Reborn 323 Discussion/ 324 Predictions

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[Benedetti]

Spoilers from KL

Dream - Fake or Truthより

教えて この世界は　なんのために　在るのか
答えなんかない　問題はいつも霧のようだ

...

ひとつのこのからだに あふれるほどの感情(キモチ)
引き裂かれてゆく たくさんの自分という他人に


2ch より
ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2011/01/26(水) 15:33:43 ID:5zXgdV8zP
じゅんい：15/20
名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2011/01/28(金) 00:04:59 ID:dFL58msG0
なぜみんな嘘バレを書くんだ

雲雀「おっぱいおっぱい」
鈴木「なめるなっ！」
雲雀「おっぱいおっぱい」
鈴木「クッ」
雲雀「おっぱいおっぱいおっぱい」
獄寺「おっぱいおっぱいおっぱい」
ツナ「お、おっぱい・・・」
すずき「もーやめてよー／／／」

名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2011/01/28(金) 00:05:28 ID:/ZokCSjc0
続き

（中略）

雲雀が猛攻するもダイヤモンドキャッスルはほとんど傷つかず
氷人形は無限増殖する
雲雀、さすがに体力が削られてくる、が、しかし
雲雀「一つ、君は勘違いしているよ
　　　小動物は、時として弱いばかりの生き物ではない
　　　でなくちゃ地球上の小動物はとっくに絶滅しているよ
　　　小動物には小動物の、生き延び方があるのさ」

で出てきたのが小動物のロール

名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2011/01/28(金) 00:13:31 ID:/ZokCSjc0
嘘バレ吹いたw
続き

雲雀「君の自慢のこの城は、外からのどんな炎攻撃も弾くようだけど
　　　内　側　か　ら　の　攻　撃　には耐えられるのかな？」

ダイヤモンドキャッスルにひびが入り始める
獄寺「そうか！！撃ち込んだハリネズミの破片が増殖して膨張を！！」
アーデル「バカなっ
　　　　　内側からなど！！」

で、ダイヤモンドキャッスル崩れ落ちる
雲雀、アーデルハイトにトンファーを突き付けながら「終わりだよ」　

名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2011/01/28(金) 00:23:10 ID:/ZokCSjc0
>>609ナイスw

これが最後

アーデル「だが炎真が必ずやシモンを再興する
　　　　　ボンゴレについたことを後悔することになるだろう」
雲雀「僕はどちらにもついていない
　　　僕のやりたいようにやるだけだ」
アーデル「まさに何ものにもとらわれることのない浮雲だな…
　　　　　結局ボンゴレ大空の雲の守護者というわけか…」
雲雀「その言われ方嫌いだな…
　　　まあ…たしかに
　　　空があると、雲は自由に浮いていられるけどね」
意味深なツナの表情
雲雀「でも、いずれ、大空でさえ
　　　噛み殺す」
アーデルハイトの粛清腕章破って終わり

ところで、お前らどんだけおっぱいに飢えてるんだw

名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2011/01/28(金) 00:38:04 ID:/ZokCSjc0
これ忘れてたw
「ラーメンと同じくらい急にお好み焼きが食べたくなる時があります！
　買ってきます！」

[kopite]

Spoilers from KL

Dream - Fake or Truthより

教えて この世界は　なんのために　在るのか
答えなんかない　問題はいつも霧のようだ

...

ひとつのこのからだに あふれるほどの感情(キモチ)
引き裂かれてゆく たくさんの自分という他人に


2ch より
ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2011/01/26(水) 15:33:43 ID:5zXgdV8zP
じゅんい：15/20
名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2011/01/28(金) 00:04:59 ID:dFL58msG0
なぜみんな嘘バレを書くんだ

雲雀「おっぱいおっぱい」
鈴木「なめるなっ！」
雲雀「おっぱいおっぱい」
鈴木「クッ」
雲雀「おっぱいおっぱいおっぱい」
獄寺「おっぱいおっぱいおっぱい」
ツナ「お、おっぱい・・・」
すずき「もーやめてよー／／／」

名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2011/01/28(金) 00:05:28 ID:/ZokCSjc0
続き

（中略）

雲雀が猛攻するもダイヤモンドキャッスルはほとんど傷つかず
氷人形は無限増殖する
雲雀、さすがに体力が削られてくる、が、しかし
雲雀「一つ、君は勘違いしているよ
　　　小動物は、時として弱いばかりの生き物ではない
　　　でなくちゃ地球上の小動物はとっくに絶滅しているよ
　　　小動物には小動物の、生き延び方があるのさ」

で出てきたのが小動物のロール

名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2011/01/28(金) 00:13:31 ID:/ZokCSjc0
嘘バレ吹いたw
続き

雲雀「君の自慢のこの城は、外からのどんな炎攻撃も弾くようだけど
　　　内　側　か　ら　の　攻　撃　には耐えられるのかな？」

ダイヤモンドキャッスルにひびが入り始める
獄寺「そうか！！撃ち込んだハリネズミの破片が増殖して膨張を！！」
アーデル「バカなっ
　　　　　内側からなど！！」

で、ダイヤモンドキャッスル崩れ落ちる
雲雀、アーデルハイトにトンファーを突き付けながら「終わりだよ」　

名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2011/01/28(金) 00:23:10 ID:/ZokCSjc0
>>609ナイスw

