Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk [Archive] - Page 7

Finestela

May 08, 2011, 06:41 AM

StrangerAtaru

May 08, 2011, 07:39 AM

I always thought Nube had a great ending, but that was a unique situation: the mangaka essentially said later they did the stories they wanted to early on and essentially tied up some loose ends when they lost popularity and came up with a really satisfying conclusion. There is also Otokojuku...but I think that series did it the greatest way possible: no one reading us anymore, let's just blow everything up and call it a day.

As for Naruto's situation...well it essentially is in an endgame scenario, the problem is just how long it will play out and how much the war is influenced by Kishi and how much by the Jump editors. We'll have to see how he does it, but the problem is both in trying to work to a conclusion and how many loose ends he needs to clean up to get to it.

ZayCon

May 08, 2011, 07:51 AM

Really good Bakuman chapter this week! Looking forward to this new arc :)

Also Beelzebub was funny. Alain as a sword was just epic!

Asgaroth

May 08, 2011, 08:56 AM

i think the ending of deaht note were perfect. his death ended his way of the story entirely, not to forget his characteristic with the wide open easy and commendaing attitude. yeah there are deathnote all over the world if he want to do something new in this universe, but he wont do it. its like a small chapter in the story of the earth, which began and ended with yagami lights life.

psyren was good at the beginning, but later got worse, so i don't think much of the end, but it seems to me to be well rounded up without loose ends.

ZayCon

May 08, 2011, 09:13 AM

Personally I think both the Death Note and the Dragonball ending was good. Psyren wasn't that good, and for me it was a little rushed. I also think the Prince of Tennis "ending" was amazing.

ChocoBar9

May 08, 2011, 12:17 PM

Talking about endings... Have any JUMP manga ever had a nice, satisfaying, conclusive ending???
Apart from Yu-Gi-Oh! which IMO seemed like an overall nice end to the series, I really can't think of any popular JUMP manga with a nice ending :/
You need to read more manga :eyeroll
Ring ni Kakero
Hokuto no Ken
Kimagure Orange Road
Rokudenashi Blues
Slam Dunk
Rurōni Kenshin
Hōshin Engi
Rookies
Eyeshield 21

All had relatively nice and conclusive endings, it's really just a matter or perspective, obviously YYH and Dragonball are endings that basically say "sorry guys I ran out of ideas so I'm wrapping things up" while Psyren and
Neuro or more "well, we got canceled" endings.
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Personally I think both the Death Note and the Dragonball ending was good. Psyren wasn't that good, and for me it was a little rushed. I also think the Prince of Tennis "ending" was amazing.
That ending was terrible and not very conclusive at all

Sayaendo

May 08, 2011, 12:47 PM

All had relatively nice and conclusive endings, it's really just a matter or perspective, obviously YYH and Dragonball are endings that basically say "sorry guys I ran out of ideas so I'm wrapping things up" while Psyren and
Neuro or more "well, we got canceled" endings.
Really? Neuro? I thought Neuro's ending was one of the most well paced, well built up and coherent ending in Jump (it was also really awesome and fun). It wasn't anywhere near the rushed mess the Psyren ending was.

That's neither here nor there though. Just wanted to point it out.

ChocoBar9

May 08, 2011, 12:50 PM

Really? Neuro? I thought Neuro's ending was one of the most well paced, well built up and coherent ending in Jump (it was also really awesome and fun). It wasn't anywhere near the rushed mess the Psyren ending was.
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I disagree, the final arc was a mess and the ending wasn't near as satisfying as you're making it out to be

Kaiten

May 08, 2011, 01:05 PM

I find it quite sad for a serie such as Naruto to do that. It's not like it has more than 500 chapters already. 1 or 2 volumes more won't really change. It's one of the big hit that will sell well forever. btw do we know what are the sale of Dragon ball in present days ? Honestly this make me stop reading it.
That's quite funny because when we learned that Kekkaishi would end in 2 chapters, everyone agree that it was really short. I guess the author can say stop when he really wants to.

The last few months of Naruto were kind of lame, but the truth is some of the most epochal moments in Jump history were thought up by the editors, not mangaka. An editor insisted that Naruto have a rival, thus Kishi created Sasuke. Like him or not the series is better for having him. If it were not for his editor, Toriyama would never have written an action manga. He's a comedy mangaka, but action hero series like Fist of the North Star was the hot genre when Dr. Slump ended. So Toriyama created an action series with gag manga art: Dragonball. Which would have ended with Frieza without editorial interference.

Talking about endings... Have any JUMP manga ever had a nice, satisfaying, conclusive ending???
Apart from Yu-Gi-Oh! which IMO seemed like an overall nice end to the series, I really can't think of any popular JUMP manga with a nice ending :/
Please not SPOILERS, or put SPOILERS or something LOL.
What I mean is.. I can't think of an ending which wasn't an open-ending... Like if the author feel like it he/she could continue its story.
I.e. Dragon Ball's ending, which I guess most will be familiar with (and if not.. Go read it!) if Toriyama ever felt like doing a continuation he just makes it so that Goku and Uub finished their training and a villian appears..

Dragonball ended like it did because Toriyama wanted to end fourteen volumes and three arcs earlier. Yu-Gi-Oh hasn't ended yet, there have been countless continuations and spin offs.

That ending was terrible and not very conclusive at all

Prince of Tennis has not ended yet either. The first chapter of Shin PoT picks up right where the last Weekly Jump chapter left off.

Googlez_kun

May 08, 2011, 01:08 PM

Dragonball ended like it did because Toriyama wanted to end fourteen volumes and three arcs earlier. Yu-Gi-Oh hasn't ended yet, there have been countless continuations and spin offs.

But do they count as canon?I mean,did Takahashi actually work on GX and 5 D's(and now Zextral(sp?))?

Kaiten

May 08, 2011, 01:18 PM

Kenshin... Sort of
Neuro, not really
Death Note, definitely not
Level E, Typical Togeshi's "I'm bored so let's cut it" ending
I''s... Erm... I'm a bit on the fence for this one
Have not read, so can't comment on these: Sandland, Kajika, Cowa

I don't know, my personal view on a proper ending would be something along the lines of Ushio to Tora and Rave.

I thought Death Notes ending was pretty good. The problem, to me, was that it should have ended earlier. There were to many useless arcs before the ending.

Level E definitely had an abrupt ending, but at least it was a short semi-episodic series. The fact that there it had nothing like a conclusive ending doesn't hurt it in my opinion. Still a classic.

Yep, which is why I said you can call him not letting go, even though the arcs could be seen as independent series by itself, and it wouldn't really hurt you if you skip one or two and read the newer ones. :p

I've heard you could pick the series up with any of the arc, so long as you know plot basics. I still haven't read any. The only thing I've read by Araki is Lives of Eccentrics (http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=33311), which is quite fantastic.

But do they count as canon?I mean,did Takahashi actually work on GX and 5 D's(and now Zextral(sp?))?

I don't know if you can really draw a line because the series has been passed down to another writer. Yu-Gi-Oh is as much a brand as a manga now anyway, I suppose.

Galactic Tomahawk

May 08, 2011, 01:18 PM

I liked Neuro's ending as well. Considering how much extra time Matsui used to wrap everything up (He meant to end it the year before he actually did) it's not anywhere near what I'd call a "Well, we got cancelled" scenario. He could have done it to avoid cancellation down the road, but I'm pretty certain he was able to end things on his own terms.

I don't think an open ended conclusion necessarily means they ran out of ideas or got canned, some writers just don't want to totally shut the door on their universe when they're done.

saladesu

May 08, 2011, 01:21 PM

Don't forget we have a thread for Best Manga Endings (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68369) :)

Anyway, I thought Psyren had a decent ending for the situation it was in. It could have been a lot better, yes, but given the circumstances, it was probably the best we could have asked for. Way better than say, Double Arts. I also quite liked Rurouni Kenshin's ending. The manga could have been longer, but it was satisfying as it was, imo.

Kaiten

May 08, 2011, 01:30 PM

Double Arts was a little different. Komi seemed to struggle to maintain a coherent story, Double Arts seemed to lose direction by the end of volume 1. That is why I think it was canceled in the first place, initial chapters polled in the top 5 but crashed as the story wore on. There was no way it was going to end well.

Koen

May 08, 2011, 06:43 PM

Imo DA's problem wasn't an issue of (in)coherent story but it was more an issue of the pace. I think that you can not blame Komi having lost a certain thin red line in his story. Hist story was always very good, interesting and spot on but it didn't progress at all. The pace was so slow and reading a chapter was more a boredom than an enjoyment. He was a victim of the total opposite. Most mangaka rush things because they don't know it anymore, Komi slowed things because he knew it.

Finestela

May 08, 2011, 07:02 PM

Psyren's ending got scrambled a bit by the introduction of Nova. While I love the concept of Nova, Psyren just didn't have enough time left to let it really shine, and it turned into a God-mode/Ex Deus Machina of the series.

As far as DA's pacing goes, I think it boils down to how you define "Pace". The flow speed of the chapter seemed fine to me (compare to Bleach or Naruto = ="), the problem is more of "ok, something happened, but what does it tell you in terms of overall story?", the development of the overall plot.

Kaiten

May 08, 2011, 07:34 PM

As far as DA's pacing goes, I think it boils down to how you define "Pace". The flow speed of the chapter seemed fine to me (compare to Bleach or Naruto = ="), the problem is more of "ok, something happened, but what does it tell you in terms of overall story?", the development of the overall plot.

That was exactly what I thought. When the first villain (I forget the names) was introduced, they had a short fight, but not even the smallest detail was revealed about DA's world. He was introduced, they fought, he left, and things carried on as if nothing had happened. The manga itself was very likable, I was rooting for it from beginning to end, but he wasted a lot of potential. I still think he is capable of writing a great manga, I am really looking forward to his next serialization.

I gave up on Psyren long before the ending, I really have nothing to say about it. My favorite ending for a cancelled series was Dogashi Kaden. I loved having the main character break his arm (?), ruining his freshman season before it started. Great analogy for a canceled sports series :XD

Divinenega

May 08, 2011, 08:47 PM

As far as Psyren goes, I think the ending by itself was great. It;s just that everything leading to that point for the last 15 chapters or so before then was bad.

R4n

May 09, 2011, 12:59 AM

All had relatively nice and conclusive endings, it's really just a matter or perspective, obviously YYH and Dragonball are endings that basically say "sorry guys I ran out of ideas so I'm wrapping things up"

this is rather off topic, but i just want to say this

Toriyama-sensei wanted to end Dragonball much earlier several times before the real ending. But it got vetoed by his editor(s) that persuaded him to add more arcs because it was so popular.
To be honest, i can't see it go longer than what it is. Goku and his friends had grown too strong that adding more enemies for them to beat up doesn't really make sense, plot-wise. The fact was lampshaded numerous times in the Buu arc.

SoulEaterFreak

May 09, 2011, 01:54 AM

Little info about Jump #23
Official Release Date: Monday, 16th May

New Series: "Hanasaka Ikkyu" by Kenta Komiyama ⁄ Yuya Kawada(Cover & Lead Color Page)
SKET DANCE(Color Page)
magico (Color Page)

Asgaroth

May 09, 2011, 12:02 PM

Negative Syndicate

May 09, 2011, 12:37 PM

SoulEaterFreak

May 09, 2011, 12:39 PM

again colour for magico and sket dance? is a colour page such a boost that is wasted to give one of it to Nurarihyon no Mago? it not like a anticipate it, its just kinda unfair and somehow unlogical. i mean why should they boost one piece, its not like that there isn't someone out there who doesn't know about it.

Well, for SKET DANCE it's (again) thanks to the anime. For magico it's thanks to the popularity it's got (but did enigma have this much color pages after only 10 chapter?), Nura will get a color page when they think it deserves it :D As for One Piece...I think it's just great for the fans to have color pages of it since they're always funny and unique. At some point I also think it's quite unfair, but not unlogical.

k-dom

May 09, 2011, 12:55 PM

They need color pages for one piece to sell the color walk... Plus i'm afraid Oda makes some of the best color spread of jump but that is a matter of taste

MIhata

May 09, 2011, 01:05 PM

again colour for magico and sket dance? is a colour page such a boost that is wasted to give one of it to Nurarihyon no Mago?

Last year Mago had 12 or 13 color pages and 3 or 4 covers.

[Cross]

May 09, 2011, 01:46 PM

Last year Mago had 12 or 13 color pages and 3 or 4 covers.

and last year they were hyping it up for the anime, I could be over generalizing though. Has it gotten any colour pages in the interim time between season 1 and the upcoming season 2?

Also would it be too hopeful to believe that they'll give mago colour pages since season 2 is about to start running again?

