Mahou Sensei Negima 315 Discussion

[vintagemistakes]

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[Shadow Limiter]

For a surprise, the early spoiler (even though it is minor) for ch 315 this time has been revealed by "Ken Akamatsu" himself in an TV interview.

Based on that, this chapters starting pages are going to focus on Setsuna's fight.

Here is ANB's blog link for that minor spoiler,

http://astronerdboy.blogspot.com/2011/01/negima-chapter-315-spoiler-image-from.html

[eclipse12]

What I see that is going to happen is that setsuna throughout all this chapter she is going to get beaten up then after tsukiyomi has her on the floor she will tell her that she is going to go after konaka next and most likely do sexual this to her and on the last page setsuna gets up and says I will never let that happen or you will never lay a hand on her (Because that is what I am going to do.(Kidding)).

[bebuxe]

we hope so right? hehehe

taking away the s3x part, but yeah, sounds like a good retribution.

Or she does: Secret Hidden Strike of Nose Hair.

[deSolAxe]

if I'm not mistaken Setsuna is full blood isn't she? I vaguely remember her saying that they abandoned her because of color of the wings... not a word about being half-blood...
If so it means she should be able to transform into more complete form than just wings... (something like Kotarou's transformation I guess - remember those summoned birdmen in Kyoto) so it should give her bigger boost than just wings, shouldn't it?

Anyway... I'd rather have a look on Mana's fight for a moment not that I don't like Setsuna..

[Bloodios]

Nah, I think she's a half-breed just like Kotarou, remember her face when Kotarou how hard his life was as half-breed during the Mahora Budokai? But if Kotarou can transform then perhaps Setsuna can too, just haven't shown (or known how to properly do) it yet, maybe?

[yakitatefreak]

If she [Setsuna Sakurazaki] was full blooded, then she would look non-human... so assuming that she is half bird tribe demon, she has the ability to transform, much like Inu-Yasha, and Kotaro(u) [Inu-Yasha probably inspired some of this stuff, after all Ken Akamatsu liked the series].

Besides that explanation, I kinda want to see Secchan pull off a last minute rescue moment in the midst of battle, where Konoka is being attacked. That would be cool, like the Attack of Kyoto during the visit to Kyoto Western Magic HQ [Konoka's home] where Secchan rescued Konoka after the demon summoning.

[Ultimaniac]

Besides that explanation, I kinda want to see Secchan pull off a last minute rescue moment in the midst of battle, where Konoka is being attacked. That would be cool, like the Attack of Kyoto during the visit to Kyoto Western Magic HQ [Konoka's home] where Secchan rescued Konoka after the demon summoning.

Personally, I think the KonoSetsu last-minute saves are getting kinda old. First summoned demons in kyoto costume village, then Monkey Lady, then Sukuna-demon-something-or-other, then Fate at the gateport, then soldiers during the raid at the Governor General's Ball. And it always ends with Konoka going SET-CHAN <(^o^)>

[CandidSt4r]

I'm finding KonoSetsu to be old in general. I would love to see more moments where Setsuna shines on her own or with another character, especially with Asuna or Negi which to me are moments usually more interesting than the typical "rescue Konoka!!!" scenarios. (This part is kind of irrelevant but... why do people think of Setsuna as some kind of sexual predator...? If anything Kono's the one who'd want to do the dirty things...)

Either way I'm anticipating the new chapter because I wanted to see Tsukuyomi vs Setsuna's fight. Negi will have his awesome protagonist spotlight time again soon so a little sidetracking from the main battle won't hurt.

This is just my opinion though. :P

[bebuxe]

I'm finding KonoSetsu to be old in general. I would love to see more moments where Setsuna shines on her own or with another character, especially with Asuna or Negi which to me are moments usually more interesting than the typical "rescue Konoka!!!" scenarios.
Agree


(This part is kind of irrelevant but... why do people think of Setsuna as some kind of sexual predator...? If anything Kono's the one who'd want to do the dirty things...)
Because it makes the scenario completely ironic using antithesis elements, and thus more funny. take for example this excerpt from the series of happiness and cyanide:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/525875

What makes it so hilarious is that fact that the norm/stereotype of what most individuals see a homeless individual does/behave was attacked profusely in the action this certain individual does, and the reaction a "normal" individual witnessing it feels or exhorts. If not noticed initially, the realization of an inverse element usage in a character device (stereotype) may be missed.

