Greater influence: Senju Hashirama, Namikaze Minato, or Uchiha Itachi?

[Bromamura]

Which of these characters do you feel have had the greatest influence/importance to the story?

Now while Shodai did not directly influence our two main characters, the actions by which he shaped a more infant stage of the shinobi world was very influential to the courses of future events. It is for this reason that I placed him here amongst the other two for comparison.

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[Suzaku]

Well, if it weren't for Hashirama, everything would be completely different and the main characters might not even exist.

Seems like a no-brainer to me. Might as well add Kishimoto Masashi to that list.

[Bromamura]

Well, if it weren't for Hashirama, everything would be completely different and the main characters might not even exist.

Seems like a no-brainer to me. Might as well add Kishimoto Masashi to that list.

One cannot say that Harashima is more important than the main characters however, for the story does not revolve around him. A major driving force behind the story is also the growth of Naruto and Sauce, this is where the other two candidates come in as they both had much more direct influence in that aspect.

[Alterno]

The story so far is tighly related to the past of Hashirama and Madara, at least if we take everything that have been said about him. Even today the army of clones comes from Hashirama.

There's a lot to be known about him, but so far I think he is the character that have influenced more in this storyline.

[mattiaildivino]

for the manga "naruto" Itachi is the most important of them, he's the most important behind Naruto,Sasuke,Sakura and Kakshi. But for the story IN the manga,I think Hashirama is the one you are saying.

[xAznSinnage]

For the plot/story from our point of view, Itachi is definitely the most influential character. From their point of view, whatever that is, Madara is the most important Chess piece.

[M3J]

Hashirama. He was the one who made Madara do what he's doing right now, and the same person who established the whole hidden village in country system (I think). If it weren't for him, neither Itachi nor Minato would have been in the position they were or would have had such influence that they did.

[insid3rkill3r]

Well obviously, if Hashimara had not existed i mean the whole drama with Madara most-likely wouldnt have been there, so we can say that Hashimara has had a longer influence since it has had an impact for a longer period of time.

Although, i would not say his influence was more crucial than any of the other characters named.

While Hashimara's doing was important, Itachi and Minato's were crucial too.

Without Hashimara, story would not be the same. BUt without both Itachi and Minato, it wouldnt be the same either and far worse, we would be loosing the two most obvious connection to both Sasuke and Naruto's developpement.


Itachi and Minato are equals, both of them established in their own way the same for Naruto and Sasuke.

They are the reason why Sasuke and Naruto will most-likely become the 2 strongest ninja to have seen the day.

I am as strong believer of of the 'Sasuke and Naruto team up against Madara' and them being the ones to bring him down at last, thus bringing peace to the world, and without the sacrifice of Minato and Itachi, this clearly would have never happened.

And since the manga is all about Sasuke and Naruto right now, I'd say that Itachi and Minato's moves are as important or even more than Hashimara's influence since their actions are directly connected to both Sasuke and Naruto's developpement.

Hashimara has had the longest influence, yet Itachi and Minato's are just as important if not more due to their direct connection.

Although, if i had to choose one of them, even their influence was ALL necessary in the manga, i'd have to choose Itachi.

Simply because he's directly connected to both of the main caracters, unlike Hashimara, and because he kept at bay Madara who was on the verge of wiping out the leaf or at least planning on doing, and because not only did his sacrifice protect the village just like Minato did, but also made Sasuke extremely strong which kept Naruto's growth going as well, and because the gift that he gave him might be crucial to Madara's downfall as well as for Sasuke's redemtion.

And because his sacrifice, to me at least, gets the top spot given all the circumstances surrounding it to the very end... (Sorry Minato, you dont have my vote on this!)

[SenninSage]

Minato, easily. He was the one who protected the village from the threat that started this entire manga, that would lead to Naruto being treated the way he was in the village, that would lead to Naruto possessing the Kyuubi, that would lead to Jiraiya's and even Kakashi's interest in Naruto.

That would lead to Akatsuki coming to Konoha looking for the Fourth Hokage's legacy. That would lead to Naruto meeting his mother and father, and to his mastering the Kyuubi's chakra, that would end up leading to Naruto's massive use of the rasengan technique, which just so happens to be influenced from a bijuu's ultimate move.

Minato had a direct encounter with the very man who is now at the helm of this war, Madara. Minato had far more influence, clearly.

[gunsmoke69]

Hashirama and madara started the story but we still havent seen itachis entire role. Now that kabuto has ressurrected him, its most likely that he will meet sasuke in the future and that could change everything. Sasuke has fallen into darkness becuz of madara but itachi cud change him if they meet face to face. I feel this will happen after his fight with naruto so we still cant decide who has had the greatest importance to the story. This is just my opinion

[xAznSinnage]

Itachi's still a big player with an unfinished plot side, even in "death". Therefore, he is the number 1 guy.

[ashher]

Great thread. Really tough choice. I kinda don't like the arguement in favor of hashirama. Following that logic, rikudo senin would be the most influencing person. Minato has played a fantastic role in shaping up naruto, and naruto-tobi build up. However itachi is winner for me. He has influenced both sasuke and naruto and shaped up naruto-sasuke relation.

[zimbardo]

As far as I see it, it has to be Hashirama.
Sure, without Itachi or Minato - Sasuke and Naruto would not be in the situations they are in now.

However without Hashirama:
1/ Madara would not have been opposed for Hokageship (if Konoha would have even been formed)
-therefore less chance of a Uchiha rebellion
-therefore no chance of Itachi having to kill of his clan
-therefore no Sasuke hatred related activity...
2/ Madara wouldn't have had his hatred for Konoha
-therefore no attack with the 9 tails
-therefore no Minato having to re-seal the 9 tails in Naruto and also sacrifice himself in the process
3/ Madara wouldn't have the Rinnengan
-therefore no Pain
-therefore no Akatsuki
-therefore no 4th ninja war (or at least less chance of one)
...

Sure, if you remove Minato then there is no Naruto, and Konoha could have been destroyed by Tobi and the 9 tails
And if you remove Itachi, then there would be no evil Sasuke, and the Uchiha revolt would have (probably) happened.

However
Minato's and Itachi's predicaments were caused (or led up to) by the whole Madara Hashirama feud. Without Hashirama there could not have been a feud, and therefore it is unlikely that events would have played out in the way that they did - therefore the situations would most likely have been different - and therefore it is fair to say that Itachi and Minato's lives would have been significantly different and their roles in the grand scheme of things may not have been as dramatic.

[M3J]

Following that logic, rikudo senin would be the most influencing person.

The difference is that the topic has to do with Hashi, Minato, and Itachi, not Rikudou Sennin, otherwise as you've said, Rikudou Sennin would get the most votes. Though to be fair, we can just say Rikudou Sennin's parents had the most influence since they did create Rikudou Sennin. <_<

Sorry.


Anyway, Hashirama's actions were what compelled Madara/Tobi to do what he's doing as of now and what made Minato and Itachi have quite a bit of influence. Though if Madara was included, I'd definitely vote for him over Hashirama. :s

[Murdock]

Minato he is affecting whole story even when he is long gone ... we still don't know what happens when madara get to know that half of the kyuubi is gone ... can juubi be still revived?

and Minato basically made what naruto is now he shaped his future his actions everything ... to me it's no brainer

[Franckie]

Out of the 3 options, Itachi is #1 because he is most responsible for the mess Sasuke is right now and the key for two of Sasuke's final power-ups.

As for the character who has the greatest influence on the shinobi world, it'd be the Rikudou Sennin. Centuries have passed his death, yet his impact is still felt all over the world. He created the 9 bijuu, fashioned the moon that imprisons the Juubi's body, sired a lineage that has produced some of history's most notable shinobi, and is the most powerful ninja who ever lived. Most important, however, is the fact he created ninjutsu. This manga you are reading? It is thanks to the Rinnegan (Kishi's eyes).

[peleihno]

Well Minato's influence it great, since he is the one who made our story's hero a jinchurriki and saved his life. In regards to Itachi, well anyone can figure that out. Hashirama was the one to really start the "Will of Fire", co-founded Konoha; forgot to make sure Madara, the current world's greatest threat, was truly dead.
To the current plot, one could say Itachi due to Sasuke and the threat he is.

