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February 20, 2011, 10:06 AM
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February 26, 2011, 06:43 AM
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eclipse12
February 26, 2011, 09:43 AM
Looks like Loke won but something has happened to him. Also looks like lucy knows something because of the keys on her waist.

kkck
February 26, 2011, 09:50 AM
Perhaps loki was possessed? Can't read jap so no clue lol. If spoiler is out then it can't be long until the chapter is out luckily. I think that what lucy felt was loki returning to being under her control for the most part. I don't think loki really won though, I can't imagine defeating a member of the seven kin being so easy.

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Bhoot
February 26, 2011, 11:22 AM
First time i have ever seen spoilers for FT out !!

Nyways , looks like Loki is gonna do something michevious -o.o-

Ero-Sanji
February 26, 2011, 11:29 AM
So we have a picture of Loki, beside an unconscious Caprico. Then we move on to a picture of Loki with a very sinister smile who then collapses out of his stomach injury.

The possessed theory seem very, legit, thinking of how caprico's power works but also the motives for him to actually possess Loki. Thinking of how he wants to engage Lucy taking over Loki is the best way.

Caprico's body doesn't have any sign of injury, as well. So, instead of actually losing he just took over Loki's body.

Krono
February 26, 2011, 12:03 PM
Perhaps loki was possessed? Can't read jap so no clue lol. If spoiler is out then it can't be long until the chapter is out luckily. I think that what lucy felt was loki returning to being under her control for the most part. I don't think loki really won though, I can't imagine defeating a member of the seven kin being so easy.

An attempt at control or possession would be my guess. On the panel next to the one with Caprico, Loki's saying his name is Leo, and his master is Lucy. I can't make out half of the rest of what he's saying, but it doesn't seem to be something he'd say.

saya1987
February 26, 2011, 12:31 PM
So we have a picture of Loki, beside an unconscious Caprico. Then we move on to a picture of Loki with a very sinister smile who then collapses out of his stomach injury.

The possessed theory seem very, legit, thinking of how caprico's power works but also the motives for him to actually possess Loki. Thinking of how he wants to engage Lucy taking over Loki is the best way.

Caprico's body doesn't have any sign of injury, as well. So, instead of actually losing he just took over Loki's body.



my japanese isn't that great but the evil looking loki was saying something along the lines of lucy believing in his appearance and the second bubble about slavery and (lucy) looking as lovely as layla sama. creeepy!

If Caprico really possesses loki, it'd be so tragic for loki to accidentally kill his owner again. (assuming that lucy would meet up with him somehow.)

kkck
February 26, 2011, 12:39 PM
Based on the translations you mentioned it seems like loki is being brainwashed other than being possessed though. Perhaps it is a combination of possession and brainwashing though. The possessed person does not realize he is being possessed and ends up thinking he was acting on his own free will while in turn his actions were being influenced by someone else. Perhaps the real member of the seven kin was not caprico himself but someone capable of possessing people. It would make sense considering that caprico's magic was not taught to him by hades but rather it was some other ancient magic. It would make sense a hypothetical hidden mage who was indeed taught by hades was using such magic to take over other people.

Ero-Sanji
February 26, 2011, 12:40 PM
my japanese isn't that great but the evil looking loki was saying something along the lines of slavery and lucy looking as lovely as layla sama. creeepy!

Nice:p

Then it further proves that Caprico really took over.


If Caprico really possesses loki, it'd be so tragic for loki to accidentally kill his owner again. (assuming that lucy would meet up with him somehow.)

Would Lucy die? I mean someone is going to die in this arc or at least get really hurt. Mashima is toying with us. First he shows the defeat of Makarov, then Mirajane and then Elfman and Evergreen and now Lucy is in the danger zone! I wonder who bites the dust but I highly doubt it would be Lucy.

saya1987
February 26, 2011, 12:56 PM
then again, leo is one of the strongest spirits...may be he could fight against caprico's control somehow?

kkck
February 26, 2011, 01:06 PM
I really don't think caprico is the one controlling or attempting to control leo. His magic is human subordination, it would not allow him to do such a thing. I really do think there is a human mage behind this somehow. Perhaps this possession magic we are seeing is a lost magic version of stellar spirit magic? Rather than using a contract to control a spirit you completely take over it and its personality.

Krono
February 26, 2011, 01:17 PM
I really don't think caprico is the one controlling or attempting to control leo. His magic is human subordination, it would not allow him to do such a thing. I really do think there is a human mage behind this somehow. Perhaps this possession magic we are seeing is a lost magic version of stellar spirit magic? Rather than using a contract to control a spirit you completely take over it and its personality.

It would kind of make sense if Zoldio was a human wizard that was harassing or stalking Layla or something like that. She sends Caprico out to hunt him down and deal with him, but Caprico gets taken over instead.

saya1987
February 26, 2011, 01:23 PM
but caprico did said that he has no master but rather, he's the master himself so I don't think there's anyone controlling him at the moment. Secondly, if he's controlled by somebody, I don't think that particular somebody would specifically target lucy.


(note: the following is my assumption (I'm also assuming that loki loses), not based on translations as I'm not that proficient in japanese. )

If you look at the last page of the spoiler, lucy's keys were glowing in one of the panels. I think caprico has taken over leo's place and returned to the spirit world to recuperate before coming out again...either that or he's just trying to go through her keys to locate lucy. After all, a spirit can appear at the place where the spirit mage is.

Anyway, my point is, caprico is returning to his homeland after 17 years!

Ero-Sanji
February 26, 2011, 02:08 PM
but caprico did said that he has no master but rather, he's the master himself so I don't think there's anyone controlling him at the moment. Secondly, if he's controlled by somebody, I don't think that particular somebody would specifically target lucy.

If you look at the last page of the spoiler, lucy's keys were glowing in one of the panels. I think caprico has taken over leo's place and returned to the spirit world to recuperate before coming out again...either that or he's just trying to go through her keys to locate lucy. After all, a spirit can appear at the place where the spirit mage is.

Anyway, my point is, caprico is returning to his homeland after 17 years!

I totally agree. If it weren't Caprico then why does he remember Layla through Lucy and why does he have such strong feelings toward her. Also how was he able to remember something only caprico should've remembered?

kkck
February 26, 2011, 03:37 PM
Its not like caprico would have been the only person to know layla. Perhaps whoever is behind caprico also knew layla which would make sense considering the involvement with stellar spirits and caprico in particular.

Sollum
February 26, 2011, 03:53 PM
^ Maybe it's old Zoldio's Lover or relative >.>

meepers4982
February 26, 2011, 04:32 PM
okay absolutely amazing that we have spoilers since we stopped having them since the edo arc. Hmmm poor loki, however im not making any assumptions on what happened to him until the chapters out then everything becomes clearer. Hmm looks like a good chapter, very emotional.

Curryman
February 26, 2011, 05:46 PM
It would kind of make sense if Zoldio was a human wizard that was harassing or stalking Layla or something like that. She sends Caprico out to hunt him down and deal with him, but Caprico gets taken over instead.

Nice theory! Better yet what if Zoldio was the one that actually KILLED layla after taking over Caprico...:s

I want to see pissed off Lucy!

miramira
February 26, 2011, 07:54 PM
Cool, this is my first time to see an FT spoiler as well. :)

If the first panels suggest that Caprico took over Loki.. in the next panels it seems that there's an inner struggle going on. Definitely even if Caprico is (or appears) much stronger Loki would not give up without a fight. It's Lucy's life in stake, afterall.

(Just a question.. Did Lucy ever mention how her mother died? Just a sudden thought, what if Layla wasn't dead but ended up as Caprico's subordinate too? Maybe they only thought she died? Is that possible? I was rewatching the early episodes yesterday and saw that part where Lucy was writing to her mom. It would be kinda nice if Layla gets to read those letters in the end.)

Anyway can't wait for the next chapter! :}

ca12nag3
February 26, 2011, 08:01 PM
Now and then it is Lucy narating the story telling how things turn out or that stuff didnt go as she expected at the time. So the entire FT story is taking place in the past. < from Lucy's narating perspective.

So its possible that someone is reading those letters and in the end we get to see who is?

saya1987
February 26, 2011, 09:07 PM
okay, I did more translations of the last page. It seemed that leo/caprico had returned to the celestial world. as you can see from gray's face, he's realising in horror that he has no partner for his exam! haha....


As for the cover story, happy's is having a mission in the middle of the night and his eyes are glowing, not because he's fired up but simply the fact that he's a cat...

miramira
February 26, 2011, 09:20 PM
^wow thanks for the translation

Haha poor gray!

Leo/Caprico returned to the celestial world?
I wonder what's up with that.. did they return together to speak to their King?
Or settle their issue there?

The last one seems to be the last page of the chapter..
at least Lucy's safe for until the next one right?
but I wouldn't expect this whole thing regarding Caprico to end in just one chapter
So I think Leo and Caprico's return to their world isn't the end of this

Krono
February 26, 2011, 09:24 PM
(Just a question.. Did Lucy ever mention how her mother died? Just a sudden thought, what if Layla wasn't dead but ended up as Caprico's subordinate too? Maybe they only thought she died? Is that possible? I was rewatching the early episodes yesterday and saw that part where Lucy was writing to her mom. It would be kinda nice if Layla gets to read those letters in the end.)

No, we don't know how, or why, or even what day Lucy's mother died.


Now and then it is Lucy narating the story telling how things turn out or that stuff didnt go as she expected at the time. So the entire FT story is taking place in the past. < from Lucy's narating perspective.

So its possible that someone is reading those letters and in the end we get to see who is?

Lucy stopped writing the letter after the Phantom Lord arc. Her narration basically went from her writing letters to her mother, to her writing her book.

saya1987
February 26, 2011, 09:34 PM
according to a lucy bubble, she was explaining to cana and gray that when a spirit uses too much strength/ sustains injuries, he would need to return to the spirit world to recover and that spirits can't stay in the human world for long etc...


Thus, it would probably mean that leo's injuries were too serious to sustain his form in the human world so caprico went back to the spirit world to recover his strength before he could come out again.

Another possibility is that the spirit world is the fastest way to locate lucy (compared to running around the island). Afterall, a spirit only appears where the spirit mage is.



as for what happened to loki, I have no idea. LOL, I was thinking of another possibility that caprico switched bodies with loki (notice how caprico lied on the floor despite being in loki's body)but that seemed to far-stretched and I prefer the idea of possession/ brainwashing better.

takarita
February 26, 2011, 11:14 PM
i support the theory about Zoldio possesing caprico, and now loki, and remembering the edo arc, the Extalia's Queen could predicte someones death, Lucy's death, and those was confirmed since charly's vision.

kkck
February 26, 2011, 11:50 PM
I think the hand we saw in charles vision was mira's. I doubt lucy is going anywhere in this arc.

saya1987
February 26, 2011, 11:56 PM
I doubt it's lucy's hand too...it's too predictable, isn't it?

