Volume Bakuman Vol 15 (ch125-ch133) Discussion [Archive]

saladesu

March 12, 2011, 05:28 AM

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•Sasuke•

March 16, 2011, 11:51 AM

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shouryuujo

March 16, 2011, 12:26 PM

umm he's thinking of playing burgler now????

Negative Syndicate

March 16, 2011, 02:05 PM

Based on two spoiler pictures, it looks like Nanamine decides to steal Ashirogi's idea and I think he asked Kosugi for help. But it looks like Kosugi asks Ashirogi to take down Nanamine by doing same plot within same issue (plus they got permission from the editor-in-chief and Hattori).

Tias

March 16, 2011, 02:06 PM

it's only a matter of time before he plummets down to the ground and is kicked out.
No way in hell they'd tolerate that.
And then Nakai's return will have been for nothing.....
For some reason i can imagine nakai will have to work as Hiramura's assistent so he can have more free time to be with aoki.

I mean Nanamine is a sinking ship, i'm sure everyone agrees on that by now.

shouryuujo

March 16, 2011, 02:21 PM

i think he will recover by starting from the bottom again after his ego is completely destroyed after this arc. I am still hoping for Nakai Aoki because the other guy is more of a stalker than Nakai.

Tias

March 16, 2011, 02:31 PM

i think he will recover by starting from the bottom again after his ego is completely destroyed after this arc. I am still hoping for Nakai Aoki because the other guy is more of a stalker than Nakai.

Maybe that will happen, and he'll start to listen to his editor.

But as a Hiramura x Aoki fan i don't see Nakai and Aoki together....honestly said he'd simply crush her if they ever went to bed <_<
but on a more serious note.
Both of those men need to be a bit more serious.
I mean Nakai is simply just the worst, is nice to girls and mean to the others, and if he could, would want a harem.
And saying things like he won't help aoki unless she dates him and what not, i just don't see it.
But Hiramura himself should get a bit serious too, so far he's mostly shown attraction to her apperance, would be nice if he started to value whats inside of her too.
But he's less of a jerk than Nakai at least.

shouryuujo

March 16, 2011, 02:43 PM

hiramura is a stalker and i agree nakai need to fix his mentality first before anything else though but unfortunately he is a 2ndary char and probably wont have the luxury of a personality change anytime soon. it would be funny if aoki hires nakai back for her assistant though ^_^

Monocle21

March 16, 2011, 03:02 PM

nakai = dirty old fat man who wants to create a harem for himself... remember nakai x aoki can't happen cause he tried to force her to go out with him in order for him to help her...

saladesu

March 16, 2011, 08:43 PM

We haven't seen Azuki in a while so it's nice to see her get a color page. Now I wish she would appear in the main story again.

Verification: confirmed
Source: Manga Hideout, MangaHelpers
Credits: luffy-kun, saladesu

On color page
- Putting our feelings into the tips of our fingers... And sending them as a message!
- title: Impatience and Reversal

- Nanamine decides that in order to carry out that plan of his, he's going to need to steal from Ashirogi
- He gets permission from EIC for him and Ashirogi to publish the same story in the same issue
- He wants to use this to show them the difference between him and them
- Kosugi reports back to Nanamine that he couldn't get the actual name from Ashirogi but he knows what the story will be about for their next arc and what issue it begins in
- Kosugi tells him that he absolutely must not try and publish his version of the same story earlier than Ashirogi and if Nanamine were to fail he must discuss with Kosugi when writing future chapters
- Nanamine says that for the first time, he's thankful to have Kosugi as his editor

I can't really read what the same story is they are going to write as its really blur but it's something about a student council president and the students doing something.

I think Obata really drew some really nice Nanamine faces here :)

LoS

March 16, 2011, 11:34 PM

so uhhhhhh why would Ashirogi agree to something so dumb?

Is it just to absolutely crush Nanamine?

Not really a fan of the above spoilers to be honest.

Kibate

March 17, 2011, 03:57 AM

Wow, he gets batshit insane more and more with each chapter. Which really doesn't suit his manga storys(as they are the deathnote calculating kind of manga) but i love such a character in this manga.

Teeba

March 17, 2011, 04:41 AM

Nanamine has really lost it at this point. He shouldn't have sacrificed whatever originality his manga had just to spar with Ashirogi Muto.

I think he made a really good antagonist, I hope that, by making some sort of amends with Kosugi, he'll come back with another manga based off of a controversial method.

Kibate

March 17, 2011, 10:51 AM

You know what would be ironic? If after a few more weeks all his online friends leave him alone and suddenly his manga becomes more popular!

sekida

March 17, 2011, 08:37 PM

He gather most of those 50 army after the "Classroom of truth" got online right? He said he chose those people who commented on it? What I'm trying to say is that, most of the 'classroom of truth' idea came from him. So if he start working without those people, he'll get up for sure. But I want him to fail miserably though, we don't have a villain that fails hard aside from koogy.

saladesu

March 17, 2011, 11:26 PM

Yes, he got most of them after Shinjitsu no Kyoushitsu. Before that he said he only had 5 people. I assume these 5 people were actually IRL friends to him, so maybe they might stick around and help even if the rest don't. Maybe they also have some artistic skill and will help as assistants...?

Either way, it would indeed be ironic if his stuff actually got better with less people... But I don't want that to happen because I get the feeling he'll just let it get to his head and he won't see the correlation between the fact that the rankings rose when people left. He's gonna think one of his methods worked and then think he's awesome.

I don't really think its dumb for Ashirogi to do this. I mean, if they did it without the EIC etc's approval then yeah, that would be very, very dumb. But since they have his approval, I think its okay. After all, it is true that a real head-on battle like this would be the best way to show Nanamine that his method won't cut it against them. Nanamine will really have no excuse if he fails this time.

fizban

March 17, 2011, 11:53 PM

I think the best twist possible in this situation is if the EIC took it even further, and got every big series in the magazine to do the same story for the issue. Like the romance cup but all at once and literally the same thing over and over.

I look forward to seeing how this all plays out in the actual chapter. Spoilers for this series are always really short, even though the chapters are super packed full of text.

saladesu

March 18, 2011, 01:02 AM

Ooh, that would be interesting indeed :) But it would probably be next to impossible, especially for series that aren't staged in schools (seems the arc is about some student council president), or if those series are already in the middle of a long arc or something.

akoftroy

March 18, 2011, 10:39 AM

The theme they are going to compete against each other with is something like "have the unpopular kid somehow win the vote for school president." I'd like to see that in One Piece and Naruto! Though it would probably be pretty boring reading like 15 series with the same theme.

I'm guessing the anti-Kosugi forces will quiet down this week... Dude's putting his "life" on the line to save Nanamine!

FrostyMouse

March 18, 2011, 12:24 PM

I'm just not in favor of this. I see no point in going head-to-head against Nanamine, especially after what Takagi said at the end of chapter 124.

Nanamine's getting cancelled as it is, so what's the point of risking losing head-to-head? Of course, they'll win, but it's just not a risk that's worth taking. This could be used as a means for Nanamine to regain popularity, but I feel as if he'll just lose anyway...

Anyway, this student council president arc doesn't really seem to fit into either manga. I'm not seeing the "perfect crime" aspect of PCP anymore, and I'm not even sure where Nanamine would go on this one.

fizban

March 18, 2011, 12:58 PM

Series that aren't set in a school can make it an omake chapter type situation. Like when One Piece goes into Chopperman stuff and everybody is happy.

Wasn't the big Aizen showdown thing supposed to be a war between Soul Society and the Arrancar? People used to talk about it all excitedly, and then we got that disappointing thing where they each took turns fighting one person.

We know that Nanamine's story is tanking, but what about Aoki? I was kind of hoping we'd finally have a series for her that was doing well so she could stay in the magazine while doing something she is passionate about.

LoS

March 18, 2011, 11:16 PM

125 raw is out, surprised the people of MRI haven't scanned it yet, they were on such a fast pace.

saladesu

March 19, 2011, 01:58 AM

The raw is pretty low quality, so from what I understand, we'll have to wait for better quality raws for a scanlation.

However, that didn't stop me from translating, so here be translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/28442) :amuse

Interesting that Aida and a few others in the editorial division apart from Kosugi and Hattori know about Nanamine's methods now. The problems Nanamine is facing now (leaks etc) are all things we had predicted would happen, and he's in pretty deep shit plus losing his mind and being way too obsessed with defeating Ashirogi. It seems obvious that he's not going to succeed, but with all the emphasis given to Kosugi talking about reforming (sort of) Nanamine, I'm sure Nanamine will see how wrong he is and turn over a new leaf at some point to come.

EDIT: forgot to mention, Hiramaru and Yoshida in this chapter are brilliant :3 I love how Hiramaru was all "I have an idea... My hands won't stop moving!!" :XD

Knifeshade

March 19, 2011, 03:39 AM

I'm not surprised if Nanamine eventually becomes converted into another "friendly rivalry, encouraging each other" mangaka ala Iwase.

I sort of understand the basis of where the story is heading, but the writing is pretty sloppy this chapter.

Let me get this straight, Nanamine has been beaten to a pulp. And yet this whole "all or nothing" is supposed to "reform him", or bluntly speaking, make him see his methodology is wrong. The way Nanamine's been portrayed this chapter just tells me he has lost all of his ability to think straight.

He's in self denial from the shock of doing so badly. He can't even think clearly. And you expect me to believe after he loses again to Ashirogi one-to-one (I'm predicting loss), he'll 180 and be all like "ZOMG I WAS WRONG, I WILL NOW BECOME A REGULAR MANGAKA".

It's just not written in a very convincing way. This "all or nothing" final fight feels no different to how he was being beat up in Wk 1-5. If Nanamine felt at least one bit of remorse then this set up is a nice finish, but as it stands it's dragging the feet of this arc.

And I haven't really commented much on Kosugi's character during this entire arc, but I have to say he is useless, from this chapter. USELESSSSS. I'm going to have to agree with Reclaimer's constant hatred towards him after this chapter. Kosugi's thinking in this chapter is off the charts mind boggling.

LoS

March 19, 2011, 04:19 AM

Not a fan, really don't like how everyone agreed to have the showdown happen. I can see the merits to the competition via the outcome, but it just doesn't sit well with me.

saladesu

March 19, 2011, 06:54 AM

I think the difference about this battle is just that Nanamine will really have absolutely no excuse if he loses here, since he's doing the same story as Ashirogi are. So it boils down to the difference in their ability as mangaka in executing that same story. I don't exactly like it either, but like LoS I guess I can see the merits of it. It could have been done better, though.

I don't think Nanamine's reformation will be a simple 180 change or that he'll instantly come to his senses. I think he'll be in denial for quite a while. He's already a trainwreck as it is and is totally losing it.

k-dom

March 19, 2011, 05:33 PM

sekida

March 19, 2011, 06:48 PM

http://www.mangareader.net/bakuman/125

kagato23

March 19, 2011, 07:05 PM

Aw man, this makes a nasty paradox for me... I want Kosugi to have a job in the future now that he's finally taking a few levels in editor and actually doing something instead of sitting around whining.

But I hate Nanamine all the more for failing to recognize that what he's doing isn't working, and want his crash and burn to be epic, humiliating and final.

But it's being set up so you can't have both!

Tsukisama

March 19, 2011, 07:15 PM

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fizban

March 19, 2011, 07:22 PM

Best thing ever? "Keep drawing WAHAHAHAHA"

I'm a theater person, so I am around a lot of people who cackle light that and it fills me with glee. Congrats to Hiramaru for his new manga. I hope we get to see a little of it.

Also, Nakai looked so disgusting in the panel where he was asking if his privileges were going to be taken away. I honestly thought he might have turned a corner when he found out about Nanamine, but then he went even further down the wrong path. Breaking my heart to see a character we used to love acting that way.

R4n

March 20, 2011, 02:24 AM

the CP looks like an ad for mobile phones... ^^;;

by the way, the 'having too many elements being stuffed inside till the audience do not know what is the manga about anymore' part really reminds me of a particular manga in the real WSJ... *cough*khr*cough*

saladesu

March 20, 2011, 06:24 AM

Do You really think kosugi had Hattori and chief editor agreement on this ? It looks a bit like bluff to me. Hattori could be ok but I can't imagine the discussion with the chief editor without revealing part of the lies that have been made so far

That's an interesting thought... I never considered it. Kosugi would be in serious trouble if the EIC found out, but I guess if he's already got the resolve to submit that request for a transfer, he's ready for this as well. Ashirogi wouldn't be held responsible as Kosugi was the one who tricked them. If its true that the EIC is kept in the dark about this, then Hattori probably is too. I can't imagine Hattori letting Kosugi do this and not trying to stop him. I'd think that if Hattori did try to stop him but Kosugi convinced him otherwise, then such a scene should have been shown in the manga itself.

I think you might really be right about this, k-dom :)

sekida

March 20, 2011, 06:33 AM

Do You really think kosugi had Hattori and chief editor agreement on this ? It looks a bit like bluff to me. Hattori could be ok but I can't imagine the discussion with the chief editor without revealing part of the lies that have been made so far

There's a panel that he went to shuiesha at day and went to Ashirogi Muto at night..
http://i999.mangareader.net/bakuman/125/bakuman-2102285.jpg

Chances are high that we we'll see PCP manga again and a second-rated PCP. :D

saladesu

March 20, 2011, 06:39 AM

Hah, nice catch Sekida :thumbs Can't believe I missed that, especially since I was the one who translated it -_-;

Still, I would have liked something this important to be shown. I'd really have liked to see exactly how the EIC reacted to the proposal, and if, like k-dom asked, the EIC is now privy to all of Nanamine's methods.

luffyg2

March 20, 2011, 07:22 AM

Well this guy is truly someone who never learns... and of course some of the ex internet partner were going to post everything on the internet.. even if he see the errors of his ways and start doing things normally.. his reputation already took a hit... don't think he will repent though. he'll just get beaten by PCP and makes some excuses again

jorped

March 20, 2011, 08:29 AM

Nanamine never learns!!!!!
this chapter was interesting, much better than the previous one! i think it will be interesting to see this final clash between ashirogi and nanamine , and of course that i hope that Nanamine looses and manages to understand that the way he is doing thinks is not the right one , and that he needs to respect his editor and listen to his ideas!

natli

March 20, 2011, 09:55 AM

I protest against turning Nanamine's character into a nervous wreck, just to show the kiddies: look, this happens when you break the rules. so, be good. Bakuman has raised a serious issue about feedback, editorial division, author - editor relation, the ToC votes, etc, and then behaved as if nothing happened. Same story as usual, another villain defeated. The same thing happened when Kaya argued with Shujin, because he behaved like a jerk. There was an interesting discussion on this forum. But, next thing we know they're happy again, no resolution, no apology. Once again, the authors behave as if nothing happened. It starts to annoy me.

And did I see an attempt to sell Kosugi's fear and unability to act as some convoluted noble action? I hope not.