これが最後

アーデル「だが炎真が必ずやシモンを再興する
　　　　　ボンゴレについたことを後悔することになるだろう」
雲雀「僕はどちらにもついていない
　　　僕のやりたいようにやるだけだ」
アーデル「まさに何ものにもとらわれることのない浮雲だな…
　　　　　結局ボンゴレ大空の雲の守護者というわけか…」
雲雀「その言われ方嫌いだな…
　　　まあ…たしかに
　　　空があると、雲は自由に浮いていられるけどね」
意味深なツナの表情
雲雀「でも、いずれ、大空でさえ
　　　噛み殺す」
アーデルハイトの粛清腕章破って終わり

ところで、お前らどんだけおっぱいに飢えてるんだw

名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2011/01/28(金) 00:38:04 ID:/ZokCSjc0
これ忘れてたw
「ラーメンと同じくらい急にお好み焼きが食べたくなる時があります！
　買ってきます！」


seems like hibari got aldeheid armband

[eclipse12]

Like we all didn't see that from happening. I also want to see what the last two flames are of the flames of the earth. Julie Desert flame

[Zatono]

Well, so much for Adelheid being the "Goddess of Victory" or w/e. Haven't we all learned by now if that if you mess with Hibari, you're getting wrecked? If the Shimon knew so much about the Vongola, they woulda tried to be friends with the 10th generation.

Although I assumed it would have happened had freaking I-Pin not screwed things over.

[pumpkin_so77]

Oh ho ho. This is my first time posting after following MH for almost a year and I sincerely thank everybody who contributes each week.
For now back to topic! I have attempted to translate the above spoilers. (Please forgive any mistranslations).

(Original Spoilers by ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E
Translation by G.//)


Hiba furiously attacks Adel's Crystal Castle and damages it really badly.
The Blizzard-driods keep multiplying.
As expected, Hibari's cuts with his strength... well, maybe.

Hibari: "Firstly, you are mistaken. Small animals are not always weak creatures. Otherwise all the small creatures on earth would already be extinct. The small animals that exist now are those who have survived (It is the survival of the fittest). You take pride in your castle which you claim to withstand any attacks from the outside. But is the castle safe from attacks from the inside?"

Cracks being to form on the Diamond Castle.
Goku:"I see! The cracks are caused by the expansion of the hedgehogs which were thrown into the castle."
Adel: "Dammit! An attack from the inside!"

The Diamond Castle collapses. Hibari ends the fight with Adel with a swing of his tonfas.

Adel: "The true flames of the Shimon will be revived. You will regret that you are part of the Vongola."
Hiba:"I do not associate myself with them. I do whatever I want."
Adel:"You are truly a drifting cloud that can never be caught. In the end, you are truly the Vongola Cloud Guardian."
Hiba:"Hnn, I don't like the way you said that. But certainly, there is the sky, and the clouds are floating freely in it."

Tsuna's face looks like as if he understood something.

Hiba:"But...even the sky will be bitten to death."
==Adel and Hiba's fight for armbands ends.==


Discussion:
No offense, but this Hibari win was clearly expected. The fight is way too short. Give us more character and story development please Amano sensei. Adel's powers don't seem to be as powerful as she claims - yet to be verified when manga comes out.
But atleast Hibari kicked some sense into Tsuna.
And I lol-ed at Hibari's last comment: "even the sky will be bitten to death." (typical Hibari).

(P.s. How do I make a tabby thing to hide the spoiler??:s Sorry kinda new at this, but I've seriously read all the instructions!!)

[wulfy]

hibari won by throwing da hedghog in n attacking from the inner part of the castle

edit:
oops someone just posted da translation....


hibari's chapter is already longer then the other ones O.o
others r about 3-4 chapter
while his chapter is like 5-6.......

[Oni_James]

Thanks for the translation^^

(P.s. How do I make a tabby thing to hide the spoiler??:s Sorry kinda new at this, but I've seriously read all the instructions!!)
To put some text in "spoiler mode" write (with both words closed by '[' ']', it's just so that it doesn't activate the code):
In this case:
Insert text here[/SPOILER
It'll look something like this:
[SPOILER="323 spoiler translation"]Insert text here
the ="text" part is to show the text that indicates what the spoiler tags are hiding

[-Ken-]

Chapter's out on mangastream.

Awesome quote at the end of the chapter, no, not the biting sky part.

[matzik1212]

finally i get to see adelheid's face as her pride is shattered :XD...i always thought that she was all talk and nothing else after all , all she did was just surround herself with that castle and let the dirty job to her puppets. ...and man i really hated her confidence and not only hers but also the others shimon....hibari was amazing this chapter and did a pretty good job finding the castle's weakness and i was pretty touched by his words about the sky that allows the cloud to move freely :) but 'cause he's hibari of course he had to end it in such a manner LOL ...so he's giving tsuna an warning it seems ;)

[hybrid62]

I never saw hibari take her armband yet so he can still lose

[Benedetti]

I never saw hibari take her armband yet so he can still lose

That's what I was going to say.. In all previous battles, the losers were declared right after the winner managed to do what his goal was.. don't know why this one would be an exception.

[moonueki21]

Adelheid's a great fighter but then again. she just chose that way of fighting to survive better and to conserve her energy... she still have some things to do...
she's right about her diamond but the hedgehogs inside are just a surprise for her...
she might still win if not for them...

[sarutobi_sensei]

And Hibari is just plain awesome! Hehe, it's the Sky that lets the cloud float aloof, but one day I'll bite up the sky.

XD He still wants to fight Tsuna xD

Damn awesome battle.

Wonder if he actually won or not, since we didn't see Vindice appearing, I'm thinking that he didn't. But this could be of course a way for the author to keep us expectant :D

[hybrid62]

i think spade will do something to make him drop his guard and adelheid will end up taking his armband.....hibari needed to grab the armband instead of talking.