Ero-Sanji
February 27, 2011, 12:43 AM
Its not like caprico would have been the only person to know layla. Perhaps whoever is behind caprico also knew layla which would make sense considering the involvement with stellar spirits and caprico in particular.

Agreed. But it still doesn't explain the memories and the last chapter also indicated that he's himself by the way he talked and addressed Loki/Leo.

Anyway, I bet this Zoldio will help us understand the whole thing a little better.

Kuzumikun
February 27, 2011, 07:00 AM
the hand is not lucys
1) cuz shes the main character aside from natsu, erza,and grey
2) if lucy were too die its too early for her to at least wait until the last chapter
3) i dunno what else to say haha :D
ohh btw hmm well it seems loki looks crazy until something happens to him on the last pannel
could be capri controlling him then loki relizing if he does take over his sole lucy's life is at stake so yea just my guess
-sorry for typos im using 1 hand XD

ca12nag3
February 27, 2011, 07:52 AM
No, we don't know how, or why, or even what day Lucy's mother died.



Lucy stopped writing the letter after the Phantom Lord arc. Her narration basically went from her writing letters to her mother, to her writing her book.

well yes but im not talking about the difference between letter and book. More like.

-Is someone reading the book/letters? And who is it?
-Is she telling someone this story at her old age? ^^ Whos listening?

Since she is clearly the narrator of the story. And speaking about the past.

1337 haxor
February 27, 2011, 07:56 AM
Is it me or Leo is hidding some serious shit about the true nature of the Stellar Spirits and their role in the whole Zeref deal.

Something doesn`t match, first of all they can be used freely in another dimension where no Earthland magic should be used without a special artifact to release it.

Now from Caprico we discover that Stellar Spirits can become mages and learn new abilities they weren`t supposed to utilize. I mean, summoning humans is not Caprico's original role.

And then we got Loki going apeshit insane, beating his former comrade and rambling some cryptical declaration.

Something is wrong with the whole Lucy and stellar spirits deal and once the stage is set we will shit bricks.

Newkerzy
February 27, 2011, 09:09 AM
Is it me or Leo is hidding some serious shit about the true nature of the Stellar Spirits and their role in the whole Zeref deal.

Something doesn`t match, first of all they can be used freely in another dimension where no Earthland magic should be used without a special artifact to release it.

Now from Caprico we discover that Stellar Spirits can become mages and learn new abilities they weren`t supposed to utilize. I mean, summoning humans is not Caprico's original role.

And then we got Loki going apeshit insane, beating his former comrade and rambling some cryptical declaration.

Something is wrong with the whole Lucy and stellar spirits deal and once the stage is set we will shit bricks.

Actually, that was thanks to Mistgun's pill. With that pill, Mages from EarthLand can use magic.

But I agree with you something fishy is definitely going on.

saya1987
February 27, 2011, 09:36 AM
Now from Caprico we discover that Stellar Spirits can become mages and learn new abilities they weren`t supposed to utilize. I mean, summoning humans is not Caprico's original role.


That's not surprising at all... spirits do gain new abilities and power as their master's strength increases. For example, at the beginning of the series, virgo could only dig holes but in the edolas arc, she was able to perform her spica hole attack.

However, judging from loki's knowledge in 223, it seems that the basic skills of caprico are to lower his opponents' strength and attacks. Summoning humans is probably the lost magic that he possesses.

ca12nag3
February 27, 2011, 10:37 AM
She was only 29 thats kinda young so something happend. If it was illness wed have seen some pages with Lucy near her moms bed or at least something that indicated she was ill.
So im going with the option she was either killed in a mage fight or Caprico did something to her.

kkck
February 27, 2011, 11:05 AM
Well, so much for manga streams schedule lol. I want my chapter!

Now, obviously something happened to lucy's mom, I don't see how her death could be something uninvolved with the manga's big plot and whatnot. The fact that she died the same year as the dragons disappeared suggest her death is most likely connected to them and in some way zeref. The fact that caprico ended up wanting to awake zeref is another indication of that.

Marche
February 27, 2011, 11:15 AM
I want to know why Gray react in that way, and why Cana blush.
Beside I think that Lucy will understand that it's not the real Loki.
Perhaps if it the real Caprico who has that power, he could test Lucy, because he want to know if Lucy is as her mother (if in someway he thinks that her mother betrayed him).

Sollum
February 27, 2011, 12:20 PM
I want to know why Gray react in that way, and why Cana blush.
Beside I think that Lucy will understand that it's not the real Loki.
Perhaps if it the real Caprico who has that power, he could test Lucy, because he want to know if Lucy is as her mother (if in someway he thinks that her mother betrayed him).

I think someone translated that Loki went to spirit world and Grey now doesn't have a partner for exam.


Omg 29 yrs old! And married to such a snob >.>
Was is for the money?
Was she charmed?

Marche
February 27, 2011, 12:28 PM
I think someone translated that Loki went to spirit world and Grey now doesn't have a partner for exam.


Omg 29 yrs old! And married to such a snob >.>
Was is for the money?
Was she charmed?Thanks for that.
So now I am sure that Lucy will understand that it's not that Loki.

saya1987
February 27, 2011, 12:46 PM
Omg 29 yrs old! And married to such a snob >.>
Was is for the money?
Was she charmed?

ermmm...may be she used to be a powerful mage once and was tired of fighting all the time so she would rather live a low-profile life? Awy, lucy's dad wasn't rich when layla married him. He only became wealthy after he and layla left love and lucky.

P.S I think I'm having withdrawal symptons from fairy tail.

Mashiro_Luna
February 27, 2011, 02:56 PM
Omg 29 yrs old! And married to such a snob >.>
Was is for the money?
Was she charmed?

They have already said that (I think it was the chapter Love & Lucky) Lucy's parents were together before her father was rich. I think they got together when her father wa spart of the merchents guild cause they named her after the guild (The 'k' missing in Lucky).

kkck
February 27, 2011, 03:01 PM
Wonder if the heartphilia name meant anything before lucy's family went rich though. It'd be interesting if the name could be traced back to the times when zeref was wrecking havoc around the world. It'd give more depth to lucy as a character and her relevance to the story and perhaps explain why her mom died exactly at the same time the dragons disappeared.

Kuzumikun
February 27, 2011, 05:27 PM
i still wonder when lucy's mother disappeared so did the dragons i hope it reveals what happens to layla and the dragons in the next chapters

ibn.
February 27, 2011, 09:29 PM
i thought lucy's mother was dead not disappeared.

kkck
February 27, 2011, 11:12 PM
i still wonder when lucy's mother disappeared so did the dragons i hope it reveals what happens to layla and the dragons in the next chapters

I would think lucy's mom is dead and not a missing person considering she in fact does have a grave. It'd be interesting if her grave was actually empty though.

Bhoot
February 28, 2011, 12:31 AM
I was expecting the chapter to have been released by now >"<

BTW who knows , maybe Lucy's mom was murdered

kkck
February 28, 2011, 12:45 AM
I think murder is the most likely scenario. Sickness would be a tad too cliche and it is unlikely she died of natural causes at the ripe age of 29. I guess an accident is also possible though. Where is the damn chapter lol? I expected it saturday morning! I can't live this long off spoilers.... hopefully manga stream finds a decent raw provider for this manga soon enough. Is there any other group that normally releases by this time BTW?

saya1987
February 28, 2011, 02:12 AM
yeap, I want to know whether loki won the fight or not! Awy, the spoiler was handled pretty well. The person just showed 2 pages of loki being taken over by caprico before showing us the last page where leo/caprico returned to the celestial world.

arggggh, I want to know what happened during the fight.

1337 haxor
February 28, 2011, 06:28 AM
I would think lucy's mom is dead and not a missing person considering she in fact does have a grave. It'd be interesting if her grave was actually empty though.

Just like Lisanna's.

Lucy's mother is far more relevant to the plot than her father but I, for some reason, got a Saint Seya feel behind her story and purpose.

In SS Athena was born in holyness but raised by a very rich man while nobody knew exactly of her deceased mother.

Same could go for Lucy in FT, if Layla got pregnant the same way Mary gave Jesus (I mean, not from man but divine incarnation), it could be that she knew what her daughter was and which role it was going to play.

So she quited her guild and married a jerk who could afford protection and shelter to her and her daughter.

Of couse she must have felt love for Lucy's father but women always but providence for her children above all else.

Lucy so far has been proved to possess unknows powers as she was capable of throwing a super powerful spell despite being depleted of most of her magic strenght.

If, like Zeref, Lucy also holds within herself something unimaginably powerful then what that force is and which goal it has it's still a mistery.

EDIT:
Just a question, the uploader got sick or what? Chapter is almost two days delayed.

fizzil
February 28, 2011, 06:44 AM
It's interesting to note that Lucy's mother died the same year Igneel and the other dragons disappeared.

Bhoot
February 28, 2011, 08:19 AM
http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/60137963/1

Chapter is out!!

llamapie
February 28, 2011, 08:28 AM
So Lucy has another strong spirit. She gets them so easily too.

@_@ The time gap is odd. Looks like Mashima will use it to show us some battle aftermaths in other spots and leave us with more questions.

kkck
February 28, 2011, 08:42 AM
Interesting chapter. It seems caprico was indeed possessed although I am not sure I am too happy with the backstory. Caprico was never evil and lucy got an exceptionally hax spirit. Heck, with human subordination magic then fairy tail could actually have a chance of winning this. So zoldio was just some random dude who wanted the key of capricorn and went to the darkness simply because caprico wanted to serve lucy? I guess we have the answer to how caprico stayed in the human world, zoldio was most likely using his own magic. What happened to the humans he had as his subordinates though? Also, is human subordination the power caprico had or is it the power zoldio had? Perhaps caprico's power is something else in reality?

The one interesting thing about zoldio disappearing is that it seemed he went to the stellar spirit world. Could it be that he was inside a stellar spirit for so long he became a spirit himself? It'd be interesting if that is the case.

Ero-Sanji
February 28, 2011, 08:53 AM
Finally I'm satisfied!

This chapter was really sweet and cool. The best thing is that the human subordinate magic most likely is Zoldio's own and not caprico's meaning that there's a spot for him to evolve as well. The only bad thing with Caprico joining is that especially Taurus and Cancer gets less and less time to evolve and show us some new attacks and techniques. Good to see that Layla was a great magician too, though.