Jaymie

May 09, 2011, 02:46 PM

IMO, the editors view color pages as an award. If a new series does well, BAM, a crapload of color pages (Magico and Enigma). If a series gets an Anime, BAM, even more color pages (Sket Dance).

Estranho

May 09, 2011, 02:58 PM

IMO, the editors view color pages as an award. If a new series does well, BAM, a crapload of color pages (Magico and Enigma). If a series gets an Anime, BAM, even more color pages (Sket Dance).

I don't see like an award. IMO, it's more like business.
"Oh, this serie is doing pretty good in rankings, so let's put it in a spot where everyone who didn't read yet will see it. That way, the serie gets a lot more popular and will be a great source of money."

The same works with animes.

SSJWill4

May 09, 2011, 09:12 PM

Well, for SKET DANCE it's (again) thanks to the anime. For magico it's thanks to the popularity it's got (but did enigma have this much color pages after only 10 chapter?), Nura will get a color page when they think it deserves it :D As for One Piece...I think it's just great for the fans to have color pages of it since they're always funny and unique. At some point I also think it's quite unfair, but not unlogical.

Enigma had 4 color pages by chapter 11. Magico has accomplished this by chapter 10.

Kaiten

May 09, 2011, 11:32 PM

Mago was polling better last year. Getting an anime didn't hurt either.

Magico is getting color because it has been polling relatively well earlier on. Putting it in the middle of the magazine is a nice bump to buoy early success.

Asarii

May 09, 2011, 11:49 PM

SKET DANCE doesn't have as many covers as the others so I'm glad it's having a colour page regardless of the anime. :) It never hurts to promote a series that deserves it.

I read Godland's Company a while ago and found it enjoyable. The humor was a nice touch, and the characters were well-established for a one-shot. Hopefully it'll get a good reception from the readers! I've been waiting for Iwashiro-sensei's new work for a while.

SoulEaterFreak

May 10, 2011, 05:15 AM

from Sasaki's twitter:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4426/jack23.jpg
Cover of issue #23

Googlez_kun

May 10, 2011, 07:03 AM

This face looks kinda odd on the cover,but the art should be great judging from the one-shot(even though it still reminds me of Naruto>_>)
I'm looking forward to it.

Teeba

May 10, 2011, 07:17 AM

Aww, I remember this oneshot! I thought it was really cute. I'm looking forward to reading it!

And while the art does remind me of present-Naruto, I think the story will be different. This is more focused on puns and, well, it would be really odd if it had a genre shift into a fighting manga. =/

StrangerAtaru

May 10, 2011, 07:53 AM

(joking) OK, who decided to give Naruto and Piccolo their own manga? (end joke)

We'll see considering how full the magazine is. Obviously with as many successful series in it now, it does feel really top heavy (even with some of the more successful bottom dwellers that are trying to hang on like Shinigami and Medaka and Mago) so it will be interesting to see how things play out the next couple months.

Negative Syndicate

May 10, 2011, 08:03 AM

When new series released, it usually writes "New Series Part 1" or something similar on cover. But Ikkyuu's cover didn't say about being part 1 of new series line-up. Is that means there only one new series?

[Cross]

May 10, 2011, 08:17 AM

When new series released, it usually writes "New Series Part 1" or something similar cover. But Ikkyuu's cover didn't say about being part 1 of new series line-up. Is that means there only one new series?

Considering what strangerataru said, it would at least make sense. The magazine does seem rather full doesn't it? The only series I can see ending would technically have to be the new series coming in, enigma seems to have established itself, magico is looking good so far and it doesn't look like sengoku armors is doing bad either, dois sol seems to be the next one to go since it's the only relative new thing to be ranking poorly right now.

Finestela

May 10, 2011, 08:21 AM

Enigma had 4 color pages by chapter 11. Magico has accomplished this by chapter 10.

1 chapter earlier isn't that big of a deal... As much as I like the development so far, I'm still worried >_<"
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Not sure if it's been posted or not (don't recall seeing it):

July Release Schedule for WSJ Manga:

KochiKame Vol. 175
Gintama Vol. 40
Reborn Vol. 35
Sket Dance Vol. 19
Toriko Vol. 15
Kuroko Vol. 13
Beelze Vol. 12
Shinigami Vol. 9
Grimm Vol. 1
Magico Vol. 1

R4n

May 10, 2011, 08:21 AM

*laugh* just like what everybody had said, the art really reminds me of Naruto.
When the preview was loading, i thought: "Oh hey, why does Naruto look weird this week?" then "hmm... hey why there is a smaller Naruto besides the weird-looking one??" :D

Jaymie

May 10, 2011, 08:47 AM

I love how Naruto doesn't look out of place at all on the cover.

[Cross]

May 10, 2011, 10:24 AM

While not the most definitive of polls

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-05-10/goo-poll/which-manga-is-why-you-buy-shonen-jump

kochi kame over everything but one piece, woot

SoulEaterFreak

May 10, 2011, 10:39 AM

;2437263']While not the most definitive of polls

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-05-10/goo-poll/which-manga-is-why-you-buy-shonen-jump

kochi kame over everything but one piece, woot

Wow, quite surprising but if you think about it, so many people read manga in Japan and since Kochikame is the oldest one in the magazine there should be quite a few people who still read there "childhood" manga even if they're 45 years old now xD Maybe it's a bigger surprise that One Piece is over Kochikame than the other way around :D

saladesu

May 10, 2011, 11:14 AM

Yeah, I saw that list too :D

Not surprised with One Piece's ranking at all :XD I'm quite surprised by Kochi Kame's ranking, I thought that with Jump's readership (younger teens), that most adults who have been following Kochi Kame since they were young actually bought the volumes rather than read the chapters every week (my boss who is Japanese does that).

I'm happy to see Mago on that list though! I half expected it not to be on the list with how poorly it's been ranking for quite some time now :s

R4n

May 10, 2011, 11:18 AM

;2437263']While not the most definitive of polls

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-05-10/goo-poll/which-manga-is-why-you-buy-shonen-jump

kochi kame over everything but one piece, woot

I am extremely happy to see Enigma at 13th place despite its age. :D
Again, i am curious about age and gender statistics of KHR readers. I got a 'hunch' that its main readership prefers to buy the tanks rather than the mags. But that kind of statistic is almost impossible to gather, isn't it.

and it is funny how HunterxHunter is placed quite high on the list despite not being in the magazine 95% of the time...

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EDIT: but if i think about it, that list might not be accurate. Can I ask how did the portal gather the vote? :o How did the website make sure that the ones who answered the survey really ARE the ones who bought WSJ? Assuming it is just a random internet poll, i could just have picked Enigma as the 'reason i buy jump' despite me never bought WSJ at all...
If the poll is done through hardcopy postcards in the wsj magazines, it should be much more accurate.
With those factors in mind, i decide not to trust the poll at all.

SoulEaterFreak

May 10, 2011, 11:19 AM

I'm happy to see Mago on that list though! I half expected it not to be on the list with how poorly it's been ranking for quite some time now :s

happy to see it on the list or to see it in a relatively good position? Just asking because even DOIS SOL and Sengoku ARMORS are there ^_^

And strange that magico's not there.

Zeltrax

May 10, 2011, 11:20 AM

Even though knowing how good gintama is, Im still surprised that its one of the top 5 :wtf . Toriko seems to be living up to its name, ranking above the others.

saladesu

May 10, 2011, 11:30 AM

happy to see it on the list or to see it in a relatively good position? Just asking because even DOIS SOL and Sengoku ARMORS are there ^_^

And strange that magico's not there.

Oh, actually, the list I saw was on a Japanese site and only had until #10 (Mago's rank) so I didn't even know DOIS SOL and Sengoku ARMORS even made the list (albeit in "not so good" positions) :sweat

So yeah, correction would be "happy to see Mago in a relatively good position" :) And yeah, I am surprised magico's not on the list at all :headscratch

Also, cool that HxH is #9 despite being on hiatus so often.

[Cross]

May 10, 2011, 11:37 AM

EDIT: but if i think about it, that list might not be accurate. Can I ask how did the portal gather the vote? :o How did the website make sure that the ones who answered the survey really ARE the ones who bought WSJ? Assuming it is just a random internet poll, i could just have picked Enigma as the 'reason i buy jump' despite me never bought WSJ at all...
If the poll is done through hardcopy postcards in the wsj magazines, it should be much more accurate.
With those factors in mind, i decide not to trust the poll at all.

I did say it wasn't really a definitive poll. It's a poll in what I'm assuming is a widely used internet search engine/portal, akin to a poll on Yahoo.com, so take that as you will. Though the fact that Magico is not on is a bit weird, did it do so bad that it didn't place? Especially considering that it started one week before Sengoku Armors.

saladesu

May 10, 2011, 11:52 AM

I don't trust the poll at all either, but I think it's still a fairly decent reflection of how popular the various series are, even if it doesn't necessarily show the "series for which they buy Jump". Just take it as another of those "which is your favorite series in Jump" kinda poll... :)

Like [Cross] said, goo is just a Japanese search engine and is one of the more popular ones and pretty well-known for its rankings, so yes it's like any random poll you might find on Yahoo.com.

SoulEaterFreak

May 10, 2011, 11:52 AM

;2437402']I did say it wasn't really a definitive poll. It's a poll in what I'm assuming is a widely used internet search engine/portal, akin to a poll on Yahoo.com, so take that as you will. Though the fact that Magico is not on is a bit weird, did it do so bad that it didn't place? Especially considering that it started one week before Sengoku Armors.

Exactly! That's why I thought it's strange and even more because it seems to be so popular with the fans considering the number of color pages and also the places it had on the TOC.

[Cross]

May 10, 2011, 11:56 AM

Exactly! That's why I thought it's strange and even more because it seems to be so popular with the fans considering the number of color pages and also the places it had on the TOC.

Well remember, this poll doesn't reflect the TOC that much, considering that Kochikame is second to One Piece, which is starkly different to the TOC. It could just be that Magico actually did ranked that low.

SoulEaterFreak

May 10, 2011, 12:03 PM

;2437434']Well remember, this poll doesn't reflect the TOC that much, considering that Kochikame is second to One Piece, which is starkly different to the TOC. It could just be that Magico actually did ranked that low.

that's true...better not to think much about it :XD But thanks anyway^^

meeedoooz

May 10, 2011, 12:04 PM

saladesu

May 10, 2011, 12:06 PM

@meeedoooz: It was for users of goo (Japanese search engine), which is mostly made of Japanese users (since it is in Japanese) :)

meeedoooz

May 10, 2011, 12:12 PM

so what is the big idea it's well known that one piece is japan's favorite manga and it's shown in the toc every week no matter what the chapters are like :D

Drmke

May 10, 2011, 12:46 PM

Love the cover! :tem

And it's interesting to see Sengoku tied with Medaka and Shinigami in that poll despite just starting recently. Good news maybe?

Josl

May 10, 2011, 01:05 PM

Was it possible to vote for more than one choice? I mean multiple choice like

k-dom

May 10, 2011, 02:25 PM

so what is the big idea it's well known that one piece is japan's favorite manga and it's shown in the toc every week no matter what the chapters are like :D

In TOC you votes for a chapter you have just read. This poll looks like a measurement of your expectation of the series. So the TOC is very local and judge the past while this one is more global and your hopes for the future

But even with that mago difference in ranking are indeed a bit surprising

meeedoooz

May 10, 2011, 03:06 PM

well i've come to think after following that thread and the TOC for two months that it's a popularity thing for the top 2 and one piece more than any, no matter what the chapters are like it always gets the first place unless there is a color cover for another manga and that poll is the same... both of them can be called popularity contest and that's the deal with any other poll no matter what it is there is no fair judgment , that goes for naruto most of the times too

[Cross]

May 10, 2011, 03:15 PM

If I recall, issue #12 had Bakuman over One Piece clean right? It was the oddest day in my life.

Asgaroth

May 10, 2011, 04:09 PM

;2437836']If I recall, issue #12 had Bakuman over One Piece clean right? It was the oddest day in my life.

maybe they forgot to put one piece on the paper so just a "few" smart kidz wrote it done themself? :-D

Jaiden82

May 10, 2011, 04:44 PM

;2437263']While not the most definitive of polls

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-05-10/goo-poll/which-manga-is-why-you-buy-shonen-jump

kochi kame over everything but one piece, woot

Nice poll. Am glad to see that people are still interested in kochikame with all the other stuff that's out there. I am surprised that Dois Sol made the list though.

salam-daim

May 10, 2011, 06:40 PM

the big info for the poll is kochikame is not included in vote for TOC ... we have doubt about that, now it's confirmed

about one piece, it's get the first place since 1997

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/5346/statsjump6hs.gif

only in 2005 naruto surpass one piece ... without doubt in 3 most attractives chapters (that's proposed in vote), I will always add one piece ... :tem :p

Kaiten

May 10, 2011, 07:57 PM

well the fact that the poll doesn't reflect the TOC is confusing , since both depend on readers opinions... i actually don't understand that , and how did HXH end up there ? i guess it's like what saladesu said...

i just have one question : was that poll for Japanese readers only ?