[natli]

I really like this new version of Hibari. In those last few chapters I've been converted from sarcastic indifference to moderate fangirling. He addmitted it's Tsuna that gives him his freedom! This is awesome :)

[XxVongolaPrimaxX]

im in love with the new hibari
but seriously i thought he was going to loose
because things were looking too good for the vongola
i mean you dont go from being pummeled into THAT in a few days
but still it was soo epic and awesome=D!!! NOW IM GUESSING THE REAL FIGHT IS GOING TO BEGIN
oh man watch chrome be the biggest threat lool

[Divinenega]

Hmm...the fight itself was...okay. At least Hibari was pushed to the point of exhaustion, which was frankly better than Gola Mosca's miserable failure, so I suppose I can;t count this as a complete curbstomping. I do wonder what will happen now though. The only remaining Shimon members are Julie, Kaoru and Enma. Enma's obviously going to be saved for last, and Julie's manipulating everyone, so I doubt he'll be found out just yet. Which means the next fight is Kaoru's...bring on the Yamamoto Deus Ex Machina comeback!(We all know it'll happen)


On a random note, that last line in the chapter gave me some bad vibes...

I now have the feeling that Hibari's going to be tempted to betray the Vongola at some point(probably not this arc), and it doesn't help that he's not really attached to the gang, to begin with...

[street_san]

I now have the feeling that Hibari's going to be tempted to betray the Vongola at some point(probably not this arc), and it doesn't help that he's not really attached to the gang, to begin with...

It's not that he will betray them, it's just that Hibari wants to prove himself as the stronger fighter, and that he knows that Tsuna is going to be an extremely great fighter.

I think that it will be in this arc that he will acknowledge Tsuna the same way he acknowledge him in the future arc.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Btw the Deus Ex MAchina comeback of Yamamoto is not a DEM return. Don't forget who is there with him, healing him.

And don't forget that Byakuran now is part of Vongola.

[elitefox]

http://mangastream.com/read/katekyo_hitman_reborn/12071557/1

Its out and it is awesome XD

So much for Hibari not using his brains when he fights, he just do not tell the readers what he does and what his techniques are.

Hibari's words is really cool, Indirectly speaking, I hope tsuna better got the message

"tsuna is a small animal
small animals aren't weak, if they were, they would have been eradicated already"

- indirectly shows great respect to tsuna and want to fight him on equal grounds meaning a serious tsuna

"It is sky that allows the cloud to float freely"
- indirectly speaking that he enjoys being with the sky(tsuna) around
- because of tsuna, he can enjoy his current life



I want to see the "wtf" face of spade now :D

and I wonder if hibari actually notice him and wanna bring him down
he is mukuro look alike after all, he'll be a good punching bag until mukuro returns

[daman246]

Makes sense now Sky-tsuna,clouds come after-hibari then yamato -rain - gokudera storm - lambo lightning , then sun brightness then mist

[elitefox]

No offense, but this Hibari win was clearly expected. The fight is way too short. Give us more character and story development please Amano sensei. Adel's powers don't seem to be as powerful as she claims - yet to be verified when manga comes out.
But atleast Hibari kicked some sense into Tsuna.
And I lol-ed at Hibari's last comment: "even the sky will be bitten to death." (typical Hibari).

(P.s. How do I make a tabby thing to hide the spoiler??:s Sorry kinda new at this, but I've seriously read all the instructions!!)


As I said in the past, it is not that the enemy of Hibari is weak, it is because Hibari is too powerful.

we can say that
Hibari = kage, alheid = strong jounin, the rest are jounin level or less except enma and tsuna or maybe spade possessing julie too
[hr]

I never saw hibari take her armband yet so he can still lose


This is a battle of pride though, once the other looses his/her pride, he/she already lost as according to the vindice jerks :s

[mbacarra]

I think this arc is more of "proving" that this current family of vongola is deemed worthy of being the true successor. we have daemon as some sort of our "window" to the past and with the flashbacks we get more of an idea as so how things came to be and how it is related to what we have now.

this only means that chrome will be the new mist guardian and not mukuro. i'm predicting that daemon will succeed in taking over mukuro's body and chrome will prove herself worthy so she won't be dependent to mukuro's power.
[hr]

I never saw hibari take her armband yet so he can still lose

actually, he did. you can see the last panel on the last page that adelheid's armband has been torn off.

[To Be Announced]

Here's what I said before the chapter came out:


If the recent one line translation is to be trusted, it seems like the main man Hibari will have won by the end of this chapter. Thank goodness. I'm glad the Shimon family is getting owned. They're just plot armor for:

1) Tsuna's development as a boss (lord knows he needs it), 2) Guardian's development as a "family" unit and not just convenient friends, And 3) solid reason to have a vindice arc.

Nothing more, nothing less. Oh, and 3A) Byakuran's re-introduction to this time...Thanks, Amano. Byakuran was way more scary/better than these kids.

And here's what I say after reading:

Hibari is a beast, whether any of you like it or not...I'm glad he destroyed Adelheid and regardless of what techniques she had, her opponent was Hibari. I'm sure if she went up against someone else they couldn't have taken down the ice barrier (well, maybe Yamamoto).

Also, his last few lines were incredible. Yep. Hibari knows how great Tsuna is...or will be in the near future. Tsuna's growth as a boss allows Hibari to do more of the things he loves to do...fighting.

The last line (IDK why it worried anyone about Hibari betraying Vongola, he will probably end up being one of the most loyal members to Tsuna...like Alaude/The outside advisor) was simply Hibari being Hibari. He's basically saying if Tsuna ever screws up he'll set him back into place.

