Bartholemew Kuma vs. Sir Crocodile

[RezzieThaRapper]

It's a battle to the death...


Kuma has his personality...


Crocodile has his bad-assedness...



WHO WINS: The Battlefield Is Arabasta...

(And though it hasn't been shown, We will assume for this battle that Kuma's attacks can hit Logia, but Kuma can not send Crocodile flying)

[kkck]

I think kuma wins this one. He is part robot so crocodile dehydration abilities will have a rather limited effect of kuma. Speed wise kuma is superior and based on what we have seen I think kuma fruit ability could affect crocodile even without haki.

[Zehahaha]

Anyway, Crocodile has no chance of actually hurting the guy here, I don't think his Spada stuff will hurt him. But, it was said that Kuma is a " human weapon ", so part of him must still be human I guess...

But still, if you give Kuma the advantage of hitting Croco with his powers, then Croco is doomed. I think this is kinda too much since Crocodile don't even have the power to hurt him.

[scav]

hum i think crocodile will win.And i won't say crocodile has no chance of hurting Kuma. The battlefield is the desert, and crocodile is invincible there, his Spada stuff will be more powerfull, plus he can manipulate the desert.And i don't think we saw the full potential of crocodile when he was fighting luffy in the middle of the desert. i guess he can do awesome stuff with the sand around him when he's in the desert.
remember when he cut the desert in half with one attack? http://www.mangareader.net/103-2285-6/one-piece/chapter-178.html

[Zehahaha]

hum i think crocodile will win.And i won't say crocodile has no chance of hurting Kuma. The battlefield is the desert, and crocodile is invincible there, his Spada stuff will be more powerfull, plus he can manipulate the desert.And i don't think we saw the full potential of crocodile when he was fighting luffy in the middle of the desert. i guess he can do awesome stuff with the sand around him when he's in the desert.
remember when he cut the desert in half with one attack? http://www.mangareader.net/103-2285-6/one-piece/chapter-178.html

There's a difference between cutting the desert, and cutting something harder than steel. For all I remember, Crocrodile was never shown being able to cut steel with his Desert Spada, yet cut Kuma's metallic body.

[scav]

if crocodile can't cut the steel, Daz bone wouldn't be his underling( weaker than him). But as i said i don't think we saw the full potential of crocodile in the desert, we saw him only one time fighting in the desert and he didn't used all his power.U guys underestimate crocodile, during the war remember he stopped mihawk, akainu and he fought against doflamingo. Why fighting a cyborg in the desert will be too much for him.

[Samui]

if crocodile can't cut the steel, Daz bone wouldn't be his underling( weaker than him). But as i said i don't think we saw the full potential of crocodile in the desert, we saw him only one time fighting in the desert and he didn't used all his power.U guys underestimate crocodile, during the war remember he stopped mihawk, akainu and he fought against doflamingo. Why fighting a cyborg in the desert will be too much for him.
Even if he can cut steel, Kuma's body is much harder.

Plus, his dehydration ability wouldn't affect Kuma.

[MonsterEnvy]

Croc has not been showing Cutting steel he has been shown smashing steel to tiny pieces with a spada shockwave any way Kuma won't be able to hurt him normally but he can maybe collect water particales in the air with his power inorder to hit Crocodile (but thats a strong maybe

if it was not removed he could just send Croc into the water

in a normal Proper battle with all powers Kuma wins

in Kuma can't use his powers to send Croc flying but can hit him anyway aka your senario. kuma wins

if all kuma can do is not telaport him Croc wins

[Zehahaha]

Croc has not been showing Cutting steel he has been shown smashing steel to tiny pieces with a spada shockwave any way Kuma won't be able to hurt him normally but he can maybe collect water particales in the air with his power inorder to hit Crocodile (but thats a strong maybe



Can you please link me the chapter where it was shown that Croco was able to do that ? I don't remember him doing such a thing

[Lord Rayleigh]

Can you please link me the chapter where it was shown that Croco was able to do that ? I don't remember him doing such a thing
If he talks about one of Crocodile's last attack which made some kind of shockwave in his ultimate fight with Luffy, it only broke rocks there since there was no steel.