SHINOBI-03

March 20, 2011, 12:49 PM

Nanamine is so creepy in this chapter...!! But I kinda expected him to go that far to steal ideas from Ashirogi since he doesn't make stories on his own.

Now, they're all in agreement with competing with the same ideas, and everyone predicts that Nanamine is going to lose, right? But... what if the opposite happens, and Nanamine actually does better when he works on his own?! That would be a huge twist, right?!

--

P.S. Dear Translators... If you are going to translate a manga's title, translate all of them!

LeDuck

March 20, 2011, 03:29 PM

saladesu

March 20, 2011, 09:50 PM

P.S. Dear Translators... If you are going to translate a manga's title, translate all of them!

Just thought I'd defend myself here, as this seems to be directed at me :sweat I don't translate any of the manga titles. I add in a translation note with the translation the first time, but subsequently I leave it in Japanese. For example "Shinjitsu no Kyoushitsu" and not "Classroom of Truth". I personally think it is better this way as it sounds more original. You can see this in the original translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/28442). In MRI's case, their proofreaders have changed the Japanese titles and replaced with the English translation, as they wanted consistency and I was outnumbered one to many. I have yet to read MRI's version of this chapter, but they probably missed one or two of the titles.

Also occurred to me that you might be talking about the way some titles are shortened. Well that's the way it is in the Japanese as well, like "Yuuigi na Gakuen Seikatsu ni Hitsuyou na Sore" is always abbreviated to "Yuuigi na~" or "Yuuigi~".

Quaro1987

March 21, 2011, 09:57 AM

I personally think it is better this way as it sounds more original.

Not attacking you, just discussing (it would be really ungrateful to attack someone who helps us enjoy our favorite manga, over something so trivial), but many translation groups do that, and some times it works (for example nakama in One piece has done wonders to make the audience feel like the straw hats have a special bond), but when translators leave too much untranslated, it really gets tiring to keep track.

For example, in Naruto they leave a lot of attacks untranslated, and I'm scratching my head which attack they are talking about. And it's ok if it's a one word attack like chidori or rasengan, but those 3-5 word attacks can confuse the audience, specially in the manga where there isn't so much visual aid.

And in Bakuman, I usually don't pay too much attention to the titles, cause well... they are all Japanese to me :P, and I end up getting confused which manga they are talking about.

Just my opinion, and the reasons I would do it differently.

SHINOBI-03

March 21, 2011, 11:59 AM

Just thought I'd defend myself here, as this seems to be directed at me :sweat I don't translate any of the manga titles. I add in a translation note with the translation the first time, but subsequently I leave it in Japanese. For example "Shinjitsu no Kyoushitsu" and not "Classroom of Truth". I personally think it is better this way as it sounds more original. You can see this in the original translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/28442). In MRI's case, their proofreaders have changed the Japanese titles and replaced with the English translation, as they wanted consistency and I was outnumbered one to many. I have yet to read MRI's version of this chapter, but they probably missed one or two of the titles.

What I hate about fan-subs and fan translations in general. The "We will keep it in Japanese because it's sounds cooler." rule. :darn

Then, allow me to ask everyone else here. What do you prefer: "Yuugi Na Gakuin Sekatsu Ni Hitsuyou Na Sore" or "What Is Required"?

fizban

March 21, 2011, 01:35 PM

Ugh, that name is just so long. That's, like, all the dialogue that you usually see in a chapter of Bleach.

They mentioned that Arai got his third cancelation this chapter. I thought that was kind of a weird point. He's supposed to be the veteran mangaka of the story - I'm sure he has had more than three series in Jump. But it gave me a chance to see one of my favorite editors again. Love that random guy. And Heishi was in the chapter too so yay.

When it comes to translating things like attack names, I don't mind them keeping the Japanese thing on the main part of the page. But I would like it if they did the thing where they include a footnote at the bottom of the page where they say what the attack is in English. Especially when it's things like sword attacks. If it is Naruto and he is using his one attack I probably don't even need any text on the page. Why is he screaming the attack name anyways? This isn't HunterXHunter, where stuff like that will actually make the attack more powerful.

I miss Hunter X Hunter. Every time it comes back from hiatus I am reminded why I like the series so much and then it leaves and we have new series which just don't measure up.

Asahina

March 21, 2011, 03:14 PM

So, I've been wondering. Their PCP manga is not accepted to be an anime because of how real the situations can be mimicked, right?

So, they plan on doing a battle mainstream kind of story. But should they really consider themselves rivals to Nizuma Eiji? I think that even if they do manage to create an anime for their new manga, they are waaaay behind all their rivals who had an anime going for a year or so. This new manga they create must be a masterpiece that changes everything.

What I mean is having the Japanese president admitting that he loves their manga or something. Or having a movie based on their manga. Or a Train Station being named after one of their characters special moves or something. Cause I really don't see any other way to surpass Nizuma Eiji besides proving Moritaka Mashiro and Akito Takag have more dedicated fans around the world than Nizuma Eiji.

murtas

March 21, 2011, 04:53 PM

what a change of subject. ^^

PCP not being a anime is just an excuse for the main characters still have a goal in this history.

saladesu

March 22, 2011, 06:48 AM

Regarding the to-translate-or-not-translate-titles/moves issue, well, let's just say to each his own, shall we? :amuse There are people who prefer it in Japanese and others who don't, but I think the most important is that it is consistent throughout the chapter. I still have yet to read the scanlation, but if there were some left untranslated, then that was a mistake on MRI's part and as a part of the team and on behalf of them I apologize :sweat

I do agree with murtas that essentially, the main reason why PCP isn't getting an anime is because it's a ploy to keep Bakuman going. Though of course Ohba-sensei could also choose to pull the "yay we get an anime, but boo Azuki isn't the heroine, we need another new manga!" thing someone here mentioned before...

Unfortunately, the only way to measure what a better manga is in the Bakuman-verse, is by the TOC rankings. They aren't even showing us how well the tankoubons are selling because it's assumed a series that ranks high on the TOCs sells well (which isn't always true - look at Nurarihyon no Mago). So essentially, Ashirogi have to create a new series that ranks above Crow in the TOCS and that ALSO gets an anime that ALSO has Azuki as the heroine before they can consider their goal reached and Bakuman will end. It's kinda silly, but that's about the only quantitative and qualitative measure there is to use.

Oh and now with arcs like this recent Nanamine one, the story is being extended by stuff that (at least thus far) seems fairly unrelated to the overarching plot. Anyone wanna wage some bets on what the next arc will bring? :amuse

akoftroy

March 22, 2011, 11:34 AM

Now that the anime has been greenlit for a second season, the manga basically has to continue so we may get more arcs that are "filler-ish." I'm guessing will get some stuff about the characters but away from the manga making? We need more Fukuda action...

Anyone find it odd that True Human's run so long...? Good job Shizuka keeping it going. Maybe we'll get an arc where it's canceled and Shizuka has to deal with the heartbreak?

saladesu

March 23, 2011, 12:54 AM

Not really, just because the anime has got a second season doesn't mean the manga has to go on and on. It's not like there's insufficient material for a second season. In fact, there's already enough material in the 125 chapters of Bakuman to fill nearly 3 seasons! The current season is about to end and it has only covered until around chapter 30. This season will most likely end with Ashirogi getting their serialization.

I do agree it would be nice to see the spotlight on Fukuda for a change, though :) We've been having a lot of Hiramaru and Aoki, and I guess Ohba's forgotten than Fukuda was also rather popular back in the day.

I don't think there will be an arc dedicated just to TH getting canceled, but it could feature in an upcoming arc and a few panels/pages dedicated to Shizuka thinking it's "game over" again :amuse If any new rivals are going to be introduced, some currently ongoing manga will have to go and Shizuka's will probably be a candidate.

akoftroy

March 23, 2011, 11:38 AM

Yes, really. It's called BUSINESS! Which Jump is very successful at.

saladesu

March 24, 2011, 03:09 AM

They are :) But what I'm saying is that the second season being greenlit is not the reason why the story has to be extended. If you told me a third or fourth season had been greenlit, then yes maybe. But a second season? No, because like I already said, there's more than enough material to make a second season as it is.

Of course, one might say that Shueisha has to keep the hype going by having the manga ongoing as well, but in that case it's just never going to end, especially with the rate at which chapters are being "converted" to episodes (for other Jump series, it's typically 1ep=3ch, but for Bakuman it's like 1ep=1.5ch or less). Besides, Death Note's anime started after the manga ended, so it's not an argument that is necessarily true. Either way, if this keeps up, and more people lose interest, then that's not going to be good for Shueisha either :/

Quaro1987

March 24, 2011, 06:47 AM

Either way, if this keeps up, and more people lose interest, then that's not going to be good for Shueisha either :/

I don't think Bakuman is that important to Jump's bottomline.

saladesu

March 25, 2011, 08:59 AM

It's not as important as One Piece, definitely :p But it is one of the better sellers in Jump right now - OP, Naruto, Bleach, Reborn, Gintama, Bakuman and Mago are the ones that sell the most right now. If people are going to lose interest and stop reading, surely it is in Jump's interest to find a new series (though the question would be whether they can :)) that can take its place rather than keep a series on when its popularity is on the decline.

Anyway, discussion of Bakuman's popularity doesn't belong in the chapter discussion thread, but if you'd like to discuss it further feel free to take it to the hangout :tem
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There was a missing page in chapter 124 (was missing in the raw...), pg 13, and it affected part of the translation of pg 3 of 125 as well, albeit very slightly. Please check it out: chapter 124 (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/28328) and 125 (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/28442) :)

I think versions 2s of these 2 chapters should be out by MRI soon enough.

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March 30, 2011, 05:02 AM

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R4n

March 30, 2011, 05:26 AM

^ i am currently enjoying Nana's epic faces. I don't like him as a character, but he's just... very entertaining right now. :D

kagato23

March 30, 2011, 10:00 AM

That guy looks wayyyy too smug. Period.

I don't care if he got #1 in every category. He's still too smug. :P

Looks like things are not over yet. Well, people did think the arc was going too fast.

Kibate

March 31, 2011, 03:42 AM

Looks like Obata trys his best to top every week the last weeks freaky faces of nanami
This guy is seriously batshit insane

Kotaku

March 31, 2011, 11:41 AM

Wow! I no buy Jump yet. My convenience store no sell Jump yet. I cannot believe here can see picture of Jump!

I like Nanamine-sensei. He is so cool. Obata-sensei draw Nanamine-sensei face so funny. I always laugh ww

akoftroy

March 31, 2011, 04:05 PM

Here's the spoiler:
I'm not going to got through all the steps because it's too much work. This is a spoiler thread so why do the spoilers need to be hidden? Anyway, the MOD can fix this if they want.

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Shujin is 120% confident he can win. He explains it basically with "too many cooks in the kitchen ruin the meal." He later says that it's possible to create great manga the way Nanamine does but in order for it to happen, all the advisers would need to be angels and the mangaka would need to be a god.

Meanwhile, Nanamine is reassuring his peeps that the series is doing fine. But Nakai overhears the editor saying how the latest chapter came in 16th. He vows to do something by telling the advisers to try harder!

The advisers have started having meetings without Nanamine where they complain about him. Some doubt he is being honest and are calling him Uso-mine.(Uso=Lie) Some are saying they will quit if he is lying to them. Nakai sneaks in and tells them the real ranking and that they need to work harder. They all quit in disgust with Nanamine's deception. Then Kosugi arrives with the results. PCP=3rd, Yuuigi=19th. Nobody is voting for both of them anymore.

PS:
Nakai-Hey, wanna go out for dinner?
Girl Assistant-No way, I don't want people thinking I have a weird dad.

jojophile

March 31, 2011, 06:52 PM

Thx, and I think that line from the girl assist. will finally
knock the sense Nakai has been soo desparately needed ^ ^

So very soon they'll all be allies! Wonder how this arc will end.

kagato23

March 31, 2011, 10:52 PM

So that last page is just him having gone completely insane?

Reclaimer

April 01, 2011, 09:01 PM

So that last page is just him having gone completely insane?
Thats what it looks like.

saladesu

April 02, 2011, 12:13 AM

Yes, he goes completely insane in the last page :XD He does make some really epic faces in this chapter, so look forward to that :p

Anyway, here's the translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/28681). Was done a while ago but I was too sleepy after doing it to post.

I hope you all had a nice April Fool's Day :tem:3c:hurr

•Sasuke•

April 02, 2011, 05:01 AM

Chapter 126 ch scan

http://coldpic.sfacg.com/AllComic/435/126/

k-dom

April 02, 2011, 06:26 AM

I guess Bakuman typesetter are happy this arc ends. Typesetting all these chat panel must be a hassle :-)

Knifeshade

April 02, 2011, 06:48 AM

LMAO @ Nakai getting pwned by the assistant girl (as well as generally acting like an idiot). XD

Also. The facials. Oh, man, the facials. Both Shujin's and Nanamine's. XD

Was an okay chapter, practically felt like an obligatory tie loose end chapter really.

Though I can't help thinking if Nanamine ever 180s himself, he's going to team up with Nakai again. *cringe*

SHINOBI-03

April 02, 2011, 06:56 AM

Chapter is out: http://www.mediafire.com/?s02j2aaomg7nxod

Googlez_kun

April 02, 2011, 08:26 AM

:fail
Seriously,Nakai is a retard.I was waiting for him to get punched by Nanamine,but sadly,Nanamine forgot about it(unlike Fukuda and Ko in earlier chapters:sei).

I guess Shujin's analysis made sense,but it's still kinda dissapointed that Nanamine failed so hard.

Quaro1987

April 02, 2011, 09:03 AM

saladesu

April 02, 2011, 09:17 AM

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saladesu

April 02, 2011, 09:44 AM

I guess Bakuman typesetter are happy this arc ends. Typesetting all these chat panel must be a hassle :-)

Translator also is happy :hurr

But honestly, Bakuman is in general a very wordy series - also requires a lot of redrawing. Things may not actually get better from this chapter on :XD

Come on. Nanamine failed because he wanted to overlap with PCP? Really? Then it's not his method's fault, it's his choices which were wrong. VERY wrong.

I think it is a mixture of both really. The problems with his method/choices:

1) Too many people/ideas = inconsistency

2) Tried to stuff each chapter with too many ideas = too cluttered

3) Tried to overlap too much with PCP = when people vote, they vote for the better one which, based on 1) and 2), would be PCP

Not to mention other stuff that was also brought up like, not knowing who he's actually working with (school kids and otaku...? Hardly the best advisors you can get), chances of leaks...

k-dom

April 02, 2011, 10:06 AM

Sorry I forgot about you. Many thanks like always. Btw, a curiosity question for you. how are writen the pseudo in the original version. Latin or japanese alphabet ( or both)
And I agree with you it's a bit of both. The number of people was not a wise shot from the start. The plagiarism of PCP a very stupid idea and lying to his coworkers the fatal blow

Newkerzy

April 02, 2011, 10:07 AM

^But we are Otaku as well. But the one fatal flaw is that he didn't try to debate their ideas with them, I bet. And that was his downfall. I'll say it again, Nanamine's methods are sound and I approve of it. But he didn't do it correctly.

sir_arles

April 02, 2011, 10:42 AM

I expecting this arc to show us something significant. Right now, I don't see the point of extending this part of the story much longer if it won't affect Bakuman in the long run.

