Chapter 111 Discussion/112 Predictions

[HegemonKhan]

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[Ryus]

Posted by Mord on Animesuki


437 :産業 ◆yQongahxCI :2010/12/27(月) 20:35:10 ID:1RaEX+7V0
WJにも青エクあったよ

クレイモア
先週出てきた戦士たちが絶体絶命になったところでデネヴたちが救出にきて次号

The rough translation that another user said it said was Deneve and the others go to rescue Anastasia.

[Joe7133]

Posted by Mord on Animesuki



The rough translation that another user said it said was Deneve and the others go to rescue Anastasia.

Yeah, this is quite obvious. Would be nice if they would jump right into the Organization to find out about Miria death/alive, but I feel it will be 1-2 more chapter before we see that. Detriech and the saving of Anastasia might be a key role to getting the other Claymore to form rank with the Ghost.

[Ryus]

Posted on AS by mosmos


<spoiler 111 from FF site>
Mib use Miria's blood to create Organization's new weapon.
Raki being the test subject.

Anastasia finished off all the awakened males by herself. rest of her team died.
Decides to investigate the origin of the awakened males.
She is being followed by one of the 7 ghost, (Tabita)

Rest of the ghosts encountered a old claymore deserter (Cecelia) on the way to organization.
Cecelia has infor on MIB.

Clare chats with Priscilla. Priscilla mentions Raki and Clare gets emotional/ awakened.
Galatea and Miata detects the releasing of Yoki from the clump of flesh.

[HegemonKhan]

that would be crazy!

regardless of whether this happens or not, I can't wait for ch 111!

I am so excited, Claymore has been getting more and more interesting with every chapter, and the suspense now is almost unbareble (can't spell, V.V)!

It's going to be a very good New Years! And we can all guess all of our New Year's Resolutions .... READ Claymore CH 111 immediately! LOL :D

[Ryus]

Anyways... CHAPTERS OUT!!! (http://mangastream.com/read/claymore/67729021/1) (I count 23 pages)

I guess Anastasia's true power is hair regeneration and Hair Control. :p

Anyone want to bet she has the same power Riful did ages ago? http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/gar2fy5.gif

[Moie]

Yeah... just reread ch110 and 111 and...
1) seems as if "creepy corpse keeper" is gonna do something with the #1 corpses
2) Deneve is so damn badass

the male awakends:
- were not hit by those poles. If they were, the claymore stabbed would have shown signs of transforming. Only flaw in my point is it might be too early to confirm.
- are not original male claymores from the obvious fear in their voices and brute-like manner after awakening. None talked too.
- Are they really awakened? Do they have something to do with "creepy corpse keeper"? (sorta kinda doubt it...)

Anastasia's technique... kinda garbage. You're gonna lose all that lovely hair plus, it sorta seemed like a suicide move? i really didn't get it.

Also, anyone else forsee future baggage for Deneve&co. ? Just sayin...

[Fê - forever alone]

In this chapter we have seen that the relationship between warriors are still strong. We've seen it with Audrey and Rachel, but I think it's good to know that they are not the only ones that were not "robotic".

On second thought, Dietrich also cared too much about her partners, so that's not good news, although there is a "great" difference between each of these warriors. Anyway, I liked the chapter and liked to know that things have not changed nearly as much seemed to have. Now the question is whether Anastasia and her group follow the same lines of Dietrich or Audrey.

Will they be friends and try to destroy the organization together, or will just close their eyes for a moment and then they attack them?

Interesting to know that Anastasia doesn't fly, lol. And what about that hair, huh?! As many predicted, her skills had to do with her hair.

Well, for those who complained that we had no more fighting and action, finally a great chapter?

Anyway, I still can't think of those male AB as normal ones. They're strange, maybe new breed? Or mutations? I don't know.

[wickedsmile]

This chapter is just straight fighting without much interaction between the warriors. I don't think anything new has been revealed apart from the true nature of Anastasia's abilities. We already know that the warriors form friendships that they will care for each other, even current generation counterparts. I wonder if Yagi is penning the more important parts while holding us off with this chapter. It's one of the less, if not the most, emotionally removed chapter so far.

ws

[rafael193]

far away, i can hear yagi laughing

[zushiko]

I didnt think that this chapter will be released sooner. I was really excited and then . . . ugh. . . that was it?

Nothing much on this chapter. What did Nike do to Phina and Keira? They thought Deneve was awakened(lol coz he looked like a man). Nike she didnt sense that the awakened ones near her are almost destroyed. She was like "whats happening?" and yet she's #15.

If Anastacia's technique were to be known by the enemy(ies) it becomes useless(according to her) and her swordsmanship isnt really that good. Somebody said Anastacia could kick Eva's(#7 of Clare's era) butt so easily. I dont think I would agree to that because I think Eva was more powerful than Anastacia (considering that shes more powerful than Flora and less than the power of Miria but I dont really have a basis coz they didnt tell about Eva's power or technique.)

