Mihawk, Kuma & Dolflamingo vs Aokiji, Kizaru & Akainu

[DEATHBOTT]

Shuchibukai vs Admirals

Battle takes place in marineford plaza.

sorry, forgot a poll. could a mod please add one. thank you.

[MaiSiaoSiao]

lolol i think the outcome of the battle has been decided even before it starts

[jorped]

i will give this too the admirals but i think it would be very close cuz we have in both side pretty strong guys.

mihawk , kuma and dolflamingo both are very super strong guys, probably the most strongest guys when talking about the Shuchibukai.

Mihawk the best swordsmen with the best and strongest weapon, that guy is a beast. he was even capable of fighting against shanks and based in what we know he seems to have a strenght similar to shanks .

kuma , when talking about the real one , he is really very strong and the same we can say about dolflamingo, althought we havent seen much of him and we know that before he turned a Shuchibukai we had a bounty close to 300 million bery , a very high bounty and i think we can say that he is not going to be a shame and as weak as moria was ( moria had a ammount of bounty close to Dolflamingo)


the other side we have the admirals, no introduction is needed , the most powerfulls guys of the marine, with amazing powers.

I think the admirals would win but i still cant see a away of them being able to protect themselfs of Dolflamingo power

[bittman]

Despite the fact that Kuma has a hax fruit, Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world and Doflamingo automatically wins against anyone I would put him against, the 3 admirals (pre-timeskip) are probably some of the most powerful individuals in the world. Given what we've seen from them, it's hard to vote against them.

I did waver for a moment in voting though. When these match ups are theory-piece'd and I see Doflamingo on one side, it becomes very hard to vote for the other. Because unlike most that just see his Shichibukai status, I see a possible end game to near end game villain.

Funnily enough, Kuma is the weak link of the trio, even though I have high expectations that he could indeed damage a logia. Just feel the reputation and feats of everyone else in this fight far exceeds his.

[Franckie]

Despite the fact that Kuma has a hax fruit, Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world and Doflamingo automatically wins against anyone I would put him against, the 3 admirals (pre-timeskip) are probably some of the most powerful individuals in the world. Given what we've seen from them, it's hard to vote against them.

I did waver for a moment in voting though. When these match ups are theory-piece'd and I see Doflamingo on one side, it becomes very hard to vote for the other. Because unlike most that just see his Shichibukai status, I see a possible end game to near end game villain.

Funnily enough, Kuma is the weak link of the trio, even though I have high expectations that he could indeed damage a logia. Just feel the reputation and feats of everyone else in this fight far exceeds his.

Doflamingo is probably the weak link for the Shichibukai in this match since his ability does not work on Logias.

[so_amazing]

It hasnt been expressly stated that Donflamingo's ability doesnt work on logias. Jozu's ability to transform into diamonds hasnt been clarified as to whether it is paramecia or logia yet. And if his ability didnt work on logias, it still doesnt mean he is the weak link. as far as we know he could be extremely competent in the use of haki(which i think we can safely say he can use, maybe even haoshoku). I get the vibe from the manga that donflamingo may very well be one of the strongests characters in the one piece world.

[jorped]

It hasnt been expressly stated that Donflamingo's ability doesnt work on logias. Jozu's ability to transform into diamonds hasnt been clarified as to whether it is paramecia or logia yet. And if his ability didnt work on logias, it still doesnt mean he is the weak link. as far as we know he could be extremely competent in the use of haki(which i think we can safely say he can use, maybe even haoshoku). I get the vibe from the manga that donflamingo may very well be one of the strongests characters in the one piece world.

couldnt agree more, and also it shows that he is very strong the fact that he was receving orders for someone higher than sengoku

[Anduren]

I was going to say that the location of the battle makes a HUGE difference in this case considering all three admirals are devil fruit users as opposed to only 2 of the Shichibukai. If the battle indeed is taking place in the marineford plaza, the admirals have the upper hand. I also want to add that this is assuming that the Shichibukai are not able to use haki at the same level that the admirals can, if at all.

If only the battle took place on a battleship in the middle of the grand line, I think the Shichibukai would very well win this battle because Akainu's abilities to melt and burn will be highly restricted and his heat, in close quarters will also inhibit Aokiji's ability to use ice.
e.g. Consider this situation:
Mihawk slices the battleship in two and sinks it -> Aokiji freezes the sea to avoid sinking -> Akainu will not be allowed to use magma except in a smaller scale in close combat.