[Rikudou King]

I want to say Madara, But with the options available I would say Hashirama. He was the one that help form the current ninja system and passed out the bijuus as future tools of war, Which began the whole cycle of wars leading to the current one. It was him being voted in that pushed Madara off the deep end and partly help in his current plans, As it was Hashirama's mokuton that help create Madara's army. It was with him that Madara lost the Kyuubi, Where it ended up being sealed in Kushina made her a target for Madara and where her and Minato died while making Naruto the new Jinchuuriki. That was also the point where Madara had the Kyuubi attack the village, Thus planting the seeds that would later cause the Uchiha planning a coup and their massacre, The key to Itachi and Sasuke. Hashirama's past actions partnered with Madara have had an effect on everything that has and is happening.

[Delbi]

All three have had tremendous influence on the manga in different ways. Hashirama's influence is greater than Minato and Itachi's simply because he was around before they were.

In terms of character developement, Itachi has influenced our main characters more than perhaps any character in the manga. No other characters words resonate more than Itachi's in my opinion. Call me a fanboy, but whenever he's in the manga it's just better because of Kishi's characterization of him.

[insid3rkill3r]

Like i said, it's easier to say hashimara has had the influence since he came way before either of those, and that w/o him, nothing would be the same.

But it is the same for both Itachi and Minato too.

Without either of them, story wouldnt be the same, so because, id say its better to judge on how much they affected our characters more than anything else.

While Hashimara influence both Sasuke and Naruto in his way, he has not influenced Sasuke and Naruto as much as Itachi and Minato did.

If i had to choose someone out of the three. i'd go with Itachi. Because he has directly and greatly influenced both the main characters of the story. He is directly connected to both and still has more to show us in the near future.

But yeah, Hashimara's influence has been active for a longer period of time, but to me at least, both Itachi and Minato's influence has created directly the path that both our MAIN characters are now walking on, no one other than Itachi and Minato can get any more credit than both of them for turning Sasuke and Naruto into who they are today.

But again, since people want us to choose one of them, my vote goes to Itachi.

[Rikudou King]

That's why I chose Hashirama, Because while he hasn't had as great a direct influence as Minato and Itachi have had, He's has the greatest all around effect on the events of the story. Well, Behind Madara anyway. And his actions basically aided those two in making their own influences later on.

[zimbardo]

Like i said, it's easier to say hashimara has had the influence since he came way before either of those, and that w/o him, nothing would be the same.

But it is the same for both Itachi and Minato too.

Yes, however I see the situations that Itachi and Minato were in - that led to them having to make the decisions that they did - that affected Naruto and Sasuke's lives so dramatically - were solely caused from a cascade of events relating to the whole Hashirama Madara conflict.

If you remove Itachi or Minato, then Naruto and Sasuke's lives would have been different. However, if you remove Hashirama then Itachi and Minato's lives would have been different (and therefore so would the other two by proxy).
For example - without the Hashirama Madara conflict, Madara would not have attacked Konoha in the 4th's time and Naruto would not have the Kyuubi.
- This makes a much happier childhood for Naruto - removing his big "make everyone aknowledge me" nindo
- Naruto has a father and a mother
- Naruto may be much weaker as he loses his main driving force for the main part of this manga (now it is the whole bring Sasuke back business).

It is also possible to argue that Sasuke may not have gained the mangekyou sharingan - and definitely not the EMS.

In fact - even though I don't buy it - you could argue that Sasuke and Naruto's conflict is an extention of the Madara Hashirama, Uchiha Senju conflict from before (something that has unfortunately become a big part of the manga recently....)

[Nonlife]

Only the founders of Konoha (Hashirama & Madara) have had a strong influence in the present. (The 4th seems like NOTHING now.)

[GomuGomu_Getsuga]

Minato. If it weren't for him, there would be no Naruto. He also set the original tone for Naruto. All Itachi has done is create a monster. He hasn't influenced anyone but Sasuke to be honest.

[insid3rkill3r]

Yes, however I see the situations that Itachi and Minato were in - that led to them having to make the decisions that they did - that affected Naruto and Sasuke's lives so dramatically - were solely caused from a cascade of events relating to the whole Hashirama Madara conflict.

If you remove Itachi or Minato, then Naruto and Sasuke's lives would have been different. However, if you remove Hashirama then Itachi and Minato's lives would have been different (and therefore so would the other two by proxy).
For example - without the Hashirama Madara conflict, Madara would not have attacked Konoha in the 4th's time and Naruto would not have the Kyuubi.
- This makes a much happier childhood for Naruto - removing his big "make everyone aknowledge me" nindo
- Naruto has a father and a mother
- Naruto may be much weaker as he loses his main driving force for the main part of this manga (now it is the whole bring Sasuke back business).

It is also possible to argue that Sasuke may not have gained the mangekyou sharingan - and definitely not the EMS.

In fact - even though I don't buy it - you could argue that Sasuke and Naruto's conflict is an extention of the Madara Hashirama, Uchiha Senju conflict from before (something that has unfortunately become a big part of the manga recently....)



I know that without hashimara, things wouldnt be the same either.

But W/o Itachi and Minato.... same thing can be said.

Hashimara has changed the manga in his own way. But Itachi and Minato's involvement are as important if not more.

If we want to talk about who has influenced a larger amount of people as well for the longest time, Hashimara gets it.

But right now, the two main characters are the ones the manga is all about. Yes they were influenced from Hashimara since they are connected to the drama that was connected to him back then... but even with his doing, Minato and Itachi were needed.

Without both of them, Sasuke and Naruto would never bring Madara down, if that happens.

It's because of them that it will actually be possible.

You know it's kinda like sports.

The guy that passed the puck was needed, yet he is not the one who scored.

His involvement was needed in order to get it done, but someone was needed to finish the play.

Without either of them, it can't happen, but like it not, most of the credit goes to the one who scored and finished the play.

Anways you get my point.

While Hashimara has set the events of the new era from a long way back, Minato and Itachi worked a lot to mold both Naruto and Sasuke to a certain level, they directly connected to them and completly controlled how they would live and grow up.

If Itachi has chose to do things in a different way... Sasuke would have turned out to be greatl different even if Hashimara had influenced the past.

Minato deciding to sacrifice himself other than staying alive changed Naruto,s life forever. Hashimara's doing were great and all, but he didnit score, he got an assist.

[kelv015]

Had Minato not sleep with Kushina, Naruto wouldn't have been born. Had Kushina not been pregnant, Madara would have never appeared to take the Kyuubi away from a weakened Kushina. Had the Kyuubi never been released, the Uchiha wouldn't have been expected for treachery and become true eventually. Uchiha's wouldn't have been massacred, Emo Kun wouldn't have been so messed up, but most importantly, NO MAIN CHARACTER...which equals to NO STORY. So yeah, Minato >>>>>> everyone else.

[ninjabot]

Had Minato not sleep with Kushina, Naruto wouldn't have been born. Had Kushina not been pregnant, Madara would have never appeared to take the Kyuubi away from a weakened Kushina. Had the Kyuubi never been released, the Uchiha wouldn't have been expected for treachery and become true eventually. Uchiha's wouldn't have been massacred, Emo Kun wouldn't have been so messed up, but most importantly, NO MAIN CHARACTER...which equals to NO STORY. So yeah, Minato >>>>>> everyone else.


That's not exactly right. There WOULD be a main character, it just wouldn't be Naruto. If Hashirama hadn't fought Madara to a standstill back in the day then the Senju clan would've been annihilated by Madara and the Uchiha, ending the manga with the Uchiha clan roaming the world conquering village after village. Game over.

Or, let's say Hashirama DID exist, and he still reached the point in the manga where he and Madara fought to the death. Say Hashirama dies. What happens then? Same thing: everyone dies. Madara rules.

In other words, Hashirama is the only reason the manga isn't JUST about the Uchiha clan, as it is with him that the Uchiha first were defeated, and it was he who started the main villain of the series (Madara) down his road of vengeance. A road that Minato doesn't become a part of until far later. Minato influences Naruto's life, and Itachi influenced Sasuke's (and Naruto's with his "gift"), but Hashirama influenced every (modern) ninja in existance. Every genin, chuunin, jounin, and kage, as he started the system. So since Rikudou Sennin isn't included in this list, Hashirama has to take the title.

[kelv015]

That's not exactly right. There WOULD be a main character, it just wouldn't be Naruto. If Hashirama hadn't fought Madara to a standstill back in the day then the Senju clan would've been annihilated by Madara and the Uchiha, ending the manga with the Uchiha clan roaming the world conquering village after village. Game over.

Or, let's say Hashirama DID exist, and he still reached the point in the manga where he and Madara fought to the death. Say Hashirama dies. What happens then? Same thing: everyone dies. Madara rules.

