taking this so seriously... makes you think she has something brewing that she is not sharing with the rest of the class.

She almost seems like she wants to take down someone for good.

Wasn't her mother called "Ur"? Maybe she was made to think something ill willed about her... so hates being likened to her...

@LoS - I am sure Makrov will make an effective move against GH, but Hades being jovial about the situation makes me think that Makrov will be side-lined somehow.

Which strengthen my theory in that FT will be dealt with pretty harshly only to come back much later or in the following arc.

I do not get the same vibe from GH as I did with OS.

LoS
December 04, 2010, 05:53 PM
Mest really disappointed me. All he did was teleport behind Azuma to his blind spot and then get merked anyway. I was hoping the guy would show off some set of skills, but their will still be more chances/opportunities. Him and that group aren't down for the count.

For all those people in recent threads who said they couldn't see Makarov losing or even dieing, well his speech to Mavis, the founder's remains, paved the way for just that. Makarov has opened the way for himself to be defeated one way or another, and have the founder help out the guild in some fashion.

Vaste Lorde
December 04, 2010, 05:57 PM
She almost seems like she wants to take down someone for good.

Grey comes to mind. She is obviously trying to rid her self from any sort of connection she had of her mother. Grey is the star pupil, couldn't be a better candidate.

I smell death. Makarov comes to mind.

The explosion guy definitely reminds me of STARRK from bleach. Similar appearance and facial structure. cold and calculating. Pretty badass.

That Mest guy doesn't seem strong. It would take a lot more from him to be promoted. But then again, he merely has to be a part of taking down fairy tale and he may very well be promoted.

I see fairy tail going down anyways. I don't think they can win this one. Gildartz bailed. I hope he returns.

ca12nag3
December 04, 2010, 06:05 PM
I wonder about why Urtear is taking this so seriously... makes you think she has something brewing that she is not sharing with the rest of the class.

She almost seems like she wants to take down someone for good.

Wasn't her mother called "Ur"? Maybe she was made to think something ill willed about her... so hates being likened to her...

@LoS - I am sure Makrov will make an effective move against GH, but Hades being jovial about the situation makes me think that Makrov will be side-lined somehow.

Which strengthen my theory in that FT will be dealt with pretty harshly only to come back much later or in the following arc.

I do not get the same vibe from GH as I did with OS.

She utterly hates her mother Ul, so being shortend to Ul herself would be worse. Perhaps her name realy is Ul after her mother and she added tear later. Meldy might know her for that long that she knows her real name. (or possibly shes her little sister). Another option is shes realy Ul but that would need some explanation as to how she came back from the ice .... Wich i doubt happend.

And knowing this is FT Makarov is gonna lose ( im not saying he will die) but he will lose. Take Erza being blown out of the way by Jupiter, and then you have the Orion Seis arc were a lot of people go k.o. The arc before that the Festival arc. But in the end everyone will work together for the win.

But Makarov will go down...

Ero-Sanji
December 04, 2010, 06:06 PM
I wonder about why Urtear is taking this so seriously... makes you think she has something brewing that she is not sharing with the rest of the class.

She almost seems like she wants to take down someone for good.

Wasn't her mother called "Ur"? Maybe she was made to think something ill willed about her... so hates being likened to her...

Yeah, her mother was Ur and I think you're right about the fact that she has been manipulated into regarding her(Ur) as a weak person.

We know that she's not after Gray since Urtear would have disposed both him and Leon back at Garuda island. It's not Natsu, Lucy nor Erza either. The most logical reason for her behavior is her "obsession" with capturing Zeref, however, I think it has something to do with another person as well.


Another option is shes realy Ul but that would need some explanation as to how she came back from the ice .... Wich i doubt happend.

I think that's impossible since Urtear was physically present before, during and after the ice melted. It's most definitely certain that she's her own character. Separated from her mother at a young age which resulted in her mother thinking she was dead. At the stage of childhood Urtear was raised into despising her mother by someone possible her father or Hades or both...?

Krono
December 04, 2010, 06:19 PM
Mest really disappointed me. All he did was teleport behind Azuma to his blind spot and then get merked anyway. I was hoping the guy would show off some set of skills, but their will still be more chances/opportunities. Him and that group aren't down for the count.

Mest's skills seem pretty well geared towards infiltration. He kinda strikes me as an investigator that worked his way up through the ranks, rather than a combat specialist.

On a different note, does anyone else get the feeling that Meldy's the youngest/newest of the group? Zancrow's response to Urtear snapping at Meldy strikes me as someone trying to reassure a junior a bit, which fits in with Urtear asking if Meldy was up for the battle. Meldy also seems to me now as someone that's trying to be serious, but is easily excitable, which is another possible mark of youth or inexperience.
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At the stage of childhood Urtear was raised into despising her mother by someone possible her father or Hades or both...?

It's not out of the question for Hades to be her father.

Zoro #1
December 04, 2010, 06:22 PM
I have a feeling that Makarov and Hades are going to end up killing each other, and then Gildartz is gonna be the new Master of fairy tail, Plus if the member that are on the island defeat the the 7 Kin they might just get promoted to an S-class mage.

ca12nag3
December 04, 2010, 06:24 PM
Yeah, her mother was Ur and I think you're right about the fact that she has been manipulated into regarding her(Ur) as a weak person.

We know that she's not after Gray since Urtear would have disposed both him and Leon back at Garuda island. It's not Natsu, Lucy nor Erza either. The most logical reason for her behavior is her "obsession" with capturing Zeref, however, I think it has something to do with another person as well.



I think that's impossible since Urtear was physically present before, during and after the ice melted. It's most definitely certain that she's her own character. Separated from her mother at a young age which resulted in her mother thinking she was dead. At the stage of childhood Urtear was raised into despising her mother by someone possible her father or Hades or both...?

she wasnt physically present when the ice melted. Merely some flashbacks to when she told Gray she would still be alive and not to tell about it since Lyon might spend his whole life trying to undo the spell.

So it is a remote possibilty that something happend during the spell that she lived on. < merely saying its a possibilty. Perhaps a dark mage used magic on her or w/e.

Im just giving a whole different look on her reaction on hearing herself being called Ul.

ghostexiled
December 04, 2010, 06:24 PM
Well those familiar with "RAVE" know that Mashima is great with telling a story about family and their strife.

I expect Grey to become massively connected (story wise) to Urtear during and after this arc.

For those of us romantics... she could have a hand in a nasty defeat of Juvia in front of Grey. Launching him and Juvia into an actual relationship.

Lets just hope that it doesn't turn out like Musica+Reina from RAVE... :scry

xErzaScarlet
December 04, 2010, 06:32 PM
WAHAH , Makarov is going to wipe Hades out .
Its pretty sad to see Wendy losing but , its expected .
As for Natsu , i dont think he has any trouble wiping Azuma out .
His strength is really powerful enough to wipe some people out .
But what i hope is that , Makarov doesnt go 1 VS 7 .
Perhaps Natsu would help Makarov after beating Azuma .

Zatono
December 04, 2010, 06:33 PM
Bah. Where's Gildartz when you need him? Lily had a handicap, and Mest is freaking useless as of right now. Makarov is badass, but there's no denying his age, and we don't know how old Hades is either. Right now things aren't looking so good for FT.

ca12nag3
December 04, 2010, 06:35 PM
Ive been cracking my head on this for the last 30 min and thought about some stuff.

1. every character related to Ul uses Icemaking Magic.
Gray+Lyon.
2 She used a rare spell to stop time -> freeze in the demon by sacrificing herself.
3 Ultear uses ancient time magic.

So what if Ul(tear) is actualy using a time magic to alter time and shes her younger self from the past.

Another option is that Ul actualy came from the future and bettered herself, took students in Gray and Lyon. And lived out her life (in this past) before all the bad stuff happend wich is happening now ;)

sarutobi_sensei
December 04, 2010, 06:35 PM
Wow, simply WOW!

Lily is so bad ass :D Give him a sword for gods sake ;D

Poor Wendy, she got hurt preatty bad...

Natsu is gonna go apeshit when he sees her on the floor about to be finished off by Azuma. That guy's probably the first one to go down.

And then Makarov. Just WOW. Urtear was like: wtf are you kidding???? Hades was surprised @ first, but then he was almost happy. Do these 2 know each other?

I really get a vibe of Makarov dying on this arc. Srsl, what better place to die and rest than on the Holy Land of Fairy Tail.

ghostexiled
December 04, 2010, 06:41 PM
The idea of Ur being her "mother" is not really that hard to believe given the reasons Ca12nag3 gave.

I am figuring that if it is her... that lost magic of time has something to do with it.

Also, I can't see how Lily would ever have his sword on him with him being so small... especially that mega one he used against Gazille.

Maybe he can get Erza to teach him some weapon storage magic.

Hades knowing Makrov is nothing really... FT is well known and Makrov is one of the Holy Mages.

Also again, I don't think Makrov will bite it this arc...

I will say it till blue in the face... not till Ivan and Laxus are involved.

ca12nag3
December 04, 2010, 07:03 PM
Ok ill explain what i mean and kinda keep everything in place so i dont mess it up to much :D but here goes my theory ;)


This would be timeline 1.
Ultear is going to use timemagic and in this arc. It will go wrong and send her to the past. < in effect here is where she loses her daughter and husband. The entire thing about her losing her husband and child and that Lyon and Gray somehow replace them/and not
Ul changes and becomes more or less good, takes up the 2 students Lyon and Gray leading a happy life. Most likely she tried to contact herself Ultear to make her change but fails.
Then Ul fights the Demon and knows with time magic+ice magic to create that ice to seal away the demon protecting her students.

Timeline 2. option 1

This Ultear we see now knows about the accident that will happen this arc and might try to make sure she doesnt get send to the past she succeeds in doing this. Due to time mechanics what happend to Gray and Lyon and their training will not be undone, so somehow you got 2 Uls Ul + Ultear.

Timeline 2. option 2

Ultear knows whats going to happen and sees during this arc that shes wrong, including the previous encounter with her former self she sees she was wrong and changes her ways at the end resulting in her to stay this time and she joins FT and helps defeat GH. Somehow creating a weird form of relation with Gray since he knew her as his teacher yet now shes younger by a lot :D

Timeline 2. option 3

Ultear knows what happend ofc from talking to Ul this will have happend in every option. She changes her ways resulting in her to be sent into the past! and all that happend in timeline 1 starts here ;)

Timeline 2. option 4

Ultear knows what happend ofc from talking to Ul. She changes her way and saves the day for the FT people but is actualy the one that dies. And does not get send to the past like her other self. Perhaps she has some last words for Gray?


Well this is all i could think about so fast :D I hope it is rather clear and not to messed up :D

Rowel
December 04, 2010, 07:10 PM
Alright , first things first. Lily was simply awesome ( without a sword mind you ) to go up against Azuma and fight him to that extent. Of course the guy is insanely strong , thus he blew em away quite easily. Natsu approaching the battle soon!

Secondly , Makarov. That motherf***** went into total badass mode. Loved the pic where the 7 kin of Purgatory were all pumped up for battle at first but then they jizzed their pants when they saw his figure. Even Hades seemed troubled!

I really doubt Makarov will end up dying , at least not because of Charle's premonition at the beginning of the arc. In my opinion , it's just 3 different images blended in together in the premonition she had ( Natsu's scarf in his original color etc. ). Although he does seem to have his death resolution set as far as we saw in the beginning of this chapter. Dunno really.

No idea what to expect from the next chap. Mashima-chan knows how to twist the plot with his supreme methods

kkck
December 04, 2010, 07:29 PM
FUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK makarov is huge.... Next chapter it would seem as if he will fight hades to boot, it is definitely going to be epic.

I guess we also see asuma vs natsu next chapter which seems like an ideal matchup for him considering natsu can just eat the explosions. The trick would be to get natsu into an angle where he can't eat the explosion though. Did natsu just get two ideal matchups lol?

I also think mest being there will ultimately be a good thing and he will be moved by fairy tail. The council must know that their battleship got destroyed so most likely they are already mobilizing. With that, there will be a timelimit to this whole thing although I can't say how much it would take for them to get to the island...
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Lily desperately needs a sword though, and a good one at that. His hand to hand abilities are pretty good but without being able to fight in his element he is always gonna be in trouble. He needs a good old fashion magical sword. Erza could hook him up with her blacksmith though, that would be interesting.

Rarhyx
December 04, 2010, 07:33 PM
that blast dude (forgot the name) reminds of the one frome Rave, Haru pwnd him and later he screwed his sister XD

MonsterEnvy
December 04, 2010, 07:39 PM
WAHAH , Makarov is going to wipe Hades out .
Its pretty sad to see Wendy losing but , its expected .
As for Natsu , i dont think he has any trouble wiping Azuma out .
His strength is really powerful enough to wipe some people out .
But what i hope is that , Makarov doesnt go 1 VS 7 .
Perhaps Natsu would help Makarov after beating Azuma .

1 Makarov is going to lose or else the arc would already end

2 Azuma had no probblems beating 4 people and destorying a ship if he meets Natsu he will pwn him 2 he seens like an oppenent for Gildartz

1337 haxor
December 04, 2010, 07:59 PM
Ultear is a deep character, I think her time magic have someting to do with the tragedy that stroke her.

Think for a second, where does someone get to learn such powerful ancient magic as time control?

My guess is that it has something to do with Zeref, it might be that Ultear truly died but Ul made a pact with Zeref which changed the timeline and thus granted time magic to Ultear because she now dwelt outside her original fate.

It might have been that the pact forced Ultear to ultimately serve Zeref in exange of having her fate changed, however, because she was taken out of time her mother forgot she had made the pact (as the original History was rewritten) and thus acnowledged her daughter`s death and moved on.

Forgotten by a mother who sold her to the devil, that`s enough reason for someone to hate the world.

About Meredy, I am really beginning to think she is a true DS, like a Wendy brought to the wrong path.

I mean, she is so young yet has such high ranking position, if she is the DS of Light (remember there was a blank background in her panel) it would make sense her power being enormous while she herself isn`t very battle experienced.

3c
December 04, 2010, 08:11 PM
Great chapter. The battle between Lily, Wendy, Mest and Azuma was intense. I was actually surprised that Wendy took command to that extent and once again proved why she's worthy of being a member of FT. She'll grow up to be one of it's finest members in no time. I did expect Natsu to be more directly involved though, guess he'll show up the next time we switch to Wendy & CO. But for now I guess we're stuck with Makarov's awesomeness. As badass as he looked being a huge giant and all, his odds for success are 0,001%. Hades should be an equal or above by himself, and the rest of the Purgatory is there too, although I guess they'll get out of there and leave the battle to Hades. It's too bad that this will turn into another repeat of the guild war arc, with Makarov getting taken out early on. I would have loved for him to stick around a while longer, but then again it would have made no sense for him being inactive either.

Koen
December 04, 2010, 08:13 PM
Great chapter. Lily did the best he could do but Azuma is very strong. Even when Mest and Wendy's plan failed. I wasn't surprised then again, these seven mages are very strong and they will be very tough to fight.

The foresight of the scene when Makarov was standing in front of founder's grave doesn't look promising. I somehow fear that Makarov will die. It would be sad but somehow it would give a twist to Fairy Tail. He is very strong but Hades probably expected Makarov doing this and I am afraid that Hades will have the advantage of having a plan. FT and Makarov will have to improvise.

Btw, don't forget that there are still 3 very great mages - S mages - of FT (Gildartz, Miriajane and Erza). I also believe that when Natsu and other dragon slayers use their full power, the fights are going to be more on par.

tobeulp
December 04, 2010, 10:36 PM
Awesome chapter that was specially the Makarov Giant confronting the airship...
I just hope that the battle between Makarov and Hades isn't just one chapter

Sage ninetail
December 04, 2010, 10:44 PM
Great chapter
I like the explosive dude very well, and the team work was pretty impressive from wendy team.
That said, makarov is pure win, but actually I can see him dying and I really hope he does.
My only concern is that we have a repetitive arc of fairy tail.
Prediction/want to happen
I want makarov dead after facing off hades, and the rest of fairy tail beaten down by the 7 kin.
Then luxus come back, take the guild in charge, and why not a time-skip allowing the dragon-slayers to become stronger, and later on get revenge for their fallen master.