[just_a_girl]

Oh yes, that was one great chapter! I have to admit that most of the Hibari panels, especially close-ups, were to die for. Liked his reasoning as well -- I think it was all quite in-character. And his swishing cloak? It's too stylish to be true!

The hedgehog is the epitome of cuteness.:D

Adelheid lost, and probably it was to be expected, but she has become rather likeable too. My only complaint is that we didn't get to actually see her fight.

[pumpkin_so77]

Yes!! This means we get to see flashbacks from the Vindice next chapter. I wonder what they will show us.
Adel's character is always so emotional (in a good way?).
On another note, why is Amano sensei using such thick pens??

[lamenguy]

hibari as i expected. not expected from adelheid to lose like this, hibari has to injured her a bit more. if adelheid lose like this, this is more lame than the gokudera defeat p. sh*tt. adeleheid suddenly become crazy attack hibari.

[elitefox]

hibari as i expected. not expected from adelheid to lose like this, hibari has to injured her a bit more. if adelheid lose like this, this is more lame than the gokudera defeat p. sh*tt. adeleheid suddenly become crazy attack hibari.


A kamikaze? lol

do you like beating up girls so much.:blink


Beating them without harming them is the ultimate overpowering stunt you could ever pull rather than giving it all to kill them ;)
Saying that, it also tells alheid that she isn't not even close to hibari's level:p

[lamenguy]

A kamikaze? lol

do you like beating up girls so much.:blink


Beating them without harming them is the ultimate overpowering stunt you could ever pull rather than giving it all to kill them ;)
Saying that, it also tells alheid that she isn't not even close to hibari's level:p
amano give the loophole to make people think adelheid will not give up. she is determined women. she has really good determination like gokudera. hope the fight will not be as lame as gokudera one. gokudera one time boring. i already bored to death. the standard might have dropped.

[-Ken-]

Well, Adelheid's armband is not taken yet right? Hibari can still lose this one, with some underhand tactic.

I hope not, through. Hibari is awesomesauce.

[Hibari™]

As I said in the past, it is not that the enemy of Hibari is weak, it is because Hibari is too powerful.

we can say that
Hibari = kage, alheid = strong jounin, the rest are jounin level or less except enma and tsuna or maybe spade possessing julie too
<hr noshade size="1">



This is a battle of pride though, once the other looses his/her pride, he/she already lost as according to the vindice jerks :s

Yes its battle of pride and her armband is already off her arm , as seen in the last page , then hibari already won , im glad the chapter was so great , hibari's phrasing for his relationship with tsuna was perfect , as his pose while doin it.

[Tias]

Don't think adelheid is gonna win.
I however think that Yamamoto will lose.
Sure, Byakuran is there and is healing him, but i don't expect it to be 100%
I can imagine he heal's him well, but that he's not allowed to over strain his body, which he will of course do.
Cause if not, it seems to much of a one sided fight = /
1 draw, and 3 wins to the Vongola.
It can't be so one sided, i doubt it = /

But on to the chapter. We have to remember how the items/rings are still becoming stronger due to the blood, i don't think it's been 7 days yet. So maybe we will have a few more fights after all the days are over to see them at full power.

[exacta]

Kind of a bittersweet chapter.

It was awesome because Hibari was awesome, but it was lame because Adelheid got owned like a chump. Come to think of it the style of fighting she used against Hibari was also pretty cowardly. I would've been fine if she had something else up her sleeve, but guess she doesn't. In the end she was kneeling before Hibari. Oh well still can't say it wasn't a good chapter. The only fight this arc that was disappointing was Shitt. P's....

Maybe Byakuran will fight Kaoru??? That'd be cool. And is Daemon controlling Julie, or is Julie just a mere disguise he's donning?? I can't tell which is true.,

[street_san]

Kind of a bittersweet chapter.

It was awesome because Hibari was awesome, but it was lame because Adelheid got owned like a chump. Come to think of it the style of fighting she used against Hibari was also pretty cowardly. I would've been fine if she had something else up her sleeve, but guess she doesn't. In the end she was kneeling before Hibari. Oh well still can't say it wasn't a good chapter. The only fight this arc that was disappointing was Shitt. P's....

Maybe Byakuran will fight Kaoru??? That'd be cool. And is Daemon controlling Julie, or is Julie just a mere disguise he's donning?? I can't tell which is true.,

Well come to think of it the winner is decide by the one who'se able to take the armband of the other. Maybe Adelheid had much more up her sleeves, but since she lost her armband, therefore she lost the battle.

And this is what happen in most fights, except Ryohei one. Most of the Shimon members had stamina and strength to fight again, but since they set up the rules and everything, even though they could've continue to fight, they were force to stop and admit defeat.

That's why I think that it will probably in the Vindice arc that will see the true power of the Shimon Family.

[hhv94]

Hibaris awesome as always but this one just had him kick major butt! Can't wait to read the next chapter. :)

[quiet_angel89]

Loved this chapter very much!! I'm now a fan towards Hibari! <3

Now, did Hibari really won against the battle of the armbands? I know he won the fight because he totally overpowered Aldeheid for sure. But the chapter never showed us if Hibari took the Aldeheid's band or not...

My point is: An opponent's armband that's just lying on the ground cannot be considered a win.

[•Sasuke•]

Why so many of you think that the battle between them is not finished?
The rules were ->http://thumbnails31.imagebam.com/11706/2248e6117051830.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/2248e6117051830)

And in the last page of this chapter Adelheid's armband was on the ground.
http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/11706/a15403117051841.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/a15403117051841)
Do you really believe that [to win the battle] Hibari had to pick up the armband?
i think that the fight is already over.