Next chapter is called "tear" and I think it's safe to conclude that it's going to focus mainly on Ultear and perhaps Natsu and their encounter. I hope that we could see some more background story on her.

gotdott
February 28, 2011, 09:00 AM
Interesting chapter. It seems caprico was indeed possessed although I am not sure I am too happy with the backstory. Caprico was never evil and lucy got an exceptionally hax spirit. Heck, with human subordination magic then fairy tail could actually have a chance of winning this. So zoldio was just some random dude who wanted the key of capricorn and went to the darkness simply because caprico wanted to serve lucy? I guess we have the answer to how caprico stayed in the human world, zoldio was most likely using his own magic. What happened to the humans he had as his subordinates though? Also, is human subordination the power caprico had or is it the power zoldio had? Perhaps caprico's power is something else in reality?

The one interesting thing about zoldio disappearing is that it seemed he went to the stellar spirit world. Could it be that he was inside a stellar spirit for so long he became a spirit himself? It'd be interesting if that is the case.

The human subordination magic was Zoldeo's. It said specifically that if he used it on anyone other than a human he fused with the target so it can be assumed that he tried it on Caprico and not the other way around cause it would obviously have worked if that was the case :P

eefrit
February 28, 2011, 09:03 AM
Pretty cool chapter. The revelation was surprising but kind of disappointing in my opinion. I'm also disappointed in Zoledo's magic. Just a simple body switch magic with some repercussions. Also Cana's reason for wanting to be an S-Class mage better be good and sorrowful, because this pity party is getting on my nerves.

sarutobi_sensei
February 28, 2011, 09:05 AM
Again I say, it was an odd chapter, really fast paced but finally we understood more things :D

How did Lucy know that Loki had won? Did he communicate with her via telepathy?

Lol @ Gray being preoccupied with the exam when the entire island is in peril :|

Lol @ Zoldio as well who got defeated in 1 chapter :D I liked it.

So Capricorn was possessed, I liked it, would be lame if he was all about revenge for Layla abandoning him and such.

But how did Lucy get Aquarius and Cancer? Weren't they given by her mother? Imo the persons who got those spirits decided that they should be better with the daughter of their former master.

It was interesting to know that Aquarius belonged originally to Lucy's mom.

So it was all an "act" by Leo to attack using Regulus. Liked the cooperation between the 2.

So yeah, Natsu vs UrTear next?

bittman
February 28, 2011, 09:06 AM
Hmmm, a little disappointed to be honest. After the last chapter I expected a more intricite web of mystery revolving around Capricorn, but to be honest about 5-10 chapters ago I predicted he was a taken over spirit.

What's more, for one of the 7 kin he appeared to be the weakest. Sure, had an anti-human ability, but beyond that his power was mediocre.

So yeah, ok chapter but I wanted more mystery and was instead rewarded with everything completely tied up in one single chapter.

Please Fairy Tail, make some plot twists. Whenever you're ready to be smarter about your story, we'll be waiting here with baited breath. Not that I'm hating on Fairy Tail, it just remains a mediocre quality Shonen as opposed to an epic tale. It still stands well below Rave in my opinion, even though all the characters and abilities have the potential to make it greater.

sarutobi_sensei
February 28, 2011, 09:07 AM
Well yeah, that's why he said it was Taboo. But I wonder if the target's will is stronger than that of Zoldio could the target overcome it? I wanna see it being done on Natsu :D

Jorge D. Dragon
February 28, 2011, 09:11 AM
The chapter was actually rather interesting and it was great to see some cooperation between Leo and Caprico. Also it was interesting to see that the reason was rather simple - Caprico was just posesed.:) He wasn't eveil.:)
The thing I don't like is that Lucy just gets another key out of the blue. The thing is that she can defeat many persons now only because her spirits love her and can come to her rescue even if she doesn't have magic power.

saya1987
February 28, 2011, 09:11 AM
soo much for our assumptions on caprico's betrayal and our wild guesses. never would have guess that capricon was possessed. This chapter didn't clear our confusion at all....it just made everything more mysterious...like how lucy managed to obtain aquarius and cancer.

and whose hand did charle's predicted?

To think I was sooo excited about knowing lucy's past, seriously, all it stated about her mum was that she became increasingly fatigued and quit the mage world (at 16?!) what an anti-climax...

Faust Lim
February 28, 2011, 09:16 AM
I don't understand how this chapter is related to the chapter before. , no.1, what exactly is his ambition? there must be some reason he wanted to become a goat , no.2 Is the human subordination magic zoldeo's or caprico and is that a lost magic taught by hades? no.3 what happened to the humans subordinated? no.4, where exactly did he go to? he can't have just dissapeared right?
Actually i think the human subordination magic is zoldeo's and is a lost magic mage taught by hades, and he wanted to become a goat, to attain its powers, prevent caprico from returning to lucy and perhaps sustain him, remember he dissapeared after he was dispossed, i have a feeling the magic which lowers the power of humans is caprico magic and thus possibly complimenting zoldeo's magic.

ca12nag3
February 28, 2011, 09:19 AM
This kinda makes Aquarius a real bitch dont it? :D after all she was her mothers key. As far as Layla goes, i suspect 1 of 2 things.

That mage that possessed Caprico might have killed Layla?
Also Layla said to be fatigued by Caprico so its possible she was ill?

saya1987
February 28, 2011, 09:24 AM
What's more, for one of the 7 kin he appeared to be the weakest. Sure, had an anti-human ability, but beyond that his power was mediocre.



I wouldn't say Caprico is the weakest but I was expecting him to be far more powerful than what he is now. Secondly, Zoldio is such a useless character. He joined Hades for no particular reason, got angry over his stupid goat body when he could've hunted any celestial mage and exchange bodies with their fellow spirits.

I hope that's more than meets the eye for Hades to allow Zoldio to be part of the 7 kin. May be he's just making use of Zoldio to obtain all the celestial keys to unseal zeref etc....

Faust Lim
February 28, 2011, 09:24 AM
Well interesting chap for layla, why exactly did she become fatigued?, that was a couple of years before she gave birth to lucy and she was in her 20's and who were the owners of aquarius and cancer, i think that will be explored further. I don't think this chap was anti-climatic but rather raise questions about what exactly she had been doing b4 her death. Something interesting i noticed, at page 16, there is some sort of emblem with words at the back of both caprico and loki, the island definitely have some sort of civillization before and maybe the secret of the island is not about zeref or mavis vermillon but this secret civilization...Well, it seems that GH will be kicked of the island, the ft will then mourn what i believe to be mira's death and then perhaps continue the exam...can't wait for character development of cana

saya1987
February 28, 2011, 09:28 AM
LOL, if you have done some calculations, you'd realise that layla became fatigued AT 16! Celestial mages have an average of 2 keys. Layla had 3 keys which shows that she's more powerful than the average celestial mages. It also means that she collected 3 keys before she was 16 years old. This is like underage child labour. lol.

LucilleHime
February 28, 2011, 09:35 AM
well, like someone said earlier, i think human subordination is Zoldeo's magic. in the manga it said that human subordination only works on humans and it is taboo to cast it on beings other than humans. Zoldeo's ambition was to keep Caprico as his spirit. but when Lucy was born, Caprico was going to become her spirit. Zoldeo didn't want that to happen so he used human subordination on Caprico to keep Caprico as his subordinate. since it's taboo, Zoldeo probably lost his original body and took over Caprico's as a way of subordinating him.

Razh
February 28, 2011, 09:43 AM
I don't think Zoldeo knew that he was going to be stuck with Capricorn. He probably tried possessing him, then realized that he's stuck being a goat. Probably didn't meet any better spirits until now.

Well, a nice chapter finally. I like how it wasn't stretched and Lucy got a spirit without doing anything.

Anyway, what I'd like to see now is Fried and Bixlow, not Cana crying again. Although "Tear" title doesn't promise much.

Rowel
February 28, 2011, 09:44 AM
Pretty decent chapter. Even though I hoped Loki would be joining Elfman and the others, I quite liked the Zoldio concept, even though it was a bit of an ass pull. The only problem I have with Mashima is that he rushes his fights.

I would've liked to have seen a decent battle between Caprico and Zoldio/Loki before it was revealed Regulus was transferred, if only to show us Caprico's true magic. Oh well, at least we got dat Kana

exacta
February 28, 2011, 09:50 AM
Disappointed that it already ended.....I thought Zoldeo would be using Lokis body for a bit, but the he loses so suddenly. Pretty anticlimactic. Capricorn was a cool villain, I wanted to see him fight more. Lucy does get these spirits too easily......oh well, theres still plenty of other things too look forward too in this arc.

wooticus
February 28, 2011, 10:23 AM
wow, didn't think that this battle would turn out a bit like i thought it would. well of course not this human posession but the stuff about capricorn becoming lucys spirit.

he will be the key to the counterattack because with his knowledge about GH he knows about their plans and might be able to find their hideout / airship.

well now 2 of the 7 kin are probably taken out. erza might also win - the fat guy might not even fight.

so we got ultear left who will escape with hades and zeref.

and the other 2 kin.. would be perfectly fitted for gildatz and the 2 of the raijin tribe.

moreover we have to assume that lucy, grey and kana aren't really worn out yet. maybe they will fight hikaru kain.

well i don't know but actually it seems like fairy tail might actually take over the winning hand.. we got kana, greay and lucy with caprico now. we got natsu who is back in shape... and those council guys who seem to be alive. so i'm curious of what mashima decides about the outgoing. if he brings backup in form of gildartz + raijin FT will beat them.

swordsaintscoot
February 28, 2011, 10:38 AM
at this stage i wouldn't be surprised if the 7 kin are nothing more than pawns to hades.

they aren't his '7 children' they've been led to believe. they're as expendable as the rest of his henchmen and as long as his goal is achieved nothing else matters. it makes me question whether hades has a hidden ambition that the 7kin aren't aware of. perhaps somehow taking zerefs power as his own or something less cliche.

meepers4982
February 28, 2011, 10:53 AM
I am very happy with the way things turned out. I like how it is explained what happened to caprico and that he isnt a bad person, it sort of ended peacefully in a way...sort of. Love grays reaction at the end, haha so funny :P.

saya1987
February 28, 2011, 11:07 AM
I just realised that layla was rich before she met lucy's dad. When Layla made the pact with caprico 20 years ago, she has yet to meet lucy's dad but she wore a fancy dress and lived in quite a huge house.

isn't this suspicious?!

Ero-Sanji
February 28, 2011, 11:26 AM
well i don't know but actually it seems like fairy tail might actually take over the winning hand.. we got kana, greay and lucy with caprico now. we got natsu who is back in shape... and those council guys who seem to be alive. so i'm curious of what mashima decides about the outgoing. if he brings backup in form of gildartz + raijin FT will beat them.