Anyways that would be a different situation. In a marineford plaza battle, the Admirals will almost definitely get the win over the Shichibukai.

[Franckie]

It hasnt been expressly stated that Donflamingo's ability doesnt work on logias.

http://www.mangareader.net/103-41091-8/one-piece/chapter-566.html


Jozu's ability to transform into diamonds hasnt been clarified as to whether it is paramecia or logia yet. And if his ability didnt work on logias, it still doesnt mean he is the weak link. as far as we know he could be extremely competent in the use of haki(which i think we can safely say he can use, maybe even haoshoku). I get the vibe from the manga that donflamingo may very well be one of the strongests characters in the one piece world.

Jozu's diamond fruit has little in common with logias. For example, can Jozu reform himself after taking damage? No, as evidenced by Aokiji freezing an arm.

Doflamingo is not a confirmed Haki-user.

[so_amazing]

http://www.mangareader.net/103-41091-8/one-piece/chapter-566.html



Jozu's diamond fruit has little in common with logias. For example, can Jozu reform himself after taking damage? No, as evidenced by Aokiji freezing an arm.

Doflamingo is not a confirmed Haki-user.


Your posted page doesnt really prove anything, we dont know what kind of attack donflamingo used to cut crocs head off. And i also think that we should keep in mind that donflamingo wasnt really that invested in that fight. He just seemed to do things for no apparent reason than to entertain himself. It also came across to me that he didnt actually intend to hurt croc in that, rather just cut his head as a kinda big way to say 'attention on me'. And as far as logia abilities goes, we should look at what akainu said. even in the world of logia users there is hierachy, one logia can still harm another as we saw when ace was burned by akainu. so jozu can still be frozen by aokiji and still be a logia.

[Franckie]

Your posted page doesnt really prove anything, we dont know what kind of attack donflamingo used to cut crocs head off. And i also think that we should keep in mind that donflamingo wasnt really that invested in that fight. He just seemed to do things for no apparent reason than to entertain himself. It also came across to me that he didnt actually intend to hurt croc in that, rather just cut his head as a kinda big way to say 'attention on me'. And as far as logia abilities goes, we should look at what akainu said. even in the world of logia users there is hierachy, one logia can still harm another as we saw when ace was burned by akainu. so jozu can still be frozen by aokiji and still be a logia.

Doflamingo had identified Croc as an enemy at that time, and he had so far not held back in using deadly force against enemies. He could have made Oz trip, but chose to inflict a serious wound. He could have made that division commander fight with the flat of his blades, but chose to make him fight with full force. There's no reason he would hold back against Croc.

By definition, a logia is a Devil Fruit that is characterized by giving its user the ability to turn into a natural element. Logia users can transform themselves into elements and control or expand their element. Jozu's diamond DF lacks these traits. His transformation is strictly limited to his body. He cannot generate his element as other logias can do and is incapable of reforming himself as other logias can do considering he was unable to reform a severed arm. It's very, very obvious that Jozu's unamed DF is a Paramecia-type.

[jorped]

Doflamingo had identified Croc as an enemy at that time, and he had so far not held back in using deadly force against enemies. He could have made Oz trip, but chose to inflict a serious wound. He could have made that division commander fight with the flat of his blades, but chose to make him fight with full force. There's no reason he would hold back against Croc.

By definition, a logia is a Devil Fruit that is characterized by giving its user the ability to turn into a natural element. Logia users can transform themselves into elements and control or expand their element. Jozu's diamond DF lacks these traits. His transformation is strictly limited to his body. He cannot generate his element as other logias can do and is incapable of reforming himself as other logias can do considering he was unable to reform a severed arm. It's very, very obvious that Jozu's unamed DF is a Paramecia-type.

agree wit the part when you said that jozu df is a paramecia , i also think that that is df type and it also seemes to be pretty obvious.

but i cant agree is with you when you talk about dolflamingo abilities cuz we cant conclude that he wasnt holding back against Croc. dolflamingo until now seeems to be one of the strongest guys , he even received orders for people higher than sengoku, by that we can already get the idea that he is pretty strong and also you guys think that someone like him doesnt know how to use haki??? i kinda think that its almost impossible that he doesnt lol. he looks always so confident even against someone like Croc who is a logia user , so he most likely uses haki

[eefrit]