The same can be said about setsuna committing unwanted acts to the womanhood of Konaka by means of coercion (wordy...). More than likely most readers would find what you suggested appropriate. The more inappropriate the funnier, right?

prime recent example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvHXzP2SpLA&feature=topvideos

[Pronois]

What I see that is going to happen is that setsuna throughout all this chapter she is going to get beaten up then after tsukiyomi has her on the floor she will tell her that she is going to go after konaka next and most likely do sexual this to her and on the last page setsuna gets up and says I will never let that happen or you will never lay a hand on her (Because that is what I am going to do.(Kidding)).

Just occured to me that am I the only on that thinks that there could actually be a reverse situation here involved. As comments before me stated, it's always been the basic damsel in distress situation where the "princess" (in this case the Ojou-sama) gets saved.

I made an assumption a long, long time ago that it would actually end up as the heroine acting as the hero for a change. For what it's worth, I believe that Konoka has stated in the past that "she wants to protect her too", well what better chance than now. She got freed from the femme-Fates waterlock and now since Negi will go all out on the Fate gang I believe she will have some time to concentrate on Setsuna for a while as well. I mean as cliché as it would be, it still would be needed. I'm seeing Tsuku-chan wanting more to rape Secchan that Konoka anyhow (DO NOT WANT!), but what I would wanna see is Kono-chan at least protest to that (With violence please..) she doesn't have to succeed but at least to show.. I don't know.. some care maybe?

I'm just long waiting that she would just stand up for the knight, partner, childhood friend, love.. erhm.. too, with boosting her sword ("The god of swords" for gods sake.. it has to be more epic..) or something at least. Also this way Setsuna still could shine on her own, save everyone from the evil rapist without always acting the cliché "must save ojou-sama"-way from of which we all know her from.

Ofc, I have personal preferences on how I would want the next chapter to go but this is something I'd expect and also hope to happen. :) (That was rather lenghty for my first post. :p)

[Epic_Rider]

Just occured to me that am I the only on that thinks that there could actually be a reverse situation here involved. As comments before me stated, it's always been the basic damsel in distress situation where the "princess" (in this case the Ojou-sama) gets saved.

I made an assumption a long, long time ago that it would actually end up as the heroine acting as the hero for a change. For what it's worth, I believe that Konoka has stated in the past that "she wants to protect her too", well what better chance than now. She got freed from the femme-Fates waterlock and now since Negi will go all out on the Fate gang I believe she will have some time to concentrate on Setsuna for a while as well. I mean as cliché as it would be, it still would be needed. I'm seeing Tsuku-chan wanting more to rape Secchan that Konoka anyhow (DO NOT WANT!), but what I would wanna see is Kono-chan at least protest to that (With violence please..) she doesn't have to succeed but at least to show.. I don't know.. some care maybe?

I'm just long waiting that she would just stand up for the knight, partner, childhood friend, love.. erhm.. too, with boosting her sword ("The god of swords" for gods sake.. it has to be more epic..) or something at least. Also this way Setsuna still could shine on her own, save everyone from the evil rapist without always acting the cliché "must save ojou-sama"-way from of which we all know her from.

Ofc, I have personal preferences on how I would want the next chapter to go but this is something I'd expect and also hope to happen. :) (That was rather lenghty for my first post. :p)

First things first, welcome to the board, Pronois.

Second, while I can sympathize with what you want to see happen, I wonder if it will go that way. Konoka isn't a combat type and her getting involved with the fighting will only lead to Setsuna getting distracted.

[Mekuso]

Well, since Nodoka suddenly became a somewhat capable fighter, I don't see why Konoka shouldn't get similar treatment. She was, after all, blessed with magical talent even before the story began, unlike Nodoka. It sounds wierd that all Konoka is able to do is to charge Setsuna's blade, she should be able to do something on her own.

On the other hand, everybody relies on her healing abilities, so it's not like she has been shown to be worthless, she just hasn't done much on her own.

[Pronois]

First things first, welcome to the board, Pronois.

Second, while I can sympathize with what you want to see happen, I wonder if it will go that way. Konoka isn't a combat type and her getting involved with the fighting will only lead to Setsuna getting distracted.