If bringing back nakai was the propose of this arc, it wasn't necessary to make it so long.
Hopefully I'm totally wrong and the end of the arc will be awesome XD

Negative Syndicate

April 02, 2011, 10:42 AM

If Nanamine still wants to work in his method, then he should work in small group (maybe maximum five) and change the author's name into team's name, then every member will get the credit.

I think many people have thought about Nanamine's style and many of them would have thought it is good method. So, I think Ohba created to show what are weaknesses for this method.

Lastly, since Nanamine arc has ended (I think), I wonder if Ashirogi will return to work on their new battle manga that was mentioned on chapter 120.

luffyg2

April 02, 2011, 11:04 AM

Ah the taste of defeat always make a guy go crazy.... Still I feel like Nanamine did not learn the lesson and will try to find some other way to beat PCP.. but its too late now.. cancellation is just a matter of time after those horrible ranking

Minato-sama

April 02, 2011, 05:01 PM

wow didn't expect calculate type to go insane
i guess what the joker said is true
"You see, madness, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little push!"
And Ashirogi Muto push him hard.

D.Blue

April 02, 2011, 08:30 PM

wow didn't expect calculate type to go insane

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/271/2/3/light__s_laugh_by_sweetfanoholic-d2zp0ir.jpg

Well, I totally got familiar vibes from the moment I saw him making wickedly twisted faces out of a sudden.

I'm sure I wasn't the only one to notice the similarities. It seems Ohba is quite found of making his smart-ass characters totally lose it as they are outsmarted into a corner. Obata most love drawing them too. I don't really mind it, just an observation. I knew Nanamine would go insane sooner or later (okay, maybe not).

__________________
Anyway, I hate him. He walked around all high and mighty as though he was some kind of genius, however he was just focusing on a strategy that would get him the most desirable outcome with the least effort.

It was all about the results for him, not the process. Instead of finding enjoyment in working on his own ideas, he simply draws the most convenient ones from a bottomless pool of anonymous random thoughts. As someone who would probably go crazy with an opportunity to show his own work for the world to see, I find his methods utterly disgusting.

...Yeah, I'm not very rational of me to think so highly of manga, but I trully respect it as an art form and Nanamine's attitude just reminds me how often it is just taken as a soulless commercial product for mass consumption rather than a means of expressing one's creativity, done with sincerity and care.

akoftroy

April 02, 2011, 09:44 PM

Nanamine and Nakai were kind of similar to Light and Mikami in the final chaps of Death Note. Nakai trying to help but causing Nanamine's downfall...(in a way)

It would have been nice if we had gotten to see some of both of these competing chapters... Oh, well. So I guess Nanamine has about 7~10 chapters to turn his ranking around. No idea how he'll do it... Lots of boobies?

Jaymie

April 02, 2011, 09:52 PM

I love how Nobuo turned out to be a group of giggling girls. That basically sums up how flawed Nana's method was.

And now he's... cracked. Obata's amazing at drawing crazy people. I hope Nana sticks around after this arc is over. Shizuka sort of... disappeared, and he was another one of my favorites.

R4n

April 02, 2011, 10:20 PM

Waaait a minute, isn't everything Shujin said is what the netizens predicted a long long time ago? HOLY SHIT OHBA/OBATA IS LURKING AROUND IN FORUMS. :m3j
*looks around suspiciously* :onoz

... just joking :p

-----
About his chapter, i enjoy Nana's creepy face. Hahah. Now that all of his 'advisors' are gone, he only has Kosugi left. And guess what? Kosugi is already conveniently there when everybody left and Nana snapped!

This end result is also what the netizens predicted *cough cough cough*

and in my opinion i don't think Bakuman is being preachy. What Shujin said make sense. Too many directions sink the ship. This arc is not really making the editor's an infallible god or something. I don't think so. If that is the case then why Ohba bother making an arc about Miura-san? ^^

And i seriously DON'T think Nana is 'listening to the fans' or similar bullshit like that. No. He basically just gathered a group of people to churn ideas out. If he is 'creating what the fans' want, he will make it open... not a ~SUPAA SEKRIT~ and exclusive meeting with 50 people he picked. :p
Besides, there is not such thing as 'following what the fans' want. You can't please everybody.

For example, in KHR itself there are a lot of people who dislikes the box weapons and want them gone. But on the other hand some people loves them (i don't know why). See what i mean by you can't please everybody? xDDD

Newkerzy

April 03, 2011, 04:02 AM

Shujin said Nanamine would've needed to be a god to really be able to make his series a hit with those 50 men. I'll add a little to this: he doesn't really need to, really. All you need is about 4-5 years of experience of chat board membership. That and he probably should visit MH once in a while.:p I'm sure he could really be a big hit.:p After all, I think MH is the best place to discuss manga and plotlines (yes, I bow my head to the founders here!!):D

(Really do hope some Japanese mangaka start hiring translators to help 'em out here)

natli

April 03, 2011, 06:16 AM

"For a moment I thought it was a good idea to use"

ha! I knew it :D A man after my own heart. I bet Shujin began reading PCP boards to test the ground, right after Nanamine left :D

Having a think tank of 50 people who will offer their ideas to you is a good thing, no matter how you look at it. But I would pay them a lot. know their names, the places they live, and what they ate for lunch. have loads of blackmail material. And demand a right to have the final say. I would create a manga cartel :D

I could have failed even under this circumstances, but my point is that while Nanamine had a great idea its execution was pathetic.

meepers4982

April 03, 2011, 08:45 AM

i love the way obha represented Nananimes madness it was really interesting to see him snap in the end, i mean he kind of deserved it. Nakai unintentionally did the right thing however i still really dislike the character, he only thinks about himself.

Reclaimer

April 03, 2011, 02:35 PM

Bakuman couldn't get more preachy even if they wanted to (ok they could, but anyway).

Come on. Nanamine failed because he wanted to overlap with PCP? Really? Then it's not his method's fault, it's his choices which were wrong. VERY wrong.
Exactly.
This ark served two purposes:
1) The return of an even more worthless Nakai
2) Proselytizing about the value of hard work.

I would contend that Shujin is flat wrong in his speech. You aren't going to be getting 50 ideas just because you have 50 people. You'd get maybe 10. And I bet you could decide which you want to go with in under an hour, even if you get more than my specified 10. And since arcs are more than one chapter long and you can use good ideas later seeing as many mangas don't have stories that progress in a way to prevent it, you wouldn't have to have your internet group come up with a brilliant new idea every week. And is there a limit to how many times you can take a 1 week hiatus per year? If you take one every 12-16 chapters (thats 3-4 per year), you can buy yourself even more time.

That being said, you'd be damned crazy to rely on a group of internet persons to come up with all of your ideas. Give their thoughts on your chapters before they are published (like an editor), sure maybe, but anything else would be crazy.

saladesu

April 03, 2011, 11:03 PM

No, he wouldn't get 50 ideas. At any one time even when he did still have 50 advisors, only around maybe 30 or 40 would actually be in the chat room (I think he mentioned a number but I forget). Among them, of course there would be some who don't come up with anything, but looking at their chat room logs, they do suggest quite a lot. Probably more than 10 imo.

That being said, you'd be damned crazy to rely on a group of internet persons to come up with all of your ideas. Give their thoughts on your chapters before they are published (like an editor), sure maybe, but anything else would be crazy.

I totally agree.

Sorry I forgot about you. Many thanks like always. Btw, a curiosity question for you. how are writen the pseudo in the original version. Latin or japanese alphabet ( or both)

Sorry, I don't get your question ^^; How is what written? The words in the speech bubbles? :headscratch

h3dvix

April 04, 2011, 05:07 AM

Refreshing chapter! There was only 1 panel of Nakai stuffing his face with food for the whole chapter... it was fairly small too..

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April 06, 2011, 07:32 AM

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alphabeta

April 06, 2011, 07:56 AM

Honestly, Obata just managed to give me the creeps, drawing Nanamine with his Kira-style laugh. I don't remember feeling this way even when i read Death Note.

That aside, what happened to Nanamine, so he had to put patches on? A hand-to-hand fight with Kosugi? Nakai went into his room a second time and accidently fell over crushed Nanamine half to death? Thinking about this a second time, it's more likely he just fell of his chair -_-;. Also, what are Saiko and Shuujin so happy about? Nanamine's going to become an angel and draw manga now solely by himself?

I don't care how bad Nanamine is, but he just looks awesome in that last page :dancin

Well, maybe it's just Obata's drawings :p

yukilove21

April 06, 2011, 09:29 AM

This is probably the best birthday present evar!
Thanks!
I really think Obata and Ohba miss Death Note. A lot. :amuse

I don't care how bad Nanamine is, but he just looks awesome in that last page :dancin

I find it totally EPIC.

Magnus

April 06, 2011, 04:00 PM

Looks like Nanamine is still undergoing his harsh journey through the depths of insanity... in the epic page he's saying "so it's no use, huh ? I LOOOOOST !!!"
But seriously, is it that hard for him to realise his defeat ? Seems a bit exaggerated to me... or is it that there is a whole scandal going on about his methods ? That would be enough to cause him a nervous breakdown.

winterwyrm

April 06, 2011, 04:22 PM

But seriously, is it that hard for him to realise his defeat ? Seems a bit exaggerated to me... or is it that there is a whole scandal going on about his methods ? That would be enough to cause him a nervous breakdown.

It's really not surprising that he is having a mental breakdown of some sort. Nanamine always wanted to defeat the killer duo, since he was a little kid. I think he really felt that he was lower than them, and saw them as his superiors from the start, but he wanted to defeat them just to help his self esteem, and, dare I say it? to win their approval, which may have been the only thing he ever wanted.

I look at Nanamine and all I see is insecurity, he puts up a happy face all the time to hide his real personality, keeping an emotional distance, and lies and exaggerates to avoid the truth that he can rarely bare to face. He often challenges and pushes others away, using his deceptions, material rewards, and subtly veiled threats to keep people in his power because he is afraid to attempt to seriously befriend them.

In addition, it has been said earlier on that he is a very talented mangaka, a combination between the genius and hard working, driven type, but, surprisingly, he doesn't do any of the work himself, neither the artwork or the storytelling; I strongly believe this is again because he is seriously insecure, believing he does not measure up to ashirogi muto, he spends even more time managing an expensive, impractical army of his just because he believes deep down that he can't do it himself.

This was his only chance to earn the admiration of his one childhood hero who he sent notes to every week, who inspired him to become a mangaka in the first place. He is alone, his reputation is shattered and he doesn't have a single success on his record, his only goal and dream of impressing ashirogi muto is dead forever, and they hate and look down on him more than anyone. This kind of mental state is like a house of cards, very unstable to begin with, and this event just took a sledgehammer to it. In short, yes, this is way too much for him to handle, I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to quit manga forever this chapter, or even if he took his own life after this.

tobeulp

April 06, 2011, 08:44 PM

I think Nanamine will change his ways now

Kibate

April 06, 2011, 09:16 PM

He seriously gone insane in the first page O.o
too bad he apparently changed by the end of the chapter, i wanted to see how further obata and ohba will take his insanity.

Reclaimer

April 07, 2011, 12:41 AM

I think Nanamine will change his ways now
I hope not.
To quote my boy John:
"To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav'n."

Anyway, if he becomes the good boy who toes the company line, the series will have become unrepentantly preachy.

sekida

April 07, 2011, 02:41 AM

Looks like Nananime arc is now over after this chapter.

Hoping the next arc should go straightly to the much awaited proper ambiguous battle whatever manga

Reclaimer

April 07, 2011, 02:02 PM

Hoping the next arc should go straightly to the much awaited proper ambiguous battle whatever manga
That would:
1) Put Bakuman on a straight shot to the end.
2) Utterly ruin the series.

Quaro1987

April 07, 2011, 03:15 PM

SHINOBI-03

April 07, 2011, 03:24 PM

fizban

April 07, 2011, 07:38 PM

That would be interested. Did Shueisha ever got sued for a similar case?

Possibly. I haven't looked through a jump magazine in a while, but I bet they have one of those "don't try this at home, kids" things put in there to avoid legal trouble.

Jaymie

April 07, 2011, 07:55 PM

I remember Shueisha apologizing for the Helium scene in Sket Dance, but I don't recall them ever being sued for the content in a manga.

Negative Syndicate

April 07, 2011, 08:56 PM

I think the next arc going to be the continuation that Ashirogi postpone on chapter 120.

R4n

April 07, 2011, 11:00 PM

Next arc: some children pull one of the pranks from PCP in real life, and the parents/victim sue Ashirogi Muto and Shounen Jump.

I'm sure Shuujin will give an excellent court speech, and point the finger Phoenix Wright style :D

That will be a very interesting arc :D

That would be interested. Did Shueisha ever got sued for a similar case?

I don't know anything that involve legal matters. But i remember the first chapter of Yotsuya-senpai got protests from people who are offended with the portrayal of a disabled girl.

fizban

April 08, 2011, 12:02 AM

That will be a very interesting arc :D

I don't know anything that involve legal matters. But i remember the first chapter of Yotsuya-senpai got protests from people who are offended with the portrayal of a disabled girl.

Oh man, I remember that. Yotsuya was pretty much doomed from that point on. If it hadn't JUST happened I'd say they should include something like that in the series.

I hope the Yotsuya author comes back soon. Real authors don't rebound nearly as quick as the ones in this series :/

saladesu

April 08, 2011, 10:07 AM

Thanks akoftroy for PMing these to me :amuse

Verification: Confirmed
Source: ??, MH
Credits: akoftroy

Nanamine is pissed he lost but now wants to give up and quit. Kosugi pleads with him to work together but Nanamine just bad mouths him and says there's no point. Then Kosugi punches him in the face. Says he hated Nanamine and his methods but he always admired his drive and can't believe he wants to give up now. Nanamine threatens to call the cops/sue Jump for the violence but Kosugi says go ahead and punches him again. But Nanamine chooses not to because he doesn't want to become an internet meme and says it's all over anyway. But Kosugi keeps yelling at him to not give up and that they can work together and save the series.

Nanamine-You hate me, I don't get why you're acting like this...
Kosugi-Isn't it obvious...? Because I'm your editor!

Kosugi refuses to leave until Nanamine agrees to work but he dozes off. He freaks out when he wakes up but Nanamine shows up and hands him a new storyboard.

At the New Years Party, Hiramaru freaks out because he thinks Yoshida and Aoki are a couple, but then "Oh! I just got another good idea!"

