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Tsukisama

March 01, 2011, 11:26 PM

Chapter 114th with updated gernot's translation. (http://mibscanlations.blogspot.com/) The changes aren't significant so unless you're a hardcore Claymore fan I doubt you'll be interested (unless you're annoyed by MangaStream's watermarks).

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Ryus

April 16, 2011, 01:37 PM

spoiler script
Verification: pending
Source: Baidu http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=1053613127 http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=1053615345
Credits: ?... (spoilers I found didn't credit the original source :darn unless the 2CH, 16 was meant as the source) I was just image hunting on Baidu for Claymore pics and saw some posted marked 114 and opened them... wasn't really intending to be hunting for spoilers :lmao

I think I found the first spoiler... needs translation (Chinese and Japanese)

欢迎大家给力的转载和速度翻译。。
2CH，16号发布的最新日文情报
历届NO.1僵尸的三位姐姐们终于要登场！十周年给力啊
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バレ
情报と引き换えに黒服が投降を始める
おなじみ会议室にミリア一人で乗り込む
そこにはリムト、ダーエ、ラフテラとローブを着た戦士
ローブを着た戦士はカサンドラ、调整不足のためラフテラが操縦补助
カサンドラは素でミリアの幻影と互角の动きを见せ、苦戦させられるが
ルヴルが背后からラフテラの首を切り落とし、カサンドラの妖力が暴走してしまう
ダーエがルヴルに掴みかかるが颜面の露出している部分をグーパンされて闷绝する
暴走し続けるカサンドラを见届けたのちルヴルは高笑いしながら后を去る
ミリアは覚悟を决めてカサンドラと対峙する
そんな状况をリムトは至って冷静に静観していた

This part seems to be a Chinese translation of the above Japanese (with some Japanese text too), not sure though so I'm posting it also (BTW this was found on another thread, so I'm just guessing there connected... I'm just thinking it's two independent sources stating the same thing, likely though both are just taking info from a single source and posting them as there own :eyeroll)

沙滩排球
信息和转换哦衣服反正黑开始
我们会在一个人ミリア议室进入
在那里,,和リムト女袍把ダーエラフテラ穿的战士
女袍穿了战士,调整,因为缺乏カサンドラ操作补偿ラフテラ
本源上的カサンドラ幻影和ミリア开始来看,因而使能
长皇后从ラフテラルヴル首剪掉,的妖力是加入カサンドラ了
是在是ダーエルヴル掴みかかる露出的的颜面部分被的闷绝グーパン
暴走下去看了カサンドラ报告是一边ルヴル后离开高笑い
要注意抉择ミリア了和对峙カサンドラ
那样的情况把直至冷眼静观リムト了

Side note... a few places are rumoring that someone mentioned a spoiler pic is on the way (stated as "available when you wake up" since it's 2:45 am in china I'd assume that means in the next few hours...), not sure if this is true :/. But keep an eye out none the less, just in case it is true. :D

White Silver King

April 16, 2011, 03:28 PM

From what I can tell, Cassandra is "alive" again. That's about all I can get though.

Ryus

April 16, 2011, 11:28 PM

Translation of the above spoiler I posted, as translated on Narutoforums by aegon

uhm... not sure because there are a lot of chinese character but:

It seems that MIB begin to surrender. In the mean time Miria goes to the council room where there are klimt(Rimuto) dae, raftera(a warrior I think) and roobu(I don't know if this is rubel/louvre), plus there is cassandra that engages in a fight with miria and they are evenly matched(she easily matches miria's phantom), until rubel/louvre behead raftela and cassandra goes berserk. Dae catches rubel/louvre but because cassandra is still berserk rubel/louvre escapes leaving the scene with an high laugh.
Miria decides to remain to fight cassandra. In council room remains rimuto/klimt quietly watching the scene

HegemonKhan

April 17, 2011, 03:26 AM

How does Rubel behead Raftela?

Where is Dae after "he catches but than loses Rubel" or what is he doing after this?

Rimuto staying there and quietly watching the fight... is he going to "fight" (Awaken?), and that metal plate collar around his neck protects him from being decapitated, and there's also his metal armor beneath his clothes, and we got his bulgy veins and his strange "ridged/bumpy" sides of his head, is he a Claymore/Awakened?

the BCs just surrender... than why didn't the Claymores rebel long ago... why were the Claymores taking orders from these... (censored).... V.V

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if Cassandra is at the Org HQs... than what is going on at the Lab ???

was the "tubes-cassandra+2 unknown rank 1 Claymores" at the Lab or the Org HQs ???

Where's Raki, at the Org HQs or the Lab ???

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Cassandra goes berserk, does berserk mean Awakening ???

so, Raftela was used to control Cassandra ??? but that doesn't make sense as she seemed so weak against Miria... meh

and what about the other 2 rank 1 Claymores ???

FrostyMouse

April 17, 2011, 09:57 AM

Well, if that spoiler and translation is true, then it means that Rubel probably is working for the enemies of the Organization. Of course, he could still be the leader of the Organization and is just interested in chaos and seeing what Miria can become, as you've posited, HK.

In a sense though, Miria and Clare are the only two claymores to drastically improve their rankings. Although Miria expressed some fear at seeing Riful, she's able to fight on par with Cassandra, who should have power similar to Riful. Seven years ago, Miria seemed fearful of claymores 1-5, but now, she's easily willing to go head to head against a claymore who rivals an AO.

HK, I'd say that going berserk probably means awakening. http://somemango.com/alt/Claymore/113/mangastream.com/3/

I would interpret Cassandra going berserk as implying that she was sent out to early and is becoming an AO. http://somemango.com/alt/Claymore/113/mangastream.com/6/

I'm very interested in this chapter. I've always believed that eventually the Organization would fall, but I could never see where the manga would progress after that. Of all the ships that have left the island looking for other land, none have ever come across the mainland upon which the Organization and the Dragonkin are fighting. I can't really see the manga just ending with Priscilla's death, so could really happen from there? The 7 Ghosts taking other Claymores and going to the mainland?

wickedsmile

April 17, 2011, 12:12 PM

That's an interesting spoiler but, imho, it probably is a fake. Rubel beheads Raftela? The man that "indirectly" maneuvered all of the Organization's actions to this point would commit sabotage in person and in open view of others. That is hard to to understand and does not fit the character we have known. It would end the mysticism that surrounds Rubel as well. He could have beheaded Raftela from the beginning and Miria would have annihilated the Organization without any further intervention. That would have increased her chances since she wouldn't have to contend with the resuscitated Number Ones.

Also from the spoiler, it implies that Raftela's presence is required to maintain the mental stability of the three former number ones. That seems like a very big disadvantage and a serious tactical flaw. At least Alicia/Beth and the Twins could fight independently and cohesively.

The actual events will reveal themselves in a week's time. Seems like such a long time to wait. :D

ws

White Silver King

April 17, 2011, 01:26 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Dae/Rubel's intention to have the three revived number ones awaken. I don't think that it would be unlikely for the MIB to be able to control them completely (while their bodies are alive again I highly doubt their minds are back enough for them to think for themselves), and we are in need of 3 new Abyssal Ones and these girls will fit that role perfectly.

As for Miria matching Cassandra, I see no problem with that. Miria is easily equivalent to a rank 2 (and that is being incredibly stingy) but more likely a rank 1. Yes Cassandra is one of the more powerful number ones but people must remember is that Teresa was the most powerful number one in history and she was considered so even when she kept the majority of her power hidden from the Org. Cassandra wouldn't be able to hold a candle to Teresa so I see no reason why Miria can't take her on.

On a side note, if the Big Three (that's what I'm calling the zombies) aren't given ranks, I'm very curious to see who/what takes the newly opened first and second slots. I'd hope it's not another set of SLers, that's been done twice now (unless they have really awesome awakened forms) and it certainly won't be Audrey.

Joe7133

April 18, 2011, 03:41 AM

3 more days, this has been a long wait. Just 3 more days. Spoiler are fun but hardly true. The last 3 month early spoiler we got didn't go so well. :)

Ryus

April 18, 2011, 02:45 PM

spoiler script
Verification: pending
Source: TSS
Credits: eugene is poster on TSS

EDIT: rough translation @ bottom of post.

Good god... found the second spoiler (I think)... it's long. Contains both Japanese and Chinese text... good luck translators (not being sarcastic)

情報
by M1qdVI/T0
搬運by妮妮，翻譯By大好人爾鳴

今月は熱くなりそうな展開で面白かった。
（這個月看起來會因為給力的情節展開而變得有趣呢www。）

組織戦士全てミリア側に回り反撃を行うも深淵喰い全数投入→新ミリアーズ大苦戦中→一方牢獄されているラキ。訓練生の双子に助けられる。
（組織全部戰士都團結在以米米為首的邪惡軸心的周圍，作為回擊的手段（組織）把那些深淵吞噬者都全部投入戰鬥→新米米后宮團苦戰→另外一方面被監禁的垃圾（gene注：其實是拿基）被雙胞胎訓練生所救。）

こんだけの流れだけだったけど、中身がよかった。
（大概的情節就是這樣啦，不過內容（爾鳴註：大概指畫面吧）非常不錯。）
訓練生の双子もミリアーズ側。ラフテラもミリア側。おまけに訓練生全員もミリア側。
（雙胞胎訓練生成了米米派。拉芙緹拉也成了米米派。順道連全部訓練生都成了米米派（gene注：米米后宮擴容中ing）。）
（ラフテラは組織の目の前で裏切りを認め組織の兵士？に処刑）
（（拉芙緹拉就是在組織的眼皮子底下將被認定為叛徒的士兵？處刑））

一見圧倒している風に見えるが、複数投入された深淵喰いに苦戦。
（乍看上去米米這邊擁有壓倒性的戰力，卻因為對方有復數投入的深淵吞噬者們而陷入了苦戰。）
てかリフルの時に全数投入してなかったのか・・深淵喰いは・・・。
（這麽說來深淵吞噬者們在被組織派去推倒莉芙露的時候並沒有被全部派上啊。）

来月は双子と訓練生到着。あとオマケでラキも参戦ってとこか。
（下個月的話雙胞胎和訓練生會趕到。然後作為贈品（爾鳴註：累贅？）的垃圾（gene注：拿基）應該也會參戰。）
まぁかなり苦戦しているし上位Ｎｏ（影追いさんあたりやばい）含め何人か死ぬだろうな。
（因為陷入苦戰的關係，包括個位數排名（影追的妮娜小姐似乎很不妙）在內的某些人估計會領到便當吧。）

あとしょんべん女はミリアと闘った時は手加減してあげたみたい。
（然後就是失禁娘（gene注：應該是說新No3奧黛莉）和米米對戰的時候貌似也有手下留情的樣子。）
事実かどうかわからんが、負け惜しみにしか聞こえんｗ
（真相不得而知，也可能是她死鴨子嘴硬www。）

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他的追加補充：

いつもどおり31Ｐでした。
（本月跟以前一樣還是31P。）
なんか漫画付き付録がついてて、それが合併号のオマケみたいなもんなんじゃね？
（漫畫後邊帶有附錄的内容，大概是因為合並號所以送的福利吧?（gene注：指的是附錄的SDMP小冊子,和Cm沒有關係，具體點這裡））

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いや付録の漫画は別の漫画。かなりページ数ある読み切りみたいなもの。
不是啦付録的漫畫是別的，看下來還有滿多頁的
ラフテラは胴体槍でクジ指されてぶっ倒れただけだからまだ生きてるかも？
拉芙緹拉被槍biu了之後然後只是倒下了，所以還活着麽....
でも組織の目の前だし死んでる確率のが高いか。
但是在組織眼前死掉的確認率不是該很高才對嗎？

其他無關
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Q（路人對於前面的回應與補充）
ミリアとおしっこは戦ってない
米米和失禁娘沒有對戰
リフルにボコられて手負いだっただけ
推倒莉芙露大作戰中那些深淵吞噬者們只是受傷了

A（情報師）
え。ミリア組織に乗り込んだ時に闘ってたよ？
呵。失禁娘在米米闖進組織的時候有和她對戰了喲？
瞬殺だったけど。あれは手加減して負けたといってた。
雖然是秒殺，那是因爲手下留情才輸掉的
筋肉マンは本気でやって瞬殺だったみたいだけど。
肌肉男（No5）認真起來的話應該可以秒殺的……

[ 本帖最后由 eugene 于 2011-4-18 09:55 PM 编辑 ]

Note the bottom 3 parts seemed to be additional info about something but not the chapter... couldn't make it out in google translate though so I kept it encase it was important.
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Very quick sum up of 2nd spoiler translated by aegon on Narutoforums.

It seems a more reliable spoiler than the last one

It seems that the chapter is centred around raftela's doubts about what happened when miria saved her from riful and at the end she helps miria

the problem is that it is only 31 page long :cry

:huh

Must be fake then... Raftela (#10) was stated to have never left org hq. Do you think they meant Rachel (#5) and not Raftela (#10)?

Wait I read it wrong, I don't remember well the new generation name(except for anastasia of course). Audrey/golden-shower alligned with miria, and it seems(not sure) that raftela was surprised that miria was still alive after she was hit in the abdomen.

Plus it seems that in the first part of the spoiler he was wrong and there is a considerably number of page.

at the end someone asks if audrey fought seriosly against miria and he says that she hold back while Rachel, mentioned as muscle man, fought seriosly

LoS

April 19, 2011, 04:09 AM

Credits to Luffy-Kun over at mangahideout

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9207/clay1n.jpg

http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/1448/clay2c.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7109/clay3.jpg

aegon-rokudo

April 19, 2011, 05:20 AM

The spoiler pics seems to confirm the second spoiler that I translated on narutoforums...

Goral

April 19, 2011, 06:20 AM

Found by konart from Animesuki:

more pics:

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1645/7f32a55b462ffa2f3812bb9.jpg (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/7f32a55b462ffa2f3812bb9.jpg/)
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3056/af229e4967081448b8127bd.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/af229e4967081448b8127bd.jpg/)
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5051/bf936522e33f19b52f73b3a.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/bf936522e33f19b52f73b3a.jpg/)
last image (http://img845.imageshack.us/i/df5f8492a867591ef01fe76.jpg/)

aegon-rokudo

April 19, 2011, 07:25 AM

Found by konart from Animesuki:

first pic: miria says: pick your swords

second pic: the mib make a surprised remark that even single digits are on miria's side(even shadow hunter nina number 9) while a lot of single digits are missing

third pic: mib are surprised that she moved the hearts of all warriors. Auldrey says that if miria would have taken even one life of the warriors this would not have happened.

In the last picture: miria gives orders: low numbers fall back\\
this is a battlefield for single digits\\ those with a little bit of skill will offer support\\
they(the mib) have an incredible regenerative ability\\
aim to their head\\ Think of them as stronger than awakened ones.

Goral

April 19, 2011, 07:59 AM

aegon-rokudo

April 19, 2011, 08:27 AM

How do you know that "they" are MiB? Why didn't you just write MiB if text (kanji?) said so (unless you could also read this tiny furigana letters)? Anyway, why would they need Claymores if they were stronger than AB? And somehow they were one-shotted by Yuma and some of them almost pissed themselves when they were facing Claymores

I translate what I read nothing more:

yatsura wa kyouiteki na saisei nouryoku o motte iru\\
They(argument) incredible regenerative ability (obj) are having\\

nerau no wa toubu nomi\\
aim (nominalizzer)(argument) head-part only

kakuseisha ijou no aite da to kangaero\\
awakened ones more than (relation) opponent is (quote) think(imperative)
"think that they are opponents beyond awakened ones"

Looking at the pictures their only opponents are the MIBs(Agents of the organizzation) so that "they" should refer to them

Goral

April 19, 2011, 10:38 AM

So, it doesn't say MiB after all. The thing is we might not have a whole picture here and Miria might have referred to Abyssal Feeders for example.