First. Thanks. :D

Secondly. Most likely yeah, I know Setsuna wouldn't accept her going into combat anyhow. But I still think that scenes like:

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v04/c030/6.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v04/c032/15.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v06/c051/9.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v21/c188/7.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v30/c274/8.html

happen way more than enough. If you see what I mean by cliché. I think it's sweet and all, I mean very much, but.. This is something that people actually expect to happen by far when it comes to those two fighting.

Especially since we know Tsukuyomi's "tendencies", and her sadistic way of wanting to violate Setsuna.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v25/c228/13.html

I wouldn't mind seeing some reaction from Konoka to a moment like that. Again probably unlikely, but then again I've seen wierder things happen. Also in this arc the Negi-party has been proving itself of doing pretty amazing feats. I just guess I want to expect for the unexpected. She can do as much as charge her blade and give her power, and that was spontanious. I wonder what would happen if she really wanted to give her strenght as they are even partners now.

I'm not thinking she will suddenly find a spell to finish off Tsukuyomi or something, just something that makes her help Setsuna win at least. Just not act like a complete DID (damsel in distress).And to borrow Mekuso's words. Exactly, Nodoka isn't the fighter type either. But from what we've seen she's been on the edge lately. Don't you think? (Respecting that btw!)

Well not to go too off-topic... XD I'm really waiting what the next few chapters can bring. It should proof to be interesting. :D

[deSolAxe]

I'd say that Konoka hadn't made progress that way... she was learning healing spells and always had someone to look after her... so I don't think she can do much... some improved barriers at best (IMO)

If anything.. then I'd say that she'll purify Hina.. that kind of thing would go with her image...

[CandidSt4r]

Heh heh, maybe I'm boring then because I don't care for the more "inappropriate" or unexpected outcome of Setsuna being the one who does those things.

Anyways while I do find KonoSetsu moments to be old, I think that Konoka saving Setsuna for once would change things up a bit and I would be okay with that outcome over the more cliche one. It does seem Konoka hasn't really changed much in terms of battle position though compared to everyone else... I mean Makie was even out there facing the Fate clone. I understand she is the team's healer but she has a lot of magical potential.

[Pronois]

Heh heh, maybe I'm boring then because I don't care for the more "inappropriate" or unexpected outcome of Setsuna being the one who does those things.

Anyways while I do find KonoSetsu moments to be old, I think that Konoka saving Setsuna for once would change things up a bit and I would be okay with that outcome over the more cliche one. It does seem Konoka hasn't really changed much in terms of battle position though compared to everyone else... I mean Makie was even out there facing the Fate clone. I understand she is the team's healer but she has a lot of magical potential.

I completely agree. It feels kinda like every one is kinda moving on, and I totally forgot about Makie lol. :P

But even these people who were just considered to be the side characters are already fighting, people who before were crying out of confusion when entering the magical world, are now people who fight Team-Fate (including his harem).

I don't also see why her position couldn't change for also a bit offencive. As an example: "In Final Fantasy you can play a white mage and still teach her something like Holy besides healing spells." so why couldn't she do something. Well like I said, as long as she at least just acted as a buffer or came a part of the fight to heal Setsuna for a fatal wound or something else like that it would make my day.

A DiD is always more epic when she can do more than just scream for help or cower in fear while waiting for the hero-ine to save her from the evil dragon/demon/rapist etc.. She just needs to shine a bit to help Setsuna shine too.

(On a side note, I've been waiting for KonoSetsu stuff to happen for a while so idk if I would care no matter what would happen as long as it just would. XD Still though.. I'd prefer it to go as mentioned above.)

[bebuxe]

I don't also see why her position couldn't change for also a bit offencive. As an example: "In Final Fantasy you can play a white mage and still teach her something like Holy besides healing spells." so why couldn't she do something. Well like I said, as long as she at least just acted as a buffer or came a part of the fight to heal Setsuna for a fatal wound or something else like that it would make my day.

A DiD is always more epic when she can do more than just scream for help or cower in fear while waiting for the hero-ine to save her from the evil dragon/demon/rapist etc.. She just needs to shine a bit to help Setsuna shine too.

(On a side note, I've been waiting for KonoSetsu stuff to happen for a while so idk if I would care no matter what would happen as long as it just would. XD Still though.. I'd prefer it to go as mentioned above.)
I am sorry but the first two paragraphs you just described reminded me of the character Collete from Tales of Symphonia. Most of what you just said happens to her like that. A nothing, "help me," wannabe turns into an angel of justice, so much that she has the perfect DNA to make the goddess Martel inhabit her (a powerful foe....). And to make it even more funny, her most strongest move is actually a mistake in the chanting/prayer of a spell (holy and judgement = holy judgement).