In other words, Hashirama is the only reason the manga isn't JUST about the Uchiha clan, as it is with him that the Uchiha first were defeated, and it was he who started the main villain of the series (Madara) down his road of vengeance. A road that Minato doesn't become a part of until far later. Minato influences Naruto's life, and Itachi influenced Sasuke's (and Naruto's with his "gift"), but Hashirama influenced every (modern) ninja in existance. Every genin, chuunin, jounin, and kage, as he started the system. So since Rikudou Sennin isn't included in this list, Hashirama has to take the title.

Uhh, wasn't the reason the Uchiha wanted to kill everyone because the senju were being ''racist'' in a way after being ''power struck''? So, what makes you think Uchiha would have killed Senju had Madara won? All the Uchiha's of that time believed in the peace treaty and in their alliance. So no, had Madara won their figh doesn't necessarily mean that the Uchiha's would have ruled everything. It would probably be the exact same thing, but reversed...maybe even better, since Senju's are so much in love with peace, they would have never planned a Coup d'état like the Uchiha. But, that would leave Naruto without a Main Villain...heck, maybe even Minato wouldn't have become the beast he was. I mean, no Hashirama would have meant no Tobirama, that would mean no Hiruzen, then no Jiraiya...and finally, no Minato. Hmmm, actually...never mind my argument, I think you are right, Hashirama is more important...

[ninjabot]

Remember, Madara and Hashirama fought countless times before the Uchiha joined Konoha via ceasefire. It wasn't until Madara was by himself that he was defeated soundly. All the other times it was Uchiha vs. Senju. This time, it was Madara vs. Konoha.

And back that time, according to Madara, the two most powerful clans were Senju and Uchiha. The only clan out there that could give Uchiha a run for their money were the Senju, that's why when one village hired Uchiha, the other would hire Senju to stand a fighting chance. Meaning that if the Senju clan fell, the Uchiha would be unopposed in the ninja world. They'd be the undisputed best.

Which would change the world Minato grew up in.

[Nath Uchiha]

Not really, only the Senju could face the Uchiha clan on clan. They kept each other in check. IF one were to suddenly dissappear I wouldn't be surprised if the other clans did what Konoha did and tried to form an alliance, however; instead of peace it would be to fight the Uchiha. Would they still survive then?

[FallFromHaven]

Mite I advise you to add Madara to the list? He's outlived all three of them. And frankly trumps them. Madara or should I say 'tobi' is the clinical high functioning psychopath (kind of like of the guys who run the world lol), his total lack of empathy has shaped the manga into what it is today. Not only that he's indirectly effected most if not all characters in this manga in some way or form, more directly Sasuke who he is grooming to take his mantel. I'd love to go into more detail about tobi and his overall influence on the manga, hell I can't think of anyone who hasn't been somehow affected by a decision tobi has made. But I'll hold off on that, but I think tobi should be added to the list. His psychopathy alone already puts his influence above them, let alone his actions....

[empeethree]

It should be Senju Hashirama, the founding father of Konohagakure and the "Will of Fire". Everything revolves around him, all his teachings about importance of life, comrades, and friends. If not for him, Konoha is not what we know or not even existing. Naruto will be not Naruto without his teaching that was been passed down from the founding generation to the current generation.

He's the reason why Madara gone mad and right now, he attacked Konoha twice already and both attempt failed.

He's well known and most influential of his time, when he became a Hokage, the other 4 great shinobi country came to existence as what they're now because of him and they mimic the ninja system he established, the one hidden village per country and because of that, the war and skirmishes was lessen on this other 4 countries.

He's the seed of the story, everyone who follows after him are the fruits but Naruto, ofcourse is the biggest fruit of all.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

For me the Minato had the greatest influence to the plot.:) He was genius and one of the strongest or even the strongest Hokage, who mimiced Rasengan from Biju bomb. He was also Yellow Lightning who was feared by all his foes.:) Also he is the father of the main hero of this manga who gave him Kuyubi and also made an important appereance, when he practically became Kuyubi and helped him.:)
Though of course Itachi and Hashirama also played a big role in the plot.

[Zancrow]

i think you should tobirama senju as well cuz he invented the zombie jutsu , kabuto wouldnt have been able to summon all those zombies and the 3rd hokage might even be still alive right now and minato wouldnt have been able to defeat the kyuubi without his technique..

[Alien81]

Hashirama is the reason why Madara is doing all this, so I say Hashirama because of Madara both Minato and Itachi had influence on both Naruto and sasuke.

[Bromamura]

Mite I advise you to add Madara to the list? He's outlived all three of them. And frankly trumps them. Madara or should I say 'tobi' is the clinical high functioning psychopath (kind of like of the guys who run the world lol), his total lack of empathy has shaped the manga into what it is today. Not only that he's indirectly effected most if not all characters in this manga in some way or form, more directly Sasuke who he is grooming to take his mantel. I'd love to go into more detail about tobi and his overall influence on the manga, hell I can't think of anyone who hasn't been somehow affected by a decision tobi has made. But I'll hold off on that, but I think tobi should be added to the list. His psychopathy alone already puts his influence above them, let alone his actions....
While Madara was indeed of great importance to the story, the purpose of this thread is not to list the most influential character in the entire manga, but rather a comparison between Hashirama, Minato and Itachi only. Otherwise as someone has mentioned before Rikudo definitely would be up there in the contest.

[DaDarkDude]

Senju Hashirama:
Definitely one of the more important characters of the storyline, hence the reason I voted for him. Both Orochimaru and Uchiha Madara needed his Senju abilities for unknown reasons. They both made pseudo clones of him, and even recently with Kabuto- Madara has already revealed that much of his plans revolved around the Senju power.

Namikaze Minato:
I don't believe he really deserves to be on this list. He hasn't really played a major role to be honest. Sure, he sealed the Kyubi and fought Madara, but he doesn't nearly contribute as much as either Itachi or Hashirama.

Uchiha Itachi:
Definitely a story contributor. Even in death, he still has a major presence on everyone. He definitely is the reason behind Sasuke's past and current motives, and his consent to destroy the entire Uchiha clan will inevitably cause a major stir in Konoha. It isn't noticeable yet, but once the war has calmed down and things begin to become quiet again, Kakashi will undoubtedly try to confirm if Madara's words were true.

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

Senju Hashirama:
Definitely one of the more important characters of the storyline, hence the reason I voted for him. Both Orochimaru and Uchiha Madara needed his Senju abilities for unknown reasons. They both made pseudo clones of him, and even recently with Kabuto- Madara has already revealed that much of his plans revolved around the Senju power.

Namikaze Minato:
I don't believe he really deserves to be on this list. He hasn't really played a major role to be honest. Sure, he sealed the Kyubi and fought Madara, but he doesn't nearly contribute as much as either Itachi or Hashirama.

Uchiha Itachi:
Definitely a story contributor. Even in death, he still has a major presence on everyone. He definitely is the reason behind Sasuke's past and current motives, and his consent to destroy the entire Uchiha clan will inevitably cause a major stir in Konoha. It isn't noticeable yet, but once the war has calmed down and things begin to become quiet again, Kakashi will undoubtedly try to confirm if Madara's words were true.

Fact is, the main premise of the story is Naruto and th kyuubi. Yeah, Senju and Uchiha have taken a more important part of the story as of now, but naruto and the kyuubi have always been the theme of the manga. Everything else is secondary.

Considering that Hashirama and Minato have been directly related to the kyuubi and the person that made it possible for Naruto to even have it, I'd say they were the most influential in the story. The story would be a lot less different without Itachi than it would be without Minato or Hashirama.

No Minato, no Kakashi, no Naruto or kyuubi sealed, no story. Even if Naruto was alive without the kyuubi, he'd be dead before part 2. No Hashirama, Madara's the Shodaime, completely different story (but probably still a good one). No Itachi, Akatsuki still exist, Madara probably still kills the Uchiha by request of Danzo, Madara still gets Sasuke.

Now, Madara....Madara is the most influential person to the story outside of Naruto himself. Everyrhing bad in Naruto's life is directly related to him. Madara is the Frieza or Cell of the manga. The M.Bison, the Shao Khan, the King Koopa, the Joker, Lex Luther, Magneto, Dr.Doom, etc. The polar opposite ofthe main character.