White Silver King

April 19, 2011, 02:21 PM

He's doing us a favor by translating the pages for us, he isn't putting his opinion in, he's just telling us what it says.

Aegon did put in the MiB into his/her original post, when as seen in his/her later post it was never mentioned in the raw text that he showed us the translation of, after being questioned by Goral. So, Aegon did input a tiny opinion in, the use of MiB, without saying it was an opinion and not in the raw text.

wickedsmile

April 19, 2011, 02:33 PM

Hmm. Lots of single digits are missing. The organization is definitely short on man power, hence the resuscitation of the former number ones.

1. Alicia - Deceased by Priscilla, however the TATs seem to be their replacements
2. Beth - Deceased by Priscilla, however the TATs seem to be their replacements

3. Audrey - Defected
4. Miata. She's last seen with Clarice and Galatea in Rabona, both (Miata and Clarice) defecting from the Org as now knowing the truth about the Org from Miria, they can't go back, and also if they did, they'd be likely killed for failing in their mission to kill Galatea
5. Rachel - Defected
6. Renee - Deceased
7. Anastasica - Defected
8. Dietrich - Defected
9. Nina - Defected

Also, who is number four? It appears that this is going to be another Pieta. From the previous posts, there is implications that the BCs do have substantial abilities.

ws

lordoffantasy

April 19, 2011, 02:33 PM

Goral is rather right. the orginization guys would not have any way to fight off the claymores themselves. and how else wold miria know that their new opponents were only vulnerable at the head. abbyssal feeders really are like advanced awakened in some ways. inferrior in the fact they hold niether mind nor will and can only attack and be attacked, no planning.

Goral

April 19, 2011, 02:37 PM

@ws
Miata is #4 and she also defected. I doubt MiB had enough time to fill her position and even if it would be surely someone much weaker.

lordoffantasy

April 19, 2011, 02:54 PM

Hmm. Lots of single digits are missing. The organization is definitely short on man power, hence the resuscitation of the former number ones.

3. Audrey - Defected
4.
5. Rachel - Defected
6. Renee - Deceased
7. Anastasica - Defected
8. Dietrich - Defected
9. Nina - Defected

Also, who is number four? It appears that this is going to be another Pieta. From the previous posts, there is implications that the BCs do have substantial abilities.

ws

the organizaiton does nto possess yoma abilities. they would not need to create and experiment on the claymores if they had already learned how to infuse and control yoko. perhaps they may have combat skills and survivial skills, since many members run around in a land full of man eating mosnter unscathed.

ohk and number four is miata, who is also a defect, though not fighting. she is the mentally unstable little girl who is immensley powerful. since she has the potential to surpass beth and her sister, both considered and able to turn into awakened of abbysal one level, i infer she might have power similar ot priscilla.
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thigns are heating up. three incredibly powerful claymores are being revived, a rebellion is starting up in full time, the ghosts aregetting a hard hit into the organization, yet clare is still in that cocooon thing with her most hated enemy.
i am most curious, even more than how clare will reenter the fray, is this ressurection that dae is initiating. it sounds as if he has done it before. i might be quoating from a prior discussions, that i apologize, but i just joined the group. and it also sounds like that it could be a source for miria to exploit. think what would happen if she revived teresa, or any of those others, to her side? though she would need a source of yoki, and it seems is what which pricilla's arm is being used.
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@ws
Miata is #4 and she also defected. I doubt MiB had enough time to fill her position and even if it would be surely someone much weaker.

considering that they had assumed that miata could surpass their number one, likely noting that she had the power to become an abyysal one level awakened being, chills me. sounds like priscilla again, whom i find more pity than malice for.
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I translate what I read nothing more:

yatsura wa kyouiteki na saisei nouryoku o motte iru\\
They(argument) incredible regenerative ability (obj) are having\\

nerau no wa toubu nomi\\
aim (nominalizzer)(argument) head-part only

kakuseisha ijou no aite da to kangaero\\
awakened ones more than (relation) opponent is (quote) think(imperative)
"think that they are opponents beyond awakened ones"

Looking at the pictures their only opponents are the MIBs(Agents of the organizzation) so that "they" should refer to them

not likely. someone could have easily rushed to wherever the abyssal feeders pins are and let them loose.

HegemonKhan

April 19, 2011, 03:55 PM

wickedsmile

April 19, 2011, 10:05 PM

Hi Guys:

I would like point out that "translation" is not an exact science but rather an art. Translating word for word from one language to another does not work. The train of thought and grammar doesn't lend its self to such simplistic methods. Translators don't translate words, they divine the meaning and the intent behind the words. Yes, that leaves room for disagreement and discontinuity where one individual may not agree with another.

Most of us read Claymore as Mangastream releases its scanned version. Later, our colleague Gernot gives his interpretation. I don't think there is a single member on this forum that doesn't find Gernot's interpretation as being more relevant and as having greater continuity.

ws

rcfalcon

April 20, 2011, 12:24 AM

I don't speak Japanese, but I do speak German. Wickedsmile is right on with his assessment. The word order in most languages is different than found in English and the Japanese love plays on words that don't translate well sometimes.

Translators have to walk a fine line between divining intent and interjecting small opinions if left with no other clues as to meaning. Different translators will use different English words to convey what they think the meaning is. I would imagine that sometimes it's a very thankless job.

rcfalcon

April 20, 2011, 12:30 AM

From the pic posted in the spoiler thread, I see nothing concerning Raki or the twins. Must be another pic out there somewhere. I can't wait for the new issue so some of our questions and theories get answered.

aegon-rokudo

April 20, 2011, 02:03 AM

I do feel that "they" with Regenerative powers and being more powerful than ABs, would most likely be the AFs, as that describes them perfectly, though a 2nd but less likely possibility are the 3 "Re-Animated" rank 1 Claymores. And least likely at this point are the BCs/MiBs. Though, we can still believe that the BCs are hiding a secret... are more than they appear... but now does not appear to be the time this might be revealed to us, lol.

Well obviously if I saw abissal feeders in that pic I would have considered them the subject of miria sentence plus two things:
1) abissal feeders choose their target with the scent, how did the organization send them against claymores?
2) Miria doesn't know about their regenerative abilities. If I'm not wrong(correct me if I'm wrong) the only information she has on them comes from her enconter with dietrich in rabona here:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/claymore/v17/c090/9.html

no mention of regeneration

Joe7133

April 20, 2011, 02:26 AM

Yes, I'm with Aegon about the AF too. I think Rubel have given information on MIB to Miria but it is not been reveal yet. I can assume that Rubel is another type of humanoid. How else would he detect Rafaela inside a cave.

It's like I said in another post, "Would be very exciting to see Rubel transform into something never seen before with crazy power."

Goral

April 20, 2011, 04:20 AM

@aegon
Which doesn't change the fact you were editorializing here. No one said you're wrong, I've just pointed out that it's not the only option and since you didn't add the information that it's only your educated guess I assumed that it was written so in the text.

As for your doubts, we don't really know much about AFs either. For all we know directing them by smell is only one way to make them attack someone, maybe Raftela could direct them or someone else (their handler/trainer) who wouldn't even need youki for it. We also know they're reacting to any move so it would suffice they would bring them into battle and every Claymore would have to stand still or fight them. And if they were programmed to not attack MiB under no circumstances they could escape at that time. Regarding Miria, we don't know what she knows. Obviously there must have been some information exchange, otherwise no Claymore would have a reason to listen to Miria's orders. And once Miria told them her life story and saw that they bought it (which is a stretch IMO unless they saw the archives or Rubel confirmed it - swords are no proof at all), she most likely asked them about current defences (which would include AFs and I'm sure she wouldn't forget to ask about them seeing how interested she was in them when she was talking to Dee). You could ask now why would she say it if Claymores knew it? The answer is simple - most likely only single digits knew the details so I would guess Audrey would tell Miria. And since she became a leader it would be her duty to inform about it the others.

But I must admit, your explanation makes a lot of sense but there are strong arguments against it. The fact Yuma easily incapacitated them (one could say they could have been weaker version or they could still regenerate themselves or sth) and they were trying to develop controllable ABs for over 100 years when they were more powerful all along.

As for not seeing AFs in the picture, we've only seen few pictures out of at least 23 so it's too early to jump to conclusions. It could also be it's not MiB or AFs she's talking about.
[hr]
Chapter is out in Chinese:
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=1056626118
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I was right, Miria was talking about AFs.
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Weils' summary of the chapter: (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3578418#post3578418)

Haven't been here for some time now...here's a summary of the chapter:

- The MiBs including Rubel are angry the "bitch" is back and are stunned to learn that Audrey, Rachel, Nina, Anastasia, Dietrich and Miata with the exception of the MIA Renee are now their enemies.
- Audrey asks Miria about her left arm since it has not fully regenerated. Miria says that is enough for her to move, and Audrey says that it's foolish of her to think she can destroy the Org without killing any warriors and feels it's a miracle for her to have survived this long. But this foolishness have seemed to move all the warriors hearts and if Miria had killed any of the warriors, the outcome would have been different.
- Rachel says she helps Miria not because of her cause but Audrey agreed to help.
- The warriors conclude that No. 10 Raftela is not with them, which means she has sided with the Org and wonder what to do with her. Miria says not to harm Raftela as she still abides her code. Now that all the warriors follow Miria, her first command is for them to take up their swords and destroy the Org this day.
- The MiBs hold a desperate meeting, indicating the warriors approach and the mutiny of the trainees in the central area, who are trying to escape the Org. The shrimp twins have also decided to aid the trainees in escaping.
- Since Miria is alive, Raftela is questioned by Rimuto why she had not picked up her yoki. Raftela answers that Miria is very strong but also very weak. When Miria was being chopped up, the warriors gave out feelings of confusion, fear, anger and sorrow as well as love and respect. As they still have human thoughts, the warriors will feel upset on killing a comrade. When Miria arrived, the warriors sensed a mixture of despair and salvation from her and developed a strong instinct not to kill her. Raftela concludes that the Org's downfall is due to not understanding the warriors inner thoughts as humans. Following that, Rimuto has Raftela killed to be used for later research.
- Upon learning that Dae still needs time to deploy the No.1 corpse zombies, Rimuto orders the rest of the AFs to be deployed to the frontline, even though they will attack all sides. If any MiB wishes to survive, they have to stay inside the building.
- Miria and the warriors are attacked by the AFs. Realizing that there will be massive casualties, Miria orders the single digits to move to the front to take care of the AFs while lower than single digits fall back. Those who feel confidence to fight the AFs will assist the single digits as support. However, the AFs are gradually overwhelming them.
- Meanwhile Raki hears sounds of combat from his cell and tries to escape. The walls explode and Raki sees one of the shrimp twins, with traineess in the shadows, leaving him with confusion.

lordoffantasy

April 20, 2011, 05:01 AM

HegemonKhan

April 20, 2011, 05:09 AM

Well obviously if I saw abissal feeders in that pic I would have considered them the subject of miria sentence plus two things:
1) abissal feeders choose their target with the scent, how did the organization send them against claymores?
2) Miria doesn't know about their regenerative abilities. If I'm not wrong(correct me if I'm wrong) the only information she has on them comes from her enconter with dietrich in rabona here:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/claymore/v17/c090/9.html

no mention of regeneration

it is true that the manga never displays Miria ever having any chance of knowing about the AFs at all, as, as you mentioned her meeting with Dietrich was brief, and had nothing to do with the AFs (if I remember correctly, dietrich never mentions them to Miria).

HOWEVER, Deneve does mention to Tabatha about how Miria had a hunch about the secret Lab and that to search-sense for the "pre-yoki" of these male ABs from humans.

This suggest that Miria has indeed been doing her "intelligence gathering recon" (or Rubel simply done it for her, lol), and not only found out about the Lab and the male ABs, but the AFs as well.

(a tiny bit) about the AFs:

they have "Priscilla level" Regeneration ability

they're gluttonous appetite and themselves are somehow controlled and/or sealed by the BCs, and they are trained to only seek the target that they've been trained to hunt the scent of it.

this is shown to us, when Dietrich uses the piece of cloth from Riful's dress that the AFs were still standing around, to get them to follow her to the Hellcats pursuing Yuma. This is because Dietrich has seen what happens when they engage each other.

the hellcats will attack anything, and so they will attack the AFs.

the AFs WILL defend themselves if attacked (as Helen found out the hard way, nearly getting killed if it wasn't for Deneve, while they were fighting Isley) and/or any sudden movements as well.

but the real important thing we learn is that when the projectiles from the hellcats (and from the Destroyer) hit the AF, their "Infection Ability" breaks whatever Yoki-Mind control/sealment that the BCs had over the AFs, and the AFs start to attack and eat everything around them.

aegon-rokudo

April 20, 2011, 06:15 AM

Oh well I got the wrong guess then, no harm done

Thank you very much for the translation! As I'm sure I speak for everyone here, we're all appreciative of you translating for us!!!

Super Angillis

April 20, 2011, 07:34 AM

It may not be a big deal that Miria knows about the AF's. Dietrich knew, and I assume she wasn't the only single digit Claymore to know about them. So someone like Audery could have filled Miria in while she was healing.

Goral

April 20, 2011, 09:09 AM

Same Chinese scanlation but of a bit higher quality than online version on Baidu. (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4PNFCZWA)

@SA
Not necessarily. It looked to me she found out about their weakness empirically (although head is always a weak point for every AB/Claymore so it be my first choice for a weak point too).

Shamy

April 20, 2011, 10:53 AM

Read online have been out on MHead Claymore 114 Raw Scan (http://mangahead.com/Manga-Raw-Scan/Claymore/Claymore-114-Raw-Scan)

Goral

April 20, 2011, 12:21 PM

lol
You both gave the same files I did. These are not raws but Chinese scanlations.

shouryuujo

April 20, 2011, 12:39 PM

yeah basically from the chinese scanlations they are fighting the feeders and miria told the lower ranks to back down and let the single ranks take care of them. The organization also asked #10 why she didnt betray them and why she didnt tell them about miria's youki didnt die out and she said they didn't ask so she didn't tell. She also said since the claymores are half human their human emotions moved her and everyone's emotion at that time was "miria must not die".

Goral

April 20, 2011, 01:08 PM

lordoffantasy

April 20, 2011, 03:14 PM

I liked the chapter for some reason (maybe because I've waited almost a month longer) even though I think that writing was sloppy. This "Miria mustn't die" crap is really unconvincing. Somehow when Teresa spared 5 warriors who wanted to kill her, then next 4 plus she killed humans to protect other humans and she protected little girl no one even thought about not killing her. And Miria was intending to kill MiBs who for all Claymores knew where humans' saviors (otherwise they wouldn't listen to them and we've seen on Audrey's and Dee's examples they were loyal) and humans themselves. So she was intending to commit a much bigger crime. Suddenly all Claymores developed a hive mind and knew what must be done.

And with Rafaela I see a contradiction (in a way). Since Raftela could sense everyone's emotions and didn't intend to kill Miria either why did she go with what MiB said in the first place? Why didn't she fake the attack and join her comrades?
And Rimuto killing her just because she wasn't doing 200% of the norm was also a sign of despair and losing it. MiB's end is really near now, I thought it would be harder for Miria to defeat them than that. First Yagi made Miria too strong when compared to current warriors, later he pulled Rafaela just so Miria could survive anyway, now Rafaela's dead anyway and Miria's team is winning. Next MiB will be winning because of resurrected #1 (which BTW is another ass-pull if you ask me since Dae managed to do that only after receiving Priscilla's arm) and lastly Clare will probably save the day (possibly with Priscilla).