BlackHair
December 04, 2010, 10:56 PM
Dammit. I don't like this page (http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/39215148/4) (panel 1) and his monologue with Mavis. I feel like Makarov is going to die. Making the masters face each other so soon, as the very first major battle, just means Makarov is either going to die or imprisoned/handicapped/etc to that extend that he won't be able to fight anymore. I can't tell about Hades, but at this moment I rly don't care. My thoughts are only on Macarov.

Anyway Im disappointed in Mest, I thought he was on FT S-class level, but apparently he isn't.

Unlucky Boy
December 05, 2010, 01:09 AM
It seems Meldy is more human than everyone thought. In this chapter she showed emotions and wasnt all android-like.
I dont like Ultear's new clothes.

Makarov is speaking to Mavis like he's still alive. He keeps saying the island is his "resting place", he never said directly that he is dead. Could Mavis be another DS in slumber?

And I'm pretty sure this arc is connected to the prophet Polyuska gave Makarov about something that gonna happen when FT has 3 dragon slayers, whether it be Makarov's death or Mavis' revival (or both and there you have a new master right there).

BlackHair
December 05, 2010, 02:01 AM
Makarov is speaking to Mavis like he's still alive. He keeps saying the island is his "resting place", he never said directly that he is dead. Could Mavis be another DS in slumber? Nah' I don't think so. Seemed to me just like those normal conversations with a dead person at a graveyard. Macarov has apparently huge respects to the first master.

Anyway, who is the first DS in slumber? Since u said "another". I don't recall anyone.

swordsaintscoot
December 05, 2010, 02:36 AM
Maybe you guys who are all thinking about Makarov's speech as his resolution for death didn't read what was written down the border...where it mentioned his retirement. He's brought shame to Mavis by allowing enemies, a dark guild to infiltrate the Fairy's holy land. As guild master, surely such a mistake is shameful, and why shouldn't he feel guilty? I think Makarov will probably live a little longer, and it'll be a retirement from Makarov. I agree with Ghostexiled, Laxus and Ivan will be involved, if and when he dies.

I truly want Laxus to become the guild master though. You could plainly see that after he endangered his comrades, and was kicked out of Fairy Tail, he began to understand Makarov for expelling his father Ivan. Laxus is a good guy now, and I'd say that his experiences despite how people have mistrusted him in the past will make him a valuable master. Although he still clearly as respect given how they all gave him the 'signal' during the festival.

Ero-Sanji
December 05, 2010, 02:43 AM
It's not out of the question for Hades to be her father.

Exactly, hence "... or both."


she wasnt physically present when the ice melted. Merely some flashbacks to when she told Gray she would still be alive and not to tell about it since Lyon might spend his whole life trying to undo the spell.

So it is a remote possibilty that something happend during the spell that she lived on. < merely saying its a possibilty. Perhaps a dark mage used magic on her or w/e.

Im just giving a whole different look on her reaction on hearing herself being called Ul.

Urtear not Ur was physically present at the Island when the Ice melted, remember? She had herself transformed into a short and masked man. Besides that we saw Ur getting transformed into the ice block.


Ive been cracking my head on this for the last 30 min and thought about some stuff.

1. every character related to Ul uses Icemaking Magic.
Gray+Lyon.
2 She used a rare spell to stop time -> freeze in the demon by sacrificing herself.
3 Ultear uses ancient time magic.

So what if Ul(tear) is actualy using a time magic to alter time and shes her younger self from the past.

Another option is that Ul actualy came from the future and bettered herself, took students in Gray and Lyon. And lived out her life (in this past) before all the bad stuff happend wich is happening now ;)

But then comes the problem with the citizens who claimed that she only took Lyon and Gray in because of her lost daughter. If Ur is Urtear in the future then this whole scene would be strange:

http://www.mangareader.net/135-7161-10/fairy-tail/chapter-46.html

I mean if Ur is the future Urtear then she wouldn't call her mother, she wouldn't even have known that they are relatives. However, the last panel with Urtear kind of shows us their tragic fate and that Urtear's father has a great part in it.

Arrogance
December 05, 2010, 02:51 AM
This chapter was so epic. The enemies are looking promising in that they have a unique presence yet seem very powerful. All the explosions from Azuma this chapter were nuts. In terms of villains I really like his design. We got some Lily action and Wendy almost pulled off a sweet attack, but failed in the end. Natsu vs Azuma seems to be in our future, hopefully that fight will be amazing :amuse.

And to top everything off a giant Makarov to end the chapter. I'm very curious how this is going to turn out for him. I have this feeling that he won't get out of this one easily, even to the point of him possibly losing his life. I dunno, my guts just telling me that this may not end well for him. Maybe its just that we are seeing him go all out this early on. The Dark Guild isn't even on the island yet and he's getting involved. Either way whatever happens it is all going to be intense to read.

kkck
December 05, 2010, 03:16 AM
I am just happy makarov is still so much outright pawnage that even the master of one of the strongest dark guilds puts a WTF face at his sight. Next chapter is gonna be epic.

http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/39215148/18
Seriously, isn't makarov quite literally oozing awesomeness and pawnage? Gildarts and his display of power was impressive but makarov's performance kinda dwarfed gildart's own.....
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On another note, Zancrow has a tatoo on his right shoulder(which I had not noticed before). He reeks to much of fake DS, can't wait to see what type exactly he is though.

hengyu
December 05, 2010, 03:54 AM
That's it? Two dragon slayers down already?

BlackHair
December 05, 2010, 04:50 AM
That's it? Two dragon slayers down already?Gazelle had no equal 1vs1 fights since along time. In fact apart for the recent fight he only fought alongside Natsu against Laxus and before that as a antagonist against Natsu. So Im pretty damn sure he wil make a come back and will face one of the kins. Well and I believe Wendy isn't that hurt either. So she might even heal Gazelle or sth. Anyway they are not done yet. Obviously we are still n the build-up phase.

Aloysius
December 05, 2010, 05:07 AM
That's it? Two dragon slayers down already?
Wendy maybe a dragon slayer, but she is also a kid, and she just was hit by some kind of nuke, at point range... If she were a realistic character in a realistic world, she would have left a few charred remains here and there. Instead, she is in one piece and just need to breathe a few minutes to stand on her feet.:D

k-dom
December 05, 2010, 06:08 AM
Maybe you guys who are all thinking about Makarov's speech as his resolution for death didn't read what was written down the border...where it mentioned his retirement. He's brought shame to Mavis by allowing enemies, a dark guild to infiltrate the Fairy's holy land. As guild master, surely such a mistake is shameful, and why shouldn't he feel guilty? I think Makarov will probably live a little longer, and it'll be a retirement from Makarov. I agree with Ghostexiled, Laxus and Ivan will be involved, if and when he dies.


I'm afraid Makarov doesn't speak of his resignation as Fairy tail head master otherwise why would he ask Mavis to protect the others. Even if he doesn't die I'm pretty sure the 2 headmasters will be incapacitated. With the 2 of them down, the power between the 7 kins and Fairy Tail will be more balanced.

If Natsu is going to fight Azuma, I think he as a fair advantage. The kins attacks are pure gold against a fire dragon slayer.

1337 haxor
December 05, 2010, 06:29 AM
I can't be sure about Makarov dying, but I can try to figure out the point of having him face Hades right at the start.

Mashima is changing the pattern.

He wants FT members to face their counterparts and have thing on more even grounds with GH rather than plot forcing Natsu to ultimately defeat Hades with h@x0r.

This is a battle to decide wheter Zeref gets free or the closest yet attempt to awake him goes to waste until Tartarus barges in.

In my opinion Mashima wants to take both Hades and Makarov right at the beggining to prevent them from tipping the balance to much against younger members.

I mean, Makarov just scared the crap out of the main GH battleforce, he can trash any of them in a single fight exept for Hades and the same might go for any FT member who crosses Hades's path.

I can se both guild masters dying here if it means the battles will escalate to personal level between GH and FT.

Bhoot
December 05, 2010, 06:39 AM
Ive been cracking my head on this for the last 30 min and thought about some stuff.

1. every character related to Ul uses Icemaking Magic.
Gray+Lyon.
2 She used a rare spell to stop time -> freeze in the demon by sacrificing herself.
3 Ultear uses ancient time magic.

So what if Ul(tear) is actualy using a time magic to alter time and shes her younger self from the past.

Another option is that Ul actualy came from the future and bettered herself, took students in Gray and Lyon. And lived out her life (in this past) before all the bad stuff happend wich is happening now ;)

Not possible , Time arc does NOT work on living beings . Ultear may have just come to kill Ur for not caring for her . Ur defeated her and let her go coz she was her mom but told her that for her she was dead .

tobeulp
December 05, 2010, 06:48 AM
Well both masters dying is not that good but I think Hades and Makarov will have an isolated fight then the remaining kins will charge into FT island

Bowser
December 05, 2010, 07:34 AM
Makarov loses or he faces against the Master on his own.

BlackHair
December 05, 2010, 09:17 AM
Come to think of it, the mater with Ivan isn't solved yet, so Macarov can't die.. I guess.

In that case Hades and Macarov will just fight it out. Though his words at the beginning still worries me. Damnit, can't wait another 7 days for a chapter.. Why not now 3 chapters at once xD

p1xel
December 05, 2010, 09:18 AM
Nice,new enemies really are strong.
Makarov epic powers,I knew it would be something awesome.And it`s just the beginning of his powers.Now someone has to fight with Natsu,and it will probably be Azuma.I think Natsu will win.
Looks like Makarov tries to stop 6 enemies alone,and it`s obvious that he will fail.

swordsaintscoot
December 05, 2010, 10:25 AM
guys it mentioned makarovs retirement when makarov was speaking to the grave, thats what the text said in the border. I doubt hes dying before he retires.

Jinoh
December 05, 2010, 10:32 AM
So, why hasn't anyone translated Meldy/Meredy as Melody? It seems to me her name is melody since she wears headphones.

Just a thought...

Unlucky Boy
December 05, 2010, 11:25 AM
Could Wendy's hand here- http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/39215148/15 be the hand from Charle's vision?

It seems like she saw some random images just like last time. Natsu in her vision wears a white scarf and black shirt but he's already canged into black scarf and white shirt, so the image of him crying can be from the fight with Gildartz. The hand can be anyone but it fits to this picture of Wendy.

maravish
December 05, 2010, 12:52 PM
that blast dude (forgot the name) reminds of the one frome Rave, Haru pwnd him and later he screwed his sister XD

lmaooo yea! i was thinking the same thing LOL

Natsu should be able to eat his explosions right?

@kkck
well when you turn into a giant that big, you basically dwarf anyones display of power

Razh
December 05, 2010, 01:19 PM
Oh, that's Shuda. His dark bring allowed him to cause explosions. His fight against Snow was really something else.

Also, boy is this Azuma one unlucky guy. If Natsu gets there, that is. The guy causes explosions and Natsu feeds on fire. Plus, despite pwning all of them there, he didn't really impress me that much. Natsu should be able to pummel him.

And lol at his white jacket. What happens if his scarf turns white again, if that was just temporary? Or maybe Wendy can heal it.

exacta
December 05, 2010, 01:47 PM
I think this arc is gonna end up being FT's best arc, like Enies Lobby for One Piece, Soul Society for Bleach, Sound Five arc for Naruto, etc. etc.

Azuma was badass. I love exploding powers, and I also love how he looks like Amarant from FF9( if anyone has played that game). Do you think him being the 7th member really makes him the strongest though?? I find it strange that the strongest member would be the first to fight, though maybe the mission required their best member.

I hope he owns Natsu too. It would be kind of lame if someone from GH already lost. And personally, as a main character, I don't feel like Natsu has suffered enough defeats that lead to a revenge match later, though maybe thats just my personal taste. Maybe what Gildartz said to him before will go through his head as he confronts Azuma.

Makarov and Hades are both badass.

LoS
December 05, 2010, 03:00 PM
somewhere between the last FT arc

What? Seriously, the Edolas arc was quite possibly the worst arc of this story, that or the Oracion Seis arc. They were both very poor.

k-dom
December 05, 2010, 03:07 PM
guys it mentioned makarovs retirement when makarov was speaking to the grave, thats what the text said in the border. I doubt hes dying before he retires.

It does not say retirement but resignation which can be completely different. Maybe it's more clear in the Japanese version

chess4
December 05, 2010, 04:09 PM
without gildartz and the others fairy tail is done for. gajelle is out. now lilly and wendy. also the mystogans fake pupil is down. its looking bad for fairy tail
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most of the arcs fairy tail loses a member and gain a member. charle's vision is a hint that someone is going to die. i hate to say but i think its markorov.

i dont think this arc will be the end of grimora heart. i think one of the seven kin will join fairy tail and zeref will be back to his old self.

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LoS
December 05, 2010, 06:32 PM
without gildartz and the others fairy tail is done for. gajelle is out. now lilly and wendy. also the mystogans fake pupil is down. its looking bad for fairy tail


Why does everyone keep saying this? Seriously, have you guys not read this story? Fairy Tail people get defeated and beaten down, yet somehow they get back up to fight again.

Why would it be any different for just this arc?

k-dom
December 05, 2010, 06:49 PM
Come to think of it, the mater with Ivan isn't solved yet, so Macarov can't die.. I guess.

In that case Hades and Macarov will just fight it out. Though his words at the beginning still worries me. Damnit, can't wait another 7 days for a chapter.. Why not now 3 chapters at once xD

I'm sorry but seems you'll have to be even more patient.
From mangastream twitt :
Im sure Ill be repeating this another 452 times but this weeks WSM was a double issue. This means NO FT and Ippo next week. Ippo coming soon
Sun Dec 05 13:20:46 +0000 2010

chess4
December 05, 2010, 06:49 PM
Why does everyone keep saying this? Seriously, have you guys not read this story? Fairy Tail people get defeated and beaten down, yet somehow they get back up to fight again.

Why would it be any different for just this arc?

the reason i think fairy tail will lose this battle is for 2 reasons. i think grimore heart will not be done away with after this arc. i think they will survive. usually most antogonist suffer one great loss and i think this will be it for fairy tail.

no way this ends well for them. i think its over for markorov. even more so after this chapter

his death will be grand just like the 3rd hokage in naruto and Whitebeard in one piece

LoS
December 05, 2010, 08:25 PM
I have no problem with them losing, I was saying don't count out Gazille, Wendy, and Mest to make another appearance and put up a fight.

karamm
December 05, 2010, 08:46 PM
I cant help but think that Makarov might be taken out by a huge attack from their ship. Based on what Makarov said, I think he's prepared to die or will die..I certainly hope he wont.

Lectro Volpi
December 05, 2010, 10:04 PM
Nice chapter indeed!

Makarov threw away the Hawaiian shirt so he is close to death. It was a nice touch to see the GH guild shit their pants at the sight, the old man is tough!

I don't like Urtear's battle outfit, looks like a damn astronaut.


Bah. Where's Gildartz when you need him?

Protecting the plot.

Gildartz and Makarov = Balam Aliance

dellsdatkid
December 05, 2010, 10:56 PM
My thoughts

~ I think the 7 kin will head to the island while Makarov and Hades fight.

~ The hand in Charle's is Lucy's. (I don't think she will die but she might get seriously hurt, Cana will feel responsible and Natsu will cry because she's his partner.

~ Fairy Tail will defeat most of GH, but I think Zeref and Ultear will escape.

~ As for Makarov he will step down as guild master and give the job to Gildarts, later in the manga Raven Tail would attack them and Makarov will come back to deal with his son.

Zatono
December 05, 2010, 10:58 PM
Meldy really seems different this chapter. Just go back and look at her eyes, its like she's a whole different person thanks to a different facial expression.

ghostexiled
December 05, 2010, 11:07 PM
I don't think the 7 kin are really "numbered" here... I read somewhere that someone thinks so. So whatever # you think they are... doesn't mean anything strength wise.

These are not Espadas from Bleach.

They are just members of GH that happen to be called the "7 kin".

I think that Gildartz will be the first to go against Zeref (when he is awakened) and will most likely lose.

Libra The Scale
December 06, 2010, 12:23 AM
Meldy really seems different this chapter. Just go back and look at her eyes, its like she's a whole different person thanks to a different facial expression.