Takahama's series is becoming a drama and Shujin talks about maybe it's time to have kids...

Nanamine is there and approaches them. He bows and admits his defeat but vows to defeat them the next time with a new method. Kosugi is happy that Nanamine still hasn't lost his drive. Nanamine then leaves while Kosugi follows behind with a cliche "Wait for me, Nanamine-kun!":D

alphabeta

April 08, 2011, 11:27 AM

Hand-to-hand fight with Kosugi?! Shuujin's talking about it's time to get kids?!

Man, i can't wait for this chapter. Saladesu, go do your best and translate this as soon as you can:yourock

Yeah, my guess 'bout Nanamine fighting with Kosugi has been right, eh? Using saladesu's words: Am i a psychic or what? :3c

R4n

April 08, 2011, 12:13 PM

Nanamine does not want to be an internet meme? :D
Lol but he is already an internet meme! Usomine-senseiiii :D:D

Nanamine-You hate me, I don't get why you're acting like this...
Kosugi-Isn't it obvious...? Because I'm your editor!

Aaah my inner BL fangirl sense potential in this scene lol. In a NanaxKosugi doujinshi the scene will be like this: :p
Kosugi: "Isn't it obvious? Because i love you!!" *blush*

Sorry *cough*. Some of Bakuman fans had been (jokingly) talking about how Kosugi and Nanamine fits into the stereotypical BL couples: Abusive seme and the hapless uke. *cough* :tem

saladesu

April 08, 2011, 12:38 PM

akoftroy

April 08, 2011, 12:48 PM

Nanamine and Kosugi are definitely gonna be a hot dojinshi BL couple. ^^
The question is though...can Nanamine "do it" with Kosugi without the advice of his 50 followers...?

alphabeta

April 08, 2011, 12:49 PM

:zomg R4n, I knew I wasn't the only one!

I totally felt yaoi undertones in this chapter. Like seriously there's a line that goes "Until you say you'll do it with me, I'm not leaving, neither am I letting you leave!" :rofl

Too many lines in this chapter can be taken entirely out of context and plonked into a yaoi manga. And you know what, even before reading your post I already added in strikeout to the translation, "Because I love you!", at the same part you did :XD :hi5

Uh, translation coming soon. I'm... "taking a break" :p

Some of you guys might know that i'm doing reviews and as a bonus i add some funny (like i think) pictures. Well, the thing is i did a certain yaoi pic for my next review, even before the spoilers for 127 came out, and guess who's on it? Well, you'll have to wait for my next review of 127 :p

If it comes down to taking things out of context, saladesu knows, i'm a pro at this :3c

saladesu

April 08, 2011, 12:52 PM

Here we go~
Bakuman 127 translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/28774)

/me slinks off to translate animanga news before fainting and dying somewhere

R4n

April 08, 2011, 12:54 PM

alphabeta

April 08, 2011, 01:07 PM

@Salad: Hahahah glad we think alike! :D

Many WSJ manga are can be easily thrown into the yaoi realm. That is because of the massive amount of bromance and 'friendship'. xD

@akoftroy: Nanamine consulting his love life with 50 followers is a very hilarious mental image hahahaha. It can be the twisted version of 'Densha Otoko' :D

Where's @alphabeta. WHERE? I make a post, how my guesses have been right. No one answers. I make a post with information about my next review. No one anwers. Don't go ignoring an important contributer to the bakuman section:yelling

Well, as not to make this post just completly spam, if you read salad's translation, you'll find out that Nana isn't that bad. He created the original idea for Cot by himself.

akoftroy

April 08, 2011, 01:14 PM

Looking forward to your review, alphabeta! :)

alphabeta

April 08, 2011, 01:17 PM

Looking forward to your review, alphabeta! :)

Those are the right words, however the overhelming amount of irony and sarcasm makes one doubt their truthfullness :p

saladesu

April 08, 2011, 01:22 PM

alphabeta

April 08, 2011, 01:31 PM

Let's stay on topic - This thread is for discussing the chapter and what happens in it, and what you think will happen next :)

Personally, I like that Ohba-sensei is showing us yet another New Year's Party. It somehow feels like part of a mangaka's year, a major event where all the mangaka gather together... And we got to see Fukuda, Iwase, even Takahama again which I thought was really nice :amuse

I hope the fact that Ashirogi were feeling jealous etc that the rest had animes and dramas means that the next arc will be directly linked to them doing something to improve their chances of getting an anime :)

I don't know about Ashirogi finally making a move towards ending PCP. So far the past few arcs have sort of not really been directly linked to the overarching plot.

ma'am, yes, saladesu, ma'am. Only topic-related posts from now. As to those two quotes, this is a good-bye present to my post-about-everything-i-want-self :pwnge . And a reminder, as to how my prediction about Ashirogi starting to make moves to make an anime-approved-manga has been right (read my review).

saladesu

April 08, 2011, 01:41 PM

The question also is whether or not they will make a brand new manga with which they will get an anime, or whether they will modify PCP in some way (you can never predict such things with Ohba) such that it becomes suitable to get an anime. Or, if they will use one of their old ideas and develop it further now that their skills have been sharpened over the years, they have more experience and etc.

I personally would like if the latter 2 cases were true. It would feel like they really came full circle (and thus an appropriate ending to the manga come to it) if they used one of the ideas they had way back when, modified it, and made it awesome...

But a problem with them starting a brand new series or even modifying an old idea is that for it to get an anime will take at least what, 2 years? Beelzebub got an anime before hitting 100 chapters, and that's already considered "fast". Toriko and Mago both got one around 120+/130+ chapters. That's a good 2 years more they have to work. And look at Shuujin already talking about having to postpone having a kid :XD

Reclaimer

April 08, 2011, 03:15 PM

The question also is whether or not they will make a brand new manga with which they will get an anime, or whether they will modify PCP in some way (you can never predict such things with Ohba) such that it becomes suitable to get an anime.
Ignoring whether it is even possible for them to modify PCP in such a way as to make it "appropriate" for an anime for a minute, the best solution is obviously for them to continue working to make PCP better and get an anime when it is so popular that someone is willing to bite the bullet and risk complaints about sponsoring it.

If they end PCP and make a new manga or even modify it, they will confirm themselves to be the spoiled quitters I was starting to consider them before they appeared to mature.

Even if they COULD change PCP (something they previously discussed and dismissed as impossible), they would be faced with the issue that a huge chunk of the beginning of the series is "inappropriate" for an anime. The only way I can see around that is so awful as to make it not worth doing.

Knifeshade

April 08, 2011, 08:38 PM

Would've been nice if Shizuka was there at the new year's party to round out the authors. If we got to see Takahama, we should get to see Shiratori and Shizuka also (though I can't remember how many chapters the former put out before they canned him).

Reclaimer

April 08, 2011, 09:00 PM

If we got to see Takahama, we should get to see Shiratori and Shizuka also (though I can't remember how many chapters the former put out before they canned him).
I'm pretty sure our brilliant author who could out-write the author of Enigma at his own story never bothered to tell us that or that his series was struggling at all.

And there is really no point complaining about not being able to see characters: our brilliant author who could out-write the author of Enigma at his own story does a piss poor job of managing the character bloat he has created. It is what it is.

(Note: Any sarcasm one might think they detect in this post is not directed at the person to which this is a response or anyone in particular)

alphabeta

April 08, 2011, 11:02 PM

But a problem with them starting a brand new series or even modifying an old idea is that for it to get an anime will take at least what, 2 years? Beelzebub got an anime before hitting 100 chapters, and that's already considered "fast". Toriko and Mago both got one around 120+/130+ chapters. That's a good 2 years more they have to work. And look at Shuujin already talking about having to postpone having a kid :XD

130 chapters? If Ohba keeps up that pacing s/he had in 126 Ashirogi will get an anime by somewhere around chapter 150. (5 weeks per chapter x 26 = 130) But, since this is impossible it's more likely they'll get one aroung chapter 200 (max 250). The thing is, Ashirogi's goal (actually only Saikou's now). Getting an anime and finally loosing his virginity marrying Azuki. In the beginning of the series they had a (nearly) impossible goal, of getting an anime by 18. Now they're already 21, and the longer it takes 'em to get an anime the "less cool" their goal becomes. (getting an anime by the age of 30 is the epitome of achieving one's goal to get one at 18-_-;) Well, more of this in my review of 127 :p

(Note: Any sarcasm one might think they detect in this post is not directed at the person to which this is a response or anyone in particular)

P.S. If by the smallest chance, completly theoratacally, someone wanted to tell me something, i would much more appreciate it, if that person would just quote out my post and answer me directly.

Iceiphoenix

April 09, 2011, 03:11 AM

Chapter is out. ^^ http://ieatsoul.com/manga-releases/bakuman-127/

jorped

April 09, 2011, 05:49 AM

chapter is out also at mangareader
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nice chapter!

hope that Nanamine has really changed!

Don't know what to expect from on, i still hope that they create a better manga , and they get an anime with it :XD

saladesu

April 09, 2011, 05:56 AM

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saladesu

April 09, 2011, 06:11 AM

Ignoring whether it is even possible for them to modify PCP in such a way as to make it "appropriate" for an anime for a minute, the best solution is obviously for them to continue working to make PCP better and get an anime when it is so popular that someone is willing to bite the bullet and risk complaints about sponsoring it.

I would like this as well, but imo it feels a little lame if the reason given for it getting an anime eventually after being denied one was "Oh, it got so popular we didn't have a choice".

If they end PCP and make a new manga or even modify it, they will confirm themselves to be the spoiled quitters I was starting to consider them before they appeared to mature.

If they bring PCP to an end gracefully and not end it abruptly like with Tanto, I wouldn't have too much of a problem with it. Of course them actually continuing PCP would be preferable (when I said I would prefer them to modify an old idea, I meant I preferred it to them starting a brand new series with a brand new idea, sorry if I didn't make that clear :sweat). It wouldn't do them any good to pull the same thing they did with Tanto and insist that they be allowed to do a new series.

Even if they COULD change PCP (something they previously discussed and dismissed as impossible), they would be faced with the issue that a huge chunk of the beginning of the series is "inappropriate" for an anime. The only way I can see around that is so awful as to make it not worth doing.

Yeah, that's true too and kinda sucks, but it wouldn't be the first time an anime's premise was modified. A sizable chunk of the beginning of Nurarihyon no Mago's manga was taken out and not animated (but was referenced to at some parts of the anime, which I found odd). It wasn't anywhere near 100 chapters or whatever number PCP is at, but due to the episodic nature of PCP, it might be possible to select the most harmless pranks of the pranks they were pulling and only animate those.

130 chapters? If Ohba keeps up that pacing s/he had in 126 Ashirogi will get an anime by somewhere around chapter 150. (5 weeks per chapter x 26 = 130) But, since this is impossible it's more likely they'll get one aroung chapter 200 (max 250). The thing is, Ashirogi's goal (actually only Saikou's now). Getting an anime and finally loosing his virginity marrying Azuki. In the beginning of the series they had a (nearly) impossible goal, of getting an anime by 18. Now they're already 21, and the longer it takes 'em to get an anime the "less cool" their goal becomes. (getting an anime by the age of 30 is the epitome of achieving one's goal to get one at 18-_-;) Well, more of this in my review of 127 :p

There could be a time skip, an unexplained 3 months, or 6 months gone by... Who knows.

I thought it was actually pretty interesting that they didn't achieve the goal they set out to attain (anime by 18) - it actually broke a genre cliche there. It did show that they matured and mellowed, another good thing. It does make it "less cool" that they'll be achieving their goal much later in the future, but it's more realistic like that, I guess :p

Oh and another thing I would like to see in upcoming arc(s) is more Azuki involvement! :yelling

Koen

April 09, 2011, 06:15 AM

Cool chapter. The interaction between nanamine and kosugi was quite serious. I think that Nanamine found out that Kosugi was the only person who never left him even when Nanamine treated him like trash. I think that Nanamine has changed because he eventually mustered courage. He was reasonable enough to give his idol/opponent a hand. The brand new method he is talking about, is definitely referring to the fact that he will listen more to his editor.

alphabeta

April 09, 2011, 06:50 AM

Oh and another thing I would like to see in upcoming arc(s) is more Azuki involvement! :yelling

In what kinda situations, do you want Azuki to involve... (answer this question right, and all male readers will :beer you..)

As for the chapter, i really liked it. The whole part with Kosugi fighting and all, was just great and, well, wait for my review, where i give it some bigger thoughts. Speaking, about review, i'm already 'bout 30% ready, with having done all the pics, and written some thoughts. :p

Kibate

April 09, 2011, 11:17 AM

so in the end the typical fist-to-the-face shonen method worked again "Clench your teeth nanamine!!"

but i gotta admit, he looked kinda cool in the second to last page, overall the entire chapter looked drawn neatly, as if obata used a thinner pen or something(or it was just the scanlation team messing around)
i will miss insane nanamine though^^"

natli

April 09, 2011, 11:46 AM

"Because I'm your editor!!!"
XDXDXD
This sets new standards of lameness for me.

But the new Nanamine looks cool, I have to admit.

piccu

April 09, 2011, 01:50 PM

@saladesu & R4n: I love it the fact that I'm not just imagining the things as a BL fangirl, the yaoi undertones are damn overwhelming :D You can pretty much take any panel where Kosugi is talking out of context to achieve that kind of effect ahaha.

Obligatory "I love you" edit:
http://i55.tinypic.com/zxpoqr.png

This was one of my favorite chapters, I didn't want Nanamine to end up miserably, because that would have been a waste of his talent and I'm glad that Kosugi got gazillion times cooler by knocking some sense into him.

Too bad the Nanamine arc is now concluded, I'd love a focus on Eiji, he hasn't gotten any character development for a long time and it's time for him to cancel a series 8'D

kagato23

April 09, 2011, 01:52 PM

Well, he's probably doomed to be never seen again, but at least Kosugi got to punch him. It is a shonen after all. This is the most action the series has seen in a long time!

alphabeta

April 09, 2011, 02:48 PM

Well, he's probably doomed to be never seen again, but at least Kosugi got to punch him. It is a shonen after all. This is the most action the series has seen in a long time!

I'm pretty sure we ARE going to see him again, especially, after he's made such big statements, and Obata's gone through the trouble to create him a new pair of clothes:p

The point is when and how. At the next meeting of Team Fukuda? At his and Kosugi's wedding? Well, you can see, the possiblities are infinite.