I wouldn't be so optimistic. First of all, Mashima took those people off the island for a reason, and I guess it's because he wanted FT to lose.

As for the good side we have:

Natsu - For some odd reason his almost completely revived
Gray - Good to go
Cana - As well
Lucy - As well but slightly handicapped. Out of her 4 strongest spirits only one can fight at the moment and that's scorpio. The rest are resting or in lack of water(she does have Cana but I don't think Mashima would do it again). Taurus, Sagittarius, Cancer and Virgo are all, always more or less potrayed as cannon fodder.
Erza - Good to go
Lluvia - As well

On the bad side we have:

Hades - Not even fatigued
Rustyrose - As well
Azuma - Fatigued but still a great threat
Ultear - As well
Kain - Good to go
Meldy - As well

Now, in terms of numbers FT has the advantage but in terms of power they are in a really bad position. I mean there's still room for Grey to shine and who knows he might even be able to defeat Azuma even though I can't see that happening. Kain and Meldy both seem like the types that really surprises with power above our expectation but Kain also seem like the type that Lucy often fights and beat.n

1337 haxor
February 28, 2011, 11:31 AM
OMG! WTF! BBQ!

Hell of a chapter!

So the Grimmoire Heart member was actually some sort of parasite living inside Caprico and now we know from where Lucy got Aquarius and Cancer.

Caprico would have been handed to her but that Zoldio's gay bastard decided to take Caprico over for himself.

Lot's of explanations and incredible action sequences, nuff said EPIC!

Krono
February 28, 2011, 11:33 AM
Interesting chapter. It seems caprico was indeed possessed although I am not sure I am too happy with the backstory. Caprico was never evil and lucy got an exceptionally hax spirit. Heck, with human subordination magic then fairy tail could actually have a chance of winning this. So zoldio was just some random dude who wanted the key of capricorn and went to the darkness simply because caprico wanted to serve lucy? I guess we have the answer to how caprico stayed in the human world, zoldio was most likely using his own magic. What happened to the humans he had as his subordinates though? Also, is human subordination the power caprico had or is it the power zoldio had? Perhaps caprico's power is something else in reality?

Human subordination was Zoldeo's magic, not Caprico's. Hence the talk of breaking taboos and the side effects landing him in a goat's body. So Caprico himself isn't going to be as hax. I don't think that Zoldeo went to the darkness because of Caprico. Rather he fell to it seperately sometime after he got Caprico's key, then when Caprico wished to leave he tried to force him to stay because he was already evil.

Good question on what happened to his subordinates, as from what we saw, he had a bunch of warriors, as well as a large amount of Grimoire Heart fodder stored.


The one interesting thing about zoldio disappearing is that it seemed he went to the stellar spirit world. Could it be that he was inside a stellar spirit for so long he became a spirit himself? It'd be interesting if that is the case.

Personally I figure that we'll never see him again, and it'll be assumed that he just dissolved and is dead. The anime on the other hand will use your explanation to cover over him dying a horrible death, and may use him for filler.


LOL, if you have done some calculations, you'd realise that layla became fatigued AT 16! Celestial mages have an average of 2 keys. Layla had 3 keys which shows that she's more powerful than the average celestial mages. It also means that she collected 3 keys before she was 16 years old. This is like underage child labour. lol.

Interesting point about when Layla became fatigued. It explains why she met Lucy's father at a merchants guild instead of a mage guild. Though the age isn't all that surprising considering that we already know the various characters that arrived at Fairy Tail as orphans started work as mages when they arrived, and the drinking age in the Fairy Tail world is 15.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that Celestial mages have an average of two keys. Lucy started the series with six, Duke what's his ugly face had one, Karen had two, Angel had 4, and Layla had three. Other than Lucy those are just the keys we know of, if they had other non-combat silver keys we wouldn't have seen them.

Kuzumikun
February 28, 2011, 11:35 AM
good chapter:D
now that lucy got yet another strong spirit she needs to learn how to summon more than one spirit now (since angel was able to)
i still wonder what happend to layla really but i guess that answer won't be answered in this arc.
Zoldio is such a creeper XD but it was a good twist to caprico because i was wondering if he was going to join lucy.

kkck
February 28, 2011, 11:44 AM
Wonder what caprico's power really is though. Since human subordination was zoldio's and not caprico's power then he has to have some other ability. Lucy probably can't use leo for a while so most likely she'll end up relying on caprico soon enough. Wonder if zoldio was taught his magic by hades though. I guess that is the most likely scenario. I still don't quite get why zoldio disappeared though, whats up with that?

1337 haxor
February 28, 2011, 11:47 AM
Caprico's power is that to weaken the magic of humans, that is his prime ability.

Zoldeo's ability is that to subordinate humans to his bidding.

I like to recall it to what Evergreen said, invocation mages are usually weak in close combat despite possessing large amounts of resources to fight not by themselves.

Zoldeo's true form is a very weak person, he didn't had the power to submit all these strong humans by himself.

However, once he fused with him to force him under control, their combined entity became exceedingly powerful.

Caprico has a powerful body and the ability to weaken humans at will while Zoldio can capture them to do his bidding.

There we go, we have a mage who is physically strong and posses a cheated pokeball ability to weaken the enemy naturally before capturing it.

Now that Zoldeo is gone we have just Caprico who can weaken humans but not control them.

This is a good weapon for Lucy because it can make up for her lack of sheer magic power if she can downgrade the one from her enemy.

On a side note I can help but imagine the face of the other GH members once they discover Caprico has changed sides.

sarutobi_sensei
February 28, 2011, 12:05 PM
Imo for Hades it won't be a surprise. He probably knew of Caprico's and Layla's pact, thus knowing that something would happen if they ever met.

Imo Layla was a really good mage, having 3 of the Golden Keys plus other spirits (Crux and Horologium and another one I think). And her disappearance on the same day of the Dragon's isn't a coincidence as well.

So, unlike with Master Jose who kidnapped Lucy to get money, Hades could probably try to capture Lucy because of something that we don't know yet. Remember @ the beginning of the arc she narrated: "I didn't know that I would have such a part in all that" - Or something like that, meaning that we are being told a story from a "Grown-up Lucy" (she did say that she wouldn't be a mage forever, she wants to write and publish books :D)

saya1987
February 28, 2011, 12:10 PM
Interesting point about when Layla became fatigued. It explains why she met Lucy's father at a merchants guild instead of a mage guild. Though the age isn't all that surprising considering that we already know the various characters that arrived at Fairy Tail as orphans started work as mages when they arrived, and the drinking age in the Fairy Tail world is 15.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that Celestial mages have an average of two keys. Lucy started the series with six, Duke what's his ugly face had one, Karen had two, Angel had 4, and Layla had three. Other than Lucy those are just the keys we know of, if they had other non-combat silver keys we wouldn't have seen them.

I was refering to the gold keys only.
Karen had 2 and Angel had 2 ORIGINALLY until she defeated karen and gained Aries. Layla, on the other hand, had 3 without killing anyone (presumably). Thus, it's rather true that the average no. of GOLD keys that a mage has is 2 unless you go about killing people for their keys.

Note that when layla made her pact with caprico 20 years ago, she has yet to join Love and Lucky, she's well dressed and lived in a huge mansion. She's 16, rich, has 3 keys and this seems to be quite an interesting backstory.

possibilities of layla's background:
a) earned a lot of money from missions which also seems to suggest she's a powerful mage unless she worked her day and night to pay for her affluent lifestyle.
b) came from a rich family of mages ( which also hints that she is powerful)
c) the fact that she has 3 gold keys while mages on average have 2 further proves that she is a great mage.

awy, wouldn't it be anti-climax if in the end, layla turned out to be an ordinary celestial mage and died of a natural death?!

There just seems to be more than meets the eye.

-Ken-
February 28, 2011, 12:13 PM
Wow, great and interesting chapter. This is truly the most unpredictable arc so far. It's not simply good guy win, win, win. He actually spread the win around.

saya1987
February 28, 2011, 12:22 PM
Imo for Hades it won't be a surprise. He probably knew of Caprico's and Layla's pact, thus knowing that something would happen if they ever met.

Imo Layla was a really good mage, having 3 of the Golden Keys plus other spirits (Crux and Horologium and another one I think). And her disappearance on the same day of the Dragon's isn't a coincidence as well.

So, unlike with Master Jose who kidnapped Lucy to get money, Hades could probably try to capture Lucy because of something that we don't know yet. Remember @ the beginning of the arc she narrated: "I didn't know that I would have such a part in all that" - Or something like that, meaning that we are being told a story from a "Grown-up Lucy" (she did say that she wouldn't be a mage forever, she wants to write and publish books :D)

OMG, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. Zoldeo is too useless a character for Hades to make him one of his kin. Though Zoldeo's ability to possess people is useful, this didn't serve any purpose to Hades besides being a strong fighter. And, if Hades simply wants a stronger fighter, he could've taken in anyone...why a semi-goat person whose abilities weren't even made use of by him? There wasn't even one specific person that Hades want to possess....

Lol, for Hades to pull a disappearing act and then setting up a strong guild within a few decades, it shows he isn't a simple-minded person. Must give credit to his brains...surely, there's a use for every kin that he took in.

k-dom
February 28, 2011, 12:28 PM
Caprico's power is that to weaken the magic of humans, that is his prime ability.

Zoldeo's ability is that to subordinate humans to his bidding.



Thanks indeed you are right, we have not seen how subordination magic works. But Mashima reall confused things, in particular i find it quite coincidential that capricio magic happens to be a forbidden one.

I also wonder how Lucy managed to recover all the golden key of her mother. It's not like Aquarius seems to have done it willingly...
That makes just 2 golden keys left, balance and pisces. That's quite astonishing when they are supposed to be the rarest type

Aikidoka
February 28, 2011, 12:52 PM
Interesting, but not as climactic as I expected it to be; after Lucy's mom being all mysterious for almost the entire series, what we learned about her in these two chapters was done mostly through exposition rather than some dramatic showdown-type deal.

On the other hand, liked Loke and Caprico supporting each other in this fight. Looking forward to when Lucy can finally do double spirits so we can see more tag-teaming from this duo.

EDIT: Also, is it just me or does Happy look unintentionally creepy in the cover page?

LoS
February 28, 2011, 01:06 PM
Wow what an awesomely disappointing chapter. Incredibly predictable and quite boring. Down goes a 7 kin due to some plot hole 20 years in the making. Lucy once again getting things served to her on a silver platter. Sigh, this arc is not turning out how I had hoped. The first few chapters since the GH reveal were great, but now it is once again turning back into the Shounen geared toward an extremely young audience it has always been.

kkck
February 28, 2011, 02:06 PM
I just noticed that there is something written in one of the walls behind caprico and leo. Wonder if it will have any relevance soon?