And for the last one, you got their pactio kiss. You can print the scene in the manga and make a wallpaper for your room. Just tell Ken-san you did that, he might commission it (or the other way around :). And tell me if I am wrong, what about the bath scenes? Anything there? If what you mean is heartfelt hug, or kiss, from a sad event; nope, still waiting on that. But happy ones I (forgetfully) think have occurred. If you mean thank-you-from-bottom-of-my-heart-tight-felt hug, maybe that has not happened.

[Ultimaniac]

Like Eva and all the higher ups said, Konoka has immense magical capacity so I think she can become an excellent traditional "back-attacker" mage. Can you imagine how powerful a top tier spell would be from her when she learns to properly control her magic. Like when she knows enough to restore the people of Negi's village. Of course, that's assuming dedications as much attention to combat spells as she does to healing.

[deSolAxe]

To tell the truth I can't say I'd like it if Konoka started fighting...

It would be too forced IMO... I mean... she just isn't that kind of character...
I think that image-wise she should be more of a "white mage" - healing, purifying and that kind of things... possibly some buffs...

I don't mean to force her into archetype but Konoka attacking someone would be just wrong...

[Mekuso]

To tell the truth I can't say I'd like it if Konoka started fighting...

It would be too forced IMO... I mean... she just isn't that kind of character...
I think that image-wise she should be more of a "white mage" - healing, purifying and that kind of things... possibly some buffs...

I don't mean to force her into archetype but Konoka attacking someone would be just wrong...

Actually, that has happened already.

http://i4.mangareader.net/mahou-sensei-negima/224/mahou-sensei-negima-339469.jpg

She does fail, though. And it's a pretty simple spell. At the same time, it shows some battle instinct to instantly attack an enemy once detected.

[Ceipheed]

yeah, but that was more like self-defense rather than proactively going at them like Negi or Kotarou would

[Pronois]

yeah, but that was more like self-defense rather than proactively going at them like Negi or Kotarou would

Well that of course would be forced. It's not like I meant you can make a white mage into the same type like that of a fighter/black mage anyhow. I guess the main point in the end is just for her not to stand idle, close her eyes and go "waah Q.Q" and watch which really hasn't occured. Let me create a makebelief situation here...

"Setsuna and Tsukuyomi are having it all out, so far in the beginning they are evenly matched. Tsukuyomi manages to pull one over on Setsuna (like she did with the stripping Kappa-kun) and pins her to a wall.
With the new-found powers of the Hina-blade she however is stronger than before and manages to keep her pinned down. Tsuku puts her usual rape-face on and tries again to have her way or just simply kill Setsuna in her madness.
Setsuna closes her eyes knowing that she can't dodge this time even with her struggles. However... 'Sagitta Magica Series Lucjs!' Konoka would fire off a spell."

(Of course not able to put a scratch on Tsukuyomi with anything like that, especially in her Evil Super saiy- Tsuku-mode. But still imagine...It still could be able to put her off guard and loosen her grip enough for Secchan to escape for Tsukuyomi's grasp and furthermore put the battle stations on even grounds again. The story continues...)

"She loosens her grip and Setsuna manages to escape. Summoning her new artifact Takemikazuchi finally to combat (which she wasn't using against Tsukuyomi yet) and after some minor discussion between them all, and before the final battle (Enter option A,B,C,D,E).

A. Konoka does http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v31/c280/13.html and gives Setsuna the powerboost she needs.
B. Gives her a possible heal(?) (Which might be hard in the midst of battle though).
C. Both of the Above.
D. She just backs down and the fight continues, and she might still boost Setsuna's blade if something happens in the middle of combat.
E. Unknown factor that we didn't know yet and makes Setsuna even more epic than before.

And so the real battle can finally begin."

If it were to go like this for example Konoka doesn't need to become suddenly some "super-protagonistlevel-character". Just some mild usage that's all. Not some top of the line spells that have the same effect like casting Ultima on a cockroach. :P

[Bludvein]

Can we actually stay on topic please?

There is not even a real spoiler out yet....

[Ceipheed]

and the topic is....? if there are no new spoilers, we can only speculate on what we alrdy have, right?

not that I care much for the current topic, anyway, but I do fail to see where you wish to take this back to.