I don't like where the story is going but like I said, this chapter, despite all my ranting I would rate 7/10. Maybe it will change later (for a lower rating), when I'll be able to read whole Claymore, without waiting 2 months but for now I was satisfied. But this scares me to be honest since it would seem that if I had 6 months break from it I would gladly read even the lamest chapter ever :/.

miria is far stronger because of the lifethreatening training they have done for those long seven years. more than any other claymore, aside for her the other six, and they could compeltely concentrate on it without having to hunt yoma by order. rafaela wan't focusing on everyone, for another, but only the twins and miria.
lastly the new batch of clayore are following here because the organization guys said she was a monster who wnated to kill everyone. they were all spared., though they knew she could have killed without effort.
how are they winning right now? it is pretty damn even from my standpoint. elite of the claymore versus extremely efficient, if still lesser, monsters. they are gonna have to grind hard to win.
the main difference between miria and teresa is that she is mostly an unkown, a mysteiorus, immensley powerful, yet merciful phantom that appeared from nwohere. also teresa had killed humans, and more than likely the org itnentionally left out the fact they were all heartless bandits and bsatards.
more than likely miria gave them some secret information, who knows how much, after they spared her. probably secretly held her hsotage till they got the truth. now they see the holes in the organization's lies. also nearly all claymore hate the organization. they turned their lives inot a constant and bloody struggle. the majority are forced into the organization, the only, single exception being none other htan clare. in the end most know they cannot find their own way, die in a bloody struggle, or live on seeking revenge. the org has created a system of hatred, despair, and violence that makes it all too easy to experiment.

my fear is that even if, and they likely will win, what happens after. i doubt that anyone that you would list teresa alongside with you want ot become an awakened. they would prefer the claymore slaughter most of the staff and go into hiding than let that disaster happen. also i have a disturbing suspicion, a large hunch, that this is not their only testing grounds. the org might have a mainland facility, where htye are using their own claymores. if they catch wind of this fiasco, they might send warriors to the testing grounds. and the worse part is that these would not be the same as the ones inland. they may well be those who chose to become claymore to fight off the dragon kin...... claymore has left us with much to ponder and a future of new plot twists and turns.

White Silver King

April 20, 2011, 05:56 PM

I liked the chapter a lot but wasn't it supposed to be a double chapter?

Asahina

April 20, 2011, 06:24 PM

Wow, thanks mangastream (http://mangastream.com/read/claymore/22505672/1)!

This chapter was really well done. The only thing I disliked about it was how it was rather redundant. It was repetitive on telling us why the warriors decided to work with Maria and end the organization men. I mean, they could have used the first pages in explaining circumstances or who is a single digit and stuff like that. Especially when the warrior looked too conceited while saying it.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6092/006kza.jpg

It just seemed a little un-needed. I guess Yagi needed to express a message of some kind. Whatever. And guys, what is "Anti-warrior" training supposed to mean? That boy, Raki. They didn't do any experiments on him to make him a warrior? I'm disappointed for that.

My prediction:
On chapter 115-116, we'll be seeing the surprising approach of "OLD claymores" that'll be awaken and ready soon. I hope Tabitha moves the group towards the aid for Maria (http://mangastream.com/read/claymore/48953095/31), cause Maria is desperately gonna need the back-up.

HegemonKhan

April 20, 2011, 06:26 PM

I liked the chapter a lot but wasn't it supposed to be a double chapter?

some thought/hoped it would be, but nope, it's obviously not, sighs.

though Japan does have "some problems", so can't really complain...

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some thoughts on the chapter:

1. Nina is good at Yoki Sensing

2. Miria simply Healed and Re-Attached her arm, but due to this she wasn't able to Heal away her X forehead scar, lol.

3. Renee/Rune is being hinted as possibly still being alive, and thus NOT killed by Riful. (Yay! Yagi didn't forget about her, and clearing up whether she was dead or got away hehe)

4. Raftela (I think Rafutela is a typo, adding in the U accidentally) actually doesn't seem to be on the Org's side, as she never told them that Miria was still alive, and instead went to go tell Rimuto and the other BCs that the Org was F'ed... because they forgot the importance of the Human heart (or Humanity) to the Claymores...

4. Raftela can also sense emotions like Galatea, however she is probably dead now.

5. Rimuto talks about future research... about completely controlling/erasing their creations' minds so they can't have "Human/free-will/rebellious" thoughts.

This also seems to show he seems confident that this isn't the end of the Org... which is bad for the Claymores.

6. Are those Retrieval Unit BCs who seemingly killed Raftela, possibly special/powerful elite guard warriors... ?maybe?

7. Miria gives ominous news that the AFs are too strong for them....

8. Is Raki going to be rescued or killed?

9. I feel that Audrey was only pretending to be hostile to Miria... and that Audrey probably had a big part possibly in the Claymores' "softness" back towards Miria.

10. I also feel that Rachel is only pretending as well, much akin to Undine, pretending to be big and tough, but is really a "softy" as well underneath, she jsut doesn't want to admit that she liked Miria as well, instead trying to pretend she's only being friendly because of Audrey.

11. we learn a bit more about the Org HQ "compound", that it is quite large... and that the AFs were being held behind huge heavy gates... lol...

12. Also... Rubel's still up in the air.... I think... we really don't know anything more about him or his motives or side he's on... imo anyways...

kakavodka

April 20, 2011, 06:29 PM

Epic!! Only downside is that it was too short. It was a little bit of a surprise seeing the feeders mobilized but it kinda makes sense. I wonder what will happen?? Miria says not good the difference in strength is too great. I also think back to when Helen and Deneve first met the feeders. Helen was defeated really quickly, loosing her extended arm and getting stabbed in multiple places in an instant. IMO Deneve and Helen are as strong as single digit warriors probably ranked around #7ish. Proof is that Deitritch was able to dodge both of their attacks rather easily. So in the coming battle probably Audrey and Rachel are gona be the only warriors capable of killing the feeders.

How epic was it that the twins also defected?? Next chapter either the rezzed #1's will apear or Deneve's group will appear and help save Miria's group from the feeders.

White Silver King

April 20, 2011, 06:40 PM

Can't she heal the scar later? Everyone always said Rafaela could regenerate her eyes at anytime she wanted, I'd think fixing a scar would be significantly less difficult.

kakavodka

April 20, 2011, 06:53 PM

There is no way that Miria can regenerate her scar. And there wasn't anyway for Raphaela to regenerate her eye either. Rubel told Raphaela that she could regenerate it but that was around the time that Luciela awakened. Raphaela did not regenerate her eye because she was supressing her yoki in a vain attempt to bring Luciela back to human form. Galatea can not regenerate her eyes even though she is a defensive type. Also Helen lost her eye to the feeders and said that she couldn't regenerate it, leading Deneve to hatch a plan to meet up with Cynthia. So the only way for Miria to get rid of her scar is for someone like Cynthia nd even then it's probably too late since it seems healed over.

Ryus

April 20, 2011, 07:00 PM

My official thanks to Gernot! Loved the translation! ;D

I feared the chapter was almost filler status after peaking at the Chinese scans but that translation proved otherwise.

I'm expecting the ghosts to show up soon and back up the warriors, though hate to sound mean but really hoping some casualties from the fodder warriors happen since this story is dark and should stay that way. I'll expect the named warriors to fall after the 3 for lack of a better word "Zombie" #1s rise.

gernot

April 20, 2011, 07:01 PM

I'm kind of excited that mangastream is using my translation ^^

On a separate note, I found this chapter a little frustrating. Miria is talking about bringing down the organization, but she still hasn't done anything at all. All those MiB that were present simply went back to headquarters and reported that there was a rebellion, and get to plan countermeasures? The warriors didn't kill any of them, and didn't even capture any of them? And Raf(u)tela? Why did she just let them kill her?

Joe7133

April 20, 2011, 09:14 PM

Nice chapter but rather a bit short coming from another long break. January issue was already shorten. February sparked up and we skipped March and went late into April. The quality of the picture has gone down again.

What's weird is how did the Zombie find their way back to the headquarter. I thought the Zombie had lost their sense and could not be control in the fight with the Destroyer projectile.

Claymore is unpredictable as usual. :)

Just look at Rimuto, I think he's a god because he's not even flinching.

Moie

April 20, 2011, 10:09 PM

Well, just read 114 and all i gotta say is... ah... Yagi you sly dog you!

And that can be read both positively and negatively!

114 pros:
- we get some serious action finally.
- the org has to use all their cards now which will definitely be interesting
- we see more single digits which is always nice since, as the women mentioned, there's a human side to the claymores so i'm glad more faces emerge.
- we can be sure next chapter will not be boring

114 cons:
- wtf Rafutela!? I really wanted to learn more about 10's abilities yet Yagi sweeps it under the rug. ty dude.
- Is it just me or do things seem to be moving a little too quickly?
- Miria's rescue was STUPID. Wow! Why not just refuse to kill her then kill one of the black guys or take him hostage. Guerrilla warfare man! Don't give the enemy the chance to defend! Now Miria has unnecessary scars and Rafutela died for nothing.
- Oh c'mon! Raki is now saved!? I personally wanted to see a warped Raki fight Clare w/ loads of drama ><
- Last but not least, UNCERTAINTY. Things are moving WAY fast so... this is Yagi's most ultimate troll. Have us worry about the fate of the org and what will be the aftermath, especially taking those dragonoid creatures into account. I just can't grasp wth this will result in!??!?!?!!!!!!

Due to total confusion, I take my leave. (cons > pros FTL)

ckkdlek

April 20, 2011, 10:51 PM

Like so many others have predicted, this can be a turning point to a huge...HUGE outcome:
1. they destroy organization, end of story
2. they destroy organization, but find out about mainland (As a group) and are forced to fight there
3. help comes from main land, protagonists flee to mainland and are forced to fight the war (to end the organization)
option 3 will be the best in my opinion.
but who knows. seeing dragon kin in action might never happen :(

wickedsmile

April 20, 2011, 11:09 PM

There's two ways for this scenario to end. Miria admits that the AF will likely overwhelm the warriors, as the demons outgun the warriors.

Either Yuma's flying Claymore announces the Ghosts' arrival to save the day or the Ghosts arrive at the Organization to confirm their worst fears. Unless Deneve and Dietrich arrive, Yagi will hand us another Pieta. Realistically, Dietrich, Deneve and Helen are the only warriors that have enough actual battle experience to defeat the AF.

We'll probably see a number of the high ranking warriors fall before Deneve and Co. make their entrance, imho. Nearly two months and we only had a short 30 pages. I need another drink!

ws

rcfalcon

April 21, 2011, 12:20 AM

NNNNNOOOOOOOOO, it was wwwwaaaaayyy too short!!

Too many loose ends as well.
Raftela must have been the sacraficial lamb or something. She didn't even draw her sword. Bummer. Who knows though, Yagi is sneaky enough to maybe let her get a small revenge in that she's not quite dead yet. Most Claymore's can take more battle damage than a few spears and keep in the fight so maybe Raftela can do the same.
We won't even get into Raki and the twin.
I do think that the Org is going to have more than they bargained for after the warriors find out about Raftela. Miria's whole schtick has been not to kill fellow warriors and the MiB go ahead and show their stupidity by killing Raf. Not a smart move.
I wonder how Rubel is going to handle all of this. It almost appears as if he took off.

HegemonKhan

April 21, 2011, 12:25 AM

What do you guys/girls think about RafTela/RafUTela:

Did Raftela know she was going to be killed, and why did she then accept it and go to her death? Some sense of duty, it's her job to report or to atone for her failure to stop the rebellion? Or, to "Rub it into Rimuto's Face", saying they're (the BCs) going to get killed even though she's the first to get killed...

or whatever else?

and, do you think she's dead or not?
.

rcfalcon

April 21, 2011, 12:28 AM

Goral

April 21, 2011, 12:47 AM

(...) I found this chapter a little frustrating. Miria is talking about bringing down the organization, but she still hasn't done anything at all. All those MiB that were present simply went back to headquarters and reported that there was a rebellion, and get to plan countermeasures? The warriors didn't kill any of them, and didn't even capture any of them? And Raf(u)tela? Why did she just let them kill her?
My thoughts exactly.

Suddenly Audrey seems to know Miria well, although I must admit it wasn't that hard to figure out that Miria would spare Raftela. I'm more annoyed by the clichéd text that was inputted here only to fill the chapter. And everyone excepting Miria being a leader is also a bit strange. She's the strongest, sure, but that doesn't mean she's the best leader and the only way Claymores could know her skills as a leader was when she informed them about AFs (which was after Audrey said they're to obey her). Which BTW begs the question, how did Miria know they're strong if she couldn't sense them? Did she assume it because they defeated Isley? And as usual in shounens, Miria had the time to say 10 sentences without anyone being attacked by AFs (because AFs would certainly stop attacking and wait for Miria to finish), heh. Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm nitpicking.

Some will say "setup-chapter", some (me for example) a filler chapter. Although like I said, I liked it.

About Raftela going to the lion's den, maybe Raftela had absolute faith in MiB and these assassins were probably near her from the start plus she couldn't sense them. So when they moved (and not by much since spears have a long range) maybe she thought more along the lines "I'll be thrown to some dungeon now" and not that they would kill her. Especially since there was no reason to, she didn't break any of the organization's cardinal rules, only didn't tell more than she was asked. It could also be that they're a bit faster than normal MiB. Maybe not Claymore fast but ninja fast ;). It could also be she naively thought MiB will surrender seeing how she was confident they've already been defeated.

Another thing that's bothering me - I don't really see a purpose for this prison where Raki is being held. MiB aren't that forgiving or merciful to sentence someone to imprisonment only. And Claymores would be able to destroy such cell easily. So why was it there? For whom? Did they imprison slaves there and then changed them to Claymores? But that could antagonize their future warriors. Was it "just in case place"? Seriously?

@lordoffantasy (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2403410#post2403410)
Yeah, Miria had a huge power up. But she was a mere #6 and she knew herself that between #6 and #5 was a huge gap (that was Miria of the power she had in Pieta saying that). If Galatea had her eyes or Miria wasn't cloaked I wouldn't be sure Miria would win. Especially if Galatea released youki.

BTW, no one noticed that I made a mistake and instead of Raftela I've written Rafaela and you even did the same :D.

Joe7133

April 21, 2011, 01:39 AM

Hmmm, another interesting fact on this chapter. Only Dietriech from the new generation claymore knew about the AE existence.

http://mangastream.com/read/claymore/22505672/19

gernot

April 21, 2011, 01:56 AM

I think that the strongest Claymore is always chosen to be the leader, regardless of leadership qualities. That's consistent with how it was in Pieta or on any awakened hunt. The warriors may have purposely chosen to follow Miria, or they may have simply chosen to defect from the organization and then Miria as the strongest became their leader.

What overwhelms me is that Miria apparently didn't discuss any of her plans with anyone. The sentence "Lower ranking warriors stand back" just doesn't quite cut it. How about: "Lower ranking warriors, proceed into nearby buildings and hunt down MiB. Xyz's group, contact the group in the North and let them know of the plan we've discussed, then join the trainees and assist them in destroying facilities". They don't even have to fight the AE. The AE are not specifically targetting the warriors, they're just running around attacking whatever is in sight. So get out of sight... just break thru to the org and leave them be... but of course that would be too smart, I'm sure they'll be fighting for a while, until the #1s are ready. It really seemed to me that the trainees have more of a plan than Miria, she seems completely unprepared...