Krono
February 28, 2011, 02:41 PM
Caprico's power is that to weaken the magic of humans, that is his prime ability.

Zoldeo's ability is that to subordinate humans to his bidding.

I like to recall it to what Evergreen said, invocation mages are usually weak in close combat despite possessing large amounts of resources to fight not by themselves.

Zoldeo's true form is a very weak person, he didn't had the power to submit all these strong humans by himself.

However, once he fused with him to force him under control, their combined entity became exceedingly powerful.

Caprico has a powerful body and the ability to weaken humans at will while Zoldio can capture them to do his bidding.

There we go, we have a mage who is physically strong and posses a cheated pokeball ability to weaken the enemy naturally before capturing it.

Now that Zoldeo is gone we have just Caprico who can weaken humans but not control them.

This is a good weapon for Lucy because it can make up for her lack of sheer magic power if she can downgrade the one from her enemy.

On a side note I can help but imagine the face of the other GH members once they discover Caprico has changed sides.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that the weakening effect is Zoldeo's as well:

http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/96341015/10

Basically all the human subordination from weakening to summoning is/was Zoldeo's. I'd guess he started learning it from Hades not long after he got Capricorn. Otherwise it went as you describe, he weakens the enemy, uses Capricorn to defeat them, then captures them for future summoning.

Then when Capricorn wished to leave, meaning he'd lose his best combat power, he got angry and desperate, and tried to use his power on Capricorn in the heat of the moment. Which of course landed him in Capricorn's body as one of the limitations of his lost magic.


I was refering to the gold keys only.
Karen had 2 and Angel had 2 ORIGINALLY until she defeated karen and gained Aries. Layla, on the other hand, had 3 without killing anyone (presumably). Thus, it's rather true that the average no. of GOLD keys that a mage has is 2 unless you go about killing people for their keys.

Ah. I'd say that particular limitation is more due to scarcity of the gold keys than a mark of the user's power. Of the twelve that exist, other than the two keys that Lucy found, the other users known to have them account for 8 of the keys. A mage could have incredible power, but only have one due to being ethical, and only able to find one key not in use.


Note that when layla made her pact with caprico 20 years ago, she has yet to join Love and Lucky, she's well dressed and lived in a huge mansion. She's 16, rich, has 3 keys and this seems to be quite an interesting backstory.

possibilities of layla's background:
a) earned a lot of money from missions which also seems to suggest she's a powerful mage unless she worked her day and night to pay for her affluent lifestyle.
b) came from a rich family of mages ( which also hints that she is powerful)
c) the fact that she has 3 gold keys while mages on average have 2 further proves that she is a great mage.

awy, wouldn't it be anti-climax if in the end, layla turned out to be an ordinary celestial mage and died of a natural death?!

There just seems to be more than meets the eye.

Well, working day and night could explain become fatigued from working as a mage. Then again, going into commerce instead would make sense if her family already had some money.

Skyguardian
February 28, 2011, 02:42 PM
Thanks indeed you are right, we have not seen how subordination magic works. But Mashima reall confused things, in particular i find it quite coincidential that capricio magic happens to be a forbidden one.

I also wonder how Lucy managed to recover all the golden key of her mother. It's not like Aquarius seems to have done it willingly...
That makes just 2 golden keys left, balance and pisces. That's quite astonishing when they are supposed to be the rarest type

It's Libra but no offense. ;)

Liked the Chapter. Next week seems to be a chapter for Cana...
I'd really like to see the fight between Erza, Juvia and the GH Mage.

Mashiro_Luna
February 28, 2011, 03:41 PM
I was wondering if anyone else noticed how the Fairy Tail mages are gaining powers from the Seven Kin. Natsu got the Dragon God's flames (don't know if he'll keep that), Elfman got Rustrose's jet black sword and Lucy got Capricorn. Do you think this will keep happening and who do you think will get te other four powers? I think Gray will get some kind of power from Kain.

Nonlife
February 28, 2011, 03:46 PM
This chapter's pacing was pretty quick; I was expecting Capricorn to be a REAL rebel, the only constellation who doesn't want humans to "command" spirits. It turns out some guy just took over his body for his own personal gain. (Is it just me, or does anyone else think Rave Master was better?)

Gats
February 28, 2011, 04:02 PM
Lucy just confirmed the S-class first test conclusion : she is so damn lucky. That's just like a magic power in her case.

Razh
February 28, 2011, 04:24 PM
I wouldn't be so optimistic. First of all, Mashima took those people off the island for a reason, and I guess it's because he wanted FT to lose.

As for the good side we have:

Natsu - For some odd reason his almost completely revived
Gray - Good to go
Cana - As well
Lucy - As well but slightly handicapped. Out of her 4 strongest spirits only one can fight at the moment and that's scorpio. The rest are resting or in lack of water(she does have Cana but I don't think Mashima would do it again). Taurus, Sagittarius, Cancer and Virgo are all, always more or less potrayed as cannon fodder.
Erza - Good to go
Lluvia - As well

On the bad side we have:

Hades - Not even fatigued
Rustyrose - As well
Azuma - Fatigued but still a great threat
Ultear - As well
Kain - Good to go
Meldy - As well

Now, in terms of numbers FT has the advantage but in terms of power they are in a really bad position. I mean there's still room for Grey to shine and who knows he might even be able to defeat Azuma even though I can't see that happening. Kain and Meldy both seem like the types that really surprises with power above our expectation but Kain also seem like the type that Lucy often fights and beat.n

I just noticed this. Fried and Bixlow are sad that you have forgotten them :(

As for others, Ever and Elfman seem to be pretty out of it, same as Mira. Lisana could still do something, theoretically, but I think she won't. Wendy is support, wouldn't count too much on cats.
For some reason, I see Gazille returning to the fray. I guess we'll see whether eating iron actually helps him heal enough to fight.

It feels like Hades would be able to beat all opposition on the island on his own. Just remember Council thingy. I wonder if Hades is strong enough to actually stop Etherion. If Council does decide to shoot that thing, someone would have to stop it, and among those on the island he's the only one who could even think of trying.
Then again, maybe he has connections in Council itself, like spies that would have sabotaged it. It looked like Azuma wasn't surprised about Council presence, so it's possible that Hades is well informed about it's actions. Just thinking out loud here.

But man, Fried better be spamming his runes and creating elaborate traps over parts of the island. If he doesn't do that I'll be disappointed.

kkck
February 28, 2011, 04:44 PM
I was wondering if anyone else noticed how the Fairy Tail mages are gaining powers from the Seven Kin. Natsu got the Dragon God's flames (don't know if he'll keep that), Elfman got Rustrose's jet black sword and Lucy got Capricorn. Do you think this will keep happening and who do you think will get te other four powers? I think Gray will get some kind of power from Kain.

Good point, didn't realize that until you mentioned it. I doubt natsu will keep the dragon god flames. That was something done by mixing his own flame with zancrows. He does not have a supply of god flames he requires so to speak. I think it is kinda like when natsu got the flames of rebuke. It did not provide a permanent boost. It would be interesting if natsu somehow does improve his flame though, as in learning something from the flame he took from zancrow. Elfman got the arm which is ok but I am not sure about how useful it would be without the rest of the body transforming. Not sure what kind of upgrade grey could get. The limitations of his magic are his own imagination, the shape he can give to his ice. I guess he could use an ice enhancement but that would be a bit strange.

azeria2011
February 28, 2011, 04:54 PM
I wouldn't be so optimistic. First of all, Mashima took those people off the island for a reason, and I guess it's because he wanted FT to lose.

As for the good side we have:

Natsu - For some odd reason his almost completely revived
Gray - Good to go
Cana - As well
Lucy - As well but slightly handicapped. Out of her 4 strongest spirits only one can fight at the moment and that's scorpio. The rest are resting or in lack of water(she does have Cana but I don't think Mashima would do it again). Taurus, Sagittarius, Cancer and Virgo are all, always more or less potrayed as cannon fodder.
Erza - Good to go
Lluvia - As well

On the bad side we have:

Hades - Not even fatigued
Rustyrose - As well
Azuma - Fatigued but still a great threat
Ultear - As well
Kain - Good to go
Meldy - As well

Now, in terms of numbers FT has the advantage but in terms of power they are in a really bad position. I mean there's still room for Grey to shine and who knows he might even be able to defeat Azuma even though I can't see that happening. Kain and Meldy both seem like the types that really surprises with power above our expectation but Kain also seem like the type that Lucy often fights and beat.n

When talking about Lucy's spirits you forgot Gemini who is also considered pretty powerful with the ability to copy everything about their opponent including memory, behavior, and magic.

Also the only reason Taurus, Sagittarius, Cancer, and Virgo(who doesn't seem like an offensive type spirit anyway) are seemingly portrayed as canon fodder is due to their natures and essentially what Lucy uses them for and Aries is more of a support type.

Ero-Sanji
February 28, 2011, 04:54 PM
I just noticed this. Fried and Bixlow are sad that you have forgotten them :(

As for others, Ever and Elfman seem to be pretty out of it, same as Mira. Lisana could still do something, theoretically, but I think she won't. Wendy is support, wouldn't count too much on cats.
For some reason, I see Gazille returning to the fray. I guess we'll see whether eating iron actually helps him heal enough to fight.

It feels like Hades would be able to beat all opposition on the island on his own. Just remember Council thingy. I wonder if Hades is strong enough to actually stop Etherion. If Council does decide to shoot that thing, someone would have to stop it, and among those on the island he's the only one who could even think of trying.
Then again, maybe he has connections in Council itself, like spies that would have sabotaged it. It looked like Azuma wasn't surprised about Council presence, so it's possible that Hades is well informed about it's actions. Just thinking out loud here.

But man, Fried better be spamming his runes and creating elaborate traps over parts of the island. If he doesn't do that I'll be disappointed.

The reason why I didn't include Fried and Bixlow is because I don't think they'll return. Mashima did a dirty job removing them from the island, so, reintroducing them seems unlikely, but who knows?

Evergreen, Elfman and Mira are all down for the counting while Lisanna and Gazille are too heavily damaged and traumatized, to continue. Gazille might come back later on but I seriously doubt that, at the moment. Wendy and the cats are protecting Makarov at the moment and they are all pretty tired to keep on.

I want to see Meldy vs Erza and Lluvia now. Regarding the fact that we haven't seen it yet and next week we're going back to Ultear it wouldn't surprise me they were beaten off screen. Which would suck. Erza is the strongest left in the good side, if she falls then I'm pretty sure it's a loss for FT.


When talking about Lucy's spirits you forgot Gemini who is also considered pretty powerful with the ability to copy everything about their opponent including memory, behavior, and magic.