Because the site is a web portal a good proportion of voters may not buy Jump to vote. One Piece is like Harry Potter, everyone seems to love it, and KochiKame is an institution. People who don't read or buy Jump would have heard of both.

Finestela

May 10, 2011, 09:46 PM

It's actually really easy to explain the differences.

1. As mentioned several times already, the reader feedback weighs the younger male votes much heavier than everyone else.

2. You can see the methodology and the demographic spread of the poll here (http://ranking.goo.ne.jp/sp/info/r201103/). As you can see, the majority of the respondents are in the 30's and 40's group.

(EDIT) 3. This poll was exclusively tallying the male respondents, even though there were more female respondents in their raw data.

This is why it will not match up perfectly with the rankings, because the two are weighed differently.

meeedoooz

May 11, 2011, 03:07 AM

One Piece is like Harry Potter, everyone seems to love it,

i don't know about that. harry potter is popular and known world wide not just in one country ... but sure if you are talking about japan one piece is the most popular ever

salam-daim

May 11, 2011, 03:54 AM

one piece is number 1 in every otaku community, in france and USA, here in otaku cafe, it's the most popular manga

Oberon

May 11, 2011, 04:40 AM

http://thumbnails27.imagebam.com/13172/103300131716888.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/103300131716888)

ToC Issue Jump #23:
Hanasaka Ikkyu (Cover & Lead Color Page, New Series)
One Piece
Toriko
Naruto
Reborn!
Sket Dance (Color Page)
Gintama
Bakuman
Beelzebub
Magico (Color Page)
Enigma
Medaka Box
Grimm
Bleach
Inumaru Dashi
Kuroko No Basket
Sengoku Armors (First Rank)
Kochikame
Nurarihyon No Mago
Dois Sol
Hokenshitsu No Shinigami

Issue Jump #24:
Toriko (Cover & Lead Color Page)

Koen

May 11, 2011, 04:44 AM

Ha, nice to see Toriko in a second spot. Been awhile it could beat naruto and bleach simultaneously but oh well, going by its ToC, beating bleach isn't difficult anymore :) I really can't imagine that this is sengoku armors first rank. It is very unlikely that series start away awful immediately but oh well, it is an axe as I kinda feared :)

And nice that we have a Toriko cover next week :confetti

Nayrael

May 11, 2011, 05:15 AM

Pure rankings:

1. One Piece
2. Toriko
3. Naruto
4. Reborn!
5. Gintama
6. Bakuman
7. Beelzebub
8. Enigma
9. Medaka Box
10. Grimm
11. Bleach
12. Inumaru Dashi
13. Kuroko No Basket
14. Sengoku Armors
15. Nurarihyon No Mago
16. Dois Sol
17. Hokenshitsu No Shinigami

Divinenega

May 11, 2011, 06:25 AM

Beautiful, beautiful week. I;m glad to see Enigma and Medaka Box above Bleach where they belong and glad to see Reborn in the top 4. Bit sad to see Sengoku Armors so low right off the bat though, and Mago is still pretty low, but I guess everything can;t be perfect...

Jaymie

May 11, 2011, 06:40 AM

Ouch Sengoku. But Bleach's ranking is perfect in every way. Way to go Japan.

We now have 20 series, and 21 if you count HiatusxHiatus.

Finestela

May 11, 2011, 06:46 AM

A bit sad to see Bleach going down as low as it is right now, but oh well.

Reborn and Medaka Box are up A LOT.

First ranking for Sengoku Armors is a bit surprising. If it did get this low, I would think the editors would place it lower in the Ch.1~8 ToC positioning to let the fans know.

What gets on my nerve the most is how Magico keeps getting the short end of the stick, by having the last CP spot :/

[Cross]

May 11, 2011, 07:15 AM

hoho what a present for Medaka Box's second year anniversary, above Bleach.

Jaiden82

May 11, 2011, 07:23 AM

Am glad to see Reborn in the top 5 something I haven't seen in a while.:) Bleach being in the teens is sad for me, most people don't care but I do dammit. It will rise from the ashes just wait and see. Sengoku Armors first rank is surprising, thought it would have done a little bit better.

Asclepius

May 11, 2011, 07:33 AM

Bleach remained in the same arc with the same pace in the last 8 chapters. So expect it to stay like that for the next 8 weeks,till the small fight gets ranked.
I am enjoying the chapters more than Naruto lately, but it seems that the WSJ readers disagree.

StrangerAtaru

May 11, 2011, 07:46 AM

Well Bleach is finally out of the top 10...I say "get what you deserved", but I know how that would get on people's nerves so I won't. It does explain the increased pace Kubo has as of late...but I wouldn't start crying utter collapse until/unless it starts reaching bottom-five level.

Not too bad a TOC this week with Enigma and Medaka tossing Bleach aside and Toriko in the 2-slot.

And KochiKame...yeah, I've said that for years: when you have 35 years in the same magazine, you really are immune to everything. This pretty much should give Akimoto the leeway to just keep going no matter what his tales are. And the whole "volumes sell better than chapters" just reminds me a lot of Archie Comics, where the little mini-digests they have at supermarkets sell more than the comic books.

ZayCon

May 11, 2011, 07:47 AM

Yay for Bleach being that low! Hope it would get Kubo to open his eyes and give us some great chapters again.

Partly agree with you Asclepius. I don't really enjoy either of them right now. Hope they'll get better again :)

meeedoooz

May 11, 2011, 08:46 AM

i'm so sad for bleach's rank :(

Rejuvenation

May 11, 2011, 09:06 AM

I love this ToC!

Medaka gets its best rank in weeks and is above Bleach. Bleach outside of the top 10. Also more cushion for the bottom 5 has appeared.

One Piece and Toriko take the 1 and 2 slots. Bakuman was close to the top 5 and we get Sket Dance color. Best ToC for me in weeks.

;2438818']hoho what a present for Medaka Box's second year anniversary, above Bleach.

A beautiful present it is!

Teeba

May 11, 2011, 10:14 AM

Aww, for once, I actually liked the chapter Bleach was ranked for. :( And Beelzebub is slightly lower than it was last week...I'm not sure if this is a good week, but its definitely a good week for Medaka Box!

And I hope the high ranking for Magico means it'll be in Jump for a long while. :D

Asgaroth

May 11, 2011, 10:52 AM

yeah way to go medaka! don't understand why torika is in second place, but yeah, reborn is up to... and i thought it would go the direction of being axed in the next 2 years.

Kaiten

May 11, 2011, 10:56 AM

Cautionary tale for young mangaka: don't right a six month long training arc. Its boring and gets on fans nerves. This arc has been so slow that it effected post count in the Bleach forum >.>;

Asclepius

May 11, 2011, 11:21 AM

Cautionary tale for young mangaka: don't right a six month long training arc. Its boring and gets on fans nerves. This arc has been so slow that it effected post count in the Bleach forum >.>;

You noticed? ^_^
I told some friends how the last 2 chapters of D.Gray-man got over 150 posts in 24h while Bleach got barely 40-50.
The interesting part for me isn't on the training by the way. I don't like trainings. ^_^

Galactic Tomahawk

May 11, 2011, 11:43 AM

I'm kinda wondering if they actually are depimping Bleach now

Or at least just not promoting it anymore like they used to.

Drmke

May 11, 2011, 12:27 PM

Sengoku and Sol both doing bad? I should just stop reading new series >.>

Sayaendo

May 11, 2011, 02:07 PM

Crude

May 11, 2011, 02:11 PM

I was just about to read the first chapter of Sengoku Armors when I saw this latest TOC. Now I'm not sure I should read it anymore and get my hopes up, but I probably will anyway. Man has Bleach gone down... hope that serves as a wakeup call for Kubo (he really needs to stop dragging stuff). It's nice to see that Reborn has finally gone up! This arc has been pretty great overall (though I wish the fights were just a bit longer). Bakuman seems to be doing good, and so is Enigma. All in all, a pretty great TOC!

kewl0210

May 11, 2011, 02:19 PM

Yeah. Bleach isn't doing so good.
But like I said, it's gonna have good sales regardless, even if they do go down.
Toriko at #2 and getting a cover's awesome.

And Reborn is high again for the first time in a while.

In general, most of the good series are doing good.

HXH has been on hiatus for about a year now. I'm hoping it'll get an announcement for when it'll resume soon.

Jaymie

May 11, 2011, 02:37 PM

Bleach doesn't have as big of a hardcore base as One Piece or Naruto. Fans of those two series will vote for them no matter what, most likely even if Oda or Kishi pull a "HxH Chapter 299" on us. Bleach has more... casual fans that aren't afraid to not vote for it if they don't like what's going on.

That's my take on Bleach being out of the top ten, anyway.

k-dom

May 11, 2011, 02:43 PM

yeah way to go medaka! don't understand why torika is in second place, but yeah, reborn is up to... and i thought it would go the direction of being axed in the next 2 years.

I'm quite surprise to because the start of the pyramid arc did not appeal me that much. What will it be when it reach the currents chapters which are much impressive ?

Asgaroth

May 11, 2011, 03:43 PM

I don't wanna sound like a dick, but really, what's with the obsession with Sengoku Armors? I hated it (and I was ready to hit myself if it ranked good)

yeah the series was quite boring. gave up by chapter 2, but the one-shot was really good!

Galactic Tomahawk

May 11, 2011, 04:15 PM

It's boring, but I wouldn't mind if it got a chance to develop. It's something I could see improving over time.

Asgaroth

May 11, 2011, 04:24 PM

It's boring, but I wouldn't mind if it got a chance to develop. It's something I could see improving over time.

maybe it could, but it doesn't seems like it will have the chance. who thought at the beginning that sengoku will be axed and not magico? yeah quite suprising =)

PS: yeah new chapter bleach, amazing style BUT no development. i wished kubo would just be an artist for someone. it would be 1000 times better than this. didn't they say he is a genius because of his art style? i thought i read it here sometimes ago.

Drmke

May 11, 2011, 04:34 PM

I don't wanna sound like a dick, but really, what's with the obsession with Sengoku Armors? I hated it (and I was ready to hit myself if it ranked good). Magico, on the other hand, is fantastic.

I mean that as a real question. It'll be nice if someone detailed what he liked about Sengoku Armors.

I don't think it's really an obsession so much as it is that people seem to be eager for a new action series to take hold and whenever a decent one shows up (Akaboshi, Sengoku, etc.), they get all wound up. I personally just like the setting of Sengoku so far. I wasn't bored when reading it so hoped it could do well especially with the high placement it was receiving...course now that seems to have been just trolling on the part of the editors >.>

Divinenega

May 11, 2011, 04:47 PM

I don't think it's really an obsession so much as it is that people seem to be eager for a new action series to take hold and whenever a decent one shows up (Akaboshi, Sengoku, etc.), they get all wound up. I personally just like the setting of Sengoku so far. I wasn't bored when reading it so hoped it could do well especially with the high placement it was receiving...course now that seems to have been just trolling on the part of the editors >.>

I sort of agree with that. A lot of fans are sort of looking for JUMP to put a new action series that actually does well. Nura's the closest we've gotten in recent years and it's going down a bit. I suppose Medaka could also be counted since it has survived due to becoming an action series...but it doesn;t have an anime just yet so I supoose it can;t really be called a success just yet.

It's why I;m hoping Goldland Company was well recieved. Iwashiro is one of the better battle manga writers I;ve seen, and I think if he doesn't have to worry about pressure from the rankings as much and has more time to flesh out his characters and world, he can write something amazing. Psyren got pretty close in my eyes, but we all know how that ended...:(

Josl

May 11, 2011, 06:31 PM

Asclepius

May 11, 2011, 07:05 PM

About the Bleach ranking discussion.
I was thinking. The downfall in the rankings begun about the same time as Magico got ranked. If we assume that the 2 major vote fractions for Bleach are a) the fan girls and b) the action fans than the low rankings make sense. The absence of fan favourites in Bleach and the new “kind of romance” Manga Magico lead to a shift of the votes from the female fans from Bleach to Magico. The absence of Action in Bleach could also shift the votes from action fans to other action series from what I think Toriko profits the most.

Well, i gotta tell you... The new "vilain" in Bleach is REALLY cute. :amuse
He is part of my remaining interest so far on the manga.

But who knows? Maybe creating a bishounen wasn't enough to keep the fangirls. ^_^

Asarii

May 11, 2011, 11:58 PM

Not a bad TOC this week. I'm happy and quite surprised to see Reborn recovering since it jumped up rather drastically. I wonder which chapter of Toriko was ranked since it's ahead of Naruto.