Yeah. I guess there's a chance where she'll turn out good. Here are my other predictions:

- There's a good chance Makarov will die.
- Mest might become a member of Fairy Tail.
- Cana's mystery has something to do with someone dying. I don't think it's Makarov though.
- Ultear and Gray will fight?
- This is going to be one sad, breath-taking arc.

Now why doesn't Makarov use Fairy Law?

elitefox
December 06, 2010, 02:52 AM
Nice chapter indeed!

Makarov threw away the Hawaiian shirt so he is close to death. It was a nice touch to see the GH guild shit their pants at the sight, the old man is tough!

I don't like Urtear's battle outfit, looks like a damn astronaut.



Protecting the plot.

Gildartz and Makarov = Balam Aliance


Yeah She just remove her greatest magic/asset :oh

anyways, what does she plan to do? get a mask again :p maybe an astronaut helmet will complete her outfit, she is the only one who change clothes :eyeroll
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Yeah. I guess there's a chance where she'll turn out good. Here are my other predictions:

- There's a good chance Makarov will die.
- Mest might become a member of Fairy Tail.
- Cana's mystery has something to do with someone dying. I don't think it's Makarov though.
- Ultear and Gray will fight?
- This is going to be one sad, breath-taking arc.

Now why doesn't Makarov use Fairy Law?

maybe it can only be use once a year :D

WTF is the problem with a giant? almost all of them fights giant creatures, what is the startle?

BlackHair
December 06, 2010, 05:02 AM
Now why doesn't Makarov use Fairy Law?'Cause that is hax and thus a plot breaking move. It falls into PIS (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2163155&postcount=144).


Gildartz and Makarov = Balam Aliance Damn right :P

Gats
December 06, 2010, 05:04 AM
Hades doesn't seem very surprised by Makarov after realising it is him, I can only guess he has something very useful against him. It's highly possible that Makarov would fall on another trick and be unable to fight, again ?
Unless he is just too arrogant.

Fê - forever alone
December 06, 2010, 05:32 AM
I think Hades got scared when he saw Makarov, and that smile was just because he recognized him - and by the way I see - this indicates that the two are old acquaintances, or had some kind of relationship in the past, like they used to be friends or something. I don't know, don't wanna put much thought on that, yet.

But I think this will be a beautiful struggle, I hope a lot of sadness and sentimentalism during this arc.

ghostexiled
December 06, 2010, 05:41 AM
I love how everyone seems to think that Makrov can just go around "Fairy Law-ing" everything away.

He hasn't even been given any proper time to do anything other than grow huge...

You guys must think the minute something goes wrong... he can and should just Fairy Law it.

Give the story a chance to progress some and allow some info to be known, before whining about how Makrov isn't doing his super move.

It most likely a move that drains the hell outta him... meaning it is a last measure type move.

Or there is a limit to how many times a person can use it.

Patience people... patience.

chess4
December 06, 2010, 05:56 AM
I have no problem with them losing, I was saying don't count out Gazille, Wendy, and Mest to make another appearance and put up a fight.

gazille is done, but wendy and mest still can fight

swordsaintscoot
December 06, 2010, 06:23 AM
He needs to identify his enemies to be able to use Fairy Law. He hasn't seen his enemies yet, at best he's seen their ship.

chess4
December 06, 2010, 07:23 AM
so lets look at match ups

i think natsu will fight against the explosive guy(name escapes me)

urtear vs grey

loki vs the camel guy

markorov vs hades

everyone else is a toss up. fairy tail has 2 s ranked mages left so that a big plus for them.

i think if natsu jumps in, then wendy and mest will be ok 2 fight later on.

fairy tail has enough members on the island to put up a good fight.

zeref is the trump card. he seems not to be all that bad but if he reawakings its over.
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fairy tail is really up against the wall. they have been ambushed mt grimoire heart, the council is after them, they still gotta save laxus, and who knows whats up with the dragon slayer conspiracy.


im glad a started reading fairy tail.

Zehahaha
December 06, 2010, 08:15 AM
I'm still not impressed by these Grimmoire Heart guys. Especially the explosion dude, why am i thinking that Natsu will kick his ass (not easily, but still)

But the best thing in this chapter is probably Makarov. He's truly a monster.

4StepsAhead
December 06, 2010, 08:58 AM
Nice chapter. I just have a few ideas

~I don't see Natsu losing to the explosion guy but maybe one of the other kin will interupt their fight.

~ I think Urtear actually hates her mom for dieing and thinks that her mom was weak that's why she died. So she actually joined GH so she could track down Zeref and kill him herself to prove that she is alot stronger than her mom. Hence the reason why she doesn't want anyone to call her by the name Ur

~I feel FT will lose this battle, but before anyone else is killed the first master Mavis will intervene and either teleport GH off the island or save the Fairy Tail memebers.

~As for the person that might die wouldn't it be cool if it was just Lucy's Gemini key that was made to look like someone died to fool GH? My bet would be Makarov master after he gets wounded from Hades!

~It would be nice if Gild Artz came back into to fight Master Hades when Makarov gets defeated.

Yashie
December 06, 2010, 09:42 AM
People, hello? this is FAIRY TAIL we're talking about here. None of the main, important characters die. Makarov is NOT going to die, Mashima needs him to face-off against a certain Ivan. That whole Ivan-Makarov-Laxus bit is still in our future. Maybe Hades is just grinnin' cause he thinks he can take Makarov down. Self confidence. And I do think the first Master of Fairy Tail's spirit (or ghost, or memory) will somehow step in when things start to sour.

Altogether, I just can't freakin wait!! Wish we get another triple-chapter :)

chess4
December 06, 2010, 01:49 PM
People, hello? this is FAIRY TAIL we're talking about here. None of the main, important characters die. Makarov is NOT going to die, Mashima needs him to face-off against a certain Ivan. That whole Ivan-Makarov-Laxus bit is still in our future. Maybe Hades is just grinnin' cause he thinks he can take Makarov down. Self confidence. And I do think the first Master of Fairy Tail's spirit (or ghost, or memory) will somehow step in when things start to sour.

Altogether, I just can't freakin wait!! Wish we get another triple-chapter :)

well sometimes the arthor does things they usually dont do. take one piece(well thats if you read it) markorov is the best but whats wrong if he dies. gildartz is there to bring back laxus, remeber he hates Ivan as well.

i meqnt its been hinted at many times that markorov wants to retire, i think gildartz will get back just in time to seem him fall and while everyone is gathered around, he will tell gildartz to lead fairy tail.

exacta
December 06, 2010, 02:04 PM
I have no problem with them losing, I was saying don't count out Gazille, Wendy, and Mest to make another appearance and put up a fight.

The main reason I feel like Fairy Tail will lose is because Grimoire Heart is launching an attack when they've barely been developed. And also because the low-level grunts nearly killed Gazille. Gazille is pretty effed up right now, plus he even got a flashback. I feel like he's been given enough attention for now, though I would not mind more.And the hype around the Seven Kin is huge, plus Azuma did away with three characters with great ease.

Also, something about Grimoire Heart makes me feel like they're extremely important antagonists, moreso than any we've had before, especially since their introduction is coming along with the part of the plot that involves Zeref. And something about Hades strikes me as extremely ominous. The fact that he knows Makarov makes me think he's important too.

Edolas was awesome I thought. Oracion Seis arc was god-awful. The Fairy Festivals last 7 chapters killed that arc. Tower of Heaven arc was ehhhhh. And I really like Fairy Tail now, but as much as I do, personally I thought Rave was just....horrible lol.

ZERO PHOENIX
December 06, 2010, 03:16 PM
Unless Gildartz and Mirajane get into the action, I don't see Fairy Tail winning this battle. Like you said, Gazille, one of the most powerful mages in Fairy Tail was already put on the shelf by some low level grunts from Grimoire Heart. With that in mind, I don't see Natsu fairing much better against any of the higher ranking members.

Erza can bring the hurt but I'd say she can only take down two members of Grimoire Heart at the most. Makarov going all out at the beginning of the fight, some of you are actually getting your hopes up. Umm, didn't this happen during the battle against Phantom? And wasn't Makarov the first one to be put on the shelf? Come on people, it doesn't take much genre savvy to know how this is going to turn out.

Given that Zeref hasn't become the big baddie he later will, I'm guessing that he's going to be the one to save Fairy Tail during this battle. Either he'll force Grimoire Heart to retreat by himself, or Fairy Tail will be on their last legs and Zeref offers to go with Grimoire Heart if they spare Fairy Tail. Fairy Tail regroups, recovers their strength, tries to rescue Zeref who by now is by experimenting on by Grimoire Heart who are aiming to bring out his true power. Fairy Tail shows up, wrecks shop, but by this time master Hades has drawn out Zeref's power and hopes to use it for himself. Unfortunately he also draws out Zeref's inner evil, Zeref kills Hades along with any remaining members of Grimoire Heart and sets his sights on Fairy Tail. Everyone gets owned, Natsu beats Zeref. Next arc!

Lee-tyme7
December 06, 2010, 05:45 PM
It looks like GH will be a tough challenge for the FT. Azuma took out all 4 people with ease, including a battleship. Makarov make his move but is he strong enough to take on the whole GH guild? It would be cool if Guildartz return to the Island to help but that would be too predictable. Maybe FT first master will somehow show up to help the gang. Considering Makarov did give a hint that he might still be alive and resting on the island. How? Meditating prolong his life. XD

Kuzumikun
December 06, 2010, 06:58 PM
Lucy and Cana will battle while still on their swimsuits. Meldy is lesbo so she'll submit at once. LOL.

LOL...anyways
awhh wendy!!!
dude lets hope makrov doesnt die...;-[ ill be sad lol
can't wait to see who lucy fights!

chess4
December 06, 2010, 07:00 PM
i hope natsu does fight azuma for one reason. gildartz barely put up a fight against natsu and natsu couldnt do anything. at least if natsu fights azuma we can get some type of idea how pwerful they are

ca12nag3
December 06, 2010, 07:32 PM
I think that well see some serious powering up in this arc, simply cause it seems these GH mages are of a whole different league.
Perhaps the founder of FT will somehow give those destined to have great power a unlock or w/e opening up their potential. (see it as what Guru did for Dende,Gohan & Krilin in the Frieza saga when all looked hopeless)

So i suspect Makarov to do some major pwnage but still lose, then the founder of FT is a spirit or somehow speaks from the afterlife i dunno but he will power up the main heroes ;)

just a theory! :P

swordsaintscoot
December 06, 2010, 07:48 PM
A theory usually has a plausible basis though...

Just because Makarov said 'resting' doesn't mean Mavis is alive. Ever heard of the term R.I.P. Rest in peace. I certainly hope that you're not saying every tombstone in existence is implying that the deceased are still among us?

ca12nag3
December 06, 2010, 08:41 PM
No im not saying he is alive but there is also the possibilty that he left something to be used only under certain conditions. Other then that you never know what will happen in FT.

Another *still alive* would be anoying yes, we have Lisanna,Zeref and Gerard all presumed dead but miraculasly still alive.

So on 1 hand yes dead is dead, on the other hand the author keeps bringing back presumed dead people...

Zoro #1
December 06, 2010, 10:34 PM
Unless Gildartz and Mirajane get into the action, I don't see Fairy Tail winning this battle. Like you said, Gazille, one of the most powerful mages in Fairy Tail was already put on the shelf by some low level grunts from Grimoire Heart. With that in mind, I don't see Natsu fairing much better against any of the higher ranking members.

Erza can bring the hurt but I'd say she can only take down two members of Grimoire Heart at the most. Makarov going all out at the beginning of the fight, some of you are actually getting your hopes up. Umm, didn't this happen during the battle against Phantom? And wasn't Makarov the first one to be put on the shelf? Come on people, it doesn't take much genre savvy to know how this is going to turn out.

Given that Zeref hasn't become the big baddie he later will, I'm guessing that he's going to be the one to save Fairy Tail during this battle. Either he'll force Grimoire Heart to retreat by himself, or Fairy Tail will be on their last legs and Zeref offers to go with Grimoire Heart if they spare Fairy Tail. Fairy Tail regroups, recovers their strength, tries to rescue Zeref who by now is by experimenting on by Grimoire Heart who are aiming to bring out his true power. Fairy Tail shows up, wrecks shop, but by this time master Hades has drawn out Zeref's power and hopes to use it for himself. Unfortunately he also draws out Zeref's inner evil, Zeref kills Hades along with any remaining members of Grimoire Heart and sets his sights on Fairy Tail. Everyone gets owned, Natsu beats Zeref. Next arc!

Wait really natsu not taking out a single guy:oh:blink I know he is not an S-Class mage but the guy is stupidly strong I would put him on the same level as Erza, I know that all his battle he got some kind of power boost from someone but there is still a possibility of him awakening Dragon Force and whooping some GH ass.;)

I like the last theory but why Zerf's intervention???? the first master of FT can make his appearance also, I mean I really wanna see the first man who started FT same as in naruto or One Piece the 1st Hokage and Roger were pioneers of their time, so why not show the big guy and tell us about some history of FT, who knows we might just get some info on the natsu and the other dragon slayers, maybe all the guilds might have had Dragon Slayers that they have been protecting and keeping safe for generations.

elitefox
December 06, 2010, 10:36 PM
so lets look at match ups

i think natsu will fight against the explosive guy(name escapes me)

urtear vs grey

loki vs the camel guy

markorov vs hades

everyone else is a toss up. fairy tail has 2 s ranked mages left so that a big plus for them.

i think if natsu jumps in, then wendy and mest will be ok 2 fight later on.

fairy tail has enough members on the island to put up a good fight.

zeref is the trump card. he seems not to be all that bad but if he reawakings its over.
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fairy tail is really up against the wall. they have been ambushed mt grimoire heart, the council is after them, they still gotta save laxus, and who knows whats up with the dragon slayer conspiracy.


im glad a started reading fairy tail.


hmm I think all the 7 kins are S-class mage so it might not be a good match for some except if loki is an S-class mage or close to it.

what if the 7 kin is as powerful as erza/gildarts.

wth did gildarts, runeboy go... oh well I guess a little thrill would be good.

Zoro #1
December 06, 2010, 10:38 PM
A theory usually has a plausible basis though...

Just because Makarov said 'resting' doesn't mean Mavis is alive. Ever heard of the term R.I.P. Rest in peace. I certainly hope that you're not saying every tombstone in existence is implying that the deceased are still among us?

Yeah but now you basing it to real life situation, Zerf had been presumed dead but he is still alive. So why not the 1st master of FT. In the manga we have crazy magic and all the things going so why is it hard to at least think or believe that the Mavis might be alive in some manner.

elitefox
December 06, 2010, 10:38 PM
Nice chapter. I just have a few ideas

~I don't see Natsu losing to the explosion guy but maybe one of the other kin will interupt their fight.

~ I think Urtear actually hates her mom for dieing and thinks that her mom was weak that's why she died. So she actually joined GH so she could track down Zeref and kill him herself to prove that she is alot stronger than her mom. Hence the reason why she doesn't want anyone to call her by the name Ur

~I feel FT will lose this battle, but before anyone else is killed the first master Mavis will intervene and either teleport GH off the island or save the Fairy Tail memebers.

~As for the person that might die wouldn't it be cool if it was just Lucy's Gemini key that was made to look like someone died to fool GH? My bet would be Makarov master after he gets wounded from Hades!

~It would be nice if Gild Artz came back into to fight Master Hades when Makarov gets defeated.


she was already gone even before ul got his students thus maybe she is likely a bad person or she just been kidnap and brainwashed :darn

Zoro #1
December 06, 2010, 10:43 PM
Off Topic: Was it ever said or hinted if the final form of Dragon Slayer magic to to completely transform your body to a dragon constitution?????
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she was already gone even before ul got his students thus maybe she is likely a bad person or she just been kidnap and brainwashed :darn

Maybe her dad was a former member or current member of GH or some other dark guild and she just chose to follow his path, you never know, or hades might also had kidnapped her as a kid and raised her for his grand plan, I mean she knows the lost time magic.

ocajavati
December 07, 2010, 03:12 AM
Yeah... I don't see how this could end well for Makarov.

The plot can't really move forward without him failing in some sense.

Come on, let's see Makarov kick some behind!