Sorry if its kinda off-topic though.:offtopic2



I will just look forward to the next chapter.

[Ryus]

First off it was me who said Anastasia was stronger.

Second I still think so... lets face it Eva just stood still and whined that being attacked by 30 ABs made so sense, as if whining would some how make them go away. She literally thought on the matter so long and hard that it killed her. She even acted as confused as Kiera did this chapter... she saw something she didn't understand so stood still and hoped it wouldn't get her, I swear it's the deer mentality when they see headlights coming there way. So lets face it, Eva would act just as stupid when she sees Anastasia "flying".

[Joe7133]

This chapter is the result of Yagi drinking and celebrating Christmas and New Year too much. With all the juicy plot on 109 and 110, chapter 111 is somewhat rather disappointing.

What the heck is the hair thing anyway. Didn't make sense at all! Seem like Yagi had too much to drink and just pull one out of the @ss! Too much unnecessary fight and run-away seen that didn't make sense. The sword thrown to one of the AO head must be by Yuma! LOL!

I would prefer Yagi ending with 8 more pages of the Ghost talking with Anastasia group. I guess this will happen in the next chapter. Here goes one more month of waiting.

[HegemonKhan]

my responses/comments:

1. Tangled movie + Sasuke (using his own thin wire-threads, mostly seen when he was as a child) in Naruto manga, inspired Anastasia, lol. Yes, we learn the "secret" to Anastasia's "flying". She uses her hair strands+yoki to attach it to her targets, which is strong enough to support a Claymore's weight (such as or only hers) and invisible except that it gives off yoki which can thus be detected by yoki as well, that she "walks"/moves on, seemingly making her "fly". Her strands of hair aren't strong enough to actually stop an ABs movement, it only allows her to walk, move, and travel on them.

I don't think Anastasia has to worry about losing her hair out. I'm sure she can easily and quickly grow back any/all the strands of hair that she uses, hehe :D

2. I wouldn't be too hard on Eva, Ryus. She was facing the "stronger" 30 male ABs of the ~ ranks 4-26. She and only 3 other Claymores as a single AB hunting squad. How could she do anything, when 24 Claymores from ranks 6-47 weren't going to survive either, even with 5 powerful HAs (they were killing some ABs, but the ABs were killing more of them. And then of course Rigardo lost his patience and didn't like having lost already the amount of ABs killed by them). Eva's and her 3 Claymores' deaths were inevitable. I'm sure she knew that. Also, there seemed to be a blizzard/snow storm blocking Eva and the 3 Claymores from seeing the 30 ABs clearly as well. Any Claymore hunting party would have displayed the same helplessness, as not even Miria's (possibly it's hers, though personally I think it's Rubel's, who told it to her, along with giving her the pills, and telling her about what happens if they were to only take halved pills, and etc) great strategy and 24 Claymores could defeat these 30 male ABs.

3. Meh, with how heavy the current chapters have been, I'm not surprised Yagi gave us and himself a "break/resting" chapter, and to build up our suspense by making us wait with the more heavy/mysterious plot schemes/paths. This also, gives him more time to work on the next chapter, 112, which could mean it'll be a really good one. Usually we call such "break/resting" chapters/episodes, as "Fillers". And, it's not completely pointless, as (seemingly) obviously the Ghosts + rebel Dietrich and Anatasia are going to hook up (at least I don't foresee any hostilities that are going to occur between them at this point), so it makes sense to do a chapter to introduce even more Anastasia and her 3 Claymores more to us.

4. I think there were actually more ABs who were ambushing the running away Phina and Keira, which is what they were talking about, as well as at the same time that Deneve and group showed up, and presumably that "leg shot" was a leg of one of them in Deneve's group, though it would probably be Deneve's own leg itself, as she is the leader of them, lol.

[Ryus]

2. I wouldn't be too hard on Eva, Ryus. She was facing the "stronger" 30 male ABs of the ~ ranks 4-26. She and only 3 other Claymores as a single AB hunting squad. How could she do anything, when 24 Claymores from ranks 6-47 weren't going to survive either, even with 5 powerful HAs (they were killing some ABs, but the ABs were killing more of them. And then of course Rigardo lost his patience and didn't like having lost already the amount of ABs killed by them). Eva's and her 3 Claymores' deaths were inevitable. I'm sure she knew that. Also, there seemed to be a blizzard/snow storm blocking Eva and the 3 Claymores from seeing the 30 ABs clearly as well. Any Claymore hunting party would have displayed the same helplessness, as not even Miria's (possibly it's hers, though personally I think it's Rubel's, who told it to her, along with giving her the pills, and telling her about what happens if they were to only take halved pills, and etc) great strategy and 24 Claymores could defeat these 30 male ABs.