Oh man, Bleach. :blink It's actually at a respectable position, but it's really low for the series itself. Sengoku ARMOR's ranking interests me.

Nurarihyon is the blemish to this not-so-bad week and hopefully it'll improve the same way KHR has. :( The only silver lining I find is that Hokenshitsu has been in the bottom for several months and is still hanging on- if anything it'll be cut first since it's not as big as Mago.

Kaiten

May 12, 2011, 01:50 AM

Mago has taken over the role of popular action manga that polls terribly, a role previously held by DGM. DGM was in WSJ for five years and rarely rose to the top half of the TOC. Funny as this sounds, Death Note never ranked in the top five either. It never polled as low as DGM or Mago, but it was always stuck in the middle.

About the Bleach ranking discussion.
I was thinking. The downfall in the rankings begun about the same time as Magico got ranked. If we assume that the 2 major vote fractions for Bleach are a) the fan girls and b) the action fans than the low rankings make sense. The absence of fan favourites in Bleach and the new “kind of romance” Manga Magico lead to a shift of the votes from the female fans from Bleach to Magico. The absence of Action in Bleach could also shift the votes from action fans to other action series from what I think Toriko profits the most.

Bleach is not giving it's fans what they want right now. Bleach fans want fights, actions, and special moves. Since Aizen was defeated all they've had was a training arc. The first minor fight since the Arrancar arc ended was last week. That's why it has gradually lost ground in the polls. Mark my word, next time someone says "bankai", back to the top five.

Asarii

May 12, 2011, 02:03 AM

Kaiten

May 12, 2011, 02:16 AM

It's like Finestela said: the TOC is weighted towards boys in their early teens. I presume a lot of Death Note were older than average, I think the same applied to DGM. With Death Note, I would not be surprised if a lot of fans bought the tankoboun but did not buy Jump.

Finestela

May 12, 2011, 05:31 AM

2011-24 Info:
Lead CP: Toriko (3 Year Anni)
CP: Ikkyuu, Medaka (2 Year Anni + Popularity Contest), Inumaru

Divinenega

May 12, 2011, 07:03 AM

Hurray for Medaka Box CP!(guess JUMP actually stayed on track with an anniversary this time). Doesn;t look like there'll be an anime announcement though...oh well.

Finestela

May 12, 2011, 07:33 AM

Hurray for Medaka Box CP!(guess JUMP actually stayed on track with an anniversary this time). Doesn;t look like there'll be an anime announcement though...oh well.

Don't be so greedy :p

Oh, and I almost forgot... Inumaru's CP is for it getting another round of vomic.

Rejuvenation

May 12, 2011, 09:53 AM

Great that we are actually getting Medaka's two-year anniversary on time this year! I'm curious to see how this popularity contest turns out.

3 years for Toriko as well is great as well. Time just keeps flying by.

Jaiden82

May 12, 2011, 12:29 PM

Can someone clear up something for if they can. Do you count CP's in the ranking yes or no?

Edit: Never mind.

Finestela

May 12, 2011, 01:41 PM

The CP's are positioned such that they aren't crammed all in the front of the magazine. They have to be spread out to a certain extend, with the "last" CP usually around 10~14 spot in the TOC.

It is not reflective of its actual position in the ranking, and, therefore, usually not considered when you're trying to figure out rankings.

Sayaendo

May 12, 2011, 01:45 PM

About the Bleach ranking discussion.
I was thinking. The downfall in the rankings begun about the same time as Magico got ranked. If we assume that the 2 major vote fractions for Bleach are a) the fan girls and b) the action fans than the low rankings make sense. The absence of fan favourites in Bleach and the new “kind of romance” Manga Magico lead to a shift of the votes from the female fans from Bleach to Magico. The absence of Action in Bleach could also shift the votes from action fans to other action series from what I think Toriko profits the most.
Magico ain't no romance. Or rather, it skipped the romance part straight to the end and started from there. Hell, they've even got a daughter now! And a pet!

If anything, I think Magico is the manga most immune to romance (outside of something like One Piece).

I can definitely see girls liking it though.

spoiler tags added.

Edit: I'm extremely sorry if I spoiled anyone. Just wasn't thinking.

Kaiten

May 12, 2011, 02:09 PM

Please remember: when it is necessary to discuss plot specifics, add spoiler tags. We can't know what series others read and would not want to ruin anything, especially with newer, less well known series. Thanks!

Asgaroth

May 13, 2011, 11:19 AM

hey guys how about that? we guess before the toc how the placement will be. it think that could be fun =) we could even rank who guessed it the best.

Westlo

May 13, 2011, 06:07 PM

I'm curious to see how this popularity contest turns out.

Can't wait for Kumagawa to outshine Zen like the Sun does to a candle.

k-dom

May 14, 2011, 12:58 AM

hey guys how about that? we guess before the toc how the placement will be. it think that could be fun =) we could even rank who guessed it the best.

You can try to revive this already existing thread
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68559

SoulEaterFreak

May 14, 2011, 09:05 AM

Chapter 2-4 of Sengoku ARMORS have been scanlated and are now available to download here: Clockwork Lies (http://s4.zetaboards.com/Clockwork_Lies/topic/8656824/1/)

Hangedman

May 14, 2011, 10:36 AM

Image of Hanasaka Ikkyu Here (http://thenamelessteam.forumcommunity.net/?t=45606779#lastpost)

Asgaroth

May 14, 2011, 12:08 PM

Image of Hanasaka Ikkyu Here (http://thenamelessteam.forumcommunity.net/?t=45606779#lastpost)

this is gorgerous, can't wait to read it! hopefully the mangaka does more "mind-tricks" and riddles than japanese puns, because i don't understand them nor find them funny at all.

SoulEaterFreak

May 14, 2011, 12:23 PM

this is gorgerous, can't wait to read it! hopefully the mangaka does more "mind-tricks" and riddles than japanese puns, because i don't understand them nor find them funny at all.

Yeah, I think there will be some nice riddles even after a few more chapters because it's not just one mangaka, there're two, so the one who writes the story has more time to think and the one drawing can bring out his full potential drawing, just like Bakuman. or Medaka Box.
I think japanese puns are funny, but it's veeeery difficult to translate puns and have them keep their "fun-level" xD Especially Japanese ones.

Asgaroth

May 14, 2011, 01:02 PM

...

there are 2 of them? didn't know that, also how someone who can only write to become a "mangaka". does he send a story to the publisher so they help him to find a mangaka who isn't good at writing a story?

about the art-style: i dont think its similiar to naruto, more to soul eater in my opinion. i like this clean style as in bleach/soul eater. is so great and easy to understand. in onepiece there are many details but it's so full and distracting.

Galactic Tomahawk

May 14, 2011, 02:06 PM

Very nice art.

I'm wondering if the sword is just a temporary thing for this chapter or if they're gonna add a fighting element to the story. I could see it being a welcome change for once, since the oneshot didn't really have much to sustain itself as a series.

Finestela

May 14, 2011, 07:39 PM

Bomber D Rufi

May 14, 2011, 07:46 PM

There are chatters about how Togashi might be coming back in August. A guy went to one of those casual gathering for newbie artists to meet with the big names and/or their assistants. He blogged about how he met one of Togashi's assistant, and later commented on how "it seems that an August serialization is coming" in reply to someone commenting about Togashi.

Here's a cache copy of the blog post:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QWR4KGC1

The original link is here, but it seems to have been taken down:
http://ameblo.jp/robinson0821/entry-10889982475.html

Wait, Togashi has assistants now?! I always thought part of the reason he was always on hiatus was because he did the whole lone wolf thing...

But if it's true, this is awesome news. I just finished a complete re-read of HXH and was longing for some more.

Congrats on post 1000 BTW, Finestela. :)

Galactic Tomahawk

May 14, 2011, 09:06 PM

I wanna wait and see how this pans out after last time

But cool if it's true.

Finestela

May 14, 2011, 09:46 PM

Like I said, it's just chatters. We won't hear anything official until maybe mid-July, should this is true, anyway.

Kaiten

May 14, 2011, 10:02 PM

If he really does, that will be great news!

The new series looks really good. Love the art, definitely not the usual Jump by numbers. I've given up on Sengoku. Good or bad it looks like it will be canceled, no point in reading. One of these days I'll give Magico a try, while it's still short.

SoulEaterFreak

May 15, 2011, 04:57 AM

there are 2 of them? didn't know that, also how someone who can only write to become a "mangaka". does he send a story to the publisher so they help him to find a mangaka who isn't good at writing a story?

about the art-style: i dont think its similiar to naruto, more to soul eater in my opinion. i like this clean style as in bleach/soul eater. is so great and easy to understand. in onepiece there are many details but it's so full and distracting.

Yeah, it's a team and I don't know if there's another word for one who "only" writes the story for a manga, but normally he draws the storyboards and without him there would be no story for the manga so it wouldn't be that wrong calling him a mangaka. But well, it's just like in Bakuman if you haven't read it yet ^^

And interesting that the art-style looks more like soul eater to you. For me I have to say that I haven't seen a manga with the same style as SE. But you're right that it's great and easy to understand^^ maybe we should agree that Ikkyu has it's own nice style :D

----
About the chatters of Togashi's comeback: if it's true, great! because I startet HxH last week xD but if it's not true I'd really like to know why he can't continue. Although I could understand if it's a lot of stress for him since he came up with a lot of great ideas and a nice story in a weekly base and that's really awesome.

Asgaroth

May 15, 2011, 07:45 AM

And interesting that the art-style looks more like soul eater to you. For me I have to say that I haven't seen a manga with the same style as SE. But you're right that it's great and easy to understand^^ maybe we should agree that Ikkyu has it's own nice style :D

its not about the character style or architecture in the background. more about the overuse of white instead of black shading every detail. the pictures are clean and neat.

Finestela

May 15, 2011, 08:09 AM

It's actually really common in the manga scene, to have two people on a series, one on the plot and one for the drawing.

As for how a "writer" becomes a mangaka, Shueisha (or, specifically, WSJ department) does hold a competition called "StoKing" (short for Story King), that specifically aims at getting good writers for manga plot.

SoulEaterFreak

May 17, 2011, 07:47 AM

Hxh #28 will be out july 4.

And this is based on what? At least give us more reliable/detailed information :oh

Negative Syndicate

May 17, 2011, 08:02 AM

It looks like Rokudenashi Blues going to have live-adaptation drama.

SoulEaterFreak

May 17, 2011, 08:06 AM

Hm, but that's strange, I've been on the Weekly Shonen Jump page (http://www.shonenjump.com/j/comics/next.html) and there's nothing about HxH for July... Finestela also posted the volumes which will be published in June and July here and there was nothing about HxH.

I trust the information on the WSJ page more, but it could be that volume #28 will still be published this year, I hope it will.

Jaiden82

May 17, 2011, 08:22 AM

I do hope HxH does start up again finally. Something needs to kick Toriko off it's high horse.

Drmke

May 17, 2011, 09:53 AM

If Hunter x Hunter starts up I'll be stoked annnnnd Roku live-action sounds boss :tem

Rejuvenation

May 17, 2011, 10:01 AM

I do hope HxH does start up again finally. Something needs to kick Toriko off it's high horse.

Hunter x Hunter doesn't exactly get high rankings(for obvious reasons) so its not like its going to be placed up there with Naruto and One Piece every week. Plus its not like he is going to stay for the rest of the year anyway.

SoulEaterFreak

May 17, 2011, 10:46 AM

Alright...with this...all doubts, even mine, are gone.
From Sasaki Hisashi's Twitter:

Meeting with TOGASHI-sensei(#Hunter×Hunter #YuYuHakusho, and more). It is always fun and stimulatining to talk with Togashi-sensei.

Kaiten

May 17, 2011, 11:19 AM

New chapters are usually timed around new volumes, I'm not going to guarantee it but I would be more surprised if it didn't come back.

Googlez_kun

May 17, 2011, 11:25 AM

I hope Togashi decides to finally finish this once and for all and not make a long break again.
I'm kinda motivated to continue reading HxH now.

I do hope HxH does start up again finally. Something needs to kick Toriko off it's high horse.

Says the Bleach fan:p

Kaiten

May 17, 2011, 11:45 AM

If he does come back, that means new chapters of Hunter x Hunter and Berserk will be coming out at the same time. It's like a manga double rainbow :p

I hope Togashi decides to finally finish this once and for all and not make a long break again.
I'm kinda motivated to continue reading HxH now.

Don't hold your breath. Togashi's got a sweet deal, and one that's not to unusual for the manga industry. It's not unusual for veteran, popular mangaka to be allowed irregular serialization. Besides the obvious ones, Oyasumi Punpun comes to mind. Inio is more productive than Togashi (I think) but he only releases one or two volumes worth of new material a year, in a weekly magazine. Yamamoto rarely wrote more than a volume or two a year of Homunculus too.