[Bludvein]

and the topic is....? if there are no new spoilers, we can only speculate on what we alrdy have, right?

not that I care much for the current topic, anyway, but I do fail to see where you wish to take this back to.

How about speculation about the next chapter instead of random things?

Ideally there shouldn't be any discussion in here unless there is spoilers though.

[bebuxe]

How about speculation about the next chapter instead of random things?

Ideally there shouldn't be any discussion in here unless there is spoilers though.

what the blue vein of that guy! hehehe

you can you whatever you like, unless you want to talk about some else not involving the yuri-ish couple. What do you want to talk about? ("Battle stations ready to engage the enemy." "Roger that!") I am wiling to discuss anything you like.

[BlitzProg]

How about speculation about the next chapter instead of random things?

Ideally there shouldn't be any discussion in here unless there is spoilers though.

He is not entirely wrong you know. This thread is really for discussing existing spoilers. Correct me if i'm wrong, but we currently have no spoiler and this mean we'd rather use this thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66802&page=3) to discuss what we currently have and speculate about what might happen next :)

[Ceipheed]

Im not saying he is wrong.

he's completely right. still, I see no special need for him to go out of his way and tell us to stop doing this. hell, all Im interested in from this thread are the spoilers (rather, the RAW chapter), so I don't mind if the discussion stopped, but that doesnt make me want to stop it.

[bebuxe]

I can reference fan made image that might break your eyes if you saw it (about the yuri-ish couple). (hahaha)

I agree with bludvein, what to talk about.... mmmm..... >.<

[FreshPoet]

hey yall, im kinda new to this manga thing but i recently read all of negimas series in just like 2 days and im wondering when chapter 315 will come out. thank you for your answers

[bebuxe]

hehehe, when they come out.... But you are on the right spot to find out if someone uploads a raw though..., which is what we are all waiting on.

[Ceipheed]

which is really weird, actually, considering that Negima should be out in Japan on the 26th. spoilers would be out by now, usually.

well, theres nothing else to do but wait.

[LoneWolfx03]

there are times the japanese wants to surprise us....
maybe something happened to Setsuna that they don't want to show it to us just yet...

[CandidSt4r]

there are times the japanese wants to surprise us....
maybe something happened to Setsuna that they don't want to show it to us just yet...

I think you are just over analyzing. Sometimes the spoilers/raws are late and well, it happens. They will turn up eventually.

[Ceipheed]

and I think some1 is taking ppl too srsly.

anyway, I really wish the RAW was out now but yeah... >_<

[CandidSt4r]

I can't wait for the raw either but it will be out soon I think.

[repme]

negima 315 raw (http://www.manga4lifez.com/raw-downloads/shounen)

[Ultimaniac]

negima 315 raw (http://www.manga4lifez.com/raw-downloads/shounen)

GAAAGH Beat Me To It >_<

Oh well, have another link.

http://mangahead.com/Manga-Raw-Scan/Mahou-Sensei-Negima/Mahou-Sensei-Negima-315-Raw-Scan

[Bloodios]

Ah...at last, Quartum got his ass handed to him by Negi.
Whew...just felt way too good right now. Heck, to have the stuffing beat out of Quartum was expected, but for Negi to finish him off the same way Quartum did Chachamaru was more than I could hope for!

[BlitzProg]

... Negi was nicer : he didn't slice quartum's right arm. :D

[Mekuso]

I really want to know what Tertium says in the end.

But yeah, this was one of the finest piece of ass-kicking we've seen so far in Negima. The fact that Negi didn't take a single hit from neither Sextum nor Quartum worries me somewhat; if he's so powerful now, he shouldn't have too much trouble taking out Tertium later. Afer all, Tertium mentioned that he has never trained, so it would be wierd if he was significally stronger than the newborns.

[RiseAndShine]

That was too short. Akamatsu should have at least made the battle last one more chapter.

[chad001]

Hey, um... I'm not great a science, so could someone clear this up for me? Lightning is conducted right? It means it goes through people right? So how badass does Negi have to be, to make lightning dense enough to to cut a person in half?! I could be wrong though, so if anyone has an answer, pls correct me.

[Shugo8]

Hey, um... I'm not great a science, so could someone clear this up for me? Lightning is conducted right? It means it goes through people right? So how badass does Negi have to be, to make lightning dense enough to to cut a person in half?! I could be wrong though, so if anyone has an answer, pls correct me.