You guys are forgetting the fact that Crocodile has trained his power to the point where they activate on reflex. For all we know Doflamingo could have been going for the kill or could have just been screwing around the entire time. I'm pretty sure he was screwing around because he approached Crocodile twice with the offer to join him. We've only seen him go all out Oz and that was just a little scene. That being said if he uses haki and has the ability to channel it into his abilities, it is safe to assume that this fight will not be easy for the admirals. No side has a real weak link because each side fight in their own way. For the moment I will choose the Admirals because we have seen them go all out on strong opponents, while we have just seen the 3 Shichibukai go up against weak people. And when they did confront someone strong, the scene changed. We can only go by a few things with the Shichibukai, Doflamino's bounty and apparently high ranking in the world government, Mihawk's former rivalry with Shanks, a Yonkou, and Kuma's bounty, his relationship with the revolutionaries, and his fight with Zoro, which I count as a fight with someone who was weak at the time.

[Realtwisted]

The Admirals got this fight. They got logia and have Haki, which they don't need but the is extra, xD...

[MaiSiaoSiao]

Use Logic!
How can a shicibukai be more powerful then an admiral?!!
If the shicibukai is stronger,then wouldn't the Marine be useless?
then wanting to overthrow the marine wouldn't need a yonkou/revolutionaries.Just sending the shicibukai would suffice?...

[GomuGomu_Getsuga]

Admirals rape. Adding a few more shichibukai may even the odds.

[MonsterEnvy]

Doflamingo's powers don't work on Logia's

Mihawk has not been shown to have haki nor does it seem like he can use it

Kuma could probbley bypass the logia deffences and is the strongest Shichibukai by my views

but the Admirals win this

give the shichibukai Croc and Hancock and we will have a fair fight

[BlackHair]

Use Logic!That's funny, cause I don't get ur logic. Don't vote based on just ranks.


I have voted for the Admirals, just cause Mwk and Flamingo are still not developed. Means their fighting capabilities are still not revealed yet. If its proven that they can use haki, then I would vote for them, but atm the Admirals.

I have huge expectations for Flamingo and Mwk. I guess out of those three I would assume Kuma as the weakest.

[bittman]

Use Logic!
How can a shicibukai be more powerful then an admiral?!!
If the shicibukai is stronger,then wouldn't the Marine be useless?
then wanting to overthrow the marine wouldn't need a yonkou/revolutionaries.Just sending the shicibukai would suffice?...

You do know the reason the Shichibukai exist right? The public statement might be "To scare away other pirates", but really the Shichibukai are like a group of pirates who are potentially enormous threats to the WG who they strike a deal with as soon as possible.

Think about it some more. Luffy has a bounty of 400mil, which is already above all released Shichibukai bounties. I would still not rate him above Doflamingo, Kuma or Mihawk. And I think he would just flat out draw with Jimbei as it stands.

Shichibukai are pirates that struck a deal with the marines to not attack the marines, this does not provide any indication of their strength. If anything, it shows how much of a threat they are.

Crocodile arguement: if you're not sure whether Doflamingo was joking around with Crocodile, he blocked Crocodile's hook with his foot after cutting his head off. Didn't look a bit surprised when his beheading "failed", and suffered no discernable damage despite being very aggressively attacked by Crocodile's tornado chapters earlier.

Doflamingo was messing around with everyone. Sure, as he messed around he did a fair amount of damage, but him "messing around" just means that less people die. If Doflamingo was serious, he would have taken control of someone powerful, not just people that sort of ended up near him (Jozu and Atmos). And if Doflamingo was serious, given how easily he took Oars Jr's leg, he would have just beheaded him.

Just because he was not "serious" doesn't mean he plays nice. He's a bad guy people, not Luffy without some coffee.

[jorped]

You do know the reason the Shichibukai exist right? The public statement might be "To scare away other pirates", but really the Shichibukai are like a group of pirates who are potentially enormous threats to the WG who they strike a deal with as soon as possible.

Think about it some more. Luffy has a bounty of 400mil, which is already above all released Shichibukai bounties. I would still not rate him above Doflamingo, Kuma or Mihawk. And I think he would just flat out draw with Jimbei as it stands.

Shichibukai are pirates that struck a deal with the marines to not attack the marines, this does not provide any indication of their strength. If anything, it shows how much of a threat they are.