@piccu Is that "I love you" edit selfmade, or was is already uploaded somewhere, i didn't notice?

piccu

April 09, 2011, 03:03 PM

I'm pretty sure we ARE going too see him again, especially, after he's made such big statements, and Obata's gone through the trouble to create him a new pair of clothes:p
I freaking love Nanamine's fabulous sense of fashion, everyone else would probably look ridiculous in that tiger-print t-shirt, but he can semi pull it off? The way he walked out like boss really does make me think he's going to come back, otherwise he could just disappear like Nakai XD

The "I love you" edit is selfmade, it's kind of my secret hobby ahaha. I've made a few other Bakuman edits, the most recent ones are all about Kosugi and Nanamine, though. *cough cough*
http://i56.tinypic.com/2v92plk.png
http://i54.tinypic.com/2mrh26a.png

However, the best panel of the chapter didn't need any edit, Nanamine's face makes it even more priceless.
http://i55.tinypic.com/1zxqk3l.png

alphabeta

April 09, 2011, 03:07 PM

I freaking love Nanamine's fabulous sense of fashion, everyone else would probably look ridiculous in that tiger-print t-shirt, but he can semi pull it off? The way he walked out like boss really does make me think he's going to come back, otherwise he could just disappear like Nakai XD

The "I love you" edit is selfmade, it's kind of my secret hobby ahaha. I've made a few other Bakuman edits, the most recent ones are all about Kosugi and Nanamine, though. *cough cough*
http://i56.tinypic.com/2v92plk.png
http://i54.tinypic.com/2mrh26a.png

However, the best panel of the chapter didn't need any edit, Nanamine's face makes it even more priceless.
http://i55.tinypic.com/1zxqk3l.png

Woah, i just found someone else who makes edits with bakuman pages:beer

That first one with Kosugi talking 'bout Nanamine's design is SO professionally made, i'm envying ya :yelling

Maybe you're gonna check out my review, and comment my edit's i made back then. I'd really apreciatte it, especially, from someone like you, with your tallent and stuff.

That aside, you're not gonna believe it, but i'm using the same panel like your second spoiler, in my review of 127 (only about 70% percent ready, right now, so you'll have to wait till tomorow to read it)

piccu

April 09, 2011, 03:22 PM

Woah, i just found someone else who makes edits with bakuman pages:beer

That first one with Kosugi talking 'bout Nanamine's design is SO professionally made, i'm envying ya :yelling

Maybe you're gonna check out my review, and comment my edit's i made back then. I'd really apreciatte it, especially, from someone like you, with your tallent and stuff.

That aside, you're not gonna believe it, but i'm using the same panel like your second spoiler, in my review of 127 (only about 70% percent ready, right now, so you'll have to wait till tomorow to read it)
Haha, thank you for leaving such a kind of comment! I used to do some casual scanlating in the past and I still enjoy editing just for fun. It's awesome that there are other people that enjoy editing Bakuman panels and pages!

I haven't been to Mangahelpers for a very long time, but thanks to this glorious chapter featuring my favorite mangaka/editor combo I'm back! I'll definitely check out your reviews now, sounds like fun :D

Googlez_kun

April 09, 2011, 05:35 PM

kagato23

April 09, 2011, 06:44 PM

I'm pretty sure we ARE going to see him again, especially, after he's made such big statements, and Obata's gone through the trouble to create him a new pair of clothes:p

I dunno, you make a point about his clothes, but I'd still bet he's likely not reappearing for a long while at least. How many rivals do they have now? How often do they get face time? Nanamine's gotta get in line. :P

Reclaimer

April 09, 2011, 08:36 PM

Was I supposed to be inspired by Kosugi's actions? I'm not.

Will Nanamine return? This is Bakuman so he could be the focus of an entirely new arc in the future or we could see him once or twice again before the end of the series. I'm leaning towards the latter.

jorped

April 10, 2011, 05:44 AM

Damn you Ohba!Some chapters ago i wanted to stab Nanamine,but now he managed to make him awesome and now i like him!:bored

I'm really looking forward to Nanamine's future as a manga-ka in JUMP.Will he be a serious rival like Eiji or will he degenerate to those weak rivals like Fukuda and Ko?
I also can't wait to see how Kosugi's and Nanamine's lovely relationship will develope.

:o

did you forget what he did on the previous chapters? did you see the way he talked and interacted with people?

he was nothing more than a fake, sarcastic, rude, ......

did this happened because of the way that he thought was the best method to make manga?

NO, this has nothing to do with it, it happens because he is not a very good person!

I understand what the Ohba is trying to do , but i am not going to start liking Nanamine just because he was less idiot this chapter and he changed is away of making manga!

he changed now his method of making manga , and at the same time he changed his personality ? am i suppose to believe in something like that ?

need to see more of him to be be able to feel sympathy for him

alphabeta

April 10, 2011, 06:13 AM

There could be a time skip, an unexplained 3 months, or 6 months gone by... Who knows.

Chapter 127: Nanamine-arc ends. Everyone is waiting what happens next.
Chapter 128: 5 year long time skip. Ashirogi made a new manga, which got an anime, Saikou & Azuki married, Bakuman ends :p

kidopitz27

April 10, 2011, 08:12 AM

so what if the next arc or chapter will be like nanamine's new or revised manga will have an anime and nanamine saw Miho and fell in love with her :) and then nanamine will ask Miho to be his seiyū for his anime :)

i just noticed that takagi already graduated collage MAN! time in bakuman sure runs fast and he already talking about having kids :)

alphabeta

April 10, 2011, 09:47 AM

The answer to all your questions, you've been itching to ask, but never could, because you're either to shy, or your internet-provider simply turned off your internet ------------> Bakuman review 127 (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69265)

Reclaimer

April 10, 2011, 01:47 PM

:o

did you forget what he did on the previous chapters? did you see the way he talked and interacted with people?

he was nothing more than a fake, sarcastic, rude, ......

did this happened because of the way that he thought was the best method to make manga?

NO, this has nothing to do with it, it happens because he is not a very good person!

I understand what the Ohba is trying to do , but i am not going to start liking Nanamine just because he was less idiot this chapter and he changed is away of making manga!

he changed now his method of making manga , and at the same time he changed his personality ? am i suppose to believe in something like that ?

need to see more of him to be be able to feel sympathy for him
People would agree with you on this, but if I was to say the same about that idiot Kosugi...

luffyg2

April 10, 2011, 04:19 PM

Well now that this arc is over hope they work on their new manga that will get them an anime this time... it seem so force not to give them an anime just because kid could copy what they see in it... kids copy everything they see.. and seeing how everyone got an anime / drama or something its really dumb that one of the most popular manga in jump would not get one

kagato23

April 10, 2011, 10:56 PM

People would agree with you on this, but if I was to say the same about that idiot Kosugi...

Kosugi isn't a bad person though, he had multiple flaws as an editor. These flaws can be fixed, and he'll be better for it, but he was never a bad person.

Consider Nakai, the exact opposite. Nakai is very skilled, great at what he does. But he is a horrible person, and we've seen him slide downward. THe fact he's as, if not more talented then ever is irrelevant.

Nanamine could become a great, creative genius. But if he's still a gigantic arrogant douchebag, he'll continue to be disliked. He's presented as a true antagonist as opposed to a rival in this way: Eiji, for example, gets on fine with the protagonists. He's actually helped them when it didn't pertain to them being in direct competition. Could you see Nanamine doing anything but taking delight in their misfortune if he'd been in that position?

Kosugi's biggest problem was he lacked balls. Well, now he's got some big brass ones, swinging in the wind. His actual editorial skills beyond people management have really never been explored, but unless he turns out to be a rank incompetent (unlikely), chances are he'll continue to be a far more sympathetic character, far easier to like.

Note that none of this necessarily makes any of them good or bad characters: not every antagonist is meant to be admired as a glorious bastard or sympathic anti-villain, sometimes the point of the character is that you just don't like them. (though of all the examples here, Nanamine is probably the only one meant to be this type, I suspect Nakai has a hope of redemption)

LoS

April 13, 2011, 05:07 AM

Spoilers are out and I am laughing so hard.

His incognito disguise was hilarious, and then he had some hot girls in front of him.

Ahhhh they finally face off, we knew it was going to happen. Probably will be most humorous fight in manga history.

alphabeta

April 13, 2011, 05:11 AM

Nakai is homeless, and draws now tourists for $ ???

A fight between Hiramaru and Nakai for Aoki... *haha... muhahaha*

This chapter CANNOT fail.

P.S. We see Nana this chapter - ... i predicted that, didn't i? :p And we see Fukuda (or atleast hear him)

saladesu

April 13, 2011, 10:02 AM

Next time, share the spoilers you find! :(

Verifcation: Confirmed
Credits: beggerking
Source: Manga Hideout

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6475/dsc1265r.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/dsc1265r.jpg/)

Image 2 (http://img852.imageshack.us/i/dsc1266.jpg/)

Interesting that we get to see Nanamine again this chapter, and it looks like Nakai has found a new job :amuse Hiramaru looks hilarious on the second image. Anything with Hiramaru is win~ :XD

If someone doesn't get to it before me, I'll post a translation tomorrow (/me is tired and has other stuff to take care of) :)

Negative Syndicate

April 13, 2011, 10:42 AM

I don't get this chapter. So is Ohba created this chapter to strengthen Aoki and Hiramaru relationship or just show the downfall of Nakai?

alphabeta

April 13, 2011, 12:48 PM

I don't get this chapter. So is Ohba created this chapter to strengthen Aoki and Hiramaru relationship or just show the downfall of Nakai?

My guess is that this is going to be a stand-alone filler chapter, before some big (or not) arc. Since Death Note, all chapters by Ohba/Obata have been great, so i expect some good laughs from this chapter. The setting is perfect. Negative-Hiramaru vs Fat-Nakai... you know, i wrote this, and guess what i just thought... Hiramaru x Nakai. They will both dump Aoki and go out with another... :hug

Joking... Just... Joking :p

yukilove21

April 13, 2011, 02:06 PM

My guess is that this is going to be a stand-alone filler chapter, before some big (or not) arc. Since Death Note, all chapters by Ohba/Obata have been great, so i expect some good laughs from this chapter. The setting is perfect. Negative-Hiramaru vs Fat-Nakai... you know, i wrote this, and guess what i just thought... Hiramaru x Nakai. They will both dump Aoki and go out with another... :hug

Joking... Just... Joking :p

First, you just made me laugh! XDDD!!!
Second, you have a point, every chapter of Death Note was great, and Bakuman always does cheer me up~
It's going to be a good chapter.;)

Jaymie

April 13, 2011, 02:28 PM

They brought Nakai back, so it's not like they can just dump him.

I hate how Nana looks like he's going to be Eiji/Shizuka v2 though. And poor Shizuka. I remember back when he actually posed a threat to Ashirogi.

SHINOBI-03

April 13, 2011, 02:39 PM

Is that a showdown between Hiramaru and Nakai?! I'll love to see how it goes!

Negative Syndicate

April 13, 2011, 03:34 PM

So, is there going to be first actual battle in Bakuman?

Reclaimer

April 13, 2011, 03:50 PM

Since Death Note, all chapters by Ohba/Obata have been great
Wow. Just wow.
I'd bet most people thought the second half of Death Note was not nearly as good compared to the first half (I'd say it was unreadable for huge chunks, and the ending was damned retarded)
I guess that means the boredom with the repetitiveness of Bakuman a number of people on this forum were experiencing before the Hiramaru/Aoki revival was boredom at how great Bakuman was.

So, is there going to be first actual battle in Bakuman?
Does Shujin punching someone not count?

alphabeta

April 13, 2011, 11:59 PM

Wow. Just wow.
I'd bet most people thought the second half of Death Note was not nearly as good compared to the first half (I'd say it was unreadable for huge chunks, and the ending was damned retarded)
I guess that means the boredom with the repetitiveness of Bakuman a number of people on this forum were experiencing before the Hiramaru/Aoki revival was boredom at how great Bakuman was.

At first i wanted to answer you myself, but then i read this

Second, you have a point, every chapter of Death Note was great, and Bakuman always does cheer me up~

and decided not to. If you didin't liked the 2nd half of Death Note... well, you didn't. Someone else did. I'm not forcing my opinion on ya. Anyway, i never said anything like the 2nd half being more interesting / better than the 1st. I said that Death Note was a great manga, nothing more nothing less. Like i quoted out before, someone else DOES agree with me. If you don't don't make it sound like everyone else shares your opinion.

Does Shujin punching someone not count?

That's it. Shuujin punched only that guy (forgot his name). You can't hardly say that's a fight, imo. It takes at least some reaction from the receiving party (like the physicall Light vs L fight)

masgrande

April 14, 2011, 02:15 AM

What the heck is Nakai doing to the intercom?:blink

Tias

April 14, 2011, 06:22 AM

Why can't the whole chapter be out? o_o
why can't someone translate the bits with Hiramura and Nakai? xD

Koen

April 14, 2011, 06:52 AM

Drawing tourists? I don't understand Nakai; or maybe not understanding Nanamine would sound more righteous. Nanamine should keep Nakai as an artist because he could use his skills. He has changed and he knew that his methods weren't good. Couldn't they become a good duo? They both have the skill and I don't think that the water between them is too deep.

alphabeta

April 14, 2011, 06:57 AM

Thing is why is Nakai drawing tourists instead of Aoki-doujinshis manga. If "What is required..." got canceled then why is Nanamine not sitting next to him, dancin' or dunno what else. If it's not, then why isn't Nakai next to Nana chatting with Ashirogi? I thought when Nana said last chapter Nakai is going to get the axe, it meant the whole "Team" of "What is required" will become unemployed, not just certain members.

akoftroy

April 14, 2011, 01:23 PM

Spoilers:

Verification: Confirmed
Source: MH
Credits: akoftroy

Everyone at the party confirms Nakai is working on Nanamine's manga and are happy he's back. Then they find out he's been fired and is working in the park drawing caricatures... Fukuda goes and offers him a job on his anime staff but he decides to go off with a hot girl who wants him to "draw her in private at her home." Mashiro arrives and yells that he has to do manga but Nakai goes with the girl. In one of the dumbest events in Bakuman history, it turns out the girl and her friends were just messing with Nakai and thought it would be funny to see if he'd accept the invitation.(What guy wouldn't?!) Anyway, Nakai is crushed, gets drunk, gets beaten up, goes to Aoki's house to bitch, gets confronted by Hiramaru...

PS-As Nakai runs off in tears, one of the girls says "Hey, you don't need to leave, we'll play with you a little bit." Thus Nakai ruins his chance to establish Nakai Harem...

Kibate

April 14, 2011, 04:06 PM

Ohba sure likes to make him a trainwreck. Like i said in a previous chapter several weeks ago, everytime it looks like "this is the point where nakai will change for the better" he does the complete opposite

saladesu

April 14, 2011, 10:52 PM

Poor Nakai :/ I have to agree with Kibate. Well, I still hope there will be some point soon where he changes for the better. He was a decent character long ago, but then Ohba-sensei decided to do all sorts of stuff with him and look at him now :s

He should have just taken Fukuda's offer there, he could probably have turned his life around then.

R4n

April 15, 2011, 01:26 AM

Aaargh NAKAI!!!!!
This is not the first time he ruins his chances because of his perverseness. Had he politely accepted Aoki's offer to work on a new manga, his life could have been better. Had he accepted Fukuda's offer, his life could be have been better.