[insid3rkill3r]

No Minato, no Kakashi, no Naruto or kyuubi sealed, no story. Even if Naruto was alive without the kyuubi, he'd be dead before part 2. No Hashirama, Madara's the Shodaime, completely different story (but probably still a good one). No Itachi, Akatsuki still exist, Madara probably still kills the Uchiha by request of Danzo, Madara still gets Sasuke.

Way to downgrade Itachi's involvement in the story.

Madara wasnt asked by Danzo to wipe out the clan, only Itachi figured Madara was staying in the shadows and planning something up, and he himself said it, he was looking for an opportunity for War, he would have wiped the entire village, he only kept it to the Uchiha because of Itachi.

No Itachi - Akatsuki exists, no Sasuke, Konoha might get wiped out, War starts to rage due to the Uchiha's coup detat bringing an opportunity for other countries like Madara himself said. No rival for Naruto which has been an important and crucial part to Naruto's overall growth, and that is if he's still alive.

[FujiNumberOne]

Hashirama no doubt. Without him, there's a good chance that there wouldn't be a Konoha...

[cash2088]

Most of you don't give Minato enough credit. Don't make the mistake of confusing screentime/page count as importance! What makes Minato such a character of import was his foresight after he fought Madara. The forethought to seal the kyuubi into his son and just the portion that would prove useful in defeating Madara. He also left "that jutsu" once Naruto took control of the kyuubi chakra, although Jiraiya was tasked with training Naruto, the fact remains that all Narutos' jutsu are Minato's or left by Minato (minus sexy jutsu and the like and of course sage mode) including "that jutsu" which has yet to be seen but must be the jutsu that shuts madara down! Itachi had forsight and is a big influence as is shodai but Sasuke wasn't a character in kishi's initial drafts of the manga so its only logical the manga could exist without itachi as he was only introduced for Sasukes' progression... Minato's legacy is Naruto!

[insid3rkill3r]

Most of you don't give Minato enough credit. Don't make the mistake of confusing screentime/page count as importance! What makes Minato such a character of import was his foresight after he fought Madara. The forethought to seal the kyuubi into his son and just the portion that would prove useful in defeating Madara. He also left "that jutsu" once Naruto took control of the kyuubi chakra, although Jiraiya was tasked with training Naruto, the fact remains that all Narutos' jutsu are Minato's or left by Minato (minus sexy jutsu and the like and of course sage mode) including "that jutsu" which has yet to be seen but must be the jutsu that shuts madara down! Itachi had forsight and is a big influence as is shodai but Sasuke wasn't a character in kishi's initial drafts of the manga so its only logical the manga could exist without itachi as he was only introduced for Sasukes' progression... Minato's legacy is Naruto!

Sasuke was not part of the 'initial' draft?

Just because the Manga isnt called Naruto and Sasuke doesnt mean Sasuke's involvement in the manga is not imporant.

Itachi had only foresight and nothing else? He didnt sacrifice himself for village and didnt prevent a war as well as Madara's move against the leaf? The same village in which Naruto lives?


Sasuke is the main force which drove Naruto to get strong throughout the manga, how can you even forgive something like that? And yet Itachi's role isnt over yet.

Hashimara has had a longer impact, without him, the naruto world we know wouldnt be.

Without Itachi, manga wouldnt be either and same goes for Naruto.

They have had a role which made sure tha manga would be where it is today, the major difference is that both Itachi and Minato had a major as well as a direct impact on the two main characters where Hashimara isnt direct and comes from way back.

No Itachi, no Sasuke or maybe even no Konoha at all,

[cash2088]

Sasuke was not part of the 'initial' draft?

Just because the Manga isnt called Naruto and Sasuke doesnt mean Sasuke's involvement in the manga is not imporant.

Itachi had only foresight and nothing else? He didnt sacrifice himself for village and didnt prevent a war as well as Madara's move against the leaf? The same village in which Naruto lives?


Sasuke is the main force which drove Naruto to get strong throughout the manga, how can you even forgive something like that? And yet Itachi's role isnt over yet.

Hashimara has had a longer impact, without him, the naruto world we know wouldnt be.

Without Itachi, manga wouldnt beL either and same goes for Naruto.

They have had a role which made sure tha manga would be where it is today, the major difference is that both Itachi and Minato had a major as well as a direct impact on the two main characters where Hashimara isnt direct and comes from way back.

No Itachi, no Sasuke or maybe even no Konoha at all,


Nobody is doubting itachi's contribution but what you aren't understanding is even without itachi Masashi could've easily blamed the uchiha massacre on Madara but in order to prolong the series he went with a way in which Sasuke would become Naruto's rival instead of ally.

"When developing the original Naruto manga, Masashi Kishimoto had not initially intended to create Sasuke. After speaking with his editor about the future of the series, he was advised to create a rival character for the series' protagonist, Naruto Uzumaki, resulting in Sasuke's creation"

You're free to your opinion I won't deny that but while itachi adds depth to the manga you mistakingly make the assumption that Naruto's development is contingent upon Itachi when we know Naruto's development is and has always been a direct result of Minato's actions! From the sealing of the kyuubi to Naruto's relationship with Kakashi and Jiraiya, from his training to his jutsu, Minato is the driving force behind what Naruto has become! If you want it simplified then....no sealed kyuubi = no Naruto and Sasuke rivalry and no Itachi...

Ps. No Itachi doesnt mean no Sasuke it just means we wouldnt have a derranged psychopath hellbent on revenge....

P.s.s. Itachi's sacrifice is moot as if Minato hadn't sacrificed himself there would be no Itachi but even if there were no Itachi there would still be Minato. That should put it in perspective for you.
[hr]
Dude remove any character from the manga and it wouldn't be where it is now that's only logical and for the third time Itachi is/was a secondary character he has had a big impact so that goes without saying but as far as impacts go Minato to me takes home the gold! As the manga even starts with Minato's sacrifice not Itachi's... So you're saying that if Minato hadn't fought Madara the village would be there to for Itachi to save? If Madara had succeeded in using the kyuubi in the way he desired Naruto and Sasuke would have survived? The answer is No! I'm not downplaying Itachi his role was crucial but it will be because of Minato that the final war will come to an end. His faith in Naruto, his foresight to see Madara would return to Konaha and his sacrifice to prevent it's destruction! Let alone the fact that Minato was the hero of the third ninja war and ultimately the village! It's pretty damn clear to anyone the contribution Minato has had!

[insid3rkill3r]

Nobody is doubting itachi's contribution but what you aren't understanding is even without itachi Masashi could've easily blamed the uchiha massacre on Madara but in order to prolong the series he went with a way in which Sasuke would become Naruto's rival instead of ally.

There is a great flaw right there, and this shows that you're greatly missunderstanding this.

The point in the massacre was to protect the Shinobi world and Sasuke.
Itachi accepted to do the mission for the greater good.

Madara was not going to wipe the clan for fun, Madara had a grudge against Konoha, the reason he kept it to the Uchiha is because Itachi was the only one who found out about him and made him the deal to stop with the Uchiha clan.

No Itachi = Madara letting the coup detat happen and joining the fray to destroy the leaf, if you fail to realise that then i suggest you re-read the whole Itachi chapters again.

Danzo and Madara dont share a connection, Danzo never asked him to massacre the clan.

Konoha used Itachi because of how self-sacrificing he was and how he wanted peace above all.

No Itachi = War, not Madara wiping the clan lol.... great missunderstanding from your part.



You're free to your opinion I won't deny that but while itachi adds depth to the manga you mistakingly make the assumption that Naruto's development is contingent upon Itachi when we know Naruto's development is and has always been a direct result of Minato's actions! From the sealing of the kyuubi to Naruto's relationship with Kakashi and Jiraiya, from his training to his jutsu, Minato is the driving force behind what Naruto has become! If you want it simplified then....no sealed kyuubi = no Naruto and Sasuke rivalry and no Itachi...

You need to understand, this topic is about seeing the impact those three guys had on the manga, this isnt a thread for lets remove them and find a way to change the story's developpement.

Naruto mainly, had two major events that greatly impacted his life.

One of them was being alone leading him to have the desire to become Hokage and be a Hero for everyone to see. He wanted to be acknowledged by everybody.


And secondly, Naruto's first connection; Uchiha Sasuke.

They both share loneliness and at some point, Naruto became envious of Sauske and turned him into a rival.

That rivalry kept pushing Naruto to get stronger and stronger throughout the entire manga.

Kakashi clearly said it; You've always been in front of him Sasuke.

And guess what, Naruto himself said it recently, that he always wanted to be like Sasuke, and always wanted to be friends with him.

