Kushina's flashback: a hidden purpose

[mattiaildivino]

in the manga 53 there was kushina's speech about the demon fox's attack,there Kishi showed us something that had nothing to do with that fight,and that we didn't know,this is kurenai's dad's presentation http://www.mangareader.net/93-55672-9/naruto/chapter-503.html ! Kishimoto's intelligence is something of incredible,he was able to show us an important news, using a flashback the story needed. what I aked myself was...the fulcrum of this flashback was the fight Minato VS Tobi or something else? this is a comparison to the last chapter,530,then it's not posting spoilers outside of the spoiler thread,cause I post this inside the spoiler line! it's like the last chapter (530-choji's decision),where the key is the fact Tenten found the Banano Palm Fan,or the fact that Hidan should be alive,events that to our eyes are marginal.. I think this because I have been waiting for 4 years to see asuma and kurenai's son. about the child,it was said here http://www.mangareader.net/93-347-14/naruto/chapter-342.html and the last time was this http://www.mangareader.net/93-411-14/naruto/chapter-406.html . it's true that in the story isn't passed too much time,they were about 15 years,now they are 16,then kurenai's son is going to born.
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ahahah I'm conscious that what I was trying to say is difficult. I think that kishimoto reminded us kurenai's son with that flashback: here http://www.mangareader.net/93-55672-9/naruto/chapter-503.html . then kishi used kushina's background to introduce a new character,asuma's child.

[benelori]

Well it's true that every panel has its significance...
But you got a few details wrong...
Asuma's child wasn't introduced in the Kushina arc...while there it was stressed upon that she should have a child...we actually saw Naruto and Shikamaru visit pregnant Kurenai...that was the moment when Asuma's child was introduced...

In Kushina's flashback, Kurenai and his future sin represented a theme...will of fire, and survival of the village...the child itself isn't important, but the message it delivers is...same when Shikamaru visited Kurenai together with Naruto...

About the similarity with this chapter...IMO the title speaks for itself, and Kishimoto builds the entire team 10 motivation around Chouji...so I indeed think that Ten Ten and the fan are marginal events, especially since we aren't sure that is the fan...and we know that Hidan is deep down a hole...so it has no relevance whatsoever, unlike Kurenai's son...

So basically...of course that Asuma's future child was somehow indirectly presented...but it's still something that has no relevance to the plot IMO...

[Exodi]

Perhaps, when all is said and done with the story, Asuma and Kurenai's son will be the next new thing. Maybe he'll be one of Konohamaru's students. Who knows?

It's sort of neat to think about.

[Gingitsune]

In Kushina's flashback, we had both Kurenai's father and Asuma's mother. I wonder which of his three grand-parents the kid will look like (although we still miss Kurenai's mother, but she's likely to look like her daughter).

We also had Iruka's parents. Which beg the question, how comes we haven't seen Sakura's parents yet? She's the only member of Team 7 who's parents are still alive and yet, they are the only ones we haven't seen so far.

Beside that, we saw that the Akimichi from Danzou's team was still alive that day and have grown into old age. I wonder if he had kids and who knows, he could be Chouji's grampa.

[Nieuwsgierig]

We also had Iruka's parents. Which beg the question, how comes we haven't seen Sakura's parents yet? She's the only member of Team 7 who's parents are still alive and yet, they are the only ones we haven't seen so far.

They aren't important as they aren't ninja. They own and run a flower shop.

[mattiaildivino]

In Kushina's flashback, we had both Kurenai's father and Asuma's mother. I wonder which of his three grand-parents the kid will look like (although we still miss Kurenai's mother, but she's likely to look like her daughter).

We also had Iruka's parents. Which beg the question, how comes we haven't seen Sakura's parents yet? She's the only member of Team 7 who's parents are still alive and yet, they are the only ones we haven't seen so far.

Beside that, we saw that the Akimichi from Danzou's team was still alive that day and have grown into old age. I wonder if he had kids and who knows, he could be Chouji's grampa.

yeah there are 2 akimichi in that flashback and one of them was surely Torifu,you can see here homura and koharu too,the 2 elders of the Leaf. and look,when kakashi fought Pain there were 3 akimichi with him:choji,choja and someone else with crosses in the cheeks.

[THM Nindo]

They aren't important as they aren't ninja. They own and run a flower shop.

No, the flower shop is run by Ino's mother.
Sakura's parents aren't doing anything that we know.

Although, we saw the Haruno's symbol on some milk cartons, so many are thinking that they are running a milk business.

Here's an example of such milk carton:
http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-503-page-2.html

You could argue that it's simply a circle, but... that's the Haruno symbol too :tem
In any case, this is the only clue we have...