As for the #1s, there's three of them... Miria would be matched up with the one that was also cut to pieces :). Teresa... her youki draws Priscilla out of Clare's cocoon and they get to fight again. Which I guess leaves the third one for... Clare? But there's no way Clare would fight anyone other than Priscilla as long as she's still alive. I wonder how that will work out :) Of course we don't even know yet whether Teresa is actually one of the three. After all, part of Teresa's body was used to turn Clare into a Claymore, so was Teresa's body still "complete" enough to be used? And of course we don't know what the #1s will do. I'm guessing at least some of them will awaken. The ones that don't... will they follow the organization? Maybe, but maybe not. If they're in roughly the same state of mind as when they died, at least Teresa will probably not... It would be kind of convenient if one (or all) of them awakened and destroyed the org, then Miria wouldn't have to soil her hands, she seems reluctant enough to take any action as is. Funny how the warriors have no scruples cutting down awakened beings, but they have yet to kill a single MiB...

I wonder what the surprised look on the little twin's face was all about when she saw Raki. She senses something about Raki, maybe youki? At least we know we get to see more of Raki at the beginning of the the next chapter, there's no way Yagi will give us just two pages and then switch context again.

thornofcarrion

April 21, 2011, 04:01 AM

Good chapter, Miria looks hot with X on her face :p. The attack on the Organization begins finally. Poor Rafutela, she gave them important information for their future experiments. Its a different story if they will succeed in eliminating every shreds of humanity from Claymores or not.

Nefnora

April 21, 2011, 05:14 AM

Mjeah... mhhh... so... rather disappointed.

Some others mentioned it before, but I'll repeat to strengthen the point:

No talk, no tell
1) Audry still needs to explain Rafutela to Miria.
2) Audry seems to be the authority figure before she litterally hands command to Miria.
3) Rachel still 'needs' to tell Miria she doesn't approve of her.

This suggest there has been little, if any, communication between Miria and the others. After all, it's unlikely they would have forgotten to mention the 'oh so important' sole anti-warrior Rafutela if they actually sat down and talked. And determining who's the leader AFTER you've shown you're rebelling is an incredibly stupid thing to do, unless you had no chance/time to do so before. The same goes for Rachel's small talk. Moreover, judging from Miria's commands, no battle plan was made either.
WTF? All of this should have been done before the rebels showed their true colors.

Reasons to follow
Yagi explains why the claymores didn't kill Miria. Unfortunately, he fails to explain why the hell they are following her. The whole "you didn't kill us, so we're yours to command" just doesn't cut it! There is no way they would abandon the organization unless they had real cause to do so. Sure, the organization treats the warriors like disposable trash, nothing new, but the sole reason for the claymores to be what they are (were) is to protect humans from youma. Until they're told - and given proof, that the organization actually created said youma, they have no reason to defect en masse.
Urgh! Miria, you suck as rebel! And you claymores suck for abandoning humans!

Rafutela's speech
One word: corny.

Abyssal Feeders

They don't even have to fight the AE. The AE are not specifically targetting the warriors, they're just running around attacking whatever is in sight. So get out of sight... just break thru to the org and leave them be... but of course that would be too smart,

Dietrich, stationed in the west, knew about the AFs because she'd seen them (several times). Miria met Dietrich in chapter 90, when Dietrich had a message for Miria, from Deneve and Helen (Isly/Easley died). During this time, Dietrich provides Miria with limited information about the AFs.

"The Abyss Feeders are hunters; they release no youki themselves, and track their target by scent alone. It is unlikely they will persue you directly, but nevertheless, you should be cautious of them." (link) (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/claymore/v17/c090/11.html)

Deneve should have been more specific in her message (what do they look like, what is their weak spot), but yeah... Also, we can be pretty sure Dietriech provided no additional information:

"But I have no intention of offering such information of my own accord." (same page)

This means at that point in time, Miria had no knowledge of what the AFs looked like. Dietrich didn't mention the sowed up eyes and mouth, nor the amazing regenerative ability. Miria didn't meet up with Deneve or Helen either, nor any other warrior with knowledge of the AFs as far as we know. Fast forward to chapter 114.

Chapter 114 clearly shows Rachel and several other claymores (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/claymore/v18/c114/19.html) have no idea what 'those creatures' are. This allows the following possibilities:

1) Other than Dietrich, Deneve and Helen, no claymore had additional information to give Miria.
2) Some other people knew, but failed to tell Miria.
3) Miria was told, but failed to tell the others.

Number 1 is unlikely. NONE of the other claymores knows about the AFs? Sorry, but I just don't buy that. As for number 2 and 3... crappy communication was suggested, but still... really? I can't imagine Miria would fail to enquire about the orgs weapons or fail to properly instruct the other rebels. And yet, that seems to be what's happening.

Hmmm. I'm loosing my trail of thought. I'm just not sure what to make of this. The point I was trying to make was that Miria might not even know these creatures are the AFs. If that's the case, her strategy isn't too surprising. But it is just... WEIRD. How can she not know?

Repress things of that level by force
Why are they talking about the twins in such a way? Sure, 'their level', can't compare to Alicia's and Beth's, but the trainee twins are no joke either. And how does the organization even have the strength to 'repress things of that level', when all the powerful warriors defected? No offense, but from what we've seen, no amount of "organization's men (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/claymore/v18/c114/11.html)" is going to cut it.

Unless the organization has another type of warrior, apparantly male, conveniently never mentioned before, and yet powerful enough to take down the twins who are "using the strength of their awakened bodies". But if the org had such warriors... Why would they even call back all the claymores to HQ when they realized they'd be attacked?
... Screw this. Yagi just added another plothole.

The MiBs are saying they have a force powerful enough to repress two trainees who, in turn, were powerful enough to give Miria trouble who, in turn, had little trouble taking down 35+ claymores simultaniously. Sure, Miria mainly had trouble with the twins because she held back, but she held back against those 35+ warriors as well. Which means those 2 trainees gave her more trouble than the 35+ warriors (including several single-digits). And yet, regardless of cassualties, the org claimes to have a force powerful enough to subdue those two.

Why would the organization even create claymores if they had men/warriors more powerful than them?

Ok, I admit. The org could be talking about massive numbers rather than raw power, but even then... no matter how many ants you're going to send, they're still going to get crushed. They've got to be cats at the very least. If not a plothole, it still raises some very serious questions. With the whole "Why would they even call back all the claymores to HQ when they realized they'd be attacked if they had such a force?" as the least of them.

Cell
I'm not too surprised to find Raki locked up in a cell. Dae & co would need human specimen to experiment on as well, and I see no reason not to keep those specimen locked in a cell until their time has come. What surprises me is that there seem to be no after effects what so ever from being perforated by two parasitic rods.

As far as I'm concerned, Raki is the only good thing that happened in this chapter.

HegemonKhan

April 21, 2011, 05:32 AM

Hmmm, another interesting fact on this chapter. Only Dietriech from the new generation claymore knew about the AE existence.

http://mangastream.com/read/claymore/22505672/19

AF = AE = Abyss Feeders = Abyss Eaters (different translations, somtimes feeders is used sometimes eaters is used)

this makes sense (and it has came up before in the past, hehe)

the AFs would horrify the Claymores, as their Organization is creating the very "monsters" that their entire purpose is to kill to protect the Humans from!

So, the AFs had to be secret from their Claymores (along with according to Miria/Rubel as the NY/Yoma coming from the Organization when they arrived on the island 100 years ago, as the island had never known of Yoma over 100 years ago, and we also know that the Org still makes male AB "town Razing - shock troops", to destroy towns that don't pay up such as Dietrich's town, and the failed attempt on Rabona too).

In fact, the Claymores had believed the Org's lie of how the Pieta Battle/Isley's gathered army of ABs was the reason of the change in their policy in actively hunting down and killing ABs...

The truth that the Claymores didn't realize, they were "gathering resources/materials" (ABs' flesh) for the MAKING of the secret AFs... :D

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You're right that Dietrich is the exception to this... somehow or for some reason... she knows the AFs... knows them very well... for reasons/circumstances we don't know yet...

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Why the look on the Claymores' faces upon seeing Raki:

1. He's HAWT, they are smitten in love! it's harem... time!!! J/k :p

2. he's a MALE human! it's one thing for a female human to be in a cell, awaiting implantation possibly, but a MALE human... it could cause the Claymores to question whether the Org is making male Claymores/Awakeneds wrongly from seeing Raki... lol...

3. he's not human...

zushiko

April 21, 2011, 06:37 AM

Thoughts about this chapter:

Audrey - I think of all the claymores in there she's the only one with confident on battling those AF's. She has quite some attitude. I hope she will do well though. Shes also knowledgeable. How did she gain information about Raftela? She even knows about the anti-warrior training?

Rachelle - I get the idea that shes more likely Undine. I think she has the firepower in her but needs assistance.

Nina - from the first time I saw her technique I really had an impression that she was indeed good at yoki sensing. However her technique wouldnt be efficient in battling those AF's coz they dont emit yoki at all.

Miria - shes being too predictable and sluggish. didnt she had time to deal with those MiB outside and yet she just waited there until they released those AF's? Too bad she didnt anticipated those AF's. Moreover she needs to prepare a battle on those 3 #1's.

Raftela - I think shes not quite dead yet. And yet I dont think Rimuto will let her live. Maybe Yagi wont just simply kill her off. I think she looks beautiful?

About the shrimp twins I think she was not expecting to see a male imprisoned in the org. She was with some reinforcements I think. All those trainees I think its some considerable force to reckon with. Are all those trainees also twins?

Are we getting claymore this coming May or not? Too many cliffhanger and too short chapter. After one and a half month of waiting . . . oh well its still worth the wait.

I know they are having a golden week next week so theres no major mangas to be released but after that week will they release it or not?

off topic:(oh btw does anyone of you would like to participate in the golden week event? would you consider me in forming a team?)

Goral

April 21, 2011, 07:18 AM

I think that the strongest Claymore is always chosen to be the leader, regardless of leadership qualities. That's consistent with how it was in Pieta or on any awakened hunt. (...)
Not exactly. Irene seemed to be the leader of the death squad and Priscilla was listening to her (until she snapped at least) even though she was #2 and much stronger than her. Also, Clare was at least as strong as Flora but she wasn't assigned a leadership. That was partially because everyone thought she was weak but Miria should have known better knowing what she could do earlier and seeing that she received a huge power up (Miria herself commented the arm Clare had was powerful).

As for Miria's orders, I also wondered why the weaker ones didn't attack MiB and my explanation for that was rather simple. Most of the Claymores, especially weak ones are confused and scared, probably even panicking. And with AFs all over the place even simple retreat isn't simple. Mostly because Helen and Deneve couldn't kill even a single AF and I'm pretty sure their strength now is comparable to Audrey's. What's more AF was so strong that even Riful commented that "this is the first time anyone’s gotten me this badly". Which means everyone besides Miria would have real difficulty handling them. So while escaping seemed the most logical decision, executing it could be a problem. And as Joe7133 noticed it seems that Dee was the only one who knew about AFs, or at least she knew the most. Although Miria somehow knew about it so it's possible that Audrey told her for example and Miria as a leader informed the rest about it as I've written here. (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2402365#post2402365)

As for the surprise on shrimp-twin's face, I would go with one of the options HK wrote. AFAIC seeing male without wiry head and veins all over the face or other disfiguring for the first time might have startled her a bit and Yagi likes to use exclamation marks for trivial things. Or she really sensed him but then where is his strength (it's hard to tell whether his hair and eye colors changed)? Even a weak Claymore should be able to destroy a wall. Not to mention MiB would have no reason to change him since male AB awakened soon after becoming Claymores anyway (unless Priscilla's arm or hellcat made the changes). The interesting thing is though, if twin didn't sense him then Raki/Lucky was really lucky he was kneeling. Look at how low her attack was going, she could have easily killed him:
http://i.imgur.com/PwcbKl.jpg (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3578884#post3578884)

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@zushiko
Good points. As for Raftela, maybe Audrey talked with her to know which side she was on (after all they also must have known that Raftela must have sensed Miria's alive which would imply she was on their side). Or during the time Miria was healing her wounds they've looked into archives.

Also, good point about Miria. You're absolutely right, instead of "phantomming" and instakilling everyone (MiB that is) she made a performance.

As for Claymore, we won't see next chapter till June. Maybe there should be a sticky topic informing about it?
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@Nefnora (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2404323#post2404323)
Wow. What a great post. http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.global/smilies/bow.gif
I agree with almost everything. Somehow I've missed your post, maybe I'll address some of your great points later.

Nefnora

April 21, 2011, 08:45 AM

Thanks Goral :)

Abyssal Eaters
I've been thinking about the Abyssal Eaters some more and I think I can believe Miria knows that's what those creatures are. Or at least assumes that's what they are.
If you're told the organization has a new type of monsters running around, called Abyssal Eaters, and you witness a bunch of weird creatures you've never seen before at head quarters, it's logical to assume those are the new monsters you've been told about... right? Even if none of the other claymore told you what they looked like. After all, how many new types of monsters can the organization create in just seven years?

So, anyway... back to the main issue. Even with Miria knowing/suspecting they're the AEs, Deneve (using Dietrich as messenger) still didn't tell her the AEs weaknesses. Miria doesn't know the AEs won't attack if you stop moving (which would be a pretty useless strategy anyway), and she doesn't know how the AEs are 'imprinted' with a target. All she knows is that the AEs track by scent. Unless the other claymores told her otherwise, but we've seen nothing to suggest they did.

That being the case, Miria's strategy actually makes sense.
The thing is, trying to run and hide is pointless if your persuers will find you regardless, by just following your scent. Also, 'running and hiding' usually means 'splitting up' as well. Normally this would help to maximize the number of those getting away, but Miria just found out these creatures are hard to kill. So it's better to group together and take a stand, rather than allow your allies to be picked off one by one.

Raki
To clarify what I meant with 'no after effects what so ever': the parasitic rods hit Raki in his left shoulder (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/claymore/v18/c109/4.html). Yet in chapter 114, we see Raki using his left arm normally and even ramming the bars with his left fist. Also, we don't see any wounds or bandages and we don't even see Raki flinching because of the pain.

Chapter 109 takes place after Miria attacked HQ and after the organizations set those ABs on Rabona. I'm not sure how much time passed between 109 and 114, but regardless...*
Even if we assume Dae managed to remove the rods properly, doing as little damage to Raki's shoulder as possible, there is still no way a human like Raki could have magically healed such a badly injured shoulder in such a short time.

Of course, this might strengthen the argument Raki isn't entirely human anymore. Which I'd actually hate =_=.

As for Raki being in the cell... thought about that a bit more some well. Raki being in a cell isn't odd. But the location of said cell actually is... Or maybe not. It was said the trainees were 'destroying the facilities'. I figured they meant the training facilities, but perhaps they've expanded their range of destruction. So exactly how thorough are they going at it? Hmmm... Yeah... guess I'm still not surprised with Raki meeting the twins.

* It can't have been that much because Deneve's group set out towards HQ pretty much immediately and still hasn't reached HQ.

colonywars

April 21, 2011, 10:55 AM

Hello :)

Any way it is a nice chapter. It is been a long time of waiting, but it was worth it. Some plots where resolved, others still are missing. When We finally see, what is happening with Clare? Because I personally do not want wait another "x" numbers of chapters to come back to main plot of events :/ And there are new questions and plots, that keeps tightening the atmosphere of total disorientation. But the fight of Claymores against AE (Eaters not Feeders) could take at least 3 to 4 chapters, as in manga Org needs few hours to finish resurrection of former # 1, so or Miria will defeat them already and stop this process, or others Ghosts will come to the rescue, or Org will release final weapon of destruction. Then, maybe, it will be this cumulation point on which We all are waiting for:) (not to mention again, when Yagi will bring back Clare plot to life?)

And to HegemonKhan, Raki with Harem of Claymores trainee as an leader of their rebellion.... :) Clare will be jealousy, not to mention Priscilla so maybe this cause their awakening? And it will back things to beginning and proper path :)

And also about Raki, He already has something from Yoma, so maybe He also posses some regeneration ability?