Naruto has been living to keep that bond he shared with Sasuke alive.

This is known to all, and the reason why Sasuke and Naruto were able to share that connection from the start is because of Itachi's involvement.


So Minato is the pillard behind one of the major event that occured in Naruto's life and Itachi is the pillard behind the second one.



Ps. No Itachi doesnt mean no Sasuke it just means we wouldnt have a derranged psychopath hellbent on revenge....

No Itachi = Madara + Coup d'etat = countries invading = Konoha most-likely being wiped out.

No Itachi = No Itachi being inside the Akatsuki to protect them from the inside and no Madara himself admitting to having holded back.




P.s.s. Itachi's sacrifice is moot as if Minato hadn't sacrificed himself there would be no Itachi but even if there were no Itachi there would still be Minato. That should put it in perspective for you.

And No Itachi = No naruto = Minato's sacrifice being meaningless.

And we go with your way = No Hashimra = No Konoha = No Naruto or Sasuke or Minato or Itachi so Hashimara is the greatest of all.

Fail perspective if you ask me.

[cash2088]

Your logic is flawed also but it's always easier to see the flaw in someone elses logic rather than your own! No sacrifice from Minato equals no Sasuke and Naruto connection. You deleted your previous post to write this contrived piece of mess above my post to reiterate what? You're arguing with yourself because I'm not saying Itachi is not important but as you say one cannot exist without the other and Itachi wouldn't be here that's a fact if Minato didn't sacrifice himself! So yes to me Minato is more important to the story ! Also you say the coup D'etat would have "most likely" have wiped Konoha out? Well conjecture holds about as much weight as wet piece of 2 ply bathroom tissue!

Lastly I wasn't the one who started the whole "let's take a character out of the manga to quantify their importance" so don't try to patronize me with it! I should have known by that picture that your just an Itachi fanboy trying to impress upon others the importance of Itachi to validate your fanboyism.. Well guess what I still find Minato to be of greater import than Itachi, yes Itachi convinced Madara to slaughter the Uchiha clan but it wasn't without consequence all he did was prolong the time Konoha had until it's destruction as we can clearly see Madara accumulated many Uchiha eyes and the bijuu and has come back. Minato predicted this where as Itachi put his hopes in Sasuke but we see were that got him!

Hashirama is the basis of the story but Minato is the character who set the stage for the manga while Itachi is the force that helped progress the story! All integral parts in the scheme of things but Minato being the catalyst for the whole manga is without a doubt!

[insid3rkill3r]

You're logic is flawed also but it's always easier to see someone elses rather than your own! No sacrifice from Minato no Sasuke and Naruto connection. you deleted your previous post to write this contrived piece of mess above my post to reiterate what? You're arguing with yourself because I'm not saying Itachi is not important but as you say one cannot exist without the other and Itachi wouldn't be here that's a fact if Minato didn't sacrifice himself! So yes to me Minato is more important to the story ! Also you say the coup D'etat would have "most likely" have wiped Konoha out? Well conjecture holds about as much weight as wet piece of 2 ply bathroom tissue!

Lastly I wasn't the one who started the whole "let's take a character out of the manga to quantify their importance" so don't try to patronize me with it!

Hashirama is the basis of the story but Minato is the character who set the stage for the manga while Itachi is the force that helped progress the story! All integral parts in the scheme of things but Minato being the catalyst for the whole manga is without a doubt!

No Minato - No Naruto Sasuke connection
No Itachi - No Naruto Sasuke connection
No Hashimara - No Naruto Sasuke Minato Itachi.

With your logic ; Hashimara > Minato > Itachi just because it's the order they came in.

And your right, i said 'most-likely', but instead now ill just go with Madara's words.

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'Surely' is the word i was looking for.


Itachi saved Naruto's live, i don't call this only 'helping' Naruto progress.

This is manga evidence, which you denied / missunderstood, that is what happened


p.s, there is no need for you to get cocky, i didnt delete my post, i rephrased it, cause my english is obviously a problem sometimes, i want things to be clear as possible.

[cash2088]

No Minato - No Naruto Sasuke connection
No Itachi - No Naruto Sasuke connection
No Hashimara - No Naruto Sasuke Minato Itachi.

With your logic ; Hashimara > Minato > Itachi just because it's the order they came in.

And your right, i said 'most-likely', but instead now ill just go with Madara's words.

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'Surely' is the word i was looking for.


Itachi saved Naruto's live, i don't call this only 'helping' Naruto progress.

This is manga evidence, which you denied / missunderstood, that is what happened


p.s, there is no need for you to get cocky, i didnt delete my post, i rephrased it, cause my english is obviously a problem sometimes, i want things to be clear as possible.

Your English is fine but your logic is not! Madara also said he wasn't responsible for the attack on Konaha the second time! He's said he wasn't the reson for the hate between senju and uchiha! He's said a lot of things but they aren't true! Even Naruto questioned his plan for peace knowing Madara is a liar! By your logic Minato saved Itachi so he indirectly saved his own son further evidence of the importance Minato played. I'm just saying this without Hashirama there would be no Madara so his importance is great! Without Madara no Uchiha or Konoha! Without Minato there would be no Naruto, without Itachi there would be no ??? You say village but the same can be said for all the other characters that are mentioned both Minato and Hashirama. Yes Itachi is Sasuke's power driver but like you said Minato is also Naruto's "pillar" well. Minato's contribution is undenyable as is both Itachi and Hashirama's but in terms of pure contribution Minato gave us Naruto and all that Naruto is!

[insid3rkill3r]

Your English is fine but your logic is not! Madara also said he wasn't responsible for the attack on Konaha the second time! He's said he wasn't the reson for the hate between senju and uchiha! He's said a lot of things but they aren't true!

Don't compare this to his statement about the Kyuubi lol honestly.

You know just like any of us that Madara is making sure that Sasuke is on his side in the end.

Madara spoke the truth about Itachi and the massacre.

Don't use this to try and deny it, Madara is a lie when it comes to talking about himself, this is a known fact. Databook clearly commented on Itachi's situation and his sacrifice.



The village or his blood ties—Itachi, who desired peace more than anyone else, was confronted with the worst of choices....!! To bring peace to the village—no, to the world, Itachi carried out the slaughter of his clan. The only person he could not bring himself to kill was his little brother. In fact, not only he let Sasuke live, he also made him believe that he himself was the traitor. He took both the hidden ambition of his clan and the groundless distrust held by the village and carved them into his forehead protector, forming the shape of the "nukenin" mark; then he left the village, alone. It was all for the sake of keeping their sins and evil away from Sasuke's eyes. He shouldered "reality" alone and left the fictitious image of a noble clan behind for his brother to see...

quotes from the Databook III

[cash2088]

Don't compare this to his statement about the Kyuubi lol honestly.

You know just like any of us that Madara is making sure that Sasuke is on his side in the end.

Madara spoke the truth about Itachi and the massacre.

Don't use this to try and deny it, Madara is a lie when it comes to talking about himself, this is a known fact. Databook clearly commented on Itachi's situation and his sacrifice.



quotes from the Databook III

Luckily I'm on my phone so I can't quote data books but how about you put Minato's entry up! And that little brother he could not kill is now one of the main antagonists! "The one failure of an otherwise secret hero to konoha" as stated by Danzo! So his contribution is both negative and positive he is partly to blame for what is happening to Konaha and his complicity with Akatsuki and Madara in attaining the beasts! So he has obviously contributed but whether it's more tha Minato is questionable!

[shinobilyf]

I think Uchiha Itachi had the greatest impact. Since, if he didn't leave and killed the Uchiha clan, Sasuke wouldn't be mad at him, so he wouldn't want to seek for revenge, so when Orichimaru was looking for Sasuke, Sasuke wouldn't go to Orichimaru for power, and if he didn't leave, Naruto wouldn't look for Sasuke, and if Sasuke didn't get mad at Itachi, he wouldn't go train so hard that he would be able to kill Orichimaru, and if he didn't kill Orichimaru, Kabuto wouldn't be "freee" in a way, and if Sasuke didn't leave Konoha, because he wanted to seek power for revenge to Itachi, Naruto wouldn't have failed at ...well you get it, right ?

[thornofcarrion]

Its very hard to choose among Hashirama and Minato. They both protected not only their village, but others as well by defeating Madara and Kyuubi. If Naruto is able to change the shinobi world or the system, then I guess Minato influence is/was greater.