Drmke

May 17, 2011, 11:55 AM

If he does come back, that means new chapters of Hunter x Hunter and Berserk will be coming out at the same time. It's like a manga double rainbow :p

:zomg What does it mean?!

I do hope HxH does start up again finally. Something needs to kick Toriko off it's high horse.

Most of the kids who read and vote for Toriko have probably never even read Hunter x Hunter. Not to mention it always ranks low since it's so rarely in the magazine. And why would you want it knocked down? I think it's fantastic to see a young series doing so well. The last five years have kind of been devoid of young series doing well against older ones.

Mr. Prince

May 17, 2011, 12:21 PM

And here I was thinking RokuBlue already had its Dorama back in the 90's but turns out there had only been two movies. (I'm a bad Morita fanboy...) Long story short: fantastic! I'm really looking forward to this.
Morita deserves it and it's not too surprising seeing how ridiculously popular the ROOKIES live action franchise has been. Personally I would have preferred to see Beshari made into a live action series but that's just me pettifogging. :tem

Thanks for the great news!

-----

As for HxH: n1! Seems like the 20 chaps last time around really sucked up all of Togashi's energy... :D It sure took him long enough to come back.

k-dom

May 17, 2011, 01:41 PM

As long as we see the end of this Ant arc I guess I will be satisfied

Jaymie

May 17, 2011, 01:46 PM

Quite possibly some new Hunter x Hunter chapters? I guess he needs to pass the time before Dragon Quest X comes out...

Jaiden82

May 17, 2011, 02:55 PM

Says the Bleach fan:p

Yup says the Bleach fan, proud of it too.

Most of the kids who read and vote for Toriko have probably never even read Hunter x Hunter. Not to mention it always ranks low since it's so rarely in the magazine. And why would you want it knocked down? I think it's fantastic to see a young series doing so well. The last five years have kind of been devoid of young series doing well against older ones.

Don't get me wrong I think its great to see a young series have success too but anyone but that one. Sorry but its just my dislike for it coming out. I am looking forward to see if Magico will have the same success. So far so good I think.

Kaiten

May 17, 2011, 03:23 PM

Toriko doesn't really qualify as new anymore. Jump series are judged in dog years; three years in Jump is the equivalent of ten in Magazine or Sunday. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Toriko is nowhere near a mega hit, it's not challenging One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Hunter x Hunter, or even Bakuman in sales. Maybe the anime will change that. Toriko may rank much higher, but it's closer to Mago in sales. Not sure where it ranks in the amount of merchandising. Toys, novelties, figurines, etc are the other major barometer of popularity.

Hunter x Hunter is never ranked. It's most likely placed. Remember, it takes eight issues for final poll results to be tallied. HxH is rarely in the magazine longer than ten issues. Last year was the first time I can remember that he did twenty in a row, in 2007-2009 he did ten chapters every fall, then 10 the following spring. Under those circumstances, there would be two chapters to rank, then hiatus. Besides, why give a mangaka such a sweet deal, then subject him to fan polls? The only point would be novelty purposes.

Finestela

May 17, 2011, 03:36 PM

While I dislike Toriko's author, I'm not really a Toriko hater (as some might believe). That being said, I'm not sure if it's ineffective or just slow, but Toriko's post-anime manga sales aren't so much different from pre-anime numbers.

On the other hand, AoEx of SQ, while having really bad ratings for its anime (time slot issue maybe? who knows...), have explosive growth to its sales figure. It now actually sells more than Toriko, despite being a younger and less exposed series.

We're getting another new Toriko Volume in June, and the result should tell us more.

Asarii

May 17, 2011, 04:43 PM

There's legit confirmation to back up HxH's return this time. I'll repeat what I said months ago: I'm happy for the fans to finally get a chance to read the series again. Hopefully Togashi-sensei will put in his all for those patient fans.

Divinenega

May 17, 2011, 04:46 PM

kewl0210

May 17, 2011, 04:55 PM

Yeah, for not being in a major slot, it sounds like Ao no Exorcist is doing ok. I don't know a ton about Japanese ratings though. But that's pretty good, just not high enough to be in the top 10 or so, which still doesn't mean it's doing bad.
But of course, it's not going to run long-term because it's based on a monthly manga. The manga itself only has like 27 chapters, right? It'll probably go a Tegami Bachi route.

And like I said, with Toriko, it's not gonna get super-popular all of a sudden. The biggest manga in Jump all took a long time to get as popular as they have. Even Bakuman has had a season of anime. Toriko's doing as well as Mago even though that's already had a season of anime. In sales, Toriko's done extremely well for a series that hasn't had anything outside the manga than anything else in quite a while. Especially for an author that hasn't published anything for over 6 years, as opposed to Bakuman which came out relatively not that long from the end of Death Note, which also had an anime, and those couple other series Obata did (Essentially, it started off strong because of its popular authors, then just went up). Records don't go back that far on Oricon's site, but most series that have like 300K-500K+ in sales had long running animes before they got that popular.

Some series get really popular all of a sudden and some do so gradually. It depends on what they're about and how they're advertised. Toriko comes off to be as the kind of series that gradually develops a larger fanbase, which seems to be the way Shuueisha is pushing it to be.

And I really hope that announcement of HXH coming back does come soon. That'd be exciting. It's been about a year since the last one ended, now. But like a lot of people said, it's the kind of thing that sells really well as tankoubons but doesn't score well in the TOC because of how infrequently it shows up. It's more suited to long-term readers. It usually sells like 800K-1 million each volume I think.

Asarii

May 17, 2011, 05:07 PM

Toriko has been doing very well within WSJ in terms of ranking, but its reception elsewhere (ie. 2ch) is pretty brutal- mostly because of the controversy surrounding Shimabukuro-sensei a few years ago. A large portion of Toriko's fanbase seem to be children going by the fact that they're more likely to send postcards and have their votes weighed more as mentioned a few pages back. (I have a feeling that the series with the spin-offs in Saikyo JUMP have a predominantly young readership.) Children are absorbed by the manga itself and don't care much about who made it.

However the older audience who only buys the tankobon of a manga might be feeling judgmental because of the mangaka. I'm not sure how big the scandal was when it broke out, but it could be a factor why the tankobon sales aren't indicative of the popularity it has right now. /two cents

meeedoooz

May 17, 2011, 05:25 PM

Some series get really popular all of a sudden and some do so gradually. It depends on what they're about and how they're advertised. Toriko comes off to be as the kind of series that gradually develops a larger fanbase, which seems to be the way Shuueisha is pushing it to be.

with all the pimping and relating it to one piece and so, how could you say that they are pushing it to develop popularity gradually ? they did every thing they could to make it a mega hit quickly even if it's by using one piece's popularity... i do hate the mangaka and that's why i will never read it and i hope bakuman , gintama, HxH and of course bleach get better ranking than it every week :D

kewl0210

May 17, 2011, 05:51 PM

Because Toriko didn't get an anime for quite a while, not until chapter like 130. Most other shows get them earlier. One Piece I think was around chapter 100. That's the kinda thing I mean by "gradual". But now they're promoting it a lot. Same with I think Gintama.
The other thing, is you need to realize that most of the most popular series have had movies and games and long running animes. And that's what made their popularity so high. For having an anime only a few episodes long and half a movie, Toriko's doing really well right now and has a big potential for growth. Plus it's a great series.

And that's really shallow to not like a series because you don't like something the author did. It's not like he was praying on children or something. He solicited a prostitute that ended up being underage, once, which happened like 9 years ago. It's not exactly something to be proud of, but it doesn't make him a bad person, IMO. And it doesn't have to do with the manga directly. But I don't wanna get into a moral debate on here.

perroloco

May 17, 2011, 06:07 PM

kewl0210 wrote:
And that's really shallow to not like a series because you don't like something the author did. It's not like he was praying on children or something. He solicited a prostitute that ended up being underage, once, which happened like 9 years ago. It's not exactly something to be proud of, but it doesn't make him a bad person, IMO. But I don't wanna get into a moral debate on here.

First of all we aren't angels, I list I know I am not, so I couldn't really judge him.

Second, I personally don't know if Shumabukuro did or didn't do X or Y, I have heard of false accusations before in my country (Mexico) and Japan (Heck, I even read in sankakucomplex that some times japanese girls accuse people of chikan falsely so they pay them)

Third, the article I have read don't really mention it like that, this one (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2002-08-07/mitsutoshi-shimabukuro-arrested) IMO the article made it sound like he knew the girl was 16, I also recall reading the news in an anime/manga magazine from back in 2002/2003 and the magazine made it look like the guy knew..
Now call me a pedophile if you will (Which I am not) but I find these kind of laws very stupid.. and with lots of legal loops, but I know these rules are to regulate child prostitution which SURPRISE is not regulated!! But yeah don't wanna cause a moral debate, is just that Japan has lots of prostitution, its common from what I have read..

Saying all that, I am not japanese so I don't know how they would react to all this, and I am pretty sure he must be losing at least some potential fans from this act. Personally I think he was brave not to change its pen-name (Even if fans would make conspiracy theories of him being Shimabukuro because his style is very.. identifiable)

Finestela

May 17, 2011, 08:41 PM

Bad ratings, really? I heard it got a 4.0% for it;s premiere, which is pretty damn impressive

And everything after that are unavailable, meaning it didn't even break 1.2%, the lowest rating show with available data.

97gsxminus1bolt

May 17, 2011, 10:59 PM

And that's really shallow to not like a series because you don't like something the author did. It's not like he was praying on children or something. He solicited a prostitute that ended up being underage, once, which happened like 9 years ago. It's not exactly something to be proud of, but it doesn't make him a bad person, IMO. And it doesn't have to do with the manga directly. But I don't wanna get into a moral debate on here.

Ended up being under age? LOL I bet it was his first time too!! 80,000 yen???? No way he didnt know.

Somethings are acceptable this is just one of those times when its not. The guy shouldn't be writing in jump PERIOD. Personally I think its strange the media hasn't made it a huge thing in japan.

Also isn't toriko the lead-in for one piece? It should be pulling in huge numbers.

Galactic Tomahawk

May 18, 2011, 12:26 AM

While I'm never going to have a particularly high opinion of him (to say the least), I'm willing to separate it from his work since it happened years ago, he's served his sentence and nothing's happened since then.

But I can't blame anyone for not wanting to support him, everybody's going to judge as they see fit.

SoulEaterFreak

May 18, 2011, 12:58 AM

Could that be the reason there are...no "hot" girls in Toriko? I mean...compared to One Piece, Bleach etc? Personally I think it's a great achievement for a manga to become so popular with only the Story+Art and without fan-service. (my opinion) .

I think the same as 97gsxminus1bolt:
80,000 yen???? No way he didnt know.

The thing I hate most are people who do such things and, maybe, if I've had known that before I started to read Toriko I wouldn't have read it, but for me it is a really good manga - independent of the mangakas wrongdoing.

Rejuvenation

May 18, 2011, 01:47 AM

I prefer to keep what he did in the past and his current and future endeavors manga-wise separate. He already faced the consequences of his actions and served his time. I'm not interested in penalizing a person even more if the crime they committed has already been dealt with.

If he can move forward without causing anymore trouble then thats alright in my book. Toriko is a fun series and I rarely ever think of his past when I read or discuss it.

Samui

May 18, 2011, 01:49 AM

Bleach is 7th from the bottom this week, lol

Zeromcd

May 18, 2011, 01:50 AM

753 ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E sage 2011/05/18(水) 15:42:52.11 ID:+mnlNnRhP

表紙　巻頭　トリコ
ワンピ
銀魂
ナルト
スケット
一休　Ｃ
バクマン
べるぜ
めだか　Ｃ
マジコ
黒子
いぬまる
リボン
エニグマ
ブリーチ
こちかめ
ぬらり
戦国
メルヘン
保健室
ドイソル

25号　バクマン巻頭
Issue 24
Toriko (Cover, Lead CP)
One Piece
Gintama
Naruto
SKET DANCE
Ikkyuu (CP, 25Pages)
Bakuman
Beelzebub
Medaka Box (CP, 23Pages)
magico
Kuroko no Basket
Inumaru Dashi (CP, 17Pages)
Reborn
Enigma
Bleach
Kochi Kame
Nurarihyon no Mago
Sengoku ARMORS
Meruhen Ouji Grimm
Hokenshitsu no Shinigami
DOIS SOL

Issue 25 Cover: One Piece/Lead CP: Bakuman
CP: Reborn, Enigma

Maxy Barnard

May 18, 2011, 02:02 AM

man, we have a dense list of ranked series this week. Good to see Magico holding on at #7, and... well... you can totally see which series about football will die horrifically in the short future, at least.

Kaiten

May 18, 2011, 02:03 AM

Wow. That's brutal. I never thought I'd see Bleach in the bottom half two weeks in a row. Kubo: Plot, NOW.