[Gingitsune]

I argue that the milk circle bear the wrong color. Haruno's crest is black in the middle and white around. Did we ever see a Uchiha crest orange and green? :p

As for the only clue, there was a woman in chapter 1 that seems to have the white circle part, on of the two who was bitching Sakura. Her name was ibara in the databook, which means heather, that would fit with Sakura's flower name.

http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-1-page-16.html


They aren't important as they aren't ninja. They own and run a flower shop.

We don't know that and anyway, you can't pretend Shikamaru's mother is much more relevant to the plot, yet we have seen her. Plus, we have heard Sakura's mother talk once and again in the anime, but they never draw her, contrary to Chouji and Hinata's mother who made it in the anime. There's something fishy about this whole business.


yeah there are 2 akimichi in that flashback and one of them was surely Torifu,you can see here homura and koharu too,the 2 elders of the Leaf. and look,when kakashi fought Pain there were 3 akimichi with him:choji,choja and someone else with crosses in the cheeks.

More than spotting the Akimichi, it is interesting to see that Torifu was with Hiruzen's team that night and no with Danzô and Kagami. Whatever these two were up to, and I suspect Danzou was waiting underground just like he did for Pain's attack while Kagami was with the other Uchiha, Torifu wasn't part of their plan (or respective plan if they weren't working together).

[THM Nindo]

I argue that the milk circle bear the wrong color. Haruno's crest is black in the middle and white around. Did we ever see a Uchiha crest orange and green? :p

As for the only clue, there was a woman in chapter 1 that seems to have the white circle part, on of the two who was bitching Sakura. Her name was ibara in the databook, which means heather, that would fit with Sakura's flower name.

http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-1-page-16.html


Where was it ever said that the Haruno crest was black inside?
As far as I know it's simply a white circle and that's it.

I agree that on the milk carton, the circle is blue, so it's probably not the Haruno symbol, though...




We don't know that and anyway, you can't pretend Shikamaru's mother is much more relevant to the plot, yet we have seen her. Plus, we have heard Sakura's mother talk once and again in the anime, but they never draw her, contrary to Chouji and Hinata's mother who made it in the anime. There's something fishy about this whole business.


Lol, there's nothing fishy...

Kishi even said in an interview (a real one!) that Sakura was basically the normal teenager girl, with no special power and no special family.

Her parents are just regular people, not ninja.
That's all there is to it, and that's why Kishi just doesn't see the importance of showing them.

Also, since both Naruto and Sasuke have no parents, it is probably better if we don't see Sakura's parents, because that would kinda alienated her from them.

We already know that she can't really understand what they went through (we know that from the talk she has with Sasuke about Naruto being an orphan at the beginning of the manga), but I guess that Kishi don't want to put too much emphasis on that part of Sakura's life.

[Gingitsune]

Where was it ever said that the Haruno crest was black inside and white?
As far as I know it's simply a white circle and that's it.

My mistake, I read too much black and white manga, I assumed the inner circle was black, but it is pink on color images. As for the pattern being just a white circle or a dot within cricle, I thought the title page of the 7th chapter made it clear which one it is:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-7-1/naruto/chapter-7.html


Her parents are just regular people, not ninja.
That's all there is to it, and that's why Kishi just doesn't see the importance of showing them.

I don't trust Kishi, he change his mind and lie too much. There was an interview where he stated Orochimaru was the big bad guy of the series, where is Orochimaru now?

[LanderZ]

I don't trust Kishi, he change his mind and lie too much. There was an interview where he stated Orochimaru was the big bad guy of the series, where is Orochimaru now?

Seriously? You haven't noticed the white, snake-like guy who summons a giant snake, ate Yamato, creates funky poisons and who summoned a buttload of dead zombies?

[THM Nindo]

My mistake, I read too much black and white manga, I assumed the inner circle was black, but it is pink on color images. As for the pattern being just a white circle or a dot within cricle, I thought the title page of the 7th chapter made it clear which one it is:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-7-1/naruto/chapter-7.html


Well...
Try drawing a white circle on a white page...

You will have to draw a black dot and a black surrounding, but the symbol remains simply a white circle.

I'm 100% sure that it's only a white circle.



I don't trust Kishi, he change his mind and lie too much. There was an interview where he stated Orochimaru was the big bad guy of the series, where is Orochimaru now?

Well... Orochimaru ain't dead yet, so we can never say that he won't come back...

Who knows... maybe Kabuto is actually being controlled by Orochimaru.
We already know that he was trying to gain control... :tem

Anyway, Kabuto is like Orochimaru Version 2.0.

[Sakura Hime]

Lol, there's nothing fishy...

Kishi even said in an interview (a real one!) that Sakura was basically the normal teenager girl, with no special power and no special family.