It's not the overwhelming odds I fault Eva for but how she handled herself when facing very bad odds, most choose fight or flight (and both are acceptable there, but Eva didn't quite do either... and I fault her for that). Now, Anastasia may have not been as overwhelmed as Eva but she was also in a hopeless battle and knew she was likely about to die. However unlike Eva, Anastasia stood her ground & fought as best she could, all the while trying to use her own life to buy time so her friends could escape with there lives. She thought & acted quickly on her feet and wasn't phased by the overwhelming chance that she was likely about to die. Eva's lack of any action proved she couldn't handle the pressure and therefore may have had power to achieve her rank but not much beyond that in terms of fortitude and thinking under pressure. Both earned there ranks and but only one had the constitution, fortitude, and quick thinking to go with the rank. Since nothing is known about Eva beyond her rank, her lack of those is a serious detriment to any claim that she is the stronger. Yes, she could be stronger but so what if she is the panicky type, not too bright, and didn't know of Anastasia's ability. Both are pretty close to each other in terms of power, with those advantages in Anastasia's court it's her battle to lose, baring some godly special attack that Eva could potentially have (but arguing such is kinda pointless).

[HegemonKhan]

I'd just point out that the 24 Claymores in Pieta were taken by surprise and "frozen" too, in both the pre-main Pieta battle against the 3 "recon/scout" ABs and then in the main Pieta battle, the 27 ABs. Humans were killed by the 3 "recon/scout" ABs, while the Claymores were "frozen", sleeping, or simply not aware of the attack. And the 27 ABs killed some Claymores as they all were still waiting and "frozen" watching their dead Claymores' blood and guts spilling out.

So, Eva ain't unique in being "frozen" and "not doing anything". We see the same in the Pieta battle, even Miria herself, seems to be shown to be "frozen" and not doing anything as well, just like Eva was too.

Then there's also the "spiderman" male AB too, with Deneve, Helen, and Clare "frozen" as the male AB slices Miria, changes into his Awakened body/form, and jumps back onto the cliff wall/face.

Also, there's Riful, who was "frozen", and not doing anything, as Priscilla attacks and kills her.

[su5so]

What I'm wondering is if Tabitha could beat anastasia, because after seeing the chapter, I see it very possible. Because anastasia could only hurt slightly to awake, but the ghosts annihilated in an instant.
And after that, what level are Helen and Deneve? The level of a Number 1 or 2? ¿Or just the current generation is too weak?

[natli]

Dietrich is enough baggage for Deneve's group, why add those spares...?
Yagi has so much pages, and yet, nothing happens...

[HegemonKhan]

What I'm wondering is if Tabitha could beat anastasia, because after seeing the chapter, I see it very possible. Because anastasia could only hurt slightly to awake, but the ghosts annihilated in an instant.
And after that, what level are Helen and Deneve? The level of a Number 1 or 2? ¿Or just the current generation is too weak?


Dietrich is enough baggage for Deneve's group, why add those spares...?
Yagi has so much pages, and yet, nothing happens...


1. We learn that Anastasia (rank 7), Nike (rank 15), Keira (rank unknown), and Phina (rank unknown) aren't that powerful, or rather that their power simply matches their ranks, lol.

so, the 2 HAs (rank 15 Deneve and rank 22 Helen) are definately more powerful then them.

however, I'm not sure if we can say that the non-HAs (rank 14 Cynthia, rank 31 Tabatha, and rank 40 Yuma) are more powerful then rank 7 Anastasia (nor rank 8 Dietrich too). Yuma did easily defeat the nameless rank 14, but defeating rank 7 Anastasia (or rank 8 Dietrich) might be another matter.

2. this is my own rough ranking in their power levels:

Fully Awakened Clare = Unknown

Partially Awakened Clare = obviously at least far more powerful than a rank 2 Awakened (Rigardo). so, I'd say equal to a rank 1 Claymore or a rank 1 Awakened (an AO)

Claymore Clare (and maybe Miria and/or maybe Deneve) = rank 1-2 Claymores/Awakeneds or rank 3 Awakened

Miata = rank 1 Claymore, however she has still has quite detrimental "immaturity" flaws. Thus, she's a handicapped-weakened rank 1 Claymore, lol.

Helen = rank 3-5 Claymore or a rank 3 Awakened, however her Extendable Drill Sword mkaes her far more powerful, dangerous, and deadly than Galatea.

Galatea = rank 3 Claymore

Cynthia, Tabatha, and Yuma = rank 6-13 Claymores

Anastasia = rank 7 Claymore

Dietrich = rank 8 Claymore (presumably, as there's a debate whether she was demoted to rank 8 or demoted from rank 8)

(nameless) = rank 14 Claymore

Nike = rank 15 Claymore

3. Some of the ranks of Clarice's Era are seemingly weaker then Clare's Era of Claymores (excluding the exceptions of Clare's Era; the HAs, the Ghosts, Rafaela, and Clare).