Crocodile arguement: if you're not sure whether Doflamingo was joking around with Crocodile, he blocked Crocodile's hook with his foot after cutting his head off. Didn't look a bit surprised when his beheading "failed", and suffered no discernable damage despite being very aggressively attacked by Crocodile's tornado chapters earlier.

Doflamingo was messing around with everyone. Sure, as he messed around he did a fair amount of damage, but him "messing around" just means that less people die. If Doflamingo was serious, he would have taken control of someone powerful, not just people that sort of ended up near him (Jozu and Atmos). And if Doflamingo was serious, given how easily he took Oars Jr's leg, he would have just beheaded him.

Just because he was not "serious" doesn't mean he plays nice. He's a bad guy people, not Luffy without some coffee.

very good post indeed , totally agree with all you said!! :)

and one think that even support this is the fact that doflamingo is very powerfull is the fact that he was receiving orders for someone higher than Sengoku.

[Realtwisted]

We know that doflamingo is very power, the is not something debetable, but he could no kill Croco, s Logia Df user.

[vagabond87]

We know that doflamingo is very power, the is not something debetable, but he could no kill Croco, s Logia Df user.

Akainu either;)
Doflamingo is monster. I hope that he heve some sort of mafia in NW, maby entire crew.
Stayng on topic Admirals take this one. Maby I will change my mind after seeing more from Shichibukais.
For me Mihawk can take out one of the Admirals and his bounty is probably highest in Shichis- thats why we didnt saw it yet.

[MonsterEnvy]

Akainu either;)
Doflamingo is monster. I hope that he heve some sort of mafia in NW, maby entire crew.
Stayng on topic Admirals take this one. Maby I will change my mind after seeing more from Shichibukais.
For me Mihawk can take out one of the Admirals and his bounty is probably highest in Shichis- thats why we didnt saw it yet.

yet he could not take down Crocodile for all we know he does not have a bounty and he does not have haki so he can't beat an admrail

[vagabond87]

yet he could not take down Crocodile for all we know he does not have a bounty and he does not have haki so he can't beat an admrail

You really think that greatest swordsman in the world dont have haki?:eyeroll
Vista is confirmed haki user and for me its confirmation of Mihawks haki.
Haki is unlocked mostly by hardcore training so Mihawk is destined to have it.

[BlackHair]

We know that doflamingo is very power, the is not something debetable, but he could no kill Croco, s Logia Df user.What makes u think he tried to kill Croco in the first place?

He cutting off Croco's head was by any means just to get his attention. Nothing more. Reread the panels, pay attention to Dofla and Croco's facial expression and u will most likely agree with me.



yet he could not take down Crocodile for all we know he does not have a bounty and he does not have haki so he can't beat an admrailI didn't see Mwk fighting with Croco. They were just clashing.

[jorped]

What makes u think he tried to kill Croco in the first place?

He cutting off Croco's head was by any means just to get his attention. Nothing more. Reread the panels, pay attention to Dofla and Croco's facial expression and u will most likely agree with me.

Finally , someone that sees doflamingo action the same way i do!!!!

and about miwauk not using haki , do you guys really think that???? the best swordsmen in the world , dont use haki??? i dont think so , thats very unlikely to me lol

[MonsterEnvy]

Finally , someone that sees doflamingo action the same way i do!!!!

and about miwauk not using haki , do you guys really think that???? the best swordsmen in the world , dont use haki??? i dont think so , thats very unlikely to me lol

it just makes him more badass if he does not use haki he got to the top with just on skill alone

but until it is proven Mihawk can't use haki and neather can Doflamingo

Doflamingo still could not beat Crocodile in their encounter and neather could Miahawk who got told off by Crocodile who could have just used his water draining sables and mummyfied Mihawk

anyway i belive that Kuma is the most powerful shichibukai and i don't think they can beat the admirals maybe if the other shichibukai were at their side they could win but right now nada chance

[Freid]

How would failing to awaken his haki make him more bad ass, when it has been expressly stated that it dwells within every single person on earth. Mihawk being unable to predict an opponents attack, sense enemy location, discern the number of opponents, hit a logia would make him look badass? What manga are you reading? Haki has in fact been connoted as a power reserved for the more powerful individuals, and people that are able to use it are held in high regards because only a minority are able to are able to ever pull it out. That is also why haki use in Kuja Island is famous. It is even reinforced when Helmeppo says that that Coby became a step ahead of him when he awakened his, and it is also a criteria that needs to be met to be a Vice Admiral in the marines. Contrary to what you said, Mihawk would in fact look far less impressive if he was unable to use haki.