[Naruffy]

Minato. IMO his action are what shaped the main character of the story, which gives him the greatest impact. If we're talking about who had the greater impact on the ninja world, then it would be Hashirama > Minato > Itachi.

[Brill]

There is only one person who has directly impacted and influenced outcomes in this story, Itachi Uchiha.

Senju Hashirama is just a name for something, nothing more. Yes, he was the first Hokage, but the actions today are not being dictated by events 30+ years ago. Hashrrama cells are just a name for something, no influence. It's like saying Darwin is responsible for all evolution, which is clearly not the case.

Minato has some impact, but it is also very little. Besides giving Naruto his genes he imposed a special condition in Naruto, i.e. the Kyuubi. He also made the rasengan, but even if it didn't exist Naruto would/could learn another technique to protect himself. Naruto's condition (the Kyuubi) impacts Naruto at times but doesn't impact events that happen in the storyline. That's the kyuubi's doing, not Minato's.

The only one to influence things is Itachi. If Itachi wasn't there, the Uchiha clan would still be alive, Sasuke's whole life would be different because his scars were inflicted by Itachi. Sasuke wouldn't go after Orochimaru and Orochimaru might even leave the Leaf village alone pursuing his quest for all jutsus. Team 7 would be united and go after Madara themselves. It would be a completely different story if you were to extract Itachi out of the storyline.

[Naruffy]

I don't see how Hashirama is just a name. He created the village in which events such as the Kyuubi incident and the Uchiha massacre took place, If he had chosen not to create the village none of those events would of occured. For all we know the Uchiha could of created their own village. If the story was mainly based around Sasuke then I could see Itachi having more weight than Minato, but it's not. The Kyuubi event and the Uchiha massacre are equal in the sense that they both shaped Sasuke and Naruto's characters.

[To Be Announced]

How is this even a question? The answer is OBVIOUSLY Hashirama. Itachi and Minato are simply people who protected what Hashirama BUILT. STARTED. Those two were people who did great things, sure, but they built no foundations - only protected the foundation started and upheld by Hashirama.

Also, Madara deserves to be on this list more than Itachi. Actually a more valid question would be who had more influence between Madara and Hashirama.

[insid3rkill3r]

It depends a lot on how we see it.

Hashimara has without a doubt been influencing the outcome of the story for a very long time compared to Minato and Itachi but thats still not all there is to it.

If we wanna go this way, then it would Hashimara > Minato > Itachi as its the order in which they came in and whoever is next has to live through something it's predessor as shqped.


Thats one way to look at it.

An other is to realise that by removing any of the three, the story wouldnt be the same.
Hashimara has had a lot of influence due to the fact that he came first, but without Itachi or Minato this story wouldnt be where it's at right now and their importance imo. Is actually even more valuable because they directly shaped the two main characters of the story.

Sure, Hashimara made Madara go nuts thus lead him to use kyuubi for his revenge later on which caused both Itachi and Minato to do what they did, so in a way he supported the evolution of both Sasuke and Naruto but it still required Itachi to calculate a plan of 8 years and still required Minato to decide to entrust everything into Naruto when he could have lived.

Hashimara has had the longest influence, where Itachi and Minato have had the most direct and evident influence on the outcome of the manga as they both forged the two main characters into who they are now by devoting their lives to it.

Id say its pretty an equal battle, but i do favor itachi and minato as they put in the finishing touch.

Its like comparing someone getting an assist in hockey to getting a goal, you need both both the assist and the goal for things to work but the scorer has the last word on it no matter how great the pass was. We all want to get the goal over an assist, dont lie and clain you dont!

[hakuthehedgehog]

But in this case, Naruto is the one who will goal, and what we are to determine is who made the most important assist.

I think I'll go with Hashirama, because he was the one who created Konoha and the village system.

[benelori]

But in this case, Naruto is the one who will goal, and what we are to determine is who made the most important assist.

I think I'll go with Hashirama, because he was the one who created Konoha and the village system.

Of course, and he would stand on an equal ground with Sasuke, but the goal of the thread is to put together insane characters from 3 different generations

[insid3rkill3r]

But in this case, Naruto is the one who will goal, and what we are to determine is who made the most important assist.

I think I'll go with Hashirama, because he was the one who created Konoha and the village system.

This still doesnt change that Itachi and Minato are your most direct assistant to the outcome of the manga.

The current manga wouldnt be anywhere close to what it is right now without any of those three thats for sure, but while Hashimara has impacted over a longer period of time, Itachi and Minato are the backbone of the manga's current core.

Either way there is no surprise in seeing that the votes are that close as it depends a lot on how you see it. And the way i see Hashimara has influenced in a different way than Itachi and Minato.

It all comes down for most part to who you like the most or which sacrifice to you seemed to be the most important and i could understand as why Itachi has the edge over Minato here simply because Itachi both lived his whole life and died to influence the outcome of the story. Although Itachi is my favorite here, im not sure we can value his influence being greater because of the time he spent doing but i could understand people voting for him as what he did for all these years and even what he still manages to do through death is simply amazing.

[NarutoThe6th]

without Hashirima -> no konoha
without minato -> no naruto with 9 tailed fox
without Itachi -> no Sasuke and his unique bond with naruto

I mean you cant judge who had the greatest influence...

[Lunatic Scream]

Really depends on how you define "story". Hashirama may have had the biggest effect on the Naruto universe as a whole, and Minato probably had the most influence on the character that Naruto IS, but as for the story that is told in Naruto, Itachi's decisions and character probably played the most decisive role. However, he also has had way more screen time than the other two, so I'm not sure it's even an interesting discussion.

[Roman]

I'd say Itachi under normal circumstances but since his secret probably won't be a public knowledge, only those who know of it would be influenced. So yeah, Hashirama hits the spot since he's the first to introduce us the will of fire and all that.

[HANZO90]

Hashirama had becouse evrithing is somehow conected to his actions in some way

[UchihaUchiha]

Senju Hashirama!"the greatest ninja of his time and the only man i had ever admired."-madara.

[Delbi]

They all have equal importance.

Hashirama made the shinobi world what it is by creating Konoha. He then saved Konoha by defeating Madara in battle.

Minato made various jutsu and banged Kushina to give us our hero. He also saved Konoha from Madara.

Itachi saved Konoha from the Uchiha clan, and kept Madara and Danzou in check for years. Also responsible for indirectly keeping Naruto safe and making Sasuke the way he is.

At the end of the day, if not for any of them the Narutoverse would be fucked in half.

[Roman]

They all have equal importance.

Hashirama made the shinobi world what it is by creating Konoha. He then saved Konoha by defeating Madara in battle.

Minato made various jutsu and banged Kushina to give us our hero. He also saved Konoha from Madara.

Itachi saved Konoha from the Uchiha clan, and kept Madara and Danzou in check for years. Also responsible for indirectly keeping Naruto safe and making Sasuke the way he is.

At the end of the day, if not for any of them the Narutoverse would be fucked in half.

Thinking about it in more details, yeah, you're right. And the poll vote status proves this.

[hakuthehedgehog]

To be honest, the man with most influence in the Narutoverse has to be Tobi if he really is Madara: he's responsible for forming Konoha as much as Hashirama, he's the one who caused the events to make Naruto the way he is now, his actions lead to the destruction of the Uchiha clan and the corruption of Sasuke.

He also created akatsuki, manipulated an entire country and is now waging war against the world.

[jdw]

To be honest, the man with most influence in the Narutoverse has to be Tobi if he really is Madara: he's responsible for forming Konoha as much as Hashirama, he's the one who caused the events to make Naruto the way he is now, his actions lead to the destruction of the Uchiha clan and the corruption of Sasuke.

He also created akatsuki, manipulated an entire country and is now waging war against the world.

I don't necessarily agree or disagree, but I do think that any discussion of who has the greatest influence should have him as an option.

[metalia]

I see Minato as the main protagonist of the background.

[Bromamura]

Now that we have gone through a large part of the war, and have seen more, what are people's opinion.

[Kisame Hoshigaki]

i vote minato, he laid the foundation for naruto to grow in power and he stopped the kyuubi from destroying the village

honestly the story of naruto flat out cannot be told without minato

[Uchiha_Blood]

Yondaime, hell even without the whole kyuubi accident he still fathered the world saviour, the messiah, the-boy-who-lived Naruto.
You can't get more influential than that

[M3J]

Still Hashirama. Without him, we may not have gotten Konoha and quite possibly no Minato or Naruto. If he killed Madara at that time, Kushina would probably still be the jinchuuriki. Kyuubi made Naruto into what he is. Hashirama basically established the first hidden village, and the war between him and Madara, Senju and Uchiha, is what set off teh current events: Uchiha Massacre, Tobi freeing the Kyuubi, etc.