4. Dietrich is revealed to be on the Ghosts' side fully now, with her realizing that her town was ordered destroyed by the Organization, and thus her "precious savior" Organization and which ever (unknown) specific Black Coat who saved her and took her in and made her into a Claymore, was really her enemy that destroyed her town.

The Ghosts are going to attack the Org HQs, they can use all the help they can get. So, Anastasia, Nike, Phina, and Keira could be helpful (though they could be detriments too however).

[Super Angillis]

Depends on wether or not the Ghosts convince this squad to turn against the Org. I think this might be where we really see the Ghosts policy towards the Claymores that still obay the Org get set.

I'll probably wait until after the first to do my review of this chapter.

[Moie]

1. We learn that Anastasia (rank 7), Nike (rank 15), Keira (rank unknown), and Phina (rank unknown) aren't that powerful, or rather that their power simply matches their ranks, lol.

so, the 2 HAs (rank 15 Deneve and rank 22 Helen) are definately more powerful then them.

however, I'm not sure if we can say that the non-HAs (rank 14 Cynthia, rank 31 Tabatha, and rank 40 Yuma) are more powerful then rank 7 Anastasia (nor rank 8 Dietrich too). Yuma did easily defeat the nameless rank 14, but defeating rank 7 Anastasia (or rank 8 Dietrich) might be another matter.

2. this is my own rough ranking in their power levels:

Fully Awakened Clare = Unknown

Partially Awakened Clare = obviously at least far more powerful than a rank 2 Awakened (Rigardo). so, I'd say equal to a rank 1 Claymore or a rank 1 Awakened (an AO)

Claymore Clare (and maybe Miria and/or maybe Deneve) = rank 1-2 Claymores/Awakeneds or rank 3 Awakened

Miata = rank 1 Claymore, however she has still has quite detrimental "immaturity" flaws. Thus, she's a handicapped-weakened rank 1 Claymore, lol.

Helen = rank 3-5 Claymore or a rank 3 Awakened, however her Extendable Drill Sword mkaes her far more powerful, dangerous, and deadly than Galatea.

Galatea = rank 3 Claymore

Cynthia, Tabatha, and Yuma = rank 6-13 Claymores

Anastasia = rank 7 Claymore

Dietrich = rank 8 Claymore (presumably, as there's a debate whether she was demoted to rank 8 or demoted from rank 8)

(nameless) = rank 14 Claymore

Nike = rank 15 Claymore

3. Some of the ranks of Clarice's Era are seemingly weaker then Clare's Era of Claymores (excluding the exceptions of Clare's Era; the HAs, the Ghosts, Rafaela, and Clare).

4. Dietrich is revealed to be on the Ghosts' side fully now, with her realizing that her town was ordered destroyed by the Organization, and thus her "precious savior" Organization and which ever (unknown) specific Black Coat who saved her and took her in and made her into a Claymore, was really her enemy that destroyed her town.

The Ghosts are going to attack the Org HQs, they can use all the help they can get. So, Anastasia, Nike, Phina, and Keira could be helpful (though they could be detriments too however).

so then i say which era should the ranks be compared to since clare's era is/was stronger than the current one? If we compare to Clare's era then the non-ghosts definitely drop in rank no? Also, from how Deneve performed of late, i'd say she's reached at least rank 2

As for the other ghosts, now that you mentioned they're not HA, i see an unfortunate future ahead.

[Godeye_Galatea]

I was surprised this chapter was released early. I was expecting it to see it on the first week of January. All in all it was decent. I enjoyed the same old Claymore in action scenes.

As for Anastasia, that is what I call resourceful! Yes, that was a very interesting feat. But that number 15 girl, I really can't still fully understand her ability. Is she jumping and tumbling in the air while cutting her enemies?

Still, I'm looking forward in the next chapters. I think the story is getting more appealing. Looks like its going to end soon. But I hope not!

[p1xel]

Hmm, nice chapter. But it was TOO SHORT. Really.
The plot is really interesting now, Anastasia power was nice.
I wonder what will happen next...will they take another 3 claymore to their team? I think there are enough people already.
I really hope for next arc to be something with the other land...
And what`s with Clare? I wanna know...

[Zehahaha]

I was surprised this chapter was released early. I was expecting it to see it on the first week of January. All in all it was decent. I enjoyed the same old Claymore in action scenes.

As for Anastasia, that is what I call resourceful! Yes, that was a very interesting feat. But that number 15 girl, I really can't still fully understand her ability. Is she jumping and tumbling in the air while cutting her enemies?

Still, I'm looking forward in the next chapters. I think the story is getting more appealing. Looks like its going to end soon. But I hope not!