And I think that Rafutela will come back, Claymores can take a far more deadly strikes from tentacles, so because that "ninja squad" had remove their lances, She will begun slowly to regenerate her damages and finally She will attack Org from surprise. Thus I wonder when it will come to fight Miria against that ninjas, If they have any chances against Claymores? Or they have some special abilities, as an personal, last line of Org defense?

To Nefnora, brilliant analysis :) I am also agree with Yours theories and conclusions :)

But We will see, and I hope that another chapter will come much faster than this one :)

Have a good day :D

White Silver King

April 21, 2011, 03:46 PM

Realistically, Dietrich, Deneve and Helen are the only warriors that have enough actual battle experience to defeat the AF.
I Think Anastatia will be of great use. Her ability is very helpful against stupid/mindless opponents and that's exactly what the AF are. She should be able to take out at least 1.

Super Angillis

April 21, 2011, 04:24 PM

Yeah, I can see Ana making her entrance by pulling someone to saftey. Right after Yuma takes off a head. However it's going to be hard even with the reenfrocements. Unless Dee has figured out something they can exploit. And honestly unless the revived #1's are a let down, they are going to be in trouble. About the only thing that could help them their would be if Claire emerges as some sort of "Super Claymore".
Got my review up.

HegemonKhan

April 21, 2011, 06:57 PM

I just remembered something in this newest chapter:

Audrey seems to have said that she wasn't fighting Miria seriously... and Miria seems to be in agreement... does this mean that Audrey could have actually pwned Miria, but instead let Miria and the Ghosts "Rescue" her from Riful, possibly using this to get information out of them as she pretends to be unconscious, and than again when Miria attacked her at the Org HQs, maybe testing Miria, if she'd try to kill the Claymores or not?

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in light of this possibility, what do you think:

who's more powerful/better/dominant/superior?

Miria or Audrey ???

is Audrey "weak" or is Audrey actually very powerful, and was only pretending to be weak?
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about the AFs:

1. they are VERY FAST*, Miria would be the only one possibly able to flee, and maybe even she can't, even she might be too slow!

*from the Org HQs, the AFs leading A+B (like bloodhound dogs leading horseback humans on a hunt) zoom across the island passing by Rabona and being sensed by Miria+/Tabatha and Galatea to go kill the last AO, Riful... or so the Org thought...

2. those "rules" of the AFs only apply while they're under the Org's control (Mental-Yoki control/sealment?), which these AFs are not. These AFs will gobble everything up, moving or not, as they're not under the Org's control/sealment....

Hence Rimuto saying this:

~"Do not go outside BCs, if you don't want to be killed+eaten by the AFs!"

The AFs will "cleanse" the outside of the Org HQs for them :D

TheCatintheHat

April 21, 2011, 07:42 PM

Hi guys.
Someone mentioned that this could not be the only place where the Org is stablished, which I think could be very possible since we know about a continent, and the Claymores are the experiment to battle Dragons or another kind of monster. Nobody knows if there are other experiments in other parts of the continent, but as Rimuto intended to say they will make another researches to improve Claymores and erase the human factor, in this case the feelings, so Why the organization would have an unique research center if they considered this rebellion could happened ???

I think in the next chapter the ghosts could reach Miria and help her. Other thing that I need an explanation it is about why they train Claymores with a youki control ?? I know that this is for youmas, but how is this going to work with the dragons or monsters outside???? Maybe is a hint or clue.

HegemonKhan

April 21, 2011, 07:53 PM

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "why train Claymores with a yoki control"...

do you mean why do they have a special Claymore like Raftela (as the set specialized rank 10 spot) who is able to control other Claymores ?

do you mean Yoki Sensing? and thus what good is Yoki Sensing against the Dragons?

do you mean why do some Claymores have the Yoki Control/Manipulation ability ???

are you asking about the control of the AFs ???

I'm not sure what you're asking about :(

could you try to re-explain what you meant by what you said ? "yoki control" is too vague for me... I'm not sure which/what thing you're asking about :(

my apologizes for my confusion and not understanding... :(

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okay... let me try to take a guess and hopefully give the answer you want, hehe

The BCs don't want their Claymores to turn on them (the BCs) and kill them (the BCs), so the BCs have always selected a Claymore whose abilities and/or yoki abilities can be used to specialize in dealing with such a Claymore rebellion as we're seeing now. Raftela was such a Claymore, except she chose to rebel as well, and that obviously greatly angered Rimuto and had Raftela seemingly killed for it. Raftela was suppose to stop or prevent the Claymore rebellion from happening. Raftela was suppose to protect the BCs from a Claymore uprising/rebellion.

TheCatintheHat

April 21, 2011, 08:02 PM

Sorry ji ji ji

Yes, that Claymores like Raftela and Galatea, how their abilities to sense Youki and control it could be useful against to an enemy that is not a Youma or has Youki????

HegemonKhan

April 21, 2011, 08:14 PM

no problem, and it was me who was slow/unable to understand you! sorry!

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well, if the enemy doesn't have any yoki, then their ability wouldn't work, as for the most part the Yoki Control or Yoki Manipulation abilities seem to use Yoki to effect other Yoki using opponents through their own use of yoki.

I don't think Raftela or Galatea (or the Destroyer or some of the Pieta Battle ABs - the others to have Yoki Control and/or Yoki Manipulation abilities) could control or manipulate Humans for example.

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it's never said, but I think the Dragons do have Yoki, or an energy that is very similar to Yoki energy anyways.

the closest we get is this:

on the continent, the Organization creates male Claymores/Awakeneds to battle the Dragons, however they don't use the term Yoki, but instead "Energy release" (if I remember correctly, too lazy to look it up though).

but this just talks about the male Claymores/Awakeneds type of energy on the continent, but nothing about the Dragons themselves.

though, I think it would be reasonable to just assume the Dragons would be similar to Yomas and have a similar energy as that of the Yoma's Yoki energy

as many of use think there has to be a connection between the Dragons and Yomas. either, they are the same thing/species or the Yoma came (or was created) from the Dragons' flesh or whatever...

TheCatintheHat

April 21, 2011, 08:21 PM

I think the same, it will be a waste to train those Claymores and they would be in troubles through the fights against the dragons, since we can see how difficult was for Deneve and the other to face the AE. That is why I think this could be a clue from what we expect find in the continent.

kakavodka

April 21, 2011, 09:11 PM

Like I said previously, I think she may be mortally wounded, but I hope she exacts some revenge on the MiB. It would be fitting especially since the Org's new plan is to take the humanity level of the warriors even lower. Typical male response!!

I still don't think the men in the Org are human.

I think that the Org men are part yoma. Dae looks like some frankenstein monster and many of the Org men look very different from the other humans. When Galatea barged into the meeting room during the Northern Campaign, the Leader of the Org. said that she was a great claymore but that she had lived too long and that long lived claymores would get dangerous thoughts. It seemed to me that they had experience with claymores through out a very long period of time.

We have seen humans age in the series, most notably Raki and the people from his home town. If you compare the manga pictures, the aging is very noticable for Raki's townfolks. However none of the Org. members seem to age. Rubel looked the same when he was talking to Raphaela as #2 and she was from a very long time ago, at least 20-30 years.

When the Org. men were naming #1's, one of the members mentioned Roxanne who had given them alot of trouble, the way he said it seemed like he had first hand experience with her.

We know that Claymores and AB's do not age and stay in the same form. I think the Org. men have done something to their bodies that stops their aging, but it would have to be very slight otherwise they would be Claymores themselves or in the very least give off yoki.

gernot

April 21, 2011, 10:12 PM

lawlett-kun

April 21, 2011, 10:14 PM

I enjoyed the chapter however I was expecting something more epic i guess after seeing Miria surviving in the prev chapter. Absolutely didnt see this coming... I guess Deneve and Helene and the others are gonna join Miria soon. Hmm I wonder what happens to Clair And Priscilla. OH man so many questions i have :(

White Silver King

April 22, 2011, 04:38 PM

While I don't doubt that Audrey held back (is it me or did she look way more powerful/evil in this chapter than before?), but there's no way she could take Miria. Miria said if Audrey had fought with all her strength she "would not have won as easily." Miria still would have beaten Audrey but it would have taken more out of her. Audrey probably held back because she knew releasing her full strength wouldn't have done much anyway and/or she trusted Miria because she and Rachel were saved by her before and she didn't kill any of the Warriors who attacked her.

lawlett-kun

April 22, 2011, 04:43 PM

HegemonKhan

April 22, 2011, 07:05 PM

Yeah I completely agree. I have kinda a question off topic i guess... Cant Galatea regenrate her eyes or something, well maybe take them from someone.I mean she is strong like Miria.She would awesome

about Regeneration:

The manga explicitly gives us the explanation:

Memory of the missing body parts is involved. After a certain amount of time, ALL Claymores are unable to remember their missing body part(s)' exact bio-metrics/blueprints/structure, and thus are unable to re-construct their missing body part(s).

It's like a fingerprint or a retina (eye) scan, if the law enforcement knows the unique individual pattern and has it recorded on their database, they can identify you.

or in Sci-Fi (and becoming reality with stem cells actually as well), how if they have your DNA, they can reconstruct your body (or just a single part of your body, already...), regrow your tissue/body part...

As long as the Claymore is able to remember their missing body part(s)' structure or pattern, they can reconstruct their missing part(s) with Regeneration if they are than good enough to Regenerate and than to Regenerate that missing body part(s).

So...

Rafaela could have Regenerated her missing eye, until she had waited too long, and now no matter how good she is at Regeneration, she's unable to do so, as she no longer retains the Memory of her eye's bio-structure/pattern/blueprint to do so.

Galatea maybe could Regenerate her eyes, but now it's been too long to do so, due to the Memory requirement.

(and Rafaela and Galatea may very well NOT want to Regenerate their eyes, as their enhanced sensing might be prefered by them, as they don't seem to have any "blindness", despite being blind... HK is perplexed - lol, hehe)

Deneve raced over to where Clare+Cynthia+Yuma were, so that Cynthia could help Helen Regenerate her eye, before her Memory of her eye faded away.

and etc... if there's more examples...

wickedsmile

April 23, 2011, 04:03 AM

Audrey did strike me as having a bi-polar personality. So she has the gentle sword technique that repels the attacks of her foes, yet she appeared very soft spoken. Even Riful remarked that she appreciated Audrey's deference to her.

However, Audrey is far more like Rachel than she leads on. While the other is outwardly hostile, Audrey hides her true intentions behind a beautiful and warm appearance. If you re-examined the chapter where she encounters Riful, she hid her contempt for her elder behind kinder words. Yagi drew a panel where Rachel calls Riful "antiquated." In this same page, Audrey rebukes Rachel. However, from her saracastic facial expression, it's clear that she readily agreed with her lower ranked partner.

Also, Miria's last comment about "the power difference is too great" struck me awkwardly. Yuma used that exact same sentence two chapters before. In the Slasher's Arc, Helen remarked that Clare was not "Fit for Battle." Yet, two three months following, we have the "Firt for Battle" chapter. I wonder if Yagi is giving us hints of the future chapter in a discrete manner. I think Yagi has done this several other times, although I could error in my recollection.

ws

HegemonKhan

April 25, 2011, 11:53 AM

Does that TAT breaking the wall to Raki's cell with just her arm awakened, remind you of anyone?

RIFUL !!!!

That Awakened arm of the TAT is just like Riful's when she rescued/stopped Jean from about to kill Dauf in the Witches Maw !!!!! :D Go back and compare the two pics, hehe :D

TAT pic = ch 114 page 28

Riful pic = ch 49 pages 6-7

though their Awakened bodies' "flesh" are different of course.

*TAT(s) = Trainee Awakening Twin(s)

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and someone correctly pointed this out already, but to restate it again:

Raki was punching the cell door/bars, but he was rescued from the back of his cell, breaking the rock wall that made up the back of his cell. So, the TAT+Claymores had no idea, that they'd suddenly find a male human, and they certainly were NOT looking/intending to rescue Raki, as they'd have no idea he was there (as they broke through the back of his cell), unless he was giving off Yoki... and/or they smelled Teresa's Yoki still on him... lol... or maybe Priscilla's+Destroyer's Yoki now....

White Silver King

April 25, 2011, 09:23 PM

^And Isley's awakened arm during his battle with Luciela.

Spartacus

April 26, 2011, 09:04 AM

So wait, is Raki a claymore but unable to activate his powers?
Or he just a normal human?

I just need some kind of confirmation.

HegemonKhan

April 26, 2011, 09:36 AM

So far, as far as we can tell Raki is a Human.

Otherwise, we don't know if he's Human or inhuman. The manga hasn't given any confirmation either way, unfortunately.

Alisia

April 26, 2011, 10:22 AM

Raki is certainly a human.

- Mib dont'have intention to create another male claymore.
- Mib have extract priscillas' arm and projectile.
- We can't see a sign of the operation on Raki, we see only a bendage that cover his body.

Goral

April 28, 2011, 01:53 AM

Next Claymore chapter will be out on June 3rd so if we're lucky we might get a scanlation (probably Chinese) at the end of May.

Alisia

April 28, 2011, 12:55 PM

I hope that we can see priscilla's mental fight

lawlett-kun

April 28, 2011, 12:57 PM

I hope that we can see priscilla's mental fight

yeah i agree. And I hope it wont be just a 1 chapter fight, i am willing to wait for some good Priscilla vs clare fight.

Joe7133

April 30, 2011, 01:21 PM

The fight between Priscilla and Clare mentally will probably be a lot of flash back memories, forgiveness and favors. It might be somewhat close to Clare and Rafaela encounter but more deeply.

Alisia

April 30, 2011, 01:37 PM

The fight between Priscilla and Clare mentally will probably be a lot of flash back memories, forgiveness and favors. It might be somewhat close to Clare and Rafaela encounter but more deeply.

On the contrary, I think instead we will see something similar to the claire and raffaella meeting, just before the awakening of the merger. It was something mentally, but very very real. Do you remember the words of raffaella?

If you get hit here, even your real body will suffer.

HegemonKhan

April 30, 2011, 03:57 PM

lawlett-kun

April 30, 2011, 04:04 PM

and Clare was seen beheaded ... yet she didn't die in the real world... I'm still baffled by it, and the only way I can explain it, is that it was her own mind imagining it, playing out what would happen, if she didn't release her Yoki and QS the image of "Rafeala" (the Destroyer's "Uchiha-like genjutsu" on Clare).

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Clare and Priscilla are probably *NOT* going to reconcile. Priscilla wants to kill Clare ("Teresa") and boy was she peeved at the Destroyer (nearly) "killing" Clare instead (does Priscilla ever realize that Clare is still alive, that the Destroyer didn't kill Clare? lol)!!! Clare too wants Priscilla just as dead and Priscilla wants Clare ("Teresa") dead.

Yeah Hegemon thank you very much for pointing out tg]he beheading of Clair in the Rafaela's mind. I also kinda found it odd, since rafaela said if you die in here then you kinda die in real as well...

On the other note, when rafaela kinda totally died in mind, she passed on something on Clair.:darn Well I did understand that it was just her memories, i was just wondering maybe she passed some special skill to Clair or something like that.Sorry If i am asking a complete stupid stuff here

HegemonKhan

April 30, 2011, 07:12 PM

so far, it is only her mind; memories, feelings, emotions, experiences, knowledge, and etc.