Some great tragedy is bound to happen on the island, as predicted by Charlie. Worst thing that could possibly happen would be Makarov's unfortunate downfall.

Seriously, where the hell is Gildartz? How can he not sense all this going on when he had only just left?

elitefox
December 07, 2010, 03:14 AM
With her current clothes

she won't fit as Lust anymore, and with her temper... she might be wrath XD

BlackHair
December 07, 2010, 03:18 AM
Rather than seeing Macarov getting defeated, it would be better if he was imprisoned, like those water prison technique which was used on Kakashi during the fight with Zabuza. As soon as he is out of that prison, Hades will meet his end or sth like that.


Like you said, Gazille, one of the most powerful mages in Fairy Tail was already put on the shelf by some low level grunts from Grimoire Heart. With that in mind, I don't see Natsu fairing much better against any of the higher ranking members.I think that has no meaning at all. Just cause Gazelle was equally matched with fodder, doesn't make Natsu or Gazelle inferior to the kins. Infact Natsu has the advantage, since Azuma seems to use explosions as his offensive attacks. Furthermore Gazelle will make a comeback and win a fight against a kin. After reading so many manga, that is the typical cliche scenario which is most likely to happen in my eyes. Just like Gazelle's cliche power-up while fighting those two fodder.

LoS
December 07, 2010, 04:15 AM
Rather than seeing Macarov getting defeated, it would be better if he was imprisoned, like those water prison technique which was used on Kakashi during the fight with Zabuza. As soon as he is out of that prison, Hades will meet his end or sth like that.

This would be completely redundant. It has already happened before in this very manga. That is what the Fantasia arc was all about with Luxus. Makarov imprisoned with nothing he could do to protect his guild members.

Wont happen again

Yashie
December 07, 2010, 04:28 AM
This would be completely redundant. It has already happened before in this very manga. That is what the Fantasia arc was all about with Luxus. Makarov imprisoned with nothing he could do to protect his guild members.

Wont happen again

Makarov goes down, taking some 4 of the Kin with him. Natsu and the rest of FT clean up the rest of the kin and then Mavis's spirit magically enters and takes care of Hades

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Why's Zeref wanting to "be stopped" ? He was sad when he thought Natsu couldn't kill him. Maybe he'll turn against GH and help FT

BlackHair
December 07, 2010, 04:35 AM
This would be completely redundant. It has already happened before in this very manga. That is what the Fantasia arc was all about with Luxus. Makarov imprisoned with nothing he could do to protect his guild members.

Wont happen againActually it kinda happened twice already, so I wouldn't outrule a third repetition. But hopefully Hades and Macarov will fight it out, with Hades having sth prepared already which would give him the advantage. While they are fighting, the Kins will face FT.

I think Zeref will play a major role in this battle. His actions will decide the war.

Koen
December 07, 2010, 09:18 AM
I wonder why people are having it difficult if Makarov were to die. I think that this arc is more serious than some people believe it is. This arc shouldn't be taken light-hearted. Why?
1. That boy/zeref issue is serious deal
2. The vision that Charle had, didn't look promising
3. Gildartz who gave Natsu a very important message when they faced each other
4. Makarov standing in front of FT founder's grave.

I don't know but I think that in this arc, some serious, awful things are going to happen

ZERO PHOENIX
December 07, 2010, 10:02 AM
1) I didn't say Natsu wouldn't take out a single guy. I'm sure he'll take out two without a doubt, but given what little we've seen so far GH is no joke. If even their scrubs could wipe the floor with Gazelle then FT has a BIG problem. Natsu is strong but no one should dare consider Gazelle a lightweight. We're talking about a guy who took one of Luxus blasts at point blank range and walked away to complete a job. On top of that, were it not for Gazelle's intervention Luxus would have killed Natsu. I'm not saying Natsu is weak, rather I am saying that given the history between himself and Gazelle their strength is comporable.

2) I'm counting on Zeref's intervention because it's formulaic. Right now he's just a kid who can't control his powers. He'll spend x amount of time trying to get the good guys to kill him in order to avert a terrible future only for the good guys to convince him that he controls his power and his destiny rather than the reverse. The bad guys tell him something else, causes him to use his powers to hurt the good guys, he falls into cognitive dissonance. He spends the next chapter or so brooding before making a stand to take control of his own destiny, helps the good guys and saves the day. The current Zeref is a carbon copy of every misunderstood emotional darkhorse that came before him. Of course master Mavis' spirit saving the day is equally plausible, I just went with Zeref because it seems more likely to happen.

kkck
December 07, 2010, 10:15 AM
I think makarov and hades are for the most part going to take each other out leaving the kids to do the fighting. GH's objective is only to retrieve zeref though so we really should not expect that much lol.

chess4
December 07, 2010, 04:41 PM
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/30527037/11

look at zeref's eyes. i think he has regained his former self. someone is dead. enough to have natsu and cana crying. erza, lucy, lisanna, grey, gazille, the cats, wendy are all 2 important to the story to die, and the ohter fairy tail members that are present on the island are not important enough to die. im sure they wouldnt be crying for grimoire heart. the only conclusion is markorov is the one killed. the will bury him beside mavis.

fairy tail hasnt taken a loss yet in any arc. marorov is a great leader and deserves and end protecting his children like the other great leaders in other manga

the 3rd hokage(naruto)

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-137/page019.html

and Whitebeard(one piece)
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-576/page014.html

the new crop must stand firm. they cant do it with markorov always protecting them. this will be the turining point in the manga

ghostexiled
December 07, 2010, 07:17 PM
Lets please not start discussing other mangas in this thread... please stay on topic with this chapter and predictions for the future of the series.

Thank you!

swordsaintscoot
December 08, 2010, 01:04 AM
I'm going to reiterate for the point of argument that Gazille didn't get destroyed. Their battle was a draw, but let's look at why. And reasonings for why their fodder is still fodder.
1) Gazille was caught off guard. Enemies on Fairy Tail's island would sure be surprising. GH has a battle plan. FT didn't.
2) Gazille was caught off guard in another way too. The swordsman could penetrate his scales due to his SWORDS abilities.
3) This meant that Gazille was 'disadvantaged' merely because the swordsman had effective techniques vs a dragon slayer/Gazille.
4) It was 2 vs 1. The only reason the swordsman got that damaging blow on to Gazille was because the chicken attacked him and left him open.
5) The chicken was quite useless...Now assuming that he and the swordsman are on similar levels, then they are truly fodder, again I bring up the point the only reason the swordsman seemed superior was his advantage in magic.
6) Levi's magic is not suited for battle, but she was able to use her script magic to negate the swordsmans own script magic, and also able to use her magic to fend off an attack from the chicken guy.

All of those point to them being a lot weaker than FT, but with a plan, an advantage, the element of surprise.

LucilleHime
December 08, 2010, 07:09 AM
i agree with swordsaintscoot. i dont think GH's fodder are that strong. Gazille only got wounded because he wasn't expecting a sword to cut through his scales. his normal fighting style to counter this kind of sword attack would be to just deflect the attack with his scales, however that sword was able to pierce him, that's why he was badly injured. after he found that out, he tried a different strategy, but he was already deeply wounded.

if it was another character, like natsu, he would just dodge the sword, and if it was erza, she would just fight back with a sword of her own. i dont think that fodder's sword skills are anywhere near erza's.

p1xel
December 08, 2010, 09:29 AM
Makarov goes down, taking some 4 of the Kin with him. Natsu and the rest of FT clean up the rest of the kin and then Mavis's spirit magically enters and takes care of Hades

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Why's Zeref wanting to "be stopped" ? He was sad when he thought Natsu couldn't kill him. Maybe he'll turn against GH and help FT

Interesting point. But I don`t think that he will want to fight with anyone. He just wants to die so he will probably try to get killed by GH or something. I hope we will get the story of Zeref past.

Azgarath
December 09, 2010, 02:44 AM
Very random prediction: The one to "kill" "Zeref" will be the new container/new Zeref. Hence,the reason why he wants Natsu to kill him. Death cannot be killed but it will be passed around like a plague. Hades will end up killing Zeref and become the new "Zeref". Then we will have a villain equivalent to Marvel's "Onslaught/Apocalypse".

pestrofa
December 09, 2010, 03:04 AM
i think that weird kin(i cant remember his name)with the crazy eyes has the fire dragon slayer lacrima(if it exists)

Yashie
December 09, 2010, 03:24 AM
i think that weird kin(i cant remember his name)with the crazy eyes has the fire dragon slayer lacrima(if it exists)

OMG nice!! Did not occur to me! It'll be a showdown against the Fire DragonSlayers, that would be aweshumaweshum. OF course, it's far-fetched, but still.

ghostexiled
December 09, 2010, 03:31 AM
^that theory has been talked about to death.

I think it would be better if it was something less predictable than that... cause if it is fire vs fire, the fight would never end.

Cause they would just keep eating each others fire. :)

Yashie
December 09, 2010, 07:01 AM
^that theory has been talked about to death.

I think it would be better if it was something less predictable than that... cause if it is fire vs fire, the fight would never end.

Cause they would just keep eating each others fire. :)


But after a while they'd realize that and start using their fists, and stuff.

ghostexiled
December 09, 2010, 07:57 AM
Well given that Natsu is pretty famous as in itself and known as a Fire Wizard if not a straight up DS... then you can bet that the members of GH know of him as well.

So what I am getting at is there is no point in "realizing" Natsu is a Fire wizard for Zancrow... he would already know.

Plus Azuma has powers that are similar to "Fire" for there to be another member in the 7 Kin to have a fire based attack as well.

So IMO he is something other than fire or he will face off against someone else... because it would not be interesting for Zancrow and Natsu to have a full out fight with just their fists.

Plus the fact that it looks like Natsu is about to fight Azuma... it would be not very entertaining going from one fire guy to the next.

I vote that Zancrow fights Gazille (if he bounces back) or Gray... for the ice vs fire (if Zancrow has fire powers).

Zatono
December 09, 2010, 06:36 PM
Why should Natsu even have to fight a fire mage though? I mean, that just seems unfair for his opponent unless some kind of hax comes about like Natsu saying "Damnit, I can't eat that fire" or something.

swordsaintscoot
December 09, 2010, 06:54 PM
Why should Natsu even have to fight a fire mage though? I mean, that just seems unfair for his opponent unless some kind of hax comes about like Natsu saying "Damnit, I can't eat that fire" or something.

because if he doesnt eat an enemies fire frmo time to time his purpose as a 'fire' dragon slayer is rendered useless lol.

Zoro #1
December 09, 2010, 07:18 PM
I want natsu to fight someone that doesn't uses fire or explosion based attacks, because then people start saying that it was unfair that he could eat and power up because of his opponent's ability, What i really want to see is natsu using dragon force again and giving us more detail on the ability.

swordsaintscoot
December 09, 2010, 07:38 PM
I want natsu to fight someone that doesn't uses fire or explosion based attacks, because then people start saying that it was unfair that he could eat and power up because of his opponent's ability, What i really want to see is natsu using dragon force again and giving us more detail on the ability.

you might want to make up your mind on what you want more then. each time natsu's dragon forced it's because he's eaten something powerful

first time it was aetherion and the second time it was the flame of rebuuke.

ironically both times Gerard triggered it for natsu.

Zoro #1
December 09, 2010, 08:02 PM
you might want to make up your mind on what you want more then. each time natsu's dragon forced it's because he's eaten something powerful

first time it was aetherion and the second time it was the flame of rebuuke.

ironically both times Gerard triggered it for natsu.

Yes, but that doesn't mean that he would have to use something else to increase his power and use dragon force, it might just be that Natsu was not at the level where his body could produce or tap into the power he has in store, but forcing energy into his body may have been the reason that forcefully activated his ability, So there might be other ways that he can willfully activate dragon force without getting any outside help.

On topic: Why is Ur. wearing a fully body suit:notrust I was thinking more of short clothes, but guess at least they are skin tight

swordsaintscoot
December 09, 2010, 08:31 PM
I'm predicting that she uses a special type of armour/clothing for a real battle. By doing this she can probably speed up, stop, and slow down her own battle suit to forcefully increase her body's own speed.

Yashie
December 09, 2010, 10:13 PM
Major point. Just because Natsu can eat the flames of the explosion from the Azuma guy, does NOT mean that he's not gonna get hurt from the blast itself. Consider also the shrapnel of rocks, tree bits etc.
Natsu has an advantage, yes but NOT such a big huge advantage, as is being discussed.

Unlucky Boy
December 10, 2010, 03:05 AM
^ That's true. Remember how Natsu was almost beaten by Totomaru? (the fire guy of the element 4), he was saved by Gray and Elfman. So he's not always at advantage against fire mages.

and before anyone starts asking- last week was a double issue so no chapter this week.

LoS
December 10, 2010, 04:06 AM
To be fair, the manga did convey perfectly well that Natsu's willpower was greater than that element 4's control over Natsu's fire. The thing that created the disadvantage was the moving guild.

Robian
December 10, 2010, 11:10 AM
If i remember corectly than Urtears magic time arc worked only on objects not on living beings so Urtear can't herself travel in future or past. And so she can't be younger Ur. But she obviously have a master who teach her lost magic like dragonslayers learn from dragons. It could me Hades. He first was visible on chair from bones so he could use similar magic.

ca12nag3
December 10, 2010, 11:58 AM
your just talking about 1 spell she used vs Natsu, ofc you can only use 1 spell at a time. Thus when Natsu figured out she was moving the ball out of time he was able to counter it.

Take the orion seis dude that was able to repell, he could only cover 1 place at a time.

So we know to little of Ultears magic to just rule out the possibilty it can be used on people.
Also what i said earlier about the time travel idea is that she failed or at least messed up so she ends up far back in time.

And ruling out possibilities merely on the usage of 1 spell?

swordsaintscoot
December 10, 2010, 01:19 PM
your just talking about 1 spell she used vs Natsu, ofc you can only use 1 spell at a time. Thus when Natsu figured out she was moving the ball out of time he was able to counter it.

Take the orion seis dude that was able to repell, he could only cover 1 place at a time.

So we know to little of Ultears magic to just rule out the possibilty it can be used on people.
Also what i said earlier about the time travel idea is that she failed or at least messed up so she ends up far back in time.

And ruling out possibilities merely on the usage of 1 spell?

you're wrong because she's said herself her magic can only be used on objects. we're not pointlessly ruling out something that could be possible, we're ruling out something that she's said is not possible

Rowel
December 10, 2010, 10:45 PM
By MangaStream

A reminder to all FT and Ippo fans. Last weeks issue was a double issue. So no chapters this week.

This is fact!! Please do not start posting any agony posts! ~Ghost

ca12nag3
December 11, 2010, 01:11 PM
you're wrong because she's said herself her magic can only be used on objects. we're not pointlessly ruling out something that could be possible, we're ruling out something that she's said is not possible

Taking on the impossible is what makes manga interesting, if you want to read something thats within the boundries of the rules perhaps donald duck is more fun?

Being hit by etherion should kill u, yet Natsu, Erza and Gerard are still alive. < how is this possible?
Natsu fights characters stronger better and faster then him all the time yet he wins, cause he either finds a way or he gains a powerboost, remember vs Erigor he should be weaker cause in rule wind>fire, still he overcame it and won.

Another fact is Ultear isnt known for honnesty, she lied to Gerard and the council. Also why would she tell her enemy everything about her magic at all time. Another thing is she fought him on half her strength.

Im not saying her magic can be used on humans/living things. Also you dont know if something is impossible unless you tried, how do you think we invented airplanes? < trying?

comming back to my idea.
So what if she tried to use it on herself and gets slingshot into the past?

swordsaintscoot
December 11, 2010, 02:05 PM
Well, taking on the impossible would be different to simply lying. If she somehow discovered that she can work it on people since telling Natsu that she couldn't it'd be more believable then.

I don't like it when a story simply says 'they lied', because that's known as a retcon. A retcon is doing the exact opposite of what you said was possible, or what happened, and that doesn't sit right with me.