It needs to end soon. The story have so much potential, but the fact it is monthly, not weekly release is killing it, so I prefer to finish it now rather than dragging it and make people lose interest in it. The fact that I had to read the previous chapter to remember what happened sucks... It is becoming like Berserk (even if Berserk is a lot more worse now)

If it was a weekly release, it'd be perfect. This arc will end faster, and also the author can do another arc to see the so called war between the dragonic tribe or whatever, and the organisation and stuff.

Anyway, it was a decent chapter, nothing really spectacular anyway

[Joe7133]

As for Anastasia, that is what I call resourceful! Yes, that was a very interesting feat. But that number 15 girl, I really can't still fully understand her ability. Is she jumping and tumbling in the air while cutting her enemies?


She sends a string of her hair flying to attach to her opponent and other object like web. Her hair has like Yoki energy, very low Yoki energy. Anastasia can step on her hair and make it look like she is fighting in mid air.

What I said earlier was my opinion, Yagi made this chapter too quick and it felt like he was just rushing. The hair thing was pretty dumb or pointless. Any good Yoki reader can see her Yoki hair thread. All the juicy plot and he just focus on this group. Not even finishing it too with an introduction of both group. There should have been at least 8 more pages to do that.

One more month of waiting isn't cool. :(

[HegemonKhan]

someone else on another site described Anastasia's ability very well:

Anastasia the Spider

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personally, I would like to still be reading Claymore when I'm 100 years old :D

(though if it were possible to make it a weekly, or even just a half-monthly, while KEEPING it's quality, that would obviously be best of course)

[ZERO PHOENIX]

Do I have to be the one to say it? Do I have to be that guy? OK.

That chapter was weak.

Sure we learned about Anastasia's technique and we learned more about her team. But let's actually iron out a few things before praising that exercise in patience. So we've seen that Anastasia has something of an aristocratic attitude similar to Galatea but she cares about her team in the same vein as Miria. She's a hottie but it's hard to say that she has depth when she's just a composite character. I'm not hating simply stating the facts. We've seen Anastasia in action for two chapters and this reader at least can safely say that she's Miria number two.:notrust Only difference is that Anastasia is still rolling with MIB.

Nike or whatever her name was is also Helen with a larger forehead and shorter hair. Do we really need another Helen? Really? I like Helen, I like her personality. Why do I like her? Because she's unique. When most of the Claymore's a hot babes whose personalities make them mostly unapproachable, Helen is the type of gal that you can introduce to your folks or just chill with. Anyone who hates Claymore's will change their minds after one drink with Helen. Unless she does something to them which we can't rule out. :amuse This jovial nonsense aside you get my point. Helen is the most human out of all the warriors, she has a great deal of depth in that regard as well I might add. She is special because in a world of monsters she is the closest thing to a human being.

I'm not dissing the Claymore's simply nailing down the appeal of Helen. She's as normal as you can get for someone who has the flesh of a monster. Enter Anastasia's teammate from stage right and we're looking at attack of the clones. And for anyone who took exception to me saying that she's just Helen with a larger forehead and shorter hair that's really all she is. My flames exist for facts, not characters. Helen's forehead isn't all that small either but her hair mutes that physical characteristic. Helen number two (Nike, Phina, or whatever her name was) has shorter hair thus the characteristc is not muted it is enhanced.

Anastasia's secret technique doesn't have any real battle applications. Let's keep it real. :notrust Don't get me wrong, there is a tremendous degree of potential there if she can use her yoki to constrict her hair, or if she could send yoki through it to paralyze her opponents. Even if she's able to use her hair like spider webs to set-up a parameter and pick up on any yoki signatures that enter her web great, but all she's doing is tight-rope walking. That's not exactly spectacular on behalf of our author.

The chapter before last gave us very little action but the content as a whole more than made up for it. This chapter however left little need to download or even go back for a second read.

[HegemonKhan]

Anastasia's "Web" Ability, does allow her to "change directions in the air", so in this sense, it has some advantages (albiet small and/or neglible) as no other Claymore can do this. Once a Claymore jumps, they're stuck on their trajectory, with only agile acrobatics when airborne to try to dodge attacks. This is why smart NYs (such as those "coached" and serving under Riful NYs in the Witches Maw at her lair's entrance), try to make the Claymores jump into the air. So, Anastasi's "Web" ability does give her this advantage. But, as I said, it's not much of an advantage/ability.

[White Silver King]

I would, of course, prefer Claymore to be weekly. It's one of my favorite mangas but this once a month thing is killing it especially since the chapters haven't been keeping up the 30+ page norm.

[HegemonKhan]

most chapters are 30 pages, i'm not sure what you're talking about, unless you mean the recent single ch 111, lol. that's hardly many chapters, at only 20 pages.

20 page chapters happen here and there, and....

there's A LOT of BIG STUFF COMING, so let's allow Yagi the time to prepare it for us!!! hehe :D

(I wouldn't be surprised if this short 20 page ch 111, is done to give Yagi more time to prepare something epic in the coming chapters, hehe)

yes, everyone would of course prefer it being weekly, but the question then is whether Claymore could keep its quality up.