Rubel does say to Clare: ~"Go to Rafaela, for she has something that only you know about"

Rafaela as well says the same thing to Clare: ~"Take everything of mine, my emotions, my memories, my sadness, my joy, my rage, my anger, my knowledge, my mind, etc, and 'that which only you know about'.. " dun dun dun... but what ?? hehe. we still don't know yet :(

when Clare comes out, Clare's lips move physically speaking things about Alicia+Beth, which Clare herself never knew, thus I feel that strongly suggests that Rafaela is still "alive" (at least mentally "alive") inside of poor Clare's head, though there's been no other indication since then of Rafaela "alive" within Clare's head. The reason I feel it was actually Rafaela herself speaking, using Clare's lips, is because after those foreign words from Clare's lips, Clare suddenly is shown regaining control of herself, holding her head as if in a migraine (or getting mental control of her own body back from Rafaela's residing mind within her head, hehe), and questioning what had happened to her and how she had suddenly known those things when she didn't know them.

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my theory is that the image of "Rafaela" and the forest scene was merely an illusion by the Destroyer's "Uchiha-like genjutsu", similarly how Raftela caused Miria to see the TAT she was fighting appear as Hilda instead, because let's face it, Clare was IN a castle, NOT outside in the forest, and hanging from the ceiling was the half-merged bodies of R+L, not "Rafaela". And let's not forget that the Destroyer compelled Clare to go to its half-merged bodies of R+L INSTEAD of going outside to help/save Yuma+Cynthia from Riful+Dauf as she had wanted to...

Now (some) of the mental "voices" WAS by the REAL Rafaela (her mind to Clare's mind, breaking through the Destroyer's mental "genjutsu"), helping Clare against the Destroyer. We also have the REAL Rafaela's mental "words/voice" about killing the image of "Rafaela", ~"Hurry and kill 'me', the illusion of me, before it grows too powerful and big". Obviously Rafaela is talking about the half-merged bodies of R+L being taken over and Awakened by the Destroyer, growing into the towering giant TGoL shell/exoskeleton body that obviously destroys the castle in its growth, lol. And, sadly and obviously Clare was too late, her Quick Sword, failed to destroy the half-merged bodies (the image of "Rafaela"), in time, as the Destroyer certainly wasn't killed.

Alisia

May 01, 2011, 04:43 AM

Raffaella's gift.........What is it? Why did Raffaella choose claire? Teresa's blood line?

HegemonKhan

May 01, 2011, 10:03 AM

We really don't know at this point, all we know so far is that Clare is suppose to still have Rafaela's mind (and all the stuff that comes with it) within her head.

my speculation:

either...

1. there is something significant between Clare and Rafaela somehow

or

2. Rubel just lied, as he just wanted Clare to Awaken the Destroyer, except the problem with this is that Rafaela said it as well...

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some interesting connections between Clare and Rafaela:

Clare <-> Rubel <-> Rafaela
Clare <-> Teresa <-> Rafaela
Clare <-> Destroyer <-> Rafaela
Clare <-> Irene <-> Rafaela
Clare+Teresa <-> "Bonds of Love" <-> Rafaela+Luciela
(except, Claymore is filled with such pairings of "Bonds of Love")

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Rafaela didn't "choose" Clare, she had to "Mind Transfer" Yoki Ability herself into Clare's head, as otherwise, she'd be consumed by the Destroyer, like Clare would've been too had Rafaela not helped Clare break free mentally from the Destroyer, as the Destroyer's mind/soul/spirit/essence/consciousness was too powerful for both of them, and it would consume them into oblivion... or possibly with Clare+Rafaela, it would be sentient and not a mindless "beast" of destruction, making it even far more dangerous than it already is.

Moie

May 01, 2011, 01:38 PM

lawlett-kun

May 01, 2011, 02:08 PM

One thing we can all agree on is that Clare's a mess right now. I honestly found the whole Rafaela thing a bit sketchy. At first, i thought that Clare would emerge more powerful be it in wisdom or technique but she's proven to have not improved in either and it's really unknown if we can say that connection improved her or being trapped inside that cocoon did. (assuming she gets out)

One thing is certain though, she's missing all the action! I find it mean of Yagi to do that to her. I also really don't want it to take Clare defeating Priscilla to have her head clear of this revenge mentality. If however, (and most likely) this does happen, people have got to die or else it's just unrealistic. I want her to suffer for her foolishness. She's been pouting about ALL series long so she needs a bit of a slap in the face. I personally want Raki to die just cuz i find him useless.

I somewhat agree with you. I personally been wanting to see Raki to die at some point. I was soooo dissapointed( and I see you share the same feelings) that Clair didnt improve at all after being in Rafaela's mind.Rafaela was known for fighting without her yoki released similiar to Teresa.I was hoping that Rafaela will somehow enhance Clair's ability to fight AB.But oh well maybe she passed on some power to her that can be used only at the critical moments? So many questions.

rcfalcon

May 01, 2011, 09:14 PM

Moonshine86

May 01, 2011, 11:50 PM

I also hope they reunite. I have no idea how they will meet though seeing as neither knows where the other one is at and they are both in trouble.

Moie

May 02, 2011, 03:00 AM

Good grief, all of Clare's "improvements" have not been instantaneous. If you had just assimilated a new mind within your own, would you improve immediately? I don't think so. Just as with her practicing Quick Sword after inheriting Ilene's arm, the ability that Rafaela passed to her is going to take time to gel. Even her HA state took some practice in battle before she got the hang of it. She's had no time to even think about what happened with Rafaela, let alone practice using it. I think that once we get to see what is going on inside the blob, we'll get some insight as to what it is Rafaela gave to Clare.

As for Raki, remember, he is Clare's emotional conscience, her anchor to the world of human emotions. That was and is his purpose all along. Without Raki, Clare would have died or completley awakened in Rabona and her story would have ended there. Raki is Clare's inner voice. I personally don't want Raki to die. There was a time when I felt he was the whinny, annoying character all anime's seem to have and I would have rejoiced at his demise. Having had his role pointed out to me, I now hope that some sort of reconcilliation happens between him and Clare.

See... yea... that's why I was hoping for Clare to gg(get good). Seriously. I recall Miria had to assign 2 of the ghosts to go with her just to make sure she didn't act irrationally. Clare is just too unstable, which is why i was hoping that Rafaela could have opened her mind, even a tiny bit, to the big picture and grant her some sort of wisdom. Improved technique would just be a bonus. Clare needs to grow up.

As for Raki, he is useless. He needs someone to welcome him to the real world(I really wished he would have been tortured or guinea-pigged). The fact that Clare needs an emotional link just shows how weak her character is. In fact, now that i think of it, the cocoon might just be a hindrance to her development as a character since all it represents is chaos for her. I really don't think she will emerge(if she even does) without being berserk or even more confused than she is. Anyway, Raki thinks his strength is enough but without priscilla, his efforts are in vain.

Why all this Raki hate? Here's why....

I really REALLY do not want Raki to be the solution to saving Clare from whatever state the cocoon might leave her in. If it goes down that route then there must be elements of romance by default and I just can't imagine romance+claymore. The mere thought of it makes agitated. Ah... but who knows. Yagi really messed up with the Miria situation imo so who really knows....

Moonshine86

May 02, 2011, 09:45 PM

I agree about the romance situation. I can't imagine any kind of romantic relationship developing in claymore. I personally think Raki will get a tip about where Clare is and he will try to find her. However, I think either Clare or Priscilla will die in their fight and Raki will be left with nothing.

rcfalcon

May 02, 2011, 10:47 PM

I don't think there will be any romantic link but Yagi did leave that door open with Clare's kiss early on. However, even without a romantic link, there is a bond there. Call it a deep friendship. Anyone who has ever faced combat while with companions will know what I am talking about here.

As far as Raki ending up with either Priscilla or Clare, I don't think his bond with Priscilla is anything like the one he shares with Clare. Priscilla attached herself to Raki and he used her to detect yoma. That seems to be the essence of their relationship. There is no indication that anything else happened. Even the "he slept with her" angle didn't really imply anything other than sleep, not sex. I think maybe she likes him in her own twisted way, but to try and read a romantic link with her is stretching it.

If you really boil it down, all the characters in Claymore are flawed. That's what makes the manga a cut above the rest. Perfect characters who always make the right choice and who are never defeated are boring. Clare's instability is what makes her Clare. Without it, she wouldn't be nearly as compelling a main character as she is.

I think the whole point for all the characters is what constitutes being a monster or human and can a person move between the two and still be maintain their humanity or do they become the real monsters in the end appearances notwithstanding. Ophelia is a case in point.

Goral

May 03, 2011, 07:29 AM

Moie

May 04, 2011, 01:50 AM

If you really boil it down, all the characters in Claymore are flawed. That's what makes the manga a cut above the rest. Perfect characters who always make the right choice and who are never defeated are boring. Clare's instability is what makes her Clare. Without it, she wouldn't be nearly as compelling a main character as she is.

I think the whole point for all the characters is what constitutes being a monster or human and can a person move between the two and still be maintain their humanity or do they become the real monsters in the end appearances notwithstanding. Ophelia is a case in point.

This is undoubtedly true but the true function of the typical protagonist is to improve in character as the story progresses. That's like the most basic fundamental of a main character. An improvement in strength/character is always going to happen at some point so it goes to say that Clare needs to do so asap as she has been presented with some opportunities to do so. At the very least, she should have developed a method of fighting Priscilla better, though maybe i'm getting ahead of myself on that one.

From what i've seen and after much thought, I come to the conclusion that Clare is one of those characters cut out for a tragic end. This is not to say that she will meet one but her character itself displaying fool-heartedness and utmost stubbornness is a definite show of a "one-of-the-first-ones-to-die" character. As such, i'm hoping that Yagi plans to develop her character in a unique way as to cater to her personality. This leaves me wondering if her anger can really take her all the way and if so, will this render her without much of a purpose after priscilla is dead?

EDIT: Was afraid I used "fundamental" wrongly but it technically makes sense even if one doesn't quite get it(I didn't myself when rereading).

Fundamental works perfectly. For example: Two fundamental aspects of most villains is that they always give a long speech explaining why they're doing "evil acts" or to explain their "evil character" and of course they also have to openly tell their "evil plans" as well.

Joe7133

May 04, 2011, 08:59 PM

Any idea when the next chapter will be out. Is it syncing with the new monthly release now or will he decide to push it early?

rcfalcon

May 04, 2011, 09:55 PM

It's been pushed to June AFAIK.

This is undoubtedly true but the true function of the typical protagonist is to improve in character as the story progresses. That's like the most basic fundamental of a main character. An improvement in strength/character is always going to happen at some point so it goes to say that Clare needs to do so asap as she has been presented with some opportunities to do so. At the very least, she should have developed a method of fighting Priscilla better, though maybe i'm getting ahead of myself on that one.

From what i've seen and after much thought, I come to the conclusion that Clare is one of those characters cut out for a tragic end. This is not to say that she will meet one but her character itself displaying fool-heartedness and utmost stubbornness is a definite show of a "one-of-the-first-ones-to-die" character. As such, i'm hoping that Yagi plans to develop her character in a unique way as to cater to her personality. This leaves me wondering if her anger can really take her all the way and if so, will this render her without much of a purpose after priscilla is dead?

EDIT: Was afraid I used "fundamental" wrongly but it technically makes sense even if one doesn't quite get it(I didn't myself when rereading).

You used fundamental just fine. I fully understood what you meant and I do agree. It seems though that Yagi is taking his own sweet time in developong Clare's character. She has improved in some ways and regressed in others. I honestly don't think she has any real expectation of killing Priscilla since her "wedge" incident, but she's committed herself and won't turn back. That and Priscilla is pretty committed to killing Teresa a second time. :)

That's where Raki comes in to the picture. He's the anchor she needs or she will indeed come to a sticky end soon. Jean was the other anchor, but she's gone unless the short vision Clare had of her during her mental excursion with Rafaela is an indicator of things to come while they are all trapped in the blob. Between the two of them (Raki and Jean?) Clare may be able to pull of a mental victory over Priscilla. It's most doubtful she'll survive a physical encounter at this point since she can't awaken anymore.

Asahina

May 05, 2011, 04:31 PM

It's most doubtful she'll survive a physical encounter at this point since she can't awaken anymore.What do you mean that Clare can't awaken anymore? Is there a reason for why she can't awaken? Can you tell me where in which chapter it was mentioned that she can't ever awaken in her life anymore? I just don't see how a conclusion like this can even be stated, unless I'm missing something. :s

lawlett-kun

May 05, 2011, 05:01 PM

What do you mean that Clare can't awaken anymore? Is there a reason for why she can't awaken? Can you tell me where in which chapter it was mentioned that she can't ever awaken in her life anymore? I just don't see how a conclusion like this can even be stated, unless I'm missing something. :s

yes actually its here clair's new issue (http://www.mangareader.net/485-47816-9/claymore/chapter-101.html) and then on next page deneve's explanation. And its not that she cant awaken, its just clair unconsciously pulling her back from awakening, becuz of what happeend with jean.

Also Deneve's good explanation of why clair wont awaken hope it helped Azula-chan (http://www.mangareader.net/485-47816-12/claymore/chapter-101.html)

Asahina

May 05, 2011, 07:32 PM

Also Deneve's good explanation of why clair wont awaken hope it helped Azula-chan (http://www.mangareader.net/485-47816-12/claymore/chapter-101.html)Wow, I feel like an an idiot. Thanks g_b.
I realized something weird. If Clare is unable to awaken, wouldn't it just mean that Clare has more potential than all the Claymores ever created?

Remember when it was stated that the monster got Clare's sword (http://www.mangareader.net/485-52573-22/claymore/chapter-104.html), you think the monster was hoping to absorb Clare entirely because she was already part of the monster's memory bank or something?

Also, when a Claymore is awakened, do they still continue to grow in power? What I'm asking is after they awaken, will they appear stronger in the next 10 years, or will they still have the same power?

White Silver King

May 05, 2011, 07:56 PM

I'd think what you said about the potential is right on. And if she just stopped trying to release more yoki and just stayed at her half-awakened form in battle, she'd be stronger than everyone in the series besides Priscilla.

But about the awakeneds, I wouldn't think they become more powerful. As I see it, when you awaken, your base power increases by a certain factor (depending on your unrealized potential) and then levels off.

HegemonKhan

May 08, 2011, 05:11 PM

(sorry for the absense, had a FKN stomach flu... :mad:mad:mad:mad)

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Technically Clare did Awaken a few times ****AFTER**** she "supposedly couldn't Awaken due to Jean's Wedge", so she can Awaken, so than WTF is going on, eh?

Well, if you notice, Clare's Huge Blade Arms ****STOP**** just an inch before Priscilla's head, so something or someone is PREVENTING Clare from (Possibly, however Priscilla didn't seem to worried having Clare's Huge Blade Arms targetting her head, which is unusual as the head has always been fatal to any being, unless its a fake head and not the real head...) KILLING Priscilla. Now, Clare keeps trying/wanting to kill Priscilla, so THAN that something or someone prevents her from being able to Awaken, as without her Partial Awakening, Clare can't (again possible, see above parenthesis) kill Priscilla. So, it's not that Clare can't Awaken, but something or someone is preventing her from trying to kill Priscilla, and preventing her from being able to Partially Awaken was the next step, as Clare was/is determined to kill Priscilla.

So, who or what is this something or someone preventing Clare from killing Priscilla and thus indirectly prevents her from Awakening?

Jean? like Deneve thinks?

I don't agree. Jean and Priscilla has had ZERO contact, there's no reason Jean would want Priscilla kept alive. Ya, Jean might not want Clare to Awaken, but that's not what's actually going on in this situation; Clare was prevented from (possibly) killing Priscilla, *NOT* from merely Awakening, as we saw that Clare *WAS* able to Partially Awaken, again and again, Clare was being held back not from Awakening, but from trying to kill Priscilla.

So, it's my theory that its Teresa, as Teresa did keep giving Priscilla life after life, choosing not to kill her.