Her parents are just regular people, not ninja.
That's all there is to it, and that's why Kishi just doesn't see the importance of showing them.

Also, since both Naruto and Sasuke have no parents, it is probably better if we don't see Sakura's parents, because that would kinda alienated her from them.

We already know that she can't really understand what they went through (we know that from the talk she has with Sasuke about Naruto being an orphan at the beginning of the manga), but I guess that Kishi don't want to put too much emphasis on that part of Sakura's life.

I think, there's really something fishy...

First, I'm sure that white circle is a clan crest...But it may not as important as other clans now...They might get destroyed during the 3rd ninja war or earlier...and just running a business now...or even came from another country...anything is possible.

Second, there's someone in a chapter complained on how they arranged each team or Team 7...I think it's because each one of them have something in common, like Shika-Ino-Cho that their parents were in the same team, still alive and happy families...Hina-Kiba-Shino, all of them either have only father or mother...Tenten-Neji-Lee, they seem to be orphans. Naru-Sasu-Saku, their clans were powerful but destroyed...which I think that it also happened to Sakura's clan too.

So, she might also be an orphan like Naruto and Sasuke from an important clan...but she get adopted by a normal family...

Third, Remember that we never had a clue about Uzumaki clan before, until last year...So I think Sakura's origin will be reveal later...or maybe sooner, during this war, since there're a lot of old ninjas who might know/recognize her clan crest...

That's just my thought. Thanks to you all that made such a fun discussion! :D

[mattiaildivino]

ahah you are crazy ;),what I wanted to say was that in that flashback(about kushina,minato the fox and naruto's birth) kishi showed us kurenai's father while he's talking with kurenai. there's in this speech a premonition:about the fact that kurenai will have a child. this is the hidden purpose.

[Exodi]

Where was it ever said that the circle was the Haruno family crest?

[Sakura Hime]

Where was it ever said that the circle was the Haruno family crest?

Not officially said...But if you look at this chapter cover, where their clan's crests draw behind everyone of them (We already knew Uzumaki & Uchiha)...

http://www.mangareader.net/93-7-1/naruto/chapter-7.html

If that circle is not a clan/family crest, there's no point to draw it there...he can just left it blank behind Sakura...So I assume it's a clan crest of Haruno or some other names, who knows.

And if that circle on Sakura's back is not important (like most people believe)...there's no point of keeping it on her costume til today.

Well, just wait and see...

[Rahan]

If there is an hidden purpose to this flashback, I think it would be about the Uchiha

Sasuke's house is the same than way later (before the attack (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-501/page016.html) and 7 years later (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-220/page013.html)), and it's already in a Uchiha compound. (there is already the Uchiha crest on the wall in front of the house (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-502/page003.html)), hence Madara lied and the Uchiha ghetto wasn't created because of the attack.
Sasuke's parents are mysteriously missing during the attack.

[kazekaze_yuki]

Uzumaki clan: longevity & fuinjutsu
Uchiha clan: Sharingan & Fire Technique
Haruno clan: Because Sakura have talent about medical ninjutsu & genjutsu so I think her clan is very special about medical.

[southside]

I am sorry but all I get from that page is the same message that all old people give the young. Don't be in a Rush to get yourself killed(just like the second said to his group). He also reminded her that he wants grand kids someday so she could have more reason to take care of herself and not be so reckless.

[kkck]

If there is an hidden purpose to this flashback, I think it would be about the Uchiha

Sasuke's house is the same than way later (before the attack (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-501/page016.html) and 7 years later (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-220/page013.html)), and it's already in a Uchiha compound. (there is already the Uchiha crest on the wall in front of the house (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-502/page003.html)), hence Madara lied and the Uchiha ghetto wasn't created because of the attack.
Sasuke's parents are mysteriously missing during the attack.

I don't think madara said it was because of that attack that the uchiha were sent to that corner. I also would not call it a ghetto, the place looked fairly comfortable overall.... Anyways, the impression I got was that the uchiha were located there long before the most recent kyubi attack. The second hokage wanted to keep an eye on them so I would think they were placed there probably since the early moments of the leaf village.

[mattiaildivino]

you...we are finding a lot of new things,such as the fact torifu is alive,Homura and Koharu fought against the fox ecc. but the title I chose was about the fact that Kishi has used this flashback to introduce the character of asuma and kurenai's son.

[Nonlife]

^I highly doubt Asuma's and Kurenai's kid is relevant to the story. (Somewhere, Kishimoto said he's thinking of making it a girl.) I don't see any hidden purpose behind Kushina's flashback/Naruto's birth, other than to motivate Sasuke & Naruto to take down Madara when the TRUTH is revealed.