[Zehahaha]

If he talks about one of Crocodile's last attack which made some kind of shockwave in his ultimate fight with Luffy, it only broke rocks there since there was no steel.

Yeah I remember that attack, Sables Pesado or something close to that. But as you said, it was only rock inside the tomb, no traces of steel or any metal.

[daman246]

kuma pwns croco boy badly look what the guy did to the strawhat crew himself he totally anihilated them and luffy beat crocodile on his own but took luck but kuma is much dangerous and his powers are to be feared he can reject anything which is ridiculous

[warriorofvirtue]

crocodile could use sand to jam kumas robot parts and destroy him from the inside

[malgranda]

I doubt that Kuma's shockwave can hurt logia. Or at least sand. It may be difficult to destroy sand with air.

Kuma isn't robot, he can bleed, so he probably needs water to function. One Croc's drain and he is done. Croc can hide in large sandstorm, he can hide under the sand. Unless Kuma can predict attacks with haki (and he probably isn't good at this, he didn't evade Zoro) evacuation seems like a smart choice for him.

Crocodile has big advantage, but i think Kuma would be cautious enough to evade Crocodile's attacks.

[kkck]

The shockwaves probably won't do much to crocodile but the paw paw's ability itself would be an issue. The shockwave is an application of the ability so there obviously is more to it. I think the paw paw fruit would allow kuma to repel crocodile's real body thus hurting him. Kuma has already shown to be capable of repelling and giving physical form to intangible things like wounds (as he did with luffy), so I don't think a logia's body would be a problem to him. Kuma has already shown the speed and teleportation abilities required to easily avoid crocodile's attack IMO.

[Blue Walk]

I voted for Crocodile on this one, cuz if its fought in the desert (home field advantage) I'm sure that he could use some moves to slow down if not hold kuma's feet and sink him into the sand, hence taking care of the speed issue. Plus, all that heavy metal that kuma is composed of could prove to be his downfall cuz if he sinks it would be that much harder for him to get back up. Yea i know his paw paw fruit can reject stuff, but while he's worrying about quicksand and whatnot, Croc. could be attacking him with his hook and powers. And if the hook doesnt work, don't forget their's poison in it as well.

[BlackHair]

Kuma wins if he has his personality. But he would lose if he is just a mindless Robot.

Anyway, Kuma is a notorious prate, means he sure must of fought logias. Im sure he has haki or other way to oppose Logia intagibiltiy.

[bittman]

Meh, I think Kuma would win even post-personality removal. Make up Crocodile attacks all you want, we haven't see anything that could damage Kuma with Crocodiles abilities minus the water removal, which even then might not work since he'd basically need to touch Kuma's face or hands (the only proven human parts). A pre-personality removal Kuma would easily teleport, post maybe not, but has the ability and prowess to.

Poison in hook would be useless, since he's a cyborg. Laser beams from mouth have a good chance of being superheated enough to burn sand also. Too many advantages on Kuma's side, Crocodile's chances of winning rely soley on luck imo.

As for "Can Kuma damage Croc with shockwaves?" impossible to tell. At the very least, the shockwaves would easily be more powerful than Croco's most powerful attacks, and thus Kuma would have a counter advantage.

[Franckie]

Kuma wins if he has his personality. But he would lose if he is just a mindless Robot.

Anyway, Kuma is a notorious prate, means he sure must of fought logias. Im sure he has haki or other way to oppose Logia intagibiltiy.

Pacifistas possess artificial intelligence and we saw Kuma is still capable of making effective use of his Devil Fruit during the war. There's no strong evidence indicating he became stupid after he "died".