However, the problem with Teresa is her erratic behavior... Teresa is about to kill Priscilla, than she decides not to, than she is about to kill Priscilla again, than decides not to, and finally she decides to kill Priscilla... but gets herself beheaded instead as we all know.

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Indeed, if Awakeneds could improve, Isley (and Rigardo and Dauf) would be the top Awakened, a "god", being the oldest Awakened on the island, but that is not so obviously.

So, it's quite evident that Awakeneds do *NOT* improve. They're stuck at their Power Level. Priscilla is as powerful now (well, prior to being sealed as the "Blob of 3") as she was when she Awakened after killing Teresa. She might not have full skill/knowledge of her new being/state, an Awakened, and the power and abilities that come with it, at that time, but she hasn't increased her Power Level, she's stuck at her Power level, albiet the highest Power Level currently on the island, hehe.

Thus it is why the HAs are the "Holy Grail", able to potentially ("end game" HA) to be "Awakeneds", able to change into a (full) Awakened body at will, and have their power and abilities, while *NOT* being actual Awakeneds, still having their human mind, and thus able to continue to improve and become more powerful!

I and some others have a theory that possibly Teresa is (was-hehe) this "end game" HA, as it explains her Power Level nicely, as well as many other things. As frighteningly powerful as Teresa already was... yes, we believe that possibly she could fully Awaken and de-Awaken at will, while maintaining her human mind, never becoming an Awakened. Truly a Goddess, Goddess Teresa :D

now about the theory of this:

Human Body = limited (duh)
Human Mind = UNlimited

Yoma Body = UNlimited
Yoma Mind = limited (my apologizes to Yomas, :p)

Claymore Body = UNlimited, but restricted due to (Resisting) Awakening
Claymore Mind = UNlimited, but restricted due to (Resisting) Awakening

HA Body = UNLIMITED
HA Mind = UNLIMITED

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And this is why Rubel is so interested in the HAs, wanting them all to himself and his research, and keeping them secret from the other BCs... To make an Ultimate Army to rule the world, or to make himself into a god-being, hehe :D

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P.S.

if you're interested, this is from an old theory I wrote up quite a long time ago, so I can try to dig it up out of my notes (hopefully I have it in my notes, hehe) and provide even more details upon it, so let me know!

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this was my response about the topic of whether Raki can compete against (the weakest) Claymores or not on another site.

(obviously I didn't finish it, hopefully I'll try to when I can, hehe)

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ranks 30-47 Claymores (normally) never are put on an AB Hunt Squads. They spend their entire lives killing NYs. And we see with rank 47 Clare, that they aren't even informed or learn/know that a Voracious Eater is a public euphenism for an Awakened.

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now about Clare:

She does have her "difficulties" as a source for analyzing a rank 47, but she can be used regardless of this. I'll try to address all of it below.

well let us begin, than.

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rank 47 Clare

Human Girl Clare

too many examples to give; Clare is quite inhuman/superhuman:

taking physical abuse toughness: 2 NYs, Teresa, and bandits

endurance toughness too, don't forget this!

(Yes!, a real-true) Yoki Sensing Ability: recorded Awakened Priscilla's Yoki "signature/identity"

extreme perception: Clare stripped thee Teresa naked, right past all of her defenses, seeing the real-true Teresa! And many more examples too.

great intelligence; a very smart girl

Trainee Clare

She does appear to be a bit younger than the other Trainees (and nearly identical to rank 1 Miata's body and looks, seriously she does look identical to Miata: body, looks, height, size, long hair, everything, except her face of course, hehe!), or at least she's shorter than them. So, I think it is reasonable to conclude that she was indeed younger, and normally wouldn't be engaged in Trainee's training this early/young an age, but we know how "driven" Clare is, she's not taking no for an answer, she's got a Priscilla to kill, hehe.

(I think Clare is probably younger than Elena and I think she also appears shorter than Elena is, but I'm not sure, and am too lazy to go back and look to see if Clare's shorter or if they are the same height, and in possibly seeing if Elena does look older than Clare or not, if even possible that is as well)

We also know that she is unique in that she is only 1/4 Yoma due to being implanted with a Claymore's flesh as opposed to a NY's flesh. However, that Claymore's flesh is none other than Teresa's herself.

Now, all the older and taller/bigger Trainees are jealous of Clare, being younger than they are and in having Teresa's flesh. So, this is partly why they mock her being only 1/4 Yoma and the other part is because they believe that this, the ratio/percentage of Human flesh and Yoma flesh composition, is what determines their Power Level, and thus Clare must be weaker than they are because she's only 1/4 Yoma and 3/4 Human whereas they are 2/4 Yoma and 2/4 Human.

the "Incident"

At first we and the Claymores think Clare's indeed a weaker Claymore due to being only 1/4 Yoma as she's unable to handle swinging the claymore sword, dislocating her arm out of her shoulder socket.

However (#1), this is not certain, as again, Clare is probably younger than she should be as a Trainee, and she is shorter/smaller than they are as well.

However (#2), immediately afterwards we and the Claymores' mouths are on the floor, as Clare "not so weakly" smashes her shoulder into the wall popping it back into socket with her arm.

However (#3), we also know that Clare is already one tough/strong girl from her while still as a Human child. this supports that Clare is powerful on her own power and not from Teresa's flesh's power

However (#4), we also know that Clare herself is gifted at Yoki Sensing as she is able to do so while as a Human child, way before she even becomes a Claymore (and gets Teresa's flesh). this supports that Clare's ability at Yoki Sensing is her own power and not from Teresa's flesh's power

However (#5), don't forget that not only did Clare "re-set" her dislocated shoulder, she was ready to continue the spar match! Just because Rubel showed up, and put a stop to it, isn't a reason to forget or miss this very important point!

So, was Trainee Clare really weaker than a normal Trainee due to being only 1/4 Yoma, or did those Trainees change their minds, and what about you too? Was Trainee Clare actually possibly even more powerful than a normal Trainee Claymore despite being 1/4 Yoma, the 1/4 Yoma has no effect on her, is it because of her being 1/4 Yoma, or is it because of the flesh being Teresa's?

the final trial/test of the Trainees

Trainee Clare clearly proves she is at least now much more powerful to all of those 9 other Trainees. Clare can not only swing her claymore sword with ease, but she has the exact same agility as Miata does (and again looks just like her too) and can even drag and than toss that bigger/older Trainee that had the spar with her earlier shooting across the ground and slamming hard into the wall some good distance! Wow, Trainee Clare got REALLY strong, lol. BADASS Trainee Clare, shoving her foot into that older/taller/bigger Trainee and giving that speech with that badass face of hers, RAWR! I wonder if Trainee Clare had the strength to tear the NY apart with her bare hands too... unfortunately Trainee Clare never tries it for me, lol. We also see again that Clare is very smart, and quite Miria-like in terms of tactical/strategy thought, and heck why not leadership as well, as that was quite the commanding display I had just described earlier, hehe. A much more "ROUGH" leadership manner than Miria though, lol.

Elena will remain a Trainee, for some amount of time longer, while Clare is a ranked (47) Claymore doing however many missions, before Elena becomes a Claymore and they ultimately meet via her black card to Clare given by Rubel to Clare. I wonder how Rubel did "get" Elena's black card, and whether he had a "part" in poor Elena's fate... hehe :D

Claymore Clare prior to becoming a HA

Clare does seem to be weak, a true rank 47 Claymore, as she does struggle in killing NYs (Clare needs to YR a good amount to kill them or to slice through their bodies to kill them).

But, at the same time, she conveys a "hidden" powerfulness existing inside her too,

as well as her great abilities, such as her quite far sword throw (which did require a good amount of YR but still), her and/or Teresa's ELYSA/PYS ability when she intentionally let the NY punch through her stomach, Healing -such as with her punched through stomach lol- (which does require a good amount of YR but still), her Yoki Sensing Ability (such as smelling the NY scent or its Yoki scent on Raki and the "village elder") and etc.

Lastly, as we know, Clare is exceptionally good at resisting the Yoki, due to being only 1/4 Yoki. So, while she might release more Yoki than other rank 47 Claymores in her struggle to kill NYs, those other rank 47 Claymores probably couldn't handle releasing that amount of Yoki that Clare does anyways.

Now hear is where it gets interesting: Elena

Clare has been a ranked (47) Claymore for a much longer time than Elena had, yet it is Elena who was weaker than rank 47 Clare, despite that Elena had a better rank than Clare (as Clare had the worst rank, rank 47), who had thus needed to YR even more than Clare to kill NYs, and quickly discovered what happens when a Claymore uses an 80% YR, hehe. Clare being more powerful than the better ranked Elena, despite being the worst ranked at rank 47, and having been doing missions much longer than Elena, demonstrates that Clare actually was much more powerful than a normal rank 47, Clare should have been a better rank than whatever rank Elena had, at the very least.

So, what seems to be Clare struggling to kill NYs and thus making her seem to be weak, isn't actually an accurate interpretation based upon Elena that I just went through above.

The SNY (1st battle):

As a SNY, this is no ordinary NY, while it does seem to not be an Awakened (who cares what Rubel said, he could be lying for all we know, lol) based upon its looks/body, it is somewhere between NYs and Awakeneds. And thus, this is an opponent that I highly-seriously doubt any (normal) ranks 47-30 could take on, which suggests Clare is indeed more powerful (and much more powerful than her rank 47 status) than she seems to be from her struggling against NYs and this SNY as well.

Clare does very well, as let's not totally forget, she's not using her claymore sword, but rather mere knives/short swords (special-Org, do they break?, or normal-Human knives/short swords?)

The SNY (2nd/last battle):

(see above as I'm tired with this now, except during this battle's 2nd half, she does get to be using her claymore sword, hehe)

HA Clare

According to Miria herself, after seeing their performances in the "Spiderman" male AB battle, says that ALL of them (Deneve, Helen, and Clare) are single digits in Power Level.

Now about HA Clare specifically, prior to the male AB battle, Miria senses Clare as "being the most powerful Claymore I have ever known". Well, the most powerful Claymore that we know that Miria has known for a fact, is none other than rank 4 Ophelia herself. Thus, in this very instance, Miria is telling us that Clare is more powerful than rank 4 Ophelia herself, and this was prior to even seeing Clare in the "spiderman" male AB battle!

Clare proves rank 6 Miria correct in that "spiderman" male AB battle, as Clare is definately the most powerful one their, making her more powerful than a rank 6, as that's Miria's rank, lol. Now, in terms of specifically offensively, than NO, Clare is NOT the most powerful out of them at this point in time! But, since Clare is more powerful than rank 6 Miria at everything else (well, we have to exclude speed as well, as we don't know how close Clare's speed is to Miria's PS, hehe. Clare DOES have some good speed though, just ask Helen as Clare zoomed in to protect her from its tongue counter attack, but than Clare probably let it slam her into the wall, hehe), that does cause us to consider Miria's saying that Clare is more powerful than rank 4 Ophelia as being true!

Now, don't get me wrong, Clare is also still quite amaturish with many of her amazing skills/abilities, and Miria, yes Clare knows she needs more training, you don't need to tell her this, lol!

Clare’s (1st) Spar match with Miria

(I forgot to address this)

Conclusion of Clare:

(prior to being a HA) Clare is clearly not a rank 47, just based upon Elena alone. Also, based on the SNY, I'd say Clare has to be at least at a rank 29 Claymore Power Level.

Conclusion of Clare vs Raki:

(Prior to being a HA) Clare is definitely out of Raki’s league, as Clare is no rank 47 in Power Level

rank 47 Clarice

(another day, I'm uber tired)

rank unknown (though probably in the 40's) Elena

(see Clare's section)

Raki (presumably a Human)

(Another day, way too tired)

killy-.-

May 10, 2011, 04:46 PM

how can u say that Clare was stronger than Elena? we dont know that, all we know is
- Elena was awakening and wated Clare to kill her off,
Claymores way more powerfull than Elena had awakened before she did, it doesnt mean that Clare was no.1 at that time ...
also Clare would lose against Helen, Deneve or Miria if it was 1vs1 fight, when she received the quicksword arm it was another story as we could see when she slayed Ophelia, Clare was good at sensing yoki to do that she had to disable her yoki release, thus Miria did think that she was so powerfull, Clare wasnt strong enough to cut through awakened armor nor she was quick enough to dodge his atacks,

also about that yoma in Rabona, once Clare used her Claymore(sword) the fight was over( and she was injured), any other Claymore would do the same, problem was the city, thus she had to use small useless swords, dadgers + pills

Khorr

May 12, 2011, 10:35 PM

This is my openion of why Clare could not fully awaken when she met Priscilla. I think Jeans wedge was a pretty weak reason. As stated by Hegemonkhan under previous posts, Jean never met Priscilla.

To understand my reasoning, we first must first understand the relationship between Clare and Teresa. Lets look at what was most important to each of them.

For Clare, Teresa herself was most important. She felt a kin to her. She gaved her back everything she had lost and more. By her own words she stated she doesn't want anything but to be with Teresa forever.

For Teresa, it was being human. We can argue that can be true for most claymores but I think the difference here is. Teresa didn't just ment it only for herself since she was a claymore. What she ment was it was important, maybe most important thing for her entire existance was for not herself, but for Clare to be human.

We know the bonds between Clare and Teresa were so strong that Clare was willing to become the first Claymore volunteer herself to avenge Teresa, even though she knew of the pain and suffering Teresa must of endured in the process of becoming a Claymore and the horror of facing Priscilla again.

I will break down my reasoning to two folds, but it may be still confusing so please excuse me beforehand if I failed at explaning it.

Reason 1:

If Clare became fully awaken and fought Priscilla as an AB, there would be two outcomes I can see. She gets killed by Priscilla anyway even as an AB or she kills Priscilla but lost all humanity in the process. Clare may be OK with ether outcome if it was entirely up to herself. However both of the outcome are unacceptable to Teresa, and we know Teresa ment everything to Clare. Teresa would not want Clare to be dead or to lose her humanity. She want her to live as a human, grow as a human and die of a human death.. Not as a monster.

Reason 2:

I think once again, Irene said it best. "You staying alive is the only proof Teresa ever existed" ~ Ilena

By that, for Clare to be with Teresa or in her case now, have the spirit of Teresa with her for forever. She must live and not awaken because by becoming an AB, the memory of her most dear Teresa would be gone like she never existed. I also have to stress, by Teresa's memory; I didn't ment her memory as a Claymore, but the memory of her as being a person, or human. Clare was the only person that saw Teresa as a human and not a monster to be feared. Having Teresa's memory as a human being be lost or forgotten to Clare would be an unimaginable tragedy that dwarfs Teresa's physical death at the hand of Priscilla.

There is also one more thing, does Clare know? Doe she know that Teresa wanted most was for Clare to be human. I don't think Clare's knew, because if she did she would not have been so surprised when she failed to awaken. However I do think deep inside, her heart knows what her mind couldn't, and that was Teresa's wish for her to be human. After all, Clare carries a part of Teresa would her always.

HegemonKhan

May 12, 2011, 11:55 PM

Khorr

May 13, 2011, 12:09 AM

it might be Rafaela preventing it too...

what if Clare were to Awaken in Teresa's Awakened form... if the Destroyer is bad... imagine an Awakened (and uncontrolled) Teresa... goodbye universe! :D

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joking aside:

if it was about Clare Awakening, than Clare would never have been able to Partially Awaken her first time against Rigardo, as remember that she couldn't de-Awaken, so if it were about preventing Clare from Awakening, than Clare would have been stopped from partially Awakening in the first place against Rigardo. It took Jean to de-Awaken Clare during the Rigardo incident, and so it is NOT about Clare Awakening

or, we can go even back further to the cathedral scene in the early manga, as wouldn't Teresa have prevented Clare from Awakening than, as if it wasn't for Raki, Clare was going to Awaken right then! But with raki's support/motivation, Clare was able to de-Awaken, becoming a HA instead of an Awakened.

and so, I think the key thing is that Clare STOPPED just an inch from Priscilla's head with her Huge Blade Arms. Now what or why this occured, is the big mystery...