Also the only reason Taurus, Sagittarius, Cancer, and Virgo(who doesn't seem like an offensive type spirit anyway) are seemingly portrayed as canon fodder is due to their natures and essentially what Lucy uses them for and Aries is more of a support type.

Damn, I forgot about Gemini and that sign is just overpowered. If it were to copy Hades then it would be stronger than Makarov, theoretically. About the rest, I know and I agree but it kind of sucks that they aren't useful. Taurus which is supposed to be the strongest in terms of physical powers does nothing special and always gets knocked out.

Mashiro_Luna
February 28, 2011, 05:52 PM
Good point, didn't realize that until you mentioned it. I doubt natsu will keep the dragon god flames. That was something done by mixing his own flame with zancrows. He does not have a supply of god flames he requires so to speak. I think it is kinda like when natsu got the flames of rebuke. It did not provide a permanent boost. It would be interesting if natsu somehow does improve his flame though, as in learning something from the flame he took from zancrow. Elfman got the arm which is ok but I am not sure about how useful it would be without the rest of the body transforming. Not sure what kind of upgrade grey could get. The limitations of his magic are his own imagination, the shape he can give to his ice. I guess he could use an ice enhancement but that would be a bit strange.

Yeah Natsu will most likely not keep the Dragon God flames but Mashima might keep them to make Natsu more power in future arcs. The Jet Black Sword arm seemed to be pretty powerful so it might be more useful then his other take overs, maybe he will also get the Golden Shield. I'm also not sure how Gray's magic could be upgraded but I think he needs one to keep up with Natsu.

LoS
February 28, 2011, 06:06 PM
I was wondering if anyone else noticed how the Fairy Tail mages are gaining powers from the Seven Kin. I think Gray will get some kind of power from Kain.

It is interesting, but as others have noted the additions might not be permanent or might not be huge upgrades. It is only natural that when you are facing a stronger opponent than yourself that you are pushed to get stronger. Also, why did you chose Gray and Kain, seems completely random?


It feels like Hades would be able to beat all opposition on the island on his own. Just remember Council thingy. I wonder if Hades is strong enough to actually stop Etherion.

He wont have to, when Etherion is fired the spirit of Mavis will rise and protect those on the island.


I hope that's more than meets the eye for Hades to allow Zoldio to be part of the 7 kin. May be he's just making use of Zoldio

You think! Hades obviously is using these 7 Kin, he needs their help to obtain his ultimate goal. He probably cares very little for them, he might care about one or two but I seriously doubt he gives 2 shits about them all.


well now 2 of the 7 kin are probably taken out. erza might also win - the fat guy might not even fight.

so we got ultear left who will escape with hades and zeref.

and the other 2 kin.. would be perfectly fitted for gildatz and the 2 of the raijin tribe.

Erza will probably win over Meldy with her heart, Meldy will become a good person.

Kain might not fight indeed.

Ultear will run into Nastsu

I don't really want Fried, Bixlow, and Gildartz to return since Mashima spent time having them depart. But if they do return Fried and Bixlow will face Rusty Rose to avenge their team mate. Gildartz would go against Azuma to avenge Mira, and Luxus would try his hand against Hades to avenge Makarov. Now, I don't think the above will or even should happen, since it isn't very good story telling, but I wont mind seeing all those high level action sequences.


at this stage i wouldn't be surprised if the 7 kin are nothing more than pawns to hades.

they aren't his '7 children' they've been led to believe. they're as expendable as the rest of his henchmen and as long as his goal is achieved nothing else matters. it makes me question whether hades has a hidden ambition that the 7kin aren't aware of. perhaps somehow taking zerefs power as his own or something less cliche.

Obvious. He might care for one of them, but for the majority he is using them and their power for his own goal. He definitely has some ulterior motive, hence why Caprico didn't know his goals.

I really hope Cana's reason for moping around and being dumb is much better than this fight with Zoldeo. How on earth was this past chapter showing ambition? Well don't worry about that, I just hope this long set up for Cana isn't nearly as disappointing.

White Silver King
February 28, 2011, 06:13 PM
So the next chapter is called Tears. I have a theory. It might relate to Meldy's powers, I've been thinking her ability might be to control people's emotions (it makes sense with how much her varying personality traits are shown when she has any). It would also explain why she is the only one who was given more than 1 person for her big fight (Caprico against Grey/Kana/Lucy/Loke doesn't really count since it wasn't the fight) and why she was given two of the strongest mages in FT (together they could probably take on Luxus). She will probably make Lluvia and Erza fight each other.

But that's happened to Lluvia already but it could go either way where it's a recurring joke with Lluvia or I might just be totally off base.

Mashiro_Luna
February 28, 2011, 06:25 PM
It is interesting, but as others have noted the additions might not be permanent or might not be huge upgrades. It is only natural that when you are facing a stronger opponent than yourself that you are pushed to get stronger. Also, why did you chose Gray and Kain, seems completely random?

You're right they may not be permenant but like most of the things posted in this it is just a theory. I chose Kain for Gray because we haven't seen his power yet and it might be something that could improve him but it was just a random pick pretty much. He might gain something from Rustyrose instead since thei powers are similar. Out of the three remaining kin (those who haven't given an upgrade) I'm not sure who will get the upgrades.

kkck
February 28, 2011, 07:16 PM
So the next chapter is called Tears. I have a theory. It might relate to Meldy's powers, I've been thinking her ability might be to control people's emotions (it makes sense with how much her varying personality traits are shown when she has any). It would also explain why she is the only one who was given more than 1 person for her big fight (Caprico against Grey/Kana/Lucy/Loke doesn't really count since it wasn't the fight) and why she was given two of the strongest mages in FT (together they could probably take on Luxus). She will probably make Lluvia and Erza fight each other.

But that's happened to Lluvia already but it could go either way where it's a recurring joke with Lluvia or I might just be totally off base.
Not sure it would be about meldy. When I saw the tear thing the first thing that came to my mind was urtear. I don't think we will see meldy just yet lol.

Razh
February 28, 2011, 08:14 PM
The reason why I didn't include Fried and Bixlow is because I don't think they'll return. Mashima did a dirty job removing them from the island, so, reintroducing them seems unlikely, but who knows?

No, no, my bad. For some reason I was sure that they stayed behind to see how it ends. Not sure why :blink

It's a shame though. I guess having Fried running around and creating traps for GH would be a huge advantage for FT.

As for your last sentence, I still hold some hope that Erza's signal could be seen even from some distance from Tenrou.
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Not sure it would be about meldy. When I saw the tear thing the first thing that came to my mind was urtear. I don't think we will see meldy just yet lol.

First thing that came to my mind was Cana beeing Emo again. Seeing how the chapter ended and all.

Oh yeah, is it sure that it's "tear" as in crying or could it be "tear" as in crack or fissure? Wasn't paying that much attention to spoilers and translations, but if that were the case, there are better words for it than "tear", which don't cause confusion.
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(Is it just me, or does anyone else think Rave Master was better?)

At times, yes. It wasn't perfect though. Plus it's hard to compare when Fairy Tail isn't over yet.

Nonlife
February 28, 2011, 09:08 PM
Worst chapter this arc...

Well, the battle was settle quicker than you can say "Lame!"; and the guy who possessed Capricorn wasn't that impressive. (So far, the only members who're intimidating are Hades, Ultear, and that one guy who deals with explosions.)

*Is Cana's secret really that BIG a deal now?

Sevenheadedmirror
February 28, 2011, 09:34 PM
This grimmoire heart are as mighty as the espada in bleach... Am I supposed to actually believe this guys are dangerous when they fall like dominos and have only damaged a weakened character?. They literaly pose no resistance to the other character's asspulls. It's like we are supposed to recognize some sort of logic in the events of Caprico and fake nothing happened... how poorer can the writting become?.

exacta
February 28, 2011, 09:54 PM
This grimmoire heart are as mighty as the espada in bleach... Am I supposed to actually believe this guys are dangerous when they fall like dominos and have only damaged a weakened character?. They literaly pose no resistance to the other character's asspulls. It's like we are supposed to recognize some sort of logic in the events of Caprico and fake nothing happened... how poorer can the writting become?.

Well, Capricorn was the strong one, Zoldeo was just controlling him, and since Capricorn got control back and pwned Zoldeo, it almost doesn't feel like a loss for GH lol. But Grimmoire Heart is pretty impressive so far I think. Zancrow lost which was kind of BS, but Azuma has defeated 5 FT members, and Rustyrose was ALOT tougher than I thought he would be. His ability is pretty awesome actually. We've got Rustyrose, Azuma and Urtear left, they're definitely strong, and I've got confidence in Kain Hikaru and Meredy(Melody?) And Hades is a BEAST.

I liked the whole concept of a Stellar Spirit summoning humans in battle.....last chapter had such an interesting cliffhanger, made me think the whole Capricorn/Lucy/Loki thing would continue for a while, but then he kills the whole thing in one chapter.:blink

At least it doesnt ruin this arc lol, unlike what he did with the ending of the Star Festival....now that was lame.

1337 haxor
February 28, 2011, 10:08 PM
Actually, I'm pretty sure that the weakening effect is Zoldeo's as well:

http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/96341015/10

Basically all the human subordination from weakening to summoning is/was Zoldeo's. I'd guess he started learning it from Hades not long after he got Capricorn. Otherwise it went as you describe, he weakens the enemy, uses Capricorn to defeat them, then captures them for future summoning.


Nope, the human subordination (weakening magic) could not have been Zoldio's because at the time Leo spoke of it he didn't know Caprico was possessed.

Leo could only have known so far what happened to Caprico up until the moment he dissapeared from the spiritual world so assuming he knows his fellow Stellar Spirit from old then he is talking especifically about Capricorn.

One could say he knew beforehand of Zoldeo but that would conflict with the fact he wasn't aware the latter could summon humans.

As for Layla there was a criptical line from Caprico stating "Layla became fatigated and retired from her mage work".

This seems to indicate that Layla's magic power began to weaken due to unknown reasons and she realized her spirits could not stay with her.

If you take it deeper it could mean that Layla was being drained by something and she knew by far that would eventually lead to her death.

My hint at the moment would be that the Heartphilia family has something to do with Zeref's sealing given the enormous connection they have with keys.

It could be that a powerful ancestor of Lucy had a major role in sealing Zeref and creating the keys that Hades now posses.

If Zeref's seal began to weaken in the last fifty year due to actions from Hades and other big sons of bitches Layla began pumping her magic and soul to keep it stable.

When she and the dragons realized the darkness from Zeref would be inevitably released they performed some sort of ritual that pushed it back but costed Layla's life and forced the dragons to abandon human affairs.