Robian
December 11, 2010, 03:49 PM
If we look on how Urtear uses her magic than she can manipulate objects time with just wave of her hand. She can broke, restore even stop object in time. If she could use her magic on living beings than she could destroy anyone who is near her with just one wave of hand. Why then Zeref is needed? Besides traveling in future or past is also traveling in space not ony in time. In manga then she send rock in future it just moved faster.

ca12nag3
December 11, 2010, 04:51 PM
what im saying is not that she can use it as a propper weapon *sigh* What im saying is that she messes up and then ends up in the past > thus is Ul.

So actualy she failed w/e she wanted to do and result is she ends up there.

Never heard of a failed experiment?

Yashie
December 11, 2010, 10:40 PM
To be fair, the manga did convey perfectly well that Natsu's willpower was greater than that element 4's control over Natsu's fire. The thing that created the disadvantage was the moving guild.

"When two mages of similar nature combat, the outcome is decided by magical power, technical skill and more importantly, Heart"
I don't remember who said that though ...

Anyway, since Natsu's a DS, I'm going to assume his power is atleast comparable to that 7kin guy's and he has good technical skill. and he definitely wins in Heart. so if that 7kin person WAS a Fire DS, Natsu would still win.

kkck
December 12, 2010, 12:29 AM
I don't see any particular reason of why the seven kin would have an overwhelming advantage over FT as most people seem to believe. Certainly the 7 kin are powerful mages but are the mages in fairy island in any way not skilled? First of all, we have makarov who basically by himself accounts for half of FT's power. Then we have the s-class mages erza and mirajane. Lets remember erza is a brutal combatant who easily figured out how to defeat the strongest member of the oracion 6. Mirajane is supposed to be on the same level as erza. Natsu and Gazille could match either erza or mirajane when properly motivated IMO. Grey is almost on the same boat as the previous two. Jubia is a extremely accomplished mage and also had a rank equivalent to a s class mage when she was in phantom. Heck, if her partner had been someone other than lisana or her enemy someone less ruthless than erza she would have had a chance of becoming an s-class mage. Elfman and evergreen are probably a step short of most of the mages mentioned before but they are still fairly powerful. Lets also remember elfman took out a member of the element four quite easily which is no small feat. Lucy is a bit of a wildcard but her spirits make her very versatile, she shouldn't be underestimated. Wendy is not a fighter but she definitely is helpful. Her boosting abilities are relevant and her healing abilities seem nothing short of extraordinary. It is also worth noting that the amount of strong FT members is superior to the amount of strong GH members.

Lets also not forget that while Grimoire heart is for the most part going all out here, fairy tail does not have most of its military strength in the island. Most of FT strongest members are in the island but lets not forget gildarts, fried and bixlow already left. Gildart is a brutally powerful mage, that goes without saying.

I even doubt that asuma is as strong as gildarts as some people have said. Gildarts was able to school natsu quite easily however when it can to a physical confrontation it did not seem as if asuma had that an easy time with lily.

The way I see it, GH and FT should be roughly even for the most part. I do think the fact that GH is prepared for this fight while FT has been taken by surprise will play a part though.

swordsaintscoot
December 12, 2010, 01:08 AM
I agree with the above. Finally glad to see someone agree with me on this. I especially liked your point about how Gildartz > Natsu > Panther Lily means that Azuma's small 'issue' with Lily makes Gildartz > Azuma.

kkck
December 12, 2010, 02:16 AM
Well, in all fairness the magical aspect might go different but I do doubt asuma is of the same quality as gildarts in the end. Seriously, how would asuma be defeated if he is on the same level as someone who schooled natsu that easily. Seriously, would even erza or mirajane hold a candle against a foe of that magnitude? Gildarts is probably at least close to makarov and lets not forget makarov accounted for at least half of FT fighting capacity (and that included erza, natsu, grey and elfman) back in phantom lord arc. In that sense, I would think gildart's is too much of a beast for just members to match him for the most part. I would think gildarts is more along the lines of hades or other guild masters than the rest of the GH or regular guild members.

Yashie
December 12, 2010, 04:38 AM
Well, in all fairness the magical aspect might go different but I do doubt asuma is of the same quality as gildarts in the end. Seriously, how would asuma be defeated if he is on the same level as someone who schooled natsu that easily. Seriously, would even erza or mirajane hold a candle against a foe of that magnitude? Gildarts is probably at least close to makarov and lets not forget makarov accounted for at least half of FT fighting capacity (and that included erza, natsu, grey and elfman) back in phantom lord arc. In that sense, I would think gildart's is too much of a beast for just members to match him for the most part. I would think gildarts is more along the lines of hades or other guild masters than the rest of the GH or regular guild members.

Exactly!! The Seven Kin people are just as powerful, I bet, as the S-Class or the Element Four. Maybe every guild has a certain "name" for their superstrong Mages.

Somehow I doubt Gildartz will come back to fairy island. Moreover, GH must have some sort of hidden weapon against Makarov. He's a member of Seiten Daimyou and GH would definitely have come suitably prepared to take on a wizard of his magnitude.

Fê - forever alone
December 12, 2010, 06:35 AM
I think FT loses this first encounter with serious consequences. Zeref is captured/awaken and Makarov - or dies, or gets knocked out for the rest of the arc (personally, I think it would be better if he died. That would add more intensity and more drama to the plot). Then they would meet for a possible counterattack, and then yes to Gildartz, Fried, Bixlow, and perhaps even Luxus (by knowing the condition of his grandfather and trying to revenge GH).

But it still has the problem of magic council, perhaps Mest could intervene in some way to let FT free for a while, I don't know, I'm not good with any predictions, and don't like to do it either.

Well, this is just what I think will happen, and a little of what I wanted to happen.

I also think GH and FT are equivalent in terms of strength.

Yashie
December 13, 2010, 10:50 AM
[QUOTE=Fê - forever alone;2216232]I think FT loses this first encounter with serious consequences. Zeref is captured/awaken and Makarov - or dies, or gets knocked out for the rest of the arc (personally, I think it would be better if he died. That would add more intensity and more drama to the plot). Then they would meet for a possible counterattack, and then yes to Gildartz, Fried, Bixlow, and perhaps even Luxus (by knowing the condition of his grandfather and trying to revenge GH).

I still have this nagging, little doubt. No one (Except Simon) has actually died yet, in the whole of this Manga, right? You think Mashima'll kill off someone as major as Makarov?
((also personally I don't want the old man to die :P))

crazyrandomstreak
December 13, 2010, 10:55 AM
Theories reflected here are purely personal, may or may not be true, may have been disproved (i'm just not aware of it at the moment of typing.)

~Start~
Has anyone noticed how in a sense that Makarov always has that badge showing that he is one of the 10 wizard saints, Natsu always has that scarf (which has been proven to have some form of "power"). Now, hands up if you notice Gray always has that silver necklace on his neck, no matter how much he strips. (Have you EVER seen him without it?) The constantness (sorry, non-existing word) of its appearance (like Natsu's scarf, he is never seen without it ) leads me to think that necklace also has powers.

My bets goes on : Ur gave Gray the necklace before she died. (Notice as a kid, he didn't wear it.) So Gray always wears it. (hey isn't Natsu's scarf supposedly a gift from Igneel?)

This leads me to believe :
Urtear will get to Natsu before he can get to Azuma. Loke, Gray, Cana and Lucy will be trapped by Urtear while Natsu is fighting a losing battle with her. Gray will hold up Urtear, allowing Natsu and the others to proceed. They catch up with Mest, Wendy and Pantherlily. Natsu decides to challenge Azuma. He CANNOT EAT Azuma's flames. Why? in my opinion, it'll be like an overdose for him. Like Gajeel, he probably only can eat that much flames. Meanwhile, Gray *tries* to talk to Urtear, how its probably a misunderstanding. Ur didn't mean it blah blah blah. You get the point. Urtear will pretend for a bit, before (reference to Lyon vs Gray battle in Galuna Arc) telling him she ALREADY KNEW THAT. T.T poor Gray. i think he'll always try to be such a nice guy. So Gray realises that he has to fight her. Reference to Leon+ Gray VS Racer fight. He said ice could freeze even time right? I doubt he can render Urtear's magic useless, but probably enough to defeat her. 1st of the 7 kin gone, yay! (I think Gray is seriously underrated, in the TOH arc he defeated the owl head who was using Natsu's magic, think he's lots better that what a lotta people think. specially' coz of his constant necklace. :D)

Will be cont'd soon, assuming anyone even read this... my theories are queer, i know that, but i can't seem to do anything bout the way i think :D

Fê - forever alone
December 13, 2010, 11:26 AM
@Yashie


I know that in FT “there are no deaths”, but I can't secure that it won't happen any death. I mean, Simon has died, perhaps Makarov may die too.

I'm saying that I think I would like to see Makarov's death for the plot's sake. I mean: can you imagine how everybody would feel about it? How they would react? Can you imagine the consequences of his death?

Maybe Maka doesn't die yet, or won't die 'till the end, but the implications of his death would be very, very interesting, at least for me, lol.

Makarov has direct conections with almost all mysteries so far, with almost all mysterious characters. That's what prevents his death, I guess, but I think this is not quite true. I mean, these conections can be explained/explored later on, they don't need Makarov to talk about him.

Anyway, like I said, I think his death would be very important and interesting because it would affect the entere guild.

Zoro #1
December 13, 2010, 01:02 PM
@Yashie


I know that in FT “there are no deaths”, but I can't secure that it won't happen any death. I mean, Simon has died, perhaps Makarov may die too.

I'm saying that I think I would like to see Makarov's death for the plot's sake. I mean: can you imagine how everybody would feel about it? How they would react? Can you imagine the consequences of his death?

Maybe Maka doesn't die yet, or won't die 'till the end, but the implications of his death would be very, very interesting, at least for me, lol.

Makarov has direct conections with almost all mysteries so far, with almost all mysterious characters. That's what prevents his death, I guess, but I think this is not quite true. I mean, these conections can be explained/explored later on, they don't need Makarov to talk about him.

Anyway, like I said, I think his death would be very important and interesting because it would affect the entere guild.

Well there is still the question of his son, I want him to kick his son's ass. plus you are right about all the mysteries Makarov has a lot of connection with all mysteries, he might even know what happened to the dragons, plus it was him who found natsu, so there must be a reason behind how he found him and brought him back to the guild.

LoS
December 13, 2010, 04:24 PM
I don't know why everyone has been posting on and on about Makarov and his son Ivan. It has been built up fairly well for Ivan and Gildartz to duke it out. Gildartz and Ivan are roughly the same age, they were in the same generation when in the guild, Gildartz's enemy is Ivan, per his guild card. It all just fits too well for them not to square off.

swordsaintscoot
December 13, 2010, 04:50 PM
I think it'll be Laxus that defeats Ivan.

I think Ivan will defeat Gildartz.

Laxus will realise even more why Makarov expelled his dad, and finally somewhat overcome Gildartz as his superior.

Ero-Sanji
December 13, 2010, 05:29 PM
I don't know why everyone has been posting on and on about Makarov and his son Ivan. It has been built up fairly well for Ivan and Gildartz to duke it out. Gildartz and Ivan are roughly the same age, they were in the same generation when in the guild, Gildartz's enemy is Ivan, per his guild card. It all just fits too well for them not to square off.

This discussion has nothing to do with the recent chapter(s). But to clear the air let me explain why some of us see Makarov as Ivans target. The answer is simple, Ivan hates Makarov and clearly wants revenge. Ever read Naruto? Think of it as Sandaime, Oro and Jiraya(him being Gildartz). It doesn't matter if Gildartz hate Ivan, he's not Ivan's target, Makarov (and the entire guild) is.

LoS
December 13, 2010, 10:52 PM
Ivan hates Makarov and clearly wants revenge

You are just stating assumption here, don't state it as fact. We have seen Ivan once. His personality and demeanor is an aloof person. The reason he didn't remain at the guild is because he is inherently evil. His interest's and those of Fairy Tail did not align. If he knows secrets of the Fairy Tail guild of course he will exploit them for his own benefit, he stated as much when we saw him. He is out for himself, which is not one of Fairy Tail's mottos of friendship.

Clearly wants revenge, ummmm how did you even come up with this? Revenge for what, being tossed out of a "light" guild? None of these are even good reasons. As I pointed out above, the guy is out for himself, and is an evil man.

Sour grapes over getting tossed out, didn't seem to bother him enough from forming a dark guild. The guy has been expelled for close to a decade and he hasn't attacked anyone from Fairy Tail yet. Sure he wants to prove his ideals and goals are better than his father's, this is a common trope seen in many stories worldwide. Prove he is better than his father. If he wanted to strike down his father then he could have easily done so when he was sick, or wounded from the Phantom arc. The problem is, Mashima could(and will) have Ivan attack Fairy Tail and say something dumb like "the time wasn't right for me to kill Makarov."

swordsaintscoot
December 13, 2010, 10:55 PM
You are just stating assumption here, don't state it as fact. We have seen Ivan once. His personality and demeanor is an aloof person. The reason he didn't remain at the guild is because he is inherently evil. His interest's and those of Fairy Tail did not align. If he knows secrets of the Fairy Tail guild of course he will exploit them for his own benefit, he stated as much when we saw him. He is out for himself, which is not one of Fairy Tail's mottos of friendship.

Clearly wants revenge, ummmm how did you even come up with this? Revenge for what, being tossed out of a "light" guild? None of these are even good reasons. As I pointed out above, the guy is out for himself, and is an evil man.

Might have missed the bit where he's trying to use Gajeel as a spy?

LoS
December 13, 2010, 11:02 PM
Again, Fairy Tail has things he wants, he can attack them to steal their magical objects he desires for monetary gain.

Thing is, if he was dead set on revenge against his father, then the time to attack him was ripe a few arcs in the past. Like I said before, Mashima will probably have Makarov get taken out by Ivan via some sneak attack, but it won't be a great big old grand battle. That will be saved for Ivan vs. Gildartz.

ghostexiled
December 13, 2010, 11:12 PM
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Ero-Sanji
December 14, 2010, 01:19 AM
Again, Fairy Tail has things he wants, he can attack them to steal their magical objects he desires for monetary gain.

Thing is, if he was dead set on revenge against his father, then the time to attack him was ripe a few arcs in the past. Like I said before, Mashima will probably have Makarov get taken out by Ivan via some sneak attack, but it won't be a great big old grand battle. That will be saved for Ivan vs. Gildartz.

So you can state things as a fact but I can't? Come on, okey, let me use your own medicine. If Ivan wanted to attack Gildartz why didn't he do something when he was injured?

It's all about Mashima's own pace, it's clearly built up to be Ivan doing something to Makarov now this might be what triggers the Gildartz vs Ivan event. Seriously though, Ivan seems as a mad man obsessed with Fairy tail to even name his own guild after the guild he was banished from. Guess it runs in the family. But it doesn't even stop there since he also made contact to a spy. If his ordinary knowledge about Fairy tail was so vast we wouldn't have hired Gazille as his spy yet he did since he wants more.

EDIT:

http://www.mangareader.net/135-7232-5/fairy-tail/chapter-117.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7243-20/fairy-tail/chapter-128.html

As you can see Ivan is waiting for the right moment or perhaps I should say the right amount of money to crush Fairy tail.

LoS
December 14, 2010, 02:58 AM
So you can state things as a fact but I can't?

What are you on about? I said Ivan wants what Fairy Tail has, he wan'ts Luxus' lachryma, he is in the know about their secrets and what they possess, which was stated in the manga. You said something which hasn't even been alluded to one bit. There is a pretty significant difference.



Come on, okey, let me use your own medicine. If Ivan wanted to attack Gildartz why didn't he do something when he was injured?

Where did I say Ivan wanted to? I said Gildartz's enemy is Ivan. Meaning that is who Gildartz perceives as his enemy.


If his ordinary knowledge about Fairy tail was so vast we wouldn't have hired Gazille as his spy yet he did since he wants more.

lol what? Makarov already made a big scene about the knowledge and secrets Ivan had about Fairy Tail. That is a clear indicator he knows plenty about the guild. There is also the possibility that he has known all along that Gazille is a double agent.


As you can see Ivan is waiting for the right moment or perhaps I should say the right amount of money to crush Fairy tail.

I already said Mashima would come up with a convenient excuse for when Ivan backstabs Makarov. It would be easy to do, and typical shounen.

Ero-Sanji
December 14, 2010, 09:19 AM
@LoS

Please...

Didn't you read the pages I linked?