Claymore just keeps getting more and more exciting and better! the wait though is annoying, hehe. everyone agrees on this, lol.

[Asahina]

I really don't care much about the quality. What I care most about is the story plot. And if does become a weekly series, I think the story plot may lose the same flavors it currently has. But it will still have the same narrow idea of what we want from the manga. The only problem is that this will only keep readers who are hardcore fans instead of the readers who what to read an evenly distributed stable manga.

I for one will like to have it come out once every 2 weeks. If it is all about quality, then the artist (who currently has an anime for his manga) should get more drawing assistants and stop making people wait for long periods of time.

[Zehahaha]

I really don't care much about the quality. What I care most about is the story plot. And if does become a weekly series, I think the story plot may lose the same flavors it currently has. But it will still have the same narrow idea of what we want from the manga. The only problem is that this will only keep readers who are hardcore fans instead of the readers who what to read an evenly distributed stable manga.

I for one will like to have it come out once every 2 weeks. If it is all about quality, then the artist (who currently has an anime for his manga) should get more drawing assistants and stop making people wait for long periods of time.

Exactly, it is the same thing with Berserk, I heard that he does all the job himself, while that sound great, I find it stupid considering that the manga began for like a long time ago and still haven't finished yet.

Claymore is a great manga, but the monthly release is slowly killing it, the story is really interesting, and there's a lot of developement that could be done, but I'm afraid that it will popularity if it continues to go like this.

[HegemonKhan]

Claymore fans are quite hardcore/fanatical. Heck, I hope I'll still be reading Claymore when I'm 100 years old, laughs :D (but this is just because I don't want Claymore to ever end, hehe).

I do agree that monthly is bad... but, I'm not willing to sacrifice quality for it. Even if Yagi only hires assistant artists for the drawing aspect of it, I can't see them being able to draw in the unique way that Yagi can and does with Claymore, and I don't even want to lose the art quality, let alone the story/plot quality! Also... the art quality *IS* the battle/fight/action quality for that matter, lol, and I definately don't want to lose this either. :(

[HegemonKhan]

Well, last chapter wasn't quality at all. lol! Too much holiday party for Yagi. He A. Winged the chapter. :)

can you expound on this? why do you say this? what made the chapter bad? do you expect every single chapter to be rivoting and epic? can there not be a "transitional" or a "building up/develping" chapters in between the rivoting/epic chapters? should we not have a chapter dedicated to giving us some info about these new Claymores and build a new suspense/mystery with these Awakening male humans? are they Infected Hosts from the Destroyer or its hellcats, or did Dae collect projectiles and then stab them into these male humans? or are these Awakening male humans something else entirely? And what about their reaction to Deneve's group? will they be hostile to Deneve's group? will they join deneve's group? or something else?

-this chapter imo had quite some significance, even if it wasn't as rivoting/epic like some of the previous chapters, especially the chapters involving the battle between Clare vs Priscilla vs Destroyer or Miria's seeming death.

[Joe7133]

HegemonKhan, every chapter that I read in Claymore was a lot better then this last chapter. I am speaking the truth. You can do what you want with my post. Go re-read every chapter and you can feel it that this last chapter wasn't really the quality that he always consistently put out. I really don't blame him, but I'm just boggle by it.

The chapter was short. The only thing we got to know in the chapter was Anastasia style of fighting. Did Anastasia really matter? What good is Anastasia when she is only a rank 7. It's like I said before, he should have put in at least 9 more page of the Ghost group and Anastasia group introducing each other.

This chapter seems more like a filler to me. Filler are for Naruto/Bleach. lol! This is Claymore and I am just questioning about Yagi having too much fun over the Holiday. He A. Winged the chapter. :) (Note: Note to be rude, just being humorous. I hope you know that.)

[Godeye_Galatea]

I think Yagi likes introducing new girls to us. :)

I do agree that the chapter was really short. And if we can still remember it was released early. On my part, I liked it. Yes, it was short and the quality can't be compared to the other chapter but I do find it interesting.

The revelation of Anastasia's ability was quite entertaining. Maybe she will play a notable role here. It makes us think, speculate, which I find amusing. Plus, that's much better than what happen to the former no. 7 Eva. I was really baffled to see her just die in Pieta, like a fodder.

I have this feeling that I missed something in my collection. I've known the ability of all single digits in that generation except for her so I was thinking what kind of ability did she had.

Now, with the new generation of warriors are all the single digits' ability been revealed? I think no. 6 of the current generation was still out of the scene right?