Hence Igneel told Grandine it was all left upon Zeref and the Dragon Slayers, they had done all they could to stop the mess and now only their choosen children could end what they began.

Lectro Volpi
February 28, 2011, 10:43 PM
I am a bit confused.

Was there any mention or record that a stellar spirit can pass his powers to another? I thought Regulus was for offense and now can be stored? Do we have a record about such thing?

Zoldio was lame but we still have 5.

MechR
February 28, 2011, 11:18 PM
Nope, the human subordination (weakening magic) could not have been Zoldio's because at the time Leo spoke of it he didn't know Caprico was possessed.

Leo could only have known so far what happened to Caprico up until the moment he dissapeared from the spiritual world so assuming he knows his fellow Stellar Spirit from old then he is talking especifically about Capricorn.

One could say he knew beforehand of Zoldeo but that would conflict with the fact he wasn't aware the latter could summon humans.No, the magic is definitely Zoldio's. Otherwise, he could not have melded with Capricorn in the first place. Leo only knew about the magic's human-weakening power, and was surprised by the human-Pokemon and fusion powers. He may have simply recognized the weakening effect from past encounters, while serving a prior master in ancient times.

LoS
February 28, 2011, 11:43 PM
I don't know why so many people keep arguing and bickering about Zoldio's powers or not. The guy is gone, Mashima got rid of him quickly and didn't develop him at all, one of the 7 Kin amounted to nothing and now Mashima is trying to even out the odds (If they were Caprico's powers you will find out very soon and have your answer). There was no real ambition, no real struggle, everything turned out peachy for the good guys. This chapter single handedly ruined a bunch this arc. Mashima needs to quit building up the FT side and getting rid of GH members without good cause. If he keeps doing what happened this chapter then he might as well just skip to the end and not really give us an acceptable resolution, because that is just what this chapter was.

kkck
March 01, 2011, 12:34 AM
Anyways, its not like caprico did not hand grey, cana and lucy their asses in a silver plate, azuma did not defeat mest, wendy, lily, lisana and mira and rustyrose did not destroy evergreen and elfman. Grimmoire heart at the very least will not win in the end (they sure as hell won't fulfill their goal of destroying fairy tail).

Sevenheadedmirror
March 01, 2011, 12:51 AM
The problem with mashima is the absolute lack of explanation. HOW DOES HITTING SOMEONE IN THE CHEST FREES THEM FROM POSSESSION?. I believe I may have considered the fight to be clever if it had been stated before that magic could be properly transferred between spirits, or if any particularity of the ruler's magic had been named before its problems were solved. That way the author lets us play with what we supposedly know, let's us be part of the story. What Mashima did in this chapter was so rushed and, frankly, so incomprehensible:

The goat seems to have a grudge against Lucy's mom, Leo understands this, just that it really isn't the goat, it's another guy who says he can take over Leo's body, Leo attacks clumsily, the guy possesses him, then the goat punches Leo in the stomach, somehow rescuing him, it apologizes despite having saved Leo, showing it is apologetic (that will be our only attempt of character growth and introduction) it's pointed out that it's amazing that Caprico moved and it turns out that was why the clumsy attack was for: giving Caprico powers, so it could move and rescue Leo, the back story of the guy who died is babbled (not explained or actually told) END. May be it could have made sense: Caprico's skill could be moving souls but we didn't knew it, so there's no way we could get exited about it. Every trouble the characters seem to face HAD ALREADY BEEN SOLVED WHEN THEY WERE STATED AS SUCH. So, in short, there's no reason for us to be amazed, or comprehend, their plan.

Other Doubts:
Why isn't nor Loki nor Caprico harmed? I mean even Caprico seemed to need an explanation on why he was able to move but which was Loki's? or why wasn't Caprico hurt, it was astonishing for him to move after all; impossible to move but no scratches?.

White Silver King
March 01, 2011, 12:53 AM
Was there any mention or record that a stellar spirit can pass his powers to another? I thought Regulus was for offense and now can be stored? Do we have a record about such thing?
No, but absorbing someone else's power in order to boost your own without any indication of previously having the ability to do so seems to be the popular thing to do lately...:-_-


I think people have to face the reality that bad guys just lose in manga. If yagami light from death note can get killed being the main characters in his own manga then seriously the espada, akatsuki and grimmoire heart never really had a chance...
-_-; No shit.... But there is a certain skill a writer must have in order to employ that plot point successfully, there has to be an actual wide-spread loss somewhere to provide the characters with room to grow. Mashima has demonstrated he lacks those specific skills as a writer and has proven so repeatedly.

LoS
March 01, 2011, 02:08 AM
The problem with this arc will be that a good person from Fairy Tail will die which in Mashima's mind will excuse the fact that he has Fairy Tail winning a bunch of these fights without good cause. That and Hades will make off with Zeref, so failing to destroy Fairy Tail isn't a big loss. None of this is a good excuse to have asspulls in order to have the good people win. Have them lose, heck have them get curb stomped and utterly defeated, and then they will be able to grow.

I will be fed up if the excuse is they lost a character so that makes everything else in the arc justified, and now everyone will grow up and become megaz stronger.

Zeltrax
March 01, 2011, 03:41 AM
This chapter made me lose interest in the entire arc
and I'm considering whether to drop Fairy Tail.
I have to say this even if people is going to hate me for it but..
Mashima can't think up of a good backstory for layla or capricorn, so he came up with something as terrible as this chapter.
Or maybe he doesn't dare to.
He pretty much squeezed a fight and lucy's mother flashback into one single chapter.
Capricorn is a wasted character, he have so much potential as a villain.

Stop overpowering lucy already.

What a loss,..a huge loss.

Ero-Sanji
March 01, 2011, 03:53 AM
The problem with mashima is the absolute lack of explanation. HOW DOES HITTING SOMEONE IN THE CHEST FREES THEM FROM POSSESSION?. I believe I may have considered the fight to be clever if it had been stated before that magic could be properly transferred between spirits, or if any particularity of the ruler's magic had been named before its problems were solved. That way the author lets us play with what we supposedly know, let's us be part of the story. What Mashima did in this chapter was so rushed and, frankly, so incomprehensible:

Have you ever thought that Zoldio escaped out of fear of dying? Or that the supposed death of the host in terms leads to the escape of the possessor? This isn't unusual to FT or to any other battle manga in shounen. You'll just have to get used to it, I'm still mad at the fact that Natsu won and that he's still up and good to go.

Mashima is always in a rush, that's his thing. FT has 224 chapters but if you look back there is a bunch of arcs and mini-arcs, it's really terrifying how he managed to squeeze everything in there and still manage to make a great story. I mean just the fact that Lucy has 10 out of 12 golden keys says a lot about the pace.

Anyway, I still have great faith in Mashima and in the end I'm sure the arc will play out well. I'm still waiting to see Natsu getting beaten, bad!

LoS
March 01, 2011, 03:54 AM
Zeltrax

Although, I have said everything you have earlier in the thread, and completely agree, I think we all need to hold off until the conclusion of the arc. Because, as we have seen this arc Mashima is acting kind of bipolar. One chapter is what should be happening, and another is something unacceptable. We should hold off our judgment till the end.

Zeltrax
March 01, 2011, 04:21 AM
Although, I have said everything you have earlier in the thread, and completely agree, I think we all need to hold off until the conclusion of the arc. Because, as we have seen this arc Mashima is acting kind of bipolar. One chapter is what should be happening, and another is something unacceptable. We should hold off our judgment till the end.

I agree and although I still have alot to complain and lament about, I'll just take it slow and read fairy tail the way I read Bleach, without any high expectations. Last chapter had me in high anticipation of this week, only to disappoint. The same goes with the zancrow and natsu fight and with hades and makarov.
Not sure why he is acting bipolar, maybe he's trying to even things out and at the near end of this arc, the surviving members of each guild will battle it each other or something but it is just a prediction.
I'll hold off my judgement of this arc but my judgement on this chapter remains the same; it is terrible.

elitefox
March 01, 2011, 04:26 AM
It's quite cute that they are still worrying about the class S exam when they are under siege by one of the most "reputed" dark guild... cannot say powerful since if all 3 dark guild have same power then natsu kept defeating the leader then they are only at the level of natsu XD

tobeulp
March 01, 2011, 08:21 AM
Grimoire Heart well I can manage Zancrow being defeated but with Zoldio being defeated in the way Mashima did is Pure BS but I still hope Mashima will do justice in the upcoming chapters...
This arc is the make or break for Mashima if he could be one of the best or just another great Mangaka.

saya1987
March 01, 2011, 09:27 AM
Now, I'm really curious as to who gave her aquarius and cancer! Can't wait to meet the two celestial mages. Considering that the keys were given away almost 2 decades ago, these mages must be much older than lucy and probably her mum's friends or at least someone that has met her before. May be Layla belonged to one of the bad guilds initially and was fatigued of the mage work and decided to quit for the better.

Anyway, now that Caprico belongs to lucy, etherion shouldn't be a threat. Caprico could easily teleport everyone away.

Razh
March 01, 2011, 09:46 AM
I don't know how I feel about Lucy's army of spirits now. Maybe Mashima could have created a different system. This way, most of the good ones belong to Lucy and if it keeps up like this, she'll become the only relevant summoner in the world.

ghostexiled
March 01, 2011, 09:54 AM
Please try to leave your opinions and spoiler info on other manga at the door.

This thread is to discuss Fairy Tail... not to post on what has gone on in other mangas.

By comparing happenings from FT to other manga... you are running the risk of spoiling others. Also, it is not allowed in a chapter discussion thread dedicated to FT.

There are members here that wish to not be spoiled on any other manga series... so please be respectful of that.

Thanks!

Ero-Sanji
March 01, 2011, 11:50 AM
Anyway, now that Caprico belongs to lucy, etherion shouldn't be a threat. Caprico could easily teleport everyone away.

I don't think so, the teleportation magic seemed like a part of the "Human subordinate magic" and thus further explains why Caprico himself couldn't transport himself but instead relied on a jet pack.

Shiro Tsuki
March 01, 2011, 12:04 PM
Okay -
FT won - Frankly no big deal!

Maybe its our fault of over thinking the whole Layla-Caprico story!
Am sorry but we've been thinking so much out of nothing -
and the whole thing turned out to be barely simple and peachy
- but isn't most of the stories in FT this way...

I feel everyone is rooting for GH to bust FT!
But that won't happen - Will it?
Are we simply expecting way too much out of GH?
YES - they were overhyped - But I guess - that's the story of every bad guy in FT!

Mira is down! Elfman and Eve got ass handed without even able to lift a finger -
Hades pinned Maka - Natsu managed to draw (heh :P)
Albeit - Wendy healin em - Still I'd say FT took some huge damage unlike othr arcs...