Nakai, no girl wants a useless, perverted and unemployed man................
He disgusts me more and more x___x

Tias

April 15, 2011, 06:04 AM

I think this will strengthen the bond between Aoki & Hiramura 8D
Or i hope so, since i like that pairing o_o

alphabeta

April 15, 2011, 07:14 AM

Honestly, it was obvious that Nakai will become a punchbag in Bakuman, since the moment he was reintroduced. If he were to become a good character he woudn't

1. Be so fu***** WAY to fat :yelling

2. Work for an antogonists.

3. Eat his stress away with pizza, but go cry himself out with Saikou, like in the good ol' days.

4. would accept Fukuda's offer (last chance for him to become good)

All that's left for Nakai is to hope, someone will find a Death Note in the Bakuman-verse and write his name in it. :3c <----- maybe a certain alphabeta will do that? :3c

saladesu

April 15, 2011, 09:30 AM

Could be Nakai the one to open the door to Mashiro's second manga series in Jump?

You mean as an assistant? Or as the artist (while Mashiro does the story...?)? Honestly I wouldn't want this to happen especially in the latter case. IMO a lot of meaning would be lost if Saikou ends up getting an anime-worthy series with anyone other than Shuujin.

In the former case, however, that is a possibility. With his skills he would be a great asset and could probably help cut down the time needed for Saikou to have that second series. But, I would only want this to happen if Shuujin was still providing the story, for the same reason I stated above.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the scenes with Hiramaru, Aoki and Nakai. They should be very entertaining :nod

alphabeta

April 15, 2011, 09:32 AM

You mean as an assistant? Or as the artist (while Mashiro does the story...?)? Honestly I wouldn't want this to happen especially in the latter case. IMO a lot of meaning would be lost if Saikou ends up getting an anime-worthy series with anyone other than Shuujin.

In the former case, however, that is a possibility. With his skills he would be a great asset and could probably help cut down the time needed for Saikou to have that second series. But, I would only want this to happen if Shuujin was still providing the story, for the same reason I stated above.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the scenes with Hiramaru, Aoki and Nakai. They should be very entertaining :nod

I think it's gonna su** pretty hard, if Saikou does a second series, regardless with whom.

Anyway, haven't you finished your transaltion? You said, you'd do it today.

Oh yeah, i forgot... i promised, not to... well you know what.... well... i kinda... broke it just know, eh? :sweat

saladesu

April 15, 2011, 10:12 AM

Which is why I hope it doesn't happen. Shuujin has had his chance to work with someone else (Shiratori on Rabuta) and Saikou has also had his chance to "spread his wings on his own" by doing that romance one-shot, even if Shuujin did end up giving him some input. Nonetheless, even if it wasn't for another series, if Nakai became an assistant to Ashirogi, he would be an asset because regardless of all the other bad things you can say about him, he is a talented artist.

I don't recall telling you or anyone I was translating anything today :blink If you meant the spoilers, akoftroy has done them already so no need for me to repeat. Raws are not even out for the real chapter for me to translate off...

alphabeta

April 15, 2011, 10:17 AM

If someone doesn't get to it before me, I'll post a translation tomorrow (/me is tired and has other stuff to take care of) :)

I thought you meant the chapter back then :sweat

BTW, i'm not spamming right now, or? ... :worrybunny

Reclaimer

April 15, 2011, 04:24 PM

Could be Nakai the one to open the door to Mashiro's second manga series in Jump?
If that was to happen, it likely would have happened back during the Romance one-shot competition ark. Redeeming him as a character would have been relatively easy at that point. (He did one stupid thing that was more pathetic than evil.)

Now? It would take a lot more work, and is debatable whether it is even possible. And if the author tries it and it doesn't work...

Shamy

April 15, 2011, 04:47 PM

Bakuman 128 (http://mangahead.com/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bakuman/Bakuman-128-Raw-Scan) Chinese scan online at mangahead

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/6381/81686260.jpg

Knifeshade

April 15, 2011, 06:44 PM

It seems Nakai is slowly being set up to walk the path of redemption. It was an okay chapter if only because of the Hiramaru vs Nakai showdown. Maybe Hiramaru will talk some sense into Nakai in the next chapter, Fukuda has pretty much given up on him. But even if that happened, apparently Shuiesha pretty much wants nothing to do with him anymore soooo he's gonna have to do something amazing if he wants to be a mangaka again.

And it took me forever to realize "most awesome" is Mashiro's nickname, Saikou. I was wondering why some of Shujin's sentences didn't make sense.

yugito

April 15, 2011, 08:07 PM

As much as I want Nakai to turn things around, he's pretty much finished. Seeing Aoki and Hiramura dating has pretty crushed the poor guy and now Nakai has to be a fucking slob in front of Aoki once again? I can't stand watching this torment anymore. If Hiramura delivers the final strike, Nakai will definately be finished and it's way too heavy of a painful burden he will endure which I doubt he can. He will resort to committing suicide.

Tias

April 15, 2011, 08:11 PM

LoL wat?
Nakai, being set up for repemption?
Dude, just as people think he can't get any more low than he already is, he goes and proofs he can sink much lower. Chosing to rather go with some random chick to "have fun" than accept Fukuda's offer. And then it turns out they just messed around with him. He's so desperate.

Hiramura is not there to talk sense into nakai, or i doubt so.
Would be nice with some translation to know what exactly Hiramura said on the last page. But i think more like here is there to "protect" Aoki from Nakai's "Harrasment"

Sure, Nakai is a talented artist, but just because he is so does not mean he will be a good guy again.
But considering the nature of this manga i bet it's gonna end up with a happy ending for every single characyer = /

But still, Nakai, i think he had his chance for redemption when he was introduced back into the story, but then he ends up stuffing himself with pizza every single day and only caring about how to prolong his life style and other things.

yugito

April 15, 2011, 08:33 PM

Knifeshade

April 15, 2011, 09:01 PM

Aoki was currently on the phone with Hiramaru when Nakai suddenly appeared at Aoki's door shouting "GET YOUR ASS DOWN HERE, WOMAN", she says "Nakai-san?" to which Hiramaru heard on the other phone, and a few panels later Hiramaru's all like 'STALL HIM A BIT, I'M ON MY WAY THERE TO PROTECT YOU" (so Aoki's like "Um I just got out of the shower so could you wait a bit?" which is why we have that weird panel of Nakai licking the intercom?).

The last page basically consists of Hiramaru asking what Nakai is doing while leaping out of the car, Nakai says Aoki said she was going to come out but even she lied to him and threatens her, and Hiramaru's saying he won't let him harm her and stuff. It's cringeworthy dialogue but it's funny at the same time with those poses. XD

LoL wat?
Nakai, being set up for repemption?
Dude, just as people think he can't get any more low than he already is, he goes and proofs he can sink much lower. Chosing to rather go with some random chick to "have fun" than accept Fukuda's offer. And then it turns out they just messed around with him. He's so desperate.
If the authors wanted Nakai to disappear, they already did a good job last time. If the authors wanted to ridicule Nakai, they already did a good job last time. Bringing him back just to see him like this is a waste of time if nothing good comes out of it. Like him redeeming himself or something. Fukuda has basically given up on him after he saw him walk off with the chick. So it's up to Aoki and Hiramaru in this weird situation to snap him out of his current state and tell him to accept reality.

Notoriety

April 16, 2011, 02:43 AM

it's way too heavy of a painful burden he will endure which I doubt he can. He will resort to committing suicide.

Don't forget that these are manga characters, not real people. If the author wants them to redeem themselves, they will redeem themselves. For me, it would not be surprising if he did so.

saladesu

April 16, 2011, 06:04 AM

Bakuman 128 Translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/29265)

I think that since Fukuda is a nice guy deep down, though it looks like he has given up on Nakai, he will still take Nakai in. Ohba-sensei effectively killed the prediction that Nakai might work for Ashirogi by bringing up the fact that Ashirogi have Katou working for them. Ashirogi aren't the kind who would sack Katou to bring Nakai on board, imo, even if Nakai is the more talented of the two. I would really like to see Nakai redeem himself. I think this next arc will be solely focused on that. I expect all or at least most of Team Fukuda to be involved, as well as possibly Nanamine. And maybe, in some way or another, Nanamine will be able to redeem himself as well :)

Knifeshade

April 16, 2011, 06:21 AM

Ahhh~ so it's Shuiesha's authors not Shuiesha itself, I missed out two characters while reading that bubble in the Chinese scan. XD

Reclaimer

April 16, 2011, 03:23 PM

Ahhh~ so it's Shuiesha's authors not Shuiesha itself, I missed out two characters while reading that bubble in the Chinese scan. XD
I'm pretty sure Shuiesha doesn't care if an author or assistant is a creepy perv unless they happen to bring bad publicity to the company through, I don't know, being arrested for violating child prostitution laws. (e.g. Mitsutoshi Shimabukuro, the author on whom Niizuma Eiji is based)

alphabeta

April 16, 2011, 04:43 PM

Chapter is out at Mangareader

Bakuman 128 (http://www.mangareader.net/bakuman/128)

Now, go and thank my post :3c

P.S. As some of you have noticed, i'm doing reviews, of Bakuman chapters, and some of you boys and girls are looking forward to my reviews (i hope :sweat). In regarding to this, i want to tell you about a rule i invented. Rule Nr. 72

NoReviewBefore72HoursPassSinceTheChapterHasBeenReleased ----> NRB72HPSTCHBR, or for short Nr. 72

Monocle21

April 16, 2011, 04:58 PM

chapter was okay... until last page then it became EPIC CHAPTER!

meepers4982

April 16, 2011, 05:16 PM

i just really dislike the character nakai is and while i do feel bad for him i feel more sorry for ashirogi, fukuda, and aoki because they are genuinely trying to help him but he keeps refusing and because of that they feel sort of guilty i guess? i hope hiramaru talks some sense into him even tho i dont like him (nakai)

Reclaimer

April 16, 2011, 05:19 PM

After his incident with Aoki-kun, how he quit working for Takahama-kun without notice, and this time, the problems with Nanamine-kun...
I rejected him outright and said that I didn't want him involved with Shueisha's authors anymore

1) Other than being pathetic, there was absolutely nothing wrong with his proposition with Aoki.
2) Takahama's series was being cancelled. Expecting someone to give notice when they are going to lose their job anyway for reasons completely unrelated to them is absurd.
3) What exactly were his problems with Nanamine? Screwing up his internet group?

Would I put him in a position of responsibility? Probably not. Would I hire him to help draw? Absolutely. He is more than talented enough to put up with a few issues.

Asahina

April 16, 2011, 05:38 PM

This chapter was hilarious! It's funny how the girls tricked and made fun of him like that...
It was cruel...and mean...but I laughed so hard when he ran out from the door and tripped to the floor...

I wonder how safe those girls were from doing that. Let's say Nakai had a gun, then those girls would be at his mercy. I just don't think what they did was wise...

Man, how does OHBA Tsugumi come up with these things?

akoftroy

April 16, 2011, 06:00 PM

I wonder how safe those girls were from doing that. Let's say Nakai had a gun, then those girls would be at his mercy. I just don't think what they did was wise...

While what the girls did was really, really stupid and pointless... Nakai having a gun is not something they need to worry about, this ain't America.

Googlez_kun

April 16, 2011, 06:03 PM

I....kinda felt pity for Nakai there.I mean,he's hit rock-bottom and i don't mind that at all(because he's a f*cking asshole) if it wouldn't be for the fact that this feels like pure Hiramaru fanservice.Don't get me wrong,i love how Hiramaru literally jumped in to protect Ko,but it somehow felt as if Ohba forced this even in order to get Hiramaru some more screentime as a result of his popularity.
I hope we will get a result after this "fight" like a serious relationship between Ko and Hiramaru.

Best part of the chapter was the art i guess.I simply hate Nakai,but Obata seems to love him(art-wise) and i love that too.

Asahina

April 16, 2011, 06:39 PM

While what the girls did was really, really stupid and pointless... Nakai having a gun is not something they need to worry about, this ain't America.Having a weapon in general. Let's say Nakai was aggressively pissed, and brought out some kind of knife or stun-gun and said stuff like, "if you let me play with your 'goodies' for a little while, then I'll forgive you...hehehe" and had a perverted face and everything. Those girls would really have it bad.

jorped

April 16, 2011, 06:43 PM

Nice chapter! Much better than the all Nanamine's arc!

Next chapter will be great :XD

fizban

April 16, 2011, 06:52 PM

Having a weapon in general. Let's say Nakai was aggressively pissed, and brought out some kind of knife or stun-gun and said stuff like, "if you let me play with your 'goodies' for a little while, then I'll forgive you...hehehe" and had a perverted face and everything. Those girls would really have it bad.

That's a scary thought. I don't even think he would have needed a weapon, since he probably weighed more than all three of the girls combined.

I keep reading these chapters and hoping Nakai has finally hit rock bottom. You know, so he can take a good look at what has happened to his life and actually make a change for the better. But then he goes and gets super drunk and starts threatening Aoki. At least Hiramaru got to look cool as he leapt in the doorway to protect the woman he loves.

Is it wrong that I'm proud of Aida? There've been a lot of problem people trying to work for Jump in Bakuman, and he finally stepped up and cut ties with one of them. I bet he'd give Nakai another chance if he proved he could get his life back on track. Stop eating himself to death, harassing women more than half his age, throwing tantrums when they reject him, etc.

Eiji re-used the Bleach joke. Or, since it is Bleach, he just drew it out for another year and expected people to still find it interesting. I was surprised he thought it might be able to beat Crow in the near future. He has gushed over series before, but usually when he feels like one is competition he buckles down and declares that he isn't going to lose. Like when he did the entire chapter of Crow with no dialogue to show that he can destroy them with just his artwork.

Arai's absence at the new years party was a heavy blow for me. He's my favorite of the people who get cancelled every time ;-;

I hope we get a new series out of somebody soon. Every time we go more than 10 chapters without actually seeing some manga I get withdrawal symptoms.

Bowser

April 16, 2011, 07:49 PM

There are various scenes that just make some characters look cool. Niizuma Eiji, Koji Yoshida, Kazuya Hiramaru and Fukuda Shinta.

http://www.mangareader.net/bakuman/128/9 <- I love how he just sits there like that XD

yugito

April 16, 2011, 10:03 PM

you know, I used to love Nakai. The old epic Nakai we all used to love when he somewhat needlessly freeze himself to death to get a manga done. Is this something not even Hiramaru could do either.

Most likely that Hiramaru will beat him up to a pulp that will crush the poor guy. I once had a girl I love marrying off to someone else. That's why I kinda feel it for Nakai (Minus the slob part mind you) But that doesn't mean I'd attack the girl I love for it.

I like Nakai But now he turned into a real fucking slob by making Nakai threatening Aoki, the girl he once loved. Ohba please!! You already proved your point that attacking the person you once loved is useless, now leave the poor guy alone, please!!!! DX I can't watch this horror any longer.....