[MonsterEnvy]

How would failing to awaken his haki make him more bad ass, when it has been expressly stated that it dwells within every single person on earth. Mihawk being unable to predict an opponents attack, sense enemy location, discern the number of opponents, hit a logia would make him look badass? What manga are you reading? Haki has in fact been connoted as a power reserved for the more powerful individuals, and people that are able to use it are held in high regards because only a minority are able to are able to ever pull it out. That is also why haki use in Kuja Island is famous. It is even reinforced when Helmeppo says that that Coby became a step ahead of him when he awakened his, and it is also a criteria that needs to be met to be a Vice Admiral in the marines. Contrary to what you said, Mihawk would in fact look far less impressive if he was unable to use haki.
he made it to the top on skill alone thats pretty badass

well if he has a haki then i would say its the mantra type as it just seems him

[Freid]

You just said the exact same thing that I just argued against.

[DEATHBOTT]

i would laugh if a random strong guy found a logia friut, grabbed a sword and went and fought mihawk who couldn't use haki........

[Franckie]

but i cant agree is with you when you talk about dolflamingo abilities cuz we cant conclude that he wasnt holding back against Croc. dolflamingo until now seeems to be one of the strongest guys , he even received orders for people higher than sengoku, by that we can already get the idea that he is pretty strong and also you guys think that someone like him doesnt know how to use haki??? i kinda think that its almost impossible that he doesnt lol. he looks always so confident even against someone like Croc who is a logia user , so he most likely uses haki

I am basing Doflamingo on what we currently know. We have an instance where Doflamingo did no damage to Croc and another instance where he opted to bloc Croc's attack with his foot instead of taking control of him. These details are strong circumstantial evidence that Doflamingo's "wires" do not work on logias.

Never said Doflamingo was weak. He dominated two of WB's Captains and Croc failed to inflict any notable damage on him. Sure, maybe he can use Haku. The problem right now is that we have 0 proof that he can, and lack of Haki is a trait many high-tiers fighters (Croc, Kuma, Moria, Ivankov, over half of WB's Captains, etc.) possess.


You really think that greatest swordsman in the world dont have haki?:eyeroll
Vista is confirmed haki user and for me its confirmation of Mihawks haki.
Haki is unlocked mostly by hardcore training so Mihawk is destined to have it.
Zoro is destined to surpass Mihawk and he is showing signs of something other than Haki, Kiki (demonic spirit).

[~Joshua~]

Admirals got this. Too many feats.

[Mad Wanze]

I think the Shichibukais have good chances to win. If Kuma manages to send one of the Admirals on the moon with Enel before he is destroyed by another one, that would make Myhawk and Doflamingo against Kizaru (i don't think Kuma could catch him) and Aokiji/Akainu. Now is pretty sure that Myhawk can use Coa Haki with his slashes, so if Doflamingo blocks one and Mihawk cuts him to bits, that would make Doflamingo and Mihawk against Kizaru (again, Doflamingo can't catch him). Then i think Kizaru would kill Doflamingo, so Kizaru vs Mihawk. Mihawk owns Kizaru in my opinion, as any of Kizaru light attacks would be deflected by Myhawk sword.

[Calisto]

Mihawk is the strongest fighter here, but the Admirals still win.

And obviously Mihawk can use haki, this is just where common sense comes into play.

[xeteboi]

I think the Shichibukais have good chances to win. If Kuma manages to send one of the Admirals on the moon with Enel before he is destroyed by another one, that would make Myhawk and Doflamingo against Kizaru (i don't think Kuma could catch him) and Aokiji/Akainu. Now is pretty sure that Myhawk can use Coa Haki with his slashes, so if Doflamingo blocks one and Mihawk cuts him to bits, that would make Doflamingo and Mihawk against Kizaru (again, Doflamingo can't catch him). Then i think Kizaru would kill Doflamingo, so Kizaru vs Mihawk. Mihawk owns Kizaru in my opinion, as any of Kizaru light attacks would be deflected by Myhawk sword.


You have a good imagination as you stated things but apparently, the Admirals owns this for so many feats and we are not sure about what Doflamingo and Mihawk is capable of with their full fighting abilities. But if you added Blackbeared(after mastering his two DF) instead of Kuma, maybe I would think 10 times before deciding who owns this. Im pretty sure that Mihawk and Doflamingo were a haki users.