SoulEaterFreak

May 18, 2011, 02:29 AM

Inumarudashi has a CP and 17 pages this week.

Wow. That's brutal. I never thought I'd see Bleach in the bottom half two weeks in a row. Kubo: Plot, NOW.

I bet you'll see it even three weeks in a row in the bottom half.

Rejuvenation

May 18, 2011, 02:39 AM

Looking forward to Medaka and Toriko color this week. ^__^

No surprise One Piece takes the #1 spot. Sket and Bakuman in the top 5 with it really makes me happy though. Good on them.

So it seems all the new series are struggling except Magico. Well, if at least one makes it I guess thats alright.

Bleach where it rightfully belongs though it should be lower. Kubo has been putting minimal effort in this train wreck manga for too long.

man, we have a dense list of ranked series this week. Good to see Magico holding on at #7, and... well... you can totally see which series about football will die horrifically in the short future, at least.

They never seem to learn. But those football manga serve their purpose as fodder so I welcome them. Jump editors can keep churning them out all they want.

SoulEaterFreak

May 18, 2011, 03:26 AM

Cover of Issue #24 posted on Sasaki's twitter

http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/685/jack24.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/852/jack24.jpg/)

celebrating 3 years of awesome food and amazing fights.

Asgaroth

May 18, 2011, 03:28 AM

is this medakas real rank? because of the colour it will be unranked in the 8th chapter from now, or not? if so it would be a great "comeback" for a bottom dweller.

bakuman is great as well. bleach is okay and will rank higher when the next fight starts.

Nayrael

May 18, 2011, 03:28 AM

Pure Rankings:

1. One Piece
2. Gintama
3. Naruto
4. SKET DANCE
5. Bakuman
6. Beelzebub
7. magico
8. Kuroko no Basket
9. Inumaru Dashi
10. Reborn
11. Enigma
12. Bleach
13. Nurarihyon no Mago
14. Sengoku ARMORS
15. Meruhen Ouji Grimm
16. Hokenshitsu no Shinigami
17. DOIS SOL

is this medakas real rank? because of the colour it will be unranked in the 8th chapter from now, or not? if so it would be a great "comeback" for a bottom dweller.

No, series with CP's are unranked in the issue in which they have a CP.
In other words, Medaka Box is NOT ranked this week.

Koen

May 18, 2011, 04:37 AM

Is bleach lucky that the new series such as dois sol, meruhen and sengoku armors are failing? Imagine that one or two would have gotten a satisfying ToC position then Bleach would have ended up in the bottom five :D

Anyway, cool ToC the three last series are one I don't care about

Googlez_kun

May 18, 2011, 06:08 AM

Somehow i find the Toriko cover to be really disturbing:/

Anyhow,it seems Naruto is struggling lately,probably because of the war.Maybe Kishi will decide to give it a little more effort after seeing that the second spot isn't granted anymore.

May 18, 2011, 06:17 AM

Meh, wtf is Bleach doing down there, it's certainly been bland as of late (not counting the last 3 or so weeks), but it doesn't deserve such a spot. It's like the fanbase is sending a message "we want something else" instead of being good judges.

Hooray for Gintama. (PS: Bored with #1 being there always. Like that manga's chapters are always best. Again this is proof of votes being rather useless).

Somehow i find the Toriko cover to be really disturbing:/

Anyhow,it seems Naruto is struggling lately,probably because of the war.Maybe Kishi will decide to give it a little more effort after seeing that the second spot isn't granted anymore.

Going by the latest chapters, it seems like it will most likely get #2 and possibly #1 in some cases too in a couple of weeks.

Bomber D Rufi

May 18, 2011, 06:57 AM

Well damn Gintama. Although I'm fairly sure that it's rank is indicative of the anime returning.....nothing particularily exciting has happened in the last eight weeks to suggest that it recieved that rank from something that occured in the manga. Still, Gintama rules, even if it is only in Japan sadly.

R4n

May 18, 2011, 07:05 AM

I won't mind seeing OP take the number 1, i actually enjoy OP chapters much more than the rest of the current wsj series combined (except Enigma). Before anybody accuse me of being an OPtard... i am not. I am just a casual reader who really do enjoy One Piece.

I am unhappy seeing Enigma near the bottom, but then competition in WSJ is ridiculously fierce. At least it is above Bleach. Well deserved indeed. :p

Jaiden82

May 18, 2011, 07:44 AM

12th Bleach seriously man wtf!!! Damn voters ARGHHHH!!:arro Moving on I don't even want to talk about it anymore, moving on. My other favs are doing well Naruto and Bakuman are in the top 5. Reborn in 10th but am cool with that. Mago still wish you were higher.

Meh, wtf is Bleach doing down there, it's certainly been bland as of late (not counting the last 3 or so weeks), but it doesn't deserve such a spot. It's like the fanbase is sending a message "we want something else" instead of being good judges.

Agreed.

Finestela

May 18, 2011, 07:48 AM

Divinenega

May 18, 2011, 07:48 AM

Bit sad to see Enigma so low, but both it and Reborn are above Bleach in addition to getting color pages next week it;s all good.

But damn, I;m surprised at the amount of buffer we have this time around. Guess I don;t have to worry about Medaka getting cancelled anytime soon...although it looks like Shinigami is going to barely dodge the axe again.

StrangerAtaru

May 18, 2011, 07:52 AM

I have noticed that with Bleach slipping, Kubo is actually starting to wake up...which is probably good for it's fans but not as much for it's detractors. Heck, it literally is "this close" to finally reaching bottom five!

And as for the TOC...yeah, I doubt it has anything to do with Naruto and more to do with Gintama just being notable and getting an anime boost for the time being. And congrats for both Toriko and Medaka's color pages.

NANAhashi

May 18, 2011, 08:17 AM

Sorry for butt in, but Naruto indeed deserves lower rank in this issue. Those previous 8-4 chapters were seriously boring. Those war fillers and side characs drama are not enjoyable at all.

But I hope it will rank as #2 or even #1 after that. Recent chapters are quite nice.

Also, time to say goodbye to dolsol and maybe along with grim&Senkoku armor.

SoulEaterFreak

May 18, 2011, 08:17 AM

12th Bleach seriously man wtf!!! Damn voters ARGHHHH!!

I don't know if I'm the only one who's read that Inumarudashi has a CP this week, so BLEACH is 11th, like last week. Sad but true.

Josl

May 18, 2011, 08:30 AM

Bleach: 3.8%---2.3%---1.7%---2.2%---1.6%---2.1%

Just because I'm a little curious, how low were the Ratings for KHR before it got off the air.
I'm pretty sure Bleach will not go off the air until the Manga is finished because the DVD do sell well and that's the only thing that matters for the Studios. KHR will also probably get the Anime back once there is more Material.
And one more thought. Could it be that KHR is going to end? I always thought KHR is one of the immortal series which means there Ranking doesn't matter at all but the recent pace of the chapters do make me think.

Divinenega

May 18, 2011, 08:31 AM

Just because I'm a little curious, how low were the Ratings for KHR before it got off the air.
I'm pretty sure Bleach will not go off the air until the Manga is finished because the DVD do sell well and that's the only thing that matters for the Studios. KHR will also probably get the Anime back once there is more Material.
And one more thought. Could it be that KHR is going to end? I always thought KHR is one of the immortal series which means there Ranking doesn't matter at all but the recent pace of the chapters do make me think.

I doubt it. There are still too many loose ends for KHR to be ending anytime soon. The Ceremony arc is about done though.

tarouch

May 18, 2011, 08:44 AM

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4857/graph1hw.jpg

[Cross]

May 18, 2011, 08:47 AM

I doubt it. There are still too many loose ends for KHR to be ending anytime soon. The Ceremony arc is about done though.

I count about 2 loose ends, after Naruto (assuming it ends by the end of next year), I think KHR will follow suit.

R4n

May 18, 2011, 09:01 AM

May 18, 2011, 09:27 AM

^ don't forget that more 'loose ends' can still be created. It's really hard to predict whether a series can end or not. The author or the publisher can choose to continue if they want to. Dragonball for example, the storyline can actually ended cleanly after Piccolo, Freeza, or Cell saga but Toriyama-sensei continued it anyway. (I am actually happy about it) :P

Toriyama wanted to stop twice. First after Frieza and then after Cell and make Gohan the "new hero", passing down the torch so to speak from Goku to Gohan and thus ending Goku and Dragonball's story. Both times his editors forced him to continue as he was bringing in the big cash and had massive popularity. It's called milking the cow. By marketing defintion Dragonball was somewhere between a Star/Cash cow.

In Kishi's case it would make little sense for him to be forced into a "part 3". His main characters have basically become godlike, bringing in even stronger villains out of the blue would not only be highly weird in a "logical" world like Naruto, but also completely break the power levels DBZ style. In Dragonball it was more believeable as the whole universe was included, so Toriyama could easily write in new villains without it being unbelieveable. But in Naruto it would just suck. In a world where information is key to survival it would be weird for a new super-uber villain to suddenly pop out of the blue.... Unless someone pulled a Kabuto but not only absorbs Orochimaru, but Madara, Hashirama, Sasuke and Naruto's DNA as well to become the super android beast of destruction and 9000 power.

So yeah, I think Naruto will end without continuing into a part 3. Hopefully. However that's still long ways off. End of next year at the earliest.

On another note, hopefully Bleach will pick up the rankings in a couple of weeks. If not then I swear the voters have gone mad. Rate it low, but don't bottom it for no reason.

Koen

May 18, 2011, 09:36 AM

Googlez_kun

May 18, 2011, 09:39 AM

Am I the only who understands Bleach's lower ratings? This arc started very promising with some great mysteries and everything coming along with it BUT bleach is digressing into boredom imo. I know that this statement won't give me sympathy but you have to be honest, the antagonists and protagonists are really on the square and bland. I kinda understand the ratings and imo, as the manga is continuing, I can only see bleach getting back in the middle part. Not higher

You're not the only one.
Furthermore,i think that the JUMP readers realized that several other titles are simply better currently or simply gave them a chance after being dissapointed by the recent developments in Bleach.

May 18, 2011, 09:42 AM

To be honest, I found much of the Arrancar Arc far more bland than this. It was full of side characters that I consider boring fighting, fighting, and then fighting a couple of more weeks, week after week.

Personally I only had an issue with this arc around the fat doll period. After that it got a lot better although not that good really. A spot around 5-7 would be justified, but 12th etc is just way overkill. I think the fans are just waiting for some real plot and are fed up with his "boring powers".
I expect the rankings to pick up a little in a couple of weeks. In chapter 444 Ichigo gets some real powers back, and after that the chapters were fairly interesting.

[Cross]

May 18, 2011, 10:06 AM

Negative Syndicate

May 18, 2011, 10:45 AM

http://blog-imgs-47.fc2.com/y/a/r/yaraon/viploader1215760.jpg

It looks like volume 29 of Hunter x Hunter also going to release on August.

Bomber D Rufi

May 18, 2011, 10:56 AM

Someone was asking about these.

Anime Ratings, the latest numbers:
Ao Ex:4.1%---3.4%---(Below 4.7%)---(Below 4.2%)
(The number for 3 and 4 won't be available until the magazine publishing the complete data is out, due to the fact that it's too low in the time slot to be ranked in the telephone data inquiry. The "below xx%" number is simply the lowest ranked rating at the same time slot.)
Beelze:1.7%---2.0%---3.0%---2.5%---3.1%---2.6%---3.1%
Bleach: 3.8%---2.3%---1.7%---2.2%---1.6%---2.1%

Finestela, how are Gintama's ratings? I know they've historically been just average, and the DVD sales have more than made up for the ratings, but I'm curious. And Beelze isn't doing so hot, not that it's surprising. *Shakes fist at Pierrot* Nasty animation and poor pacing can make even a great manga like Beelze seem like a shoddy afterthought.
[hr]

http://blog-imgs-47.fc2.com/y/a/r/yaraon/viploader1215760.jpg

It looks like volume 29 of Hunter x Hunter also going to release on August.

Wow. I wonder how many chapters we'll get this run? Will Togashi use his video game logic when writing the manga and go for a high score of 30 chapters this run? Or Game over at 20 again? Or less? Let the games begin! (In August.)

SoulEaterFreak

May 18, 2011, 11:27 AM

Wow. I wonder how many chapters we'll get this run? Will Togashi use his video game logic when writing the manga and go for a high score of 30 chapters this run? Or Game over at 20 again? Or less? Let the games begin! (In August.)

