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anrufen
December 05, 2010, 06:20 AM
The Buildup
Edo Tensei had MASSIVE buildup! Starting from Orochimaru summoning the 2 hokages; the 3rd, with no option remaining having to resort to sealing their souls into the death god...and then Kabuto becoming all powerful, and bringing back corpses that impresses even Madara....then came the league of Undead Ninja who in their lives were considered immensly powerful in their times. That was the build up for the Edo Tensei technique....one that puts Madara in a far stronger position than the alliance!

The Execution
Once the jutsu was executed in war...
Only one major collateral achieved from this technique in the war....Yamato....Ninjas like Sasori is taken care of in only 2 chapters....a root done in by a drawing...within a few panels....No major loss from the Alliance...Anko was killed by Kabuto...no resurrections....their weakness found on the onset of the war!

My Opinion
An execution not worth its build up! The buildup was such that, this technique would put the alliance on the back foot....on the defense....badly bashed...spirits of the just dwindling....like a war is supposed to be! And then out of the rubbles of destruction, the character building would be so much more awesome...Imagine Kankuro's victory...the same victory after Sasori managed to shatter a large portion of military power and put little villages in ruins! Basically a war that is rushing to reach its final outcome!

Poll on...and love to see y'alls opinions!

ameya730
December 05, 2010, 06:32 AM
i think your conclusions are premature cause the weakness that your talking about is a result of kabuto not actually using the technique completely.

when orochimaru used edo tensai he immediately inserted them with fuda tags so as to erase their personalities.

kabuto has not yet done that. in my opinion he has done that on purpose although i dont have any solid evidence to back this up. sure kabuto lost two ninjas but in hidnsight they seem particularly insignificant. shin did not show anything for us to assume that he would be a uber ninja and sasori without his puppets was ultimately pretty weak.

at this moment what we are still seeing , i believe , a build up of edo tensai. it seems more like kabuto is luring the alliance into a false sense of security that edo tensai has a weakness. with respect to that kabuto has already gained a psychological advantage by getting into the enemy's head.

so in my opinion its too early to criticize edo tensai. for me the war has just started and right now its more mind game from kabuto and madara as compared to increased body count.

anrufen
December 05, 2010, 06:50 AM
Cool...Kabuto I think has already given the reason for keeping their personalities....2nd panel of this page:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v52/c516/5.html
Although the first panel also validates your logic about Kabuto giving them a false hope about being able to beat Edo Tensei....but see he is not leaving their personalities intact because he wants to...but because he cant at the moment...and can eventually do so! So it is not part of his plan...At least till now.
Your logic makes sense, but the loophole is, if this was a way to implant a false sense of security, dont you think he would have done so with Ninjas more dispensable than Sasori and Deidara? There is a psychological game here...but its to weaken the alliances Spirits by making emotions get in their way...dead bodies with personalities would be harder to "kill" than just zombies by their loved ones! I think Kabuto never saw this weakness in the technique that Kishi decided to introduce so early on in the war (that is mainly where my problem lies)!

I might be jumping into conclusions...but I dont think this war is going to be dragged out to be a fully lasting war...as in a war that goes on for years....I mean Naruto will not be training there for much longer...and once he gets out, we know the war is pretty much coming to an end...unless there is a time skip!

ameya730
December 05, 2010, 07:45 AM
Cool...Kabuto I think has already given the reason for keeping their personalities....2nd panel of this page:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v52/c516/5.html
Although the first panel also validates your logic about Kabuto giving them a false hope about being able to beat Edo Tensei....but see he is not leaving their personalities intact because he wants to...but because he cant at the moment...and can eventually do so! So it is not part of his plan...At least till now.
Your logic makes sense, but the loophole is, if this was a way to implant a false sense of security, dont you think he would have done so with Ninjas more dispensable than Sasori and Deidara? There is a psychological game here...but its to weaken the alliances Spirits by making emotions get in their way...dead bodies with personalities would be harder to "kill" than just zombies by their loved ones! I think Kabuto never saw this weakness in the technique that Kishi decided to introduce so early on in the war (that is mainly where my problem lies)!

I might be jumping into conclusions...but I dont think this war is going to be dragged out to be a fully lasting war...as in a war that goes on for years....I mean Naruto will not be training there for much longer...and once he gets out, we know the war is pretty much coming to an end...unless there is a time skip!

you have a point that this flaw of edo tensai might have been introduced too early. a initial clash followed by casualties to the alliance and then the alliance discovering the weakness would hvae been more appropriate and would have seemed more in flow.

now that i think about it the souls finding enlightenment seems to be more of a mistake rather the kabuto's planning. like you said there were more dispensable ninjas than sasori and diedara, so why did kabuto have to send them.

i think even kabuto was lulled into a false sense of security that he could call back the ninjas to their coffins anytime he wanted like he did with diedara during the tsuchikage fight. he would never have imagined that souls with free will would be able to find peace by interacting with their comrades.

if this was indeed a mistake on kabuto's part and not a deliberate decision then i think we would see kabuto rectifying it in the upcoming chapters.

i would be happy if the above scenario came true cause then it would show that even evil villains with large than life plans are still humans and can still make error. what can i say, i am an optimistic at heart :p.

Dattebayo!
December 05, 2010, 08:25 AM
It seems to me that with this section of the story that Kishi just chose a weak way to pad things out, he took some of the greatest Ninjas in the story in Sasori and Deidara (granted Sasori had no puppets) but to defeat them in such a non epic way is plain silly, the jutsu needs its weak spot..and now we see what a poor, weak one it is - you can see the outcome with alot of the resurected ninjas, Neji and his dad, Tsunade and Dan, Raikage/Bee and his father, Asuma and his former team.. the list goes on, consider the edo tensei fights as fillers and the ones after as the main story.

ashher
December 05, 2010, 11:55 PM
Execution so far has been bad...but there may be 2 possible and acceptable reasons behind this apparent fail...1.kabuto is doing this intentionally 2.kabuto wasn't able to concentrate enough as he was busy with anko. Either of there 2 will change the whole complexion, otherwise it will be counted as pure fail.

anrufen
December 08, 2010, 10:06 AM
Kishimoto forgot what Ninjutsu is all about in his realm....emotions seem to be the strongest Jutsu there is....one can say its on par with the almighty Sharingan!