And i agree that he shows to Tsuna the right way to fight.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

exacta
It's not only Adelheid whos style is coward. I'd say that Ryohei's opponent was also a coward.:)


In fact I really liked the chapter. Hibary was awesome as always, especially in his speach. He showed that noone should be understimated (when he was speaking about small animals), he also provoked Adelheid pretty well. Also I like that he showed his attitude towards Tsuna. He really cares for him in his one way.:)

[Melmoth]

Hahaha I knew Hibari would end up comparing Tsuna to the little animals he likes to surround himself with :D It's not a new Hibari, he's just making the mystere clearer so that we reader can understand why he's so much fond of solitude...He does what he consider great and just without submitting to anyone...But you cannot let the world into the hands of careless people, otherwise you'll end up dealing with even more troubles that life has already to offer, and that is why Hibari is always on patrol...and remember how Giotto get involved into the VONGOLA process...

I think Hibari and Tsuna are alike because they both hate struggles/injustices, but while the first one carries a strong caractere that permits him to fear not to take a good care of the deviant buddies that respects not the authority allowing an harmonic society to exist, the second had lost self-confidence, and therefore he is increasing his inward struggle, his inward pain and confusion....But Hibari is a good advisor, and made Tsuna understand that you have to undertake, for yourself and by yourself, the journey of discovery into the process of yourself, in order to understand it. Confidence/Pride comes the moment you understand, not what others say, but your own thoughts and feelings, what is happening in yourself and around you. Without that confidence which comes from knowing your own thoughts, feelings and experiences – their truth, their falseness, their significance, their absurdity - , without knowing that, how can you clear up the whole field of confusion which is yourself? Obviously, without the element of confidence we shall be led astray by every person we come across – and that is exactly what is happening to Tsuna, I hope his head is clear now!

[steelwingcrash1]

Hibari sounds so... noble and proud over being the Cloud Guardian. Definitely amazing. But his last words seem pretty disturbing for me. What does he mean by that?

I have this weird feeling that D. Spade will intervene in Hibari and Tsuna's conversation next chapter. Plus, he might start making his move.

Can't wait for the next chapter.

[lodelco]

Hahaha I knew Hibari would end up comparing Tsuna to the little animals he likes to surround himself with :D It's not a new Hibari, he's just making the mystere clearer so that we reader can understand why he's so much fond of solitude...He does what he consider great and just without submitting to anyone...But you cannot let the world into the hands of careless people, otherwise you'll end up dealing with even more troubles that life has already to offer, and that is why Hibari is always on patrol...and remember how Giotto get involved into the VONGOLA process...

I think Hibari and Tsuna are alike because they both hate struggles/injustices, but while the first one carries a strong caractere that permits him to fear not to take a good care of the deviant buddies that respects not the authority allowing an harmonic society to exist, the second had lost self-confidence, and therefore he is increasing his inward struggle, his inward pain and confusion....But Hibari is a good advisor, and made Tsuna understand that you have to undertake, for yourself and by yourself, the journey of discovery into the process of yourself, in order to understand it. Confidence/Pride comes the moment you understand, not what others say, but your own thoughts and feelings, what is happening in yourself and around you. Without that confidence which comes from knowing your own thoughts, feelings and experiences – their truth, their falseness, their significance, their absurdity - , without knowing that, how can you clear up the whole field of confusion which is yourself? Obviously, without the element of confidence we shall be led astray by every person we come across – and that is exactly what is happening to Tsuna, I hope his head is clear now!

THIS QUOTE! You totally nailed Hibari! Instead of being overcome with the enormity of it all he gets his s*** together and faces everything with confidence.

His confidence is different from Adelheid's though. Adelheid sincerely believes she is strong and Hibari weak, her confidence is based on this. Hibari though, he doesn't care how strong an opponent is because he sincerely believes he CAN AND WILL find a way to beat his opponent. That's his pride isn't it? "I do not surrender out of pride. It is because I do not surrender that I am proud."

...I just realized that Hibari sounds like something Kamina...

Reading this chapter made me realize why Japanese fans have him at #1 (at least I hope that's the reason why). I didn't like Hibari before but I can't help but love him now!:hearts:hearts
[hr]

Hibari sounds so... noble and proud over being the Cloud Guardian. Definitely amazing. But his last words seem pretty disturbing for me. What does he mean by that?

I have this weird feeling that D. Spade will intervene in Hibari and Tsuna's conversation next chapter. Plus, he might start making his move.

Can't wait for the next chapter.

I don't think we should worry, Hibari's definitely a scary guy but he's not a BAD guy. He's probably going to challenge Tsuna at some later point but it's probably fighting for the sake of fighting and not because Hibari has it out for Tsuna.

I wouldn't be surprised if Spade tried something since his so-called Goddess of Victory has been easily defeated. Never mind that the only one to effectively take Hibari down was a Mist user and Spade is the strongest of them all and apparently worse than Mukuro.

[Oni_James]

...I just realized that Hibari sounds like something Kamina...
I think Hibari doesn't have neither the same intentions nor the same FUCKING EPIC charisma as Kamina. 'Kami'na-sama, forgive him for the blasphemy he has just comitted, he probably was confused with Hibari's tricks and nonsense fangirlism.

It's true with these latest chapters Hibari is starting to become a person and not a stupid one-phrase character, but he's way too far away to be compared with people such as Kamina with magnificent ideals, great mottos and deep personalities.