1. Your statement that Ivan wants what Fairy tail has (and that's Laxus) is quite wrong. He wants money to crush Fairy tail, money which he can obtain through Laxus's lachryma. Don't believe me? Check the Link(s). I said that Ivan hated the guild and it's master. Call me silly but isn't that quite obvious already? In your previous post you said that being tossed out from a guild is not enough to want revenge, that to me sounds a little strange. If you've read Naruto, Orocimaru did the exact same thing.

2. You never said that Ivan wanted to fight Gildartz but that he was destined to. I said that Ivan wanted to crush Fairy tail and thus has to fight Makarov and that's when you said If he wanted to he would have done it already. A statement which is already wrong since he needs money.

3. "lol what?" on you. Sure he does know a lot of things but that doesn't stop him from wanting to know more, now does it? Let me ask you, why do you think he hired Gazille? Oh, and also if he knew that Gazille was a spy don't you think he would have destroyed him. I mean he knows his hideout at least which obviously is a big deal since he's a Dark mage with a Dark guild.

4. Sure he might backstab him maybe he might not do it and instead have a typical shounen grand battle between father and son, disciple against master, good vs evil. All I know is that a battle is coming with the sole motive of crushing Fairy tail.

Poneglyph420
December 14, 2010, 01:28 PM
So who thinks Makarov will have a glimmer of hope against the GH Airship and Hades??

This is gonna be messy, but I wonder if others think this will be an even match up or not..?

kkck
December 14, 2010, 02:09 PM
Well, makarov was stated to account for roughly half of fairy tail's fighting capacity back in the phantom arc. I would not find it strange he could easily take on members of the seven kin of the purgatory. The next chapter is makarov vs hades so I guess either hades has a hell of a plan against makarov or he himself accounts for half the fighting capacity of grimmoire heart.

Zatono
December 14, 2010, 03:00 PM
I'm STILL upset over Gildartz leaving the damn island. That Azuma guy seemed so cocky, if only Gildartz could just give him the business.

Zoro #1
December 14, 2010, 03:43 PM
I'm STILL upset over Gildartz leaving the damn island. That Azuma guy seemed so cocky, if only Gildartz could just give him the business.

If Gildartz was there then the fight would have just gone one way(towards fair tail) since he is considered the strongest mage in fairy tail his power must easily be near of that of the makarov, and considering that he might just be the next in line to the master of fairy tail.

But now that he is gone it will give good chance for the selected members for the exam to show their true capabilities in fighting, strong opponents.

chess4
December 15, 2010, 04:55 PM
http://www.crystalinks.com/chinadragons.html

found something interesting.....scroll down till u see year of the dragon and check out the 5 dragon types. metal and fire describe natsu and jazelle perfectly.

also discusses the dragon king.....interesting that its not one being but 4

Poneglyph420
December 15, 2010, 07:37 PM
I'm STILL upset over Gildartz leaving the damn island. That Azuma guy seemed so cocky, if only Gildartz could just give him the business.

Agreed, I'm still holding out that Gildartz and maybe Fried and Bixlow return and duke it out with GH...

Someone's gotta put these guys in their place.. Especially that Azuma guy..

ca12nag3
December 16, 2010, 11:29 AM
http://www.crystalinks.com/chinadragons.html

found something interesting.....scroll down till u see year of the dragon and check out the 5 dragon types. metal and fire describe natsu and jazelle perfectly.

also discusses the dragon king.....interesting that its not one being but 4

1 thing tho, no air dragon in the list... So we cannot be sure on the number of *real* dragonslayers. Im positive that he did a lot of research on dragons etc to get an idea for his manga but we still have to see some kind of rulelist for what can and cannot be done in this manga and how many dragons/dragonslayers there should be.

Kazu-Sama
December 16, 2010, 09:42 PM
Something I noticed, there are 7 kins of purgatory, and a guild master in GH, right?
How many teams are there?

Kana & Lucy
Natsu & Happy
Elf & Evergreen
Levy & Gazille
Grey & Loki
Juvia & Erza
Lisanna & Mirajane
Mest & Wendy
And master Makarov.

Now, say one of those pairs were to be taken out, but only one.
There are 7 teams and a guild master, vs 7 kins and a guildmaster.

Bearing in mind that Gazille and Levy, and mest and wendy, are pretty badly beaten, if one of them couldn't fight it'd be a 1v1 teams vs kin.
And with Juvia with the person who knocked her out, is it just me who thinks that, if Mest and Wendy are too injured to fight more, then each team could defeat one of the kin, and thus be made S-class? solves the whole 'Who will get made an S-class' debate, opens the door to some amazing reactions from Sieg, and just generally fits nicely.

kkck
December 16, 2010, 09:51 PM
The fight won't necessarily go 2 vs 1 though. Just look at the oracion 6 arc, it was set up to be a somewhat similar situation yet that did not happen. Hoteye was taken out by midnight, midnight by erza, cobra by natsu... A few of them were taken out by two people though... Anyways, fights here probably won't follow that pattern.

xErzaScarlet
December 18, 2010, 06:00 AM
Loki , Gray , Lucy , Cana will definitely be together during the fight .
since the 2 guys were "stalking" them .
Loki and Gray are pretty strong , im sure they can kick some ass .
Makarov , definitely has the power to eliminate , as well as Erza and Natsu .
Mirajane + Elfman + EverGreen , another possible strong team .
The last Juvia , will be either with Erza , since she went out with Erza or she would go and find Gray .
Somehow or rather . I think Natsu will be able to protect Wendy and stop Azuma , whatever his name is .
Love Wendy sooooo much :D

Razh
December 18, 2010, 08:50 AM
There are also Fried and Bixlow there, in case you forgot.

Fried's traps could really help them, if he has time to set them up.

swordsaintscoot
December 18, 2010, 09:07 AM
fried and bixlow aren't there. they left with gildartz.

Unlucky Boy
December 18, 2010, 09:16 AM
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December 18, 2010, 09:22 AM
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ghostexiled
December 18, 2010, 09:30 AM
SO GLAD THAT THE FAIRY LAW DEBATE CAN REST NOW!! :D

This arc is getting better and better!

I really can't see how Fairy Tail will survive this battle... they are waaaaaaaaay outnumbered and to top that off we have Makrov having to face off against his previous master.

I knew the minute everyone was whining about "Why doesn't Makrov just use Fairy Law?" that the answer would be, because the enemy had a counter for it.

This also explains how GH knew where the island was...

side note... did you guys notice Urtear blushing when talking about meeting Zeref?

meepers4982
December 18, 2010, 09:30 AM
amazing chapter! ahhh did NOT expect hades to be a former fairytail master, that would explain how they knew about the whereabouts of the island. Maybe that means zeref really isnt that bad. I dont think a former fairytail master could be 'evil'. ahhh i cant wait until the next chapter.

Draco1988
December 18, 2010, 09:31 AM
That explained how Grimoir Heart found their way to the island.

and so Markarov is 76 already?

88yrs. old actually. ~Ghost

ca12nag3
December 18, 2010, 09:45 AM
Why am i thinking bout Saruman and Gandalf here? :D

Newkerzy
December 18, 2010, 09:51 AM
OMG, Mashima just keeps getting even more and more epic!!! Hades is the previous master!!?? Just how old is he!!?? did he find some way to become immortal or what!!??

This arc is definitely going to be the best arc of FT!!!

xErzaScarlet
December 18, 2010, 09:54 AM
WTF ? This is so strange . I never expected Hades to be the EX-Master .
Makarov is already so old . Hades is the ex-master... He should be older ...
One hundred ? Lol .
Anyway .
This is getting interesting omg .!!!

chess4
December 18, 2010, 10:01 AM
great chapter...............fairy tail is out gunned in every possible way. all the real power houses are on the island except for gildartz`

Ero-Sanji
December 18, 2010, 10:01 AM
Epic!

This is by far the most interesting scenario in Fairy tail history. All in all not much happened but Makarov's teacher/master being alive and even turned evil is just too much for me right now.

As many predicted I think Fairy tail is going down. Makarov has a huge disadvantage facing of against his master, the man who taught him everything. Psychologically and by experience Makarov is screwed.

Caprico's power was also not as I had expected. I thought of Earth or stone magic before this bubble technique. Aw, well we'll just have to wait and see.

Also as Ghost exiled mentioned what's up with Urtears blush? I'm still sensing some sort of mental disturbance from her, I'm sure she's become obsessed with him.

Unlucky Boy
December 18, 2010, 10:20 AM
I know Ul and Zeref didnt even live on same time but look how similar Ultear and Zeref look. Maybe he is her mysterious dad? Maybe that's how she knows a forgotten kind of magic?
I wonder if she really said "now we can finally meet you" or it should had been "now I can finally meet you".

And about Zeref, he mentions "another war", so I guess he really is connected to the war that lead to the Nirvana events.

The masters of FT reminds me of the rave masters very much.

MyuuMyuu
December 18, 2010, 10:20 AM
Great chapter! hopes we are going to see alot of kickass fight from now on!
i really really REALLY hope that Gray is going to fight Ultear ..
also i hope we will se more action from Lucy soon.. i mean, she is one of the main characters.. she will probably go fight against that girl from GH ..

Fê - forever alone
December 18, 2010, 10:28 AM
So, that smile was from someone who recognized Makarov, my "surprise " - that was not great - is only because Hades was the second master. Interesting, very interesting. Does Maka stand a chance against his own master? GL and FL are equivalent in terms of strength, what about the rest? And d*** how old is Hades?????

Urtear, if not for her, half of GH had gone to the bag. And what is that? Is she excited to find Zeref? Or is it only my impure eyes???!!Lol.

What kind of magic does Capricou se? It seemed quite useful, at least.

Anyway, I can't help but to be excited. Every chapter makes me longing more and more for the other.


And about Zeref, he mentions "another war", so I guess he really is connected to the war that lead to the Nirvana events.

I think so. There are many conections here, they could be not directly connected, but I guess we shouldn't discard any kind of relation that links them. It's too suspicious, and if we pay attention, each arc - so far - is linked together, like some kind of chain events. And I just love that, lol.

tobeulp
December 18, 2010, 10:41 AM
Holy Sh!t this chapter was in the last page... I am confident that I had predicted that it will be a duel between Makarov vs Hades and the others will charge in to Fairy Tail island.. And Makarov using Fairy Law and Hades had a Grimoire Law but I don't expect the last page that Hades is the former Fairy Tail Master... Simply Great
Fairy Tail should replace Naruto or Bleach in the Big 3 IMO specially Naruto with the Edo Tensei bug ^^

Ero-Sanji
December 18, 2010, 11:19 AM
Does anybody remember a certain event that did occur in the last 40-50 years ago besides the disappearance of the dragons and the death of Lucy's mother? I mean what could possibly have made Purehito into Hades? Nirvana is no longer so that's out of the question. Oh, and also doesn't hito translate into man/soul? which means that he's name was pure-man/soul.

I also thought a little about the circumstances two masters are fighting on the sacred ground of another, I'm starting to think that Mavis will have a say about that. I guess this arc is truly an arc with the intentions of show us the origin of the guild

kkck
December 18, 2010, 11:23 AM
Just how old is hades lol? I was under the impression fairy tail was quite old to saw the least and hades was already an old man 50 years ago.... How did he manage this? This is certainly a mage of makarov's caliber though. Wonder if hades uses the same titan magic as makarov though, it would be interesting to see that. I think this chapter also shows how much stronger makarov is when compared to erza too. Makarov tanked through jupiter with marginal damage, erza was trashed by it... Makrov is one strong fuck to say the least. I do think hades is about as evil (or at the very least misguided) as you get. Hade grimmoire heart law had that same color and feel to it as the magic used by other sick, evil and twisted guys (jose, zero, manipulated gerard).

Razh
December 18, 2010, 11:27 AM
Damn, after wondering how GH could have known about FT secret for these last several chapters, Mashima manages to induce a HOLY SHIT! reaction once again.

The first page of the fucking chapter made me believe that the former master was the guy Erza met on that island when she was a kid. Even Hades using Grimoire Law wasn't much, because he might have made his own variation, but then, when you see Makarov's face, holy shit.

I guess Hades didn't just go on a trip and became evil. He was bad when he left, judging from his smile.

BlackHair
December 18, 2010, 11:52 AM
This chapter nailed easily this weeks shounen. That's some sick twist going on there. I never could have seen this coming. Also as many asked before; how old is that guy? lols.

But Im happy regarding Macarov. All his talk to Mavis in the previous chapter made me believe that he is going to kick the bucket. However after reading this chapter, it was clear that it was just meant to make Hades revelation to be more shocking. I don't see Macarov dying anymore.

Natsu's reaction was hell funny also Ultear lost magic is some sick shit.

Anyway, Hades 'nd Macarov will probably fight it out until the situation on the island is cleared. Either they will get Zeref and retreat (which is more likely in my eyes) or right before getting their ass kicked Gildarts and those two other will come back and save the day.

pestrofa
December 18, 2010, 11:58 AM
i agree with blackhair ,i dont think makarov will die.its gonna be something like ' the stident will overcome the teacher'...

Jorge D. Dragon
December 18, 2010, 12:03 PM
It was really great chapter! Fairy Tail is the best in this week Shounen Jump for sure. As everyone has already stated, I didn't see this twist coming. We got really great explanation on how GH managed to find FT's sacred island. It was great to see the revelation of Hades being the Second FT master and was great to see Makarov 48 years ago.:)
We did see that Makarov is strong as hell and I hope he won't be broken emotionally that easily, cause he has to protect his guild, his children. I hope we'll see a decent fight or at least more of revelations.
Also I hope we'll see some good fight from FT mages.:) Though I can't believe they can win. GH will probably take Zeref with them.

Fê - forever alone
December 18, 2010, 12:14 PM
Guys, have anyone noticed what Hades says on first page?

Hades : You love your allies, and you're a human capable of believing.

You'll surely make this guild into a good one.

What the hell did he mean by that? Was FT a dark guild back then? Or was he - Hades - already corrupted by darkness?

If we remember, maybe that's why Poliushka hate humans and secluded herself on the forest.

That makes me wonder, really does.

Evil3ye
December 18, 2010, 12:17 PM
Nice chapter. Justs how old can the people get in this manga :darn

Am looking forward to see the fight combo of Lluvia-Ezra and the sisters Mira and uhm little sister.

Also am wondering how yabbahead will face and what kind of magic he's using.

Was bit odd though, that Loki didn't recognize Caprio... or was he too far away? Hmm..

Gats
December 18, 2010, 12:29 PM
What is the meaning of "x 736" at the first page ?

Fê - forever alone
December 18, 2010, 12:30 PM
What is the meaning of "x 736" at the first page?
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It's the date when that happened.

Xenos3421
December 18, 2010, 12:39 PM
^ Its the year!

wait... what year is it supose to be.. cuz the whole 777 7 7 thing happened 7 years ago?? or am i just just forgeting the first 100 chapters? huh..

no no i loved this damn chapter Hiro has a way of jumpstarting the action and changing shit up every 10 chapters that makes greaaaat storytelling.

good pacing. O and speaking of pacing WTF!!! Hades is the 2nd master?!? AAAND has a dark version of Fairy Law.

Wow.

this is gonna be crazy awesome and most likely a tear jerker.

ExRachel
December 18, 2010, 12:42 PM
I knew from the beginning that Hades was the 2nd master because of the hair in the beginning.. I thought to myself.. Why else would there be a beginning like that? I hope Ultear and Gray fight, Probably Ultear will make a fair game and use ice.

Razh
December 18, 2010, 12:49 PM
Guys, have anyone noticed what Hades says on first page?

Hades : You love your allies, and you're a human capable of believing.

You'll surely make this guild into a good one.

What the hell did he mean by that? Was FT a dark guild back then? Or was he - Hades - already corrupted by darkness?

If we remember, maybe that's why Poliushka hate humans and secluded herself on the forest.

That makes me wonder, really does.

The guild probably wasn't that well known at that time. Don't look for hidden meaning. Do you think Makarov would have anything to do with a dark guild?

I'm thinking that Hades was up to something ever since he found out about Tenrou island secret, then he waited for something to happen, or maybe for his guild members to become strong enough to take care of themselves, and then he left them.