Here's the thing, in both cases... Her mind or humanity was still intact, she just couldn't control her body. She could of still died with a human mind being partially awaken. She was still able to try killing herself or ask somone else to kill her. She could of still "died as a human" and that was good enough for Teresa, since living as a human and growing as a human is not possible anymore once Clare became Claymore.

With her being fully awaken, her humanity goes out the window along with whatever of her human body. Thats why I think she can't awaken, whatever force in control simply won't let her lose her humanity, and I say that's because of Teresa's own wish for her.

I think my bigger question was. Why was Priscilla just standing there and not trying to dodge it. I think Priscilla was curious about Clare and letting her having the first shot. She knows the blades to the head would not be fatal to her most likely. Or this could be just something Yagi did to make it look dramatic and we're over reading it.

HegemonKhan

May 13, 2011, 12:28 AM

Khorr

May 13, 2011, 12:36 AM

yes, I've wondered about that, as you'd think obliterating Priscilla's head would kill her (unless its a fake head of hers - having the same bodies as Riful, Agatha, and Ophelia), so why was Priscilla completely unphased by having Clare's Huge Blade Arms coming at her head and stopping just an inch short of it?

I'm begining to think Priscilla is like Cell form DBZ. That she got so much yoma and regeneration that she can only be totally destoryed if her entire body was destoryed all at once. Maybe by the time the blade exist from her head being sliced in half, the side the blade was hit form already regenerated. Like trying to cut chocolate pudding. I mean she hardly seem to care when Dauf smashed half of her face to pieces TWICE!

White Silver King

May 14, 2011, 01:56 PM

I'm also of the thought that Priscilla's whole body would have to be destroyed instantaneously for her to die. Though I guess one could wear down her yoki enough that she wouldn't be able to regenerate anymore then cut her head off, but that would probably take several days of fighting, so I'm for the former. Besides, the main character just so happens to have an ability which would allow her to do just that - Quicksword.

jorped

May 17, 2011, 11:27 AM

This prolly don't belong in this section, but i just started reading Claymore about a day and half ago and i am already at chapter 50.
I find it a very good manga so far and i will definitely be here posting soon :woo
But it being a monthly manga is what makes it harder :crying I just hope that i won't forget much of the story when i start following it monthly

kaliayev

May 17, 2011, 12:07 PM

...how is this thread so long? The chapter was practically filler. Guess that means you guys are rehashing, but I don't really feel like reading through all that. Guess my interest is fading now that the end is near and appears to be predictable.

Since I did read most of page eight, I'll respond to it, even though I feel like I've said this many times. The Jean mental block was a nonsense explanation that was used to misdirect the readers and help feed Clare's ignorance. Since Clare merged with and became the dominant consciousness of the merged abyssal, she couldn't awaken in the same sense that she might have before. That is, one can't really awaken and then awaken again, unless one completely returns during the process.

Finally, we will be seeing Teresa again (I think I also said this back when the revelation about the revival of rank ones was made). Yagi has pretty much turned awakened Priscilla into a symbol of infinite creation. Beyond absurd regeneration she's had against every enemy she's faced, her flesh has been used to revive dead claymores. Clare's most recent form represented infinite destruction. Put those two together, give them similar desires (bringing Teresa back), and you'll end up with wish fulfillment. Presumably, Clare would return to being human as a result of this...yay.

HegemonKhan

May 17, 2011, 12:14 PM

Welcome jorped to Claymore, glad you like it, but if you're only at ch 50, you still got the best yet to come, as you're not even done (or you just are) with the first half of the story (which was made into the anime).

The next 50-60 chapters will really take off Claymore, into epicness :D

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the anime is actually quite well done too and mostly follows the ~50 chapters of the manga, except for the last ~4 episodes of the anime which completely diverges from the manga as they had to end/conclude the anime.

We're still waiting for a 2nd season of an anime of Claymore, but we just don't know if it will come out or not yet, at some point in the future.

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aye, the monthly wait is bad, and with how deep and complex Claymore is, you will probably forget a lot of things, unless you're constantly debating the stuff, it's very easy to forget stuff, that at the time seems so clear and that you'll always remember or be aware of it, hehe. But, that can be corrected quickly enough, with posts, discussions, and debates :D

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P.S.

what made you start reading Claymore ?

was it the manga and/or anime awards that we had some time ago or you got interested in Claymore from another source?

lawlett-kun

May 17, 2011, 01:09 PM

jorped

May 17, 2011, 01:16 PM

I guess i can say that partially it was gb fault .
I already had heard of Claymore and i had it on my plan to read but wit the ammount of claymore sets that i saw gb using and the fact that most of the people that read it find it good i decided to try it and i don't regret that decision so far.

And thanks for the welcoming by the way :tem

Joe7133

May 19, 2011, 01:33 AM

I love reading Claymore, but god lately this 1 1/2 month and 2 month waiting is making me impatient. lol!

lawlett-kun

May 19, 2011, 01:41 AM

I love reading Claymore, but god lately this 1 1/2 month and 2 month waiting is making me impatient. lol!

yeah the monthly wait makes me re-read the manga around 10 times each month:amuse

HegemonKhan

May 19, 2011, 09:09 AM

well, Japanese had and is still dealing with their "Tri-Crisis", they and Yagi are well excused for having a messed up manga releasing this month and previous month.

Helping family members and friends comes well before an on-time manga release, and especially a few impatient selfish fans...

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and in general, about the monthly release:

having 2 chapters released per month would be nice, but in no way do I want to lose the quality of Claymore, I don't want Yagi to get a team to help him, and we lose the quality of Claymore, and it becomes like some other "hollow" (this pun is a hint) mangas... with like no great plot... at all...

and quite frankly:

I want to still be reading an on-going Claymore manga when I'm 100 years old, lol-hehe :D

jorped

May 21, 2011, 02:53 PM

Just read the all chapters out of Claymore and i really like it so far.
I still have a lot of difficulty realizing sometimes who is who and i don't really know much of the characters name due to that factor but now that i will start following it weekly that is something that won't be much of a problem for much long :XD

I don't like the way Rafutela died.
She would have been very helpful to Miria and the others .

I think that most of them are going to be killed by the Abyss Feeders unfortunately.

Can't wait for the next chapters and i want to really understand what happened to Clare and Priscilla.

HegemonKhan

May 21, 2011, 03:40 PM

There is the characters of Claymore thread, you can reference to look up their names and ranks, as well as some other stuff.

(now that my school term's over I can work more on it, update it and stuff)

Asahina

May 23, 2011, 11:13 PM

I predict that when Clare & Priscilla get out of the cocoon, not only will Clare have more speed, endurance & strength, but she'll also have the ability to heal those who are injured by not touching other claymores. She'll be like this radiant glowing light that all the remaining claymores will surround. Those that were dead for even 20 years or so, will feel this warmth and be revived as if raised from death itself. I'll consider her the perfect claymore.

You know how it was mentioned that there are two types of Claymores; defensive and offensive. Well, I think that she'll not only have both types of skills, but she'll be able to do so much more. I also think that we'll be seeing some kind of psychic ability (flying without wings but with the mind) from her.

If you think about it, there have not been a single Claymore mentioned that has shown some kind of magician influenced tricks (other than healing, and having glowing yellow eyes that turn into that of a cat..)

Khorr

May 23, 2011, 11:46 PM

lawlett-kun

May 24, 2011, 01:16 AM

You know, for some reason I feel Rafaela or maybe even Luciela or a hybrid of the two would pop out of the cocoon and not only just Clare. It would give the story an unexpected twist that drags the story on longer.

if that happens i would be so happy!Tbh when i was reading manga I was so looking forward to the AO Luciela, but she dissapointed me so much. SO i want to see a poweredup Luciela and Rafaela coming out of cocoon as well!

ZERO PHOENIX

May 24, 2011, 11:04 AM

You know, for some reason I feel Rafaela or maybe even Luciela or a hybrid of the two would pop out of the cocoon and not only just Clare. It would give the story an unexpected twist that drags the story on longer.

That would be dead-sexy! :p Or a combination of Rafaela, Luciella, and Clare. Someone do some fanart on this thing! But that would be interesting. That, "thing" does have all the makings of a cocoon. Priscilla, Clare, and the Destroyer were all inside that thing. What comes out of there is either going to be Orson Wells scary, or Galatea sexy, either way it's bound to be powerful.

HegemonKhan

May 24, 2011, 06:58 PM

lawlett-kun

May 25, 2011, 12:47 AM

unfortunately, I disagree with this for these reasons:

1. Luciela *IS* dead

2. Rafaela *IS* dead OR she's inside Clare's head, which could allow her to "emerge", so Rafaela is a possibility at least

3. I just don't think and don't want to think that Clare will simply combine with them, as that would be just so lame, sighs.

personally, I don't think its a "cacoon", I think that Priscilla is merely ENSNARED and held/kept ENSNARED by Clare-Teresa-Destroyer ... hehe :D

no metamorphesis is happening... come on... do you guys/girls want a Hogyoko-Aizen (whatever that thing is called that's inside Aizen, lol) to emerge out of this "cacoon" or something? This is Claymore, not Bleach, lol
Completely agree with you. I can see a combination of Rafaela and Clair, since I guess Rafaela had a conection with Tereza, and Tereza had a connection with Clair. However Luciela has nothing to do with CLair so tbh i dont even consider Luciela coming out of that thing alive or combined with clair.

wickedsmile

May 25, 2011, 11:01 PM

Yeah, I'm with HK on this one. If Yagi merges Clare's consciousness with Destroyer, it would be dilute or destroy the character we have come to know. I like Clare for her strength, her compassion and her flaws. She's almost like benevolent Captain Ahab (great movie with Gregory Peck). I sometimes wonder if her quest for revenge will ultimately lead to her undoing. She'll gain some experience and insight due to her convergence with the destroyer, but I don't think Yagi will deprive us of our Heroine.

Would you guys think that Clare could ever forgive Priscilla, if she ever regained her sense of humanity and expressed remorse for killing Teresa? If Yagi heads that route, would that enrich the story or would it be a cop out on Yagi's part? For some reason, I want to see Clare obtain a modicum of retribution but I don't want to see Priscilla die. Talk about a contradicting thought!

ws

Khorr

May 26, 2011, 10:51 AM

I think a lot of people may have misread my previous post about Rafaela, Luciella, and Clare poping out of the cacoon. That's entirely my fault for slacking and not explaining it.

Here's what I think it's going on. Clare and Rafaela and MAYBE (on the very unlikely side) Luciella is doing a mental battle against Priscilla inside the blob or cacoon thingy. At some point the blob going to fail or end and Clare will be spit back out as just Clare before she gotten swallowed up. However she will be given or entrusted of something important.. maybe a task.. maybe a way that can kill Priscilla for sure. In the mean time Rafaela and MAYBE Luciella would be the only ones capable of holding Priscilla at bay. Of course they'll lose but it buys enough time for Clare to do what she got to. Who knows, maybe Teresa will pop out of the cacoon in a weaken state and Clare's job would be to get Teresa far away so she can regain all her strength first, but I highly doubt Teresa will ever be resurrected. Cause if she ever did, she would be sidelining Clare as the main character of the story.

Would you guys think that Clare could ever forgive Priscilla, if she ever regained her sense of humanity and expressed remorse for killing Teresa? If Yagi heads that route, would that enrich the story or would it be a cop out on Yagi's part? For some reason, I want to see Clare obtain a modicum of retribution but I don't want to see Priscilla die. Talk about a contradicting thought!

I have yet to see any AB shown any remorse for killing people except at the moment before their death. I think in Priscilla's case it's not so much humanity we're to worry about but more of her sanity. She's insane... so to speak.

HegemonKhan

May 26, 2011, 12:55 PM

Clare and Priscilla are bitter enemies to the grave and beyond, they will always be enemies. At least as long as Priscilla perceives Clare as "Teresa", anyways, but Clare will always hate Priscilla.

Clare's path in life is solely that of Priscilla's death.

(incomplete. took too long. too much work)

(see bottom of my post for the ultimate confirmation of what I've said about Clare, as being correct)

1. chapter 24 pages 22-29

"I couldn't even hate the beast that killed Teresa. It was me, overcome by fear, that I couldn't forgive."

"I don't recall how I lived after that. I only knew I was searching for a stranger dressed in black."

"I want you to put Teresa's flesh and blood inside me!"

"And that's how I became the first person ever to knock on the Organization's door of her own free will!"

2. chapter 25 pages 12-19

"You never change. Always doing things the hard way..... Or could it be?"

"You were hoping for that......."

"Do you want Priscilla's head?"

"....It's too bad. It isn't you."

3. chapter 37 pages 1-30. chapter 38 pages 1-31

(too many lines. Entire chapter shows Clare's determination to kill Priscilla. Irene wants Clare to live. But, Clare just wants to kill Priscilla)

4. chapter 39 page 21 and pages 29-31. chapter 40 pages 20-37

"I just wanted to kill my brother's murderer! I just wanted revenge on the monster that killed my brother!.... It's that. That one horned monster's fault!"

"What are you? You."

"I'm Clare, number 47. I've taken on Teresa's flesh and Irene's right arm."

"I'm the one who's going to take the head of that one horned monster Priscilla. Forgive me. But, I have to take your soul, too."

(too many lines. Clare is clearly shown determined to take Priscilla's life, as seen in Ophelia's game, designed to test how much Clare wants to kill Priscilla and whether Clare has the potential to be able to do so)

5. chapter 45 page 31 and chapter 46 page 5

"Tell me the name of the man in the north, I am going to kill his woman."

6. Etc....

7. Chapter 100

8. chapter 101

9. Etc...

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Clare flat out confirms what I've said in my post about Clare and her "psychology":

chapter 37 page 19

"You said I should have forgotten everything and lived as a human, but there's no way I could do that. At that time Teresa was everything to me. Everything I lost. My life, my voice, even my joy in living. Teresa gave those back to me. Teresa gave me everything. So I had no choice but to move forward. I wasn't strong enough to forget all that and go on living."

wow, I didn't realize how well I knew Clare! I pretty much described Clare verbatum. hehe.

according to Clare herself, on chapter 37 page 19, HK is “officially the expert” on Clare. *grins*

urumi

May 26, 2011, 07:02 PM

does anyone have any info about when chapter 115 will be released?

HegemonKhan

May 27, 2011, 12:58 AM

it should be back to normal now so from between last week of this month (May) to first week of new month (June), usually though its on the 1st or 4th of the new month (June).

ROGER

May 28, 2011, 10:54 PM

Raskolnikow

June 01, 2011, 02:23 PM

I hate Claymore so much.

Just waiting for it monthly.
Plus, I always imagine myself standing as a fellow claymore.
Against the MiB with crossbows and magic poison arrows,
and a sacred sword in which I must use to wield against the
forces of darkness. Yomas! Awakened Beings! Abyssal Ones!
And once after I've defeated them....

...it's back to my insignificant life.

Do not think so. ,
Or does your life gain significance through ensure that people keep on leading their insignificant life, with its associated mundandeness?
You don't do nothing other by defeating the "forces of darkness".
You see, your final goal in your fantasies is that what you despise. I know, the world of Claymore seems having more adventures and mysteries in store, but this life is full of depth and mysteries too.
See what was hidden from your sight,
a kid with courage and heart and his eyes open wide,
an inner beauty and a bright light.