I think Madara's the most influential, not counting Rikudou Sennin and his sons. The effect of Madara was felt even before he was ET'd.

[Prince Sasuke]

ITS ITACHI
He saved Konoha before he died,and after he died.
He save Naruto during the war... so Naruto could be the hero of the war.
He is in the process of changing Kabuto and Sasuke.

[zimbardo]

ITS ITACHI
He saved Konoha before he died,and after he died.
He save Naruto during the war... so Naruto could be the hero of the war.
He is in the process of changing Kabuto and Sasuke.
It's Hashirama
Without him, there wouldn't be a Konoha.
Itachi probably wouldn't have had to kill his clan, as they probably wouldn't have plotted a coup.
Itachi wouldn't think the way he did, and would not act in the same way.
Therefore he wouldn't have had the chance to save Konoha at all.
Sasuke also wouldn't be a missing nin if Itachi hadn't killed the Uchiha.

[Schabrak]

The reasoning of Hashirama being the most important because he was one of the founding fathers is pretty weak. Hello, without the Sage of Six Paths we would likely have none of those three choices too. See how lame that reasoning is?

I voted for Itachi, he was the driving force for Sasuke in part 1, influenced Naruto and led to Jiraiya being his sensei. In part 2 he was slowly becoming more important again, forcing/manipulating Sasuke to grow, giving insight on Madara and the whole political situation there, using/helping Naruto to come to terms with his resolution, trying to bring Sasuke back to his senses countless times.

Minato might have been a nice guy and a good Hokage, team leader of Kakashi and pupil of Jiraiya, but aside from putting Kyubi into Naruto he's done not much in the story.

[zimbardo]

The reasoning of Hashirama being the most important because he was one of the founding fathers is pretty weak. Hello, without the Sage of Six Paths we would likely have none of those three choices too. See how lame that reasoning is?
It's not weak at all, as everything in this current storyline so far (including the Uchiha massacre) has followed on directly from Hashirama's and Madara's battle for power.
Konoha's existence (and the existence of the ninja village system - without this, no Uchiha revolt at all -> no Itachi massacre -> different Itachi) - Hashirama
Uchiha and Senju (and others) living together - Hashirama
Uchiha massacre - (unless the Uchiha reasons are expanded in future chapters) Uchiha feeling that they are not leading the village as they should be, and that they have been reduced to Senju lapdogs - Hashirama (Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato - and Danzou and the elders - NOT Itachi)
Zetsu's and Yamato's existence - Hashirama's cells required
Rinnengan - suggested to require Senju and Uchiha DNA - if true then Hashirama again
Madara's current strength - Hashirama
The chance for Tobi's ridiculously stupid plan to work - Hashirama and Tobirama

As for the SOT6P, well, yeah, he has the greatest influence of all.
Without him, there would be
NO Senju (NO Hashirama)
NO Uchiha (NO Itachi or Sasuke)
NO Uzumaki (NO Naruto)
NO Tailed beasts
NO Akatsuki, as no Tobi or Nagato (he would have no rinnegan)
in fact, there would be NO ninjutsu at all...
Problem is, the SOT6P isn't on the list of who has had the greatest influence, and therefore we can not choose him as an option in this discussion.

[Bromamura]

The coming chapters will probably help out with the discussion quite a bit more.

[xXan]

Well at this point its obviously Hashirama... That guys cells are everywhere.

[Hakuteiken]

Until he turns Sasuke into an avenger or a village protector, Itachi is still the more influential person to the story. He was the reason Sasuke deserted Konoha and trained with Orochimaru. He was then the reason Sasuke tried to get revenge from the village. After he was summoned as an Edo Tensei, he was the reason such a hax Edo summon like Nagato was sealed and he was also the reason Naruto remembered how he came that far with the aid of his friends, not just relying on his own power.
Finally, he was the reason Edo Tensei nightmare was stopped and he is the reason why Sasuke still considers not getting revenge as an option.
I think that's more than enough.

Consolation prize for Hashirama: His cells helped a lot in ruining the manga :edu

[Delbi]

It terms of what is relevant to the actual story, not things that happened in the fictional history of it, then Itachi is without a doubt the most important of the three.

If we are talking in terms of history in the story, then yes, Hashirama would be.

But Itachi is the the sole reason so many things have happened in the plot. Hashirama's cells may indeed be screwing things up, but that was not his doing, it was Madara's and Orochimaru's.

[Uchiha_Blood]

By accomplishments, Itachi has the other two soundly beaten, by importance in the story Hashirama is number one imo :hurr

[xXan]

@Uchiha_Blood


I have no idea what Itachi accomplishments are that would equal the founding of Konoha, creating the Biju balance and leading the "1 vilage = country" system. Yeah Itachi is not bad but he is no God of Shinobi.

Oh and Hashirama cells. He lead the development of the world's biggest plot no justu thing ever.

[Uchiha_Blood]

@Uchiha_Blood


I have no idea what Itachi accomplishments are that would equal the founding of Konoha, creating the Biju balance and leading the "1 vilage = country" system. Yeah Itachi is not bad but he is no God of Shinobi.

Oh and Hashirama cells. He lead the development of the world's biggest plot no justu thing ever.

Founding the village was done by both Senju and Uchihas not Madara or Hashirama alone, and Hashirama's cells really aren't his doing :lmao

Itachi prevented a war that would've annihilated Konoha ( probably another World War ), stopped Kabuto and Edo Tensei, prevented Akatsuki from capturing Naruto ( at least according to the databook if I remember right ).

The guy really did a lot of things :zomg

[Hakuteiken]

@Uchiha_Blood


I have no idea what Itachi accomplishments are that would equal the founding of Konoha, creating the Biju balance and leading the "1 vilage = country" system. Yeah Itachi is not bad but he is no God of Shinobi.

Oh and Hashirama cells. He lead the development of the world's biggest plot no justu thing ever.

These were all done decades before the story began. The greater influence on most of the current characters have nothing to do with it.
Looking from your perspective, Rikudou Sennin's influence stomps all of them. Not even a contest.

[Uchiha_Blood]

^ yeah well, Rikudou started it all.
In the story, the most relevant one is surely Obito, without a doubt, but between the three imo Itachi accomplished more by himself, Hashirama's relevance is being revealed now :hurr

[M3J]

Founding the village was done by both Senju and Uchihas not Madara or Hashirama alone, and Hashirama's cells really aren't his doing :lmao

Itachi prevented a war that would've annihilated Konoha ( probably another World War ), stopped Kabuto and Edo Tensei, prevented Akatsuki from capturing Naruto ( at least according to the databook if I remember right ).

The guy really did a lot of things :zomg

How'd he prevent Akatsuki from capturing Naruto? The only instance I remember is Itachi and KIsame running from Jiraiya, the only attempt made. He even supplied Deidara with information on Naruto.



Though ultimately, one could argue Danzou is the most influential. His alliance with Hanzo caused Nagato to turn into Pain and be more easily manipulated by Tobi. Danzou also made sure the Uchiha were killed, influencing Itachi and Sasuke. He also led Orochimaru to attack Konoha, which influenced Naruto, Sasuke, and Konoha as whole.

[marshall313]

T'was minato, no doubt.

He save the konoha from total annihilation of the kyubi/obito.( take note, the uchiha doesn't have the skills to annihilate the konoha nor the other villages)
And that's include the uchiha clan, specially itachi and sasuke. So without minato, there's no one can fight the kyubi and obito. Itachi and sasuke would be dead by now.

He gave naruto the power to change the future or to protect the world from destruction as the destined child. And later on, t'was confirmed by jiraiya that t'was really naruto who can stop the world from destruction. And oh, I forgot, even rikudou confirmed minato/jiraiya's prediction, that naruto would be the next vessel of the juubi. A juubi's jinchuuriki who can bring peace to the ninja world.

He was the one who stopped kushina for killing the kyubi. He preserved the bijuus balance.

Naruto save the alliance for annihilation by giving them kurama's molded chakra. And that's of course from minato's brilliant legacy.

Right now, naruto is the key of winning this war. So basically, minato and jiraiya are correct. Their legacy is the reason why the ninja world is still alive. The ninja world's hope is minato's legacy. So there's no doubt minato is the greatest influence of them all.

[Hakuteiken]

T'was minato, no doubt.