[BlackHair]

No, I wasn't going there. I just can't see a robot using haki. Haki is translated as willpower, how can a robot without personality have sth like a "will" on his own? Thus I can't see Kuma bypassing Crocodile's logia.

Not that it was confirmed that he had haki in the first place, Im just assuming he had.

[kkck]

Kuma was already able to affect something intangible like wounds, give them a physical form and do as he please with it. If he is able to do that with wounds, I can't imagine kuma having trouble with logias in general. His ability is to repel and grab a hold of things, IMO it is a natural counter to logia's intangibility. Above that, in terms of endurance and speed kuma vastly outclasses crocodile. Not only the guy moves fast but he also can quite literally teleport. Even with sandstorms kuma can easily teleport out of the way. Kuma's ursa could could likely contain the storm though....

[St Michael]

If we had to sum up Kuma, it could be done like this : one of the most imbalanced DF known, an harder-than-steel body and a funny hat.

This guy seems invicible to me.

[BlackHair]

Yea' about Kuma's DF. Honestly I still don't have a full grasp of his powers yet. The thing I like about OP, unlike in Naruto FT Bleach and other, u always have a full grasp of characters ability. Even though it is fictional and fantasy, it's always within the realm of understanding. I mean even if the character hasn't shown his full ability yet, you can guess where the limit are, as long the ability is explained. However Kuma is the only exception. I don't get some of his ability, like teleporting and the stun he pulled with Zoro.

I guess Im the only one.

[bittman]

No-one truly understands Kuma's abilities. From what we've seen, we can grasp a fair understanding of it, but they aren't a true representation. I could name 50% of the Devil Fruit'ed cast of One Piece whose powers I still don't quite fully understand.

To me, Kuma is not the only exception. Before the WB War Arc, I thought Aokoji had to touch water to turn it into ice, yet lo and behold he stopped two tidal waves from potentially something ridiculous like a kilometre away. There are few fruits we believe we understand, and even characters like Buggy, who we thought had obvious rules, seemed to have more than expected with their reintroduction (the travel distance between feet was explained in ID, 500 and something chapters after his first introduction).

Kuma is just another one of those fruits/abilities whose boundaries we are not close to understanding. And even then, the basic premise we might be wrong about. See, it's my belief Kuma's ability is to repel. But perhaps his ability is just to manipulate air which gives him this repulsion ability? So in this regard, he is one of a few whose basic premise has not been explained. I think only Doflamingo and some of the Supernova's (Hawkins and Law for example) sit in this category.

[kkck]

The paw paw fruit has not been completely elaborated upon but I don't think it is that complicated either. From what we have seen it can either repel or grab a hold of stuff. We saw the fruit repelling zoro's sword, repelling the strawhats to specific locations, repeling himself to pretty much teleport (thats how I interpreted it anyways) and even repel abstract things like pain and fatigue giving them a physical form. It can also grab a hold of things such as air to make the ursa shock and perhaps what he did with luffy's pain, fatigue and wounds could fall into that category. We know what the fruit does, what we do not know is the scope of its abilities. Is there a limit as to how far away he could repel someone? Is there a way to oppose the repulsion once it has been used on you? Could those repelling abilities be used to repel a logia's real body (I think it would work that way)?

[Ipoopshootingstars]

I think some people are selling Croco-boy short. I don't know of you guys remeber this but crocodile did fight with Whitebeard and live tell the tale. And some people where saying that croc's right hand arid powers wouldn't work against kuma, bull-low-ney. Did you see what he did the Alabasta palace? Come on your telling that wouldn't work on someone who is part human?

[kkck]

^It wouldn't work on metal and oil.... and the sand would have to at least come in contact with water for it to actually work. Even then, kuma can actually teleport out of the way of anything crocodile can throw and his paws should be more than capable of repelling sandstorms and sand blades. Heck, sandstorms shouldn't even have an effect on kuma considering the guy has taken his own ursa shock and withstood it from the very center.