Before this chapter i think we could reduce Hibari's character with 2 phrases: 1 Namimori FTW 2 Kamikorosu
Now he's just ampificating his character to 3 phrases: 1 Namimori FTW 2 Kamikorosu 3 Small animals have their own surviving ways

He may be hot and easy-pairing for the fangirls, he may be badass for the fanboys, but i'm one hell of a Hibari hater that things he's way too simple and plain to be compared with the other characters and even more, stand at the top how he's depicted by the popularity charts.

[steelwingcrash1]

Umm... who is Kamina? Is he a character in KHR? How come the name is not familiar? ^^v

[sarutobi_sensei]

google kamina please. He is like, the most awesome and epic character ever created.

[street_san]

I think Hibari doesn't have neither the same intentions nor the same FUCKING EPIC charisma as Kamina. 'Kami'na-sama, forgive him for the blasphemy he has just comitted, he probably was confused with Hibari's tricks and nonsense fangirlism.

It's true with these latest chapters Hibari is starting to become a person and not a stupid one-phrase character, but he's way too far away to be compared with people such as Kamina with magnificent ideals, great mottos and deep personalities.

Before this chapter i think we could reduce Hibari's character with 2 phrases: 1 Namimori FTW 2 Kamikorosu
Now he's just ampificating his character to 3 phrases: 1 Namimori FTW 2 Kamikorosu 3 Small animals have their own surviving ways

He may be hot and easy-pairing for the fangirls, he may be badass for the fanboys, but i'm one hell of a Hibari hater that things he's way too simple and plain to be compared with the other characters and even more, stand at the top how he's depicted by the popularity charts.

Ok seriously, I think your hate of Hibari blind your eyes to the depth of this character.

Since the future arc, Amano has demonstrate Hibari as someone who has deep respect for Tsuna and the rest of the Vongola Family. I do agree that before that, he didn't have a lot of character development and that he was a little bit to simple of a character, but with the future arc everything change.

When Tsuna was worried because Hibari decided to stay alone to fight the Millefiore soldiers at the Vongola Base, Reborn told him that he (Tsuna) was the reason for Hibari to fight. Since then we knew the respect Hibari had for Tsuna. Even earlier, when Hibari trained Tsuna we knew that deep in his heart he had tremendous respect for him.

I don't know who that Karisma is, but if we have to talk about charisma, then Hibari might be compared to the top people of all manga. Even if Hibari doesn't say a lot of words, every one of his opponents knows that he is not someone to be taken lightly, and when he talks, each one of his words have deep meanings, especially in the latest chapters. And plus, he fights in an elegant way. I don't know what else to say about his charisma who's so obvious.

With the latest chapters we understand why the 10 years old Hibari was like that. Each sentences he was saying proved his respect for Tsuna, as well as amplifying his role as a Cloud Guardian. Just like Dino said once, the first Guardian of the Family didn't want to hook up with the rest, but when his sence of justice (or some like that) is the same as the First, then he would've been the most deadly fighter on Primo side. And this is exactly what Hibari did. He, just like Ryohey, knows exactly what Tsuna pride his, and he totally accept his pride, and thus abide to fight for Tsuna's side.

Soo saying that now his sentences are limited to 3 are kind of exagerrate. Thanks to the latest arc and chapters, we are now able to know a lot more of Hibari, and in all honesty, there is no one who can say that he is not an epic character, with some flaws, like everyone, but still an epic character (in an epic manga no ? :P)

[Oni_James]

I don't know who that Karisma is, but if we have to talk about charisma, then Hibari might be compared to the top people of all manga. Even if Hibari doesn't say a lot of words, every one of his opponents knows that he is not someone to be taken lightly, and when he talks, each one of his words have deep meanings, especially in the latest chapters. And plus, he fights in an elegant way. I don't know what else to say about his charisma who's so obvious.
Kamina is one character from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, the leader of the Gurren-dan. It's true i was kinda blinded by the hate in the moment i posted, and i didn't use the right words to say what i meant. By charisma i was kinda trying to put that I don't think Hibari may be that friendly to be treated as a leader of some kind of organisation (aside from being the leader of Namimori Fuuki).


With the latest chapters we understand why the 10 years old Hibari was like that. Each sentences he was saying proved his respect for Tsuna, as well as amplifying his role as a Cloud Guardian. Just like Dino said once, the first Guardian of the Family didn't want to hook up with the rest, but when his sence of justice (or some like that) is the same as the First, then he would've been the most deadly fighter on Primo side. And this is exactly what Hibari did. He, just like Ryohei, knows exactly what Tsuna pride his, and he totally accept his pride, and thus abide to fight for Tsuna's side.

Soo saying that now his sentences are limited to 3 are kind of exagerrate. Thanks to the latest arc and chapters, we are now able to know a lot more of Hibari, and in all honesty, there is no one who can say that he is not an epic character, with some flaws, like everyone, but still an epic character (in an epic manga no ? :P)
Hibari is epic and i like the fact he is starting to look like his TYL self, i think more like Alaudi than his TYL self. It's nice to see he doesn't always express the same emotions as he did in the first chapters and nearly until the Mukuro/Varia arc.
Nevertheless, since the future arc (and since he reigns popularity polls instead of Tsuna or Mukuro) he's being referred (and also treated) as the Strongest Guardian. That is helping him hype his power till the top and have longer and better battles than most of the characters (except Tsuna which nearly took all of the battles of future arc himself).