He save the konoha from total annihilation of the kyubi/obito.( take note, the uchiha doesn't have the skills to annihilate the konoha nor the other villages)
And that's include the uchiha clan, specially itachi and sasuke. So without minato, there's no one can fight the kyubi and obito. Itachi and sasuke would be dead by now.

He gave naruto the power to change the future or to protect the world from destruction as the destined child. And later on, t'was confirmed by jiraiya that t'was really naruto who can stop the world from destruction. And oh, I forgot, even rikudou confirmed minato/jiraiya's prediction, that naruto would be the next vessel of the juubi. A juubi's jinchuuriki who can bring peace to the ninja world.

He was the one who stopped kushina for killing the kyubi. He preserved the bijuus balance.

Naruto save the alliance for annihilation by giving them kurama's molded chakra. And that's of course from minato's brilliant legacy.

Right now, naruto is the key of winning this war. So basically, minato and jiraiya are correct. Their legacy is the reason why the ninja world is still alive. The ninja world's hope is minato's legacy. So there's no doubt minato is the greatest influence of them all.

Basically, if it comes down to how characters in Konoha were influenced, Hashirama is way ahead of the pack. The Will of Fire is his heritage to the next generations. Minato, Itachi, Naruto are all people who just adopted it and carried it on.
The story was written by the Rikudou Sennin. It was narrated to the next generations by Senju Hashirama. People like Itachi, Minato and the Children of the Destiny, Nagato and Naruto were all just actors on the stage, getting more or less the spotlight Obito and Madara is getting now.

[marshall313]

Basically, if it comes down to how characters in Konoha were influenced, Hashirama is way ahead of the pack. The Will of Fire is his heritage to the next generations. Minato, Itachi, Naruto are all people who just adopted it and carried it on.
The story was written by the Rikudou Sennin. It was narrated to the next generations by Senju Hashirama. People like Itachi, Minato and the Children of the Destiny, Nagato and Naruto were all just actors on the stage, getting more or less the spotlight Obito and Madara is getting now.

:derp

I just can't accept that for someone, itachi did a lot of things than minato.:teehee

But in reality, t'was minato who did an unbelievable things than itachi.:3c

Spy of konoha to the uchiha clan.
He killed his clan or the konoha would kill them all.( so itachi never save the konoha from annihilation)
Spy of konoha to akatsuki.
He stopped the ET, but in reality, he made it worse.
After all the things he done to protect the village and his brother, it would become useless because his brother would destroy the konoha, along with the children, old fart and civilians. ( of course, assuming his brother has the power to do that)

This achievements aren't comparable to minato at all, and how come itachi has the greater influence if the konoha's ninjas/villagers doesn't know anything on what he did?:derp

For me, itachi has the greater influence to sasuke. And to sasuke alone. :teehee

Whereas for minato, he had greater influence to jiraiya, kakashi, obito, :heetsunade, naruto, to konoha, to raikage/kumo and iwa.:^_^

[Uchiha_Blood]

Difference is, Yondaime's accomplishments are actually Narutos, since it was Naruto that surpassed hate, mastered the Kyuubi, got aknowledged by all, managed to do what Yondaime and Kushina couldn't ( share Kyuubi's chakra to everyone ) and ultimately save the world. :hurr

[xXan]

Founding the village was done by both Senju and Uchihas not Madara or Hashirama alone, and Hashirama's cells really aren't his doing :lmao

Itachi prevented a war that would've annihilated Konoha ( probably another World War ), stopped Kabuto and Edo Tensei, prevented Akatsuki from capturing Naruto ( at least according to the databook if I remember right ).

The guy really did a lot of things :zomg

Founding the village has a great focus on Hashirama as he was the clan leader... Tobirama would can be damn sure was with "let's kill them all" stuff. The founding of the village is a feat for him.
His cells are his dooing lol. Those are part of him. Even if people are using them with no "ok" from him he still has a HUGE influence on everything going on curently. Obito would not even be ALIVE if not for him.
Itachi prevented a war that would trow Konoha in a war world but in no shape or fashion prevented the anihilation of the village. No idea how you got from world war to anihilation of Konoha. Hell not even the coup would end Konoha.. Sure deaths would be there(a lot of them) and the village would not end up exacly stable but still...

Stopping Kabuto... Yeah all nice and well BUT those EDO's where already stopped, well most of them. They where sealed off or traped somehow.

As for Naruto... Don't know. Not even when facing JMan. Its compllicated to deduce what would have happened if he was not there.

Of course Itachi has done a LOT but i don't belive for him to be ABOVE Hashirama.


These were all done decades before the story began. The greater influence on most of the current characters have nothing to do with it.
Looking from your perspective, Rikudou Sennin's influence stomps all of them. Not even a contest.


Who cares when what happened. The fact that it happened before the story began (and its not exacly true as pieces of said events are trown in everything) its not relevant.
RS is not even in this topic now is he? Its irrelevant.

Now with no Hashirama and you get NOTHING from curent age. There would be NO Naruto, NO Sasuke and so on... He founded the base for everything. How would Kushina and Minato even meet if it was not for him and what he did for the village?

How about Obito and the hell he did if Hashirama was not there si Obitro has his cells?

If you remove any of the topic people from history the most effect would be from Hashirama.

[suraj5898]

if u think about Itachi he lost his influence point if u think about sasuke because he never want his bother to become bad ninja he wanted his brother to protect village but as we see sasuke think differently and right now asking other's for advice

if u think about influence naruto is also good candidate because who ever meet him they start to respect/like him

best candidate is Senju Hashirama because we see him less then 10 chapters but lots of people like him

[Delbi]

How'd he prevent Akatsuki from capturing Naruto? The only instance I remember is Itachi and KIsame running from Jiraiya, the only attempt made. He even supplied Deidara with information on Naruto.


Itachi could have easily captured Naruto on multiple occasions but never did so, he was charged with capturing him until his death.

Also, Obito's plans were held back because of Itachi because he feared him. Obtio didn't start moving things at a large scale until after Itachi's death and even admitted Itachi could have killed him unless he held back key secrets from him.

[M3J]

Oh, Itachi himself I agree. but he didn't stop other Akatsuki - Deidara was still aiming to capture him while Kakuzu didn't mind killing Naruto. Hell, Kisame would have gotten Naruto too if Sasuke and JIraiya didn't interfere.

Obviously because Itachi is just that awesome. Even Minato couldn't strike that kind of fear in Tobi. :teehee

[Delbi]

Oh, Itachi himself I agree. but he didn't stop other Akatsuki - Deidara was still aiming to capture him while Kakuzu didn't mind killing Naruto. Hell, Kisame would have gotten Naruto too if Sasuke and JIraiya didn't interfere.

Obviously because Itachi is just that awesome. Even Minato couldn't strike that kind of fear in Tobi. :teehee

Well Kisame ultimately left because Itachi told him Jiraiya would likely kill the two of them, which is hard to believe when we later see Kisame hand Killerbee his ass and Itachi even near death prove to be able to obliterate Sasuke if he was serious.

As for the individual members, yes, they could have caused damage, but Obito, the man pulling the strings, wouldn't have done anything until Itachi died. The fact he didnt kill him outright despite Itachi being sick shows us how much influence he had.

[M3J]

well, to be fair Tobi could have been using Itachi in order to get Sasuke. Have Sasuke kill ITachi and then tell him the truth, which would unlock Mangekyo and make Sasuke hate Konoha.

[Delbi]

well, to be fair Tobi could have been using Itachi in order to get Sasuke. Have Sasuke kill ITachi and then tell him the truth, which would unlock Mangekyo and make Sasuke hate Konoha.

Eh, it's possible, but for all of Obito's ideas for Sasuke, he hasn't used him at all other than to collect a tentacle lol. Their entire relationship was more him influencing Sasuke to fuel his hatred and Sasuke using him for power and knowledge.

[syx]

well, to be fair Tobi could have been using Itachi in order to get Sasuke. Have Sasuke kill ITachi and then tell him the truth, which would unlock Mangekyo and make Sasuke hate Konoha.
Funny thing is that Sasuke did nothing for Obito's plan. Not to mention that Obito is currently trying to finish off the entire alliance. I have a hard time believing that he really needed Sasuke.

[M3J]

I'm guessing Tobi's plan with Sasuke either got ruined or the timing of events allowed Sasuke to be all "fuck this" and abandon Tobi, who's currently fighting.

[c420smokey]

Minato because he sealed the kyuubi in Naruto and basically helped create the ninja alliance