If he would return to doing manga, I would not be satisfied with him going through this without any sort of happy ending for him either. I know the path is not easy and there's alot of hardship but we all fucking knew that and don't want to be lectured by that.

Knifeshade

April 17, 2011, 12:16 AM

Arai's absence at the new years party was a heavy blow for me. He's my favorite of the people who get cancelled every time ;-;I think he's not coming back.

I have this strange eerie feeling that Bakuman will end when Shuiesha's entire lineup has been replaced with "the newer generation". That's what it means to "change Shonen Jump" as Fukuda puts it. Slowly but surely they're getting there. Fukuda is doing well, Eiji's and Iwase is still going strong, Takahama's making strides, Ashirogi Muto is getting praised, Aoki and Hiramaru are back with new series, newcomer Nanamine feels like deep down inside he too wants to change Shonen Jump, and I have no idea what's happened to Shiratori and Shizuka. And here we have chapters dedicated to Nakai as if he's coming back too or something.

luffyg2

April 17, 2011, 03:28 AM

Chapter is out.....So its 2016 uh... well i guess they did age quite a bit since the begining of the manga... anyway as for nakai that guy is such a looser hope he leaves and we dont see him again... but i think he<ll probably go back to drawing manga

natli

April 17, 2011, 05:58 AM

I thought Nakai hit the rock bottom but he started drilling!!! Licking the intercom?? Taking it out on hostesses? Where are his limits?

Koen

April 17, 2011, 06:39 AM

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April 17, 2011, 08:30 AM

Teeba

April 17, 2011, 09:04 AM

Wow, yugito said a lot of what I thought about this chapter. In a sense, Hiramaru and Nakai both have deep seated issues with work fullfillment. Nakai wants to be a mangaka for the praise, hoping it'll boost his self-esteem, and Hiramaru hates drawing manga but has bitterly accepted that it pays the bills and then some.

The difference is that, Hiramaru has channeled his despair and negativity into his comics, and ulitizes even his weaknesses as a strength. Nakai doesn't do that, he just despairs and angsts, LOL. So, I also predict that maybe Hiramaru will be the one to knock sense into Nakai. And maybe their bonding with help Nakai finally shed some of his emotional baggage. Yeah.

Every time we go more than 10 chapters without actually seeing some manga I get withdrawal symptoms.

Same, I really enjoy it when we actually see the manga they are writing, etc. While I thoroughly enjoy the slice of life, I also enjoy the meta conversations on writing and creating successful manga. xD Like now that PCP has become more popular....does that mean the arcs have gotten longer? How do you carry out the perfect "crime" that spans months in real life that doesn't endanger the plot of becoming too "criminal" for kids to read? There's so much left for Obha and Obata to explore~ Or they could explain the wonderful relationship between fujoshi fans and shonen manga. XD

saladesu

April 17, 2011, 10:18 AM

1) Other than being pathetic, there was absolutely nothing wrong with his proposition with Aoki.

Nothing wrong? I thought it was pretty indecent (not sure if that's the right word) of him to demand that she become his girlfriend if he drew for her. It was also pathetic, as you said. I think the point is that Aida (and Shueisha on the whole) would not want an author/assistant who would make such propositions to their female authors.

3) What exactly were his problems with Nanamine? Screwing up his internet group?

I don't think it was so much HIS problems with Nanamine but THE problems with Nanamine. Sorry if the translation did not make this clear. Unfortunately it would appear that Nakai got lumped in with Nanamine, somewhat like an accomplice, I suppose. Perhaps Aida was not aware of his lack of knowledge of what was going on and assumed Nakai was privy to how Nanamine was doing things.

Would I put him in a position of responsibility? Probably not. Would I hire him to help draw? Absolutely. He is more than talented enough to put up with a few issues.

I agree, but I can also understand why Shueisha would be wary of him especially because of the incident with Aoki, and additionally so if they were aware of how he was hitting on all the other female assistants etc as well. He's a really good artist, but it would do Shueisha no good if all the other female assistants and even female mangaka were scared away.

I like Nakai But now he turned into a real fucking slob by making Nakai threatening Aoki, the girl he once loved. Ohba please!! You already proved your point that attacking the person you once loved is useless, now leave the poor guy alone, please!!!! DX I can't watch this horror any longer.....

Well, he was drunk :sweat

Kibate

April 17, 2011, 11:01 AM

Well, he was drunk :sweat

Not an excuse though
I don't want this to go into a "Pro/Contro drinking" debate, but he choosed to drink himself drunk, any action, no matter how stupid or low or evil they might be, are results of his own decisions.

(i'm sorry, i such hate it when people get away with stuff just because they happen to be drunk at that time. ("Oh, i'm sorry i killed my wife, i was drunk!" "That's okay, you are free to go then. That person over there who stick gum on a public bench have to go to 10 years of prison though"))

Reclaimer

April 17, 2011, 01:27 PM

Let's not forget Hiramaru is pretty the same as Nakai, just not as sloppy and egotistical as Nakai. Hiramaru loving Aoki and would protect her is pretty cool and all, but imagine she's not there, Hiramaru would not even want to carry on being a manga artist. He actually hated it. He couldn't encourage himself to get back on his feet on his own. He has to rely on his editor to blackmail him all the time LOL

But despite Nakai's friends trying to help him, he's not like Hiramaru being pampered with encouraging words by his side all the time, he was pretty much alone back then when he uses all his guts to draw manga in winter storm to regain Aoki's respect. Ok, unrealistic and stupid but I thought it's pretty sweet and relavant. Now I'm pretty sad that Nakai have sunk that low.
The Nakai/Hiramaru comparison is interesting. The question being, if Hiramaru was not a source of comic relief, would we the readers view them in the same light.

I can't give you anything but my opinion, but I think not. We'd obviously think less of him, but still not as little as Nakai. The reason is Hiramaru's complaint is almost universal and not pathetic: almost no one WANTS to have to work.

Nakai, on the other hand, has committed the eternal sin of being a pathetic, fat, slob. The laziness permeating into all facets of life, including physical health, is an essential difference.

Nothing wrong? I thought it was pretty indecent (not sure if that's the right word) of him to demand that she become his girlfriend if he drew for her. It was also pathetic, as you said. I think the point is that Aida (and Shueisha on the whole) would not want an author/assistant who would make such propositions to their female authors.
I'd say it is no worse than a girl ignoring the fact that a guy has a massive crush on her while asking him to do her a massive favor.

sakura_fai

April 17, 2011, 07:17 PM

I wouldn't put Hiramaru on the same lvl as Nakai. At least Hiramaru works, even if it's for the sake of Aoki, and everyone is lazy and needs a motivation to work, but Hiramaru doesn't go around picking up chicks like 1/2 or less his age, eats himself to 200 lbs, and causes so many problems just cause he wants a wife. Hiramaru is a guy, so he doesn't do things for love but more for Aoki's appearance, but he isn't as pathetic and act on his lust as much as Nakai. (Guy failed at picking up a chick, got in trouble with yakuza, beaten up AND crawls back to his "crush"; if Aoki wasn't pretty, would he care? hell no)
When Nakai was back to working diligently to create manga, and doing his best, i respected and was rooting for him, but now? his friends are trying to get him back on his feet, out of his pathetic "mid-life crisis" and back on a respectable track. What does Nakai do? Ignore them and follow a girl that he should KNOW isn't into him like that. The only person i feel pity for is Mashiro and Fukuda for actually caring and failing.

Anyways, HOORAY FOR EIJI'S APPEARANCE!! Haven't seen him for so long! Plus Fukuda is back and so's the group, it's been a while seeing the group in action. XD and Nanamine's actually working on manga. :3 Now that he's gotten his goal back, maybe he'll have a better role? Either ways, looking forward to Hiramaru VS Nakai. next week

yugito

April 17, 2011, 07:32 PM

The Nakai/Hiramaru comparison is interesting. The question being, if Hiramaru was not a source of comic relief, would we the readers view them in the same light.

I can't give you anything but my opinion, but I think not. We'd obviously think less of him, but still not as little as Nakai. The reason is Hiramaru's complaint is almost universal and not pathetic: almost no one WANTS to have to work.

Nakai, on the other hand, has committed the eternal sin of being a pathetic, fat, slob. The laziness permeating into all facets of life, including physical health, is an essential difference.

I'd say it is no worse than a girl ignoring the fact that a guy has a massive crush on her while asking him to do her a massive favor.

I agree. Obviously this kind of comparison is no longer any relavant at all now that Nakai is a total slob. As I said earlier, Nakai did something really amazing back in the old days that he had to rely on himself to earn it and Hiramaru were tempted to be lazy a few times and were pampered with words of encouragement (Well, more like blackmailing LOL), although he is tired I guess. But yea, I'm sure all of you are not interested of reading a preachy manga. It's starting to show. If Nakai really did end up being a total slob and end like a total slob, that will be the last chapter I'll read. Yes, yes I know you don't care but I'm sure you'd agree this is starting to be too preachy.

Sakura_Fai, have you actually seen how very little motivated Hiramaru actually were before he became awesome? I think he still has motivational issues still. Gawd, lost track of how many times Hiramaru actually bitched LOL But yea I am angry of Nakai for doing something he sunk himself so damn low, yet I don't want to hate him. Fer gawd sake Nakai there's still hope for ya! Turn back!!!!! If you continue to be a total cunt, I swear!

There's another thing I don't want to see in the future chapters. I have a feeling that if Nakai does get a wife, it will be a fat ugly slob like him. If that happen that tells me Ohba is insulting fat people.

Tias

April 17, 2011, 07:32 PM

The Nakai/Hiramaru comparison is interesting. The question being, if Hiramaru was not a source of comic relief, would we the readers view them in the same light.

I can't give you anything but my opinion, but I think not. We'd obviously think less of him, but still not as little as Nakai. The reason is Hiramaru's complaint is almost universal and not pathetic: almost no one WANTS to have to work.

Nakai, on the other hand, has committed the eternal sin of being a pathetic, fat, slob. The laziness permeating into all facets of life, including physical health, is an essential difference.

I'd say it is no worse than a girl ignoring the fact that a guy has a massive crush on her while asking him to do her a massive favor.

Well thing is Nakai, from the VERY start only did this for the popularity/girls/Aoki or whatever.
Before we coulds have chopped it up to that he did it cause of a crush on Aoki, but now it's just so damn pathetic = /

As for Hiramura, sure, he complains a lot, and is is good for comic relief. But he didn't start drawing manga for the sake of impressing girls or anything.
He had a different job before ( desk job if i remember right ) which he couldn't bare doing any longer, so he quit it, and then just randomly picks up drawing manga.

He just needs constant motivation.
I mean sure, he complains about everything, but he pretty much USES his negative view on things for his work.
I mean when he got happy, it went downwards for him.

Nakai? he....urgh, don't even want to talk about him.
Really, i mean, how the heck...HOW the fuck could he REJECT Fukuda's OFFER. He chose to go with a RANDOM girl because of his pathetic lust, over actually accepting Fukuda's offer which could have helped him get his life back.
Seriously, would ANY of you have done what Nakai did?
And don't come with "if i was desperate" lines. Anyone with a brain would have taken the offer, it's seriously just so butt numbingly ridicules.
Just when you think Nakai hits rock bottom he sinks lower.
And i'm afraid to say he has hit rock bottom again, cause then he'll just sink even lower than he already is = /

sakura_fai

April 17, 2011, 07:46 PM

Sakura_Fai, have you actually seen how very little motivated Hiramaru actually were before he became awesome? I think he still has motivational issues still. Gawd, lost track of how many times Hiramaru actually bitched LOL But yea I am angry of Nakai for doing something he sunk himself so damn low, yet I don't want to hate him. Fer gawd sake Nakai there's still hope for ya! Turn back!!!!! If you continue to be a total cunt, I swear!

There's another thing I don't want to see in the future chapters. I have a feeling that if Nakai does get a wife, it will be a fat ugly slob like him. If that happen that tells me Ohba is insulting fat people.

Nah....you never know, Ohba might pull the "the unappealing guy gets the hot girlfriend" it happens alot. ;)
And true...Hiramaru wasn't motivated, but he still worked and didn't drink all the time?
As for Nakai, I don't know whether there's hope for him...unless he curbs his annoying habit of picking up younger girls, (MAYBE). He should focus more on getting a constant job and salary before worrying about girls. Sigh...it'll be cool to get the old Nakai back though. :'o the one that actually worked

That aside, Hiramaru's pose on the last page looks like something Eiji will draw for Crow.. XD

natli

April 18, 2011, 03:23 AM

@ yugito

I agree that Hiramaru and Nakai are very similar characters. They both draw manga for the sake of sth else and they have motivation problems. They also both like Aoki for her face. Though I hope that will change for Hiramaru.

The difference is Hiramaru is very innocent and he doesn't take his frustration out on innocent bystanders. If the world would turn on him he would quietly sit the rest of his life in his apartment.

saladesu

April 18, 2011, 03:39 AM

Just a note that I started a Nakai vs Hiramaru thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69458), so please continue the Nakai vs Hiramaru discussion over there :amuse

Reclaimer

April 18, 2011, 04:23 PM

He didn't just beg for Yuriko to become his girlfriend: Either she'll become his girlfried or he won't work with her on Green Leaves. That is no "proposition" but blunt extortion - and he deserved that it backfired on him.
Thats not even slightly extortion. Not. Even. Slightly.

projectnoa

April 18, 2011, 04:43 PM

Nefnora

April 20, 2011, 03:18 AM

I honestly don't believe there is any possible way for Nakai to redeem himself. Even if they try, which i believe the authors will, it would look fake and forced. such characters in real life only could redeem themselves with years of work and help, and even so, the personality cannot change from black to white in a few days. I really wonder where are the authors directing this Nakai sinking mini ark.

Even if Nakai gets a change of heart or a magical second chance, if I were him y would be just to dam embarrassed to face everyone, mostly Aoki and mad at myself for being too f*^$% stupid and retarded. So unless the authors are willing to reintroduce the old half decent Nakai after this upcoming change (again, its just not real to change him completely to good guy) that now nobody will like or they will just bash him to the most deep place on earth and remove him just to probe people can just not be saved.

Think about it, even if is just manga, is just not realistic to save him :S

And yet that's exactly what happened to Nanamine. It's corny but yeah, Nakai will probably do a 180 turn at some point. To be honest, it can't come soon enough for me. I hate the way character 'Nakai' is abused and cramped into the role of 'ebil guy'. But sure, why not? We've got this old fat looser dude, so lets make him into the most despicable character ever! I mean, he's old... fat... and a looser... right? Fits like a glove!