[HegemonKhan]

Renee:

the rank 6 Claymore of Clarice's Era, Renee (/Rene/Lune), was the replacement Eye for the "troublesome" rank 3 God Eye Galatea (but, not a replacement for Galatea's rank) during Clare's Era, and had also participated along with Rafaela in spying on the Pieta Battle and charged with executing any of the 24 Claymores should they try to run away, or possibly survive the battle. We don't know if Renee was a ranked Claymore during Clare's Era, nor what rank if she was, or if she was still a trainee as she stood with Rafaela watching over the Pieta battle. Rubel then uses Renee to look for the missing "it" (Rafaela+Luciela), but Renee gets captured by Riful+Dauf (who are the ones who "stole" Rubel's "it"), right after she investigated a killed NY, having thus encountered Raki+Priscilla (and Raki asks Renee that if she should come across Clare to tell her that he is alive and looking for her). Clare and Renee would just miss each other in Riful's forest castle, as Renee escapes on the pills (bad Dauf for not strip searching her! hehe) and Clare is "compelled" (Yoki control Ability) by the Destroyer to go to "it" (Rafaela+Luciela). Renee is spotted by Dauf, but he's not fast enough to catch her. Riful losses sight of Renee and attacks wildly desparately in all directions with her tentacles hoping to kill Renee with one of them. Riful does speak as if she did get/kill Renee and some people have pointed to a shadowy silowhet (can't spell) that slightly looks like a human-like form and say that this is the dead/killed Renee, but we are never shown clearly whether Renee truly is dead or not. However, she hasn't shown up since, so maybe she is indeed dead, killed by Riful.

As well as being an Eye, rank 6 Renee also has a seemingly natural high speed, like rank 6 Miria's speed (except Miria's Phantom Step at least is obviously not natural speed. Miria' "Mirage Step" is still a mystery as to whether it's an ability/non-natural speed or natural speed/non-ability).

As an Eye, Renee has a good DYSA (Distance Yoki Sensing Ability), and she was also able to connect/dive into the Destroyer's mind and "Stir" it. Clare would finish the "spirring" and cause it to Awaken.

[ZERO PHOENIX]

Claymore is a great manga, but the monthly release is slowly killing it, the story is really interesting, and there's a lot of developement that could be done, but I'm afraid that it will popularity if it continues to go like this.

I agree and disagree with your argument. I think that Claymore being released only once a month is indeed problematic. For the most part, Yagi does give us bang for our buck (as much as he can considering we're pirates) and he does consistently hold my interest. Every Claymore chapter isn't gold. That much is true. But I think Yagi does a lot better with one chapter than Kubo or Kishimoto does with a dozen. Yagi packs in so much content in a believable way with respect to his readership. But I would like to see Claymore released twice per month rather than once per month. So we agree here.

However, I couldn't care less if Claymore decreases in popularity. Part of the reason I got into Claymore is because it isn't mainstream. Mainstream titles tend to suck with very few exceptions and even titles that started off good (Bleach) become garbage once they go mainstream. Part of Claymore's appeal, for me at least is the fact that it is still very much an underground title. For example, mangafox has thousands of members but only about four of us read Claymore on that forum. I prefer it that way. The more underground a title is the better. Mainstream appeal leads to decay of an artform.

[Godeye_Galatea]

@HK
I think I mixed up Renee with Raftela. I thought her ranking was lower than rank no. 6. Thanks for pointing that out and giving me information about her ability and current situation.

So the current ranking goes like this:
1 - Alicia
2 - Beth (Can we consider ranks no. 1 and 2 vacant since they both died in battle with Priscilla? I'm expecting that the new twins will assume their ranks.)
3 - Audrey
4 - Miata
5 - Rachel
6 - Renee (Her whereabouts are still unsure right?)
7 - Anastasia
8 - Dietrich (Looks like she sided with the ghosts now.)
9 - Raftela

I remember back then before Galatea left the organization, Rimuto was bragging her about the 'New Eye' on process. Could this be Renee?

@ZERO_PHOENIX
I have to agree with you in this. The fact that Claymore is not a mainstream manga appeals to me. I'm really not into the mainstream. It makes me feel special. :amuse And its popularity does not matter to me unless if will affect the originality and flow of the story.

I really hate to see Claymore gets rushed into its end. It is such a beautiful story full of action, emotion and surprises.