Maybe he even loved the guild in some way and decided to go dark side on his own because of it. Too early for speculations now, in any case.

kuroSaki_Ichi
December 18, 2010, 12:50 PM
i'm a bit confused, so hades is the first or second master of fairy tail?
on the last page it says he is second, but the spread makarov said he was he 2nd one..

hongoasdf
December 18, 2010, 12:53 PM
^ Its the year!

wait... what year is it supose to be.. cuz the whole 777 7 7 thing happened 7 years ago?? or am i just just forgeting the first 100 chapters? huh..


Yes. The current year is X784, 7 year after the dissappearance of the Dragons and the "death" of Lucy's mother on X777.

The numbers displayed match up. Makarov was 40 years old back in X736, as he is 88/89 now.

Hades' age shouldn't be that surprising. I mean, Zeref is alive, and he has been for the past 400 years or so. And he still looks young.

Speaking of timelines, also interesting to note that Layla was born in X748 (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v09/c068/16.html), which means she "died" when she was 29 years old. Lucy is currently 17 (Maybe 18, if we take into account the time that has passed throughout the series), which means Lucy's mother "died" when Lucy was 10. Also worth noticing that Lucy was born when Layla was 19. Quite young.

Irrelevant to the current events, but just a little bit of extra information.

Fê - forever alone
December 18, 2010, 12:56 PM
The guild probably wasn't that well known at that time. Don't look for hidden meaning. Do you think Makarov would have anything to do with a dark guild?
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I'm not saying that FT was an evil one, but could be a dark guild under Hades/Purehito orders, it doesn't mean Makarov was wicked or something, though he does look like he was something similar to Luxus, but not an evil guy.

Anyway, I just had the thought that maybe FT has it's own darkness/secrets hidden in the past.

Just exercising my mind, don't worry about it, lol.
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i'm a bit confused, so hades is the first or second master of fairy tail?
on the last page it says he is second, but the spread makarov said he was he 2nd one..
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It's said Mavis gave the roll to Hades, then he gave it to Makarov. So, Makarov is the third.

hongoasdf
December 18, 2010, 01:00 PM
Anyway, I just had the thought that maybe FT has it's own darkness/secrets hidden in the past.

Just exercising my mind, don't worry about it, lol.


Why, of course. I doubt Zeref's "sealed body" would be on FT's Holy Island by a mere coincidence. There is a purpose for him being there.

kamakazi_1996
December 18, 2010, 01:16 PM
Overall this chapter was very good, i LMAO when natsu discovered mest was one of the council :) *pat* *pat* "nice coat" :D i gasped when i saw that the second master was the master of grimiore heart, just what kind of guild was fairy tail in the past is it possible that the guild was once a dark one, i can already tell that the makarov vs hades battle with be incredible

btw is it just me or does natsu's black muffler suit him better than his old one, i wonder if it will be permanently black i think some characters need some clothes adjustment, except gray he wears no clothes at all :D

Sollum
December 18, 2010, 01:22 PM
This chapter was like a sip of fresh air to me! This turn of events was so unexpected and shocking!

What's next, Zeref being a founder of Grimmoire Hearth? No, Makarov's change of hearth!

Mashiro_Luna
December 18, 2010, 01:22 PM
Wow i didn't think Mashima could do a WTF twist but there it is. I think that Fairy Tail (or at least Makarov) have no chance of winning now even if Gildartz returns.

I think that Hades must be about 130 right now assuming he was around 80 when he left, that is a hell of a long time to gather magic and information. Also I think Makarov should've been suspicious of Purehito back all that time ago, no good guy wears an eyepatch.

Caprico's power was pretty useful, wonder what offensive magic he uses. And as always Natsu doesn't fail to entertain.

llamapie
December 18, 2010, 01:23 PM
i'm a bit confused, so hades is the first or second master of fairy tail?
on the last page it says he is second, but the spread makarov said he was he 2nd one..

The 2nd. The first master is entombed on that Island.
I have a hunch that his soul will intervene seeing his 2 masters fight.

Zoro #1
December 18, 2010, 01:43 PM
Didn't see that coming
the second master of FT is now evil, maybe he is holding a part of zerf(evil part) and is trying to reunite them.

Ero-Sanji
December 18, 2010, 01:43 PM
Hades' age shouldn't be that surprising. I mean, Zeref is alive, and he has been for the past 400 years or so. And he still looks young.


Yeah but the difference is that Zeref is potrayed as a young boy meaning that Magic is behind his old age. Hades is just too old biologically. I mean he looked like 70-90 at the time he left and should be 110-130. But I shouldn't jump the gun since he could have used magic as well.

Zoro #1
December 18, 2010, 01:44 PM
The 2nd. The first master is entombed on that Island.
I have a hunch that his soul will intervene seeing his 2 masters fight.

So does this mean fairy law was actually created by hades or the 1st master of FT and the tech. is passed down the line to the next master.

llamapie
December 18, 2010, 01:50 PM
So does this mean fairy law was actually created by hades or the 1st master of FT and the tech. is passed down the line to the next master.

Ya my guess is that it was created by the original FT master, who we are yet to learn about. Anyways this arc is sure to fill in some back story. Excited!

Kravmaga
December 18, 2010, 02:05 PM
The 2nd. The first master is entombed on that Island.
I have a hunch that his soul will intervene seeing his 2 masters fight.

I thought of the same when I saw the next chapter's title.
Realistically now, this is just about the only way to reach the most shounen scenario of having a bunch of fair-ish match-ups unless zeref takes out half of GH's army and conveniently leaves out the 7 kin.

I'm also crossing my fingers for a big wave of reinforcements on FT's side with a few heavyweights and maybe possibly Luxus and makarov doing a two-man fairy law to overpower hades. =P

ExRachel
December 18, 2010, 02:09 PM
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I'm also crossing my fingers for a big wave of reinforcements on FT's side with a few heavyweights and maybe possibly Luxus and makarov doing a two-man fairy law to overpower hades. =P

How? Laxus isn't even there. Unless he's somehow spying on Makarov along his journeys. I would believe you if theres somehow a clue.

Krono
December 18, 2010, 02:22 PM
I knew the minute everyone was whining about "Why doesn't Makrov just use Fairy Law?" that the answer would be, because the enemy had a counter for it.

Technically speaking it's not so much they had a counter for it, as they had it as well. If Makarov released FL after seeing who Hades was, it would have wiped out GH, but not Hades. Then Hades would release GL, and FT probably minus Makarov would be wiped out. In other words rather than "You've got nukes? Well I can shoot them down!" it's "You've got nukes? Well I've got nukes as well!"

Probably works out better this way as rather than get nerfed by being blocked, FL maintains it's uberness, but is also kept from being used.


side note... did you guys notice Urtear blushing when talking about meeting Zeref?

Yep. Personally I've been pairing them up mentally since we found out Zeref was still alive. Finding out that Zeref was a young looking guy with an appearance of someone the same age as Gerard or Urtear only strengthened that.

Kravmaga
December 18, 2010, 02:38 PM
How? Laxus isn't even there. Unless he's somehow spying on Makarov along his journeys. I would believe you if theres somehow a clue.

No no, I wasn't asserting anything and totally pulled that out of nowhere but that said, there were hints that he'd come back from fried mentioning him after going down to lucy and kana and the foreshadowing from that parade scene when luxus left the guild...

Besides, he had been a S-class mage for a while so he should be aware of the island as well and if reinforcements were to show up, they would need to know one way or another and if the guild were to find out, there'd be a bunch of ways luxus could as well.
He just seems like the right guy to save makarov imho and even if it doesn't happen, Mashima has done epic things against all expectations before that I wouldn't so crazy to expect something along those lines.

Poneglyph420
December 18, 2010, 02:45 PM
Here we go!!!!
I honestly didn't see that coming..
Makarov is only the 3rd Master of FT.
And his former Master is Hades..

Well played..

This is going to get messy...

FT needs Reinforcements bad. IMO


I personally hope while attempting to awaken Zeref things go horribly wrong and GH gets messed up by Zeref... Especially Urtear... Wipe that smirk off her face....

Zehahaha
December 18, 2010, 02:53 PM
At this rate, FT is screwed. Makarov will have a rough time with Hades, the others will have to deal with a lot of mages + 7 kin. FT really need some reinforcements as some people said.

Fairy Tail is really getting better and better, can't wait for the next one

Krono
December 18, 2010, 02:54 PM
On a different note, anyone bet that Hades is the person that Cana wants to meet, and is the reason she joined Fairy Tail?

ca12nag3
December 18, 2010, 04:09 PM
I supose fairy law is passed on from master to master, it also makes it curious why and how Laxus used it as well? I mean did Makarov at some point realy think he could take over as master?
and now we see the previous master of FT who is so far not related to Makarov thrue blood. So the entire idea of a relative taking over is in contradiction now ^^"

Ill kinda explain, early on in the series its said by multiple mages towards Lucy that once Makarov retires Laxus would be the next master. And added that he is HIS son.
We know that Myst possibly was on par with him and Gildarts is SS so stronger then Laxus who is S class.

Lateron this idea of successorship changes again with Makarov pondering over who hed let succeed him.

And now we see Makarov and Hades who are on name basis not talking as blood relation.

MAkes me wonder what the entire succeed Makarov/Laxus thing was about? <plothole?

Yuki-Onna
December 18, 2010, 04:27 PM
How to beat super bad guy guild:
1. Find Zeref
2. Throw at bad guys
3. ???
4. Profit!

MonsterEnvy
December 18, 2010, 07:09 PM
well i doubt Fairy tail can win now

i have no doubt that Hades is stronger then Marakov now and if any of all those nameless fodder are even half as strong as the two the came to the island first fairy tail is screwed

LoS
December 18, 2010, 07:22 PM
Anyone else wondering how that ship can house that many members year round constantly floating around? Gotta be extremely cramped quarters, most likely impossible, and they have no free space to stroll around.

I thought the guild would be on the smaller side, but that showing of sheer numbers seemed far too many.

MechR
December 18, 2010, 07:35 PM
I know Ul and Zeref didnt even live on same time but look how similar Ultear and Zeref look. Maybe he is her mysterious dad? Maybe that's how she knows a forgotten kind of magic?That's my pet theory too :) It blew my mind when it first occurred to me.



It was really great chapter! Fairy Tail is the best in this week Shounen Jump for sure.FT actually runs in Weekly Shounen Magazine, not Weekly Shounen Jump.

swordsaintscoot
December 18, 2010, 07:50 PM
What if grimoire heart despite being a dark guild isn't as bad as first described?

dark guilds are called such because they refuse to lsiten to orders of disbanding by the council, this doesn't make them bad.

Fairy tail could very easily become a dark guild if the council order them to disband because none of them are the types to give up their friends.

-Ken-
December 18, 2010, 08:31 PM
I like how Hades "name" is reveal but not many people used it in this thread. Well, it's probably because it's quite long.

I like this chapter a lot. If within the next 2-3 chapters Markarov is not down yet, he'll probably win and survive. Just a feeling.

I also notice how he call Markarov "boy" but called other members of GH by their name. I wonder if this have any significance?

ExRachel
December 18, 2010, 08:55 PM
No no, I wasn't asserting anything and totally pulled that out of nowhere but that said, there were hints that he'd come back from fried mentioning him after going down to lucy and kana and the foreshadowing from that parade scene when luxus left the guild...

Besides, he had been a S-class mage for a while so he should be aware of the island as well and if reinforcements were to show up, they would need to know one way or another and if the guild were to find out, there'd be a bunch of ways luxus could as well.
He just seems like the right guy to save makarov imho and even if it doesn't happen, Mashima has done epic things against all expectations before that I wouldn't so crazy to expect something along those lines.

Well that would make sense, Mashima probably is gonna put Hades on a good side though. unless he does do something epic and crazy like Makarov dying, or Laxus with him. ehh... Whatever I don't make sense anymore. Can't wait 'till other chapters. Btw. I actually would think Mashima would do something crazy cause he already did a crazy arc. I mean Fairy Tail is outnumbered by a million.. xD I'll just wait.

xErzaScarlet
December 18, 2010, 09:28 PM
Laxus learnt fairy law through reading skill books that is passed on by the Previous master . He said it during the Fantasia fight , where he faces Natsu .
He "stole" the skill somehow .

Zeref was a "Hot Guy" because he is like the most "evil" guy on Earth , or rather Fairy Tail Earth lol .
So most of the bad guys want Zeref .
Zeref is definitely older than Hades .
Hades left that guild 48years ago , when Makarov was 40 . *Meaning Makarov is 88 Now*
He left the guild because he wanted to create a guild to search for Zeref .
As Zeref is one of the most powerful guy on Earth , he could easily rule the whole Magical world .
Hades probably did that because he wanted to rule the world , so he left FairyTail under Makarov .
Hades might not fight with Makarov , since his plans is only Zeref .
He might say , "Hand over Zeref , i wont touch FairyTail"
However , the members are keen to eliminate FairyTail because they had been the one who stops the Dark Guilds from Achieving their results . *eg Oracion SEIS*

Since nobody had expected the Hades to be the second master .
Hiro Mashima might also come up with another unexpected twist , like not fighting , just hand over Zeref . (Since everyone expected them to fight.)

sarutobi_sensei
December 18, 2010, 10:44 PM
Zomg!

When I was reading the first page of the chapter I was like, WOW the 2nd master. Then it hit me: he kinda looks like Hades.

Then it's like ZOMFG! It is HADES! WOW Plot twist to the max.

That's why they knew where the island was.

But what made him do this? What could have possibly made him turn to the dark side?

Just loved Natsu's reaction to learning that Mest was from the council xD His face saying: Nice Coat was just epic xD

so are we getting a chapter next week?

munyo
December 18, 2010, 11:54 PM
sup people, newbie here xD
It was an awesome chapter, would be cool if Natsu fights the guy that looks kinda like him (forgot his name).... I wonder who is going to fight Gildartz

ghostexiled
December 19, 2010, 12:18 AM
I like how Azuma refers to the rest of his guild as "trouble makers"... with this type of personality, maybe he is one of the higher ranked sin members.

I would tease the idea of him maybe (maybe) being able to spar with Gildartz. We can't just state that this idea is crap... we have only seen a fraction of both of their powers and both cleaned house.

At some point Gildartz will get involved... because this is looking like it will maybe be a two arc storyline.

FT loses and Zeref is "obtained" by GH... then FT comes back and goes after GH with a few new members in tow.

I think that this battle will end with the intervention of Mavis.

exacta
December 19, 2010, 12:33 AM
I knew, this arc really is going to end up completely kicking ass. What a twist, I never would've thought Hades would be a previous master of Fairy Tail. Dammmmmmmn Mashima.

Fairy Tail is totallly boned now. Now that we know Hades is a previous master of Fairy Tail, I can actually see some 7 kin being as strong as Gildartz and Laxus and being able to fight with them evenly. It's likely that Hades is stronger than Makarov too. Maybe. I love how Hades called Makarov "boy" when Makarov is like 88.:amuse

Anjellow
December 19, 2010, 01:30 AM
Hmm. Well...I think Makarov is going to beat Hades but not in the current fight. I highly doubt that the masters would finish their fight before their guild members.
Of course Gildarts, Freed and Bixlow are going to come back
I hope they bring back other members from the guild too because there's only less than 20 FT members on the island ~~~ a fight with so few members against the entire Grimoire Heart Guild = FT losing...even if they have Erza and Mirajane there.

So yeah...Makarov is going to win but the fight with Hades will somehow be postponed until the end and their fight will be the last one like how it was against Phantom Lord and Master Jose.

Beeesiiides
Makarov is the one who FT famous and the most powerful guild in their country
^ that's true because if you look in the flashback the FT building was hella small and looked poor lol. It was during Makarov's time that FT's reputation and power sky rocketed.
how can he lose? :D

coolerthanzerok
December 19, 2010, 01:41 AM
Somehow I think Urtear is manipulating Hades too, because she has chronic backstabbing syndrome. I mean, Leon turned out not to be a terrible person. Gerard... could've been an inherently worse human being, and Hades was previously the Big Good. I think Urtear might have her own agenda entirely and is just using all of them. There's no reason to believe she isn't playing Hades like the other two.