Meh... the arc disappointed me so much I don't even have the energy to write a rant about it :mad.

projectnoa

April 20, 2011, 09:34 AM

And yet that's exactly what happened to Nanamine. It's corny but yeah, Nakai will probably do a 180 turn at some point. To be honest, it can't come soon enough for me. I hate the way character 'Nakai' is abused and cramped into the role of 'ebil guy'. But sure, why not? We've got this old fat looser dude, so lets make him into the most despicable character ever! I mean, he's old... fat... and a looser... right? Fits like a glove!

Meh... the arc disappointed me so much I don't even have the energy to write a rant about it :mad.

Well actually is not that Nanamine changed, he just realized that his method has not the right way. that doesn't mean he es either good or bad anymore. He's just Nanamine with a new method.

Is funny how many people seems to dislike this arc because of Nakai behavior. Maybe some people identify themselves at some level with this character, as I did. I hope there's a really good, and I mean REALLY GOOD explanation for drowning a character that was promising in the beginning. I want to know how this will affect everyones life and work.

saladesu

April 20, 2011, 09:53 AM

Nanamine was vilified for his drastically different methods. It's debatable whether it was really an outright bad method (debated here on MH as well week after week), but he was definitely the "villain" for trying to fight Ashirogi/PCP with that method of his. I imagine that he will still reappear later on, most likely with much less focus on him, and now he'll be a "rival".

Ohba's portrayal of Nakai was probably one of the things I disliked most about this arc. I think Nanamine was also pretty wasted a character, and this arc ended up preachy as many people complained before.

By the way, you can discuss the topics of story arcs in this new thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69499) :amuse

yugito

April 21, 2011, 01:09 PM

Ohba's portrayal of Nakai was probably one of the things I disliked most about this arc. I think Nanamine was also pretty wasted a character, and this arc ended up preachy as many people complained before.

[/URL] :amuse

Thank you! Now this guy also agrees. I'm actually starting to suspect that Ohba is really doesn't know what he preaches.

http://www.mangareader.net/219-57518-15/bakuman/chapter-101.html Chap 101

"Readers don't want to be preached at."

HELLO, OHBA!!! We're fucking readers too!! We all know that lazy people have no future and what our life is like. Well of course I am not as low as Nakai but hearing this recent chapter isn't making any easier so cut the bull crap already jackass LOL.

This is really about their code of society in Japan crap really cause if they turn 30 and no job, japanese commit suicide. That's fucking why this latest chapter is so damn preachy.

akoftroy

April 21, 2011, 01:34 PM

New couple is born! Nakai x Hiramaru! They slept in the same bed...

LoS

April 22, 2011, 04:45 AM

Since you were all complaining

:p

Verification: confirmed
Source: Mangahideout
Credits: Luffy-Kun

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7373/bak1j.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1158/bak2v.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/i/bak3.jpg/

SHINOBI-03

April 22, 2011, 05:12 AM

What the... for a moment I though Hiramaru was butt-naked in the first picture O.O!! But then realized he is wearing a Bruce Lee-esque tights *whew*.

Zehahaha

April 22, 2011, 08:18 AM

If by some chance, Nakai & Aoi end up together, I'd hate it. I don't want to sound mean but Hiramaru deserves Aoi more than Nakai...

Tias

April 22, 2011, 08:38 AM

i can't believe the direction this is going = /
All the shit he's done, over and over.
If it ends with Nakai x Aoi i'm going to be majorly disappointed, and i don't think it's the only one.

I mean that ship aside, all the crap he's done.
In real life, i honestly doubt anyone could be forgiven so easely just by crying =A=

And i certainly don't want to see Nakai and Hiramaru fight for Aoki for too long.
I don't want this to end up in some weird 3 way romance where 2 guys fight for the love of one girl. I just don't want to eve nsee nakai anymore = /

saladesu

April 22, 2011, 09:20 AM

Some things I'd like to address - first off, if you've seen spoilers on other sites but not on MH, instead of only coming into the spoiler thread to share your feelings on the spoilers, it would be nice if you could also share the spoilers with all of us so we can see them too and know what you're talking about :)

Secondly, please refrain from posting one-liner comments. Not all one-liners are spam, but the vast majority are, and rarely add to the discussion very much if at all.

Thank you :amuse

yugito

April 22, 2011, 10:58 AM

I doubt it at this point guys. Seeing this now I suspect Nakai and Hiramaru are both eternally competing for love and the manga will end just that. But I never suspect that Hiramaru would even let Nakai live in the same roof for now LOL

I don't know about you guys but from the looks of things Nakai seem to admitting his wrong doing and rather not get violent.....I think?

That's more than enough for me.

Actually I kind of like this turn of event. Before this it makes me think Laurel and Hardy XD.

97gsxminus1bolt

April 22, 2011, 01:02 PM

To me it looks like nakai is apologizing for being a jerk. And hiramaru just plain feels sorry for him. Hiramaru is being the bigger guy here and helping nakai. If nakai ends up still going for aoki then he is horrible. Nakai needs to find a older female anyway since he is like 40.

saladesu

April 22, 2011, 01:45 PM

Bakuman 129 english translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/29357)

Not sure what to say about this chapter. Maybe I'll have something better to say tomorrow later today... Meanwhile, enjoy :)

Tias

April 22, 2011, 02:29 PM

Hmmm, So Hiramaru let's Nakai crash at his place until Nakai finds his own place. And also hires him as his assistant.

I liked the fact that Nakai actually accepts that Hiramaru is the one who is "dating" Aoki.
I don't want to see any lame competing between those two, but that Nakai accepted the things as they were....he get's + points for that if you ask me.

97gsxminus1bolt

April 23, 2011, 02:54 AM

WOW Hiramaru is fing awesome. He got his ass kicked but no matter what he wouldn't back down. Awesome so garrrrr. Nakai is still trash though.

SHINOBI-03

April 23, 2011, 03:00 AM

Out by IES: http://www.mediafire.com/?uxeuhgfuj031t2b

saladesu

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Knifeshade

April 23, 2011, 03:53 AM

I laughed so hard towards the end when Hiramaru's all like "NAKAI COULD BE MY DESTINY. WHAT IF I BECOME A PATHETIC BASTARD LIKE YOU ONE DAY?!?!? I CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN!". It's like he's being empathic but also insulting at the same time. XD

Other than that, it looked like the typical make-up chapter like I imagined it would be.

I predict the next chapter will touch on Ashirogi Muto's class reunion. Maybe they'll meet somebody who gives them an idea for their next series. Or they meet somebody who is also doing a manga series and a potential new challenger appears.

Or it'll just focus on how the whole Nakai/Hiramaru thing is working out. But I'm kinda tired of seeing them after being in the limelight for so long, esp. Nakai. =/

natli

April 23, 2011, 04:32 AM

Yep, they're the same, except for the fact that Aoki actually likes Hiramaru.

I'm trying to imagine how the Hiramaru/his editor/Nakai combo is going to work together. But my mind refuses to handle this task.

Also, pandas?!

Newkerzy

April 23, 2011, 05:11 AM

I ROFL'ed at this chapter.:XD Definitely by far the most epic chapter of Bakuman!! and for once it had a "battle" in it. Which just makes it even more awesome

jorped

April 23, 2011, 06:01 AM

:wtf

This chapter was so epic ! :zomg

I though i wouldn't like this chapter that much, but this is the kinda of chapters that make Bakuman a very awesome manga :XD

I risk to say that this chapter for me was even better than Naruto's and One Piece's chapter :zomg !

This is something that doesn't happen so many times , but i think that Bakuman totally deserves it !
Hiramaru and even Nakai were truly awesome !:zomg

http://i56.tinypic.com/33oglfm.png

this was so damm epic :zomg
Hiramaru speech was priceless :toc

And you guys think that something interesting is going to happen on the class reunion ?

Koen

April 23, 2011, 07:05 AM

Yeah same over here...

This chapter was hilarious because of the duel between hiramaru and nakai. I couldn't stop laughing when Hiramaru said that he understood Nakai's situation while it is a totally different situation :rofl and Shuujin, Mashiro and Fukuda were just standing speechless :XD Aoi showed some awesome guts when she asked Nakai to slap her in the face.

I wonder if this hiramaru and nakai chapter has some drawn ode to Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy. During some moments I was thinking about those two...

FrostyMouse

April 23, 2011, 07:28 AM

It was a fun chapter, and it could be Koen.

I'm sort of up in the air on whether Nakai should've gotten redemption, but seeing that Nanamine did, it only makes sense that Nakai does as well.

I still do want to see a bit more of Azuki. Kaya's talking children already, and Mashiro and Azuki haven't kissed.

saladesu

April 23, 2011, 07:39 AM

This chapter was pretty awesome. I laughed a lot as I was translating and I'm glad I was able to convey the funniness :XD

Also, I thought Hiramaru was naked on the first page <.< I was like, "wtf is going on in this chapter" until I saw he'd just taken off his jacket :p The pandas in Hiramaru's room were also really random. Shows what a nut Hiramaru is :XD

I definitely think the class reunion will be key to opening the new arc. They will probably realize something at the class reunion, something that will galvanize them or that will give them an idea for a new story in PCP, OR a new story altogether. Alternatively, they might meet someone they totally didn't expect at the class reunion, whom they never remembered was in their class.

And I agree, FrostyMouse, I also want to see more of Azuki. It's been ages since her last appearance. I can't even remember the last time she did :s

So, which chapter was more epic/hilarious - Hiramaru and Aoki (114) or this one? :amuse

kdowns

April 23, 2011, 11:25 AM

I usually don't get into Yaoi parings at all, but after this chapter NakaixHiramaru is rubbing off on me ;D.

Magnus

April 23, 2011, 11:51 AM

Perhaps this chapter contains the most epic, hilarious and WTF faces in the whole manga.

And remember when Hiramaru said that his favourite colour was yellow ? No wonder he has the famous Bruce Lee outfit.

Easily one of the best moments of Bakuman this year.

Evil Mind

April 23, 2011, 12:09 PM

Once again I see a chapter that kind of reflects the current manga idea that Shuujin and Mashiro are working on (ie the love story competition arc ends with a love story). This time we see what an Alternate Standard Battle (or whatever they where calling it a few chapters ago) manga may be like.

Over all I like this chapter, Nakai has hit rock bottom finally and is forced to take a handout from his biggest rival (at this time). I hope to see more fun chemistry between these two in future chapters.

sakura_fai

April 23, 2011, 10:32 PM

I just gotta say, the scene where Fukuda and Ashirogi Muto showed up, that was EPIC and Shujin's and Fukuda's commentaries. XD

But the chap was a mix of wtf, rofl, and awesomeness esp when Nakai and Hiramaru fought and became friends, bet no one saw that coming? xD Looking forward to more comical scenes from the duo.

Though, i wonder when Ashirogi Muto will get back to creating that new manga, seems like they're straying away from their goal...unless they're gonna use their life experiences and use it in their new manga?

meepers4982

April 24, 2011, 07:07 AM

mehh it was an okay chapter im not to happy about the fact that nakai did get redemption especially since he has become such a self-centered character, well lets see how it plays out...maybe he will change....anyways im we can progress in the manga and not focus on nakai for the next chapter (hopefully)

saladesu

April 24, 2011, 07:54 AM

Though, i wonder when Ashirogi Muto will get back to creating that new manga, seems like they're straying away from their goal...unless they're gonna use their life experiences and use it in their new manga?

Yeah, I get that feeling too. I hope they will somehow use their experiences later as some sort of basis for their new manga. If they don't... It'd kinda make these arcs sorta pointless :s I'm hoping the class reunion will be the trigger to galvanize them into working on something new or something.

mehh it was an okay chapter im not to happy about the fact that nakai did get redemption especially since he has become such a self-centered character, well lets see how it plays out...maybe he will change....anyways im we can progress in the manga and not focus on nakai for the next chapter (hopefully)

Interesting opinion :) Why are you upset about Nakai getting redemption? Just because he was a self-centered character? If so, then what kind of characters deserve redemption? Do you think Nanamine should have gotten redeemed, then?

(p.s. please don't see this as attacking or anything, I'm genuinely interested to know what you think :amuse)

Rosebullet Teacher

April 29, 2011, 06:16 PM

Saladesu props for the translation(mad props), this chapter was a double bacon GENIUS burger! Hiramaru, the don of this manga, bruised up in a Bruce Lee jumpsuit & flight goggles inspiring a guy by basically saying "Join me, cos I don't wanna suck as much as you"!! If you didn't feel this your heart she's drowning in the shapeless cynicism of reality! There's no way Shujin(creative bastard he is) can see this & not get a killer idea!

I would kill to see a poster with Nakai in the suit & shades he wore when he saw Aoki & Hiramaru pinky swearing, & Hiramaru in his "Full Power Mode" costume doing a flying kick or just back2back!!

Ohmywutang this chapter was great!

FuS

Len1k

May 01, 2011, 01:20 AM

spoiler pics
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Teeba

May 01, 2011, 07:09 AM

D'aww, Shujin stayed home to take care of Kaya! Looks like this chapter focuses on Saiko more, it looks like people recognized him in that shop?

Sounds like a cute chapter.

h3dvix

May 01, 2011, 07:57 AM

since one of the dude actually know him (he called him 'saiko' in one the panel) seems like some form of highschool reunion??

wonder if we get to see that fishlips jackass that shujin punched back in highschool

Kibate

May 01, 2011, 08:53 AM

Did you guys forgot that shujin and saiko were talking about a school reunion in one of the previous chapters?

dewkage

May 02, 2011, 02:23 AM

i wonder, if kaya is sick maybe she's pregnant. in a previous chapter Takagi wondered if it was time he had a kid
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since one of the dude actually know him (he called him 'saiko' in one the panel) seems like some form of highschool reunion??

wonder if we get to see that fishlips jackass that shujin punched back in highschool

it was stated that it was a elementary school reunion

Newkerzy

May 02, 2011, 04:44 AM

If Kaya's pregnant, I predict Shuujin having a bit of a breakdown and it'll turn into one of those "father-to-be" skits.

saladesu

May 02, 2011, 12:36 PM

I'm killing my eyes squinting at those images trying to figure out what on earth is going on (why you be so wordy, Bakuman? :<) but here's roughly what's going on (though the pictures already make it pretty obvious, lol.）

Verification: confirmed
Source: Manyou, MH
Credits: ???, saladesu

24th Jan, Sunday, the day of the class reunion
Saikou remembers Azuki's last line when they last met, that the next time they meet, they'd kiss
Kaya has a fever so Shuujin stays home although Kaya tries to insist that he goes
Saikou is recognized at the reunion, one guy says he was surprised that Saikou's the one behind PCP. They ask for his signature etc, he looks pretty surprised

I don't think Saikou expected ALL his classmates to know he was doing PCP/that he was one half of Ashirogi. Someone in the class must have found out and told everyone. I'm not really sure exactly how, but maybe this might be the event that causes the start of a new arc. It seems too odd that all the classmates know that he is Ashirogi. I mean, what's the point of a penname if everyone knows Ashirogi Muto = Takagi Akito + Mashiro Moritaka? :blink