Its a pretty cool chapter unless you just want everyone in Fairy Tail to die! :D
Maybe am slightly pissed off with Lucy gaining another golden key!
I mean those damn keys are supposed to be RARE!
The fight to get those keys should be harder -
She got three of em just by defeating one person - and here another strong one drops in!
and the stupid thing is that -
Lucy's battle strategies are as good as my dirty sock! -
She could use Gemini (A VERY STRONG SPIRIT!) or Scorpio -
But she is just going on with Aquarius or Leo (who comes out of nowhere to save her ass!)...

MonsterEnvy
March 01, 2011, 12:23 PM
Well, the battle was settle quicker than you can say "Lame!"; and the guy who possessed Capricorn wasn't that impressive. (So far, the only members who're intimidating are Hades, Ultear, and that one guy who deals with explosions.)

*Is Cana's secret really that BIG a deal now?

Rustyrose is pretty intimidating as well he easily beat Ever and Elfman

Caprico would have beaten Loke if only Zoldio was smart and did not do the body jump

saya1987
March 01, 2011, 12:25 PM
actually, I don't mind her getting more keys. Afterall, she's lucky lucy. Hiro seems to emphasize on Lucy's luck a lot, though in a subtle manner.

Nonlife
March 01, 2011, 12:30 PM
actually, I don't mind her getting more keys. Afterall, she's lucky lucy. Hiro seems to emphasize on Lucy's luck a lot, though in a subtle manner.

I'm hoping some villain uses her luck to his/her advantage, when Lucy gets ALL the keys. Anyway, it does seem like the other way around: the Dark Guilds shouldn't underestimate Fairy Tail.

@MonsterEnvy
1. I forgot about RustyRose
2. I don't think Caprico agreed to merging with his former master. So, it seems to me he wasn't a "bad guy" to begin with; but it would have been nice if what's-his-name was still a threat in his regular human form.

Finale
March 01, 2011, 02:38 PM
The thing about the keys is why does she keep getting almost nothing but the Zodiac ones? We've seen that there are other minor stellar spirits like the sword/lazer combo one Angel used. By giving Lucy some of these that could help flesh out her magic repertiore. Right now it seems like she is only get the big guns.

kkck
March 01, 2011, 02:51 PM
Wonder if lucy will get Ophiuchus. It is a part of the ecliptic and every time the zodiac is relevant in a manga it tends to appear.... Now, wonder how much longer the manga itself has. Lucy has 10 out of 12 golden keys meaning she can't be that far from completing her powers so to speak. I doubt the manga would go long with her not showing any growth either. Zeref already made his debut and he is soon to be released too. Rave was not that long a manga either, just about 300 chapters. Somehow I don't see fairy tail going past 2 or 3 more years.

-Ken-
March 01, 2011, 03:17 PM
Ophiuchus should be in, I think. I just judge from the number of spirit that Lucy mention in her fight with Angel.

I'm not sure if this has been brought up before. But what are the people's thought on the 7 kin level compare to Zero, the master of OS?

kkck
March 01, 2011, 03:26 PM
I don't think most of the seven kin would match up to zero. It took natsu to get power comparable to ethereon to defeat zero and I doubt the seven kin have shown that kind of power so far. IMO the seven kin are more hax than what they are powerful overall. They have strong magic abilities however their actual strength still does not reach that level. I think they are about as strong as the regular oracion members (who were stronger than what people seem to think IMO).

ca12nag3
March 01, 2011, 04:09 PM
the 2 that are defeated were defeated for specific settings.

-Leo is the leader of the Zodiacs he knows all their abilities and since Caprico got overtaken against his will he figured out a way to beat w/e was inside of him.
-Natsu is a fire eater so every fireshooter is like food for him.

It doesnt say the 7-kin are anything strong but they were up against their worst possible foe. And the double edge here is that both Natsu and Leo got their best possible foe to fight against so they arnt specificaly stronger.

In any given situation where Natsu would fight agianst water hes in a disadvantage, against wood,ice,fire hes in advantage. *the uniqueness for a dragonslayer is that the same element always loses against them as well*

A regular firemage vs a firemage would be a equal fight but a dragonslayer fire mage simply eats fire. Same goes for all their elements.

If Wendy were to fight against Erigor in the early arcs shed simply suck up all his wind and blow him away in a instant. *given that she knew how to roar at the time < she tought herself from whitnessing Natsu ofc*

Sollum
March 01, 2011, 05:06 PM
I doubt that Zodiac spirits are powerful just because they are Zodiacs.

Great Ursa it the man!


By the way, i just remembered, that there's "dragon's" constellation. So here is the link between disappearance of Dragons and Layla.

kkck
March 01, 2011, 05:56 PM
When was it said loki was the leader of the stellar spirits?
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the 2 that are defeated were defeated for specific settings.

-Leo is the leader of the Zodiacs he knows all their abilities and since Caprico got overtaken against his will he figured out a way to beat w/e was inside of him.
-Natsu is a fire eater so every fireshooter is like food for him.

It doesnt say the 7-kin are anything strong but they were up against their worst possible foe. And the double edge here is that both Natsu and Leo got their best possible foe to fight against so they arnt specificaly stronger.

In any given situation where Natsu would fight agianst water hes in a disadvantage, against wood,ice,fire hes in advantage. *the uniqueness for a dragonslayer is that the same element always loses against them as well*

A regular firemage vs a firemage would be a equal fight but a dragonslayer fire mage simply eats fire. Same goes for all their elements.

If Wendy were to fight against Erigor in the early arcs shed simply suck up all his wind and blow him away in a instant. *given that she knew how to roar at the time < she tought herself from whitnessing Natsu ofc*

Loki did get to fight someone whose magic was useless on him but I don't think that was the case with natsu. If anything natsu fought the worst possible opponent for him considering that natsu's dragon flame was by all intents and purposes innately weaker than zancrows god flames. It's not like zancrow could not make dragon god flames once he absorbs natsu's flames either (at least we have no reason to believe otherwise). Natsu had to win by acquiring a flame which under normal conditions would be invariably beyond him... Natsu won because he found a loophole so to speak but under any other scenario he would have lost without so much as putting up a fight (which he could not do until the dragon god flame thing).

White Silver King
March 01, 2011, 06:31 PM
Zancrow was the perfect enemy for Natsu. If he would have fought another member of the 7 Kin he wouldn't have been able to get that powerful flame he needed to win. Rusty, for example, could just conjure a car under Natsu and then he could take the incapacitated Natsu out at his leisure.

kkck
March 01, 2011, 06:59 PM
I guess it depends on how you see it. Why wasn't natsu the perfect enemy for zancrow? Natsu had an inherently weaker magic(no amount of natsu's dragon fire would ever so much as scratch zancrow) and only by conjuring a magic beyond his means managed to win. Other enemies would most likely not provide him with a fire to temporarily enhance his own however other enemies would also not be invulnerable to natsu's fire. At this point I would argue natsu's would be a better counter for asuma than for zancrow.

Sevenheadedmirror
March 01, 2011, 08:15 PM
I guess it depends on how you see it. Why wasn't natsu the perfect enemy for zancrow? The infamous asspull magic. :P


Have you ever thought that Zoldio escaped out of fear of dying? Or that the supposed death of the host in terms leads to the escape of the possessor? This isn't unusual to FT or to any other battle manga in shounen. You'll just have to get used to it, I'm still mad at the fact that Natsu won and that he's still up and good to go.

Mashima is always in a rush, that's his thing. FT has 224 chapters but if you look back there is a bunch of arcs and mini-arcs, it's really terrifying how he managed to squeeze everything in there and still manage to make a great story. I mean just the fact that Lucy has 10 out of 12 golden keys says a lot about the pace.

Anyway, I still have great faith in Mashima and in the end I'm sure the arc will play out well. I'm still waiting to see Natsu getting beaten, bad!

Sorry for the late response I logged off after I posted. Good post. I agree with most of it. As you do with me, perhaps without noticing. You see, the whole first post is an effort to explain the result; you are, at best, inferring stuff and show it in your argument construction as something the author may have implied. In other words you're explaining stuff for him, which would be a good thing to play with but the author hasn't given us nothing to do it properly... and hence it adds substance to my core argument: Mashima doesn't explain well and all the problems the characters have faced are identified as such after they have already been solved. But as you show, I am not saying I'm going to drop the manga or saying because of this recurring flaw it makes the manga useless. I'm saying what should have been a crowning moment of awesome (yes, tv tropes sue me) isn't cool in many occasions but just plain confusing or just unappealing.

saya1987
March 02, 2011, 05:20 AM
I wonder which guild layla belonged to in the past. It will be interesting if she belongs to the last evil guild.

As for Gray, Lucy and Cana, I like how relaxed they are. Hopefully, the 3 of them will go against one or two people. It'd be nice to see some team work.

KOrto
March 02, 2011, 03:50 PM
Ahahahahhaahaaha..

No sorry this chapter,is not the one who will ruin this arc,i mean C'mon,Lucy has absolutely need to be more powerful,Zeref is maybe the one who will be the main antagonist,she need more power to face the challenge who will arrive soon..

And praticly all the characters are really powerfull right now,Gajeel,Wendy and Natsu they must control the full power of the dragon force

Lucy also need all the keys indeed maybe she will obtain the Spirit king,and also a perfect control on the Uranom├ętria

Oh by the way,i've maybe an explanation for Zoldio,do you remember when Rustyrose has said that his lost magic was really powerfull but also has really bad side effect ?

zoldio that may be suffered these side effects ?

kkck
March 02, 2011, 05:19 PM
^I think what zoldio and rustyrose talked about are innately different things. Zoldio talked about the rules and limitations of his magic. His magic was human subordination, the ability to control subdue humans to his own will. The consequence of trying to subdue something different from a human was to end up possessing said creature. In turn rustyrose talked about consequences of using a particular type of magic itself not about the rules which govern how to use a magic. Take nirvana, it could revert light and dark but as a side effect it took on itself the darkness from the light that was replaced. We have yet to see the direct consequences of using human subordination or the arc of embodiment.

Kuzumikun
March 02, 2011, 08:40 PM
tear reminds me of cana so maybe but it can also be urtear i dunno xD but i can't wait to see natsu vs urtear!

Nonlife
March 02, 2011, 09:23 PM
tear reminds me of cana so maybe but it can also be urtear i dunno xD but i can't wait to see natsu vs urtear!

I'm looking forward for any chance Jellal/Gerard has to meet with Urtear again. She/Grimoire Heart have been manipulating him from the beginning! (Not that I'm a fan of him, just the unfolding drama. To me, he'll always be a Siegfried clone/wannabe.)