[HegemonKhan]

the below is taken from here: http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1753178#post1753178

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the open spots/ranks from/in Clare's Era for these 12 Claymores + Clarice's Era Claymores:

Clarice's Era:

(-4 of the "is one of the survivors from Clare's Era" from this list because of the dead unknown ranks: Elena, Lucia, Kate, and Raquel, and -1 due to Renee as well)

rank 01: Alicia (deceased)
rank 02: Beth (deceased)
rank 03: Audrey
rank 04: Miata
rank 05: Rachel
rank 06: Renee (seems to be deceased, and she was from Clare's Era as an unknown rank)
rank 07: Anastastia
rank 08: Dietrich
rank 09: Nina
rank 10: Raftela, and presumably is from Clare's Era and thus one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 12: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 14: (unnamed), and is *NOT* one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 15: Nike
rank 16: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 19: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 21: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 23: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 25: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 26: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 28: (unnamed), and is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 29: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 33: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 34: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 35: (unnamed), and is *NOT* one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 38: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 42: (unnamed), and is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 45: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 46: is one of the survivors from Clare's Era
rank 47: Clarice
rank ??: Keira
rank ??: Phina

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(From Clare's Era)

01. rank 10: (presumably) Raftela, as how/why would Clare's Era's rank 10 unnamed (if there was/is one) get replaced by Clarice's Era's Raftela?
02. rank 12: ???
03. rank 16: ???
04. rank 19: ???
05. rank 21: ???
06. rank 23: ???
07. rank 25: ???
08. rank 26: ???
09. rank 28: is mentioned as one of the nameless Claymores in Clarice's Era
10. rank 29: ???
11. rank 42: is mentioned as one of the nameless Claymores in Clarice's Era

-5 (Elena, Lucia, Kate, Raquel, and Renee):

12. rank 34: ??? ("Raquel", we don't know what rank)
13. rank 38: ??? ("Lucia", we don't know what rank)
14. rank 45: ??? ("Kate", we don't know what rank)
15. rank 46: ??? ("Elena", we don't know what rank)
16. rank 33: ??? ("Renee", we don't know what rank)
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-HK

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Raftela is rank 10 (the one who ultimately caused Miria's seeming death), not rank 9 (Nina is the rank 9). she's the rank 10, the Claymore who specializes in battling other Claymores that the Org keeps secret and permanently at their HQs to protect them from a Claymore rebellion... :D

vs (their names are similar but they're completely different and unrelated. be careful not to confuse them)

Rafaela is rank 2 (Luciela's Era) and rank 5 (Clare's Era). According to Rubel, she has the power of a rank 1.

(sisters seem to be equal in power. Rubel says that rank 2 Rafaela is equal to her older sister Luciela. Also, rank 2 Beth seems closely equal to her sister rank 1 Alicia as well. Lastly, we got the Trainee Awakening Twin Sisters too, who are equal to each other. So, it's my theory that sisters are equal to each other in power, but since they can't have two rank 1's, one of them has to be the rank 2, even though they are really a rank 1)

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"I remember back then before Galatea left the organization, Rimuto was bragging her about the 'New Eye' on process. Could this be Renee?" -godeye_galatea

yes, this is Renee (/Rene/Lune). the same "new Eye" who, along with Rafaela, will/had spy/spied on the Pieta Battle.

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I guess the Trainee Awakening Twins were/are to be the successors for Alicia+Beth, but we don't know for sure, as they're not as powerful as Alicia+Beth, so them being the new rank 1 and 2 is hard for me to accept so readily.

[wickedsmile]

Hi Joe7133:

After reading chapter 111, I felt exactly as you did. I found that the chapter did not develop the storyline and didn't answer any of our questions raised in previous chapters. However, I believe Ryus or Gooral put that chapter into better perspective.

It's true that on it's own, Chapter 111 is nothing but a mindless fighting. It's similar to what you would see on any Marvel comic at any news stand. However, Yagi's individual chapters are part of a larger portions of the Claymore storyline. Ryus or Gooral compared 111 to one of the The Slashers chapters, where Miria fights the male awakened. I had the benefit of reading it years after its release and it made sense in the complete Slasher's arc. On its own, it would be "lack luster." So at this point, I would have to reserve judgment until I read the later chapters. I will conceded that there are some many potentially interesting sub plots with our present characters that the introduction of Anastasia and Nike appear pointless at this time.

It's true though, that Yagi hasn't given us anything as emotionally gripping as of late, as he did in the earlier chapters. You certainly don't have chapters that brought you tears such as Teresa's, Irene's or Jean's death. Miria's and Clare's (physical, we know she's part of the blob) death was shocking but not as emotionally draining as the prior mentioned events.

If Anastasia plays only a minor forgettable role in future chapters, then you will most definitely have spoken correctly (Yagi "winged" it.).

[White Silver King]

vWell, the spoilers are obviously fake... Though, I really like the idea that Miata could be the daughter of a former number one. She'd be about the right age to be Theresa's daughter and that would just be :m3j:onoz:maracas:spaz::luv:wtf

[Moie]

After NOT reading the comments and then guiltily skimming over some, i feel quite the same. Somewhat of a filler chap. EH... c'mon Yagi...
But w/e. All I know is claymore has quite a bit going for it so it's up to Yagi to see what direction he wants it going. It already has an anime which didn't have a garbage end to cut it straight off like other series. If it were weekly or even bi-monthly, a second season would be quite likely which would mean more money for Yagi and definitely more spotlight for Claymore. Then again, only Yagi knows Yagi eh...