Don't know if it's right, but I've seen that Volume 27 only goes up to chapter 290, so there're already 20 chapter available for tankoubons o_o

Asgaroth

May 18, 2011, 11:37 AM

... -> summary: naruto will not get a part 3

i also think so, but nothing is impossible. he could do a break like kubo did with bleach. but there are possible other ways to do it. the kyuubi could be set free or implented in someone other or these enourmus statue with all this monster power in it from 1-7 tail could be completed and isn't to use for the moon plan, but something total different that even madar doesn't know or can control. i can write more like that but i gues you see what i mean. if you want to do more, you can... im not saying it could be good/better but its possible.

Ending:

khr: after the future arc i thought it would end. i mean he goes to the future were stronger characters are as in the "current" time, so the current time would be boring. to be fair, it's quite boring with looser enma and demon spade. i mean the future guys should have won against him, otherwise the future had looked other than it did.

medaka: yeah absolutly within a year.

one pice: with the dead of oda... so probably in 30-40 years? ^^

naruto: next year, if he drags it more out like he currently does.

Finestela

May 18, 2011, 12:56 PM

If 29 is coming out in August, that would make the August restart rumor from the original blog posting more plausible, as oppose to a July restart.

But August isn't the traditional in/out period for series... are they going to be doing 1 shots for the 4 weeks in the mean time?

Jaymie

May 18, 2011, 01:49 PM

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4857/graph1hw.jpg

Now that's justice right there. The fans put up with Kubo's crap during the Arrancar arc because they believed that it was leading up to something awesome (and it arguably did), but this arc is just a pitfall.

meeedoooz

May 18, 2011, 02:23 PM

what do these numbers on the ( x-axis ) mean

Akiyama

May 18, 2011, 02:27 PM

what do these numbers on the ( x-axis ) mean
Issue #

Ikzer

May 18, 2011, 02:28 PM

They are the magazine number, from 2010-23 to 2011-23 i guess.

aymrm

May 18, 2011, 02:30 PM

i guess it's normal for bleach to be that low, most of it beacause of the lost of the original plot, the evil guy, his powers and most of the allies. it's almost like start an arc from zero.

k-dom

May 18, 2011, 03:00 PM

Is Sket Dance usually that high in the TOC ? I remember it more in the middle ranks. That's quite a pleasant surprise to see it in the top 5. And it is seems we can stop worrying for Mago for a few time.

Asgaroth

May 18, 2011, 03:44 PM

Is Sket Dance usually that high in the TOC ? I remember it more in the middle rane. That's quite a pleasant surprise to see it in the top 5.

somehow i don't read gintama. (just till chapter 40). at the beginning i thought it was funny, but then it got lame so i stopped. sket dance is good in an all time view. we got some overall story plots, like the brother thing, some pasts and the love storys between the main charas
i dont know if something like that is in gintama, if so then not in the beginning. is just really short story without a overall main plot/goal or a timeline like in sket dance/ harry potter so you could figure out that it will end naturally. the funniest thing about gintama for me were the qoute's from the mangaka. everey volume he whine about his success and that he must do more chapters, like hirimaru from bakuman ^^

k-dom

May 18, 2011, 03:54 PM

The serious parts of Gintama are more action based and they are pretty good. It's completely surrealistic like everything in Gintama but well done. It's funny because we had a Gintama vs Sket Dance a few days ago in the Gintama thread, I suggest you have a look at it.

perroloco

May 18, 2011, 05:27 PM

I just skipped through pages of the lastest BLEACH.. Boring as hell IMO..
BUT!! a shinigami appeared in the last page (cliffhanger as the only thing we get to see is the shingami's sandals) my guess is Rukia.. or Hitsugaya, Renji, don't know why, I know it would be logical to be Rukia..
Also BLEACH has a JUMBO color poster next week so its like 2+2=4 in this case the mega poster means a popular character reapperance.. and sadly this will make BLEACHtards go @OMG!! RUKIAz!! gotta vote for BLICH!! Epic!! so I don't expect BLEACH to rank so low after Rukia shows up.

Teeba

May 18, 2011, 07:39 PM

I kind of feel pity for Bleach, since I thought the last arc devolved into utter tripe. Even the ending did not really impress me. This arc is weird but I do like it better than the end of the last arc. I guess you can say I wish it would have tanked earlier and then risen back to its normal state. =P

SoulEaterFreak

May 19, 2011, 12:56 AM

The oneshot "Godland Company" by Iwashiro Toshiaki is out here:

http://mudascantradreleases.blogspot.com/

SSJWill4

May 19, 2011, 12:58 AM

Issue 24
Toriko (Cover, Lead CP)
One Piece
Gintama
Naruto
SKET DANCE
Ikkyuu (CP, 25Pages)
Bakuman
Beelzebub
Medaka Box (CP, 23Pages)
magico
Kuroko no Basket
Inumaru Dashi
Reborn
Enigma
Bleach
Kochi Kame
Nurarihyon no Mago
Sengoku ARMORS
Meruhen Ouji Grimm
Hokenshitsu no Shinigami
DOIS SOL

Issue 25 Cover: One Piece/Lead CP: Bakuman
CP: Reborn, Enigma

Per the spoiler (and the cover pic) Inumaru Dashi got color pages in Issue 24. Just thought I'd point that out for those that care. Also...I am very excited for new HxH volumes and serialization beginning again. :D

SoulEaterFreak

May 19, 2011, 01:06 AM

Per the spoiler (and the cover pic) Inumaru Dashi got color pages in Issue 24. Just thought I'd point that out for those that care.

I already wrote that here two times but they ignored it + the chapter has 17 pages (don't know how many it usually has, but since it's a gag manga)

SSJWill4

May 19, 2011, 01:11 AM

I already wrote that here two times but they ignored it + the chapter has 17 pages (don't know how many it usually has, but since it's a gag manga)

Ah sorry, missed your post about it. Inumaru typically has only 9 pages, so that's almost double.

Westlo

May 19, 2011, 05:26 AM

Yeah, for not being in a major slot, it sounds like Ao no Exorcist is doing ok.

Nichigo is a major slot of sorts and Blue Exorcist is definitely doing better than Star Driver, and while Basara 2 started strong it fell really low towards the end. Nichigo isn't the powerhouse slot it was back when it used to be Doroku (which aired on Saturaday) but it is still a very important time slot. You'll probably see the next Code Geass anime take over the timeslot in Fall and than a brand new Gundam TV for Spring 2012.

Quoting Katapan from AS.

Gundam Seed ------------ Average: 6.14%, Highest: 8.0%, Lowest: 4.6%
Fullmetal Alchemist ------- Average: 6.06%, Highest: 8.4%, Lowest: 3.7%
Gundam Seed Destiny ---- Average: 5.39%, Highest: 8.2%, Lowest: 3.9%
Blood+ -------------------Average: 3.18%, Highest: 5.4%, Lowest: 1.8%
Ayakashi Ayashi ----------Average: 3.18%, Highest: 4.2%, Lowest: 2.4%
Terra e... ----------------Average: 2.76%, Highest: 3.7%, Lowest: 2.1%
Gundam 00 -------------- Average: 4.85%, Highest: 6.1%, Lowest: 3.8%
Code Geass R2 -----------Average: 2.67%, Highest: 4.0%, Lowest: 1.4%
Gundam 00 2nd Season -- Average: 4.47%, Highest: 6.3%, Lowest: 3.0%
Fullmetal Alchemist: B. --- Average: 3.48%, Highest: 5.8%, Lowest: 1.6%
Sengoku Basara Two -
Star Driver -

Code Geass R2 was when they switched days/timeslot to the new one. As you can see Blood+, Ayashi and Terra e killed the old slot off.. Seed, FMA, Destiny all rated alright as well as selling like hotcakes.

Azhi

May 19, 2011, 06:20 AM

Divinenega

May 19, 2011, 07:53 AM

Just curious, how do those really long anime like One Piece and Naruto, (which do well in TV ratings) sell in terms of DVD sales...? I know Gintama is a goldmine in its DVD sales (yay xP) but does anyone know its average TV ratings? (I think the Yorozuya mentioned once to not be fooled by the DVD sales as ratings weren't good or something lol xD But just curious about the actual statistics..)

Which is weighed more heavily when creating anime, TV ratings or DVD sales...?
I'm also curious about how Reborn did when its anime was still running and the chances of it returning as well, since its case reminded me of Gintama.

And I'm kind of late in looking at the TOC but yay Gintama at 2 this week... excellent >=D

For most anime it depends on the timeslot. If it;s airing ina more mainstream timeslot where general audiences(typically kids) can tune in then ratings matter more and the show could continue even if DVD slaes aren;t quite up to par. If the show airs in a late night slot though, the series will only thrive through DVD/Blu Ray sales since not wenough people will be watching for ratings to actually matter.

In the case of anime adaptions though, particularly with JUMP series, an anime adaption can survive almost solely on the fact that it's significantly boosted the manga sales and that;s how many JUMP anime are factored. Of course it still generally has to have enough sales and or ratings to at least break even most of the time.

You could almost say it;s what;s helped the Bleach anime survive these days since it now gets abysmal ratings compared to it's earlier days, and sales have gone down for the anime quite a bit.

Finestela

May 19, 2011, 12:38 PM

The oneshot "Godland Company" by Iwashiro Toshiaki is out here:

http://mudascantradreleases.blogspot.com/

Finally, those slowpokes... :p
I gave them the raw like 2 weeks ago! :eyeroll:eyeroll

Galactic Tomahawk

May 19, 2011, 01:37 PM

I felt like he was trying too hard with the humor (which largely fell flat), but I like the idea behind it.

Reminded me a lot of Mieru Hito.

Asarii

May 20, 2011, 02:37 AM

↑ Hmm, I actually like the humor because I felt that element was lacking in Psyren. Godland Company knew its boundary and never tried to exceed it, which IMO makes the one-shot much more enjoyable than those that try to feign "coolness" right of the bat. As I said a couple of pages ago, I hope it will be well-received by the readers.

Regarding TOC: Bleach is like... down there, OMG. :blink I'm still bummed about Mago, but super happy for SKET's ranking. My bias says it should be in the top 5 every week.

I'm curious to see what the big deal is about Magico since it's staying afloat compared to the other 2011 series. :)

Finestela

May 20, 2011, 05:29 AM

Go read the series and see for yourself :p

Jokes aside, I think it's just, well, different, and fresh, compare to everything else. It's a adventure fighting manga with heartfelt moments all around. It's a fantasy manga built on a very different setting/concept/world view compare to everything else. The characters aren't unique, but they are cute and likable.

Oh, and the pacing is crazy... You don't feel any drag at all, and, even at Ch.10, it's still "bang bang bang" with the way the story is going. I mean take any adventure series out there as example, you'd be already entering the first "longer" arc, and the overall development slows down. But not Magico...

Of course, I'm obvious biased since I'm translating the series + fell in love with it at first sight, but still, I would really recommend you try it out and make your own judgement :p

Divinenega

May 20, 2011, 07:04 AM

Just read the Godland Company one-shot. I liked it. It was a pretty fun story, and I did like some of the humor for it, which is a good element to have considering Psyren was pretty serious 90% of the time. It also has a premise that allows for the author to do more with the characters which is another element that Psyren tended to fall short of a bit, considering most of the focus was on the story(which wasn;t a bad thing for the most part), and Godland seems like something that could last a long while if well recieved.

All in all I hope it does well.

Hangedman

May 20, 2011, 11:00 AM

New series Hanasaka Ikkyu 02 full raw online Here (http://thenamelessteam.forumcommunity.net/?t=45718666)

........ no hair? :darn

susanoo13

May 20, 2011, 11:22 AM

I have to agree about Godland Company, as you have mentioned before since more or less the beginning Psyren was set to a certain objective that was known to us yet it's not the case here because there is yet to be a full agenda or a final goal for anyone but one character, I bet that if this was a first chapter it would not have been revealed as early as this - on another note the art style now in my opinion is more distinctive than that of Psyren, Iwashiro-Sensei in this one-shot can't be compared to Kubo anymore and that is already a plus for me, not that I made that comparison yet it saddened me that Psyren didn't get the recognition it deserved at somepart due to that.

I have a felling though that it won't get serialized so quickly since we already have a demons manga in SJ which is kinda not in it's prime right now and I only see a possibility for good feedback assuming Mago really does get transferred to SQ which I really doubt would happen while the anime will be aired but I might bee completely wrong.

Asgaroth

May 20, 2011, 11:49 AM

Oh, and the pacing is crazy... You don't feel any drag at all, and, even at Ch.10, it's still "bang bang bang" with the way the story is going. I mean take any adventure series out there as example, you'd be already entering the first "longer" arc, and the overall development slows down. But not Magico...

first i though you mean godland and was curious how i missed that it is currently at chapter 10. xD

don't think that magico is this fast pacing. since the 4 chapter we stuck at this forest. if he keeps it up with his attack strenght in 50 chapters the characters are overpowered as at the end of dragonballz.