In a way you are correct, but at the same time no, lightning transfers large amounts of energy through a body, causing a rise in pressure, which in terms could make something "burst" just like when a cactus gets struck by lightning, it explodes pretty much. Because the cactus is so dense already, and the added increase in internal pressure causes a rupture.... I'm pretty sure as far as my study of physics and energy go.... Also, if I'm correct, that attack would not technically be possible, due to Quartum not being grounded, or in some way attached to the ground, but eh, whatever, its a book, meant to read and enjoy, not to drag sciences into it.... :p

[chad001]

In a way you are correct, but at the same time no, lightning transfers large amounts of energy through a body, causing a rise in pressure, which in terms could make something "burst" just like when a cactus gets struck by lightning, it explodes pretty much. Because the cactus is so dense already, and the added increase in internal pressure causes a rupture.... I'm pretty sure as far as my study of physics and energy go.... Also, if I'm correct, that attack would not technically be possible, due to Quartum not being grounded, or in some way attached to the ground, but eh, whatever, its a book, meant to read and enjoy, not to drag sciences into it.... :p

That's a good point, rupturing does make sense. Though it goes back into the point of my post which is to point out how BADASS Negi has to be to casually dish out that level of energy. Actually, thinking about this, I think, a cactus "bursts" because of the high water content stored + energy/heat = evaporation, which causes a lot of internal pressure, which causes the rupture... So theoretically, Negi sent enough energy through Quartum(?)'s body to evaporate all, of his blood, or at least the blood in his torso/stomach area, this being a partially children-read series though, of course they can't show the gore that would result.

[bebuxe]

That's a good point, rupturing does make sense. Though it goes back into the point of my post which is to point out how BADASS Negi has to be to casually dish out that level of energy. Actually, thinking about this, I think, a cactus "bursts" because of the high water content stored + energy/heat = evaporation, which causes a lot of internal pressure, which causes the rupture... So theoretically, Negi sent enough energy through Quartum(?)'s body to evaporate all, of his blood, or at least the blood in his torso/stomach area, this being a partially children-read series though, of course they can't show the gore that would result.Sorry but that's not exactly what happen, cause you see the twist on his arm to grind the fist inward, meaning he was aiming for a magical core of the puppet to make that laceration. If not in the second or third punch that intense KE in the skin would have at the least made a skin burst. But no, he decided on doing paralytic shocks to numb his movements (why saliva is drooling). WHat Troubles me is, HOW THE &%^$ did negi go though his barrier? WHat THE *$%^&*() did he do now!

(unless Ken really wanted to haste now, cause its t-minus 15~mins)
(@chad001, remember lightening is plasma control at speeds faster than 3x10^8 m/s, there's no real matter involved (too ineligible to make any real densities like wind or water (also due to force of electronically charged particles being higher than any real active KE in the atmosphere)) IOW, to cut impossible, to force matter to divide itself, not only provable, but done in real life in various methods/techniques) That's why I said negi is evil incarnate after the page where chamaru (sp)lights-out

[Angrinator]

Afer all, Tertium mentioned that he has never trained, so it would be wierd if he was significally stronger than the newborns.

trufax, but real battles also help a person fight better, you know
so i wouldn't write out tertium just yet

and if this absolutely need a pokemon reference, ground beats thunder
:D

[bebuxe]

I concur, cause they stick their feet on the ground! [censored]

[Zibi234]

hmmmm I wonder what if negi somehow is useing "ancient magic" like his mother arika (royal blood awakening).... I mean Arika was punching nagi as she wanted while totaly getting around all nagi's magic barriers...and he was the war hero that defeated life maker...

negi here shows the same stuff... he punches fate(s) as he wants and all their ultimate barriers are instantly geting broken...

maybe the grave master (negi's anccestor) was waiting somehow for negi to start awakening his blood powers... as she appeared right after negi woke up... and did 1hit KO on female fate...(broke all her magic barriers instantly with a single touch)

so I guess negi is getting a hand of useing ancient magic as its a different kind of magic compared to the usual one... only those from vapertia line can use it as they have it in their blood...