[Crude]

Yeah, to be honest I hate every instance in which Hibari is described as the strongest guardian. I used to loathe him, but after the Future Saga he's become one of my favourites, yet I still hate how much hype he gets in being the strongest guardian. I'd rather the manga wouldn't classify the guardians from strongest to weakest, it just ruins the group's dynamics in my opinion. Why can't they all be close in terms of power, or at least not mention who's strongest or weakest? Or the manga could mix it up a bit, not making Hibari the strongest and Lambo the weakest all the time. It sort of did that at the end of the Future Saga when Ryohei was implied to be the strongest guardian. Oh well, at least Tsuna will always be the most powerful (which could maybe also be considered a bad thing?).

[Rowel]

I actually quite like this arc, as it looks like it's whole purpose is to force Tsuna to realize that it's time to nut up.

Definately my fav part of this chap was Hibari's closing comments about how the sky (tsuna) allows the cloud (hibari) to move freely. I think it shows that he's starting to gain a measure of respect for Tsuna (like TYL Hibari had for TYL Tsuna) and then the "But someday I will even bite the sky itself" was just to show that he's still not there yet lol.

I think that when Tsuna does finally fight Enma he'll win but instead of delivering the finishing blow he'll forfitt and allow himself to be taken to Vindice in order to save everyone (including Enma's family) as he's disappearing Enma will ask him why he's doing it and Tsuna will say something liike "It's what the boss is supposed to do" thus finally growing a pair (and starting the "Vindice rescue" arc)

[To Be Announced]

The people that say Hibari is a simple character thanks to his one liners are the ones who don't understand how complex he is. Is everyone hating on Hibari forgetting TYL Hibari completely? Why the hell do you think he was the ONLY guardian to know the full plans behind what TYL Tsuna wanted to do? Why is there any reason to believe that the current Hibari won't be the same, if not better.

In times of distress like these, Hibari is the most important guardian outside of possibly Yamamoto, but he isn't in it at the moment. Hibari is the one guardian that will set Tsuna straight when he falters instead of babying him like his right hand man (Gokudera) will. Why people can't understand Hibari's importance to the family is mind boggling. What's better is that with this fight he has shown Tsuna in words and through combat that Tsuna (The Sky) is the only person who will allow him to do what he wants, thus, Tsuna is the only person he'll ever show loyalty to.

Kamina is an anime god, though. No denying that. TTGL is a god tier anime, and it was almost perfect barring that ending -_-

Despite that, Kamina and Hibari are two completely different characters. And though they both exude confidence, they are two highly different types.

[liductan]

As expected from this chapter, hibari already told tsuna to watch his fight. i used to not like hihari but i always looked foreward to his fights. he truly is an epic character but daamnn i didn't expect him to win so easily like every other opponent because he overpowers them. what strikes me, is why is this going so easy for the vongolas? this looks like something terrrible is going to happen. spade is going to be surprise but i also think he will slide it off like it's nothing becasue he still has other plans off his sleeves like enma. i see some plot being twisted along the way, it's just too simple (for me)i guess.

[exacta]

Just thought about it and realized that I shouldn't ve been surprised when Adelheid lost like she did. Most of the time when Hibari has his own fight he curbstomps the enemy. The only time I can think of where that didn't happen is Genkishi, and Mukuro, and both were opponents intended to lose to Tsuna anyway.

I guess Aoba did have a cowardish fighting style at first. But at least he actually tried to attack his opponent, whereas Adelheid froze herself in ice and made 500 clones of herself to do the dirty work for her.

[Zeltrax]

I'm enjoying this arc so far. The bad side is that the fight is too short and that Vongola wins most of the time.
But I guess this arc is setting up the stage for the future Vindice prison break arc.
Tsuna and Enma is going to work together with their families to break out their comrades from vindice or something like that,
anyway Hibari is awesome.

[moonueki21]

Just thought about it and realized that I shouldn't ve been surprised when Adelheid lost like she did. Most of the time when Hibari has his own fight he curbstomps the enemy. The only time I can think of where that didn't happen is Genkishi, and Mukuro, and both were opponents intended to lose to Tsuna anyway.

I guess Aoba did have a cowardish fighting style at first. But at least he actually tried to attack his opponent, whereas Adelheid froze herself in ice and made 500 clones of herself to do the dirty work for her.

I think Adelheid's tactic is not as dirty as you think. Since their battle focuses on the armbands, it is a lot better to get Hibari's armband that way than engaing HIbari in CQB, especially Hibari has new abilities that she did not know about.

[lamenguy]

hibari has went into some type of character developement, yamamoto has to come up another developement. amano has to come up with plot instead of having adelheid to kill hibari, let hibari make adelheid cry.

[Heat Salamance]

Well, I guess we won't know what will happen untill the next chapter. However, I do want to see is what will Daemon do. Will he let his Goddess fall or will he cheat it to a draw? Also, who else thinks Yamamoto's fight will be coming up next? I'm mean, Byakuran appearing at his bedside wasn't there for nothing. Also, I keep thinking he will finally abandon baseball. After all, it was his companionship with a baseball buddy that got him skwered in the stomach... Poor Yama... TT__TT Though, it will be a sad, sad day indeed when Yama gives up baseball...

[just_a_girl]

Also, I keep thinking he will finally abandon baseball.

You think he'll give it up? I actually believe Yamamoto will now definitely keep playing: it'll probably show how he never gives up on his dreams, and fights against all odds, and always wins in the end. That seems more in-character as far as he's concerned.

Also, I wonder if we're going to see moar Byakuran.:tem

[steelwingcrash1]

For Yamamoto to give up his bat will finally mean that he is now officially ready to hold on to his title of the Rain Guardian.

I know it's pretty sad for us to see giving up playing, but it kind of excited me to see him wield up his sword and cling on his pride.

I wonder what pride will Yamamoto tell us, though?