Finestela

May 20, 2011, 12:54 PM

But there aren't much "people sitting around talking" in the Purge arc though :p
You have so many of those in early chapters of Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach... = ="
[hr]
As for Godland Company, I've given my opinion on it before, that it's a pretty decent prototype that can go in a lot of directions. The characters are cute, too, but I'm just a bit worried it could end up like Zoo if it is to become a series :s

Asgaroth

May 20, 2011, 02:41 PM

But there aren't much "people sitting around talking" in the Purge arc though :p
You have so many of those in early chapters of Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach... = ="

thats maybe right but you can do it booth in a bad way.

talking - i can be boring if they talk about every stone in the forest, but they can talk also about problems or other climax things like betrayl or their experiences, so the reader can build up a bond with the characters.

fighting - yeah you can talk a lot and ran away crying, but of course that would be boring. BUT! to fight without knowing the characters or their intention is boring as well. you don't care about them. i don't remeber the name of the little girl but i didn't care that she was beaten up. i don't think it's a good way to do a story, but its just my opinion. it seems to me like i did all the things right, otherwise it wouldn't be so good ranked in the toc =)

Negative Syndicate

May 20, 2011, 02:59 PM

Issue 25 Cover: One Piece/Lead CP: Bakuman
CP: Reborn, Enigma

Off topic, when I read chapter 448 of Bleach, it said Bleach will also get color page on next issue.

Finestela

May 20, 2011, 05:47 PM

Off topic, when I read chapter 448 of Bleach, it said Bleach will also get color page on next issue.

You are correct. T probably missed it when he was posting his info, and Ohana didn't bother to correct him.

It was mentioned several times in the Bleach Thread at 2ch though.

Oh, and Kubo himself tweeted (http://twitter.com/#!/tite_kubo/status/71595275327778816) that he's starting on a rough sketch for the center color page (which is a bit weird, because they're supposed to have turned in their manuscript nearly 2 weeks before the magazine is out).

Teeba

May 20, 2011, 08:39 PM

^ Could it be Bleach has another center color page in about 2-3 weeks time and he's just being vague? =P Though the days of Bleach color page pimpage are over. >_>

After reading Godland Company, I find the idea really cool. Like, I love how you have this misfit collection of gods and mythical creatures living under the same roof, trying to adapt and give back to human society in some way. But it also has some tried-and-tested elements that I suppose could work for a younger audience. I would definitely read it if he published it, though!

Finestela

May 21, 2011, 04:50 AM

Zatono

May 22, 2011, 12:46 AM

Issue 24
Toriko (Cover, Lead CP)
One Piece
Gintama
Naruto
SKET DANCE
Ikkyuu (CP, 25Pages)
Bakuman
Beelzebub
Medaka Box (CP, 23Pages)
magico
Kuroko no Basket
Inumaru Dashi (CP, 17Pages)
Reborn
Enigma
Bleach
Kochi Kame
Nurarihyon no Mago
Sengoku ARMORS
Meruhen Ouji Grimm
Hokenshitsu no Shinigami
DOIS SOL

Issue 25 Cover: One Piece/Lead CP: Bakuman
CP: Reborn, Enigma

I'm glad to see Toriko and Medaka Box on the rise, they deserve it.

NANAhashi

May 22, 2011, 03:10 AM

I'm glad to see Toriko and Medaka Box on the rise, they deserve it.

Madaka was not ranked.

Asgaroth

May 22, 2011, 03:48 AM

Madaka was not ranked.

also toriko, or not?

quite a few cp do we get this time, aren't we?

NANAhashi

May 22, 2011, 04:48 AM

also toriko, or not?

quite a few cp do we get this time, aren't we?
Due to color page(s)/cover, yap, they were not ranked.

jorped

May 22, 2011, 05:03 AM

I kinda hate the way One Piece is getting each weeks that pass the 1º position.
I am a Narutard and Naruto will always be the manga that i most like , but if i had to vote it isn't like i was going to vote for it every week.
Kishi could have done the war at some points a bit more interesting but it still is a bit weird that Naruto is struggling to maintain on the second position.
One Piece maintains a very high consistency, and most of the chapters are very good , but i can remember some times that on my opinion other mangas beat it , like Naruto and Bakuman.
I don't know of what chapter this TOC is about , but i kinda feel bored cuz it seems that even if One Piece chapter isn't that good is first position won't be in danger

Asgaroth

May 22, 2011, 07:50 AM

...

just because its got enough fanboys. the toc is not about quality. every story got its downs, because this is how storys work! its like the silent before a storm, so it can reach its climax.

i think bakuman does give you quite an insight of how good a chapter is. is it normal, it gets 5. is it good, it gets 1-3 or when its bad, it gets 6-7.

murtas

May 22, 2011, 06:42 PM

One piece is in a really different level, so it is obviously uncontested 1st place. :p

meeedoooz

May 22, 2011, 06:50 PM

it's not about quality or " being in another level " or what ever... it's about popularity and having enough fan boys ...

Verilance

May 22, 2011, 07:11 PM

Elyon A. Luna

May 22, 2011, 10:21 PM

I like that Sket Dance has been rising in the numbers, hope it keeps.

meeedoooz

May 22, 2011, 10:21 PM

well, there is nothing wrong in being a fan boy... and popularity doesn't equal quality... especially if you are judging by one country... but that isn't the point... the last chapters of one piece ( though i'm a "fan boy" of it ) doesn't deserve the first place or the second and that's a fair judgment ... any other manga chapter has to be extra extra wonderful to take that place but one piece gets it any way with any kind of chapters except once or twice, and most of the times that goes for naruto too... their rank is granted but lately naruto seems to be judged by quality that's why it's struggling to maintain on the second position. no manga deserves to be in the top spot always... and i'm a big fan of one piece so i know that this arc and the last chapters doesn't deserve the 1st place...

Finestela

May 22, 2011, 10:30 PM

I think the point is that many readers vote for OP for the sake of it. It doesn't matter if it's the low point or whatever within the arc, there will still be enough people voting for it to boost it to the top (or close to it).

Naruto has enough loyal readers to bear through the rough patches, but still fluctuates every now and then.

The issue with Bleach is that, the fan base is split between those that enjoys seeing Ichigo, and those that enjoys seeing the side characters. The side character group sees no reason to support the current arc since most of their favorites aren't making any appearance at all. To top it off, the swing voters felt it dragging. Thus, its ranking is at where it is now.

SoulEaterFreak

May 23, 2011, 02:42 AM

Little info about issue #25:

Bakuman. (Lead CP)
Reborn! (CP)
BLEACH (CP)
enigma (CP)
Hanasaka Ikkyu (23 pages)

Savi

May 23, 2011, 04:14 AM

Inumarudashi gets Flash Anime
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-05-23/shonen-jump-inumarudashi-manga-gets-flash-anime

Zeromcd

May 23, 2011, 04:52 AM

Little info about issue #25:

Bakuman. (Lead CP)
Reborn! (CP)
BLEACH (CP)
enigma (CP)
Hanasaka Ikkyu (23 pages)
The Official Japanese Jump website does not say that Bleach is getting a color page, but the official English site does.

The current chapter of Bleach also mentioned it was getting a color page next issue so it's probably true.

The Japanese Jump website has made mistakes before, like saying the author of Kuroko no Basket was Ryuhei Tamura (Beelzebub) instead of Tadatoshi Fujimaki.

SoulEaterFreak

May 23, 2011, 06:49 AM

The Official Japanese Jump website does not say that Bleach is getting a color page, but the official English site does.

The current chapter of Bleach also mentioned it was getting a color page next issue so it's probably true.

The Japanese Jump website has made mistakes before, like saying the author of Kuroko no Basket was Ryuhei Tamura (Beelzebub) instead of Tadatoshi Fujimaki.

And that's why I included BLEACH ^^

StrangerAtaru

May 23, 2011, 07:35 AM

Divinenega

May 23, 2011, 08:35 AM

Inumaru gets flash anime, sort of going the Jaguar route I guess...now that I could say is probably the "little series that could" thinking back on hte days when people said "oh, he's exposing his weiner all the time, get it away!"

(now this should make the Kuroko/Medaka fans squirm to see if they're next)

As for Sket, I think either the world has finally caught up with it or it just has much more noteriety in the marketplace with the anime now airing in Japan.

I guess so, but it seems to be rather obvious that Medaka would be next since again, rankings aside, it sells a pretty good amount per volume despite lacking an anime...and with Nishio's name behind it, it has a pretty good shot of being sucessful beyond just boosting tank sales.

I guess the flash thing is good news for Inu fans though(never read myself). Maybe Kuroko will end up going this route too...

ChocoBar9

May 23, 2011, 11:22 AM

There's no real or consistent basis of who or when in terms of anime. It gets it when there's interest for it in the market and who those it appeal to the most. I never really expected Mago, Ao no Exorcist and Beelzebub to get anime so early in their manga lifespan but clearly they appeals beyond the manga market

[Cross]

May 23, 2011, 12:27 PM

Seems like the pool is becoming smaller now, leaving Kuroko and Medaka. I'm still holding down my opinion that we won't hear any news about new Jump anime than what's already established until late 2011.

Rejuvenation

May 23, 2011, 01:56 PM

I've always pegged a Medaka anime announcement for Fall 2011 or Spring 2012. The series condenses content too much for it to have a quality anime before it has 2-3 years worth of chapters under its belt. If it got it at the 80 chapter mark like Beelzebub it would have been a disaster unless Nishio worked with the anime team to help flesh out certain portions of the series.

kewl0210

May 23, 2011, 02:47 PM

Nice to hear for Inumaru. I think I'll watch that. Dunno if I'll ever end up actually translating that manga.
It IS good, but it's very wordy and Gintama-y in its joke telling. Which is hard for me to do on top of Gintama, even if each chapter is only 10 pages it's still a lot.

susanoo13

May 23, 2011, 02:57 PM

jorped

May 23, 2011, 05:25 PM

of course it is about quality..

Do you think so many adults would still read One Piece if it wasn't quality?

Do you think it would sell nearly double the volume sales as the next manga if it wasn't on another level?

You might not like it but many people in Japan and elsewhere do. It is not just about being a "fanboy"

I think what makes One Piece this popular isn't the quality in itself , cuz i thing that Naruto might be able to be as much or even more interesting than One Piece ! But i think that One Piece wins more because the story isn't as bold as Naruto's !
Naruto story evolves so many feelings and morals that in our world are nothing more than impossible to achieve and i think that probably much adults will not be able of feeling attached to the story cuz they lived a lot already and they know that the world is a very complicate one and such ideals are impossible to achieve, so they probably won't identify with Naruto.
I think this might be a reason , at least that's the way i see it

Verilance

May 23, 2011, 05:49 PM

I strongly disagree, and I am both a One Piece fan and a Naruto fan, though truth be told neither of them are my favourite manga or even in my top five.

One Piece despite its silliness is an incredibly deep manga filled with powerful stuff, and perhaps it is because of it's overall tone it is much more effective with presenting stuff such as racism, slavery and the like.

anyway this discussion is probably going way off topic which is WSJ in general not specific manga

Divinenega

May 23, 2011, 06:00 PM

I think that any anime that starts before the manga has at least 120 chapters might end up on to tight a schedule and the fear of catching up, look at Naruto Shippuuden shich started when part 2 had 101 chapters in comparison to part 1 which started when the manga had 135-140 chapters or the beginning of bleach which had 155 chapters in it's first episode but well Kubo is not really known for compressing a lot of content in each chapter.

I heven't read Medaka apart for it's first chapter yet but somehow I was curious and read from chapter 85-91 which kinda threw me to speculate if this manga is kinda set to be an anime of 26-39 episodes tops.

No it would need at least 52 episodes to be done right. Possibly 78 if each story arc is divided into 26 episodes. I personally think it;s far enough along to run it;s course and not run into the manga, especially since it seems to be in it;s last arc anyway. Plus there are quite a few things that could be expanded on in the series that could strech out the material for an anime a bit.

But yeah I do sort of agree with Cross that it wouldn't be anytime soon. My guess would be Fall or Winter 2011 though. Spring 2012 at latest but I don;t think it would take that long in my opinion.

[Cross]

May 23, 2011, 06:15 PM

I think what makes One Piece this popular isn't the quality in itself , cuz i thing that Naruto might be able to be as much or even more interesting than One Piece ! But i think that One Piece wins more because the story isn't as bold as Naruto's

I think you're ignoring that Naruto is guilty of a similar thing. Bleach was for a while as well, but its current slump is evidence of people getting on the up and up. If we were to rate the latest chapters of Naruto on quality, it would certainly rate lower imo, it's dragging quite a bit and the war is turning into a flaky plot device. One Piece seems to be hitting its stride at the moment in its current arc while Naruto is stumbling a bit, so you can't blame people for voting One Piece over Naruto.