[Bludvein]

hmmmm I wonder what if negi somehow is useing "ancient magic" like his mother arika (royal blood awakening).... I mean Arika was punching nagi as she wanted while totaly getting around all nagi's magic barriers...and he was the war hero that defeated life maker...

negi here shows the same stuff... he punches fate(s) as he wants and all their ultimate barriers are instantly geting broken...

maybe the grave master (negi's anccestor) was waiting somehow for negi to start awakening his blood powers... as she appeared right after negi woke up... and did 1hit KO on female fate...(broke all her magic barriers instantly with a single touch)

so I guess negi is getting a hand of useing ancient magic as its a different kind of magic compared to the usual one... only those from vapertia line can use it as they have it in their blood...

I seriously doubt that. Its more like Negi has perfected his barrier breaking technique that he displayed earlier after analyzing Dynamis's barrier.

I'm not averse to seeing the so called royal magic, but it doesn't sound like something that Negi would be able to use without any training whatsoever. Not to mention there is no way in hell something like that would happen without some sort of surprise on Negi's part.

We aren't even sure if "royal magic" is a special ability possessed by the Vespertania(sp?) line, or if it is a ability anyone could learn. It might just be a closely guarded skill taught only to the royal family. If that's the case, either Negi's mom would have to show up and teach him, or some other thought-dead member of the royal family. Perhaps the grave keeper would know of it.

[bebuxe]

That's funny that you mention that about the bloodlines, 'cause in page 14 for that left panel in the middle, he does look like his mom. Wonder if Ken's assistants accidentally drew the wrong eye width ratio for his face. But no, everyone knows he just used the sei style of kung fu in that fight. But remind me, when did Nagi use high dense barriers?

But he is right about the magic of the ancients:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v30/c270/10.html

[Astray]

cnet Translation!
http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/27432

[Mekuso]

Arika punching Nagi is the same as Chiu slapping Negi. It's all on TV Tropes. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArmorPiercingSlap
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MegatonPunch
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mundangerous

[bamf]

Just read the scan. I am getting the feeling that Negima is going to be ending *very* soon. "This battle will decide the world."

How can you possibly build another arc after that?

All the same, I would really like to see Kotarou and Setsuna's backstories, and see them resolve issues with their tribes. But Negi is now just as powerful as his father was...three or more years younger than Nagi was when he fought in the war.

[bebuxe]

really? What about finding dada and mama, and maybe even becoming magister? (both of his life purposes, without them he could not even resurrect from his petrification.)

Period, much more to go with.... And remember, this is Ken's new master piece. I doubt he wants to finish this early with out having said much to his audiences.

[Ceipheed]

agreed. Negima is far from over. even if he defeated Fate, he still needs to find his father and find out what happened to his mother and there's all sort of plot twist that can come about.

as for Negi being as strong as his dad, well... we haven't seen much of Nagi in REAL action, so its hard to tell. I doubt he is anywhere as strong as him yet.

for example: when he was training with fake-Eva in order to control his Magia Erebea, it was only after getting it under control that he managed to hit her. the fight ended right there, but we don't know how much could fake-Eva really have fought after taking that hit (assuming of course, that the scroll wasnt about to run out of energy) and there is the fact that fake-Eva is several times weaker than the real one, which is in turn as strong as/weaker than Nagi.

even if Magia Erebea was supposed to be a shortcut and all, I just refuse to believe that the war hero Nagi could be caught up with so easily.

[obkung]

I do agree that Negi catch up to Nagi when he fought the war 20 years ago but still not on par with current Nagi yet

[Ceipheed]

here is how I see this.

Nagi, as a brat, fought Rakan to a standstill during the war. now, assuming Rakan didn't get any stronger during the peaceful times after the war, for Negi to be as strong as Nagi, Negi would need to fight on par with Rakan with his own power. during the tournament fight, not only did Negi trick Rakan and used his power against him, the Pactio he made with the princess also serves as a basic buff (remember the basic of pactio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pactio#Overview)). my point being that Negi might be clever enough to beat Rakan, but do remember that he didnt do it with his power alone (which reminds me, the Hama no Tsurugi against all his beams and stuff too)

[Evil Mind]

here is how I see this.

Nagi, as a brat, fought Rakan to a standstill during the war. now, assuming Rakan didn't get any stronger during the peaceful times after the war, for Negi to be as strong as Nagi, Negi would need to fight on par with Rakan with his own power. during the tournament fight, not only did Negi trick Rakan and used his power against him, the Pactio he made with the princess also serves as a basic buff (remember the basic of pactio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pactio#Overview)). my point being that Negi might be clever enough to beat Rakan, but do remember that he didnt do it with his power alone (which reminds me, the Hama no Tsurugi against all his beams and stuff too)

I so disagree. Being clever is not one of Negi's powers? His pacto isn't his own power but there was no problem that Rakan had and used one too? Negi won.. err tied that fight thanks to his own talents even if that talent isn't pure power it's his all the same.