Additionally... this chapter is awesome. I love how Makarov really did basically ruin the airship once, though I feel like repairing something of that scale should've taken a lot out of Urtear. I somehow want to see Grimoire Heart win, and after they leave Fairy Tail defeated Tartaros showing up and wrecking the weakened Grimoire Heart. Just something I'd like to muse at.

zelllogan
December 19, 2010, 04:10 AM
Ok, now I can consider Grimoire Heart as an enemy much more dangerous than anyone else met in the past.

Firstly, The guild is huge. I didn't expect so many soldiers.
Secondly, Hades is Makarov's master. I didn't see that one coming.
Thirdly, Ultear's power is like a cheat code in a video game.

Fairy tail is in a bad situation. With Makarov in that situation, I wouldn't be surprised to see luxus coming back.

Kurohitsugi
December 19, 2010, 05:51 AM
Oh, great chapter. Not only we had a great twist, one I could not see coming, but finally the whole GM squad landed on the island which means the battles are going to begin soon. I am wondering what will be "Zeref's" role at this battle. He is a complete wild card atm.

This isn't going to end good for Fairy Tail. Grimoire Heart as an enemy and member-wise, looks too important to appear in only one arc. I believe that this arc will end with GM capturing Zeref, defeating FT with the members of the latest barely escaping death (probably the 7-kin will withdraw once they capture Zeref). Next arc will be about the Council. They will accuse FT for all this ruckus and they will order a disband.

Finally, I think that even if Guildarts was there, GH could still win. I mean Ulthear must be as powerful as him, and I have the same impression about Azuma and Caprico. They could be as powerful as Laxus. But I am more interested to see Zancrow who will definitely meet Natsu at some point.

Azgarath
December 19, 2010, 08:01 AM
If you think about it, the "Law" spells are similar to Zeref's death magic. They're like nerf versions of it. Although it's merely speculation but it would be interesting if there is a connection. I have a feeling that this arc will be the most chaotic arc in Fairy Tail so far which ties in a lot of things together. I hope it would be something like the first master of Fairy Tail and other mages defeated the original Zeref and took some of his powers thus him gaining the spell "Fairy Law".

wooticus
December 19, 2010, 09:56 AM
wow, what a fantastic twist. certainly didn't see that coming. to the master got owned by his former master. some of you pointed out that ultear might have some kind of control over hades, i think so too. maybe she's the one who's letting him live, i mean he has to be over 100 years old, but ultears time mage might do something about him, so maybe he doesn't age even more.

Another guess is that Hades was that one "defeating" zeref by some kind of magic that switched their personalities. so hades became evil while zeref became kind. so he may now want wo revert that spell.

the beginning of the battle seems a bit weird to me, so many footsoldiers.. somehow boring.. and as many already stated.. i can't see fairy tail winning this one without another major twist. i guess hades and makarov won't have a real winner, they will sit this out preparing to do fairy/grimoire law.. so i could think of possibilities:

a) fairy tail losing, zeref getting freed. at least ultear(+hades) won't be defeated yet i guess.
a few arguments stay at least: cana has a major role in that arc so she certainly has to shine in this arc, so in a battle involving her and others she has to take out one of the 7 kin.
mirajane was hyped as an s class mage from the beginning of the manga but she certainly hasn't showed all she's got yet. if the life of her sister is in danger she will put her own life on the table to save her, so another kin has to go down.
and lastly: erza won't be defeated that easily


b) as we get to know the second master of fairy tail there on the holy grounds the first one mavis will also somehow appear. maybe some kind of magic awakens her (for example natsu's feeling for his friend, let's call it the spirit of fairy tail, or may be it's lucy who accidentially awakens mavis without knowing how). On the edge of defeat Mavis shows makarov and hades how fairy law is really used and repels those.

c) interference of the council. until now we only saw them complaining about some stuff, especially fairy tail. now a army of 8 super-strong mages appeared so maybe they should show that they are powerful mages, too.
I don't know if i remember all correctly, but yet we have seen 4 of the 10 holy mages, haven't we? makarov, jose, jellal and jura, who was considered the weakest of them. Then there is this master of blue pegagus. wasn't he stated to be even more powerful than makarov? and especially one thing: there has to be a mage who has the title of being the strongest mage currently alive, the first one of the 10 holy mages. I would love to have this guy/girl appear and rescue FT, dealing with 2 of the kin at once or something like that. a mage who let's erza look like a b-class mage, call it pure "ownage"


all in all i really can't see the outcoming. the problem with FT losing is that this would mean zeref being released by grimoire heart - but we have two more dark guilds that have to be dealt with so zerefs defeat has to come at last.

but well, i guess after this arc it's about time for a council arc in which they are

p1xel
December 19, 2010, 01:32 PM
Wow, I didn`t except Hades the 2nd FT master...and why Makarov didn`t recognize him in the beginning?:o
Looks like FT doesn`t stand a chance to win win Grimoire Heart. Maybe Zeref will save them.
And I just noticed there is Caprico, I thought of Psyren<3

sigma_song
December 19, 2010, 02:58 PM
Has any thought that Caprico might be a stellar spirit? He could be Capricorn and be like Loki and was exiled.

Kuzumikun
December 19, 2010, 03:01 PM
can't wait to see mira and lisana fight!! :]]]
dude i got liked soooo hyped on this chapter ;o
can't wait for next one!

1337 haxor
December 19, 2010, 06:10 PM
Just WOW!

Best quote as of yet:

"Well, if you got nukes we have nukes too!"

In any case I can see things going down the epic way.

First of all, I can't see FT losing here.

Problem is that GH doesn't look the kind that simply leave their defeated opponents alive on the ground save for that Azuma guy who basically said "Screw it, the gang is here already".

In my opinion this will go into two arcs, one where FT gets a beatdown but takes out part of GH and another when Zeref awakens and all hell breaks loose.

I think in the first part Zancrow, Hikaru, Caprico and Rustyrose gets taken out while leaving their oponents also beaten.

In the second part Zeref awakens, Meredy has a change of heart, Azuma fights Gildartz and Ultear gets AIZENED by Zeref ala Hinamori.

With the aid of Mavis, Hades recognizes his wrong ways and both he and Makarov sacrifices themselves to weaken Zeref and allow their guilds to escape.

This or... someone gets CEROED in the chest by Zeref and turns hellknight to save the day.

Afterwards Zeref joins Tartarus and what is left of GH and FT bangs togheter as a new dark guild framed for freeing Zeref.

nohm
December 19, 2010, 07:32 PM
Has any thought that Caprico might be a stellar spirit? He could be Capricorn and be like Loki and was exiled.

Yes, that's pretty much what everyone thought/said since his reveal. But yeah, congrats on your first post :p


Anyway, I like where the current (FT vs GH) vs? Zeref is headed. I think FT is going to get trashed badly, and at the moment of FT's despair and the seeming victory of GH by their "activation" of Zeref, he will turn on GH for being a mockry to his dark/black magic legacy. Both sides will get owned, and Zeref will go off to reboot whatever plans he had shelved. I think it is a possibility that the remaining 1/3 of the Balam alliance will become Zeref's pawns, and FT may have to form an unholy alliance with the surviving GH members to go on the counter-offensive (all the while dealing with an escalated aggressive stance from the council).

Zatono
December 19, 2010, 09:54 PM
I'm just going to restate the steps someone here said on how to beat GH.

1. Find Zeref
2. Convince him to fight GH.
3. ???
4. Profit!

tobeulp
December 19, 2010, 10:03 PM
I think Zeref will lead the Grimoire... And Fairy tail will definitely lose here because I think this arc is just a preparation for Zeref to be revived... I just hope Makarov will not die here..
This arc is one of the best or the best Fairy Tail arc yet.. Dragon arc could wait ^^

hongoasdf
December 20, 2010, 01:51 PM
Afterwards Zeref joins Tartarus and what is left of GH and FT bangs togheter as a new dark guild framed for freeing Zeref.

FT as a dark guild?

Now that would be an interesting twist. I can sort of see it happening, since we already saw that bit at the beginning of the arc about FT commiting one more "crime", and they would be forced to disband. Note that "Dark Guilds" are only the ones that don't abide the council's laws (In that sense, FT is closer to being a dark guild than a legal one). They are not necessarily evil, even if most dark guilds we've seen so far have been.

Take Edo-FT for example. Or as an example of the contrary, take Phantom Lord. They were a legal guild despite being evil.

As for allying themselves with Grimoire Heart (Or the remains of it)... I'd rather doubt it, but we'll see.

Ero-Sanji
December 21, 2010, 04:57 AM
First of all, I can't see FT losing here.

Problem is that GH doesn't look the kind that simply leave their defeated opponents alive on the ground save for that Azuma guy who basically said "Screw it, the gang is here already".

I thought of that too, but don't you thing that Purehito might spare them for being his old guild?

LoS
December 21, 2010, 05:26 AM
I thought of that too, but don't you thing that Purehito might spare them for being his old guild?

If those were his intentions he would have expressly told them not to kill the FT people, lol. I'm sure he doesn't mind a few casualties. It's not like he has any connections with anyone on the island other than Makarov.

Ero-Sanji
December 21, 2010, 01:50 PM
If those were his intentions he would have expressly told them not to kill the FT people, lol. I'm sure he doesn't mind a few casualties. It's not like he has any connections with anyone on the island other than Makarov.

To spare and to not kill is not the same, duh...
You can kill some of an army and still (EDIT-->) spare the army.

So, to further comment on the post which I commented on earlier, it's that Purehito doesn't have the intentions to destroy Fairy tail which means that his guild as long as they have gotten Zeref won't touch FT.

elitefox
December 21, 2010, 09:14 PM
That was a surprise :D

Fairy Tail vs a Dark Fairy Tail :D

LoS
December 22, 2010, 04:04 AM
So, to further comment on the post which I commented on earlier, it's that Purehito doesn't have the intentions to destroy Fairy tail which means that his guild as long as they have gotten Zeref won't touch FT.

Wow, you are really arguing semantics? That is quite trivial in this situation. I agree that it is not his goal/intention to destroy FT, but rather procure Zeref, but you have to think that if the GH members run across FT members on their way to Zeref they are not going to simply turn a blind eye and saunter on past the FT members on the island.

Ero-Sanji
December 22, 2010, 05:21 AM
Wow, you are really arguing semantics? That is quite trivial in this situation. I agree that it is not his goal/intention to destroy FT, but rather procure Zeref, but you have to think that if the GH members run across FT members on their way to Zeref they are not going to simply turn a blind eye and saunter on past the FT members on the island.

Hence, "as long as they have gotten Zeref they won't touch FT". It's exactly the same as with OS, they didn't care less about FT since they were all about Nirvana but the minute FT got in the way OS were prepared to kill.

I think you slightly misunderstood what I meant. My argument was that FT could lose this fight since I don't think Purehito will let them get destroyed as long as they(GH) have Zeref meaning that a loss doesn't necessarily mean death in this fight.

LoS
December 22, 2010, 06:45 AM
I think you slightly misunderstood what I meant. My argument was that FT could lose this fight since I don't think Purehito will let them get destroyed as long as they(GH) have Zeref meaning that a loss doesn't necessarily mean death in this fight.

Well, I mean this is Fairy Tail after all. The guild wouldn't be destroyed. Makarov might be the only person to die, but the guild disbandment is something for later when the council makes their move, hence the appearance of the new council just before this arc. It's too bad though, that none of the FT members would get offed by facing vastly superior opponents in the seven kin.

ca12nag3
December 22, 2010, 10:17 AM
Whats with all the die makarov? :P

You guys remember the 3 rules for not leaving FT? 1 is never reveal anything that might hurt FT? Well Purito/Hades broke that rule so he is no longer under any so said aprentice vs master protection. Makarov if he upholds FT rules/regulations will fight him with all his might. At least i hope Makarov doesnt go all teary/why master why. cause Hades doesnt seem like he will go easy on him either.

Fê - forever alone
December 22, 2010, 01:18 PM
I think Makarov will do exactly that, lol. But in the end, he'll fight Purehito with all his might, as soon as he realizes what Hades has become, or, what Hades always was, and Makarov haven't seen, pure evil, lol.

I still don't know if Hades turn out to be a bad guy after leaving FT, or if he was always “bad”.

Lectro Volpi
December 22, 2010, 04:05 PM
Okay I need to make some corrections.

I told you guys that Gildarts can Curb-stomp Grimoire Heart with Hades included, now that Hades is at least on the same level as Makarov (I reckon Makarov as stronger than Gildarts) then:

Gildarts > Grimoire Heart (Hades not included).

It was a great chapter, I knew Makarov was going to use Fairy Law but I was afraid of: "Fairy Law is useless now/I have a stronger technique/with this magic jamming machine I will.../You were careless I took you by surprise" but this "Equal Magic super catastrophe ala Ying-Yang, will be bad if we clash" was a nice touch, it was not out of the ass because Hades was a previous guild master and knew what Fairy Law is and how it works.

ghostexiled
December 22, 2010, 04:22 PM
^You really can't say that for fact... we have yet to see anything from GH and you are already stating that Gildartz could own them... all?

The guy has one scene where he makes Natsu cry and all of a sudden everyone thinks that he can beat an entire guild by himself. :notrust

Not just any guild but one of the 3 big Dark Guilds.

I still think that GH is being extremely underestimated here... we have only seen a fraction of what Azuma, Caprico and Urtear can do.

Plus we still have 4 others that have yet to show us anything.

Also with the possibility of having other tuff fodder mages... makes things a bit bleak for FT.

ca12nag3
December 22, 2010, 05:24 PM
Im asuming they are all S class lvl. Meaning litteraly that they are on par with, Erza,Mirajane and Gildartz. Im not sure if Juvia and Gajeel are to be considered Sclass lvl since Juvia got owned in a 2v1 vs Erza and Gajeel is on par with Natsu, who gets his ass kicked by both Erza and Gildartz.

So if you take the 7kin who are 7 mages only 3 are of their lvl of wich 1 has already left the island thats Gildartz.

Why im saying they are prolly Sclass? Well Ultear fought Natsu on half power and could fend him off like that and was a member of the council she simply is powerfull and that Azuma owned Lilly,Wendy and Mest without even lifting a finger.

Basicaly this arc will show that these mages from FT are all growing to be Sclass. Makarov didnt pick m if he didnt believe in their potential.

So this will be a hard fight :D

Kuzumikun
December 23, 2010, 02:45 AM
^do u think that 2v1 will work?
cuz im not sure about cana and lucy winning unless lucy FINALLY uses Gemini and Cana has some sort of trump card up her sleeve

Lectro Volpi
December 23, 2010, 07:29 AM
^You really can't say that for fact... we have yet to see anything from GH and you are already stating that Gildartz could own them... all?

The guy has one scene where he makes Natsu cry and all of a sudden everyone thinks that he can beat an entire guild by himself. :notrust

Not just any guild but one of the 3 big Dark Guilds.

I still think that GH is being extremely underestimated here... we have only seen a fraction of what Azuma, Caprico and Urtear can do.

Plus we still have 4 others that have yet to show us anything.

Also with the possibility of having other tuff fodder mages... makes things a bit bleak for FT.

It is more like this: No matter how strong a bad guy might look or be, they are just "Current Arc's villain" and will most likely be forgotten; unless they join the guild or be attached to a known character from the guild.

Right now Gildarts is more important plot-wise than GH mages (safe Ultear and Hades) because he is from the "Main Core". Gildarts will not appear and "own-be owned, then bye-bye plot" like a lot of Tough characters we have seen like poor Midnight. Dunno if I am making myself clear. Gildarts' importance on the plot it's way bigger than Azuma's and because of that he will prevail in battle!!!

ghostexiled
December 23, 2010, 10:15 AM
I can understand what your getting at and traditional that would be correct.

But with GH being a bit more important with their role in getting Zeref and having a former FT master as their master... things could play out differently than they have before.

You don't just send some rag tag team after the most notrious and evil mage, that world has ever seen. You send a group that could handle their own quite well and be ready for whatever Zeref might throw at them.

Also, many have thought of this... but there is a good chance that after this event, FT will be forced into becoming a Dark Guild by the Council's standards.

So in the end, I like to think that GH is nothing compared to any other guild that FT has faced yet and so far they are looking to be just that.

btw, Mangastream says all JUMP comics are on break this week... not sure if this includes FT.