I am pretty sure that Byakuran must have healed Yamamoto in the process, but what other roles will he play for the Vongola?

[lamenguy]

i think amano should give yamamoto the baseball version of the sword after cambio forma + vongola gear.
it must look like kamen rider blade.

[moonueki21]

Hmmm... I think that Yamamoto's fight will be next because it will preserve the more exciting fight of Julie/Mukuro and the revelations that it will reveal that will greatly affect the fight between Enma & Tsuna and also to the succeeding revelations...

Although having Julie/Mukuro fight first will somehow equalize the scores... since the Vongola is now leading with 2W - 0L - 1D (I did not include Hibari's score yet since something unexpected might happen in his fight) and it will make Yamamoto's healing procedure more realistic and chance for a character dev't. It will also give the character a badass moment after a long vacation in the hospital.

[elitefox]

Kamina is one character from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, the leader of the Gurren-dan. It's true i was kinda blinded by the hate in the moment i posted, and i didn't use the right words to say what i meant. By charisma i was kinda trying to put that I don't think Hibari may be that friendly to be treated as a leader of some kind of organisation (aside from being the leader of Namimori Fuuki).


Hibari is epic and i like the fact he is starting to look like his TYL self, i think more like Alaudi than his TYL self. It's nice to see he doesn't always express the same emotions as he did in the first chapters and nearly until the Mukuro/Varia arc.
Nevertheless, since the future arc (and since he reigns popularity polls instead of Tsuna or Mukuro) he's being referred (and also treated) as the Strongest Guardian. That is helping him hype his power till the top and have longer and better battles than most of the characters (except Tsuna which nearly took all of the battles of future arc himself).


So how do you assess Hibari? Does he not prove he is the strongest guardian?

It is not hype, and even now, he is the only guardian who might be able to fight twice or even more in a row ;)
[hr]

Yeah, to be honest I hate every instance in which Hibari is described as the strongest guardian. I used to loathe him, but after the Future Saga he's become one of my favourites, yet I still hate how much hype he gets in being the strongest guardian. I'd rather the manga wouldn't classify the guardians from strongest to weakest, it just ruins the group's dynamics in my opinion. Why can't they all be close in terms of power, or at least not mention who's strongest or weakest? Or the manga could mix it up a bit, not making Hibari the strongest and Lambo the weakest all the time. It sort of did that at the end of the Future Saga when Ryohei was implied to be the strongest guardian. Oh well, at least Tsuna will always be the most powerful (which could maybe also be considered a bad thing?).


Will you like if it is like monotone?

All of them are hibari? Kakashi? Sasuke?
if they are all in the same power, I think it would be the lamest manga created/ even considering it as a story. everybody is not equal, no pun intended. but everybody is unique and will serve a purpose.

If everybody is equal, then the word like strong and weak wouldn't even exist ;)

[steelwingcrash1]

Can't wait for a less-talk-more-action chapter by the end of this week. I hope more things about Byakuran in this period will be unlocked.

Did he or did he not save Yamamoto?
If he did, what miracle did he do?

Next chapter, I think we finally get to see more comparison and relatedness of the Primo and Tenth Family members. Maybe it's not just Primo and Tsuna who have a grandfather/son relationship. Who knows every tenth guardian is actually a predecessor of the first family? LOL



All of them are hibari? Kakashi? Sasuke?
if they are all in the same power, I think it would be the lamest manga created/ even considering it as a story. everybody is not equal, no pun intended. but everybody is unique and will serve a purpose.

If everybody is equal, then the word like strong and weak wouldn't even exist ;)

Sorry, my reply is off-topic. But I really can't help but answer to this thread.

A manga full of Tsunas: I think that would be cool, though? :)
A manga full of Yamamotos: Still cool enough for me. Yamamoto is pretty badass himself. :tem
A manga full of Ryoheis and Squalos: Every page would be dedicated to just shouting with one another. :blink
A manga full of Gokuderas: This manga will be classified as censored due to violent use of language. :blink
A manga full of Lambos: err... :blink
A manga full of Hibaris: The mangaka will have no need for any speech balloon at all, just drawings. Hibari rarely speaks after all.
A manga full of Byakurans: The gayest manga ever. LOL.

[elitefox]

Can't wait for a less-talk-more-action chapter by the end of this week. I hope more things about Byakuran in this period will be unlocked.

Did he or did he not save Yamamoto?
If he did, what miracle did he do?

Next chapter, I think we finally get to see more comparison and relatedness of the Primo and Tenth Family members. Maybe it's not just Primo and Tsuna who have a grandfather/son relationship. Who knows every tenth guardian is actually a predecessor of the first family? LOL



Sorry, my reply is off-topic. But I really can't help but answer to this thread.

A manga full of Tsunas: I think that would be cool, though? :)
A manga full of Yamamotos: Still cool enough for me. Yamamoto is pretty badass himself. :tem
A manga full of Ryoheis and Squalos: Every page would be dedicated to just shouting with one another. :blink
A manga full of Gokuderas: This manga will be classified as censored due to violent use of language. :blink
A manga full of Lambos: err... :blink
A manga full of Hibaris: The mangaka will have no need for any speech balloon at all, just drawings. Hibari rarely speaks after all.
A manga full of Byakurans: The gayest manga ever. LOL.


I guess we do not have same preferences, I just like a manga with characters differ from each other(not all geniuses and not all dorks but a mix and betweens), a chess that is not all queens.

I do not defy your idea. and a manga full of byakurans made me laugh :o

[ghostexiled]

Guys... please try to remain on topic. Any other discussions about Reborn can be moved to the Hangout Thread.

Thanks!