[chaosprophettk]

I so disagree. Being clever is not one of Negi's powers? His pacto isn't his own power but there was no problem that Rakan had and used one too? Negi won.. err tied that fight thanks to his own talents even if that talent isn't pure power it's his all the same.

But Rakan didn't go all out from the beginning. Considering how he fights later on that match, he could have easily beaten negi before he could even cast an Thousand Thunders to absorb. Also magic power coming from the pactio, plus the pactio artifact made him get a great advantage with asuna's sword. And those are no more. In a fight against Rakan where none of the two hold back their attacks in fear of killing the other (which is worse for rakan, as while negi had a hard time to get the power to be able to hurt him, many of Rakan energy attacks could pulverize Negi if hit) Rakan should be able to win easily (maybe not as much now with negi current power up). And even the decisive move he used against Rakan (absorbing his power), is probably an oneshot thing, as he wouldn't be able to make Rakan fall for it anymore.

[Evil Mind]

But Rakan didn't go all out from the beginning.

Just to be clear I wasn't disagreeing over "Negi = Nagi", just with what should be counted as Negi's powers. I bet I gave the wrong impression that's my bad.

In the fight Negi vs Rakan there are a lot of factors that could change the result, I know this.

[bebuxe]

you're ok, evil mind

But what I am most surprised is that people may have mistaken by what i meant that one of Negi's wishes/convictions is to be come a magister. Power alone is not the deciding factor to become a magister (actually considering Nagi, power is not a factor at all).

But yeah, we all agree, this arc is an incredible development into the story, and we are all wandering how will Ken play it smoothly (if not) to incorporate all these new factors (if he will take his time to plot it perfectly, which is in my highest hope for this fun series). Right, holding our fingers crossed?

And considering my first paragraph's implication of tactfulness, would you not agree Rakan parring with Negi did not use it 100%? (a possible indicator of negi's level of progression as a magister, like evil mind was trying to remind?)

[Evil Mind]

Well as to the question will Negima end soon.... No. Hell no, not till Ayaka gets a pacto, I won't allow it. Plus the whole father deal and the rest of the class, just too soon.

[Ceipheed]

lol Ayaka would never get a pactio. she'd die from a nosebleed at the suggestion.

anyway, I do agree that Negi's intellect can't be excluded from his strength, but the argument I was going for was raw unadultered power.

either way, here's to hoping for a long long Negima ^^

also, dont u guys think the raw is a lil late this week as well?

[RiseAndShine]

Dammit. Why is Akamatsu delaying Ayaka's pactio so much. She is one of the best characters in the manga. I would sooo love to have an onee-sama like her.

[Ceipheed]

an onee-sama whos all hot and perverted for you and happens to be hot as fsk? who wouldnt

[Evil Mind]

Ceipheed I agree Negi isn't the strongest in magical or physical power it's not in his character, sure he is in the upper rankings I think. Negi is the type to use less for more so to speak.

The story has a lot to cover still and many unanswered question. I enjoy it each weekly (when I can get it, curse those monthly breaks) release, though this part is running a little long for me. I miss the school and look forward to Negi uncovering more about his father and the past.

[doggygirl_10]

lol Ayaka would never get a pactio. she'd die from a nosebleed at the suggestion.

also, dont u guys think the raw is a lil late this week as well?

I don't believe truer words have ever been spoken. XD

I was kind of thinking it was late as well, but I haven't really been following raws on this series for very long so I wasn't sure...
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I haven't really been following the thread, so at at the risk of sounding off-topic:

Negi just cut the guy in half. Wow. I didn't think Negi would be that brutal. But then again, he's pretty tough. XD I'm still a bit confused over the two fates that are fighting around Nodoka, Makie, and company. I just can't keep them strait for some odd reason, and I'm not really clear as to *why* they are fighting. But ah well, I bet it will make more sense in the next chapter. :D

[bebuxe]

did someone really delete my post here?

Cool, if such is the case. I also wanted to know if they archived my previous edits as well. ;D


To add to discussion (which might be pretty unnecessary now since the raw came out):

Will Nodoka do magic to get the key now?